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Southold Town Hall
February 26, 2018 Meeting
Called to Order: 10:05 AM by Chairman Neb Brashich.
Members Present
Councilman William Ruland, Town Engineer Jamie Richter, Planning Director Heather Lanza,
Jim Baker, Jim Kalin, Greenport Trustee Mary Bess Phillips, Highway Superintendent Vincent
Orlando, Frank Field and Tom Fox.
Also Attending
Mattituck-Laurel Civic Association representative Mary Eisenstein and New Suffolk residents
Arlene and Elizabeth Castellano.
Approval of January 22, 2018 Meeting Minutes
The language on page 1, under Request for Two State Route 25 Pedestrian Crossings, was
corrected to reflect that Geographic Information System Coordinator John Sepenoski had made
in fact made that request. A motion to approve the minutes, as amended, was made by Jamie
Richter, was seconded by Mary Bess Phillips and was carried.
East End Transportation Council - Update
There was no EETC meeting.
Traffic Summit— February 28th, 10:OOAM, Peconic Recreation Center
The above meeting will be the first of three meetings intended to address traffic and parking
issues on the North Fork in the Towns of Riverhead and Southold. Attendance at the February
meeting will be limited to the representatives of state, county and local legislatures as well as
police and other agencies. Thereafter, a second meeting will include members of the business,
farming and education communities to seek their inputs on traffic and parking issues. A third
meeting will include members of the public.
Among the issues to be discussed are:
Traffic and parking issues associated with "agritourism" as well as scheduled annual
events in the two towns.
Workable solutions.
Although there will be no public participation or discussion permitted at the first meeting,
the public may submit comments and questions to the Commission in writing.
Minutes will be maintained for each meeting for distribution to attendees.
Resident's Discussion re Mattituck Roundabout
On January 29, 2018, Neb and Jamie attended a meeting hosted by the Mattituck-Laurel Civic
Association at the Mattituck Presbyterian Church for a public discussion of three proposed
solutions to traffic issues at the intersection of SR25, Love Lane and Old Sound Avenue.
Detailed presentations and graphics for each proposal were discussed.
Jamie commented on the meeting and estimated that the cost of a roundabout at Love Lane &
SR25 would be in the region of$6 to $8 million. He reported that any federal funding for that
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project would be limited to 20%, although the Long Island congressional delegation might able
to achieve a larger percentage of federal participation. Grants from NYSDOT may also be
available, as the issue is one of traffic safety.
Ms. Eisenstein noted MLCA that had not raised the issue of a roundabout and that it had first
appeared in a previous traffic study.
Status Report—Town-wide Parking Inventory
No update on the previous report.
Review of Parking Presentation to Town Board - Pending
Public Requests
New Suffolk Parkinq Proposal
Arlene Castellano reviewed her email of January 27, 2018 to the Supervisor and other Town
officials concerning parking in that hamlet and at the Town Beach there. She also presented a
graphic showing the current parking situation and suggested possible changes.
Jamie suggested that residents and other interests in New Suffolk should submit a signed
majority petition with proposed solutions for further discussion at a subsequent meeting with the
Commission.
After the Castellanos departed the meeting, the issue of signage concerning boat trailer length
limits was discussed.
Supervisor, Town Board & Town Trustees Requests
Parkinq on Lighthouse Road Request—Southold
The Supervisor's memo of February 1, 2018 forwarded an email from a concerned local
resident concerning parking and public safety issues on and around that roadway. Although the
issue is considered to be a matter of enforcement, Highway Superintendent Orlando will review
the signage at that location and report his findings. In the meantime, the matter was tabled.
Planning Board Requests
Town Comprehensive Plan
Heather Lanza discussed the detailed RFP's issued on January 18, 2018, with replies due by
February 2. Two consultants have submitted proposals, which will be discussed by the Town
Board on February 27. The selected consultant will meet with the Commission thereafter.
Heather also submitted the draft outline of January 28 for the Transportation and Infrastructure
Chapter of the Plan for the Commission's review.
Current Transportation Issues - Updates
Southold / Greenport Bus Shelters - No Installation Contract— Next Spring
Jim Kalin reported that SCDPW had inventoried its current shelters and that the Southold
shelters remained on the SCDPW list for implementation.
Peconic Water Taxi Proposal
Tom Fox reported that he had further discussed the issue with Hampton Jitney's senior
management, which remains interested in reviving the service. However, HJ will require an
association with a seasoned water transit operator and some manner of subsidy. The proposal
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should be presented to EETC for its input, with a view toward securing NYS funding for a
feasibility study.
Old Business
North Fork Trolley Shuttle Proposal for Southold Town — North Fork Promotion Council New
2018 Grant— Review Pending for 2017
It is understood that the 2017 trial program was very successful and that a $125,000 grant from
NYS Department of Economic Development is being sought for 2018. Denis Noncarrow will be
invited to update the Commission concerning the shuttle trolley program.
New Business
Jamie and Heather discussed the issue of Uber and Lyft ride-share services in the Town of
Southold. Heather noted that Uber was operating in the Town, although the service was
reported to be unreliable. It was also reported that NYS had assumed state-wide jurisdiction
over those services.
Next Meeting
The next meeting is scheduled for Monday, March 19, 2018 at 10:00 AM in the conference room
at Town Hall.
Adjournment
The meeting was adjourned at 12:00 PM.
cc: Town Clerk
Respectfully submitted,
Thomas F. Fox
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Traffic Summit
Southold Recreation Center
Peconic, NY
February 28th, 2018 — 10:00 AM
Agenda
Welcome
Town of Southold Supervisor Scott A. Russell
Main Traffic Issues — Seasonal/Yearly
Riverhead
Southold
Greenport
Discussion of Various Options & Funding Requirements
Agreement on Course of Action & Timetable
Next Steps:
Business Community Input meetings
General Public Input Meetings
Reconvene this Group to Discuss Final Action
Adjournment
Attendees
Town of Southold
Supervisor Scott Russell
Deputy Supervisor, Councilman William Ruland
Police Chief Martin Flatley
Police Executive Officer Captain Frank Kruszeski
Planning Director Heather Lanza
Town Engineer James Richter
Government Liaison Officer Denis Noncarrow
Transportation Commission
Chairman Neboysha Brashich
James Kalin
Thomas F. Fox
Village of Greenport
Mayor George W. Hubbard, Jr.
Trustee Mary Bess Phillips
Village Administrator Paul J. Pallas, P.E.
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Town of Riverhead
Councilwoman Catherine Kent
Police Chief David J. Hegermiller
State of New York
Legislature
Joann Scalia Chief of Staff to Senator Kenneth LaValle
Angela Noncarrow Legislative Aide to Assemblyman Palumbo
State Police
Gary Ryan
Frederick S. Ortiz
Department of Transportation
Resident Engineer Kevin Matthei
Suffolk County
Legislature
John Stype Legislative Aide to Legislator Alfred Krupski
Department of Public Works
Chief Engineer William Hillman
Director of Traffic Engineering and Highway Permits Daniel J. Dresch, Jr.
Sheriff
Chief Deputy Sheriff Michael Sharkey
Chris Brockmeyer
Proceedings
At 10:13 AM, Supervisor Russell welcomed the attendees and requested them to
identify themselves.
Councilman Ruland outlined the issues for discussion.
Chief Hegermiller observed that "volume" on Sound Avenue is a major issue, with traffic
overflowing onto SR25 and Peconic Bay Boulevard. He also noted that the several
Harbes venues provide parking for about 1,300 cars and that those spaces should be
used more efficiently. Specifically, he suggested that parking should be encouraged on
the south side of Sound Avenue and that egress would be only by a right turn onto the
eastbound roadway.
Ms. Noncarrow suggested that resident stickers be issued.
Councilman Ruland suggested that solutions implemented in other towns and cities
should be considered and also noted that Cross Sound Ferry traffic was also a factor in
roadway volume. He also suggested that the timing of the stoplight on SR25 at South
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Jamesport Avenue and the direction of traffic flows on SR25 could be adjusted on
weekends. Another possible solution would be "ticket and tow", which is currently not
available in the Town of Southold.
Councilwoman Kent suggested solutions must be proactive and that all ideas should be
considered.
Ms. Noncarrow inquired as to whether"GPS" could be updated to allow for better road
usage. However, Supervisor Russell suggested that it would be difficult to achieve that
result.
Chief Flatley observed that the towns of Southold and Riverhead have different traffic
issues at different times. Greenport's Maritime Festival occurs in summer, while
Harbes' pumpkin and apple stands occur in the fall at the Riverhead-Southold town line.
He also suggested that one-way traffic on roadways would not be workable.
Trustee Phillips noted that Sound Avenue is a "historic corridor" and that improvements
to that roadway would be difficult.
Chief Flatley observed that the organizers of the Mattituck Strawberry Festival have
succeeded in encouraging vehicles to park at Martha Clara Vineyard, with shuttle buses
moving occupants to the event venue.
Councilman Ruland noted that the North Fork Trolley trial had proven to be successful
and that grants were being sought for continued operation in 2018. The LIRR's
adjustment of weekend schedules and added service at more useful times is expected
to contribute to the alleviation of traffic congestion.
He also noted that as Greenport has become a walkable "destination", LIRR schedule
changes would be an improvement. Nonetheless, residents must accept the changes
that becoming a "destination" entail and that there must be time and location limits on
parking. Moreover, farm stands east of Greenport see less traffic due to congestion to
the west.
Mayor Hubbard observed that event parking at the fields on Moore's Lane with the use
of shuttle buses had proven effective. However, he also noted that parking in the
Village is now at maximum capacity and that residents felt unable to leave their houses.
Commissioner Fox noted that resumption of seasonal water taxi service between Sag
Harbor and Greenport is actively being considered by the previous operator.
M. Scalia suggested that a Hampton Jitney stop at the Eastwind complex should be
considered.
Supervisor Russell noted that the usage of shuttles might bring unforeseen impacts.
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Legislative Aide Stype noted the "jump on/jump off' Hampton Hopper on the South Fork
and suggested that school parking lots should be considered for shuttle parking.
Councilman Ruland noted that Southold had conducted a town-wide inventory of public
and private parking spaces and also observed that school districts have been reluctant
to participate in the use of their lots for third-party parking because of liability concerns.
However, he suggested that financial incentives might be considered in that regard.
He also suggested that the impact of Cross Sound Ferry traffic ought to be considered
in any traffic study.
Legislative Aide Stype noted that, during the last U.S. Open Golf Championship at
Shinnecock Hills in Southampton, road lanes were adjusted to accommodate vehicle
traffic.
Commissioner Fox pointed out that the LIRR had also constructed a temporary station
at the former Southampton College station location to accommodate passenger traffic
for the tournament. A pedestrian overpass was also constructed over CR39.
However, Chief Sharkey noted that while there was capacity for additional lanes on
CR39 in Southampton, Sound Avenue in Riverhead is a narrow road without shoulders
that would allow for expansion.
Director Dresch noted that the U.S. Open was a direct destination venue and that
Gabreski Airport had been used for parking. On that basis, he added that the situation
on the North Fork is different in terms of diverse destinations and the lessons of the golf
tournament would not necessarily apply.
Commissioner Fox suggested high speed water taxi routes from Riverhead to
Greenport and to Southampton as seasonal alternatives for passenger traffic. However,
Ms. Phillips observed that environmental concerns might be issues with respect to that
proposal.
Captain Kruszeski suggested that 2 by 4 way stops signs on Peconic Bay Boulevard
may contribute to slowing traffic.
Chief Engineer Hillman noted that the South Fork has been dealing with parking and
traffic issues for more than 40 years. He suggested that a solution to the North Fork's
traffic problems could lie with a four lane extension of CR48 to meet the Long Island
Expressway.
Ms. Scalia suggested that funding may be available for a traffic study.
Chief Engineer Hillman observed that people want to use their own vehicles rather
using shuttles and he again proposed a CR48 extension to the LIE.
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However, Supervisor Russell advised that a CR48 extension to the LIE would not be
workable.
Commissioner Fox noted that neighborhoods were changing and that many existing
houses are now being purchased as rental properties.
Mr. Stype suggested that planning considerations should include housing and condo
developments.
Supervisor Russell repeated that a traffic study with a narrow focus could be a workable
prospect.
Legislative Aide Stype noted that previous studies included bus routing and other
suggestions had not been implemented.
Councilman Ruland noted that notes and a recording of the proceedings were being
made and that attendees would be provided with the minutes.
He also mentioned that public health and safety are the most important issues and
those concerns must be mitigated in any solution.
Supervisor Russell asserted that short term solutions involving small measures are
required and that the business and farming communities should be invited to a future
meeting.
Chief Flatley noted the impact of the Harbes' venues on traffic on CR48.
Councilwoman Kent also noted the Harbes impact and suggested that the meeting was
a good start in addressing traffic issues.
Chief Hegermiller questioned whether the "WAZE" traffic "app" could be disabled.
Engineer Matthei advised that NYSDOT would make that inquiry.
Chief Engineer Hillman reported on the status of upgrades to CR48. Paving of a 10
mile, 4 lane stretch of CR48 will commence soon and should be completed before the
summer of 2018. A different contractor is working on improvements of the two lane
portion of the road, which will include curbing, sidewalk, drainage and paving. Paving
should be completed in late summer or early fall. There will be no road closures, as one
lane will always be open.
Trustee Phillips noted that the impact of visitation to the Lavender Farm in East Marion
is a major traffic issue.
Councilwoman Kent inquired as to the status of the helicopter issue. Supervisor Russell
advised that Southold's Helicopter Committee was working on the matter.
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On behalf of the Southold Town Board, Councilman Ruland thanked all for attending
and advised that they would be kept advised of developments.
The meeting was adjourned at 11:30 AM.
Respectfully submitted,
Thomas F. Fox, Southold Transportation Commission
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Scott,
As we approach another summer, season, I have a
recommendation that might help alleviate some of the
problems we have at the New Suffolk Beach and Boat
Ramp.
Hire an adult to operate the beach "permit inspection
house" and give them the additional responsibility of the
Boat Ramp. An adult is needed so that they might be able
to successfully confront the more aggressive people one
might find launching boats. This person might also ,
challenge beach-goers who walk to the beach area
regarding where they parked their vehicle, and they can
advise them of town parking restrictions within our hamlet.
I realize this might cost a little more and require some
additional training, but I believe if we hire the right person,
pay them appropriately, and train them properly, this will
pay back big dividends. It's been my observation that in the
past, the kids who have operated this facility have not been
very effective in-monitoring and enforcing the standards
down there, which has fueled much of the problem in
"downtown New Suffolk."
Thanks in advance for your attention in this matter.
Jim Baker
New Suffolk