HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB-09/21/1993SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
SEPTEMBER 21, 1993
WORK SESSION
Present: Supervisor Scott L. Harris, Justice Raymond W. Edwards, Councilman
George L. Penny IV, Councilman Thomas H. Wickham, Councilman Joseph J.
Lizewski, Councilwoman Alice J. Hussie, Town Clerk Judith T. Terry, Town
Attorney Harvey A. Arnoff, Assistant Town Attorney Matthew G. Kiernan.
9:50 A.M. The Town Board held a hearing in the matter of a violation of Chapter
90 of the Code of the Town of Southold, Unsafe Buildings, by Richard and Dolores
Principi'.
10:00 A.M. - Justice Raymond W. Edwards made a presentation to the Town Board
offer~ing a cost saving proposal for a new 911 circuit to service Fishers Island, at
a cost not to exceed $2,000 (see resolution no. 25), which would include a radio link
installed in Southold, with antenna and hardline coax cable. Supervisor Harris
commended Justice Edwards for working out the proposal which will save at least
$1,500 per month in Vital Connection and AT&T charges once the service is in place.
10:15 A.M. - For Discussion Items: (1) Proposed Local Law in Relation to Ethics
prepared by Town Attorney Arnoff. Councilman Wickham stated that this i.s word
for word the Southampton law, and is this the one the board wants. Sul~ervisor
Harris said that it is being presented for review by the Town Board, who should
submit comments, changes or modifications to Town Attorney Arnoff. Councilman
Wickham said he doesn't think soliciting comments from the Town Board is the right
way, but rather it should be handled by a committee, and advise should be sought
from Southold Town people. Town Attorney Arnoff said he would like comments from
the Town Board, and perhaps a work session could be set up solely for the purpose
of review the proposed ethics law. (2) Appointment of a chairman of the
Stewardship Task Force will be held for the Board's appointment with Tom Samuels
at 10:35 A.M. (3) Appointment of a Building Inspector was held for Executive
Session at 11:45 A.M. (4) Discussion was held with regard to the change of zone
petition of William F. Gasser, American Armoured Foundation, Inc. The Town Board
agreed that if the tower is moved about at least 100 feet, and Mr. Gasser agrees
to ex.ecute a Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions, the petition should be
granted (see resolution no. 26).
10:35 A.M. Members of the Stewardship Task Force - Thomas C. Samuels, Ann
Lowry, Michael Zwieg, and Greg Palast met with the Town Board to present and
discuss their proposed town-wide survey, after which the Board authorized the
expenditure of funds for printing and mailing (see resolution no. 27). Mr. Samuels
was asked if he would accept the chairmanship of the task force, and he stated his
willingness. A resolution (no. 28) was placed on the agenda to make the
appointment.
11:20 A.M. - For Discussion Items continued: (5) Proposal from the Village of
Greenport to open the East-West Fire Protection District contract and amend it with
'an extension of three additional years. The Board agreed they are not interested
in extending the contract at this time. They have already adopted a resolution
pledging to participate in the Firemen's Service Awards Program by maintaining 46%
of the annual cost of the program. (6) Councilwoman Hussie requested an allocation
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not to exceed $200.00, for printing 1,000 Summary of Land Use Charts. The Board
agreed, with the exception of Councilman Penny, who said he could not approve
something he has not seen. The other membe'rs agreed that if the chart is submitted
to the Town Attorney after referral to the Planning Board, Board of Appeals and
Building Department, they would not have a problem (see resolution no. 29).
EXECUTIVE SESSION
11:45 A.M. - On motion of Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Justice Edwards, it
was Resolved that the Town Board enter into Executive Session to discuss litigation
and personnel. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Supervisor Harris, Justice Edwards,
Councilman Penny, Councilman Wickham, Councilman Lizewski, Councilwoman Hussie.
Also present: Town Clerk Terry~ ~:-own Attorney Arnoff, Assistant Town Attorney
Kiernan.
12:25 P.M. - Work Session resumed. Assistant Town Attorney Kiernan advised the
Town Board that after research into the question of placing a referendum on the
ballot for the General Election as to whether the residents of Southold Town wish
to buy garbage bags or pa), for trucking garbage out of town through their taxes,
he finds that such a referendum would not be legal. The question is a Town Board
decision. Supervisor Harris stated he is deeply disappointed the people won't have
the opportunity to make the decision.
12:40 P.M.· - Town Board reviewed the resolutions to be voted on at the 7:30 P.M.
Regular meeting. Resolution No. 9 with regard to display ads seeking proposals for
the transfer and disposition of municipal solid waste: Councilwoman Hussie stated
she is miffed. The specifications for the proposals were not completed until
Thursday afternoon and she did not see them. Councilman Wickham said he was
annoyed about a press conference that was held by Councilwoman Hussie recently,
and he was not informed about it.---The Town Board then discussed the prices to
be charged for Town Garbage Bags (see resolution no. 30), and increase in the
landfill tipping fee from $.03 to $.035 (see resolution no. 31). A fax was received
from Planning Board Chairman Richard Ward requesting the Town Board's
authorization for Senior Planner Valerie Scopaz to attend a conference (see resolution
no.. 32).
1:50 P.M. - Work Session adiourned.
REGULAR MEETING
A Re~lular Meeting of the Southold Town Board was held on Tuesday, September
21, 1993, at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold~'- New York. Supervisor
Harris opened the meeting at 4:00 P.M., with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
Present: Supervisor Scott L. Harris
Councilman George L. Penny IV
Councilman Thomas H. Wickham
Councilman Joseph J. Lizewski
Councilwoman Alice J. Hussie
Town Clerk Judith T. Terry
Town Attorney Harvey A. Arnoff
Absent: Justice Raymond W. Edwards
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: I need a motion to approve the audit of the bills from
September 21, 1993.
Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Councilman Lizewski, it was
RESOLVED that the followin9 bills be and' hereby ordered paid: General Fund Whole
Town bills in the amount of $120,813.86; General Fund Part Town bills in the
amount of $66,219.42; Nutrition Fund bills in the amount of $1,443.05; Adult Day
Care bills in the amount of $248.12; SNAP Program bills in the amount of $4,505.58;
EISEP Program bills in the amount of $95.40; Community Development Fund bills
in the amount of $9,500;00; Highway Fund Whole Town bills in the amount of
$53,995.88; Highway Fund Part Town bills in the amount of $27,935.42; Human
Resource,Center bills in the amount of $642,389.50; Employee Health Benefit Plan
bills in the amount of $12,230.19; Fishers Island Ferry District bills in the amount
of $30,762.25; Southold Wastewater District bills in the amount of $20,724.99;Fishers,
Island Sewer District bills in the amount of $289.92; Fishers Island' Ferry District
Agency & Trust bills in the amount of $829.08.
Vote of the Town' Board: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman
Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: I need a motion to approve the minutes of September 8,
1993.
Moved by Councilwoman Lizewski, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the September 8, 1993, regular Town Board meetin~
be and hereby approved,
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski~
Counci'lman Penny, Supervisor Harris. Abstain: Councilman Wickham.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: I need a motion to approve the Town Board meeting from
October 5, 1993, at 4:00 P.M.
Moved by Councilman Wickham, seconded by Councilman Lizewski, it was
RESOLVED that the next rec~ular meetin~ of the Southold Town Board will be at
4:00 PoM., Tuesday, October 5, 1993, at the Southold Town Hall, Southold, New
York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Justice Edwards can not be with us tonight, He has a
Emergency Drill, which he has to participate in on Fishers Island, and in Connecticut
tomorrow morning at 7:00 o'clock, and the Judge sends along his greetings, and
hopes to see you at the next Board meeting. At this time it gives me great honor
to make a presentation to our volunteer Firemen in the great town of Southold for
their efforts, and to recognize October 3rd through the 9th,. 1993, as Fire Preven-
tiori Week in the Town of Southold, and with us tonight we have representatives
from all the various fire departments throughout our great Township, and gentlemen,
if you would come forward, or a spokesperson, representative, I'll be glad to
present you with this proclamation. I'd like to read this proclamation for you.
Moved by Supervisor Harris, seconded by The Entire Town Board,
WHEREAS, more than 4,000 people die from fire every year in the United States;
and
WHEREAS, some80% of all U.S. fire deaths occur in our homes; and
WHEREAS, planning ahead and practicing a fire escape plan can greatly enhance
our ability to get out unharmed; and
WHEREAS, every escape plan should include knowing two ways out of each room
and having a meeting place outside; and
WHEREAS, fire escape plans should be developed and drills practiced at home, at
work and at school, with participation by all occupants; and
WHEREAS, everyone should know that once they are safely outside, they must not
re-enter, the burning buiid.Jng;
WHEREAS, everyone should know that if they must escape through smoke, they
should crawl Iow, under the smoke, keeping their head about 12-24 inches (30-60
cra) off the floor; and
WHEREAS, the FIRE SERVICE OF SOUTHOLD TOWN is dedicated to the safety of
life and property from the devastating effects of fire; and
WHEREAS, those members of the fire service are joined by other concerned citizens
of this town, as well as business, schools, service clubs and organizations in their
fire safety efforts; and
WHEREAS, the local efforts of the fire service are supported by the activities of
organizations s'uch as the American Burn Association, the American Red Cross, the
Congressional Fire Services Institute, the Fire Marshalls Association of North America,
the International Association of Arson Investigators, International Association of Black
Professional Fire Fighters, the International Association of Black Professional Fire
Fighters, the International Association of Fire Chiefs, the International Association
of Fire Fighters, the International Society of Fire Service Instructors, the National
Association of State Fire Marshalls, the National Fire Protection Association, the
Nat.ional Volunteer Fire Council, and the United StatesFire Administration; now,
therefore, be' it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby proclaim the week
of October 3-9, 1993, as FIRE PREVENTION WEEK. This week commemorates the
great Chicago Fire of 1871, which killed 250 persons, left I00,000 homeless and
destroyed more than 17,400 buildings; and be it further
RESOLVED, that the Town Board calls upon the people of Southold Town to particpate
in fire prevention activities at home, work and school, and to heed the message:
"Get Out, Stay Out! Your Fire Safe Response" as the 1993 Fire Prevention Week
theme suggests.
DATED: September 21, 1993.
Vote of the Town Board: Cou.~cilwoman.Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman
Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This re~olution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Gentlemen, on behalf of the Southold Town, we're dedicated
to your volunteer and your service that you give on a daily basis to protect the
lives of each and everyone of us, and congratulations, not only by myself, but this
Board to recognize your unselfishness in these needs and endeavors, and this
proclamation commemorates that as well as Fire Safety Week. Congratulations to
each and everyone of you, as well as your departments. Would anyone like to say
anything at this time?
JOE JAHELKA: I would like to make a comment. Joe Jahelka. I'm the Chairman
of the Operation Edith Committee for the Suffolk County Fire Safety Educator's
Association, and we're doing this Countywide, getting proclamations from the various
Supervisors signifying Fire Prevention Week, and spreading the message of getting
out, and saving lives.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Also, at this time, it gives me great pleasure to give Certifi-
cates of Appreciation to individuals in our Town, who give beyond the norm when
it come to services, and this case the Southold Town Garden Club. Would those
members who are here, please come forward? The following individuals have given
of themselves to care of our garden, which belongs to the people of the Town of
Southold behind Town Hall. These people give tireless effort when it comes to
maintaining that flower bed throughout the season, even in years of drought, which
we had of course this summer. They were there maintaining the flowers, making
sure they were healthy, an~J that they watered, and the little appreciation, that
is given f~,r individuals such as yourselves, who give on a daily basis to keep it
nice, and make it beautiful for everyone to enjoy, and I thought it would be appro-
priate to give you a certificate to show in a small way our thanks for all your time
that you give. Jean Mirchel is the Chairman of the garden behind Town Hall, and
she has not been able to join tonight, however I will give that to, maybe, Bill to
hold on to. Also, Mildred Cullen, this is for you. Congratulations, thank you very
much. Marilyn Weaver, also, could not come tonight, but if you would, please,
make sure she is presented with that. Lois Golder, this is for you. This is your
own to hold on to. Alice Dart, this is for you. Congratulations. Thank you, and
last but not least, Bill Golder, our own pharmacist from Southold, many years, and
Bill, as a honorary member
BILL GOLDER: I'm the guy that does all the staking. In fact you got me started
with tomato plants.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Again, we're deeply indebted for the service that you provide
to the people of Southold, and our grounds for keeping it beautiful, and please
keep up the great work. It realiy does show. Have a nice evening.
I. REPORTS.
1. Southold Town Scavenger Waste Treatment Facility Monthly Report for
August, 1993.
2. Southold Town Community Development Monthly Report for August, I993.
3. Southold Town Trustees Monthly Report for August, 1993.
4. Southold Wastewater Disposal District Statement of Expenses and Questioned
Costs from January 1, 1993 to December 31, 1993.
5. Southold Town Police Department Monthly Report for August, 1992.
6. Councilmen's Reports.
7. Supervisor's Report.
I1. PUBLIC NOTICES. None.
III. COMMUNICATIONS.
1. Jordan Cohen, M.D., Dean, School of Medicine, State University of New
York at Stony Brook, with thanks for the cooperation and recognition of the need
for the trauma initiative.
IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS.
I. 8:00 P.M. on a proposed "Local Law in Relation to Parking."
V. RESOLUTIONS.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: At this time, we'll recognize those members of the audience
who would like to address this Board on resolutions we'll be acting upon in the
next few minutes. Is there anyone who would like to address this Board on any
resolution?
ED SIEGMANN: I just have one question, Mr. Chairman. Ed Siegmann. What
is the amount of money involved in that Number 8, the Matt-A-Marr?
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Approximately $1,600.00.
ED SIEGMANN: Thank you.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: You're welcome. Hearing no on else, at'this time we'll
start the resolutions of the evening, excepting a bid from Kreiger Weel and Pump
for the installation of a well and submersible pump at the newly dedicated Robert
W. Tasker Memorial Park.
1.-Moved by Supervisor Harris, seconded by Councilman Penny, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts the bid
of Kreicjer Well & Pump Corp., Mattituck, New York, in the amount of $6,270.00,
for the installation of a well and submersible pump at the Robert W. Tasker Memorial
Park, Peconic Lane, Peconic, all in accordance with the bid specifications.
1.-Vote of the Town Board: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman
Wickham; Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
2.-Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded, by Councilman Lizewski, it was
RESOLVED that the Town E~oard of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
closure of Case's Lane, Cutchogue, between the Village Green and the Library,
between 9:00 A.M. and 5:30 P.M. on Saturday, October 2, 1993, as a safety pre-
caution during the annual Harvest Festival being hold by the Mattituck Lioness Club
on the Cutchogue Village Green, Main Road, Cutchogue, provided they file with
the Town Clerk a One Million Dollar Certificate of Liability Insurance naming the
Town of Southold as an additional insured.
2.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: :Councilwoman~ Hussie, Councilman LiZewski,.,Councilman
Wickham, Councilman Penn)f, Supervisor Harris.
Th:;s reso!utio.q was declared duly ADOPTED.
3.-Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Supervisor Harris, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
fo owin~l budcjet modification, to the General Fund - Whole Town 1993 Budget to
appropriate Youth Board donated funds for sound system rental for the Band Show
at the Recreation Center:
To:
Revenues:
A2705 Gifts & Donations $ 150.00
Appropriations:
A7310.4 Youth Board, Contractual Expenses $ 150.00
3.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes.:, Councilwoman Hussie~,~bzJncilman Lizewski-,C0uncilman
Wickhai~, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
4.-Moved by Councilman Pen. ny, seconded by Councilman Lizewski, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and
directs Supervisor Scott L. Harris to execute an Indemnification Agreement between
the Town of Southold, Office for Women, and Women's Outreach Network, Inc. for
a Mammography Program to be conducted in the Women's Outreach Network, Inc.
van on Town of Southold premises on November 12, 1993, provided they file with
the Town Clerk a One Million Dollar Certificate of Liability Insurance naming the
Town of Southold as an additional insured; agreement subject to the approval of
the Town Attorney.
4.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie,Councilman Li~.ew~ki,Councilman
Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
5.-Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Supervisor Harris, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby c~rants Barbara.
A. Gibaldi, Clerk Typist for the Justice Court, a maternity leave-of-absence from
January I, 1994 through April 1, 1994.
5.-Vote of the Town Board: A),es:Councilwoman Hussie,Councilman Lize~vski,Councilman
Wickham, Councilma~ Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
6.-Moved by Councilman Wickham, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie,
WHEREAS, there has been presented to the Town Baord of the Town of Southold
a proposed Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in Relation to Parking Permits"; now,
therefore, be it
RESOLVED that the Town Baord hereby sets 4:30 P.M., Tuesday, October 5, 1993,
Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, as time and place for a public
hearing in relation to the aforesaid Local Law, which reads as follows:
A Local Law in Relation to Parking Permits
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
I. Chapter 65 (Parking at Beaches) of the Code of the Town of Southold
is hereby amended as follows:
1. Section 65-2.A. [Designation of parking areas requiring permits.)
is hereby amended by adding the following:
(16)Parker's Landinc~ Road, Peconic, from the guardrail at the
easterly terminus westerly to Indian Neck Lane. .
11. This Law shall take effect upon its filing with the Secretary of State.
6.-Vote of the Town Board: Ay, es;Councilwoman. Hussie,Councilman-.Lizewsi,Cou~cilman
Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
7.-Moved by Supervisor Harris, seocnded by Councilman Penny, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes Town
Justice Raymond W. Edwards to attend Justice Training School at Rochester, New
York, on October 10, 11, 12, 1993, and the necessary expenses for registration,
meals, lodging and travel shall be a legal charge against the Town Justice 1993
Budget.
7.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, ~Councilman L'izewski, Councilman
Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared du~y ADOPTED.
8.-Moved by Councilman Penny, seconded by Councilman Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes l~he
payment of $1,675.26 to Matt-A-Mar, Inc. in payment of a Judgement in the -~
Matt-A-Mar, lnc, v. Town of Southold lawsuit which annulled the decision of the
Zoning Board of Appeals under Appeal No. 3829, and reinstated and confirmed
Building Permit No. 17508-Z, dated October 6, 1988; said charge to be made to
B.1420.4, Town Attorney, Contratual Expenses.
8.-Vote of the Town Board:Ayes: Councilwoman.,H. ussie, Councilman Lizewski, Councilman
Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
9.-Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Councilman Penny, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
expenditure of the necessary funds to place display ads in the following newspapers
soliciting proposals for the transfer and disposition of municipal solid waste ~Tor the
period from October 9, 1993 to April 9, 1994; Suffolk Times: 1/4 page; News~Review:
1/4 page; Traveler-Watchman: 1/8 page; Newsday: classified section.
9.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Lizewski, Councilman Penny, Supervisor
Harris. Abstain: Councilwoman Hussie. No: Councilman Wickham.
This resolution was declared LOST.
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: I abstain, and I want to do an explanation. We had
a bit of a discussion about this this afternoon, and I seem to be overridden by
some loud words, which ! really didn't like. I didn't like the way this whole thing
was done. It included after the [act, that the concern with C&D. I just am not
happy with this. At the same time, I realize these newspapers have to paid, so
I'm just staying out of it.
COUNCILMAN WICKHAM.' I'm voting against this, and I'd like to tell you why. Over
one mo'nth ago, when the October 9th deadline became clear, I've been trying to
get the Board to bid out the disposal of our garbage. At the September 10th meeting
of the Board on the garbage issue I thought my point was accepted, that we would
bid out, both the immediate, and the long term disposal of garbage. But, following
last minute telephone calls, not in a open- session, the other members of the Board
took out the advertisements in the local papers last week. These advertisements
do not commit us to bidding out our garbage. They merely solicit proposals. Moreover
they were printed with wrong numbers, and with the response date due of y~esterday
afternoon, only four days, two of them over the weekend. This is not a bid offering.
This is a travesty. In discussions today and earlier the Board has attempte~l justify
it's actions as an emergency measure. I submit that in an emergency does not exist,
that any pressure of the coming deadline is self-imposed hardship due to procrasti-
nation on the Board in dealing with this important issue. Before I vote for ~uch
a measure I want to see a legal opinion from the State Controllers Office permitting
such a procedure, which is not in comformancy with bid procedure in this state,
and I want to see an opinion from that same office confirming that we do have a
§ood faith emergency situation. I call on the Board. I repeat my request to the
Board, that we go to geniune bid on this issue. We still have the time, and we
have the bid specifications. Why are the members of the Board are so unwilling
what section 1034 of General Municipal Law specifically calls for is completely beyond
me, but I note that the purpose of that law is to protect taxpayers in getting the
best quality service at the lowest prices, and I might add in that General MUncipal
Law in also refers to protecting the people against favoritism, and corruption. I
can only assume that the rest of the Board has other reasons for wanting to make
an end run around proper bid procedures, and around State law. Those ar9 the
reasons why I'm not prepared to vote for the advertisement that appears in last
week newspapers.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Marvelous political speech, Tom.
COUNCILMAI~ PENNY: I will vote, yes, for this, and I think there's an absence
of memory here, because at the last meeting we thoroughly discussed, which I'm
sure the Supervisor will get into, that there was not time to go through a lengthy
103 process, and that we did agree that we would go out and solicit from as many
people as possible, as openly as possible, proposals from these people. Putting them
in the newspapers was a way of getting the people that we couldn't reach by telephone.
I would absolutely support it. It was a decision of the Board that was made in
an open session at the prior meeting.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: I'm going to ask you to reconsider your vote for passage
~of this. We need four to pass the paying of the newspapers, that ran the advertise-
ments. But, I'll give you time to consider doing that. I think it appropriate at
'this time to state that Councilman Wickham has been on board for about four years.
His procrastination in solving this solid waste issue is probably paramount. It's
obvious through obstructionism through the years when he first became a Board
member, and also, was appointed by me to the Task Force, that very little got
accomplished, and under Councilwoman Hussie leadership she has led this town for
the last two years in the right direction to solve the dilemma that has been facing
all towns in this great nation of ours. Councilman Wickham's memory is short, and
obviously very convenient for his own purposes, but it's obvious that he fails to
listen to meetings, that he attends, and over the last three or four months, when
October 9th deadline became apparent to this Board, there was no certainty of
whether this was going to be imposed. As a matter of fact, we're still in litigation,
and have been in litigation right up to the moment that we speak, in reference to
saving ~and protecting the taxpayers of this town from what we feel is a flawed
piece of legislation that was passed in 1983. So, there was no procrastination. We
have been fighting for the people all along. As far as the 103 procedure goes,
Mr, Wickham happened to have a prepared statement that he had to read tonight.
It's unfortunate that he doesn't know the subject matter like he should on the back
of his hand after dealing with it for four years. This information that he read tonight
obviously is flawed, and what I find amusing is that our engineering firm a number
of weeks ago suggested to us, that we go out, and do this proposal ~ for the interum
for three months, because there was not time to prepare a bid 103 in the two weeks
that was needed before the October 9th deadline, because it just became a reality
as of a couple of weeks ago. So, as far as we know right now the OctOber 9th 'dead-
line is being imposed. The Town Board acted unanimously last week, but Tom voted
for everything that we did last week, and now, of course, is trying to recues himself
on any of those votes, especially over the last four years, that he's participated
in. One other thing, that I have to mention to the people of our great town. This
procrastination, that has taken place, is duly noted, especially in the last six months
on Councilman Wickham's part. Before that he was a team player, but suddenly
reversed his decision, not unlike other candidates, that are running for political
office in ~the past years, who have been with us all along until they have been
direction of what to do for, obviously, a .political expediency, but in this case,
Cou.ncilman Wickham, we do commend you, certainly, for your votes over the past
few years, and especially for the last week when you continue to work for a solu-
tion, not to brir~g politics into it, but to find a real solution, and I commend you
for that, because you have participated with this Board up until, as I said, a few
months ago in trying to ~t least work with us. The 103 bid procedure is being
worked on as we speak. That's a procedure that takes a number of months. Our
engineering reminded us two weeks ago, that it's going to take a number of months
to come out with that document, to be able to solicit bids, receive bids, open them,
and award them. In the meantime under the procedure that took place last week,
which the Board agreed to, we have solicited proposals. We are getting the best
possible price for a' three month period, until an official bid can be received, and
opened, and awarded. We are in an emergency situation, because the Town Engineer,
our engineering firm has told us it is not physically possible to do any type of bid
documentation, such as a general muncipal 103, within a one, or two, or ~hree week
period. 'Fhat is just physically inpossible to do, and I'm proud of the Board for
moving ahead. Councilwoman Hussie, I'm proud of her Chairmanship. We have the
solution around the corner ready to implemented soon as it's needed, and this Town
should be congratulated for it's. solving of a dilemma that has faced many muncipalities,
not only in the State of New York, but in our great nation of ours, and as we all
kno~, economically has been raising havoc with all those municipal budgets.
I congratulate the Board for their endeavors in that.
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: Now Councilwoman Hussie will have something else to
say. Councilwoman Hussie doesn't like agreeing to an ad that said something about
the garbage. There was nothing mentioned~ Councilwoman Hussie was not asked
on the telephone, or in person, about the C&D. I object to that part of it.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Or was any other Councilperson.
COUNClLWOMAI~ HUSSIE: Well, two rights don't make a wrong.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: That doesn't mean it was wrong, Councilwoman Hussie.
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: I was not asked. However, as I said before, the news-
papers have to be paid. The deed is done. I'm voting for paying the newspaper,
but I want to go on record as objecting to the way it was done.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: You'll then have to do another resolution. The resolution
just lost. You can place the motion on the floor.
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: I can't change n~y vote?
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: It was a no vote. I move it.
COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: What is the motion?
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: The same motion, that you had before, Councilman Wickham,
to pay the bill.
COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: We're voting on the same measure a second time?
SUPER'VISOR HARRIS: That's a fact, the Town has an obligation to pay it's bills.
9A.
9A.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris. No: Councilman Wickham.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
-Moved by Supervisor Harris, seconded by Councilman Lizewski, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
expenditure of the necessary~ funds to place display ads in the following newspapers
soliciting proposals for the transfer and disposition of municipal solid waste for the
period from October 9, 1993 to April 9, 1994: Suffolk Times: 1/4 page; News-Review:
1/4 page; Traveler-Watchman: I/8 page; Newsday: classified section.
10.-Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Councilman Lizewski, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts the bid
of Briarcliff South Shore Sprinklers, Ron Foster, Inc., Southampton, New York,
in the amount of $4,000.00, for the installation of a lawn sprinkler system at the
Robert W. Tasker Memorial Park, Pecon~c Lane, Peconic, all in accordance with the
bid specifications.
10.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, .Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared dulY ADOPTED.
11.-Moved by Councilman Wickham, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts the bid
of Richard's Nursery, Inc., Miller Place, New York, in the amount of $11,543.00,
for discing, finish grading', and seeding of two (2) playing fields at the Robert
W. Tasker Memorial Park, Peconic Lane, Peconic, all in accordance with the bid
specifications.
11 .-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
.This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
12.-Moved by Supervisor Harris, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and
directs the Town Clerk to advertise for bids for the purchase of plastic garbage
bags to be used for the disposal of nonrecy~able waste, all in accordance with the
bid specifications.
12.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
13.-Moved by Councilman Wickham, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
followin~ budget modification to the General Fund Whole Town 1993 Budget to
appropriate Records Management grant from the New York State Education Department
for the purchase of shelving for the Vault and Storage Room:
To:
Reve~ques:
A3089 State Aid - Record Archives $ 8,216.00
Appropriations:
A1410.2 Town Clerk, Equipment $ 8,216.00
13.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewsl~i,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
14.-Moved by Councilman Penny, seconded by Supervisor Harris, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and
directs the Town Clerk to advertise for bids for the purchase of 5,000 yards of
Screened Sand for the Highway Department for Ice Control and Highway Maintenance.
14.-Vote'of the'Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
15.-Moved.by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes a refund
of $250.00 to John Tuthill, which sum represents an application for a set-off to the
Planning Board submitted by Mr. Tuthill on behalf of Lyle Tu.thill, and the applica-
tion has been withdrawn,
15.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
18.-Moved by Councilman Wickham, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ~trants permission
to the Southold Parent Teachers Association to use Oaklawn Avenue, Southold, on
Sunday, October 31, 1993, between the hours of 2:00 P.M. and 2:15 P.M. for the
purpose of holding their Annual Halloween Parade, provided they file with the Town
Clerk a One MillionDollar Certificate of Liability Insurance naming the Town of
Southold as an additional insured.
16.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPFRVISOR HARRIS: .A motion to recess for a public hearing.
Moved by Councilman Wickham, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that a recess be called at this time, 8:00 P.M., for the purpose of
holding a public hearing..
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
Reconvened at 8:05 P.M.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: We'll move to the regular portion of our agenda.
17.-Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and
directs Supervisor Scott L. Harris to file an application on forms prescribed by
the New York State Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation for
financial assitance in accordance with the provisions of title 9 of the Environmental
Quality Bond Act of 1986, in an amount not to exceed $350,000.00, and upon
approval of said request to enter into and execute a project agreement with the
State for such financial assistance to this municpality for the Robert W. Tasker
Memorial Park.
17.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
18.-Moved by Councilman Wickham, seconded by Supervisor Harris, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and
directs Supervisor Scott L. Harris to execute an extension to the lease agreement
between St. Agnes Church and the Town of Southold for the use of St. Agnes Parish
Hall for the Nutrition Program and Day Care Center for senior citizens; said
extension from October 1, 1993 through October 31, 1993, at the current monthly
rent of $2,500.00; all in accordance with the approval of the Town Attorney.
18.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
19.-Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Cou~ncilman Lizewski, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of $outhold hereby accepts the resicjna-
tion of Irene Oliver, Van Driver for the Nutrition Program, effective immediately.
19.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
20.-Moved by Couni;ilwoman Hussie, seconded by Councilman Penny, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and
directs the Town Clerk to advertise for bids for the purchase of 500 Tons of Bulk
Salt, more or less as may be need, for the Superintendent of Highways.
20.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, CouncH~n~n Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
21 .-Moved by Councilman Penny, seconded by Councilman Lizewski, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
payment of $415.00 to Martha Prince for conducting Aerobics classes for the Recre-
tion Department for the period from June 28, 1993 through Spetember 15, 1993.
21.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
22.-Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Supervisor Harris, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
following 1993 Budget modification to the General Fund - Part Town to transfer
donated funds for D.A.R.E. ~osters:
To:
Revenues:
B2705 Gifts & Donations $ 20.00
Appropriations:
B3157.4 Juvenile A~c!~ E~ureau, Contractual Expenses $ 20.00
22.-Vote' of the Town Board: A},'~s: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councih?,an Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared cJu]y ADOPTED.
23.-Moved by Councilman Wickh~m, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the Town ~o~rd of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
following 1993 Budget modification to the General Fund - Part Town to cover legal
fees relating to the Matt-A-~,~ar !awsuit and anticipated needs for the remainder
of the year:
To:
B1420.4
B9040.8
From:
B8010.4
B9060.8
B9901.9
Town Att~;rney, Contractual Expenses
Workers C,~:mF~e~s~tion, Benefits
$ 1,675.26
38,000.00
Zoning, Contractual Expenses $ I..675.26
Hospital ~ ~,~edical Insurance, Benefits 8,000.00
Transfers 30,000.00
23.-Vote of the Town Board: A~,'~: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Counc!~man Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SEPTEMBER 21, 1993
24.-Moved by Supervisor Harris, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
following budget modification to the General Fund - Whole Town 1993 Budqet to
appropriations and anticipated needs for the remainder of the
cover overdrawn
year:
To:
A1910.4
A5660.1
A7180.1
A9040.8
From:
A5650.4
A7020.4
A71.80.4
A9710.7
Insurance, Contractual Expenses
Off Street Parking, Personal Services
Beaches, Personal Services
Workers Compensation, Benefits
$ 16,000.00
5,500.00
10,000.00
16,000.00
Off Street Pa~ing, Contractual Expenses $ 5,500.00
Recreation Ad~!inistration, Contractual Expenses 3,000.00
Sport Program'~ Contractual Expenses 2,800.00
Serial Bonds, Interest 36,200.00
24.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
25.-Moved by Councilman Penny, seconded by Councilman Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
expenditure of a sum not to exceed $2,000.00 to cover the cost of implementing the
Configuration of the new 911 circuit to serve Fishers Island, all in accordance with
the pr.oposal submitted by Justice Raymond W. Edwards, dated September 21, 1993;
said proposal to include a radio link installed in Southold, with antenna and
hardline coax cable.
COUNCILMAN PENNY: I'd like to say at this time,,now that it's been seconded,
that Ray with his knowledge and background in the Telephone Company, and the
communications network has saved the Town of Southold which is saving approximately
$17,000.00 a year, while still providing the 911 service to Fishers Island. This is
something that Ray initiated on his own, and came up. It's a great cost saving.
We were getting tremendous bills from AT&T for this same service, and Ray worked
it out so that we can do a lot of this ourselves.
25.
26.
-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
-Moved by Supervisor Harris, seconded by Councilman Lizewski,
WHEREAS, William F, Gasser and The American Armoured Foundation, Inc., by
petition filed May 27, 1992, applied to the Town Board of the Town of Southold for
a change of zone on certain property located on the northeasterly side of Love Lane,
Matt.itubk, .from Light Industrial District ("'LI") and Residential Office District ("RO")
to Hamlet Business District ("HB"); and
WHEREAS, the said petition was referred to the Southold Town Planning Board and
Suffolk:County Department of Planning for official recommendations and reports; and
WHEREAS, the T6wn Boated, pursuant to due notice, held a public hearing thereon
on the 10th day of November, 1992, at which time all interested persons were given
an opportunity to be heard; now, therefore, be it
RESOLMED that William F. Gasser and The American Armoured Foundation, Inc. be
and hereby is granted the relief demanded in said petition subject to the execution
the Suffolk County Clerk's Office of the following Declaration of
Restrictions which are hereby made a part of the Town Board's
and record in
Covenants and
decision':
WHEREAS',
Foundation,
York 11779)
declarant (Willaim F. Gasser, President of American A~'moured
Inc., with business address of 2383 Fifth Avenue, Ronkonkoma, New
is the owner of certain real property situated in Mattituck, Town
of Southold,'Suffolk County, New York, with Suffolk County Tax Map Designation
(SCTM) 1000-:140-2-16, commonly known as the "Tank Museum" and more
particularly described as follows: All that certain plot, piece or parcel of land,
with the buildings and improvements thereon erected, situate, lying and being
at Mattituck, Town of Southold, County of Suffolk and State of New York, which
is bounded and described as follows: Beginning at a point on the corner formed
by the intersection of the northeasterly side of Love Lane with the northwesterly
side of property of the Long Island Rail Road Company and from said point of
beginning; running thence northwesterly along the northeasterly side of Love'
Lane, North 35 degrees 17 minutes 40 seconds West 50 feet; running thence along
the land now or formerly MacMillian and Hawkins North 45 degrees 05 minutes
00 seconds East 187.64 feet; running thence along the land now or formerly of
354 SEPTEMBER 21, 1993
MacMillian and Hawkins North 35 degrees 17 minutes 40 seconds W'est 336.23 feet
to the northeasterly side of Middle Road~ running thence northeasterly along the
southeasterly side of Middle Road, North 55 degrees 02 minutes 20 seconds East
60.00 feet; running thence South 35 degrees 17 minutes 40 seconds East along
the land now or formerly of Wines 375~.72 feet to land of the Long Island Rail
Road Compar~y; running thence along land of the Long Island Rail Road Company
South 45 degrees 05 ~inutes 00 seconds West 248.50 feet to the corner aforesaid
and point or place of Beginning.
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Southold has determined that rezoning
of the subject premises to Hamlet Business District represents an upzoning and
will result in a less intense use of same and is in conformity with continuous
properties; and
WHEREAS, the Town Board has d~termined tl~t the use of the premises as a
'Light Industrial District' is not ~ peri¥,itted u$~;~nd
WHEREAS, the Town Board has determined tha~i! the intended use of the premises
as a museum with certain safeguards is not offensive; and
WHEREAS, the -l-own Board d.etermined that there is sufficient off-premises
parking available to possible patrons of the museum and that on-premises parking
will not be required for the intended use; and
WHEREAS, for and in consideration of the. granting by the Town Board of the
Town of Southold, on September 21, 1993, of a change of zone from Light
Industrial ("II") District and Residential Office ("RO") District to Hamlet
Business ("HB") District to declarant, William F. Gasser and the American
Armoured Foundation, Inc., the Town Board of the Town of Southold has
required that the within declaration be recorded in the Suffolk County Clerk's
Officer and
WHEREAS, de¢larants have considered the foregoing demand and determined ~ that
based' upon the limited nature of the intended use as a museum will be in the best
interests of the declarants and the community;
NOW, THEREFORE, THE DECLAR^NTS WITNESSETH:
1. The gun tower, presently located near the Love Lane entrance to the
subject premises and depicted on the survey prepared by Roderick Van Tuyl,
P.C., as amended September 9, 1991, a copy of which is annexed hereto, is to
be moved to'a point not closer than one hundred (100) feet from the Love Lane
entrance.
2. The premises shall be accessible to the public and for repairs, to the
extent necessary only during the following hours of operation: Monday through
Friday 9:00 A.M. to 5;00 P.M., and Saturday and Sunday I0:00 A.M. to 7:00
P.M~ In addition, the premises shall be accessible on Monday and Thursday
evenings from 6:00 P.M. to 9:00 P.M. strictly for the purpose of accommodating
veterans' groups, Boy Scouts and other such organizations.
3. All exterior lighting sl~all be shielded to the property, directed away from
contiguous property owners, and shall be of such a type as to minimize glare.
4. The premises shall be screened to the property existing to the northwest
of the subject premises and shall, if .possible, be of a natural vegetative type.
-5. The change of zone shall not in any way be considered at the granting
of any variance necessary to the proposed use.
6. Declarants, for the purpose of carrying out the intentions, above
expressed, does hereby make known, admit, publish, covenant and agree that
the said premises herein described shall hereinafter be subject to the above-
stated covenants which shall run with the land ~)e binding upon all purchasers
and holders of said premises, their heirs, executors, legal representatives,
distributees, successors, assigns and that these covenants and restrictions can
be modified only at the request of the then owner of the premises with the
approval of the majority plus one of the Town Board of the Town of Southold or
its successor body, after a public hearing. Adjoining property owners shall b~
entitled to notice of such public hearing, but their consent to such modification
shall not be required~
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: This has been held for some time for a Zone Change for
this museum. There have been a number of petitions, that have been turned
in since that time frame to the Town urging it to move ahead for this museum,
for it's zone change to officially sanction it in the [:lace where it's located, and
1'11 move this resolution.
26.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
27.-Moved by Councilman Wickham, seconded bY Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southodl hereby authorizes the
expenditure of a sum not to exceed $3,600.00 for preparing and mailing the Town-
wide 1993 Official Citizens Survey prepared by the Southold Town Stewardship Task
Force.
27.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
28.-Moved by Supervisor Harris, seconded by Councilman Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southoid hereby appoints Thomas
C. Samuels as Chairman of the Southoid Town Stewardship Task Force, to fill the
unexpired term of Richard C. Hilary, effective immediately to June 2, 1994.
28.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Congratulations to Tom, who is the Deputy Chairperson
we wish him the best of luck in his endeavors with the Stewardship Task Force,
and all they do for the people of the Town of Southold in the future.
29.-Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Councilman Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes an
expenditure not to exceed $200.00 for printing 1,000 Summary of Land Uses Charts,
all in accordance with the proposal submitted by The Pimlico Group, Southold, New
York, and subject to the approval of the Town Attorney after referral to the Planning
Board, Board of Appeals, and Building Inspectors.
29.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Supervisor Harris. No: Councilman Penny.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
COUNCILMAN PENNY: I vote, no, at this time with the explanation that I have
been on the Town Board for 7 1/2 years, I have not seen this document, and 1
do not vote to approve, and pass on to the public that I have not had the opportunity
to see myself. I don't believe that this has yet been presented to the Town Board.
.30.-Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Councilman Penny, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold, in accordance with
Section 48-2.C(4) of Chapter 48, Garbage, Rubbish and Refuse, of the Code of
the Town of Southold, hereby sets the followincj prices for the sale of Town Garbac~e
Bac~s: Wholesale
15 gallon - 24" x 24" - 12 micron - $ .75 $ .68
33 gallon - 30" x 37" - 19 mic-on - .$1.50 $1.35
40 gallon - 40" x 48" - 24 micron - $2.25 $2.03
cOuNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: The bags will ultimately cost everyone $.75, $1.50 and
$2.25. There are some retailers in town, who will be, primarily as a service to
their customers, also selling the bags, and in order to compensate them for their
trouble, and all of that, and you khow their time. We are offering the bags to
the retailers in case 10ts at a 10% dliscount for their good will.
30.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: CoUncilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Peinny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
31.-Moved by Councilman Wickham, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie,
WHEREAS, there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold
a proposed Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in Relation to Landfill Tipping Fees";
now, therefore, be it '
RESOLVED that the Town Board hereby sets 4:32 P.M., Tuesday, October 5, 1993,
Southold Town Hall, Main Road, SoUthold, New York, as time and place for a
public hearincj on this proposed Lo~al Law, which reads as follows:
A Local Law in Rel~tion to Landfill Tipping Fees
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows;
I. Chapter 48 (Garbage, Rubbis~ and Refuse) of the Code of the Town of
Southold is hereby amended aS follows:
1. Section 48-4.B is hereby ~mended to read as follows:
B. Effective Ja~ra~r~/-1-, -~.99-3 October 9, 1993, in addition to the
fees established in S~ction 48-4.A. of this chapter, there shall
be a fee of t-I~ee cer~s {-$0~0~ three and one-half cents
($0.035) per pound ~n loads containing the following:
3 5 6SEP' E,,,BE. 21. 1993
II.
2. Section 48.4.B(6) is hereby amended to read as follows:
(6) Commercial & household c~arbac~e, and rubbish, including
but not limited to furniture fixtures,television antennas,
carpets, awnings, boats and other like objects that are not
considered normal everyday household waste.
This local Law shall take effect upon its filing with the Secretary of State.
Overstrike represents deletions
Underscore represents additions
TOWN CLERK TERRY: You might like to mention that it's going to be adding in
another section. It will also be Section 48.4.B(6), which will say, prior to that
paragraph commerc~a and l~ousehold garbage, and rubbish. Now, it iust says
rubbish. That will be in my office. It will be published. Am I correct,commercial
and garbage are the words that will be added?
COUNCILMAN PENNY: With the explanation, that originally garbage up until now,
and we're probably the last town on the end of the island, that doesn't charge for
garbage at the Landfill, but we have two ways of doing it now. One is by the bag,
which breaks down into the same price per pound, and then too we have a bulk
rate for commercial carters, which is exactly the same rate. Sol the commercial
carters will be picking up from commercial establishments, and there's obviously
a lot of cases where it can't be bagged, but it will be coming in, in the form of
dumpst, ers, etc. etc., that will be weighed, so they'll be paying exactly the same
rate as the household people will.
31 .-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
~Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
32.-Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Councilman Penny, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes Senior
Planner Valerie Scopaz to attend the New York Planning Federation's Planning and
Zoning Institute at Elienville, New York, on October 17 through 20, 1993, and the
actual expenses for meals, lodging, $100.00 registration fee, and transportation
shall be a legal charge to the Planning Board's 1993 Budget.
32.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Wickham,
Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris. Abstain: Councilman Lizewski.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
33.-Moved by Councilman Wickham, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Sotuhold hereby authorizes the
followinc~ 1993 Budc~et modification to the Hic~hwa¥ Department - Whole Town:
From:
DA.5120.1 Bridges, Personal Services $ 3f700.00
DA.5120.4 Bridges, Contractual Expenses l r572.28
DA.5140.4 Brush & Weeds, Contractual Expenses 3,227.72
To:
DA.9040.8
Workers Compensation $ 8,500.00
33.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
34.-Moved by Supervisor Harris, seconded by Councilman Penny, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
followinc~ 1993 BUdc~et modification to the Highway Department - Part Town:
From:
DB.5110.1 General Repairs, Personal Services $ 13,500.00
'DB.5110.4 General Repairs, Contractual Expenses 13,500.00
To:
D--B.9040.8 Workers Compensation $ 27,000.00
34.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris'.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
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35.-Moved by Councilman Penny, seconded by 'Supervisor Harris, it was
RESOLVED that the Town .Board of the Town of Southold hereby 'authorizes and
directs Special Counsel Richard J. Cron to accept the proposed settlement in the
70 Marion Associates v. Assessors and Board of Assessment Review of the Town
of Southold 1991/92 and 1992/93 certiorari prceeding, all in accordance with the
recommendations of the Board of Assessors.
35.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Would the Board iike tn do the Locai Law '~e.had the public
hearing on today? '
36.-MOved by Supervisor Harris, seconded by Councilman Wickham,
WHEREAS, there was presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold on the
8th day of September, 1993, a Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in Relation to
Parking"; and
WHEREAS, a public hearing was held on the Local Law on the 21st day of September,
1993,.at which time all interested persons were given an opportunity to be heard;
now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that Local Law No. 21 - 1993 be enacted, as follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. 21 ~ 1993
A Local Law in Relation to Parking
BE IT I~NACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
I. Chapter 65 (Parking At Beaches) of the Code of the Town of Southold is
hereby amended as follows:
1. Section 65-2.A. is hereby amended by adding the following:
(15) Indian Neck Lane, Peconic, from the c~uardrail at the southerly
terminus northerly for a distance of 250 feet.
I1. This Local Law shall take effect upon its filing with the Secretary of State.
36.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: At this time are there any members of the audience, that
would like to address this Board on any subject, that you feel may be important
for the Board to have knowledge of? Yes?
JUDY COLLINS: Thank you, gentlemen of the Town Board. My name is Judy
Collins. I live at 4300 Bayview Road. I am here on behalf of myself and my husband,
David Collins at the same address. I am very disturbed to have seen a piece in
the last week's publication, a quote by Councilman Wickham, that I'm going to read,
and I'd like your response to it. It is addresed to you. Dear Councilman Wickham.
As a resident property owner in Southold Town and the proprieter of a refuse
removal and recyclable collection company serving East Hampton Town, I am outraged
at your remarks regarding the garbage industry's alleged ties to organized crime.
What gives you the right to make a sweeping statement, claiming that, and I quote,
practically every garbage company, excluding those in Southold Town, can be accused
of having links to organized crime. My company, and I speak on behalf of my
husband, who is the proprieter, while young, is a reputable establishment in East
Hampton. We boast the best recycling rate in East Hampton Town, and possibly
the South Fork, and we have absolutely no ties to organized crime. I simply can
not believe that an elected official would make such a statement without knowing
all the facts. And now, you. are asking us to support.you in your bid for higher
office. I can not support you, Mr. Wickham, because I do not want to be repre-
sented by someone who speaks before he thinks, and who arbitrarily accuses rePutable,
hard-working businessmen of dirty dealing. I have built my business, Three R's
Residential Carting Services, you've seen the signs around town, from literally one
customer in April of 1992 to almost 400 today. My husband did it with my help
and support, and I am a lifelong resident of Southold Town. You've seen me. Every-
one on the Town Board knows who I am. We are successful because we implemented
good marketing strategies for our fine service, not because we are linked to organized
crime. I resent being accused of such by anyone, particularly an elected official
of Southold Town. Elected officials, in accepting their duties as public officials,
can expect to be held to a higher standard, for you have a responsibility to us,
your constituency, to represent us in a truthful, forthright manner, without making
statements, which distort the facts about issues on which you know little or nothing.
Mr. Wickham, you owe an apology to all reputable refuse removal companies for even
suggestin9 that we may have ties to organized crime when we do not. Sometimes
the perception is greater than the reality, and if any of my prospective customers
choose not to engage my services because they have heard yourarbitrary and false
statement, be assured, I will hold you personally accountable. It's signed by my
husband, David Collins. You know, I'm the daughter of a local clergyman. Are
you saying, Mr. Wickham, that I could have ties to organized crime? By this state-
ment you're saying that, and I would like to know what your response is.
COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: I would be very happy to give you a response. A news-
paper called .me, on the telephone, and said that it was the understanding of.the
person who C~ItAd me, that the Town of Southold had a contract, was about to
award a contract with a corporation that had ties with organized crime, would I
please make a comment for the newspaper on the telephone? I said, look, I said
right on the telephone, I said, look, any company on Long Island can beaccused, and
frequently is accused of having those ties. I'm not prepared to make any further
comment. That's what I said to the person who called me on the telephone. I said,
any company on Long Island is frequently accused, may be accused. We hear it
all the time. I'm not going to dignify the newspaperperson's comment by responding
to it. My comment was then put in the newspaper in the manner that you saw it.
How I said it, and what I meant, and what I'm saying to you now is, when the
comment came to me on the telephone it said, and I'll just quote essentially what
was put to me. The Town of Southold is about to do a contract with a company
that is. well known to have ties with organized crime. Tom, do you have a comment
on that? I said, look, any company on Long Island is frequently accused of having
· those ties. I'm not prepared to make any comment about it. That was the context
that I said, and Judy, I sincerely believe that your company, and I specifically
mentioned those in Southold Town, which I do know about, and I specifically exempted
them, and I said, I'm sure that those don't have such ties.
JUDY COLLINS: We don't operate in Southold Town.
COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: I didn't limit it to that.
JUDY COLLINS: 'You said, excluding those in Southold Town.
COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: Specifically in Southold.
JUDY COLLINS: But it doesn't exclud~ anybody else. There's people on Shelter
Island. There's people other than in Southold Town.
COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: I did not say that every company has those ties. I said
to the person, who called me on the telephone, I said, we hear those things, all
the time about every company, and I'm not prepared to comment about it, and I
mean it, and I certainly would not mean to impugn the reputation of your company,
which I know of, and I'm sure is above board and perfectly 9ood. I mean that
sincerely.
JUDY COLLINS: Councilman Wickham, I said, you owe us an apoligy. May I have
an apoligy on the record, could 17
COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: Yes, I regret, I sincerely regret if my comments Were
taken as casting any aspersions as to the ability and the uprightness of youir
company. I really do sincerely regret that. ~
JUDY COLLINS: Thank you, Mr. Wickham. I will deliver to you the letter, and
because I know you need a record, I have copies for the whole Town Board~
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Anybody else like to address this Board on any matter?
Yes, ma'am?
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JOHANNA NORTHAM: My name is Johanna Northam. I'm a member of the Solid
waste Task Force, and resident of the Town of Southold. When I was selected to
be on the Task Force, November '89, it was told that it was going to be a non-
partisan group. Many times over the years we prided ourselves on being non-partisan.
I got this in the mail, and now I realize that garbage is being politicized, and that's
sad. While I'm here after reading this it's like the members of the Task Force are
nonexistent. There's references made about lobbying. Lobbying entails letter
writing campaigns, talking to people, not only a trip to Albany. I have boxes, and
boxes in my basement of the letters I sent, the people of the Task Force sent. I
also was on the sub-committee of the Recycling Committee in which Ruth Oliva worked
the Chair. Nothing mentioned about how we put in place a comprehesive recycling
plan. It's like we were doing nothing for two years. I don't know who wrote this,
but I ~lemand an apoligy as a Task Force member. I'm sure all the other Task Force
members fee! the same. Thank you for your time. I'd like this to go on pubtic
record.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Thank you Johanna. Anybody else like to address this
Board?
BETTY ROSS: My name is Betty Ross, and I would a clarification on the size of
the garbage bags from Mrs. Hussie. I understood you to say the fifteen gallon
bag was $.75,.the thirty-three gallon bags was $1.50, and the forty gallon is $2.25,
so it's cheaper to buy 3 fifteen gallon bags, then it is I forty gallon bag. Is that
right?
COUNCli_WOMAN HUSSIE: I can't really answer you on that. We have put the price
of the bags, they're mentioned in gallons there, actually they're holding pounds.
They're calling_forty gallon bag holds an average of 62 pounds, but the purveyor..
BETTY ROSS:' How much does the 15 gallon bag hold.
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: Between 15 and 20 pounds.
BETTY ROSS: I'm just wondering what kind of bags I should buy? Whether I should
the fifteen gallon bag for $.75, if I can buy three of those for $2.25.
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: Try them all.
BETTY ROSS: I would prefer to have them on my taxes, but I didn't have anything
to say about it.
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: The problem is, Betty, that the bag manufacturers go
by the gallon size, so we have to have this resolution in terms of gallons, but we
know that each gallon bag holds~a certain number of pounds.
BETT'Y ROSS: A gallon is a volume measurement.
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: That's right, and that's the way they are measuring.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Mrs. Ross, also, in reference to the bags, as you know
the Town over the last two and a half years had a number of public hearings, and
at each of these public hearings anybody was free to comment during that public
hearing, or public information meeting, in reference to whether they wanted to go
by the bags, or whether they wanted I~y taxation, and during those three meetings
overwhelmingly in each meeting [he residents raised their hand, and said they wanted
to pay by the bag. What they produced they wanted to pay for. That's why the
Board moved in that direction based on those three public hearings, or information
hearings, two information hearing, and one public hearing, which was recently held.
The gallons, which you're mentioning is not a standard in the industry. However,
we wanted to make it very simple in the beginning. We said, look, people know a
thirty gallon trash barrel. They know a twenty gallon, and a ten gallon. We were
just going to say thirty gallon bag, twenty gallon, and ten, however, the manu-
facturers have certain standards that they use, and that's why we were being very
~pecific about the size of bags that· they actually order. The big bag is actually
forty inches by forty- eight inches deep. The medium bag is thirty inches by thirty-
six inches deep, and the smaller bag is twenty-four by twenty-four. Those are
the actual dimensions. They're rated in pounds by cans that they hold. We
certainly can bring in three garbages cans, which we have in the other room, which
will show the three bags size.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: It will also tell you the pounds.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: That's how the Task Force came up with the numbers.
3 6 0 SEPTEM.ER 2,. ,,,3
.BETTY.ROSS:I'm a mathematician, so I know'.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: It was hard to come up with..to say that the bag was forty
by forty-eight inches, and then say it's rated to hold 75 pounds by can weight,
because that's how the industry rates bags for burst strains. People wouldn't under-
stand, you know, what 75 can weight mean, so they put it strictly in the pounds
that were averaged out by Shelter Island Township, which for two weeks, in doing
a survey of their residents through these same sizes, came up with an average for
weights that were put in those three different size bags, being weighed individually
for that two week period. Anybody else?
MILDRED CULLEN: Mildred Cullen. I apoligize for being negligenL in not attending
previous meetings, but I have a question. The prices of Town garbage bags, do
we have the right to know what you're paying for them?
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Sure. Absolutely.
MILDRED CULLEN: That's one question. Just for curiosity I'd Hke to know.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: There's no profit in the bag. The bag is not being sought
monetary for reimbursement. The poundage in the bag is what is paying for the
poundage, that is leaving our facilities in Cuchogue for a vendor with a price that
will still, be fixed. The cost per bag is strictly a reflection on what it will cost
us to purchase the bag. That is not what we're being reimbursed on by the fee
that we set. The fee, that we set here, is based on poundage, that that bag will
hold, and based on the amount of pounds that will leave our landfill on a daily basis.
That's how the rate was commensurated along with what we'll be charged to take
that solid waste out our landfill.
MILDRED CULLEN: Will we still have to pay the $25.00 permit?
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Sure, because the landfill will remain open as it is right
now. There is going to be no change. Internally there will be a change on how
we handle solid waste inside, but externally, as far as everybody is concerned,
theme will be absolutely no change. You won't see any difference at all.
MILDRED CULLEN: All right, we're going to have the same permit fee, a raise
in the tipping fee, the brush, and whatever.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: No, brush will be at the same rate, because brush and
leaves are going to be handled internally in the landfill. C&D is a different catagory
all together.
MILD'RED CULLEN: I'm not talking about CSD. I'm talking about when I bring
branches, and dead trees, and all that stuff. I get charged $.03 a pound.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: As'far as I know, that's going to remain constant. That
is not changing as far as I know.
MILDRED CULLEN: It's not changing to three and a half?
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: Because we don't have to send that out of town.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: I'll get a classification, because that section of the law has
to changed by public hearing, instead of resolution, so if you like Mrs. Cullen I'll
get a clarification on that section of the Code, that we have to change. There's
going to be a public hearing on it in two weeks, anyway, so I'll get a clarification
for you.'
MILDRED CULLEN: Is there any chance that we're going to be allowed to get burn
barrels like they do on Shelter Island.~
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: As far as, and again, the Fire Departments here frown on
burning. They're not here right now, but they frown on burning. As you know,
years ago the Town was told..used to burn everything up in the Landfill. The
Suffolk County H~alth Department said we'don't want you to burn anymore. The
DEC said, the way to control solid waste now is to bury it. So, we followed the
DEC's regulations, and started burying it. I mean, the DEC has been changing
all along for years. The towns have been following their mandates. The Suffolk
County Health Department is the one that stopped burning in Suffolk County. The
Town still has on the books controlled burning as far as l know. That is still in
our Town Code. It has never been removed. Now, what I would do is find out from
your various Fire Department Chiefs, what there feeling is in reference to burn
barrels, and burning in the backyard. I can"t tell you is every district is the same,
whether they won't allow any. Farmers get a special permit, which allows them
to burn 'their cardboard boxes, a~d crates, and things like this. They have a
special permit, which is given to them by the DEC..
MILDRED CULLEN: I'm curious to know where my cereal boxes go. They're not
recyclable.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Cereal boxes would go right into the solid waste stream.
It would be crushed, and then go into your garbage bags.
MILDRED CULLEN: But that could be done in a burn barrel.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: You could also use it in your fireplace to start a fire in
the winter, also.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: There is no fire department in Southold Town, that issues
the burn permit.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: That answers the question.
MILDRED CULLEN: Then you have to pay to dispose of your cereal boxes.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: If you rip it up. We're just going to have to do a lot of
things that we don't do to reduce the size.
COUNCILMAN PENNY: There's an awful lot of material that can be put in with
the junk mail, and the throwouts, and probably at some point in time they may
consider light cardboard to be thrown in with that also, but we haven't got that
clarification yet, because really it's something more than heavy paper. I think it's
just a matter of time.
MILDRED CULLEN: Are we going to get a list of what is going into the bag?
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: The cardboard from your cereal boxes goes into the
garbage bag. It can not be put in what we're calling the junk mail, or the slick
paper area at this time, but you probably can get rid of half of your garbage by
just bringing that slick stuff down to the landfill.
MILDRED CULLEN: That's what I do now.
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: These are the three sizes, and this is the largest one.
You can see that that would take an awful lot of garbage, especially if you have
a composting pile.
COUNCILMAN PENNY:
SUPERVISOR HARRIS:
and then the front.
And a trash compactor.
Is there anybody else at this time?
All the way in the back,
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SEPTEMBER 21, 1993
LARRY TUTHILL; My name is Larry Tuthill. I'm also a member of the Solid Waste
Task Force, and I also received a copy of the flyer that Johanna was talking about,
which accuses the Task Force of accomplishing nothing for the first two years of
our existence, and that's incorrigible, because this flyer put out by the Republican
Party has as one of it's members the Chairman, who happens to be Tom Samuels
who is here today. Mr. Harris you have been to our Task Force meetings, and
Mr, Penny, as Deputy Supervisor, ,and campaign manager of this current campaign.
You have been to our Task Force. meetings, and we're not talking about the years
'90 and '91, when Mr. Wickham was Chairman of the Task Force. I was surprised __
to read that we were charged with doing nothing, because the three people that
I mentioned attended our Task Force meeting never mentioned to us, that we weren't
doing a good job. Never told us that we were accomplishing nothing. I recall in
~91, I believe it was in December'~r around that time, when Mr. Wickham informed
us that his term was ending as Chairman, and he asked for our suggestion as to
who the next Chairman should be. Mrs. Hu.ssie. had just been elected lo the Town
Board at that time, and she was appointed to be Chairman of the Task Force, and
there was smooth transition I thought. I never realized that members of the Town
Board were dissatisfied with what we werte doing, because they never mentioned
it to us at all at any Task Force mooting. I then went to the newspapers, and
looked back to the years of 19~1, realizing that Mr. Wickham had been Chairman
for al! of '90 into '91, to see if there was anything in there that Supervisor, or
Deputy Supervisor were dissatisfied with what we were doing, and 1 didn't find
dissatisfaction. On the contrary, in February of 1991, when Mr. Wickham had been
Chairman for a year and couple of months; Ruth Jernick wrote in February 28, 1991
addition of The Suffolk Times, on page All, Mr. Wickham who chairs the Solid Waste
Task Foi'ce met Monday evening with officials from Riverhead and Shelter Island
to present the proposal for taking garbage out, and turning it over to private
industry. It had been successful in Rhode Island, and upstate New York, he said,
and added that he is in the process of arranging a meeting between three North
Fork towns, and reprentatives of communities who garbage authorities. I am in
full support of the direction Tom was taking, Supervisor Scott Harris said Tuesday.
This was February 28, 1991, and year and a couple of months into Mr. Wickham's
Chairmanship. Now, I realize that maybe you were dissatisfied later on with his
Chairmanship, maybe a couple of months later. Let me jump to July 18, 1991, another.
article written by Ruth Jernick in regard to garbage. Again, Mr. Harris is quoted,
I've been speaking to many organizations, and everybody I'm speaking to is behind
the Town Board, and the Task Force. This is page A32 Suffolk Times July 18,
1991. Now, with a couple more months to go in Mr. Wickham's Chairmanship, maybe
now something will said in the papers as to the dissatifaction of what our Task Force
is doing. Let me jump to October 3rd, 1991. This is October 3rd, 1991, a couple
of more months into Mr. Wickham's Chairmanship in the Task Force. Page A14, the
Supervisor insisted that the Town has to defend the taxpayers, and that both he,
and the Solid Waste Management Task Force, have addressed this deligently since
I took office. In this flyer that was sent up by the Republicans, they say, that
there has been no commercial recycling plan, no plan for paying for garbage disposal
In fa'ct you're saying in this, that there was no plan. That's right. In the Republi-
can campaign. You then have..In 1991 you ran an ad in The Suffolk Times October
1st, 1991, page A7, Supervisor .Harris went to the people. He created a bi-partisan
Solid Waste Task Force made up of qualified Southold Town residents. In March
of this year through extensive hard work and dedication the Town Board adopted
Southold Town's first Comprehensive Solid Waste Management Plan. As you can
see, 'Mrs. Hussie's picture is there. But, as of this date October 24, 1991, again,
Mr. Wickham is still Chairman of the committee. Mrs. Hussie has yet attend a Task
Force meeting, and yet she is credited with doing everything that the Task Force
has accomplished, and for the first two years we have been accused of accomplishing
nothing. Now, I think it's sad, that you have to m a group of volunteers,
so that you can maintain your $50,000.00 a year job. What I'm suggesting here
is.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: How does this address the Board, Mr. Tuthill. Please get
to the point. This is not a debate. This is not a political forum. I'm asking you,
how does this address the Board?
LARRY TUTHILL:' I think you've been unfair to the Solid Waste Task Force in the
campaign material, that you, and Mr. Penny, and Mr. Samuels have put forth, and
contradicted what you have said in the past. You're putting out material that belies
your record on what you said in the past. That's what l'm saying. I think you
owe it to the people of Southold to tell the truth. I think Mr. Penny wants to say
something.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: I'll be running the meeting, Mr. Tuthill. Thank you. Please,
don't sit down, because obviously you're entitled to your opinion. Obviously part
of a election committee, you have a job to do, to stand up to try to berate indivi-
duals, and political mailings, and so on, which is admirable. This is the job you've
been assigned to do. However. . Excuse me, you had your chance to speak. You
have made a lot of statements here of which you haven't read what article you're
talking about, and the article and what it specifically said. They're all generalities.
Nobody has ever said the Task Force didn't accomplish anything. I don't think
that was ever stated anywhere, and where you come up with that statement remains
to be seen. However, the accomplishments of the Task Force have been well noted.
The Task Force has been commended for the years going back to 1989, when before
it was the Solid Waste Task Force, which I urged the Board to pass in 1989, by
t'he way, it was known as SWAC, of which COuncilwoman Hussie at that time was
a member, and also, so was Mr. Samuels, and she has been involved ever since
that time with solid waste in this town, so don't state that she has not been involved,
when she has. She's perfectly capable of defending herself, however she has been
involved with solid waste long before there was a Solid Waste Task Force formed
in this township. You make statements as if you are personally offended, because
your name was mentioned in there? Well, I'm sorry, Mr. Tuthill, if you weren't
personally mentioned in there as getting credit. However, the Task Force has gotten
credit all these years, and I think you've misunderstood the statement, and the
context of the information that is in print in front of you.
LARRY TUTHILL: Would you like to me to respond to that?
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: No, I'm not in a debate here with you. I'll be glad to do
that anytime outside of this forum. This is for Board time and information pertaining
to the Board, but if you would like to address this Board on any other matter
other than the one that you mentioned, I'll be glad to entertain you.
LARRY TUTHILL: Well, I would just like to comment on what you just said. I
mean here you say that fifty-nine meetings were held, and what was accomplished?
Nothing. This is the statement that I am addressing. Mrs. Hussie was certainly
involved with the..with the campaign earlier, and she has done a pretty good job
coming on to the Task Force, also. I'm not complaining about that.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Again, I'm not going to get n a debate with you. You
just made a statement that Councilwoman Hussie wasn't even involved with part of
it, and she has been a part of this Town's Solid Waste Initiative back into the 1980's.
So, you know, the statement stands by itself. She has a record. The Task Force
has a 'record. At that time, I think what they called themselves..What did you call
yourself, Alice, at that time?
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: SWAC.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: SWAC at that time, so they have been long standing in this
town as working to resolve an issue, which has plagued everyone for some time.
COUNCILMAN PENNY: Mr. Tuthill, could you hand me a copy of that, please. I
would like to see where it'addresses the Task Force. I believe it addresses the
activities of Chairman, and what this alludes to is that nobody attended on the
Task Force is the accomplishments of the Chairman, and it is true, that there was
under the first two years, there was no contigency plan. There was onl), one lobbying
trip to Albany. There was no plan for paying for garbage. There was no recycling
inforcement, and there was no commercial recycling plan. All of these statements
are absolutely true, but, Larry, let's go one step further. If you want to make
this, which is a Town Board meeting, a political forum to debate the campaign litera-
ture that is going back and forth, let's debate the little green piece that was put
out the day after the Town adopted a nine point plan, which was passed out by
the members of the United Southold party, passed out in shopping centers, and
to people at the post offices, and all over town, which said, that the day after we
adopted a nine point plan-the Town has no plan. So, come on, Larry, you want
to take up a political forum, let's keep it outside the Town Hall. We made no mention
of that inside here at the Town Hall. It's only because you're bringing it up, that
I'm even mentioning it. This is not a Town Board matter. You're sensitivity is
noted. You've become terribly sensitive in the last couple of months although you
sat there on the Committee, and Iobbyed as Johanna did before for the town to bury
garbage in the ground in an unlined Landfill. Now, if you want to get into it,
that's what it's about. That's what it's about. So, there was no action. There was
no moving ahead, and there .was no contingency plan. Now, let's be this back outside
the Town Hall, where it belongs. It never should have been here in the first place.
LARRY TUTHILL: That why don't you come to the Task Force, and tell us that
you were displeased with what we were doing?
COUNCILMAN PENNY: We did over and over again.
LARRY TUTHILL: You never came to the Task Force.
COUNCILMAN PENNY: Through the Chairman. We had many, many meetings with
the Chairman, and said that we can't continue to go on this forever. There was
continually, and endless debate at the Town Board level.
SIJPER..V.I,SOR HARRIS: Councilman Wickham is next.
COUNCILMAN WICKHAM: i would like to hear Alice Hussie's assessment of the truth
of what George Penny just said.
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: I have only one thing to say, and that is whatever the
Task Force accomplished in the last year and a half had it's basis in what had gone
on with the Task Force in the previous two years, and ! don't want to be part of
this political debate.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Thank you. Johanna, I think you were next.
JOHANNA NORTHAM: Do you want to say again, that the Task Force is a non-
partisan group? I received' this, I had to publically say it's been criticized.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Thank you. Anyone else in the audience? Ruth you're
next.
RUTH OLIVA: I'm Ruth Olive. Good evening. Two weeks ago I told you, that
Bob Tasker had advised previous Town Boards, that an advisory referendum was
illecjal. Now if the Town Board has to take the hard decision themselves, and not
give it out to the people, I'm sure there are other Town Boards, especially when
we're passing the two acre zoning would have loved to have gone out for a referen-
dum. I'm sure when the decision whether to have the airport or not, the Board
would have-preferred to go out for a referendum, but they didn't. They bite the
bullet. I understand that Matt Kiernan has advised you as~to it's illegality..it's
not legal. You're confusing the voters. You're confusing the people out there.
And, George, don't cover eyes. You came out with a statement, that you're going
to go out for a referendum to see if the people wanted by the bag, or by taxes.
Now, you have to go..it's in your printed literature. It's in the paper. Now you
have to go back to people, and say, nope, sorry, we just found out it's not legal.
We can't do it. We wish we could have done it. We would have preferred to do
it, but it's not legal. To me it's leaves a couple of impressions in the citizens' minds.
First of all, you didn't do your homework before you even thought of the idea.
Number two, it shows of your indecisiveness. Thirdly, you really look simply
foolish. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Thank you for those 'encouraging remarks, Ruth. You can
stand up. I don't mind addressin9 you. What was stated was, and again, for the
record, that we would like to put this on a referendum for the people to make this
decision. I don't remember when you made your statement, if you made your state-
ment. I don't see any record that that was done, but..
RUTH OLIVA: Judy, would you please check the minutes of the two weeks ago
at the end of the meeting I know I stood up
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Which meeting?
RUTH OLIVA: Two weeks ago I stood up, and told you, that Bob Tasker said this
years ago.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: The point is, that we looked into it to find out if it could
be done, because this issue I felt was very important for the people ultimately to
make the decision. It's Great to have information.
RUTH OLIVA: What about the other Boards, Scott?
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Excuse me, Ruth, many information meetings were not always
conclusive of what the silent majority out there was, because they didn't have time
to participate to Town Board meetings, because they were too busy trying to make
a living, tryin9 to exist in today's world.
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RUTH OLIVA: You should have had a few more meetings.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: I'm not going to debate with you, Ruth, please.
RUTH OLIVA: Then don't debate here.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: I'm not. I have the floor. You do not. Also, the Town
Attorney, when he found out the information, gave it to the Town Board yestereday.
That information in reference to referendums was because we are a municipality.
There are other fire districts, school districts, and so on, which are allowed to
do this. You don't know this.
RUTH OLIVA: Yes, .| do.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Which are allowed to do this. This Town could have been
allowed-to do it if it was in reference to bonding, and so on like this, however,
they had been advised not to take this. It doesn't mean that'the Board still could
have moved in this direction, however, I felt it very important for the people of
this town to have that decision in front of them, that they could make the ultimate
decision. It's unfortunate, and Tom was objecting to it all along, he never wanted
to go to referendum, which is unfortunate, as such I remember 1989 somebody else
didn't want a compost plant to go to referendum. I feel it's important for people
to have an opportunity in this town to voice their opinion on matters of this impor-
tance. Fl. owever, it's very important to recognize that the research was done.
RUTH OLIVA: After the fact.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: The research was done many times, information was decimated
for research, and then the information comes back, Nothing was cast in stone.
Nothing was permanently done. That's why it went to research as all towns do.
That's how government functions. There is no way that any government, that exist
'today, can go out, and say explicitly this is what's going to happen. If they want
to move in a direction they research to find out if they can move in that direction.
T.hat is perfectly legitimate, and that's what this town has done, as well as many
other towns, that have moved in directions similar to these from various matters.
I'm pleased that the research was initiated. That's why it was sent to the Town
Attorney's Office. That was why it was not just blanketly done, and imposed. That's
what the Town Attorney's Office is for. They have rendered the decision. The deci-
sion has been given as far as the Board, obviously, not moving in that direction.
However, I'm still deeply disappointed that the people in this town did not have
an opportunity, the silent majority that's out there, to express their opinion on
how they would like to pay for solid waste in the future. The Town has moved
on how to .pay for it by the bag, and that's what we're doing. It never was the
case on what we were going to do. That has been finished and finalized. What was
expressly understood was what the future would hold for those individuals, who
wanted to express their opinion, a referendum is certainly the way to do it, as was
done in 1989, if you remember on another issue.
RUTH OLIVA: That Was due to a bonding issue, that was subject to permissive
referendum. Let me finish now. I have the floor. I have the floor. It was subject
to a permissive referendum. We kn'ew the votes were out there to have it, so instead
of having people go out, and collect the votes, they put it on for referendum, because.
it was a bonding issue. It's entirely different from advisory referendum, and I
thank you, sir, for your political speech tonight.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: It was no political speech, but I thank you, Ruth, again,
for bringing it to our attention, because I was going to mention at the end of the
meeting that we were advised of`this, but that issue is now clear, and thank you,
again, and again I'm deeply disappointed that we don't have the voters at this time
given that opportunity. Mr. Sigmann?
ED SiEGMANN: Ed Siegmann, and I'm representing Southold TaxPac in reference
to this. First of all, I'd like to know where the Ken Reeves issue stands?
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: I think two weeks ago, that was referenced to you that
still is under the Town Attorney's Office were still working on that. Harvey, would
you like to alaborate on that at that?
HARVEY ARNOFF: It's still in litigation of determination (tape change.)
ED SIEGMANN: Possibly the Town could stop paying for two people for one job,
which you took, or the Board took a position at time, that there was only a half
a job there. Now, we got two people getting paid for it.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Mr. Siegmann, I am not liberty, or is this Board, to discuss
that~ That is under litigation. Those discussions that take place are, again, under
Executive priviledge, and I'm allowed to comment on it.
ED SIEGMANN: Let me suggest something to you, that if you speak to Mr. Hilary,
maybe he'd be willing to back off on his contract up to December 31st, and I'll give
you a could~, of negotiating reasons. Number one, he received $66,800.00 pension
from the taxpayer right now from his school district, and he also was paid $42,000.00
in cash on unpaid sick leave, when he [eft his job. So, maybe if you can convince
him that since he:s got over $100,000.00 of the taxpayers' money being paid to him,
that possible he'd be w.illing to back off on the last few months of the contract,
because I don't think that the public should have to pay for two people doing their
job, which the courts have told you, that you should put the man back on his job.
Also, while I!m on the subject of Ken Reeves, now that you're adding all of these
other programs to the job up there with some of the sports things, and that, that
you want to add, maybe you can find it necessary that a full-time job is still needed
up there, as was-when Ken was orignally up there. What's happening with Benny
Orlowski's job?
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Again, that personnel, and that's in Executive Session.
ED SIEGMANN: Did it ever take this long before to appoint somebody on the job
like this?
TOWN CLERK TERRY: We had a Board of Appeals 'member, Mr. Sigmann, that was
a hold over for at least two years.
ED SIEGMANN: Did you ever have it on the Plann!~ng Board?
TOWN CLERK TERRY: Not in all the years I've been with the Town.
ED SIEGMANN: I think a lot of people would feel better about it, if you would
get to making the decision, and not let it wait until after the election, because that's
what it appears to do. Thank you. Now, let me bring something to your attention.
You had Fireman Awards meetings from the Greenport Firemen, and part of Southold
that belongs..that gets serviced by the Greenport Firemen. I have a copy of the
minutes from that meeting, and there was some things in those minutes, that was
said at that meeting, that I would like to correct because I wouldn't like to see these
things standing in the minutes of anything that the Town holds on to, where an
answer hasn't been given to something that was said at that meeting, and am I correct
in as.suming that you were Chairing the meeting?
COUNCILMAN PENNY: Are you addressing me?
ED SIEGMANN: Yes.
COUNCILMAN PENNY: If you have the minutes, it's clearly indicated.
ED SIEGMANN: It doesn't really say you were. chairing it. You answered the
questions, when they were asked, and assumed you were the Chairman. .There was
a gentleman at that meeting, that got up, and happened to be grey haired, and he
made some comments about there were 71 fires, that are attended in Greenport
compared to 30 some odd in the Southold portion. He said he thought what that
maybe what you should do is have Greenport people pay three times the amount of
taxes that Southold people would pay due to the fact he figured that there was
practically three times more calls, that they were answering there. There was a
fellow by the name of Allan Andrews, who I understand is a Fire Warden. Am I
correct in that? He got up after the statement was made, and he said the following.
I don't want to read the whole statement, but I want to take some of things that
he said. He said, that every noon, when the Nutrition Center opens their doors,
might not be every noon he said, but I think it's three out of five days there's a
rescue squad call there. For your information there's been four rescue squad calls
there in the last year, so for a fireman to get up, and use that as arguement to
get his ~oension, and believe me, 1'11 tell you right now, I'm not against the firemen
getting pensions, and that's not why I'm raising this, because when we discussed
it at the Seniors it was recommended to the Seniors, that I belong to, that they
should vote for these pensions, that because if you had to go into a regular fire
department, it would cost you a hell of a lot more than it would have cost you for
these pensions. But, for a fireman to make these remarks, and when I looked into
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it I found out it's not true. Then he continues on, that there are the other three
days, he says, there's a rescue at Driftwood. don't intend to get into the reasons
why the rescue squad goes to Driftwood, but it's not because of senior citizens,
and I think you people know as well as I do what some of the problems are in Drift-
wood, and if you don't know I'll tell you on the side what it is, but I don't care
to broadcast it at a meeting like this. But, I'm pretty sure you know what some of
the calls are that 90 to Driftwood. Then he follows up with the followin9, he said,
I know that the opposition to these award programs are 9oin9 to come from our senior
citizens, and they are the ones that 9et the bi99est benefit. They 9et the biggest
benefit from Greenport Fire Department. I just want these people to look at themselves,
and what they have here, and why did they come here? Why don~t they leave?
of these people came from somewhere else, and why did they come here, and not
9° somewhere else? Because they got good service here, excellent service here.
Now I don't want anybody to deny that. I'm denyin9 it in behalf of many of the
senior citizens. Why does this man had to use the seniors citizens as an example
of why he should get a pension out of the Fire Department, I'll never understand.
But then he made a mistake. He said it would be $8.00 a year for the people, and
George you corrected him, that it would be $56.00 a year, and not $8.00 a year,
and then Mr, Flynn, who made the first statement about why he thought that the
taxes should be divided differently, said, may I respond? I listened to a dialogue
directed at me. Excuse me, Mr. Flynn, said Councilman Penny, but that was in
response to your comment. I read over a dozen times the comments of Mr. Flynn,
and nowhere in his conversation does he mention anythin9 about a senior citizen,
about tl~e Nutrition Center, or any place else, so the comments that were being made
by this fireman did not come as an answer to Mr. Flynn. They were thin9s that
was on his own mind, and if he hears, I wish he would pick up a copy of the
minutes of what I'm sayin9 now, the way I went out, and picked up a copy of the
minutes that came from his meetin9. I'd like him to understand somethin9. The
senior citizens in this town do many voluntary jobs, from hospitals, Schools, orgam-
zations in town, and they don't shop around Iookin9 for pensions for voluntary work
that they did, even though say this st 11 say I'm in favor of the Firemen's Pension,
but they shouldn't use the senior citizen as an arguement to get their pensions. Thank
you.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Councilman Penny.
COUNCILMAN PENNY: Ed, I would just like to say, that that was a very, very
delicate evening, and Mr. Flynn made some comments, and Mr. Andrews made some
comments, and they were both getting to the point of becoming so emotional, that's
why I tried to call it to a close, because it was not becoming productive. It was be-
coming a heated debate between two members of the audience, which we tried to
discourage. Yes, the comments that Mr. Andrews made, when he started they were in
response to some of the things that Mr. Flynn had said. However, he veered from
that 'greatly, so I'm not supportin9 what Mr. Andrews said, and I'm not puttin9 down,
or supporting what either one of them said, but it got to be an emotional debate
between two people in the audience. It was really becoming emotional, and unproductive
for the purposes of our meetin9, and that's why I called it to a close, and I would
do that under any curcumstance, and I'm sorry that you didn't find, or you don't
see the tie in it, but you really had to be there that night.
ED SIEGMANN: I agree with what you're saying partially, except Mr. Flynn, and
you can read over everythin9 that Mr. Flynn said, he never got into discussion on
who was the cause of anythin9. All he said, his entire arguement was, that he
thought the tax should be divided differently than it was. That's the only arguement
that Mr. Flynn was arguing about, so why this fireman had to direct all these other
thi~' at him I just don't' understand, and I tell you, I 9et pretty emotional myself
whAi~'l hear these things said, especially when I 9° around town, and I see all the
places that senior citizens are voluteerin9 their work, in the schools with helpin9
children read, in the churches, and every place else, and then for somebody to say
to me, why did you come out' here? Why didn't you go someplace else? I'll tell you
why I came out here, and many people came out here for the same reason. We used
to vacation out here. We used to spend our money out here. It was nice to have
us, when we were vacationers, and we would dump our dough in the town, but then
when we came here because we liked it so much, and we want to stay here as a
permanent party I don't think that this is the way to thank us for the money that
spent in the town over the years.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: All the way in the back, and then Mr. Golder you're next.
FRANK CARLIN: I'm always next to the last one. Before start, wrote a ittle
slocjan down..Frank Carlin from Laurel, beat you [o it. I wrote a slogan down before
I start what I want to say tonight. You should change until now to election day,
you should change the heading from $outhold Town Board meetings to Southold Town
Political Election meeting, because that's what it seems like to me tonight. I don't
want to create a fire that was out, but I must say what I want to say tonight.
was going to speak on some other subiect, but I put it on the side to speak on this.
What I'm talking about tonight is food. We went through this thing with McDonald's --
here in Southold wanting to open up a fast food restaurant. You went through years
of studying, and three public meetings, and all this, and the Zoning Board of Appeals
studied it, and they come out with the conclusion, and said, fine, but no drive-
through window. Okay, they backed out. They didn't want it. A budget thing
comes aloncd, and says, well, we would like to open up a fast food restuarant, and
we don't want a drive through window, yet I don't see none being built. Instead 1
hear some resistance again, like the environment, the environment. Well, let me
tell you something ric3ht now, but this is a touchy subject to me. If a fast food
restaurant creates any kind of an environment, danger, then they should be closed
down all over the world, and they should be wrong, and $outhold should be right,
and as far as the traffic goes, we're creating traffic here every year as we go along
anyway. If you want tourism, you want tourism in this town, you've got to have
traffic. You can't have your cake and eat it. I take my hat off again to Riverhead
Town, because this summer Wendy's was built, a Tacos is being built, a factory outlet
center is going to opened up, possible skating rink is going to be opened up. They're
buitding'a composting plant. They're moving. $outhold is standing still. I told back as
far as when .Sill Pell was Supervisor, that this Town is back in the stone age, and
I still say, and I'll stand by, that you're twenty years, thirty years behind the times.
People stop at my stand. They ask me in the summertime, Mr. Carlin, is there any
fast food place where we can cjet a sandwich or a h~mburger? I got to tell them,
no. There none here for thirty miles. Oh yes, if you want you can get on a ferry,
and go to Conecticut you'll get one. What about polution? I'll give you some examples
about polution, and the environment. How about on the Expressway, and 495. I
see 18 wheelers go by us, pumping out the black smoke. Nothings said. How many __
of you trave the New Jersey Turnpike, Elizabeth, Trenton, see the smoke stacks,
polutions being put out. Nothings said. Now, how many of you have traveled down
495 in Georgia? Looking over towards the left side over there, far away che~dcal
factories putting out chemicals, that you can smell in your car, with the windows
closed, like iodine. How many of these helicopters are out there spaying insecticides
all over these crops, that you can smell for miles? Is a fast food restaurant any
more dangerous than this? What's wrong with this town, that we have something
against a fast food restaurant, and all of sudden we have a Dunkin Doughnuts? We
have pizza up ~n Mattituck. We have ice cream parlors. We have delicatessens. We
have the Subway. What's wrong with one fast food restaurant in Mattituck? The
traffic? What traffic? I can tell you something about traffic. You go along here,
I'm not mentioning the facility, you go along here in Peconic on a Sunday afternoon,
and you'll see cars lined up on both sides, you want to talk about trafffic. What
is it? I don't understand it. I do not understand why you don't want fast restaurant
in this town. What made me feel. bad, really sick almost, when my brother-in-law,
and I, and my wife, this summer was in McDonald's in Riverhead. We're sitting there
having somethincj to eat, and in drives a school bus, loaded with kids from Mattituck,
that come to Riverhead to have somethinc~ to eat, so don't tell me that children don't
like to go into a fast food place. I'm not going to buy that, and 1'11 tell you another
thing. I let my grass grow under my feet on McDonald's, because you know why?
I sat back, and I figured this will never happen 'n $outhold Town. Who doesn't want
a fast food restaurant? Good for you. So, it happened. This time I'm not letting
the grass grow under my feet. I might be one out of twenty thousand in this town,
that wants a Burger King, and I'm going to stand behind this. I want one thing
on the record, too. I have no stock n any of these fast food companies, and I
don't have any interest in these, but this town has cjot to move ahead, and let's
stop these organizations trying to run us. Make },our own decision. What's wrong
with one fast food restuarant? Tell me that, and if you think of a good reason,
I might want to buy it, but I don't see where, when all over the world, there's no-
thing wrong with them. The amount of garbage that they'll create, if we can't
handle that in this town, that residual garbage, then our garbage system is really
in bad shape, and Councilwoman Hussie, I have something for you, one comment for
you.
COUNCILWOMAN HU$SIE: Can I comment on what you just said? The fast food
restaurant situation is not before this Board.
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FRANK CARLIN: I'm talking open meeting.. I know it's not before the Board, but
he said. I'm entitled to my opinion at an open meeting, and at the Town Board.
I've got one thing for you. Several months back you said in the paper one of your
comments read like this, that, well, I don't know if a Burger King would more or
less beneficially make out here in the wintertime, meaning that the tourists are not
out here. That's none of your concern. That's Burger King's responsibility to worry
about, if they're going to make out in the wintertime with their business or not,
so don't start using that as one of your excuse. Alright? But, let's move in this
town. You know I walked out of here one night, and a gentleman outside here, said
to me, Mr. Carlin, you spoke well that night, tonight, if the people would only listen
to you. Well, I don't have no control of that, but I will .say this, .the people better
start sitting up in this town, and taking notice of what's'going on, because we ain't
going nowhere. We're behind the times. We're behind the times, and that's a!l there
is to it. We don't want one fast food restaurant in this town, when you have these
other, kinds of restaurants. How come? Ail these other restaurants go up .with no
problem. Everybody else can have things going up. What is it about a fast food
restaurant that we don't like? Is there something about it :ye don't like? What? I
don't understand it. 1'11 fight this until the day I die, but that's what ~ believe
in. A lot of people come to me, and say, what's the matter with Southold Town?
DOn't 'they want progress? You got to keep one thing in mind in this town. If you
want progress, you must sacrifice a little bit. If you want tourism, you going to
have traffic. Thank you.
SUPERVI.SOR HARRIS: Thank you, Mr. Carlin. Mr. Golder?
BILL GOLDER: My name is Bill Golder. I've beena resident here for quite a~vhile
now, since I got out of the Navy, and I came back here. I was born, and brought
up, out here. I came back here, because this is one of the few places that has
remained the way it is. Everything else I saw where I used to go hunting rabbits,
then' they put buildings there, and now, super buildings, and it's a mess. They
come out here, because you can relax, and take life easy. I am at 77, I would say
a senior, senior citizen. But, I'm getting so that I'm ashamed to be a senior citizens,
because all I see is handouts against the school, handouts against this, handouts
against that. These people come out here, and then they want to tie a little pink
ribbon around it, and do things their way. if they came out here in the first place,
they like it the way it is, why not leave it the way it is? Now, I figure that the
number,unfortunately, those that you hear of, those who are complaining, if they
weren't going to have fire in their house, they say, let's get rid of the fireplug.
If they knew they weren't going to be in trouble, somebody breaking into their place,
we can get rid of the Police Department. What do we need them for? 'They're over-
paid and so forth, and so on. Then the only thing they can really take a smack
at, that I know of, is the schools. But, what they don't realize is that most of that
is already taken care of. They can't fight, and salaries, and so forth, but, as I
say, I'm getting disgusted to be a senior citizen. That's all there is to it. Of course,
the alternative l'm not in favor of that either.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Thank you, Mr. Golder. Mr. Siegmann.
ED SIEGMANN: I'm surprised to hear a senior citizen say what was just said, because
the break that is gotten in the schools, the person to get a break has to earning
less than $16,000.00 in most cases, and if somebody earning $16,000.00 is expected
to pay $4,000.00 out of that $16,000.00 for taxes, plus a lot of other things that
he's obligated to spend for, possibly $5,000.00 or $7,000.00 to cover himself on
medical expenses, I would surprised, that anybody would feel ashamed that those
people are asking for help in some fashion. Now, as far as the people not being able
to do-.anything about it, l'.d like.to bring something to your attention. Finally in
the first negotiations,, that took place this past year in the Mattituck-Cutchogue School
District with the CSEA, the people that represents the CSEA, agreed with the Matti-
tuck-Cutchogue School District, that any new people being hired would have to pay
25% of their medical coverage, any of those people retiring in the future would have
to pay 50% of their medical coverage after they retire. So, I would not give up hope,
that something can not be done with some of these outrageous things that take place
here. You just have a teacher, that retired out of the Mattituck-Cutchogue School
District that just got a pension of just short of $50,000.00 a year. I don't argue
about his pension, but he was paid $47,000.00 in a lump sum for unpaid sick leave.
Now, you tell me that it's honest for a teacher to take $47,000.00 out of the taxpayers'
pocket out here for unpaid sick leave. The only answer I can get that is if these
teachers can save all that unpaid sick leave, until they leave, to collect $40,000.00,
$45,000.00 and higher thOusand dollars, then the gratuity that they have for sick
leave must to hard to swap with. I, as a senior citizen, would hope that not too
many senior citizen feel, that something can not be done about some of these unfair
business. The things that I've seen being fought for are not things that are
belittling to a senior citizen. Thank you.
FRANK CARLIN: I've lived in Laurel for forty years, so I'm not out here from the
city, and come out to find out what it's like to retire. I've lived here for foffty years.
I forgot to mention. Think of the revenue that would bring into the town. Think
of the jobs it would give the children, and did you know that ~AcDonald's, Ronny
McDonald House, how much money that generates for children. How much that donates.
Did you people forget that? ~
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Mr. Golder, did you have your hand up? Is there anybody
else from the audience?
BETTY' ROSS: Just for a point of o~der on Fishers Island. is Fishers Island a
separate garbage district?
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Yes, it is.
BETTY ROSS: I wanted to point out, that..My name is Betty Ross, and I just wanted
to point out, that if you had been successful in getting the referendum on the ballot,
that the people on Fishers Island would have been voting on something that would
not have affected them, and would have only affected people in Southold Town,
and presume that you all had considered that in your proposal.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS. Mrs. Ross, that subject was broached a number of weeks
ago, and it was always the understanding of this Board that Fishers Island was
excluded from anything in reference to the Solid Waste District over here.
BETTY ROSS: I thought it was on the ballot.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: It,s for this district only, and it would be for voters within
this district.
BETTY ROSS: Fishers Island has a separate ballot for..
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: The voting machine over there, if it was allowed to be done,
which apparently it isn't, but the machine over on Fishers Island would not have
that proposition on the top of it. That's all.
BETTY ROSS: Thank yod.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Is there anybody else? I'd just like to mention a couple
of things in closing. First of all, I'm pleased today to inform you, that we have
officially closed on the Southold Town Human Resource Center, the new building in
Mattituck. It officiall'/ belongs to the people of Southold Town, which I think is
a cjre~t thing for this township, and will be a great thing for the future, and I'm
looking forward again to the grand opening, which hopefully will take place in the
near future. Secondly, John Bredemeyer, our Town T~ustee, if you would in your
prayers for his family. Mr. Bedemeyer had just undergone major operation, and
surcjery, as of Thursday, and is recovering I'm pleased to report. So, if you would
in your prayers, and if you had a chance send a card to the family. I'm sure it would
be appreciated. They have been going through a lot in the last few months with
this young man, including his folks, who have extremely worried about him. Also,
just in closing, I'd like to say that the Board continues to move ahead with many
of the .recreational facilities, that it started with recently. The new ballfield is being
constructed on Peconic Lane. You can go up and take look at that. That is part of
the overall major plan for recreation for this town. You can see, it's going to be
reseeded very shortly. There' will be soccer fields, and the light. Many of you
probable saw the overlight plan already, but if you haven't had a chance to see it,
get a hold of Mr. Richter in the Town Engineering over in the Highway Department,
and take a look at the plans. I think you'll find them to be a great thing for the
people of this town in the future, and most of that work is being done through the
graciousness of the Superintendent of Highways, and his personnel saving a tremen-
dous amount of money from having to contract that out to an outside vendor, and
I applaud Ray JacObs for his work in that. Yes, Mr. Siegmann?
ED SIEGMANN: Probably you just didn't think of it, but I'm very happy to see that
Venitia McKeighan has started a program up at the Peconic Center for the children
of the people, who they have the family working, and they need someone to take
care of a child between 3:00 o'clock in the afternoon and possible 5:00, 5:30 in the
afternoon, it's very good that the Town is getting into those things, because the
young people need that, especially with the fact that most of them have to work,
a lot of them have to work two jobs today.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Two weeks ago, Ed, I brought that up to the Board, and
thank Ve for her initiative, and her needs assessment, which she did, and we put
that program in place two weeks ago, and hopefully we'll be starting very shortly
up there, five days a week, two hours a day for those families that certainly need
child care for a couple of hours a day in the afternoon.
ED SIEGMANN: Maybe it will help the feeling that everything is being done just
for one group. Maybe we can do it for everybody.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Absolutely. With that, I entertain a motion to adjourn.
Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Councilman Penny, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board meeting be and hereby is adjourned at 9:30 P.M.
Vote 'of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Councilman Wickham, Councilman Penny, Supervisor Harris.
This resolution was declared duly ADOPTED.
Judith T. 'l=err-y
Southold Town Clerk