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BOARD OF TOWN TRUSTEES
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD RECEIVED
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Wednesday, August 15, 2018 �� ��
S thold Town Clerk
5:30 PM
Present Were: Michael J. Domino, President
John M. Bredemeyer, Vice-President
Charles J. Sanders, Trustee
Glenn Goldsmith, Trustee
A. Nicholas Krupski, Trustee
Elizabeth Cantrell, Senior Clerk Typist
Damon Hagan, Assistant Town Attorney
CALL MEETING TO ORDER
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
NEXT FIELD INSPECTION: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 8:00 AM
NEXT TRUSTEE MEETING: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 5:30 PM
at the main meeting hall
WORK SESSIONS: Monday, September 17, 2018 at 4:30 PM at the Town Hall Annex
2nd floor Board Room, and on Wednesday, September 19, 2018
at 5:00 PM at the Main Meeting Hall
APPROVE MINUTES: Approve Minutes of July 18, 2018
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Good evening, and welcome to our Wednesday
August 15, 2018 meeting. At this time I would like to call the meeting
to order and ask that we stand for the pledge.
(Pledge of Allegiance).
First I would like to recognize the people on the dais. To my left is Vice-President
and Board Trustee John Bredemeyer, Trustee Glenn Goldsmith, Trustee Nick
Krupski and Trustee Greg Williams. To my right is Assistant Town Attorney
Damon Hagan, Senior Clerk Typist Elizabeth Cantrell, and we'll also have with
us court stenographer Wayne Galante. And the Conservation Advisory
Council member scheduled to be here tonight is John Stein.
Agendas are located on the podium and out in the hall.
I would like to announce at this time postponements, if you
take a look at the agenda, page nine we have number four, Young
&Young on behalf of ROBINSON ELIODROMYTIS requests a Wetland
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Permit and a Coastal Erosion Permit to construct a two-story,
single-family dwelling with the first-floor area to include
1,320 sq.ft. of living, storage and mechanical space on a pile
foundation; adjacent to the dwelling construct a raised swimming
pool and pool deck for a combined 769 sq. ft. footprint with
associated seaward side 4'x3.5' cantilevered platform with
3.5'x12' steps to ground, and landward side 4'x3.5' cantilevered
platform with 3.5'x15' steps to ground; install a sanitary
system on the landward side of the dwelling within an
approximately 450 sq.ft. area; install a proposed 4'x39.25'
(157 sq.ft.)timber stairway and walk from proposed house to
driveway; install a driveway consisting of 19 cubic yards of
crushed stone over an area of 1,034 sq.ft.; install public water
and electric; approximately 432 cubic yards of material will be
excavated over an area of 1,978 sq.ft. to facilitate the
placement of 230 cubic yards of rock revetment over an area of
608 sq.ft., and the placement of 89 cubic yards of rock armor
over an area of 357 sq.ft. to support the existing concrete
seawall; approximately 199 cubic yards of clean sand backfill
over an area of 972 sq.ft. will be placed over the rock revetment
to the finished grades shown on the plan; approximately 233
cubic yards of sand fill over an area of 1,254 sq.ft. will be
placed from the top of the rock revetment to the 5.50 contour;
new native plants and rock will be placed to augment existing
grasses and brush; the excavation and fill volumes are intended
to be balanced an no excess material will leave the site.
Located: 600 Leeton Drive, Southold. SCTM# 1000-59-1-7
is postponed.
And number five, Costello Marine Contracting Corp. on
behalf of MARK & HELEN LEVINE requests a Wetland Permit and a
Coastal Erosion Permit to construct a 240' long rock revetment
at the base of the bluff using Y2 to 3 ton rock and 12" to 16"
diameter Coir-Logs; re-contour the 205' long top edge of bluff
and build a new berm reusing material excavated for revetment
construction; re-grade and re-vegetate area with native
plantings; terrace eroded areas on the slope of bluff as needed
using 12" to 16" diameter Coir-Logs as terracing boards;
re-grade areas landward and re-vegetate slope using native plantings.
Located: 2510 Grand View Drive, Orient. SCTM# 1000-14-2-3.7
is postponed.
On page eleven, number nine, J.M.O. Environmental
Consulting on behalf of CHARLES & BRENDA GRIMES requests a
Wetland Permit to construct a 15'x24' bluestone patio on sand;
stepping stone paths; 4'x6' steps; a 4'x158' fixed dock
utilizing "Thru-Flow" decking; a 3'x12' ramp; and a 6'x20' float
secured by two (2) piles.
Located: 4145 Wells Road, Peconic. SCTM# 1000-86-2-12.6 is postponed.
And page 12, number ten, Jeffrey Patanjo on behalf of
GREGORY & NELLIE RAMSEY requests a Wetland Permit to remove
existing storm damaged dock and replace with a proposed 4'x44'
long fixed dock using un-treated decking and supported with 8"
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diameter piles; install a proposed 30"x14' aluminum ramp; and
install a proposed 6'x20' floating dock using un-treated decking
situated in an "L" configuration and supported by two (2) 10"
diameter piles.
Located: 1160 Oakwood Drive, Southold. SCTM# 1000-70-12-29 is postponed.
Number eleven, PAUL & SUSAN WACHTER request a Wetland
Permit for a Ten-Year Maintenance Permit to trim the Phragmites
and removal; and to install and perpetually maintain a 30' wide
non-disturbance buffer along the landward edge of the beach.
Located: 2295 Bay Shore Road, Greenport. SCTM# 1000-53-4-15
is postponed.
And number 12, D.B. Bennett, P.E., P.C. on behalf of
KUPARI, LLC requests a Wetland Permit to construct an
approximately 65' long by 4.5'wide timber staircase on existing
bluff consisting of an 8'x4.5' top landing to 13.5'x4.5' steps
to an 8'x4.5' middle landing to 13.5'x4.5' steps to an 8'x4.5'
lower landing to 13.5'x4.5' steps to bottom of bluff; proposed
bluff stairs to be supported with fourteen 6" diameter by 12'
deep timber piles.
Located: 4115 Rocky Point Road, East Marion. SCTM# 1000-21-1-30.3
is postponed.
I would also like to announce that under Town Code Chapter
275-8(c), the files were officially closed seven days ago.
Submission of paperwork after that date, including tonight, may
result in a delay of the processing of the application.
At this time, I'll entertain a motion to have our next field
inspection Wednesday, September 12, 2018, at 8:00 AM at the town
annex.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: So moved
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
I'll entertain a motion to hold the next Trustee meeting on
Wednesday, September 19, 2018, at 5:30 PM here at the main
meeting hall.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: So moved
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
I'll take a motion to hold next work session at the town annex
board room, second floor, September 17th, 2018, at 4:30 PM and
at 5:00 PM, September 19th, 2018, here at the main meeting hall.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: So moved
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
At this time I'll entertain a motion to approve the Minutes
of the July 18, 2018 meeting.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: So moved.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
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(ALL AYES).
I. MONTHLY REPORT:
The Trustees monthly report for July 2018. A check for'
$6,702.43 was forwarded to the Supervisor's Office for the
General Fund.
II. PUBLIC NOTICES:
Public Notices are posted on the Town Clerk's Bulletin Board for review.
III. STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEWS:
RESOLVED that the Board of Trustees of the Town of Southold hereby finds that the
following applications more fully described in Section VIII Public Hearings Section of the
Trustee agenda dated Wednesday, August 15, 2018, are classified as Type II Actions
pursuant to SEQRA Rules and Regulations, and are not subject to further review under
SEQRA:
Kathy Halbreich SCTM# 1000-138-2-12
Stephen & Charlotte Wagner SCTM# 1000-24-1-11
Robinson Eliodromytis SCTM# 1000-59-1-7
Vanston Bear, LLC, c/o Andrew Beck, Member SCTM# 1000-111-10-14
1663 Bridge Lane, LLC, c/o Donald Brennan SCTM# 1000-118-2-4.2
Timothy & Nancy Lee Hill SCTM# 1000-77-2-2
Isle of Cedars, LLC SCTM# 1000-32-1-8
Ann T. Krom SCTM# 1000-145-2-19
John & Elvira Aloia SCTM# 1000-118-4-9
Janet Van Adelsberg SCTM# 1000-86-1-9.5
Resolved that the Board of Trustees of the Town of Southold hereby finds that the
following applications more fully described in Section VIII public hearing section of the
Trustee agenda dated Wednesday, August 15, 2018 are classified as unlisted actions
pursuant to SEQRA rules and regulations. A long environmental assessment form and a
field inspection have been completed by Trustees for the following applications and it is
hereby determined that they will not have a significant effect on the environment.
That would be: Cutchogue 6213, LLC, c/o Stephanie Guilpin, Managing Member
SCTM# 1000-82-2-3.1
Cutchogue 6291, LLC, c/o Stephanie Guilpin, Managing Member-SCTM# 1000-82-2-3.2
Brett O'Reilly SCTM# 1000-70-6-29.1
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Is there a second?
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
MR. HAGAN: Just to make it clear, that's the two resolutions
listed under Roman numeral III on tonight's agenda, you are
moving collectively on both of those resolutions listed therein?
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Yes.
MR. HAGAN: Thank you.
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IV. ENVIRONMENTAL DECLARATION OF SIGNIFICANCE PURSUANT TO
NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT
NYCCR PART 617:
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Under Roman numeral IV,
1. DESCRIPTION OF ACTION: Jeffrey Patanjo on behalf of BRETT O'REILLY
requests a Wetland Permit to remove existing bulkhead and construct new 164 linear
feet of vinyl bulkhead in-place; install and perpetually maintain a 10'wide non-turf buffer
along the landward edge of the bulkhead; remove and replace existing 4'x4' steps to
beach in similar location as existing; remove and replace decking on existing 6'x33' fixed
dock using un-treated decking material; extend existing fixed dock at seaward end by
constructing a proposed 4'x30'fixed dock using un-treated decking material; remove
existing adjustable ramp and floating dock, and install a proposed 30"x14' aluminum
adjustable ramp and a 5'x24' floating dock situated in an "I" configuration and supported
by two (2) 10" diameter piles; and install four(4) 10" diameter tie-off piles (two tie-off
piles along each side) adjacent to proposed floating dock.
Located: 505 Lighthouse Lane, Southold. SCTM# 1000-70-6-29.1
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER:
S.E.Q.R.A. NEGATIVE DECLARATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL SIGNIFICANCE:
WHEREAS, on August 13, 2018, the Southold Town Board of Trustees found
the application of BRETT O'REILLY to be an Unlisted Action Negative
Decision pursuant to SEQRA Rules and Regulations. A Short
Environmental Assessment Form and a field inspection have been completed
by the Board of Trustees; and it is hereby determined that it will not have a
significant effect on the environment, and;
WHEREAS, the Southold Trustees are familiar with this project
having visited the site on August 7, 2018 and having considered
Jeffrey Patanjo plans for this project dated June 1, 2018
showing the proposed dock and water depths by John Gerd
Heidecker, and;
WHEREAS, in reviewing the project plans dated June 1, 2018, and
water depths it has been determined by the Southold Town Board
of Trustees that all potentially significant environmental
concerns have been addressed as noted herein:
Navigation: The proposed dock meets standards and does not
extend beyond 1/3 across the water body. Depths for the dock
terminus are within Town Trustees, New York State Department of
Environmental Conservation and United States Army Corps. Of
Engineers guidelines and there is no recognized Federal/New York
State/Town navigation channel in the immediate vicinity of the
proposed structure.
Scope: The proposed dock is comparable to docks on
neighboring properties in areas where docks historically are
used for commercial and recreational purposes.
Scope in relation to the riparian rights of shell fishers:
The plan allows a standard ramp to float design that will not
impede access for those seeking shellfish and crustacea in
season.
Scope in relation to view shed: The seasonal end of the
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proposed dock will not extend appreciably beyond the existing
dock and as such the perspective will not be discernibly
different from the existing view.
Environmental upkeep: The dock design projects a usual
lifespan of 30 years with limited pile replacement so as to
minimize disturbance of the bottom.
THEREFORE, on account of the foregoing, the Southold Town
Board of Trustees Approve and Authorize the preparation of a
Notice of Negative Declaration pursuant to SEQRA for the
aforementioned project. That is my resolution.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number two,
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION: En-Consultants on behalf of CUTCHOGUE
6213, LLC, c/o STEPHANIE GUILPIN, MANAGING MEMBER requests a
Wetland Permit and a Coastal Erosion Permit to construct along
eroding toe of bluff approximately 165 linear feet of stone
revetment (to be tied into proposed revetment to east),
including a westerly 10' angled return, consisting of
approximately 3 to 5-ton stone placed over 50 to 100-Ib core
stone and filter cloth; restore bluff face by constructing
terrace retaining walls and placing approximately 209 cubic
yards of sand re-nourishment (including approximately 169 cy of
on-site material excavated from toe of bluff for revetment
installation and approximately 40 cy of clean sand to be trucked
in from an approved upland source) to be vegetated with native
plantings; and establish a 4' x +/-64' wood chip path to bluff
crest through the 50' wide non-disturbance buffer.
Located: 6213 Oregon Road, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-82-2-3.1
S.E.Q.R.A. NEGATIVE DECLARATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL SIGNIFICANCE:
WHEREAS, on August 13, 2018 the Southold Town Board of Trustees
found the application of CUTCHOGUE 6213, LLC, c/o STEPHANIE
GUILPIN, MANAGING MEMBER to be an Unlisted Action Negative
Decision pursuant to SEQRA Rules and Regulations. A Short
Environmental Assessment Form and a field inspection have been
completed by the Board of Trustees; and it is hereby determined
that it will not have a significant effect on the environment, and;
WHEREAS, the Southold Trustees are familiar with this project
having visited the site on August 7, 2018 and having considered
Jeffrey T. Butler, P.E., P.C. plans for this project last dated
June 8, 2018 showing the proposed revetment, terracing and bluff
stabilization, and;
WHEREAS, in reviewing the project plans dated June 8, 2018, it
has been determined by the Southold Town Board of Trustees that
all potentially significant environmental concerns have been
addressed as noted herein:
No existing rocks or boulders are to be utilized, moved, or
relocated on the beach.
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Access to the site for construction will be by barge.
Vegetative, non-structural measures are not capable of
stabilizing the erosion of the bluff alone.
Protection of the toe of bluff using hardened structures
including rock revetments is necessary.
As time progresses, continued soil loss at the toe of the
bluff may lead to complete loss of bluff stability.
A site inspection by the Southold Town Planning Board
recognized severe erosion on this property and requested a bluff
stabilization/erosion control plan.
THEREFORE, on account of the foregoing, the Southold Town Board
of Trustees Approve and Authorize the preparation of a Notice of
Negative Declaration pursuant to SEQRA for the aforementioned
project.
That's my motion.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Number three,
DESCRIPTION OF ACTION: En-Consultants on behalf of CUTCHOGUE
6291, LLC, c/o STEPHANIE GUILPIN, MANAGING MEMBER requests a
Wetland Permit and a Coastal Erosion Permit to construct along
eroding toe of bluff approximately 165 linear feet of stone
revetment (to be tied into proposed revetment to west),
including an easterly 10' angled return, consisting of approximately 3 to 5-ton
stone placed over 50 to 100-Ib core stone and filter cloth; restore bluff face
by constructing terrace retaining walls and placing approximately 214 cubic
yards of sand re-nourishment (including approximately 169 cubic
yards of on-site material excavated from toe of bluff for
revetment installation and approximately 45 cubic yards of clean
sand to be trucked in from an approved upland source) to be
vegetated with native plantings; construct a 4' wide elevated
timber bluff stairway with approximate overall length of 76 feet
(top to bottom), including a 5.6' x 7' entry platform, two 4' x
4' middle landings, two 4' x 5.6' middle landings with benches,
and 4' x 5.6' bottom landing with bench, leading to
approximately 4' wide stone steps through revetment to beach;
and establish a 4' x +/-415' wood chip path through beach access
easement to proposed stairway. Located: 6291 Oregon Road,
Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-82-2-3.2
S.E.Q.R.A. NEGATIVE DECLARATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL SIGNIFICANCE:
WHEREAS, on August 13, 2018 the Southold Town Board of Trustees
found the application of CUTCHOGUE 6291, LLC, c/o STEPHANIE
GUILPIN, MANAGING MEMBER to be an Unlisted Action Negative
Decision pursuant to SEQRA Rules and Regulations. A Short
Environmental Assessment Form and a field inspection have been
completed by the Board of Trustees; and it is hereby determined
that it will not have a significant effect on the environment, and;
WHEREAS, the Southold Trustees are familiar with this project
having visited the site on August 7, 2018 and having considered
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Jeffrey T. Butler, P.E., P.C. plans for this project last dated
June 8, 2018 showing the proposed revetment, terracing and bluff
stabilization, and;
WHEREAS, in reviewing the project plans dated June 8, 2018, it
has been determined by the Southold Town Board of Trustees that
all potentially significant environmental concerns have been
addressed as noted herein:
No existing rocks or boulders are to be utilized, moved, or
relocated on the beach.
Access to the site for construction will be by barge.
Vegetative, non-structural measures are not capable of
stabilizing the erosion of the bluff alone.
Protection of the toe of bluff using hardened structures
including rock revetments is necessary.
As time progresses, continued soil loss at the toe of the
bluff may lead to complete loss of bluff stability.
A site inspection by the Southold Town Planning Board
recognized severe erosion on this property and requested a bluff
stabilization/erosion control plan.
THEREFORE, on account of the foregoing, the Southold Town Board
of Trustees Approve and Authorize the preparation of a Notice of
Negative Declaration pursuant to SEQRA for the aforementioned
project.
That's my motion.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
V. RESOLUTIONS -ADMINISTRATIVE PERMITS:
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Under Roman numeral V, Resolutions -
Administrative Permits. In order to simplify our meetings, the
Board of Trustees regularly groups together actions that are
deemed minor or similar in nature.
Accordingly, I make a motion to approve as a group items
one and two. They are listed as follows:
Number one, Joe Read on behalf of LEE KRUTER &TRACY WEISS
requests an Administrative Permit to expand existing 8'x17'4"
southerly screened porch an additional 140 sq.ft. for a total
proposed 16'x17'4" southerly screened porch.
Located: 9475 Nassau Point Road, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-119-1-1
Number two, JASON & CATHERINE VERRELLI request an
Administrative Permit to install a ±32" wide by±32" deep by
±40" high fiberglass pad with air conditioning unit situated on top
Located: 560 Ruch Lane, Southold. SCTM# 1000-52-2-25
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Number three, Young & Young on behalf of
JONATHAN REBELL & NOAH LEVINE requests an Administrative
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Permit to remove existing one-story frame cottage (670 sq.ft.) and
abandon existing water supply and existing sanitary system;
construct new 1,779 sq.ft. two-story dwelling with a 265 sq.ft.
screen room, a 435 sq.ft. deck with trellis and 50 sq.ft. stairs
to ground, a 120 sq.ft. side porch with 30 sq.ft. stairs to
ground, a 152 sq. ft. rear porch with 97 sq.ft. stairs to ground;
a 576 sq.ft. garage; a 232 sq.ft. pool house with outdoor shower
and 205 sq.ft. trellis area; an 800 sq.ft. swimming pool; install
new water supply well and new sanitary system landward of
dwelling; and install gutter to leaders to drywells to contain
roof runoff, and in accordance with Chapter 236 of the Town Code
Stormwater Management.
Located: 4790 Blue Horizon Bluffs, Peconic. SCTM# 1000-74-1-35.56
The Trustees did a field inspection on August 7th and noted
that the building is nearly non-jurisdictional, that is the
northeast corner of the building lies almost exactly 100 feet
from the crest of the bluff. And accordingly, while the building
might be non-jurisdictional, the building envelope, which is
jetting 20 feet around the building to allow for construction
would in fact be in the Trustees'jurisdiction.
And in addition, the LWRP coordinator found this to be
consistent and the Conservation Advisory Council -- it's
administrative so there is none there.
I make a motion to approve this application as submitted,
with the understanding that the building envelope will encroach
20 feet into the Trustees'jurisdiction and is accordingly
allowed so that construction may continue.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
VI. APPLICATIONS FOR EXTENSIONS/TRANSFERS/ADMINISTRATIVE
AMENDMENTS
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Under Roman numeral VI, again, in order to
simplify the meeting, I make a motion to approve items one
through four. They are listed as follows:
Number one, Patricia Moore, Esq. on behalf of THEODORA A.
MARANGAS, THERESA B. MARANGAS, CATHERINE M. WILINSKI, ALICE V.
DONLAN & EILEEN RAYESKI requests a One-Year Extension to Wetland
Permit#8862, as issued on August 17, 2016.
Located: 1685 Westview Drive, Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-107-7-8
Number two, Docko, Inc. on behalf of MARK FRANKLIN requests a One-Year
Extension to Wetland Permit#8860, as issued on August 17, 2016 and Amended on
April 19, 2017; and for a One-Year Extension to Coastal Erosion Permit#8860C, as
issued by Town Board Appeal Approval on November 22, 2016, and Amended on April
19, 2017.
Located: Private Road on Clay Point Road, Fishers Island. SCTM# 1000-2-12-12.2
Number three, Jane Costello on behalf of THE BOATYARD AT FOUNDERS
LANDING, INC. requests the Last One-Year Extension to Wetland Permit#8666, as
issued on August 19, 2015, and Amended on April 20, 2016, and Amended again on
Board of Trustees 10 August 15, 2018
January 17, 2018.
Located: 2700 Hobart Road & 1000 Terry Lane, Southold.
SCTM# 1000-64-3-10 & 1000-64-3-11
Number four, Thomas McCarthy on behalf of PAUL &JOAN KUSTEK requests
a Transfer of Wetland Permit#4461 from Victor& Gail Ferrulli to Paul & Joan Kustek, as
issued on May 25, 1995.
Located: 1540 Smith Dive South, Southold. SCTM# 1000-76-3-5
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Motion made and seconded. All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Number five, Patricia Moore, Esq. on behalf
of JOHN &JESSICA LUPOVICI requests a Transfer of Wetland Permit
#2160 from John H. Molitor to John & Jessica Lupovici, as issued
on July 31, 1986.
Located: 1160 Snug Harbor Road, Greenport. SCTM# 1000-35-5-39.1
1 conducted the inspection on behalf of the Board as the
area Trustee on August 13th in the morning. I met with Mr.
Lupovici and we proceeded to the dock and it was discussed the
requested transfer. The smaller dock, instead of having a single
float as was noted to have two floats that were in relatively
good shape. It's at variance from the original permits slightly.
And accordingly, it can't be transferred as it's currently
built. In discussing with the owner, the standard Trustee policy
would be to transfer subject to a stipulation that he would have
to amend the permit. And I indicated to him that I would
recommend to the Board that any future float replacement be
conditioned to reverting back to a 6x20 float and that,
unfortunately, when the permit was generated, it was generated
in 1986 as a result of the creek survey and there is only a hand
drawing of the dimensions, which is almost discernible. It took
the clerk and myself looking at it some time to actually discern
and figure out the measurements. So I also indicated to Mr.
Lupovici it would be appropriate that he provide a licensed land
survey that depicts the floats for the file.
So accordingly, based on my discussions with Mr. Lupovici,
and he seemed in agreement, I would move to approve this
transfer subject to a stipulation that a current licensed land
survey showing both docks be submitted, and that an application
be submitted to amend to the current size structure with a
stipulation that any future float replacement of the two, the
northerly most docks, would then revert, any float replacement
would revert back to a single float not to exceed 120-square
feet. That's my motion.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Motion made and second. All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: The next application, number six,
CLIFFORD & KAREN CID request a Transfer of Wetland Permit#452
from William Moore/Cramer to Clifford & Karen Cid, as issued on
Board of Trustees 11 August 15, 2018
September 17, 1985.
Located: 675 Meadow Lane, Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-115-5-7
and, as a group, I'll also include number seven because it is
also for the same property.
Number seven is CLIFFORD & KAREN CID request a Transfer of
Wetland Permit#5638 from Robert Lobick to Clifford & Karen Cid, as
issued on October 18, 2002.
Located: 675 Meadow Lane, Mattituck. SCTM# 1000-115-5-7
Trustee Glenn Goldsmith is the area trustee, and myself
performed inspections on this property of this permit. We found
upon inspection that a fence which did not have a permit had
been removed and that invasive vegetation that was on the
property had also been removed, and wood chips had been
installed in the non-turf area, and that reverting the property
to a state where the native vegetation could be planted.
Accordingly, I would move to approve the transfer of these
two permits with the stipulation of a submission of a planting
plan for the native, 30-feet of native vegetation adjacent to
the wetland.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Motion made and seconded. All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
VII. RESOLUTIONS -OTHER
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Under Item VII, resolutions other, number one,
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Board of Trustees RESCINDS the Resolution
Adopted on July 18, 2018 regarding the property located at 3520 Minnehaha Boulevard,
Southold. SCTM# 1000-87-3-66.3.
After a further research of the archives it is noted that the dock was transferred and
amended in place, so a denial was rendered moot and this resolution will correct that
oversight. That's my motion
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Number two, RESOLVED, that the Southold Town
Board of Trustees AMENDS the Resolution Adopted on April 18,
2018 regarding the property located at 1350 Paradise Point Road,
Southold; SCTM# 1000-115-11-9 to read as follows:
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Board of Trustees APPROVES the
request of Charles R. Cuddy, Esq. On behalf of EDWARD & DIANE
DALEY for a Wetland Permit to construct additions and
alterations to the existing dwelling consisting of squaring off
seaward side of dwelling and constructing second-story additions
to create a 2 'h story, 76.8'x40.8' footprint dwelling; construct
an 8'x75.5' seaward side porch; construct a 8'x52.10' landward
side porch; construct a 13.7'x18.1' breezeway leading to a
proposed 26'x30' attached garage on landward side of dwelling;
reconfigure existing driveway approximately 15'-20' to the south
to accommodate new garage; construct a 40'x24' swimming pool
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with 9'x9' hot tub; install a 60'x63' pool patio with 20sq.ft.
patio connecting pool patio and garage; construct a 34'x18' pool
house; and install a 6' wide concrete walkway from pool patio to dwelling.
Located: 1350 Paradise Point Road, Southold. SCTM# 1000-81-3-23
This was the actual description of the property as
submitted by the applicant. Due to a scrivener's error, the pool
house was inadvertently left out of the previous description,
and this resolution will correct that error. So this is my
resolution.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Second.
MR. HAGAN: Just for clarity on the record, there was a field
inspection of the fully applied for application and it appeared
on the plans originally filed but because of the project it was
just one line was inadvertently left out.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Okay. That's my resolution.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
VIII. PUBLIC HEARINGS:
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Under VIII, public hearings. At this time I'll take a motion
to go off regular meeting agenda and enter the public hearing.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: So moved.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE DOMINO: This is a public hearing in the matter of the
following applications for permits under the Wetlands Ordinance
of the Town of Southold. I have an affidavit of publication from
the Suffolk Times. Pertinent correspondence may be read prior to
asking for comments from the public.
I would ask that you keep your comments relevant to the
application, brief, five minutes or less if possible.
AMENDMENTS:
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Under amendments, number one, Michael Kimack on behalf of
KATHY HALBREICH requests an Amendment to Wetland Permit#9024 to modify the
proposed dock to be the following: Remove existing 5'5"x6'0"wood dock and two (2)
4"x6" wood pilings; construct a 4'0"x5'6" walkway to a 4'0"x12'0"fixed dock with eight (8)
4"x4" pilings (walkway 22sq.ft. and fixed dock 48sq.ft.); decking shall be Thru-Flow for
both walkway and fixed dock; and structure to be installed one (1) foot further seaward
than originally approved.
Located: 5100 Skunk Lane, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-138-2-12
The Trustees did the most recent field inspection August 7th, and noted
everything was straightforward.
The LWRP coordinator found this to be consistent.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support the application with the
condition that there be thru-flow on the decking.
Is there anyone here to speak to this application?
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MR. KIMACK: Michael Kimack on behalf of the applicant. I'll make
it very brief. You approved this in May of 2017 for a 6x8 deck
one foot off of the bulkhead, which put it seven feet out, with
a 5'3"x8' walkway to it. The DEC did not agree to that. Their
requirements are if it was wider than four foot it's not
considered a dock but a deck, and it has to be four feet away in
order to stay away from the Spartina. So we redesigned it to be
18"with the platform and four feet from there. We have the same
square footage. We took the 6x8 and basically made it 4'wide by
12. Then it becomes eight feet from the wood bulkhead instead
of seven, in order to be in compliance with the DEC permit,
which has been approved, it was part of the application.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Any questions or comments from the Board?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Very appropriate application for the location.
MR. KIMACK: I think so. I think it worked out well.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Is there anyone else who wishes to speak to this
application?
(Negative response).
Hearing no further comments, I'll make a motion to close
this hearing.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE DOMINO: I'll make a motion to approve this application
as submitted.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
WETLAND & COASTAL EROSION PERMITS:
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number one, En-Consultants on behalf of
CUTCHOGUE 6213, LLC, c/o STEPHANIE GUILPIN, MANAGING MEMBER
requests a Wetland Permit and a Coastal Erosion Permit to
construct along eroding toe of bluff approximately 165 linear
feet of stone revetment (to be tied into proposed revetment to
east), including a westerly 10' angled return, consisting of
approximately 3 to 5-ton stone placed over 50 to 100-Ib core
stone and filter cloth; restore bluff face by constructing
terrace retaining walls and placing approximately 209 cubic
yards of sand re-nourishment (including approximately 169 cy of
on-site material excavated from toe of bluff for revetment
installation and approximately 40 cy of clean sand to be trucked
in from an approved upland source) to be vegetated with native
plantings; and establish a 4' x +/-64' wood chip path to bluff
crest through the 50' wide non-disturbance buffer.
Located: 6213 Oregon Road, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-82-2-3.1
The LWRP found this to be consistent provided that in 2016
the Planning Board agreed to allow a four-foot wide access path
through the non-disturbance buffer on lot one, with the
condition that covenants and restrictions are filed to
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memorialize this'decision, and describe the limitations of it
for future landowners; that no existing rocks or boulders are
used, moved or relocated on the beach; and access to the site
for construction is identified and agreed upon.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved not to support
this application. Historically the proposed project plan does
not work in this area, which is a highly sensitive area
extending along the entire shoreline to Orient.
The Trustees conducted a field inspection on August 7th,
noting that it was a straightforward application.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak regarding this
application?
MR. HERRMANN: Good evening. Rob Herrmann of En-Consultants on
behalf of the applicant. Sorry, Jeff could not be here tonight,
so hopefully I can carry his weight.
This is a site that the Board looked at, has looked at a
couple of times with us. It probably becomes even more familiar
with the hearing to follow in the property to the north, 6291.
Basically between the two properties there is a proposed
revetment at the toe of the bluff, and on this parcel there is a
pathway that is proposed through the non-disturbance buffer
which was originally covenanted as part of the subdivision.
The Board may remember that as part of a buffer restoration
plan that the Board approved a couple of years ago, we had
proposed this path, but the Board had pointed out that the
covenants and restrictions from the subdivision prevented any
clearing associated with the buffer that was not strictly
related to restorative plantings.
So we did apply to the Planning Board and had approved a
couple of things, one which I'll hold off on, which relates to
6291 and the stairway easement, but one was the allowance of
this pathway. So in response to the LWRP comments, there were
covenants and restrictions filed with the county clerk pursuant
to that Planning Board decision that was to allow for this pathway.
It's the same pathway that was shown specifically to the
Planning Board. So there is no surprise there.
Access, as with the prior permit for the bluff
stabilization, would come from Duck Pond Road, which is an
existing beach access road about 2,000 feet to the south. I
notice in the SEQRA determination that was read it talked about
access coming from the Sound by barge. I don't believe that
would be the plan. I believe the plan would be as it is
designated on the site plan, which is access would come from
Duck Pond. It would not come about over the top of the bluff or
through the buffer, which I assume was the importance of
pointing out where the access would come from.
We would not be able either legally or physically here to
having access coming from the top of the bluff. So if access
didn't come from the Sound, it would come from Duck Pond Road,
and I know they would have to file a bond to use that roadway.
But otherwise, it's a pretty straightforward erosion
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control application. It does follow-up on what the Board had
originally approved as a bluff erosion control plan that did not
include a revetment. And as you can see in your photos, the
severe erosion that has occurred since that time has basically
identified the fact that to proceed without some sort of toe
erosion would probably be a fool's errand. So therein lies the
context for the application.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Is there anyone else here who wishes to speak
regarding this application?
(Negative response).
Any questions or comments from the Board?J
TRUSTEE DOMINO: I would just like to mention the comments that
because there won't be a bluff cut access from a barge or off
Long Beach, it still doesn't effect the negative declaration.
MR. HERRMANN: Excellent news.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Any other comments?
(Negative response).
Hearing none, I'll make a motion to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I make a motion to approve this application,
noting that access would be via the Sound or through Duck Pond
Road.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number two, En-Consultants on behalf of
CUTCHOGUE 6291, LLC, c/o STEPHANIE GUILPIN, MANAGING
MEMBER requests a Wetland Permit and a Coastal Erosion Permit to
construct along eroding toe of bluff approximately 165 linear
feet of stone revetment (to be tied into proposed revetment to
west), including an easterly 10' angled return, consisting of
approximately 3 to 5-ton stone placed over 50 to 100-Ib core
stone and filter cloth; restore bluff face by constructing
terrace retaining walls and placing approximately 214 cubic
yards of sand re-nourishment (including approximately 169 cubic
yards of on-site material excavated from toe of bluff for
revetment installation and approximately 45 cubic yards of clean
sand to be trucked in from an approved upland source) to be
vegetated with native plantings; construct a 4' wide elevated
timber bluff stairway with approximate overall length of 76 feet
(top to bottom), including a 5.6' x 7' entry platform, two 4' x
4' middle landings, two 4' x 5.6' middle landings with benches,
and 4' x 5.6' bottom landing with bench, leading to
approximately 4' wide stone steps through revetment to beach;
and establish a 4' x +/-415' wood chip path through beach access
easement to proposed stairway.
Located: 6291 Oregon Road, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-82-2-3.2
The LWRP found this to be consistent, noting provided that
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in 2016 the Planning Board agreed to allow a shift in the access
easement to avoid slopes; no existing rocks or boulders are
used, moved or relocated on beach; access to the site for
construction is identified and agreed upon.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved not to support
this application.
The Trustees conducted a field inspection on August 7th,
noting that it was straightforward.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak regarding this
application?
MR. HERRMANN: Rob Herrmann En-Consultants behalf of the
applicant.
This is a continuation of the proposed revetment that the
Board just addressed in the prior public hearing. The one
difference in this application is this is the property over
which the stairway easement for the original Oregon Landing
subdivision runs.
We had been before the Trustees in the past, as I noted in
the prior hearing, not only for the bluff restoration but also
for the construction of the bluff stairway which provides access
for all four properties created by the subdivision.
You may remember at that time that Trustee Domino had
raised an issue of concern relating to the location of access to
the proposed stairway because it was going to be running down
seaward of the top of the bluff, and we were grateful at that
time and thank him again for those observations, as that
triggered a long process that included going to the Planning
Board and actually relocating the stairway easement to run
landward of the top of the bluff and not below it. That stairway
easement modification was approved by the Planning Board and
covenants and restrictions were filed accordingly documenting
the location of that easement. So on this latest plan by
Jeffrey Butler, you'll now see that the access path and stairway
easement now run in a different location than they did before,
which necessitated a change in the previously issued permit, as
does the bottom construction stairway in connection with
the proposed revetment. So we are hoping that this will be the
last time the Board will have to look at this property in
connection with the bluff restoration, as we hope we now have a
proper means of restoring the toe of the bluff, the face of the
bluff, putting the stairway in the right location. It will be
built over the revetment, and we have the access pathway in more
appropriate location.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Anyone else here who wishes to speak
regarding this application?
(Negative response).
Any questions or comments from the Board?
(Negative response).
Hearing none, I'll make a motion to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
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(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I make a motion to approve this application
noting access will be via the Sound or the end of Duck Pond
Road, which does not effect the negative SEQRA declaration.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Number three, En-Consultants on behalf of
STEPHEN & CHARLOTTE WAGNER requests a Wetland Permit and a
Coastal Erosion Permit to install approximately 69 linear feet
of 1.5' to 2.5' diameter, 300 to 1,500 pound stone rip-rap
(approximately 240sq.ft.) on filter cloth along toe of eroding
embankment; remove existing damaged steps to water and construct
new 5'x5' wood landing and 4'x6' steps; and establish and
perpetually maintain a 5' wide non-turf buffer in place of
existing lawn adjacent to top of bank/landward edge of proposed
rip-rap, to be planted with Cape American beach grass 12" on center.
Located: 20 Harbor River Road, Orient. SCTM# 1000-24-1-11
The LWRP coordinator found this to be consistent.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support this
application with the condition of a seven-foot non-turf
vegetated buffer.
The Trustees visited this site the 7th of August. All were
present. The notes read as follows: Initially it was not staked
but that was fixed later on. Acceptable project. Photos from
the stakes landward of the private sign in keeping with Board
concerns. Which I guess we don't have a picture on that.
Is there anyone here that wishes to speak regarding this
application?
MR. HERRMANN: Yes. Rob Herrmann behalf of the applicant. Steve
Wagner is here as well. This is a project that we looked at with
the Board originally on a pre-submission basis. And what you are
seeing should be consistent with our discussion. This is a
location where the Wagner's have experienced almost sudden and
extreme erosion since the Orient Creek began to be dredged in
the past couple of years. Just the volume and flow velocity of
the tides coming in and out there have caused the shoreline up
in this location to be eaten away. There is actually, as you go
south along the shoreline, still sort of a healthy swath of
Spartina patens high marsh, so we don't have the photos up but
where we are proposing the project basically runs from the
existing bulkhead about 69 feet down to where that marsh
vegetation is still intact. Once you get to the point where the
extent of the project ends, you start to see some Baccharus
coming back-- I shouldn't say coming back, but it's still
there. The patens are still there. In terms of the placement of
the stone, it will run right along the toe of the eroded
embankment above mean high water.
So as you mentioned the sign, I don't remember where the
sign was, onshore or offshore, but that's about where the stone
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ends, where that sign was located because that's where the marsh
starts to come back. And again, due to DEC restrictions we have
to keep the stone from intruding upon that marsh and also keep
the stone up above high water.
So if the Board has any questions or comments we are happy
to try to address them.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: That was not the post-staking photograph
that I -- I apparently didn't see in the file. The staking conformed
with what the --
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I have the staking photographs in the file.
Are there any questions or comments from the Board?
(Negative response).
Anyone else here that wishes to speak regarding this
application?
(Negative response).
Can you speak to expanding the buffer at all?
I know the CAC requested a seven-foot before buffer in that
location.
MR. HERRMANN: We proposed to have a five-foot non-turf buffer of
beach grass along the top. To extend that back to seven feet is
fine. The idea is to try to keep this area of shoreline stable,
so to have a little more pervious area, a little more beach
grass is also desirable as well.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Great. Any other comments?
(Negative response).
Hearing none, I make motion to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I make motion to approve this application with
the amendment of a seven-foot non-turf buffer
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES):
WETLAND PERMITS:
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Under Wetland Permits, number one,
En-Consultants on behalf of VANSTON BEAR, LLC, c/o ANDREW BECK,
MEMBER requests a Wetland Permit to remove and replace in-place
approximately 1,032 linear feet of existing timber bulkhead
forming boat basin and channel jetties with vinyl bulkhead; a
Ten (10) Year Maintenance Permit to dredge approximately
7,800 sq.ft. area of channel/mouth of basin to a maximum depth of
four feet below mean lower low water; place approximately 500
cubic yards of approximately 1,400 cubic yards resultant sand
spoil as backfill around replacement bulkheading; place
approximately 600 cubic yards spoil in designated ±9,100 sq.ft.
on-site disposal area above spring high water to south of
channel; and place approximately 300 cubic yards spoil in
designated ±5,800 sq.ft. spoil site on beach above spring high
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water on two adjoining properties to north, including unopened
"West Bay Road" (Town of Southold) and Harbor Cove Property
Owners Association (SCTM# 1000-111-10-12); and remove and
replace in-place 3.5'x36' and 5'x81' fixed timber docks located
inside boat basin during bulkhead replacement.
Located: 5250 Vanston Road, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-111-10-14
The LWRP found this project to be consistent.
The Conservation Advisory Council does not support the
application and recommends both groins are cut back to open up
and allow the proper flushing of the boat basin. And they don't
feel there will be a need for constant dredging.
On 8/7 of'18, the Board of Trustees visited the site. The
notes found the project to be straightforward.
At this point I would like to open the public hearing.
Is there anybody here who wishes to speak to the application?
MR. HERRMANN: Thank you, Greg. Rob Herrmann of En-Consultants on
behalf of the applicant. This project should look very familiar
with the Board. Several years ago we actually met with the Board
to determine a spoil site on this property. You may recall
permit 8600 was issued in May of 2015. It was originally issued
to Glendalough Properties, you may remember working with Barbara
Brotts. The property was transferred in February of 2017 and as
part of the due diligence of that sale, the permit was wisely
transferred to the new owners, but unwisely not extended. So had
that permit been extended it would still be valid today.
We are asking virtually for the same scope of work as was
originally approved, except the unfortunate situation that the
new owners find themselves in having to go through the Trustee
permitting process again actually opened up a fortuitous
opportunity for the down drift owners, Harbor Cove Property
Homeowners Association. You may remember we had a very, very
lengthy public hearing in 2015, Harbor Cove Property Owners
Association members had come to the hearing, and were hoping for
sand material to be transferred down drift onto their beach. By
way of background, the Board may remember that originally the
material was not being transferred down beach because we could
not get permission from the nature conservancy who owns most of
the properties to the north of this site, other than the one
owned by Harbor Cove. So again we went through that inquiry
with the nature conservancy and they maintained their
objections. However, as a new neighbor and new owner and
someone who is looking to establish themselves here, as opposed
to the prior applicant who was looking to get out as quickly and
efficiently as possible, they did extend an offer through our
office to Harbor Cove Property Owners Association to give them
the beach re-nourishment material they originally asked for in
2015. 1 don't know if the Board remembers, Trustee Bergen was
actually a nay vote on the original permit because the material
was not, there was not enough effort being made by the applicant
to put any material on the association lot. So for the new
owner, in a fresh outlook, we had a change we hope that will
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benefit them. We did submit with the application written consent
and authorization from all of the association members indicating
that they would be willing to and probably happy to accept the
sand. So the project stands exactly as the Board had approved
it in 2015, with that exception, being that less material will
be placed on the subject property, less spoil material will be
placed on the subject property with about 300 yards of material
being placed on the association lot. Otherwise it stands the
same. Our DEC permit remains current and valid. That permit has
been transferred and we just ask them to make the same
modification to allow the material to go down drift.
I had a preliminary conversation with Drew Walker, their
regional supervisor, who indicated they didn't anticipate having
any problems.
With that, we hope we'll have a much shorter hearing and
the Board will approve the application, again, with that
modification that benefits the association.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Is there anybody else that wishes to speak to
this application? Please come to the podium.
MS. BILLINGHAY: Melissa Billinghay, 4505 Vanston Road,
Cutchogue, and I'm a member of the Harbor Cove Association and I
was one of the people who requested the spoil be placed on our
beach for replenishment. So I appear tonight as just to say
thank you to the homeowners for agreeing to give us the spoil.
We have full support from Harbor Cove that we wanted it.
Everyone is appreciative of the way Trey and Laura have gone
forward with the plans and we support them.
MR. HERRMANN: Thank you, Miss.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Is there anyone else here that wishes to speak
to this application?
MS. HARRISON: Patricia Harrison, 4490 Vanston Road, and I own an
adjacent piece of property on what is mostly the nature
conservancy property. And I just have a question. Can you or
somebody explain to me where the unopened West Bay Road is?
MR. HERRMANN: Sure.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Now that the subject has arisen. I confirmed
with the Town highway superintendent, and maybe local resident
and former Town Trustee Dave Bergen, who is in the audience,
could support the notion that-- he is a resident in the Nassau
Point area. My understanding roads may have been depicted as
Town of Southold on the maps but there is no ownership interest
in the roads on the part of the town. I don't know if that's
entirely correct, but that's what the highway superintendent
indicates, we don't file the roads, we don't perform
maintenance.
MR. HERRMANN: So all I would have to offer is a survey. Do you
mind if I give it to the speaker?
This is sort of just to the north of the inlet channel.
There is this road that shows up on the tax map as West Bay
Road, as an unopened town road. So, and you can keep this.
MS. HARRISON: Can I?Thank you.
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MR. HERRMANN: So if you went down there you would not have any
idea where any such thing existed, and surely will never exist.
But we have to follow, when the land surveyor prepares the map
he has to follow what is shown on the Suffolk County tax map
regardless of how silly it may seem in the context of today's
setting there.
MS. HARRISON: Thank you
MR. HERRMANN: Since it's a beach, we anticipated the Trustees
would be the permit-issuing authority for placement of the sand
there regardless.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Is there anybody else that wishes to speak to
the application or any other comments or questions from the
Board?
(Negative response).
I make a motion to close the public hearing.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: I make a motion to approve the application as
submitted.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
MR. HERRMANN: Thank you.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Number two, Costello Marine Contracting Corp. on
behalf of 1663 BRIDGE, LLC, c/o DONALD BRENNAN requests a
Wetland Permit to remove existing boat whips, fish cleaning
station,jet ski lift, and ladders from deck; remove existing
±125' x±13.5' deck along bulkhead, existing ±125' long
bulkhead, and existing east and west bulkhead returns
completely; construct a new±125' long vinyl bulkhead with a 13'
long east return and a 12' west return in-place; construct a new
125'x13.5' wooden deck along bulkhead in-place; backfill and
re-grade areas landward of bulkhead and new deck so that new
deck matches the existing grade; reinstall existing jet ski lift, ladders,
fish cleaning station and boat whips on deck; install two (2) new 8"
diameter mooring pilings; and for the existing water and electric services,
and existing 15'x18' shed to remain.
Located: 1663 Bridge Lane, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-118-2-4.2
The Trustees most recent field inspection of this property
was conducted on August 7th. The field notes indicate that
possibly consider pulling the jet ski lift. Everything else is
straightforward.
The LWRP coordinator found this to be inconsistent. The
inconsistency arises from the fact that although a 1994 survey
found in the town's laserfiche system so that the dock and the
boathouse, no wetland permits were found in the town records
for structures and accessory structures.
The Conservation Advisory Council supports the application
with the condition that no animals are kept in the cage. There
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is a cage noted landward of the deck.
Is there anyone here to speak to this application?
MR. COSTELLO: Yes. My name is John Costello, I'm with Costello
Marine Contracting and we are the agents for this application.
And there goes the tiger.
I told them to take the tiger out of there and see if they
could get rid of it. And, certainly, that is a condition, not a
big problem. But it's actually taking all the existing structure
in removing --the description is a little more deceiving. It's
taking everything out, including boat whips, the ellipse,
everything out and putting it back exactly in the same location,
same spot. The only difference is the two additional tie-off
pilings, should you have storms occasionally, instead of the
whips, relying on the two whips holding the boat off alone, the
extra pilings were requested just in a storm condition. Any
questions that the Board has, we were told, I was going to
attempt to originally elevate it by six inches, knowing the
tides are rising but if it goes under water, you can elevate the
electric and water and utilities. That's what we do now anyway.
On most docks, the electric and all the utilities are elevated
no matter what. Because they do go under water. I have had
several marinas that had electric go under and don't do it any
more. Most of the electric is either buried or elevated. And
we'll put the utilities back in. Whatever we'll take out we'll
put back in as they are.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: It sure is comforting to hear there are no
tigers in that cage.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: What was that, was that a pen for animals?
MR. COSTELLO: I believe they had a couple of pets and they
didn't want them running around the yard and going in the water
and tracking the dirt and mud around. So they would just retain
them temporarily while they are out.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Anyone else here to speak to this application?
(Negative response).
Any questions or comments from the Board?
(Negative response).
Any further comments?
(Negative response).
Hearing none, I make a motion to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
I make a motion to approve this application knowing that by
granting a permit will bring it into consistency with the LWRP.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: The next application, number three, Suffolk
Environmental Consulting, Inc. on behalf of TIMOTHY& NANCY LEE
HILL requests a Wetland Permit for the as-built 25.4'x12.3'
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(312.4sq.ft.) Seaward side deck; propose to construct a
12'x40.3' (483.6 sq.ft.) one-story addition on westerly side;
propose to construct a 14.8'x12.3' (182 sq.ft.) at grade patio
with 3.5'x3.5' (12.25 sq.ft.) steps to grade.
Located: 360 Oak Avenue, Southold. SCTM# 1000-77-2-2
This project has been deemed to be both inconsistent and
consistent with the Town's LWRP. The inconsistency draws from
the fact that the as-built 25.4x12.3, 312.4 square foot seaward
side deck was constructed without a wetlands permit.
And the Conservation Advisory Council had voted to support
this project.
The Board in inspecting the property on August 7th
recognizes the structures have literally no environmental impact
and feel this is a straightforward construction and it will not
have an impact on the adjoining wetlands. But did raise the
question whether the hundred-year old plus oak trees could
possibly be saved during the course of construction because of
their extremely advanced age and their beautiful, absolutely
beautiful shape and construction. They look to be very stable
trees. That's a question we raise with all hopes they can be saved.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak to this application?
MR. ANDERSON: Bruce Anderson, Suffolk Environmental Consulting.
All I can tell you is we can make our best effort to save them.
It's a narrow, it's only 12-feet wide, and I'm not sure there is
really anything that we can do when we talk about trees. Usually
the roots will equal the canopy area, the drip line. If so --
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: We understand that. We felt they were so
beautiful. We were just about to ask, if possible.
MR. ANDERSON: We wish it was otherwise. The other thing is there
are insurance issues, too, with that. We don't want, if a tree
like that ever fell on the house, it would go right through the house
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Understood. Particularly if it's
destabilized. It's a question of excavation for the foundation
that the root zone was really not in play. But otherwise it's
true. You factually nailed the botany aspect of the drip line
and the roots.
MR. ANDERSON: I really don't have much more to add.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Anything else to add?Any comments?
MR. ANDERSON: No. We think it's a very innocuous application.
I'll say one thing that might interest you, when we looked at
this, we also made sure if we ever needed the septic upgrade we
can put it between the house and the road. So make that part of
the record, because that was a consideration
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Very good. Thank you. Is there anyone else
who wishes to speak to this application?
(Negative response).
Any comments from the Board?
(Negative response).
Hearing none, I'll make a motion to close this hearing.
MS. CONTE: I wanted to speak. Should I come up?
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: I'll rescind the motion to close the
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hearing.
MS. CONTE: Sorry. I'm Diane Conte, I'm speaking on behalf of my
daughter Elizabeth Lohr, 325 Oak Avenue. One of the questions
that we had was, are we following the side, side setback codes
for this project
MR. ANDERSON: Yes.
MS. CONTE: You are within the ten, 15 --
MR. ANDERSON: We are beyond the ten feet--
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You can't speak across.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Yes. You should address your comments to the
members of the Board themselves. Actually, there is a
determination and a finding of the Zoning Board of Appeals.
Ordinarily the Building Department reviews all our applications
and applications that require variances then have to go through
the Zoning Board of Appeals. So by the time we receive an
application for the wetland review it has been viewed and has
been accepted to be meeting the requirements of the Building
code and setbacks and/or has been granted Zoning Board of
Appeals determination.
MS. CONTE: Okay, I was not aware of that. Because the addition
to this home they are making is almost leading way to opening up
to other people to do like mega-mansions and just take the
entire space on the property almost to zero property line at
this point. And also it's preventing other people from seeing
the view of the water in that location. People across the
street are no longer going to have the view they had before. On
top of the fact this makes no difference to you I'm sure, but
they put in a line of shrubs in the front, trees, I think
Lelands, that are going to grow really high, as it is already,
plus take another 12 feet away from the view of the people
across the street. And I was just wondering if they did have
those side setbacks approved. I was not aware they already went
through the zoning, because we had written a letter opposing
that back when, and had not heard anything of it from them. So
I'm just wondering how is this getting approved in that sense,
because of that. Why was it approved.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: The Board of Trustees really can't speak to
the Zoning issues since it's a matter that is not really our
purview and not within our jurisdiction. So we can only address
the matters that relate directly to the Town Wetland Code
Chapter 275.
We did perform a field inspection on 8/7 and the Board did
feel it was standard construction albeit it was deemed to be
brought into consistency by, through permitting process because
the one deck was built without a permit.
MS. CONSTE: So are the existing properties around them supposed
to be informed?
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Are you saying you wrote a letter to our
file, or for the Zoning Board of Appeals?
MS. CONTE: The Zoning Board of Appeals.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: All right, thank you. I just wanted to
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clarify because if you had written a letter to us we would read
it into the record at this time.
MS. CONTE: No, it was to the Zoning Board of Appeals. So I'm
wondering, are you not supposed to get notification once
something is approved or if there is any further discussion
about it?
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Again, this Board can't speak to that.
MR. HAGAN: The Town Code is clear as far as the noticing
requirements with regard to applications, whether it's before
the Board of Trustees or the Zoning Board of Appeals.
MS. CONTE: Okay, so basically it's going to be approved then.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I don't disagree your comments, but this Board
doesn't have the power to control that.
MS. CONTE: I mean it's just going to become mega-mansion city
because we are now extending to almost the end of the property,
which is really not fair, since they built the house, bought
that property for that reason, and there are other people across
the street as well, were kind of--
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: I appreciate your comments. As a young
fellow, I ran around those streets. I'm with you. Unfortunately
it's not us. We tried as best as we can with our code.
MS. CONTE: Thank you.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Thank you. Is there anyone else to speak to
the application?
MR. ANDERSON: I would like to say something to the folks that
just spoke, and that is the minimum setback is ten feet. We
exceed that. We show setbacks here of 14.5 and 15.8.
The second thing I would like to say, it's a one-story
house, it's a very low house. And as far as, you know, the
over-building, the gross floor area standpoint is quite modest,
what we are asking for. I hope that makes a difference.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Thank you. Anybody else?
(Negative response).
Seeing no one else approaching the dais, no additional comments
from the Board, I make a motion to close the hearing in this
matter.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: I'll make a motion to approve this
application as submitted, noting that by granting a permit we
bring it into consistency with the Town's LWRP, and as expressed
on the side but not part of the permit approval, if the trees
and root zone are not at risk during construction that an
attempt be made that they save the trees with respect the
application to approve as submitted. That's my motion.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Number four, Isaac Israel on behalf of ISLE OF
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CEDARS, LLC requests a Wetland Permit for the existing
2,220.1 sq.ft. one-story dwelling; construct a 14.4'x6' addition
onto landward side of dwelling; construct a 7.6'x22.1' front
entry addition; construct a 20.3'x12.6' screened in porch on
westerly side of dwelling; construct a 16.3'x46.3' second-floor
addition over existing easterly section of dwelling; remove
existing 564.4 sq.ft. seaward side deck and construct a proposed
11.9'x24.6' deck with two steps to grade; abandon existing
sanitary system and install new sanitary system landward of
dwelling; install gutters to leaders to drywells on the dwelling
to contain roof runoff, and in accordance with Chapter 236 of
the Town Code Stormwater Management.
Located: 2450 Peters Neck Road, Orient. SCTM# 1000-32-1-8
The LWRP found this to be consistent, provided the
following: Verify the wetlands jurisdictional setback; the
Orient Point landmass is not served by public water and
properties in the area are subject to high groundwater and
flooding; the property is located within a FEMA flood zone
AE EL-6; depth to groundwater is shown as 3.7 2012; installation
of an innovative alternative onsite waste water treatment system
is recommended to further policies Five and Six; establish the
natural wooded area required in permit 7774 and 7774-C, be shown
as vegetated non-turf buffer.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support this
application.
The Trustees visited this site on the 7th of August. The
project looks okay. Possibly require a sanitary system.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak regarding this
application?
MR. ISRAEL: Good evening. Isaac Israel, agent for the applicant
Isle of Cedars, LLC. This is pretty much the very similar
application to what this Board had approved back, or some
members of this Board had approved back in 2012. And with the
one of the only differences being actually a decrease in the
size of the deck on the water side of the property.
We have already a permit from the Building Department as
well as Health Department approve approval to replace the
sanitary system, which we already started to do. And we have
brought in some additional fill to try to take into account any
differences that the system perform properly.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone else here that wishes to speak
regarding this application?
(Negative response).
Any comments from the Board?
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: The sanitary system.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: We would like to remind Mr. Israel and the
owners of the LLC that this zone is on a peninsula and your soil
shows water at 3.7', and subsequently you might want to consider
elevating a bit more the septic system to take into account
possible future rises in sea level.
MR. ISRAEL: Thank you, we'll take that into account.
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TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comments or anyone else to speak to
this application?
(Negative response).
Hearing none, I make a motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I make a motion to approve the application as
submitted.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
MR. ISRAEL: Thank you.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Number five, Jeffrey Patanjo on behalf of ANN
T. KROM requests a Wetland Permit to remove existing cement
bulkhead and replace with 97 linear feet of new vinyl bulkhead
in-place with one 35 linear foot bulkhead return and one 6
linear foot bulkhead return; raise existing height to 42" above
existing top cap elevation to match neighboring bulkhead to
west; install 225 cubic yards of clean sand fill from upland
sources behind bulkhead to replenish sand lost during storms;
install 4' wide by 10' long platform and stairs to beach supported
with 3-10" diameter CCA piles; install and perpetually maintain a
10' wide non-turf buffer along the landward edge of the bulkhead.
Located: 1296 Great Peconic Bay Boulevard, Laurel. SCTM# 1000-145-2-19
The project description that is in the agenda has been
updated and revised as of July 17th. The new project description
is the project includes removal of existing remaining bulkhead,
install 97 linear feet of proposed rip rap stone armor along
existing line of erosion landward of the mean highwater line.
Rip rap to consist of three courses, varying in size from two to
five tons, placed in three courses; provide a ten-foot wide
non-turf landward of the proposed rip rap wall.
The LWRP found this to be inconsistent. The inconsistency
was, it is recommended that the bulkhead be realigned to
coincide with annual mean highwater line to improve public
access along the foreshore; a vegetated buffer comprised of
native salt-tolerant plants required landward of the bulkhead.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support this
application.
The Trustees have been to this site a few times, most
recently on July 11th.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak regarding this
application?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: One moment, please. I would like to recuse
myself from this application.
(Trustee Nick Krupski, recused).
MR. PATANJO: Jeff Patanjo on behalf of the applicant. If you
have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: On the original project description talks
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about steps.
MR. PATANJO: Steps will not be included. Steps will be worked
out with the rip rap for a native stone-stepping platform.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: And also on the original 225 cubic yards of
fill.
MR. PATANJO: No fill will be required.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Okay. Is there anyone else here who wishes to
speak regarding this application?
(Negative response).
Any questions or comments from the Board?
(Negative response).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Motion to close this hearing.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: I make a motion to approve this application
based on the new project description as of July 17th, 2018,
therefore bringing it into compliance with the LWRP.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(Trustee Domino, aye. Trustee Bredemeyer, aye. Trustee
Goldsmith, aye. Trustee Williams, aye. Trustee Krupski,
recused).
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Number six, Jeffrey Patanjo on behalf of JOHN
& ELVIRA ALOIA requests a Wetland Permit to remove and replace
60 linear feet of existing jetty in same location as existing with new vinyl jetty.
Located: 8145 Nassau Point Road, Cutchogue. SCTM# 1000-118-4-9
The LWRP found this project to be inconsistent. The
proposed action does not comply with this policy. The existing
groin structure interrupts the long shore drift of
unconsolidated materials, sand, starving the properties to the
south. It is recommended that the structure be shortened and
lowered, low profile to normalize and improve sand movement.
The Conservation Advisory Council voted to support this
application.
There are several letters in the file regarding this
application, one letter from Ed Volini, 8625 Nassau Point Road,
not supporting the application.
Another homeowner in the area, Vincent Manago, not
supporting the application.
And another letter from Kathleen and David Kilbride
residing at 9045 Nassau Point Road, not supporting the
application.
The Trustees visited the site August 7th of 2018. We have
notes that the jetty should be dialed back to 45 feet from the
current 64 feet; needs a cross-section; new jetty needs to be
lowered and sloping down; currently five-and-a-half feet from
top of pile on bulkhead, should be lowered down one foot. All
Trustees were present.
At this point, would anybody like to speak to the
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application?
MR. PATANJO: Jeff Patanjo on behalf of the applicant. We do have
a DEC permit in hand, and I think the LWRP consistency was
resolved by way of the new proposed plan which is 18 inches
above the existing grade, which is a DEC requirement. So
therefore DEC permit in hand for the proposed 60-foot long,
18-inches above existing grade jetty, to remove and replace. The
applicant has no problems with reducing the length of it by 15
feet if that's acceptable to the Board.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Are you saying 18 inches higher?
MR. PATANJO: Lower. 18 inches above grade. So it will be
walkable over.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: The standard construction, 18-inches above
grade.
MR. PATANJO: Correct. Yes.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: As a point of clarification, we measured 64
feet, so --
MR. PATANJO: The survey said 60, so.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: My tape measure said 64.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Trustee Williams was dancing out there with
his tape measure.
MR. PATANJO: We can modify the scope to make it 45-foot long.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Okay.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Is there anybody else that wishes to speak to
this application?
I'm going to ask that you just keep to the point on your
comments and try and please keep them brief. Please state your
name for the record.
MR. KILBRIDE: Thank you. Good evening. My name is David
Kilbride 9045 Nassau Point Road. Just to let you know there are
six members of the neighborhood in attendance here this evening,
many of whom will have some comment. There is a lot of
engagement, a lot of concern about this. Is it possible to put
the Google Earth image up on the screen?
First of all, the fact that the six of us who are here plus
the seventh who wrote a letter, have a lot of concern about
this. We have spoken to the Trustees in the past about it.
Obviously the concern emanates from a high profile jetty that
has been in existence for many years. In fact the proposal
is for a low profile jetty, which coastal engineers would
suggest may mitigate some of the problems that we have
experienced certainly is a point in our favor. But I do think
you are going to hear that we want to understand what the impact
will be and how the dimensions might be determined.
The LWRP quote from Town planner Terry used the word that
the beaches to the south have been starved. I think if I had
used that world I would have been accused of being dramatic
or melodramatic, but actually that is really the case. And I
don't think that what we are asking for is to have hundreds of
feet of sugar sand beach to the south. That's not why anybody
lives on the north fork. But what's happened, you can see there
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is absolutely no sand left, really from mid-tide to high tide
now. Our house is 500 feet to the south of that jetty and there
is two feet of water against the bulkhead at high tide. Which
means there is absolutely no mitigating rocks, gravel, sand, to
absorb the energy from the waves. Every single wave is smacking
against the bulkhead, and I think that's true of most of the
people who are here who want to talk to you about it. So if a
low profile jetty is going to solve that; I think, speaking
personally, I would be all for it. I do have a question about
the length that is being discussed. I did measure it, my measure
agrees with yours. From the monogamous side of the jetty, I
think Vincent will talk about the measurements, but my
understanding is the code allows these things to be built to the
mean low water line, and on last week when we had sort of
average low tides, they were not high highs or high lows or low
lows, the measurement was in the 30 to 35 feet off the sheathing
of the bulkhead. Not 45. And certainly not 60. The plan that was
submitted showing the mean low water mark is 60 feet offshore is
actually, that's about two-and-a-half feet of water at low tide.
So that's an error. This is an important discussion. whatever is
built will have a 20 or 25-year life and, um, there is, we are
very, very concerned about the loss of protection, and so I think
there is a structure that could be built which would protect
their sand, their beach, I certainly understand their interest
in doing that, but I hope the Trustees understand that there is
seven of us who have weighed in here who are asking to protect
our interests as well.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Please approach the podium, sir.
MR. MANAGO: Bruce Manago, I live right next door to them. May I
give you these? These are photos, in fact it really matches Mr.
Patanjo's photo up there. It shows what the low water mark is,
that we are happy to hear it's going to be cut down and made low
profile. So that's no problem from our end. It's just a matter,
as we heard from Dave as to what the length will be. As you see
there, that's the 29 feet. That's the low water mark. It's not
60 feet, you know, as we see in their application. So I don't
know how we get to 45, but I think it should be some place
between 30 and 45. That's at the low water mark. Then it narrows
down to seven feet on my next door neighbor's property right
here, the Konowitz'. So that's why I think somebody should go
out and really measure it from the Board's standpoint and see
where the real low water mark is. It's certainly not 60 feet.
And it's only at 29 at the bulkhead. And that's the most we've
had in a long, long time, because, you know, the far end of the
bulkhead or of the jetty, you know, is really gone. So it has to
be something less than that, I believe. That's the only point we
wanted to make. But we are happy it's going to be shortened and
made low profile. That works for us.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Thank you. Anybody else wish to speak to the
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application?
MR. KEATING: Stanley Keating, 9275 Nassau Point Road. I didn't
write a letter because I knew I would come tonight and I did
attend the work session. My property is one of the disadvantaged
properties because of this. We purchased our property in 1991
in and around the time of the famous perfect storm and survived
that with a reasonable amount of beach and protection of the
bulkhead. And of course the situation has deteriorated over the
years. I'm just south of David Kilbride. I actually want to ask
your forbearance and endorse what Mr. Kilbride and Mr. Manago
have just said. I keep thinking that there is an accommodation
to be made here to afford us southern-standing properties some
relief and still not terribly disadvantaged with the Aloia
faction is attempting to do and has in fact done. But I'm also
certain that the lengths we are talking about, when we talk
about 60 feet, I think anything that involves low profile and
18-inches, and'I certainly would like to hear, by the way, that
defined more accurately. An 18-inch bulkhead, depends on whether
it's poison fruit sand that you are building it from, it turns
out to be a much larger bulkhead or groin than would be if you
measured it from the Manago side, for example, that's certainly
down from our side where we have no sand,just rock and wave
action is pretty impressive during the nor'easters. So without
prolonging it, I just want to add my concerns and hope you'll
take them under consideration. Thank you, very much.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Thank you. Anybody else wish to speak to the
application?
MS. DAVANI: Maria Davani. I understand the neighbors' concerns
to the south, but I just wanted to read a statement from, that I
made just about the history of this jetty/groin.
Before the Manago's and all these other people moved in,
there are people that lived there were the Grahams, the
Papora's and the Flores'. The Flores' were my next door
neighbors, where the Manago's are living now. And, um, they
were there when the groin was built. This was in the, you know,
late '50's, probably. And basically the Army Corps of Engineers
advised them they are in an erosion zone and that in order to
protect their beach fronts, they would need to build groins.
The previous owner of my parents' home, Mrs. Chute, asked the
neighbors to the south if they would like to build one together,
so that would be the Papora's and everybody else to the south.
They opted not to. So Mrs. Chute built it on her property, which
is that jetty that you are looking at now. That is the jetty
that Mrs. Chute built with some maintenance. And there was a
repair, because I guess it was in 1995, the seaward side of the
jetty was lifted out the water. So they rebuilt that whole
section over there.
So anyway, the Papora's who were the people where the
Manago's are now, they addressed their erosion in front of their
home by building a rock groin, and all the neighbors to the
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south of this groin put up bulkheading to protect their
property. This all happened nearly 60 years ago. And their
homes and their bulkheads are all still intact and selling for
millions of dollars.
I believe the neighbors, if they are being starved, are,
being starved by the enhanced rock jetty to the north of them.
If anything, my parents' groin is providing some protection to
the bulkheads to the south, as most major storms come from the
north. Everyone who lives on the bay knows the risk of damage
that can be caused by severe weather. My parents have lost their
bulkheading several times because the nor'easters hit them as
they were hitting the jetty.
I would also like to say that by caring for a part of the
jetty field to the north of the Manago's, and there are other
jetties there, or groins, whatever you want to call them, that
my parents were helping to maintain a small portion of the beach
to the south and providing some beach to the north for those who
enjoy walking along the shore and to the public access a few
steps away. Thank you.
Also, Jeff, do you want to handle this with the pictures, because,
I mean, the description of the starvation and all that other stuff,
this is 30 years of living on Nassau Point. I have been living at
that house since I'm 24 years old, and I'm 57. So I have been
walking down --yes, there has been erosion, but there has also
been other things that happened on Nassau Point.
For example, the bootlegger's house, I don't know
what their address is. But do you know what I'm talking about?
The house that's built out? That they built out, I would say
probably another two feet into the bay. So any sand that is
coming down from south is going to be slightly blocked by the
bootlegger's house. You know, yes, it's low tide is the only
time you can walk down, and we used to be able to walk down, but
I don't really believe, I mean the high profile jetty is not
something we are married to, obviously. We do want to do
whatever, you know, the code is. We didn't want to starve
anybody of sand. We are just protecting our beach front. So
basically that's all I have to say. Thank you.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Thank you. Is there anybody else that wishes
to speak to this application?
MR. CASTALDI: Bob Castaldi, 525 Nassau Point Road. I'm three
houses down from that jetty. We would like to have a little sand
down there also. I mean it's pretty obvious from that picture
what is going on. And I'm sure everybody is learning a lot. I'm
not an expert on jetties or sand, but I'm sure there has been a
lot learned over the last 60 years. And I'm sure that if it's
modified that we too can have some protection for our bulkheads,
have a little beach and also increase the property of our house,
that is we have something other than a pile of rocks in front of
it. I'll make it short. Thank you.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Thank you.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone else that wishes to step up?
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MR. KONOWITZ: Good evening, I'm Paul Konowitz, 8425 Nassau Point
Road. And I just want to, I'm here to just support the opinion
recommendations of my neighbors to the south of the jetty. I
have only owned the house for about five years, but to me when I
hear about this, and I was aware of this issue from years back
when I bought the house from the person I bought the house from,
it was controversial even a number of years ago, ten, 15 years
ago. And to me this is an issue of fairness and what the code
is. Fairness that, yes, this may have been an event that started
60 years ago, but 60 years is a long time and I think we are
dealing with the present. And I think it's only fair that the
neighbors to the south of the jetty also share in the beauty of
the sand and of the Peconic Bay. And if we are going through the
trouble of changing something, why not change it to what the
code states, to the mean low water mark, and that has been
measured out by my neighbors very clearly as you can see from
the photos. So I think I'm very happy to be here and hear the
Board is in favor of changing the jetty. I just think if we are
going to change it, we change it to what is really right for
everybody involved. Thank you.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Thank you. Is there anybody else that wishes
to speak?
MR. BERGEN: Dave Bergen, 9525 Nassau Point Road, Cutchogue.
Since some time has been spent on the history, I thought I
would help you with the history. First off, to help, I think the
bootlegger house that has been referred to is the Weiss-Kruger
house that the boathouse that comes out into the bay.
MS. DAVANI: That's what people call it.
MR. BERGEN: Yes. I just thought for record, because that's what,
those are the legal owners. It would be easier to find
them on the record than the bootlegger house.
What I have submitted here is a letter, and I actually have
the original letter right here from the State of New York from
November 4th of'63, and this letter states, this was written
from a gentleman Charles Jennings, with the Executive Department
of the Office of General Services in the State of New York. And
as you can see in the letter this was a letter that was written
because the State of New York had determined that Mrs. Chute had
built this without permission. Without their permission.
So, yes, the history goes back a very long time on this,
regarding this jetty. I would also like to stipulate, I would
like to make sure that the letters that Mr. Williams did not
read, that the Trustees have received, stipulate they are
entered into the record here tonight. No need to read them. I
just want to make sure it's stipulated they are entered into the
record here tonight.
Now, in addition to this history from 1963 --
MR. HAGAN: If I could stop you for a second. The letters that
have been submitted, are part of the record.
MR. BERGEN: Thank you. There was also a jetty to the north of
this, the Frazier jetty, that has come up in conversation, not
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here tonight, but regarding these two jetties, both of them were
reviewed by the State of New York and one of them was actually
ordered to be cut down two feet in height back in the '60s when
all this came up. So even back then there was a concern from the
State of New York about the height and length of these jetties
when they were built without permission of the State of New York.
In 2006 there was an issue with some sheathing that was
added to, I believe the south side of the jetty/groin—actually,
technically it's a groin. And also the top there was some
material put on the top of this jetty at that time. And there
was a review by the Trustees at that time to see if this was
technically re-built without a permit. And by a three to two
vote, it was not a violation issued for the work that was done
on this jetty. But it was noted that if any work had to be done
in the future, a permit had to applied for.
Then we come up to the winter of 2018 where the last
section of this jetty that had not been reinforced in the past,
succumbed to ice flow that was there.
Now, you have had pictures submitted tonight that show that
the apparent low water mark that was taken, and the date and
time of that is on those pictures, so I'll leave to it to what
is on there, shows that it's approximately 34 feet on the
Aloia's side or the north side. That is the apparent low water
mark. So the fact that the apparent low water mark on the plan
was, as I measured it out, scaling it out, excuse me, was 57.5
feet, it's actually 34. So we have quite a difference there.
When I hear the Trustees talk about the opportunity to shorten
it to 45 feet, that jetty at 45 feet, according to these -
pictures you have in front of you, would then be eleven feet
beyond the apparent low water mark into the bay, still stopping
the littoral drift of sand.
The code is very specific that it cannot extend beyond the
apparent low water mark and in 18-inch height down drift. So I
appreciate fact that the Trustees have looked at that and looked
at lowering the seaward end of that by a foot. Whether that
takes us to 18 inches, I'll leave it up to you guys to determine
that.
Also on the application page there were a couple of errors
there. On the application page saying the nearest structure is
2000 feet from the edge of the wetlands. Well, the nearest
structure is the bulkhead, which is right at the wetlands. It
also says on the application that if this application is
approved, this proposed structure would have no impact or no
effect on the wetlands. Obviously, a jetty of any length is
going to impact the wetlands. Particularly if it goes out beyond
the apparent low water mark.
So what I would propose to this group is, you have the
opportunity to postpone this hearing and maybe the parties
gather at the next field inspection at low tide and so that
everybody can take a tape measure at the same time and take a
look and see what the apparent low water mark is on that date and
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that particular date what the low tide is.
It is noted that the LWRP found this inconsistent for the
very reasons that have been stated tonight.
And the only other thing I have to say is should it
eventually be approved, I would ask as a condition of the
approval that the terminal length from whatever the mark is,
whether it's 34 feet, as I'm hoping it would be, or beyond that,
that anything terminal that would be removed, that that would be
a condition of the final permit. Thank you.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Thank you. Is there anybody else wish to
speak to this application? Mr. Patanjo?
MR. PATANJO: I have some photographs,just making reference to
mean low water. I only have four, so you'll have to share. But
dog-eared a few of these just so you can see them.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: I would like to remind that submission of,
according to the code, 275-8(c), submission of new materials may
delay the progression of the application.
MR. PATANJO: Sure, I'm fine with that. And I also have on top of
that engineering reports from the last time this was brought up.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would you reduce the size to 35 feet?
MR. PATANJO: No. We would like 45 feet. We reduced it already
from my proposed plan which is apparently inaccurate, 60 feet,
which was based on the survey and engineering report that I just
brought up to you. You said your measurement is 63 feet. We
reduced it 18 feet from the original proposal and the DEC also
approved it at the 60 feet, with the reduced height. As you see
in the photos that I provided, everybody knows mean low and mean
high water vary over time. There is a mean low low, there is a
mean high high. There's multiple elevations of water. Water
elevations vary. This time of year, water elevations are a
little higher than normal. So 34 feet would be in fact correct.
If they said 34 feet. Which I'm not disputing at all. I was not
out there to take the measurements. The photos that you see in,
that I dog-eared, 1954, whatever it was --
UNIDENTIFIED VOICE: No, 1994.
MR. PATANJO: 1994, same thing. That was, you look at the piles
there, it's about 12 feet back from the end of the proposed,
existing jetty. So we are reducing it by 15 feet. Also, the
second on the last page that I dog-eared in the photos, that was
most recent, 2017, 1 believe, you can see the location of the
mean low water in approximate relation to where we are going. We
are looking right now, based on the photographs, the
photographic evidence, is proof that we are going at the mean
low water elevation, and also reducing our proposal to 18 feet
less than what was requested. And I might add also we have the
DEC permit. They do some evaluations on this as well.
The other piece of documentation that I provided was an
engineering report by a New York State licensed PE, dated April
20th, 2004, which is now part of the record. That states right
on the opening page of that engineering report, it's the first
letter that I provided, that the constructed and maintained
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Aloia groin does not cause erosion of the Manago beach property.
Removal of the Aloia groin reported, (a), new erosion undermining
of the Aloia property, and, (b), additional erosion of the Manago
beach. So I'm not going to go read all of the statements in
here, but judging from the PE certified, stamped, signed and
sealed documentation of this waterfront property, they are
saying that it's going to cause additional erosion. If you look
at all the jetties there, only the properties with jetties have
sand. It's understood, we all know that. The Manago's and maybe
the ones to the south do in fact have jetties. Manago's have a
stone jetty, which was built up over the years, not,doing an
adequate job. And I believe, as Maria had mentioned, you know,
the Army Corps had suggested everybody build jetties to protect
their beach. So I feel we are meeting all the requirements and
of not only the Trustees, the DEC and the code by the proposal
and the modification of scope, which is 18 inches above grade,
which is reducing the length of it by 18 feet and meeting all
required codes.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: We are not normally in a habit of debating the
expediters. I want to point out again, I said submission of
materials is frowned upon after less than seven days before the
hearing. And there is a reason for that. Because it's not fair
to this Board, nor the people who oppose this application, to
receive something like this and be expected to digest it in five
minutes. I mean, I looked through this briefly, and I have to
tell you, looking at that photograph, I'm rather annoyed that
someone would write that construction of a groin does not cause
erosion on the beaches. It's not substantiated. I also want to
mention that if someone goes to the beach on August 8th and
measures the low tide, that does not constitute mean low tide.
Nor if we go next month and measure the tide. If you want to
hinge everything on whether or not this is, where the mean low
water line is, we'll have to do an in-depth study to determine
the mean value. Having said that, I support shortening this
groin/jetty to approximately 40 feet, and lowering it. I think
it will protect the people to the north and provide some relief
to all the properties to the south. That's my statement.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Anybody else wish to speak to this
application? Mr. Bergen?
MR. BERGEN: I believe the code as of a few years ago used the
term apparent low water. Not mean low water. Unless that code
is changed, that's what it is, is apparent low water. So that's
what I would encourage the Board to go by, is apparent low water
rather than mean low water. It takes out the opportunity to have
to go back 17 years and see what the data is.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Thank you. Any other questions from the Board?
(Negative response).
MR. PATANJO: I would just like to point out apparent low water
would be the average over the seasons. If that, if I'm not
incorrect on that. So what season do we actually look at low
water elevations for this application? If this application is
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presented in winter, apparent low water would be a little
further out than during summer. I just want to add that for the
record.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Any other questions from the Board?
(Negative response).
At this point I make a motion to close the public hearing.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: I make a motion to approve a 40-foot vinyl
jetty commencing one foot lower at the bulkhead than the
existing jetty, to continue seaward at a downward slope, not to
be level, and at no point greater than 18-inches above grade.
That's my motion.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Motion made and seconded. All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Thank you, very much.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Number seven, Jeffrey Patanjo on behalf of BRETT
VREILLY requests a Wetland Permit to remove existing bulkhead
and construct new 164 linear feet of vinyl bulkhead in-place;
install and perpetually maintain a 10'wide non-turf buffer
along the landward edge of the bulkhead; remove and replace
existing 4'x4' steps to beach in similar location as existing;
remove and replace decking on existing 6'x33' fixed dock using
un-treated decking material; extend existing fixed dock at
seaward end by constructing a proposed 4'x30'fixed dock using
un-treated decking material; remove existing adjustable ramp and
floating dock, and install a proposed 30"x14' aluminum
adjustable ramp and a 5'x24' floating dock situated in an "I"
configuration and supported by two (2) 10" diameter piles; and
install four(4) 10" diameter tie-off piles (two tie-off piles
along each side) adjacent to proposed floating dock.
Located: 505 Lighthouse Lane, Southold. SCTM# 1000-70-6-29.1
The Trustees did their most recent field inspection of this
property on August 7th, and all Trustees were present and noted
that the bulkhead was destroyed. It is straightforward. The dock
exceeds the pier line by 24 feet and must be reconfigured to
conform to code.
The LWRP coordinator found this to be inconsistent. The
inconsistency arises from the following facts: The existing dock
received wetland permit 5898 in 2004, and it was modified in
2008 in its current configuration; the conditions of the permit
requires the float to be reduced to six foot by 20 foot, and it
was not; the existing dock measured 58 feet in length and has a
mean low water ranging from 2.13 feet to 2.26 feet; water depth
in 2004 was shown 2.6; the pier line shown uses the dock that
LWRP coordinator could not locate a permit for on Suffolk County
tax map SCTM# 1000-70-6.28. That's to the west. This dock
should not be considered. A representative vessel is not shown;
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application does not discuss potential impacts to water quality
and impact on turbidity.
The Conservation Advisory Council resolved to support the
application with a ten-foot buffer.
Is there anyone here to speak to this application?
MR. PATANJO: Jeff Patanjo on behalf of the applicant. I was
trying to absorb all of those, as always. The bulkhead is a
straightforward removal and replacement. That's clean. The steps
to the beach off of the existing fixed dock, that doesn't seem
to be an issue. I think the depth, the length of the existing
dock, one of the questions was not showing the boat. I can add
that through the proposed plans, with an amendment. That's not
an issue. We do have 461 feet in one direction to the opposite
shoreline. 621 feet in the other direction. So there is no
impedence to any navigable waterways. The existing, the line of
projection as indicated on my plan has it within whatever is
existing there. If you look to the dock, to the direction to the
left, which is probably south, the dock io the south, that is an
existing dock. It has a really big floating dock on it. The new
one, which is fairly new, if you are looking at the water to the
right, to the north, that, if I'm correct, is fairly new. So
I'm a little perplexed as to why there is no permits for that
one.
So what we did is we did the projection of line in
accordance with the coding to docks that meet this sufficient
water depth as required by New York State DEC code, which is 30
inches of water at low tide at a minimum. The one dock directly
to the left is, which is tucked back quite a bit, it sees mean
low water at times, from what I have been told. There is not
sufficient water depth on that dock. So lif they came in for a
new application, they would probably be proposing to go out the
same distance as this dock would be iri line, if you looked at
Google Earth with the other ones in the area. So we what we are
looking for is not overly beyond the limits and approvability of
the Board as far as alignment with projection outside. We do
meet the one-third waterway width rule! We do meet the water
depth rule. And we are in alignment with functional docks that
happen to be in existence at the time.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Is there anyone else here to speak to this
application?
(Negative response).
Comments from the Board?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I was just looking at the aerials and I looked
at some of the work you submitted, and as we discussed in prior
hearings, and I don't know if you were present or not, but the
pier line is not necessarily a straight line.
MR. PATANJO: It's along the shoreline that is created.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So by my calculations, the maximum you could
go out would be quite a bit less than the applied-for application.
MR. PATANJO: Based on what you have just mentioned with the pier
line, and I have done this a couple of times with pier lines as
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far as shorelines, offsetting shorelines, different colors,
pretty pictures. With this, in looking at it now, I'm going to
tend to agree with you. And looking at it, at a maximum, I would
say if you did turn that pier line and bend it in a little bit
we can shorten this up by ten feet, which would still give us
adequate water depth at mean low water, which is required. It
will still meet all the conditions and still meet the
applicant's requirements for water depth for his boat.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: It's certainly fairly quiet in the north in
the winter for the float to be housed. What about orientation in
a "T" or an "L"?
MR. PATANJO: He's looking for an "I"for friends to come over,
in terms of, not for full-time storage. That's the added,
because of the size of the boat, and it does get beat up over
there a little bit, he's looking for tie off piles to protect
his investment, protect the docks, tie-offs would make it nice.
So the add on on the side is friends. He has a lot of friends.
What do you mean me to tell you.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: If it was a friend that dropped a jet ski
float off it should disappear because you have a limitation of
120 square feet. So total square footage --
MR. PATANJO: Jet ski float? I set the stakes. There is no jet
ski float.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Didn't I see a jet ski float?
MR. PATANJO: He just bought the property about three months ago.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So a little education for your client might be,
there is a monster float that is not to code.
MR. PATANJO: That was not there when I was there.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: For the record --
MR. PATANJO: I used that kayak there, for the record.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: For the record, the pier line is established by
the adjacent docks, irrespective of the water depth, which is
immaterial to this discussion. The pier line is drawn from the
dock which is to the west. And the dock to the east of this
proposed dock ends almost exactly at the foot of the existing
ramp. Maybe a foot further. So that if you were to turn the
float from the existing "I" configuration to a "T"
configuration, maybe cut the ramp back a foot or so, you would
maintain the pier line and at the same time the water depths
that you show would be 2.8 feet and three feet on the outward,
seaward end of the float.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: It's conceivable that will also allow access
to both sides with the visiting friends who will come and pick
up their jet skis.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Assistant Town Attorney Damon Hagan also
reminded me, I didn't refer to the fact, as previously said, the
coast is not straight and the pier line will follow that, making
it further back than what I articulated. The point I'm trying to
make is that you can turn that float and maintain the pier line.
Or you can construct a fixed dock that is 24 feet shorter than
what you are proposing, maintain the pier line and still have
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sufficient water depth. Perhaps Trustee Krupski would like to
elaborate.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I basically just echo those points. That's
definitely several options that will still get you the water
depth and allow us to grant the dock within the construct of the
code.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: As Trustee Bredemeyer stated, if they
configured it in an "L" configuration, you can still invite
friends over and they can dock their boats and the terminal end
would still be within the pier line at sufficient depth and
still give you the ability to dock more than one boat.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: To add another option to the mix, obviously
the 120 square foot maximum could be redefined to include a
narrower floating catwalk adjacent to the jet ski float, if
that's approved.
MR. PATANJO: One of the things I want to add is, I understand
that the projection of the neighboring docks, I understand that,
we have been through that, it's code. I want to say it's a
little antiquated, the fact of the DEC requirements as far as
water depth requirements. The DEC requires now 30 inches of
water.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: You can stop right there. Because we are not
compelled to honor that.
MR. PATANJO: Correct.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think there is a way to put this dock in at the
proper depth to satisfy both the DEC and the Town. I know there is a way.
MR. PATANJO: Can we adjourn?
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do you wish to table this application?
MR. PATANJO: Table it, please.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: At the applicant's request, I make a motion to
table this application.
TRUSTEE WILLIAMS: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: The next application, number eight, Jeffrey
Patanjo on behalf of JANET VAN ADELSBERG requests a Wetland
Permit to remove existing 4'x68'fixed catwalk; construct new
4'x48' fixed catwalk using Thru-Flow decking and supported with
8" diameter CCA piles; install a proposed 3'x16' aluminum ramp;
and install a proposed 6'x20' floating dock situated in an "I"
configuration, using un-treated timber decking and supported by
four (4) 10" diameter piles; and to install 3"x10" cross braces to support
the floating dock a minimum of 30" above bottom at all times.
Located: 4297 Wells Road, Peconic. SCTM# 1000-86-1-9.5
This application is deemed to be exempt by the LWRP coordinator.
The Conservation Advisory Council has resolved to support
the application.
The Trustees' inspection on August 7th, the Board has
specific concerns about this dock, that is basically a terminus
to the creek, the headwaters of the creek, where there are no
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adjacent floats, and then the water depth, the Board feels the
water depth is insufficient to have a float without damaging the
bottom. The Board recommends leaving the eight-inch existing
piles, lowering the deck to go into through-flow as a modified,
so it would be possibly safer for entrance on the walk. And no float.
Is there anyone here who wishes to speak to this application?
MR. PATANJO: Jeff Patanjo on behalf of the applicant. I see two
docks across the street, so it's kind of normal to have docks
here. The applicant asked if you can you please make it a
condition to any approval if it is so granted that this is for
kayak use only. Elderly folk own the house. Hopefully they are
not here and offended, but they are looking for easy access to
the water for kayaks. They do not own a boat.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Okay, thank you, very much. Anyone else wish
to speak to this application?
(Negative response).
It would seem that we are all, probably all swimming upstream
together on this application. If lowering, it's one of those
places travelers go. It's very narrow, it's the last going to
headwaters. It would seem with thru-flow, to lower this as
much as permissible for the safety of the owners and possibly
install a step with thru-flow or some means to them closer to
the water for that kayak launching, if they want to launch
kayaks correctly into the water off the stepping.
MR. PATANJO: Hold on. Let's back up. I still want the proposal
for the floating dock so at high tide -- are you talking about
steps and thru-flow? The whole dock is proposed as thru-flow already.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: I don't believe --the temperament of the
Board on this application, both in discussions in the work
session and in the field is that it's not an appropriate area,
and we would work with you, as the applicant has the onus,
particularly looking for kayaks, to come up with an alternative.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: In the past, Trustee Bredemeyer and I think
Trustee Domino had suggested leaving like a lower section of
dock so you can thru-flow you can bring it way down, is it's
just as good if not better than a float with much less impact to
the environment. And no bottom coverage. The other option might
be, as you were saying, a set of steps with the width to be determined.
MR. PATANJO: That would be my concern is the width. A four-foot
dock, even though it's fixed, is not really that wide for
somebody to launch a kayak. It's quite narrow. The problem that
lies with that would be the width of it at the terminus at water
side is the DEC Army Corps of Engineers, New York State
Department of State, all their requirements are maximum four
feet wide. They would have an issue if we went to a wider dock
down at the bottom. They don't allow platforms such as that. So
it would need to be a floating dock, which is typical, because
we are going to include the cross braces on the floating dock,
which pretty much acts like what you are looking for. I would
say right now, I thought about it and I thought it was silly,
but if we added thru-flow decking to a floating dock, it
I
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serves no purpose. This float is underneath the floating dock,
so it's not going to do anything. At all, at low tides, the
proposed plan is to maintain 30 inches off the bottom at low
tide, which meets the conditions of, don't matter, but the DEC,
and also protects the bottom, which is all murky, mud. I sunk
in. It protects, it's environmentally friendly, it's not any
more intrusion, it may be even less intrusion with piles being
inserted to the ground than an actual dock because it's two less piles.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Well, you look at the adjacent docks across
the creek there and they do have an "L" configuration to them.
So you might want to consider this having an "L" configuration
along with thru-flow with a lowered section, as opposed to
the main deck, which could substitute for your floating dock,
give you the lower depth for the elderly people to launch their
kayak at a more reasonable height.
MR. PATANJO: You are saying a fixed "L".
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Which is what almost every single dock in the
near vicinity has. That was a decision by past Boards to
maintain this area as it is the headwaters to the creek and
somewhat of a crucial environment.
MR. PATANJO: If we did a fixed "L"would it be amenable to the
Board to put the fixed "L", if you look at my plan, along that
six-foot wide section where I'm showing it, the six-foot
projection out into the waterway? I need to obviously make
resubmissions to the DEC, they may have an issue with this. I
don't know.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: We are a little confused. If you would
approach the dais and show us on the plan.
MR. PATANJO: You are talking, see the six foot there, if you want
to put the "T", we can line up with the outside of that deck through here.
With the fixed portion being lower a couple steps down to that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes, I think that's best.
MR. PATANJO: I like that.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: You are going to extend this?
MR. PATANJO: Yes, that will extend out a couple of steps down to
the six-foot portion.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Okay, so new plans consistent with that.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So how do you want to move forward here.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: A diagram was brought to the dais. You
have to follow up with a set of plans indicating that there
would be a "T" configuration that would extend no further
seaward than the seaward end of the float, and that the
applicant has offered to provide plans consistent with that.
Any questions concerning that?
MR. PATANJO: And thru-flow decking on that portion?
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Yes, thru-flow decking on the portions.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So we are going no further out than the current--
MR. PATANJO: No further out than the plan, the proposed end of
the floating dock which is six foot seaward than the existing end of the dock.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Any additional questions or concerns?
Board of Trustees 43 August 15, 2018
(Negative response).
Hearing none, I'll make a motion to close the hearing.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: I would make a motion to approve this dock
with the stipulation of submission of new plans showing the
aforementioned through-throw going no further seaward than the
proposed seaward limit as proposed on the submitted plans to the
float; the action being supported by the Conservation Advisory
Council and is exempt under the LWRP.
TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: And all fixed.
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: Yes. All fixed configuration.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Motion made and seconded. All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Motion to adjourn
TRUSTEE BREDEMEYER: So moved.
TRUSTEE GOLDSMITH: Second.
TRUSTEE DOMINO: Motion made and second to adjourn. All in favor?
(ALL AYES).
Respectfully submitted by,
Michael J. Domino, President
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