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SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
REGULAR MEETING
July 5, 2017
7:30 PM
A Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board was held Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at the
Meeting Hall, Southold,NY.
Call to Order
7:30 PM Meeting called to order on July 5, 2017 at Meeting Hall, 53095 Route 25, Southold,
NY.
Attendee Name Organization Title Status Arrived
James Dinizio Jr i Town of Southold = Councilman Present m
William-P,.—R-uland ` Town of Southold Councilman Present
Jill Doherty.. w' Town of Southold ' Councilwoman Present
Robert Ghosio ' Town of Southold ; Councilman Present
Louisa P. Evans ' Town of Southold Justice Present
Scott A. Russell _Town of Southold Supervisor PresentW._.
Elizabeth A. Neville Town of Southold Town Clerk Present
William M Duffy Town of Southold Town Attorney Present
I. Reports
II. Public Notices
III. Communications
IV. Discussion
1. 9:00 AM - Councilman Ghosio with Sam McCullough and Melissa Spiro
2. 10:00 AM - Councilman Ruland and Denis Noncarrow
3. 10:15 AM -Vincent Orlando
4. 10:30 AM -Leslie Weisman, Zoning Board of Appeals Chairperson
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5. Campers at Beaches/Stickers
6. Catastrophic Loss Code (Chapter 280-122)
7. 10:45 AM - Jeff Standish & Craig Jobes
8. Motion To: Motion to Enter Executive
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby Enter into Executive Session
at 11:30 AM for the purpose of discussing the following matters:
Labor- Matters Involving Employment of Particular Person(S)
11:00 AM - Leslie Weisman, Zoning Board of Appeals
11:30 AM- Chief Flatley
Proposed Acquisition, Sale or Lease of Real Property Where Publicity of Would Substantially
Affect the Value Thereof
11:45 AM- Melissa Spiro, Land Preservation
Litigation—Update on Vineyard 48
RESULT: ADOPTED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Louisa P. Evans, Justice
SECONDER:William P. Ruland, Councilman
AYES: Dinizio Jr, Ruland, Doherty, Ghosio, Evans, Russell
9. EXECUTIVE SESSION-Labor-Matters Involving Employment of Particular Person(s)
10. EXECUTIVE SESSION -Proposed Acquisition, Sale or Lease of Real Property Where
Publicity of Would Substantially Affect the Value Thereof
11. Motion To: Motion to Exit Executive
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby Exit/Recess from this
Executive Session at 2:38PM.
RESULT: ADOPTED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Louisa P. Evans, Justice
SECONDER:Jill Doherty, Councilwoman
AYES: Dinizio Jr, Ruland, Doherty, Ghosio, Evans, Russell
12. Motion To: Recess 9:00 AM meeting
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby Recess this 9:00 AM
meeting of the Town Board at 2:38PM until the Regular 7:30PM Meeting of the Southold Town
Board.
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RESULT: ADOPTED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Louisa P. Evans, Justice
SECONDER:William P. Ruland, Councilman
AYES: Dinizio Jr, Ruland, Doherty, Ghosio, Evans, Russell
Pledge to the Flag
Motion To: Reconvenes 9:00 AM meeting
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby reconvenes the 9:00 AM
meeting of the Southold Town Board at this 7:30PM Regular Meeting of the Southold Town
Board.
RESULT: ADOPTED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Scott A. Russell, Supervisor
SECONDER:William P. Ruland, Councilman
AYES: Dinizio Jr, Ruland, Doherty, Ghosio, Evans, Russell
Opening Statements
Supervisor Scott A. Russell
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Please rise and join in the Pledge to the Flag. Thank you. At this
point I would invite anybody up that would like to comment on any of the specific agenda items?
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Except for the public hearing, right?
Benja Schwartz, Cutchogue
BENJA SCHWARTZ: With the exception of the public hearing, correct? Good evening, Benja
Schwartz, Cutchogue. How are you doing today? you know, I am always confused on whether
we should comment on the agendas that occurred this morning but there seems to be a
presentation this morning which I missed unfortunately that I am extremely interested in, the
Land Preservation Committee overview and I was wondering if anybody wanted to take a minute
and let people know what happened and what they learned?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Bill?
COUNCILMAN GHOSIO: Basically I had asked the Land Preservation Committee to put
together some kind of a presentation to the Town Board to describe not so much as what they do
but how they do it. And the procedures and the protocols they use in determining whether or not
they make recommendations to the Town Board for farmland preservation. So Melissa came
down, Sam McCullough wasn't able to make it, he is the Chairperson of the Committee, and
gave us about an hour long presentation on how they categorize, how the Committee categorizes
and sets criteria to come to the recommendations that they do for the Town Board. This was all
in preparation for the Town Board to think about what they do, how the Land Preservation
Committee has evolved since the creation of the Committee and the CPF fund and see if there
are any adjustments or changes that we would like to make. There will be another presentation
in a couple of weeks, maybe a little longer, to go over design criteria and how the Committee
looks at design criteria on applications.
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SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: One of the good things about it was it was a good opportunity to go
through the process and maybe look at ways we can improve it, things like that. It is always
good to look at processes from time to time.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Was there any written material supplied to the Board on that?
COUNCILMAN GHOSIO: Yes, there was.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: If you need copies, I will have them at the office for you tomorrow.
MR. SCHWARTZ: I assume it's available by FOIL but...
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I will have copies ready for you.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, you know what would be really helpful would be if the material could
be filed in the Land Preservation Committee folder and that way we could refer to it as needed,
without having to chase after it. I am glad you are looking into that and will probably speak
more about that since I think we have a Land Preservation resolution on the agenda tonight.
Now you use the term farmland preservation but it's really more than just farmland,right?
COUNCILMAN GHOSIO: Right. It's also open space.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Open space as in wilderness, natural areas.
COUNCILMAN GHOSIO: If those do come up, there's an open space component to it, yes.
MR. SCHWARTZ: So open space for people to fill with recreational activities?
COUNCILMAN GHOSIO: Depending upon the situation, yes.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Passive recreation. So it's not just farmland. Okay, that's not on the
agenda. Another presentation this morning, speaking of the town's wildlife preserves. The
proposal to raise some quail or release some quail, purchase and release some quail. Very much
in support of that and I don't think I need to hear all the details but I am curious, was there also
any information presented on the accompanying proposal to spray insecticides into the preserved
areas?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: The cedar oil had already been discussed two weeks prior. We are
hoping, if we can, is try to put pilot programs together with regard to tick eradication on
hopefully maybe every two weeks, every four weeks as we start developing plans. Obviously,
there is no silver bullet here so we are looking at all these different options.
MR. SCHWARTZ: I agree with you there, there's no one cure all but there's a lot of things we
can do to make the situation worse and I am afraid that the proposal to spray insecticide, even if
they are natural or partly natural, you know, if you take something that's natural and process it
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and take it out of place, it is no longer natural. If you take wood chips and spread them on a
beach, that introduces all kind of substances, they may be natural but they are not natural to find
on a beach, okay, so they don't belong there. So you take a peanut oil product or a synthetic
replica of one, and spray it into our wildlife preserves, I don't believe it's natural and I would
like to see some evidence that it is effective, that it really is safe. I haven't seen any of that. if
you have seen that, then it would be nice to share that.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: That's exactly what we are doing. That's inherent to the word pilot,
which is what it is. It's designed to be used on one preserve, as a baseline to see if it's
successful. We will provide the scientific data as we develop it but it has to come from
somewhere and it has to come with a first step and the first step for us is to treat, also let me
clarify, we are treating the trails only, we are not treating the entire preserves. We are limiting
ourselves to the trails.
MR. SCHWARTZ: But it does fly in the face of the advice that the Town Board authorized
Committee on tick control was very strong on that point. That they did not believe that that was
the way to proceed, even if people do spray on their own private properties that the Town should
not engage in that. They didn't consider that you might do a pilot program but let's face it, you
know, you are doing it or you are not doing it.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: They actually opposed wholesale spraying of entire preserves. They
also didn't really evaluate cedar oil at the time, thinking it was too expensive. That's not case
anymore. It is expensive but the price is coming down as demand rises.
MR. SCHWARTZ: I am a big fan of cedar oil. I use it extensively. I have been using it for
years. And used appropriately, I think it's an extremely valuable thing but for the price that we
are paying for this pilot program, we could have little jars of cedar oil that people could take and
try using it themselves, rather than spraying it all over the trail.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: But I think we both allowed the discussion to get away from the
agenda, so...
MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, that was on the agenda this morning but....
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: The cedar oil was on two weeks ago.
MR. SCHWARTZ: But let's move on then, and the, okay, so there will be a public hearing on
the proposal to spend close to $2,000,000 on some farmland development rights, is that tonight
or are you just setting the date tonight?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I think we are just setting the notice of public hearing tonight.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay, well I still would like to ask you, before you set the date for that to
provide some information because the custom has been to put these things up for public hearing
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without informing the public what the hearing is really about. As you know, you conduct all the
preliminary conferences in executive sessions and the public is excluded from that process.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I agree.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Before you get to the point where you are going to consider voting to spend
the money, it seems to me that the public has the right to at least the information that you have.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Benja, that's why we are setting the public hearing now and
that's why we set it 30 days out, we give the public 30 days to come and get the information...
MR. SCHWARTZ: But I am asking you to give us the information...
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: It's a fair point, Benja and I will look into it.
MR. SCHWARTZ: And one particular part of the information which I have looked into getting
in the past and I am sure I can get it, but I am also sure it would take me a long time, you don't
like me taking your time tonight, I don't like you taking my time in the summer in the beautiful
place we live....
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: It's a fair point.
MR. SCHWARTZ: But if we could have the copy of the proposed easement that's going to, that
we are paying for, if that could be available and accessible without having to go through a FOIL
and somehow people could get there and get it. Okay, thank you very much.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you, Benja. Would anyone else like to address the Town
Board on any of the agenda items? Please. We've moved on Benja, but we will still be here
after the meeting is over.
Debbie Zuhoski
DEBBIE ZUHOSKI: Good evening, how are you? I am Debbie Zuhoski and I have lived in
Mattituck for 63 years and I am here this evening because I would like to address the situation
with the beaches and the parking stickers. I ran into a situation this weekend, we go to the New
Suffolk beach frequently, we have for the past probably 15 or 20 years and I had gotten down
there probably about 11:30 this weekend and there was not one place to park. I do have my pass,
so I took it upon myself to park in the area where it says 15 minute parking. I called the
Southold Town highway and got the traffic control down there because I don't think it's fair that
I should get a ticket for parking in a 15 minute parking zone. So I would like to review with you
tonight some of the situation down there, this is what I arrived from, with the signs. You can tell
me if I am correct or incorrect. The beach attendants are only available on Saturday and Sunday
between the hours of 10:30 and 5:00, is that correct?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I believe so, yes.
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MS. ZUHOSKI: There's no one there Monday through Friday, so from, if they can come from
8:00 in the morning to 10:30 and park there without a non-resident parking, they will just get a
ticket, correct? They fill the parking lot and we have a pass and we cannot park in that parking
lot. The lifeguards are on duty 11:00 to 5:00 according to the signs, and at that time they open
the public bathrooms. I think the bathrooms should be open much earlier. We are at the beach
much earlier, we are paying for the pass and quite honestly, I think the lifeguards should be there
too because I think Southold Town is responsible if god forbid, something happens. Let's see,
the dog sign. There are two entrances to New Suffolk. There's a walkway and then there's an
area at the end of the parking lot that says dead end only. There's no sign about dogs. Actually
yesterday, when we were at the beach, we had a pop-up tent set up and somebody came with
their dog and say under my pop-up tent. And they came where there's no sign and it was
probably around 12:00. Let's see, the day passes. So as far as the day passes go, is it possible
for them to get a day pass and park outside the parking lot. Make a restricted where there's 15
minute parking and it's by New Suffolk post office, I don't know why there'd be 15 minute
parking by New Suffolk post office but that's where everyone's parking. There was not a
parking place to be had, whether it was parking at Legend's, Case's down to the beach there, not
a parking place to be had, so I am wondering if we could do something about this.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Actually, we did talk about it today. New Suffolk has a unique
situation. It has two of the nicest town assets right next to each other, which is a ramp and the
most popular beach. And it is a problem every year, but we did talk about it today, we talked to
the Chief about the need for enforcement. What I would ask, if you have specific
recommendations, submit them to my office and we will go over them at work session in two
weeks and see if there are any viable solutions.
MS. ZUHOSKI: Absolutely. We'll get it together. I mean, it's getting worse and worse each
year. It's a beautiful place and I am going to tell you, there was probably 300 people on that
beach this weekend.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I know.
MS. ZUHOSKI: It was crazy.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Exceeding the Suffolk County Department of Health capacity
probably.
MS. ZUHOSKI: And I need to know, if I am going to get a ticket if I am parking in 15 minute
parking? That's really not reasonable. One other thing, that has nothing to do with beaches if I
could bring that up really quick, is I have had a problem with a sidewalk in Mattituck. From
Pike Street where the American Legion is to Mary's Road. This goes back to Peter Harris days, I
had contacted him, they were going to take care of it, take care of it. I also contacted Vinny
Orlando last year, he told me it would be put in the budget this year to be replaced. I have a
video I would like to email to Southold Town. Part of it is completely sand, it's a disgrace.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Where is the sidewalk?
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MS. ZUHOSKI: Right at the memorial, at Pike and Wickham. Where we had the Memorial
Day parade, from the corner all the way up to Mary's Road. First he told me Suffolk County
was going to take care of it after the water, it is atrocious. I do have a video.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I'll go out and look. I don't mind.
MS. ZUHOSKI: It's horrific. If you walk from the bottom to the top to Mary's Road, you have
school students traveling that sidewalk most of the time.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I agree.
MS. ZUHOSKI: Okay. I appreciate it and thank you for listening. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you. Joe?
Joe Polashock, New Suffolk
JOE POLASHOCK: Joe Polashock, I live in New Suffolk. I would like to thank Ms. Zuhoski
for doing most of the work for me. I live right across the street from the town beach in New
Suffolk, I am a member of the Civic Association and I can verify every word she said about the
weekend. Horrific, no place to park, a lot of places you could barely get out of your driveway.
Both sides of the street, I mean the off-side of First Street on Bacon's side there, I can't fathom
why that is not a restricted parking area or at least parking by permit, I mean, why do you have
an open street, open parking next to a controlled parking lot or quasi-controlled parking lot?
Yesterday being, or Monday actually was the day, the 3' , I kind of figured that was going to be a
dead day, that was a surprise. I physically walked down and counted, from First Street to Second
Street, there were over 125 people, that's not counting the people that were in the water. So
again, getting into that Suffolk County Health Department thing, that's ludicrous. I mean, how
do we, who do we complain to, how do we complain to somebody about that, that we can get
something done? And the dogs, I, you know, there are not supposed to be dogs on the beach
when the lifeguards are there, period. Who controls this? We pass laws that we don't enforce.
The pick-up law, forget about it, it's a disgrace. You go down there when there's nobody there
after a tide or a wind, you can go down there with a bag or a shovel and spend an hour cleaning
up after these people. And the majority of them don't live here. Go look at the stickers in some
of these windows or the license plates, they are from out of town or out of state, they are from
everywhere but here. We pay for this and we can't enjoy it.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Is that for day passes? The out of town?
MR. POLASHOCK: No, no pass, no nothing. Out of towners.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: No stickers?
MR. POLASHOCK: No stickers, no nothing.
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SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Well, that's something we can do something about and we did talk
about that.
MR. POLASHOCK: And again, why do we have to call and complain? We have the TCO's, we
have the Police, why can't they come down and cruise and not have to explain what the problem
is. They have got to be able to see this. Now, the people that park there, they don't belong there.
and how do we get them out? Do we tow them, can we do something? Anything, please?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We talked about that today. This Board agrees 100 percent. We did
talk to the Chief about enforcement. Councilman Dinizio put the idea on table that we could rely
on our code enforcement officer, who is authorized to write tickets. Things got a little bit
stressed last weekend because of a couple of events. But we do have more people, more
resources that we need to refocus and commit to that. That was a problem not just there but
Kenney's, McCabe's, Goldsmith's. It was a problem throughout the entire town.
MR. POLASHOCK: You know, we spent the money, we put up the dispenser for the poo bags
and stuff for people to pick up after their animal. I will say that's one thing, people that come
out from the city are a little more responsive to that. A lot of the people that bring their animals
down to the beach, they don't care. They just don't want them to do it in their backyard and
cleanup after them, so they just walk by and kick sand over it, so somebody else can enjoy it.
The whole thing, it's reprehensible. It really has to be dealt with seriously.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Okay, I agree.
Ed McDonald, Mattituck
ED MCDONALD: My name is Ed McDonald and I live in Mattituck. My main complaint is
just the bathrooms at the beach. We pay taxes based on a year-round fiscal year. My wife walks
the beach, we go to the beach in the morning, you know, why can't we give the key to the local
sector car? Why can't he open the bathroom? Vandalism is going to take place after 4:00. Why
can't we open the bathrooms at 8:00 when the guy comes on duty? You know, we go to the
beach in the morning, we read the newspaper, we have a cup of coffee, we have to go to the
bathroom. Do we have to go to Legends or the post office to use the bathroom or drive back
home to Mattituck? You know, we pay for the permit, we pay for our property taxes and it's to
the point where it's almost inexcusable. You have a sector car that works the area, I know they
are going to say it's not his responsibility but open the door, put the lock on. The kids are off,
they are not going to vandalize, they people are there, the neighbors are there, at night is when
you are going to have kids do stupid things. So lock the door when the lifeguards get off. But at
least open it early, so we have access. I go down there, I see Jack McGreevy down there, we
have coffee down there in the morning but he says the same thing, where are we going to go to
the bathroom? Why can't we just...
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: You can. It's the first time I've ever had a request to open the
bathrooms earlier...
MR. MCDONALD: Really?
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SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Literally tonight. It's a fix that we can....
MR. MCDONALD: It's a big thing year-round. She walks from Mattituck to the beach and
there's nothing worse than walking to Legends or Summer Girl or someplace else.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We can figure out how to get that done.
MR. MCDONALD: Yeah,there's got to be an easier way. Alright,thanks.
UNIDENTIFIED: Just here to echo what he said. Walking down there I see Jill a lot there also,
so that would be very helpful, even in the off season. You know, if we pay for the pass for the
year, why not have them open, you know, even for a short time in the morning. Have someone
unlock it and then lock it, you know.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I think we, I think Councilwoman Doherty had proposed extending
last year and it was extended, so if we need to tweak that some more, that's fine. We'll figure
something out.
UNIDENTIFIED: Okay, and there was a picture, there was a car parked there with a
Connecticut license plate and it had the sticker in the window, taped on the dashboard and it had
a completely different license plate number and I know traffic control was there yesterday and
just probably did not pick that up.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: If it was in the window, the ticket should have been written anyway
because it specifies in the code where the sticker needs to be placed.
UNIDENTIFIED: There's work to be done and we appreciate you listening to us.
Cindy Pumillo, Cutchogue
CINDY PUMILLO: Hello, my name is Cindy Pumillo, I live in Cutchogue. First I want to
thank the town because I recently had a family member that became disabled. They are losing
their ability to walk, the only way they can get down to the beach now is with a beach
wheelchair. I don't know if you've seen a beach wheelchair and the size of a beach wheelchair,
the tires alone, the width of the chair is probably the width of two chairs here. So I called the
town and they were gracious enough, they did put another handicap parking space there.
However, I went down there to use the beach, to get in the parking spot to help unload the beach
wheelchair. On the other side there was a person with a handicap sticker but no parking sticker,
no beach sticker. Parked there all day long. So for me to try to unload this beach wheelchair, I
have nowhere to go, then I have nowhere to park. And on the one side, where you pull in by the
dead end, there's 15 minute parking by resident only. I don't understand why that would be 15
minute in the beach parking lot, it's not like you are walking to the post office. Who is going to
do something there for 15 minutes? You could realistically make one of those side things a
handicap one also or just a couple of extra spots. I know the access to Mr. Bacon's gates are
there and we cannot block it, nor should we. So I want to thank you for getting me the handicap
spot and anyone else that needs it. However, we are running out of room because there is no
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parking. Another thing, day passes. I don't think New Suffolk beach should allow day passes.
We don't have the capacity down there for these people to come in, park there and then we can't
park. Another thing, Saturday I went to Summer Girl and there was a car there with a family, all
beach toys in the back, I went into Summer Girl and I was talking to the owner. She came out,
they were blocking her entrance to go upstairs, so she couldn't get out. When she finally did get
out, they were sitting on her bench, in front of her store, parked in front of her store, unloading
all the sand toys, pouring all that out. You know, it's just not fair to them and to Legends. You
know, you go to have lunch there, you pull in and there's people parking there walking to the
beach and stuff. What was the other one, day passes, 15 minute parking, really, that sign should
be changed.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Okay.
MS. PUMILLO: Try to make spots out of it. And attendants, I don't know why we don't have
attendants Monday through Sunday. Is it not in the budget or....
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Well, to be honest, historically we didn't need them beyond the
weekend but now we are learning that we do. So, again, if you give me the punch list and we
will go over them one at a time at the next work session and I, come in before about asking that
the beach bathrooms be open earlier, I don't remember, Jill might remember it. I remember the
discussion being open until later in the season, which I know we did and if there is an issue that
you want them open earlier, put them on a punch list, we will go over them one at a time in two
weeks. Bt I have to tell you, New Suffolk is a very difficult, I am not saying we can't try, it's a
very difficult problem to solve. Because a lot of the no parking, parking by permits, they have
all come out of past experience. And every time that we do propose one, we have one group that
opposes it and one group that supports it. Very difficult to manage traffic and parking in a
hamlet that just has none. It's become very difficult.
MS. PUMILLO: Okay, I totally agree Scott. Totally. But also, there has got to be signs put up
where that dead end sign is. No dogs, the whole thing. What's on the other side should be on
both sides because they just walk down with their dogs and think nothing of it. And then if you
go to say something, it could get ugly. And whose responsibility is it, if they have a dog on the
beach, to tell the people to come off? Whose responsibility is it? Is it the lifeguards?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I would hate to put them in that position. I would think they know
the rules and at least politely ask, and if they don't get cooperation, to contact the police
department and the TCO.
MS. PUMILLO: Maybe we can get some signs and put it on the attendant booth? Like how
much for a day pass, I think increase the day pass to $50.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We are at $40 now.
MS. PUMILLO: $25.
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SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Well,that can go up.
MS. PUMILLO: I think increase it and I am the one, that took the picture, it was today, when I
went down to the beach. I am starting to get crazy, maybe you might want to hire me during the
summer, I would love to do it but right now I have someone at home that needs me a little bit
more, you know, going around, checking the cars for stickers. And it was a Connecticut license
plate, it said ABC123, the sticker said, DEF456. So, you know, I am sure it was a family
member visiting, however....
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Is that in the windshield or on the car?
MS. PUMILLO: No, this is in the windshield. This is the license plate, it's not a day pass. It's
somebody else's sticker.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: It's a resident sticker.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Well, they are not supposed to have it there, so that's a ticket in and
of itself.
MS. PUMILLO: Well, alright, I totally hear you on that. But it was someone else's sticker. And
then something else on stickers, maybe can we update, start getting with the times, instead of
having to place it on the bumper. Let's get some new stickers so we can put in our windshield,
because I want to be honest with you, I just bought a brand new car, I don't want to stick that
sticker on my car. And there have been times people's stickers have been stolen. And I know
they say to put them on the back of the window but then there's an obstruction thing there so if
not, maybe on the side window...
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Just so you know though, we need to focus on more enforcement to
get out there but you also need to set yourself up so you can enforce as quickly as possible, if a
TCO is going to be walking the parking lot, it's going to take him a lot longer than driving
through looking for the stickers.
MS. PUMILLO: Well, I think it's taking a long time now because they have got to sit around
and people put them on different sides of the bumper. If it's in the windshield, it's in the
windshield.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: If it's in the windshield, they need to get out of the car and look at it.
But if it's where it's supposed to be on the bumper, that's the first indication.
UNIDENTIFIED: Inaudible.
MS. PUMILLO: No, the TC guys have been great. They've been going, checking, nothing
against the TC or...
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 13
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: If it was in the window, it should have generated a ticket regardless
of what it said.
MS. PUMILLO: Right, but I don't think anybody was there today and there was no attendant, so
you guys lost money on a ticket there. And I don't know if I can bring this up now but I hear
you are going to want to change from when you issue the stickers from May 1 St to October 31St
That's what I am hearing, is that correct?
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: That's the public hearing that's on tonight.
MS. PUMILLO: Oh, so I am not supposed to talk about it now?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: You can talk about it. We are going to go to the hearing shortly, so
you can talk about it then.
MS. PUMILLO: Okay, well, it might be past my bedtime. I have somebody I have to take care
of.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: You can talk now if you are in support of.
MS. PUMILLO: I will talk real quick. I am not in support of it unless, what are we going to get
from that for those extra 30 days in May? Are the bathrooms going to be open, why should the
tax payers that are here year-round have to make sure they have a ticket now my May 1 St?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: This is the thing....
MS. PUMILLO: Wait a minute, Scott. And then to go to October 31 St, everybody after Labor
Day, the kids are back in school, everybody hopefully is doing their thing now. September is the
time for us to go down and enjoy where it's not crowded. You know, we paid for our May 31"
to Labor Day weekend. Just leave it as it is.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: The thing is that the very reason we are doing that is because people
that live near beaches say we can't access the beaches because the season has expanded so much
that your historic, you know, either your booking Memorial Day to Labor Day whatever it is,
isn't enough because we have people using the beaches, you know, they don't have stickers, they
need stickers. We need to start bringing some management to that. so the reason for that was,
you know, we have shoulder seasons here and residents are entitled to the beaches in those
shoulder seasons, rather than being eclipsed by everybody that wants to go to them because they
don't need stickers anymore. So that's a tough, you know, we are trying to manage it, believe it
or not, to the benefit of the residents. It's, that was a request from other residents that said, look,
the weekends, it doesn't end at Labor Day anymore. We can't use out beach, the second, third,
fourth week of September because these people don't need stickers anymore. So, you know, we
are trying to balance this all out.
MS. PUMILLO: Well, come September they are going to go to the vineyards, thank god, they
are going more to the vineyards, pumpkins, getting cauliflower...
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 14
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: It wasn't meant to regulate locals, it was meant to manage a
resource better for the locals.
MS. PUMILLO: Alright, well, I just had to say that. But again, thank you for the handicap spot.
Hopefully we can work on getting New Suffolk beach taken care of. Thank you.
Supervisor Russell
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Would anybody else like to address any of the agenda items?
V. Resolutions
2017-580
CATEGORY'.• Audit
DEPARTMENT. Town Clerk
Approve Audit
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby approves the audit dated
July 5 2017.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-580
ECJ Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
❑ Withdrawn James Dmmzio Jr Voter 10 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P Ruland Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Voter Rl ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Seconder Rl ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Mover 1Z ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A Russell Voter z ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-581
CATEGORY. Set Meeting
DEPARTMENT. Town Clerk
Set Next Town Board Meeting
RESOLVED that the next Regular Town Board Meeting of the Southold Town Board be held,
Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road Southold, New York at
4.30 P. A.
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 15
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-581
0 Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
❑ Withdrawn James Dmizio Jr Voter D ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P Ruland Voter D ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Voter El ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Seconder Rl ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P.Evans Mover 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A.Russell Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-582
CATEGORY: Budget Modification
DEPARTMENT: Fishers Island Ferry District
2017 Budget Modification-FIFD
Financial Impact: to cover over expenditures
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ratifies and approves the
resolution of the Fishers Island Ferry District Board of Commissioners dated May 30, 2017,
which amended the 2017 Fishers Island Ferry District budget in the amount of$42,032.00.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-582
Rl Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled James Di _._ _.. ..
_
❑ Withdrawn mzio Jr Mover 0 11 ❑ ❑
William P Roland Seconder 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
El Supervisor's Appt
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Voter El ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Voter z ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Voter to ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A Russell Voter C ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-583
CATEGOR Y.• Employment-FIFD
DEPARIIIIEIVT: Accounting
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 16
Appoint Christopher Newell FT Captain/PT Deckhand
.RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ratifies and approves the
resolution of the Fishers Island Ferry District adopted June 26, 2017 that appoints Christopher
Newell to the position of Full Time Captain at a rate of$23.00 per hour and in addition appoints
Christopher Newell as a Part Time Deckhand (FIFD) at a rate of$18.18 per hour when
performing the duties of Part Time Deckhand (FIFD).
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-583
0 Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
El Tabled _
❑ Withdrawn James Dmtzio Jr Voter 121 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P Ruland Seconder 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Mover 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A Russell Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-584
CATEGORY. Employment-FIFD
DEPARTMENT: Accounting
Appoint Ryan Miner Seasonal Deckhand
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ratifies and approves the
resolution of the Fishers Island Ferry District adopted June 26, 2017 that appoints Ryan Miner to
the position of seasonal full-time Deckhand effective July 6, 2017 and on September 18, 2017 to
change status to part time Deckhand.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-584
0 Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated
❑ Tabled Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Withdrawn
James Dmizio Jr Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P Ruland Mover 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Seconder 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A Russell Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 17
2017-585
CATEGORY: Employment-FIFD
DEPARTMENT: Accounting
Appoint John Sargent Seasonal Clerk
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ratifies and approves the
resolution of the Fishers Island Ferry District adopted June 26, 2017 that appoints John Sargent
to the position of seasonal full-time Clerk effective July 6, 2017 and on September 18, 2017 to
change status to part time Clerk.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-585
CSI Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
❑ Withdrawn James Dmizio Jr Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P Roland Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Seconder 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Mover 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A Russell Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-586
CATEGORY. Employment-FIFD
DEPARTMENT.- Accounting
Accept Resignation of Jason Orga
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ratifies and approves the
resolution of the Fishers Island Ferry District adopted June 26, 2017 that accepts the resignation
effective June 23, 2017 of Jason Orga, Cashier(FIFD) for the Fishers Island Ferry District.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-586
0 Adopted Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Adopted a"s Amended
❑ Defeated
James Dmizio Jr Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tabled William P Roland Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Withdrawn Jill Doherty Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt Robert Ghosio Mover 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Louisa P Evans Seconder 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
10 Rescinded Scott A Russell Voter 121 0 0 0
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 18
❑ Town Clerk's Appt
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-587
CATEGORY: Employment-FIFD
DEPARTMENT: Accounting
Accept Resignation of Hannah Peabody
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ratifies and approves the
resolution of the Fishers Island Ferry District adopted June 26, 2017 that accepts the resignation
effective June 30, 2017 of Hannah Peabody, Cashier(FIFD) for the Fishers Island Ferry-District.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-587
0 Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
❑ Withdrawn James Dmizio Jr Mover 0 11El❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P.Ruland Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Seconder 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A Russell Voter 10 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-588
CATEGORY: Contracts,Lease&Agreements
DEPARTMENT. Town Attorney
Agreement W/SC Office for Aging-Residential Repair HRC
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs
Supervisor Scott A. Russell to execute the Agreement between the Town of Southold and the
Suffolk County Office for the Aging for community services for the Elderly Residential Repair
Program for the period April 1, 2017 through March 31, 2018, at no cost to the Town, subject to
the approval of the Town Attorney.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-588
0 Adopted Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 19
❑ Adopted as Amended James Dmizio Jr Voter p ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Defeated William P.Ruland Seconder R3 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tabled Jill Doherty Mover 2 i ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Withdrawn Robert Ghosio Voter 2 ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt Louisa P.Evans Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Scott A Russell Voter Q ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded
❑ Town Clerk's Appt
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-589
CATEGORY.• Affordable Housing
DEPARTMENT. Town Attorney
2017 Affordable Housing Prices
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby sets the maximum initial
sales price and maximum allowable monthly rent for 2017 for affordable housing units as
follows:
Home Purchase Price May Not Exceed
Households earning 80% or less of the HUD $221,625*
median income for Nassau/Suffolk
Households earning 100% or less of the HUD $277,000**
median income for Nassau/Suffolk
Households earning 120% or less of the HUD $332,379***
median income for Nassau/Suffolk
* 2.5 times the 80%median income family of four-Nassau/Suffolk County ($88,650)
**2.5 times the 100%median income family of four-Nassau/Suffolk County ($110,800)
***2.5 times the 120%median income family of four-Nassau/Suffolk County ($132,950)
Monthly Rental Amounts May Not Exceed (utilities may or may not be included)
Efficiency $ 970***
One Bedroom $ 1039***
Two Bedroom $ 1247***
Three Bedroom $ 1440***
Four Bedroom $ 1607***
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 20
*** represents Nassau/Suffolk Low Home Rent Limit
RESOLVED that pursuant to Chapter 240-10-B(2)(c)[2][a] of the Town Code, the Town Board
of the Town of Southold hereby sets $221,625 as the amount of payment required per
housing unit for Moderate Income Family Dwellinlz Units not built within the Town of
Southold's inclusionary zoning requirements. Said amount reflects two times the
Nassau/Suffolk median income for a family of four in accordance with the Long Island
Workforce Housing Act.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-589
0 Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
[I Withdrawn James Dmizio Jr Voter 0 ❑ El ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P Ruland Mover 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Seconder, 2 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Voter 2 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Voter 2 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A Russell Voter 1 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-590
CATEGORY: Bid Acceptance
DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk
Accept Bid for Pump Out Boat
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts the bid of Strong's
Water Club and Marina in the amount of$4,000.00 for the used Pump Out Boat, all in
accordance with the Town Attorney.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-590
0 Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
❑ Withdrawn lames Dmizio Jr Voter 2 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P Ruland Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Voter 2 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Seconder 2 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Mover 2 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A Russell Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
0 Lost
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 21
2017-591
CATEGORY. Refund
DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk
Refund Disposal Permit-Kaye
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes a refund of$15.00
to Lana Kaye, 755 Long Creek Drive, Southold,N Y 11971 for a disposal permit that was
purchased in error.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-591
0 Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated
❑ Tabled
Yes/Aye _ No/Nay� Abstain Absent
❑ Withdrawn James Dmizio Jr i Voter 0 11 ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P.Ruland Voter El ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Voter D ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Mover 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Seconder, RI ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A Russell Voter ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-592
CATEGORY. Landfill Misc.
DEPARTMENT: Solid Waste Management District
Top Soil Pricing
WHEREAS the Cutchogue Compost Facility has accumulated a supply of top soil as a by-
product of certain blending and screening operations over time, the Town Board of the Town of
Southold hereby sets a price for the sale of such top soil at $8 per cubic yard, effective
immediately.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-592
0 Adopted Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated James Dmizio.Ir Mover 121 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tabled William P Ruland Seconder 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Withdrawn ]ill Doherty Voter 121 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt Robert Ghosio Voter El ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Louisa P Evans Voter D ❑ ❑ ❑
11 Rescinded Scott A Russell Voter ❑ ❑ ❑
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 22
❑ Town Clerk's Appt
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-593
CATEGORY: Attend Seminar
DEPARTMENT. Police Dept
Police Department-Training Request
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants permission to Police
Officer William Brewer to attend the 2017 42nd Annual Juvenile Officers Training
Conference in Geneva New York from August 27" through September 1,2017.All expenses
for registration, travel to be a legal charge to the 2017 budget line A.3157.4.600.200
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-593
Q Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated
❑ Tabled Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Withdrawn James Dmizio Jr Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P Ruland Seconder 21 ❑ ❑ ❑
El Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Mover lZ ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Voter IZI ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Voter ; 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A.Russell Voter D ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-594
CATEGORY. Property Usage
DEPARTMENT Recreation
Use of Tennis Courts by Southold School
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants permission
to Southold High School to use the 6 tennis courts at Tasker & Jean Cochran parks
for junior high practice and matches for a total of 6 days beginning September 26,
2017 and ending on October 3, 2017. Courts will be reserved from 3:00 - 6:30 p.m. and
the dates will be coordinated with the Southold Town Recreation Department. The
applicant must file with the Town Clerk's Office a Two Million Dollar Certificate of
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 23
Insurance naming the Town of Southold as additional insured, subject to the approval of
the Town Attorney.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-594
0 Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated T Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
❑ Withdrawn James Dmizio Jr Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P Roland Mover 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
El Rescinded Robert Ghosio Voter 0 11 11
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Seconder 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A Russell Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-595
CATEGORY.• Employment-Town
DEPARTMENT: Accounting
Authorizes Renee Harvey to Work in Town Clerk's Office
Resolved that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes Cashier Renee Harvey
presently assigned to the Office of the Receiver of Taxes, to work part time in the Office of the
Town Clerk effective July 14, 2017 through November 15, 2017. Hours of work will be
scheduled as needed at the discretion of the Town Clerk, not to exceed 171/2 hours per week.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-595
0 Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
El Withdrawn James Dtnizto Jr Voter 0 El ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P Ruland Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Seconder 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Mover 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A Russell Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-596
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 24
CATEGORY. Property Usage
DEPARTMENT. Recreation
Southold High School Use of Cochran Park& Community Center Fields
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants permission to
Southold High School to use Cochran Park and the Community Center fields for junior
high school soccer teams from September 25, 2017 through November 4, 2017 . Fields will
be reserved from 3:00 - 6:30 p.m. Monday through Friday. Applicant must file with the Town
Clerk a Two Million Dollar Certificate of Insurance naming the Town of Southold as additional
insured.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-596
Rl Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated j Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
❑ Withdrawn James Dimzio Jr Voter El ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P.Ruland Voter p ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Voter p ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Mover 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Seconder, 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A Russell Voter Rl ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-597
CATEGORY. Refund
DEPARTMENT• Town Clerk
Refund Beach Sticker-Mangicnnele
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes a refund of$10.00
to Thomas Mangiamele 3180 Duck Pond Road Cutchogue,NY 11935 for a Resident Beach
Permit that was purchased in error.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-597
21 Adopted Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Adopted as Amended lames Dmizio Jr Mover 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Defeated
El Tabled William P Ruland Voter D ❑ 11
❑ Withdrawn till Doherty Seconder, 2 ❑ ❑ El
❑ Supervisor's Appt Robert Ghosio Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Louisa P.Evans Voter Q ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Scott A Russell Voter 2 ❑ ❑ ❑
0 Town Clerk's Appt
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 25
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-598
CATEGORY. Committee Appointment
DEPARTMENT. Government Liaison
HAC Appointment
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints Patricia Lutsky as a
member of the Housing Advisory Committee effective immediately.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-598
Q Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated
❑ Tabled Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Withdrawn James Dmizio Jr Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P Ruland i Seconder 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Mover 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
Robert Ghosto Voter D ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Voter 121 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A.Russell Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-599
CATEGORY. Property Usage
DEPARTMENT: Supervisor
Orient Yacht Club Waive Parking Permit Regulations
RESOLVED the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby waives the parking permit
requirement for Orient Yacht Club and grants permission to utilize the boat launching ramp at
Gull Pond, Greenport,New York to launch safety boats for the Orient Yacht Club Regatta on
Saturday July 15, 2017.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-599
Q Adopted Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Adopted as Amended James Dinizio Jr Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Defeated William P Ruland Mover 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tabled .till Doherty Voter RI ❑ El
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❑ Withdrawn Robert Ghosio Voter Rl ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt Louisa P.Evans Seconder CSI ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Scott A Russell Voter z ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded
❑ Town Clerk's Appt
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-600
CATEGORY.• Employment-FIFD
DEPARTMENT. Accounting
Appoint Ahkaisha Reyes Seasonal Cashier
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ratifies and approves the
resolution of the Fishers Island Ferry District adopted June 26, 2017 that appoints Ahkaisha
Reyes to the position of seasonal full-time Cashier effective July 6, 2017 and on September 18,
2017 to change status to part time Cashier.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-600
Q Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled __
11 Withdrawn James Dinizio Jr Voter D ❑ ❑ 11
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P Ruland Voter 13 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Seconder 21 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Mover 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys App[ Scott A Russell Voter Q ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-601
CATEGORY: Employment-Town
DEPART 1ENT: Accounting
Establish Annual Wage for Seasonal Police Officers
WHEREAS the New York State Retirement System Tier 6 legislation requires employers to
determine an Annual Wage for individuals who work Part-Time, Seasonal or on an Hourly,
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 27
Daily or Unit of Work Basis, and
WHEREAS the Town Board has determined that it should formally establish an Annual Wage
for Seasonal Police and Fire Retirement System Tier 6 members, now therefore be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby establishes a 2017 Annual
Wage of$13,587.20 for Seasonal Police Officers.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-601
Q Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
❑ Withdrawn James Dmizio Jr Voter —_-__ 0 -i.. ._O_
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P Ruland Voter Q ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Voter Q ❑ El ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Mover Q ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Seconder Q ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A Russell Voter Q ❑ 1 ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-602
CATEGORY. Employment-Town
DEPARTMENT• Accounting
Police Department-Appoint Seasonal Police Officer
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints James Crosser to
the position of Seasonal Police Officer for the Town of Southold Police Department,
effective July 6, 2017 through September 17, 2017 at a rate of$21.23 per hour.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-602
Q Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
❑ Withdrawn
Tames Dmizio Jr Mover Q ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P Ruland Voter Q ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Seconder Q ❑ ❑ El
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Voter Q ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Voter Q ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A Russell Voter Q ❑ El El
❑ No Action
0 Lost
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 28
2017-603
CATEGORY. Attend Seminar
DEPARTMENT, Engineering
Michael Collins to Attend Roth MultiTank Certification Course
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants permission to Michael
Collins to attend the Roth MultiTank Certification Course in Southampton,NY, on July 12,
2017. All expenses for registration,travel to be a legal charge to the 2017 budget (meetings and
seminars).
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-603
0 Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated —— - - -- y - --
Yes/Aye No/Na Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
❑ Withdrawn James Dmizio Jr Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑ µ
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P Ruland Seconder 2 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Mover Lel ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Voter 2 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A.Russell Voter l ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-604
CATEGORY.• Property Acquisition Public Hearing
DEPARTMENT: Land Preservation
Mill Lane One, LLC Dev Rights Easement P.H. July 18
RESOLVED that pursuant to the provisions of Chapter 17 (Community Preservation Fund) and
Chapter 70 (Agricultural Lands) of the Town Code, the Town Board of the Town of Southold
hereby sets Tuesday, July 18, 2017, at 4:31 p.m., Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road,
Southold, New York as the time and place for a public hearinlz for the purchase of a
development rij4hts easement on property owned by Mill Lane One, LLC Said property is
identified as SCTM#1000-107.-10-9.
The address is 6300 Wickham Avenue in Mattituck. The property is located in the Agricultural-
Conservation (A-C) Zoning District and is situated at the northeast side corner of County Road
48 and Mill Lane, extending to the southeast corner of Mill Lane and Wickham Avenue in
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July 5, 2017 page 29
Mattituck, New York. The proposed acquisition is for a development rights easement on
approximately 25± to 26f acres of the 28± acre parcel with easement acreage determination
being subject to survey.
The exact area of the acquisition is subject to a Town-provided survey acceptable to the Land
Preservation Committee and the property owner. The easement will be acquired using
Community Preservation Funds. The purchase price is $65,000 (sixty-five thousand dollars) per
buildable acre, being an estimated $1,690,000 (one million six hundred ninety thousand dollars)
for a 26± acre easement, plus acquisition costs. Purchase price will be adjusted at time of closing
based on final survey acreage determination.
The property is listed on the Town's Community Preservation Project Plan as property that
should be preserved due to its agricultural value and its value as an aquifer recharge area.
FURTHER NOTICE is hereby given that a more detailed description of the above mentioned
parcel of land is on file in Land Preservation Department, Southold Town Hall Annex, 54375
Route 25, Southold, New York, and may be examined by any interested person during business
hours.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-604
El Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled _
❑ Withdrawn James Dinizio Jr Voter 19 l7 b ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P Ruland Mover Lel ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Voter Q ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Voter 2 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Seconder, 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A Russell Voter El ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-605
CATEGORY.• Budget Modification
DEPARTMENT Highway Department
2017 Budget Modification -Highway
Financial Impact: to cover over expenditures
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the 2017 Highway
Fund Part Town budget as follows:
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 30
From:
DB.5130.4.400.300 Rental Equipment $5,000.00
Total: $5,000.00
To:
DB.5110.4.100.960 Drain Pipes/Rings/Covers $4,050.00
DB.5140.4.600.750 Permits 950.00
Total: $5,000.00
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-605
Q Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled _
❑ Withdrawn James Dimzio Jr Voter 13 ❑ ❑ ❑
El Supervisor's Appt William P Ruland Voter D ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Voter Q ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Seconder 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Mover Z ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A Russell Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-606
CATEGORY. Authorize to Bid
DEPARTMENT. Highway Department
Road Treatment Bid 2017-18
Resolved that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs the Town
Clerk's office to advertise for various road treatment bids including Type 6 Hot Mix Asphalt&
Oil /stone for the calendar year 2017-18.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-606
Q Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled James Dm¢io Jr Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Withdrawn William P Ruland Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Voter El ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Robert Ghosio Mover El ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Louisa P Evans Seconder' Z ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Scott A Russell Voter Rl ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 31
2017-607
CATEGORY• Attend Seminar
DEPARTAIENT: Town Clerk
Approve Zoning Board of Appeals 2017 Training
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and approves the
Southold Town Zoning Board of Appeals' training proposal entitled"ZBA 2017 Training" as
sufficient to satisfy the training requirements for Zoning Board of Appeals' officials pursuant to
Town Law Section 271(7)(a-d).
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-607
Rl Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated .... yes/Aye ^No/Nayµ Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
0 Withdrawn James Dinizio Jr Mover D ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P.Ruland Voter _ Rl ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Voter Q ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Voter Rl E] ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Seconder IZI ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A Russell Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-608
CATEGORY: Budget
DEPART LENT: Accounting
Create Capital Project for Road Resui facing
Financial Impact: Create capital budget for road resurfacing
WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold adopted a 2017 Capital Budget which
includes an appropriation for road resurfacing, and
WHEREAS the Town's Capital Budget process requires a resolution to formally establish
Capital Budget items in the Capital Fund, now therefore be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
establishment of the following Capital Project in the 2017 Capital Fund:
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July 5, 2017 page 32
Capital Project Name: FY2017 Road Resurfacing
Financing Method: Transfer from the Highway Part Town Fund
Budget: Revenues:
H.5031.91 Interfund Transfers
Road Resurfacing $350,000
Total $350,000
Appropriations:
H.5112.2.400.100 Road Resurfacing
Capital Outlay, C.S.
FY2017 Road Resurfacing $350,000
Total $350,000
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-608
0 Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled __
❑ Withdrawn James Dmizio Jr Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P Ruland Seconder 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Mover 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Voter 0 ❑ ❑ i ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A Russell Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
Comments regarding resolution 608
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Are we talking about the budget mod?
COUNCILMAN RULAND: Yes.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I just want to comment real quickly, before we vote. Senator Ken
LaValle actually secured an additional $180,000 in state funds to help us resurface this year.
Last year he had secured an additional $250,000 in funds to help us with our resurfacing
challenges. $430,000 over the course of two years to put that in perspective, that exceeds our
entire allocation for asphalting just four or five years ago.
2017-609
CATF,GOR Y.• Support/Non-Support Resolution
DEPARTAIENT: Town Attorney
LIRR Letter of Support
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 33
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs
Supervisor Scott A. Russell to execute a letter of support to the Long Island Railroad for the
proposed new train schedule for the Greenport line on weekends, subject to the approval of the
Town Attorney.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-609
0 Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated —
❑ Tabled
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Withdrawn James Dmizio Jr Voter 0 ❑ El ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P Ruland Mover 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Seconder, 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A Russell Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2017-610
CATEGORY. Enact Local Law
DEPARTMENT. Town Clerk
Enact-LL Chapter 189
WHEREAS,there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk
County,New York, on the 6th day of June, 2017, a Local Law entitled "A Local Law to
consider amending Southold Town Code Chapter 189 (Parking) to amend the dates that
Town Parking Permits are required in designated areas" and
WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on the aforesaid
Local Law at which time all interested persons were given an opportunity to be heard, now
therefore be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ENACTS the proposed Local
Law entitled, entitled "A Local Law to consider amending Southold Town Code Chapter 189
(Parking) to amend the dates that Town Parking Permits are required in designated areas"
reads as follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. 2017
A Local Law entitled, entitled "A Local Law to consider amending Southold Town Code
Chapter 189 (Parking) to amend the dates that Town Parking Permits are required in
designated areas".
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July 5, 2017 page 34
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
I. Amendment.
The Southold Town Code is hereby amended by adding the underlined words and remove the
struck items as follows:
§ 189-2 Designation of parking areas requiring permits.
E. A Town parking permit shall be required only between Memorial Day May 1 and Labor
Day November 1 of each year in the areas designated by Subsection above.
II. SEVERABILITY
If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section, or part of this Local Law shall be adjudged by any
court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid,the judgment shall not affect the validity of this law
as a whole or any part thereof other than the part so decided to be unconstitutional or invalid.
III. EFFECTIVE DATE
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State as provided
by law.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2017-610
El Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated - - — - ----
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
❑ Withdrawn James Dmizio Jr Voter � El ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt William P Ruland Mover ' 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Seconder 2 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Robert Ghosio Voter D ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A Russell Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
Motion To: Motion to recess to Public Hearing
RESOLVED that this meeting of the Southold Town Board be and hereby is declared
Recessed at 8:15 AM in order to hold a public hearing.
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 35
RESULT: ADOPTED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Louisa P. Evans, Justice
SECONDER:Jill Doherty, Councilwoman
AYES: Dinizio Jr, Ruland, Doherty, Ghosio, Evans, Russell
VI. Public Hearings
PH 7/5 - 7:31 PM -LL Chapter 189
Councilman Ghosio
COUNCILMAN GHOSIO: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN,there has been presented to the
Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County,New York, on the 6th day of June, 2017,
a Local Law entitled "A Local Law to consider amending Southold Town Code Chapter 189
(Parking) to amend the dates that Town Parking Permits are required in designated areas"
and
NOTICE IS HEREBY FURTHER GIVEN that the Town Board of the Town of Southold will
hold a public hearing on the aforesaid Local Law at the Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road,
Southold,New York, on the 5th day of July,2017 at 7:31 p.m. at which time all interested
persons will be given an opportunity to be heard.
The proposed Local Law entitled, entitled "A Local Law to consider amending Southold
Town Code Chapter 189 (Parking) to amend the dates that Town Parking Permits are
required in designated areas" reads as follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. 2017
A Local Law entitled, entitled "A Local Law to consider amending Southold Town Code
Chapter 189 (Parking) to amend the dates that Town Parking Permits are required in
designated areas".
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
I. Amendment.
The Southold Town Code is hereby amended by adding the underlined words and remove the
struck items as follows:
189-2 Designation of parking areas requiring; permits.
C. A Town parking permit shall be required only between Meme,-ial Day May and Labor-
Day
-aberDay November 1 of each year in the areas designated by Subsection above.
II. SEVERABILITY
If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section, or part of this Local Law shall be adjudged by any
court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the judgment shall not affect the validity of this law
as a whole or any part thereof other than the part so decided to be unconstitutional or invalid.
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 36
III. EFFECTIVE DATE
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State as provided
by law.
I do have an affidavit that this has been noticed on the town clerk's bulletin board and also an
affidavit that this was published and noticed in the Suffolk Times. That's all I have.
Supervisor Russell
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Would anybody like to address the Town Board on this local law?
Robert?
Robert Dunn,Peconic
ROBERT DUNN: Robert Dunn, Peconic. I really wasn't going to talk on this, I was going to let
it float but I heard a lot of comments previously and I guess those people didn't understand that
there would be more time for it, they all left. I think it's a good idea, I mean, there's, it gets
crazy and people think Labor Day ends, it doesn't. Labor Day starts another season, the wine
people and all those people are down at the beach. And you know, it's a little thing, we can go
out to the vineyards and then we go to the beach,the limos and all those things. As far as anyone
who finds it inconvenient to have to get a sticker that previously didn't get a sticker, I was remiss
this year and didn't get around to buying my sticker until today. I mean, if$10 is going to break
you, I think it's ridiculous that they are so cheap to begin with. I mean, this rule is good. It's the
right thing to do.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: It's the same price for the sticker, we are just, we are adding the
requirement.
MR. DUNN: It's the same sticker.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: It's the same sticker. Just earlier in the year and later in the year.
MR. DUNN: Well, I almost got the feeling that one person speaking was saying, you know, it's
putting an additional onus on her now that she needs a sticker after Labor Day, almost as if she
never had a sticker before.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: There might have been some misunderstanding...
MR. DUNN: I thought so but the bottom line on this is it's only going to protect the residents.
Now, if you never get a sticker, it's probably going to upset your apple cart a little bit but in the
big picture, it's the right thing to do. I am going to talk again later about the beach.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you, Robert. We had actually, this had actually been a
request that came from residents, that very reason. They said, look, bring some more
management to this because it doesn't start at Memorial Day anymore and it certain doesn't end
at Labor Day. Our intent was actually help residents and that might have been misconstrued.
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 37
MR. DUNN: Most of us understand that.
John Betsch, Southold
JOHN BETSCH: John Betsch, Southold. The Memorial Day date was a problem, the police
explained to me just one part, it was a problem to them, they could not enforce it until Monday
because the sticker didn't go into effect until the Monday of Memorial Day. So they had issues
all Saturday and Sunday, so this is one little side piece. Just a few comments about tonights
suggested change. It's kind of obvious that Southold has been discovered by both wanted and
unwanted visitors. We are starting to boom here and no longer can the existing enforcement
policies and practices be done as they were done presently. We now need, in my opinion, 24
hour enforcement. The growing issues of enforcement are beyond the capability of the
enforcement methods. Whether it's a staffing issue or whether it's the people who are authorized
to give tickets don't have the interest in doing so. The people who can give tickets are the
TCO's, the patrolmen, code enforcement and the bay constables. They all can give tickets. I
don't necessarily, people who are at the beach see that happening by all those people. Help is
needed and we need new thinking. The Town of Huntington had similar issues with their parks
and the Town of Huntington now has armed park rangers in place. Their task and I will read a
quote, `maintaining the peace and good order of the community, including parks, beaches and
other recreational activities of the town' they were put in place last year, they are considered
peace officers, they are armed. They patrol all their beaches and apparently it is working. It
might be a concept worthwhile investigating here. The date change for tonight's hearing is really
a mini baby step towards a solution. There are many required changes necessary, as far as I am
concerned. New thinking is needed and we really need to start thinking about it now, not waiting
until next summer to start doing it. This issue was investigated during the winter and it has taken
until now to start moving along, we really have to address it. I don't think we can let this issue
start to ruin the quality of life of the present residents. Past NYPD Commissioner Bratton had a
policy of broken windows enforcement and I think that might be a policy that may be worthwhile
here...
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: You mean go out and break people's windows if they don't have
stickers?
MR. BETSCH: Doing things that are a deterrent of more serious crimes.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I get it. I get it.
MR. BETSCH: And finally, we need at least to have parody with surrounding towns regarding
permit policies, permit costs, fines. People come from neighboring towns here because we are
more accommodating. The residents really deserve as much, they really do. As far as the dates
of Memorial Day, people who choose to leave, I don't know whether they understand it, there is
more than one beach other than New Suffolk. The Greenport beach is taken over in the fall
because there's no permits required. The scalloping season, out-of-towners just come in and take
over. That might be, as far as I am concerned, a very parochial point of view and they should
have stayed to listen to the public hearing to hear everything else. We can, everybody can
present all the garbage and all the stuff that's going on with the beach permits, this is the first
Southold Town Board Regular Meeting
July 5, 2017 page 38
step of a lot of things that have to happen and I hope the Town takes it seriously to address many
changes to do with this whole policy.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: What I am going to ask the Board to do is considering having a
special meeting of the Town Board next week, a work session and a formal meeting, to discuss
solely issues with regard to beach management and enforcement. The, we have issues with
stickers enforcement, we have issues with night fishing, we have so many different issues out
there; if we were to wait for two weeks and I know I had asked her for the punch list but if in
retrospect, if we were to wait two weeks we are already two thirds of the way through July.
Anything that we need to implement could theoretically take another two weeks to four weeks if
it needs a public hearing, so I think we need to focus our efforts in one meeting, discussing all of
those different issues with regard to the beaches. I have to tell you, it leads the pack in terms of
calls I get, particularly night fishing as well.
MR. BETSCH: I think it would be to have a lot of the principals there. Have a couple of TCO's
there to give their point of view, have some patrolmen, have the beach constables there. People
who come to the beach, we live close to beach, we can see what happens and it's not pretty.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I think it deserves its own meeting.
MR. BETSCH: Thank you.
Joe Polashock
JOE POLASHOCK: I think you are absolutely right. Joe Polashock again. I would like to
reinforce everything he said. The only thing about this whatever date thing, beyond Labor Day,
Memorial Day, scallop season is and sea duck hunting is in my face, I am the squeaky wheel, I
probably make more phone calls from New Suffolk to the police department about parking and
other nonsense stuff. But, we can't go anywhere, we can't go to Riverhead, we can't go to the
south shore without having to pay exorbitant, non-resident fees. These guys come in, they use
the ramps and park their boat trailers all over, wherever they see fit. Wherever the truck rolls to
a stop, they park. And I understand the trailer parking in New Suffolk is supposed to be a 12
month deal, why are non-residents allowed to come in there? Why are the guys from Aquebogue
and Riverhead allowed to come in and short cut their trip down the bay? I am sorry for them, if
they like to go scallop, they have to do it another way. Let them make the trip from home. And
the same with the sea duck hunters, they come out there, they have got trailers that take up three
spaces and they are halfway across Jackson Street. We've gotten them a couple of times before
you guys moved the one officer out of New Suffolk. He used to get him for obstructing traffic.
It's ludicrous. The whole thing. We can, and again, the fact that you can't go anywhere in the
county, the townships without getting whacked with non-resident fees, it's brutal what we allow
here. And the commercial guys that use the ramps, that put the boats in the water.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Jill had proposed a permit for commercial operators and we actually
discussed restrictions such as resident only on the boat ramps. That is stuff that all certainly
needs to be talked about, which is why it needs its own meeting.
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MR. POLASHOCK: Thank you. Thank you. We need it desperately, I don't know what
suggestions you guys are getting but we can come up with a list, for sure.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: You know, the thing is we are starting to question why we should
even allow anybody but residents to use the boat ramps. They are expensive to begin with, also,
there are ramps now, people from the public have other options. We have the DEC ramp in
Greenport where the Seafood Barge used to be, if the ramp is in yet, I don't know. We have a
ramp up on Naugles Drive where the tank farm used to be, so there is public, outside of
Southold, with access to both the bay and the sound. On the commercial side, Jill had proposed
assigning a fee to the commercial (inaudible) obviously you want to restrict it to local...
MR. POLASHOCK: Yeah,that's how I think it should be.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I think that should all be part of a meeting we should have.
MR. POLASHOCK: Yeah, I mean, you have got guys coming down from Seaford, all over.
The other day I took a picture, the guy put a 37 footer in. It's way over what it's supposed to be,
I don't know, it's 32 feet the limit on the ramp. This thing was 37 feet. And he's there, he's
gone. Unless there's a cop sitting there, there's nobody no way could have ever seen anyone.
He backs down the ramp, pulls the plug, the boat's gone, he's gone and you are sitting there
looking at the sky. But in the meantime,they are tearing everything up while doing it.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Yes, you are right.
MR. POLASHOCK: Thank you for your time.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We'll set up the meeting and we'll go over these issues. There's
quite a few issues all geared towards managing of the beaches. The enforcement issues, it really
has to be taken up on its own.
Paul Cassiopo
PAUL CASSIOPO: Paul Cassiopo,New Suffolk. I have been hearing what's been going on and
living in New Suffolk, I've been seeing what's going on but I think there's something that's
starting to happen now that's really worse than all this and that is the increase in traffic that's
been happening, not only this particular four or five days but weekends in particular. Seeing it
building and building. Now what I am noticing, there are accidents happening in New Suffolk,
which I really never saw, in the heart of the village, we had one yesterday where a girl shot
across Second Street with a car coming from the direction of Legends with two young kids, she
crashed right into him. Luckily no one got hurt. Cars were really beat up, there was a third car
involved that was hit that was parked and these types of things never happened before. When the
cops questioned her, she said I didn't see the stop sign. How could she not see the sign on
Second Street? It's big as day, there's really nothing blocking it. Whether she wasn't paying
attention, other young people were in the car with her. It's something that seems to be
happening now that never happened before and particularly the weekends, the spaces on the side
streets get smaller and smaller because cars need to park somewhere. It's difficult to work their
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way through the village itself in that area. I don't know what the answer is, except to try and
control what's going on down there. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Would anyone else like to address the Town Board on this particular
local law?
Benja Schwartz
BENJA SCHWARTZ: Benja Schwartz, briefly, getting back to the topic of this particular
hearing,just a quick question. So if you do adopt this proposed revision of time frame, what is it
going to mean? Basically you are saying we are going to have six months of required permits
and six months not, so it will be 50/50. But what about on the days, May 1" and on November
1St, will permits be required on those days? I am confused by the language here.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Are you really talking on May 1 and November 1, are the permits
required on those days?
MR. SCHWARTZ: Yes, isn't that what the hearing is about?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Yes, it is but I think that's getting into the weeds a little bit.
MR. SCHWARTZ: It's a fine point but it's the point of the, this hearing, is the time and will
they...
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: It's something I will defer to counsel.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, the language does not make it clear and I think we will have problems
applying it unless it says beginning on the, and ending on the, it just says between these two
days. So it doesn't say if it includes those two days or not. It's a simple, grammatical problem.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We appreciate it, thank you. Would anybody else like to address the
Town Board on this particular local law?
Councilwoman Jill Doherty
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: I just want to say, with this discussion here, when we
published this I wanted to include a couple of other things but I definitely agree with you that we
need to have a separate meeting to include all of the issues on this and like John Betsch said, this
is a small change and I think we could have done a little more with this but you know, baby
steps. We need to really start taking this seriously because we are getting an influx out here and
every beach is just over-crowded and we have health department regulations that we really have
to start thinking about and taking seriously, the garbage and everything, so I am glad we are
definitely for having a conversation next week and keeping it rolling.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Any other comments? Do we want to table this or take a vote?
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Councilman William P. Ruland
COUNCILMAN RULAND: I don't see any reason to delay, this because as Jill said, some of
this is a compromise from an earlier discussion, I think more change is in the works, not only
from the people who spoke just about beach parking but sticker parking is going to become an
issue in our near future throughout the town, in the upland parking areas. They are all going to
have to be regulated, people are not going to like change but the residents deserve the first
chance at parking and I know we have discussed this at the transportation commission, we have
an inventory of all our town parking facilities and changes are coming and when they come, I
think we are going to need public input as well but I think people have to understand, to a
gentleman's words, we have been discovered. There's no question we have been discovered and
how we deal with what we have is very important going forward. We know that it could get
worse. It's bad enough now but it could get worse and I certainly would vote on this because it's
a step in the right direction. I think that, given the cost of the sticker, it seems to me that you
could purchase your sticker in January and it's good for the whole year and that's where it's
going to end up, I know that's where it is going to end up but I certainly support this and I will
vote on this tonight.
This public hearing was closed at 8:33 PM.
RESULT: CLOSED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: William P. Ruland, Councilman
SECONDER:Jill Doherty, Councilwoman
AYES: Dinizio Jr,Ruland, Doherty, Ghosio, Russell
ABSENT: Louisa P. Evans
Closing Comments
Supervisor Russell
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Okay, what we will do is I will do the email thing with them, set a
meeting next week where they might be available for a meeting and also, John, are you going to
be around? Can you get some people from parks and rec there as well? We will include you in
the email and set something up. Would anyone like to address the Town Board on any issue?
Anne Murray,East Marion
ANNE MURRAY: Yes, I would. I am Anne Murray from East Marion. I came to talk again
about the Lavender farm, first I want to say thank you very much for the extra enforcement we
had out there last weekend and the 0' of July. It was a big relief to see that emergency vehicles
could get through and there was no parking on the Main Road. I think up to where the Fork and
Anchor is or a little past that, which was much better than last year. However, I did want to
mention a few things. I did get some emails and some calls from East Marion residents
complaining they had trouble getting out of Gillette Drive, Pebble Beach Farms. I believe also
the, Jill, the one south of the Lavender farm? What is that development called? It just went out
of my brain.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Gardiners Bay?
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MS. MURRAY: Gardiners Bay, thank you. Too many phone calls. Anyway, we have had a bit
of an issue, some people waited 20 minutes to get from Manhasset Avenue to the Lavender farm
going east. It didn't seem too bad going west, so just a, you know, in thinking about it and this is
just my own recommendation, it's not from EMCA. But I think we really need to start thinking
about having people that have these kinds of farms force them to do off-sight parking. I got a
call today from the Wall Street Journal and they are doing a story about the Lavender farm. The
last thing we need is more people coming to the Lavender farm, so just be aware of that. We all
know the town is becoming more and more popular. The people coming out, you know, they are
going to bring a single car, they are not going to carpool. Where are we going to put these cars?
There's just no room for them. There's no room for them on the beaches, there's no room for
them on residential streets, there's just no room for them. So it's just a suggestion, I know,
Scott, we talked about the owner looking into off-site parking, I don't know if it happened, it
didn't happen. I think it should happen in the future.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I would agree. But the 100 new parking spaces, the Chief said it did
make a difference in accommodating most of the traffic going there but it was the in and the out
that...
MS. MURRAY: Right.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: And I think we really need to mandate somehow someway, I don't
know what our legal options are but insisting on off-site parking next year. it might not work a
lot the first year because it does take time to change people's minds...
MS. MURRAY: I agree.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: But every year we are going to say it's not going to work right
away, maybe some way we can maybe impose it next year and at least get the ball rolling.
MS. MURRAY: If there was the space to put a right hand and left turn there, it would be okay
but there isn't any room. And it's not for the town to do that, it's the state, correct?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Actually the guy from News 12 asked me yesterday about widening
the road and has the DOT been contacted, I said the Transportation Commission might have
talked to them but I don't know...
MS. MURRAY: Right.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: But I did tell him, look, we'll put every idea on the table but said
road widening has its own problems, eminent domain, loss of character but he mentioned during
the new cast, that widening the road, that somehow, someway that we wanted the DOT to widen
the road and we never contacted them. No, no, no, I never said widen the road. I don't know
that it will solve much by simply expanding shoulders.
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MS. MURRAY: Right. I also wanted to mention that I was talking to one of the Orient fire
commissioners who said they had three ambulance calls this weekend and they were slowed
down, they were able to get through but they were slowed down. They had some concern about
that,just so you know. You'll probably hear about that later on. But in general, I wanted to say
thank you, we did have a great sense of relief this weekend, that it wasn't the hell that we went
through last year and hopefully that it won't be again, not just for the Lavender farm but other
venues as well. And there will be other venues to come, people are buying up farmland like
crazy these days and who knows what they are going to do with it.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Right.
MS. MURRAY: You know, agri-tainment is the future and we could have a lot more of this
popping up but I don't know where we are going to put these people. But we have to start
thinking about it. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you. I will tell you that the police chief is keeping track of
all the costs for the enhanced policing at the site and we do intend on submitting a bill to the
landowner and certainly we are hoping for good faith he will pay it but right now the code does
not require anything but let's see what kind of cooperation we get, if we don't, then I think we
need to revisit the code and require reimbursement to the taxpayers for any enhanced policing by
any private function, regardless of the function.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: Can I comment?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Yes.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: I just want to comment on this one. That Lavender farm, I was on
the ZBA when we granted that and at the time, we were granting farm stands and what we
looked at was, you know, that 20x20 foot building that was a farm stand. And there was, to her
credit, one ZBA member that said we should require a traffic study and we all kind of said, well,
why for a farm stand? Well, we never thought that a farm stand would be 10 acres of land that
you would be spreading out. You know, you think of a farm is you are picking potatoes. The
potatoes come in and you might sell your potatoes at the farm stand, so no one ever thought that
10 acres of people would be required for him to do his business, so I think in the agri-
entertainment business, we are a little bit wiser now. Certainly I know our Planning Board is and
our Zoning Board. They have learned their lessons from this. you know, I think honestly the
traffic wasn't nearly anywhere near as bad as it was last year and I always, when I observed it, I
thought that everybody coming out of that farm should be making a right hand turn. If they have
to go down to the causeway to turn around, then so be it. That was what was holding everybody
up on the east side all the way down to Moore's Lane or in my understanding, down to Albertson
Lane. So, you know, we have learned. Scott and the Chief did a wonderful job of getting that
plan, we got 100 extra spaces. That seems to be working, so little by little.
COUNCILMAN GHOSIO: I will say that overall, I have never seen traffic like this in the past
weekend in the whole town. I drove through from Aquebogue to Greenport and then up to the
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Lavender Farm to see what was going on and as bad as the traffic was there, going from
Greenport into East Marion, the approach from Southold was very bad and from Jamesport to
Mattituck all the way until I got on the four lane highway, there was no relief. You had that
stretch of the four lane highway and that was it, and that was pretty crowded but you could
move. But once you go back down to the two lanes, it was incredible. It was very busy this
weekend, I had never seen it that bad.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: It's crazy, absolutely crazy.
Robert Dunn
MR. DUNN: As a follow up to that, which I wasn't going to comment on, but doesn't that begin
to become, activities that get that broad,become a public nuisance?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Public health, safety and welfare are concerns, without a doubt.
MR. DUNN: Well, the definition I have here of a public nuisance and that condition or thing
that is illegal because it interferes with the rights of the public generally. So, I mean, if you are
doing something, you become a public nuisance.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: The problem is, you have to read right next to that, New York State
ag code that finds it as bona fide agricultural practices. The old intent of Ag and Markets is to
balance that. Recognizing the need to protect the public and at the same time for an agricultural
operation to pursue its profits, so it's a tough call trying to balance a couple of goals and issues
here.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: To his credit, he gave a hundred spaces.
MR. DUNN: I am sorry?
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: To his credit, he gave us 100 spaces. He is learning as well as we
are.
MR. DUNN: Okay.'
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: With over an acre out of production.
MR. DUNN: I am just making a point that I had thought, one of my neighbors had complained
about being caught out there. But what I wanted to talk about, last week, last meeting, I had
raised a number of issues regarding the beach and I said I was going and I didn't get around to all
of them because I had (inaudible) on a few. I don't know if I am the only one that notices this
but we have three ice cream trucks that visit our neighborhood, do we regulate them at all?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Peddlers permit through Southold Town Clerk's office.
MR. DUNN: Okay, so then we can put rules for that permit, correct?
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SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Correct.
TOWN CLERK NEVILLE: They are handed the code...
MR. DUNN: Okay, now I understand it, like when I get my beach pass, I get a little, okay. Are
they given a time limit on those (inaudible) at all?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I can't speak to it, I don't know the code on that.
MR. DUNN: Okay, here's the problem. We have got three trucks, they all come at least three
times a day on the weekend like we have got now, then we go in the parking lot and park. Five,
six, eight, ten minutes. They leave the bells running, that's three trucks, 30 minutes, four times a
day. Two hours a day, I have got to listen to ice cream bells. I live there. They are in your
parking lot or the town's parking lot. I am sure the same thing happens by you and the ball fields
and anywhere else they go. There's no reason for them to continue with those bells when they
have a line outside their truck. Now, I know they do in the city and I am sure they do in other
municipalities, they can be forced, by all means, ring your bell when you come but then turn
them off because there are people that live there that don't want to listen to bells for two hours a
day in their living room and that's their right. So I am throwing this out for you to think about, I
don't expect you to come back...
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: What I find astonishing, is they always seem to find where my son
is at any given moment and they find him, bells and all.
MR. DUNN: Well, you get my point, right? The dog issue on the beach, we may have to revisit
it. The problem is not the dogs, it's the pigs they bring with them. And now I live at the beach
that they are allowed to come to, when you told them that they couldn't go to the other beaches,
they found out they could come by me. And now I am fine with dogs on the beach, once again,
it's the pigs they bring with them. They aren't cleaning up and if you live in one of those places.
I mean, you can only go so far. You have given them a dog run, you've given them a law that I
think is very loose and that's fine, I love watching the dogs run on the beach. it's cool, they
don't have to be on the leash, it doesn't bother me. I mean, when the people are there, they have
to be (inaudible). When I see someone down there, with a dog running around, I like it but they
are not cleaning up. This week at 6:00 on Saturday morning, someone came down to the beach
with a dog and her four kids, 6:00. Tied the dog to a beach chair and proceeded to play in the
water. What do you think the dog did? It did it for 20 minutes. And then she heard from a crazy
old man, who is crazy enough I guess, he drove them from the beach. But maybe a flag up to
them people that if behavior continues, like that, and if they are not going to clean up after their
dogs, then there will be no dogs on the beach at all. I don't think it's really nice to the dogs but
people have to be responsible to it and I don't want to see having to revisit that either but there
has got to be a solution to this. That's it. Thank you.
Allison Skrezec
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ALLISON SKREZEC: Good evening, Allison Skrezec, Orient. I would like to know if it's true
that our police department may soon be accredited? As of September 2017, is the process going
to be started? That's what I saw in the police advisory....
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: Well, we are going to start the process.
MS. SKREZEC: Okay.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: There were some manpower issues that we needed to accomplish in
the budget and it takes about a year and half to complete. That whole process. We found that so
far, it has to be a police officer that does it.
MS. SKREZEC: Yes.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: We are working through it, at the committee. It is something I
certainly want to have happen.
MS. SKREZEC: I know you do, Jim.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: That should happen...
MS. SKREZEC: And so do I.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: But it's not, we are looking in September or October but that's
because the Chief just doesn't have the time right now. as you can see, we are running around
with, you know,
MS. SKREZEC: Right.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: And he thought he could at least try to address it during the budget
process and then in November let's get going on this thing and see how far we can go.
MS. SKREZEC: Okay.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: Again, things come up. He is down a few police officers now, some
guys are retiring, so he has got to do hiring. You know, it's never ending but it's a priority that I
have and he does too. And the committee does.
MS. SKREZEC: Okay, your website, the police website. I really can't get any information
there. There seems to be nothing on there, compared to the Suffolk County Police website.
That's very helpful to a community member. There's a lot of resources on there, there's a list of
all, not all, of the policies and procedures that go on with the police but several that I would like
to know, in the community. On our website, I see a nice picture of Chief Flatley, I see a link to
forms and it's to the DMV, the sex offender registry, three or four about watercrafts and the laws
pertaining to boats. When I look at the, I am just going to refer to the Suffolk County police
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website, I have looked at several others, but I will just refer to this one, they do have a list of
links that you can go on for policies in their department. I don't see anything like that on ours. I
wouldn't know where to go. I don't know who our police commissioner is, I know who our
Chief is. Are each and every one of you are a police commissioner or is it just you, Mr. Russell?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: It's a Board of six. All six of us.
MS. SKREZEC: So it's everybody, okay. Well, where do we find these policies?
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: Allison, because I noticed the same deficiency, that's the reason I
came to the same conclusion that we need this accreditation because that's exactly what it looks
at.
MS. SKREZEC: Right.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: Not only that but all of those procedures, like we just went through
one down in Greenport about how the police officer addresses immigration and he updated that
particular one but it needed to be updated and it wasn't updated when we needed it. Basically
that is what is going to happen to all of our procedures. They are all going to be looked at, they
are all going to be updated to whatever today's standards are. But beyond that, okay, there's,
you know, how do we talk to the public which is the website, those kinds of things, that comes
under that.
MS. SKREZEC: Mmmhmm.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: How do we handle our prisoners in our jail cells? Is our space
adequate in our police department now? All of these things are going to be part of our state
accreditation. All of them. And so there's some pretty big budget items we might be looking at.
MS. SKREZEC: Right.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: But if you want to send me the link to the police department, I can
see what we can get on there but, there is nobody that addresses that in the police department
right now. There just isn't.
MS. SKREZEC: Right. Is there a policies and procedures committee?
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: Well, other than the committee, no.
MS. SKREZEC: When I was at the police advisory committee, Chief Flatley said there was.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: Other than, well, he may have one in his own command that I am
not aware of, I...
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MS. SKREZEC: I am just wondering how often they review their policies. Perhaps they should
start making them, you know,parallel to the accreditation standards.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: Well, that is it. No, that is the reason for the accreditation, to go
over....
MS. SKREZEC: Believe me, I know. I did the accreditation for the hospital for 14 years.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: so that's what it is, it is that. They are saying it's a man for a year
and a half and it could be a half a man after that, that's all he does. You know, look at all the
procedures, make sure they are all up to date, you know, go to seminars....
MS. SKREZEC: And educate the rest of the force...
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: Educate each police officer, make sure they sign off that they know
this procedure, they have been through all this training, it's all of that and it's all part of the
accreditation. Right now, we have none of that, in my opinion.
MS. SKREZEC: Right. No, we don't, not that I can see. I mean, the website, for the last 10
months I have been trying to figure a few things out with the police department, I can't find out
anything other than word of mouth in the community from some of the police officers, some of
you. As far as you know, complaints go. Are there any statistics in our department on the
complaints that come in. The most common ones. Which ones are substantiated, which ones are
unsubstantiated. Is there anything like that in our department?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: There might very well be a tally kept by the police department, with
all due candor, we haven't asked for one.
MS. SKREZEC: There's a very good policy with Suffolk County police department, the civilian
complaint procedure. There is a form as well. An individual can file a complaint, you get a
ticket number. You can track your complaint, within two weeks you are notified of who is going
to be doing the investigation. You are interviewed. Everyone involved is interviewed. And the
person that issued the complaint gets a report of the results of the investigation. When a
complaint is issued with our department, who gets it? Just Chief Flatley?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: The Town Board.
MS. SKREZEC: The Town Board. So you are well aware of all the complaints that have come
in?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: No.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: No. Not by any stretch of the imagination do I understand what
goes on there and that procedure you are talking about.
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MS. SKREZEC: So Mr. Russell, you don't get that?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Complaints do come to me, usually from the public and then we
what we will do is call the chief into executive session. Those are the ones I am aware of.
MS. SKREZEC: Are you aware of any of the ones that may have come from the New York
State police?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: No, no. Complaints from the New York State police?
MS. SKREZEC: That an individual might have filed.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: No.
MS. SKREZEC: I think the lack of communication here is really something to worry about with
our community. I hope everyone is a little bit scared.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Yes, sure.
MS. SKREZEC: I know I am.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: That's fair.
COUNCILMAN GHOSIO: Can I ask what's piqued your interest in this?
MS. SKREZEC: Well, the accreditation process. I volunteered to be on the Police Advisory
Committee, I do think it's very important. There's a few issues that I have noticed in the
community that I have been a little bit concerned about. I believe we have some wonderful
police officers but they can't police themselves. And all of you are the police commissioners,
you are not aware of anything that relates to the complaints. I mean, do you have any statistics?
I have, from Suffolk County, they have an annual report listing 20 categories of complaints.
They investigate them, they find out which ones that are substantiated, unsubstantiated and the
ones that are exonerated. They have a report of all of this and 22 %were substantiated.
COUNCILMAN GHOSIO: Now are these complaints against the police department, criminal
complaints?
MS. SKREZEC: Yes and it is, I can give you this. some of the things are improper supervision,
improper police action, illegal search and seizure, false arrest, failure to perform duty, excessive
force, domestic offense, damaged property, conduct unbecoming, missing property, criminal,
sexual, bias policing. I know we have the Anti-Bias Task Force, there's a lot of complaints
related to that here but do we have any statistics on our site?
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SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Not to my knowledge. I will say, I might have misspoke earlier
when you were talking about complaints, I thought you were talking about complaints coming in
with regard to general policing.
MS. SKREZEC: Mmmhmm.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: With regard to the officers themselves.
MS. SKREZEC: Yes.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: When they come to me, we bring it to work session, we have the
Chief come in and we go over it. in some instances, we refer to labor counsel. But if they are
not coming to me, no, I don't know about them. I have to be candid. Unless they come to my
office.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: And again, Allison, you know, I have been involved in government
30 years here and I have found that and Scott can probably attest to that, if you take the
hardnose, insistent upon getting things done in town government, you take the long road. I
found that if you follow a path that has been worn down already, which I found accreditation,
which I knew nothing about until Benja brought it up at one meeting one time. I investigated it, I
know you were very involved with it and I think that that's the area that we want to get to. we
want to know what the procedures are, everybody in that department should know and we as
commissioners should get a monthly report and everybody on this board will tell you, I am real
good at that. I just want a summary of what is going on, how many complaints did we get, how
many tickets did we issue? I don't care who issued the tickets, I just want to know what our
activity is and so, we get an overtime report but it has to be much more thorough, again, I think
that they have a book, I know it exists, the Chief has told me, that has rules and procedures,
okay, I have never seen it nor do I think I am qualified to even read it and understand what's in it
because I don't work in police work but I think that having a person that's responsible to make
sure that these standards are up-to-date to today's standards and kept that way and given it's due
respect from each officer. In other words, they are trained and they acknowledge that they are
aware of these things you know, gives us more ammunition when something does go wrong. But
we are not there. We are not there and I don't expect that we will be there for a year but I find
that if I follow the path that I know everyone is following, I think we will get there.
MS. SKREZEC: Do we know how the Chief handles complaints? Does he get in touch with the
person that issued the complaint?
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: I don't know. I don't know.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Maybe what our failing is, is not letting the public know enough that
the complaints should come to us directly as commissioners, rather than directly to the police
department. As their bosses, we would be in a position to direct him or any of the department
members, to handle it in a manner that we think is fitting but if I don't get them, then I don't
know or we don't know how to direct him.
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COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: And it's hard to ask the question of him, because we are at a
disadvantage in that there's some things that we probably, even as commissioners I certainly
wouldn't understand, I may misinterpret, I've always tried to go on the cautious side of I am the
dumb one, I am the stupid one. I need to understand it because you are playing with people's
lives here, people's livelihoods and people's lives. One mistake, one quote in the paper could
just throw a monkey wrench into a trial or cause a mistrial, all these things that you know, it's
scary, quite honestly to me. so I want to follow this thing, I had always had in the back of my
mind that you know if at some point in time that we need some people to come and testify, well,
we will.
MS. SKREZEC: I think it's important to put something into place right now, as far as
complaints go. I mean, there should be some kind of procedure on this.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: Well, let me find out, let me talk to the Chief and see what the
procedure is. What we can publish, maybe we can put it on the website. How to file a
complaint, like you said, what happens, what's the steps?
MS. SKREZEC: I mean, it's, you can even just copy the one that comes from Suffolk County.
It's obviously probably up to date as far as the standards, since they are an accredited agency.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: Yes, maybe we can do that.
MS. SKREZEC: And I do suggest that you ask Chief Flatley if there has been any complaints
issued that you should be aware of.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Yes, we will talk to him about it.
MS. SKREZEC: Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you. Would anybody else like to address the Board?
Benja Schwartz
BENJA SCHWARTZ: Benja Schwartz, Cutchogue. I was just looking on the website at the
Police Advisory Committee, it says that you are to appoint seven members and it only shows five
members and it says they are supposed to serve for three year terms and yet there's someone on
here whose term doesn't expire until 2021. So that's five years from now.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We'll check into that.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: I think that Bill had advised me that we have the proper number
with me and the Chief present. That makes seven. Because the Chief is always going to be there
and I am not a member, I am the liaison to that committee.
MR. SCHWARTZ: I think also the Chief is ex-officio, a member but not a member...
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COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: No, that's how the seven goes. That's h ow it was explained to me.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay, okay. I am not sure.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: And we revamped that. We have a bunch of new people on it.
MR. SCHWARTZ: How are we doing on the helicopters? Not too good. Do you all realize that
I was the first one to complain about the helicopters?
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: Why am I not surprised by that?
MR. SCHWARTZ: And when I complained about them, my neighbor said to me, what planet
do you live on? The Chief said we have no jurisdiction, we can't do anything. You know, there
are new, there's new type of helicopters in town and there's people that have tried to complain to
the police and been given what I believe is incorrect information, that we can't do anything.
about these unmanned aircraft systems. It is legal for them to weigh as much as 55 pounds a
piece.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: You are talking about drones.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, I call them drones, you call them drones but the federal government
calls them UAS. UAS, an unmanned aircraft system. I got interested in them because I had
company for the 4t" of July. Wasn't it a beautiful day? Well, how would you like it if your
neighbor was marching back and forth, over and around the top of your house with something
that sounded like a bunch of chainsaws, an army of lumberjacks with chainsaws fighting
beehives. You know, and these things are going over your house? I saw them crash at least
once.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: That's what they make 20 gauge buckshot for.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, my wife wanted to know if she could shoot it down. Seriously, the
individual that called the police and did not like the answer they got then came to me, to
complain to me. Well, I don't know why, what can I do? The only thing I can do is come to
you. But who are we supposed to go to if there is a problem with an illegal drone being flown
not just over private property but over public lands of Southold Town, the beaches.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: That's, sorry for interrupting, but you said illegal drone.
What makes it illegal?
MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, the rules are that contrary to the information provided by the
dispatchers at the Southold Town police, only the smallest one, they said the largest drones need
to be licensed but anything that is over, well, I would say a half pound but the regulation is .55
pound, otherwise known as 8 '/2 ounces, so it's a little easier to figure out, so you know, there is
on the federal government website listing of drones some weigh as little as one ounce, two
ounce, five ounce but then they jump to 15 ounce, 55 ounce. That's 3.5 pounds, to make it a
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little easier to understand, and they are allowed to be, they are not allowed to be over 55 pounds
but all drones that are over 8.5 ounces are required to be registered. Pilots are not required to be
registered. On the federal government website, which by the way the federal government is
attempting to preempt the regulations of the states. Approximately one third of the states have
adopted regulations, the other two thirds are not aware of this issue yet but believe me, you will
be aware of it when they are flying over your head.
COUNCILMAN GHOSIO: I brought this issue up about two years ago because I could see this
was going to be a problem and my reasoning is maybe a little bit different because I am not so,
the noise doesn't bother me so much but the drones, at least the small ones that I have seen, but I
was concerned about the cameras quite frankly. I think that it is an invasion of privacy and I do
know that some of these drones have been buzzing the beaches, taking video in inappropriate
ways. That's what had me concerned. The problem is, as I understand it, the regulations do
need to come from the federal government and the state. I don't know an awful lot about you
know, what we can do about it on a local level.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, maybe I can help you there.
COUNCILMAN GHOSIO: Sure, go ahead.
MR. SCHWARTZ: The privacy issue also concerns me as well as the safety issue but the
annoyance issue, believe me, when it happens to you, that will be important to you also. The
federal government is trying to say that they have preempted the field and that there are
regulations but there's at least 20 states that have issued their competing regulations and they're
duking it out in court. And I am not suggesting that the Town of Southold go up against the
federal government. That doesn't make sense to me.
COUNCILMAN GHOSIO: That hasn't worked out so well for the helicopter noise.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: No, it hasn't.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, what did work out, you remember when the first jet skis started
buzzing around and everybody started screaming because those were you know, noise carries
over water, it carries over air. Well, the jet ski manufacturers were basically looking that they
were going to be put out of business because nobody wanted them around and they put a muffler
on it. They put mufflers on them. Now you hardly hear them. You still have to watch them but
they are fun to ride. But that's the thing, you can make noise. There's 20 states that are making
noise with adopting their own regulations. New York State is not one of them. However, New
York State has given us, the Town of Southold, the local municipality, self-rule authority and we
have every right in the world to adopt regulations to supplement the state regulations. And we
might even have a duty to enforce those regulations, so why shouldn't we have regulations that
we can understand, that we can enforce and you know what? If they get struck down, so be it.
But if we make enough noise, then we won't have to suffer. I don't have anything else on that
issue right now. I hope people enjoy these drones but maybe if we can address the privacy, the
safety and the disturbance of the peace issues. Maybe they can do that. Right now they are
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selling them, they are telling people they have to be registered. I saw one in Costco the other
day, a couple of hundred dollars and it said right on the package you were required to register it
but what if you don't register it? well, you know, I understand that you don't want the Southold
Town police force going around and going into people's houses and with these tiny, toy
machines.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We are just trying to get beach stickers, we have enforcement
priorities right now.
MR. SCHWARTZ: When you have these machines flying around and one of the regulations that
applies to I believe all the drones, but it might just be the ones that are registered, I read through
the federal website and in one section is says it's not required to fly in line of sight and in the
other place they say that is required but when you see these drones and you can't see anybody
operating them, you can assume that they can't see the drones, the cameras in them.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you.
MR. SCHWARTZ: So that's all that I have to talk about tonight with that.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Can I just ask you to be succinct at this point because we have been
generous in listening to you.
MR. SCHWARTZ: I will. We have had two deaths this summer already, one in the Long Island
Sound, one in Plum Gut which I believe should concern this Town Board especially considering
the situation with the Plum Island. Do you have any interest in making any, in doing anything or
in trying to prevent future...
COUNCILMAN GHOSIO: To prevent people from jumping off their boats in strong currents?
I don't know how we can regulate that.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, that was one of the deaths. The other one was the man, you know,
there's kids, little kids and big kids and this was a big kid, very respected, very wonderful person
that contributed a lot to our communities as I understand it but he was so excited, he went out in
bad weather in a new boat and fell off it and died.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: There's no conceivable way Southold Town, the Southold Town
Board can ever address an issue like that. It's an unfortunate aspect of life that people have
accidents and I am not sure the Town board has any ability to change that fact.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, I do. I have addressed it and I believe I am having success already.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Good.
MR. SCHWARTZ: But I don't have any authority. If I can do it, why can't you?
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COUNCILMAN GHOSIO: I don't have enough details about what you are talking about.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, you see, that's part of the problem, that there are not enough details
put in the police report and the news media that picked up the police reports didn't put enough
details into the news reports because they didn't have the information. So you know, it comes
back down to maybe the police accreditation and the responsiveness not just to complaints but to
suggestions and individuals who could contribute to a functional police committee which implies
that there should be a functional police commission. And I don't believe that this current police
commission has ever functioned except when they are wearing their hats of the Town Board hats.
You are talking about having a special meeting to consider the parking permits for the beach.
well, what about a special meeting to consider your special duties as police commissioners that
administer our, you know, the police chief is not supposed to be the highest authority in the
Southold Town police force. It is the police commission but it never had a meeting to my
knowledge. You have never had a meeting as a police commission, have you?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: No. We are organized as members of Southold Town Board that
conducts the policing business during those meetings.
MR. SCHWARTZ: I am sorry, I couldn't...
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We are organized as members of Southold Town Board, then we
conduct police matters as part of that board. At the same meeting. In other words, what you are
suggesting is we call a separate meeting, convene a separate meeting as commissioners when the
more pragmatic approach is to simply take care of all business at one time while we sit here as
members of the Southold Town Board.
MR. SCHWARTZ: I think if you wear too many hats at the same time, it gets confusing. The
same board here, yourselves, also act as our code committee and I know there are other people
sitting at the table with you, not very many, most of them also ex officio wearing their own
alternative hats also but I would suggest that you might be more effective and comfortable if you
would try wearing one hat at a time sometimes. Thank you.
Supervisor Russell
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you. Anybody else?
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Motion To: Adjourn Town Board Meeting
RESOLVED that this meeting of the Southold Town Board be and hereby is declared adjourned
at 9:19 P.M.
Elizabeth A.Neville
Southold Town Clerk
RESULT: ADOPTED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: William P. Ruland, Councilman
SECONDER:Jill Doherty, Councilwoman
AYES: Dinizio Jr, Ruland, Doherty, Ghosio, Evans, Russell