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HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION SOUTHOLD TOWN APPLICATION FOR LISTING ON THE SOUTHOLD TOWN REGISTER OF DESIGNATED LANDMARKS , BUILDING-STRUCTURE INVENTORY FORM DATE: OWNER'S/SPONSOR'S NAME.-teOdorp— as Kxt�`Y"�t�cct ADDRESS: v-0® AArbbe CITY/STATE/ZIP � All PHONE: bit. 76�- ORGANIZATION (If any): IDENTIFICATION 1. Building Name (How commonly identified): ` oo 14 2. Address: O6 tiarOf t s �t 1• l 3. County: -s' eI K Town:1:�'6Ltfk a Village: u a 4. County Tax Map Number: Section:4T332L031 Block 00 i, Lot O 10 5. Ownership: a. Public b. �Private 6. Present Occupant: - ;, UICC 7. Use: Original: 9ftldLOW Present: F:�nslo��tl 8. Accessibility to Public: Exterior visible from public road: 1/Yes —No Interior accessible: (Explain, i.e. By appointment) n0 DESCRIPTION 1. Building Materials: a. _Shingles b. +Clapboards c. _Stone d. VBricks e. _Stucco f. _Board and Buten 2. Structural System: a. _Wood frame b. _Masonry load bearing walls c. _Metal d. _Other 3. Condition: a. Excellent b. LAood c. _Fair d. _Deteriorated 4. Integrity: a. t�On original site b. _Moved If so, when? c. List major alterations and dates, if known: RELATED OUTBUILDINGS AND PROPERTY a. _Barn b. —Carriage House c. _Garage d. T Privy e. _Shed f. _ Greenhouse g. a Shop h. - Gardens i. _Fence j. _ Landscape Features k. _Other (Explain): THREATS,TQ BUILDING a. None Known b. ,_Zoning c._ Roads d. _Developers e. —Deterioration f. _Other (Explain) t 2 OTHER NOTABLE FEATURES OF BUILDING AND SITE(Including iterior features if known;indicate if wilding or structure is in an historic district):rib-4-t, SZ ( AUVVf, IL end J). els W&I'1& Ort 'tvtaQ. Ak4401' A- CCY� SIGNIFICANCE 1. Date(s) of Initial Construction and Major Alterations if any: rl �* 01 hf",L. lads-r (',dUl* uckily� s c��ic�hrnn , OviviS 4(fm (°�ZS. �" - i'ei�idx�� 5(2�• 2. Arc itect: a off s t"4_1e. 3&10 S ��. � SOL �• 3. Builder: vUCE qe-. 4. Historical and Architec ural Impopance, i.e. famous'residents, special events took place, etc. A—)XI CA am W-11y) , LaAds�aa OWCA(`ecl 5. Is structure, place or site presently on any historic register that you know of? If so, which one(s) and on what date (s)? MISCELLANEOUS DATA In your estimation, why should this property be designated a Southold Town Landmark? -�-" s Bwaer UjP N L_4-t 40 AV,."— 0110.. sfu-4-ek2 &J UttW , tV� %ry O Q o LL) 5 C HoLrb6t' #fie 6 rt�iwu.F, V'_W 6 6ez., L cad. WRfe 'S 'otA• is o 1aa Sa�N� V`i✓wt�►�dQ�,- o� Hre. csficT-e-au _�x SOURCES OF INFORMATION(!ndlvidifals othe than owner/applicant, Maps, etc.): IqZ-7 U U 2l, ortgiApt fie- a S v !&9,1P cs Cp CgAVAI-- f�iZS „-1t�e,�rcL►i�..e1�" /�?au l q2 issue. � �as - 23 Attach photos of facades of building/structure/site visible from a public street as - well as of significant-interior features, i.e. fireplaces, mantles, stairs, etc. as appropriate. Attach Survey Map or Sketch of Location. AGREEMENT It is understood that by the filing of this application,and following the inspection and evaluation of the property recommended for landmark status, that you are requesting the services of the Southold Town Historic Preservation Commission to help you conserve, protect and preserve your historic property. Neither the Commission nor the Town has fiduciary responsibilities for any recommendations it might make to you to accomplish these conservation goals. The Commission's recommendations to you are not binding, but non-conformance with these recommendations could result in denial or revoca on of Southold Town landmark status. Signature(s)of Applicant(s):2�eki ti Date: �J� << d b Forward completed application with required attachments to Southold Towyn Historic Preservation Commission, Town Hall, P.O. Box 1179, Southold, IVY 11971 b APPLICATION FOR LISTING ON THE SOUTHOLD TOWN REGISTER OF DESIGNATED LANDMARKS TRANSMITTAUROUTING SHEETPOR BUILDING-STRUCTURE INVENTORY FORM (For Office Use Only) 1. Date Received: 2. Date Initially Reviewed by Commission: 3. Date,Scheduled for Inspection: 4. Date Inspected: 5. Inspection Team: 6. Comments of Inspection Team: 7. Recommendation: 8. Date of Final Review by Commission: 9. Action: ,Approved Denied 10. Date Submitted to Town Clerk for Official Notice 11. Date Applicant Notified:, 12. Date Plaque Presented at Meeting of Town Board: _ u FOR OFFICE USE ONLY BUILDING-STRUCTURE INVENTORY FORM ^ . UNIQUE SITE NO. DIVISION FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION QUAD NEW YORK STATE PARKS AND RECREATION SERIES SD 126 b ALBANY,NEW YORK (518)474-0479 NEG. NO. YOUR NAME: Town Of a Southold/SPLIA ` DATE>11Dpil 1987 YOUR ADDRESS, Town Ha114 Main, Road .-TELEPHONE: 16) 765-1892 Southold L.I. ; N.Y.11971 ORGANIZATION (if any): Southold Town Community Development Office IDENTIFICATION 1. BUILDING NAMES):, Coleman house / Jones 2. COUNTY: Suffolk ' TOWN/CITY: ,Southold VILLAGE:-Sou thold ' 3. STREET LOCATION. Harbor Lights 'Drive - 4. OWNERSHIP: a.,public ❑ h- private bd 5. PRESENT OWNER: Jones ADDRESS': same G. USE:: original: residence Present: residence. > ; 7. ACCESSIBILITY .TQ,_-PUBLIC Exterior visible from-public road: Yes ❑ No ❑ lnt6rior accessible. Explain - DESCRIPTION 8. BUILDING; a. clapboard Elb. stone El' c:brick-© d. board and batten ❑ MATERIAL: e. cobblestone ❑• f. shingles ❑ g. stucco ❑ other: 1). STRUCTURAL a. wood frame with interlocking joints ❑ - - SYSTE'M: b. wood'frame with `light members ❑ 01,kn(ve) c. ,masonry load bearing walls d'. metal '(explain) e. other slate. roof 10. CONDITION: ` `a.-excellebf R '-b:'g0'od ❑ c.'fafr ❑' •d. 'deteriorated ❑ ' I'1: INTEGRITY: -a.'original site'X- h. moved'El' if-so,wlien° c. list major alterations and dates (if known): ,SD• RSM_XXXII-17 �'� ' � - ' 12. PHOTO:Froin north west 13. MAP: N.Y.S. -DOT Southold Quad North .{facade): .and west_'elevation _ �l;evilon NORTHVIEw •. plf HOG °. � -y�{�Fy `fie\ Q \ J ,.� y.'•� -th ?i•�w�' ,p.jili9;� ,,ii,ryuFK.'ii''n`'ai,. �'RUi��,;'?'IN=g,.M_.,i:t,: :}:';•t:A `H:� n•r,:• - •t`rfi;; xo� , "R,"`i}',,^t�.�rA•}e t�;v._ �t 'gi':z' .Iz "`A:i'u3v.d, •1� ,`,Z'{L.:r;•i,7�,}F�_ v.r {, 1_J�.iY�k'l�+J'.1�'�tli.'7;c�rM. P,,.9._ 1NThh"ii't��.�ST'atlti.Fxi vv e.F w. },Awa�N���'. .;.'�.f.,x l..r, , ._.,...If, _,, e.,l'N..A.1•,t:t, t, .... ,. - . - is �"' rP .,.. '-a:0.' ,rf'•�'•T' ',J;. 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'�"•, �'�;;� -i"-3"`�'-.aa-k""`•a�ea�a-x-_-.�,� �. iY u£�-=Ye�.r '3.'Y' .��is�'^ 41-'•*+z+.•.J.t`b 'iy "..... .t ice. - ..,W il• 1 1 `11 1/1 � / 1 1 / 11. 1 1 1 1 1 1 1• 1 1 1 1. 226 THE ARCHITECT May, 1928 O WNER�S G.0 E.5T5 HED 0.oeM BED aooM 1 Q 90� a bD Mo0.NIKG 90NS SONS SERV NT5 0.00M DED 0.00 OLD 0.00M O p&D ROOM$ a THF— SECOND FLOOR. SCALE. F PEST _ _ ION Q \ POOL. -- 4D�� 3 , baKF sT , PO¢.cH , 7 DINING /�•^� • 0.00M PANTtY POQ.OM LIVING 4�• ¢LOOM SE2YICE MALL ENT KITCHEN Lla¢AMY THE FIR.37. Fl 02 __ , ... _ .... ..., . ._n •ti� 1 — ' _ a SCAT¢ O1MLLT ' \\\ • S O I T4 9� First and Second Floor'Flans,'Residence of Mr. John Burlinson Coleman, Southold, Long'Island Howard Stokes Patterson, Architect, New York 1l i i jr P � ( 1 yip.i;•i raY^�ylj,.. 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Coleman house on the town's register of Historic Landmarks; the house is located at SCTM 1000-71-2-10, 200 Harbor Lights Drive, Southold, New York . The property owners, Theodore and Kathryn Bucci, have requested and the Historic Preservation Commission has recommended the property for inclusion on the town's register. The file is available for review during regular business hours by contacting Damon Rallis at the Southold Town Building Department. If you have any questions,please do not hesitate to contact Damon Rallis at the Southold Town Building Department(631) 765-1802 or Damon.Rallis@town.southold.ny.us. I have a memorandum from the chair of the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission, James Grathwohl dated June 4. "On May 20, 2008 Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission voted to recommend that this property be placed on the Town's register of Historic Landmarks. Pursuant to chapter and section of the Southold Town code, please schedule a public hearing regarding the designation of this property. Once the hearing has been scheduled, please contact Damon Rallis in the Southold Town Building Department so he may inform commission members and the applicants." And I have the normal application procedure that the Landmark Preservation Commission uses and this house is rather grand home built almost 100 years ago in the Harbor Lights district. I have pictures of it and all of that. I have just a note here from the SPLIA, Society for the Preservation of Long Island Antiquities. John Berlinson Coleman's house was built on a part of his 100 acres. After he sold the property to the Fred and Harold Reeve, the acreage was subdivided for building other homes, that is Harbor Lights. Mr. Coleman's house is still standing and occupied by William Jones. The section were subdivision took place is called Harbor Lights, 1983. Coleman House Public Hearing 2 July 1, 2008 The architect was Howard Stokes Patterson and was mentioned in the architect magazine dated May of 1928. There follows some rather grand architectural features of this house. I have a reference here to having this public hearing being published in the Suffolk Times and also noticed on the Town Clerk's bulletin board. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Would anybody like to come up and address the Town Board on this hearing? BARBARA SCHNITZLER: I am Barbara Schnitzler, I am a Landmarks Preservation Commissioner. It is a pleasure to speak in support of the nomination. It is a wonderful house and it is because the property owners have decided to landmark it, we know it will stay that way. Any changes to the house can be made through the certificate of appropriateness process, so the house can change and grow with time if the owners decide to do that. Doug Constant is also here in support of it. He is a Landmarks Commissioner, too. Thank you. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you very much. Would anybody else like to come up and address the Town Board on this historic designation? (No response) Hearing none, let's close the hearing. This hearing was closed at 6:07 PM Cwt. Elizabeth A. Neville Southold Town Clerk SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD PUBLIC HEARING July 1, 2008 4:40 PM Present: Supervisor Scott Russell Justice Louisa Evans Councilman Thomas Wickham Councilman Albert Krupski Councilman William Ruland Councilman Vincent Orlando This public hearing was called to order at 5:16 PM COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County,New York, on the 3`d day of June, 2008 a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in relation to Regulations Governing Farm Stands" and NOTICE IS HEREBY FURTHER GIVEN that the Town Board of the Town of Southold will hold a public hearing on the aforesaid Local Law at the Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road, Southold,New York, on the 1St day of July,2008 at 4:40 p.m. at which time all interested persons will be given an opportunity to be heard. The proposed Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Regulations Governing Farm Stands"reads as follows: LOCAL LAW NO. OF 2008 A Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Regulations Governing Farm Stands". BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows: I. Chapter 135 of the code of the Town of Southold is hereby repealed in its entirety. II. A new Chapter 72 of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby adopted as follows: §72-1. Title. This law shall be known as the "Agricultural Uses Law" 472-2. Purpose. Regulation of agricultural uses in the Town of Southold is necessary to facilitate and encourage bona fide agricultural operations while providing for the health safety and welfare of the Town's residents and its visitors. Farm stands are an important part of the Town's agricultural base and character, and are increasingly vital to the viabili . of the Farm Stands Public Hearing 2 July 1, 2008 . agricultural industry in the Town. The first Chapter of this proposed Local Law governing agricultural uses will pertain to farm stands, and require, among other things, that they be part of active farming operations within the Town. &72-3. Statutory authorization. This local law is enacted pursuant to Section 10 of the Municipal Home Rule Law to promote the public health, safety and general welfare of Town citizens through land use regulations intended toovg ern agricultural uses within the entire Town. The variance provision of this local law shall supersede any inconsistent portions of the Town Law Section 267-a and govern the subject of variances in this local law. &72-4. Definitions. As used in this Chapter,the following terms shall have their meanings indicated: AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION- The production for sale of crops, livestock or livestock products which shall include but not be limited to: (a)field crops, including corn wheat, oats rye barley, hay, potatoes and dry beans; (b)fruits, including apples, peaches grapes cherries tomatoes and berries; (c)vegetables, including snap beans, cabbage carrots beets and onions-, (d)horticultural specialties, including nursery stock, ornamental shrubs ornamental trees and flowers; (e) livestock and livestock products, including cattle sheep hogs goats horses poultry,ratites, such as ostriches, emus,rheas and kiwis farmed deer, farmed buffalo, fur bearing animals, milk eggs and furs; (f) maple sap; (g) Christmas trees derived from a managed Christmas tree operation whether dug for transplanting or cut from the,stump• (h)aquaculture products, including fish, fish products water plants and shellfish; (i) woody biomass, which means short rotation woody crops raised for bioenergy, and shall include farm woodland. AGRICULTURAL USES - Activities devoted primarily to production, processing, marketing and sale of agricultural'and acquacultural commodities, including any and all agricultural horticultural vineyard products corn for grain oats soybeans barley, wheat poultry or poultry products bees maple syrup Christmas trees livestock including swine and honey, sold in the state either in their natural state or as processed by the producer thereof but does not included milk timber or timber products, other than Christmas trees, all hay=rye and legumes. ENCLOSED RETAIL SALES AREA - That portion of a farm stand's retail sales area which is protected from the elements on all sides by permanent exterior walls. FARM STAND -Any primary structure or portion of a structure greater than 80 square feet in area used for the purpose of retail sale of locally_produced agricultural product grown by the owner or lessor of the structure as well as the accessory sale of processed agricultural products, agriculture-related products and incidental accessory items. For the purposes of this Chapter, a farm stand shall be limited to structures operated by an applicant on a parcel with either: not less than seven acres of land used as a single operation in the preceding two years for the production or sale of crops, livestock or livestock products of an average gross sales value of ten thousand dollars or more; or, Farm Stands Public Hearing 3 July 1, 2008 land of seven acres or less used as a single operation in the preceding two years for the production or sale of crops livestock or livestock products of an average gross sales value of fifty thousand dollars or more. PROCESSED AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS - Agricultural product which has been converted from its original state into a distinct product by techniques such as cooking= distillation, fermentation crushing and straining. Examples of processed agricultural product include without limitation jams jellies cheeses potato chips, wine and other alcoholic beverages Simple washing cleaning, arrangement or packaging of agricultural product shall not cause the product to be considered "processed" under this definition RETAIL SALES AREA -Portions of a farm stand operation usually covered which are dedicated to the direct marketing and sale of farm stand products including_public rest rooms but excluding storage areas temporary display areas and other areas not accessible to the general public. ARTICLE I -FARM STANDS §72-5. Farm Stand Permit Required. A. No person shall erect place or operate a farm stand without the Building Department's issuance of a farm stand permit for the farm stand operation A farm stand permit shall be subject to revocation if the farm stand fails tooperate in compliance with the requirements set forth herein. B. The Building Department shall only issue a farm stand permit to a party engaged in bona fide agricultural production within the Town of Southold For the purposes of this Article "bona fide agricultural production" shall be limited to the operation, within the Town of Southold of either: not less than seven acres of land used as a single operation in the preceding two years for the production or sale of crops, livestock or livestock products of an average gross sales value of ten thousand dollars or more; or, land of seven acres or less used as a single operation in the preceding two years for the production or sale of crops, livestock or livestock products of an average gross sales value of fifty thousand dollars or more. C. A farm stand existing as of the date of adoption of this Article which does not meet the requirements of this Article shall be deemed to be a nonconforming building under the Zoning regulations of this Code Chapter 280 .Notwithstanding the contrary provisions of this Article a farm stand legally existing in the Town as of January 1 2008 shall be permitted to expand or enlarge the enclosed retail sales area of the farm stand operation by up to fifty percent cumulatively, of the enclosed retail sales area legally existing as of January 1 2008, subject to compliance with the parking requirements of this Article. 472-6. Farm Stand Permits Issued Without the Requirement of Site Plan Approval. A. A farm stand permit shall be issued to applicants meeting the following requirements and such farm stands shall not require site plan approval from the Planning Board, notwithstanding the provisions of Chapter 280, Article XXIV: (1) The farm stand is located on lands used in bona fide agricultural r Farm Stands Public Hearing 4 July 1, 2008 production by the owner or lessee of the property. (2) The enclosed retail sales area of the farm stand does not exceed 2,000 square feet, and the total retail sales area of the farm stand does not exceed 3000 square feet. (3) The permanent farm stand structure is set back at least fifty feet from the road. (4) The farm stand parcel provides at least four off-street parking_spaces, and also provides adequate space that may be used for unimproved on-site parking equivalent to one parking space for each 200 square feet of retail sales area. B. Farm stands that do not meet all of the criteria set forth in §72-6A, but meet at least the following shall be subject to the requirements of the Modified Agricultural Site Plan approval process as set forth at &72-10, notwithstanding the provisions of Chapter 280 Article XXIV if such farm stands meet at least the following: (1) The farm stand is located on lands used in bona fide agricultural production by the owner or lessee of the property. (2) The enclosed retail sales area of the farm stand does not exceed 3000 square feet and the total retail sales area of the farm stand does not exceed 4,000 square feet. (3) The permanent farm stand structure is set back at least fifty feet from the road. (4) The farm stand parcel provides at least four off-street parking spaces, and also provides adequate space that may be used for unimproved on-site parking equivalent to one parking space for each 200 square feet of retail sales area. C. Retail sales operations that do not meet the definition of a farm stand pursuant to this Chapter, as well as farm stands that do not meet either the requirements of$$ 72-6A or B shall be subject to the full site plan requirements of Chapter 280, Article XXIV as well as all other zoning and use restrictions of Chapter 280 or the Town Code. §72-7. Farm Stand ®fferinf4s. All farm stands shall conform to the following product offering restrictions: A At least sixty_percent of the gross dollar value of all items offered for sale at farm stands shall consist of agricultural productsrg_own by the farm stand operator within the Town of Southold. B No more than forty percent of the gross dollar value of all items offered for sale at a farm stand may consist of items manufactured or processed by the farm stand operator, or other items complementary to the farm stand operation including items grown, manufactured processed or packaged elsewhere and food, clothing or souvenir items accessory to the farm stand operation. &72-8. Maximum Size of Farm Stand. Farm Stands Public Dearing 5 July 1, 2008 In all cases, farm stands shall not exceed 4,000 square feet in enclosed retail sales area excluding storage areas, temporary display areas and areas inaccessible to theeg neral public. 472-9. [Reserved] 472-10. [Reserved] §72-11. Variance Procedures. Any farm stand that is found not to meet the requirements of this Article may appeal such decision or seek a variance therefrom with the Zoning Board of Appeals In addressing the merits of any variance application the Zoning Board of Appeals shall consider the benefit to the applicant if the variance is granted as weighed against the detriment to the health, safety and welfare of the community by such grant in further consideration of(1) whether an undesirable change will be produced in the character of the neighborhood or a detriment to nearby properties will be created by the granting of the variance; (2) whether the benefit sought by the applicant can be achieved by some method feasible for the applicant to pursue, other than a variance; (3) whether the requested variance is substantial; (4) whether the proposed variance will have an adverse effect or impact on the physical or environmental conditions in the neighborhood or district; and (5) whether the alleged difficulty was self--created which consideration shall be relevant to the decision of the board of appeals but shall not necessarily preclude therantin of f the variance. §72-12. Penalties for Offenses. Any violation of this Article shall be grounds for the revocation of an existing farm stand permit. Furthermore any violator of this Article shall upon conviction be guilt violation punishable by a fine not exceeding$500 or imprisonment not to exceed 15 days, or both. Each day on which such violation shall occur shall constitute a separate, additional offense as permitted by law. For a second and subsequent conviction within 18 months thereafter, such person shall be guilty of a violation punishable by a fine not exceeding $1,500 or imprisonment not to exceed 15 days or both III. SEVERABILITY If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section, or part of this Local Law shall be adjudged by any court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the judgment shall not affect the validity of this law as a whole or any part thereof other than the part so decided to be unconstitutional or invalid. IV. APPLICABILITY AND EFFECTIVE DATE This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State as provided by law. That summarizes briefly the proposed law that is out for public hearing this afternoon. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I just want to clarify something that might have been presented. An operating, existing farm stand is not required to come and get a permit to run a farm stand. Those are existing farm stands. This speaks to the new farm stands as r Farm Stands Public Hearing , 6 July 1, 2008 they come in. Doug, people like you that have been out in this business for a long time, you don't have to run and get a farm stand permit. This is for construction of new structures. It is a change in market out here, it is a change in dynamic, we wanted to have a law that is a little bit broader and a little bit more confusing than the law I was always hoping for but this is a work product of a lot of different people, with a lot of different input. Now, would anybody like to come up and address the Town Board? COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: There is quite a bit more here. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I am sorry. COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: That is the law that was summarized. There are a few more items in the file that need to be read into the record. One of them is that the Suffolk County Planning Commission also has found this one to be considered a matter for local determination and no input from thein. I have a two page memo from the Chair of the Planning Board which I think I should read more or less in its entirety. This is the recommendations from them regarding this proposed resolution. "The Planning Board has reviewed the proposed local law regarding new Town code for farm stands. We support updating the farm stand code, however, we have some comments regarding the proposed legislation as follows: 1. Statement of purpose: consider adding more language about supporting local agriculture to this section of the law. 2. Maximum size: consider capping the maximum size at 3,000 square feet of enclosed retail area instead of the proposed 4,000 square feet. 3. Parking requirements: consider simplifying the parking requirements to read as follows or something similarly simple: the farm stand parcel provides at least four off-street parking spaces and also provides adequate space that may be used to accommodate seasonal fluctuations in parking needs so that safe conditions for the public are maintained at and around the farm stand at all times. 4. A concern was raised about existing farm stands and what their status would be after the new code is enacted-how many farm stands would become non-conforming? 5. Processed agricultural products are defined,however, are not treated any differently than other retail products. Consider providing an incentive for farm stands to carry products made from locally grown produce by providing an incentive to do so. For example, you might consider a more stringent limit than 40% on non-local processed foods, souvenirs, clothing and other retail items but give art incentive for selling products made with locally grown produce by allowing a higher percentage of the gross sales to be processed, if the processed items are from locally grown produce. 6. Develop criteria and a mechanism for evaluating the percentage of local produce versus other retail and involve the Agricultural Advisory Committee in this process. 7. Definitions and consistency: there a number of definitions throughout the code in other chapters that are not consistent with the definitions in this new chapter. The Planning Department has a comprehensive list of those definitions to be provided to the Town Attorney's office." In addition, we have a short environmental assessment form for a list of actions completed for this proposed law. I have a memo from the LWRP coordinator, who has reported as of June 30th, `It is my recommendation that the proposed action is consistent with the policy standard and therefore is consistent with the LWRP.' And that, and finally I have the legal that appeared in the Suffolk Times newspaper back in June 12 and affirmation that Farm Stands Public Hearing 7 July 1, 2008 it showed up on the Town Clerk's bulletin board outside. What have I got here? This morning we had Mr. Huntington who is a long time member of the Land Preservation Committee, who left off some comments that should be added to the file. This has to do with definitions. "The proposed code defines a farm stand as it is written here in the text. Does this mean that the retail sales of crops from equipment or facilities that'are less than 80 square feet in area or from wagons totaling less than 80 square feet or from a sellers parcel that is less than seven acres or from a sellers parcel that produced less than $50,000 in sales in the last two years are not sold from farm stands? (That is his question) If so, then what are such small, what do we call such small stands selling crops? There are hundreds around town. Will the existing code address them as retail business activities? Is it proposed that the revised code will ignore them? Are they unregulated? What about the definitions and requirements in Chapter 280? (Which is on the other side.) It is agreed that we need to facilitate farmers access to local and tourist retail markets, but small stands are also an important characteristic of our town. Should we not recognize them in this legislation? Can we not call them `yard stands' and define them as such? If this appears to be too knotty an issue, as a special case of retail sales, could we not create a limited class by requiring 100% on parcel or 100 % within township crop cultivation?" This is Ray Huntington of Cutchogue. And those are the comments that are in the file. COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: Before we start the hearing, I just want to make it clear. As the Town Board took this up with the Code Committee quite a long time ago and at that Code Committee, I remember Councilman Wickham and I getting up and walking out at that point. I just want to make it clear, because this affects me directly, I have had no discussion with any, you know, Town Board members, with the Ag Advisory Committee on this and no part in shaping this legislation. I will however, during the hearing, I do have comments on this because it does affect me directly and affects my family directly and our business and because of that, I will reserve my comments until the end. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Would anybody like to come up and address the Town Board on this issue? Mr. Baiz? CHRIS BAIZ: Good afternoon, Supervisor Russell and members of the Board. My name is Chris Baiz, I live here in Southold. For the last four months'I have been acting chair of the Ag Advisory Committee, while the current chairman Bob VanBourgondien has been otherwise disposed and not able to meet our, with our meetings on Wednesday nights, the third Wednesday of each month. The process for this farm stand legislation goes back to the direction and guidance of Supervisor Russell to January of 2006. We are now July 2008, so we are a good 2 %2 years down the road on this. The key things were to make farm stand code simple, understandable, to allow an economic agricultural operation to enter the Town, if it isn't already here. Of those who are already here but don't have farm stands to be able to establish a farm stand that is an economically viable entity. On, what I like to call a windshield cruise, I have driven around town, I have counted a total of 32 farm stands. Some of them I have digitally photographed. I should have brought my laptop computer in and we could have had a flashing display of all the farm stands here in town. There are farm stands from card table to, pardon me, Harbes Farm Stands Public Hearing 8 July 1, 2008 table size farm stands. Even the largest, at this stage of the game, fits within the guidelines of this law. We are simply trying to make something as the Agricultural Advisory Committee's recommendations, something that is viable year round, for a farm family to operate a business. The size demarcations are in, shall we say, sent with agricultural and markets law of the State of New York which I think greatly benefits the opportunity for us and the big thing is that we want for the future to create the opportunity for a farm family to have an economically viable entity in order to support their farming operations and to support keeping that land open and active and working as a farming operation in the Town of Southold. To that end, the members and the chairman of the Ag Advisory Committee have asked me to convey to you all that we are very much in favor of this moving forward. Obviously from some of the material that has been presented to date, there is a lot of effort to micro manage a little corner here and a little corner there. I think more importantly, let's get this on the books. We don't expect a stampede, we don't expect 30 new 3,000 square foot farm stands. Remember a fully enclosed farm stand at a modest $150 square foot at the 2,000 square foot level is a $300,000 proposition and for anybody who is a farmer in this room I don't think anybody is about ready to spend $300,000 just to put up a building that he hopes that he can sell his produce and product in. So with that, we hope you will support this. We think it is a move in the right direction for our high cost of land and obviously what has happened this year with the astronomical increases in energy related materials such that farmers are having to cut back to half of their acreage planted this year because of diesel prices and fertilizer prices. We do need to find a retail economically viable outlet for our farmlands to remain active and viable for the to wn. Thank you. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you. Who else would like to get up and address the Town Board? Mrs. Egan? JOAN EGAN: Joan Egan, East Marion. I did not have the opportunity to go over all of this. I had the printout from a week or two ago. I think as said here and I hope that a lot of the farm people were notified about what was happening here and I think we have to take (inaudible) are wineries considered farm stands? SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Not as a result of this legislation, no. MS. EGAN: No. They are not included in this. As I get most of the feedback for myself and speaking with others, in other words, you want them to just have produce from either their farm or neighboring farms. Then you don't want them to sell mugs and funny things that are unrelated? SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: No. Actually there were so many different efforts here to try to accommodate the changing needs of agriculture. Obviously the first thing we want to do is make sure it is a bona fide ag operation. This is a form of retailing that should be a privilege to an ag operator, not anybody that wants to come in and start going into the business. So we defined agriculture based on state ags and market law. At the same time you need to recognize that it is not realistic to expect an agricultural operation to survive on just what it can produce on site anymore. They need to stay in business a little bit Farm Stands Public Hearing 9 July 1, 2008 longer. The 40% rule was for non-agricultural or accessory items was meant to address that. Some issues were raised to me the other day which I will mention in a minute about how to try to address that more fairly because I had business owners who were concerned about that but the idea was to provide more extended opportunities for ag operations. MS. EGAN: Yeah, well that sounds good. Now the uh, you are going to make it as simple as possible.... SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: That was the goal but we missed that mark by a mile. MS. EGAN: I think it should be noted and well, it was addressed lightly you know, with the increase of oil prices and everything and you know the products that they use to make the land better and the soil better and all of that and with gas prices for us going to farm stands, you know you are not going to Joe Blows for this and Torn this for that and Bill, you are going to go to one place that has the most because this stopping and going it is so hard on your car. Now-I have heard and I think I read it somewhere and I think it is great and I hope it gets pushed around humongously, a lot of our restaurants buying exclusively their produce and their poultry and their fish, if you will, which are a farming thing, from local people and I think that is fantastic. This helps all of us because we don't want to lose our farm stands. This is part of our culture out here, so I hope whatever you decide to do up there will be the best for farmers and for us. Thank you. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: ['hank you. Would anybody else like to come up and address the Town Board on the issue of the farm stand code? KEVIN SHANNON: Hi, I am Kevin Shannon and there are two issues I think that I find disturbing. One is the siz6 of the overall retail space, the enclosed retail space. Four thousand square feet is a huge retail space. And that doesn't include any ancillary storage space. That is separate and that doesn't go into that calculation. So, that is one issue. The second issue is the amount of produce. I mean, it is like oh my god, this is almost a super store in berms of the, and I don't know how you get around this exactly by identifying each product but if I went down the list of things, there were livestock items, you know, including cattle, sheet;, hogs, poultry, nursery products, fish products and fish, vineyard products, alcoholic beverages, clothing, souvenir items. I mean, it is a huge list of items and maybe that is why they need the 4,000 square feet but I think the Planning Department comment about scaling that back somewhat is valid and maybe even further than 3,000 square feet but 1 think if you can tighten up the definition, you know, in terms of products that they are going to sell, I don't know why the wine and alcoholic beverages are in there, are they, is that for catering purposes? SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Let me just clarify, that is actually that is culled right from New York State Agriculture and Markets. MR. SHANNON: Okay. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: it is not our definition. The underlying or the underpinning to that is that you don't get to build this big structure and fill it with all these different Farm Stands Public Hearing 10 July 1, 2008 items, 60 percent of what you are selling you have to grow right there on site. It is the 40 percent that you could have the t-shirts, the souvenirs etc. That, the idea was again to allow a farmer to do what a farmer does, which is to grow and sell their items. The broadness of that comes from ag and markets law. MR. SHANNON: Yeah. Okay. We all know the traditional farm stands... SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Right. MR. SHANNON: Okay, and now, you know, and the t-shirts don't bother me, the souvenirs don't bother me but now you are adding fish products. Are they are farm stand or are they selling fish products? Are they competing with Southold sea food market? You know, with Brauns? What is the.... SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I can appreciate that. MR. SHANNON: That is why I was troubled by the broadness of this. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I can appreciate that. I actually had a few business owners come to me the other night to talk about the issue of the 40 percent, the 60 percent should be easy for everyone. If you didn't grow it, you can't sell it. MR. SHANNON: Yes. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: The 40 percent becomes problematic. I had some business owners raise some concerns about why should I have to compete against someone who enjoys the benefits of selling without the underlying issues of commercial taxes etc. They wanted to see a clearer definition of what that 40 percent would include. And again, they weren't bothered by t-shirts or this or that. They were bothered by what are they going to be selling that I am selling that my overhead is much higher than theirs? MR. SHANNON: Right. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I think that is a fair point but again, the broadness of that other wasn't to allow for that, it was to say, if you produce fees based on ag and markets laws, 60 percent of theirs can be sold on site and 40 percent is accessory items as you see fit. Fish products, all of that is actually part of ag and markets law now. MR. SHANNNON: Okay. 'The other thing that I would point out is, if you take, the way the definition is written I believe, is 60 percent of the gross dollar value, okay, so that means that 40 percent of that 60 percent of the gross dollar value, so that in and of itself is somewhat limiting in what they can sell in what they can sell in that 40 percent. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Yeah, it is the gross dollar value of the crops and then 40 percent of what your revenue can be supplemented... Farm Stands Public Hearing 11 July 1, 2008 MR. SHANNON: I don't know who comes in and enforces that, you know, you have got that code guy.... SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We have that, no matter what you do, the underlying issue is enforcement is going to be a problem but the assessors regularly were able to calculate income from farms for exemption purposes. I don't, the idea isn't to say oh, this guy has 41 percent today, shut him down, the idea is to put in some general parameters so when that farm stand comes in that doesn't have anything planted but wants to be able to go into competition basically as a wholesaler and start selling against you know, competing against farmers, who have the burden of an operation, we can step in and say you don't comply with this. We need some standard in there and that is where that came from. COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: When I speak, I have a suggestion about how to try to enforce that. MR. SHANNON: Okay. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Okay. Would anybody else like to address the Town Board on this issue? Mr. Wills? FRANK WILLS: Frank Wills, Mattituck. I would like to add and reinforce the previous gentlemen's comments about the maximum size of the building. If my math is correct and I believe it is, 4,000 square foot is 10 percent of the total of an acre. I don't know whether we want to fill up our farmland, which we so much admire, with buildings for 4,000 square feet. I think it is excessive. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Mr. Cooper? DOUG COOPER: Good afternoon, Board members. Doug Cooper, Mattituck. I helped work with the Ag Advisory Committee on this legislation, I strongly support it, it is not perfect, there are things I don't agree with but it is a good start and it can always be changed in the future. The concerns about the size of the facility, there will not be a whole lot of these large farm stands. Most farm stands are going to be on the small side, the very small side. It will be what we can sell and produce ourselves. I urge the Town Board to look at this and adopt it. Thank you. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you, Doug. Melanie? MELANIE NORDEN: Melanie Norden, Greenport. I would just like to say that I think our farm stands are really lovely out here and we have to do everything that we possible can to encourage the agricultural industry, which is one of the things that contributes to the beauty of the landscape and we have to encourage our farmers as much as we can to make a living. I mean, if in fact as Mr. Wills points out, we are taking up 1/10th of an acre and if there are only 32 farm stands, we are only talking about what? Max 32 acres or one portion of 32 acres. It is ridiculous to complain about that whereas in fact, they add so much beauty and continuity and loveliness to the landscape. I don't, business Farm Stands Public Hearing 12 July 1, 2008 owners, we are in a competitive society, if you have a great product somebody will buy it. So and I am sure the farmers have an overhead that far exceed somebody's rent in downtown Southold for a shop. I mean that is absurd. An absurd comment. So I think we should be much less concerned about the competition with small local businesses and much more concerned out here about maintaining the industry that adds so much breadth and beauty and scope and encourages tourism across the boards here. I mean, people don't come out to shop in downtown Southold in October to buy something in a hardware store. They come here to buy something at a farm stand. To buy pumpkins, to buy flowers, to buy whatever their family wants. So this is an industry that we need to preserve and protect in whatever way possible and I say, if they want 5,000 square feet; fine. I think it is a very moot point but I would really like to encourage the Board to do whatever it can do, not just in this legislation but in an ongoing basis to protect this industry, which is a delight and creates so much beauty for all of us. Thank you. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you. COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: Thank you. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Would anybody else like to come up? Mr. Baiz? MR. BAIZ: Do I hear 10,000 square feet? Look, let's go right to the nutshell on this in terms of the sizes that are in here. The legal department of the division of agriculture and markets up in Albany has stated that enclosed retail sales areas of farm stands that are between 2,000 and 3,000 square feet, is not deemed unreasonably restrictive to an agricultural operation. So the effort was okay, anything up to 2,000 square feet and there is only one farm stand out here that I believe is larger than that, in the Town of Southold, we felt that that should simply have, be able to come in as of right to obtain a building permit. Farmers are very penurious people, they like to hold onto their money, what little of it they have got and they are not going to run out and build a palace to sell a head of cauliflower. They are going to build something that is suitably sized. And within the value of giving them a return oil their revenue stream, we are trying to create an environment where they are not just open from July 1 to maybe Thanksgiving and then shut down. We are trying to give there an opportunity to be open March through December or something like that so that there is a little bit more of an economic viability in their livelihood. Working oil the land that they don't have to, I have a farmer friend here, he is pretty much retired now but in the winter time he would drive for UPS just to make ends meet and hae drove the big brown trucks. And I had another friend who drove for one of the oil delivery companies in the winter time. So there is that aspect. The 3,000 square feet or from 2,000 to 3,000 square feet, we have simply asked for modified agricultural site plan review. That is still being invented as we speak, so someone coming in for a 2,001 to 3,000 square foot building doesn't have a process to go through yet. Four thousand square feet, that was put in as an absolute legitimate cap for someone who wanted to come in and do that but if you read the legislation carefully, the only way a person can exceed 3,000 square feet let alone anything else, is he must go to the Planning Department and Planning Board for a full site plan review just as if he were any other business at that point in time. So, we are trying to balance agriculture and markets, Farm Stands Public Hearing 13 July 1, 2008 what is not unreasonably restrictive to what will work here within the graces of the Town of Southold and its citizenry. We want to keep the farmland viable, not for tomorrow but for the next 10, 20, 50 years and it will always be an ongoing program because we do live, if any of you know a more expensive place for agricultural land to survive, let me know. I know Napa Valley is perhaps a little bit more expensive but if we are going to keep agriculture alive here, we need to find ways to keep it economically viable for those who chose a life of what I like to call 29/8. Not 24/7 anymore. Farming is 29/8. Twenty nine hours a day, eight days a week. Thank you. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Just as a point of clarification, generally speaking an ag operation would need to be at least seven acres and produce an income of $10,000 or more. For those smaller lots, the concern, I know, and I had some concerns actually with the height actually, I had put a proposal together that stops at 2,000 and then put a scale in. The more land you have, the larger the structure could be. That got put to the side because it complicated an already complicated law. But the idea was that with the smaller operations, they really would have to be a high income producer to even qualify for it, a (inaudible) farm stand. And that might be a greenhouse. A greenhouse can easily take up 3,000 square feet yet it is hardly what you would call an oversize structure. It is where they are producing their product. Would anybody else like to come up and address the Town Board on this issue? DAWN THOMPSON: Dawn Thompson. Does that have to be seven continuous acres? We have five and a half and then two and change. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: The law calls for a gross operation size of seven acres or more. MS. THOMPSON: Okay. So it doesn't have to be continuous? SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Do you want to clarify that, Kieran? But I am reasonably sure we are speaking to the size of the operation, not the size of the specific parcel. State Ag and Markets speaks to the size of the operation not just the parcel. MR. BAIZ: In that case, you might fall under the modified ag site plan. If you don't have one particular piece but you have got two.... ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY CORCORAN: The way it reads now, you have to be on a parcel. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Okay. Seven acres or greater. ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY CORCORAN: It would have to be contiguous the way it is written now. MS. THOMPSON: Okay. Thank you. Farm Stands Public Hearing 14 July 1, 2008 SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Would anybody else like to address the Town Board on this issue. JOE GILLES: Yes, I have a couple of things to clarify, my name is Joe Gilles. My wife Barbara owns Barb's Veggies. I think everybody sure knows. When you say the produce must be grown on site, could you more clarify that? SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Uh, yeah. Agricultural products that were grown and produced from the land that the farm stand sits on. If you are a cauliflower farmer and you are selling cauliflower because you have got the farm stand right on the site where the cauliflower is grown. It is an on site production. Despite what your crop is, you need to produce it yourself and then sell it there. the idea is that direct sale from the site where you are producing the agricultural product. MR. GILLES: Okay. My sweet corn is grown in Aquebogue. What happens here? Is this permissible? SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I don't believe it would be, under the current... JUSTICE EVANS: Inaudible SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Sixty percent of what you are selling is produced at the site you have, then the sweet corn can be put in.... ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY CORCORAN: You need to be on a bona fide ag operation. So the farm stand needs to be on the seven acres or the other, if you qualify for the higher income. Sixty percent of your product needs to be grown by the operator, by you, within the town. MR. GILLES: Right. ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY CORCORAN: So your sweet corn may then fall under your 40 percent but you need to have 60 percent grown within the town. MR. GILLES: So let me just ask a question that doesn't pertain to this. Suppose I have a farm stand and my farming operation is in Riverhead Town and my farm stand is in Southold. What happens here? SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: You would not be permitted to have a farm stand. MR. GILLES: So in other words, the one in Laurel gets shut down? SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Is it on seven acres or more? MR. GILLES: Pardon me? Farm Stands Public Hearing 15 July 1, 2008 SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Is it on seven acres? MR. GILLES: It is on a seven acre parcel where the house is situated. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Seven acres that you are producing from? MR. GILLES: No, no. It is not me. I am just using this as an example. JUSTICE EVANS: If it already exists, it becomes non-conforming. ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY CORCORAN: Well, if it legally exists, it becomes non-conforming, yes, and it can continue to operate. MR. GILLES: You have got some of these farmers who have their stand in Southold and farm in Riverhead Town. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Well, the goal here was to address the needs and concerns of Southold farmers. And I know that might sound a little jingoistic but my concern is to say for the local farmers, to make you prosperous, I want to not just give you expanded opportunity but to prevent undue competition from other operations that are not in the farm business in Southold Town. That sounds a little protective but my underlying concern here is for agricultural producers in Southold Town. MR. GILLES: Now my wife's operation is not on seven acres of land. But that has been preexisting there for 40 years. We do have an additional 15 acres that we rented %2 mile away. We have four acres were the stand is situated and 15 acres %2 mile away. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I don't know the circumstances there. I know your farm stand, I think you have been there for about two or three years? MR. GILLES: No, six. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Six already? MR. GILLES: Yes. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I don't know how this law would apply but.... ASSISTANT TOWN ATTORNEY CORCORAN: It depends if you have a farm stand permit already under the old law. If you have one under the old law.... SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Do you have a farm stand permit? MR. GILLES: We applied for a farm stand permit and they keep telling us there is no permits. As a matter of fact, the first year we were in operation, Forrester came down and served us with papers for a permit and my wife Barbara went down to fill out all the paperwork.... Farm Stands Public Hearing 16 July 1, 2008 SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We need to have a candid discussion and I am sorry but I go by your farm stand every day and I am reasonably sure that the mangos and the melons aren't being grown locally. That presents a problem. MR. GILLES: There are other farm stands in Southold Town that are doing the same things I am doing. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Are they producing agricultural products in Southold Town. MR. GILLES: Yeah, they got some agricultural products. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Then they would be, under this law, permitted to sell those accessory items. Because they are in the business of growing. MR. GILLES: So am I. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: But presuming 40 percent of their products could be mangos and lemons. But, well, not if you don't have the production on site. In other words, you need the production on site to have the farm stand. MR. GILLES: I mean, there are reasons why my corn is grown in Riverhead. My Bon- in-law, who is a partner with us in the farm stand, they have a farming operation in Aquebogue. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I can honestly appreciate that. But again, we are trying to address issues for agricultural operations. MR. GILLES: Alright. Thank you. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Would anybody else like to come and address the Town Board? DOROTHY KONARSKI: I am Dorothy Konarski from Farmer Mike's farm stand. I have a different problem. I have my farm stand on my house property. There is no farm there, there has never been for 36 years. That is how I operated it. I got my permit and everything from the Town and built it to the specifications. Am I okay? SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: You are fine. In fact, if you read... MS. KONARSKI: I need a permit? SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: No, you have it. If you read the law, we made a provision for the existing operations that might not be set back 50 feet, that already might be in existence. MS. KONARSKI: I just wanted to make sure. ' Farm Stands Public Hearing 17 July 1, 2008 SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Yeah. there was a specific provision in there to provide for the existing farm stands. MS. KONARSKI: Okay. Thank you. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Would anybody else like to come up and address the Town Board on this issue? COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: I would just like to thank the Town Board for making this effort. I would like to thank the Ag Advisory. I know they put a lot of work into this and I know it is complicated. I think they took a pretty good stab at it. One thing that was never mentioned tonight was food safety. And if, you know, as you see in the news food comes in from all over the country, from all over the world and there is problems. There is problems with, it is mostly post harvest problems with the shipping, with the storage, with obviously there is other problems with pesticide use in other states, in other countries, where food comes in from, things not regulated as closely certainly as they are in New York, certainly not as closely regulated as they are on Long Island. And I appreciate the comments and support for local agriculture. That is a sight to hear. So when you buy local produce, you know it is picked when it is supposed to be picked when it is ripe, it is picked at its freshest. It has got the most nutritional value, when you buy produce you might as well go to King Kullen otherwise when you see a truck delivering things in wax boxes, you know it is coming from Peru or Jersey or some other foreign state. So I just, if you allow people to sell produce that comes in from other parts of the country and world, you really marginalize the farming in Southold Town, you really, you might as well sell cigarettes and beer, too. One thing that came up, that one gentleman brought up about how do you know what a legitimate agricultural operation is, that has come up in different areas of the town code that reference agriculture also and one thing that I have asked the Town Board to consider in the past and I have asked them to consider with this legislation is that it is hard to send a code enforcer out and I am not singling out our current code enforcer, I am saying any code enforcer, they might not have the experience in agriculture. I think the Ag Advisory would serve a very good role in determining because of their experience in agriculture, what is a legitimate agricultural operation or not and they could advise whoever it is, whether it is the Planning Board or the Building Department on the legitimacy of a farming operation. Another thing that I just want to ask to be added to the code that I, and I have reviewed it but I haven't seen it, is that in order to make it a legitimate agricultural operation, you shouldn't be allowed to open your doors for business until you actually harvest something that you have grown. In other words, you shouldn't open in May with watermelon and tomatoes and strawberries when everyone local knows these products aren't grown locally. You should be able to open your doors for business when you start to harvest, the spring produce. The lettuce, the peas, strawberries and things like that. And then you can go into business from then on. And I trunk that would take a step for keeping people in line as far as what they sell, as far as they sell what they grow. Farm Stands Public Hearing 18 July 1, 2008 SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I want to suggest that I think the one issue here that we can resolve a lot of these issues is by bringing a clearer definition to what the 40 percent shall represent. We can meet the Planning Board's goals at focusing on encouraging the resale of products grown locally. We can maybe alleviate some of the business owners concerns with what the 40 percent is going to constitute. Albert, your concerns about tainted tomatoes but I have got to tell, I thought pineapples are in. I just bought three last week. They are not harvested yet? COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: Ours aren't ready yet. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Yours aren't ready yet. I don't know how the Town Board feels about that. I actually appreciated the Planning Board's comments because they went to a more general standard on parking. Trying to create a parking requirement for a farm stand is nearly impossible. Farm stands are so fluid in that they are very busy at some times and virtually vacant at others that you can never expect them to have the parking component that they would need to satisfy parking requirements on their busiest days. We had actually liberalized the code. The current code requires one space for every 100 square feet, this one says one for every 200 square feet, which is similar to what the 'business code is but it really is impossible to come up with something that is going to work given the cycle of that industry. COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: I would just like to comment as a note of information that the Town's Transportation Commission is working simultaneously on a parking requirement for farm stands. That requirement is not in this law that is before us and I have no idea what the fate of it will be but they are working on a more focused, lengthy plan of how to resolve the parking requirements associated with farm stands. SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Okay. Can I ask for the indulgence of the Ag Advisory Committee to give us two weeks to work with the SBA and others to define the 40 percent and ask for your cooperation and with Albert. That is the problem, the people that have all the knowledge. That is the problem, the people that have all the knowledge on farm stands have been recusing themselves from the beginning. You are talking to a liberal arts major. i don't know much about farm stands. So we are trying the best we can, we are trying to accommodate a lot of concerns here. JUSTICE EVANS: I make a motion that we close the hearing. This hearing was closed at 6:03 PM Elizabeth A. Neville Southold Town Clerk RESOLUTION 2008-668 ADOPTED DOC ID: 4050 THIS IS TO CERTIFY THAT THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION NO.2008-668 WAS ADOPTED AT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD ON JULY 1,2008: RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby designates the John B. Coleman house located at SCTM 1000-71-2-10,200 Harbor Lights Drive, Southold,New York, as historic and add to the town's register of Historic Landmarks; all in accordance with Chapter 170 of the Southold Town Code,the recommendation for designation by the Southold Town Historic Preservation Commission, and acceptance of designation by property owners Elizabeth A. Neville Southold Town Clerk RESULT: ADOPTED [UNANIMOUS] MOVER: William Ruland, Councilman SECONDER:Vincent Orlando, Councilman AYES: Ruland, Orlando, Krupski Jr., Wickham, Evans, Russell APPLICATION FOR LISTING ON THE SOUTHOLD TOWN REGISTER OF DESIGNATED LANDMARKS TRANSMITTAL/ROUTING SHEET FOR BUILDING-STRUCTURE INVENTORY FORM (For Office Use Only) 1. Date Received: 2. Date Initially Reviewed by Commission: 3. Date Scheduled for Inspection: 6� 4. Date Inspected: s//61oF, 5. Inspection Team: 6. Comments Qf Inspection Tea w � e 7. Recommendatio 8. Date of Fin eview by Commission: 9. Action: Approved ='F Denied 10. Date Submitted to Town Clerk for Official Notice 11. Date Applicant Notified: 12. Date Plaque Presented at Meeting of Town Board: LEGAL NOTICE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN,pursuant to the provisions of Chapter 170 (Landmark Preservation) of the Town Code,the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby sets Tuesday, July 1,2008 at 4:45 P.M., Southold Town Hall,53095 Main Road, Southold,New York as the time and place for a public hearing to consider the designation of the John B. Coleman house on the town's register of Historic Landmarks; the house is located at SCTM 1000-71-2-10,200 Harbor Lights Drive, Southold,New York. The property owners, Theodore and Kathryn Bucci, have requested and the Historic Preservation Commission has recommended the property for inclusion on the town's register. The file is available for review during regular business hours by contacting Damon Rallis at the Southold Town Building Department. If you have any questions,please do not hesitate to contact Damon Rallis at the Southold Town Building Department(631) 765-1802 or Damon.Rallis@town.southold.ny.us. Dated: June 17, 2008 BY ORDER OF THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD Elizabeth Neville Town Clerk PLEASE PUBLISH ON June 26,2008,AND FORWARD ONE (1)AFFIDAVIT OF PUBLICATION TO ELIZABETH NEVILLE, TOWN CLERK, TOWN HALL, P.O. BOX 1179, SOUTHOLD,NY 11971. Copies to the following: The Suffolk Times Town Attorney Historic Preservation Commission Town Clerk's Bulletin Board Town Board Theodore and Kathryn Bucci Building Department Planning Department o��OF SO(/ryDl Telephone (631) 765-1802 h O Town Hall,53095 Route 25 Fax (631)765-9502 P.O.Box 1179 Southold,New York 11971-0959 COU SOUTHOLD TOWN LANDMARK PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEMORANDUM To: Supervisor Scott Russell and Southold Town Board members From: James Grathwohl, Landmark Preservation Commission Date: June 4, 2008 Re: 1000-71-2-10, 200 Habor Lights Drive, Southold,NY Cc: File On May 20, 2008, the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission voted to recommend that this property be placed on the town's register of historic landmarks. Thank you for your consideration. 6 pF SO!/ry0 Telephone (631)765-1802 �� l0 Town Hall,53095 Route 25 Fax (631)765-9502 #[ [ P.O.Box 1179 Southold,New York 11971-0959 �yC0UNT1,� SOUTHOLD TOWN LANDMARK PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEMORANDUM To: Town Clerk Elizabeth Neville From: James Grathwohl, Landmark Preservation Commission Date: June 4, 2008 Re: 1000-71-2-10, 200 Habor Lights Drive, Southold,NY Cc: File On May 20, 2008, the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission voted to recommend that this property be placed on the town's register of historic landmarks. Pursuant to 170-5 A(2) and Chapter 55 of the Southold Town Code,please schedule a public hearing regarding the designation of the above referenced property as a designated historic landmark in the Town of Southold. Once a hearing has been scheduled,please contact Damon Rallis in the Southold Town Building Department so that he may inform commission members and the applicant. Thank you for your consideration. o��OF ` Telephone (631)765-1802 Town Hall,53095 Route 25 Fax (631)765-9502 l P.O.Box 1179 Southold,New York 11971-0959 G • �� oly�OUM`I,�� SOUTHOLD TOWN LANDMARK PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEMORANDUM To: Supervisor Scott Russell and Southold Town Board members From: James Grathwohl, Landmark Preservation Commission Date: June 4, 2008 Re: 1000-71-2-10, 200 Habor Lights Drive, Southold,NY Cc: File On May 20, 2008, the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission voted to recommend that this property be placed on the town's register of historic landmarks. Thank you for your consideration. oF so�ryol Telephone (631)765-1802 O Town Hall,53095 Route 25 Fax (631)765-9502 l P.O.Box 1179 Southold,New York 11971-0959 SOUTHOLD TOWN LANDMARK PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEMORANDUM To: Town Clerk Elizabeth Neville From: James Grathwohl, Landmark Preservation Commission Date: June 4, 2008 Re: 1000-71-2-10, 200 Habor Lights Drive, Southold,NY Cc: File On May 20, 2008, the Southold Town Landmarks Preservation Commission voted to recommend that this property be placed on the town's register of historic landmarks. Pursuant to 170-5 A(2) and Chapter 55 of the Southold Town Code,please schedule a public hearing regarding the designation of the above referenced property as a designated historic landmark in the Town of Southold. Once a hearing has been scheduled, please contact Damon Rallis in the Southold Town Building Department so that he may inform commission members and the applicant. Thank you for your consideration.