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SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
JULY 25. 1995
WORK SESSION
Present: Supervisor Thom~as Wickham, Councilman Joseph J. Lizewski, Councilwoman
Alice J. Hussie, Councilman Joseph L. Townsend, Jr., Councilwoman Ruth D. Oliva,
Justice Louisa P. Evans, Town Cl~rk Judith T. Terry, Town Attorney I_aury L.
Dowd.
9:15 A.M. Barbara Sommers, North Fork Women's Resource Center, Sue Madigan,
Chairperson of the Board, and Executive Assistant James McMahon, met with the
Town Board to seek an additional $9,000 funding for the center. The $4,600
funding received from the Town for 1995 has been exhausted, and without additional
funds they will be unable to keep the center going. The NFWRC expected to get
$12,000 in federal funding this year, but the competitive grant was cut. Mr.
McMahon advised that the Town expects to recapture ~$9,200 from the sale of a
HUD funded rehabilitated house once the house is sold. Supervisor Wickham,
~3ouncilman Lizewski, and Councilwoman Oliva said they would support the proposal,
and Councilman Townsend said 'he would also, subject to the approval from HUD on
this type of expenditure of the funds. Councilwoman Hussie and Justice Evans said
they are not in a position to make a decision, as the Board has not established
criteria for contribution~ to not-for-profit organizations.
9:35 A.M. Rosemary McCamish, Director of the North Fork Parish Outreach, met
with the Board to request a grant for 1996. The North Fork Par. ish C~utreach
spent over $25,000 on client's needs during 1994, for food, health care, housing,
transportation, food vouchers, economic assistance, day care, and numerous other
services, assisting 3,982 clients. Their funds come solely from contributions from
the ~ community, and a thrift shop. Ms. McCamish was advised she should seek
funding from a wider area of community. Councilwoman Hussie and Justice Evans
again said they will need criteria before making a commitment. Councilman Towr~send
said ~he has been in communication with the Lois Atkinson, Presiden~ of the Town
CSEA unit, and has proposed that the CSEA establish fund for the Town employees
to contribute to worthy cases. He .said this could also be expanded to include
contributions from elected officials. Ms. McCamish received no commitment from the
Town Board for 1996 funding for her program.
t0:20 A.M. The Board discussed' ~he pending decision on the Cichanowicz change
of zone petition, in attendance was ~the applicant, Frank Cichanowicz III, Nell
Cichanowicz, and their attorney Rudolpl~ H. Bruer. The proposed resolution (25),
containing specific conditions for covenants and restrictions, as prepared by the
Town Attorney, was reviewed and approved by Mr. Cichanowicz and Mr. Bruer.
10:30 A.M. William S. Midgley, Jr. met with the Town Board to discuss his offer
to sell two parcels of his property to the Town. The two parcels, located on
Haywaters Cove and Baldwin Creek~ Cutchogue, are wetlands and there is a boat
ramp on one. His price is $35,000 for each parcel. The Board will ask the Land
Preservation Committee to look at the proposal and submit their recommendation to
the Town Board.----Following this meeting with Mr. Midgley, the Board discussed
the question of whether a referendum on the November General Election ballot should
be for farmland or open space, or both. Councilman Townsend suggested an
informational meeting be held to determine what the voters would prefer. Ultlmately
it was decided to ask for a recommendation from the Land Preservation Commission.
11:05 A.M. Councilwoman Oliva discussed a recent report of Cameron Engineering,
P.C~ with regard to their inspection of th~ Scavenger Waste Treatment plant to
determine the status of the existing toxic storage facilities. They presented the
Town with several options to bring the facH!ity into compliance w. ith~ Ar~ti¢l~ 12 Toxic
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Storage Requirements. Cameron believes the most co~t-effective options for the
Town is to upgrade the existing ferris chloride tank to meet Current Article 12
standards, provide a, new fuel oil storage tank for heating of the digester and
convert the existing hydrochloric acid storage tank to a marine waste holding and/or
treatment tank. The Board agreed they should engage Cameron to upgrade the
ferric chloride tank, and explore seeking a variance for the heating oil tank. A
final consideration is the pros and cons of going forward with a tank for marine
waste pump-out. Councilwoman Olive will discuss these items with Cameron and
report back to the Board.
11:15 A.M. Thomas Maher, Vice President of,-Dvirka and Bartilucci, and Solid
Waste Coordinator Bunchuck met with the Board to give them an update on the
landfill closure project work plan and to discuss the application for State assistance
for landfill closure (resolution 26). Also discussed was Mr. Mahe¢'s proposal for
engineering services for modeling the water infiltration into the landfill with a
vegetative cover (resolution 27). Finally, Mr. Maher advised the BOand that he had
reviewed the bids for laboratory analytical services for landfill closure, and
recommended they accept the bid of Nytest Environmental, Inc. (resolution 28).
t1:45 A.M. - Town Board set Tuesday, August Ist to interview applicants for EISEP
Aides. Inasmuch as there are not enough applicants for the Architectural Review
Committee, i~l~ was agneed to read~er,~i~:e (resolution 29), and each Board ~member
would also seek applicants for the committee.----Board agreed to the appointment
of Kerry L. Paasch as a part-time Clerk Typist for the Police Department (resolution
30), and the appointment of Connie D. Solomon as a Clerk in the Accounting &
Finance Department (resolution 31).
12:05 P.M. - Recess for lunch.
1:40 P.M. Work Session reconvened and Supervisor Wickham, along with Senior
Accountant John Cushman, disdussed the timetable for adoption of the 1996 Budget.
Supervisor Wickham said he w~uld like to adopt the budget before Election Day on
November 7th and will .work toward that goal. He then discussed the creation of
a 1996 Capital Budget.----Board reviewed a proposed resolution to modify the
General Fund Whole Town 1995 Budget. One of the line items deals with cellular
phones, and it was agreed the use of the cellular phones should be curtailed except
for confidential matters. Resolution 32 was placed on the agenda for this budget
modification.----A request was received from the Greenport Softball League for the
Town to pay the cost of the I'ight bill for the Polo Grounds for their 1995 season.
A resolution to allocate $500 (33), and later a budget modification (38) to appropriate
the funds were placed on the agenda.
2:40 P,M. - Engineering Inspector James Richter met with the Town Board to review
several improvements or repairs to the Town Hall and Human Resource Center.
Resolutions were placed on the agenda to advertise for bids for treatment of the
water supply at the Human Resource Center (34); to advertise for bids for repair
or replacement of the air-conditioning system in the east end of Town Hall (35); and
to ~accept the proposal of W.P.S. Consult!ng Engineers, P.C. to investigate and
evaluate the kitchen exhaust system modifications at the Human Resource Center
(36).
3:10 P.M. - Supervisor Wickham asked the Town Board to reconsider enforcement
of the parking regulations in Greenport Village. He submitted a proposed
resolution, and although it appeared only he and Councilman Townsend were in
support of it, said he wanted it on the agenda for a vote (resolution 37).----Board
reviewed the proposed itinerary for the August 2nd annual Town Board meeting on
Fishers Island.----A letter was received from the Southold Town Fire Chiefs Council
requesting an addition to the Town Code that would prohibit stopping, standing or
parking of vehicles at all times within fifteen feet of a fire well. The request was
referred to the Code Committee.
3:40 P.M. - Supervisor wickham updated the Board on the status of the action
brought by the Town against Cross Sound Ferry Services regarding the new high
speed passenger ferry and lack of parking to accommodate the anticipated increase
in the number of cars, Also in attendance was Senior Planner Valerie Scopaz and
Site Plan Reviewer Robert Kassner. The Planning Board would like to have Cross
Sound come back to the Planning Board to address the site plan review process.
Further, Supervisor Wickham advised the Board that due to the fact the Town
Attorney is overburdened with work, he would like to engage Frank Yakaboski as
special counsel to review the situation and given an analysis of the situation. He
will talk to Mr. Yakaboski about engaging his services.
4:25 P.M. - Town Board reviewed the resolutions to be voted on at the 7:30 P.M.
Regular Meeting.
~:50 P.M. - Work Session adjourned.
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REGULAR MEETING
A Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board was held on July !25,
1995, at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York.
Supervisor Wickham opened the meeting at 7:30 P.M. with the Pledge of
Allegiance to the Flag.
Present: Supervisor Thomas H. Wickham
Councilman Joseph J. Lizewski
Councilwoman Alice J. Hussie
Councilman Joseph L. Townsend, Jr.
councilwoman Ruth D. Oliva
Justice Louisa P. Evans
ToWn Clerk Judith T. Terry
Town Attorney Laury L. Dowd
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: :Would anyone like to move the approval of the audit
of the bills?
Moved by Councilwoman Oliva,. seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it 'was
RESOLVED that the following bills be and hereby ordered paid:
General Fund Whole Town bills in the amount of $128;633.68; General Fund
Part Town bills in the amount of $5,907.07; Highway Fund Whole Town bills
in the amount of $17,946.10; Lighting/Heating Capital A/C bills in the
amount of $69.64; Employee Health Benefit Plan bills in the amount of
$18.654.43; Fishers Island Ferry District bills in the amount of $19,855.38;
Refuse & Garbage District $143,926.04; Southold Wastewater District bills
in the amount of-$16,541.67; Fishers Island Sewer District bills in the
amount of $4,410.69; Fishers Island Ferry District Agency & Trust bills in
the amount of $886.49.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussle, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
"Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the minutes of the July 11, 1995, Town Board meeting
be and hereby is approved.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewskl,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
Moved by Councilwoman Oliva, seconded by Supervisor Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the next meeting, of the Southold Town Board will be
held at 1:00 P.M., Wednesday, August 2, 1995, at Fishers Island, New
York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewskl,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
Moved by Councilwoman Oliva, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the next regular meetin~l of the Southold Town Board
will be held at 4:30 P.M., Tuesday, August 8, 1995, at the Southold Town
Hall, Southold, New York.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: I think everybody should have copies of the
agenda, that is available outside the doors. If you'll turn to the last page
of the agenda, which was our Order of Business for the Work Session. The
Board began in Work Session a little after nine this morning, and finished
up a little after five this afternoon. The Work Session is the time to
review various matters before the Board, and prepare them in a resolution
form so we can take them up in the evening, official section when we take
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up and endorse, and set the resolution. I'm not going to summarize all of
this material that we took up during the Work Session, but I will draw your
attention to the last point on the page, which is the status of the Cross
Sound Ferry in Southold Town. There's been quite a bit of discussion
about this ~n the news, and today the Board reviewed the status of that
issue, where we stand, and where we intend to go with it, and very briefly
you probably are aware that the town went to the Courts to seek relief from
the increase in business destined from the introduction of the new high
speed ferry between New London and O'rient. We asked the Court for a
temporary restraining order, or an injunction so that, that service would
not start, during which time we asked the court to have the Cross Sound
Ferry Company come' into the town, and sort out the questions of it's
parking, it's traffic management through the site plan process. The Court
took a look at it, and as you probably know ruled last week, that they were
not prepared to grant that relief to the Town. They did not grant an
injunction. They said, no. We're prepared to allow Cross Sound to introduce
this ferry even though it may mean an increase in traffic, and an increase
in parking, and what not. But, they further said that if the Town can
demonstrate that there is significant increase in the illegal parking or the
unmanageable traffic, such that it hurts the Town's welfare. The Court
provided a mechanism to return to the Court to seek relief. We can come
back at some future time to seek an injunction, and they further called upon
Cross Sound Ferry to come in immediately, and to level with the Town as to
exactly what it's intentions are, what it's plans are, what it's parking
needs are going to be, etc. Today we discussed that as a Board, and we
basically came to two conclusions. I should say that before the Town Board
met, the Planning Board met early this morning, and the Planning Board
resolved that they intended to call upon the Cross Sound Ferry Company to
come in for Site Plan Approval on various parcels that they own, and work
with to support their business. The Town Board supported that position of
the Planning Board, and more over we're asking the Cross Sound Ferry to
come in for Site Plan Review of their various proposals, and we are in the
process of looking for additional legal counsel to help us in a impossible
court actions in ~he future, I just say from my point of view we are very
pleased wlth °ur Town:~Att0rney, who's carried the brunt of this case. She's
done, I think, a fine job with it. She's got lots of other work to do in the
town, and we felt tl~at it would prudent and appropriate to ask additional
help. So, that basically brings us up to date on the issue of the Cross
"Sound Ferry. Tonight we have a public hearing at eight o'clock. The public
hearing has to do with the change, of zone request by Strong's Marina,
Inc. in Mattituck. On the agenda, on page three or four, is incorrectly
noted that tl3e public !hearing has to do with the Frank Cichanowicz change
of zone. That's i~ot c~rrect:. The change of zone public hearing tonight at
eight o'clock has to do with the application of Strong's Marina for a
change of zone in Mattituck.
I. REPORTS.
1. Southold Town Community Development Monthly Report for June, 1995.
2. Southold Town Justice Evans' Monthly Report for June, 1995.
3. South01d Town Scavenger Waste Treatment Facility Monthly Report for
June, 1995.
4. Southold Town Trustees' Monthly Report for June, 1995.
5 Southold Town Planning Board Monthly Report for May, 1995.
6. Lawrence Healthcare Town Report for June, 1995
7. Lawrence Healthcare PBA Report for June, 1995.
8. Southold Town Planning Board Monthly Report for June, 1995.
9. Southold Town Police Monthly Report for June, 1995.
II. PUBLIC NOTICES.
1. New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, Notice of
Complete Appllcat. ion of U.S. Department of Navy Facilities for modification
of existing permit to include a pair of piles supported rails to facilitate
movement of an antenna test platform at the Naval Undersea Warfare Center,
Wilderness Point, Fishers Island.
2. New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, Notice of
Complete Application of John and Barbara Harrison to construct a dwelling,
septic system and driveway adjacent to the right of way off Peconic Bay
Boulevard, Laurel, New York.
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3. New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, Notice of
Complete Application of Peggy Heller and Anne Wyden to construct
dwelling with attached deck and garage, a driveway, walkway, well and
septic system at property located at Majors Pond Path, Orient, New York.
III. COMMUNICATIONS, None.
IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS.
1. 8:00 P.M. on a proposed Change of Zone by Strong's Marine, Inc.
V. RESOLUTIONS.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: At this time we're about to take up the various
resolutions that are in front of us. We have thirty odd resolutions. I
believe there's thirty~nlne of them, and any member of the audience, who
wishes to address the Board for up to five minutes on any one of these
resolutions that's on the agenda in front of you. It begins on the third
page, it says Resolutions with Roman number five. If anyone would like to
address the Board on any of these resolutions, we'd be pleased to hear from
you.
F.M. FLYNN: I'm F.M. Flynn, a resident of the Town of Southold. With
respect to resolution thirty-seven involving the Southold Police
Department's enforcement of the Greenport Village'parking regulations. I
would like to know, is this going to dictate additional payroll?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Additional what?
F.M. FLYNN: Payroll, additional employees, whether they be uniformed
Policeman, or some'form of meter maids?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: The proposal as written calls for utilizing the
traffic control officers, who are already assigned to Greenport to do modest
parking enforcement during the rest of the summer.
F.M. FLYNN: The enforcement officer is on the Town payroll? Are the
fines collected payable to the Town?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: The Village of Greenport last week 'passed a
resolution officially endorsing to Southold Town any and all fines collected
as a result of the Town's enforcement of such business down in Greenport.
F.M, FLYNN: Now, I express an opinion. This.assumption of duties in
the Village of Greenport on top of o,ther things, including what I understand
is an excess of /~00, 500 hours of overtime by taking over Greenport Police.
I think this residents of this town have been snookered by taking over the
duties of Village police.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: I'd just like to comment briefly, that while there is
a lot of overtime in the Police Department by no means is all of it
attributed, can it be attributed, to our assumption of police
responsibilities in Greenport. Rather it's a result of not having the number
of Police Officers we are looking to have in the Police Department.
F.M. FLYNN: That's pretty much the same thing. I'd like to know what
the. dollar amount is for this overtime, and how it is going to affect the
taxes of this community, namely the residents of the Town versus the
residents of the Village.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Well, let me say this. The increase in overtime in
the Police Department of Southold Town is a approximately offset by the
reduction in the regular earnings item in the budget. As I said, we're short
of people in the Police Department. That results in a decrease in the budget
item for regular earnings, and a corresponding overage in the overtime. The
two approximately balance out, and consequently does not have significant
impact on the taxpayers. Anyone else like to address the Board in regard
to any of the items on the agenda to be taken up as resolutions? Joe
Townsend?
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: I want to add something to that last question
or comment. As you know the Town has nothing to say about it. The
Village in this town, if they elect not to have police forces can simply
disband their police force. We don't elect to assume them. We're forced to
assume those police duties if they are a municipality within our borders.
So, to say that we were snookered, I'm sure that the rlght..that implies
that we somehow got fooled, and I don't think at any point did the Town
Board get fooled. We knew what we were getting into. We're trying to do it
the most economically, efficient way we can.' But, we didn't get snookered,
because we had nothing to say about it.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Anyone else llke to address the Board?
FRANK CARLIN: Frank Carlin, Laurel. Just before I get into these two
resolutions, I probably should answer Frank's question. Since January 1 to
May 15th Southold Police Department racked up ~,200 hours of overtime,
approximately $120,000. Resolution #34, Tom, what is involved here with
this treatment at the Human Resource for water? What would be involved
here?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: There are some potentially contaminating
substances found in the water of the Human Resource Center in Mattituck.
This 's a situation that has been ongoing since it was opened. Suffolk
County Department of Health Services raised some questions about it, asked
the Town to, please, install a treatment filtration, system right there in
the building, so as to be sure that all water used inside the building
meaning the potable water standards of the Health Department. We're going
to bid to get the best price for that equipment from two or three
prospective vendors.
FRANK CARLIN: Number 39, I see this comes up quite often on this
medical plan here.' Ninety days after..what kind of thing is that where
somebody has to wait' ninety days all the time to get paid? What does that
mean? What's going on here?
SUPERVISOR WlCKHAM: The Town is self-insured, and Lawrence
Healthcare managed that for us. They honor any claim that is submitted to
.them within ninety days. Occasionally, a hospital or a doctor doesn't bill a
"patient for longer than that. By the time the bills come ~n here it's more
than ninety days. Lawrence Nealthcar~ will normally reject that to protect
the Town's interest. If it's a legitimate bill, by action of this Board, we
can put back into the system, and pay it. That's what we're doing with this
resolution.
FRANK CARLIN: You gave me that answer three times already. I
brought this up three times already; but the question here is, the provider
shouldn't have to wait ninety days for his money, or whatever.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM; The p~oblem is, that the provider. . Lawrence
Healthcare will pay it right away. In fact, they have a very good
reputation of paying quickly. The problem is, that the bill is not handed
out by the doctor or the hospital, or however is providing the health
business in the first place, or it got lost somewhere on route. This is a
way of correcting that,
FRANK CARLIN: That's the third time you gave me the same answer.
You're losing a lot of bills around here.
TOWN CLERK TERRY: We don't.
FRANK CARLIN; I didn't say the Board directly. I just say they must lose
a lot of bills.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: There are some that go astray, Frank. Yes, sir?
PHIL VANBOURGONDEIN-' Phil VanBourgondein, resident of Southold
Town. On Resolution #1, can I get some kind of an explanation of that? Is
there going to be fees involved in this Local Law in Relation to Land
Clearing? Will there be fees involved? Is it going to be on all land
clearing, on residential, on commercial, on industrial?
COUNCILWOMAN OLIVA: No, Phil, this is just for commercial land to
prevent the entire stripping of a piece of property, and, hopefully, to
encourage people that do have trees on commercial property to keep those
trees up, to relieve them of monies that they would have to expend :for a
landscaping plan. For instance, that one building that's down by the
landfill didn't have to spend one cent in landscaping, because they kept the
trees up. This is to encourage that type of thing, and to prevent people
from clear cutting on only business properties.
PHIL VANBOURGONDE1N; It seems strange to me, that any developer in
his right mind, who is going to build something, a commercial building that
he would just unilaterally take away everything, and then have to plant it
back. That's ridiculous. That's idiot thinking to my way of thinking, but I
suppose it does happen. The other question I had was on resolution 4, 11,
12, 13, 1~,, 16, 17, 2'1, 22, 32, and 38.-Everyone of those has one thing in
common. Authorize the Town Board to modification to the General Whole Fund
Whole Town 1995 Budget, to appropriate funds for something or other. This
is about, I didn't count them, but I just named them off. It seems like
what's happened to our Budget, that we suddenly have to appropriate, or
change our Whole Town Budget? What's going on here? Is this a balanced
budget that we have?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Let me explain what is going on. In 1995 the Town
Board adopted a new Budget format for the first time. Formally we: had
general categories for expenditures. Beginning this ~/ear the Board voted to
have greater detail in each of those lines, so that rather than a broad
general term that says, for example, contractual expenses, contractual
expenses are now broken down into, for example, into stationary, and
gasoline, and fuel, and various other little components, that all make up
contractual. Under State law the Town has to stay within each of the budget
lines, that is adopted in the budget. You can't overspend. If the department
does overspend, or if the town overspends a line, we have to transfer
monies into that tlne from some other places. Because this is the first!year
we've done it to this detail, and didn't have a track record yet, as to
exactly how much money to use for each of those lines, there is a lot of
cutting and filling, and there will be even more between now, and the end
of the year. We're looking for ways to streamline this, but under State law
we are required as a Board to take a resolution, to fill up a line when it's
expended, and would go into deficit.-The overall balance of the budget is
still intact.
PHIL VANBOURGONDEIN: Okay. Thanks very much.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Anyone else wish to address the Board on any of
the resolutions before us tonight? (No response.) If not, I would turn to a
Board member to begin the resolutions.
1.- Moved by Councilwoman Oliva, seconded by Supervisor Wickham,
WHEREAS, there was presented to the Town Board of the Town of
Southold, on the 27th day of June, 1995, a Local law entitled, "A Local
Law in Relation to Land Clearing"; and
WHEREAS, this Local Law was referred to the Southold Town Planning
Board and Suffolk County Department of Planning for recommendations, and
reports; now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board hereby sets 5:00 P.M., Tuesday, August
8, 1995, Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, as time and
place for a public hearing on this Local Law, which reads as follows:
A Local Law in Relation to Land Clearing
BE IT ENACTED, by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
I. Chapter 100 (Zoning) of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby,
amended as follows:
INTENT: The purpose of this ordinance is to allow owners to take
advantage of the existing vegetation on-site when
developing a landscaping plan as part of site plan approval
and to prevent clear cutting of properties prior to site
plan approval.
1. Section 100-259 (Land Clearing) is hereby added to read
as follows:
No person shall undertake or carry out land clearing,
including grading, clearing, cutting and filling, excavating
or tree removal associated therewith, without first havincj
II. This Local
State.
* Underline represents additions.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussle,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
obtained site plan approval. Weeding( gardening, mowing
and the selective pruning of vegetation or selective
cutting of diseased or dead trees shall
not be included herein. Any landowner found guilty of
violating this secti.o.n shall be fined up to five thousand
dollars ($5,000). SIte plan approval shall be withheld
until and unless a plant restoration plan for .that site
is approved by the Planning Board.
Law shall take effect upon filing with the Secretary of
Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Lizewskl,
Moved by Supervisor Wickham, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva,
WHEREAS, there was presented to the Town Board of the Town of
Southold, on the 27th day of June, 1995, an amended proposed "Local Law
in Relation to Front Yard Setbacks"; and
WHEREAS, this Local Law was referred to the Southold Town Planning
Board and the Suffolk County Department of Planning for recommendations
and reports; now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board hereby sets 5:05 P.M., Tuesday, August
8, 1995, Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, as time and
place for a public hearing on this Local Law, which reads as follows:
A Local Law in Relation to Front Yard Setbacks
BE IT ENACTED, by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
I. Chapter 100 (Zoning) of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended
as follows:
1. Section 100-83 (Frontyard Setbacks) is hereby added as follows:
(a) Structures shall be set back at least one hundred (100) feet from th~
ri.qht-of-way.
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There shall be an exceptionJo (a) if the adjacent parcels arc.
developed, in which case the minimum frontyard setback shall be
the avera.qe of the setbacks of the adiacent parcels.
(c) A Project shall be divided into separate structures so that no sinqle
structure shall have more than sixty (60) linear feet of fronta.qe on
one street. The setbacks of multiple structures on a parcel may
vary, provided that' the average setback of the structures meets the
setback:required above and all buildinqs are at least seventy-five,
(75) feet from the right-of-way_.
2. Section 100-103 (Frontyard Setbacks) is hereby added as follows:
(a) 'Structures shall be set back at least one hundred (100) feet from the
ri.qht-of-way.
(b_l
There shall be an exception to (a) if the adiacent parcels are
developed, in which case the minimum frontyard setback shall be
the average of the setbacks of the adjacent parcels.
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A project shall be divided into separate structures so that no sinql¢,
structure shall have more than sixty (60) linear feet of frontaqe on
one street. The setbacks of multiple structures on a parcel may
yaw, provided that the avera.qe setback of the structures meets the
setback required above and all buildinqs are at least seventy-five
L7...5) feet from the riqht~of-way.
2 2 6 JULY 25, '1995
3. Section 100-143 (Frontyard Setbacks) is hereby added as follows:
(a_). Structures shall be set back at least one hundred (100) feet from the
ri.qht-of-way.
There shall be an exception to _(a) if the adiacent parcels arc,
developed, in which case the minu~um frontyard setback she be
the avera.qe of the setbacks of the adiacent parcels.
A proiect shall be divided into separate structures so that no single
structure shall have more than sixty (60) linear feet of frontage on
one street. The setbacks of multiple structures on a parcel may
vary, provided that the avera.qe setback of the structures meets thc,
setback required above and all buildin.qs are at least seventwfivc,
(75) feet from the riqht-of-way.
4. Section 100-133 (Frontyard Setbacks) is hereby added as follows:
(a_J Structures shall be set back at least one hundred (100) feet from the
right-of-way.
There shall be an exception to ('a) if the adiacent parcels are
developed, in which case the minimum frontyard setback shall
the average of the setbacks of the adiacent parcels.
A proiect shall be divided into separate structures so that no sin,qle
structure shall have more than sixty (60) linear feet of frontage on
one street. The setbacks of multiple structures on a parcel may
vary, provided ~hat the average setback of the structures meets
setback required above and all buildin~qs are at least seventy-five
f75) feet from the ri.qht-of-way.
Bulk Schedule for Business. Office and Industrial Districts is hereby
amended as shown on attached page.
Town of Soulhold
Bulk Schedule for Business. Office and Industrial Dlsldcls
NO]ES:
II. This Local Law shall take effect upon filing with the Secretary of
State.
* Underline represents additions
** Strlkethrough represents deletions.
2.- Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussle, Councilman Lizewskl,
Supervisor Wlckham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
its
3.-Moved by Councilwoman Oliva, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie,
WHEREAS, the Town of Southold ~s enriched by the diversity of
population; and
WHEREAS, the Town is a mosaic of people from many different racial,
religious, and ethnic backgrounds; and
WHEREAS, intergroup harmony is important to the security of every
community; and
WHEREAS, no form of bias, bigotry, or prejudice is acceptable in
Southold; and
WHEREAS, an affirmative program of anticipating and reducing
intergroup tensions, promoting community harmony, and fostering respect
and tolerance is in the best interests of the Town of Southold; and
WHEREAS, town governments throughout Long Island have established
successful anti-bias task forces to address these issues; now, therefore, be
it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby creates a
Southold Town Ant-Bias Task Force Steering Committee, consisting of no
more than fifteen (15) people who shall be appointed by the Town Board;
and be it
FURTHER RESOLVED that the goal of the Southold Anti-Bias Task Force
is to plan and implement programs to promote intergroup harmony, reduce
prejudice, foster respect and tolerance, and shall advise the Town. Board on
the appropriates responses to bias-related issues and incidents whenever
necessary.
3.- Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewskl,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
4.-~ Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Supervisor Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby
authorizes the following modification to the General Fund Whole Town 1995
Budget to appropriate funds for the computer system analysis under the
Central Data Processing budget: To:
A. 1680.4.400.200 System Analysis
From:
A.1680.2.400.510
A.1680.2.400.440
4.- Vote of the Town
Councilman Townsend, CouncilWoman
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
$ 4,400.00
AS/400 Software $ 2,000.00
Personal Computers 2,400.00
Board: Ayes: Justlce Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
5.- Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, i't was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts,
with regret, the resignation of Lucia Farrell as a part-time Clerk Typist
for the Board of Appeals, effective immediately.
5.- Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
6.-Moved by Supervisor Wickham, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the .Town Board Of the Town of Southold hereby
authorizes the transfer of Noreen Frey, part-time Records Management Clerk
for the Town Clerk's Office, to the position of part-time Clerk Typist for
the Board of Appeals, 17-1/2 hours per week, at a salary of $6.82 per
hour, effective July 26, 1995.
6.- Vote of the Town Board.' Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Ollva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman .Hussle, Councilman LizeWski~
Supervisor Wlckham.
This resolution was duly adopted.
7.- Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Councilman Townsend, it
was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby
authorizes and directs the Town Clerk to advertise for resumes for a
part-time Records Management Clerk, 17-1/2 hours per week, $6.30 per hour,
7.-Vote of - the Town i Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Ol!iva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewskl,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
8.-Moved by CouncilWoman Hussie, seconded by Justice Evans, it was. ,
RESOLVED that the 'Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby requests
the New York State Department of Transport to conduct a traffic survey on
Eugene's Road, Cutchogue, from New York State Route 25 to Skunk Lane,
for the purpose of reducing the speed limit.
8.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Supervisor Wlckham.
This resolution was dUly ADOPTED.
9.-Moved by Justice Evans, Seconded by Councilman Townsend, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts,
with regret, the resignation of Patrlcia A. Isaksen, member of the
Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council, effective immediately, 'and
extends to Ms. Isaksen their sincere thanks and appreciation for the time
and expertise she devoted to the position.
9.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussle, Councilman Lizewski,
". Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
10.-Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby
authorizes and directs the Town. Clerk to advertise for resumes for one (1)
member of the Conservation' Advisory Council to replace Patrlca
isaksen.
10.-Vote of the Town Board:. Ayes': 'Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussle, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED;
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Resolution #11, a budget modification' to cover
costs for additional beach supplies, the Board is going to hold tonight,
until we do a little more research on it.
12.-Moved by Councilwoman Ollva, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the, Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies
the General Fund Whole Town 1995 Budget to appropriate funds for the
recent payment of vacation time to a PBA member:
To:
A3120.1.100.300 Police, full Time Employees
Vacation Earnings
From:
A3120.1~100.100
Police, Full Time Employees
Regular Earnings
12.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
$ 4,300.00
$ 4,300.00
Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Lizewski,
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13.-Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the ToWn Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies
the General FUnd Whole town 1995 Budget to appropriate funds for the final
bill from Eastman Kodak on the west and copy machine at Town Hall;
To:
A1670.~,.400.600
Central Copying $ 924.00
Equipment Maintenance and Repairs
From:
A9901.9.000.00
13.-Vote of the Town
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
Transfers to Employee Health Plan $ 924,00
Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
.14.-Moved by Councilman ~Lizewski, seconded by CouncilwOman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of SOuthold hereby modifies
the General Fund Whole Town 1995 Budget to correct the appropriation for
School Crossing Guards:
To:
A3120.1.300.100 Police, Seasonal Employees
Regular Earnings
From:
A3120.1,200.100
14.-Vote of the Town
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
$ 52,120.00
Police, Part Time Employees $ 52,120.00
Regular Earnings
Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
15.-Moved by Supervisor Wickham, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies
the 1995 Solid Waste Management District Budget as follows:
To:
SR8160.2.200.400 Computer Equipment $ 700.00
From:
SR8160.2.200.100 Office Typewriter 150.00
SR8160.2.200,200 Adding Machine/Calculator 50.00
SR8160.2.500.900 Capital Reserve Allowance 500.00
To allow for needed purchase of modem and UPS power backup unit
for scalehouse. Purchase of typewriter/adding machine to be
deferred.
To:
SR8160.~,.100.350 Pest Control $ 250.00
From:
SR8160.~,.400.805 MSW Removal 250.00
To cover unbudgeted cost of exterminator to handle racoon infestation
in shop.
To:
SR8160.4.LI00.825 Glass Removal (new line item) $ 1,000.00
From:
SR8160.4.400.830 Mixed Paper Removal $ 1,000.00
To cover costs for removal recyclable glass. District faces not charge
in glass program due to increase in recycling of green glass, which
has exceeded the income from clear and brown glass.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussle, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
Moved by Councilwoman Oliva, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold herey modifies
the General Fund Whole Town 1995 Budget to appropriate addition monies
from the New York State record archives grant:
Revenues:
A3089.00
Appropriations:
A1410.4.500.200
State Aide, Record Archives Grant $ 168.00
Town Clerk, Fees for Services $ 168.00
Record Archlves Contractor
Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Hussie, Councilman Lizewskl,
16.- Vote of the Town
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman
Supervisor Wlckham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
17.-Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Supervisor Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies
the General Fund Whole Town 1995 Budget to cover overdrawn appropriations:
To:
A1620.4.200.300 Buildings & Grounds, Utilities - Gas $ 5,000.00
A7110 . 4.100 .100 Parks, Supplies ~, Materials $ 200.00
Miscellaneous Supplies
From:
A1620.~.~00.100Buildings & Grounds, 'Contracted Serv. $ 5,000.00
Building Maintenance & Repairs
A7110 . 4.100 . 500 Parks, Supplies & Materials $ 200.00
Motor Vehicle Parts/Supplies
17.- Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussle, Councilman Lizewskl,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
18.-Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Councilwoman Ollva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts
the bid of Corazzini Brothers, Inc., in the amount of $35.00 per ton, for
supplying the Southold Town Highway Department with one thousand (1,000)
tons, more or less as may be needed of Sand Mix Asphalt with 5% AC20 -
3% mineral filler to be used, furnished and placed at the discretion of. the
Superintendent of Highways of the Town of Southold, all in accordance with
the bid specifications.
18.- Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
19.-Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts
the bid of Corazzini Brothers, Inc. to furnish and place Asphalt Concrete
within the Town of Southold, as may be required, for a period of one (1)
year, all in accordance with the bid specifications, at the following prices:
0 - 350 tons - $49.00 per ton
350 - 650 tons - $45.00 per ton
650 - 1,000 tons - $~,2.00
Over 1,000 tons $~,1.00 per ton
AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that Supervisor Thomas Wickham be and
he hereby is authorized and directed to execute a contract between the
Town of Southold and Corazzini Brothers, Inc. for the aforesaid services,
19.- Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Otiva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman LJzewskJ,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
20.-Moved by Councilwoman Oliva, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby
authorizes the closure of Sound Avenue, Mattltuck, from the intersection of
NYS Route 25 to Westphalia Road, on Saturday, August 12, 1995,
between the hours of 9:00 A.M. and 3:00 P.M., as a safety precauitlon
during the annual Summer Fair to be held by the Mattituck Presbyterian
Church, provided they file with the Town Clerk a One Million DOllar
Certificate of Liability Insurance, naming the Town of Southold as an
additional insured.
20.- Vote Of the' Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
21.-Moved by Supervisor Wickham, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies
the General Fund Whole Town 1995 Budget to cover costs for the beach
telephones:
To:
A7180.~,.200.100 Beaches $ 1,000.00
From:
A7020o~,.500.~20 Recreation Administration $ 1,000.00
(Youth Program Instructors)
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Discussion on this issue. You remember he
came before us, Ken Reeves, and we discussed this. Are these cellular, or
are these the telephones we discussed, cordless versus cellular, because
they did have to go very far? The cordless phones would have the range
range necessary.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: It does say, but I don't think it's cellular phones,
and I think it's the sense of the Board that we don't want it to be cellular
phones.
21 .- Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Lizewski,
22.-Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies
the General Fund Whole Town 1995 Budget to provide for park and beach
facility equipment parts and supplies, as well as funds for a damaged
lifeguard stand:
To:
A7100.~,.100.550 Parks, Supplies & Materials $ 800.00
Equipment Parts/Supplies
From:
A9901.9.000.000 Interfund Transfers $ 800.00
Transfers to Health Fund
22.- Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
. Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
' Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
23.-Moved by Councilwoman Oliva, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that .the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby amends
resolution no. 1~, adopted on July 11, 1995, to delete the resignation of
Charles M. Murrin from the Committee on Local Taxes.
23.- Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, ~ C0uncilw0man ' Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED~
24.-. Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby amends
resolution no. 15, adopted on July 11, 1995, by extending the appointment
of Charles M. Murrin, member of the Committee on Local Taxes, until
October 12, 1995.
24.- Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: It's eight o'clock, and I'd like to entertain a motion
to recess the resolutionS, so that we can go into a public hearing.
Moved by Councilwoman Oliva, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that a recess be called at this time, 8:00 P.M, for the
purpose of holding a public hearing.
Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussle, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This ,resolution was duly ADOPTED.
Reconvened at 9:45 P,M.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: We'll resume our consideration of the resolutions
tonight with number 25 on the agenda.
25.- Moved by Councilwoman Hussie, seconded by Supervisor Wlckham,
WHEREAS, Frank Cichanowicz III, by petition filed July 29, 1991~, applied to
the Town board of the Town of Southold .for a change of zone on certain
property located on the south side of NYS Route 25, west of Harbor Lane,
Cutchogue, New York (SCTMt~1000-103-01-p/o19.3), from Residential Office
(R-O) District to General Business (B) District; and
WHEREAS, said petition was referred to the Southold Town Planning Board and
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the Suffolk County Department of Planning for official recommendation and
reports; and
WHEREAS, the Town Board, pursuant to due notice, held a public hearing
thereof on the 13th day of June, 1995, at which time all interested persons
were given an opportunity to be heard; and
WHEREAS, the Town Board finds that the proposed mlcrobrewer¥ and affiliated
restaurant uses for this site are generally consistent with Southold's
Comprehensive Plan, inasmuch as the business uses to the north, east and west
are similar in nature; and
WHEREAS, the Town Board finds that the proposed microbrewery and affiliated
restaurant, with accessory gift shop, are consistent with the agribusiness
aspect of the uses in that area; and
WHEREAS, the Tow, n Board finds it significant that some of the product
ingredients for the microbrewery are to be grown on the southern portion of
the subject parcel, and that it is important to maintain the relationship
between the proposed business and the supportive agricultural uses on this
parcel in particular and in this area generally; and
WHEREAS, the Comprehensive Plan specifically encourages the preservation of
~armland and, towards that end, limits the density of business areas,
particularly on the outskirts of the traditional hamlet business centers; and
WHEREAS, the execution of the covenants and restrictions called for herein will
further the goals of the Comprehensive Plan and ensure that the proposed
rezonlng meets the goals set forth above; now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that Frank Cichanowicz III be and hereby is granted a rezoning of
the following-described property from Residential Office (R-O) District to
General Business (B) District conditioned upon the immediate execution and
recordation of covenants and restrictions which shall covenant that the subject
premises will be erected, altered, "renovated, remodeled, used, occupied and
maintained for the following purposes only: agricultural/food related uses with
accessory retail gift shop uses, including but not limited to a microbrewery and
associated restaurant. The covenant shall provide that a change in these uses
and amendment of the covenants will require prior consent of the Town Board.
The property shall be described as follows: Beginning at a point on the
southerly side of Main State Road, 28?.32 feet westerly from its intersection
with the westerly side of Harbor Lane, said point also being where the north-
westerly corner of land now or formerly of Fogarty intersects the southerly
side of Main State Road; running thence from said point and along land now or
formerly of Fogarty South 35 degrees 53 minutes 10 seconds East 117.00 feet to
a point and land now or formerly of Coster; running thence from along land
now or formerly of Coster South 3~ degrees 18 minutes 50 seconds East 216.18
feet to other land of Cichanowicz; running thence through other land of
Cichanowicz to other land of Cichanowicz; running thence through other land of
Cichanowlcz South /*9 degrees 31 minutes West ~117.38 feet to land now or
formerly of Blum; running thence along land now or formerly of Blum No~th ~0
degrees 29 minutes West 327.70 feet to the southerly side of Main State Road;
running thence along Main State Road the following two courses and distances:
~1) North ~9 degrees 31 minutes East 155.17 feet; (2) North q8 degrees ~6
minutes 20 seconds East 29~t.83 feet to the point or place of beginning.
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25. -Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussle,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
Councilwoman Ollva,
Councilman Lizewski,
26.-Moved by Supervisor Wickham, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie,
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF AN APPLICATION FOR
STATE ASSISTANCE FOR LANDFILL CLOSURE PURSUANT TO TITLE 5 OF
ARTICLE 5Ll OF THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION
LAW.
WHEREAS, the Town of Southold, herein called the "Municipality" has
hereby determined that certain work, as described in the state assistance
application and any amendments thereof, herein called the "Project~, is
desirable and in the public interest; and
WHEREAS, Title 5 Of Article 5L[ of the Environmental Conservation Law
authorized state assistance payments to municipalities for closure of
municipal landfills by means of a written agreement and the Municipality
deems it to be in the public interest and benefit under this law to apply
therewith;
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the Town Board of the town of
Southold
1. That Thomas Wickham, Supervisor of the Town of Southold, is
directed and authorized as the official representative to act in
connection with any application between the Municipality and the
State, and to provide such additional information as may be required.
2. That one (1) certified copy of this Resolution be prepared and sent
to the Director, Division of Solid Waste, New York State Department
of Environmental Conservation, 50 Wolf Road, Albany, New York
12233-~,010, together with the application; and
3. That this Resolution take effect immediately.
26.- Vote of the Town BOard: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Ollva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewskl,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
27.-Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Supervisor Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts
the proposal of Dvirka and Bartiluccl Consulting Engineers, at an
amount not to exceed $L~,500.00, to perform engineering services for
modeling the water infiltration into the landfill with vegetable cover.
27.- Vote of the Town Board:' Ayes; Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussle, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
28.-Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts
the bid of Nytest Environmental Inc., at a total project cost of
$23,670.00, to perform Laboratory Analytical Services for Southold Landfill
Closure Investigation, all in accordance with the bid specifications.
28.- Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
29,-Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Supervisor Wickham, it was
RESOLVED that' the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby
authorizes and directs the Town Clerk to readvertlse for hamlet members
for the Southold Town Architectural Review Committee,
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: I'd like to speak very briefly about this. The
Board recently adopted an Architectural Review Committee for the town,
which would advise the Planning Board regarding architectural Review of
business properties. The provisions of this act call for two Architectural
Review Committee members from each of the villages or hamlets of the town.
We are hoping for additional applicants. They don't have to be architects,
or landscape architects, but people who have an interest in the
architectural integrity of the town, to represent the various villages.
We're looking for one, or two, from Mattituck, several from Southold, one
from Orient, from East Marion, from New Suffolk, from each of those villages.
29.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
30--Moved by Councilwoman Oliva, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints
Kerry L. Paasch as a part-time Clerk Typist for the Police Department,
effective August 21, '1995, 17-1/2 hours per week, at a salary of $6.82 per
hour.
30.- Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Huss~e, Councilman L~zewski,
Supervisor Wlckham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
31.-Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Boabd of the Town of Southold hereby appoints
Connie D. Solomon to the position of Clerk for the Accounting & Finance
Department, from the Suffolk County Department of Civil Service
Certification of Eligibles List, effective August 17, 1995, at a salary of
$21,158.6~ per annum.
31 --Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
32.-Moved by Supervisor Wickham, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies
the General Fund Whole Town 1995 Budget to appropriate funds from the
insurance recovery for the Police car burned earlier this year:
Revenues:
A2680.00 Insurance Recoveries $ 8,377.00
Appropriations:
A3120.1.300.200 Police, Seasonal Overtime $ 3,000.00
A3120.2.500.~,00 Police, Radio Equipment 1,000.00
A3120.4.100.125 Police, Law Book Service 177.00
A3120.~,.200.100 Police, Cellular Phones 3,000.00
A3120.~,.~00.700 Police, VehiCle Impound 500.00
A3120.4.600.300 Police, Travel Reimbursement 700.00
32.-Vote of the Town Board; Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
33.=Moved by Supervisor Wickham, seconded by Councilman Townsend, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby allocates
$500.00 for 1995 Greenport Softball League expenses.
33. - Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Oliva, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Lizewski, Supervisor Wickham. No: Justice
Evans, Councilwoman Hussie.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
34.-Moved by Supervisor Wlckham, seconded by Councilwoman Oliva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby
authorizes and directs the Town Clerk to advertise for bids for water
treatment equipment for the Southold Town Human Resource Center,
Mattituck, all in accordance with the specifications for same to be prepared
by Engineering Inspector James Richter, and approved by the Town
Attor ney.
34.- Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussle, Councilman Lizewskl,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
35.-Moved by Councilman Townsend, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby
authorizes and directs the Town Clerk to advertise for bids for the repair
or replacement of the air conditioning system in the east end of Southold
Town Hall, all in accordance with the specifications for same to be prepared
by Engineering Inspector James Richter, and approved by the Town
Attorney.
35.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman . Hussie, Councilman Lizewskl,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
36.-Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts
the proposal of W.P.,S. Consulting Engineers, P.C., in the amount of
$500.00, to perform engineering services to investigate and evaluate the
Kitchen exhaust system modifications at the Southold Town Human Resource
Center, Mattltuck.
36.- Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussle, Councilman Lizewskl,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
37.-Moved by Supervisor Wickham, seconded by Councilman Townsend, it was
WHEREAS, that Town has been requested to enforce the two=hour parking
restrictions during business hours on Front and Main Streets in Greenport;
and
WHEREAS, the Town of Southold enforces parking restrictions elsewhere
within the Town; and
WHEREAS, the Town currently assigns one or more Traffic Control
Officers to the VilLage of Greenport, where they have ample time to enforce
parking restrictions; now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold supports
enforcement of said Parking restrictions on Front and Main Streets,
Greenport, through the summer months during which Traffic Control Officers
are assigned to Greer~port, with the understanding that revenues accruing
from this enforcement activity will be forwarded to the Town of Southold.
37.- Vote of the Town B0ard: Ayes: Councilman Townsend, Supervisor
'~ Wickham. No: JUstice Evans, Councilwoman OI ira, Councilwoman
Hussie, Councilman Lizewski.
ThTs resolution was LOST.
JUSTICE EVANS: I vote, no, with an explanation. I don't believe the
revenues accruing will come close to meeting the cost of enforcing village
parking regulations, and I don't believe that it's the right policy for the
Town to be enforcing Village Code.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: An explanation, first of the all, we don't know
how much revenue we'll gather from this. I suspect we'll gather quite a bit
of revenue, and it's not our high-priced policeman. We're paying for this as
Traffic Control Officers, who's services we get without spending any huge
amount of money. Lastly, every other area in Southold Town..that's part of
the Police budget. Greenport pays an equal share to the Police budget, that
the rest of the town pays, per their assessment dollar. There's absolutely
no reason why they .Shou dn't get the same service, since they spent the
same money' throu~Hout the Town, that the rest of the town gets.
Therefore, I'm votlng~ yes, to this.
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: I would like to explain, too. I do not feel that it
is necessary for tl~e Town to enforce Village Codes, and the a'mount of
money that would be derived from this is negligible. It doesn't count.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: I think fairness and equality demands that the
Town provide the service to Greenport, that we provide elsewhere in the
Town. As to the fact of the cost, we are already stationing Traffic Control
Officers in Greenport. They could do this additional work at no additional
cost at all to the Town, and when the Board last discussed this, the issue
that the people, who were not in support of it, posed, well, why don't we
get the revenues from this, and now that we have them, they're still voting
against it, so I vote, yes.
38.-Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Councilwoman Ollva, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies
the General Fund Whole Town 1995 Budget as follows to fund a newly
created line item for a $500 grant to the Greenport Softball League:
From:
A7310.4.600.300
To:
A7020.4.~,00.550 Recreation, Contracted Services $ 500.00
Greenport Softball League
Youth Bureau, Miscellaneous $ 500.00
Miscellaneous Programs
38.- Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilwoman Oliva, Councilman
Townsend, Councilman Lizewski, Supervisor Wlckham. No: Justice
Evans, Councilwoman Hussie.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
~9.- Moved by Supervisor Wickham, seconded by Justice Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby
authorizes and directs Lawrence Healthcare Administrative Services, Inc.
to pay a medical bill on behalf of an employee (Frank Begora), which bill
was submitted by the provider more than 90 days after the date of service.
39.-Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Justice Evans, Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussie, Councilman Lizewski,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolution was duly ADOPTED.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: That completes the resolutions before us today.
We've completed our lengthy agenda of resolutions. We heard a long public
hearing on a proposed change of zone. Now, we have an opportunity to hear
from the public issues of your concern, that are on your minds, bring them
to the attention of the Board, apart from those items on our agenda. The
floor is open. Please, confine your ~omments to not more than five minutes.
Who would llke to begin?
JUDY GRECO: My name is Judy Greco, and I live on Laurel Lane, Mattituck,
and I just have a few questions I'd llke to ask the Board. The taxpayers of
Southold are entitled to know the answers to the following questions
regarding the proposed YMCA. How much land is involved? The Suffolk
Times first reported that two acres were required, but their subsequent
article on June 22nd stated several-acres. What will be the size of the
building and the pool? How many members will compromise the membership?
Has this information been stipulated in writing? What is the anticipated
actual subsidy required for this private entity? What are their numbers ,and
their basis? Who pays if the subsidy is insufficient? How come there are no
accrual costs estimates for all these items, just guesses? If the Southold
taxpayers are to pick up the cost, free site of town property, tax-free
status for llfe, and a possible subsidy, then how come the site isn't
centrally located within the Town of Southold? Is the proposed iow lake site
for the benefit of Southold taxpayers or Riverhead residents? Thank you.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Thank you. Yes?
BARBARA SAYRE: My name is Barbara Sayre, and I live in Mattituck.
I support a Y for Southold, but only if it is centrally located in Southold
Town. I do not approve of Town owned land to be given away without a
public referendum to determine their agreement to this, or their opposition
to this: In my opinion, a Y fits into a densely populated area. Laurel is
not. I understand Greenport would like to have a Y. I ask, why not support
Oreenport's welcoming inclination? Thank you.
DR. JAMES HINSCH: My name is Dr. James Hinsch, and I operate a
chiropractic practice in Mattituck, and also live in Mattituck. I support a
YMCA. I also support a YMCA in Laurel. There's a definite recreational
need, but there's a topic that I think has been missed. That there is also a
rehabilitative need. On a regular basis for the rehabilitation of muscular
skeletal problems. I prescribe swimming to many of my patients, and
currently my patients have to drive to Flanders to a inadequate facility to
do that. There's a tremendous need for the residents of the Town of
Southold, 40% of which are retired, and are over their sixties, for just
this type of facility, and I strongly recommend the addition of a YMCA.
THOMAS GERMAN: Thomas German, Crescent Way, Mattituck. Is an
indoor pool for the Town of Southold a good idea? Yes, but the pool should
be centrally located in Southold, since the town will be giving away the
land, the real estate taxes for life, and annual contributions, some
unknown. Everybody keeps talking about the Y being a non-profit
organization. I remember United Fund, but we do want a pool. Tasker
Park in Peconic, or the Village of Greenport are both centrally located.
Laurel is in the extreme west end of the town, only one mile from the Town
of Riverhead. If the YMCA is located at' Laurel the Town residents living
east of Southold probably will never use it. As Mayor David Kapell has
stated, a YMCA in Laurel may as well be in another state. Now~ nobody
talks about finance, how much it's going to cost. Accommodations, and
members, well,let me just tell you, everybody in the Y is sure that this is
going to oroceed. In the last issue of the Southampton Press, Michael Puny
said, to proceed with 'the Southold Men's Club, the Long Island YMCA Board
of Directors had to set aside some $60,000. to cover funding. According to
Mr. Puny the YMCA could find that it could spend $70,000 falls short of a
million and a half to the fund raising goal, and has to abandon the project.
Where do we stand when that happens. There are a lot of questions that are
open. It's time for this Board to start doing their homework. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM:
people?
Any other comments from the middle group of
MARTHA STEVENS: I'm Martha Stevens on Laurel Lake, and I want to
thank the Board for the allowing me to speak. Mr. Wickham was kind enough
to have the Director of the YMCA, possible the site locater of the YMCA, to
call me. I had told him of my concerns about the Y being on the lake, or
very close to the lake. My concerns were quality of the lake. I have
opportunity to watch everything that's going on, and I can see some of the
negative 'mpacts already impacting the lake. It is a watershed area~
believe the Y members should discuss that more clearly to you. I want a Y.
I love Y's. My daughter and son went to YMCA camps up in Connecticut.
They loved it. They went to YMCA, Y May Day camps, musical camps,
Henry Koppen camp. My daughter is an adult, goes to the New York City
YMCA. The New York City YMCA, they have wonderful programs, and I
would love to. have them here. I know how much an Olympic size pool can do
for a community. I have gone to Olympic sized pools. I know the needs that
"they .have in order to maintain them, and I know the huge amount of water
that is used to fill them, to clean .them yearly. The people take showers
before hand, take showers after hand, and then use all the sanitary
facilities. I'm concerned about the ecology of the lake, and how that can
impact it, and all the buses, and all the cars, that .will be coming. That's
one of my: concerns. When I spoke to Mr. Trinklein, he did explain many
things to me, and I can understand that, from a business standpoint, it did
make sense ~im to want to be closer to Riverhead, so that he can draw
upon, a ~. In Greenport he would draw upon a pqpulation of
the Peconic he would draw upon a population of 30,000. In
Laurel it v~ould at least ten from the twenty-two population of
RiYE how that makes sense for that entity, and that
bus to and he said that they would then be independent of
the iSou~.hold, and not have to require any funds from them, as Mr.
Wi and that should that ever happen, which he
did dj because they are very fiscally responsible, it would
revert.:~back :to the community. After he reassured .me of that, I saw it from
another~ p~! .'..I saw that a large facility, a large Olympic size pool
can real community, as the chiropractor said, m;any~ many people
use the ,pool, arthritic people, arthritic patients, patients that are
The.yl come in their wheelchairs, and get into the pool. Young
dr,e~ are: taught: how to swim. We llve in a community surrounded by
wa people have. to learn how to swim on an all year round, basis, not
just -Mar., or whatever:,., and it's important, that they do learn how
.~o:!.swim. When '1~ was a kid in high sch.o, ol, you had to learn hc~w to swim
e~ore.'yo~i ic. ould.~gr~duate. I feel that it's very imi~o:rtant. I feb that the
~i;mn~i~g.i.'l~e~ams~, ti~er, 'should. 'be swimming teams~ .in high school. It's
Wonder,:ful"iac~ti.vity for young people, girls and boys, and I'd I. ike. to see
that, t~oo. I w~uld also like to se~ people not h~ve to drive thirty-five
mi:nute;s., or ye minutes, depending on how long it takes them,
d~endlng o come from the other end of town. I~d like them
to be .able to use t~ f, and not feel that it's a whole city.away. It
takes me thlrty-five mlnutes to get to Manhattan from Freeport. It would
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take somebody thirty-five minutes to bet to Laurel Lake from Orient Point.
It just doesn't make sense. I also feel that there are, assuming that
Tasker Park can be utilized by the Y, and that we don't have to duplicate
the facility at' Laurel Lake, and that there are personnel that work there
now, as a parent drops off a child at the park, because they have activities
that include basketball, or baseball, or whatever, tennis. They'll have
tennis courts, and they also have a recreation center. They can be
dropped off at one place, and spend a whole day going to the Y, and doing
other things at the area. It just makes 'sense, that we don't have a
duplication of facilities, and having it an area where we are not really
given the most to the residents of Southold. I was very shocked to read the
other day in the Southampton Press that the YMCA and the Town are ready
to dive into the pool project. The President of the YMCA of Long Island told
Southampton Town Board last Friday, that the organization would love to
make a multi-million .dollar swimming pool a reality by participating in a
joint venture with the municipality. Speaking at the Town Board Work
Session Michael Famiglietti, the President of the YMCA of Long Island
said, the organization will consider entering into an agreement with the
Town to either build, and operate, or manage, the proposed public pool.
The organization currently manages one in Mastic Beach for the Town of
Brookhaven, and has been working with the Town of Southold to construct
the YMCA there. He said, the Board members had invited officials from the
YMCA to the joint meeting about the possible joint venture with the
organization, and Board members have been looking into the idea of building
the pool on the Town owned Red Creek Park complex of Old Riverhead Road
in Hampton Bay. Mr. Famiglietti and Mr. Cooney outlined a number of
different scenarios in which the YMCA could work with the Town. The Town
could bring the swimming pool, and bring in the YMCA in to manage the
pool, alternatively the Town could set aside land for the YMCA, and
contract with the organization to design, build, and operate the facility.
The YMCA officials say they could build a pool for considerably less money
than the Town of Southampton, because they do not have to comply with the
same strict State labor regulations for public works projects. One reason
that the while Town Board members are anxious with the YMCA is the
organization's on-going public pool initiative in Southold, and the YM.~.A.,
and Southold Town Board have worked out an agreement which the public
pool would be constructed at Laurel Lake, and they've committed themselves
to a very ambitioUs three Dart fund raising program to ra se money of about
1.5 million dollars for Laurel Lake, which they say is possible schedule~ in
1999. No matter how the Town Board opts to proceed, Mr. FamJgli~tta
says, that one thing, he is certain the Town has sufficient year-raund
population to support an indoor swimming pool, and as in Southampton you
have enough people here, the YMCA pool will be successful in this town.
Another member of the audience, Town Planning Chairman Stephen Penny,
urged the Councilpersons to consider building a bigger pool, that could be
used for competitive events. The town could draw more people here during
the off-season if there was a f. acilJty here at which competitive swimming
events could be held. In interviews about the mee.tlngs Mr. Penny sai~ he
was anxious to pursUel that, with 'the YMCA in which an indoor pool would
be constructed with Town funds. At Red Creek Park, he said that the next
step would be for the Town Board to authorize YMCA to do this internal~
study. Councilman Heaney said, my initial reaction is to let's move
through the phase one study, in which the YMCA would study the
demographic then we'll be able. to make a better decision. Now, this is 0nly
part of this article, and. I think it's wonderful. But now, what happens to
us? By 1999 they'll have their pool up and running possibly a competitive
pool, a bigger one than they plan here, and those potential people from the
Greenport area, rather from the RiYerhead area, that they feel is going to
supply the additional monies for membership dues for the Laurel Lak~ will be
drawn off and siphoned off to. Red River. It's only about fifteen minutes
from here, and if they're going to have a big competitive pool, and a big
facility, then members will go there, so that what. will happen then? I am
also concerned that we lose the Y. I don't want to lose the Y. I want them
to stay here. I don't them to go there, and do what they were going to do
here over there, if they feel we don~t want them. So, we want them, but we
want them in the right.place where they can do the most good for the most
people of the town of SOuthold.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Would anyone else like to address the Board on
this important subject?
JULY ,,,.2 3 9
MIKE RYAN: I'll try to be brief. My name is Mike Ryan. I'm from
Mattituck. I guess basically I'll just touch on a few ma.ior issues, that
every one has touched on already. A, is the legal issue. Do we have the
legal right, or does the Town Board have the legal right to give away our
Town parkland witl~out a referendum vote? If that's true, than what other
Town parkland is being slated for other give aways? Question #2, location?
Location doesn't really make sense to me, as far as I'm concerned to locate
something for what seems to me is for the.benefit of residents outside the
town. Essentially this is subsidy with ou~ Town land to benefit others from
outside the town. It doesn't make sense. Three, the environmental issue.
Over the past number of years it has been common knowledge that the
Suffolk County Water Drinking Protection Program has been acquiring land,
or designating land, or the town has been designating land. so that,
Drinking Water Protection Program to acquire, Why put a YMCA right in the
midst of that sensitive' area? That's all Ideally want to say. Thank you,
SUPERVISOR WlCKHAM: Would anyone else ike to address the Board on the
YMCA?
RON SHAPIRO: I'm Ron Shapiro. We live in one of the oldest houses
originally on Laurel Lake. Along with all these others, I want to strongly
urge the Town Board, and the representatives of the YMCA to reconsider
their plans to build a major facility on the public land that drains
directly into this pristine body of water. Others have pointed out that the
use of this facility by so many more people that presently impact the area,
is is bound in a long term to effect the quality of the water source, which
has already be designated an emergency water supply, so that it runs
counter the judgement to make such a plan, since the Town has already
tried to sequester safe recharge areas around the perimeter of the lake. I
would like to direct your attention to a more detailed, and probable,
consequence of this plan. That the lake itself, and all the wildlife that
depend on it as a resource, to be sure of all the intricate and delicate web
of marsh, that acts in concert to clean and filter this water, would be
compromised by the inevitable discharge of pool chemicals, pesticide
residues, septic systems runoff, and environmentally persistent outer
fragments that will find way, with the help of rain, into the groundwater
that feeds Laurel Lake. We may hope that these persistent chemical residues
will break down, but it's more likely, as we now well know, that nature
'will attempt to immobilize the toxicity, by accumulating in small bodies of
cr~eatures at the base of the food chain. Some won't breed, and so there
won't, be food for others of the chain. Oxygen in algae encouraged by
nitrogen runoff will .leave less oxygen for fish and aquatic life, less food,
le~s oxygen, less population of fish. Invasive plant forms will mobilize to
spread :in depl~ted water choking out labored species with gave.opportunity
t~o migrating bi.rds. This kind of .cascade is all to easily initiated, and
pr~oce.ed, almost ~nvisibly, until it is too late to recover t?e resource. In
~act, .!as i.t no~v ~tancls ,there ~seems" little protection for th s ake. know
Of no' e~nvironm'en;l:al bvers|ght that. would monitor possible over 'it so as to
maintain a viable .l~ke I~vel. Representatives of the Fish and Wildlife
Services seem not to have at the root of this particular decision. Nor do I
no ~ce v~s~ts on a regu ar bas~s by a f eld representative to mon tot how
the ;i~k,e is being Msed. It would seem that this lake has. been left to it's
own devises to maintain itself~ unprotected except for those who live around
it. Up to the present moment we've all been very fortunate. The number of
*;hose who use of the lake, fish there, have a swfm, are aware of the
need to treat correctly, and to respect ~t's quiet ser~ene view. Those of
you who have :~ rim has acted as watchd;ogs to prevent, for
~xamPl~, the Use who's use of axle grease fouls the water,
to request catch an~d release fishing, and to call the local police when
unauthorized'camping and fire making occur. Word gets around that we love
and want to
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wildlifei that he
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t resource. As a result~ when you read Paul
column in the Suffolk Times you!.ll know that the
have a home there, and will' continue to thrive,
Green Heron, the King FiSher, the Screech Owl,
all live and hunt their food on .this lake, and so
Turtle, and toads, muskrat and fox, green neck
~ite quail. All the wildlife, who's lives enrich our own,
continue to connect children to the nature that
I=uture. To sum up, o.v. eruse' .of thii.s important
~,, promoted by c~t ng of a h~gh voume
it's service waters, and in fact, on this recharge
area ts a formula for disaster, and in a long term will be judged to have
been a heartbreaking error. It's certain that those responsible will be
remembered for their lack of (tape change,)
JIM HICKEY: I agree with Mr. Shapiro 100%, because I'm retired, and I
walk that area in the winter. Put a YMCA in there you're out of your mind.
YMCA is basically, urban, not suburban. If they had any brains the people
in Laurel Lake would contact Pat Acampora, the local senators, the DE.C,
and have them confiscate that land from this Town Board for their
incompetence. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM'. Would anyone else llke to address the Board?
ERIC BRESSLER: Mr. Supervisor, Ladies and Gentleman of the Board ,
my name is Eric BreSsler; I'm here, again, on behalf of the YMCA. I have
strange feeling standing up here. I feel llke we've been through all these
issues before some time ago. I wish that many of the people, that were
here to address the Board tonight had been here some time ago, when these
issues were initially brought up. I think just to touch on the issue
briefly, number one, a concern was raised, what about the numbers? What
about the cost? What about this? What about that? In fact, these very
issues were raised by one of the members of the Board, and I remember
very clearly what the answer to that was, and I'll state it again. The
answer to that is, we're not that far yet. The Town Board has only made a
commitment to go forward with this project, and take a further hard look at
it. Nobody is giving away the property. Nobody has committed themselves
adding numbers yet. The YMCA is not going to go forward until it's a sign
of approval from the Town that it's interested, and that it's going to be
partners with the YMCA, and that's all I'm hearing here tonight, and that
what the YMCA needs. As I said when I was here the last time, this is an
unprecedented opportunity for the citizens of this town to get a YMCA. If
this town does not step up to the plate, and do something to facilitate the
YMCA being here, we're not going to have it. Every time I turn around,
and I ook it's not right. It can't go here. It can't go there. It shouldn't
go here. Why shouldn't it go someplace else? This is a YMCA. Folks, wake
up. It's for old people. It's for young people. It's for everybody in this
town. Let us not shoot ourselves in the foot, lose this opportunity, and
then wonder down the road why the YMCA isn't interested in being in
Southold Town. We are going to kill~ it, if we don't step up to the plate
right now, and do something about it. I think that for the Town to
participate in this project is by contributing the land. I think in terms of
a location this YMCA has to make it. Mr. Trinklein and his group have
done studies. They know What it takes for this to make it, and one of
things I've said to the Board last time, which I will reiterate now is, if
the Board goes along with this, and contributes the land, then the citizens,
and the YMCA have to responsible for ~aising the money, and keeping the
money coming in on an ongoing basis. This is the place that makes sense.
The studies show it. This is not Southampton, ladies and gentlemen. This is
Southold. We don't have the kind of money that they have over there. Quite
frankly, I'm thrilled, and somewhat amazed that the YMCA is even willing
consider our town. We have to take extraordinary measures to make sure
that it gets here, to make sure that the kids have a place, to make sure
that the old people have a place, to make sure that the people in middle,
like me, have a place, and I urge the Board to go forward with this, and to
work with the YMCA, to address the various issues that people have raised
to deal with the costs, when it's time to deal with the cost, to deal with
the environmental impact, when it's time to deal with the environmental
impact. If we don't get going, we're never going to get to the point where
we can find out whether it works. Now, is the time to get going.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Thank you. I wonder if, maybe, this is the right
time for me to describe a little bit of the decisions that the town has
taken. A lot of the questions that have been raised have to do with
location, and to some extent finances, and subsidy. Those are issues, that
I think I can speak to on behalf of the Board. There are other questions,
that relate to the operati~ng procedures of the Y. Mr. Trlnklein is here. I
hope he'll have an opportunity later on to address some of those questions,
but let me begin by going back over the history of the question of location.
It was over six months ago, that the opportunity to have a YMCA in
Southold first emerged. We promoted the idea strongly, and the Town Board
adopted by resolution a grant of use of property in Tasker Park in
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Peconic, because it was central to the town. We thought it would be an ideal
community Y in Peconic. There were difficulties in Peconlc, as in Laurel,
about the fact that it is parkland, and as one gentleman asked here, legally
can we make an offer of park property for a purpose of this kind? The
legal answer to that question is, yes, you can, but it Peconic, because it
was central to the town. We though it would be an ideal community Y in
Peconlc. There were difficulties in Peconic, as in Laurel, about the fact
that it is parkland, and as one gentleman asked here, legally can we make
an offer of park property for a purpose'of this kind? The legal answer to
that question is, yes, you can, but it does require an act of the
Legislature of the State of New York, and those acts have, in fact, been
carried out a number of times here on Long Island, and elsewhere when
municipalities wish to make parkland available for purposes like this. So,
yes, it is quite possible, but it does require several steps for the Town to
take in concert with ~he State. But, the point I wanted to make was, when
we looked at Tasker Park we were, all of us, convinced, that a YMCA is a
strong asset for Southold Town, something we should look for, we should do
whatever we can to make happen. But, when we looked at the numbers, the
YMCA, there are two budgets that we have to keep in mind to make this
happen. One is a budget for the facility. That's roughly 1.5 million
dollars, and it includes an Olympic size swimming pool. The other budget is
the annual operating budget. That's roughly $450;000 per year of annual
operating costs. The proposition that ultimately emerged in discussions
back and forth with the Board, and with the YMCA, was if the Town would
make property available to a Y, they would conduct'a fundraising effort on
their own. It wouldn't require any Town support, any subsidy to build that
one and a half million 'facility. That could be done either in Peconic, or
anywhere else in the town. That's fine. So, I at least, and I think most of
us on the Board, were encouraged to think that, hey, an allocation of
property, of Town owned property, is an important gesture, but one that
would have real .benefit to the town, and wouldn't cost the town any
significant dollars for the facility. Then the question comes, what about
the operating budget, the $450,000. a year operating budget? YMCA has a
system of payment largely through membership, financing their operations
largely through memberships. Memberships that are structured in different
rates, depending on ability to pay, and residency, and all of that. After
doing their studies carefully, YMCA came back to us, and explained that
based on their operating assumptions, and on their historical experiences in
Y's elsewhere, a location in Peconic has a certain number of people within
an easy commuting range, and a membership pool that weuld draw from, that
would support a Y in Peconic, Ts somewhat limited. It's strong, but it would
not be able to fully finance the $~50,000 a year from that membership pool.
I could still happen but the Town would have to make up the difference in
amount of about $100,000 a year subsidy. Somebody tonight asked a
question what about a subsidy? If~it were in Peconlc, and if the Town were
to move ahead with that. It would require an annual year after year subsidy
in an amount of $100,000. A site further west in town, say in Laurel, on the
other hand, would have a larger population base to draw from. It would
include .parts of Riverhead, not all of Riverhead by any means, but certainly
the North Fork part of Riverhead. In effect the Y would not be a Southold
Town Y. It would be a North Fork YMCA, and the population pool to draw
from would be large enough based on expected revenues, and expected
participation to fully finance that budget, and no subsidy would be required
from the town. We looked at that, and we thought about it. We consulted a
lot of people. I, at least, was looking for a bipartisan solution of this,
that wouldn't result in a lot of wrangling back and forth on the Board, and
I was encouraged, when Jean Cochran, as Chair of our Parks and
Recreation Committee, suggested that if there is going to be a Y in town
why not consider the Laurel site? It has it's merits. It has certain
problems with it, but I would llke to address the water issue at this time.
The Town, and Suffolk County, have gone out of their way to try to
acquire properties on the northern rim of Laurel Lake, because it's
essential to the preservation of a pure water supply from Laurel Lake. That
Laurel Lake aquifer is the long term solution to good potable water for
Mattltuck hamlet, and the areas around it. It's essential 'to retain the
purity and the preservation of that water regime..A location of a facility
of this kind significantly south of Laurel Lake would impact the quality of
that aquifer. The plume of water, the movement of groundwater is to the
south of Laurel Lake,. and away towards Peconlc Bay, rather from that point
north into the lake. So there is negligible likelihood or opportunity for a
reverse flow of contaminants into the lake. Further, there are site plan
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requirements, that would be carried out to be sure that the surface
grounds, and the preparation, and the use of the property would not impact
adversely the lake. For all of these reasons the Town Board approximately
two months ago reviewed the resolution, and said, instead of the Tasker
Park location we would prefer to allocate a piece of property out of that
Laurel Lake site, a piece of property of about two or three acres, that
would trigger, and permit the YMCA to begin a fund raising drive, and to
begin the whole process of building a facility that would serve the Town of
Southold, and a portion of the Town of Riverhead. I personally believe a
YMCA is strongly in the interests of this town. I regret that no one
location would be available and accessible to everybody in the town. Louisa
Evans points out, how are the people going to benefit from this? Well,
they're not, and maybe the people of Orient aren't, and there are people in
the town who aren't. We'll do the best we can in a way that does not impact
the taxpayers, and ~o me this means a site in Laurel. There are lots of
opportunities for further discussion. I regret, in fact, that I, and perhaps
others on the Board, haven't had a chance to really discuss with the Laurel
Lake Property Owners Association, and others, who have legitimate
concerns. I understand those concerns. In fact I share them, but I think
there are answers. There are views that can reassure, and give you some
confidence that the piece of property, and the lake that means a lot to you,
and, I think, to the rest of us, can in fact be preserved, if we go ahead
with this project. There's ors more I can say, but I would like to ask Mr.
Trinklein if he would like to comment on some of the YMCA specific
questions. Yes, Mr. Gorman?
THOMAS GORMAN: Twenty years from now, would you rather have a big
swimming pool, or a good water supply?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: ' Both.
THOMAS GORMAN: You can't do it. You can't even clean up the bay.
You have the Brown Tide.
SUPERVISOR WlCKHAM: Cleaning up the bay with the Brown Tide is a
very big project. Nobody knows.
-THOMAS GORMAN: Laurel Lake is big.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: I believe that preserving the quality of Laurel Lake
would not be seriously impacted by the proper location.
THOMAS GORMAN: Are you an engineer?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Yes, I am, and I'm a research engineer with
experience in water and aquifers~ and water management.
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: Before Mr. Trinklein talks, you did quite a bit
of talking, and you used the word, we, when you were referring to the
Board. We have talked with the Y, and we have these numbers, and
.everything else. I want these people to know, that we must be the imperial
we, because I was not party to any of those conversations. We had some
people come, and talk at us. We did not get the answers to questions that I
had raised a number of times. I hear them now. So, I'd like these people to
know that we does not necessarily mean everyone sitting up here.
THOMAS GORMAN: We're aware of that.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: I think it is clear that the Board has taken votes
on these matters. Alice has frequently voted against the proposal for a
YMCA. The record is very clear on that.
THOMAS GORMAN: We know that. We have the record.
MIKE RYAN: One other question. Is it realistic to think that we could have
2,000 person membership on two acres of land?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: I would like to ask Mr. Trinklein to address the
question of numbers in membership, because that is something beyond what I
can address, but one final comment I would like to make on the property.
The Town will ask for a retention clause in the contract such as in the
event that the facility does not go forward, the property would in fact come
back to the town. It's not a give away for all times. Mr. Trinklein is a
consultant for Mission Consulting, who has been engaged by the Y to help
develop this opportunity in Southold Town. He has met with the Board
several times. He has assisted me in meetings with the YMCA Board, and !
would llke him to address some of the questions about the Y.
FRITZ TRINKLEIN: Thank you. I wonder, if it's best, although my back
would be to the camera, if I actually looked this way. Would you mind if did
that? That way you can see me, and I get to see you. I appreciate the
opportunity of being here, and I guess more appreciative that the Y wasn't
part of the first part of this meeting today, and was very interesting to
watch the process that took place. I very much appreciate personally being
involved with the folks of Southold. You have a wonderful community here,
and it feels llke a YMCA type of community, if I can reflect that from Long
Island. There are six branches of the YMCA of Long Island now. It's a very
solid footed organization, not-for-profit, that services over 100,000 people
on Long Island, and I was charged with the firm I represent, Mission
Consulting, to come to Southold to find out what the interest of the people
here Were on initiating a branch. No bias, that's partly the reason that the
YMCA goes to the outside. The YMCA is not looking to grow. They are
happy with where they are, and who they service. My study was somewhat
overwhelming in that the virtually unanimous expression of need, and
compassion, expression, of need for a facility of this kind, came from
everyone of all ages, and economic strata, and region, all the way from the
east end to the Riverhead border. In this study many things like Supervisor
Wickham has mentioned, come to the poor, and the economics is a very
important one, because a not-for-profit needs to have as much money coming
in as it does going out, otherwise it's ceases to exist. $o, the numbers
that were developed were very carefully studied. Our basis in fact, based
on population in this area, drive time's usually considered to be fifteen
to twenty minutes from a facility for the population to actually utilize the
Y on a regular basis. So, those studies were taken into account. The fund
raising prospective of the one and a half million dollars is daunting. ! was
told several times, that this would be unprecedented on the North For, and
yet the enthusiasm and interest seem to match that unprecedented level also,
so recommendations came in the form of a report to say, that this should
proceed to the next step, because people wanted this so desperately here. I
don't know, there are so many questions that came througt~out the evening,
and I could certainly talk for an hour responding to each and every one of
the ~ssues perhaps, i don~t know if there are any specific ones you'd like
me to touch on tonight.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: One question that came up is the question of
membership. How many people, with the traffic, the volume of people, and
the use of the Fake.
FRITZ TRINKLEIN: Okay, there are no plans for the use of the lake
itself now. I think it's very important to maybe start out, because the Y is
a new concept here, to recognize that the Y is an excellent neighbor. We
are currently in many communities, that are very popular communities, very
rural communities, they're rural, and high value homes, the residents have
beautiful waterways. The YMCA nationally owns great portions of the Rocky
Mountains, the Alleghenys. They have a ong experience dealing with the
ecology and water, water purity, and those kinds of subjects. It's a good
reputation that could be stood upon, but I would like to relate to the Glen
Cove branch. It's similar in many respects to Southold, and is next to the
Long .Island Sound. It's been there for about fifteen, twenty years or so,
and if you w. ere to be out there, I would like anybody who is concerned to
take a trip there, and look at that branch, and see the people, and see the
neighbors..The YMCA i.S the neighborhood. It's not something that comes in,
and does things to the neighborhood. We would hope that all of you would
be part of the decision making down the road, because the Board of the
Directors of this branch will be people from this community making the
decisions, it'S not somebody coming in from another area sitting on a Board
dictating what takes place. It's a local Board. That Board is supposed to
look out for the population here, and the land, and the neighborhood, etc.
So, it is by the community, and for the community. So, I guess, as far as
the use of the lake, there are no plans for the lake. This facility is
self-contalned facility. It's got an indoor pool. The number of members is
kind of a ~nebulous thing, but !'11 try to explain to you. Everybody that
comes to the YMCA is considered, and is in fact, a member. That goes
fromthree year old, who is taking swimming lessons for nine weeks, who
would come one hour, or I guess forty minute session a week, is considered
a member. So, if I were to tell you, that there would be hopefully developed
to the point of at least a thousand members of this branch, you might have
twenty-five three year olds coming one time for forty-five minutes for a
nine week period during the entire year, as a member. On the other hand,
we would expect that there be at least 200 fu/I-facillty members. Those are
people that can use the facility at any time.' Instead of having a membership
cost $30.00 or SD, 0.00 a year, it could be SL~00.00 a year for a full family
membership. That means you could come at any time. There are free swims
available, and swim in the pool, go to aerobics classes, work on the
strength training centers, or be fully involved with anything offered by the
Y. That would be the most heavily used type of membership, and those
people generally are the closest to the facility, also, because they might
come two to three times a week. So, this membership, and if there's a
summer camp, for example, again there's a one month period of time, where
kids are there at day camp. There might be one hundred kids, and those
hundred children would be using the ball field, or playing soccer, or arts
and crafts in the facility.
MIKE RYAN: Would they be using the bathroom facilities?
FRITZ TRINKLEIN: They would, in fact, be using the bathroom. I think
a lot of those questions...
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: The exact location of the building has not yet been
specified. There are ball fields there. Then there's a lower portion, as you
all know there's a lower portion of woods, etc., coming closer to the lake.
MIKE RYAN: But it.'s not like it expanding already as we're talking,
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Can I please finish. What the Town Board adopted
was a resolution to make available two or three acres of that parcel, and
they called upon the YMCA to meet with us, and to discuss with us, and
ultimately with people in the neighborhood, to find the most suitable
location there, balancing all factors together.
'MIKE RYAN: Can you guarantee that Jt won't spread beyond two, or three
acres? There's nobody saying it definitely will not go beyond three acres?
Somebody step up to the plate, and sign the paper, and say that.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: I don't think we're prepared to sign any papers
tonight, but it's clear understanding..I'm not prepared to offer that
guarantee tonight, but it's my understanding that the site for that YMCA,
including parking, the building, the swimming pool, etc. will not be in
excess of three acres. Now, I want to talk to their Board, and if you're
asking me to sign 'things, there are a number of steps I'm going to take
before I sign it, but that's the direction our discussions have gone so far.
MIKE RYAN: Everybody has the idea that this is going to grow, and grow,
and take the major portion of the eleven acres that the Town has eventually.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Ladies and gentleman, this is still Southold Town.
This isn't Commack, or Babylon, or that far away. We're still a relatively
small town with a relatively small population.
CHRIS DANTES: I'm Chris Dantes, and I live on Laurel Lake Way, and
I was just curious. It seems to me that Riverhead has a denser population.
It, also, a sewer plant. It would probably accomodate you a lot better.
Where you turned down from Riverhead, or did you turn Riverhead down7
FRITZ TRINKLEIN: Riverhead did approach the Y, but the express need
and desire for a Y was much stronger in Southold than in Riverhead by the
community.
CHRIS DANTES: By who?
FRITZ TRINKLEIN: I personally met with maybe fifty groups, and
individuals.
CHRIS DANTES: I seriousy doubt that, sir, because I'm sure they would
really like a large pool, and things llke that.
FRITZ TRINKLEIN: The Riverhead preference for a YMCA was an urban
Y location, which is very much outdated. Very rarely today do you have an
urban type of YMCA. That's something that decades ago..
CHRIS DANTES: Somehow I feel we've been targeted,
FRITZ TRINKELEIN: Targeted, in what way?
CHRIS DANTES: I don't know what's going on. I don't understand it,
but Laurel Lake is definitely the wrong place to do.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM; Can I please get the attention of the audience?
Would anyone else like to address, either the Y representative, or the
Board, on these questions of location? Mrs. Cocharn?
JEAN COCHRAN: I woUld like to address the Board, Tom, because you did
bring 'my name into the conversation. I would llke to say, as Chairman of
the Recreation Department for Southold Town, this project has never come
before the committee for approval, or disapproval. At one point, there was a
Work Session here, which I try to attend most of the Work Sessions, and
Fril~z was here, and the discussion was placing thls facility in the Tasker
Park area. I feel very strongly that Tasker Park area is not large enough
to support this kind of a facility. There are nine acres at Laurel Lake.
There has not been enough investigation to see whether it would fit on those
nine acres. I don't thlnk we've had enough answers to the questions as yet.
I, also, served as a Trustee for the County Board of Parks, Recreation and
Conservation. We are very, very concerned whenever Southold Town is
men.tioned, as far as .the 1/4% being spent. Always the, first thing that comes
up ~s. the ,watershed in the Laurel area. I had a meeting last Thursday, and
Dot, the gal 'that comes from Suffolk County Real Estate, shared with me
that there is another: landowner in the Laurel Lake area, that is agreeable
to signing so they have great hopes in purchasing another parcel. There are
also some .smaller parcels in that area, that should be purchased, and, yes,
Laurel ,Lake. is very !mportant to Southold's fu. ture water supply. I think at
thi~ point we're I°~kln~ for answers to question that haven't been proposed
as yet. I know, myself, I in my own mind have not made a decision as to
rather or not I would Support a Y in the Laurel Lake area, although I
suggested that as site,, because it is a site that the Town owns. I do not,
as an individual, believe in giving away Town property. I do not. I
belleve..no, I'm sorryr please, I don't thlnk this requires demonstrations.
I believe if this kind of a thing should be used, it should go to a public
referendum. Let the people decide. They're intelligent. They know how to
glwe the answers. But, where my name was brought into this, this evening,
I felt that i dj. some things. I think what's important is that
the ~ information with the public as to exactly
What idlrei s going, and I can appreciate, in fact, I lunch with
Fri~2! ¥, and I als0 suggested the bank building over here be
~ted as a ~ite; It's an empty building. It's just sitting there.
approved looking in relation: to the Laurel Lake,
Lill continue to look as to a site for placement.
thi :E wants to g've away land, that part of the deal should
~e tJ the building should be for *~he life of the building.
That way if the building, Or the Y, goes out of business the land reverts to
t;he community.' Thank you, Tom.
SUPERVISOR WICKH We've had a lengthy discussion on this. I think
one :of ~as immerged tonight is, it is important for the Town
and for the to. )laln more clearly the steps, and the status, of this
thing~ Yc :ussed it a number of times. The newspapers have
reported but it's :clear that there is still a lot of confusion in the
Publi~, and we'll halve to figure out some means of a information meeting, or
some other method to discuss the status of this thing. We've had a lengthy
period of discUssiOn. Without going over old ground, are there new
comments that people' 'would like to make?
PHILIP VANBOURGONDIEN: I have a captive audience, at last I've got
my day in the sun. I'll try not to take more than five minutes. Phll
VanBourgondien. I'm a retired taxpayer of the Town of Southold. My wife
and I have lived in Southold for the past twenty-one years. All our children
have grown, and' have moved to other areas, that afford greater
opportunities. I have a number of points I'd llke to cover. Believe me when
I say, that I was awake at four o'clock this morning, and I started to think
over what I was going to say today, and you ~ost me an hour of sleep, so,
now, I have you, you're going to listen.' First, I visited recently in the
Town Hall, and I have to congratulate the employees of this Town Hall for
their attentive, friendly, and informative attitude. It's a distinct
pleasure to come to Town Hall, and to go to any of the departments. About
the McDonald's, any intelligent builder incorporates plans for possible
future expansion, whether they are ever used, or not. That's good
planning. Now, let me say that as a resident I can not understand how the
North Fork Environmental Council has any right to ask for an inspection of
the building. What has that got to do with. the environment? The McDon~ald
Corporation can never, folks, have a drlve-ln, if I un.d. erstand correqtly
what the Town Board has stated, so why the concern w.th what a builder
wants to put inside the building? He can put anything he wants in thel'e.
He may never use it. What is the big concern about an inspection of the
building? This is just another example of the North Fork Environmental
Council's overzealous group, that keep pushing too far most of the time. I'm
concerned because I think the Town Board pays too much attention to this
lobbying group. I might, also, include in that the Task Force. I think you
pay too attention to the Task Force for too long. About the ferry brehaw.
Certainly enforce the parking rules in Orient. Then survey the businesses
on Routes Il8 and 25, and see if all the traffic does bring business into our
town. Look at the possibilities of the traffic light at the ferry dock, just
as they do in New London, Connecticut, where they stop the traffic getting
off that ferry, and 'let the city traffic go through, that g'ves a break. It
will give a break to the residents of Orient, if there's a big space in
there, because a traffiC light has stopped them. Then the resident can make
left turns, right turns, go anywhere they want in between that flow of a
hundred cars that comes screaming down through there. Now, about our tax
picture in the town. It is soon budget time, and it's soon election time. I
personally think that this Town Board is not very business friendly. Sign
regulations, light regulations, Code Enforcement regulations, of all so,ts,
"do we really need a Code Enforcement Officer at $32,000. a year? Most of
the small business people I speak to are not happy campers with this to~vn,
but feel that they can't get up and speak in public. May I suggest that you
actively pursue small' clean light industry to come here. Make .the present
process, the permit process, quicker and easier, and give tax incentives if
necessary. This would increase our tax base, and more importantly, it Twill
employ local people. Wi~h declining tax assessments, beca[Jse home val~es
gave decreased, we're going to be hard-pressed to not have a tax incr.~se
with the .increase cost of; the .PBA and the CSEA, the fire dlstr~cts, e c.,
etc. Speaking of fire districts, my fire districts tax this year is
two-thirds as large as my County tax. I attended the School Board meei~ing
in Southold last night,, and: the Now Generation if hell bent for a building
program. I call them the Now Generation, because they want every, thing
now, new schoOl buildings, new homes, more teachers. I realize this Is Inet
Town tax, but~ it is all on the same bill, and we all rant and rave whenwe
see our.tax bill. Do.. we need rent-a-cops? In this hamlet I see tWo, n~ost
every morning, standing around. Only on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday are
they necessary. Comes ~nid-August, when We need them the most, they've all
disappeared off to college. It is a waste of dollars, as far as I can see.
As I have said before, put in pedestrian crossings. It works in
Patchogue. It works .in every town in Florida, that I've been to, and
there's not reason why it can't work here, and you don't need rent-a-cops.
My final suggestion, if you are truly interested in reducing taxes, you have
to down-slze local government. That's the only way you can reduce taxes.
The Federal and State governments are trying. Why can't we? To down-size
you have to reduce the~budget of each department in the town five percent,
eight percent, ten per,cent, I don't care how much, but reduce it. ! do not
believe in layoffs, but through attrition only we could achieve that. Each
department would become more efficient, and better managed. I thank you
for your kind attention. P.S. Please review your beach permit fees. E~ght
dollars and sixty-eight cents a day for a non-resident day-trippers seems
high to me, but we want more people to spend the day, and also spend
dollars in delis, restaurants, etc., if that rate was lower, and what
happens when we restrict marinas in the town? Obviously more boats are
docking in Southold every year. Where are they going to go? This industry
is good for business in our town. I thank you very much for your klnd
attention.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Thank you, Phil. Yes, sir, Mr. Flynn?
F.M. FLYNN: I have a quick question regarding the feasibility of a YMCA.
May I ask how many members you'll need?
FRITZ TRINKLEIN: The total membership would be in the area of a
thousand, approximately, people that would use it. It would grow into that.
F.M. FLYNN: it would be wise from that, is for the Town not to subsidy
you, you would have to have a $500.00 membership from each of these
people, and you were saying that some of these members were three years of
age. I, also, understand, that you expected 200 paying a $1~00.00 fee, that's
$80,000. The other 800 will be paying $800.
FRITZ TRINKLEIN: There are different components, as I said, to get into
all the details of this description, but there is additional fund raising,
that would be depended upon each year. The fund raisers are held. It's not
completely paid for by membership. In addition to membership there's also
program revenue, that is on a kind of ala carte thing, like summer camp.
F.M. FLYNN: What is your debt service?
FRITZ TRINKLEIN: Debt service we're trying to keep a negligible amount,
MARTHA STEVENS: Martha Stevens. My concern as I had mentioned before
that if you do bulJd this pool at Red River Creek, many of the people who
are in the area of Riverhead, you think will add to the population, so it
will Laurel site viable for you, may be siphoned off, and go to the other
facility which may be larger, and have more of an Olympic size pool with
diving boards, and rev~ewlng stands, where they may be having meets and
things, and maybe even Students from the high schools here may go on
there because the pool may be bigger, have more lanes. They won't have to
wait as long, won't have to go at 5:30 in the morning in order to get a
"lane. So, where those plans initiated,after you did all this research, and
it may impact on the orlglrial plans for the site?
FRITZ TRINKLEIN: Thank you. It's a good point, that those plans, and
the discussions down in Southampton have been subsequent to Southold, but
the YMCA management would never establish another site, that would
actually infringe on another plan. So, they wouldn't allow it to occur
within a competitive., to hurt another branch. This pool, that we're
talking about, this facilitY, will be an Olympic size swimming pool. There
aren't any 'diving boards at than .YMCAs, because of the liability issues of
diving. So, this will be second rate to none, when it comes to a facility
here. This will be an obsolete top of line facility. (Tape change.)
COUNCILMAN LIZEWSKI: I would like to receive the same information.
This, we, has not been a we, as far as I'm concerned. Things that we've
discussed here I have certainly not been privy to, and I feel that any
information, or any type of correspondence, that's done, I would llke at
least a copy of it, to know what's going on. It hasn't been fair. i'm not
against you, but I haven't received., a lot of the information I have heard
uttered here tonight off this Town Board dais, I think it's only fair that
we all receive the same information, and we all are kept abreast of it.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Joe, there isn't one piece of information I've got
from the Y, that I haven't shared with the Board. I've brought everything
to the attention of the Board. The decisions we've taken followed a lot of
open discussion. There's been a difference of opinion on the Board, and
that's fine, but there's been absolutely nothing withheld, and the
discussions I've had with Fritz, and with the YMCA Board, I've come back,
and I've reported that perfectly openly to you, and to everybody else on
the Board. So, I will not except the implication, that I have withheld
information.
COUNCILMAN LIZEWSKI: I don't accept that I've been given all the
information, Tom, because some of the things that you've said here tonight,
I certainly have no paper copy, or no verbal copy of either, and I'm a
little bit surprised to hear some at this dais today
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: That's fine. You may not have heard them all, but
there has been nothing withheld, that I have heard from Y, that I haven't
submitted, and reviewed with the Board.
COUNCILMAN LIZEWSKI: I'm asking for it in writing.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Are there other people who would like to address
the Board? There's a woman in the front, who has been very patient all
evening, with something on her mind, and it may be on another subject.
JEANNE SICOUTRY: My name is Jeanne Sicoutry, and my parent and I
live at Eastwind Condominiums across from the Town Beach. I have a
petition in front of me, that I wrote up, and I have a handful of
signatures. I'd like to read that to you. I'm a little nervous, excuse me.
We, the undersigned residents and business owners of the Town of Southold
would like to voice our concern for a long-standing problem that threatens
our safety, and interfere with our enjoyment of the Southbld Town Beach.
The speed limit at that portion of Route 48, L~0 miles per hour, not only is
in our judgement too high, but it is continuously violated by the passing
vehicles. Therefore, we ask for a way to force the oncoming vehicles to
drive past this area more cautiously, and in a lower speed. Possible
solutions include lowering the speed limit and enforcing it by police radar,
introducing a pedestrian crossing, placing a blinking yellow light, or any
other signage acceptable both to the residents of the area and to the Town
of Southold. We would also like to mention that due to the paving technique
used on this road, passing vehicles make a lot of noise. A smooth road
pavement would solve this problem. I will also like to add something. I do
spend quite a bit of time walking my dog in that area, and I noticed that
the other day there were quite a number of cars passing, so I just stopped,
and looked, and I noticed that there was a light car parked in front of the
Town Beach, in front of the place where they collect their money for the
Town Beach, and I think, that most of the cars driving along Route 48
might have though it was an unmarked police car, and without exaggeration
everybody slowed down, and it was wonderful. I was able to cross the road
without any fear of being hit. I, also, might add, that the Southold Motel
is now owned by a new gentleman. His signature is also in there. His
concern was just that, he told me actually, that there was an accident that
happened, and it was..you know, all accidents are. . unfortunately I can't
think of the word. Unavoidable, it's just that the man hurt himself badly,
and all he wanted to do, and all he wanted to do was just pull out, and
drive along L[8. With the new fer~y there's going to be an increase in
traffic, increase in cars, but '1 don't know what the solution is. All I know
is that I'm there, I'm there quite a bit, if I 'could police the area I
would. I swear I would. I'd do a great job, too. I'd hold a radar gun. I'd
hold those big gloves, that you see people stop, and get the kids to cross
the street. All I need is your support, and I hope that some of what you
see here is just proof that there is a reason to look further into this
matter. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Are there any other comments from the people?: It's
been a lengthy meeting. Mr. Carlin, you're not going to be last tonight.
FRANK CARLIN: I won't be too long, Tom. It's getting late, past our
bedtime. I have some questions here. Frank Carlin, Laurel. A week ago,
or so, MacDonalds in Mattltuck put up a banner on their building
advertising to hire help. The Town made them take it down, but yet I know
that right outside the door here in the Town Hall, you got a banner strung
right across the road here. What do we have in this town, double
standards, or what? There's a company that wants to have it up for two
weeks, advertise for help, I come along, you made them take it down, and I
come along and you've got one strung across the road here. Now, if that
isWt a double standard, I don't know w. nat is.
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSIE: That's the Southold Historical Society Ice Cream
Social.
FRANK CARLIN: Fine, but why did you make MacDonalds take theirs
down for? Why not be fair about it?
COUNCILWOMAN HUSSlE: It's on a State highway. Mr. Jacobs puts it up
for us. I don't know that there's any law against that, as long it's above
the street.
FRANK CARLIN: There should be no law against these people trying to
put this little bandanna up across the' building there, advertising the
business, to hire the help. Come on, let's get with the ball here a little
bit here. I give credit where it's due, and I want to give some credit
tonight to the Town Board, if you do I'll give it to you. Alright? Now
listen to this carefully. This is important to the taxpayers. It's not the
taxpayers' money being spent by the Town Board on this legal suit against
MacDonald's. It's Linda Flecher. She's the one that causes the
taxpayers to use their money on a legal suit, because she's the one that's
filing the lawsuit. You people stayed neutral. You have to do this to defend
yourself, and defend the town, so let's not blame the Town Board for using
the taxpayers' money. It's Linda Fletcher, who filed the lawsuit, fought
with the Town Board for litigation, and using our taxpayers' money. One
more question, Tom. Two question here, and then I'll be finished. I put on
Channel 27 one night; and there was a gentleman on from the Suffolk
County Historical Society talking about Southampton, and the North Shore
here. He gets over to the North Shore, and he is talking about businesses.
So, he mentioned some things, and then he says, over there they have a
MacDonalds, and the people go to MacDonald, that was never so. It was
never voted down in Southold Town, could you can see how wrong
information gets' out to these people. This is the wrong information. You had
never taken a vote. Now, I have one question for you, Tom. I can never
understand, for about three weeks now, I tried to figure this one out, and
I could never. It was driving me crazy, man. Why you went to Linda
Fletcher's Mac cocktail party in support of it, knowing that she was raising
money to pay for an attorney to sue the town? Could you answer that
question?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: My fist question, how did you know I was there?
FRANK CARLIN: I knew you were there, Tom. Everybody knows, Tom. I
· know how many people were there. I know more than you think I know.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM; I went. I had a lengthy chat with many, many
people. I promoted my point of view to many, many people, and to be
candid, I didn't contribute.
FRANK CARLIN: That wasn't my question. In my opinion, Tom, in this
matter that's going on here, you should have stayed neutral.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: My job, as I understand it, is to try to
communicate with people. One of the lessons of tonight's discussion about
the YMCA, we have not clearly gotten our message across to a lot of people
.in this town about the YMCA. You made a comment a few minutes ago, that
you thought, in some respects, we'd done the right thing in regard to
MacDonalds.
FRANK CARLIN: You did on the part of it.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: It's important for me to try to explain what we're
doing, and why we're doing it, even to the Linda Fletchers, and the
NFECs of this world. That's part of my job, and even if it means going to
one of their cocktail parties, and explaining. There's nothing wrong with
that, Frank.
FRANK CARLIN: Yeah, but, Tom, you're telling me now, we had Burger
King issue here, walk along the road, demonstrate with a sign, is that part
of it as a Supervisor? Come on, Tom. In these cases you have to stay
neutral. You're the Supervisor here. Stay neutral, Tom.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: I've stayed pretty neutral on this one.
FRANK CARLIN: You walk carrying signs, then say, I'm for it one day,
and then another day I'm against it, and-carry a sign. Come on. You're
talking to Frank Carlin. I'm nobody's fool.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: There are other people who would like to speak.
FRANK CARLIN: I waited all night to speak, I think it's my turn to speak
now. I'm going to cut it off now, but I waited all night to speak. I didn't
have much to say about the YMCA. The only thing I have to say about the
YMCA, I live right over there by it, is it's the wrong location. It should
be centralized. It's too close to the lake, and you all worry about
Riverhead. Let's worry about Southold Town. But, it's too close to the
water, and it should be centralized. You never answered me, though, about
why..did you ever give me a right answer about that party there?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: I gave you the right answer.
FRANK CARLIN: The sign there?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM:
into Route 58.
The sign I carried was, let's not turn Route
FRANK CARLIN: . I'll tell you something, Tom. Oh man, I almost forgot
something. There's a rumor going around town that's hot, and I want to ask
you this question. That property across the street from the MacDonald, it
says sold there. Somebody told me that, that is going to be a Taco Bell. Do
you know anything about that?
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: Is there anyone else who wishes to raise a new
subject, not just plowing old grounds tonight? Is there any new comment, or
observation?
JIM HICKEY: Jim Hickey, Mattituck. Frank brought up that subject
about the banner. Why this selective enforcement?
JUSTICE EVANS: Special events are allowed to have it.
JIM HICKEY: No, no, not this banner. I'm talking about the MacDonald
banner? Why did they have to remove it?
COUNCILWOMAN OLIVA: Because banners are not allowed in the Code.
JIM HICKEY: Okay. I'll comment. About' a quarter mile east of there,
there's been a sign for the past six years advertising the best burger in
town. Why is that there? It's been there for six years, a certain deli
restaurant.
COUNCILMAN TOWNSEND: Is it a flag, or a pennant?
JIM HICKEY: A banner, a vinyl banner.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM.'
Town about it?
Has there been a complaint registered with the
JIM HICKEY: Why should there be a complaint? You have an Enforcement
Officer. Now, wait, wait. A little further on advertising propane tanks
filled, a certain beer plus the third, kegs of beer for $~9.00. They're
right out on the highway. Nothing is done about it. I was approached about
illegal dumping. Why don't I make a complaint? I said, why don't you do
something? I'm afraid of retaliation of this Town Board.
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM: You are?
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JIM HICKEY: He was. A Town employee is afraid to do his job. That's all
I have to say,
SUPERVISOR WICKHAM; Do I hear a motion to adjourn?
Moved by Councilman Lizewski, seconded by Councilwoman Hussie, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board meeting be and hereby is adjourned at
11:20 P.M. .
Vote of the Town Board; Ayes: Justice Evans,
Councilman Townsend, Councilwoman Hussle,
Supervisor Wickham.
This resolutiOn was duly ADOPTED.
Councilwoman Oliva,
Councilman Lizewski,
South01d Town Clerk