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HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB-10/05/1993375 SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD OCTOBEP~ 5, 1993 WORK SESSION Present: Supervisor Scott L. Harris, Justice Raym'ond W. Edwards, Councilman George L. Penny IV, Councilman Thomas H. Wickham, Councilman Joseph J. Lizewski, Councilwoman Alice J. Hussie, Town Clerk Judith T. Terry, Town Attorney Harvey A. Arnoff, Assistant Town Attorney Matthew G. Kiernan. 9:45 A~M. -.Mark Wacjner, Cameron Enc~ineerinc~, P.C. met with the Town Board to discuss recent work performed by Bensin Contracting at the Scavenger Waste Treatment' Plant in Greenport. As a result of Mr. Wagner's report, it was agreed Bensin should be paid 95% of the contract amount, and the remaining 5% when Village employees have been trained properly at the plant. Mr. Wagner was asked to submit a proposal to look at a more efficient method of getting rocks out of the system. 10:15 A.M. - Bob Costanzo, Executive Director of Umbrella Senior Home Service, Ltd. met with the Town Board to ask them to fund one outreach person in the Town's 1994 Budget. The Board agreed to consider his reqUest. Mr.. Costanzo explained Umbrella!s "Seniors Helping Seniors" program, a not-for-profit home maintenance program, and the newly created "People Helping People" program, whereby developmentally disabled person helps a senior on a one-to-one basis. 10:25 A.M. - Chris Taluto and Bob White met with the Town Board to request an annual funding grant for the Rail Road Museum of Long Island at Greenport. They are now chartered, and the Town provides grants to chartered museums. Supervisor Harris stated that they qualify for a grant and it will be.placed in the 1994 Budget. Mr. Taluto informed the Town Board that they are actively working with the Stewardship Task Force on a transportation level, as well as the chambers, and the merging of Engine 39 with the Rail Road Museum of Long Island at Greenport will soon be a reality. 10:45 A.M. For Discussion Items: (1) See meeting with Mark Wagner at 9:45 A.M. (2) Assistant Town Attorney Kiernan reported on a letter he recently received from Greenport Village Attorney Daniel Ross stating that the Village wishes to enter into formal negotiations on the East-West Fire Protection District with regard to the Fireman's Service Award Program. The Village Board is not satisfied with the Town Board's resolutior~' of September 8th agreeing to reimburse the Village 46% of the cost of maintaining the service award program. The Town Board agreed that Mr. Kiernan and Councilman. Penny should begin negotiations with the Village for the amendment to the contract. 10:50 A.M. - Linda Warren, Cutchogue, appeared before the Town Board to protest the False Alarm Fine schedule under the Town's Alarm Systems law. She cited the charges imposed by the Town of Southampton, which start out at $25.00 after the first false alarm, that the fact that Riverhead has fine provisions in their'law~ but does not enforce it. Justice Edwards and Councilman Lizewski expressed their opinion the fine schedule should be lowered. Town Attorney Arnoff recommended that if a change is consi~tered, it be only for residential. The Board agreed the matter should be referred to the Legislative Committee for study. 11:45 A.M. - Mary Ann Fleischman, Chairperson of the Southold Town Youth Board, met with the Board to report on the success of the Localpalozza 93' (youth rock band groups) which ~vas held on August 14th at the Recreation Center, and to bring them up to date on the Youth Board Raffle to be held at the time of the Cocktail- less Youth Party on October 23rd. Councilman Wickham asked Town Attorney Arnoff whether the raffle is legal, llown Attorney'Arnoff assured him it~is, he does not see any impediment to holding a raffle. Ms. Fleischman presented the Board with a flow-chart explaining the relationship between the Town Board, Human Resources, Youth Bureau, Youth Board, and Youth Council. She explained that Human Resources and Youth Bureau work hand-in-hand, the Youth Bureau does not work under Human Resources. Ms. Fleischman requested time to sit down with the Board at budget time to review the Youth Bureau line item. EXECUTIVE SESSION 12:15. P.M. - On motion of Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Councilman Wickham, it was Resolved that the Town Board enter into Executive Session. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Supervisor Harris, Justice Edwards, Councilman Penny, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Lizewski, Councilwoman Hussie.---The Board met with Labor Relations consultant Robert Yaccarino to discuss personnel matters. 12:35 P.M. - Recess for~ lunch. 2.:10 P.M[ -Work Session reconvened and the Board continued For Discussion Items: (3) Request from Stephen J. Nostrom, Founder of the Lyme Borrelia Out-Reach, Mattituck, for use of the Recreation center for a Lyme Disease Educational Seminar (see resolution no. 23). (4) Town Board determined that anyone who produces a Certificate of Authority for resale may purchase Town garbage bags wholesale - by the case. All special districts (fire, park, school) come under the same guidelines. Discuss on was held with regard to the size description of the bags. Due to an inaccurate figure provided by the manufacturer, a resolution was placed on the agenda, correcting the-bag sizes (see resolution no. 22). 2:30 P.M. - The Town Board reviewed the resolutions to be voted on at the 4:00 I~M. Regular Meeting. 2:50 P.M. -Work Session adjourned. REGULAR MEETING A Regular Meetincj of the Southold Town Board was held on Wednesday, October 5, 1993, at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York. Supervisor Harris opened the meeting at 4:00 P.M., with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag. Present: · SUPERVISOR HARRIS: bills of October 5, 1993. Supervisor Scott L. Harris Justice Raymond W. Edwards Councilman George L. Penny IV Councilman Thomas H. Wickham Councilman Joseph .i. Lizewski Councilwoman Alice J. Hussie Town Clerk Judith T. Terry Town Attorney Harvey A. Arnoff At this time, I need a motion to approve the audit of the OC;TOBER 5, 1993 377 Moved by Councilman Wickham, se(~onded by Justice Edwards, it was RESOLVED that the followinc, i bills be and hereby ordered paid: General Fund Whole Town bills in the amount of $112,470.42; General Fund Part Town bills in the amount 'of $12,575.76; Nutrition Fund bills in the amount of $900.00; Adult Day Care bills in the amount of $100.00; SNAP Program bills in the amount of $4,474.62; EISEP Program bills in the amount of $471.00; Highway Fund Whole Town bills in the amount of $6,367.21; Highway Fund Part Town bills in the amount of $3,037.90; Ag Land Development Rights bills in the amount of $271,402.00; Human Resource Center bills in the amount of $325.00; Scavenger Waste Facility bills in the amount of $35,325.31; Employee Health Benefit. Plan bills in the amount of $33,239.30; Fishers lsland~Ferry District bills in the'amount of $28,599.19; Fishers Island Sewer District bills in the ~amount of $607.00; Southold Agency & Trust bills in the amount of $7,274.43; Fishers Island Ferry District bills in the amount of $737.64; Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: We need a motion to approve the minutes from September 10th Special Town Board meeting, September 21, and October 1st, all of them Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Wickham, it was RESOLVED that the minutes of the September 10, 1993, Special Town Board meeting, the September 21, 1993 Rec. lular Town Board meeting, and the October 1, 1993 Special Town Board meetinc/ be and hereby approved. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. This re'solution was declared duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: We need a motion .to approve the next Town Board meeting set for OCtober 19, 1'993 at 7:30 P.M. Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Penny, it was RESOLVED that the next regular meeting of the Southold Town Board will be at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, October 19, 1993, at the Southold Town Hall, Southold, New York. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes~ Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. ~UPERVISOR .... HARRIS: At this time it gives me great pleasure to announce that October 10th to 16th, 1993, obviously, is Archive Week in the Town of Southoldo We have Toni Booth here, our Town Historian, and Judy Terry, our Town Clerk, and Record Management Officer at the same time. We just going to accept all three postions as being hard working for the history of the archivals of the Town records, and at this time it gives me great honor to read to you that proclamation on behalf of the Archive Week. Moved by Supervisor Harris, second, ed by The Entire Town Board, WHEREAS, archives help us anchor our rapidly changing society in the stream of time, document our stewardship of the present, and remind us of our accountability to future generations; and WHEREAS, archives are C~ntral to research and education, both now and in the future; and WHEREAS, the archives of ou'r governments protect the rights of citizens, support the effective operation of government, and document the eveolution of our democracy; and WHEREAS, archives are essential to understanding the diversity of our society and the deveiopment of our private and non-profit organizations; and WHEREAS, the sound selection, preservation, accessibility, and board use of archival records are vital to the present and future citizens of the Town of Southold; and WHEREAS, greater public awareness of archival conditions and increased support for archival programs in Southold Town is urgently needed; and WHEREAS, the Town of Southold, under the direction of the Town Clerk/Records Management Officer has been awarded grants for the past three years from The State Education Department, and recently enacted a Records Management Law and appointed a Records Management Advisory Board, with the Town Historian as a prominent member, to assist in guiding the future archival programs of Southold Town; and 378 OCTOBER 5, 1993 WHEREAS, the second week in October is being celebrated statewide as NEW YORK ARCHIVES WEEK; now, therefore, be it RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town'of Southold do hereby proclaim OCTOBER 10-16, 1993 as ARCHIVES WEEK IN THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD. DATED: October 5, 1993. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, S.upervisor Harris. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Congratulations, ladies. Keep up the great job that you' are doing.. I'm sure everybody here is more appreciative that you realize, that the history of our Town, being we are the oldest town in the State of New York, 352 years old, is forever changing, and those records must be preserved at all times. Congratulations to both of you. TOWN CLERK TERRY: Thank you. Thank you, Toni. Thank you for staying. I. REPORTS. 1993. 1. Southold Town Building Department Monthly Report for August, 1993. 2. Supervisor's Monthly Budget Report for August 31, 1993. 3. Southold Town's Program for the Disabled Monthly Report for September, Southold Town Justice Tedeschi's Monthly Report for September, 1993. 5. Southold Town Clerk's Monthly Report for September, 1993. 6, Councilmen's Report. 7. Supervisor's Report. 11'. PUBLIC NOTICES. None III. COMMUNICATIONS. None. IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS. 1. 4:30 P.M. "A Local Law in Relation to Parking Permits". 2. 4:32 P.M. "A Local Law in Relation to Landfill Tipping Fees". V. RESOLLJTIONS." SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Before we do the business of the day, resolutions, ~ire there any members of the audience, that would like to address this Board on resolu- ;tions that we'll be acting .upon in the next few minutes? 'i=~ANK CARLIN:- Frank 'Car'lin, Laurel. Item #9 gives permission to Barbara Rudder to attend the New York State Department of Labor, East End Job Service EmpJoyee Committee Luncheon, is that really an itemized resolution? You, as Supervisor, can't say you can go out to lunch? That's what it's all about this resolution? SUPERVISOR HARRIS: We do, Frank, because we're authorizing an employee to travel to this place, to take a vehicle if necessary, and this person is on Town time. There's insurance that's involved here, and it absolutely requires a resolu- tion. FRANK CARLIN: You're the Supervisor. Don't you have enough power to say? TOWN ATTORNEY ARNOFF: No. FRANK CARLIN: No?- It has to be a resolution. I mean you work for some employee, when you want to go to a lunch, or something, the boss can say, go ahead, go. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: This is in an official capacity. She has to be authorized to go. TOWN CLERK TERRY: You might want to mention that this pertains to Worker's Compensation, and to this new Family and Medical Leave Act-, that effects the Town of Southold. FRANK CARLIN: I understand that. It still becomes under the rules in your posi- tion as Town Supervisor. I don't think I'd want to be a Town Supervisor, because you dont' have any power. To me that's minor, to put on there as a resolution. It's minor stuff. You should have the power to come and say, to do this. Just like money, I think you're allowed, what is it up to $5,000.00, or $7,000.00 you can give the okay on. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Before $5,000.00, they can authorize a check. After that I have to sign. FRANK CARLIN: That's what I'm trying to say. This one here, #11, I don't know, maybe Judge Edwards can answer this. This authorizes the Board of Commissioners of Fishers Isalnd for the new roof on the Community Theatre, what that new roof to go on the movie house? JUSTICE EDWARDS: Yes. The movie theatre is on Town property, but the cus- todianship of the Town property over there is through the Ferry District. Now, any resolution that the Ferry District has any piece of work, any big expenditure like this has to be approved by the Town Board, because the Ferry District does not have the bonding capabilities of doing their own bidding. They're not an entity on their own. Everything comes through the Town Board. FRANK CARLIN: This will be funded by the Town, this new roof. JUSTICE EDWARDS: No, no, no, this will be paid for by the Ferry District. FRANK CARLIN: The Ferry District. It has nothing to do with the Town? JUSTICE EDWARDS: The Town per se can not contribute to any district, whether it be a Fire District, a Ferry District, a Sewer District, or what have you, so this is strictly a district expenses. FRANK CARLIN: Okay. What I was concerned with if this was being paid for by taxpayers' money. JUSTICE EDWARDS: I wish it were being paid for by the whole town. FRANK CARLIN: I'd be up there.. JUSTICE EDWARDS: I know you would. FRANK CARLIN: One more item, number 14, stump grinder. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: We're going out to bid. That's what the resolution is. FRANK CARLIN: That one you got there is no good? SUPERVIOSR HARRIS: This is a stump grinder that is towed behind a dump truck, that goes on-site. It grinds stump in place, instead of ripping them out of the ground, and ripping up the sewers, or whatever else is may be in there, or electrical lines, telephone lines. This grinds them in place. FRANK CARLIN: You're not going to loan that out like we did to other towns, is that right? SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Not that I know of. FRANK CARLIN: Good deal. Thank you. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Anybody else at this time? (No response.) tf not, Judge Edwards, would you start with the first resolution of the afternoon? 380 OCTOBER 5, 1993 1.-Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilman Wickham, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs Supervisor Scott L. Harris to execute Outlay Report and Request for Reimbursement for Construction Programs to the Federal Aviation Administration for partial payment No. Five in the amount of $4,187.96 for Fishers Island, Elizabeth Field, Runway 7-25 Overlay (Design), and partial payment No. Five in the amount of $4,964.47 for Fishers Island, Elizabeth Field, Runway 12-30 Overlay (Design), all in accordance with the recommendation and approval of C&S Engineers, Inc., the Town's engineering consultants for the project. JUSTICE EDWARDS: I will add that this is Town of Southold, their only airport through the Ferry District. 1.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie~ Councilman Lizewski~ Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harri's. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. 2.-Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes a refund of $13.20 to Donald Staron, which sum represents an overpayment on his Landfill Tipping Fee Account, and Mr. Staron no longer has a commercial contractor's · permit, tl~erefore, he will not be using the Tipping Fee Account. 2.-V0te of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman I_izewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. 3.-Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Supervisor Harris, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs Supervisor Scott L. Harris to execute the Acceptance of the Grant Offer from the Federal Aviation Administration, allocating the amount of $1,408,9~)7.00 for the'Elizabeth Field Airport, Fishers Island, Runway 7-25 and 12-30 Overlay Project. JUSTICE EDWARDS: That money is coming right out of the FAA funds, going over to the Airport on Fishers Island. It doesn't cost the Town a penny. 3.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski~ Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. 4.-Moved by Councilman Wickham, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold, in accordance with Chapter 65 (Parking at Beaches) of the Code of the Town of Southold, Section 65-3.E.(3) hereby increases the fee for a Guest Parkincj Permit from $25.00 to $30.00, effective upon the issuance of the 1994 permits. 4.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski~ Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. 'This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. 5.-Moved by Councilman Penny, Seconded by Justice Edwards, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southotd hereby c~oes on record in support of the followinc~ proposed New York State lecjislation initiated by Governor Cuomo, which-will benefit the Town of Southold: 1. 'Th~ G~vernor's program 15ill which will consolidate the coastal review of federal and state permits and other actions. It will require that before a state agency issues a permit, the Department of State, instead of the permitting agency, .will review the permit to ensure that it does not violate the State's coasta standards, or a community's Local Waterfront Revitalization Program. 2. The Governor's Environmental Assistance Fund, a comprehensive proposal to establish a long-term, dedicated and dependable source of revenue to meet the pressing environmental needs of New York's communities, and on Long Island this would give local governments the resources they need to improve the natural . ocToBE, ,. 1993 3 8 I environment and promote economic development projects to provide jobs, improve economic competitiveness and sustain the quality of life. Specific benefits include: Recycling Assistance, Environmental Infrastructure Rehabilitation' Projects, Water Quality Improvements, Open Space Conservation, Farmland Protection, Municipal Park and Historic Preservation Projects, and Assistance for Coastal Communities through the Local Waterfront Revitalization Program. -Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. 6.-Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Councilman Penny, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the followin9 budget modification to the General Fund - Whole Town 1993 Budget to cover Family Service League contract for remainder of the year: To: A4210.4 Narcotics GuidaPice Control, Contractual Expenses $ 10,000.00 From: A9710.7 Serial Bonds, Interest $ 10,000.00 6.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. This re~olution was declared duly ADOPTED. 7.~Moved by Supervisor Harris, seconded by Justice Edwards, WHEREAS, there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southoid a proposed Local law entitled, "A Local Law in Relation to Parkin9 Areas"; now, therefore, be it RESOLVED that the Town Board hereby sets 8:00 P.M., Tuesday, October 19, 1993, Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, as time and place for a public hearin9 on the aforesaid Local Law, which reads as follows: A Local Law in Relation to Parking Areas BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows: I. Chapter 65 (Parking At Beaches) of the Code of the Town of Southoid is hereby amended as follows: 1. Section 65-2.A. (Designation of parkin9 areas requiring permits.) is hereby amended by addin9 the following: (17) Bailie Beach Road, Mattituck, from the 9uardrail at the northerly terminus southerly for a distance of five hundred (500) feet. II. This Local Law shall take effect upon its filing with the Secretary of State. 7.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. 8.-Moved by Councilman Wickham, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was RESOL. VED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby cjrants permission to the Mattituck Presbyterian Church to hold their annual Crop Walk on Sunday, October 17, 1993, to commence at 1:00 P.M. at the Mattituck School, and using the following Town Roads in Mattituck and Cutchogue, provided they file with the Town Clerk'a'One Million Dollar Certificate of Liability Insurance naming the Town of S0uthold as an additional insured: Linden Avenue (Moore's Lane), New Suffolk Avenue, Deep Hole Drive, Reeve Avenue, and Pike Street. 8.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. 9.-Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby 9rants permission to Account Clerk Barbara Rudder to attend a New York State Department of Labor, East End Job Service Employer Committee luncheon meeting beginning at 10:45 A.M., Thursday, October 28, 1993, at Riverhead, and the $10.00 registration fee, cost of luncheon, and use of a Town vehcile for travel, shall be a legal 'charge to the Accounting & Finance Department's 1993 Budget. 9.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. 382 OCTOBER 5, 1993 10.-Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Supervisor Harris, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the Board of Commissioners of the Fishers Island Ferry District to advertise for bids to drydock the MV Race Point and accomplish the required work in accordance with the specifications. 10.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards', Supervisor Harris. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. __ 11.-Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the Board of Co~nmi~sioners of the Fishers Island Ferry District to accept the bid of Z & S Contracting Inc., Fishers island, New York, in the amount of $37,102.00, for the installation of a new roof on the Fishers island Community Theatre (movie theater), all in accordance with the bid specifications. 11.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. 12.-Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Supervisor Harris, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby c, trants permission to -the American Lunc~ Association of Nassau-Suffolk to use the following Town Roads 'for their arlnual Autumn Escape Bike Trek on Sunday, October 17, 1993, provided they file with the Town Clerk a One Million Dollar Certificate of Liability insurance naming the Town of Southold as an additional insured: Chapel Lane, Boisseau Avenue, Youngs Avenue, Oaklawn Avenue, Pine Neck Road, North Bayview Road, Paradise Point Road, Cedar Beach Road, E3ayview Road, Baywater Road, South Harbqr Road, Indian Neck Lane, Leslie Road, SkUnk Lane, Eugene"s Road, New Suffolk Road, Fifth Street, Jackson Street, New Suffolk Avenue, Bay Avenue, and Peconic Bay Boule- vard. 12.-Vo~e of the'Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, .Justice Edwards, Supe'rvisor Harris. This resolt~tion was declared duly ADOPTED. -- 13.-Moved by by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs the Town Clerk to request the New York State Department of Transportation to establish a "No Parking" zone on NYS Route 25, east of the Southold Fire House, on the north side of the road, for a distance of approximately one hundred and twenty (120) feet from the easterly corner of the east driveway; all in accordance with the request of the Board of Commissioners and Chief of the Southold Fire Department. 13.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. Thi's resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. 14.-Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs the Town Clerk to advertise for bids for one (1) 1993 Stump Grinder for the Superintendent of Highways. 14.-Vote of the Town B6ard: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards Supervisor Harris. · This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. 15.-Moved by Councilman Wickham, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts, with recjret, the resicjnation of part-time Data Entry Clerk Lori Pulaski, effective October 8, 1993, and wishes Ms. Pulaski much success and happi..ess in her future endeavors. 15.-Vote of the. Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor HarriS. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR HARRI:S: With regrets. This young lady did a marvelous job down- stairs working with J.eanne:'Cullen, and l!m sure she'll be missed by the sta~ff. OC 'OB.. 1993 3 8 3 16.-Moved by Supervisor Harris, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby reinstates the Landfill Tipp~nov Fee charge privileges of Robert L. Hansen (Bob's Quality Home Repair. ) 16.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. 17.-Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Supervisor Harris, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby c~rants permission to Oysterponds Union Free School District to use ¥illage Lane, Orient, between the hours of 1:30 P.M. and 2:30 P.m. on October 29, 1993, for their Hai!oween Parade, .provided they file with the Town Clerk a One Million Dollar Certificate of Liability Insurance naming the Town of Southold as an additional insured. 17.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. 18.-Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the ,Town of Southold hereby authorizes the refund of $16,000.00 to Peconic Properties ~/lanac~ement Corp., which amount is one- half of the money paid in lieu of Park ~nd Playground, and to date the developers of Southold Villas, Section I1 have eight (8) homes committed to the Southold Town . Affordable Housing Proc2ram (8 x $2,000 = $16,000). 18.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickhara, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. Abstain: Councilman Penny. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. 19.-Moved by Supervisor Harris, seconded by Councilman Penny, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the following budc~et n~odification to the General Fund - Whole Town 1993 Budqet to appropriate Park & Recreation funds for the roller blade area: To: Revenues: A2025 Special Recreation Facilities $ 12,341.23 Appropriations: A7110.2 Parks, Equipment $ 12,341.23 19'.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. 20.-Moved by Justice Edwards, seconded by Supervisor Harris, it was RESOLYED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints Richard Wehnke provisionally as an EISEP Aide, effective October 6, 1993, up to 20 hours per week at a salary of $5.50 per hour. 20.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. 21.-Moved by Supervisor Harris, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was RESOLVED that the Twon Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs the Town Clerk to place a notice in The Long Island Traveler-Watchman and The Suffolk Times for two (2) consecutive weeks, advising that the Town of Southold is accepting applications for four (4) hbmes .in 'the Southold Villas, Section II Affordable Housing Program; application deadline is October 29, 1993. 21.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. Abstain: Councilman Penny. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. 22,-Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Justice Edwards, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby amends resolution No. 5, adopted on September 10', 1993, with regard to the size of plastic garbage bags, as follows: Small - approximately 10 gallon - 24" x 32" - 12 micron Medium - approximately 20 gallon - 30" x 37" ~ 19 micron Large - approximately 30 gallon - 40" x 48" - 24 micron ' 22.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. 3 8 4 OC','OBER., 1993 COUNCILMAN PENNY: I think we should clarify, that.t'he reason in doing this is that they came originally marked with the higher gallonage from the manufacturer. Maybe if you could just go into that for a second. / COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: Yes, the specifications, the contents, the number of gallons that the bags would hold given the size actually turned out not to fit into a garbage can of the same size, so that there was a discrepancy between the bag manufacturer:'.s sizing, and the sizing of the plastic garbage pails, so now, we re just calling them small, medium and large. COUNCILMAN PENNY: Thank you, Alice, and they do fit in a 10, a 20, .and a 30 gallon. TOWN CLERK TERRY: And we have them on display to prove it. 23.-Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby sets 7:00 P.M., Wednesday, October 27, 1993, Southold Town Recreation Center, Peconic, for a Lyme Disease Educational Seminar, in conjunction with the Sixth Anniversary of Lyme Borrelia Out-Reach, Stephen J. Nostrom, Founder. COUNCILMAN PENNY: Question, are we going to advertise this? SUPERVISOR HARRIS: This will be the same as the hurricane seminar. ~Ae'll have it done with PSA's. We'll get it done that way. 23.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewsk , Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Har~'is. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: We have two public hearings today. The first one is a "Local Law in Relation to Parking Permits", and the second one is a "Local Law in Relation to Landfill Tipping Fees". It's just about 4:30, so at this time I need a motion to recess to go into public hearings. Moved by Councilman Wickham, seconded by Councilman Penny, it was RESOLVED that a recess be called at this time, 4:30 P.M., for the purpose of holding a public hearing. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewsk , Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor HarJ'is. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. Reconvened at 4:35 P.M. SU'PER~/ISOR HARRIS: We'll move on to the last two items on our agenda~ which are the two public hearings, that we just held. Would the Board like to adopt the first public, hearing? 24.-tV, oved by Councilman Penny, seconded by Justice Edwards, WHEREAS, there was presented to the Town Board of the Town of SouthoJd, on the 21st day of September, 1993, a proposed Local Law No. 22 - 1993 ent tied, "A Local Law in Relation to Parking Permits"; and WHEREAS, a public hearing was held by the Southold Town Board with r~gard to this proposed Local Law~ on October 5, 1993, at which time all interested persons were given an opportunity to be heard; now, therefore, be it RESOLVED that the Town Board hereby enacts Local Law No. 22 - 1993, ~vhich reads as follows: ,~'~;L,.- ~., , -~ ~.,~LOCAL'.LAW NO. 22 - 1993 .... A Local Law in Relation to Parking Permits BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Sotuhold as follows: I. Chapter 65 (Parking At Beaches) of the Code of the Town of Southol~ is hereby amended as follows: . 1. Section 65-2.A. (Designation of parking areas requiring permits.) '.:~ is hereby amended-by adding the following§ (16) Parker's Landing Road, Peconic, from the c~uardrail at the easterly terminus westerly to Indian Neck Lane. II. This Law shall take effect upon its filing with the Secretary of Statet 24.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. OCTOBE. 5, 1993 3 8 5 25. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Would you like to move on the second public hearing that we had in relation to adjusting the fee at the Landfill? 25. -Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, WHEREAS, there was presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold, on the 21st day of September, 1993, a proposed Local Law No. 23 - 1993 entitled, "A Local Law in Relation to Landfill Tippin9 Fees"; and WHEREAS, a public hearing was hed by the Southold Town Board with regard to this proposed Local Law, on October 5, 1993, at which time all interested persons were given an opportunity to .be heard; now, therefore, be it RESOLVED that the Town Baord hereby enacts Local Law No. 22 - 1993, which reads as follows: ;" LOCAL LAW NO. 23 - 19'93 A Local Law in Relation to Landfill Tipping Fees BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows: I. Chapter 48 (Garbage, Rubbish and Refuse) of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows: ]. Section 48-4.B. is hereby amended to read as follows: B. Effective'-Ja~uary-l-r t-9~3 October 9, 1993, in addition to the fees extablished in Section 48-4.A. of this chapter, there shall be a fee of ~½~ee ee,~s ~$e;-03~-three and one-half cents ($0.035) per pound on loads containing the following: 2. Section 48.4,B. is hereby amended to read as follows: (6) Commercial & household 9arbac~e, and rubbish, including but not limited to furniture, fixtures, television antennas, carpets, awnings, boats and other like obiects, t-½at a~e-,o~ ¢on~de~ed-t3ot~ma-I evet'~/~zw~~ hotrs~rto{d- waste. I1. This Local Law shall take effect upon its filing the Secretary of State, * Overstrike represents deletions ** Underscore represents additions -Vote of the Town Board:. Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, 'Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: At this time, are there any members of the audience, that would like to address this Board on Town business, that you may feel would be of interest of these members of the legislative body? FRANK CARLIN: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen of the Board. Frank Carlin from Laurel. Before I start a little food for thought here. I would suggest that you put an item in the local newspapers where the people can buy these bags. '1 know like in Mattituck, the supermarket has a sign out on his window, but it would help a lot of these people. They wouldn't have to be coming all the time to the Town Hall to. buy them. It would give them an idea where they can buy these bags. It wouldn't hurt to put that in. That would be my idea. TOWN CLERK TERRY: It will be in this week's. The newspapers have been in touch with us on a daily basis. They're updating their list, and it will be in this week. FRANK CARLIN: l'd like to start out this afternoon addressing Councilwoman Hussie. You mentioned that in the United States a family of 2.2 children with two dependents uses about four pounds of garbage a day. Well, if I was making a study I Wouldn't worry about what's going on the United States. I'd be worrying about what's going on in Sout~hold Town, because that's where we want to resolve our problem, here. l'm not worrying about what's going on all over the United States. We know how much we dispose of in Southold Town a day. I would say that that is more important. The Town of Southold Solid Waste Management, I read it, and it impressed me until I got to a few items, and it turned me on. Now, I'm going to explain why it did. Garbage in town bags everything that can't be recycled, so garbage is considered anything that can't be recycled is garbage. Am I right? COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: Unless it's rubbish. FRANK CARLIN: It says here that, and as you know we're paying by the bag system. Right? Let me use these large bags this evening for an example, these $2.25 bags. Recycl.ing is free, you know that. Okay, so far, so good. Then permit an'd fees, that turns me on ri§bt there. You may purchase a $2.5.00 permit from the Town Clerk's Office to dispose of garbage. Well, we're payin~ already by the bag system to dispose of garbage, and this also turns me on, if you don't have a permit, 3 8 6 OCTO.ER 5, 1993 $25.00, then you would pay $2.00 a trip. So, it you don't have a permit, and you're using the bag system, paying $2.25 it's costing you $4.25 to take your bag to the dump. Why do we need to squeeze'the people in this town for that $25.00? I don't understand it. Let me finish, please. There's no way that you can get in the landfill without paying. You increased the scale fees in one year a cent and a half. It was last year only $.02. Now, you go higher to $.035 in only a year. That's $.035. You have to pay at least $10.00, maybe more, for a refrig- erator, or appliances to going through the scale. You're paying by the bag system. Why do you have to charge these people in this town another $25.00 for a permit for? I don't understand that. If you need a sticker, give them the sticker to put on their car. Why use the people for $25.00, when you're charging by the bag, you're charging by the pound, you're charging by the appliance? I can't understand why you have to do that for, and I don't think it's right. Give the people a break in this town a little bit. COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: Would you like a reply? FRANK CARLIN: Yes, ma'am. COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: The $25.00 sticker fee, or permit, is part of the income that the Town gets in order to pay for all the activities, that happens at the landfill, and has been doing that for a number of years. The additional fee, that you're paying, and you've been paying that all along, the additional money that you're paying for the garbage bags is for us to ship the garbage out of town, because we can't bury it any longer. Nothing else has changed. Now, the half of cent over the scale price has gone up. That $.005 is a result of how much we're going to have to pay to get rid of the garbage. But, all those other fees, the $10.00 for the white goods, that has been the.same~ and you can come in..the recycling is free, and you don't need a permit to do that. FRANK CARLIN: Mrs. Hussie, let. me remind you about something here. Part of our tax money goes towards the upkeep of the landfill to start with. COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: That's right. FRANK CARLIN: That's number one. It just only didn't go up a half a cent on the scale. You went up a cent and a half in one year's time, because I can prove that right here. Here's my last scale weight dated October 15, 1992. I paid $.02 a pound. That's not even a year, you went up a cent and a half. You're up to $.035 now. Next year it will be $.04, another year it will be $.05. I know how this town operates, Councilwoman Hussie. I've been in this town long enough to know, and I know how you Town Board's operate. I can't see the people having to pay $25.00 for a fee for that. I think we can make this work without charging the. people an'extra $25.00, and yet you say if you don't have it forcing them to pay $2.00 extra added on to the bag of $2.25, so you're walking down there with $4.25 to go up to the dump if you don't want to buy the permit. That don't make sense to me. Give the people a break, and I'll tell you one thing, when I use this system-I'm going to go to the large bags, the 40 to 50 pound bags, because it's more economical for me, because you know why? I don't have to go down as much. I can save on gas. 'Gas went up $.05 a gallon. That's how you can save on gas. I'm going to use the large bags, if that means anything to anybody else. But anyway, the $25.00 I don't agree with. I think you're using the people as much as you can take, and we're paying for the landfill out of our taxes, too, so don't say we don't have support from our taxes, because part of our taxes go to the landfill. Back to 1989, I'm back on that $9,000,000.00 composting plant, because I won't forget it. I'm going to stress it one more time. $9,000,000.00 compost plant against our plan of $13,000,000.00. Your plan. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Mrs. Carlin, I'm going to have to ask you, 'if this is not Town business, if it's going to enter into campaigns, and so on, l'm going to have to ask you to refrain if this is the direction you are taking. FRANK CARLIN: It's not campaign. This is just referencing what went on in this little newspaper he/-e.~--That's'all it:~s. ---"-:; ~ SUPERVISOR HARRIS: ~'m just asking you. FRANK CARLIN: Then I won't reference that, then I'll reference what we did in the last ten years, or thirteen years, and I won't reference that, so we won't call it then a campaign speech here. From 1980 to 1993 in my opinion we done nothing. We had thirteen years to do something. We didn't do anything. We had a chance to do something in '89. We didn't do it. Instead wesettle to go, and ficjht the DEC. The litigation in court costs $124,000.00 of the taxpayers' money. That's only $124,000.00. I don't understand paying $124,000.00 in court with all these studies that we made through all these years. I'm sure Councilwoman Hussie and the Task Force didn't make those trips to Albany on their own expense for an example. So, now we come up, and finally after thirteen years we have some kind of a bag system, and then I read in here, I hope this means I'-~ton't call it political, I read in here, I'll read it quick, I read in here that you say in there that we have the best and we have the most efficient, effective garbage plan in all Long Island. We don't even have one yet, so how do we know this? We're.going to start ndw. We don't know if this is going to work or not. Why are you telling the people, that we have the most efficient, effective garbage plan in all of Long Island? '1' don't understand it. I don't understand what's going on in this town. I real!y don't. Did you know in 1989, that Albany had sS00,000,000.00 available in (tape change.) and it was mentioned by the DEC, that they had $500,000,000.00 willing to give out to people who would Work, and make this 1989 landfill, but we failed to do it. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Would you like a response, Mr. Carlin, in reference to that? FRANK' CARLIN: Yes, go ahead. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: The caveat, or strings, as you may, was that the Town had to sign a consent order'. A perfect example is the Town of Shelter Island, which signed a consent order in 1989, .and it ended costing them $125.00 a ton to remove their solid waste from their landfill. By us litigating the DEC, three towns fighting for what we believe is right, and still believe, even though we understand that legislation won't be changed, we still believe it's flawed. That same litigation, that we entered into saved us from going from $124.00 down to $59.00 a ton. One of the major advantages in fighting, and weighing, because of the changes in solid waste. The second is by signing a consent area you're signing guilty, and by sign- ing that, that's the only way that those monies would be released. A good example Js Tony Bullock, Supervisor Town of 'East Hampton, he had signed a consent order sometime in the '80's, late '80's, applied for a reclaimation permit, a grant, had received notice that the grant was awarded to the Town of East Hampton, when they found out that the Town of East Hampton had not committed to the consent order it had signed in the early '80's, and was litigating against them, they revoked the grant, that they were giving to the Town of East Hampton for reclaimation. One had nothing to do with the other, yet the State of New York in it's pervue, made a decision. He had signed the consent order, but he wasn't following the consent order the way we wanted to see it followed. They revoked his grant, a major grant. Now, this is what you're dealing with when you're dealing with the Department of Environmental Conservation in Albany. This has nothing to do with Region I, and the new management that's taken place in the last two years, which has been very effective, and very cooperative with the Town of Southold, as well as all of the other towns. But, it's important to note that the DEC is holding all the cards, and when they wave around money, believe me, there are a lot of strings attached to it. It's not just free money that's sitting out there, that to~¥ns that comply would automatically receive it. That did not happen. . FRANK CARLIN: If the DEC is holding on to all the cards, like I mentioned once before more or less on that line, why do we trying to keep fighting for in court? SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Because we were winning up to this point, and when the Federal government stepped in.. FRANK CARLIN: Scott, i don't know where you're going with it. Right up to now there's no way you're going to win. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Mr. Carlin, as I said.. FRANK CARLIN: You've proven right up to now, there's no way you're going to win. 3 8 8 o -OB R 5, SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Mr. Carlin, we are proceeding to follow.. Ma;, I finish Mr. Carling We have followed the edict of the three towns, protecting and fighting as taxpayers of our respective towns for as long as we possible can. The Federal' government has stepped in with new rules, and regulations, which is superseding the State of New York. Those regulations, which will be incorporated in the new State Part 360 Rules and Regulations are so onerous, and so cost prohibitive there isn't a town that wants to continue the landfill beyond October 9th, and have to follow those guidelines, because they are onerous, more so than the ones that are ~ already in place, and that is the reason why the three towns are moving in the direction, where they are right now~ which October 8, 1993, is the last day that any of us will be burying raw garbage as we know, even though the respected 208 Study, which is a study, that was done on Lb'ng Island, Nassau, and Suffolk, promulgated by the EPA in New York State, and the Suffolk Couiity government, which showed in 1978, that those towns on the East End rural communities should continue to landfill. The 1983 lec:islation was floored, because it did not follow the strict letter of the 208 Study. That is the reason wily we were litigating, and still believe that to be so. FRANK CARLIN: I will still say, Mr. Harris, that there's no way you're going to win this thing, and just spent $124,000.00 pi'us .. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Mr. Carlin, what did we save the three towns respectively by the $125,000.00, that each of us spent? Suppose I told you a number of around $14,000,000.00 was saved, or more, for three towns for each of these taxpayers. I think that's money that's been well spent, probably the best money that this town, or any other town, has spent protecting and fighting for it's constituency. FRANK CARLIN: The future will prove that. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: The future has proved that. FRANK CARLIN: We have to prove it more in the future. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: It has been proven. FRANK CARLIN: I tel you one thing is that we should have, in r~y opinion, went together with all the l~orth and South Fork with a massive coraposting plant years back, and settled this thing once and for all, even including Riverhead, or Brook- haven, if they wanted to come in. It would have been a lot cheaper. It's difficult for one little town to handle a complex problem like this. It costs a lot of money. If you had all sat down at the negotiating table, North and South Fork towns, Riverhead, and even Brookhaven, and said, Iook,..I mention incineration, and boom, I get blown out of here, but I can talk on that one, too, but won't, so I'll stick to.composting, and sa'/, let's do it as a cooperation even. t would have been resolved by now, and I think we would have had our problem solved. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Mr. Carlin, if I may go one step further, n the rest of the counties in the State of New York, the counties are responsible for solid waste, not the townships. On Long Island the counties are, in my opinion, have dodged this bullet, they have not been responsible, they have not been involved in solid waste. They let the towns go out on their own, and spend all this type of money, that had to be used to resolve this issue for State mandates that were handed down through legislation, and neither of the counties ever got involved in Nassua or Suffolk to help their townships out respectively in the 70's, or m the 80's, when they knew that this problem was coming. Upstate New York the counties handled the.whole problem. The towns are recipients of the county. The county hands off the edict, and they follow. That's not the case on Long Island. I couldn't agree with you more. FRANK CARLIN: That's all I say, that we should have combined this. It would have been a little bit cheaper even by combining it together, instead of trying to take this thing on as a massive project, and ~ think it's quite large, and you're finding that out, to handle, and it could have been central located. It could have been located where it it would have been convenient for other towns. There's plenty of open space. We've got more open space in this area than you'll ever use. You look around, you've got more open space than We'll ever use. That was my opinion. My first opinion to be honest with you was ~ncineration. I won't go into that, but I'll explain how it could have been an advantage to us, but I won't go into that right now. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Thank you for your attention to this matter. FRANK CARLIN: I haven't finished yet. Ybi~'ou'ght'tO be glad I come to these meetings. You have a chance to..you know what I mean. I haven't got too much more say, but, I'm against the $25.00 permit. That's the thin9 I can't understand, and I'll never understand. I don't think it's fair to the people.. We pay enough taxes in this town. We're paying out to the 9overnment. We pay taxes to support the landfill. We pay over the scale another cent and A-half. We're paying to dispose of appliances. We don't need to be zapped with another $25.00. We have got enough fees we're paying for in this town now. We don't need the ~25.00 fee. That I will never 9° along with. -One more thing. !n 1989 there were 21,798 people in Southold Town as of the census'of LILCO. In 1992 it was down to 19,940. We lost 1,858 people. What does that Lell you? It tells you that the people are getting fed up and they're leavin9 this town, and at the rate we're 9oin9 here, we won't have · to worry about no more garbage, because there ain't 9oin9 to be that many people left in this town, if'you keep this kind of nonsense up with all these fees, that we're trying to take away from the taxpayers. There are senior citizens here that are living on a fixed income, that only get a cost of livin9 of what inflation is, and that 2½%, and they don't know what they're 9oin9 to 9et ,for cost of living next year, or not, with this new plan that the President has. You got to look out for the .senior citizens, too, in this town, who are living on fixed incomes. You just can't just say that you're 9oin9 to spread out all kinds of fees, and expect people to buy it. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Mr. Carlin, in respect to the census, the State of New York, as you know, engaged litigation against the Federal government because they felt that the U.S. Census Bureau was flawed. I think every town recognized that there were flaws in the census population count. LILCO's survey was probably was pretty accuFate,-however, the census can only go by those who are recorded, and those who"fail to get recorded will not be counted for ten years unfortunately, .and we are left with the U.S. population guideline, that is set before us of the population mentioned 19,900 for ten years, which is unfortunate, because grants, etc. are precedent on that magic number. Many things are precedent among the population that"is set by the U.S. Census. It's a shame, and I have to agree with you, that the U.S. Census did such a poor job, the State of New York that they did a poor job', but they didn't get very far with it, losing a number of Congressmen, and so on in the redistricting that took place, because of census drop. FRANK CARLIN: I would agree with you. There's always an error when they' do a census, and that's not'100%. We all make mistakes. Another thing I want to bring to your attention, that back in 1950, we don't have 11,000 in Southold Town. It kept going up. It started in '89, and went down. It was up to 21,798,or whatever, close to 22,000. It started to go down, but from 1950 to 1989 it was going up. We had 'another 1,000 people here. We have to look at these things, and study them to find out why. What's going on? SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Thank you, Mr. Carlin. FRANK CARLIN: Thank you, Scott. I'm sorry if I went over the line a little bit, and you thought I was getting too political. I'm sorry that happened. You know what I mean? SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Anybody else like to address this Board at this time. LESLIE GOSS: Good afternoon, Supervisor, distinguished Town Board, my name is Leslie Goss. I am the current President of Fishers Island Civic Association. 1 have two items for your consideration today. One is possible Town funding for a Fishers Island project in recognition for our contribution for a Mattituck Community Center, and the second is a little problem with having with overnight fishing on Race Point on Fishers Island. In reference to the first one at our August 14th Civic Association meeting, we have an annual meeting in August, so all of us on Fishers Island can participate. Justice Edwards brought to our attention that there was p'~p~a~!y-~j~ing to be bond issued for a Senior Community Center, or a Co_mmuh_i~_~;..C_ent~e._r:i_n Mattituck, and although the idea of Fishers Island contributing to a projedt'bn the mainland, that we do not benefit from, is somethin9 we're used to. It's not something we're always very happy about, and Justice Edwards asked the Civic Association Lo, please, do a canvas of it's membership, and Island businesses, to determine if there was a project on the Island that we may be able to receive Town funding for. The Civic Association went ahead, and received many proposals from several organizations, and many individuals for consideration of the Town [3oard in the event you see fit to send over some money over there. I recently sent correspondence to Justice Edwards, and copies to each of you. I'm sure you haven't had time to see it, as it just came in this week. If you have, thank you. ~. There were several projects. One of them is the Community Theatre renovation. The Ferry District will be spending, some money on this renovation. There is a fund raising committee that has been established to raise money from the private citizens of the lsland.~ as well as the. Sanger Fund has decided to match whatever the Ferry District contributes, or actually vice versa. Another project, that we came up with if for private citizens to purchase some property in Fishers Island Town, that little square green, whatever you call it, and purchase that property, and immediately set up some Town sponsored programs there, such as day care, or senior programs, or continuing education for adults, something along those lines, and if we could set up some sort of community center, that would act as a central gathering place other than the firehouse, and the school, that would be very helpful. .Some other ideas that came in were repairing existing sidewalks or constructing additional side- walks and bike paths on the west end of the island, purchase and install techno- logy, that allows Fishers Island to participate in these Town meetings. I understand technology like that may be available, and I understand there was a feasibility study, maybe.I'm incorrect, about having technology like that installed at the Fire House, some sort of video monitor, speaker phone type thing. Another idea was to purchase environmentally sensitive building lots somewhere on the Island, that we could include in the Town's Open Space Program, and finally the idea was tossed around about setting up a contract with a Marine Sanitation Device Pump Out Facility operator to try to keep our harbors clean. These are some ideas that came before us, and I submit to you and correspondence for consideration. In the event that you do see there would be any money for future Fishers Island projects, we'll be happy to go ahead, and do an islandwide vote on these projects to see which one is most popular, so we stand by at your service. Second of all, fishing on Race Point, ~ we have people who are coming over on Fishers Island ferry, who are getting in their vehicles, once they are out on the Island, driving out to Race Point, and they are basically setting up overnight fish camps. They are frequently rude, seldomly sober. They use the area as a latrine, and a garbage dump, and they leave 'behind all sorts of fish carcasses-when they leave, and this is what I would think is unfair to our local fishermen, who after a hard day's work, go out to the Race, and can't even get a bug in for all people who aren't usually on the Island there, throwil~g out a fish line. So, what I would ask is that the Town E~oard with the assistance of the Town Attorney figure out a way that we could manage our visitors to that point, and make them a little bit more responsible. I understand Judge Edwards indicated at our last Civic Association meeting that there is a loophole in the fishing law,' that as long as one person is up all night tending those lines they can be there as long as they want, and what that leads to, I think, is sort of unsanitary condi- tions, and closing out our fishermen from their fishing, and they are taxpayers, and I think they should get first crack at that property for fishing. So, if you could figure'out a way to get that amended during this winter season, we'd be grateful. Thank you very much. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Leslie, can I ask you a couple of questions? Judge, would you like to go first? I had a couple of questions. The first question, Leslie, is Race Point itself. Is that Town owned, considered Town owned property, or is that Ferry District. property? LESLIE GOSS: As I understand it, that's Town owned property, but I may be incorrect. JUSTICE EDWARDS: It is Town owned property under the guidenship of the Ferry ' SUPERVISOR HARRIS: So, it's under the Ferry District managument then. LE$1~I'~i'~SS;~!,:A'rid the Ferry District I know some of the Commissioners are eager to help,~any way 'they can. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: And second of all, if you could supply us with that priority list of properties, that consid~r,~o be sensitive, that could be included in Open Space, that the Island residents would like to see purchased to remain, obviously, in that state as open space. If you could give that to Judge Edwards, certainly that would be something we'd be looking at. We had a number of parcels before, that we looked at over there, but they were rejected by the Land Preservation O, CTOBE. 3 9 1 Committee, that we had feeling that there was not enough public access to those properties. Those .were properties that were on the eastern part of the island. So, if we can get a list of those, that would be very helpful in making a determina- tion of properties that we can purchase there. LESLIE GOSS: The Fishers Island Civic Association with the Henry L. Ferguson Land Trust would be delighted to work with you, and your land program. To identify these properties is there a time table you have in mind? SUPERVISOR HARRIS: As soon as possible would be good. LESLIE GOSS: Okay, we'll try to set up a meeting within the next month or so. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Thank you. Judge? JUSTICE EDWARDS: Maybe, Harvey, would you like to comment briefly on our little discussion there 'a half an hour ago on Race Point? TOWN ATTORNEY ARNOFF: My question was I don't know if this particular beach is covered by a beach permit parking. That might be a way of dealing with it, requiring permits. TOWN CLERK TERRY: No. They don't have permits over there, but you'd have to hav. e special provision for that. TOWN ATTORNEY ARNOFF: We could do that, bUt that might mandate then that residents have to buy permits. In other words, 'the cure may be worse than what the situation is. In Other words,' the residents may. not want to buy permits in order to keep people who are non-residents out. In other works, anyone can buy a permit in the town to go on our beaches. I mean non-residents can buy permits, and that neccessarily would not keep people from Connecticut out, but they'd have to come over here, or go to the Judge, or someone, where we would open it up on Fishers Island for residents over there, and non-residents to buy permits. But, it would in some manner restrict the use of it, and then of course, the Constable could issue summons, and whatever for people being on the beach without a permit. You canJt prohibit the public from going onto Town owned beaches. That's the problem. LESLIE-GOSS: I don't wish to db that.l was wondering if there is some provisi.on, ' that we might institute that says that you need to demonstrate what domicile, whether it's island property, or a home that you own on the Island, if you're 9oin9 to be fishin9 overnight on that property at Race Point. So, that you can demonstrate you have place to lay your head, so that folks aren't just comin9 out there campin9. It's. acually the campin9 that is causin9 a bi9 problem as well as the crowds. JUSTICE EDWARDS: In as much as it's public property, the Town of Southold property, of course, there is no camping allowed down there. You could squelch that, but the idea of the permit, as Harvey said, is fine. I don't see any problem with that. LESLIE GOSS: I know I'm going to squawk from fisherman who drive up there, because they come out there after work. JUSTICE EDWARDS: But, I don't think you can discriminate between property owners and non-properties on Town proPerty. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Leslie, I'll have the Town Attorney's Office burning some midnight oil with Judge Edwards, and see if we can come up with some remedy or . some type of solution, that we can present back to you as the Chairperson of the Association, and we will see if there's anything that is possible to do. TOWN ATTORNEY ARNOFF: I have a solution, but 1'11 tell you after the meeting. JUSTICE EDWARDS: Some other comments, I did send the letter to Jim McMahon, he is our grant's person here in Town, to see if there were possibility of some grant money be put into the movie theatre, and so I have not gotten a reply back from Jim, but I did send him a letter asking that. As far as the sidewalks are concerned all we have to do is find out which sidewalks we need repaired. LESLIE GOSS: I don't think you understand the question. JUSTICE EDWARDS: Ray Jacobs has been very good in replacing and repairing some of these sidewalks, and you can't just go whole hog,. and replace them all, but there is CHIPS money, that is available, and CHIPS was very active up until about five years ago in doing some sidewalks. Now, regarding the piece of property in the Village of Fishers Island, the hamlet, or what have you, that is a beautiful piece of property. It's a beautiful home. The price is right. I believe we can get some help from some of the other entities on the Island, namely the Sanger Fund, possibly the Civic Association, possibly the Conservancy,to help' purchase this right now. ~ It's on the market for a very reasonable sum, and in as much as the taxpayers of Fishers Island would paying close to $50,000.00, not including interest for the Mattituck Center, I think somehow we should get some recognition on Fishers island~ in lieu of paying these taxes. I'm sorry we didn't have time today to bring this up a Board meeting, but i:m glad you came here, Leslie. It's not only for me now. Now, you're bringing a voice of the people through the Civic Association, and the vidoe monitor between here and Fishers Island, that's a long haul, and I d~on't know if it would be possible to..of course, we don't have any fiber optics between here and there, and I don't' know if it would be.. Harvey, got a question? TOWN ATTORNEY ARNOFF: I spoke to Cablevision about this on a couple of occa- sions, representives from Cable, and they said the cost, and the logistics would be almost insurmountable without fiber optics, and there are no fiber optics on the Island. When and if that happens, then things will change, and can be changed rather inexpensively, at least that's how they led me to believe. JUSTICE EDWARDS: It is a long haul microwavewise between here and Fishers on one shot. I'd like to see it, but I have no more comments other than passing it on to the Town Board, that we'll be working on this during Budget process. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Tom? COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: Ray spoke about the voice of the people from Fishers Island. I've gotten a lot of calls, deep concern about the decision that the Town Board took at it's Sepember 21st meeting, agreeing to a certain type of 91t telephoto'--' service over there. Those concerns, the way they've been expressed to me have raised question as to whether a decision of the Board to save a few dollars has actually put lives in jeopardy, and I felt that we should discuss it today, and it' was on my notes for discussion on the Work Session. Unfortunately, the item, for Fishers Island items, that were scheduled for last this afternoon all the rest of the Board simply disappeared from the meeting room this afternoon, leaving.. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: That's not true, Tom. COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: No, that's true. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: That's not true, Tom, I'm sorry. COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: Alice Hussie and remained. But the fact of the matter is, that the item on Fishers Island in the Work Session could not be held because the majority of the Board left the room, and I want to say, and we could discuss it right now. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: I'm not going to discuss it now. Continue. COUNCILMAN WtCKHAM: I would like to move right now, that we recind our resolu- tion of September 21 on this issue, and have a committee of people on the Island continue to work at it, and make a recommendation as to the appropriate, most appro- priate form of 911 service for Fishers Island. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Judge, I'm going to respond first of all to Councilman Wickh l~apoligize to you, Judge. That was quite an insult to you. I certainly don't think that that should have been directed in the way that it was. The amount of time you spent on this issue, Judge, is be commended. You came up with a solution, a very cost prohibitive solution for the taxpayers, I should say a cost inhibitive solution for the taxpayers; because of the amount of inordinate funds that we are being, charges from:a cable.that goes under the ground, Leslie, under the Sound in the tune of $1,400.00 a nionth now, that we're being charged for a dedicated line, which is exorbitant. It's highway robbery, and we've been working on this. There's a lot of litigation involved with this. I'm not at liberty to discuss this at the time., because of what's been involved, but Judge Edwards has been working on this, Tom, and this is not a simple solution. The Town of Southold is continuing to try to find the best possible avenue to pursue 911, besides the one that's already in existence b~cause of the exorbitant cost that right now is in place, and Judge has been working on this, and Judge, I will certainly let you say a few words in reference to the work you did. 199 3 9 3 JUSTICE EDWARDS: The Fire Commissioners had a meeting, which I was made privy to, and I sat outside the Fire House, and told them that I would be available for any comments, and they had their discussion for about a half an hour, then they called me in. I gave my side of the story, and I got my rear end reamed this way, and that, which I wasn't too happy with it. I gave my statements to them, and I walked out there in huff, but I slept on it that night, and I said to myself, that this is ridiculous, and I will make sure that the letter that I sent to the Commissioners and everyone that's present. I will send that over here to the Town when I get on the island, and I told Mr. Baker, who ran the meeting that I was truly sorry that I took the ball in my hand, and went forward with this. I was thinking more of the taxpayers' dollars, this is a quote, than of the welfare of the Island, uoquote, and I said, I'm going to continue, this is from my letter, you will see, l'm going to continue to find a more cost effective way of running 911, and will coordinate all my efforts through Chief Bob Wall for his okay, and I sat down with Bob Wall since that meeting. I gave him a new proposition, which is a better 911 circuit, than what they have now, and it's going to-cost the Town again less than I what I came up with before° COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: Then would you support recinding that resolution? JUSTICE EDWARDS: There's no sense in recinding it, because all the resolution was, Tom, is that the Town would spend $2,000.00 for 911 Service. COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: For a particular solution. JUSTICE EDWARDS: I think that $2,000.00 should stay right in the resolution in case it's needed. COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: But the particular facilities that are designed.. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: We'll work on that, Councilman Wickham. We'll work on that when the new system comes out, and we can have a further chance to discuss this. COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: That's fine. LESLIE GOSS: If I may, sir, obviously the Fishers Island Civic Association stands firmly behind our Fire Commissioners, and we would urge the Town Board to consider cost savings, that also not at the expense of the public health and safety on F!shers Island regarding our emergency services. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: I don't think ever intended. Certainly the health and safety of this township is number one, and is paramount, and certainly Councilman Wickham recqgnize that fact. LESLIE GOSS: He doe~,sir. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: The fact that the Town of Southold has endeavored to move ahead in many areas of emergency preparedness for this Township in case of disaster including 911 Service, which this Town had promised, and still does provide to Fishers Island. We're finding a better system that we can provide right now, with the impact to the taxpayers being minimized. As I said, AT&T came up with this cost, is highway robbery in my opinion, and compared to the $282,00 a month, that we were charged previous is definitely something that needs to be looked into, and that's why Judge Edwards has been working so diligently on this problem realizing what has happened to that dedicated line since AT&T started a new billing. LESLIE GOSS: Thank you very much. On our emergency response I had a question. Was there going to be a hurricane seminar on Fishers Island. Did I read that in a newspaper? SUPERVISOR HARRIS: It was suggested that there be a seminar. We had the first annual one in the Township here, and there was a suggestion, I think, made by Don Thompson, who moderated it, that he'll set one up next year in June on Fishers Island just for the same purpose. LESLIE GOSS: Be happy to help you publicize that. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Terrific. Thank you for your attendance. Nice seeing you. PHILIP VANBOURGONDIEN: men. I don't have an~,thing as important as the Southold topic. I have a question for Miss. Hussie. I've been away a couple of weeks, and I came back, and I got that flyer that was mailed out two days ago, and I know you'are certain on how you're handling so called slick paper. In recycables you say corrugated and news- paper, and then further down in that publication it's says we also accept slick paper, magazines, and so on. Is that recyable? COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: Yes, it is. The reason that the two are separated is, that the five items at the top of that paragraph are mandated by the town to be recycled, plastic, glass, newspaper, metals, and corrugated cardboard. The slick paper is at the residents~ choice. The space for it, to deposit it at the-~.Andfill, is available, but it is no't done by law. It's done by desire. That's why there was a difference. Phil VanBourgondien.Good afternoon, ladies and gentle- PHILIP VANBOURGONDIEN: Do the carters pick it up? COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: Carters do not have to pick it up. PHILIP VANBOURGONDIEN: They don't have to pick it up? Then anybody who uses a carter will have to bundle it, and take it themselves. COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: It doesn't have to be bundled. You can just take it in a shop.ping bag whenever you get a whole mass of it, and bring it up there. You do not need a permit either. PHILIP VANBOURGONDIEN: It doesn't have to go in a garbage bag? COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: No, it does not. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: It's recyclable. PHILIP VANBOURGONDIEN: Thank you. My other topic was, it was brought to my attention by several people recently, that in traveling to Orient to the ferry, they have come upon bicycle groups, biking towards Orient, or from Orient, and the bicycle groups insist upon riding on the highway. They will not move on to the so called parking area. They stay right on the highway. You're a resident of Orient I understand. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Lifetime. PHILIP VANBOURGONDIEN: And we're all well aware that, that road is a very narrow road, and there is a lot of areas of no passing, and in several occasions it w. as brought to my attention, that they refused to move over, kept their constant speed of four or five miles an hour, six miles an hour, and created a situation where they were late for the ferry. Now, I'm not advocating people speeding through Orient, East Marion, or any other part of it. They should adhere tO the speed limits, but when you're reduced to four or five miles an hour, that the bikers are going, or the automobiies have to cross over the double line to get around them, which is difficult if the ferry has been just unloaded. It creates a very, very dangerous situation on that road, and I was wondering if there's any way that when an organi- zation asks for permission to have a bike trek, or anything else, that you could suggest to them that they use the so called parking strip on the side, is that what you call it? SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Mr. VanBourgondien, under V&T, Vehicle and Traffic Law, I can't cite you chapter and verse, and there is not a Police Officer here to tell you expressly what is in that statute, however, bicylist are allowed to ride on the concrete or on the asphalt, that is not considered the shoulder. They are allowed to :be or~:-there. There's specifically cites, where they can be, which is to right side for.-instance, whether they're cjoing east or west, in this case for Orient, but they can stay on the main part of the asphalt. They are not allowed to go into the shoulder. Technically a shoulder is for people to park, or pull over, in case of emergency, and under.Vehicle & Traffic that is where they're supposed to ride on the right side:of the~mair~,-': let's say, tarmac, if you want to call it for lack of a better term. Normally there's a yellow strip, or a white step on the edge of the pavement before it enters the shoulder, and that where they are by law supposed to ride, so that's all I can tell you. TOWN CLERK TERRY: Further, Mr. VanBourgonden, we don't give permission for bike treks on New York State highway, or Suffolk County highway, only on the Town roads, which doesn't present that much of a problem. PHILIP VANBOURGONDIEN: It's just a dangerous situation, and sometimes they're very stubborn, and if you sound the horn you get the finger, and so on, from the bikers, and they insist upon the ride. It's going to create accidents, and somebody is going to be killed, and I just bring it to your attention to see if there's something that could be done to eleviate that situation. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Thank you, Mr. VanBourgon~!~g. COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: I'd like to comment. I think that is an important issue, and there is something that cou!d be done, and this Town Board had an opportunity to do it; and so far it has not been willing to take action on it, and that is to designate that road as a scenic highway. There's a road in Cutchogue, that goes from the villa~le to Ne~¢ Suffolk, New Suffolk Road. Several years ago, the Town of Southold put an ashalt shoulder on that road, which bicyclists still use. That's as far as it goes. It's been well used, and well received. The Scenic Road Designa- tion for that road out to Or.lent would permit a proper apron on the side that bicyclists could be encouraged to use. At the moment nobody can reasonable expect bicyclists to run off in the dirt from the side. SUPER.VISOR HARRIS: Thank you, Mr. VanBourgondien, for that, and the residents I think, in Orient have spoken with a petition, Tom, stating problems that they had with that, and obviously you are failing to recognize these individuals, and their rights also. Mr. Carlin, could I ask you to keep it brief, please. We're trying to adjourn. FRANK CARLIN: One question, and that's it. Question for Tom Wickham. I see how you took your sign down. How many years was that sign up there? COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: Early 1950's, but I can't tell you exactly the date. FRANK CARLIN: Now, my question is to the Town Board, don't you recognize grandfather clauses in this town? COUNCILMAN PENNY: No. FRANK CARLIN: I didn't think we did. COUNCILMAN PENNY: The law didn't.. FRANK CARLIN: The law doesn't mean nothing, George, or what you people want to use common sense on. Don't give me that law stuff. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Councilman penny? Thank you, Mr. Carlin. FRANK CARLIN: Don't give me that law stuff, George. Don't let me start on you. SUPERVISOR HARRIS:. Motion to adjourn. COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: Wait a minute. I have another comment I'd like to give, since I've been given the floor. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: You haven't been given the floor, but I will give you the floor, Councilman Wickham, if you require it. COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: I have two'reports, that I would like to very briefly com- ment on tonight. One of them is a report, a statistical profile, and discription of the Southold Town Affordable Housing policies, and programs. This is a report compiled primarily by the Town Senior Planner with assistance from Bessie Swann, and Jim McMahon of this Town government, in establishing more clearly how Southold's Affordable Programs work. There are quite a number of affordable housing programs in this town. We've done a statistical survey at the request of this Town Board, and asked the Planning and Zoning Committee to do it. It's taken quite awhile to do it. Back in the summer we had a review of an early draft. We finally have a final draft, that will be circulated to the Town Board, and to other interested parties, the Town Clerk will have 'it, as to the valuation, and need, for affordable housing in this town, and how it's bei'ng met at the present time. This report does not go into recommendations. There are a lot of recommendations, that can be made, but we thought rather than our committee maki'ng those recommendations, we would forward this report to the Stewardship Task Force, and to other interested organiza- tions in the town, to go to the next step, and prepare the report. I might mention, Leslie, there are in this report several appenticies, and none of them is an appendix on Walsh Park on Fishers Island, which we regard as a model for affordable housing in the Town. The other report, that I'd like to show you is a technical information package prepared by the Town's consultants on the garbage issue, and they have, at our request, at the Town's request, prepared a technical information package proposing various plans, and specification for a transfer station for hauling garbage out of Southold Town as of October 9th. I think most of the people here recognize that, Scott, that last Friday the Town Board adopted two resolutions, each called for letting bids to remove garbage 'by- truck from the Landfill, both the muncipal solid waste portion, as well as construction demolition debris. This report details the transfer facility, or ~ should say the structures, required by the DEC, and by the contractors, to accomplish the business of when our garbage trucks come in, how that stuff is dumped, and then it's picked up, and put into a tractor trailer, and carted out of town. It's called a transfer station. The Town is committed to building a long term one, that's underway, that will shortly be underway, and we also need about a six month temporary transfer facility with which to transfer the material in the meantime. This particular report came into our mailboxes on, I believe, Thursday or Friday of last week, and my request to the E~oard today was, aren't we going to take it up~. The answer that I got from the rest of the Board was, I shouldn't say all of the rest of the Board, but from Supervisor and Deputy Supervisor, was this report doesn't need to be taken up. It's prepared by our consultants, and it's been handed over to the DEC as our submission. Well, I don't think that's the proper way for Town government to work. I'm a consultant myself. I have been quite often, and when a consultant does a report it's not his job to submit the report for approval. It comes to the organization that is paying for it. It's up to us to review it, see what the problems, and mistakes are in it, and ultimately it's for us to forward it on to the DEC. So, I just wanted the people here to'understand the way in which business has been handled by this Town Board, and frankly, the need for strengthening our own procedures to do it properly. Than~- you, Scott. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Thank you, Tom. Again, I would like to apoligize for having to get into this type of discussion and debate, however, Councilman Wickham continues to spin a web of fiction, as he has done continuously through his absentism in Town Hall, This has been worked on for two months. Our engineering firm was authorized by this' Board to permit, and submit this temporary transfer permit. The perrdanent transfer permit is still being worked on. The plans are still being worked on for the permanent facility, not yet permitted by the DEC. Again, Mr. Wickham absentism is in evidence because the number of people that have worked on this over the two months, the amount of work that was placed in this document is evident. We just received it on Thursday in the final form. However, the DEC has been cognizant of this. This is an emergency transfer permit. That's the DEC's term. They require the towns to give this detailed engineering, even though it's on a temporary basis, and the DEC has to, again, follow strict guidelines, and procedures. The Town has filed that with his engineering firm, with Ray Jacobs at the Highway, with Jim Bunchuck up at the Landfill, with Jamie Richter, our engineer. They've been working with the engineering firm of Dvirka and Bartilucci, continuing to solve this problem, which has finally been done ona quick, which has to be, because it only temporary, and again, Tom, all you had to do was call Ray Jacobs, call Jim Bundchuck. You would have known for two months they've been working on this. They've been having a number of meetings. It has all been solidified, had been finished. We met last week with the final document, going over to it to make sure everything was there, all the i's were dotted, and all the t's were crossed for submission to the DEC, which was done. So, unfortunately Councilman Wickham, I'm sorry, that again you don't participate in Town government, but this is typical of what we've had to deal with, and unfortunately, again, I apoligize, ladies and g~ntlemen;"l~edause'the truth has to .be known, and I can't let Councilman Wickham continue to try to deceive you on what work has taken place. You don't have to believe me. Contact anyone of the individuals I mentioned just rece~ntly. They will tell you how long they've been working on this temporary document. COUNCILMAN WlCKHAM: And I've been Working with them on it. : , OCTOBER 5, 3 9 7 SUPERVISOR HARRIS: You have not, because obviously you haven't even seen it. You didn't even know what it looked like. Councilman Penny. COUNCILMAN PENNY: Reference was made earlier to the fact that Town Board members left the room, and, yes, we did leave the room this afternoon. We said we were going to be back to discuss whatever happened with Fishers Island, but Ray was late. He has a doctor's appointment, but the reason that we left the room was to go down, and check on the progress of something that Councilman Wickham wanted to move today, because I guess this is the first time he has seen this report, and he was suggesting that rather than having this transfer facility put where it is it would be moved. We~-'when Joe and I went down there, and we invited Coun- cilman Wickham, and Councilwoman Hussie to go with us, they chose to remain in the room, and that's why he referenced that the~/ were the unly ones here. The transfer facility is almost done. The temporary wall is up. They're poring concrete today. So, yes, progress is underway. Yes, with the full working knowledge of the Town Board. Those of us that have been in the Landfill in the last few days, knew that this was going on, knew that how the placement arrived, and where it was going, and this document is not a surprise. Anybody that got this document could have discussed it with anybody in the Landfill before today. JUDGE EDWARDS: One last comment, and this is not on garbage. This is not on · politics. I don't know if the people out in the audience get an chance for an opportunity to pick up Dan's Papers, but the latest issue of Dan's Papers, which I read this noontime, and I had to laugh and chuckle when I read it. They have a spoof on the Planning Board of one of the South Shore communities about the farmer, who originally built the big duck, and if anyone gets a chance, they should get a chance to pick up Dan's Papers. It has a white duck on it, and read it, and you!re going to laugh along as I did today. It's a great thing, and it's a real spoof on the Planning Board, and just think could this happen at home? Quote, unquote, yes. SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Thank you, Judge. A motion to adjourn. Moved by Councilman Penny, seconded by Councilman Lizewski, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board meeting be and hereby is adjourned at 5:35 P.M. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Justice Edwards, Supervisor Harris. This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.