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HomeMy WebLinkAboutTR-11/20/2002Albert J. Krupski, President James King, Vice-President Artie Foster Ken Poliwoda Peggy A. Dickerson Town Hall 53095 Route 25 P.O. Box 1179 Southold, New York 11971-0959 Telephone (631) 765-1892 Fax 1631) 765-1366 BOARD OF TOWN TRUSTEES TOWN OF SOUTHOLD MINUTES November 20tn, 2002 7:00 PM PRESENT WERE: Albert J. Krupsld, Jr., President James King, Vice-President Artie Foster, Trustee Ken Poliwoda, Trustee Peggy Dickerson, Trustee E. Brownell Johnston, Esq. Charlotte Cunningham, Clerk CALL MEETING TO ORDER PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE NEXT FIELD iNSPECTION: Wednesday, December 11th, 2002 at 8:00 a.m. TRUSTEE FOSTER Approved TRUSTEE DICKERSON Seconded. NEXT TRUSTEE MEETING: Wednesday, December 18th, 2002 at 7:00 p.m. WORKSESSION: 6:00 p.m. TRUSTEE FOSTER Approved TRUSTEE DICKERSON Seconded APPROVE MINUTES: Approve Minutes September 25, 2002 (not complete) Approve Minutes October 16, 2002 TRUSTEE KiNG Approved with corrections. TRUSTEE DICKERSON Seconded. MONTHLY REPORT: The Trustees monthly report for August 2002. A check for $ 9,451.84 was forwarded to the Supervisor's Office for the General Fund. II. PUBLIC NOTICES: Public Notices are posted on the Town Clerk's Bulletin Board for review. AMENDMENT/WAIVER/CHANGES ALEX WIPF requests an Amendment to Permit #1876 to attach a 5'x20' floating dock to permanent dock as work platform to raise shellfish. Located: 940 West Creek Drive, Cutchogue, NY SCTM#103- 13-7 TRUSTEE KING made a Motion to Approve TRUSTEE POL1WODA Seconded ALL AYES 2. GARY LAUBE request an Amendment to Permit #5278 for clearing that has occurred within 100 feet of wetlands - restore with variety of plantings. Located: 310 Ackerly Pond Lane, Southold, NY SCTM#70- 05-05 TRUSTEE KRUPSKh the only suq.qestion that I had on that was if we could qet maybe at the twenty foot line were those plantings are proposed - if we could qet a second row of hay bales in there to prevent any possible situation or stabilize that 20 feet with wood chips right away. TRUSTEE DICKERSON made a Motion to Approve TRUSTEE KING seconded. ALL AYES 3. JMO Consulting on behalf of BELVEDERE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT request an Amendment to Wetland Permit #5193 to install gas pump on site utilized only to fuel the five-six boats that are used to transport staff, guests and supplies back and forth to Robin's Island also one year extension to permit. Located: First Street & Jackson Street, New Suffolk, NY SCTM#117-8-19&20 TRUSTEE DICKERSON made a Motion to Approve TRUSTEE KING seconded. ALL AYES Eh-Consultants, Inc. On behalf of RICHARD & KATHLEEN O'TOOLE request an Amendment to Permit #5595 to allow dredging to recover approximately 20 cubic yards of lost backfill to be trucked off site to an approved up land source. Located: 2280 Ole Jule Lane, Mattituck, NY S CTM# 122-4-10 TRUSTEE KING moved to Approve with the stipulation that it is not to exceed more than twenty yards at $10.00 cubic yard TRUSTEE POLIWODA seconded ALL AYES Catherine Mesiano, Inc. on behalf of GERALD KEEGAN request an Amendment to Wetland Permit 5600 to replace existing septic system. Located: 100 Beachwood Lane, Southold, NY SCTM#70-10-52 & 63,1 TRUSTEE POLIWODA made a Motion to Approve TRUSTEE DICKERSON seconded ALL AYES Proper-T Permit Services on behalf of HERBERT LINDTVEIT & CHARLES BURST request an Amendment to Permit # 2003 to remove existing fixed dock and float extending from an existing bulkhead and replace in the same location with a 4'x27'6" fixed walkway 3'x14' hinged ramp and 6'x20' float five existing piles are to remain- one acting to secure the seaward end of the float and four acting as mooring poles -two on each side of float - two additional spiles installed near the landward end of float to further secure it. Located: 705 Windy Point Road, Southold, NY SCTM#87-4-7 TRUSTEE POLIWODO made a Motion toe Approve with the stipulation that three piles are to remain - one holding the float- two piling poles no additional piles except what was approved on 3/20/02 all pilings will be no greater than 6 inches in diameter. TRUSTEE DICKERSON seconded. ALL AYES e Proper-T Permit Services on behalf of SAVAS KATSORHIS for a One Year Extension to Permit #5251 dated Nov. 21, 2000 - also new plans now submitted reflecting the change of the existing concrete patio. Located: 965 Bungalow Lane, Mattituck, NY SCTM#123-3-12.1 TRUSTEE KING made a Motion to Approve TRUSTEE POLIWODA seconded. ALL AYES LUKE & RITA LICALZI request for Dock Permit Transfer #1977 from Arthur L.R. Francisco to Luke & Rita LiCalzi Located: 2195 Calves Neck Road, Southold, NY SCTM# 70-4-46.1 TRUSTEE POLIWODA made a Motion to Approve TRUSTEE DICKERSON seconded ALL AYES Fair-weather Brown on behalf of ALVIN BERMAN & ELLEN BUCHBINDER BERMAN request a One Year Extension to Permit #5269 dated 1/24/01 Located: 216 Hillcrest Drive North, Orient, NY SCTM#13-2-8.16 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI made a Motion to Approve TRUSTEE KING seconded ALL AYES 10. William & Elizabeth Smith request a One Year Extension to Per, nit #5 100 dated January 26, 2000 Located: 10605 Soundview Avenue, Southold, NY SCTM#54-5-37.3 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI made a Motion to Approve with the stipulation that there be drywells and gutters on the house. TRUSTEE KING Seconded. ALL AYES 11. ROB FOX request a change of name from Rochelle & George Reis to Rob Fox Permit #5224 dated 9/20/00 Located: 580 Lloyds Lane, Mattituck, NY SCTM#99-03-4,2 '~ TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: made a Motion to Approve change of name Also a Letter of Non-Jurisdiction. TRUSTEE KING seconded. ALL AYES 12. Catherine Mesiano, Inc. on behalf of MARY ZUPA requesting Emergency Permit #5653 to replace approximately 495 feet of bulkhead - installation of 52 feet low sill bulkhead - re-vegetate approximately 640 feet landward of nye low profile wall, vegetate disturbed areas landward of bulkhead replacement. Located: 5 80 Basin Road, Southold, NY TRUSTEE KRUPSKI made a Motion to Approve TRUSTEE KING seconded ALL AYES IlL PUBLIC HEARINGS: THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE MATTER OF THE FOLLOWING APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS UNDER THE WETLANDS ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD. I HA VE AN AFFIDA FIT OF PUBLICATIONS FROM THE SUFFOLK TIMES; PERTINENT CORRESPONDENCE MA Y BE READ PRIOR TO ASKING FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS ORGANIZED AND BRIEF FIVE (5) MINUTES OR LESS IF POSSIBLE Costello Marine Contracting Corp. OnbehalfofJAMES MILLER request a Wetland Permit to construct a 6'x40' ramp, continuing with a level 6'x110' dock and ending with a 6'x24' "L" dock pointing northeast. From the "L" dock, installing a 32"x12' ramp leasing to a 6'x20' float. Installing a 15,000 lb. boatlift on the southwest side. Located: 1610 Paradise Point Road, Southold, SCTM#81-3- l 9.4 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What I have is an old description and I think I am going to find the new description to read into the record. Proposed construction is for a 4'x 40' ramp continuing with a level 4'x30' dock and 6'x70' dock and ending with a 6'x24' "L" dock pointed northeast on the northeast side of the dock to construct a 4'x 4' platform with a 3'x10' ramp leading to a 4-1/2'x20' lower platform additional installing two 2 pile dolphins and one single pile by using creative barge. Is there anyone like to speak in favor of the application? JOHN COSTELLO: My name is John Costello and I am the agent for Mr. Miller on this application. This is a continuation of last months hearing on this application and the Board desired to have a copy of the DEC Permit given to them. I gave it to them the following morning. Mr. Miller was willing to reduce the size of the dock by ten feet from the over all length as discussed on site with the Trustees at their meeting. He was also eliminating the boatlift as per the recommendation of the DEC. He is also reduced and eliminated the intended splashboard beneath the dock and he is taking and removed the 12-foot ramp and the floating dock. So as not to shade the bottom and he in turn is willing to put a four and half foot instead of the six foot wide float and four and half foot lower platform on fixed pilings. The only addition to the entire structure was one additional tie up piling on the north side of the dock. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Wasn't that six-foot dock reduced to a four foot in width? JOHN COSTELLO: The inshore end of the four-foot dock as per the DEC permit. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Are there any other comments? Board has any other comment? TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Yes, I believe in the field that we requested the removal of the two -3 pile dolphins. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I remember that conversation. Any other comment? JOHN COSTELLO: You want my comments in the field. In the field - Ken was the only Trustee I do not believe that any of the other Trustees had a problem with the three pile dolphins for ice control. Ken said that he was opposed to them. He did not like multiple piling and we reduced by two pilings. Mr. Miller told me to reduce it. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No I agreed with Ken what he said in the field and I do not know what the other Board's members said about the additional piling. We just had a discussion about this. About a half an hour ago with another applicant about adding additional pilings and taking up additional public lands. JOHN COSTELLO: This public land is the State. The Department of State has issued a permit for the three pilings. The DEC has offered a permit and has given a permit for the three pilings on State land. My intentions of desig~fing this and I know that the ice conditions in the bay can be diverse. I have repaired many a dock. We had pilings at stock docks in the past that would damage severely. A single piling out there is going to have some difficulties. The purposes of the pilings are not only to moor the boat properly and safely. Not to protect the dock also. I tell you in Noyack Bay area we put seven pile dolphins in. Because the Noyack Bay fi:eezes in - in entirety. One solid sheet. I know that was Ken's opinion and he is the only one that expressed that opinion at the site. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I do recall having a discussion with Mr. Costello in the field that if there was an ice event. He could apply for an emergency ice permit to plant some poles. Before the ice breaks up the dock. When the spring comes he can pull them out. That is the purpose. JOHN COSTELLO: I asked Mri Miller as a courtesy of that conversation with you Ken to reduce it. He said he would. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I just have one more question on these pilings and I am trying to find a reference point for the neighboring docks. You got the ice pilings position on the side of the neighboring dock. With those two docks that are substantial in size act as ice breaks. On that ice flows direction. JOHN COSTELLO: If'there was fixed ice and not flow ice. That would probably will break it to some degree. But there is eight hundred feet in there. That a major piece of ice. You been out there in the wintertime? We have them on every dock in Noyack on the west side of Noyack Bay. There are seven pile dolphins on every dock. Every dock has in the past has sustained major damage. TRUSTEE FOSTER: It is an insurance policy. JOHN COSTELLO: I can tell you back in 1964 1 built an entire dock out of Oak Piling. The entire dock was cut offwithout the piling protecting it. In Noyack Bay. I hope we have calm winters. God Bless Amino. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: If there is no other comment? I am going to move to close the hearing. TRUSTEE FOSTER; Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES so one makes a Motion. TRUSTEE KING: I will make a Motion to approve the application as submitted. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded. TRUST EE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Into the record the only reason that I am going to Approve this with the ice pilings I feel even though they will take up bay bottom and take up public space that the damage could be worse if it broke up the structure in this case. Cause the debris to be scattered about the bay. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Into the record my Approval is just for the dock and not the ice pilings. Costello Marine Contracting Corp on behalf of PATRICK KELLY request a Wetland Permit to construct a new 156' bulkhead (including 8' return on west side) with C-Loc Vinyl Sheathing, directly in front of existing bulkhead. Located: 75 Harbor Lights Drive, Southold, NY SCTM#71-2-7 TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Would anyone like to comment on this application? JOHN COSTELLO: My name again is John Costello with Costello Marine Contracting. I am the agent for Mr. Kelly on this application. If the tmstee's have any questions in this regard. It is very similar- it is exactly similar to the last two along that stretch of bulk heading. They were all put in approximately the same time and Stickle & Graham bulkheads were exactly the same thing. Except they also approved the floats at that time. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Thank you any other comments? As for Board comments I looked at this application I agree it could be done as specified by the applicant. Being put in front of the property to the south is out already and would just tie in with that. You request dredging? It was unclear where the dredging would occur. JOHN COSTELLO: The only dredging is going to be done is to placement of the C-Loc end. So we are going to minimize. The dredging is just a recouping the material that is jetted out on the insulation of that bulkhead, TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I have an important request with the dredging on the northwest side. The shorter wall. I was going to recommend staying away from there. It is natural inter-tidal JOHN COSTELLO: They are not tying up any boat. The dredging will probably only to the point. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: On the canal side JOHN COSTELLO: Because there are vegetated wetlands around the comer and he does not take access. He can work there but he does not intend to. There are only a few yards coming out of there. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I also see the applicant put in for a ten foot non-turf buffer along the bulkhead. JOHN COSTELLO: I told him that was going to be demand. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: That is fine. Any other Board's comments? I will make a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: All in favor. ALL AYES I will make a Motion to Approve the Wetland Permit on behalf of Patrick Kelly with the stipulation that there be a ten foot non-turf buffer in place. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded. TRUSTEE POL1WODA: All in favor. ALL AYES o Costello Marine Contracting Corp. On behalf of KENNETH PETERSON request a Wetland Permit to construct a new 80' bulkhead (w/C-loc vinyl sheathing) directly in front of existing bulkhead and 8" higher. Located: 615 Harbor Lights Drive, Southold, NY SCTM#71-2-2 TRUSTEE POIWODA: Would anyone like to comment on this application? JOHN COSTELLO: Again, my name is John Costello and we are the agent's for Mr. Peterson. It is similar bulkhead less of it. On the same stretch. All of them are failing because of age and leakage. We are trying to replace them with a more environmentally sensitive material than if the cresol gets in there. TRUSTEE POLOWODA: Any other comments? Once again are there any Board comments? I inspected this and I did have a question about. There is a bow in the bulkhead will you be pulling that back? As you replace it. JOHN COSTELLO: When we put the bulkhead in. We will be putting in a new backing system. We will be excavating behind landward. Will be pulling the topsoil up. We will leave a ten-foot non-turf buffer and then the bulkhead will be straight. We take pride in that. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Does that eighty feet include the eight- foot return. JOHN COSTELLO: There is seventy-two feet. Because the adjourning property to the east of this is an Association Property that is un-bullheaded now. There is a lot of debris in there and it is not his property and he is not going to try anything. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I was going to recommend going eight inches higher there. JOHN COSTELLO: We are not. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Not to dredge thirty foot of that bulkhead. So any dredging will be the first fifty. JOHN COSTELLO: That is frae. TRUSTEE POL1WODA: Any other comments? I ~vill make a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: All in favor ALL AYES I will make a Motion to ~lpprove the Wetland Permit on behalf of Kenneth Peterson with the stipulation that there be a ten foot non- turf buffer be installed also no dredging thirty feet from the southerly eight foot return. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: All in favor. ALL AYES J.M.O. Consulting on behalf of CHRISTOPHER PIA request a Wetland Permit to dredge a 12'x360' channel to a depth of-4' the resultant spoil (320 c, y,) of sand will be placed on adjacent beach for beach nourishment. Located: 1455 Inlet Way, Southold, NY SCTM#92-1-4 TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Is there anyone to comment on this? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Glenn who was right here. Has disappeared. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: He is out in the hall. TRUSTEE DICKERSON I will make a Motion to Table. TRUSTEE FOSTER Seconded. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: All in favor ALL AYES Carl Guerale on behalf of MARTIN & DOREEN EVANS requests a Wetland Permit for a staircase, fixed dock, hinged ramp and floating dock. Located: 5050 New Suffolk Avenue, Mattituck, NY SCTM#115-1104003 TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Is there any one who would like to speak on this application? MR, EVANS: I am hoping that it is approved. TRUSTEE POLIWDA: Sure you are Mr. Evans. Is there any one else who would like to comment? No other comments? I will comment as the Board member who inspected this. I went out there by boat and inspected it. I was a little learley of the length of the dock I found that there was a lot of unnecessary structure there. However, I went from the edge of the marsh outward/seaward and I measured out 36 feet where I hit two and half feet of water. Immediately dropped off to at least four feet at forty-six feet. So that will give you plenty of depth of boat there. So the way that I described it in the plan. Would be to start your float at thirty-six feet off the edge of the marsh. So you walk back from the edge of the float - put a catwalk as far as you want to go. You would have plenty of depth and plenty of dock facility. Which is probably thirty to forty feet shorter than what you are proposing in length. MR. EVANS: I just have to ask you something. If you do this now. When the wind blows from the north. Because it is on a creek the water situation diminish tremendously. When it blows the opposite way. There is a tremendous variation. It is not like a straight drop like four foot. I am sure on the bay. Where you can measure. That is the only thing. I hope you factored that into the whole process. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Oh sure, I was there on a fairly Iow tide and I had trouble getting there. I turned the bottom as I crawled up to your dock area. I could not even hit the shoreline because it was so low. My bow hit the sand there. I had to get out and measure it. MR. EVANS: Where you are approving there is enough water there. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: There was two half feet at the beginning ~ of the float it dropped right down to twelve feet at forty six feet. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That will insure that you will get a DEC permit for the float also. Because most people have trouble getting a DEC permit because the float does not have sufficient water. But in this case you will have sufficient water to get a DEC permit also. Most people get a ramp - a catwalk out - stairs down that - maybe a pole. So what you have to do. We can approve this tonight with the condition with you submitting a plan showing that. Those lengths and the water depths and you can submit that to the DEC. So you will have our approval. MR. EVANS: So you will give me the conditions and then I will be Okay - TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Any other comments? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you for your patience. MR. EVANS: No problem. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I will make a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. ALL AYES TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I will make a Motion to Approve the Wetland Permit on behalf of Martin & Doreen Evans with the condition that the inshore side of the float will begin a 36 feet off the edge of the marsh and extend outward a 6'x20' float with a ramp and fixed dock landward all pilings will be no greater than six inches -Seconded TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: All in favor. ALL AYES MICHAEL A. CIIUISANO as Contract Vendee requests a Wetland Permit to construct a single-family dwelling. Located: 1775 Gull Pond Lane, Greenport, NY SCTM#68-2-10 POSTPONED UNTIL FEBRUARY AS PER TIlE APPLICANT'S REQUEST Suffolk Environmental Consulting on behalf of JULIUS BLOCKER request a Wetland Permit to construct a 2,230 square foot +/- "footprint" private single family dwelling an attached 1,340 sq. ft. +/- porch, 70 linear feet of retaining wall surrounding the 10 o sanitary system, pervious driveway public water utilization. Located: 1005 Takaposa Road, Southold, NY SCTM#87-06-12.1 WITHDRAWN WITHOUT PREJUDICE Suffolk Environmental Consulting on behalf of AMELIA MENDOZA requests a Wetland Permit to construct stairway down the bluff to access the shoreline. Located: 38015 Main Road, Orient, NY SCTM # 15-0215.1 BRUCE ANDERSON: Brace Anderson of Suffolk Environmental Consulting for the applicant Amelia Mendoza. It is a standard stairway down to the beach. There should be no issues with it. I think you should have detail plans and I am here to answer any questions that you have. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any comments? TRUSTEE FOSTER: I looked at it and I really did not have a problem with it. The CAC recommended approval with the condition of minimal bluff disturbance, which would be my condition as well. It is kind of cut and dry. It is just a set o£stairs right down the bluff. I would recommend approval. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Are there any other comments? BRUCE ANDERSON: Very easy to install. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Being no other comments I will make a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES I will make a Motion to approve the application of AMELIA MENDOZA to construct stairs to the beach 38015 Main Road, Orient. NY. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES Suffolk Environmental Consulting on behalf of ANN MARIE KELLY requests a Wetland Permit to construct a 1,075 sq. ft. second story addition, a 205 sq. ft. front porch extension a 96 sq. ft. rear patio, deposit 575 +/- cu. yd. of clean fill from an upland source, relocate the existing garage to the eastern comer of subject property and construct a 35 ft. long retaining wall off the southern comer of same, abandon the existing sanitary structure and construct upgraded system and relocate private well. Located: Village Lane, Orient, NY SCTM#24-2-11 TRUSTEE FOSTER: Anyone here would like to speak with regard to this application? BRUCE ANDERSON: Brace Anderson for Suffolk Environmental Consulting. The important points here are we are separated by that concrete sea wall. That there is no further encroachment towards 11 the water. The main mitigation effort is to replace a cesspool that sits almost partially under the house In-ground water and to bring it into compliance in as much that is possible. With the current Health Department regulations. One thing that you should be aware of is that the well that we have located down on the southeastern comer of the property will probably be relocated to the northeastern comer of the property where you see the framed garage to be relocated. The reason for that is that the aquifers are quite thin down by the water. I would not expect an issue with this Board. But I am expecting a rather lengthy process with the Health Department. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Our concerns are the septic. BRUCE ANDERSON: The septic systems in this area are problematic up and down the whole harbor area. TRUSTEE FOSTER: It does not affect us really other than that is a Health Department issue. Everyt/fing is being moved upland basically. Are there any other comments? Being no other comments no further comments I will make a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. All Ayes I will make a Motion to approve the application for ANN MARIE KELLY for reconstruction of house relocation of septic system on the condition that the installation of roof gutters and drywells is installed for roof run-off. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES 10. Suffolk Environmental Consulting, Inc. on behalf of JOSEPH FARRELL requests a Wetland Permit to construct a 1,196 square foot +/- (Footprint) private single-family dwelling, driveway, sanitary system and private well Located: Mill Creek Drive, Southold, NY SCTM #135-03-26 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any one who would like to speak in favor of the application? BRUCE ANDERSON: Brace Anderson of Suffolk Environmental Consulting for the applicant Joseph Farrell. As you know this is a constrained lot. Not only from area stand point but also from a depth stand point. What we have done in this application is to move the house up as close to the road as feasible do it. I will tell you that this particular lay out is done will require a variance from the Zoning Board of this Town. But I have taken that gamble because I think that when the day is done the interest of wetlands protection will win the day. We have located a septic system. You will see a 12 circle there with an X that is the expansion pool the active nearest leaching pool will be ninety-five feet from the wetland boundary. Soils on this area are good. We have provided for a substantial buffer on the property. The dredge canal that fronts it. At least when I was is a mud flat and is not a shellfish harvesting area. Where the creek in general is highly productive. That septic system has been located three feet above ground water. If you go up and down the street and you look at what is there. You will see that you have similarly size houses. On similarly size lots. The houses seem to be closer to the water. Than what we are providing in this application. Also there is very little buffer to any of houses along this particular stretch of road frontage. If you look at the survey before you. You will note that the dwelling to the west has its cesspool between it and the ~vater. It is located slightly further off the road then we would be. I think this example of a regulation that works and achieves the resource protection goals that this suppose to achieve by maximizing set back. Maximize buffers suitable locating septic systems. In addition to that you should have provide service in front of you. That shows the additions of two drywells those will be standard 4x8 drywells to handle the roof run-of. I believe the best that can be done on this property with its restraints. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Just one question. Is there any possible way that you can move the septic system five feet closer to the road? To reach one hundred feet from the wetland edge. BRUCE ANDERSON: I would say this that I would be willing to. I have to go to the Health Department for a variance on this. Because I cannot meet the well separation. Do not make me put right on the hne and if you want to split the difference. Maybe make it two feet off the line. That would be helpful. It is not going to slow down my process because I am going there anyway. When I go there I will have a reason why I am doing it that will be your requirement. To put it on the line itself you are bringing other issues that will complicate that much greater benefit to the environment. So if you would condition that it be relocated - additional three foot back - from it's presently 95 to 98 feet I could certainly live with that. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Health Department criteria require five feet from the property line. BRUCE ANDERSON: I am going there any way. TRUSTEE FOSTER: They will bend any way. BRUCE ANDERSON: They should and I do not have a grading issue - with the septic system. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We have two letters fi'om two different neighbors. Is there any other comment on this application before we discuss this further? The letters that we got from area residents there were concerned about the location of the septic that was the major concern and the proximity to their wells. 13 BRUCE ANDERSON: I had a long chat with one the neighbor's I believe it is the neighbor directly west and do you have their names. There concern really is that. TRUSTEE FOSTER; Julie and Carl Pair. BRUCE ANDERSON: No TRUSTEE FOSTER: Keith and Mary Von Eiff. BRUCE ANDERSON: No I talked to someone else. But the concern is that our septic system might impact their well. At least what was expressed to me by the neighbor that did call me? So that yon know our responsibility in the Health Department process will be to relocate and or deepen their wells. I will probably be doing a test well on this property and what I am hoping to find is a deep aquifer. Because in the general area there has been clay and I am hoping that will resolve the differences. Generally speaking the direction of septic affluent is going to move towards that dredge canal. It is not going to move in a lateral distance/so we would be intending on maximizing that load. The location of adjacent wells by moving them of course away from the septic systems as much as we can and property more likely as close to the road so that septic system cannot impact an adjacent well. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I want to be up front with you. If you go through a lot of trouble to get the septic moved three feet. Go through the extra effort to get it five feet. Because I have never signed a permit with the septic system within my jurisdiction, flit is a matter of a little extra effort. You will get the signature or if it is not I do not sleep well at night. IfI start approving septic systems in protected areas that I am trying to protect. BRUCE ANDERSON: You should do what you feel you have to do. All I am saying is whether it is ninety-eight feet or one hundred feet. There is nothing magical about one hundred feet, Other than it is your jurisdiction. To me that is almost a symbolic concern. I will certainly try for it. I think it is probably wiser to make it 98 instead of 100 feet that is all I am saying. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: You say it is symbolic. I have been told through many studies that it should actually be 125 feet from the wetland's edge of septic systems. For containment systems any place that my leach. That is a large study of many areas. BRUCE ANDERSON: ffyou look at a well and septic separations. Not only in Southold. But any place especially in the hamlet areas. Where you have wells less than one hundred feet from septic systems. Sometimes down grading. It begs the question of why is it - given all the cesspools out there. Why is it that there are numerous wells? That delivers clean potable water. The reason is because the soils that surround the septic systems do an adequate job of filtration. The real study towards the septic affluent cannot really draw conclusions in those kinds of generality because you are 14 going to have various soil conditions and so forth. In this case we do have good soils. I would say if you are going to make that a condition I am going there anyway. I will be diligent in pursuing that as you well imagine. If for whatever reason I will simple have to come back. I thought that the two-foot would be a little bit more reasonable. But I will not fight you hard on it. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any other comment? KARL HAERR: My name is Karl Haerr my wife Judy and 1 am here. We did write the letter that you have received. We basically had some questions that we just wanted to know that we understood how the process works. So I understand as I am listening here there is another heating which the Health Department get involved in? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Our Board, The Board of Trustees, would issue a permit first. The Health Department operates completely independently of our Board. So they would address these issues, which normally we would not address. Because normally we try to maximize the amount of separation between the septic system and the creek. In this case they are trying to maximize the distance and they have. KARL HAEER: Is that in relation to other properties to. Is that only on their property? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No the Health Department would look at every other property in the area. Make a decision and you are welcomed to comment on that. There is going to be a heating. BRUCE ANDERSON: Yes, I was going to say the process for the Health Department is going to be such that the adjacent neighbors are going to be notified. Because any septic system we put on this property. Or any well we put on this property is going to be less than one hundred fifth feet from adjacent well or adjacent septic system. That automatically triggers a variance process with the Health Department for which the effected neighbors, specifically the adjacent neighbors will be notified. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So it is a totally separate agency. KARL HAEER: Does Southold Town have a minimize lot size that they say is acceptable for wetland. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Not that Iknow of it. This lot seems to be - your lot seems to be larger than this. But this lot seems to be consistent with other lot sizes in that area. KARL HA_ERR: Yes, I agree I was curious as to whether there was. TRUSTEE KRUPSIG: That is when we consider everything. KARL HAERR: Thank you TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I do not know if there is a lot size? BRUCE ANDERSON: Well, it is going to be a pre-existing non- conforming lot. Is what we are going to find. 15 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Are there any other comments? My only comment if you take a look at this. Is a consistent lot size with the community there? TRUSTEE POL1WODA: Sure - my ma'm concern though is the septic and the leaching affect on Arshamonaque Pond. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right - Peggy do you have any other comments? TRUSTEE DICKERSON: I have to go along with you trying to keep the septic out of the one hundred feet. I agree with Ken. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do we have to wait for Artie now? BRUCE ANDERSON: IfI may, one of the things I am not protesting too loudly is. The Town does own the right of way. So as long as the Town feels putting it on the line compromises that interests. I do not care my preference if it would be one foot off the line or two or whatever but the impacted party is the Town. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So then you would entertain a Motion to place the septic system to approve this application with a non- disturbance buffer as printed on the survey and with the drywells. Showing that the septic system placed out of our jurisdiction. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: That would work. I could not be anymore clearer with you. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any other comment on this? Do I have a Motion to close the hearing? TRUSTEE POLIWODA: So moved. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES Would someone like to make a Motion? We closed the hearing. There was some discussion about having Mr. Anderson has to go with this application before their Board of Review for the Health Department. There was some discussion as to whether we could have him maximize the set back of the septic system byplacing it out side of our jurisdiction. Of course, then it would be out of our jurisdiction. We would only be voting on the house. The clearing associated with it. BRUCE ANDERSON: One quick thought. You do have an expansion pool. I cannot do anything with the expansion pool. You have a three-bedroom house. Odds are the expansion pool will never be installed because if you look around. Very few of them are particularly in this soil condition. But, you will approve a septic system on the future expansion probably not occurring that is a requirement we cannot TRUSTEE FOSTER: They put that on there. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right BRUCE ANDERSON: The condition being the nearest active ring is one hundred feet I presume. I think that is what we are talking about. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Right 16 TRUSTEE KRUPKSI: Right - would someone like to make a Motion? TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I will make a Motion to Approve the Wetland Permit on behalf of JOSEPH FARRELL to construct a 1,196 square foot private single family dwelling with a driveway and a sanitary system that will be one hundred feet or greater from the wetland delaminating line - fifty foot non-disturbance buffer from then wetland delaminating line - Located Mill Creek Drive, Southold, NY - seconded - TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded TRUSTEE POLIWODA; Any other stipulations? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That the fifty foot buffer I do not know that is physically possible. Again ~ feel it is consistent with what is in the neighborhood. This is substantially more buffered than any where in the neighborhood. It shows about a forty-five buffer. Will be more than adequate there. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I was going to recommend that after Building and they return to a fifty-foot. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Or make it. This is like a fire breaker around the house. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Disturbance during construction. Want to call it non-turf for the first five to ten feet. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is not even five feet. I am not an advocate for building here. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: They do have fifty feet. Allow then constructing it and when going to non- disturbance after that. More or less give them a five~foot mowing for whatever. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is all it is. You have forty-three feet of non-disturbance. Then only three feet to working. I would be inclined to improve it the way the clearing line is drawn and let them work within that. TRUSTEE FOSTER: It was their application not ours. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It was non-turf on the backside. Just call it non-turf then TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Non-turf in the rear yard. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: He can mow it or rake it. No turf in it with pesticides or herbicides or whatever else. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: For fifty feet. BRUCE ANDERSON: Okay, but I was in on one of these - not too long ago. I figured you are going to have some sort of herbal growth is going to happen if you mow that is what is going to come in whether it is weeds or not. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Do you want wood chips five feet, BRUCE ANDERSON: I think wood chips really look lousy and it is a bad way of doing it. But what I could suggest. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Gravel 17 BRUCE ANDERSON: That is great if you live in Queens. But maybe more durable is simple straighten out, Let us not go with wood chips and gravel and mm it into. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Show it to Ken, because then it becomes an enforcement problem. As opposed to just having a straight line. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So it is a give and take. The buffer is going to be larger in some areas and smaller in others. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: That works. So the Motion will be the stipulation of a changed survey/plan BRUCE ANDERSON: No problem. I know what you want. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Do I have a Seconded. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES TRUCE ANDERSON: Thank you. 11. Land Use Ecological Services on behalf of CANDACE M. CORLETT requests a Wetland Permit to construct a dock facility consisting of the following 4'x79.5' fixed timber catwalk, 3'x12' ramp, and 6'x20' float catwalk is proposed to be elevated a minimum of 4' above the existing grade (10) 4"x4" timber piles are proposed to support the fixed dock landward of the AHWM and (8) 6" Dia. Timber piles are proposed to support the dock seaward of the AHWM (2) 6" Dia. Timber piles are proposed to support the float. Located: 300 Clearview Road, Southold, NY SCTM#90-4-8.2 TRUSTEE KING: Is there anyone here to comment on this application? DAN HALL: Yes my name is Dan Hall. I am with Land Use for CANDACE CORLETT in support of the application. I will answer any questions the Board may have on it. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Are there any other comments before the Board comments? The Board has any comments on this? TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Is this the one that Jim and I walked down on. Jim is this the one? We made the determination of how feet beyond the stake. TRUSTEE KING: I am not sure. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: This is not the one. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The Board did have one question. On the tax map it shows separate lots. On the survey that you submitted it shows one large lot. DAN HALL: They are separate lots. It is just a plan that we submitted. It shows both lots. They are two separate lots owned by Candace Corlett. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The plan that is submitted how would that impact the adjacent lot from having a dock? It seems to - if you 18 would look at the plan that you submitted. It would seem to block the adjacent lots. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Does the same person own them all? TRUSTEEE KRUPSKI: Apparently. TRUSTEE FOSTER: They are probably merged. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The Board's comments then where. We looked at the water depths. The water depths seemed to be rather insubstantial in that area. Through that low water. DAN HALL: Okay. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think the Board was inclined to. I do not know about a float. I think that your comments were four feet beyond the edge of the marsh? TRUSTEE POLIWODA: With the stairs. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: With the last pilings. DAN HALL: I believe it matched the facility adjacent to it. To the north as far as distance and structure. TRUSTEE I<2RUPSKI: That I do not recall TRUSTEE POLIWODA: You are looking at the fixed catwalk would end four foot. DAN HALL: What determined it that length? TRUSTEE POLIWODA: The other docks. There were three docks they're all on the same side of the creek and it all ended within one length - one with foot span. DAN HALL: The dock did but the ramp and float I think. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: So the fixed catwalk would end four feet beyond the edge of the marsh. Then you get a ramp and float sticking out. So that adds £ourteen. So thirty more feet. DAN HALL: So how much shorter than that o£what we are proposing? TRUSTEE POLIWODA: We do not measure that because we do not go out into the water on inspection. But visually the edge o£ marsh and you end the catwalk four feet beyond that. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It should show it on the plan. It would be low water. So where is the scale. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I do not think that you can call it that way. I think that you just look for the edge of marsh. DON HALL: I just wanted a distance so I do not change the plans and you say it is what I ~vas looking for. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No - wait one moment. I think - Go w/th it Ken. TRUSTEE POLIWDOA: I recommend that the end of the fixed catwalk ends no greater than four feet fi:om the edge of marsh and then add your ramp and float. What size ramp? Twelve-foot ramp and 6x20 foot float. It only affects your catwalk - you still get your ramp and floats. So you are just walking the catwalk back to the edge of the marsh. 19 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I get thirteen feet shorter catwalk- roughly thirteen feet shorter catwalk and the same ramp and float. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I also know that in the field that we commented that we did not see a need to be four feet above the marsh they're with handrails. You would be up six or seven feet in the air. We are looking at the two and half feet. TRUSTEE KING: The spartina was growing just fine under it. We measured it was thirty inches higher. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any effort made to minimize the height. DAN HALL: Okay TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You want to approve this - subject to new plans. Because you can scale it oft'here to real water. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: The only think that we are missing is the marsh fringe. If you had the marsh fringe. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Include the marsh fringe in our plans. DAN HALL: Okay TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comment? Do I have a Motion to close the Hearing? TRUSTEE POLIWODA: So moved. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded. TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALL AYES I will approve the application based upon a new plan that we discussed with the shortening of the dock - try to keep it as low as possible over the grade. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALL AYES On the picture are these handrails that are indicated here. Because there is no mention of handrails in the description. On the drawing. DAN HALL: If that is a concern will remove them. TRUSTEE KING: Sure. -You can take it off. The permit does not include handrails. Just to clarify it. TRUSTEE POL1WODA: Also like the neighboring docks please keep it low profile. All pilings cut off near grade of decking of the catwalk. 12. ROBERT & EILEEN SCHIAVETTA request a Wetland Permit for new dwelling, garage, sanitary system, pervious driveway, swimming pool and gazebo. Located: 320 Tarpon Drive, Southold, NY SCTM#57-1-3 TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Is there any one who would like to comment on this application? JEFF SEEMAN: Good evening my name is Jeff Seeman - environmental consultant for Robert & Eileen Schiavetta for this application. 20 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any other comment while we are getting out the file. This is the one that we asked Mark Terry to inspect for us. He left a note verifying the wetlands. This is not the parcel I originally thought it was. I thought it was that big mud hole around the comer. This is a different parcel. We have been to this parcel before we walked through. I have been out there twice TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It reads wetland line is correct as survey shows. Have some concerns about ground water problems. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think on something like this for the record we would like to see our standard fifty-foot wetland setback. Which in this case would not really impact the property all that much. JEFF SEEMAN: Would that justify a letter of non-jurisdiction. Did you say fifty? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No our jurisdiction is one hundred feet. So we could not give you that. TRUSTEE POL1WODA: What we are looking for is fifty foot non- disturbance from the wetland delamation line As well as one hundred foot setback from the septic system. JEFF SEEMAN: I think that we meet all those standards. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: You have that and you can easily meet a fifty-foot non-disturbance zone. Any other comments? Any Board comments? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We arejust scaling offfifty feet. It is only impacting one small comer of the property. So we can approve this tonight based on you just drawing that on there. JEFF SEEMAN: Will be happy to do that. TRUSTEE KRUPSKING: Looking at this I would rather the way the wetland line is drawn I rather see that little V taken out and make more of a smooth wetland line. Instead of putting that - instead ignore point .22 1 guess and go from 21 to 23. JEFF SEEMAN: Those are the surveyors they always like straight. I follow the contour myself. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You know what I mean. JEFF SEEMAN: I know exactly what you mean. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: No other comments. I will make a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: All in favor ALL AYES, Al, you want to make a Motion with those stipulations? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I will make a Motion to Approve the application with the condition that fifty foot non-disturbance buffer be noted on the survey- ignoring the wetland point #22 so that you have more consistent wetland line. Go from 21 to 23 and draw line here across the back comer of the property. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: All in favor. ALL AYES 21 JEFF SEEMAN: Thank you. 13. Caroline Graf on behalf of WILLIAM & SUSAN GRAF request a Wetland Permit for new deck and screened in porch with partial roof on south side of existing house - unheated. Located: 4855 Stillwater Avenue, Cutchogue, NY SCTM#137-3-8.3 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone who would like to speak in favor of the application. CAROLINE GRAF: I an~ Caroline Graf representing myself. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone else who would like to speak. I took a look at this it really straight forward deck offthe side of house. It is a turf area. If there is no other comment I will make a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES I will make a Motion to Approve the application TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES CAROLINE GRAF: Thank you. 14. DAVID P. SCHULTZ request a Wetland Permit for a catwalk, ramp and floating dock will provide the least intrusive travel over the inter-tidal zone. Located: 2745 Wickham Avenue, Mattituck, NY SCTM#139-2-3 TRUSTEE KING: Is there anyone who wishes to comment on this application? DAVID P. SCHULTZ: Good evening, I am David Schultz - this is my wife Pat. You asked for some soundings and I had Steve Pollock look into that. Then we had nor'easter. Moon tides and we cannot get realistic tide readings. Everybody is pretty much on the bottom or they are flooded. So anyway. Our proposal is to impact as little as possible on the environment. We just want to be able to get to the creek. We will be glad to build the shortest catwalk to accommodate our needs. We can give you more realistic soundings or come back. TRUSTEE KING: You want to come back with some good soundings. DAVID SCHULTZ: Sure. I will just bring it back next month. TRUSTEE KING: I will make a Motion to Table this is lieu of waiting for soundings. 22 TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALL AYES 15. Richard Saetta on behalf ofAUBREY & PRISCILLA MEALY request a Wetland Permit for demolition of existing house and construction ofnew house. Located: 310 Minnehaha Boulevard, Southold, NY SCTM#87-02~01 TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Would anyone like to comment on this application? KATHLEEN FAYETTE: Yes, I am Kathleen Fayette I am here for Aubrey & Priscilla Mealy. TRUSTEE POL1WODA: Where is this house? KATHLEEN FAYETTE: 310 Minnehaha Blvd. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I was to look at this house application. I drove around the area twice today. KATHLEEN FAYETTE: According to the Building Department that is it's location. On their mail box it actually says 460 Nakomis Road. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: That is why? I was looking for a 310. KATHLEEN FAYETTE: According to the Building Department they are 310. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I reviewed your plans in the file and I did not see a big problem with it. But, we should not issue a Permit until I actually visit the site. So right now as a Board member I do not have the inspection to it. I just need to see it. Hands on. So I will have to Table it for one month and come back by December 18th you will have a permit in your hand. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: As soon as you go over the marsh. It is right on the right hand side, TRUSTEE FOSTER: It is a long driveway. It goes up in the back. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I will look for a 460. KATHLEEN FAYETTE: 1 gave a new survey showing the hay bales. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: There is a letter- we received today in the file. I do not know if you have seen that. Regarding the location of the driveway. KATHLEEN FAYETTE: It will be staying where it is. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Maybe you should take it. It was received today, maybe you want to come in and take a look at the letter. There is some kind of issue over the driveway. It does not start on property. It starts on the adjacent property, It comes in. It starts on the road. Up at the top. We just got the letter today. TRUSTEE FOSTER: It has been there for one hundred years. Nothing is going to change. 23 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I am not saying it is going to. I just want to make it clear. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Not proposed to be. It is just there. TRUSTEE KURPSKI: We got a letter. TRUSTEE POL1WODA: Any other comments? The hearing will remain opened and I will Table it for one month. Motion to Table Do I have a Seconded. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: All in favor. ALL AYES 16. En-Consnltants, Inc. on behalf of MARIA VAMPORE GIOCOLI request a Wetland Permit to construct a fixed timber dock, consisting ora 4'x 9' inclined ramp 4'x 56' fixed catwalk 3'x14' hinged ramp and 6'x20' float secured by (2) 8" diameter pilings. Located: 235 Private Road #3, Southold, NY SCTM#70-6- 11 ROB HERRMANN: I am Rob Herrmann of En-Consultants on behalf of the applicant. The application is for a floating dock that is bit of a tight squeeze, but is essential to be located between two other existing docks. The one to the west currently has a fixed dock. That would extend farther out than the fixed portion of the dock that is being proposed. The entire dock would actually be set a bit closer to the upland than the dock to the east. We are extending the dock out far enough to reach two and half feet of water. If the Board has any questions I will be happy to answer them. TRUSTEE I<2RUPSKI: You need the plan. Is there any other comment on this application? The Board was considering when we were there in light of the restraints of the property and the location of the existing structures with the neighbors. We are looking something for a much shorter structure with a pole with a mooring pile - tie up pile - straight out. Somewhat adjacent. The mooring pile would be in the same location. As the end of neighbor's pile. The structure would go out as far as the first pole. Is that we discussed. The catwalk would go to the first pole. Even with the neighbor's first pole. Then they would have a mooting pile out to the end of the neighbor's dock. ROB HERRMANN: They do have a boat that is moored there now. The whole purpose of the application is to have a dock structure. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: They have a dock. Catwalk out even with the neighbor's first pole. But beyond that it would be just a pile. Then they would have to back it in. Stem in to get into the boat Because there is such a tight area. They only have a few feet of waterfi:ont as it is. 24 ROB HERRMANN: I am not sure how - aside from the issue of preventing them from putting a dock out. I am not sure what you are suggesting would eliminate the problem that exists. In other words if they are going to dock a boat in that location particularly if they are docking on the east side of the float. Actually it is extending the dock out would seem to me to accomplish exactly what you are asking us to accomplish by doing something else. In other words we are getting a structure that would extend farther out than the dock to the west. So that the boat dockage could actually occur in deep enough water. Away from the fixed dock structure. At the same time not interfere with navigation at all. There is no navigational concern here. Because of the location of the other docks. The shoreline runs at an angle and if you ran a line from the fixed dock to the west. To the fixed dock to the east the Safir dock. The adjacent owner you are basically staying a pier line from the shore. So if you were just going to put a pile out and have a dock in the same location. You are still trying to dock a boat in the same location. I do not see what it accomplishes. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Minus the ramp and the float. Minus the width of that and that structure that is actually physically there. Maybe you do not understand what. ROB HERRMANN: Maybe I do not. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Can you come up here and I ~vill draw it for you. I will mark up yom' plan. Norn~ally we have the policy that the dock should be 15 feet off the property line. That is a policy. But in this case we thought maybe we could squeeze something in and not have an impact. This is the proposed dock. A catwalk to here. Then a pole out to here - even with that. The boat to be moored in here. In this area here and not impact, ROB HERRMANN: How does docking the boat here improve upon if the dock where more here. Except here it is actually moored in deeper water. So it will not be sitting on the bottom. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well, right now it is being moored where right here. This would actually move it out. ROB HERRMANN: They are trying to move it out in line with the neighboring structures. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But this moves it out further. And add all that extra structure. ROB HERRMANN: What would that interfere with. In other words why is that any different from the same rights that are being enjoyed by the two neighbors? TRUSTEE KRUPISKI: They only have a very limited amount of water. ROB HERRMANN: What is the correlation between how much water front they own and the location of this float. That is what I am asking.. 25 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is out there. That is further out. They just drew the line. ROB HERRMANN: It is not out there as far as the Safir dock. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: The land is jotted out more on that one. ROB HERRMANN: That is right. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Do you know when the Safer dock was permitted? ROB HERRMANN: No I do not. Is that a rhetorical question? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think so. ROB HERRMANN: Either way it is there. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is not that the Safir dock that is really is a problem I think it is the other dock here to the east. We are trying to work around. ROB HERRMANN: The neighbor's poles are basically right on line. So I do not know - as far as the fifteen foot off-set and this dock is encroaching on the subject parcel So that is why we are trying to get out rather a stink with the neighbor's saying that your piles are really encroaching into our repair and access area. We are just trying to extend the dock out. Rather than argue the applicant's right to work out. The same as the adjacent parcels have worked out. Rather than have an argument. I am really trying to understand substantly how jamming the boat in here in five or six inches of water. Right next to these mooring piles is a better idea. Than extending the float out. Where there is no interference with either structure. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: When did you do the sounding? We were there we could not see bottom. We had to figure that there were three or four feet of water there. ROB HERRMANN: The soundings were done at 12:50 p.m. on June 18th at low tide. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We were on the site last week and we are on neighbor's dock not the Safir dock the other dock. We did find a substantial amount of water there. ROB HERRMANN: Where you there at low tide? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It was almost low tide. ROB HERRMANN: We can go back. It will be a lot harder to do it. TRUSTEE KRUSKI: I think that we have to go back Because I thin that the Board is really felt that this is pretty workable solution. That they would have a dock and be able to use their boat and not really extend further into the creek. You know that we try to minimize whether there were no dock there at all. ROB HERRMANN: The problem is that we are going to be showing. I can get a scale and give you what the water depth is at that point. Or was at that point on that date. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Let us go look at in the field. 26 ROB HERRMANN; You want to do that. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes, ROB HERRMANN: Because my problem is if I propose again not just for the example and use. But ifI propose a dock that is essentially going to show a boat being docked in five inches of water. Then that pretty much touches it up to a no win situation with the DEC. So I do not have any response back from DEC on this yet. So maybe they will come back with some yet different solution. TRUSTEKK KRUPSKI: But there most recent solution is been to allow just catwalk with stairs. ROB HERRMANN: Only if you can reach a reasonable water depth, which are two and half feet. Within a line that is consistent with navigation with the adjacent dock. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You do not show that? ROB HERRMANN: We do show that. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The very end shows two and half feet. Not the whole float. ROB HERRMANN: You extend it farther. But I was trying to avoid doing that. So we would not be. So if he just draw a line between the two docks. I was trying to stay as consistent with that as possible. That is pretty much the line that you drew. So you are hitting two and half feet at that point. So rather than going out any farther. I stopped it there to stay in line with the other dock. I thought the Board would say that is wonderful they are staying with the other docks. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think that we better met on the site. I think that we will stand on our recommendation. ROB HERRMANN: I can pass it on to the applicant. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Please do. We think it is a workable compromise there. ROB HERRMANN: What I could do. We could bring a kayak and then ifI could meet you I can go out in the kayak. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is so close to the neighbors. ROB HERRMANN: I would not risk. Showing soundings from an adjacent site as representative of this site. Even if logic dictates it as true. Because they would crucify us. Say that we fortify the soundings. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Bring all of your equipment. ROB HERRMANN: We will have to bring something and figure it out. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is what we referenced it off. We walked down to the neighbors's dock and we walked all the way out. ROB HERRMANN: One of the problems is doing that is where ever a boat is moored against the dock is going to be deeper than 27 any where else beause the engining is going to blo~ving the silt off the bottom. So it is definitely going to deeper. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We did measure. ROB HERRMANN: Because if measure it is gong to be deeper at the end o£that dock. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We visually looked at whole length it was deeper. So we will meet your there on the 11th. I will make a Motion to Table. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES 17. En-Consultants, Inc. on behalf of STRONG'S MARINE request a Wetland Permit to remove and replace (in-place) approximately 288 linear feet of existing timber bulkhead with vinyl bulkhead and backfill with approximately 200 cubic yards of clean sand to be trucked in from an upland source. Maintenance dredge an area up to 20' off bulkhead to a maximum depth of-5' ALW and track approximately 150 cubic yards of resultant spoil to an approved upland site Located: 2306 Camp Mineola Road, Mattituck, NY SCTM# 122-9-6.2 & 122-4-44.2 ROB HERRMANN: Rob Herrmann of Eh-Consultants on behalf of Strong's Marine and Peggy for you benefit we once upon a time a few years ago. Introduced this as a very straightforward application. At which time we set off on a venture of resolving a violation in the area where we were going. We were going to be proposing the spoil disposal, which at time a couple years ago the Board had expressed objections to. That it did not seem that you would likely back off from. So we essentially revised the project proposal from placing the soil onto Tefano Property and trucking the spill off site. Which is what the Board had mentioned a couple of years ago. You would rather see. I do not know if your visited the area. So that work was done so unless there are any questions in association with that what is basically before you. Is maintenance dredging off of all the areas of the slips ands replacement of the bulk heading with vinyl sheathing, which was the straightforward part of the application? A while ago. MILTA ANNUNZIATA: My name is Milta Armunziata I live at 2403 Camp Mineola Road Extension which I believe is typo - The road is now called Camp Mineola Road Extension. To get to my house. Mr. Strong and I share an easement and it is a little easement where you go into the marina after the speed bumps we share the entire easement to get to my house. You have to make a left at the boat slip that little area there is riddled with potholes and basically I am just concerned about the project because I have to get in and out 28 of my house. I. live here year round and I am concerned about vehicles and machines and trailers and I am just really interested in to knowing how does he intend with a little area to replace them. I do not have a problem with him replacing them. He has to operate his business and I understand and respect that. ~just have a concern getting in and out of my house. ROB HERRMANN: Unfortunately I do not know how capable I am of responding to that. Maybe if you could show the easement area. Your concern is that there are areas on the paved. MILTA ANNUNZIATA: In order to get to the area, which you are intending to replace. You are replacing the opposite side that you did a couple years ago. ROB HERRMANN: We are replacing the bulk heading. MILTA ANN~ZIATA: So you are doing the other side. TRUSTEE K1NG: I think he is out here towards the travelers lift at the other end. MILTA ANNUZIATA: Where is he replacing it? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would you like to take a look? MILTA ANNUZIATA: So this area he should not be able to have to block in any which way. With regard to machinery or anything like that. I am back here. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Do you still have problems on the weekend with cars and trailers and trucks in the way? I know you had a lot of trouble getting to your house there. MILTA ANNUZIATA: I think that is a private matter with Mr. Strong and myself I have problems with the boats on the left. He puts boat there and I am going to address it to him privately. Basically I hope that he does move. It is a fifth foot right of way easement that I am supposed to have which I do not. Unfortunately these are things that we have to discuss privately. It is supposedly a private road and then it was not private anymore because the Town took it over and then it was private again. Then I got Legislator Curricula involved and Jean Cochran at the time. We were able to name the road. Because I had a problem getting a policeman to my house. Because no one knew where I was. So then they finally named Camp Mineola Road Extension. Which I did not understand why because you have to make right to get to my house. Getting off Camp Mineola Road entirely. But at least got a name. So I was happy about that. So ifI pick up the phone the police will be able to find me. Since I do have two small children I was just a little concerned about that. I found it a little strange when the policeman called me - where are you. Basically I sometimes have a problem getting in and out of my house. That little area there on the right is the water on the left is my mother-in-law propriety. The Dunns I think. On the right is the water. So I only have a little bit of area there. That is the area that I am concerned about. 29 ROB HERRMANN: My understand of the project area it should not be a problem, Jeffis pretty reachable guy. MILTA ANNUNZIATA: No he is ROB HERRMANN: If there is a problem or you have any concerns I am sure that he would address it. While the project is undergoing. I will mention to him that you were here and that you expressed that concern. MILTA ANNUZIATA: That is the only concern I had. Thank you- Good evening. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: One question that I had - is there anyway of containing that silt during the dredging operation. It seems like pretty extensive project. Is there any way of putting it as silt barrior? ROB HERRMANN: We can actually put in. Silt retention fencing which the Department of State and Corp. of Engineer's require as a matter of course we hardly ever show it on the plan but the Department of State does require it as part of consistency certification process. So that will be part of what they are doing. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: This will be one big job. TRUSTEE KING: Any Idea of where they approved up-land sites for the spoils? ROB HERRMANN: No I do not know - but I can find out. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Any co~ranents from the Boards? I will make a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: All in favor. ALL AYES I will make a Motion toe Approve on behalf of Strong's Marina request for Wetland Permit to remove and replace approximately 288 linear feet of existing timber bulkhead with vinyl bulkhead and backfill with approximately 200 cubic yards of clean sand to be trucked in from an upland sourer Maintenance dredge an area up to 20' offbulkhead to a maximum dept of 5' ALW and truck approximately 150 cubic yards of resultant spoiled to any approved upland site with a silt retention fencing. Do I have a seconded? TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: All in favor. ALL AYES ROB HERRMANN: Thank you. 18. Patricia C. Moore, Esq. on behalf of JOANNA & DENNIS LANE requests a Wetland Permit to construct a timber dock (3'x40') min. 3' above grade, ramp (3'x12') float (6'x20') Located: 1852 North Bayview Road, Southold, NY SCTM#70-12-39.4 PATRICIA MOORE: Actually, I am Patricia Moore I have Mr. & Mrs. Lane here because I understood that you had some recommendation on location. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Ken would like to open the hearing? 30 TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Would anyone like to comment on thus application? PATRICIA MOORE: Yes fi:om your field inspection that you had some comments or recommendations as the location. We have all the soundings in front of the property. So with my client's here. We were tying to move the process along and hopefully if you could relate to me what your recommendation where? They are here and would like to talk about it. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Some time last year I do now when. But we walked this whole parcel and we had a heck ora time. We had a request for a dock then and with that waterfront trying to find a suitable location for a dock. PATRICIA MOORE: I am not aware of it from my client's I do not know. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No it was for someone else. PATRICIA MOORE: Berkowitz has a dock next door and it looked relatively new. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No this was the property. We looked it over trying to find - because there is a substantial amount of water. PAT1L[CI MOORE: The previous owners were Reed. They sold it. There they are Mr. & Mrs. Lanef The reason we suggested placement here because there is break in all the wetlands emd the property does cove a bit. So that we were trying to place it in a position where intrusive to both the canal as well as impact on the wetlands. We were talking about the possibility we straighten it out a bit if you like. Yes de [the there are pretty good. It drops very quickly. Where we proposed it we have two six and then it drops down to four two. So there is some room for movement. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Ken what were your recommendations? I think we wanted to see it staked. PATRICIA MOORE: We did stake it. I checked with Bob Fox because I knew I had asked him and he did do it. He said he did with a- how do you describe it with lave. But he had done it several days before and you had storms in between. It is possible that it was lost. But it is identical in size to Beckowitz a little bit shorter because of its placement. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI; No it is a difficult spot because of some reason. Navigation wise it is a big concern there. TRUSTEE POL1WODA: I believe it was because it was pristine. there wasn't any docks really you could judge off of. It was going to be extensively long. PATRICIA MOORE: This - the dock next-door Beckowitz is certainly longer and it is right in the same. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is kind of behind the bridge abutment. He is tucked in there nicely. 31 TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I am on the wrong time fi:me. I am picturing a whole different part of the creek. PATRICIA MOORE. Well that is good. I have photographs if you like. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We thought that location was the best one for the whole property. If we can find the exact spot that it could tucked in there. PATRICIA MOORE: It seemed to me that I was told that you wanted to shift it around a little bit. The thoug~ht was that we might be able to straighten it out as long as we maintain the depth. We might have to judge length and ramp based on getting the end result. But the ramp can be adjusted where exactly in the cut. There is a schrub right to the north of this dock. Let me show you the photograph because it will show it really clearly. If we remove that shrub we have. I will show you the dock right here - there is scrub to the north of it - Beckowitz is right over here. If we remove that scrub. We can move it over somewhat. We were trying to keep the vegetation. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think that we thought the way you had it staked upland was the best location. PATRICIA MOORE: We can straighten it a bit. If you take this and straighten a little bit. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I think that we should have this staked. Before we make a decision especially with a boat on the out side on the outside. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Eight foot beyond the proposed. See where the boat would be. The boat is going to stick. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: There is a navigational concern. Because at this point it would be more than 1/3rd across. PATRICIA MOORE. It should not be. Because it is pretty long over here. TAPE CHANGE Then you got the bridge. TRUSTEE FOSTER: It may not be a 1/3rd Ken. The channel seems to be on the west end - side. It is shallow across there. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: There seems to be some racks right against the shore. PATRICIA MOORE: Do you know whose racks? TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Someone put oyster cages in. MR. LANE: I do not think that is any official thing. I think it just there. PATRICIA MOORE: I think that they are very generously using the property and they are not ours. TRUTEE KRUPSLI: No it is Town property. PATRICIA MOORE: I will try to have it staked again. But given the storms. 32 MR. LANE: I think those cages are just full of the shells. I do not think that there is anything alive in there. TRUSTEE POL1WODA: They are all dead MR. LANE: It just looks like shells to me. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is shallow water. I will make a Motion to Table the apphcation for Joann & Dennis Lane. All in favor. ALL AYES PATRICIA MOORE: We will try again. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Feel free to meet us on the site. It is next month. December 11th. PATRICIA MOORE: We will do our best to met there. 19. Patricia C. Moore, Esq. on behalf of NAMROG HOLDING CORP. request a Wetland Permit for second story addition over existing structure - replacement of sanitary - (only if required by Health Department). Located: 1935 Laurel Way Mattituck, NY SCTM# 121-4-22 TRUSTEE KING; Is there anyone like to comment on this application? PATRICIA MOORE: This is a pretty self-explanatory. They are renovating the house and putting a second story over the existing structure. Mr. Gorman is here and it is Laurel Lake there is very little development because most of the land has been acquired though the county. For the most part it is the existing houses or the ones that are the applications that you see. I do not believe there are many lots remaining there. TRUSTEE KING: I looked it and it is a second story addition. The footprint isn't going to change at all. The only question that I had is about the fill? But when I talked to the owner. It was only going to be excavation for new sanitary systems put in. PATRICIA MOORE: We hope that is not going to be the case. But the Building Department may actually require us to go to the Health Department and they require new sanitary. TRUSTEE KING: That is the Health Department. It is right close to the lake. A big wooden patio and deck and I cannot see it having any impact on the area. It is already fully developed. What about drywells for runoffyou think you need them. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: If you want to put them on put them on. TRUSTEE KING: Would not hurt anything we add drywells and gutters for the roof run-off. PATRICIA MOORE: That is drywells that is not a problem. TRUSTEE KING: Any other comments? Any comments from the Board? Do I have a Motion to close the Heating? TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded. 33 TRUSTEE KING All in favor. ALL AYES TRUSTEE KING: I will make a Motion to Approve the application. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALL AYES PATRICIA MOORE: Your condition on this permit will be drywells. TRUSTEE KING: Drywells for the run-off. PATRICIA MOORE: Thank you. 20. Jennifer Gould, Esq. on behalf of SUZANNE EGAN request a Wetland Permit and Coastal Erosion Permit to construct on bluff to beach stairway on vacant land with accessory storage building. Located: 37415 Main Road, Orient, NY SCTM#20-01-3.003 TRUSTEE FOSTE: Any comments on this application? JENNIFER GOULD: Yes I am Jennifer Gould I representing Suzanne Egan. Just to correct one thing the tax map number has changed. This parcel has been set off and combined. Every time a Tax Map comes out there is a new number for the parcel it is 3.7 as opposed 3.3 do you have any questions? TRUSTEE FOSTER: How did they get an accessory building on a piece of vacant land? JENNIFER GOULD: What it is if you look at the big survey of the overall parcel. There is a parcel that is subject to the sale of development rights and that is the vacant parcel. But it really is all one parcel. This is just one Board we have to go to. I have to go to the Land Preservation Committee as well because they have to approve any permit. And the DEC. But that is what this and it is an old cabana up there. TRUSTEE FOSTER: No I looked at. I do not have any problem with it. It is kind of straightforward. The stairs close. It is not really not high above the bluff at all. Any other comments? Any Board comments? I will make Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: seconded. TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES I will make a Motion to Approve the application. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES 21. Garrett A. Strang, Architect on behalf of JOSEPH & THERESE CIAMPA request a Wetland Permit to construct an addition to the residence, install an in-ground swimming pool with a stone terrace, add an extension to the existing dock with a catwalk and float and a 34 stone path access. Located: 650 Beachwood Lane, Southold SCTM#70-10-56 TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Would anyone like to speak? GARRETT STRANG: Yes, good evening Garrett Strang representing the applicant Joseph & Teresa Ciampa. This is a continuous from last month. I am sure that you remember. We have made some modifications subsequent to our last presentation before the Board. Most importantly we have withdrawn any modifications to the dock. So we are leaving the dock as it presently is. Which I think that is what the Board had asked us to consider. We have in fact considered that. So that will be withdrawn from this application. As far as altering that dock I believe the Board has to take some action on that dock because I think it was built not in keeping with what the Board had previously approved from the prior owner. That is an open issue with the Board on that existing dock. But we are not going to alter it at all. We are going to leave it "as is". As the Board requested we have in fact done the research and located and shown on the map you now have in front of you. The septic system and the well, which we suspected, were in the front yard. With respect to the elevated screened porch on the east side of the building. We have reduced it in size now down 10x12 and shifted the east side of it. So that it is 15 feet away from the property line, which is keeping with the covenants and restrictions of the community. We shifted the swimming pool a little bit so that it to will be 15 feet from the property line. As the Board requested. We showed the footprint of the neighbor to the east. The neighboring house to the east on the site plan that is before you. So I do not know if the Board has any other questions. I will be happy to address them at this time. TRUSTEE FOSTER: How on earth are you going to access this property. If anything ever happens here. If you have to get any kind of machinery. You got eight feet - 8.9 feet - you have four on the other side? Unbelievable. I guess you are going to ZBA after you get out of here. GARRETT STRANG: We are going to ZBA We have no other alternative for the location of the swimming pool other than what is shown there. That obviously will be an action by the ZBA as well. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Anyone else here to speak to this application? PATRICIA MOORE: As you recall I represent the neighbor to the east side. Which is the side where the screened in porch is. We thank them for moving it over away fi:om the property line. My client makes the point that if you are going to grant this screened porch to be 23 feet from the water. She hopes that you will have more consideration if she wishes to expand because she eventually will come in for a renovation to her house. It has al~vays been my 35 belief you try to keep structures away from the back of the property. So if you are granting this you are setting a president that we hope that you will recognize neighboring properties that will want to do the same thing. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comment? TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Any Board comment? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I never thought I say this but I agree with Pat. I agree with the encroachment issue. It has always been our policy to try to keep the houses in line and not have them encroach the problem. Because you will get a leapfrog affect. Then it becomes a problem overall. I do not have a problem with the pool or any of the landscaping what not. The encroachment of the buildings and it just came up two month. We had a problem in Mattituck on Depot Creek. It reinforced what I felt about this. Everything should be made to be kept in line as much as possible. GARRETT STRANG: I would agree the only situation is if you look at the key make on the site plan. You can notice that there is an odd configuration to the cove that is created there. We are the worst part of it with respect to this. So all the other houses as you go east of the neighbor that Pat represents~ Because the lay of the land is such or coming out a little bit further than we are at this point. From the site inspection I thought that there might have become more apparent. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Even taking that into consideration I really do not see that encroachment. I do not know how the rest of the Board looking at it. A 12x10 porch is not really a big unusable space TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I would rather see the porch go on top of the deck and it would like a more appropriate position. GARREET STRANG: Well the idea the porch in its location is that it is private screened room off the master bedroom. For the master bedroom use exclusively. It is not meant to be a public congregating area. So if you put on the deck. It is now accessible to the living parts of the house. I do not know if there is size that the Board would fred acceptable if we could reduce somewhat. But again it is meant to be private little sitting area off the master bedroom exclusively for that use. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well personally I object to it because you are limited by the property itself. You are limited in what you can do with it. Because of the size of the property. It is not a large parcel not even a half-acre and I would rather not see the encroachment. TRUSTEE K1NG: I agree. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Artie TRUSTEE FOSTER: What? TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Minus the porch 36 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI; Drywells GARRETT STRANG: We can put drywells in the front yard We have room in the front yard for drywells. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I also have a recommendation on the stone path. That it contains it's own drainage. I do not want to see the entire stone path running all the drainage into the marsh and into the creek. GARRETT STRANG: So what you are looking at is some kind ora drainage system - drywells or something. TRUSTE POL1WODA: Who ever build the stone path. GARRETT STRANG: PUt a gutter or somettfing. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Just contain itself. Do not have it running off into the creek. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Do we need new plans without the porch? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Definitely-which will also show the drywells. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Just to make sure, did I ask know one else to speak to this application. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: No TRUSTEE DICKERSON: I will make a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: All in favor. ALL AYERS I will make a Motion on behalf of Joseph & Therese Ciampa to accept the Wetland Permit to construct an addition to the residence, install an in-ground swimming pool with a stone terrace - Extension to the existing deck is that the porch that I am talking about? GARRETT STRANG: The screened porch on the east side of the house is a proposed screened porch that is now being disallowed. So that will be removed from the site plan. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Put the catwalk float and stone path? GARRETTT STRANG: The catwalk, float is going to remain As presently exists. Un~altered. TRUSTEE KRUPSK~: Is this including a permit for that? GARRETT STRANG: Well this Board brought to my attention - last meeting - that the dock that presently exists as is apparently deviates from that which was permitted to the previous owner and built by the previous owner. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is this a request - did you incorporate this present dock into the request. Yes you did. So this will leave the dock as is. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: To approve what exists now. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Put it on the survey. GARRETT STRANG: It is on there as is. It is shown presently on the survey you have in front of you. As it exists and noted as such. 37 TRUSTEE DICKERSON: The stipulations were a drainage system for the stone path and no screened in porch - new plans showing that. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: All in favor. ALL AYES 22. Garrett A. Strang, Architect on behalf of THOMAS MALONEY requests a Wetland Permit for proposed addition to existing residence including deck, stone terrace and wall; catwalk and dock relocate septic system. Located: 1475 Smith Drive North, Southold, NY SCTM#76-02-03 TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Anyone would like to comment on this application? GARRETT STRANG: Garret Strang representing the Maloney's. As the application reads we are proposing additions and alteration to the existing house. Which are inclusive of the decking and stone terraces of grade. So decorative landscape - decorative wall of course the most important issue here is the catwalk, boardwalk, ramp and float. Of course the application includes the relocation of the existing septic system. Which will be moved further away from the wetland or the edge of the creek. If they're any questions of the Board? TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Was it staked when you saw it? TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I do not remember. The house itself is self-explanatory. The project itself. I cannot recall it was staked or not. GARRETT STRANG: We did not stake it at this time TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Did you look at this? GARRETT STRANG: As Mr. Krupski has noted it was pretty self-evident. As to where things were going to go based on the footprint of the house. The stonewall is pretty much is in the line of the edge of the brush and the woodland exists. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: We had questions about the dock and the length. And how it would extend out into a narrow canal. You have a note Jim? TRUSTEE KING: Yes, I have is reducing the size. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Right. We are looking for the length and at the marsh. GARRETT STRANG: The dock and at the edge of marsh. 38 TRUSTEE POLIWODA: The fixed catwalk and then you have a ramp and float just as the neighboring docks do. GARRETT STRANG: That is what we had proposed because the neighbor immediately to the east here we are trying to replicate exactly what they have. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It just did not seem like it matched. It looked like it would extend further. I would as the fixed catwalk will end at the edge of marsh. The ramp and float right there. GARRETT STRANG: I have no challenge with that. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: God it is very narrow. GARRETT STRANG: It is a very narrow creek at that point. The channel in there must be quite small. TRUSTEE POLIWODA; Any other Board comments? Anyone else have a comment? On this application. Any Board comments? Looking at the plans. TRUSTEE KRUPKh I do not know if you need hay bales because you are building a wall. Backfilling behind it. I would think. GARRETT STRANG: Actually we are probably not going to be doing any backfilling with respect to that wall is directive. It is a dry laid stonewall part of the landscaping fixture. The terrace is going to be on grade. So we are really not filling in anything there. TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Are you putting a foundation under the house? GARRETT STRANG: Under the house itself yes. That is part of the project. Because there isn't there one there now. TRUSTEE KRU7PSKh Maybe we could have a row of hay bales during construction. GARRETT STRANG: That certainly is not a challenge at all, TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Staked row of hay bales. Not the whole length of the property. Just in front of project. Drywells for roof run-off. Elevation enough for drywells. GARRETT STRANG: Yes we are pretty high at that point. We are above elevation ten, based upon the Suffolk County map. So there should be no problem there with drywells at all. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So that was the only concern I had there. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: No other comments? I will make a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: All in favor. ALL AYES I will make a Motion to Approve the Wetland Permit for THOMAS MALONEY which includes the addition to the residence - stone terrace wall - catwalk which will end at the edge of the marsh with a ramp and float extending beyond that - relocate the septic systems and there will be roof-run- off drywell systems also included - hay bale line included during construction. TRUSTEE DICKFRSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: All in favor. ALL AYES GARRETT STRANG: Thank you very much have a good night. 23. David Corwin on behalf of WILLIAM & ROBERTA JAKLEVIC requests a Wetland Permit to remove 186 linear feet of deteriorated timber bulkhead - construct in same location - 186 linear feet of new vinyl sheet bulkhead dredge approximately 40 cubic yards of lost fill - reta'm dredge spoil behind bulkhead. Located: 900 Old Harbor Road, New Suffolk, NY SCTM#117-5- 21.1 TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Who would like to speak to this application? DAVID CORWiN: Good evening my name is David Corwin if you have any questions I will try to answer them. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: I looked at this afternoon. Does anyone have any comments? TRUSTEE POLIWODA: How did it look in the canal could you see the bottom? TRUSTEE DICKERSON: No it is very good - in kind and in place. TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Normally on an application like this we only send one person. Because it was pretty straightforward. We also like to recommend a non-turf buffer after construction - ten foot wide - non-turf buffer. Some people put gravel some people plant it with a different native species that will 4O live there. We do not want to see turf grasses right up the bulkhead. DAVID CORWIN: I am sure that we can do that. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is a disturbed area I do not know if anyone else has any other comments. That was pretty straightforward. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: No TRUSTEE DICKERSON: I will make a Motion to Close the Hearing. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES TRUSTEE DICKERSON: I will make a Motion to Approve David Corwwin on behalf of WILLIAM & ROBERTA JAKLEVlC for a Wetland Permit to remove 180 linear feet of deteriorated timber bulkhead - construct in same location- 156 linear feet of new vinyl sheet bulkhead dredge approximately 40 cubic yards of lost fill - retain dredge spoil behind bulkhead with a ten foot non-turf buffer- Seconded TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: All in favor. ALL AYES 24. Thomas W. Cramer Consulting Group on behalf of MARJORIE & MARTIN DUNN requests a Wetland Permit to construct a 59' retaining wall and 16'x32'inground pool - swimming pool is 64.5' from tidal wetlands- remove existing portion driveway. Located: 1570 Ole Jule Lane, Mattituck, NY SCTM#122-04-03 IRUSTE[ FOSTER: Anyone to speak on behalf of this application? THOMAS GRAMER: Good evening my name is Thomas Gramer principal of the firm of Thomas W. Gramer Gonsulting Group. With offices in Miller Place. Given the hour I will not go through a full presentation. We are proposing a swimming pool in the side yard with a retaining wall adjacent to that. The swimming pool and the retaining wall will go in the area approximately where there is an existing driveway. The driveway itself right now slopes down to the wetlands all the run-off goes into the wetlands with the swimming pool and the retaining wall the way it is located will be eliminating existing paving closer to the wetlands and the square footage of the pool and deck area is approximately the same in fact it 41 is about one hundred feet less square feet than the current driveway. The way it is laid out. There is one minor addition we would like to make to this plan at this time. If the Board would consider it. We would like a 10x20 foot sunscreen trellis area, Immediately adjacent to the house, In the area on your plan it says concrete. It would just a trellis area on top of the existing concrete that we are proposing. That serves two purposes not just for shade. In the area but also in tying the swimming pool together with the house. We will be able to avoid going to a variance through the Board of Appeals. For side yard set back. If the Board has any questions? I would be glad to try to answer them. TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I would just like to see a small drywell for the back wash of the pool. THOMAS CRAMER: That is fine. No problem. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Any other comments? Board comments? I will make a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES I will make a Motion to Approve the application with the stipulations of drywell for backwash is installed. Row of staked hay bales out side the construction line. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES THOMAS CRAMER: Could you include the sunscreen the trellis also? TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Why not provide us - we will put it into the description but supply us with a plan that shows that. THOMAS CRAMER: Surely. TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I think it was intention to include that. Give us a plan showing that and that is fine. THOMAS CRAMER: Very good thank you - Good night. 25. ALPHA CONSULTING on behalf of ANTItONY DANIELE for a Wetland Permit to re-construct in place approximately 162 linear feet of existing bulkhead with 8"x 10' piles, C-Loc Vinyl Sheathing and 6"x6" Wales. Located: 990 Koke Drive, Southold, NY SCTM#87-05-09 TRUSTEE FOSTER: Is there anyone to speak about this application? Did he resubmit another drawing? 42 TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Did he bring anything in this week - Charlotte? CHARLOTTE CUNNINGHAM: No he did not. TRUSTEE FOSTER: This doesn't even show what he proposed. TRUSTEE KRUPSKh After we were out there we told him instead of taking this off take it off all the way to here. But I guess he did not like that idea. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Yes he did and I told him to put on a piece of paper. This is September 28th; he did not submit any thing. TRUSTEE KRUPKSh Just let us approve this one TRUSTEE KING: He can come in and amend it if he wants. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Because he did want to do it. Do I have a Motion to close the hearing? TRUSTEE KRUPSKh We still have to know were the fill is going to go. (Baby crying) CATHERINE MESlANOI: Can I make a request that Mr. Nicolazzi be heard first since he is kind of delayed here. He has a way also to travel. TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I was going to suggest that. This here has bogged us down. This Danielle application. TRUSTEE FOSTER: I am reading it. Trying to find out where the fill is supposed to go? TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Let us just move on. He has to show it - we can approve it and show us before he gets the permit. TRUSTEE FOSTER: I made a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES 1 will make a Motion toe Approve the application of ANTHONY DANIELE for a Wetland Permit to re-construct in place approximately 162 linear feet if existing bulkhead with the stipulation that he must identify his spoil site prior to starting the work. TRUSTEE POLIWODA; Seconded. TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES (Baby still crying) 43 26. Catherine Mesiano Inc. on behalf of HELEN DIDRIKSEN request a Wetland Permit to construct a 4'x 15' timber dock 3'xl 2' ramp and 6'x20' float secured with 4 10" diameter piles. Located: Robinson Road, Southold, NY SCTM#81-1-g&10 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: is there anyone who would like to speak in favor of the application? CATHERINE MESIANO: Catherine Mesiano on behalf of the applicant. We met at the site - maybe I should back up here to request a dock - floating dock and ramp and the re- construction of the existing wood deck. After our site inspection and the trustee's comments we revised the plan. Pursuant to your comments and that is for your consideration. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is exactly what we asked for. Is there any other comment? NEIGHBOR: I do not know what the changes are? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Take a look. That is what we asked for NEIGHBOR: No I am Andrea - we bought the other piece of their property. I am Andrea Koehler I am an adjacent neighbor. They made it parallel- like it had been pre- existing. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is correct. MRS. KOEHLER: That is what we wanted, TRUSTEE KRUPSKh That is what the Board requested. MRS. KOEHLER: You can keep that for the next application we are going to talk about. That is all that we were looking for. So is there anyway we can get a copy. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Come in tomorrow and get a copy. I will make a Motion. MRS. KOEHLER: Can I ask you why you ask them to do this? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Because it is consistent with the dock - Mrs. Zupa dock and so it is consistent with that part of the spacing. Do I have a Motion toe close the hearing? TRUSTEE DICKERSON: So moved. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKh All in favor. All Ayes. 44 I will make a Motion to Approve the application of HELEN DIDRIKSEN with the amended plan. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES 27. Catherine Mesiano Inc. on behalf ofRONALD & KRIS HERMANCE request a Wetland Permit to construct a 4'x28' fixed timber dock, 4'x12' ramp, 6'x20' float secured with 4 10" diameter piles. Located: 240 Briar Lane, Southold, NY SCTM#81-1-16.8 TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Would anyone like to comment on the application? CATHERINE MESIANO: Catherine Mesiano on behalf of the applicant. Again we met at the site. You appeared to have no objections and if you have any questions at this time. I am prepared to answer them. TRUSTEE POLIWODA; Thank you - yes - MRS. KOEHLER: Andrea Koehler the only thing that is not on the application. We fully support his right to have a dock and everything. The only thing is - is that there are no exact distance measurements. We are in the process of getting a survey of the whole basin. So we can always be on the same page. I think it might be critical that from the Boyd property line out to the entrance to the channel. We were thinking that the maximum that dock could be was to the half waypoint or it might cause so the ingress traffic. We do not see a distance written where this dock is placed? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: There is a cross section of the plan. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It looks like TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It shows about six feet out is the catwalk and then the ramp and the float. MRS. KOEHLER: I mean the distance from along the property where it exactly will be. From the other properties. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Where the stakes are horizontally on the property. CATHERINE MESIANO: We show a property line; we show the dock it is scalable. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It is right there. 45 MRS. KOEHLER: Can you look at that picture, because I think it will show you the concern. Can I just show you the spot - here it goes from this property line to there and we think that if it is in the middle it is just okay. But if it is right there it cOuld start causing some traffic. It looks like it is just right here. When we looked at the eye. TRUSTEE KRUPSKh What is the scale on that Cathy. CATHERINE MESlANO: It is, just let me find it. It should be a forty but I am looking for it. The scale is a thirty upper left. TRUSTEE KRUPSKh About 120 feet off the property. MRS. KOEHLER: Would there be any chance that we could analyze this? Before it is past to make sure that it is not close to the channel. We are not opposing the dock. We just want to make sure that traffic pattern is not a problem for everybody that has a dock. TRUSTEE KRUPSKh We looked at it in the field. Nobody picked that out. CATHERINE MESlANO: It would be more of a problem if it where moved because the length of the property owner's dock would obstruct - would serve to obstruct the navigability. That is why this is offset in that northerly direction. Because it was brought more southerly it would create too narrow a space between the end of the Association Dock and our proposed dock. You have a bogging down between the adjoining, where it says existing float on the neighbor's property. 1 think that is the Boyd property. There would be congestion because of the proxicimity of our proposed dock to the end of the Association Docks. Those Association Docks appear to go much more of a third of the way across the basin. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It would be my recommendation to remove the docks that are not permitted inside that Cove. CATHERINE MESIANO: That is a whole other issue. We are just here for our dock. TRUSTEE KRUPSKh This dock is consistent with what this Board is approving right now. Length and size. MRS. KOEHLER: Do you think that it is okay. With what you are looking at would not cause a problem with the other people going in. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: With navigation? No. 46 MRS KOEHLER: No you do not think so. Aren't specific- the number you just gave me. The one twenty that the number that I am suppose to rely on. That is the place where is dock will be. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Roughly you can scale it out. MRS. KOEHER: I scaled Didriksen it was little off. That is why I did the ruler thing. So it is like approximately one twenty. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is hugging the shoreline. The way that is taken. With the tree hanging over - that tree may even obscure the dock once it is built. MRS. KOEHLER: That is where we would think it would be best placed. The map makes it look like it is more than 2/3rds. TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I will make a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: One recommendation that I am sure that you can get it through the DEC is to have it come straight off the bank. No reason to have it go up three feet. CATHERINE MESlANO: I agree because at the bank- at the top of the bank we are not at wetlands. It drops off so drastically I agree with you. KRUPSKh I will make a motion to close the TRUSTEE hearing. TRUSTEE TRUSTEE I will make TRUSTEE TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. KRUPSKh All in favor. ALL AYES a Motion to Approve the application. POLIWODA: Seconded. KRUPSKh All in favor. ALL AYES CATHERINE MEIANO: Thank you 28. Catherine Mesiano Inc. on behalf of DOMINIC NICOLAZZI request a Wetland Permit to construct a 50'x115' irreg. Two story house and attached garage - 45'x79' irreg. Deck and in ground pool, septic system, pervious driveway, site grading, two proposed elevated walks, 3.5'x100' and 3.5'x60' both minimum 3' above grade and 4'x75' fixed timber dock minimum 3.5' above grade with 4'x8' steps to grade - 3'x325' wood chip paths. Located: Waterview Drive & Main Bayview, Southold, NY SCTM#78-7-9 4? TRUSTEE KIRUPSKh Did I skip one? Is there any one who would like to speak in favor of the application. CATHERINE MESlANO: Catherine Mesiano behalf of applicant. After our site inspection. Your recommendations were taken into consideration and I presented you with revised plans both the site plan and the dock plan. If you have any questions. I would be more than happy to try to answer them. The new plan the Sea Level Mapping lower right hand corner amended 11/18 is that you are asking. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is not it. CATHERINE MESlANO: Then what are you asking me. TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I am looking for my amended plan and I cannot find it. CATHERINE MESlANO: When I came up before, I handed you new plans for Nicolazzi. TRUSTEE KRUPSKh It shows hay bales - drywells for pool. and roof run-off. Proposed clearing limit goes all the way around here. The proposed clearing limit kind of fades out there. Actually it meets the edge of wetlands so that does not work. Say proposed clearing limit. It is the hay bale I was looking at this contour line. I thought it was there. It is just a hay bale line. TRUTEE POLIWODA: You lowered the dock and did you shorten it. CATHERINE MESlANO: We did not shorten it Ken. I will tell you why. If it were shorter we have the problem of dragging a canoe or kayak through the muck. Rather than have it floating. If you are concerned about scouring the bottom and disturbance. We would rather see the structure float than have the structure in one foot of water. Because that tends to be problem. We are only in two feet of water. We have to take off the stairs on one side that was the one thing that he missed. This plan, Al, is one hundred scale.. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I just want to see the edge of wetlands. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I do not agree with that Cathy. I believe it should be a lot shorter and a canoe can you will have your days with super Iow tides and big northwest winds. But for the most part it will be. Ninety percent of the time you .can figure the float. MR. NICOLAZZh If I can draw upon your expertise. The only thing that 1 was concerned about by backing it in. The 48 difference between 1.8 feet that is almost twenty percent of my total depth. If I did that. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It is three inches. MR. NICOLAZZI: It is only a couple of inches but it is still twenty percent of my depth. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: If you ever came in - in a jam. Three inches of incoming tides will take you fifteen minutes. Cause the water will come up three inches. That is a lot of dock in a spot with there really is no docks. TRUSTEE KRUPSLh You have heard us all night. Trying to minimize the sizes of the docks. You are the last in line. If we cut it back now and it really is unusable. You can come back and amend it next year. If you really cannot get any use out of it. CATHERINE MESlANO: Draw one straight line from the 1.8 to 1.9 so we would be cutting off the last section. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Twelve feet - take twelve feet off of it. CATHERINE MESlANO: So we are going to draw the line from one point eight to one point nine. That cuts through where the piles are and that reduces the length by twelve feet. Put the steps straight down - you do not care in what direction they go off right. Just one-step rather two. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Trust me you will be happy too. When you are driving down Bayview and looking at. You will be glad we did not go those twelve feet. TRUSTEE KRUPSKh What size piles Ken. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Six inch all six inch throughout. TRUSTEE KRUPSKh If there are any other comments? I will close the hearing. TRUSTEE KING: So moved. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKh All in favor. ALL AYES I will make a Motion to Approve the application with the amended plan no change to the house, pool application and only change the shortening length catwalk into water by twelve feet and removing one half of the stairs. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: All in favor. ALL AYES 49 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I am going to recluse myself on this next one. So please have someone read it. 29. Catherine Mesiano, Inc. On behalf of GRACE KEHLE request a Wetland Permit to construct a low profile 3'x95' fixed timber dock, minimum 2.5' above grade with 3'x8' steps to grade. Located: 450 Strohson Road, Cutchogue, NY SCTM#103-10-20 TRUSTEE FOSTER: Speaking on behalf of the application is? CATHERINE MESlANO: Catherine Mesiano on behalf of the applicant. I have to ask if we can hold this over until next month. I made an error in the mailing and the mailing was not correct. So it would not be appropriate to call this hearing. Because I cannot give you a valid affidavit of mailing. But I would like to discuss it if you would not mind. Peg, I think you were there and met the Kehle's at the property today. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Yes, I met them this afternoon. They wanted to change the position. CATHERINE MESIANO: The problem that we are having just to refresh every one memory. Is that originally we came in? Wanted to put a dock in the center of the property out into the creek. Which at the point is very narrow. It is only forty-five feet and we got into a problem with the DEC. They did not want us to even get the dock far enough out of muck. So then we revisited the situation and I had three plans drawn up. One for a proposal in the center of the property. One for a proposal in the western corner of the property which would be the inner most section of the creek. One at the outer most easterly section of the property where the creek opens up. Into the larger part of the bay. After considering it and looking at the practical aspects of this. Mr. Kehle feels strongly that he would like the Board to consider a proposal for his dock. At the easterly most portion of the property it is the shortest distance to the open water. It is the point where the creek opens up. He would like to do more I am looking at this and I am seeing soundings, I just do not see depths where we can get anything with floats. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Cathy if I can interrupt. If you look at the neighboring docks to the south. There is a fixed catwalk that almost goes basically maybe a foot over the edge of the 5O marsh. He has a tie up piling maybe ten feet to the east. So he has a fixed catwalk and a tie up pilings. We looked at that and we figured that would be the best solution to this applicant. CATHERINE MESlANO: His pile then is about the same distance off of the edge of the marsh. As the end of his dock. The neighbor is that what you are. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: The catwalk ends two feet beyond the edge of the marsh. Then he has a piling about two feet off the edge of the marsh - ten feet up. We figured that probably would be the best solution to this whole scenario in that location because it at least it only where a dock can is currently happening. It will not phragment all of the marsh that exists to the east. CATHERINE MESlANO: I will go back to him and explain that to him. Because I agree with you. 1 do not see how on the northeasterly side of that property. He is going to get any depths. He does have more meaning - He does have little more. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I am familiar in there. It is very shallow muddy on that side - on the east side. He will not be able to navigate half the time anyway. The whole entire channel fills up. CATHERINE MESlANO: I will go back to him and try to educate him and make him understand that this is more. Advantageous. I will come back next month because I could not give you an affidavit of mailing. Because I knew it was incorrect. So we can just conclude it next month. Thank you. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Does he know how to Jet Ski? CATHERINE MESlANO: Maybe he will learn. But don't you have a prohibition to those thing that close to the shore. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Five mile per hour. CATHERINE MESlANO: I am not a fan of Jet Skies. I live a mile from the water and I can hear them. TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Can we end this. TRUSTEE FOSTER: I will make a Motion to Table the application. TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded. TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES. $! 30. Catherine Mesiano, Inc. on behalf of ARSAK TERJANIAN request a Wetland Permit for a pre-existing "retaining wall". Located: 55255 Rt. 48, Greenport, NY SCTMg44-1-9 APPLICATION INCOMPLETE 31. NEIL McGOLDRICK request a Wetland Permit to maintenance dredge an irregularly shaped area of approximately 55'x280' at the inlet of Hall's Creek at Great Peconic Bay to a maximum depth of- 5 MLW - resultant spoil - approximately 2,000 c.y. of sand shall be placed at he beach west of the inlet. Located: New Suffolk Avenue, Mattituck, New York SCTM#116-4-16.4 APPLICATION INCOMPLETE TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What about the Fisher's Island ones. Did anybody make an effort to see them? TRUSTEE KING: No I did not. TRUSTEE FOSTER: No but I will go if you want. CHARLOTTE CUNNINGHAM: Keith will take you - Artie but you have to go over to Connecticut. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Who CHARLOTTE CUNNINGHAM: Keith from Docko he has offered to take you. Anybody that wants to go. TRUSTEE FOSTER: I will fly over TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I will make a Motion to Table the three applications from Docko. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKh All in favor. ALL AYES 32. D ocko, Inc. on behalf of JOSEPH PENDERGAST request a Wetland Permit to construct 28+/- lfof4 foot wide pile and timber pier - install an 8'x24' float with associated 40 foot hinged ramp and restraint pilings, five tie off pilings all water ward of the apparent high water line. Located: Oriental Avenue, Fisher's Island, NY SCTM#10-10-10 Application tabled 33. Docko, Inc. on behalf of HAY HARBOR CLUB requests a Wetland Permit at the diving area at the swimming dock filled in with sand from gales from the west and northwest to be dredged 3 feet +/- dredged sand will be transported by barge over to the Mobil Dock in West Harbor and off loaded- trucked back to replenish the 52 beach near the south dock used for upland fill purposes - landward of the MHW line. Located Bell Hill Avenue, Fisher's Island, NY SCTM~9-3-1 Application Tabled 34. Docko, Inc. on behal£ o£ RICHARD BINGHAM requests a Wetland Permit to extend an existing 6' wide fixed pier by 30 (+/=) If. To reach suitable berthing depth all water ward o£the apparent high water line. Located: Central Avenue4, Fisher's Island, NY SCTMg6~4-2 Application Tabled TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Meeting adjourned. Meeting Adjourned: 10:45 p.m. Respectfully submitted by: Board of Trustees 53