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Home My WebLink AboutPETRIE, DONALD DONALD d. PETRIE II FAIRVIEW AVENUE GREAT NECK, NEW YORK IIO23 October 20, 1995 Mr. Albert J. Krupski President, Southold Board of Trustees Town Hall 53095 Main Rd. P.O. Box 1179 Southold, AIY 11971 Dear Mr. Krupski, RE: 16215 Soundview Ave., Southold, NY This new material, a corrected survey and an apologetic letter from Mr. Van Tuyl, copies of both which are enclosed, should be helpful in closing the file on this minor misunderstanding. If Mr. Van Tuyl's original survey had shown the true location of the small platform, neither Mr. Boris Grzic, our new neighbor, nor the Town would ever have become involved. Too, now that Mr. Paul Te~enhuis oz the ~u.~.~ Department of~~e~'~,'~-',~ Soil Conservation Service has recommended we should leave the platform alone, it would seem the interests of all parties are satisfied. I look forward to your agreement and thank you for your patience and understanding. Encls. cc: Linda Kowalski Board of Appeals Diane Herbert Clerk, Trustees DJP/fcb RODERICK VAN TUYL, P.C. 218 FRONT STREET PO~'T OFFICE BOX 8 GREENPOET, NEW YORK 11944 TO Donald Petrie 11 Fairview Avenue Great Neck, NY 11023 DATE Oct. 2, 1995 SUSJECT Survey map Dear Mr. Petrie: As per our conversation, I am enclosing copies of your corrected survey of the Southold property, showing the proper location of both your house and the platform. I am sure you are relieved, as well as we are, to now have the true pic- ture of things there. As discussed, our field location of your house was done correctly, b.ut there was an erroneous plotting of it on the map, resultmng^an apparent 25-foot offset from the line to the house. Our recent research and retrace found this situ- ation to be in error, and thanks to your finding that pipe, we now have the true picture, showing the offset to be 37~ feet, and the much-discussed platform to be 13 feet clear of the line. We have noted an amended date~ on your map, and are sending a copy of your neighbor's survey to him with the correct notation. not Trusting that the matter has,caused you too much trouble, and that all can be straightened out with the building department of the Town, we apologize for the concern of all. Very truly yours, DONALD J. PETRIE II FAIRVIEW AVENUE GREAT N~OK..NEW YORK. 11023 SEP I 8 1995 September 14, 1995 Mr. Albert J. Krupski President, Southold Board of Trustees Town Hall 53095 Main Road P.O. Box 1179 Southold, NY 11971 Dear Mr. Krupski, I am reluctant no bring such a small mamner to one as busy as you are but I'm confident this situation can be easily resolved if the facts are clear and if i know exactly what I should do to eliminate a zoning violation I received from the town Augusn 15, 1995. Here's the background. * We built our house at 16215 Soundview Avenue twenty-three years ago in the summer of 1972. with the scrap, lumber from the new house, I constructed a very rudimentary platform maybe 4 ft. x 6 ft. at the top of the cliff overlooking the sound * Our daughter was married at the Presbyterian Church in Southold on August 7, 1982. Since we planned the reception am home, we replaced my rough handiwork with a new platform approx. 8 ft. x 10 ft. more than 13 years ago in the Spring of 1982. We now find there's no evidence the platform builder got a building permit. * For all these years we have had no neighbors on either side of our property. This changed recently when the property wesn of us was recently sold. * The land survey for the new owner showed, to our surprise, a sliver of our platform was on his property. (During negotiations for the purchase of the property nexn to us some one (probably the realtor involved) checked with the Town of Southold and could not find a building permit for the 13 year old platform.) * We have smnce worked out a very simple and amicable arrangement with Mr. & Mrs. Boris Grzic, the purchasers of the property next to us, so that the platform location is no longer an issue, which leads us to the violation and the apparent failure to apply for a building permit 13 years ago. * I would like to do whatever you suggest to bring this to a close. However, I am strongly convinced that to remove the platform would do great ecological harm to a sensitive area of the cliff. Please note that: The US Department of Agriculture Soil Conservation Service has examined our property, particularly the face of the cliff and has recommended that the platform should remain intact. (Mr. Paul TeNyenhuis, of the Soil Conservation Service, also makes the point on the enclosed copy of his inventory and evaluation dated Sept. 8, 1995, that "Dense vegetation surrounds the deck on all sides'~ and '~Removal of the deck will disturb the existing vegetation".) Wou!dn;t it be a logical solution for you and your Board of Trustees to simply grant me a waiver on this minor matter? E.G. "Waivers are granted for projects the Trustees feel are minor matters which would have no environmental impact if imple- mented''.* I thank you for your help and understanding. S/ncerelY, l~ Encl. *The Board of Trustees' Policies, August 1994. cc: Linda Kowalski Board of Appeals Diane Herbert Clerk, Trustees DJP/fcb INVENTORY & EV/XLUATION OF LAND, WATER, AND RELATED RESOURCES REQUESTED BY no~ Petrie LOCATION ~m~n¢l Avom~e E~rf~n~nn: gn~]fhold, NY ASSISTED BY Paul TeNyenhuis * ~[ INDIVIDUAL DATE September 8, 1995 GROUP I-1 UNIT OF GOVERNMENT SITUATION: A site inspection was performed at Mr. Petrie's home on Sound Ave. Extension in Southold on September 8, 1995. Met Mr. Petrie at the house where he explained he needs an evaluation of lhe, bluff and an overhanging deck to receive a Certificate of Occupancy and permits from the Town of Southold. The lot is heavily vegetated across the rear yard leading up to the bluff's edge. No apparent erosion problems exist on the lot. One of two footpaths gently slopes toward the bluff face leading to a stairwell. Repairs had been done due to damage by past storm activity. All of the upper half to two thirds of the bluff face is still heavily vegetated. Erosion has caused damage to the lower one third to half of the bluff face. Much of this has been left bare and a vertical drop appears just below the existing vegetation. There are no toe stabilizaiton structures at this site or to either side. Debris has been piled along the toe, some on purpose, some by storm tide deposits. The second footpath is flat to gently rising to the platform deck overhanging the bluff. Dense vegetation surrounds the deck on ali sides. SUGGESTED SOLUTION(S) , Toe stabilization is recommended but may be prohibitively expensive due to lack of access. Contact Jay Tanski at New York Sea Grant Extension Service, phone 632-8730 for professional recommendations on toe stabilization structures. Permits will be required for construction by New York State Dept. of Environmental Conservation and the Town Planning Board. Trees on the bluff create an erosion hazard. Remove them by cutting them off at the base and dispose of them away from the bluff. However, leave the root system intact so as not to disturb the bluff face. Normally, we recommend cutting back the slope of the bluff to a natural angle of repose, however in this situation you would lose your existing vegetation. Therefore, after any construction and tree removal, plant the bare areas to 'Cape' American Beachgrass by following the enclosed technical information. Understand that if a hardening structure is not used to stabilize the toe of the bluff then erosion may occur more rapidly. The area surrounding the deck appears stable for now. If the toe con- tinues to ero cb, loss of the deck will follow. Removal of the deck will disturb the existing vegetation. Minor alterations to the deck are possible without disturbing the bluff face. We recommend leaving the deck intact unless it becomes undermined. Town Hall, 53095 Main Road F'. O. Box 1179 Southold, New York 11971 Fax (516) 765-1823 Telephone (516) 765-1802 OFFICE OF THE BUILDING TOWN OF SOUTHOLD June 12, T OWN_OF SOUTHOL9 Mr. Donald Petrie 11 Fairview Avenue Great Neck, N.Y. 11023 Re: 16215 Soundview Avenue, Southold, N.Y. Suff. Co. Tax Map ~1000-50-2-14 Dear Mr. Petrie: As a follow up of our conversation concerning the platform deck constructed on the bluff on the above property, I am enclosing a building permit application and a form from the Town Trustees. Please contact the Town Trustee's first before any other process can take place. Very truly yours, SOUl, OLD TOWN BUILDING DEPT. JMB:gar (Cert. Mail) cc to: Town Trustees Office