HomeMy WebLinkAboutRABBIT LANE ASSOCIATIONHENRY P. SMITH, President
JOHN M. BREDEMEYER, Vice-Pres.
PHILLIP J. GOUBEAUD
ALBERT KRUPSKI, JR.
ELLEN M. LARSEN
BOARD OF TOWN TRUSTEES
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 728
Southold, New York 11971
May 5, 1986
TELEPHONE
(516) 765-1892
Mr. Charles Luscher
Rabbit Lane Association
19 East Mall
Plainview, New York 11803
Re: Bay Avenue, East Marion, New York
Dear Mr. Luscher:
The following action was taken by the Board of Trustees
at their regular meeting held on April 24, 1986 regarding the
above captioned matter.
Moved by Trustee Smith seconded by Trustee Bredemeyer it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Trustees WAIVER the need of a
Wetland Permit for Charles Luscher on behalf of the Rabbit Lane
Association to re-install a 2" diameter water service to be under-
ground and under the bottom of the lake, and to Ted Dowd for the
installation of four 1" pipes underground and under the bottom of
the lake. This waiver is given all in accordance with the "Water
System Layout," and D.E.C. Permit issued on November 22, 1985 and
subject to the Supplementary Special Conditions and Additional
General Conditions of this permit.
Very ~ruly yours, __
Board of Town Trustees
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HENRY P. SMITH, President
JOHN M. BREDEMEYER. Vice-Pres.
PHILLIP J. GOUBEAUD
ALBERT KRUPSKI, JR.
ELLEN M. LARSEN
BOARD OF TOWN
TOWN OF $OUTHOLD
Yown Hall. 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 728
Southold. New York 11971
TRUSTEES
TELEPHONE
(516) 765-1892
July 25, 1986
Mr. Charles Luscher
Rabbit Lane Association
19 East Mall
Plainview, New York 11803
Re: Bay Avenue, East Marion, New York
Dear Mr. Luscher:
It'has been brought to our attention that there is some debris
in the lake by the bridge on Bay Avenue. Please have this area
cleaned up at the earliest possible date.
If you have any questions regarding this matter, please do
not hesitate to call this office at the telephone number listed
above.
Henry P. Smith, President
Board of Town Trustees
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Mr. Frank Heroy
Town Board
Victor Lessard, Admin., Building Dept.
Raymond Jacobs, Superintendent of Highways
Ted Dowd ~/
Garry Tabor
Trustees
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145 Lakeview Terrace
PO Box 357
East Marion, NY 11939
July 21, 1986
The Honorable Frank Murphy, Town Supervisor
Southold Town Hall
Main Road
Southold, NY 11971
Dear Mr. Murphy~
In mid-June, I returned from an extensive automobile trip
to the Rockies. Upon my return, your letter of May 23rd was
awaiting me. I put it on hold as I wanted to ascertain the sta-
tus of the Bay Avenue, East Marion water pipes, electric cables,
trenching project. I assume the Town now considers the project
complete as the contractor seeded the area on Monday, July 14th,
and the Town sweeper went through the next day, Tuesday.
There,s a cons~erable amount of debris/containing~long ~o
sections 9~ plastic ~ipe, ~rush/ and materia$ dredged f~om tHe~
lake on t~e Town RO~ opposite ~e pumphouse./I~ ~a? bee~ there
for six ~6) weeks.~s the clea~.-up t~e responsibility ~f the
contra~or or the ~own?.There/is a s~gnwh~h says, "D~MPING-
$50 FINE" on the ~ame smde o~ the road to ~he south. /
I found your letter to be confdsing as you indicated you
are in receipt of my letter of April 22nd. Councilman Penny tel-
ephoned on the evening of April 29th in response to my letter of
the 29th which was also addressed to you.
Councilman Penny mdvised me. in essence,~ that~
1. t should not expect any answers to the questions posed in
my letters of April 22nd and 29th.
I should not believe what I read in the papers about the
actions of the Town Board and the quotes of elected of-
ficials. (Even so, the articles in ~, the Traveler,
and Suffolk Times have been interesting, sometimes amus-
ing and even pathetic.)
I~asmuch as I was not on Village water I would be so in
a short time. (You indicated that Mr. Penny knew the area
and the people involved. Mr. Penny did not know that we
were on well water until I volmnteered the information in
our conversation. Protection of well water was the gist of
my initial memorandum of March 1st.)
I have come to the conclusion that I never had a problem re-
lating to the trenching project. The Town has very serious prob-
lems.
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I have heard that the Town Trustees are concerned with road
run-off into the tidal cree~--~n~e to do something about
it. The Creeks have tidal action with the resultant flushing so
that run-off does not exert its full impact. Marion Lake does
not have that benefit. It is suggested that the Town Trustees
inspect the run-off into Marion Lake since the trenching pro-
ject for which they granted a permit. The drainage on the east
side of Bay Avenue, south of Lakeview Terrace, has now been di-
verted to the bridge into the lake. This has been se only since
the project. For decades, the drainage on that side of the road
entered the area near the pumphouse and leached into the soil.
Road run-off and silt are now entering directly into the lake.
The Town Wetlan--~s Code says something to the effect that silta-
tion is not to be the result of a project granted a permit. In
a very--~t time siltation will clog the waterway between the
two sections of the lake and canoes, rowboats, and wildlife use
that waterway. When can we expect action?
In addition to the scenic beauty, the lake provides recre-
ational boating and freshwater fishing. Most of the fishing is
done f~om the east side of the bridge. I suggest that the Town
Trustees visually inspect the debris which was placed in the
dredged trench. The debris comes so close to the surface that the
swans~must climb over it rather than swim through. The debris
will be snagging fish hooks and monofilament line will be break-
ing off. Monofilament line in the water is a disaster to wild-
life:- muskrats, ducks, turtles, swans, geese, herons, egrets,
and grebes which use theat area. I can't imagine the Code per-
mitting debris to be used as a fill in a trench.
Aneighbor was informed that there was no way that a c~
would be permitted on the bridge. Not only did the crane cross,
but it was on a transporter. There is no weight limit posted for
that bridge. What is the weight limit for th~ bridge? YOu must
remember that bridge was built before the big houses on Rabbit
LAne. ~hat was the gross weight of the pre-cut lumber and trailer
which crossed the bridge to go to Huckleberry Hill?-What was the
gross weight of the cement trucks which poured on jobs on Rabbit
Lane and Huckleberry Hill? Should the garbage truck which is at
the end of its run cross the bridge? Should any of these trucks
be permitted to cross the bridge? The EMFD has a policy of net
permitting trucks to cross the bridge. In an emergency, there is
no doubt of what they would do. The FD doesn't flaunt it~ others
do. I suggest the Town inspect the bridge, which is about 60 years
old,before there is a serious accident.
A representative of the Underwriter's Office alleged that no
yellow tracer was placed in the trench with the gas main, the wire
cables, and plastic water pipes between Lakeview Terrace and the
~aterfield. Our photo file does not indicate that it has been
done. Which Town representative is responsible for inspecting the
trench before it is backfilled?
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On my trip West, I spent a considerable amount of time in
"missile silo" territory in northeast Colrado, southwest Nebraska,
and southeast Wyoming° It is barrens.it is desolate. One can still
see the ruts of wagon trains. One may not see another vehicle for
hours upon end with the exception of anAir Force patrol. I met a
postman whose circuitous route was 93 miles long on gravel and
dirt roads to deliver mail to 45 roadside boxes from which one
could not see a sign of a house or barn most of the time. As a
reminder of civilization, every so often, one would see a sign,
XXXXXXXX COUNTY
ZONING LAWS
CODES STRICTLY ENFORCED
For information Call xxx xxxx
I had to consult a topographical map to ascertain the state in
which the county was located.
Were they fooling? Thinking of the Town of Southold~ I
called four (4) of those numbers. I told each I was presenting
a hypothetical case and to be free to stop the conversation at
any time. I had a piece of property but that the water was con~
taminated. I had an option to purchase another less desirable,
piece of property ~ mile away with good drinking water. One must
be mindful that one may own property, but not have the water and/
or mineral rights thereto. May I trench? What are the rules and
regulations? What codes apply? What permits would be needed? Who
and how often are inspections.made? There are many buried natural
gas lines which interconnect wellfields and buried silo sensors;
one.~ust doesn't use a trenching machine or a backhoe at will. In
all cases, one person answered all my questions. I was not put
on hold or shuffled from one department to another. That person
was the spokesman and there was decisivenessf
You requested that I formally sign my memorandum of March 1st
to identify myself and to assure you that I was serious. I did so;
i stood up to be counted. In reciprocity, I am awaiting you, the
Town Supervisor, the highest elective post in the Town, for an-
swers to my questions not only in this letter, but in the letters
of April 22nd and 29th.. May I hear from you in the near future?
I am enclosing another copy of the April 29th
your file.
CeCe
letter for
Fr nk Heroy
Councilman George Penny
Henry P~ Smith, President of Town Trustees
Victor Lessard, Exec. Adm. of Building Department
Ray Jacobs, Superintendent of Highways
Mark Middleton, Pres. of Lakeview Terrace Rd. Assoc.
HENRY P. SMITH. President
JOHN M. BREDEMEYER. Vice-Pres.
PHILLIP J. GOUBEAUD
ALBERT KRUPSKI. JR.
ELLEN M. LARSEN
BOARD OF TOWN TI~USTEES
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
Town Hall, $3095 Main Road
P.O. Box 728
Southold, New York 11971
TELEPHONE
(516) 765-1892
May 16, 1986
Mr. Charles Luscher
Rabbit Lane Association
19 East Mall
Plainview, New York 11803
Re: Bay Avenue, East Marion, New York
Dear Mr. Luscher:
Please be advised that our letter of May 5, 1986 applies
to the water lines for the above captioned pro3ect.
Electrical lines are to be installed according to Public
Utility standards and specificaticns.
The Trustees would recommend that the electrical lines
be run overhead across the pond.
If you have any questions or concerns, please do not
hesitate to call this office at the telephone number listed
above.
Very truly~_~vou~s,. ~
~enry P. Smith, President
Board of Town Trustees
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Ted Dowd
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