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PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
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May 7, 2018 So hold Town Clerk
6:00 p.m.
Present were: James H. Rich III, Vice-Chairman
Martin Sidor, Member
Pierce Rafferty, Member
Heather Lanza, Planning Director
Mark Terry, Assistant Planning Director
Brian Cummings, Planner
Jessica Michaelis, Clerk Typist
SETTING OF THE NEXT PLANNING BOARD MEETING
Vice-Chairman Rich: Good afternoon and welcome to the May 7, 2018 Planning
Board meeting. The first order of business is for the Board to set Monday, June 4, 2018
at 6:00 p.m. at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, as the time and place for
the next regular Planning Board Meeting.
Martin Sidor: So moved.
Pierce Rafferty: Second.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Martin, seconded by Pierce. Any discussion? All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
Motion carries.
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SUBDIVISIONS
Final Plat Determinations:
Vice-Chairman Rich: Sutton, Alexander & Tracy - This proposal is for a Standard
Subdivision of a 1.82 acre parcel where in 2010 the Zoning Board of Appeals granted
an Area Variance to allow for this parcel to be subdivided into two lots where Lot 1
equals 1.13 acres and Lot 2 equals 0.69 acres, located in the R-40 Zoning District. The
property is located at 1160 North Bayview Road, Southold. SCTM#1000-78-9-54
Pierce Rafferty:
WHEREAS, this proposal is for a Standard Subdivision of a 1.82 acre parcel where in
2010 the Zoning Board of Appeals granted an Area Variance to allow for this parcel to
be subdivided into two lots where Lot 1 equals 1.13 acres and Lot 2 equals 0.69 acres,
located in the R-40 Zoning District; and
WHEREAS, on October 7, 2010, the Zoning Board of Appeals granted an Area
Variance #6385; and
WHEREAS, on October 3, 2013, the agent submitted an approved Health Department
map; and
WHEREAS, on April 3, 2014, the agent submitted a Preliminary Plat Application that
included 12 prints of the Preliminary Plat, a copy of the Health Department approved
map and a check in the amount of$1,000.00; and
WHEREAS, on June 2, 2014, the Planning Board reviewed the Preliminary Plat
Application at their Work Session and found it complete and agreed to set the
Preliminary Plat Public Hearing; and
WHEREAS, on September 8, 2014, the Planning Board reviewed the application at
their Work Session and agreed to place a Covenant on the property that the right-of-
way will remain open and accessible to emergency vehicles over its entire length; and
WHEREAS, on September 24, 2014, a referral was sent to the Highway Superintendent
and the Office of the Town Engineer requesting that the right-of-way remain as it
currently exists and not up-graded to meet Highway Specifications; and
WHEREAS, on September 25, 2014 and October 17, 2014 the Office of the Town
Engineer sent responses to the Planning Board's request stating that, after review, the
Highway Superintendent and the Office of the Town Engineer have agreed to waive the
requirement to meet Highway Specifications; and
WHEREAS, on October 20, 2014, the Planning Board reviewed the application at their
Work Session and agreed to waive the Highway Requirements for the right-of-way; and
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WHEREAS, on February 6, 2015, the agent submitted 12 revised prints and a Letter of
Water Availability from the Suffolk County Water Authority; and
WHEREAS, on February 26, 2015, the Planning Board reviewed the application at their
Work Session and accepted the Draft Covenants and Restrictions. The Board also
requested that an Access Easement be submitted for Lot 2 over the 50' right-of-way;
and
WHEREAS, on May 27, 2015, the agent submitted revised Covenants and Restrictions;
and
WHEREAS, on June 3, 2015, Staff sent an e-mail to the agent stating that the last item
to submit, as per the letter dated February 26, 2015, was the Access Easement for Lot
2 over the 50' right-of-way; and
WHEREAS, on December 15, 2015, the agent submitted an Access Easement for Lot 2
over the 50' right-of-way; and
WHEREAS, on January 19, 2016, Staff sent a referral to the Office of the Town
Engineer requesting review of the Access Easement; and
WHEREAS, on February 22, 2016, the Planning Board reviewed the application at their
Work Session and accepted Planning Staff's revised Access Easement; and
WHEREAS, on March 21, 2016, the Planning Board reviewed the revised Covenants
and Restrictions at their Work Session and agreed that the application meets all the
requirements for Preliminary Plat Approval pursuant to Article VI Preliminary Plat
Review; and
WHEREAS, on April 4, 2016, the Planning Board, pursuant to SEQRA, made a
determination of non-significance for the proposed action and granted a Negative
Declaration; and
WHEREAS, on April 4, 2016, the Planning Board determined that this proposed action
is consistent with the policies of the Town of Southold Local Waterfront Revitalization
Program; and
WHEREAS, on April 4, 2016, the Planning Board granted Conditional Preliminary Plat
Approval; and
WHEREAS, on January 31, 2017, the Final Plat Application was submitted, and
WHEREAS, on August 8, 2017, the applicant filed with the Office of the Suffolk County
Clerk a Declaration of Covenant and Restrictions for the Subdivision in Liber
D00012923 Page 987, a Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions for the Right of
Way in Liber D00012922 Page 062, and an Access Agreement in Liber D00012922
page 061; and
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WHEREAS, on October 16, 2017 Work Session the Planning Board found the Final
Plat Application complete, and
WHEREAS, on November 6, 2017 a Final Plat Public Hearing was held and closed on
the "Final Plat Standard Subdivision prepared for Alexander L. & Tracy M. Sutton",
dated June 15, 2007 and last revised April 9, 2016, prepared by Nathan Taft Corwin III,
Land Surveyor; and
WHEREAS, at their Work Session on December 4, 2017, the Planning Board found
that all requirements of Chapter 240 Subdivision of Land, Article VII: Final Plat Review
have been met; and
WHEREAS, at their December 4, 2017, Public Meeting, the Southold Town Planning
Board waived Chapter 161. Highway Specifications Article III. Roadway Construction,
pursuant to §161-47 of the Southold Town Code for the right-of-way, and
recommended same to the Town Board; and
WHEREAS, at the same meeting on December 4, 2017 the Southold Town Planning
Board granted Conditional Final Plat Approval upon the map entitled "Final Plat
Standard Subdivision prepared for Alexander L. & Tracy M. Sutton", dated June 15,
2007 and last revised April 9, 2016, prepared by Nathan Taft Corwin III, Land Surveyor,
with 3 conditions; and
WHEREAS, on May 7, 2018, the Planning Board, at their Work Session, reviewed the
submitted documents and found that conditions 1 and 2 of Conditional Final Plat
Approval have been met and that all requirements of Final Plat pursuant to §240-21
Technical Requirements have been met; and
WHEREAS, condition 3, "Approval from the,Town Board to waive Chapter 161.
Highway Specifications Article III. Roadway Construction, for the right-of-way is required
prior to consideration for Final Approval' has not been met and requires Town Board
approval; and
WHEREAS, the waiver request was discussed at the Town Board work sessions on
January, 16, 2018 and April 24, 2018; and
WHEREAS, the Town Board will consider a formal decision on the waiver request at
their May 8, 2018 meeting; and
WHEREAS, the Planning Board desires to complete this application review in an
efficient manner and finds that granting a Final Plat Approval with a condition that the
Town Board waiver be granted prior to the chairman endorsing the Final Plat for filing is
the most expeditious; be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board hereby grants Final Plat Approval
upon the map entitled "Final Plat Standard Subdivision prepared for Alexander L. &
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Tracy M. Sutton", dated June 15, 2007 and last revised April 9, 2016, prepared by
Nathan Taft Corwin III, Land Surveyor, and authorizes the Planning Board Chairman to
endorse the final plat upon meeting the following condition:
1. Approval from the Town Board to waive Chapter 161. Highway Specifications
Article Ill. Roadway Construction, for the right-of-way.
Martin Sidor: Second.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Pierce, seconded by Martin. Any discussion? All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
Motion carries.
Set Preliminary Plat Hearings:
Vice-Chairman Rich: Mazzoni Subdivision —This proposal is for a Standard
Subdivision of a 22.94 acre parcel into 5 lots where Lot 1 = 2.34 acres, Lot 2 = 1.78
acres, Lot 3 = 2.18 acres, Lot 4 = 0.56 acres, Lot 5 = 16.06 acres inclusive of a .97 acre
right-of-way, 8.58 acres of Open Space and 6 acres of a Conservation Easement held
by the Peconic Land Trust (PLT) located in the R-80 Zoning District. The property is
located at 500 Soundview Drive, approximately 782' to the north of NYS Route 25 and
256' to the east of Sound View Drive, Orient. SCTM#1000-13-2-8.2
Martin Sidor:
WHEREAS, This proposal is for a Standard,Subdivision of a 22.94 acre parcel into 5
lots where Lot 1 = 2.27 acres, Lot 2 = 1.67 acres, Lot 3 = 2.13 acres, Lot 4 = 0.59
acres, Lot 5 = 16.28 acres inclusive of a 1.21 acres right-of-way, 8.58 acres of Open
Space and 6 acres of a Conservation Easement held by the Peconic Land Trust (PLT)
located in the R-80 Zoning District; and
WHEREAS, on July 6, 2015 the Southold Town Planning Board granted Conditional
Sketch Plan Approval upon the map entitled "Henry Mazzoni Subdivision Standard
Cluster", dated October 27, 2013 and last revised June 9, 2015, prepared by Howard
Young, Licensed Land Surveyor, with the following conditions;
1. The Sketch Plan Approval is a conceptual lot design that has received a
minimum amount of review and has not yet been through the public
hearing process. As such, the lot design and any other aspect of the
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Sketch Plan may be required to be changed during the Preliminary Plat
Stage after the benefit of a public hearing and a more in-depth review by
involved agencies and the Planning Board;
2. Submission of all Preliminary Plat requirements pursuant to §240-16
Submission and §240-17 Technical Requirement of the Southold Town
Code;
3. The Preliminary Plat must show common access to the Long Island
Sound as a 4 ft. wide Pedestrian Access Easement;
4. The Preliminary Plat must note the correct Zoning District - Residential-80
(R-80) instead of Hamlet Density Residential (HD);
5. Prove that the property has potable water;
6. Lot setbacks will be determined during the Preliminary Plat review; and
WHEREAS, all conditions have been satisfied to the greatest extent; and
WHEREAS, on December 7, 2015 the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to
State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) 6 NYCRR, Part 617, determined that
the proposed action is an Unlisted Action as it does not meet any of the thresholds of a
Type I Action, nor does it meet any of the criteria on the Type II list of actions; therefore
be it
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board sets Monday, July 9, 2018 at
6:01 p.m. for a Public Hearing upon the map entitled "Subdivision Henry Mazzoni at
Orient", dated February 27, 2018, and the "Preliminary Road and Drainage Plan" dated
February 27, 2018 prepared by Howard Young, Licensed Land Surveyor.
Pierce Rafferty: Second.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Martin, seconded by Pierce. Any discussion? All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed? -
None.
Motion carries.
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BOND DETERMINATIONS
Bond Reduction:
Vice-Chairman Rich: The Estates at Royalton - This proposal is for a Standard
Subdivision of a 36.9 acre parcel into 12 lots where Lots 1-11 equal 0.7 acres each,
and Lot 12 equals 12 acres, located in the A-C Zoning District. This subdivision includes
15.2 acres of open space and 1.7 acres for a proposed road. The property is located at
55 Cox Neck Road, approximately 490 feet north of Sound Avenue, Mattituck.
SCTM#1000-113-7-19.23
Pierce Rafferty:
WHEREAS, this Standard Subdivision divided 36.9 acres into 12 lots where Lots 1-11
equal 0.7 acres, and Lot 12 equals 12 acres, located in the A-C Zoning District. This
subdivision includes 15.2 acres of open space and 1.7 acres for the road; and
WHEREAS, on April 11, 2017 the Southold Town Planning Board accepted the Bond
Estimate for The Estates at Royalton dated September 8, 2016 in the amount of
$314,870.00; and
WHEREAS, on April 27, 2017, the Town of Southold received an Irrevocable Standby
Letter of Credit ("ISLC") in the amount of three hundred fourteen thousand, eight
hundred seventy dollars ($314,870.00) dated April 26, 2017 from Bank of America
Merrill Lynch on behalf of the Applicant, 55 Cox Neck Road Realty, LLC; and
WHEREAS, on January 18, 2018, the Southold Town Planning Board received a letter
indicating that the terms of the ISLC remained in effect; and
WHEREAS, the ISLC expired on February 28, 2018; and
WHEREAS, subject to conditions, the ISLC automatically extends without amendment
for one additional year from February 28, 2018; and
WHEREAS, on February 2, 2018 the site was inspected by Jamie A. Richter, R. A.,
Town Engineer Office and, with approval from the Superintendent of Highways,
recommended a reduction in the performance guarantee from $314,870.00 to
$180,447.00; and
WHEREAS, on February 15, 2018 Bank of America Merrill Lynch was contacted and it
was confirmed that the ISLC has been extended to February 28, 2019; therefore be it
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board hereby accepts the Revised Bond
Estimate for the Estates at Royalton Subdivision dated February 5, 2018 and prepared
by Jamie A. Richter, R. A. in the amount of one hundred eighty thousand, four hundred
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and forty seven dollars ($180,447.00) and recommends that the Town Board also
accept the Revised Bond Estimate.
Martin Sidor: Second.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Pierce, seconded by Martin. Any discussion? All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
Motion carries.
SITE PLANS - STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT
SEQRA Type Classifications/Set Hearing:
Vice-Chairman Rich: McCall Wine Production Facility Amended —This amended
application is for the proposed construction of a multi-level 7,237 sq. ft. (including
basement) wine production and storage facility, not open to the public, including a
2,992 sq. ft. timber barn for agricultural storage to be constructed above a 4,245 sq. ft.
winery on a 1.8 acre reserve parcel (SCTM#1000-109.-1-38) adjacent to over 84 acres
of land (SCTM#116.-1-2.2 & 3.4) with Suffolk County Development Rights in the AC
Zoning District. The property is located at 22600 Route 25, Cutchogue. SCTM#1000-
109-1-38
Martin Sidor:
WHEREAS, this amended application is for the proposed construction of a multi-level
7,237 sq. ft. wine production and storage facility, not open to the public, including a
2,992 sq. ft. timber barn for agricultural storage to be constructed above a 4,245 sq. ft.
winery on a 1.8 acre reserve parcel (SCTM#1000-109.-1-38) adjacent to over 84 acres
of land (SCTM#1000-116.-1-2.2 & 3.4) with Suffolk County Development Rights in the
AC Zoning District, Cutchogue;
WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to State Environmental
Quality Review Act (SEQRA) 6 NYCRR, Part 617.5 (c), has determined that the
proposed action is a Type II Action as it falls within the following description for 6
NYCRR, Part 617.5(c)(3) agricultural farm management practices, including
construction, maintenance and repair of farm buildings and structures, and land use
changes consistent with generally accepted principles of farming. The action is for the
construction of a multi-level 7,237 sq. ft. wine production and storage facility, including
agricultural equipment storage; be it therefore
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RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board has determined that this proposed
action is a Type II Action and not subject to review under SEQRA.
Pierce Rafferty: Second.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Martin, seconded by Pierce. Any discussion? All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
Motion carries.
Martin Sidor: And be it further
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board sets Monday, June 4, 2018 at
6:01 p.m. for a Public Hearing regarding the Site Plan entitled "McCall Winery Barn",
prepared by Howard W. Young, dated April 16, 2018.
Pierce Rafferty: Second.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Martin, seconded by Pierce. Any discussion? All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
Motion carries.
SITE PLANS
Determinations:
Vice-Chairman Rich: Pindar Storage Building —This Agricultural Site Plan is for the
proposed relocation and construction of a 1-story 3,259 sq. ft. building for agricultural
equipment storage and no basement, located on 70.4 acres in the AC Zoning District
where there is 7,151 sq. ft. of existing buildings. The property is located at 39935 Route
25, Peconic. SCTM#1000-85-2-9.2
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Vice-Chairman Rich: We need a motion to table the Pindar Storage Building
resolution, as I have to recuse myself from this application and we do not have a
quorum.
Martin Sidor: So moved.
Pierce Rafferty: Second.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Martin, seconded by Pierce. Any discussion? All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
Motion carries.
Vice-Chairman Rich: The resolution for Purita Wine Production Building Amended will
be read after the Public Hearing.
Purita Wine Production Building Amended —This Amended Site Plan application is
for the proposed construction of a 40' x 89'2"' (3,566 sq. ft.) addition to an existing 101'
4" x 89'2"' (9,129 sq. ft.) wine production building to expand the current uses of wine
production and storage (not open to the public) totaling 12,695 sq. ft. on a 4.48 acre
parcel (SCTM#1 000-51-3-5.1) with an existing single family dwelling and nine (9)
parking spaces. The subject parcel is attached to ±21.6 acres of farmland
(SCTM#1000-51.-3-4.14) with Development Rights held by Suffolk County in the AC
Zoning District. The property is located at 5415 Old North Road, Southold.
SCTM#1000-51-3-5.1, 4.12, 4.13 & 4.14
Public Hearings Continued by Court Reporter Jessica DiLallo
PUBLIC HEARINGS
6:01 p.m. — Sparkling Pointe Warehouse —This Amended Site Plan is for the
proposed construction of a 1-story 3,196 sq. ft. building for warehouse storage, no
basement and 12 parking stalls including 6 land banked where there exists a 5,808 sq.
ft. building all on a 1.02 acre parcel in the Light Industrial Zoning District. The property
is located at 1270 CR 48, Southold. SCTM#1000-69-3-3
6:02 p.m. —Vineyard View—This proposed Residential Site Plan is for a 50 unit
workforce rental housing development including 14 one-bedroom units, 22 two-
bedroom units and 14 three-bedroom units, a 2,649 sq. ft. community center, 111
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parking spaces of which 97 are associated with the dwelling units, 7 are associated with
the community center and 7 are land banked; and various other associated site
improvements, on a vacant 17.19-acre parcel of which 10 acres will be preserved as
open space (6.3 acres upland and 3.7 acres wetlands), in the Hamlet Density (HD)
Zoning District. The property is located at 62600 CR 48, ±1,600' n/e/o Chapel Lane and
County Route 48, Greenport. SCTM#1000-40-3-1
6:03 p.m. — Purita Wine Production Building Amended —This Amended Site Plan
application is for the proposed construction of a 40' x 89'2"' (3,566 sq. ft.) addition to an
existing 101' 4" x 89'2"' (9,129 sq. ft.) wine production building to expand the current
uses of wine production and storage (not open to the public) totaling 12,695 sq. ft. on a
4.48 acre parcel (SCTM#1000-51-3-5.1) with an existing single family dwelling and nine
(9) parking spaces. The subject parcel is attached to ±21.6 acres of farmland
(SCTM#1000-51.-3-4.14) with Development Rights held by Suffolk County in the AC
Zoning District. The property is located at 5415 Old North Road, Southold.
SCTM#1000-51-3-5.1, 4.12, 4.13 & 4.14
APPROVAL OF PLANNING BOARD MINUTES
Vice-Chairman Rich: We need a motion to approve the Planning Board minutes from:
• April 9, 2018
Pierce Rafferty: So moved.
Martin Sidor: Second.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Pierce, seconded by Martin. Any discussion? All
in favor?
Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
Motion carries.
Vice-Chairman Rich: We need a motion for adjournment.
Martin Sidor: So moved.
Pierce Rafferty: Second.
Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Martin, seconded by Pierce. Any discussion? All
in favor?
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Ayes.
Opposed?
None.
Motion carries.
There being no further business to come before the Board, the meeting was adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,
Jessica Michaelis
Transcribing Secretary
James H. Rich III, Vice-Chairman
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13 Board Members Present:
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15 JAMES H. RICH, III, Vice-Chairman
16 PIERCE RAFFERTY, Board Member
17 MARTIN H. SIDOR, Board Member
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19 HEATHER LANZA, Planning Director
20 Mark Terry, Assistant Planning Director
21 Brian Cummings, Planner
22 Jessica Michaelis, Typist
23 William Duffy, Town Attorney
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2 INDEX
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4 ITEM PAGE
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6 PUBLIC HEARINGS
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8 SPARKLING POINTE WAREHOUSE 3-5
9 PURITA WINERY PRODUCTION BUILDING 5-12
10 VINEYARD VIEW 19-73
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13 RESOLUTIONS:
14 PURITA WINERY PRODUCTION BUILDING 12-18
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1 SPARKLING POINTE WAREHOUSE
2 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Ladies and
3 Gentlemen, that brings us to our public
4 hearing's tonight. We're going to start
5 with the public hearing for Sparkling
6 Pointe Warehouse. This amended site plan
7 is for the proposed construction of a
8 one-story 3, 196 square feet building for
9 warehouse storage, no basement and 12
10 parking stalls, including 6 land banked
11 where there exists 5, 808 square feet
12 building. All on a 1.02 acre parcel in
13 the Light Industrial Zoning District.
14 The property is located at 1270 County
15 Road 48, Southold. SCTM* 1001-69-3-3.
16 Anyone wishing to address the
17 Southold Town Planning Board for
18 Sparkling Pointe Warehouse, please step
19 forward and state your name and sign your
20 name legibly there. You will be speaking
21 to the Planning Board and not the
22 audience. Thank you.
23 MR. GRUBER: Robert Gruber,
24 Architect. So this is a proposal to
25 construct an additional warehouse
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1 building on the existing property
2 that Sparkling Pointe has already.
3 They have a warehouse building on the
4 property now. They want to build a
5 second warehouse building independent
6 of the first warehouse building. It
7 will be located in front of this
8 building, as per the site plan. I
9 don't know if you have a copy of the
10 site plan up there, but if anybody
11 has any questions, I would be happy
12 to answer them. The architecture of
13 the building is the same as
14 previously built.
15 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Do you have
16 any comments for us?
17 MR. GRUBER: If anyone has any
18 questions, I would be happy to answer
19 them?
20 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: We don't have
21 any questions. We will ask the
22 public if they wish to have any
23 comments.
24 MR. GRUBER: Certainly.
25 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Anyone wishing to
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1 comment on this, please step
2 forward?
3 (No Response. )
4 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Anyone?
5 MEMBER SIDOR: Make a motion to
6 close the hearing.
7 MEMBER RAFFERTY: Second.
8 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: We have a
9 motion to close the hearing made by
10 Martin and a second by Pierce.
11 All in favor?
12 MEMBER SIDOR: Aye.
13 MEMBER RAFFERTY: Aye.
14 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Aye.
15 Motion carries, 3-0.
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17 PURITA WINE PRODUCTION BUILDING AMENDED
18 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: The next hearing
19 that we're going to do, we're going to
20 take this a little bit out of order
21 because we feel that to make everybody --
22 we understand that everybody's time is
23 valuable, Purita Wine Production Building
24 Amended. This amended site plan
25 application is for the proposed
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1 construction of a 40'x8912" (3,566
2 square feet) addition to an existing
3 101'4" x 89'2", (9, 129 square foot)
4 wine production building to expand the
5 current uses of wine production and
6 storage. Not open to the public,
7 totalling 12, 695 square feet on a
8 4 .48 parcel. SCTM#1001-51-3-5, with an
9 existing single family dwelling and 9
10 parking spaces. The subject parcel is to
11 be merged to plus or minus 21. 6 acres of
12 farmland. SCTM41000-51-3-4 .14, with
13 development rights held by Suffolk County
14 in the AC Zoning District, Southold. The
15 property is located at 5415 Old North
16 Road, Southold. SCTM#1001-51-5.1, 4 .12,
17 4 .13 and 4 .14 .
18 Anyone wishing to addressing to the
19 Southold Town Planning Board, please step
20 forward and sign your name and state your
21 name?
22 MS. AMPER: Yes. Julie Amper
23 Mattituck. I just had a question
24 because I wasn't clear about this
25 merging it into a plot that has
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1 development rights held by Suffolk
2 County. I mean, wouldn't that mean
3 that you couldn't build on it until
4 this lawsuit -- it's in the appeal's
5 stage? So I don't understand why it
6 would be merged land on which you're
7 not supposed to be developing
8 anything at this point?
9 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Do you want
10 to answer that?
11 MS. STEELMAN: Yes. Nancy
12 Steelman. Samuels & Steelman
13 Architects. This property consist of
14 many acres. A portion of the land
15 that was originally sold to the
16 County was held for development. My
17 client just recently, approximately
18 two years ago, bought a small one
19 acre parcel and that has been merged
20 with the additional three acres that
21 was set aside for development rights.
22 So it's still all one parcel. So
23 that is the best way that I can state
24 this. It's taxed separately.
25 Portions of it have been sold for
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1 development rights. For that to be
2 maintained for non-development, a
3 portion has been maintained as
4 developmental.
5 MS. AMPER: Then why merge it? If
6 it's merged into a preserved piece,
7 doesn't it then have to assume the
8 preservation laws of that larger
9 piece? I am just confused.
10 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: I have always
11 been under the impression that sections
12 of farm property are sold with the
13 development rights, but a section can be
14 held out of those development
15 rights --
16 MS. AMPER: Oh, I understand that.
17 But then why merge it back in? That
18 is what I don't understand. Why not
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19 just have a property that you can
20 develop anything you want on it? I
21 am just confused.
22 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: I would have to
23 look into it to get you an answer for
24 that --
25 MS. LANZA: Excuse me,
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1 Mr. Vice-Chairman, I do have an
2 answer. I can answer that. Heather
3 Lanza. So it was required to be
4 merged so that it's part of the
5 winery property but merging does not
6 mean that it suddenly assumes the
7 same status as the rest of the
8 property that is preserved. It
9 retains its development rights
10 intact. And merging just means that
11 it's all considered one parcel from a
12 Town's perspective in terms of how
13 many parcels they have there. So it
14 doesn't relate to whether they can
15 develop it.
16 MS. AMPER: They're adding to an
17 existing building that was part of
18 the winery; right? Does adding --
19 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Yes, that's
20 correct.
21 MS. AMPER: So it was already part
22 of the winery. I am just not
23 understanding why you have to merge
24 it to get it part of the winery?
25 MS. LANZA: They're merging the
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1 parcels -- it's just part of the
2 requirement. It's separate from the
3 rest of it. They had to merge it so
4 that it was all attached in one big
5 parcel in our view. It still has
6 separate tax parcels, which could
7 still be a little confusing, but from
8 our view, it's going to be one big
9 parcel. And that is what the merger
10 means. It's really semantics. It
11 doesn't effect how it's developed at
12 all.
13 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: And it will
14 not change the preservation at all.
15 Nancy, did you have any more answer
16 to this? Looks like you want to say
17 something.
18 MS. STEELMAN: The property has
19 already been merged. It was a one
20 parcel that when we did our first
21 project, the one that is currently
22 under construction, as part of the
23 process, we had to merge this small
24 one acre lot into the small parcel.
25 Need a minimum of 10 acres of
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1 vineyard and this building -- this
2 property included the one acre, plus
3 the additional acres that we wished
4 to get the 10 acres. So this has
5 already been done. This was done two
6 years ago.
7 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Thank you. Do
8 you have anything else to add?
9 MS. STEELMAN: If there are any
10 additional questions, I will try and
11 answer them.
12 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Thank you
13 very much.
14 Anyone else wishing to address Purita
15 Wine Productions Building?
16 MEMBER RAFFERTY: Move to close
17 the hearing.
18 MEMBER SIDOR: Second.
19 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Motion made to
20 close the hearing and seconded.
21 All in favor?
22 MEMBER RAFFERTY: Aye.
23 MEMBER SIDOR: Aye.
24 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Aye.
25 Opposed?
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1 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Motion
2 carries, 3-0.
3 *************************************
4 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: This Purita
5 Wine Production hearing is closed.
6 And we're going to do the
7 resolution for it:
8 MEMBER RAFFERTY: Vice-Chairman, I
9 would like to offer the following; .
10 WHEREAS, this Amended Site Plan
11 application is for the proposed
12 construction of a 40' x 89'2" ' (3, 566 sq.
13 Ft. ) Addition to an existing 101' 4" x
14 89'2"' (9, 129 sq. Ft. ) Wine production
15 building to expand the current uses of
16 wine production and storage (not open to
17 the public) totaling 12, 695 sq. Ft. On a
18 4 .48 acre parcel (SCTM#1000-51-3-5.1)
19 with an existing single family dwelling
20 and nine (9) parking spaces. The subject
21 parcel is attached to 121. 6 acres of
22 farmland (SCTM#1000-51.-3-4 .14) with
23 Development Rights held by Suffolk County
24 in the AC Zoning District, Southold; and
25 WHEREAS, on December 20, 2017, Nancy
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1 Steelman, authorized agent, submitted an
2 Amended Site Plan Application for review;
3 and
4 WHEREAS, on January 22, 2018, the
5 Planning Board accepted the application
6 as complete for review; and
7 WHEREAS, on January 26, 2018, the
8 Planning Board, pursuant to Southold Town
9 Code '280-131 C. , distributed the
10 application to the required agencies for
11 their comments; and
12 WHEREAS, the proposed action is exempt
13 from review by the Suffolk County
14 Planning Commission (SCPC) ; and
15 WHEREAS, on February 9, 2018, the
16 Suffolk County Department of Health
17 Services (SCDHS) granted approval for
18 this application (Reference
19 *C10-13-0005) ; and
20 WHEREAS, on February 20, 2018, the
21 Southold Fire District determined there
22 was adequate fire protection for the
23 site; and
24 WHEREAS, on February 20, 2018, the
25 Town of Southold Local Waterfront
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1 Revitalization Program Coordinator
2 reviewed the proposed project and
3 determined it to be consistent with
4 Southold Town LWRP policies with
5 recommendations to the Planning Board;
6 and
7 WHEREAS, on February 20, 2018, the
8 Architectural Review Committee reviewed
9 the proposed project and approved it as
10 submitted; and
11 WHEREAS, on February 28, 2018, the
12 Southold Town Fire Inspector reviewed and
13 determined that there was adequate fire
14 protection and emergency access for the
15 site; and
16 WHEREAS, on March 12, 2018, the
17 Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to
18 State Environmental Quality Review Act
19 (SEQRA) 6 NYCRR, Part 617, determined
20 that the proposed action is a Type II
21 Action pursuant to 1617.5 (c) (3)
22 "agricultural farm management practices,
23 including construction, maintenance and
24 repair of farm buildings and structures,
25 and land use changes consistent with
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1 generally accepted principles of farming"
2 and, therefore, not subject to review
3 because the proposed construction is for
4 an existing agricultural site; and
5 WHEREAS, on April 9, 2018, the
6 Southold Town Engineer reviewed the
7 proposed application and determined the
8 proposed drainage meets the minimum
9 requirements of Chapter 236 for Storm
10 Water Management; and
11 WHEREAS, on April 9, 2018, the
12 Southold Town Planning Board determined
13 that all applicable requirements of the
14 Site Plan Regulations, Article XXIV, 1280
15 Site Plan Approval of the Town of
16 Southold, have been met; and
17 WHEREAS, on April 9, 2018, the Public
18 Hearing was rescheduled to May 7, 2018
19 because it was not properly noticed by
20 the applicant; and
21 WHEREAS, on April 23, 2018, the
22 Southold Town Chief Building Inspector
23 reviewed and certified the proposed
24 Agricultural Storage/Production building
25 as a permitted use in the A-C Zoning
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1 District; and
2 WHEREAS, on May 7, 2018, the Public
3 Hearing was held and closed; therefore be
4 it
5 RESOLVED, that the Southold Town
6 Planning Board has determined that this
7 proposed action is consistent with the
8 policies of the Town of Southold Local
9 Waterfront Revitalization Program.
10 MEMBER SIDOR: Second.
11 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Motion made by
12 Pierce. Seconded by Martin.
13 All in favor?
14 MEMBER SIDOR: Aye.
15 MEMBER RAFFERTY: Aye.
16 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Aye.
17 Opposed?
18 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Motion
19 carries, 3-0.
20 MEMBER RAFFERTY: BE IT FURTHER
21 RESOLVED, .
22 RESOLVED, that the Southold Town
23 Planning Board approves the Amended Site
24 Plan with three (3) conditions for the
25 plan entitled Renovations and Additions
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1 to the existing building for wine
2 production at Purita Winery , prepared by
3 Nancy L. Steelman R.A. , dated December
4 27, 2016 and last revised December 19,
5 2017, and authorizes the Chairman to
6 endorse the Site Plan and the following
7 seven (7) pages:
8 1. SP 1 Overall Site Plan
9 2. SP 2 Enlarged Site Plan
10 3. SP 3 Site Photometric Lighting
Plan
12 4 . U 1 Production Building Site
Utilities Plan
14 5. U 2 Production Building Site
Utility Details
16 6. A 1 Production Building Floor
Plan
18 7. A 2 Production Building
Elevations
20 Conditions:
21 Prior to the issuance of a Certificate
22 of Occupancy, a written approval from the
23 SCDHS for the abandonment of the existing
24 sanitary systems proposed to be removed
25 as shown on the site plan shall be
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1 provided;
2 This wine production building and site
3 plan are designed and approved for owner
4 use only and shall not be open to the
5 public.
6 Any new lighting fixtures beyond those
7 approved as part of the Lighting Plan
8 must conform to the Code and may require
9 Planning Board approval depending on
10 their number, size, intensity and
11 location.
12 MEMBER SIDOR: Second.
13 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Motion made by
14 Pierce. Seconded by Martin.
15 All in favor?
16 MEMBER SIDOR: Aye.
17 MEMBER RAFFERTY: Aye.
18 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Aye.
19 Opposed?
20 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Motion
21 carries, 3-0.
22 Both Resolutions are passed. Thank
23 you very much.
24 *****************************************
25 VINEYARD VIEW
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1 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: We're now
2 going to move into the public hearing
3 for Vineyard View. This proposed
4 residential site plan is for a 50
5 unit workforce rental housing
6 development including 14 one-bedroom
7 units, 22 two-bedroom units and 14
8 three-bedroom units, a total of
9 2, 649 square feet community center,
10 111 parking spaces of which 97 are
11 associated with dwelling units, 7 are
12 associated with the community center
13 and 7 are land banked; and various
14 other associated site improvements,
15 on a vacant 17.19 acre parcel of
16 which 10 acres will be preserved as
17 open space. 6.3 acres upland and 3.7
18 acres wetland, in the Hamlet Density
19 Zoning District. The property is
20 located at 62600 County Road 48 plus
21 or minus 1, 600 feet of northeast
22 corner of Chapel Lane and County Road
23 48 Greenport, SCTM#1000-40-3-1.
24 And before we start the public
25 hearing, I just want to make an
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1 announcement. This is a preliminary
2 hearing for this application. This
3 means that we're in the beginning stages
4 of review. The purpose of this
5 preliminary hearing is for the project
6 to be introduced formally to the Board
7 and the public. And for the Board to
8 hear initial public concerns and
9 comments. The main public hearing will
10 be held a few months from now and will
11 provide another opportunity for the
12 public to weigh in and provide the
13 Board with their concerns. During the
14 time between this preliminary hearing
15 and the main hearing, the Board will be
16 gathering comments from other agencies,
17 staff and also reviewing your input from
18 tonight. The Board will also be
19 conducting its own review under the State
20 Environmental Quality Review Act, also
21 known as SEQRA. We look forward to
22 hearing from you on what you have to say,
23 but first we will ask the applicant to
24 come forward and make their application.
25 And I would remind everybody that when
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1 they come forward, state your name, sign
2 it, and remember you're speaking to us as
3 a Planning Board and not debating this.
4 Thank you very much. We also have four
5 letters that have come into this, in
6 support of it. We're not going to read
7 them, but they're part of the record. So
8 we have a letter from the Mattituck
9 Presbyterian Church in support of this.
10 And we have a letter from Peconic Landing
11 in support of this. And we have a letter
12 from a Southold resident in support of
13 this. And we have a letter from one of
14 the Trustees of the Greenport Village
15 Board. We don't make policy of reading
16 these letters pro or con, but they're
17 available for comment if anybody needs to
18 see them. Anybody wishing to address the
19 Planning Board on this issue, please step
20 forward. I want to start with the
21 applicant. Thank you.
22 MR. HANDLEMAN: Thank you Board
23 Members. My name is Alan Handleman,
24 I am Vice President of Development of
25 Conifer Realty. Conifer is a 40 year
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1 company that builds and owns and
2 manages affordable housing.
3 Specifically, what we develop, we
4 build. What we build, we own. And
5 what we own, we manage. This
6 involvement in all aspects of the
7 development shows quality and long
8 time care and responsibility. Along
9 with our partners CDCLI, we have
10 developed over 700 units on Long
11 Island. CDCLI was the developer of
12 the successful cottages at Mattituck.
13 CDC and Conifer ere invited into this
14 community by Town Officials, seeking
15 to implement and address affordable
16 housing issues. We began looking for
17 suitable sites. This site in
18 particular was identified by our
19 property management group during the
20 team building event at a local
21 winery. This was attractive on so
22 many levels. Notably it was zoned
23 for multi-family use and had access
24 to utilities of Greenport Sewers. We
25 were familiarized with the previous
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1 multifamily proposal that never
2 progressed. We noted that the New
3 York State DEC approved the project
4 after an extensive environmental
5 review. Insights from that progress
6 have been invaluable and guiding our
7 plan for Vineyard View. Vineyard
8 View with less than 500 of the
9 density a the previous development,
10 along with a more contextual design
11 and approach, meets the affordable
12 housing needs of the community while
13 respecting environmental
14 sensitivities. We sought to learn
15 more about the community and it's
16 need for affordable housing. This
17 including community informations
18 inspections at the Southold Community
19 Center. Meetings with the Northfork
20 Chambers and President.
21 Superintendent of Greenport and
22 Southold Schools. East Marion and
23 Orient Civic Groups, the CEO of
24 Peconic Landing. The CEO of the
25 Eastern Long Island Hospital. The
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1 Mayor of Greenport, Southold Fire
2 Chief, Village of Greenport Trustees,
3 the Town of Southold Housing
4 Commission and Greenport Fire
5 Department. These meetings enhanced
6 our understanding of the town and
7 finding affordable housing for long
8 term residents and employees of the
9 industries, such as agriculture,
10 marine and tourism. The advent of
11 the AIR BNB and other similar sources
12 have resulted in the loss of many
13 rental units in the Town. With
14 landlords realizing greater revenue
15 by renting units during peek season
16 and then operating year round. This
17 would provide long-term year round
18 affordable housing for people within
19 the community. We're grateful for
20 the guidance provided by the Town
21 Staff and the welcoming that we have
22 received from the community. At this
23 point, I would like to introduce our
24 team. Sal Coco, who is the
25 architect. And he will walk through
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1 the buildings. Chris Dwyer, Civil
2 Engineer, Glen Williams from CDCLI,
3 Kathleen Dickson, our Land Use
4 Attorney and my colleagues, Joanna
5 and Betty Perry.
6 MR. DWYER: Good evening. My name
7 is Christopher Dwyer from LK McLean
8 Associate Architects, Engineers and
9 Surveyors, Brookhaven, New York. Our
10 office was engaged to prepare the
11 site civil services, permitting and
12 design for this site complex. Our
13 office worked completely within the
14 framework of the environment. The
15 site plan has been prepared in a
16 manner that would not require any
17 variances or relief from any
18 regulatory agency. The plan was to
19 meet all applicable codes and most
20 importantly, physically meet the
21 surrounded environmental buffers.
22 The recessed site is naturally
23 graded from north to south. So the
24 goal of our design was to create and
25 area that would support accessibility
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1 and connectivity to the various site
2 features. The proposed distributed
3 or developed area, which is
4 approximately 7.2 acres was minimized
5 by a cluster approach, which
6 maximized the preservation of open
7 space and the protection of the sites
8 natural resources. In the center of
9 the development is the communities
10 Village Square feature, which consist
11 of a picnic area, playground and a
12 flagpole feature, with a vegetated
13 area and seating around it. We
14 designed the drainage system as per
15 the New York State DEC stormwater
16 management design manual and Southold
17 Town standards. Half of the
le stormwater is stored in conventional
19 low grade structures, while in the
20 other half in excess of the Town's
21 standards of two inches, is stored in
22 stormwater retention areas or rain
23 guidance, which will treat the runoff
24 through a bio-filtration process
25 prior to any overflow into existing
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1 buffers and the protective wetlands.
2 Off-street parking meets the zoning
3 code and allows for each building,
4 including the community building to
5 have its own parking facility. There
6 are 104 proposed stalls on the site
7 plan, with 7 land banked. Sidewalks
8 and walkways throughout the proposed
9 community have been signed to meet
10 ADA accessibility requirements. A
11 lighting plan meeting the Town's Dark
12 Sky initiatives and energy needs has
13 been prepared to provide proper
14 illumination to the site while
15 respecting surrounding areas from any
16 light spillage from the LED light
17 fixtures. LK has prepared a
18 landscape plan that incarnates
19 indigenous, noninvasive species and
20 do not require a considerable
21 irrigation. The design of the site
22 includes a preliminary approval from
23 the Suffolk County Parks and Public
24 Works for the entrance and exit onto
25 County Road 48. LK as part of this
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1 project has prepared a sanitary
2 collection plan for all waste to be
3 sent to the Village of Greenport's
4 Sewer Plant, in accordance with
5 Suffolk County Department of Health
6 Standards. A utility plan that we
7 prepared shows a public water service
8 from the Suffolk Counter Water
9 Authority. Telephone and electric
10 distributed among the site while
11 natural gas is available on County
12 Road 48 to support heating systems.
13 Lastly, as part of our site civil
14 design, our office has prepared a
15 stormwater pollution prevention plan
16 to properly manage stormwater during
17 and after the construction of this
18 community. Erosion and Sediment
19 Control plan is part of this overall
20 plan in addition to the DEC. Our
21 office has worked closely with the
22 project architect BD Harvey and Coco
23 Architects of Hauppauge to connect
24 the site with the buildings. At this
25 time, I would like to turn it over to
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1 Sal Coco, who will take you through
2 the architectural components of this
3 project.
4 MR. COCO: Good evening, Salvatore
5 Coco, BHC Architects, Hauppauge, New
6 York. As Chris was saying, we
7 designed this site in a village
8 context. Centered around a village
9 square. It's a walkable community
10 within your community. The buildings
11 are all wood framed. There is seven
12 residential buildings and one
13 community building. And what we aim
14 to do is really break down the scale.
15 These are two-story buildings. And
16 the residential buildings themselves
17 are clad in horizontal siding and
18 board and batten siding. Pitched
19 roof's. The windows have a simple
20 Victorian design. We feel in keeping
21 with the area. More of a farmhouse
22 style. The community building
23 features a gym, laundry and a
24 community meeting center for the
25 residents. We met with the
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1 Architectural Review Board. And we
2 received from feedback from them
3 about the color and the materials, as
4 well as, providing some wave finding
5 and making more identity to each
6 unit. We feel that contextually,
7 this fits very well in the local
8 environment. Thank you.
9 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Thank you.
10 Anyone wish to address the Planning
11 Board from the public? Please state
12 your name.
13 MR. WILLIAMS: Good evening. My
14 name is Glen Williams and I am the
15 Vice-President of Asset Management
16 and Resident Services with
17 Community Development Corporation of
18 Long Island. I am here speaking on
19 behalf of Gwen O'Shea, who is the
20 President and CEO of CDCLI. She
21 could not be here tonight. CDCLI has
22 been serving L.I. communities for
23 over 50 years. Working with various
24 Town's and partnerships. Most
25 recently we were known for the
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1 cottages at Mattituck, as was just
2 mentioned. Currently, we have 169
3 units under construction. We have an
4 additional 278 additional units in
5 predevelopment phase. In total to
6 date, we have developed close to 1800
7 units of affordable housing here on
8 Long Island. I think that is
9 important because currently
10 purchasing a home or renting a home
11 on Long Island is extremely expensive
12 for the resident. I have recently
13 released numbers showing 570 of Long
14 Island residents are paying more than
15 300 of their income for housing,
16 while another 320 of Long Island
17 residents are paying more than 50% of
18 their income to their housing. We
19 believe at CDCLI, this is an
20 indicator of the need for affordable
21 housing, particularly in Nassau and
22 Suffolk County, where the Area Median
23 Income is $110, 800 a year, which I
24 found fascinating. In New York and
25 Manhattan, they are less than
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1 $90, 000.00 a year. With further
2 leads us to believe that the 50 units
3 that we have proposed could greatly
4 impact 50 families and significantly
5 reduce the rent burdens that they're
6 paying on Long Island. So we look
7 forward to the continued partnership
8 of Southold and we thank you for
9 considering the approval for the
10 community.
11 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Thank you.
12 MS. FINNEGAN: Good evening. My
13 name is Helen Finnegan. I am a
14 resident of Southold and I also
15 wanted to speak in support of the
16 project. As you know, affordable
17 housing is a challenge in our town.
18 We have relatively little available
19 land on which to build anything. So
20 property costs are quite high. Once
21 you factor in the cost of acquiring
22 land and paying designing buildings
23 and maintain them and service them,
24 there is a significant gap between
25 those costs and what young and
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1 limited workers income could pay to
2 buy or rent. Lack of housing makes
3 low cost labor scarce. People can
4 live further away but the longer
5 commute that is involved and the
6 higher cost of commuting sometimes
7 creates instrumental burdens to
8 remain here as our low cost labor.
9 Last year, in the winter while
10 volunteering at CAST, I gave a ride
11 home to a mother and her two
12 children. She lived on Brown Street
13 in Greenport. I didn't even know of
14 Brown Street. So when we got there,
15 I commented on what a nice house that
16 she and her family had lived in. And
17 she said that they were very happy
18 there but had to move because the
19 owner was taking back the house for
20 another use. She was moving to
21 Patchogue because that was the
22 closest affordable housing that she
23 and her husband could find. He
24 worked in Greenpprt, but they said
25 they had no closer options. As a
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1 community, we do have to do better.
2 And I look forward with the Board
3 moving forward with this initiative.
4 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Thank you,
5 Ms. Finnegan. Anyone else?
6 MS. DEMARATO: Good evening. I am
7 Kathy Demarato. And I am the
8 Director of Community Actions in
9 Southold Town. More commonly known
10 as CAST. Since 1965, CAST has been
11 serving local residents from Laurel
12 to Orient Point and Fisher's Island.
13 We have a food pantry, room with
14 clothes and household items. We
15 provide emergency assistance to
16 families in crisis. We help sign
17 people for benefits and navigate
18 complex process of receiving
19 benefits. We provide computer and
20 ESL classes. Topics on things such
21 as budget readiness, domestic
22 violence, defensive driving. We also
23 provide an early childhood literacy
24 program helping at-risk children
25 prepare for school. Our mission is
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1 to provide a safety net but also to
2 promote self sufficiency. One of the
3 biggest barriers to self sufficiency
4 to our clients is affordable housing.
5 We don't provide housing, but we do
6 provide one-time rent assistance and
7 security deposits through our
8 emergency fund. Every day clients
9 walk through our doors asking us to
10 provide them help for year round
11 affordable housing. Our clients are
12 the community members that help the
13 local businesses thrive. They are
14 the restaurant and hotel workers.
15 They're the vineyard and farm workers
16 and landscapers and the dock
17 builders. But unfortunately as you
18 know, there are not many housing
19 options for members of the community
20 who are working hard at low rage jobs
21 that keep the economy strong. When
22 people are spending a large share of
23 their money on rent, they can't
24 afford food. And as Pulitzer Prize
25 Winner Matthew Desmond stated, the
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1 rent eats first. When families don't
2 have adequate nutrition, this will
3 negatively impact their health and it
4 will also have an impact on the
5 children ability to learn. So
6 because we see first hand the impact
7 of the lack of affordable housing, I
8 am here on behalf of CAST, to show
9 our support for the Vineyard View
10 apartment community. We must ensure
11 that our neighbors with limited
12 incomes, have adequate assistance to
13 safe, decent and affordable housing.
14 In this vibrant community, everyone
15 should have an equitable opportunity
16 to thrive and a safe decent place to
17 call home. So I urge you to move
18 forward in support of Vineyard View
19 community. Thank you.
20 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Thank you for
21 your comments.
22 MS. DIVAGLIO: Good evening. My
23 name is Jennifer DiVaglio and I am
24 here representing the Economics
25 Development Committee of the Town of
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1 Southold. And I just wanted to
2 extend our support for the buildings
3 to move forward as we kind of mirror
4 what has been stated and we see all
5 the need for more housing
6 opportunities for the people that are
7 in this town that are supporting the
8 community. So we're in support.
9 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Thank you.
10 MR. COFFEE: Good evening. My
11 name is Isaac Clay Coffee and I am
12 the founder of Isaac Grey Architects.
13 So I think I fully understand the
14 need for affordable housing as a
15 Southold resident and young
16 architect. I think my primary
17 question or interest is, in the
18 definition in workforce housing
19 versus affordable housing. And how
20 that gets addressed as time proceeds
21 beyond the initial offer of
22 affordable housing? Is this
23 something that is going to be
24 workforce housing in perpetuity or is
25 this going to be something that
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1 expires in ten years? And where do
2 we go with a long term affordable
3 housing and Southold Town? So that
4 is my primary question. I would hope
5 that the Town Planning Board consider
6 that, as they review the site plan
7 and the planning application. Thank
8 you.
9 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Thank you.
10 To answer that question, I am going
11 to ask the developer to step forward,
12 but it's my understanding these are
13 -- and I want to be careful on how I
14 use the word, essentially rent
15 controlled on 50% of them for in
16 perpetuity and the other 50% for 50
17 years. Do you guys want to address
18 that or answer that question?
19 MR. HANDLEMAN: It's my
20 understanding that they are --it's
21 not rent controlled per se, but we're
22 under a regulatory agreement for 50
23 years for all the units.
24 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Regulatory
25 units for 50 years?
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1 MR. HANDLEMAN: Yes. To keep the
2 rent as affordable.
3 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: So then would
4 that be indexed to --
5 MR. HANDLEMAN: It's indexed to
6 the area median income. The rent
7 increases need to bear approved by
8 our funder of New York State.
9 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: And that is
10 for 50 years?
11 MR. HANDLEMAN: Correct.
12 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Thank you.
13 MS. SMITH: Hi. My name is Rona
14 Smith. I am a chair of the Housing
15 Advisory in Southold. And I live in
16 Southold. I wanted to highlight for
17 you some of the reasons why we are
18 very pleased with this development
19 and support it with all of our
20 enthusiasm. And all of our hopes.
21 It's been a long time since we had a
22 development of this sort. And in the
23 intervening years since the Cottages
24 at Mattituck were built, there has
25 only become a wider and wider
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1 disconnect between the price of
2 housing and local salaries. And many
3 people have just seem themselves move
4 further and further away from the
5 possibility of living in safe, legal,
6 code compliant housing. So what the
7 committee did a couple of years ago,
8 is we decided to get proactive about
9 this. We had sent out an RFP for
10 developers to come into our Town to
11 possibly build something. And we got
12 zero responses. And so, we decided
13 to be proactive and go out into the
14 world and see who is building
15 affordable housing on Long Island.
16 And we came up with maximum of three
17 established companies that were
18 building several developments of
19 housing that was safe, attractive,
20 environmentally sensitive and was
21 staying around to manage it. Because
22 in the case of rental housing, the
23 development is not nearly as
24 important in many ways as the
25 management because it's very easy if
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1 people don't have money and don't
2 have the ability to fix things
3 themselves. That things could get
4 shabby and we didn't want that to
5 happen here. So we really looked for
6 established companies that new how to
7 manage developments as these. And
8 new how to make it a success as they
9 come. So we're very excited about
10 this possibility and we support it
11 with all of our enthusiasm. And we
12 hope that it comes to passing. Thank
13 you.
14 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Thank you for
15 your comments. Can you put your name
16 down?
17 MS. FIELD: Hi. My name is
18 Abigail Field, but I am not here for
19 myself tonight. I was asked to
20 deliver testimony for the people who
21 live across the street from the
22 proposed project because they
23 couldn't make it here tonight. Since
24 they live across the street, they're
25 particularly interested in what you
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1 guys do about it. So I will just
2 read from their testimony. Dear
3 Planning Board. We started enjoying
4 our home at 63005 North Road,
5 Greenport, directly across the street
6 from this property in the 1970's. We
7 ask you to focus on three particular
8 areas before taking any action on the
9 project. Traffic safety,
10 environmental protection and true
11 affordability. Since the 70's, we
12 have witnessed a massive increase in
13 traffic on Route 48. Cliff side
14 condominiums were built. The ferry
15 expanded its service. Tourist
16 attractions grew including vineyards
17 and even a lavender farm. Greenport
18 became an increasingly more
19 destination, and all the while Route
20 48 remained 50 mile per hour highway.
21 So while we, meaning the people who
22 live across the street, have seen the
23 cost of housing skyrocket and the
24 traffic. We have several concerns
25 that we want to raise now at this
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1 early stage. So you can make sure
2 that they're addressed if this
3 project goes forward. They are not
4 coming here to say, "no way Jose, "
5 but you know, there is real things to
6 take care of. So first the traffic.
7 This is viewed as two components.
8 First the volume and the negative
9 quality of life it brings. As it is,
10 turning left out of the driveway is
11 impossible in the season much of the
12 day. Even more important is safety.
13 This is a high speed 50 mild an hour
14 road. Deer hazard. There are
15 multiple kills weekly. So our left
16 turns. Notably San Simeon in Cliff
17 Side have left turning lanes. As
18 does Chapel Lane. There is no
19 proposed -- as far as they could see
20 on the plans, a left turning lane for
21 this project. And while they're not
22 traffic engineers and I am certainly
23 not, the angle of that driveway,
24 maybe it's smart, maybe it's not,
25 maybe angled is easier. They are
2
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1 just focused on not having more
2 accident. So in order to really
3 evaluate the traffic situation, they
4 want you to get better data that is
5 on file with the Planning Board right
6 now. In there, there was a car
7 count, traffic study from Route 48,
8 just east of Young Ave from 2015. So
9 that was done and that's Route 48.
10 So that's good; right? But Young Ave
11 is actually a fair long way away. In
12 2015, even though it sounds recent,
13 tourism has just increased to grow.
14 So consider the unique environment of
15 this particular project. Immediate
1:6 west of it is the Sunset Hotel. Lot
17 of in and out. Then it's Cliffside,
18 a lot of in and out. Then it's San
19 Simeon by the Sound next door. A lot
20 of in and out. Just a little further
21 down the road, a 1/2 mile down the
22 road is the Soundview. If you go
23 east, it's the Eastern Long Island
24 Campgrounds, County Park. On either
25 side, you have Chapel Lane, which is
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1 a big cut through between Main Road
2 and North Road. You have Moore's
3 Lane, a big cut through between North
4 Road. The point being, that each of
5 these is a major source of cars and a
6 major destination of cars. It's a
7 fairly unique part of the North Road.
8 And it's a 50 mile an hour road. So
9 we would urge you to get a traffic
10 study right there. Maybe it's not in
11 front of the property but maybe it's
12 a little bit to the west of Moore's
13 Lane and 48 or maybe it's a little
14 east of Chapel Lane and 48. It's a
15 fairly dense and unique situation and
16 you want good data. Similarly, the
17 applicants data on trips, like how
18 much are the houses going to have,
19 are based on the low rise
20 multi-residential. Sounds
21 reasonable; right? I have not read
22 the book of Trip Starts, but sounds
23 like a plausible category, but if you
24 look at the data in there, there is
25 20 studies. There is one of them
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1 that says, Warning. Sample size
2 small. So who knows how meaningful
3 that data is. And then you start
4 reading a little more and some are
5 general urban or suburban summer
6 dense multi use urban. I mean, that
7 is certainly not dense multi use
8 urban, whatever that means. Maybe
9 it's general urban/suburban, but I
10 don't know what that means. This is
11 simply to say that it's hard to have
12 any idea on house useful the
13 projection of trip counts -- is that
14 you're going to get out of this
15 housing. Also, this is workforce
16 housing. It's intended to help all
17 of the people in our restaurants and
18 in our tourism businesses and we
19 don't want the trade parade. We want
20 people to live local. And that means
21 it's going to be even more
22 concentrated during the day. Coming
23 in and out. And on top of this, you
24 have the ferry; right? I mean, the
25 first ferry to load up in Orient
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1 leaves at 7:00 A.M. So the traffic
2 starts heading east before 7:00 A.M.
3 Last ferry -- the first ferry from
4 New London at 8:00 A.M. So they are
5 flowing west at 8:00. It doesn't
6 stop. During the summer time it goes
7 until 8 or 9 at night. So the cars
8 just don't stop. And I mean, I have
9 taken the Cross Town Ferry. You get
10 sort of a train of cars going. And
11 the point of that is, when you're
12 coming into that, trying to turn left
13 and just merge in and turn right, and
14 merge in, it's a bigger impact then a
15 normal trip generated because you
16 have all these cars stacked. So this
17 is not all to say that you can't
18 solve it or anything, but what you
19 need is good data that is actually
20 applicable. You know, we urge you to
21 get a local traffic study. Try to
22 find a general comparator for trip
23 generation. Data from the Cross Town
24 Ferry. You know, consider a left
25 turn lane. Consider working with the
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1 County to get a lower speed limit.
2 Consider enforcing a lower speed with
3 rumble strips. They really want you
4 to take the traffic issue very, very
5 seriously because it's a huge issue.
6 And we all know the horrible
7 accidents that have happened when
8 people have tried to cross the street
9 in that area in the like. So the
10 next issue is the environmental
11 impacts. And it's true, this project
12 has many good features. The efforts
13 to use the green stormwater control,
14 that's great. All the native plants.
15 That's great. It seems reduce
16 environmental impacts. With that
17 said, you know, the file currently
18 has habitat and species that are a
19 few years old. And you know, as the
20 climate is changing, species are
21 moving. You know, the patterns of
22 habitat are shifting north. Species
23 are getting threatened. It would be
24 very helpful to get updated
25 information. Not just rely on the
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1 existing file. You might not find
2 anything problematic or anything that
3 different, but you might find a whole
4 new species living there now or a
5 crash in population of the species
6 because of the climate. So for
7 example, a full environmental
8 assessment form E2MMOP might be
9 outdated. So another thing to
10 consider is that reading the
11 application closely, because again,
12 they live across the street and so
13 they're looking at it closely, there
14 just seem to be a little bit of
15 details that were internally
16 inconsistent. And we're not trying
17 -- and I am not trying to say
18 anything mean or anything. For
19 example, that FEAF depth to
20 groundwater is (Inaudible) average.
21 But if you look at the boar holes,
22 they included a whole table of boar
23 holes; right? A lot of them found
24 water at 8 foot, 9 1/2 foot. 6 foot.
25 Lot of the boar holes didn't even go
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1 deeper than 10 foot. So where is
2 this data that it's 15-20 foot on
3 average on the site? It just didn't
4 make sense. I don't know that it
5 matters. I don't know if it's a big
6 deal. It was just a little bit
7 striking that it wasn't internally
8 consistent. And it makes you wonder
9 how many details aren't internally
10 consistent? So they urge you to look
11 at this really carefully because it
12 matters. So the last point, and was
13 already raised by somebody. What is
14 affordable? And how does it last?
15 Well, we know that it's for 50 years.
16 And that's a lot better than 201-
17
0;17 right? But it's disappointing that
18 there is nothing in perpetuity. And
19 even if it's 50 years, what is
20 affordable? What would the one
21 bedroom or two bedroom or three
22 bedroom be today? Like if we waived
23 a wand today, what would be
24 affordable. And we would love
25 transparency on that because that is
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1 the big justification. Because the
2 Town needs affordable housing. I
3 think the disputes that you have
4 heard all the evidence. But we need
5 a lot more transparency and what
6 affordable really is. I mean, there
7 is a state statute and the index. It
8 would be helpful to get some more of
9 that as you go forward. So again,
10 thank you so much for your time.
11 Please look at these issues carefully
12 and thoroughly. And we look forward
13 to seeing how the process goes. I
14 have copies if you guys would like a
15 copy?
16 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Please. To
17 be clear, we have some information
18 several years ago from when this was
19 rejected and in a somewhat similar
20 but much broader thing. As I said in
21 the beginning, this will require a
22 new SEQRA by this Board. Thank you.
23 Anyone else wishing to address the
24 Board on this issue?
25 MS. MURRAY: Hi. I am Ann Murray.
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1 I am a resident of East Marion and I
2 had some questions. Will there be a
3 draft Environmental Impact Statement
4 required for this project?
5 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: At this
6 point, I would think there probably
7 would be, yes.
8 MS. MURRAY: There will be.
9 Great.
10 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: I didn't say
11 there would be. I said, I think
12 there would be.
13 MR. DUFFY: We have not made that
14 determination yet.
15 MS. LANZA: Well, just to clarify,
16 the Board is beginning their SEQRA
17 review, so they haven't made a
18 determination yet. So we don't know.
19 MS. MURRAY: Okay.
20 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: But there
21 will be a SEQRA initially and that
22 will --
23 MS. LANZA: The Environmental
24 Impact Statement is a step that we
25 may or may not get to.
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1 MS. MURRAY: So unknown at this
2 point. Thank you. Is this a
3 permitted use in that zoning district
4 or will a zone change be required?
5 MR. DUFFY: It's a permitted use.
6 MS. MURRAY: Okay. Because I saw
7 a note from the Building Inspector
8 that it was not a permitted use in
9 the file, but maybe he is wrong.
10 Okay. I also note, I combed through
11 the file quite a bit that was
12 submitted with the applicant. And it
13 says that it would include 2. 9 acres
14 of impervious surface. I guess that
15 would be for roadways and parking
16 lots or whatever. And it says it
17 will collect and reuse the
18 stormwater, which is great. I am all
19 for that. I think that the builder
20 should really look into getting
21 pervious surfaces. There are parking
22 lots now that can be pervious. There
23 are roadways that can be pervious.
24 So that would be really helpful
25 considering that the area is very
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1 environmental significant. So I
2 would urge that they look into that.
3 I was also surprised, as was
4 Abigail's client, to see that they
5 checked no for any substantial
6 increase in traffic. I think that is
7 something that you should have a
8 second look at. We all know that
9 there was a traffic summit recently.
10 The whole Southold had a huge
11 increase in traffic. And with 50
12 units on this site, there will be an
13 increase in traffic flow. I am also
14 concerned about the need for a left
15 turn lane. There are many deer
16 strikes right around that curve. I
17 myself hit a deer there two years ago
18 and almost crashed my car. And that
19 was in the middle of the day. So
20 it's kind of a dangerous roadway and
21 I would urge you to do another more
22 recent traffic study. I also noticed
23 on the Environmental Form that they
24 filed, they checked no, on whether
25 the site was adjacent to a critical
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1 environmental area. I guess it might
2 not technically be right next to or
3 adjacent; however, we have Moore's
4 Drain and the Peconic Estuary to
5 consider, which are considered
6 critical environmental areas. So I
7 would urge that you make sure all the
8 I's are dotted and the T' s are
9 crossed as far as the environmental
10 issues concerning this property.
11 Don't get me wrong, I am very much in
12 favor of affordable housing. It's
13 been a critical need for a very long
14 time, but these are concerns. I am
15 not saying don't do the project. I
16 am saying, make sure every effort is
17 made to make sure it's a good project
18 for that site. I am also concerned
19 that it's not affordable in
20 perpetuity. I am wondering, what
21 agency exactly be regulating these
22 rents? It's not going to be the Town
23 as far as I know. Would it be New
24 York State?
25 MR. HANDLEMAN: Yes. It would be
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1 New York State Office of Homes and
2 Community.
3 MS. MURRAY: So the State HUD --
4 MR. HANDLEMAN: HCR is the
5 acronym.
6 MS. MURRAY: Okay. And do you
7 know how often they raise the rents.
8 MS. PERRY: Rents are typically
9 reviewed annually. They can go up.
10 They can go down. It's typically
11 prided to the AMI, Average Median
12 Income. So it's applied directly to
13 that.
14 MS. MURRAY: Thank you. And the
15 other question that I had and it has
16 been asked already, but I just want
17 to make sure people are aware of it.
18 Apparently there is no presence that
19 can be made with this project with
20 the Town residents that are currently
21 on the Affordable Housing List. It
22 has to remain open to the County; is
23 that correct?
24 MR. HANDLEMAN: The marketing and
25 the realty are open to such things.
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1 No just one. The logical place to
2 market to is this immediate
3 community. Our experience in other
4 affordable housing on Long Island
5 that are far more central, like Coram
6 and Copaigue, 90% of the people that
7 applied and lived there are from the
8 immediate community. The reality
9 here, the demand and the need for
10 housing in the Town of Southold are
11 really for Town of Southold
12 residents. So we have heard stories
13 about commuting. It would be
14 illogical for someone from central
15 Long Island to want to live here so
16 that they could commute. I think
17 that the reality is that the
18 residents will largely come from the
19 community.
20 MS. MURRAY: Thank you. And will
21 there be an onsite management office
22 for the community living there?
23 MR. HANDLEMAN: Yes. There is a
24 community building which we have a
25 leasing office or a maintenance
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1 facility there. A fitness and
2 laundry are all on site. At this
3 point, we're constructing a community
4 in Riverhead. Some of the management
5 and maintenance will be shared
6 facilities but it will be staffed
7 with regular business hours during
8 the course of the week.
9 MS. MURRAY: Great. I also
10 noticed that in the documents that
11 checked, no -- there are there a lot
12 of green things and you know, swales
13 in there and they're protecting the
14 wetlands. It was checked no, for
15 integrated pest management. And I
16 would suggest you may want to look
17 into something like that. If you
18 would be doing rain gardens that
19 would be something to go nicely with
20 it. And you also noted that
21 occasional use of pesticides and
22 herbicides may be necessary given the
23 proximity to the critical
24 environmental area. I would ask that
25 you look into integrated pest
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1 management instead. Thank you. And
2 again, I am very much in favor of
3 affordable housing, in particular,
4 this project, if all these
5 environmental issues can be looked
6 into and secured before the project
7 goes forward. Thank you.
8 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Can you just
9 repeat your name, please?
10 MS. MURRAY: Sure. Ann Murray.
11 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Your
12 questions will be reviewed and dealt
13 with. Thank you.
14 Anyone else?
15 REV. JOHNSON: Good evening. I am
16 Garret Johnson. I am a Southold
17 resident. I am also a pastor at
18 St. Peter's Lutheran Church in
19 Greenport. I also serve as the
20 chairman of the Board of a
21 corporation known as San Simeon by
22 the Sound, Inc. I am also a Board
23 member of San Simeon by the Sound and
24 Center for Rehabilitation as well.
25 We would be the closest thing to a
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1 neighbor on the same side of the
2 street. I came in a little late. I
3 apologize to that. Had you reached
4 out to San Simeon as well for
5 input?
6 MR. HANDLEMAN: To my knowledge,
7 I am personally not involved in that.
8 REV. JOHNSON: I heard a list of
9 names. I was curious as to whether
10 any communication had taken place
11 with San Simeon by the Sound.
12 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: I don't know
13 that these were solicited or
14 unsolicited comments. We have four
15 letters that one of which was asked
16 to read. We declined to read them
17 because they were part of the
18 record. Two of them were from
19 professional businesses. I mentioned
20 those two.
21 REV. JOHNSON: There was Peconic
22 Landing.
23 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Peconic
24 Landing wrote a positive letter, as
25 did Presbyterian Church in Mattituck.
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1 There was also a letter from the
2 Village Trustee and a private
3 individual.
4 REV. JOHNSON: I would encourage
5 some conversation with San Simeon. I
6 would ask that they consider
7 communication with the closest
8 neighbors and the nursing home,
9 considering that there is
10 construction going on. Relatively
11 close to where the nursing home is.
12 Its just directly west of it. I
13 don't imagine construction noise
14 would be significant, but it might be
15 something that a conversation would
16 be worthy to have. But potential
17 unsettledness to the residents of the
18 nursing home.
19 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: We could
20 understand that. And typically of
21 projects this size, the Planning
22 Board is very aggressive in putting
23 hours of operation, dust control and
24 like that. I am not saying that they
25 are going to be but we have done that
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1 in the past and we're going to look
2 at this.
3 REV. JOHNSON: Thank you. As the
4 pastor of St. Peters, I am speaking
5 for myself. I am not speaking for
6 the St. Peters. I would also then
7 add my voice in encouragement of this
8 project in going ahead. I do believe
9 that affordable housing for the
10 community, workforce housing
11 especially, is essential. And I
12 believe that speaking for itself and
13 knowing my folks, I believe they
14 would feel the same way. So I would
15 add my voice of support of their
16 behalf. I would also mention to the
17 Board and this is probably not the
18 appropriate time to do it, but there
19 has been conversation at San Simeon
20 Center for Rehab for affordable
21 housing. Some conversation has taken
22 place centered around that topic
23 indirectly. At this point in time,
24 we have come to an impasse because of
25 the zoning issues. Would we simply
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1 come to you and address those
2 things?
3 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: I think your
4 comments are being recorded now, and
5 it's my understanding that this is
6 not -- moderate income rental
7 housing. Its not going to be by
8 definition workforce. And I may be
9 wrong about this. And these are
10 questions that the Planning Board has
11 discussed in es and we will pursue
12 it. It's my understanding that it's
13 a rental and you don't have to be 25
14 or 30 years old. This would be open
15 to all ages. This would basically be
16 rent controlled for moderate income
17 housing.
18 REV. JOHNSON: I guess my reason
19 for raising it, it would also be
20 fair, we're in great need of senior
21 affordable housing for the community
22 as well.
23 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: That is
24 pretty clear.
25 REV. JOHNSON: Thank you for your
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1 time.
2 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Rev. Johnson,
3 thank you for your time.
4 Anyone else?
5 MS. OKANE: Hello. My name is
6 Debbie Okane. And I live in Orient.
7 And I am a member of the Town's
8 Housing Advisory Commission, but I am
9 also president of the Northfork
10 AutoBon. Just down the street from
11 where this is being proposed. I am
12 also the Program Director for
13 Northfork Environmental Council. So
14 I truly believe that we need
15 affordable housing. I also feel that
16 we need to make this as
17 environmentally compliant and
18 environmentally sensitive as we
19 possibly can. It's my understanding
20 that there is going to be some sort
21 of LEEDS certification of compliance?
22 And I have not heard that mentioned
23 at all. I was wondering if that is
24 still -- those standards are going to
25 be incorporated at all? I was
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1 wondering if Solar has been
2 considered for this project?
3 Installation of solar panels. I
4 would like to see this as sustainable
5 as possible can be. This is the
6 first time that I am hearing, again,
7 getting back to sustainability, that
8 this project will not be affordable
9 in perpetuity. And I would like to
10 know exactly why not, and if any
11 portion of this will be affordable in
12 perpetuity because the is exactly
13 what we need for this Town?
14 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Again,
15 you're addressing the Planning Board.
16 These are questions that we will list
17 and staff is recording this. We will
18 list it and we will go back and
19 discuss with the developers and
20 things like that. I want to be
21 careful on what I say and how I say
22 it. We were under the impression --
23 I was personally under the impression
24 that a big percentage of this was in
25 perpetuity affordable, I don't want
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1 to say rent controlled but indexed to
2 these rents. So some of this has
3 come out to a surprise for us. But
4 it is something that is on our list
5 to discuss. Solar panels are
6 something that we can discuss with
7 this. As an example of this, and
8 again, I want to be careful what I
9 say because I always say too much,
10 Heritage in Cutchogue, we negotiated
11 a lot of different details and stuff
12 like that. They have to do air
13 quality during construction. They
14 had to septic systems. I think
15 you're going to want to encourage
16 this project but also want to be
17 aggressive in protect this
18 environment in the interest of the
19 people of Southold.
20 MS. OKANE: And I know Ann Murray
21 had mentioned about integrated pest
22 management. I would like to see
23 organic landscaping incorporated into
24 this project. The property includes
25 very sensitive habitat and wetlands.
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1 And we should not be putting any sort
2 of toxic chemicals on the land that
3 can leech into those wetlands.
4 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: I think in
5 most cases we have in our conditions
6 -- most cases we have that in
7 conditions and have a list of native
8 plantings and things like that.
9 MS. OKANE: Thank you.
10 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Thank you.
11 Anyone else?
12 MS. FIELD: I just have a
13 question. Abigail Field again for
14 Nell Jolmand. I am really struggling
15 with this affordability thing. I
16 heard it was index to average median
17 income and I don't even understand
18 what that is because average median
19 are different. Maybe it's area
20 median income or something. But
21 where do we get the transparent that
22 this means affordable? Will you guys
23 give a statement of what the
24 standards of affordability are?
25 Where do we go look? How do we find
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1 out? What does that mean to be
2 indexed to? Is that 30%?
3 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Again, this
4 is something that we discussed in a
5 meeting that was a list of questions
6 that we have to ask. Perhaps this
7 gentleman is going to answer it more
8 directly right now but we ask him to
9 speak to us and not to you. Thank
10 you very much. Again, very good
11 points. Staff is noting all your
12 questions. And while we can't answer
13 all your questions, we do try to
14 answer all the different questions
15 that have been asked.
16 MS. FIELD: I very much appreciate
17 for the doing a thorough job.
18 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Thank you.
19 Now can you answer --
20 MR. WILLIAMS: I can. Glen
21 Williams, I am with CDCLI. If anyone
22 decides that they want to look up the
23 exact definition of affordability,
24 they need had do research of Section
25 32 of the IRS Code. It is an
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1 extremely lengthy tax code.
2 Affordability in this case, it can
3 mean 200 of PMI which is 30, 40, 50,
4 60 an sometimes 110. It depends on
5 what is being awarded at the time of
6 approval. We have not gotten to that
7 step yet and it's not being
8 intentionally held back. It's not
9 that Conifer of CDC is not being
10 transparent. It's something that has
11 not been given, but once it has been
12 given, it will be provided.
13 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Will that
14 differ if we have one bedroom -- and
15 I don't want to get into this too
16 deep. If it's a one bedroom, if it's
17 a percentage of AMI, Area Median
18 Income, is that per family or per --
19 MR. WILLIAMS: Per household.
20 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: That would be
21 individual or something that we have
22 to negotiate with you.
23 MR. WILLIAMS: So it could be two
24 in a one bedroom or it could be one
25 in a one bedroom. So generally
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1 speaking, in Suffolk and Nassau
2 County, I have seen 50 and 60 used
3 the most. So it would be a percent
4 of their median income to qualify for
5 a one bedroom.
6 MR. HANDLEMAN: Alan Handleman. I
7 can speak to the specifics. The Area
8 Median Income is something that is
9 published by HUD on an annual basis
10 and it's the area median income for a
11 family of four in Nassau and Suffolk
12 County. And that is what the basis
13 is. And again, that is published
14 every year on an analysis. That is
15 what it's indexed to. What we have
16 applied for is that 25 of the units
17 would be affordable to households
18 earning up to 50% of the area median
19 income and 50% of the units would be
20 affordable to units earning up to 60%
21 of the area median income. That
22 being said, some of its formulated
23 but I can tell you that where it
24 lands today. The one bedroom range
25 is between $909.00 and $1, 117.00 for
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1 a one bedroom unit. For a two
2 bedroom unit, that is $1, 094.00 to
3 $1,394 .00. For a three bedroom unit,
4 that $1,264 .00-$1, 552.00. So that is
5 the formula that exist today. The
6 State is very careful in allowing
7 rent increases that you can't simply
8 say that the area median income went
9 up and now you raise my rent. The
10 State really looks at what is the
11 cost of operating for the facility.
12 The State is actually fairly rigid in
13 that regard. Their goal is to keep
14 the rent as low as possible. And
15 further, we have to do an annual
16 audit that gets reviewed by the
17 State as well. So we're transparent
18 but we are also forced into a much
19 higher level of transparency. And
20 the average operator of housing.
21 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH:
22 Mr. Handleman, can I ask you one
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24 MR. HANDLEMAN: Sure.
25 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: You said, 250
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1 of the units would be at 500 of the
2 AMI --
3 MR. HANDLEMAN: No, it's 50% at 25
4 units.
5 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: 25 units.
6 And then the other 25 would be at
7 60%?
8 MR. HANDLEMAN: Correct.
9 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: That's why I
10 didn't get the math correct. Thank
11 you. So it's half and half.
12 Anyone else?
13 MS. SMITH: I just_ want to address
14 this. The point of reference, the
15 Cottages at Mattituck serve which
16 were purchased served a population
17 that was 80 to 120% of area median
18 income. So we're trying to serve a
19 population that has fewer earnings
20 and don't have down payments. So
21 they're going to live in rental
22 houses. And in terms of longevity of
23 the rents, I believe that is 50
24 years, they recall (Inaudible) and
25 the 500 of those levels will stay in
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1 perpetuity. So we don't lose these.
2 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: So after 50
3 years, 1/2 of them can become market
4 rate and the other remain at --
5 MS. SMITH: That is what I wanted
6 to say.
7 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Anyone else?
8 (No Response. )
9 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: This is a
10 preliminary hearing and so we will
11 reconvene at some other point --
12 MEMBER RAFFERTY: I make a motion
13 to close the preliminary hearing.
14 MEMBER SIDOR: Second.
15 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Motion made
16 to close the preliminary hearing and
17 seconded. Any discussion?
18 (No Response. )
19 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Motion made by
20 Pierce. Seconded by Martin.
21 All in favor?
22 MEMBER SIDOR: Aye.
23 MEMBER RAFFERTY: Aye.
24 VICE-CHAIRMAN RICH: Aye.
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