HomeMy WebLinkAboutTR-11/20/2002Albert J. Krupski, President
James King, Vice-President
Artie Foster
Ken Poliwoda
Peggy A. Dickerson
Town Hall
53095 Route 25
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971-0959
Telephone (631) 765-1892
Fax 1631) 765-1366
BOARD OF TOWN TRUSTEES
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
MINUTES
November 20tn, 2002
7:00 PM
PRESENT WERE:
Albert J. Krupsld, Jr., President
James King, Vice-President
Artie Foster, Trustee
Ken Poliwoda, Trustee
Peggy Dickerson, Trustee
E. Brownell Johnston, Esq.
Charlotte Cunningham, Clerk
CALL MEETING TO ORDER
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
NEXT FIELD iNSPECTION: Wednesday, December 11th, 2002 at 8:00 a.m.
TRUSTEE FOSTER Approved TRUSTEE DICKERSON Seconded.
NEXT TRUSTEE MEETING: Wednesday, December 18th, 2002 at 7:00 p.m.
WORKSESSION: 6:00 p.m. TRUSTEE FOSTER Approved TRUSTEE DICKERSON
Seconded
APPROVE MINUTES: Approve Minutes September 25, 2002 (not complete)
Approve Minutes October 16, 2002
TRUSTEE KiNG Approved with corrections. TRUSTEE DICKERSON Seconded.
MONTHLY REPORT: The Trustees monthly report for August 2002. A check for
$ 9,451.84 was forwarded to the Supervisor's Office for the General Fund.
II. PUBLIC NOTICES: Public Notices are posted on the Town Clerk's Bulletin Board
for review.
AMENDMENT/WAIVER/CHANGES
ALEX WIPF requests an Amendment to Permit #1876 to attach a
5'x20' floating dock to permanent dock as work platform to raise
shellfish. Located: 940 West Creek Drive, Cutchogue, NY SCTM#103-
13-7
TRUSTEE KING made a Motion to Approve TRUSTEE POL1WODA
Seconded ALL AYES
2. GARY LAUBE request an Amendment to Permit #5278 for clearing
that has occurred within 100 feet of wetlands - restore with variety of
plantings. Located: 310 Ackerly Pond Lane, Southold, NY SCTM#70-
05-05
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh the only suq.qestion that I had on that was
if we could qet maybe at the twenty foot line were those plantings
are proposed - if we could qet a second row of hay bales in there
to prevent any possible situation or stabilize that 20 feet with
wood chips right away. TRUSTEE DICKERSON made a Motion
to Approve TRUSTEE KING seconded. ALL AYES
3. JMO Consulting on behalf of BELVEDERE PROPERTY
MANAGEMENT request an Amendment to Wetland Permit #5193 to
install gas pump on site utilized only to fuel the five-six boats that are
used to transport staff, guests and supplies back and forth to Robin's
Island also one year extension to permit. Located: First Street &
Jackson Street, New Suffolk, NY SCTM#117-8-19&20
TRUSTEE DICKERSON made a Motion to Approve TRUSTEE
KING seconded. ALL AYES
Eh-Consultants, Inc. On behalf of RICHARD & KATHLEEN
O'TOOLE request an Amendment to Permit #5595 to allow dredging
to recover approximately 20 cubic yards of lost backfill to be trucked
off site to an approved up land source. Located: 2280 Ole Jule Lane,
Mattituck, NY S CTM# 122-4-10
TRUSTEE KING moved to Approve with the stipulation that it is not to
exceed more than twenty yards at $10.00 cubic yard TRUSTEE
POLIWODA seconded ALL AYES
Catherine Mesiano, Inc. on behalf of GERALD KEEGAN request an
Amendment to Wetland Permit 5600 to replace existing septic system.
Located: 100 Beachwood Lane, Southold, NY SCTM#70-10-52 & 63,1
TRUSTEE POLIWODA made a Motion to Approve TRUSTEE
DICKERSON seconded ALL AYES
Proper-T Permit Services on behalf of HERBERT LINDTVEIT &
CHARLES BURST request an Amendment to Permit # 2003 to
remove existing fixed dock and float extending from an existing
bulkhead and replace in the same location with a 4'x27'6" fixed
walkway 3'x14' hinged ramp and 6'x20' float five existing piles are to
remain- one acting to secure the seaward end of the float and four
acting as mooring poles -two on each side of float - two additional
spiles installed near the landward end of float to further secure it.
Located: 705 Windy Point Road, Southold, NY SCTM#87-4-7
TRUSTEE POLIWODO made a Motion toe Approve with the
stipulation that three piles are to remain - one holding the float-
two piling poles no additional piles except what was approved on
3/20/02 all pilings will be no greater than 6 inches in diameter.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON seconded. ALL AYES
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Proper-T Permit Services on behalf of SAVAS KATSORHIS for a
One Year Extension to Permit #5251 dated Nov. 21, 2000 - also new
plans now submitted reflecting the change of the existing concrete
patio. Located: 965 Bungalow Lane, Mattituck, NY SCTM#123-3-12.1
TRUSTEE KING made a Motion to Approve TRUSTEE POLIWODA
seconded. ALL AYES
LUKE & RITA LICALZI request for Dock Permit Transfer #1977
from Arthur L.R. Francisco to Luke & Rita LiCalzi Located: 2195
Calves Neck Road, Southold, NY SCTM# 70-4-46.1
TRUSTEE POLIWODA made a Motion to Approve TRUSTEE
DICKERSON seconded ALL AYES
Fair-weather Brown on behalf of ALVIN BERMAN & ELLEN
BUCHBINDER BERMAN request a One Year Extension to Permit
#5269 dated 1/24/01 Located: 216 Hillcrest Drive North, Orient, NY
SCTM#13-2-8.16
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI made a Motion to Approve TRUSTEE KING
seconded ALL AYES
10. William & Elizabeth Smith request a One Year Extension to Per, nit
#5 100 dated January 26, 2000 Located: 10605 Soundview Avenue,
Southold, NY SCTM#54-5-37.3
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI made a Motion to Approve with the stipulation
that there be drywells and gutters on the house. TRUSTEE KING
Seconded. ALL AYES
11. ROB FOX request a change of name from Rochelle & George Reis to
Rob Fox Permit #5224 dated 9/20/00 Located: 580 Lloyds Lane,
Mattituck, NY SCTM#99-03-4,2 '~
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: made a Motion to Approve change of name
Also a Letter of Non-Jurisdiction. TRUSTEE KING seconded. ALL
AYES
12. Catherine Mesiano, Inc. on behalf of MARY ZUPA requesting
Emergency Permit #5653 to replace approximately 495 feet of
bulkhead - installation of 52 feet low sill bulkhead - re-vegetate
approximately 640 feet landward of nye low profile wall, vegetate
disturbed areas landward of bulkhead replacement. Located: 5 80
Basin Road, Southold, NY TRUSTEE KRUPSKI made a Motion to
Approve TRUSTEE KING seconded ALL AYES
IlL PUBLIC HEARINGS:
THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE MATTER OF THE FOLLOWING
APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS UNDER THE WETLANDS ORDINANCE OF
THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD. I HA VE AN AFFIDA FIT OF PUBLICATIONS
FROM THE SUFFOLK TIMES; PERTINENT CORRESPONDENCE MA Y BE
READ PRIOR TO ASKING FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS ORGANIZED AND BRIEF
FIVE (5) MINUTES OR LESS IF POSSIBLE
Costello Marine Contracting Corp. OnbehalfofJAMES
MILLER request a Wetland Permit to construct a 6'x40' ramp,
continuing with a level 6'x110' dock and ending with a 6'x24' "L"
dock pointing northeast. From the "L" dock, installing a 32"x12'
ramp leasing to a 6'x20' float. Installing a 15,000 lb. boatlift on the
southwest side. Located: 1610 Paradise Point Road, Southold,
SCTM#81-3- l 9.4
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What I have is an old description and I think
I am going to find the new description to read into the record.
Proposed construction is for a 4'x 40' ramp continuing with a level
4'x30' dock and 6'x70' dock and ending with a 6'x24' "L" dock
pointed northeast on the northeast side of the dock to construct a 4'x
4' platform with a 3'x10' ramp leading to a 4-1/2'x20' lower
platform additional installing two 2 pile dolphins and one single pile
by using creative barge. Is there anyone like to speak in favor of
the application?
JOHN COSTELLO: My name is John Costello and I am the agent
for Mr. Miller on this application. This is a continuation of last
months hearing on this application and the Board desired to have a
copy of the DEC Permit given to them. I gave it to them the
following morning. Mr. Miller was willing to reduce the size of the
dock by ten feet from the over all length as discussed on site with
the Trustees at their meeting. He was also eliminating the boatlift as
per the recommendation of the DEC. He is also reduced and
eliminated the intended splashboard beneath the dock and he is
taking and removed the 12-foot ramp and the floating dock. So as
not to shade the bottom and he in turn is willing to put a four and
half foot instead of the six foot wide float and four and half foot
lower platform on fixed pilings. The only addition to the entire
structure was one additional tie up piling on the north side of the
dock.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Wasn't that six-foot dock reduced to a four
foot in width?
JOHN COSTELLO: The inshore end of the four-foot dock as per
the DEC permit.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Are there any other comments? Board has
any other comment?
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Yes, I believe in the field that we
requested the removal of the two -3 pile dolphins.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I remember that conversation. Any other
comment?
JOHN COSTELLO: You want my comments in the field. In the
field - Ken was the only Trustee I do not believe that any of the
other Trustees had a problem with the three pile dolphins for ice
control. Ken said that he was opposed to them. He did not like
multiple piling and we reduced by two pilings. Mr. Miller told me
to reduce it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No I agreed with Ken what he said in the
field and I do not know what the other Board's members said about
the additional piling. We just had a discussion about this. About a
half an hour ago with another applicant about adding additional
pilings and taking up additional public lands.
JOHN COSTELLO: This public land is the State. The Department
of State has issued a permit for the three pilings. The DEC has
offered a permit and has given a permit for the three pilings on State
land. My intentions of desig~fing this and I know that the ice
conditions in the bay can be diverse. I have repaired many a dock.
We had pilings at stock docks in the past that would damage
severely. A single piling out there is going to have some
difficulties. The purposes of the pilings are not only to moor the
boat properly and safely. Not to protect the dock also. I tell you in
Noyack Bay area we put seven pile dolphins in. Because the
Noyack Bay fi:eezes in - in entirety. One solid sheet. I know that
was Ken's opinion and he is the only one that expressed that opinion
at the site.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I do recall having a discussion with Mr.
Costello in the field that if there was an ice event. He could apply
for an emergency ice permit to plant some poles. Before the ice
breaks up the dock. When the spring comes he can pull them out.
That is the purpose.
JOHN COSTELLO: I asked Mri Miller as a courtesy of that
conversation with you Ken to reduce it. He said he would.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I just have one more question on these
pilings and I am trying to find a reference point for the neighboring
docks. You got the ice pilings position on the side of the
neighboring dock. With those two docks that are substantial in size
act as ice breaks. On that ice flows direction.
JOHN COSTELLO: If'there was fixed ice and not flow ice. That
would probably will break it to some degree. But there is eight
hundred feet in there. That a major piece of ice. You been out there
in the wintertime? We have them on every dock in Noyack on the
west side of Noyack Bay. There are seven pile dolphins on every
dock. Every dock has in the past has sustained major damage.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: It is an insurance policy.
JOHN COSTELLO: I can tell you back in 1964 1 built an entire
dock out of Oak Piling. The entire dock was cut offwithout the
piling protecting it. In Noyack Bay. I hope we have calm winters.
God Bless Amino.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: If there is no other comment? I am going to
move to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE FOSTER; Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES so one makes a
Motion.
TRUSTEE KING: I will make a Motion to approve the application
as submitted.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded.
TRUST EE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Into the record the only reason that I am
going to Approve this with the ice pilings I feel even though they
will take up bay bottom and take up public space that the damage
could be worse if it broke up the structure in this case. Cause the
debris to be scattered about the bay.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Into the record my Approval is just for
the dock and not the ice pilings.
Costello Marine Contracting Corp on behalf of PATRICK
KELLY request a Wetland Permit to construct a new 156' bulkhead
(including 8' return on west side) with C-Loc Vinyl Sheathing,
directly in front of existing bulkhead. Located: 75 Harbor Lights
Drive, Southold, NY SCTM#71-2-7
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Would anyone like to comment on this
application?
JOHN COSTELLO: My name again is John Costello with Costello
Marine Contracting. I am the agent for Mr. Kelly on this
application. If the tmstee's have any questions in this regard. It is
very similar- it is exactly similar to the last two along that stretch
of bulk heading. They were all put in approximately the same time
and Stickle & Graham bulkheads were exactly the same thing.
Except they also approved the floats at that time.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Thank you any other comments?
As for Board comments I looked at this application I agree it could
be done as specified by the applicant. Being put in front of the
property to the south is out already and would just tie in with that.
You request dredging? It was unclear where the dredging would
occur.
JOHN COSTELLO: The only dredging is going to be done is to
placement of the C-Loc end. So we are going to minimize. The
dredging is just a recouping the material that is jetted out on the
insulation of that bulkhead,
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I have an important request with the
dredging on the northwest side. The shorter wall. I was going to
recommend staying away from there. It is natural inter-tidal
JOHN COSTELLO: They are not tying up any boat. The dredging
will probably only to the point.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: On the canal side
JOHN COSTELLO: Because there are vegetated wetlands around
the comer and he does not take access. He can work there but he
does not intend to. There are only a few yards coming out of there.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I also see the applicant put in for a ten
foot non-turf buffer along the bulkhead.
JOHN COSTELLO: I told him that was going to be demand.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: That is fine. Any other Board's
comments? I will make a Motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: All in favor. ALL AYES
I will make a Motion to Approve the Wetland Permit on behalf of
Patrick Kelly with the stipulation that there be a ten foot non-turf
buffer in place.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded.
TRUSTEE POL1WODA: All in favor. ALL AYES
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Costello Marine Contracting Corp. On behalf of KENNETH
PETERSON request a Wetland Permit to construct a new 80'
bulkhead (w/C-loc vinyl sheathing) directly in front of existing
bulkhead and 8" higher. Located: 615 Harbor Lights Drive,
Southold, NY SCTM#71-2-2
TRUSTEE POIWODA: Would anyone like to comment on this
application?
JOHN COSTELLO: Again, my name is John Costello and we are
the agent's for Mr. Peterson. It is similar bulkhead less of it. On the
same stretch. All of them are failing because of age and leakage.
We are trying to replace them with a more environmentally sensitive
material than if the cresol gets in there.
TRUSTEE POLOWODA: Any other comments? Once again are
there any Board comments? I inspected this and I did have a
question about. There is a bow in the bulkhead will you be pulling
that back? As you replace it.
JOHN COSTELLO: When we put the bulkhead in. We will be
putting in a new backing system. We will be excavating behind
landward. Will be pulling the topsoil up. We will leave a ten-foot
non-turf buffer and then the bulkhead will be straight. We take
pride in that.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Does that eighty feet include the eight-
foot return.
JOHN COSTELLO: There is seventy-two feet. Because the
adjourning property to the east of this is an Association Property
that is un-bullheaded now. There is a lot of debris in there and it is
not his property and he is not going to try anything.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I was going to recommend going eight
inches higher there.
JOHN COSTELLO: We are not.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Not to dredge thirty foot of that bulkhead.
So any dredging will be the first fifty.
JOHN COSTELLO: That is frae.
TRUSTEE POL1WODA: Any other comments? I ~vill make a
Motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: All in favor ALL AYES
I will make a Motion to ~lpprove the Wetland Permit on behalf of
Kenneth Peterson with the stipulation that there be a ten foot non-
turf buffer be installed also no dredging thirty feet from the
southerly eight foot return.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: All in favor. ALL AYES
J.M.O. Consulting on behalf of CHRISTOPHER PIA request a
Wetland Permit to dredge a 12'x360' channel to a depth of-4' the
resultant spoil (320 c, y,) of sand will be placed on adjacent beach
for beach nourishment. Located: 1455 Inlet Way, Southold, NY
SCTM#92-1-4
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Is there anyone to comment on this?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Glenn who was right here. Has
disappeared.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: He is out in the hall.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON I will make a Motion to Table.
TRUSTEE FOSTER Seconded.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: All in favor ALL AYES
Carl Guerale on behalf of MARTIN & DOREEN EVANS
requests a Wetland Permit for a staircase, fixed dock, hinged ramp
and floating dock. Located: 5050 New Suffolk Avenue, Mattituck,
NY SCTM#115-1104003
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Is there any one who would like to speak
on this application?
MR, EVANS: I am hoping that it is approved.
TRUSTEE POLIWDA: Sure you are Mr. Evans. Is there any one
else who would like to comment? No other comments? I will
comment as the Board member who inspected this. I went out there
by boat and inspected it. I was a little learley of the length of the
dock I found that there was a lot of unnecessary structure there.
However, I went from the edge of the marsh outward/seaward and I
measured out 36 feet where I hit two and half feet of water.
Immediately dropped off to at least four feet at forty-six feet. So
that will give you plenty of depth of boat there. So the way that I
described it in the plan. Would be to start your float at thirty-six
feet off the edge of the marsh. So you walk back from the edge of
the float - put a catwalk as far as you want to go. You would have
plenty of depth and plenty of dock facility. Which is probably thirty
to forty feet shorter than what you are proposing in length.
MR. EVANS: I just have to ask you something. If you do this
now. When the wind blows from the north. Because it is on a creek
the water situation diminish tremendously. When it blows the
opposite way. There is a tremendous variation. It is not like a
straight drop like four foot. I am sure on the bay. Where you can
measure. That is the only thing. I hope you factored that into the
whole process.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Oh sure, I was there on a fairly Iow tide
and I had trouble getting there. I turned the bottom as I crawled up
to your dock area. I could not even hit the shoreline because it was
so low. My bow hit the sand there. I had to get out and measure it.
MR. EVANS: Where you are approving there is enough water
there.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: There was two half feet at the beginning
~ of the float it dropped right down to twelve feet at forty six feet.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That will insure that you will get a DEC
permit for the float also. Because most people have trouble getting
a DEC permit because the float does not have sufficient water. But
in this case you will have sufficient water to get a DEC permit also.
Most people get a ramp - a catwalk out - stairs down that - maybe a
pole. So what you have to do. We can approve this tonight with the
condition with you submitting a plan showing that. Those lengths
and the water depths and you can submit that to the DEC. So you
will have our approval.
MR. EVANS: So you will give me the conditions and then I will be
Okay -
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Any other comments?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you for your patience.
MR. EVANS: No problem.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I will make a Motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I will make a Motion to Approve the
Wetland Permit on behalf of Martin & Doreen Evans with the
condition that the inshore side of the float will begin a 36 feet off
the edge of the marsh and extend outward a 6'x20' float with a ramp
and fixed dock landward all pilings will be no greater than six
inches -Seconded
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: All in favor. ALL AYES
MICHAEL A. CIIUISANO as Contract Vendee requests a
Wetland Permit to construct a single-family dwelling. Located:
1775 Gull Pond Lane, Greenport, NY SCTM#68-2-10
POSTPONED UNTIL FEBRUARY AS PER TIlE
APPLICANT'S REQUEST
Suffolk Environmental Consulting on behalf of JULIUS
BLOCKER request a Wetland Permit to construct a 2,230 square
foot +/- "footprint" private single family dwelling an attached 1,340
sq. ft. +/- porch, 70 linear feet of retaining wall surrounding the
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sanitary system, pervious driveway public water utilization.
Located: 1005 Takaposa Road, Southold, NY SCTM#87-06-12.1
WITHDRAWN WITHOUT PREJUDICE
Suffolk Environmental Consulting on behalf of AMELIA
MENDOZA requests a Wetland Permit to construct stairway down
the bluff to access the shoreline. Located: 38015 Main Road,
Orient, NY SCTM # 15-0215.1
BRUCE ANDERSON: Brace Anderson of Suffolk Environmental
Consulting for the applicant Amelia Mendoza. It is a standard
stairway down to the beach. There should be no issues with it. I
think you should have detail plans and I am here to answer any
questions that you have.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any comments?
TRUSTEE FOSTER: I looked at it and I really did not have a
problem with it. The CAC recommended approval with the
condition of minimal bluff disturbance, which would be my
condition as well. It is kind of cut and dry. It is just a set o£stairs
right down the bluff. I would recommend approval.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Are there any other comments?
BRUCE ANDERSON: Very easy to install.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Being no other comments I will make a
Motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES
I will make a Motion to approve the application of AMELIA
MENDOZA to construct stairs to the beach 38015 Main Road,
Orient. NY.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES
Suffolk Environmental Consulting on behalf of ANN MARIE
KELLY requests a Wetland Permit to construct a 1,075 sq. ft.
second story addition, a 205 sq. ft. front porch extension a 96 sq. ft.
rear patio, deposit 575 +/- cu. yd. of clean fill from an upland
source, relocate the existing garage to the eastern comer of subject
property and construct a 35 ft. long retaining wall off the southern
comer of same, abandon the existing sanitary structure and construct
upgraded system and relocate private well. Located: Village Lane,
Orient, NY SCTM#24-2-11
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Anyone here would like to speak with regard
to this application?
BRUCE ANDERSON: Brace Anderson for Suffolk Environmental
Consulting. The important points here are we are separated by that
concrete sea wall. That there is no further encroachment towards
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the water. The main mitigation effort is to replace a cesspool that
sits almost partially under the house In-ground water and to bring
it into compliance in as much that is possible. With the current
Health Department regulations. One thing that you should be aware
of is that the well that we have located down on the southeastern
comer of the property will probably be relocated to the northeastern
comer of the property where you see the framed garage to be
relocated. The reason for that is that the aquifers are quite thin
down by the water. I would not expect an issue with this Board.
But I am expecting a rather lengthy process with the Health
Department.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Our concerns are the septic.
BRUCE ANDERSON: The septic systems in this area are
problematic up and down the whole harbor area.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: It does not affect us really other than that is a
Health Department issue. Everyt/fing is being moved upland
basically. Are there any other comments? Being no other
comments no further comments I will make a Motion to close the
hearing.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. All Ayes
I will make a Motion to approve the application for ANN MARIE
KELLY for reconstruction of house relocation of septic system on
the condition that the installation of roof gutters and drywells is
installed for roof run-off.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES
10. Suffolk Environmental Consulting, Inc. on behalf of JOSEPH
FARRELL requests a Wetland Permit to construct a 1,196 square
foot +/- (Footprint) private single-family dwelling, driveway,
sanitary system and private well Located: Mill Creek Drive,
Southold, NY SCTM #135-03-26
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any one who would like to speak in favor
of the application?
BRUCE ANDERSON: Brace Anderson of Suffolk Environmental
Consulting for the applicant Joseph Farrell. As you know this is a
constrained lot. Not only from area stand point but also from a
depth stand point. What we have done in this application is to move
the house up as close to the road as feasible do it. I will tell you that
this particular lay out is done will require a variance from the
Zoning Board of this Town. But I have taken that gamble because I
think that when the day is done the interest of wetlands protection
will win the day. We have located a septic system. You will see a
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circle there with an X that is the expansion pool the active nearest
leaching pool will be ninety-five feet from the wetland boundary.
Soils on this area are good. We have provided for a substantial
buffer on the property. The dredge canal that fronts it. At least
when I was is a mud flat and is not a shellfish harvesting area.
Where the creek in general is highly productive. That septic system
has been located three feet above ground water. If you go up and
down the street and you look at what is there. You will see that you
have similarly size houses. On similarly size lots. The houses seem
to be closer to the water. Than what we are providing in this
application. Also there is very little buffer to any of houses along
this particular stretch of road frontage. If you look at the survey
before you. You will note that the dwelling to the west has its
cesspool between it and the ~vater. It is located slightly further off
the road then we would be. I think this example of a regulation that
works and achieves the resource protection goals that this suppose
to achieve by maximizing set back. Maximize buffers suitable
locating septic systems. In addition to that you should have provide
service in front of you. That shows the additions of two drywells
those will be standard 4x8 drywells to handle the roof run-of. I
believe the best that can be done on this property with its restraints.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Just one question. Is there any possible
way that you can move the septic system five feet closer to the
road? To reach one hundred feet from the wetland edge.
BRUCE ANDERSON: I would say this that I would be willing to. I
have to go to the Health Department for a variance on this. Because
I cannot meet the well separation. Do not make me put right on the
hne and if you want to split the difference. Maybe make it two feet
off the line. That would be helpful. It is not going to slow down my
process because I am going there anyway. When I go there I will
have a reason why I am doing it that will be your requirement. To
put it on the line itself you are bringing other issues that will
complicate that much greater benefit to the environment. So if you
would condition that it be relocated - additional three foot back -
from it's presently 95 to 98 feet I could certainly live with that.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Health Department criteria require five feet
from the property line.
BRUCE ANDERSON: I am going there any way.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: They will bend any way.
BRUCE ANDERSON: They should and I do not have a grading
issue - with the septic system.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We have two letters fi'om two different
neighbors. Is there any other comment on this application before we
discuss this further? The letters that we got from area residents
there were concerned about the location of the septic that was the
major concern and the proximity to their wells.
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BRUCE ANDERSON: I had a long chat with one the neighbor's I
believe it is the neighbor directly west and do you have their names.
There concern really is that.
TRUSTEE FOSTER; Julie and Carl Pair.
BRUCE ANDERSON: No
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Keith and Mary Von Eiff.
BRUCE ANDERSON: No I talked to someone else. But the
concern is that our septic system might impact their well. At least
what was expressed to me by the neighbor that did call me? So that
yon know our responsibility in the Health Department process will
be to relocate and or deepen their wells. I will probably be doing a
test well on this property and what I am hoping to find is a deep
aquifer. Because in the general area there has been clay and I am
hoping that will resolve the differences. Generally speaking the
direction of septic affluent is going to move towards that dredge
canal. It is not going to move in a lateral distance/so we would be
intending on maximizing that load. The location of adjacent wells
by moving them of course away from the septic systems as much as
we can and property more likely as close to the road so that septic
system cannot impact an adjacent well.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I want to be up front with you. If you go
through a lot of trouble to get the septic moved three feet. Go
through the extra effort to get it five feet. Because I have never
signed a permit with the septic system within my jurisdiction, flit
is a matter of a little extra effort. You will get the signature or if it
is not I do not sleep well at night. IfI start approving septic systems
in protected areas that I am trying to protect.
BRUCE ANDERSON: You should do what you feel you have to
do. All I am saying is whether it is ninety-eight feet or one hundred
feet. There is nothing magical about one hundred feet, Other than it
is your jurisdiction. To me that is almost a symbolic concern. I will
certainly try for it. I think it is probably wiser to make it 98 instead
of 100 feet that is all I am saying.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: You say it is symbolic. I have been told
through many studies that it should actually be 125 feet from the
wetland's edge of septic systems. For containment systems any
place that my leach. That is a large study of many areas.
BRUCE ANDERSON: ffyou look at a well and septic separations.
Not only in Southold. But any place especially in the hamlet areas.
Where you have wells less than one hundred feet from septic
systems. Sometimes down grading. It begs the question of why is it
- given all the cesspools out there. Why is it that there are
numerous wells? That delivers clean potable water. The reason is
because the soils that surround the septic systems do an adequate
job of filtration. The real study towards the septic affluent cannot
really draw conclusions in those kinds of generality because you are
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going to have various soil conditions and so forth. In this case we
do have good soils. I would say if you are going to make that a
condition I am going there anyway. I will be diligent in pursuing
that as you well imagine. If for whatever reason I will simple have
to come back. I thought that the two-foot would be a little bit more
reasonable. But I will not fight you hard on it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any other comment?
KARL HAERR: My name is Karl Haerr my wife Judy and 1 am
here. We did write the letter that you have received. We basically
had some questions that we just wanted to know that we understood
how the process works. So I understand as I am listening here there
is another heating which the Health Department get involved in?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Our Board, The Board of Trustees, would
issue a permit first. The Health Department operates completely
independently of our Board. So they would address these issues,
which normally we would not address. Because normally we try to
maximize the amount of separation between the septic system and
the creek. In this case they are trying to maximize the distance and
they have.
KARL HAEER: Is that in relation to other properties to. Is that
only on their property?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No the Health Department would look at
every other property in the area. Make a decision and you are
welcomed to comment on that. There is going to be a heating.
BRUCE ANDERSON: Yes, I was going to say the process for the
Health Department is going to be such that the adjacent neighbors
are going to be notified. Because any septic system we put on this
property. Or any well we put on this property is going to be less
than one hundred fifth feet from adjacent well or adjacent septic
system. That automatically triggers a variance process with the
Health Department for which the effected neighbors, specifically the
adjacent neighbors will be notified.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So it is a totally separate agency.
KARL HAEER: Does Southold Town have a minimize lot size that
they say is acceptable for wetland.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Not that Iknow of it. This lot seems to be -
your lot seems to be larger than this. But this lot seems to be
consistent with other lot sizes in that area.
KARL HA_ERR: Yes, I agree I was curious as to whether there was.
TRUSTEE KRUPSIG: That is when we consider everything.
KARL HAERR: Thank you
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I do not know if there is a lot size?
BRUCE ANDERSON: Well, it is going to be a pre-existing non-
conforming lot. Is what we are going to find.
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Are there any other comments? My only
comment if you take a look at this. Is a consistent lot size with the
community there?
TRUSTEE POL1WODA: Sure - my ma'm concern though is the
septic and the leaching affect on Arshamonaque Pond.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right - Peggy do you have any other
comments?
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: I have to go along with you trying to
keep the septic out of the one hundred feet. I agree with Ken.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do we have to wait for Artie now?
BRUCE ANDERSON: IfI may, one of the things I am not
protesting too loudly is. The Town does own the right of way. So
as long as the Town feels putting it on the line compromises that
interests. I do not care my preference if it would be one foot off the
line or two or whatever but the impacted party is the Town.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So then you would entertain a Motion to
place the septic system to approve this application with a non-
disturbance buffer as printed on the survey and with the drywells.
Showing that the septic system placed out of our jurisdiction.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: That would work. I could not be
anymore clearer with you.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any other comment on this? Do I
have a Motion to close the hearing?
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: So moved.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
Would someone like to make a Motion?
We closed the hearing. There was some discussion about having
Mr. Anderson has to go with this application before their Board of
Review for the Health Department. There was some discussion as
to whether we could have him maximize the set back of the septic
system byplacing it out side of our jurisdiction. Of course, then it
would be out of our jurisdiction. We would only be voting on the
house. The clearing associated with it.
BRUCE ANDERSON: One quick thought. You do have an
expansion pool. I cannot do anything with the expansion pool. You
have a three-bedroom house. Odds are the expansion pool will
never be installed because if you look around. Very few of them are
particularly in this soil condition. But, you will approve a septic
system on the future expansion probably not occurring that is a
requirement we cannot
TRUSTEE FOSTER: They put that on there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right
BRUCE ANDERSON: The condition being the nearest active ring
is one hundred feet I presume. I think that is what we are talking
about.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Right
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TRUSTEE KRUPKSI: Right - would someone like to make a
Motion?
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I will make a Motion to Approve the
Wetland Permit on behalf of JOSEPH FARRELL to construct a
1,196 square foot private single family dwelling with a driveway
and a sanitary system that will be one hundred feet or greater from
the wetland delaminating line - fifty foot non-disturbance buffer
from then wetland delaminating line - Located Mill Creek Drive,
Southold, NY - seconded -
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded
TRUSTEE POLIWODA; Any other stipulations?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That the fifty foot buffer I do not know that
is physically possible. Again ~ feel it is consistent with what is in the
neighborhood. This is substantially more buffered than any where
in the neighborhood. It shows about a forty-five buffer. Will be
more than adequate there.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I was going to recommend that after
Building and they return to a fifty-foot.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Or make it. This is like a fire breaker
around the house.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Disturbance during construction. Want to
call it non-turf for the first five to ten feet.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is not even five feet. I am not an
advocate for building here.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: They do have fifty feet. Allow then
constructing it and when going to non- disturbance after that. More
or less give them a five~foot mowing for whatever.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is all it is. You have forty-three feet of
non-disturbance. Then only three feet to working. I would be
inclined to improve it the way the clearing line is drawn and let
them work within that.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: It was their application not ours.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It was non-turf on the backside. Just call
it non-turf then
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Non-turf in the rear yard.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: He can mow it or rake it. No turf in it
with pesticides or herbicides or whatever else.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: For fifty feet.
BRUCE ANDERSON: Okay, but I was in on one of these - not too
long ago. I figured you are going to have some sort of herbal
growth is going to happen if you mow that is what is going to come
in whether it is weeds or not.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Do you want wood chips five feet,
BRUCE ANDERSON: I think wood chips really look lousy and it
is a bad way of doing it. But what I could suggest.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Gravel
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BRUCE ANDERSON: That is great if you live in Queens. But
maybe more durable is simple straighten out, Let us not go with
wood chips and gravel and mm it into.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Show it to Ken, because then it becomes an
enforcement problem. As opposed to just having a straight line.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So it is a give and take. The buffer is going
to be larger in some areas and smaller in others.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: That works. So the Motion will be the
stipulation of a changed survey/plan
BRUCE ANDERSON: No problem. I know what you want.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Do I have a Seconded.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
TRUCE ANDERSON: Thank you.
11. Land Use Ecological Services on behalf of CANDACE M.
CORLETT requests a Wetland Permit to construct a dock facility
consisting of the following 4'x79.5' fixed timber catwalk, 3'x12'
ramp, and 6'x20' float catwalk is proposed to be elevated a
minimum of 4' above the existing grade (10) 4"x4" timber piles are
proposed to support the fixed dock landward of the AHWM and (8)
6" Dia. Timber piles are proposed to support the dock seaward of
the AHWM (2) 6" Dia. Timber piles are proposed to support the
float. Located: 300 Clearview Road, Southold, NY SCTM#90-4-8.2
TRUSTEE KING: Is there anyone here to comment on this
application?
DAN HALL: Yes my name is Dan Hall. I am with Land Use for
CANDACE CORLETT in support of the application. I will answer
any questions the Board may have on it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Are there any other comments before the
Board comments? The Board has any comments on this?
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Is this the one that Jim and I walked
down on. Jim is this the one? We made the determination of how
feet beyond the stake.
TRUSTEE KING: I am not sure.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: This is not the one.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The Board did have one question. On the
tax map it shows separate lots. On the survey that you submitted it
shows one large lot.
DAN HALL: They are separate lots. It is just a plan that we
submitted. It shows both lots. They are two separate lots owned by
Candace Corlett.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The plan that is submitted how would that
impact the adjacent lot from having a dock? It seems to - if you
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would look at the plan that you submitted. It would seem to block
the adjacent lots.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Does the same person own them all?
TRUSTEEE KRUPSKI: Apparently.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: They are probably merged.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The Board's comments then where. We
looked at the water depths. The water depths seemed to be rather
insubstantial in that area. Through that low water.
DAN HALL: Okay.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think the Board was inclined to. I do not
know about a float. I think that your comments were four feet
beyond the edge of the marsh?
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: With the stairs.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: With the last pilings.
DAN HALL: I believe it matched the facility adjacent to it. To the
north as far as distance and structure.
TRUSTEE I<2RUPSKI: That I do not recall
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: You are looking at the fixed catwalk
would end four foot.
DAN HALL: What determined it that length?
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: The other docks. There were three docks
they're all on the same side of the creek and it all ended within one
length - one with foot span.
DAN HALL: The dock did but the ramp and float I think.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: So the fixed catwalk would end four feet
beyond the edge of the marsh. Then you get a ramp and float
sticking out. So that adds £ourteen. So thirty more feet.
DAN HALL: So how much shorter than that o£what we are
proposing?
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: We do not measure that because we do
not go out into the water on inspection. But visually the edge o£
marsh and you end the catwalk four feet beyond that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It should show it on the plan. It would be
low water. So where is the scale.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I do not think that you can call it that
way. I think that you just look for the edge of marsh.
DON HALL: I just wanted a distance so I do not change the plans
and you say it is what I ~vas looking for.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No - wait one moment. I think - Go w/th it
Ken.
TRUSTEE POLIWDOA: I recommend that the end of the fixed
catwalk ends no greater than four feet fi:om the edge of marsh and
then add your ramp and float. What size ramp? Twelve-foot ramp
and 6x20 foot float. It only affects your catwalk - you still get your
ramp and floats. So you are just walking the catwalk back to the
edge of the marsh.
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I get thirteen feet shorter catwalk- roughly
thirteen feet shorter catwalk and the same ramp and float.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I also know that in the field that we
commented that we did not see a need to be four feet above the
marsh they're with handrails. You would be up six or seven feet in
the air. We are looking at the two and half feet.
TRUSTEE KING: The spartina was growing just fine under it. We
measured it was thirty inches higher.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any effort made to minimize the height.
DAN HALL: Okay
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You want to approve this - subject to new
plans. Because you can scale it oft'here to real water.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: The only think that we are missing is the
marsh fringe. If you had the marsh fringe.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Include the marsh fringe in our plans.
DAN HALL: Okay
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comment? Do I have a Motion to
close the Hearing?
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: So moved.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALL AYES
I will approve the application based upon a new plan that we
discussed with the shortening of the dock - try to keep it as low as
possible over the grade.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALL AYES
On the picture are these handrails that are indicated here. Because
there is no mention of handrails in the description. On the drawing.
DAN HALL: If that is a concern will remove them.
TRUSTEE KING: Sure. -You can take it off. The permit does not
include handrails. Just to clarify it.
TRUSTEE POL1WODA: Also like the neighboring docks please
keep it low profile. All pilings cut off near grade of decking of the
catwalk.
12. ROBERT & EILEEN SCHIAVETTA request a Wetland Permit
for new dwelling, garage, sanitary system, pervious driveway,
swimming pool and gazebo. Located: 320 Tarpon Drive, Southold,
NY SCTM#57-1-3
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Is there any one who would like to
comment on this application?
JEFF SEEMAN: Good evening my name is Jeff Seeman -
environmental consultant for Robert & Eileen Schiavetta for this
application.
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any other comment while we are
getting out the file. This is the one that we asked Mark Terry to
inspect for us. He left a note verifying the wetlands. This is not the
parcel I originally thought it was. I thought it was that big mud hole
around the comer. This is a different parcel. We have been to this
parcel before we walked through. I have been out there twice
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It reads wetland line is correct as survey
shows. Have some concerns about ground water problems.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think on something like this for the record
we would like to see our standard fifty-foot wetland setback. Which
in this case would not really impact the property all that much.
JEFF SEEMAN: Would that justify a letter of non-jurisdiction. Did
you say fifty?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No our jurisdiction is one hundred feet. So
we could not give you that.
TRUSTEE POL1WODA: What we are looking for is fifty foot non-
disturbance from the wetland delamation line As well as one
hundred foot setback from the septic system.
JEFF SEEMAN: I think that we meet all those standards.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: You have that and you can easily meet a
fifty-foot non-disturbance zone. Any other comments? Any Board
comments?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We arejust scaling offfifty feet. It is only
impacting one small comer of the property. So we can approve this
tonight based on you just drawing that on there.
JEFF SEEMAN: Will be happy to do that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKING: Looking at this I would rather the way
the wetland line is drawn I rather see that little V taken out and
make more of a smooth wetland line. Instead of putting that -
instead ignore point .22 1 guess and go from 21 to 23.
JEFF SEEMAN: Those are the surveyors they always like straight.
I follow the contour myself.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You know what I mean.
JEFF SEEMAN: I know exactly what you mean.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: No other comments. I will make a
Motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: All in favor ALL AYES,
Al, you want to make a Motion with those stipulations?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I will make a Motion to Approve the
application with the condition that fifty foot non-disturbance buffer
be noted on the survey- ignoring the wetland point #22 so that you
have more consistent wetland line. Go from 21 to 23 and draw line
here across the back comer of the property.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: All in favor. ALL AYES
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JEFF SEEMAN: Thank you.
13. Caroline Graf on behalf of WILLIAM & SUSAN GRAF request
a Wetland Permit for new deck and screened in porch with partial
roof on south side of existing house - unheated. Located: 4855
Stillwater Avenue, Cutchogue, NY SCTM#137-3-8.3
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone who would like to speak in
favor of the application.
CAROLINE GRAF: I an~ Caroline Graf representing myself.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone else who would like to
speak. I took a look at this it really straight forward deck offthe
side of house. It is a turf area. If there is no other comment I will
make a Motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
I will make a Motion to Approve the application
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
CAROLINE GRAF: Thank you.
14. DAVID P. SCHULTZ request a Wetland Permit for a catwalk,
ramp and floating dock will provide the least intrusive travel over
the inter-tidal zone. Located: 2745 Wickham Avenue, Mattituck,
NY SCTM#139-2-3
TRUSTEE KING: Is there anyone who wishes to comment on this
application?
DAVID P. SCHULTZ: Good evening, I am David Schultz - this is
my wife Pat. You asked for some soundings and I had Steve
Pollock look into that. Then we had nor'easter. Moon tides and we
cannot get realistic tide readings. Everybody is pretty much on the
bottom or they are flooded. So anyway. Our proposal is to impact
as little as possible on the environment. We just want to be able to
get to the creek. We will be glad to build the shortest catwalk to
accommodate our needs. We can give you more realistic soundings
or come back.
TRUSTEE KING: You want to come back with some good
soundings.
DAVID SCHULTZ: Sure. I will just bring it back next month.
TRUSTEE KING: I will make a Motion to Table this is lieu of
waiting for soundings.
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TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALL AYES
15. Richard Saetta on behalf ofAUBREY & PRISCILLA MEALY
request a Wetland Permit for demolition of existing house and
construction ofnew house. Located: 310 Minnehaha Boulevard,
Southold, NY SCTM#87-02~01
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Would anyone like to comment on this
application?
KATHLEEN FAYETTE: Yes, I am Kathleen Fayette I am here for
Aubrey & Priscilla Mealy.
TRUSTEE POL1WODA: Where is this house?
KATHLEEN FAYETTE: 310 Minnehaha Blvd.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I was to look at this house application. I
drove around the area twice today.
KATHLEEN FAYETTE: According to the Building Department
that is it's location. On their mail box it actually says 460 Nakomis
Road.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: That is why? I was looking for a 310.
KATHLEEN FAYETTE: According to the Building Department
they are 310.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I reviewed your plans in the file and I did
not see a big problem with it. But, we should not issue a Permit
until I actually visit the site. So right now as a Board member I do
not have the inspection to it. I just need to see it. Hands on. So I
will have to Table it for one month and come back by December
18th you will have a permit in your hand.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: As soon as you go over the marsh. It is
right on the right hand side,
TRUSTEE FOSTER: It is a long driveway. It goes up in the back.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I will look for a 460.
KATHLEEN FAYETTE: 1 gave a new survey showing the hay
bales.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: There is a letter- we received today in the
file. I do not know if you have seen that. Regarding the location of
the driveway.
KATHLEEN FAYETTE: It will be staying where it is.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Maybe you should take it. It was received
today, maybe you want to come in and take a look at the letter.
There is some kind of issue over the driveway. It does not start on
property. It starts on the adjacent property, It comes in. It starts on
the road. Up at the top. We just got the letter today.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: It has been there for one hundred years.
Nothing is going to change.
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I am not saying it is going to. I just want to
make it clear.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Not proposed to be. It is just there.
TRUSTEE KURPSKI: We got a letter.
TRUSTEE POL1WODA: Any other comments? The hearing will
remain opened and I will Table it for one month. Motion to Table
Do I have a Seconded.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: All in favor. ALL AYES
16.
En-Consnltants, Inc. on behalf of MARIA VAMPORE
GIOCOLI request a Wetland Permit to construct a fixed timber
dock, consisting ora 4'x 9' inclined ramp 4'x 56' fixed catwalk
3'x14' hinged ramp and 6'x20' float secured by (2) 8" diameter
pilings. Located: 235 Private Road #3, Southold, NY SCTM#70-6-
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ROB HERRMANN: I am Rob Herrmann of En-Consultants on
behalf of the applicant. The application is for a floating dock that is
bit of a tight squeeze, but is essential to be located between two
other existing docks. The one to the west currently has a fixed
dock. That would extend farther out than the fixed portion of the
dock that is being proposed. The entire dock would actually be set a
bit closer to the upland than the dock to the east. We are extending
the dock out far enough to reach two and half feet of water. If the
Board has any questions I will be happy to answer them.
TRUSTEE I<2RUPSKI: You need the plan. Is there any other
comment on this application? The Board was considering when we
were there in light of the restraints of the property and the location
of the existing structures with the neighbors. We are looking
something for a much shorter structure with a pole with a mooring
pile - tie up pile - straight out. Somewhat adjacent. The mooring
pile would be in the same location. As the end of neighbor's pile.
The structure would go out as far as the first pole. Is that we
discussed. The catwalk would go to the first pole. Even with the
neighbor's first pole. Then they would have a mooting pile out to
the end of the neighbor's dock.
ROB HERRMANN: They do have a boat that is moored there now.
The whole purpose of the application is to have a dock structure.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: They have a dock. Catwalk out even with
the neighbor's first pole. But beyond that it would be just a pile.
Then they would have to back it in. Stem in to get into the boat
Because there is such a tight area. They only have a few feet of
waterfi:ont as it is.
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ROB HERRMANN: I am not sure how - aside from the issue of
preventing them from putting a dock out. I am not sure what you
are suggesting would eliminate the problem that exists. In other
words if they are going to dock a boat in that location particularly if
they are docking on the east side of the float. Actually it is
extending the dock out would seem to me to accomplish exactly
what you are asking us to accomplish by doing something else. In
other words we are getting a structure that would extend farther out
than the dock to the west. So that the boat dockage could actually
occur in deep enough water. Away from the fixed dock structure.
At the same time not interfere with navigation at all. There is no
navigational concern here. Because of the location of the other
docks. The shoreline runs at an angle and if you ran a line from the
fixed dock to the west. To the fixed dock to the east the Safir dock.
The adjacent owner you are basically staying a pier line from the
shore. So if you were just going to put a pile out and have a dock in
the same location. You are still trying to dock a boat in the same
location. I do not see what it accomplishes.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Minus the ramp and the float. Minus the
width of that and that structure that is actually physically there.
Maybe you do not understand what.
ROB HERRMANN: Maybe I do not.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Can you come up here and I ~vill draw it for
you. I will mark up yom' plan. Norn~ally we have the policy that
the dock should be 15 feet off the property line. That is a policy.
But in this case we thought maybe we could squeeze something in
and not have an impact. This is the proposed dock. A catwalk to
here. Then a pole out to here - even with that. The boat to be
moored in here. In this area here and not impact,
ROB HERRMANN: How does docking the boat here improve upon
if the dock where more here. Except here it is actually moored in
deeper water. So it will not be sitting on the bottom.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well, right now it is being moored where
right here. This would actually move it out.
ROB HERRMANN: They are trying to move it out in line with the
neighboring structures.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But this moves it out further. And add all
that extra structure.
ROB HERRMANN: What would that interfere with. In other
words why is that any different from the same rights that are being
enjoyed by the two neighbors?
TRUSTEE KRUPISKI: They only have a very limited amount of
water.
ROB HERRMANN: What is the correlation between how much
water front they own and the location of this float. That is what I
am asking..
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is out there. That is further out. They
just drew the line.
ROB HERRMANN: It is not out there as far as the Safir dock.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: The land is jotted out more on that one.
ROB HERRMANN: That is right.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Do you know when the Safer dock was
permitted?
ROB HERRMANN: No I do not. Is that a rhetorical question?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think so.
ROB HERRMANN: Either way it is there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is not that the Safir dock that is really is a
problem I think it is the other dock here to the east. We are trying to
work around.
ROB HERRMANN: The neighbor's poles are basically right on
line. So I do not know - as far as the fifteen foot off-set and this
dock is encroaching on the subject parcel So that is why we are
trying to get out rather a stink with the neighbor's saying that your
piles are really encroaching into our repair and access area. We are
just trying to extend the dock out. Rather than argue the applicant's
right to work out. The same as the adjacent parcels have worked
out. Rather than have an argument. I am really trying to understand
substantly how jamming the boat in here in five or six inches of
water. Right next to these mooring piles is a better idea. Than
extending the float out. Where there is no interference with either
structure.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: When did you do the sounding? We
were there we could not see bottom. We had to figure that there
were three or four feet of water there.
ROB HERRMANN: The soundings were done at 12:50 p.m. on
June 18th at low tide.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We were on the site last week and we are on
neighbor's dock not the Safir dock the other dock. We did find a
substantial amount of water there.
ROB HERRMANN: Where you there at low tide?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It was almost low tide.
ROB HERRMANN: We can go back. It will be a lot harder to do
it.
TRUSTEE KRUSKI: I think that we have to go back Because I
thin that the Board is really felt that this is pretty workable solution.
That they would have a dock and be able to use their boat and not
really extend further into the creek. You know that we try to
minimize whether there were no dock there at all.
ROB HERRMANN: The problem is that we are going to be
showing. I can get a scale and give you what the water depth is at
that point. Or was at that point on that date.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Let us go look at in the field.
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ROB HERRMANN; You want to do that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes,
ROB HERRMANN: Because my problem is if I propose again not
just for the example and use. But ifI propose a dock that is
essentially going to show a boat being docked in five inches of
water. Then that pretty much touches it up to a no win situation
with the DEC. So I do not have any response back from DEC on
this yet. So maybe they will come back with some yet different
solution.
TRUSTEKK KRUPSKI: But there most recent solution is been to
allow just catwalk with stairs.
ROB HERRMANN: Only if you can reach a reasonable water
depth, which are two and half feet. Within a line that is consistent
with navigation with the adjacent dock.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You do not show that?
ROB HERRMANN: We do show that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The very end shows two and half feet.
Not the whole float.
ROB HERRMANN: You extend it farther. But I was trying to
avoid doing that. So we would not be. So if he just draw a line
between the two docks. I was trying to stay as consistent with that
as possible. That is pretty much the line that you drew. So you are
hitting two and half feet at that point. So rather than going out any
farther. I stopped it there to stay in line with the other dock. I
thought the Board would say that is wonderful they are staying with
the other docks.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think that we better met on the site. I
think that we will stand on our recommendation.
ROB HERRMANN: I can pass it on to the applicant.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Please do. We think it is a workable
compromise there.
ROB HERRMANN: What I could do. We could bring a kayak and
then ifI could meet you I can go out in the kayak.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is so close to the neighbors.
ROB HERRMANN: I would not risk. Showing soundings from an
adjacent site as representative of this site. Even if logic dictates it as
true. Because they would crucify us. Say that we fortify the
soundings.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Bring all of your equipment.
ROB HERRMANN: We will have to bring something and figure it
out.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is what we referenced it off. We
walked down to the neighbors's dock and we walked all the way
out.
ROB HERRMANN: One of the problems is doing that is where
ever a boat is moored against the dock is going to be deeper than
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any where else beause the engining is going to blo~ving the silt off
the bottom. So it is definitely going to deeper.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We did measure.
ROB HERRMANN: Because if measure it is gong to be deeper at
the end o£that dock.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We visually looked at whole length it was
deeper. So we will meet your there on the 11th.
I will make a Motion to Table.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
17. En-Consultants, Inc. on behalf of STRONG'S MARINE request a
Wetland Permit to remove and replace (in-place) approximately 288
linear feet of existing timber bulkhead with vinyl bulkhead and
backfill with approximately 200 cubic yards of clean sand to be
trucked in from an upland source. Maintenance dredge an area up
to 20' off bulkhead to a maximum depth of-5' ALW and track
approximately 150 cubic yards of resultant spoil to an approved
upland site Located: 2306 Camp Mineola Road, Mattituck, NY
SCTM# 122-9-6.2 & 122-4-44.2
ROB HERRMANN: Rob Herrmann of Eh-Consultants on behalf of
Strong's Marine and Peggy for you benefit we once upon a time a
few years ago. Introduced this as a very straightforward application.
At which time we set off on a venture of resolving a violation in the
area where we were going. We were going to be proposing the spoil
disposal, which at time a couple years ago the Board had expressed
objections to. That it did not seem that you would likely back off
from. So we essentially revised the project proposal from placing
the soil onto Tefano Property and trucking the spill off site. Which
is what the Board had mentioned a couple of years ago. You would
rather see. I do not know if your visited the area. So that work was
done so unless there are any questions in association with that what
is basically before you. Is maintenance dredging off of all the areas
of the slips ands replacement of the bulk heading with vinyl
sheathing, which was the straightforward part of the application? A
while ago.
MILTA ANNUNZIATA: My name is Milta Armunziata I live at
2403 Camp Mineola Road Extension which I believe is typo - The
road is now called Camp Mineola Road Extension. To get to my
house. Mr. Strong and I share an easement and it is a little easement
where you go into the marina after the speed bumps we share the
entire easement to get to my house. You have to make a left at the
boat slip that little area there is riddled with potholes and basically I
am just concerned about the project because I have to get in and out
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of my house. I. live here year round and I am concerned about
vehicles and machines and trailers and I am just really interested in
to knowing how does he intend with a little area to replace them. I
do not have a problem with him replacing them. He has to operate
his business and I understand and respect that. ~just have a concern
getting in and out of my house.
ROB HERRMANN: Unfortunately I do not know how capable I
am of responding to that. Maybe if you could show the easement
area. Your concern is that there are areas on the paved.
MILTA ANNUNZIATA: In order to get to the area, which you are
intending to replace. You are replacing the opposite side that you
did a couple years ago.
ROB HERRMANN: We are replacing the bulk heading.
MILTA ANN~ZIATA: So you are doing the other side.
TRUSTEE K1NG: I think he is out here towards the travelers lift at
the other end.
MILTA ANNUZIATA: Where is he replacing it?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would you like to take a look?
MILTA ANNUZIATA: So this area he should not be able to have
to block in any which way. With regard to machinery or anything
like that. I am back here.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Do you still have problems on the weekend
with cars and trailers and trucks in the way? I know you had a lot of
trouble getting to your house there.
MILTA ANNUZIATA: I think that is a private matter with Mr.
Strong and myself I have problems with the boats on the left. He
puts boat there and I am going to address it to him privately.
Basically I hope that he does move. It is a fifth foot right of way
easement that I am supposed to have which I do not. Unfortunately
these are things that we have to discuss privately. It is supposedly a
private road and then it was not private anymore because the Town
took it over and then it was private again. Then I got Legislator
Curricula involved and Jean Cochran at the time. We were able to
name the road. Because I had a problem getting a policeman to my
house. Because no one knew where I was. So then they finally
named Camp Mineola Road Extension. Which I did not understand
why because you have to make right to get to my house. Getting off
Camp Mineola Road entirely. But at least got a name. So I was
happy about that. So ifI pick up the phone the police will be able
to find me. Since I do have two small children I was just a little
concerned about that. I found it a little strange when the policeman
called me - where are you. Basically I sometimes have a problem
getting in and out of my house. That little area there on the right is
the water on the left is my mother-in-law propriety. The Dunns I
think. On the right is the water. So I only have a little bit of area
there. That is the area that I am concerned about.
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ROB HERRMANN: My understand of the project area it should
not be a problem, Jeffis pretty reachable guy.
MILTA ANNUNZIATA: No he is
ROB HERRMANN: If there is a problem or you have any concerns
I am sure that he would address it. While the project is undergoing.
I will mention to him that you were here and that you expressed that
concern.
MILTA ANNUZIATA: That is the only concern I had. Thank you-
Good evening.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: One question that I had - is there anyway of
containing that silt during the dredging operation. It seems like
pretty extensive project. Is there any way of putting it as silt
barrior?
ROB HERRMANN: We can actually put in. Silt retention fencing
which the Department of State and Corp. of Engineer's require as a
matter of course we hardly ever show it on the plan but the
Department of State does require it as part of consistency
certification process. So that will be part of what they are doing.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: This will be one big job.
TRUSTEE KING: Any Idea of where they approved up-land sites
for the spoils?
ROB HERRMANN: No I do not know - but I can find out.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Any co~ranents from the Boards?
I will make a Motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: All in favor. ALL AYES
I will make a Motion toe Approve on behalf of Strong's Marina
request for Wetland Permit to remove and replace approximately
288 linear feet of existing timber bulkhead with vinyl bulkhead and
backfill with approximately 200 cubic yards of clean sand to be
trucked in from an upland sourer Maintenance dredge an area up to
20' offbulkhead to a maximum dept of 5' ALW and truck
approximately 150 cubic yards of resultant spoiled to any approved
upland site with a silt retention fencing. Do I have a seconded?
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: All in favor. ALL AYES
ROB HERRMANN: Thank you.
18. Patricia C. Moore, Esq. on behalf of JOANNA & DENNIS
LANE requests a Wetland Permit to construct a timber dock
(3'x40') min. 3' above grade, ramp (3'x12') float (6'x20') Located:
1852 North Bayview Road, Southold, NY SCTM#70-12-39.4
PATRICIA MOORE: Actually, I am Patricia Moore I have Mr. &
Mrs. Lane here because I understood that you had some
recommendation on location.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Ken would like to open the hearing?
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TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Would anyone like to comment on thus
application?
PATRICIA MOORE: Yes fi:om your field inspection that you had
some comments or recommendations as the location. We have all
the soundings in front of the property. So with my client's here.
We were tying to move the process along and hopefully if you could
relate to me what your recommendation where? They are here and
would like to talk about it.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Some time last year I do now when. But we
walked this whole parcel and we had a heck ora time. We had a
request for a dock then and with that waterfront trying to find a
suitable location for a dock.
PATRICIA MOORE: I am not aware of it from my client's I do not
know.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No it was for someone else.
PATRICIA MOORE: Berkowitz has a dock next door and it looked
relatively new.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No this was the property. We looked it over
trying to find - because there is a substantial amount of water.
PAT1L[CI MOORE: The previous owners were Reed.
They sold it. There they are Mr. & Mrs. Lanef The reason we
suggested placement here because there is break in all the wetlands
emd the property does cove a bit. So that we were trying to place it
in a position where intrusive to both the canal as well as impact on
the wetlands. We were talking about the possibility we straighten it
out a bit if you like. Yes de [the there are pretty good. It drops very
quickly. Where we proposed it we have two six and then it drops
down to four two. So there is some room for movement.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Ken what were your recommendations? I
think we wanted to see it staked.
PATRICIA MOORE: We did stake it. I checked with Bob Fox
because I knew I had asked him and he did do it. He said he did
with a- how do you describe it with lave. But he had done it
several days before and you had storms in between. It is possible
that it was lost. But it is identical in size to Beckowitz a little bit
shorter because of its placement.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI; No it is a difficult spot because of some
reason. Navigation wise it is a big concern there.
TRUSTEE POL1WODA: I believe it was because it was pristine.
there wasn't any docks really you could judge off of. It was going
to be extensively long.
PATRICIA MOORE: This - the dock next-door Beckowitz is
certainly longer and it is right in the same.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is kind of behind the bridge abutment. He
is tucked in there nicely.
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TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I am on the wrong time fi:me. I am
picturing a whole different part of the creek.
PATRICIA MOORE. Well that is good. I have photographs if you
like.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We thought that location was the best one
for the whole property. If we can find the exact spot that it could
tucked in there.
PATRICIA MOORE: It seemed to me that I was told that you
wanted to shift it around a little bit. The thoug~ht was that we might
be able to straighten it out as long as we maintain the depth. We
might have to judge length and ramp based on getting the end result.
But the ramp can be adjusted where exactly in the cut. There is a
schrub right to the north of this dock. Let me show you the
photograph because it will show it really clearly. If we remove that
shrub we have. I will show you the dock right here - there is scrub
to the north of it - Beckowitz is right over here. If we remove that
scrub. We can move it over somewhat. We were trying to keep the
vegetation.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think that we thought the way you had it
staked upland was the best location.
PATRICIA MOORE: We can straighten it a bit. If you take this and
straighten a little bit.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I think that we should have this staked.
Before we make a decision especially with a boat on the out side on
the outside.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Eight foot beyond the proposed. See where
the boat would be. The boat is going to stick.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: There is a navigational concern. Because
at this point it would be more than 1/3rd across.
PATRICIA MOORE. It should not be. Because it is pretty long
over here.
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Then you got the bridge.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: It may not be a 1/3rd Ken. The channel seems
to be on the west end - side. It is shallow across there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: There seems to be some racks right against
the shore.
PATRICIA MOORE: Do you know whose racks?
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Someone put oyster cages in.
MR. LANE: I do not think that is any official thing. I think it just
there.
PATRICIA MOORE: I think that they are very generously using
the property and they are not ours.
TRUTEE KRUPSLI: No it is Town property.
PATRICIA MOORE: I will try to have it staked again. But given
the storms.
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MR. LANE: I think those cages are just full of the shells. I do not
think that there is anything alive in there.
TRUSTEE POL1WODA: They are all dead
MR. LANE: It just looks like shells to me.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is shallow water. I will make a Motion to
Table the apphcation for Joann & Dennis Lane. All in favor. ALL
AYES
PATRICIA MOORE: We will try again.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Feel free to meet us on the site. It is next
month. December 11th.
PATRICIA MOORE: We will do our best to met there.
19. Patricia C. Moore, Esq. on behalf of NAMROG HOLDING
CORP. request a Wetland Permit for second story addition over
existing structure - replacement of sanitary - (only if required by
Health Department). Located: 1935 Laurel Way Mattituck, NY
SCTM# 121-4-22
TRUSTEE KING; Is there anyone like to comment on this
application?
PATRICIA MOORE: This is a pretty self-explanatory. They are
renovating the house and putting a second story over the existing
structure. Mr. Gorman is here and it is Laurel Lake there is very
little development because most of the land has been acquired
though the county. For the most part it is the existing houses or the
ones that are the applications that you see. I do not believe there are
many lots remaining there.
TRUSTEE KING: I looked it and it is a second story addition. The
footprint isn't going to change at all. The only question that I had is
about the fill? But when I talked to the owner. It was only going to
be excavation for new sanitary systems put in.
PATRICIA MOORE: We hope that is not going to be the case. But
the Building Department may actually require us to go to the Health
Department and they require new sanitary.
TRUSTEE KING: That is the Health Department. It is right close
to the lake. A big wooden patio and deck and I cannot see it having
any impact on the area. It is already fully developed. What about
drywells for runoffyou think you need them.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: If you want to put them on put them on.
TRUSTEE KING: Would not hurt anything we add drywells and
gutters for the roof run-off.
PATRICIA MOORE: That is drywells that is not a problem.
TRUSTEE KING: Any other comments? Any comments from the
Board? Do I have a Motion to close the Heating?
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded.
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TRUSTEE KING All in favor. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE KING: I will make a Motion to Approve the
application.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KING: All in favor. ALL AYES
PATRICIA MOORE: Your condition on this permit will be
drywells.
TRUSTEE KING: Drywells for the run-off.
PATRICIA MOORE: Thank you.
20. Jennifer Gould, Esq. on behalf of SUZANNE EGAN request a
Wetland Permit and Coastal Erosion Permit to construct on bluff to
beach stairway on vacant land with accessory storage building.
Located: 37415 Main Road, Orient, NY SCTM#20-01-3.003
TRUSTEE FOSTE: Any comments on this application?
JENNIFER GOULD: Yes I am Jennifer Gould I representing
Suzanne Egan. Just to correct one thing the tax map number has
changed. This parcel has been set off and combined. Every time a
Tax Map comes out there is a new number for the parcel it is 3.7 as
opposed 3.3 do you have any questions?
TRUSTEE FOSTER: How did they get an accessory building on a
piece of vacant land?
JENNIFER GOULD: What it is if you look at the big survey of the
overall parcel. There is a parcel that is subject to the sale of
development rights and that is the vacant parcel. But it really is all
one parcel. This is just one Board we have to go to. I have to go to
the Land Preservation Committee as well because they have to
approve any permit. And the DEC. But that is what this and it is an
old cabana up there.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: No I looked at. I do not have any problem
with it. It is kind of straightforward. The stairs close. It is not
really not high above the bluff at all. Any other comments? Any
Board comments? I will make Motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: seconded.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES I will make a
Motion to Approve the application.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES
21. Garrett A. Strang, Architect on behalf of JOSEPH & THERESE
CIAMPA request a Wetland Permit to construct an addition to the
residence, install an in-ground swimming pool with a stone terrace,
add an extension to the existing dock with a catwalk and float and a
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stone path access. Located: 650 Beachwood Lane, Southold
SCTM#70-10-56
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Would anyone like to speak?
GARRETT STRANG: Yes, good evening Garrett Strang
representing the applicant Joseph & Teresa Ciampa. This is a
continuous from last month. I am sure that you remember. We
have made some modifications subsequent to our last presentation
before the Board. Most importantly we have withdrawn any
modifications to the dock. So we are leaving the dock as it
presently is. Which I think that is what the Board had asked us to
consider. We have in fact considered that. So that will be
withdrawn from this application. As far as altering that dock I
believe the Board has to take some action on that dock because I
think it was built not in keeping with what the Board had previously
approved from the prior owner. That is an open issue with the
Board on that existing dock. But we are not going to alter it at all.
We are going to leave it "as is". As the Board requested we have in
fact done the research and located and shown on the map you now
have in front of you. The septic system and the well, which we
suspected, were in the front yard. With respect to the elevated
screened porch on the east side of the building. We have reduced it
in size now down 10x12 and shifted the east side of it. So that it is
15 feet away from the property line, which is keeping with the
covenants and restrictions of the community. We shifted the
swimming pool a little bit so that it to will be 15 feet from the
property line. As the Board requested. We showed the footprint of
the neighbor to the east. The neighboring house to the east on the
site plan that is before you. So I do not know if the Board has any
other questions. I will be happy to address them at this time.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: How on earth are you going to access this
property. If anything ever happens here. If you have to get any
kind of machinery. You got eight feet - 8.9 feet - you have four on
the other side? Unbelievable. I guess you are going to ZBA after
you get out of here.
GARRETT STRANG: We are going to ZBA We have no other
alternative for the location of the swimming pool other than what is
shown there. That obviously will be an action by the ZBA as well.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Anyone else here to speak to this
application?
PATRICIA MOORE: As you recall I represent the neighbor to the
east side. Which is the side where the screened in porch is. We
thank them for moving it over away fi:om the property line. My
client makes the point that if you are going to grant this screened
porch to be 23 feet from the water. She hopes that you will have
more consideration if she wishes to expand because she eventually
will come in for a renovation to her house. It has al~vays been my
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belief you try to keep structures away from the back of the property.
So if you are granting this you are setting a president that we hope
that you will recognize neighboring properties that will want to do
the same thing.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comment?
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Any Board comment?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I never thought I say this but I agree with
Pat. I agree with the encroachment issue. It has always been our
policy to try to keep the houses in line and not have them encroach
the problem. Because you will get a leapfrog affect. Then it
becomes a problem overall. I do not have a problem with the pool
or any of the landscaping what not. The encroachment of the
buildings and it just came up two month. We had a problem in
Mattituck on Depot Creek. It reinforced what I felt about this.
Everything should be made to be kept in line as much as possible.
GARRETT STRANG: I would agree the only situation is if you
look at the key make on the site plan. You can notice that there is
an odd configuration to the cove that is created there. We are the
worst part of it with respect to this. So all the other houses as you
go east of the neighbor that Pat represents~ Because the lay of the
land is such or coming out a little bit further than we are at this
point. From the site inspection I thought that there might have
become more apparent.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Even taking that into consideration I really
do not see that encroachment. I do not know how the rest of the
Board looking at it. A 12x10 porch is not really a big unusable
space
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I would rather see the porch go on top of
the deck and it would like a more appropriate position.
GARREET STRANG: Well the idea the porch in its location is that
it is private screened room off the master bedroom. For the master
bedroom use exclusively. It is not meant to be a public
congregating area. So if you put on the deck. It is now accessible
to the living parts of the house. I do not know if there is size that
the Board would fred acceptable if we could reduce somewhat. But
again it is meant to be private little sitting area off the master
bedroom exclusively for that use.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well personally I object to it because you
are limited by the property itself. You are limited in what you can
do with it. Because of the size of the property. It is not a large
parcel not even a half-acre and I would rather not see the
encroachment.
TRUSTEE K1NG: I agree.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Artie
TRUSTEE FOSTER: What?
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Minus the porch
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI; Drywells
GARRETT STRANG: We can put drywells in the front yard
We have room in the front yard for drywells.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I also have a recommendation on the
stone path. That it contains it's own drainage. I do not want to see
the entire stone path running all the drainage into the marsh and into
the creek.
GARRETT STRANG: So what you are looking at is some kind ora
drainage system - drywells or something.
TRUSTE POL1WODA: Who ever build the stone path.
GARRETT STRANG: PUt a gutter or somettfing.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Just contain itself. Do not have it running
off into the creek.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Do we need new plans without the
porch?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Definitely-which will also show the
drywells.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Just to make sure, did I ask know one
else to speak to this application.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: No
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: I will make a Motion to close the
hearing.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: All in favor. ALL AYERS
I will make a Motion on behalf of Joseph & Therese Ciampa to
accept the Wetland Permit to construct an addition to the residence,
install an in-ground swimming pool with a stone terrace - Extension
to the existing deck is that the porch that I am talking about?
GARRETT STRANG: The screened porch on the east side of the
house is a proposed screened porch that is now being disallowed.
So that will be removed from the site plan.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Put the catwalk float and stone path?
GARRETTT STRANG: The catwalk, float is going to remain
As presently exists. Un~altered.
TRUSTEE KRUPSK~: Is this including a permit for that?
GARRETT STRANG: Well this Board brought to my attention -
last meeting - that the dock that presently exists as is apparently
deviates from that which was permitted to the previous owner and
built by the previous owner.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is this a request - did you incorporate this
present dock into the request. Yes you did. So this will leave the
dock as is.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: To approve what exists now.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Put it on the survey.
GARRETT STRANG: It is on there as is. It is shown presently on
the survey you have in front of you. As it exists and noted as such.
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TRUSTEE DICKERSON: The stipulations were a drainage system
for the stone path and no screened in porch - new plans showing
that.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: All in favor. ALL AYES
22. Garrett A. Strang, Architect on behalf of THOMAS
MALONEY requests a Wetland Permit for proposed addition
to existing residence including deck, stone terrace and wall;
catwalk and dock relocate septic system. Located: 1475
Smith Drive North, Southold, NY SCTM#76-02-03
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Anyone would like to comment on
this application?
GARRETT STRANG: Garret Strang representing the
Maloney's. As the application reads we are proposing
additions and alteration to the existing house. Which are
inclusive of the decking and stone terraces of grade. So
decorative landscape - decorative wall of course the most
important issue here is the catwalk, boardwalk, ramp and
float. Of course the application includes the relocation of the
existing septic system. Which will be moved further away
from the wetland or the edge of the creek. If they're any
questions of the Board?
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Was it staked when you saw it?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I do not remember. The house itself is
self-explanatory. The project itself. I cannot recall it was
staked or not.
GARRETT STRANG: We did not stake it at this time
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Did you look at this?
GARRETT STRANG: As Mr. Krupski has noted it was pretty
self-evident. As to where things were going to go based on
the footprint of the house. The stonewall is pretty much is in
the line of the edge of the brush and the woodland exists.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: We had questions about the dock
and the length. And how it would extend out into a narrow
canal. You have a note Jim?
TRUSTEE KING: Yes, I have is reducing the size.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Right. We are looking for the length
and at the marsh.
GARRETT STRANG: The dock and at the edge of marsh.
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TRUSTEE POLIWODA: The fixed catwalk and then you have
a ramp and float just as the neighboring docks do.
GARRETT STRANG: That is what we had proposed because
the neighbor immediately to the east here we are trying to
replicate exactly what they have.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It just did not seem like it matched.
It looked like it would extend further. I would as the fixed
catwalk will end at the edge of marsh. The ramp and float
right there.
GARRETT STRANG: I have no challenge with that.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: God it is very narrow.
GARRETT STRANG: It is a very narrow creek at that point.
The channel in there must be quite small.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA; Any other Board comments?
Anyone else have a comment? On this application. Any
Board comments? Looking at the plans.
TRUSTEE KRUPKh I do not know if you need hay bales
because you are building a wall. Backfilling behind it. I would
think.
GARRETT STRANG: Actually we are probably not going to
be doing any backfilling with respect to that wall is directive.
It is a dry laid stonewall part of the landscaping fixture. The
terrace is going to be on grade. So we are really not filling in
anything there.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Are you putting a foundation under the
house?
GARRETT STRANG: Under the house itself yes. That is part
of the project. Because there isn't there one there now.
TRUSTEE KRU7PSKh Maybe we could have a row of hay
bales during construction.
GARRETT STRANG: That certainly is not a challenge at all,
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Staked row of hay bales. Not the
whole length of the property. Just in front of project. Drywells
for roof run-off. Elevation enough for drywells.
GARRETT STRANG: Yes we are pretty high at that point.
We are above elevation ten, based upon the Suffolk County
map. So there should be no problem there with drywells at
all.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So that was the only concern I had
there.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: No other comments? I will make a
Motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: All in favor. ALL AYES
I will make a Motion to Approve the Wetland Permit for
THOMAS MALONEY which includes the addition to the
residence - stone terrace wall - catwalk which will end at the
edge of the marsh with a ramp and float extending beyond
that - relocate the septic systems and there will be roof-run-
off drywell systems also included - hay bale line included
during construction.
TRUSTEE DICKFRSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: All in favor. ALL AYES
GARRETT STRANG: Thank you very much have a good
night.
23. David Corwin on behalf of WILLIAM & ROBERTA
JAKLEVIC requests a Wetland Permit to remove 186 linear feet of
deteriorated timber bulkhead - construct in same location - 186
linear feet of new vinyl sheet bulkhead dredge approximately 40
cubic yards of lost fill - reta'm dredge spoil behind bulkhead.
Located: 900 Old Harbor Road, New Suffolk, NY SCTM#117-5-
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TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Who would like to speak to this
application?
DAVID CORWiN: Good evening my name is David Corwin if
you have any questions I will try to answer them.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: I looked at this afternoon. Does
anyone have any comments?
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: How did it look in the canal could
you see the bottom?
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: No it is very good - in kind and in
place.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Normally on an application like this we
only send one person. Because it was pretty straightforward.
We also like to recommend a non-turf buffer after construction
- ten foot wide - non-turf buffer. Some people put gravel
some people plant it with a different native species that will
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live there. We do not want to see turf grasses right up the
bulkhead.
DAVID CORWIN: I am sure that we can do that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is a disturbed area I do not know if
anyone else has any other comments. That was pretty
straightforward.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: No
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: I will make a Motion to Close the
Hearing.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: I will make a Motion to Approve
David Corwwin on behalf of WILLIAM & ROBERTA
JAKLEVlC for a Wetland Permit to remove 180 linear feet of
deteriorated timber bulkhead - construct in same location-
156 linear feet of new vinyl sheet bulkhead dredge
approximately 40 cubic yards of lost fill - retain dredge spoil
behind bulkhead with a ten foot non-turf buffer- Seconded
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: All in favor. ALL AYES
24. Thomas W. Cramer Consulting Group on behalf of MARJORIE
& MARTIN DUNN requests a Wetland Permit to construct a 59'
retaining wall and 16'x32'inground pool - swimming pool is 64.5'
from tidal wetlands- remove existing portion driveway. Located:
1570 Ole Jule Lane, Mattituck, NY SCTM#122-04-03
IRUSTE[ FOSTER: Anyone to speak on behalf of this
application?
THOMAS GRAMER: Good evening my name is Thomas
Gramer principal of the firm of Thomas W. Gramer Gonsulting
Group. With offices in Miller Place. Given the hour I will not
go through a full presentation. We are proposing a
swimming pool in the side yard with a retaining wall adjacent
to that. The swimming pool and the retaining wall will go in
the area approximately where there is an existing driveway.
The driveway itself right now slopes down to the wetlands all
the run-off goes into the wetlands with the swimming pool and
the retaining wall the way it is located will be eliminating
existing paving closer to the wetlands and the square footage
of the pool and deck area is approximately the same in fact it
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is about one hundred feet less square feet than the current
driveway. The way it is laid out. There is one minor addition
we would like to make to this plan at this time. If the Board
would consider it. We would like a 10x20 foot sunscreen
trellis area, Immediately adjacent to the house, In the area
on your plan it says concrete. It would just a trellis area on
top of the existing concrete that we are proposing. That
serves two purposes not just for shade. In the area but also
in tying the swimming pool together with the house. We will
be able to avoid going to a variance through the Board of
Appeals. For side yard set back. If the Board has any
questions? I would be glad to try to answer them.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I would just like to see a small drywell
for the back wash of the pool.
THOMAS CRAMER: That is fine. No problem.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Any other comments? Board
comments? I will make a Motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES
I will make a Motion to Approve the application with the
stipulations of drywell for backwash is installed. Row of
staked hay bales out side the construction line.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES
THOMAS CRAMER: Could you include the sunscreen the
trellis also?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Why not provide us - we will put it into
the description but supply us with a plan that shows that.
THOMAS CRAMER: Surely.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I think it was intention to include that.
Give us a plan showing that and that is fine.
THOMAS CRAMER: Very good thank you - Good night.
25. ALPHA CONSULTING on behalf of ANTItONY DANIELE for
a Wetland Permit to re-construct in place approximately 162 linear
feet of existing bulkhead with 8"x 10' piles, C-Loc Vinyl Sheathing
and 6"x6" Wales. Located: 990 Koke Drive, Southold, NY
SCTM#87-05-09
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Is there anyone to speak about this
application? Did he resubmit another drawing?
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Did he bring anything in this week -
Charlotte?
CHARLOTTE CUNNINGHAM: No he did not.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: This doesn't even show what he
proposed.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh After we were out there we told him
instead of taking this off take it off all the way to here. But I
guess he did not like that idea.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Yes he did and I told him to put on a
piece of paper. This is September 28th; he did not submit any
thing.
TRUSTEE KRUPKSh Just let us approve this one
TRUSTEE KING: He can come in and amend it if he wants.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Because he did want to do it. Do I
have a Motion to close the hearing?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh We still have to know were the fill is
going to go.
(Baby crying)
CATHERINE MESlANOI: Can I make a request that Mr.
Nicolazzi be heard first since he is kind of delayed here. He
has a way also to travel.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I was going to suggest that. This here
has bogged us down. This Danielle application.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: I am reading it. Trying to find out where
the fill is supposed to go?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Let us just move on. He has to show it
- we can approve it and show us before he gets the permit.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: I made a Motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES
1 will make a Motion toe Approve the application of
ANTHONY DANIELE for a Wetland Permit to re-construct in
place approximately 162 linear feet if existing bulkhead with
the stipulation that he must identify his spoil site prior to
starting the work.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA; Seconded.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES
(Baby still crying)
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26. Catherine Mesiano Inc. on behalf of HELEN DIDRIKSEN
request a Wetland Permit to construct a 4'x 15' timber dock
3'xl 2' ramp and 6'x20' float secured with 4 10" diameter piles.
Located: Robinson Road, Southold, NY SCTM#81-1-g&10
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: is there anyone who would like to
speak in favor of the application?
CATHERINE MESIANO: Catherine Mesiano on behalf of the
applicant. We met at the site - maybe I should back up here
to request a dock - floating dock and ramp and the re-
construction of the existing wood deck. After our site
inspection and the trustee's comments we revised the plan.
Pursuant to your comments and that is for your consideration.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is exactly what we asked for. Is
there any other comment?
NEIGHBOR: I do not know what the changes are?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Take a look. That is what we asked
for
NEIGHBOR: No I am Andrea - we bought the other piece of
their property. I am Andrea Koehler I am an adjacent
neighbor. They made it parallel- like it had been pre-
existing.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is correct.
MRS. KOEHLER: That is what we wanted,
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh That is what the Board requested.
MRS. KOEHLER: You can keep that for the next application
we are going to talk about. That is all that we were looking
for. So is there anyway we can get a copy.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Come in tomorrow and get a copy. I
will make a Motion.
MRS. KOEHLER: Can I ask you why you ask them to do
this?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Because it is consistent with the dock
- Mrs. Zupa dock and so it is consistent with that part of the
spacing. Do I have a Motion toe close the hearing?
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: So moved.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh All in favor. All Ayes.
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I will make a Motion to Approve the application of HELEN
DIDRIKSEN with the amended plan.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES
27. Catherine Mesiano Inc. on behalf ofRONALD & KRIS
HERMANCE request a Wetland Permit to construct a 4'x28' fixed
timber dock, 4'x12' ramp, 6'x20' float secured with 4 10" diameter
piles. Located: 240 Briar Lane, Southold, NY SCTM#81-1-16.8
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Would anyone like to comment on
the application?
CATHERINE MESIANO: Catherine Mesiano on behalf of the
applicant. Again we met at the site. You appeared to have
no objections and if you have any questions at this time. I am
prepared to answer them.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA; Thank you - yes -
MRS. KOEHLER: Andrea Koehler the only thing that is not
on the application. We fully support his right to have a dock
and everything. The only thing is - is that there are no exact
distance measurements. We are in the process of getting a
survey of the whole basin. So we can always be on the same
page. I think it might be critical that from the Boyd property
line out to the entrance to the channel. We were thinking that
the maximum that dock could be was to the half waypoint or it
might cause so the ingress traffic. We do not see a distance
written where this dock is placed?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: There is a cross section of the plan.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It looks like
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It shows about six feet out is the
catwalk and then the ramp and the float.
MRS. KOEHLER: I mean the distance from along the
property where it exactly will be. From the other properties.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Where the stakes are horizontally
on the property.
CATHERINE MESIANO: We show a property line; we show
the dock it is scalable.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It is right there.
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MRS. KOEHLER: Can you look at that picture, because I
think it will show you the concern. Can I just show you the
spot - here it goes from this property line to there and we
think that if it is in the middle it is just okay. But if it is right
there it cOuld start causing some traffic. It looks like it is just
right here. When we looked at the eye.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh What is the scale on that Cathy.
CATHERINE MESlANO: It is, just let me find it. It should be
a forty but I am looking for it. The scale is a thirty upper left.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh About 120 feet off the property.
MRS. KOEHLER: Would there be any chance that we could
analyze this? Before it is past to make sure that it is not close
to the channel. We are not opposing the dock. We just want
to make sure that traffic pattern is not a problem for
everybody that has a dock.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh We looked at it in the field. Nobody
picked that out.
CATHERINE MESlANO: It would be more of a problem if it
where moved because the length of the property owner's
dock would obstruct - would serve to obstruct the navigability.
That is why this is offset in that northerly direction. Because it
was brought more southerly it would create too narrow a
space between the end of the Association Dock and our
proposed dock. You have a bogging down between the
adjoining, where it says existing float on the neighbor's
property. 1 think that is the Boyd property. There would be
congestion because of the proxicimity of our proposed dock to
the end of the Association Docks. Those Association Docks
appear to go much more of a third of the way across the
basin.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It would be my recommendation to
remove the docks that are not permitted inside that Cove.
CATHERINE MESIANO: That is a whole other issue. We are
just here for our dock.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh This dock is consistent with what this
Board is approving right now. Length and size.
MRS. KOEHLER: Do you think that it is okay. With what you
are looking at would not cause a problem with the other
people going in.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: With navigation? No.
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MRS KOEHLER: No you do not think so. Aren't specific-
the number you just gave me. The one twenty that the
number that I am suppose to rely on. That is the place where
is dock will be.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Roughly you can scale it out.
MRS. KOEHER: I scaled Didriksen it was little off. That is
why I did the ruler thing. So it is like approximately one
twenty.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is hugging the shoreline. The way
that is taken. With the tree hanging over - that tree may even
obscure the dock once it is built.
MRS. KOEHLER: That is where we would think it would be
best placed. The map makes it look like it is more than
2/3rds.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I will make a Motion to close the
hearing.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: One recommendation that I am sure
that you can get it through the DEC is to have it come
straight off the bank. No reason to have it go up three feet.
CATHERINE MESlANO: I agree because at the bank- at
the top of the bank we are not at wetlands. It drops off so
drastically I agree with you.
KRUPSKh I will make a motion to close the
TRUSTEE
hearing.
TRUSTEE
TRUSTEE
I will make
TRUSTEE
TRUSTEE
DICKERSON: Seconded.
KRUPSKh All in favor. ALL AYES
a Motion to Approve the application.
POLIWODA: Seconded.
KRUPSKh All in favor. ALL AYES
CATHERINE MEIANO: Thank you
28. Catherine Mesiano Inc. on behalf of DOMINIC NICOLAZZI
request a Wetland Permit to construct a 50'x115' irreg. Two story
house and attached garage - 45'x79' irreg. Deck and in ground
pool, septic system, pervious driveway, site grading, two proposed
elevated walks, 3.5'x100' and 3.5'x60' both minimum 3' above
grade and 4'x75' fixed timber dock minimum 3.5' above grade with
4'x8' steps to grade - 3'x325' wood chip paths. Located:
Waterview Drive & Main Bayview, Southold, NY SCTM#78-7-9
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TRUSTEE KIRUPSKh Did I skip one? Is there any one who
would like to speak in favor of the application.
CATHERINE MESlANO: Catherine Mesiano behalf of
applicant. After our site inspection. Your recommendations
were taken into consideration and I presented you with
revised plans both the site plan and the dock plan. If you
have any questions. I would be more than happy to try to
answer them. The new plan the Sea Level Mapping lower
right hand corner amended 11/18 is that you are asking.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is not it.
CATHERINE MESlANO: Then what are you asking me.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I am looking for my amended plan and I
cannot find it.
CATHERINE MESlANO: When I came up before, I handed
you new plans for Nicolazzi.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh It shows hay bales - drywells for pool.
and roof run-off. Proposed clearing limit goes all the way
around here. The proposed clearing limit kind of fades out
there. Actually it meets the edge of wetlands so that does not
work. Say proposed clearing limit. It is the hay bale I was
looking at this contour line. I thought it was there. It is just a
hay bale line.
TRUTEE POLIWODA: You lowered the dock and did you
shorten it.
CATHERINE MESlANO: We did not shorten it Ken. I will tell
you why. If it were shorter we have the problem of dragging a
canoe or kayak through the muck. Rather than have it
floating. If you are concerned about scouring the bottom and
disturbance. We would rather see the structure float than
have the structure in one foot of water. Because that tends to
be problem. We are only in two feet of water. We have to
take off the stairs on one side that was the one thing that he
missed. This plan, Al, is one hundred scale..
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I just want to see the edge of wetlands.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I do not agree with that Cathy. I
believe it should be a lot shorter and a canoe can you will
have your days with super Iow tides and big northwest winds.
But for the most part it will be. Ninety percent of the time you
.can figure the float.
MR. NICOLAZZh If I can draw upon your expertise. The only
thing that 1 was concerned about by backing it in. The
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difference between 1.8 feet that is almost twenty percent of
my total depth. If I did that.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It is three inches.
MR. NICOLAZZI: It is only a couple of inches but it is still
twenty percent of my depth.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: If you ever came in - in a jam.
Three inches of incoming tides will take you fifteen minutes.
Cause the water will come up three inches. That is a lot of
dock in a spot with there really is no docks.
TRUSTEE KRUPSLh You have heard us all night. Trying to
minimize the sizes of the docks. You are the last in line. If
we cut it back now and it really is unusable. You can come
back and amend it next year. If you really cannot get any
use out of it.
CATHERINE MESlANO: Draw one straight line from the 1.8
to 1.9 so we would be cutting off the last section.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Twelve feet - take twelve feet off of it.
CATHERINE MESlANO: So we are going to draw the line
from one point eight to one point nine. That cuts through
where the piles are and that reduces the length by twelve
feet. Put the steps straight down - you do not care in what
direction they go off right. Just one-step rather two.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Trust me you will be happy too.
When you are driving down Bayview and looking at. You will
be glad we did not go those twelve feet.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh What size piles Ken.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Six inch all six inch throughout.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh If there are any other comments? I
will close the hearing.
TRUSTEE KING: So moved.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh All in favor. ALL AYES
I will make a Motion to Approve the application with the
amended plan no change to the house, pool application and
only change the shortening length catwalk into water by
twelve feet and removing one half of the stairs.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: All in favor. ALL AYES
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I am going to recluse myself on this
next one. So please have someone read it.
29. Catherine Mesiano, Inc. On behalf of GRACE KEHLE request a
Wetland Permit to construct a low profile 3'x95' fixed timber dock,
minimum 2.5' above grade with 3'x8' steps to grade. Located: 450
Strohson Road, Cutchogue, NY SCTM#103-10-20
TRUSTEE FOSTER: Speaking on behalf of the application
is?
CATHERINE MESlANO: Catherine Mesiano on behalf of the
applicant. I have to ask if we can hold this over until next
month. I made an error in the mailing and the mailing was not
correct. So it would not be appropriate to call this hearing.
Because I cannot give you a valid affidavit of mailing. But I
would like to discuss it if you would not mind. Peg, I think you
were there and met the Kehle's at the property today.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Yes, I met them this afternoon.
They wanted to change the position.
CATHERINE MESIANO: The problem that we are having just
to refresh every one memory. Is that originally we came in?
Wanted to put a dock in the center of the property out into the
creek. Which at the point is very narrow. It is only forty-five
feet and we got into a problem with the DEC. They did not
want us to even get the dock far enough out of muck. So
then we revisited the situation and I had three plans drawn
up. One for a proposal in the center of the property. One for
a proposal in the western corner of the property which would
be the inner most section of the creek. One at the outer most
easterly section of the property where the creek opens up.
Into the larger part of the bay. After considering it and looking
at the practical aspects of this. Mr. Kehle feels strongly that
he would like the Board to consider a proposal for his dock.
At the easterly most portion of the property it is the shortest
distance to the open water. It is the point where the creek
opens up. He would like to do more I am looking at this and I
am seeing soundings, I just do not see depths where we can
get anything with floats.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Cathy if I can interrupt. If you look at
the neighboring docks to the south. There is a fixed catwalk
that almost goes basically maybe a foot over the edge of the
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marsh. He has a tie up piling maybe ten feet to the east. So
he has a fixed catwalk and a tie up pilings. We looked at that
and we figured that would be the best solution to this
applicant.
CATHERINE MESlANO: His pile then is about the same
distance off of the edge of the marsh. As the end of his dock.
The neighbor is that what you are.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: The catwalk ends two feet beyond
the edge of the marsh. Then he has a piling about two feet
off the edge of the marsh - ten feet up. We figured that
probably would be the best solution to this whole scenario in
that location because it at least it only where a dock can is
currently happening. It will not phragment all of the marsh
that exists to the east.
CATHERINE MESlANO: I will go back to him and explain
that to him. Because I agree with you. 1 do not see how on
the northeasterly side of that property. He is going to get any
depths. He does have more meaning - He does have little
more.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I am familiar in there. It is very
shallow muddy on that side - on the east side. He will not be
able to navigate half the time anyway. The whole entire
channel fills up.
CATHERINE MESlANO: I will go back to him and try to
educate him and make him understand that this is more.
Advantageous. I will come back next month because I could
not give you an affidavit of mailing. Because I knew it was
incorrect. So we can just conclude it next month. Thank you.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Does he know how to Jet Ski?
CATHERINE MESlANO: Maybe he will learn. But don't you
have a prohibition to those thing that close to the shore.
TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Five mile per hour.
CATHERINE MESlANO: I am not a fan of Jet Skies. I live a
mile from the water and I can hear them.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh Can we end this.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: I will make a Motion to Table the
application.
TRUSTEE DICKERSON: Seconded.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: All in favor. ALL AYES.
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30. Catherine Mesiano, Inc. on behalf of ARSAK TERJANIAN
request a Wetland Permit for a pre-existing "retaining wall".
Located: 55255 Rt. 48, Greenport, NY SCTMg44-1-9
APPLICATION INCOMPLETE
31. NEIL McGOLDRICK request a Wetland Permit to maintenance
dredge an irregularly shaped area of approximately 55'x280' at the
inlet of Hall's Creek at Great Peconic Bay to a maximum depth of-
5 MLW - resultant spoil - approximately 2,000 c.y. of sand shall be
placed at he beach west of the inlet. Located: New Suffolk
Avenue, Mattituck, New York SCTM#116-4-16.4
APPLICATION INCOMPLETE
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What about the Fisher's Island ones.
Did anybody make an effort to see them?
TRUSTEE KING: No I did not.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: No but I will go if you want.
CHARLOTTE CUNNINGHAM: Keith will take you - Artie but
you have to go over to Connecticut.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Who
CHARLOTTE CUNNINGHAM: Keith from Docko he has
offered to take you. Anybody that wants to go.
TRUSTEE FOSTER: I will fly over
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh I will make a Motion to Table the three
applications from Docko.
TRUSTEE KING: Seconded.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKh All in favor. ALL AYES
32. D ocko, Inc. on behalf of JOSEPH PENDERGAST request a
Wetland Permit to construct 28+/- lfof4 foot wide pile and timber
pier - install an 8'x24' float with associated 40 foot hinged ramp
and restraint pilings, five tie off pilings all water ward of the
apparent high water line. Located: Oriental Avenue, Fisher's Island,
NY SCTM#10-10-10 Application tabled
33. Docko, Inc. on behalf of HAY HARBOR CLUB requests a
Wetland Permit at the diving area at the swimming dock filled in
with sand from gales from the west and northwest to be dredged 3
feet +/- dredged sand will be transported by barge over to the Mobil
Dock in West Harbor and off loaded- trucked back to replenish the
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beach near the south dock used for upland fill purposes - landward
of the MHW line. Located Bell Hill Avenue, Fisher's Island, NY
SCTM~9-3-1 Application Tabled
34. Docko, Inc. on behal£ o£ RICHARD BINGHAM requests a
Wetland Permit to extend an existing 6' wide fixed pier by 30 (+/=)
If. To reach suitable berthing depth all water ward o£the apparent
high water line. Located: Central Avenue4, Fisher's Island, NY
SCTMg6~4-2 Application Tabled
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Meeting adjourned.
Meeting Adjourned: 10:45 p.m.
Respectfully submitted by:
Board of Trustees
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