HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-06/11/2001PLANNING BOARD MEi~IBERS
BENNETT ORLOWSKI, JR.
Chairman
RICHARD CAGGIANO
WILLIAM J. CREMERS
KENNETH L. EDWARDS
MARTIN SIDOR
P.O. Box 1179
Town Hall, 53095 State Route 25
Southold, New York 11971-0959
Telephone (631) 765-1938
Fax (631)'765-3136
PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
MINUTES
June 11, 2001
6:00 p.m.
Present were:
Bennett Orlowski, Jr., Chairman
Richard Caggiano
William J. Cremers
Kenneth L. Edwards
George Ritchie Latham, Jr.
Craig Turner, Planner
Robert G. Kassner, Site Plan Reviewer
Carol Kalin, Secretary
Mr. Orlowski: Good evening. I'd like to call this meeting to order. The first order of -
business is for the Board to set Monday, July 16, 2001, at 6:00 p.m. at the Southold
Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, as the time and place for the next regular Planning
Board Meeting.
Mr. Ca.q.qiano: So moved.
Mr. Cremers: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
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PUBLIC HEAI~.INGS
Subdivisions:
Mr, Orlowski: 6:00 p.m. - Manzi Homes at Southold - This minor subdivision is for a
cluster subdivision of 2 lots on 2.863 acres. The property is located within a R-40
Zoning District and is located on the east side of Horton's Lane, approximately 848'
south of the intersection with CR 48. SCTM#1000-63-1-13
Are there any comments on this minor subdivision? (There were none.)
Hearing none, are there any questions from the Board? (There were no questions from
the Board.)
Hearing no questions, I'll entertain a motion to close the hearing.
Mr. Cremers: So moved.
Mr. Caq.qiano: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in
favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries. (The hearing was closed at 6:02 p.m.)
Does the Board have any pleasure?
Mr. Cremers: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following resolution -
WHEREAS, this proposed subdivision is for 2 lots on 2.863 acres on Horton's Lane,
south of County Route 48 in Southold; and
WHEREAS, there will be no further subdivision of this property; and
WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to the State Environmental
Quality Review Act, (Article 8), Part 617, declared itself lead agency, made a
determination of non-significance, and granted a Negative Declaration on June 12,
2000; and
WHEREAS, a final public hearing was closed on said subdivision application at the
Town Hall, Southold, New York on June 11,2001; and
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WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to Chapter 58, Notice of
Public Hearing, has received affidavits that the applicant has complied with the
notification provisions; and
WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Subdivision Regulations of the Town of $outhold
have been met; be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board grant conditional final approval on
the maps, dated February 17, 2000, subject to the fulfillment of the following conditions.
These conditions must be met within six (6) months of the resolution:
1. A Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions must be filed preventing further
subdivision, and proof of filing must be submitted to the Planning Board.
2. The park and playground fee of $10,000 must be paid.
3. The two required street trees must be planted.
Mr. Edwards: Second the motion.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in
favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Mr. Orlowski: 6:05 p.m. - Liqhthouse Road 26, LLC - This minor subdivision is for 4
lots on 10.651 acres. The property is located on the west side of Lighthouse Road,
560.66 feet north of Old North Road in Southold. SCTM#1000-54-3-26.1
Does anyone have any comments on this minor subdivision?
Unidentified Person in Audience: Yes, I'd like to read a statement, if l may.
Jean Cochran and the Republican Party are proposing 5 acre zoning to help keep the
North Fork from becoming the Hamptons and avoid over-building on every lot. She has
placed particular attention on land that is zoned Agricultural Conservation. Lighthouse
Road 26, LLC - namely Joe Sawicki - is proposing to develop this 10 acre lot which is
zoned A-C, Agricultural Conservation - exactly the land Jean Cochran is proposing to
save. To indicate to the neighbors on Lighthouse Road that the Planning Board is willing
to finalize this subdivision which consists of a cluster of four houses - Joe Sawicki's
house would be a 5.378 flag lot at the rear of the property and three houses each on
under-sized lots of 1.758 acres - because Mr. Sawicki is willing to give back 60 feet of
Open Space - this simply doesn't wash. The 60 feet of Open Space cannot be seen
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from the road and the only person that is affected in a positive way is Joe Sawicki since
this 60 feet acts as a buffer between his house and the three houses on the under-sized
lots that we all get to look at.
We are asking the Planning Board to re-consider and insist that this proposed
subdivision improve the cluster to more reasonable stops. Put the 60 feet of Open
Space in front of all the houses. Move Mr. Sawicki's house to the front and put two
houses on 2 acres, not three houses on 1.758 acres as proposed. We are unhappy
about the over-building on this lot. This would add enormous noise and traffic to our
neighborhood. A minimum of two cars a house is eight cars coming and going from just
that 10 acres.
Although this is not a political issue, those of us who have supported Mr. Sawicki over
the years question the current imbalance between what is encouraged publicly and
what is practiced personally with whatever in mind and respect for the environment now
in second place. This is a matter of right and wrong. If Mr. Sawicki were standing in our
place, he would have to, in good conscience, take the same position we have taken on
this important land matter. Thank you.
Mr. Orlowski: Can I have your name for the record?
Unidentified Speaker: Ed Coakley. I might say something else, too. The letter of the law
and spirit of the law in sending out notices about the subdivision and this Planning
Board Meeting are not the same. My driveway is exactly opposite Mr. Sawicki's
driveway; my mailbox is on his property, but I received no notice. I just want to make
that point clear. Thank you.
Mr. Turner: In answer to a number of your questions, the reason why you did not
receive notice is that the notification provisions are set by State Law which says
adjacent property owners including adjacent property owners across the street - you do
not actually own any of the property adjacent to the property and that is why you did not
receive notice.
Mr. Coakley: I did say the spirit of the law and the letter of the law. I understand the
issue. It's still not right. I mean, as I said, my mailbox- because of the Postal
requirements - are on Joe Sawicki's property.
Mr. Turner: That's something that is set by State Law.
Mr. Coakley: I understand. I have a letter from another neighbor who owns a historic
house and I just want to present it.
Mr. Turner: To some of the other questions - it's not a political issue here. Mr. Sawicki
just bought the property probably a few months ago and is not the original applicant
here.
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Mr. Coakley: Right.
Mr. Turner: The 60 feet is not Open Space. It's the front yard setback. When you have a
flag lot, it's taken from the rear of the lot that is flagged behind and not directly from the
road.
Mr. Coakley: O.K.
Mr. Turner: Also, the density is the same as would be allowed under the normal 2 acre
zoning. The reason why those lots are 1.758 acres is just the way it fits on the property
and it's supposed to be a better way than creating four two acre lots.
Mr. Coakley: There, in good conscience, could be no reason that Mr. Sawicki can't take
4-1/4 acres and give ¼ acre back to each of those lots and make them true 2 acre lots.
Each lot is over 10,000 square feet short of 2 acres. That's not, in good conscience,
keeping with the law for the rules of Southold.
Mr. Turner: That is. It's called cluster zoning. Often, we need clustering to create lots
even smaller. A lot of our clusters have lots now as small as 1 acre in a 2 acre zone and
the reason why is to preserve Open Space or limit the impact of development. Now, in
this case, the larger lot in the rear of the parcel was created with a restricted building
envelope. They don't have a building envelope set by the Zoning Code but set by the
Planning Board to make sure they didn't build too large of a house or take up too much
of the property to preserve some of the Open Space on the parcel.
Mr. Coakley: As I say, respectfully, if any of you ladies or gentlemen lived across the
street, you'd be saying the same thing that I'm saying. Thank you.
Mr. Orlowski: Any other comments?
Jane Pottmire: I have a question. I heard a rumor that the development rights for this
ten acres was sold to the Town for six thousand dollars an acre so that it would not be
built on. Is this true? And if it was, and it was bought back, was the money given back to
the Town?
Mr. Orlowski: No, the development rights were never sold on this property. May I have
your name for the record, please?
Jane Pottmire: All right. Jean Potmire. I was just concerned on an aesthetic value that
the street is going to lose its charm and I think like everybody else we are really
concerned in terms of what is going to happen, especially at the very front of the street -
are they going to maintain the trees that are there? How far back are the houses going
to be set? The aesthetics of the homes themselves - are they going to become these
huge monstrosities that the builders are going to build? Are they going to be completely
out of character with the rest of the street? Is there any information on that?
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Mr. Orlowski: We don't control any of that.
Jane Pottmire: Including the tree line?
Craig Turner: Set backs we control but the set backs ...(inaudible).
Mr. Ca.q.qiano: The trees has to stay too. They do show - in the sub-division map they
do show the trees along the street. The reason why is they are not allowed to cut all of
those down otherwise we normally have a street tree requirement in the Town that
requires one tree to be planted every forty feet or depending on different type of trees
and because they show that they are maintaining some of the trees on the property, that
did not have to meet the screen tree requirement.
Jane Pottmire: What is the home, do you know the name of the owners all the way at
the end of Lighthouse and Old North Road - they created a lovely like kind of barrier of
trees. It almost appeared out of respect for the rest of the street so they are really kind
of hidden back. You know that they are there but it is really quite private. I am not quite
understanding I guess what you just said then. Are they - is there a possibility that they
could do that out of respect for the rest of us on the street?
Craig Turner: They can. They can maintain the trees to however they want. They do
have to maintain a certain amount but it not quite said exactly how much as long as
meet the Code requirements.
Jane Pottmire: How far back are the homes going to be set?
Crai.q Turner: We don't know that is up to the building owners. The building envelopes
have been set. On the map we see sixty feet as the minimum set back to the front yard.
Jane Pottmire: Sixty feet. Thanks. Because I think some of the other homes on the
street are about one hundred and fifty feet from the adjoining properties.
Craig Turner: The homeowner would have the option of doing that if they could fit the
house on the lot.
Jane Pottmire: O,K. And then what about the buffer zone between the houses, I guess
themselves, the three in the front? I mean on the beach property line - the one point
seventy five or the two acres. How much buffer will there be between the houses?
Crai.q Turner: The minimum set back is twenty feet on one side, twenty five feet on the
other side so that's the minimum side yard set back between each lot. Again, a lot of
this all depends on where the person chooses to place the house, how big it is, what
style it is. It's up to the individual that owns it.
Jane Pottmire: My neighbor faxed over a letter that she wanted everyone to
acknowledge.
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Mr. Odowski: Any other comments?
Douglas Stares: You had mentioned in a statement that ~ I believe he did - of this
clustering of houses, you know, if the lots are less than the mandated two acres, that is
a faite compile that it would fit within the framework of the Town?
Mr. Orlowski: The clustering, yes.
Douglas Stares: Even though there are sort of a standard set by the Town two acre
minimum, and particularly, with the Town Board now suggesting five acres.
Mr. Orlowski: I am not sure I follow you but -
Douglas Stares: Well, there seems to be a double negative here that I don't quite
understand - if there is a minimum requirement of two acres for agricultural survey.
Mr. Orlowski: Well, the zoning is two acres.
Craig Turner: It is a density; it is not a lot size issue. So, even with the proposed five
acre zoning in a proposed cluster - so that if you have a fifty acre farm you are not going
to have ten five acre lots - you will have ten one acre or ten two acre lots; the majority is
preserved as farmland. That's what most of our subdivisions that say they are cluster
subdivisions - meaning is by making smaller lot sizes to preserve more open space; you
leave more areas that can either be farmed or the trees can't be cut down to preserve
the environmental barriers.
Douglas Staire: Now, as the Planning Board which is appointed by the Town of
Southold, I presume you make a recommendation to the Town - is that correct -
regarding this petition? Do you make a recommendation - yes or no - and if it should
proceed, is there a variance required or is this the ultimate?
Mr. Orlowski: No, this is it.
Douglas Stares: This is it. Interesting. Ok. Thank you.
Peg Murray: Hi. My name is Peg Murray and I live on Lighthouse Road. I have for about
twenty-five years and it's changed so much. It's really - you know, we talk all the time
about everybody wants to live out here because it is so beautiful but what is so beautiful
is the space and the beauty is of nature and we don't have art museums and theaters
and, you know, big concert halls and big town hall even. We just have this beauty and 1
think we have to hang on to that. I respectfully suggest this to that, you know, putting
three houses on that little bit of land - it's not the houses. Of course, I am sure Mr.
Sawicki has good taste. They will be lovely but it means more orange peels and
garbage. It means more diapers and dirty diapers. It means more carbon dioxide from
the cars. Those are the things that we don't want and that is what you get when you
have a lot of people in one little place. Living there now is quite extraordinary. At least
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twice a week I have to take a garbage bag out and go up and down in front of my
property and pick up cigarette things and Chinese food cartons and soda cans. People
just ride up to that lighthouse and throw garbage out on, I guess, all of our property. So,
I am busy being the garbage man and I do that because I care terribly about this
location and how beautiful it is. And you know that museum at the end of the road is
becoming very famous and people come from all over to see it and they have to go up
this road and if they are piling through these Chinese food cartons and the garbage and
the diapers and all that stuff and all these motorcycles, kids running up and down - and
they are not kids they are almost as old as I am - they are tearing up and down the road
and it really loses what we all wanted when we can here and we long to pass on to our
kids. Thanks.
Mr. Orlowski: Any other comments?
Pat Moore: You have not needed me here. Mr. Turner has done a fine job responding
to all the comments and the Board as well but, for the record, I am Patricia Moore. I am
the attorney for the applicant. I do want to clarify that this was originally called the
McGuinnigle Subdivision. Ninety percent of the work has already been completed. We
are now at the final stages where Mr. Sawicki has acquired the property and finishing it
up. So, it is understood that this has been in the works for quite some time. We are
really at the tail end of finishing up the subdivision. The sketch plan, the Health
Department - it's all been completed.
Unidentified Speaker: With all due respect, some of us would not know this since we
were not notified.
Mr. Orlowski: This is not a debate. We are just here to gather information. Any other
comments?
Corey Donopria: My name is Corey Donopia. I live on Old North Road. I would just ask
one question to you - do you take into consideration the number of homes that would be
placed additional to what there are ...(inaudible) the nature of this .... (inaudible)
Lighthouse to Old North to Youngs. There is a situation in the intersection of - at the
base, really - of Youngs as it intersects with Old North that is quite a hazard when the
rains come and freezing. I don't know if all these people are aware of that. It will
continuously ...(inaudible) the problem if you increase the traffic. I talked to the
Supervisor and she guarantees there will ...(inaudible) this building and these homes -
the subdivision will be completed as well, otherwise, we are going to have mighty sad
people. More than we have now.
Mr. Orlowski: Any other comments?
Jane Pottmire: I just forgot to add - it is really busy on our street. People just fly down
the street they don't adhere to the speed limit. Since there is going to be a larger
population on the street, they could add possibly more speed limit signs, maybe more
stop signs. Just something to control the traffic because people fly down the street. The
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woman - my next door neighbor - her partner's son whose dog got hit on Lighthouse
Road because someone was just careless and going entirely too fast and it happens all
the time. They just fly down the road without any respect or concern for kids, pets,
people. Will that be taken into consideration since there is going to be an increase?
Mr. Orlowski: That's more a question for the Town Board.
Jane Pottmire: Could that be brought up by you to the Town Board?
Mr. Orlowski: You'd have to take that to the Town Board. We just do subdivisions.
Jane Pottmire: Only because that would additionally impact the street.
Mr. Orlowski: Yes.
Jane Pottmire: O.K.
Mr. Orlowski: Any other comments? Hearing none, are there any questions from the
Board? Mr. Edwards?
Mr. Edwards: No.
Mr. Orlowski: Mr. Caggiano?
Board Member Richard Caggiano: I'd like to say something. I can sympathize with what
you folks are saying. I feel many times the same things as you do. However, you have
to understand that we are a Board that follows a Code Book and the Code Book is that
thick. And if an applicant comes and meets the requirements of that Code Book, we
don't have a choice but to grant them approval. So, if the applicant has been here and
has met all the requirements as indicated by Mr. Turner, then we really don't have a
choice. The Code Book says such and such, we have to do it if they meet those
requirements. So, although many of the points you bring up are valid, sometimes that
doesn't come into play if the applicant meets all of the requirements as described in the
Code which we're obligated to follow. I know that probably doesn't make you feel any
better but at least it's an explanation of what our job as Planning Board Members is.
Mr. Orlowski: Mr. Cremers?
Mr. Cremers: No.
Mr. Orlowski: Mr. Latham?
Mr. Latham: Mr. Caggiano has explained the law.
Mr. Orlowski: O.K. I'll entertain a motion to close the hearing.
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Mr. Caq.qiano: So moved.
Mr. Cremers: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in
favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries. (The hearing was closed at 6:23 p.m.)
What is the pleasure of the Board?
Mr. Caggiano: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following:
WHEREAS, this proposed subdivision is for 4 lots on 10.651 acres on Lighthouse Road,
north of Old North Road in Southold; and
WHEREAS, there will be no further subdivision of this property; and
WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to the State Environmental
Quality Review Act, (Article 8), Part 617, declared itself lead agency, made a
determination of non-significance, and granted a Negative Declaration on March 7,
2000; and
WHEREAS, a final public hearing was closed on said subdivision application at the
Town Hall, Southold, New York on June 11,2001; and
WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to Chapter 58, Notice of
Public Hearing, has received affidavits that the applicant has complied with the
notification provisions; and
WHEREAS, all the requirements of the Subdivision Regulations of the Town of Southold
have been met; be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board grant conditional final approval on
the maps, dated April 24, 2001, subject to the fulfillment of the following conditions.
These conditions must be met within six (6) months of the resolution:
1. A Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions must be filed preventing further
subdivision, and proof of filing must be submitted to the Planning Board.
2. The park and playground fee of $20,000 must be paid.
3. Two mylars with the Health Dept. approval stamp must be submitted.
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4. All of the maps and myiars must be amended to show only one set of
setbacks. The setbacks shown with the building envelopes are correct,
the ones written on the bottom are incorrect and should be removed.
Mr. Edwards: Second the motion.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in
favor?
Ayes: Mr. Odowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Hearing Held Over From Previous Meetings:
Mr; Orlowski: Island Health Projects, Inc, - This proposed lot line change is to merge a
10,890 sq. ft. parcel, SCCTM#1000-9-2-6.2, with a 12,565 sq. ft. parcel, SCTM# 1000-
9-2-8, creating a 23,455 sq. ft. parcel. The properties are located at the north corner of
Oriental Avenue and Crescent Avenue on Fishers Island.
Do you want to say a few words while the hearing is still open?
Patricia Moore, Esq.: Well, actually I spoke with the attorney for the ...(inaudible) of the
neighbor and I advised them that my understanding of what the Board was doing this
evening was to close the hearing and we are going to properly notice it for the next July
meeting. That's fine - we're all in agreement - that's fine. I am not submitting any
additional documentation for obvious reasons as to this hearing and 1 will leave it up to
the attorney whether or not he wants to resubmit it at the next hearing. Otherwise, we
will ask that any transcripts or correspondence that you receive be applied to the July
meeting.
Mr. Orlowski: O.K. Anyone else? We will close this hearing and make a motion.
Mr. Ca.q.qiano: So moved.
Mr. Cremers: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded to close the hearing. Any questions on the
motion?
Mr. Orlowski: All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Latham.
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Mr. Edwards: Abstain.
Mr. Orlowski: Mr. Edwards is noted as abstaining.
Mr. Odowski: Opposed? The motion carries. (The hearing was closed at 6:26 p.m.)
Mr. Cremers: Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer the following:
WHEREAS, the final public hearing was begun on May 14, 2001; and
WHEREAS, the agent for the applicant failed to properly notify the neighboring property
owners of the hearing; and
WHEREAS, the Planning Board has elected to close the original hearing and set a new
hearing for its next public meeting; be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board set Monday, July 16, 2001 at 6:00
p.m. for a final public hearing on the maps, dated February 23, 2001.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion?
Mr. Orlowski: All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Edwards: Abstain.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Mr. Orlowski: Cross Sound Ferry- This proposed new site plan is to amend the June
6, 1995 site plan for the Cross Sound Ferry Company terminal. The subject site
encompasses three parcels located on the west and east sides of SR 25 at its eastern-
most terminus in Orient. SCTM#1000-15-9-10.1, 11.1 and 15.1.
I am going to entertain a motion to hold this hearing open. The SEQRA document has
not been reviewed completely yet by this Board and probably it should be available next
week sometime. But, right now, it is not complete so we will hold this hearing open. If
anybody would like to make a comment for the record right now, they may; otherwise, I
will entertain a motion to hold it open.
Mr. Latham: So moved.
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Mr. Ca.q.qiano: Seconded.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in
favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
MAJOR AND MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, LOT LINE CHANGES AND SET-OFF
APPLICATIONS
Final Determinations:
Mr. Orlowski: John Sidor - This minor subdivision is for 3 lots on 21.97 acres. The
Development Rights will be purchased by the Town on the 13.296 acres of Lot No. 3.
The property fronts on the north side of CR 48 and the south side of Wickham Ave. in
Mattituck. SCTM#1000-107-10-6
Mr. Cremers: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following:
WHEREAS, this subdivision received conditional final approval from the Planning Board
on May 29, 2001; and
WHEREAS, all of the conditions have been met; be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board authorize the Chairman to
endorse the final surveys, dated March 7, 2001.
Mr. Edwards: Second the motion.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in
favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Final Extensions:
Mr. Orlowski: Peconic Development Corp. (a.k.a. Harvest Homes, Section 2) - This
proposed major subdivision is for 13 lots on 14.9 acres located on Oaklawn Avenue and
Wells Avenue in Southold. SCTM#1000-70-3-22
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Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following:
BE IT RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant a retroactive six-month
extension of conditional final approval from May 22, 2001 to November 22, 2001.
Conditional final approval was granted on May 22, 2000.
Mr. Cremers: Second the motion.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in
favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Sketch Determinations:
Mr. Odowski: James Georqe & Linda Schaffer - This proposed set-off is for 2 lots on
22,28 acres. Development Rights have been sold on 20 acres and there is an existing
house on the 2.24 acre residential lot, The property is located on the north side of
Wickham Avenue, between Mill Lane and Elijah's Lane in Mattituck. SCTM#1000-107-5-
6.2 & 6.3
Mr. Latham: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer this resolution:
WHEREAS, this proposed set-off is for 2 lots on 22.28 acres on the north side of
Wickham Avenue, between Mill Lane and Elijah's Lane in Mattituck; and
WHEREAS, Development Rights have been sold to the Town of Southold on 20 acres
of Lot 2; and
WHEREAS, there is an existing house on the proposed 2.24-acre Lot 1; be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board grant sketch plan approval to the
subdivision map, dated April, 2001.
Mr. Cremers: Second the motion.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in
favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
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Mr. Latham:
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board, acting under the
State Environmental Quality Review Act, do an uncoordinated review of this unlisted
action. The Planning Board establishes itself as Lead Agency, and as Lead Agency
makes a determination of non-significance, and grants a Negative Declaration.
Mr. Edwards: Second the motion.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in
favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Mr. Orlowski: Edward III & Monica Harbes - This proposed set-off is for 2 lots on
44.219 acres on the north side of Sound Avenue in Mattituck, west of Aldrich Lane. The
lot to be set off is 1.843 acres. SCTM#1000-112-1-7.
Mr. Cremers: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following:
WHEREAS, this proposed set-off is for 2 lots on 44.219 acres on the north side of
Sound Avenue in Mattituck, west of Aldrich Lane; and
WHEREAS, the lot to be set-off is 1.843 acres; be it therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board grant conditional sketch plan
approval to the subdivision map, dated April 10, 2001, subject to the following condition:
1. The building envelope for the lot to be set-off should be restricted to the
northern end of the property because of the lot width and topography; and
Mr. Cag.qiano: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in
favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Mr. Cremers: In addition:
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BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board start the lead
agency process on this unlisted action.
Mr. Caggiano: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in
favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Review of Reports:
Mr. Orlowski: Ernest Schneider - This proposed minor subdivision is for 2 lots on 12.3
acres and a 1.2-acre lot line change with an existing lot. The property is located on the
west side of AIvah's Lane, north of CR 48 in Cutchogue, SCTM#1000-95-3-10 & 101-1-
14,3
Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following resolution:
BE IT RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board adopt the recommendation
of the Cutchogue Fire Department for a fire well.
Mr. Caqgiano: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion?
Abigail Wickham, Esq.: Can we address the Board?
Mr. Orlowski: Yes.
Abigail Wickham, Esq.: Thank you. I'm here on behalf of Mr. Schneider. We would like
to ask the Board to consider perhaps, to some extent, relieving him from the
recommendation of the Fire Department since he is not doing what you might consider
typical development. The one lot that currently exists, he is gratuitously making larger
as far as the set-off part of the lot line change. The remainder of the property, as you
know, already has a house on it. He would just like to give it to his son. He's not selling
it; he's not making a development or making a prOfit. And the remaining lot, as you
know, contains his greenhouse building. If your concern is with the greenhouse building,
that is heated by home heating fuel. There is a propane tank there that perhaps the Fire
Department was concerned about. That is strictly back-up for emergency. The main
source is heat for that whole operation - heating fuel oil. There are a few chemicals
stored at the property. Probably no more than you would have with a very active
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homeowner and he keeps them in a building which is vented, according to regulations.
The fertilizer there, again, is a fairly restricted quantity. He has invited the Fire
Department to go down and take a look if they have any concerns or recommendations.
He doesn't intend to build a house at this point on that third lot. He would be willing to
take whatever he gets to utilize that in terms of not having to install a fire well at this
point at a fairly tremendous expense until such time that he did plan on building a house
on that third lot. As you know, the properties along the west side of Alvah's Lane that
were subdivided were not required to have a fire well installed. I believe there was one
down at the corner of Alvah's Lane and Route 48 some time ago which is near to some
of those lots but the northerly lots in that group are also quite aways away and this
would gratuitously benefit them at his expense and he would just like to ask you to
consider- it is a recommendation. It's not going to ...(inaudible)
Mr. Orlowski: Well, when it comes to fire protection and life and safety, the Board has
never over-ridden any Fire District in their recommendation. You said the Fire District
could come out and take a look and maybe they could come to some agreement if they
did get together and go over this.
Ms. Wickham: Well, I believe ...(inaudible) asked him to do that. Obviously, he and his
family work there. They are more concerned than anyone about fire protection and fire
safety. If there is anything they feel is not being done properly, certainly he would be
willing to correct that. He recently went through a credit review where C.O.s were
required and I believe that all the C.O.s required by the Town are in place on that
property. It's a glass and steel building .... (inaudible) It's primarily not a flammable
building. That's why I mentioned the heat source that they may have been concerned
about. It was at one time propane. Right now, it's strictly back up.
Mr. Orlowski: Did he remove the propane tank?
Ms. Wickham: The propane tank is about the same size as you would find in a home
heating system that is heated where you have a pool and a home heated with propane.
It is not, according to Mr. Schneider, something that would be just in a very large
commercial greenhouse.
Mr. Schneider: I used to have four of them and I don't heat with propane any more and I
just have three burners that are used for standby and that's all. If that's a problem, I can
take the propane out.
Mr. Orlowski: I would suggest - we can hold this and talk to the Fire District if that is
their only problem and you're willing to take it out. Then maybe they won't ask for that
well.
Ms. Wickham: I'd like to ask you to give us time to do that. It seems like a really harsh
result that might may be able to get waived without sacrificing ...(inaudible) are
concerned.
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Board Member Kenneth Edwards: Why doesn't the applicant try to set up a meeting with
the Fire Commissioners? They may have some other concerns that they haven't told us
about. They're the professionals in the field here and not us.
Ms. Wickham: Did you say they have other concerns?
Mr. Edwards: No. They may have. I think if you sat down and discussed it with them -
Ms. Wickham: Be glad to do that. This letter just came back.
Mr. Edwards: We normally go with the recommendations of the Fire Commissioners
within the districts of each hamlet when we have an application.
Chairman Orlowski: We'll hold it and let you talk to the Fire Commissioners. Is that all
right?
Board Member Richard Caq.qiano: I have no problem with that.
Mr. Edwards: I'll withdraw my motion.
Chairman Orlowski: Withdraw it and make a motion to table this until the next meeting.
Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I withdraw my motion and make the following motion:
BE IT RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board table the matter of adopting
the recommendation of the Cutchogue Fire Department for a fire well.
Mr. Ca.q.qiano: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in
favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Mr. Orlowski: Ralph Pu.qliese - This proposed minor subdivision is for 3 lots on 22.76
acres. Development Rights have been sold on 14.81 acres. There is an existing house
and winery on one lot. The property is located on Main Road, west of Bridge Lane in
Cutchogue. SCTM#1000-97-1-12.6, 12.7 & 12.9
Mr. Cremers: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following:
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WHEREAS, no other agencies have asked to be granted lead agency status; be it
therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board declare itself lead agency.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in
favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Mr. Cremers: In addition -
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board override the
Suffolk County Planning Commission's disapproval of the subdivision. The Planning
Board will be addressing the County's concerns during later stages of the subdivision
review.
Mr. Latham: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in
favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
MAJOR AND MINOR SUBDIVISIONS, LOT LINE CHANGES, SET-OFF
APPLICATIONS - STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT
Lead Agency Designation:
Mr. Orlowski: Bayview Overlook at $outhold - This proposed major subdivision is for
9 lots on 24 acres located on the north side of North Bayview Road, east of Reydon
Drive in Southold. SCTM#1000-79-5-20.6 & 20.7
Mr. Latham: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer this:
WHEREAS, no other agencies have asked to be granted lead agency status; be it
therefore
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RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board declare itself lead agency.
Mr. Cremers: Second the motion.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in
favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
Mr. Orlowski: Dayton Farms - This proposed major subdivision is for 5 lots on 13.45
acres located on the east side of Jacob's Lane in Southold. SCTM#1000-88-1-10
Mr. Edwards: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following resolution:
WHEREAS, no other agencies have asked to be granted lead agency status; be it
therefore
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board declare itself lead agency.
Mr. Cremers: Second the motion.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in
favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
SITE PLANS
Final Determinations:
Mr. Cag,qiano: Mr. Chairman, I'll offer the following:
BE IT RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board authorize the Chairman to
endorse the final surveys, last revised April 4, 2001. Conditional final approval was
granted on March 12, 2001. All conditions have been fulfilled.
Mr. Orlowski: Peconic Bay Winery - This proposed site plan is for a 10,515 square foot
tasting building on 27.031 acres located on Route 25 in Cutchogue. SCTM#1000-103-1-
19.11 & 19.2
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Mr. Cremers: Second the motion.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the motion? All those in
favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
APPROVAL OF PLANNING BOARD MINUTES
Mr. Orlowski: Board to approve the February 12, 2001 minutes.
Mr. Cremers: So moved.
Mr. Capilano: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Orlowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Odowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
I have nothing left on my agenda. If anyone would like to put something on the record,
they may speak now. Otherwise, we'll adjourn and go into a Work Session.
Mr. Ca.q.qiano So moved.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made.
Mr. Edwards: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Odowski, Mr. Caggiano, Mr. Cremers, Mr. Edwards, Mr. Latham.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? The motion carries.
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There being no further business to come before the Board, the meeting was adjourned
at 6:43 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Carol Kalin
Barbara Rudder