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APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
ACTION OF THE BOARD
Appl. No. 3975:
Appeal Application of ARTHUR G. CARLSON for an
Interpretation resulting from the October 11, 1991 Notice of
Disapproval from the Building Inspector, as amended, under
Article III, Section 100-31A(2) for approval of a wholesale
shellfish distribution business and declaring that the
aquacultural use falls within the purview of the agricultural
use. The subject parcel is located in the Agricultural-
Conservation (A-C) Zone District and contains a total area of
40,000 sq. ft. Location of Property: 1575 Lower Road,
Southold, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-69-5-13.2; also
known as Lot #3 of the Minor Subdivision of Judith T. Terry
approved by the Southold Town Planning Board 10/1/79.
WHEREAS, public hearings were held on this Appeal of the
October 11, 1991 Notice of Disapproval from the Building
Inspector, on the following dates: (a) March 25, 1992, June 4,
1992 and June 30, 1992;
WHEREAS, all comments were heard and both written and oral
testimony having been recorded and made a part of this file; and
WHEREAS, the Board has carefully considered all testimony
and documentation, pro, con and other, submitted concerning this
application; and
WHEREAS, the Board Members have personally viewed and are
familiar with the premises in question, the present use,
previous and current zone districts, all surrounding areas --
including residential uses, agricultural uses and commercial
uses in the vicinity of this property; and
WHEREAS, the Board made the following findings of fact:
1. This is an application for an Interpretation as
authorized by Section 100-271(D){1} of the zoning code appealing
the October 11, 1991 Notice of Disapproval issued by the
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Application of ARTHUR G. CARLSON
Decision Rendered Au§ust 18 ,
1992
Building Inspector which states as follows:
...PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that your application dated
August 23, 1991 for permit to process seafood
mariculture at 1575 Lower Road, Southold, County
Tax Map No. 1000, Section 069, Block 05, Lot 13,
is returned herewith and disapproved on the
following grounds: Article III, Section 100-31A(2)
Residential and Agricultural Zone. An
interpretation is needed by Zoning Board of
Appeals on mariculture; its meaning~ and what
the permitted uses are in an agricultural zone .... "
2. The specific provision for which an Interpretation is
being requested applies to the Agricultural-Conservation (A/C)
Zone District, and this Article III, Section 100-31A(2) reads as
follows:
100-31. Use regulations...
A. Permitted uses...
(2) (Amended 5-23-89 by LL No. 8-1989). The
following agricultural operations and accessory
uses thereto, including irrigation, provided that
there shall be no storage of manure, fertilizer
or other odor- or dust- producing substance or
use, except spraying and dusting to protect
vegetation, within one-hundred fifty (150) feet
of any lot line:
(a) The raising of field and garden crops,
vineyard and orchard farming, the maintenance of
nurseries and the seasonal sale of products grown
on the premises, subject to the following special
requirements... {emphasis added}
(1) All buildings for display and retail
sales of agricultural and nursery products grown
on the premises shall not exceed one thousand
(1,000) square feet in floor area or one (1)
story in height. Display of produce at a
roadside farm stand shall be not less than ten
(10) feet from all street and lot lines. Any
roadside farm stand in excess of fifty (50)
square feet in floor area shall be set back
twenty (20) feet from the street line. Any stand
in existence ...must...comply with all the
provisions hereof.
(2) All signs shall conform...
(3) Off-street parking shall be provided
and shall be approved by the Planning Board...
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Application of ARTHUR G. CARLSON
Decision Rendered ^u§ust 18 ,
1992
(b) The keeping, breeding, raising and
training of horses, domestic animals and fowl
(except ducks) on lots of ten (10) acres or more.
(c) Barns, storage buildings, greenhouses
(including plastic covered) and other related
structures, provided that such buildings shall
conform to the yard requirements for principal
buildings...
4. The definition of fish processing is specifically
provided in the zoning code and reads as follows:
"...The readying of fish and shellfish for
shipping to market, including icing, cleaning,
filleting, shucking and the cooking of crabs or
lobster, but not including other cooking,
canning, freezing, smoking or other fish factory
operations .... "
5. The definition of agriculture is defined as
"...The production, keeping or maintenance, for
sale, lease or personal use, of plants and
animals useful to man, including but not limited
to forages and sod crops; grains and seed crops;
dairy animals and dairy products; poultry and
poultry products; livestock, including beef,
cattle, sheep, swine, horses, ponies, mules or
goats or any mutation or hybridgs thereof,
including the breeding and grazing of any or all
of such animals; bees and apiary products, fur
animals; fruits of all kinds including grapes,
nuts and berries, vegetables, floral, ornamental
and greenhouse products; or lands devoted to a
soil conservation or forestry management
program... "
6. The applicant's attorney has offered testimony to show
comparisons of the following activities being conducted at the
subject premises (in the large accessory barn and the garage)
with agricultural and winery operations:
(a) delivery of shellfish in their natural state, and
shucking of the owner-resident's catch of scallops and steaming
of conches;
(b) purchase of shellfish and delivery to this site
of scallops, conches and other crustaceans caught by persons
other than the owner-resident of this property;
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Application of ARTHUR G. CARLSON
Decision Rendered August 18, 1992
(c) shucking or steaming of crustaceans at this
for distribution and sales for marketing off-premises and
off-premises consumption;
site
(d) packaging of scallops and steamed conches into
containers for off-site distribution and off-site sales and
marketing;
(e) refrigeration-storage of shellfish overnight for
distribution off premises.
7. Although methods of commercial agricultural farming is
comparable in many respects to fishing or harvesting of
shellfish activities and although there are similar processes
(such as cleaning, cutting, packing, bagging) that the farmer
performs before shipping the vegetables or fruit to market, the
application before this Board in effect is requesting an
amendment to the legislation. It is the position of the Board
that its authority in interpretations is limited only to the
context of the provisions of the code and, of course, its
meaning. Allowable agricultural operations are related to
farming of the land and raising thereon of stock and animals.
Maricultural operations, which are provided for the Marine I and
II Zone Districts of the zoning code, involve the cultivation,
breeding, growing and related development of aquatic or marine
crops. It is the opinion of this Board that the activities
conducted by the applicant do not constitute an agricultural
operation under the provisions of the A/C Zone District, and
this Board is not authorized to re-define, change, alter, add
to, or otherwise modify the code definitions or use provisions
of the code by way of interpretation.
8. It is noted, however, under subsection C(2) of this
Agricultural-Conservation Zone District, the home occupation
provision does authorize "baymen" having their primary residence
at a site to conduct certain activities as an accessory to this
residence. (Please also see definition of home occupation in
Section 100-13). Such activities must be clearly secondary to
the residential use and must be "...carried on by the residents
which are connected with produce of the seas, bays or
harbors .... " Other activities, such as the purchase of
shellfish or other seafood, which is acquired from other areas
and other baymen who do not reside at the premises, for the
purpose of shipping, food-processing, packaging, wholesaling,
etc. does not fall under this definition of an accessory Home
Occupation use, or any other principal or accessory use
provision in this Agricultural-Conservation (A/C) Zone
District.
NOW, THEREFORE, on motion by Mr. Villa, seconded by
Mr. Dinizio,
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ApplicatioD of ARTHUR G. CARLSON
Decision Rendered Au9ust 18 ,
1992
IT IS HEREBY RESOLVED and declared that the activities
described by the applicant and connected to the purchase,
packaging and processing of shellfish caught by persons other
than the owner or resident, do not fall under Section 100-31 of
the provisions of the Agricultural-Conservation Zone District.
VOTE OF THE BOARD: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Doyen,
Dinizio and Villa, consisting of all members of the Board.
This resolution was duly adopted.
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GERARD P. GOEHRINGER,~IRMAN
RECEIVED AND FILED BY
THE SOUTHOLD TOWN CLERK
Town Clerk, '7own of 5cr,:L: 2
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCO'VF L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
NOTICE OF HEARINGS
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, pursuant to Section 267 of the Town
Law and the Code of the Town of Southold, the f~llowing matters
will be held for public hearings before the SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
OF APPEALS at the Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road, Southold,
New York 11971, on WEDNESDAy,M3%RCH 25, 1992 con~nencing at the
times specified below:
(1) 7:32 p.m. Appl. No. 4090 - MR~ AND MRS. H. LLOYD K3aNEV.
Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article XXIII, Section
100-239.4 for permission to construct addition to existing
dwelling for increased livable floor area, all of which is to be
situated at less ~han 100 feet from the top of the bluff along
the L.I. Sound. Location of Property: 355 Rosenburgh Road
(Private Road #3), East Marion, NY; County Tax Map Parcel ID
1000021-01-27.1 (inclusive of Lot #s 11, 13.3, 27, 29, & 30).
(2) 7:40 p.m. Appl. No. 4086 - ANTHONY AND HELEN COUTSOUROS.
This is an application requesting a determination confirming or
Southold Town Board of Appeals
recognizing this nonconforming vacant lot as a substandard lot,
under Article III, Section 100-32A, and Article XXIV, Section
100-244 of the Zoning Ordinance. Any future application for a
single-family dwelling is, of course, subject to receiving
building permits, septic and well approvals, etc. as required by
other agencies. The subject lot is located in the R-40
Residential Zone District, and is a described parcel of land
acquired through deed conveyance on 2/30/60 to the present
owner. Location of Property: 1125 (Westerly Side of) Tucker
Lane, Southold, NY; County Tax Map Parcel ID No.
1000-59-10-12. This parcel contains a total lot area of 20,000
sq. ft. and lot width of 100.0 feet.
(3 & 4) 7:45 p.m. Applications by WILLIAM C. GOODALE (Owner)
and RICHARD GOODALE (Tenant) concerh'~ng premises known as 7655
Main'Road, Laurel (near Mattituck), NY, County Tax Map Parcel
No. 1000-122-06-30.1 (previously 30), under:
(a) Appl. No. 4092 for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance,
Article XXIV, Section 100-102, Bulk Area Schedule, for
permission to locate a third principal use on this 3.6,155 sq.
ft. parcel. Third principal use is for the establishment of new
car sales and for the establishment of an accessory use
incidental to the new car sales establishment for the sale
and/or lease of used vehicles. Also, as an alternative, a
Southold Town Board of Appeals
variance is necessary to substitute the proposed vehicle
sales/lease uses for one of the existing residential uses.
The subject premises is located in the "B" General Business Zone
District and a Pre-Certificate of Occupancy indicates that the
premises has been improved and occupied with two principal
buildings, each with one single-family dwelling use.
(b) Appl. No. 4093 - WILLIAM C. GOODALE (Owner) for a
Special Exception under Article X, Section 100-101B(12) for a
permit authorizing: (a) a new car sales estblishment, (b) an
establishment of an accessory use incidental to the proposed new
car sales establishment for the sale and/or lease of used
vehicles, (c) outSide display of vehicles, (d) accessory
office use incidental to the new principal use as a new car
sales establishment.
(5) 8:00 p.m. Appl. No. 4070 - DALCHET CORP., WILLIAM AND
LORRAINE ORLOWSKI. Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article
III, Section 100-32, Bulk Schedule, for approval of: (a)
proposed Lot No. 3 containing less than 80,000 sq. ft. in this
R-80 zone district {the remaining four lots will meet the 80,000
sq. ft. size requirement}, and/or: (b) Article XVIII, Section
100~181C(2) for approval of the total area of 9.04 acres for a
density of five proposed lots in this mixed R-80 and R-40 Zone
District. Location of Property: Westerly side of Harbor Lane,
-3-
Southold Town Board of Appeals
Cutchogue, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-097-6-17 and
1000-103-1-20.5 and 20.6, containing a total area of 9.04 acres.
(6) 8:20 p.m. Appl. No. 3975 - ARTHUR G. CARLSON. This is an
appeal for an interpretation, resulting from the October 11,
1991 Notice of Disapproval from the Building Inspector, as
amended, under Article III, Section 100-31A(2) for approval of a
wholesale shellfish distribution business and declaring that
aquacultural use falls within the purview of agricultural use.
The subject parcel is located in the Agricultural-Conservation
(A-C) Zone District and contains a total area of 40,000 sq.
ft. Location of Property: 1575 Lower Road, Southold, NY;
County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-69-~-~; also known as Lot ~3 of
the Minor Subdivision of Judith T. Terry approved by the
Southold Town Planning Board 10/1/79'.
The Board of Appeals will at said time and place hear any
and all persons or representatives desiring to be heard in the
above matters. Written comments may also be submitted prior to
the conclusion of the subject hearing. Each hearing will not
start before the times designated above. For more information,
please call 765-1809 or visit our office.
Dated: March 5, 1992. BY ORDER OF THE SOUTHOLD
TOWN BOARD OF APPEALS
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
By Linda Kowalski
Copies have been forwarded to the following on or about 3/10/92:
L.I. Traveler-WatcP~an, Inc. (fax transmission)
Times-Review (fax transmission)
Southold Town'Board of Abpeals
Individual Files and Board Members
Town Clerk Bulletin Board
Mr. Robert T. Bayley, A.I.A. (Re: Kanev)
150 Lakeview Terrace, Box 595, East Marion, NY
Demetrios R. Halikias, Esq. (Re: Coutsouros)
Peachtree Executive Park, P.O. Box 209,
Richard F. Lark, Esq. (Re: Dalchet Corp.
P.O. Box 973, Cutchogue, NY 11935
11939
Riverhead 11901
& Orlowski)
William C. Goggins, Esq.' (Re: Carlson)
McNulty - Spiess, 633 East Main St., Box 757,
Mr. Arthur G. Carlson, P.O. Box 673, Southold, NY
Mr. Andre Moraillon (Re': Carlson)
225 Central Park West, Apt. 1107, NY, NY 10024
Mr. Frank Flynn, P.O. Box 144, Southold, NY 11971
Mr.
Riverhead
11971
and Mrs. Theodore Klos, 475 Akerly Pond Lane, Southold 11971
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, .Ir.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
NOTICE OF HEARINGS
SCOTF L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, pursuant to Section 267 of the Town
Law and the Code of the Town of Southold, the following matters
will be held for public hearings before tne $OUTHOLD TOWN BOAR~ -
OF APPEALS at the Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road, Southold,
New York 11971, on THURSDAY, JUNE 4, 1992 commencing at the
times specified below:
1. 7:30 p.m. Appl. No. 4107 - RENEE PELLETIER. This is an
Appeal of the May 14, 1992 Notice of Disapproval issued by the
Building Inspector for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance,
Article XXIV, Section 100-244B for permission to construct a
raised wooden walkway extending from the (easterly) front door
to the existing (southerly) side deck. The proposed walkway is
five feet in width, located with an insufficient front yard
setback. This parcel has a lot area of 13,634 sq. ft. and is
located in the R-40 Zone District. Location of Property: 550
Fasbender Avenue, Peconic; also referred to as combined Lots #1
to 5, inclusive, Map of Bailey Park filed 9/26/32 as No. 1097.
County Tax Map Parcel ID No. 1000-67-6-4.
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2. 7:35 p.m. Appl. No. 4108 - DANIEL AND PAMELA TUTHILL.
Special Exception to the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section
100-30B(16) for permission to establish a "Bed and Breakfast
Use," in conjunction with the single-family residency by the
owner. This use is to be accessory and subordinate to the
principal residential use, is for the rental of not more than
three bedrooms, and is for lodging and serving of breakfast to
no~_mnrm fhmn ~iv~ n~mll~l ~n~ ~rmn~i~nt romm~rs. This parcel__._
contains a lot area of 1.3876 acres in this R-40 Zone District.
Location of Property: 32660 County Route 48 (and the westerly
corner of Carroll Avenue), Peconic, NY; County Tax Map Parcel
No. 1000-74-3-11.
3. 7:40 p.m. Appl. No. 4109 - MARGARET LEAHY. This is an
Appeal of the April 27, 1992 Notice of Disapproval from the
Building Inspector, Article III-A, Section 100-30A.3 for
permission to construct deck addition to existing front porch
with an insufficient front yard setback. This parcel has a
nonconforming lot area of 12,500 sq. ft. and is located in the
R-40 Zone District. Location of Property: 1185 Wiggins Lane,
East Marion, NY; Cleaves Point, Section Three, Lot No. 79;
County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-35-5-8.
4. 7:45 p.m. Appl. No. 4101 - JOHN ROWAN (Property now or
formerly of LUCIEN ARCAS). This is an Appeal under Article
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XXIII, Section 100-239.4 for a deck addition with an
insufficient setback from the northerly property line. This
parcel has a nonconforming lot area of 33,637 sq. ft. in this
R-40 Zone District. Location of Property: 435 Soundview Avenue
Extension, Southold, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-50-2-16.
5. 7:50 p.m. Appl. No. 4111 - JOHI~ G. AND MARIE ELENA BRIM.
Request to Amend Variance to locate accessory tennis court
partly in the front yard and side yard and with an insufficient
setback from nearest wetlands, all as shown on the Amended Plan
prepared May 12, 1992 by Chandler, Palmer & King. The
provisions under which this Amendment is requested are Article
III, Section 100-33, and Article XXIII, Section 100-239.4.
Location of Property:
off East End Avenue),
Combined Lots iA and
Northerly Side of Private Road (extending
Fishers Island, NY; FIDCO Block 18,
lB, having a total land area of 3.56+-
acres in this R-120 Zone District.
6. 8:00 p.m. Appl. No. 4105 - JOH~ J. FIORE. A variance is
requested under Article III, Section 100-33 for permission to
locate accessory swimmingpool structure and fence enclosed in an
area other than the required rear yard. This parcel contains an
area of approximately 28,000 sq. ft. and is located in the R-80
Zone District. Location of Property: 3100 Cedar Beach Road
(and the westerly side of Sunset Way) at Bayview, Southold, NY;
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also known as Cedar Beach Park, combined Lots No. 158 and 159;
County Tax Map Parcel ID No. 1000-91-1-5.
7. 8:05 p.m. Appl. No. 4112 - HENRY AND BETTY HINTZE. A
variance is requested under Article F~XIV, Section 100-244B for
permission to construct deck addition and with a setback at less
than 75 feet from the existing bulkhead, and under Article III,
Section 100-33 for small accessory shed in the front yard. This
parcel contains a total lot area of 14,500+- sq. ft. and is
located in the R-80 Zone District. Location of Property:
Right-of-Way extending off the easterly side of Pipes Neck Road,
Greenport, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-53-1-15.
8. 8:10 p.m. Appl. No. 4106 - LAWRENCE P. AND MARILYN
HIGGINS. A variance is requested under Article XXIII, Section
100-239.4 for permission to expand deck by approximately 480 sq.
ft., extending the existing deck seaward approximately 13 feet,
all of which will be located within 75 feet of the existing
bulkhead. This parcel contains a lot area of approximately
19,200 sq. ft. and is located in the R-40 Zone District.
Location of Property: 830 Lupton Point Road, Mattituck, NY;
County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-115-11-16.
9. 8:15 p.m. Appl. No. 4104 - ANTONIO VANGI. A variance is
requested under Article XXIV, Section 100-244 and Article
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XXIII, Section 100-239.4A for permission to construct addition
to dwelling with a reduced easterly side yard and within 100
feet of the top of the L.I. Sound bluff. This parcels contains
a total lot area of 25,135+- sq. ft. and is located in the R-40
Zone District. Location of Property: 645 Glen Court,
Cutchogue, NY; also referred to as Lot No. 1, Map of Vista Bluff
filed on March 15, 1968 as Map No. 5060; County Tax Map
Design~- 1~00-8~-1-17_
10. 8:20 p.m. Appl. No. 4110 (filed May 19, 1992). THOMAS E.
COFFIN. Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article XXIII,
Section 100-239.4 for permission to construct addition within 75
feet of the existing bulkhead. This parcel contains a total lot
area of 19,985 sq. ft. and is located in the R-40 Zone
District. Location of Property: 305 Gull Pond Lane,
Greenport, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-35-4-5 (now
28.25); also known as Lot 10, Map of Fordham Acres, Section
One.
11. 8:25 p.m. Appl. No. 4098 TONY AND MARIA KOSTOULAS.
(Hearing is reopened and continued from the May 7, 1992
concerning an Appeal for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance,
Article XXIII, Section 100-239.4 for approval of deck extension
(at or near ground level) and fence with an insufficient setback
from the L.I. Sound bluff line. Location of Property: 1035
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Aquaview Avenue, East Marion, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No.
1000-21-2-13. This property is nonconforming as to total lot
area in this R-40 Zone District.
12. 8:30 p.m. Appl. No. 3975 - ARTHUR G. CARLSON. (Continued
from March 25, 1992). This is an Appeal for an Interpretation
resulting from the October 11, 1991 Notice of Disapproval from
the--B ....... = T ..... ~ ...... ~ ,,~ Article III. Sec~ix~n
100-31A(2) for approval of a wholesale shellfish distribution
business and declaring that the aquacultural use falls within
the purview of the agricultural use. The subject parcel is
located in the Agricultural-Conservation (A-C) Zone District and
contains a total area of 40,000 sq. ft. Location of Property:
1575 Lower Road, Southold, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No.
1000-69-5-13.2; also known as Lot #3 of the Minor Subdivision
of Judith T. Terry approved by the Southold Town Planning Board
10/1/79.
The Board of Appeals will at said time and place hear any
and all persons or representatives desiring to be heard in the
above matters. Written comments may also be submitted prior to
the conclusion of the subject hearing. Each hearing will not
start before the times designated above. For more information,
please call 765-1809.
Dated: May 18, 1992.
BY ORDER OF THE SOUTHOLD
TOWN BOARD OF APPEALS
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
By Linda Kowalski
FORM NO. 3
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
BUILDING DEPARTMENT
TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE
SOUTHOLD, N.Y.
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FORM NO. 1
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BUILDING DEPARTMENT
TOWN HALL
SOUTHOLD, N.Y. 11971
TEL.: 765-1803
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APPLICATION FOR BUILDING PERMIT
INSTRUCTIONS
a. This application must be completely filled in by Wpewriter or in ink and submitted to the Building Inspector, with 3
sets of plans, accurate plot plan to scale. Fee according to schedule.
b. Plot plan showing location of lot and of buildings on premises, relationship to adjoining premises or public streets
or areas, and giving a detailed description of layout of property must be drawn on the diagram which is part of this appli-
cation.
c. The work covered by this application may not be commenced before issuance of Building Permit.
d. Upon approval of this application, the Building Inspector will issued a Building Permit to the applicant. Such permit
shall be kept on the premises available for inspection throughout the work.
e. No building shall be occupied or used in whole or in part for any purpose whatever until a Certificate of Occupancy
shall have been granted by the Building Inspector.
APELICATION IS HEREBY MADE to the Building Department for the issuance of a Building Permit pursuant to the
Building Zone Ordinance of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, and other applicable Laws, Ordinances or
Regulations, for the construction of buildings, additions or alterations, or for removal or demolition, as herein described.
The applicant agrees to comply with all applicable laws, ordinances, building code, housing code, and regulations, and to
admit authorized inspectors on premises and in building for necessary inspectionsf'~ ~ .//)
..........
(Sigr~ature of applicant, or name, if a c'o~I~o'rt;tlcJn)
...... , ,/c/.
.... ..... ....
(Mailing address of applicant) ,
State whether applicant is owner, lessee, agent, mrchitect, engineer, general contractor, electrician, plumber or builder.
.... ~..~..W..~r:.. .................................................................................
Name of owner of premises ~Y'.¢~?.g ...... & ~. l.~(..-~.... ..........................................
(as on the tax roll or latest deed)
If applicant is a corporation, signature of duly authorized officer.
(Name and title of corporate officer)
Builder s License No ..........................
Plumber's License No .........................
Electr cian's License No ............. :. ........
Other Trade's License No ......................
I. Location of land on which proposed work will be done ............ '
........ .................
House Num bet Street Hamlet
County Tax Map No. 1000 Section . ~d'~ .~)O ...... Block .~..~/. ~.~. ........ Lot...~/.~. ~,. D~.~) ....
Subdivision ..................................... Filed Map No ............... Lot ...............
(Name)
2. State existing use and occupancy of premises and intended use and occupancy of proposed construction:
a. Existing use and occupancy .....
b' Intended use and occupancy
3. Nature of work (check which applicable): New Building .. ~.'. .... Addition ..... .' ...." .... Alte~'a"-'"tion
4. Estimate'd Cost ..... ,~.t ........................... Fee ......................... :. ~ ......
(to be paid on filing this appli~*a~ion
5. If dwelling, number of dwelling units ............... Number of dwelling units on each floor ..... ' .......
If garage, number of cars ..; ................ . ..................................... .............
6. If business, cominercial or mixed occupancy, specify nature and extent of each type of use 3'f?/~; ~.¥d..].~-~,q...e.e.e~._~' . . .
7. Dimensions of existing structures, if any: Front ............... Rear .............. Depth ...............
Height ............... Number of Stories ....................................
Dimensions of same structure with alterations or additions: Front ................. Rear· .................... ..
_D.epth .. ..................... Height ........ · .............. Number of Stories ........ ' ...........
Dimensions of entire new construction. Front q-~. / o__r Lc ~ / ~, ., ' H :? > ........
· / · . .... ~ .......... ,sca . · · t ............ ~epm .. ~ >,:. .........
Height ....~O. · ./' .... Nt~mber of Stones . . [ .
Sizeoflot Front ~(.ff f¢~.,[ ~('2.-X'7'. ' Rea'r ./:'~'/' '~' ............ ~,.-~;.--~/~.2_3.> .............
· . . · ' ............. ~ ~ .............. l,t._~llr . .u,-o~¢~-.
Date of Purchase ~6~ ~J~: ,/q.~t2 X*~me of F " [_g.t¢ _~_._ .. ~, .............
· . ': 7 - r~~- ................. ,5~ 'ormer ~Jwner .. ~,.taq,-t:~... t .C~ ./'.'-/
Zone or use &strict in which premises are situated... ~-'_'_~..~-.... / 7' ............
Does proposed construction violate any zoning law, ordinance or regulation: ...; ............ ................
Will lot be regraded ...... b"/~ .................. Will excess fill be removed from premises: Yes No
~ame of~ .Ow~n.e.r o.f premises k~-c.3t:/,lt~' (flair. ~ ....Address..~4~2... ,/~dt .... Phone No. ~.'5.5-f~. ~.O...
amc oi Arcmrecr ............... Address .......... Phone No ...............
Name of Contractor .......................... Address ................... Phone No ........... ../...
15.Is this property located within 300 feet of a tidal wetland? *YES ....
tlf yes, $outhold Town Trustees Permit may be required. PLOT DIAGRAM
Locate clearly and distinctly all buildings, whether existing or proposed, and. indicate all set-back dimensions from
property lines. Give street and block number or ~Tcription according to deed, and show street names and indicate whether
interior or corner lot.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
STATE OF NEW YORK,
COUNTY OF ................. S.S
named(Name, of individual signing contract)
above
being duly sworn, deposes and says that he is the applicant
Notary Public ...... ~.~....~...~..(6~..,. ...... County
He is the .........................................................................................
(Contractor, agent, corporate officer, etc.)
of said OWner or owners, and is duly authorized to perform or have performed the said work and to make and file this
application; that all statements contained in this application are true to the best of his knowledge and belief; and that the
work will be performed in the manner set forth in the application filed therewith.
Sworn to before me this
· . .... day ............ ,19
OTOWN OF SOUTHOLD, NEW YOI
.~,PPEAL FROM DECISION OF BUILDING INSPECTOR APPEAL NO.
NOV - 6 i991
DATE Dc.tDber..25.,..1991
TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, TOWN OF
1, (~w~...A~t, hu.r..£a.r.l.son ................................... o~ ...1.5. Z~...L..o.w.e..r....R..o.a..d. ............................................
Nome of Appellant Street and Number
S0uthold New York
............................ HEREBY APPEAL TO
Municipality State
THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS PROM THE DECISION OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR ON
APPLICATION FOR PERMIT NO .................................... DATED ...~.0.~..!~'.z..~'.~J.~'. ...................
WHEREBY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DENIED TO
(X)
( )
Name o{ Applicant for permit
of 1575 Lower Road, Southold, ~e.~ YQ.r. lf
Street and Number Municipality State
PERMIT TO USE
PERMIT FOR OCCUPANCY
( )
LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY ...1.~.ZfL.Lo.~en..RQ~,....S.0.~t~hO.I.cL...N..¢.~...Y.Q.r..If ............................
Street /Hamle~ / Use District on Zoning Map
District 1000 Section 69 Block 5 Lot 137.~Current Owner Arthur Carlson
Lot No. Prior Owner __J~Ld._ith Terry
Map No. ].? .
2. PROVISION (S) OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE APPEALED (Indicate the Article Section,
secHon and Paragraph of the Zoning Orclinonce by number. Do not quote the Ordinance)
Article III Section 100-31- A (2)
Sub-
(X
3 TYPE OF APPEAL Appeal is made herewith for (please check appropriate box)
( A VARIANCE to the Zoning Ordinance or Zoning Map
( A VARIANCE due to lock of access (State of New York Town Law Chap. 62 Cons. Laws
Art. 16 Sec. 280A Subsection 3
Interpretation of above zoning ordinance
~REVIOUS APPEAL A previous appeal (has) (has not) been made with respect to this decision
of the Building Inspector or with respect to this property.
Such ~ppeal was ( ) request for a special perrnil
( ) request for a variance
an amendment, to , 3975 Dated .... /~ugu~.t..2~,..Zg,9.Q ....................................
crn~- ~- n~ ~n- Appea~ No ...........
REASON FOR APPEAL
( ) A Variance ~o Section 280A Subsection 3
( ) A Variance rD the Zoning Ordinance
(~) Amended Application to appeal #3975 for an interpretation
(Continue on other side)
~.EASC, N FC,~ ,,\PPE..\L
1 S~RICT APPLICATION OF THE ORDINANCE wouid produce practical diHicuitie: o? unneces-.
scrv HARDSHIP because strict enforcement of the Southold Town Code would effectively
Put us out of business and indirectly adversely affect many local $outhold Town
Fisherman. Tile Southold Town Code does not adequitly protect the fisherman of our
Town. Accordingly, we ask that the code treat residents engaged in the aquacultural
busin'ess and the agricultural business equally.
We are engaged in the business of packaging and distribution of locally produced
aquatic products; just as farmers are engaged in the business of packaging and
distribution of vegetables, and as wineries are engaged in the business of pack-
againg and distribution of wine.
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK ) AUTHUR CARLSON
~.,,~...~7~ ~'/" day oL...O, ctol~er. .......... '.] ........................... 19 91
Sworn to this .......................................... :"
M. Bldg. '~ Foundation Bath
Extension /$-y~,~. -.-,~(~ l ~ ~ ~ Ba~ment ~ Floors
Exte~, ~/,[~ /~b~ Ext. Walls ~ ~ ~ ~e Interi°r Finish
Extension ~/~=/~& ~ ~/J ~5~ ~ FirePlace ~ Heat
Porch Pool A~ic
~ ~= /o~ /~ /~/~ Patio Rooms l~ Floor
Breezeway Driv~ay Rooms 2nd Floor
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD PROPERTY RECORD CARD
'----N-ROWE ' '
STREET VILLAGE DIST. SUB. LOT;~,,~
FOYER OWNER N E ACR.
S W CODE DATE OF CONSTRUCTION
~ND IMP. TOTAL DATE R~RKS - ' ,' "/
~llable FRONTAGE ON WATER -,
W~la~ FRONTAGE ON ROAD
M~ DEPTH
H~ PI~ BULKH~D
To~l
M. B!dg:~ '~ Foundation - Bath /
Extension /5'~' ;~ 5/-- = ,,,~ (~ ~ _) ~ J~ ~ ~2 ~ Segment L~ p Floors
Ex¥~s~, ?~15~ /~6~ Ext- Walls ~ ~ t ~, ~'~ Interior Finish ~.
Extension ~/~=/~, ~/~ j j~ ~ FirePlace ~ Heat
Porch Pool A~ic
~ ~= /o~ /~ /~/~ Patio Rooms l~ Floor
Breezeway Driv~ay Rooms 2nd Floor
o.B. ~/~ ~ /~ ~ .~ ,~> ~ ~.~ ~/~
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard R Goehringer, Chairman
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Richard C. Wilton
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
April 9, 1993
SCOTTL. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hail, 53095 Main Road
PO. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
Mr. Andre Moraillon
375 Akerly Pond Lane
Southold, NY 11971
Re: Your Letter Concerning Enforcement
Appeal No. 3975 - Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. Mbraillon:
Our office is in receipt of your letter concerning the
above determination and its enforcement. Enforcement questions
should be addressed to the enforcing agency of the Town. The
Board of Appeals is not permitted by law to enforce its own
determinations.
Accordingly, your letter is being returned to you in order
that you may address the enforcing agency and/or Town Attorney's
Office directly.
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CC:
Town Attorney's Office
Building Department (Attn:
Very truly_yours,
· GERARD P. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
V. Lessard)
Andre Moraillon
375 Akerly Pond Lane
Southold, NY 11971
Gerard Goehringer
Chairman
Board of Appeals
Town of Southold
53095 Main Road
Southold, NY 11971
April 5th, 1993
Dear Mr. Goehrin§er,
My neighbor Ted Klos and I have been informed by Coun-
cilman Joseph Lizewski that the action of the Board,
rendered August 18, 1992, regarding Appeal Applica-
tion no. 3975 of Arthur G. Carlson, is to go into ef-
fect 8 months after its date of rendering.
April 18th, 1993 will be the last day of the eighth
month elapsed since that renderin§.
I sincerely hope that the resolution concerning
Carlson's illegal activities on Lower Road, and
signed by yourself,will be properly enforced at
that time.-
Very truly yours,
cc: Serge Doyen Jr.
James Dinizio Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Councilman Lizewski
.aPPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Serge Doyen, jn
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Richard C. Wilton
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
April 9, 1993
SCOTTL. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
Mr. Andre Moraillon
375 Akerly Pond Lane
Southold, NY 11971
Re: Your Letter Concerning Enforcement
Appeal No. 3975 - Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. M'oraillon:
Our office is in receipt of your letter concerning the
above determination and its enforcement. Enforcement questions
should be addressed to the enforcing agency of the Town. The
Board of Appeals is not permitted by law to enforce its own
determinations.
Accordingly, your letter is being returned to you in order
that you may address the enforcing agency and/or Town Attorney's
Office directly.
Very truly yours,
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CC:
Town Attorney's Office
Building Department (Attn:
GERARD p. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
V. Lessard)
*JOHN R, MCNUL.TY
.JAMES SPI£SS
WILLIAM C. GOGGINS
HcNULTY - SPIESS
September 27, 1993
SEP 2 8 1~3
Mr. Thomas Wickham
Councilman Town of Southold
53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Re: Southold Town Code Amendment; Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. Wickham:
As of this date, I still have not received a notice for the next meeting of the
Zoning and Planning Committee. We have been waiting since April 27, 1993 for
you to schedule same. Kindly advise me of the next meeting and your thoughts
as to how you think this matter should proceed.
If I can be of assistance to you, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Very truly yours,
WCG/cag
CCi
Mr. Scott L. Harris
Mr. Raymond Edwards
Mr. Joseph Lizewski
Mr. George Penny, IV
Ms. Alice J. Hussie
Mr. Gerard C. Goehringer
Mr. James DiNizio
Mr. Robert A. Villa
Mr. Serge Doyen, Jr.
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SOUTHOLD PLANNING BOARD 16 APRIL 6, 1992
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: Board to approve the March 16, 1992 minutes.
Mr. Latham: So moved.
Mr. Ward: Second.
Mr. Orlowski: Motion made and seconded. Any questions on the
motion? All those in favor?
Ayes: Mr. Ward, Mr. Latham, Mr. McDonald,
Mr. Edwards, Mr. Orlowski.
Mr. Orlowski: Opposed? So ordered.
Mr. Orlowski: I believe Mr. Carlson is here. Is Mrs. Sinko
here too?
Mr. Carlson: No, she said she would be here but I guess
something happened. I just would like to find something out.
She owns the property, I would just like to find out something
about leasing the property. When I checked on it I was told we
need to waiver a site plan approval. She has a site plan for
changes. She went for a waiver of site plan approval and you
guys gave her permission to go back and use it like it was being
used as a ice cream store but denied a waiver for use as a
vegetable and shellfish retail store. I was wondering if you
can tell me which way I can go from here? I mean, I am trying
to find the right place and the right zone to do as I should be
doing and I thought that was an ideal location with reasonable
rent. I don't know what her plans are, I understand that the
site plan she put in for changes is going to expire in two
months. If that expires, what happens at that point? Does that
revert back to what it was automatically or do we still have to
change the use?
Mr. Orlowski: She would have to come in. I don't know if she
plans on doing that. What is that about three years?
Ms. Spiro: Three years, right.
Mr. Orlowski: So she can come in and ask for another extension.
Mr. Carlson: Well, you agreed to let her use it as an ice cream
store.
Mr. McDonald: You were going to go in in place of the ice cream
store?
SOUTHOLD PLANNING BOARD i7 APRIL 6, 1992
Mr. Carlson: No, she had somebody talking to her that wanted to
re-open an ice cream store there and at the same time she had me
talking to her about opening a retail store. ~here was an
antique store and an ice cream store.
Mr. McDonald: You would go into the antique area where the
antiques were?
Mr. Carlson: No, I wanted to go into the front place where the
ice cream store was. She has someone else that wanted to rent
the ice cream store and they were going to go into the antique
place.
Mr. Orlowski: She never told us that.
Mr. Carlson: I think she was afraid of having problems with the
site plan approval she had. I came down and asked for a copy of
the letter and it said that you thought it was too intense a
use. Too intense a use as a ice cream and what I would like to
use it for. Would it be O.K. to use it for one or the other but
not for both? What are the feelings on it?
Mr. McDonald: We were under the impression that the ice cream
store was going to go back in to right where the ice cream was.
Mr. Carlson: Oh, I see.
Mr. McDonald: Nobody said that the ice cream was going to move
to the other side at all and this is news.
Mr. Carlson: I didn't care, I told her I would take either
one. She wanted a hundred dollars more for the bigger one in
the back side then the one in the front. I said the small one
would be fine. I was just going to sell just some limited local
vegetables and lobsters and clams and just local produce and
shellfish basically and I told her the small one would be just
fine and it was a hundred dollars less a month. I said I would
be happy to take that one. I understand now that the person who
is talking about opening an ice cream store has decided he is
not going to or has backed out or something.
Mr. McDonald: To do what you want to do, do you need anything
from the Health Department at all?
Mr. Carlson: No, all I need is a permit from the Department of
Agriculture. I am not going to have any prepared foods and I'm
not going to do anything on the premises except sell live
shellfish or fresh vegetables.
Mr. Ward: When did we deny the site plan waiver?
Ms. Spiro: We have the file over there.
Mr. Ward: They asked for a waiver.
SOUTHOLD PLANNING BOARD 18 APRIL 6, 1992
Mr. McDonald: We granted a waiver for the ice cream store.
Mr. Orlowski: Then we received another letter for another
waiver.
Mr. Ward: I think our position at the time was that the
building was there and is being used and if it were an expansion
of the building we would insist upon a site plan. I think this
is a case of change of use and it's retail so what is the
difference?
Mr. Orlowski: Does she know if the ice cream is coming or not?
It would make it a lot more simplified.
Mr. Carlson: I'm a little baffled by the whole thing myself but
the antique dealer was discussing whether they were going to
stay and I guess they were going to move out and then both
places became available and she had two of us talking in the
meantime about the one and then she decided both would be ·
available so maybe she could put both in there.
Mr. Orlowski: As far as we know, there are two things going to
be in there. Ice cream store and the antique store.
Mr. McDonald: They indicated they had another ice cream store
to go in there. We had no notion.
Mr. Ward: Maybe you could get her to clean it up and give us a
letter stating what use is going on in what space so,we have it
in the record as to what she is proposing to do there.
Mr. Orlowski: The way we read it in the record now is that this
is the third thing going in there.
Mr. Carlson: I didn't want to get involved in it, I just wanted
to lease it. I checked to make sure I wasn't going to have a
problem if I went in there and found out she needed a waiver of
site plan approval. I told her that and I thought she was
taking care of it.
Mr. Orlowski: just get her to tell us what she is doing in
there.
Mr. Carlson: O.K., I'll try and get it straightened out with
her. If there are only going to be two places in there and
whether it is going to me and the antique store or whether it is
me and the ice cream store. Do you think that would be
acceptable?
Mr. McDonald: The only thing I worry about at all there is the
parking. Everybody is going to be all over the road. That is
the only thing that scares me up on the hill but other than that
the, I mean, the uses are there already so there is no big deal.
SOU~"HOLD PLANNING BOARD 19 APRIL 6, 1992
Mr. Carlson: Well, there seems like there is plenty of parking
there.
Mr. McDonald: There is. There is not problem with the parking
it is just that everyone has the tendency to park along the
road.
Everyone talking.
Mr. Orlowski: Get her to send us a letter with her intent.
Mr. Carlson: She might still be having a problem finding out
whether or not the antique store is going in there.
Mr. Orlowski: Well, it would make it a lot easier for us to
make a decision. If it is going to be three we are going to
have a problem.
Mr. Carlson: No, it is only suppose to be two is what she told
me. If we get that cleared up it will be alright?
Mr. Orlowski: Yes.
Mr. Orlowsk: O.K., one other item. Empire Service Station
Garrett Strang: This is Mr. Ilgin the owner of the station. We
are in a position where we are going to make a formal
application to the Board for the site plan action. We did
receive a variance but in an amended state just recently. In
fact, we haven't received the actual resolution in written
format yet. I have a pretty good idea of what they approved and
it sort of changes the complexion of things a little bit in what
we are doing here so we just wanted to review this with the
Board before we make our final application so we are all aware
of what is going on.
In a nut shell, the ZBA reduced the amount of square
footage that can be used as the convenience store use to 600
square feet. They further put a condition in the resolution
that the sole entrance to this convenience store will be on the
east side of the building. It will not be accessible from the
gasoline service side of the building. It will strictly be
accessible from the east side of the building. It brings us
into two particular situations. One, that the reduction in the
size of the square footage is now going to reduce the amount of
parking that is requisite so it will probably be reducing by
several spaces the parking on the east side that was geared for
the store use. Along the same lines given the fact that the
entrance to this use is solely from the east side, well
obviously developing that east side with the necessary parking,
curbing and landscaping.
,JOHN R. [4cNULTY
,JAMES SPIESS
WILLIAH C. GOGGIN$
McNULTY - SPIESS
June 30, 1993
Mr. ThomasWickham
CounselmanTownofSouthold
53095MainRoad
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York l1971
Re: Southold Town Code Amendment; Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. Wickham:
As of this date, I have not received a notice for the next scheduled meeting of
the Zoning and Planning Committee. Kindly advise me of the next scheduled
meeting and your thoughts as how you think this matter should proceed.
If I can be of any assistance to you, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Very truly yours,
WCO/¢ag
cc: Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Ms.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Scott L. Harris
Raymond Edwards
Joseph Lizewski
George Penny, IV
Alice J. Hussie
Gerard C. Goehrlnger/
James DtNizlo
Robert A. Villa
Serge Doyen, Jr.
Application of ARTHU~ G. CARLSON
Decision Rendered August 18 , 1992
IT IS HEREBY RESOLVED and declared that the activities
described by the applicant and connected to the purchase,
packaging and processing of shellfish caught by persons other
than the owner or resident, do not fall under Section 100-31 of
the provisions of the Agricultural-Conservation Zone District.
VOTE OF THE BOARD: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Doyen,
Dinizio and Villa, consisting of all members of the Board.
This resolution was duly adopted.
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GERARD P. GOEHI~INGER,~HAIRMAN
~IOHN R. b4CNULTY
~IA~ ES SPIESS
April 21, 1993
EDWARD D, BURKE
Mr. Geard P. Goehringer
Chariman of the Zoning Board of Appeals
53095 Main Road
Southold, New York 11971
Re: Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. Goehringer:
Please be informed that the Zoning and Planning Committee for the
Town of Southold is scheduled to meet on Tuesday, April 27, 1993
at 7:30 pm. Your input in this matter would be greatly appreciated
and we respectfully request that you attend the meeting.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
~i~A~M C. GO~INS
WCG/cag
cc: Arthur G. Carlson
McNULTY - SPIESS
ATTORNEYS & COUNSELORS AT LAW
WILLIAM C. GOGGINS
April 15, 1993
Harvey A. Arnoff, Esq.
Office of the Town Attorney
53095 Main Road
Southold, New York 11971
Re: Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. Arnoff.'
In response to your letter dated April 13, 1993, If the town wants to proceed
against Mr. Carlson for whatever reason, it may do so without threatening same.
Very truly yours,
WILLIAM C. GOO~I~q>S~
WCG/cag
cc: Arthur Carlson
Supervisor Scott Harris
Zoning Board of Appeals v/'
HARVEY A. ARNOFF
Town Auorney
MAITHEW G. KIERNAN
Assistant Town Attorney
OFFICE OF THE TOWN ATTORNEY
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
April 13, 1993
SCO'VF L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
William C. Gogglns, Esq.
McNulty-Spiess
633 East main Street
P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, NY 11901-2556
Re: Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. Goggins:
As I am sure you are aware, April 18, 1993 is a few days away. Mr.
Carlson has no application before any body in this Town and no appeal
pending. In the event that he does not wish to discontinue the operation, we
shall take whatever enforcement steps are necessary to bring Mr. Carlson in
compliance.
I trust no further' communication would be necessary and that I will
receive some response from you prior to the above date.
HAA:mls
cc: Zoning Board of Appeals
H a rr,v'e'~y A .~Ar~r~f f
To~,, Attorney
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Richard C. Wilton
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEAI.~
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
April 9, 1993
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
Mr. Andre Moraillon
375 Akerly Pond Lane
Southold, NY 11971
Re: Your Letter Concerning Enforcement
Appeal No. 3975 - Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. Moraillon:
our office is in receipt of your letter concerning the
above determination and its enforcement. Enforcement questions
should be addressed to the enforcing agency of the Town. The
Board of Appeals is not permitted by law to enforce its own
determinations.
Accordingly, your letter is being returned to you in order
that you may address the enforcing agency and/or Town Attorney's
Office directly.
Very truly yours,
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
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cc: Town Attorney's Office
Building Department (Attn: V. Lessard)
Andre Moraillon
375 Akerly Pond Lane
Southold, NY 11971
Gerard Goehringer
Chairman
Board of Appeals
Town of Southold
53095 Main Road
Southold, NY 11971
April 5th, 1993
Dear Mr. Goehrin§er,
My nei§hbor Ted Klos and I have been informed by Coun-
cilman Joseph Lizewski that the action of the Board,
rendered August 18, 1992, re§arding Appeal Applica-
tion no. 3975 of Arthur G. Carlson, is to go into ef-
fect 8 months after its date of rendering.
April 18th, 1993 will be the last day of the eighth
month elapsed since that rendering.
I sincerely hope that the resolution concerning
Carlson's illegal activities on Lower Road, and
signed by yourself, will be properly enforced at
that time.
Very truly yours,
cc:
Serge Doyen Jr.
James Dinizio Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Councilman Lizewski
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
August 19, 1992
William C. Goggins, Esq.
McNulty & Spiess
633 East Main Street
P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, NY 11901
Re: Appl. No. 3975 - Interpretation (Carlson Property)
Dear Mr. Goggins:
With reference to the above appeal for an interpretation, please
find attached a copy of the board's determination rendered
August 18, 1992.
Very truly yours,
Copies of Decision to:
Building Department, Attn:
Mr. Arthur G. Carlson
Mr. Andre Moraillon
Linda Kowalski
Mr. Lessard
To: ?,outhold Town Board of ~ ' ~
~.onzn~ Appeals
From: F. M. Flynn
Re: Application for Variances Arthur G. Carlson (District
1000, oectzon 69, Block 5, Lot
Date: Uovember ~, 1990
Here, again, we are eonfontedwith yet another transparent
attempt to rezone via variances.
May I remind you that Chapter 10~, of the Town Code IZonins)
states, as one of its Purposes,: The gradual elimination of
#onconforming uses." This is hardly consistent with their
creation, proliferation, expansion or ultimate approval by
this B~ard
Suject lot is one acre in area in an A-C (two acre)
District. It is, by Town Code definition, a nononformi~j lot.
With respe% to use~ the applicant seeks a veritable melange of
uses classified by him as maricultural, to wit:
Delivery nd storage of seafood.
2) Packaging
~) Freezing and/or preparation of raw or cooked seafood (brocessing).
4) Shipping
5) Sa]es for off-premises consunption.
None of these uses is ?ermitted in an A-C District.
~,~ariculture is a permitted use in ~II Districts only, with
a two acre minimum lot size. Specifically, fish processin~
is permitted only as a Seecial Exception as are fish roarkets.
Each such use requires a plot of two acres. There is also
the question of the other uses cited as requireing industrial
or business zoning with their attendant plot minimums.
In short the applicant proposes to locate a lon~ list of nonconfor~nins
uses, each with its individual plot size requirements, on a
one acre parcel.
Itshould be noted that the Town Code specifically prohibits
uses emitting noxious odors in all districts.
With respect to the above, there is the possibility, even,
perhaps, the probability that, were these variances granted,
the subject property would be operated in conjunction with
lot 13.~ in the same bloc!<.
Lot 13.4 is also a nonconformi~ lot on which a nonconforrnin?;
and, oossibty illegal, use is c~nducted ~ , 4 .
· ~leicnbors already complamn
about noxious odors emanatnz from this lot.
I ~ight add that lot 13.2 abuts at least four residences.
Uhat is sought here are multiple rezonin~s far beyond the
strict letter of the regulations and the spirit of the Zoning
Chapter of the Town Code.
The spirit of the chapter is clearly expressed by the Town Board's
limiting these uses to ~[II Districts· The further intent,
or spirit, is further expressed in Section 100-120 of the Town
Code which states that ~[II use is intended to provide: "a
waterfont location for a wide range of water-dependent and
water-related uses which require or benefit from direct access
to or location in marine or tidal waters and which, in general,
arelocated on major waterways~ open bayfronts or the LOnC
Island Sound."
So~uch for MII uses.
By law, in seekin~ a variance, the burOen of proof is on the
applicant.
He must submit, for an area variance, "dollars and cents" proof
that his property is virtually valueless as zoned. This is
hardly the case in view of the permitted residential use and
the abuttinS residential use.
To grant an area variance, the Board is enjoined by t~e courts,
to consider:
1) How substantial the variance is relative to the requirement.
2) Uhet~er substantial chan~e ~,;ill be produced in the character
of the neighborhood.
3) Uhether the difficulty can be obviated by so~ae method feasible
for the applicant to pursue other than a variance.
4) Uhether, in view
arose, the interest
the variance.
of the manner in which the difficulty
of justice will be served by allowing
It ms sm~n~mcant taa~ throu~out var~_ance ms used in the
singular· It is obvious that the ~ourts did not contemplate
a series of variances, the scope of which is tantamount to
rezonin~s.
I submit that the only difficulty here arises from the outrageous
demands of the applicant and that such "diificulty" can be
obviated by uti!izinC the property for a per~itted use.
The substantiality of the variances sought is obvious in view
of their variety, intensity and obno×ious nature, as well
as the nonconformin~ size of the property.
The change in the character of the neighborhood w~ch the proposed
changes would bring about should be apparent to all but the
most prejudiced.
Justice involves justice to all including the n~ghbors rights
to the "quiet enjoyment" of their properties ~ incorporated
in their "Bundle of Rights" and whose properties would be
devalued for the applicant's profit. T~ese variances would
effectively constitute spot zoning.
Two of the principal uses sought require Soecial. ~mxce tlons, p '
Uith respect to Special Exceptions, the Town Code states (in
part) that the ZBA must find and determine:
That the proposed use will not prevent the orderly and reasonable
use of adjacent properties or of properties in adjacent use
districts.
That the safety the health, the welfare, the comfort, the convenience
or the orde~ of the town will not be adversely affected by
~the proposed use and its location.
That the use will be in harmony with and promote the general
purposes and intent of this chapter. (Chapter 100 Zoning)
That the use will be compatible with its surroundings and
with the character of the neighborhood and of the community
in general particulaly with regard tovisibility , scale and
overall appearance.
Section 100 -264 of the Town Code recites matters to be considerered
by this Board in grantin~ Special Exceptions. It is too lengthy
to quote here verbatim, but I co~mend its study to anyone
mnter~te~ ~n th~ outcome of this proceeding. In ~enera~ factors
to be con~idere~ are: the character of the district: the cons~vation
of proper~y values~ effects of traffic~ the availability of ~
water and facilities f~the treatment of sewage and other
effluents: the question of the emission of obnoxious gases
odors, etc.~ whether the plot size is sufficient and appropriate
for the uses~ whether the proposed site is particularly suitable
for the uses~ whether there is risk of pollution of ground
or suface waters~etc.
Here again these considerations envisage only a sins]~use
~a~he manifold variances sousht any adverse effects are
obviously intensified.
In conclusion, ther~is absolutely no justifiable basis on
which to ~nt these variances and, in the interest of justice
and to pre~ent further waste of the taxpayer's money, I call
for a summary dismissal of this application.
(3)
To Whom
We,
It May Concern:
5-21-91
the undersigned r~g~ibor~s of. A=tbu~ qa~lson~-living
on Lower Road or Ackerly Pond Lane, Southold, do hearby state
that there have nog ~en any loud ~oises or ndxiou$~qd~rs
eman~.,ting from his property in recent monthJ.
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
SOUTHOLD TOWN HALL
SOUTHOLD, NY. 11971
lO/O8/9o
Dear Sirs,
As per your request I am outlining below the activities
that are done on my premises at 1575 Lower Road.
Local lobstermen bring us their daily catch, which is then
sorted and stored in a walk-in cooler for delivery later that
day or the next morning. Most of these lobsters are sold and
delivered out of town to various customers.
Depending on availability of bay scallops, local baymen
bring us their catches either as meat or in the shell. The shell
stock is placed on benches in our New York State Dept. of Envir
-omental Conservation inspected and approved shop to be shucked.
We call in local men and women to do this piece work.
Baymen also bring us their catches of conch. We shuck these
in another building, which is licensed and regularly inspected
by the New York State Dept. of Agriculture. They are then pack
-aged and stored in a freezer. They are also sold out of town.
Both shops are thoroughly cleaned and disinfected each day,
As you can see we are taking our local baymen's catches to
new markets and returning the money to Southold town. We have the
only conch shucking shop in town and one of the few remaining
scallop facilities. By having these facilities, we are helping
to support Southold families.
We cordially invite your members
will await your reply.
to a pr~e-arranged tour and
Sincerely,
Arthur~G. Carlson ~
R~$OLUTION NO. - 198~; ADOPTING LOCAL LAW
NO. YEAR 1988, A LOCAL LAW TO PROTECT
RIGHT TO FISH WITHIN THE COUNTY OF SUFFOLK
W~EREAS, there ~s duly presented and introduced to this Count5~
Legislature at a regular meeting held on , 1988, a proposed
entitled, #A LOCAL LAW TO PROTECT RIGHT TO FISt! WITHIN TI{E COUNTY O~ SUFFOLK",
said local law in final form is the same as when presentsd and introduced; ~ow,
therefore, be it
RESOLVED, that said local law be enacted in form as follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. YEAR 1988, ~UFFOLK cOUNTY, NEW YORK
A LOCAL LAW TO PROTECT RIGHT TO FIS}! WITHIN THE cOUNTY OF SUFF
BE ~T ENACTED BY THE COUNTY LEGISLATURE OF THE COUNTY OF SUFFOLK
follows:
e~cti0~ 1~. Legislative I~tent
It is the declared policy of the County of Suffolk to conserve, protec
and encouragm t~e u~e of its fishing resources fo~ the produc%ion and sale
food and other related products. This Legislature finds that approximately 90
of the fish processing l~ performed outside of the County of Suffolk.
Legislature also find~ that when fishing activities e~end into newly develope
areas, such fishin~ process operations often become the s~bject of nuisanc
suits. As s ~esult, commercial fish processing opera~ions are sometimes force
to cease operations while ~any others are ~iscoura~ed from mak~n~ investments
improvements.
This ~gislature further finds that whatever nuisance may be caused
others by such uses and aotivities so conducted is mgre than offset by th
benefits from fishing and ~ish processing to the County's economy and way o
life and to society in ge~eral from the economid and social benefits derive
from maintaining a viable fishing iBdustry on Long Island.
Therefore, the purpose of this law is to reduce ~he loss to the County o
its fishing resources by limiting the circumstances under which fishing and
Urocessing may be deemed to be a nuisance.
Section 2. D~finitions
1.) 'Fish" shall mean all varieties of the super-class ?isled, inoludl~
all shellfish.
9hellfish.
"Food fish' shall mean all species of edible fish, including
3.) "Fishing" shall mean the taking, killing, netting, capturing c
withdrawal of fish or food fimh from the waters of thim County by any mean~
including every attempt to take and every act of assistance to any other pers~
in taking or attempting to take fish.
Notwithstanding day other provision of this law, fi=hing and fi~
processing actlv~ties conducted with&n the County of SU~ol~, if consistent ~i'
~Ound fighlng practices and established prior to surrounding non-flshl[
activities, shall be deemed to be reasonable and shall not constitute a publ.
nuisance unless the activity has a s~b~tantially adverse effect on the publ~
health and safety. NO fishing or fish processing operation, resulting fr.
changed conditions in, adjacent to, or surrounding the fishing o~ fi!
processlng operation, shall be the subject of a public nuisance action if su
fishing or fish processing operation~ has been in existence for one (1) year ~
more p~tor to the changed condition and has not been declared to be a nuisan
by a pertinent State or mu~%icipal'co~mission, local health office, local boa:
of health, or court of competent jurisdiction at the time that such opera~
com~need.
i' ¢'¢~' 9! ;0=46 LE<:.FPEr' LE
'S~,~t~on 4. Certain ,Actions Not Af~ect~
Th~ provisions of Section 3 of t~is law shall not defeat the right of any
individual, firm, business, partne~ship, or corporation t~ recover damag~
any injuries or d&mages suStained by them on account of any pollution of,
change in condition Of, the ~ters of any ~tream or on account of any overflow
of lands of any such individual, firm, business, partnership, or cOrporatiOn
such poll'dtion, change, o~ overflow is the direct result of the fishing or
processing activity.
~ction 5.. Prior A~tion~_~t .~ected
T~is law shall not affect actions com~nced prior to the effective date
hereof.
.$eG*.z.un 6. SEQi~A De~_ermiDatJ.on
This L~islatur~, being the State Environmental Quality Review Act
(SEORA) lead agency, hereby finds and determines that this law constitutes
enactment of a local law which will not affect the environment pursuant to
~9_¢tion 617.2(b)(3) of the New York Coae of Rules and RegulatiOns (NYCRR) and
within the meaning of Section ~-0109 (2) of the NEW YORK ENVIRONMENTAL
CONS~,RVATION ~.AW. The Suffolk County O2uncil on Environmental Q~ality (CEQ) is
hereby directed to circulate any appropriate SEQRA notices of determination of
~on-appli~ability or non-significance in accordance with this
Section 7. Se verability
If any part of or provisions of this law, or the application thereof ts
any per,on Or circumstance shall be adjudged invalid by aDy court of competent
jurisdiction, such judgment shall be confined in its operation to the part of o!
provision of or application directly involved in the controversy in which Suc?
judgment shall have been rendered and shall not affect or impair the validity O~
the remainder of this law, or the application thereo{ to other persons o~
circumstances,
Section 8. EffsGt_ive. Date
This law shall take effect immediately upon fili,~ in the off,ce of th,
Secretary of State.
DATED:
APPROVED BY:
~d~-~- EX~C'~tive of Suffolk County
Date of Approval:
March 11, 1991
Mr. Gerard R Goehringer, Chairman
Board of Appeals
Town of Southold
Southold, NY 11971
Re: Arthur G. Carlson's application for interpretation.(Agriculture/
Aquaculture)
Dear Mr. Goehringer,
Please find enclosed 3 affadavits, duly signed and notarized, attesting
to the/~O-~which are emanating from Arthur G. Carlson's ille-
gal shellfish processing business on Lower Road in Southold.
!
T~eodore KLOS
Very truly yours,
Andre MORAILLON
Catherine KLOS
375 Akerly Pond Lane
Southold NY 11971
475 Akerly Pond Lane
Southold NY 11971
~ ~ Suffolk ~ ss.
Catherine KLOS
................................................................................................. befng duI~sworn, sa~ that
the illegal operation of a shellfish processing business on the property
of Arthur G. Carlson at 1575 Lower Road, Southold, New York, County tax map
Parcel no 1000-69-5-132, namely, delivery and storing of seafood , paekagii§g.
freezing and/or preparation of raw or coo~d seafood (processing) for shipping
and sales for off-premises consumption - is polluting the air with foul odors
nausea. This situation has existed for the last 6 to 7 years. Prevailing
property, related to his shellfish processing business, starting as early as
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No. CO-1505030
Qual~ied in New York C~unW
~mmi~ion ~ires June ~0, 1~
Andre Moraillon
375 Akerly Pond Lane
Southold, New York li971
October 27, 11990
Mr. Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Board of Appeals
Town of Southold
Southold, New York 11971
Re: Variance Application of Arthur Carlsen
Dear Mr. Goehringer:
Thank you for your reply of October 23rd to my letter ofOctober 19~h.
Mr. Charles Grigonis, Appeals Board Member, has already been given a
Statement of Opposition to the Carlson petition by Mr. Ted Klos of
~kerly Pond Lane,bearing severalsignatures from concerned neighbors.
I have enclosed a blank sample of the Statement of Opposition.
Regretfully, I will be unable to attend th meeting of November 1st, but
hope that the document with the signatures will be submitted to the
Board.
Very truly yours,
g-ndre Mora±llen
STATEMENT OF OPPOSITION BY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE
PETITION OF ARTHUR J. CARLSON TO THE BOARD OF APPEALS OF THE TOWN
OF SOUTHOLD
On the matter of a request for a variance for the property of
Arthur J. Carlson (see attached survey) currently located in an
AGricultural Conservation District to: Processinq, SortinG. Packing
and Storing Seafood.
We, the undersigned adjacent property owners, oppose this request
for a variance, for the following reasons:
-Mr. Carlson already processes seafood on his property, polluting
the air with foul odors, which have at times caused nausea in
residents on adjacent properties.
-The granting of a variance in this AGricultural Conservation
District to ProcessinG, SortinG. Packinq and Storinq Seafood will
set a negative precedent and without a doubt create irreparable
damage to its existing value as a residential area. It will as a
result lower property values, which the undersigned find
unacceptable.
The undersigned therefore respectfully request that the Petition of
Arthur J. Carlson for a variance be refused
Dated:
Adjacent property owners
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
NOTICE OF HEARINGS
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIV-
EN, pursuant to Section 267 of
The Town Law and the Code of
the Town of Southold, the
following matters will be held
for public hearings before the
SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
OF APPEALS at the Southold
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road,
Southold, New York 11971, on
Thursday, June 4, 1992, com-
mencing at the times specified
below:
1.7:30 p.m. AppL No, 4107-
RENEE PELLETIER. This is
an Appeal of the May 14, 1992
Notice of Disapproval issued by
the Building Inspector for a
Variance to the Zoning Or-
dinance, Article XXIV, Section
100-244B for permission to con-
struct a raised wooden walkway
extending from the (easterly)
front door to the existing
(southerly) side deck. The pro-
posed walkway is five feet in
width, located with an insuffi-
cient front yard setback. This
parcel has a lot area of 13,634
sq. ft. and is located in the R-40
Zone District. Location of Pro-
perty: 550 Fasbender Avenue,
Peconic; also referred to as com-
bined Lots No. 1 to 5, inclusive,
Map of Bailey Park filed
9/26/32 as No. 1097. County
Tax Map Parcel ID No.
1000-67-6-4.
2. 7:35 p.m. AppL No. 4108-
DANIEL AND PAMELA
TUTHILL. Special Exception
to the Zoning Ordinance~ Arti-
cle III, Section I00-30B(16) for
permission to establish a "Bed
and Breakfast Use;' in conjunc-
tion with the single-family
residency by the owner. This use
is to be accessory and subor-
dinate to the principal residen-
tial use, is for the rental of noL'~-
more than three bedrooms, and
is for lodging and serving of
breakfast to not more than five
casual and transient roomers.
This parcel contains a lot area
of 1.3876 acres in this R-40 Zone
District. Location of Property;
32660 County Route 48 (and the
westerly corner of Carroll
Avenue), Peconic, N.Y.; County
Tax Map Parcel No.
1000-74-3-11.
3.7:40 p.m. Appl. No. 4109-
MARGARET LEAHY. This is
an Appeal of the April 27, 1992
Notice of Disapproval from the
Building Inspector, Article III-
A, Section 100-30A.3 for per-
mission to construct deck addi-
tion to existing front porch with
an insufficient front yard set-
back. This parcel has a noncon-
forming lot area of 12,500 sq. ft.
and is located in the R-40 Zone
District. Location of Property:
1185 Wiggins Lane, East
Marion, N.Y.; Cleaves Point,
Section Three, Lot No. 79;
County Tax Map Parcel No.
1000-35-5-8.
4. 7:45 p.m. AppL No. 4101-
JOHN ROWAN (Property now
or formerly of LUCIEN AR-
CAS). This is an appeal under
Article XXIII, Section 100-239.4
for a deck addition with an in-
sufficient setback from the nor-
therly property line. This parcel
has a nonconforming lot area of
33,637 sq. ft. in this R-40 Zone
District. Location of Property:
435 Soundview Avenue Exten-
sion, Southold, N.Y.; County
Tax Map Parcel No.
1000-50-2-16.
5. 7:50 p.m. Appl. No. 4111-
JOHN G. AND MARIE
ELENA BRIM. Request to
Amend Variance to locate ac-
cessory tennis court partly in the.:~
front yard and side yard and'
with an insufficient setback
from nearest wetlands, all as
shown on the Amended Plan
prepared May 12, 1992 by
Chandler, Palmer & King. The
provisions under which this
Amendment is requested are Ar-
ticle III, Section 100-33, and Ar-
ticle XXIII, Section 100-239.4.
Location of Property: Norther-
ly side of Private Road (exten-
ding off East End Avenue),
Fishers Island, N.Y. ; FIDCO
Block 18, Combined Lots IA
and 115, having a total land area
of 3.565: acres in this R-120
Zone District.
6. 8:00 p.m. AppL No. 4105-
JOHN J. FIORE. A variance is
requested under Article 111, Sec-
tion 100-33 for permission to
locate accessory swimmingpool
structure and fence enclosed in
an area other than the required
rear yard. This parcel contains
an area of approximately 28,000
sq. ft. and is located in the R-80
Zone district. Location of Pro-
perty: 3100 Cedar Beach Road
(and the westerl~le of Sunset
Way) at Bayview, Southold,
N.Y.; also known as Cedar
Beach Park, combined Lots No.
158 and 159; County Tax Map
Parcel ID No. 1000-91-1-5.
7. 8:05 p.m. Appl. No. 4112-
HENRY AND BETTY HINT-
ZE. A variance is requested
under Article XXIV, Section
100.244B for permission to con-
struct deck addition and with a
setback at less than 75 feet from
thc existing bulkhead, and
under Article Ill, Section 100-33
for small accessory shed in the
front yard. This parcel contains
a total lot area of 14,5005: sc
ft. and is located in the R-8~
Zone District. Location of
perty:' Right-of-Way extending
off the easterly side of Pipes
Neck Road, Greenport, N.Y.;
County Tax Map Parcel No.
1000-53-1- 15.
8. 8riO p.m. Appl. No. 4106-
LAWRENCE P. AND
MARILYN HIGGINS. A
variance is requested under Ar-
ticle XXIII, Section 100-239.4
for permission to expand deck
by approximately 480 sq. ft., ex-
tending the existing deck
seaward approximately 13 feet,
all of which will be located
within 75 feet of the existing~
bulkhead. This parcel contains
a lot area of approximately
19,200 sq. ft. and is located in
the R-40 Zone District. Location
of Property: 830 Lupton Road,
Mattituck, N.Y.; County Tax
Map Parcel No. 1000-115-11-16.
9. 8:15 p.m. Appl. No. 4104-
ANTONIO VANGI. A var-
iance is requested under Article
XXIV, Section 100-244 and Ar-
ticle XXIII, Section 100-239.4A
for permission to construct ad-
dition to dwelling with a reduc-
ed easterly side yard and within
100 feet of the top of the L.I.
Sound bluff. This parcels con-
tains a total ara of 25,135± sq.
ft. and is located in the R-40
Zone District. Location of Pro-
perty: 645 Glen Court, Cut-
chogue, N.Y.; also referred to as
Lot No. 1, Map of Vista Bluff
filed on March 15, 1968 as Map
No. 5060; County Tax Map
Designation: 1000-83-1-17.
10. 8:20 p.m. Appl. No. 4110
(filed May 19, 1992). THOMAS
E. COFFIN. Variance to the
Zoning Ordinance, Article
XXIII, Section 100-239.4 for
permission to construct addition
within 75 feet of the existing
bulkhead. This parcel contains
a total lot area of 19,985 sq. ft.
and is located in the R-40 Zone
District. Location of Property:
305 Gull Pond Lane, Greenport,
N.Y.; County Tax Map Parcel
No. 1000-35-4-5 (now 28.25);
also known as Lot 10, Map of
Fordham Acres, Section One.
11.8:25 p.m. Appl. No. 4098-
TONY AND MARIA
KOSTOULAS. (Hearing is
reopened and continued from
the May 7, 1992 concerning an
Appeal for a Variance to the
Zoning Ordinance, Article
XXIlI, Section 100-239.4 for ap-
proval of deck extension (at or
near ground level) and fence
with an insufficient setback
from the L.I. Sound bluff line.
Location of Property: 1035
Aquaview Avenue, East Marion,
N.Y.; County Tax Map Parcel
No. 1000.21-2-13. This property
is nonconforming as to total lot
area in this R-40 Zone District.
~._12. 8:30 p.m. Appl. No. 3975-
ARTHUR G. CARLSON.
(Continued from March 25,
1992). This is an Appeal for an
Interp~tation resulting from the
October 11, 1992 Notice ol
Disapproval from the Buildin/
Inspector, as amended, undq
Article Iii, Section 100-31A(2]
for approval of a wholesalq
shellfish distribution busines~
and declaring that
aquacoltural use falls within the
purview of the agricultural use.
The subject parcel is located in
the Agricultural-Conservation
(A-C) Zone District and con-
tains a total area of 40,000 sq.
ft. Location of Property: 1575
Lower Road, Southold, N.Y.
County Tax Map Parcel No
1000.69-5-13.2; also known
Lot No, 3 of the Minor Subdivi
sion of Judith T. Terry approv
ed by the Southold Town Plan-
ning Board 10/1/79.
The Board of Appeals wild at
said time and place hear any and
all persons or representatives
desiring to be heard in the above
matters. Written comments may
also be submitted prior to the
conclusion of the subject hear-
ing. Each hearing will not start
before the times designated
above. For more information,
please call 765-1809.
Dated: May 18, 1992.
BY ORDER OF THE
SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
OF APPEALS
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
· By: Linda Kowalski
~ ? ~ IX-5/28/92(81)
COUNTYOF 't~I:~LK ~s:
S'I'ATi:. OF N~ORK
Patricia Wood,' being duly sworn, says that she is t
Editor, om' THE LONG ISLAND TRAVELER-WATCHMA
a public newspaper printed at Southoid, in Suffolk Coun
and that the notice of which the annexed is a printed co
h,u; been i~ublished in siticl I.ong island 'l'r;tvelc.~W;~lchn
once each week for. ............... ....... ~ . . . we
successively, commencing on the ...................
before me Ihis ~'--'~"~
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Notary Public
BARBARA ,~. SCHNEIDI
NOTARY PUBLIC, Stttte of Ne
No. 4806846
Quaglied in Sullolk Coty
Commission Expires ~/3
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Enclosed herewith as confirmation of the time, date and
place of the public hearing concerning your recent application is
a copy of the Legal Notice, as published in the Long Island
Traveler-Watchman, Inc. and Suffolk Times, Inc.
Please have someone appear in your behalf at the time
specified in the event there are questions brought up during the
same and in order to prevent a delay in the processing of your
application. Your public hearing will not start before the time
allotted in the attached Legal Notice. Additional time will, of
course, be available. A drafted or final written copy of your
presentation, if lengthy, is always appreciated.
Please feel free to call our office prior to the hearing
date if you have any questions or wish to update your file.
Yours very truly,
Enclosure
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
By Linda Kowalski
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INCIDENT REPORT
Southold Town Police Department
Peconic, New York 11958
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INCIDENT REPORT
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Pec=r~c. New Y~ 15958
516.765-2~00
CRIMINAL CASE
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REPORTED
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EVIDENCE OBTAINED
ALL CRIME ELEMENTS PRESENT
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CAN SUSP VEH BE IDENTIFIED
STATUS COOE
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D * UNFOUNDED S - SUMMONS ISSUED
F. M. Flynn
P. O. Box 144
Southold, N. Y. 11971
Definitions
March 25, 1992
Agriculture - "THe production, keeping or maintenance, for sale,
lease or personal use, of plants and animals useful to man,
including but not limited to forages and sod crops; grains
and seed crops; dairy animals and dairy products; poultry and
poultry products; livestock including beef cattle, sheep, swine,
horses, ponies, mules or goats or any mutation of hybrids thereof,
including the breeding and grazing of any or all such animals; bees
and apiary products; fur animals; fruits of all kinds, including
grapes, nuts and berries, vegatables; floral, ornamental and
~house products; or lands devoted to a soil conservation or
forestry management program." (Southold Town Code Sec. 100- 13)
Aquaculture - "shall mean the cultivation and harvesting of
products that naturally are produced in the marine environment,
including fish, shellfish, crustaceans and seaweed, and the
installation of cribs, racks and in-water structures for cultivating
such products, but sail not mean the construction of any building,
any filling or dredging or the construction of any water regulating
structu~s." ( Tidal Wetlands - Land Use Regulations 6NYCRR 661 4)
Other Related Definitions
Agricultural Production - "The production for commercial purposes
of crops, livestock and livestock products , but not land or
portions thereof used for processing or retail merchandising
of su~ch crops, livestock or livestock products. Land used in a
"agricultual production" shall also include fences, equipment
storage buildings, livestock barns, irrigation systems and
any other structures used exclusively for agricultural purposes."
(Southold Town Code Sec. 25 30")
Crop -" 3. Collectively , plants, grain, or fruit gathered
fore, se; harvest; as, the flax crop of South Dakota; the celery crop
of Michigan. 4. Corn or other cultivated plants while growing
or being planted; as,crops are looking fine; putting in a crop.
(Webster's Unabridged Dictionary)
(1)
Aquauulture - "variant of aquiculture." (Websters Unabridged
Dictionary_)
Aquiculture - 1. a) ~e act of cultivating the natural produce of water.
b) the raising or fattening of fish in enclosed parcels.
2. Hydroponics. (Websters Unabridged Dictionary)
Hydroponics -"The art or science of growing plants in water
containing all the necessary nutrient elements." (Websters
Unabridged Dictionary.)
(2)
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
SCOTF L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765~1800
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
P.O. Box 812
Mattituck, NY 11952
Suffolk Times
Main Road
Mattituck, NY
11952
L.I. Traveler-Watchman,
Traveler Street
Southold, NY 11971
Inc.
Dear Editor:
After reading the letter that you received and published in your
paper on April 23, 1992, in behalf of Mr. Andrew Moraillon, I
felt that I had to respond.
On March 23, 1992, Mr. T. Klos furnished our office with a copy
of the Southold Town Police Dept. reports signed by Sgt. Cochran
dated *November 20, 1991, that were mentioned in Mr. Moraillon's
letter. This receipt occurred two days before the commencement
of the March 25, 1992 hearing, as well as documents themselves,
that were all made a part of the file.
At the hearing, the Board was well aware of these documents, and
there was no need to redress their authenticity, or the
acknowledgement of their existance since they were already made
part of this file, prior to the public hearing. Also, it
should be noted for the record that this is an ongoing hearing
in which the applicant is asking for an Interpretation of
farming of the sea and how it relates to farming of the land.
At this point, this hearing will be concluded in the very near
future, and Mr. Moraillon is very welcome to attend and make any
statements that are germane to this hearing. Also, for the
record, Mr. Moraillon did not choose to testify at the March 25,
1992 hearing, nor am I aware that he was present during this
hearing.
Thank you for this opportunity to express my opinion concerning
this subject.
Very truly yours,
Gerard P. Goehringer
Chairman of the Southold Town ZBA
cc: Mr. Andre Moraillon
,
1992
April 20, 1992
Open letter to Gerard Goehringer, Chairman of the Southold Board of Appeals.
When the Southold Board of Appeals met on March 25th to discuss Arthur G.
Carlson's application for interpretation and approval of a wholesale shellfish
distribution business on Lower Road, never once did any member of that body
bring up for discussion 6 documents which each member had in his possession,
namely Southold Town Police Department reports nos. 91-2902, 91-8451 and
91-8466, dated respectively May 16,1991, November 20, 1991, and November
21, 1991, and 3 sworn affadavits dated March 9 and 11, 1991, signed by
Andre Moraillon, Ted Klos and Catherine Klos.
All 6 documents -including the 3 police reports - signed by police officers
Fohrkolb and Girgerla, mentioned complaints of offensive and foul odors
emanating from Mr. Carlson's residence on Lower Road.
The police reports had been sent by the investigating officers to the Town
Building Department, and in the case of report no.91-8466, to the Town
Attorney as well.
Mr. Carlson was well aware of these 3 police incidents, as the investigating
officers spoke to him on each Occasion.
Yet both Mr. Carlson and his attorney testified under oath that no foul
odors occured when he was processing seafood in his residence.
Furthermore, each Board member had copies of the 3 sworn affadavits, which
had been sent to him personally.
Once again, one can only wonder exactly what purpose the Southold Board of
Appeals and the people who sit on it serve when such matters come up for
public discussion.
Why were these documents covered up by the Board members during this hearing?
Why did Mr. Carlson and his attorney, testifying under oath, so blatantly
falsify facts that have been so clearly recorded by the police?
Mr. Goehringer, we and the citizens of Southold are curious to see how
you and your colleagues on the Board of Appeals will rule on this matter,
faced with evidence of repeated violations of Southold Town Codes and
false testimony by Mr. Carlson.
~ly
Andre Moraitlon
Southold
encl: Police Reports and sworn affadavits
" Catherine ICLOS _ . '
...................... : ............ :: .................................................................... :...,~ .................................... nelnf dufF sworn, aaFs that
the illegal operation of a shellfish processing<~o.usiness on the property
~ of Arthur G. Carlson at 1575 Lower Road, Southold~ 'Ne.w York, County tax map,
Parcel .no 1000-69-5-132, namely, deliver~i':and '"
storing of seafood ,:ipackagi~g;J,
freezin and or re a ~" '~%:>~ / :
g / p p ration of raw or co.o,~ed seafood (processing) for shipping
and sales for~ off-premise~ ,olluting the air with foul odors
, especially when conch is being on occasion causes me to feel
nausea. This situation has
South-Southwest winds blow these
th~ week and on weekends.Moreover.
property, related to his shellfish
event s
6 to 7 years. Prevailing
on my propert~ during
in and out of Mr. ! Carlson' s
king sufficient sleeRa ........................ i .............
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Theodore KLOS · '
.................................................................................................................................................... being duly.sworn, says that
9~ Arthur G. C~SON at 1575 Lower Roa~- ~m,,~h~l~ /~,., v.~ ~.~.: ....... ,
.... ~X~g~i~z~p~r~a~i~f~r~w~r~/ae~n~{pr~aes~.i~..~p~8 ..........
Sworn to before me, this /. '~
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Andre MORAILLON
.................................................................................................................................................... being duly sworn, says thai
'~' '~ness on
the ±llegal op. eration of a shellfish processin .bus he property
of Arthur G. Carlson at 1575 Lower Road, South.o.~ld,"N..e,w York, County tax map
Parcel no. 1000-69-5-132~ namely., del.i.~e~..'::a.~.'d.., storing of seafood,~ packagin§,
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ASSISTING OFFICERS
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Southold T~llr Police Depa~'ment
Route 25
, Peconic, New York 11958
516-765-2600
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To: Mr. Gerard Goehringer
Appeals Board members
Board of Appeals
Town of Southold
Town Hall
53095 Main Road
Southold New York 11971
Re:Application no. 3975
Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. Goehringer and Appeals Board members,
Being unable to attend the meeting scheduled on Wednesday, March 25
at $:20pm at Southold Town Hall when the application listed above
will be discussed, I wish to submit the following comments in
writing for your consideration.
Mr. Carlson's request that aquacultural use be considered as one
and the same as agricultural use cannot possibly be interpreted as
reasonable or legitimate. Aquaculture is a totally different
activity from agriculture;that is clear and obvious even to a
casual onlooker,and no highly technical explanation is required in
my opinion to explain the differences between the two.
Aquacultural activities, as still carried out illegally at the
present time by Mr. Carlson in an A C District, emit noxious odors,
and this is prohibited by the Southold Town Code. Moreover, these
same illegal activities result in heavy truck traffic in and out of
Mr. Carlson's property as early as 5am in the morning, which
creates a noisy disturbance to his neighbors. (see attached
affadavits).
Furthermore, there is nothing to indicate that Mr. Carlson's illegal
construction of structures on his property, done without bothering
to get project authorization or permits from the Southold Building
Inspector has ever been investigated.
Has the assessement of his property as a single family residence
when in effect, it has been used for commercial purposes- ever
been corrected?
Have back taxes and fines due on these violations ever been
collected?
Finally, what about the now notorious Home Occupation Law? Is it
too being violated? Is Mr. Carlson, by processing and selling
seafood in this District other than that which he catches himself
violating that law as well?
I sincerely hope these matters will be taken into consideration
when this application is discussed at the meeting.
Thank you for your consideration.
Andre Moraillon
enclosures: 3 affadavits
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Catherine KLOS ' in
.............................................................................................................. ~ .................................... ~e g duly ~worn, says that
the illegal operation of a shellfish processing business on the property
of Arthur G. Carlson at 1575 Lower Road, Southold~ New York, County tax map.
Parcel no 1000-69-5-132, namely, delivery and Storing of seafood , packagi~§g,
freezing and/or preparation of raw or c~oked Seafood (processing) for shipping
and sales for off-premises consumptioh ,,is Polluting the air with foul odors
, especially when conch is being processed, ~and on occasion causes me to feel
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nausea. This situation has existed/for :the last 6 to 7 years. Prevailing
South-Southwest winds blow these ,f. oul odors~directly on my property during
th~ week and on weekends.Moreover,\\'~ '~tru~k~craffic in and out of Mr. Carlson' s
property, related to his shellfish p~oc~ssing ous~ness, startlng as early as
5 O'clock in the morning prevents me framigetting sufficient sleep.
Sworn to before me, this** . y
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freezing and/or preparation of raw or Looked seafood (processing) for shipping
and sales for off-~remises consumption ~' is pollutmng the air with foul odors
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I 2 1991
Andr& MORAILLON
3?$ Akerly Pond Lane
SOUTHOLD NY 11971
Mr. Victor Lessard
Principal Building Inspector
Department of Buildings
Town of Southhold
Main Road
SOUTHOLD NY 11971
Dear Mr. Lessard :
New York,
CERTIFIED
Monday March 2~~,/91
I am writing in reference to Mr. Frank Flynn's letter published in
the January 31st edition of the Traveler Watchman concerning Mr.
Arthur Carlson's illegal operation of a fish processing plant in a
residential area of Southold on Lower Road.
As an adjacent property owner of Mr. Carlson's, I am particularly
concerned by the lack of action on the part of the Board of Appeals
of the Town of Southold to investigate this illegal operation, and
the apparent attempt by a Southold Councilman, Mr. George Penny to
find ways to allow this illegal operation to continue.
I am also appalled at the Southold Department of Buildings' apathy
in the matter, in the face of overwhelming evidence that Building
Codes have been violated here.
I have therefore decided, with legal counsel, to send transcripts
of all relevant documentation pertaining to this matter, to the
Suffolk County District Attorney's Office to ascertain whether
these obvious violations of Building Codes, illegal operation of a
business in a residential area and possible Town, State and Federal
Tax violations warrant further investigation by government agencies
at higher levels.
I would very much appreciate hearing your comments on this
situation in your capacity of Principal Building inspector for the
Town of Southold.
I await your reply at your earliest convenience.
Very truly ~ours,
Andr~ Moraillon
Please send all correspondance to me at :
225 Central Park West Apt.
NEW YORK, NY 10024
1107
F. H. Flynn
P.O. Box 124
Southold, No Y. 11971
January~
Town Board
Town of Soputhold
Town Hall
Main Road
Southold, N. Y. 11971 BY HAND
Members of the Board:
The enclosed copy of a letter provides details on a
serious matter which deserves immediate ~action by the
Town Board. -.
Very truly yours,
F. M. Flynn
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P. O. Box 144
Southold, N. Y. 11971
(516) 477-0698
January 29, 1991
The Editor
The Traveler-Watchman
Traveler Street
Southold, N. Y. 11971
Dear Sir:
Once again residents of Southold are confronted~ however
belatedly, by the sordid spectacle of the machinations of
town officials in deliberately ignoring and condoning the
illegal actions of thepolitically favored. In my opinion,
if your publication enjoys the status of an official
newspaper, you have theconcomitant obligaticnto inform the
public of situations which concern their vital interests.
The facts of this matter are readily verifiable.
It has been reported that Councilman George Penny has
been shedding crocodile tears on behalf of Arthur C. Carlson
who has been operating a fish processing plant illegally
in a residential area of Southold..'Various statements have
been made as to the duration of this operation, ranging from
fifteen to twenty-five years.
The facts are these. By deed dated August 21, 1980,
Arthur C. Carlson purchased from Judith T. Terry a parcel,
approximately one acre in area, lcoated on the westerly
side of Lower Road, 228.89 feet southwesterly of Ackerly
Pond Road. Parcel is identified on the Tax Map as District
1000, Section 69, Block 5, Lot 13.2.
The Purchase Money Mortgage filed at the same time as the
deed stated that the premises were improved solely by a
dwelling.
At the time of the sale, property was zoned for Residence A
use. It is currently in an AC district. Property is
nonconforming in both size and use. Fish processing was,
and is, not a permitted use in either district. Further,
the Town Code prohibits any use emitting noxious odors
in any district.
Subsequent to his purchase, Mr. Carlson proceeded to erect
and ultimately expand a structure in which he conducts his
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business. The expanded structure is classified on assessment
records as a garage.
Town records
three stages
in area.
indicate the present structure was erected in
and now totals approximately 2,032 sq. ft.
During this entire period, and to date, property has been
assessed as a single family residence and taxed accordingly.
It defies reason that the Assessors, past and present,
and the Building Inspector, had they performed their duties
properly and inspected the property as these structures
were added, would not have become aware that the property
was being used for commercial purposes. Further, it is
unlikely that these structures could meet the strict
requirements of the State's Building Code for commercial
improvements.
In the opinion of the writer, there are strong indications
of official malfeasance and/or nonfeasance which should
be investigated by the appropriate authorities; all the
more so since no action has been taken in response to
complaints on file in the town.
The general public first became aware of this situation
when Mr. Carlson, probably motivated by neighbor's complaints,
applied to the Southold Board of Zoning Appeals for a
"variance" to operate a fish processing plant and other
commercial operations in an AC district.
The Town Code requires that such qperations be conducted
only in M II districts on plots of at least 80,000 sq. f~.,
and then only by Special Exception. The previously cited
prohibition on the emission of noxious odors prevails
in all districts.
What was actually sought was a rezoning and documents
submitted by the applicant state as much. Rezoning is
solely the perogative of the Town Board. Not only would
this constitute a rezoning, but it would be a "spot"
rezoning. The New York State Court of Appeals has defined
spot zoning as the the singling out of a parcel for
reclassification for the benefit of one owner to the
detriment of other property owners. The court went on to
state that spot zoning is "the very antithesis of planned
zoning."
(3)
Rather than summarily rejecting the application as
being a matter properly brought before the Town Board,
ZBA reserved decision and scheduled another hearing,
since cancelled.
the
This action is entirely in character with decisions of
the ZBA which, in my opinion, on many occassions exceed
its powers and duties as circumscribed by the Town Code.
The result has been the gradual rezoning of the town
in the guise of granting of "variances" which are often
granted without enforcing the standards of proof required
by law.
The ZBA serves at the Town Board's pleasure. Accordingly,
the Town Board must bear ultimate responsibility for the
actions of the ZBA.
With respect to the second, ultimately cancelled, public
hearing on this matter~ the Legal Notice, specifying the
intent of the same application, identified by the same
number, was substantially altered. Thus, the public was
deluded into thinking that the scope of the application
was more innocuous than it in fact was.
Mr. Carlson has been operating a fish processing plant
illegally, over a period of years, with the presumptive
knowledge of town officials. He has been taxed as a
single family residence at the expense of other resident~
of the town. Neighbors have complained of the dimunition
of their property values and they have been deprived of the
"quiet enjoyment" of their respective properties to which
they are entitled by law. In addition, actions, or the
lack thereof, by the town have afforded Mr. Carlson an
unfair advantage over his competitors whose overhead
includes investment in legally zoned property and who are
taxed accordingly. Would it be cynical to raise the
possibility that the enthusiastic support of the baymen
for this operation arises, at least in part, from the
benefits of dealing with a low overhead operation?
Now it appears that Councilman Penny has jumped into the
fray with the presumed intent of garnering, at least,
populist political support from special interests in the
town. He, reportedly, would completely abrogate in the
purpose and intent of zoning in the town by amending the
provisions of "Home Occupations" as defined in the Town
Code.
Presumeably the definition would be stretched unconscionably
to include such operations as Mr. Car.lson's. Mr. Carlson
would be rewarded for flouting the law.
Over the span of the last twenty-five years the writer has
had occasion to examine literally dozens of municipal
codes. If anything, the Southold Code is more lax or
permissive with respect to Home Occupations than most
such ordinances.
Essentially, the Southold Code defines "Home Occupation"
as professional uses and certain limited handicrafts
provided such occupations are "located in a dwelling in which
the practioner resides." Most such ordinances confine
such use to professional use conducted only within a
specific percentage of the first floor area.
Tampering with the "Home Occupation" provision of the
Southold Code by way of an amendment to permit the
conduct of business and industry in residential areas, let
alone the construction of structures for these purposes,
would destroy the integrity and intent of zoning. No one
in Southold would be safe in the quiet enjoyment of their
homes, for which the "Bundle of Rights" provides, were
their neighbors permitted to conduct trade and commerce
next door.
Were Councilman Penny to propose such an amendment, it
would be yet another "bad penny" amendment on behalf
of special interests. Like the p~overbial bad penny,
such action would come back to haunt the residents of t~e
town by marking one more step in the destruction of the
character of the town.
Can it also be that Councilman Penny is opposed to
citizens exercising their legal right to complain about
the illegal acts of neighbors? If this be the case, is
this the proper person to chair the town's Legislative
Committee, or for that matter, to serve the town in an~
capacity?
Very truly yours,
F. M. Fi~
cc:
Town Board
Town Attorney
Board of Assessors
Building Department
N.F.E.C.
' Southold 2000
League of Women Voters
Newsday
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehfinger, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
INTER-OFFICE MEMORANDUM
TO:
FROM:
DATE:
SUBJECT:
Matthew G. Kiernan,
Board of Appeals
January 23, 1991
Application Pending with Z.B.A.
Assistant Town Attorney
by A. Carlson
We have been asked to advise of the status of the above file
which has been pending with our Department.
Last Thursday, Bill Goggins, attorney for Mr. Carlson, indicated
that he will be amending the subject ZBA application to request
only an interpretation by the ZBA under the current zoning
regulations, and that he will be withdrawing that portion of the
file which pertains to an use variance. Forms were sent to
Mr. Goggins that day, and the application is to be calendared,
as requested by Mr. Gogqins, for a March hearing.
It has come to our attention that member(s) of the Town Board
may wish to consider changes of the zoning code. If the Town
Board in its wisdom chooses to amend the code in the near
future, then the application before the ZBA may become moot and
should either be withdrawn entirely or postponed until deemed
necessary pending the outcome of the Town Board's
consideration.
If the Town Board chooses not to amend the code at this time,
then the ZBA will be in a position to proceed with the request
for an interpretation of the current regulations. Although the
ZBA will not be legislating under this interpretation, the ZBA
would provide guidelines by way of the "determination under the
interpretation" for future determinations and enforcement by
To:
From:
Subject:
Matthew G. Kiernan
Board of Appeals
ZBA Application - A.
Carlson
January 23, 1991
other departments - (Ref: interpretation format in the
Auricchio/Sblendido decision, copy attached for convenience
purposes).
It is our recommendation that both boards NOT render decisions
at the same time since they may be conflicting. If, however,
the Town Board wishes to work on their own proposals, we don't
see a conflict provided it is independent of comments by ZBA
members until the ZBA has rendered its determination based upon
the record before us received at the public hearings and written
submissions through our office.
Thank you.
GG:lk
cc: George Penny, Legislative Code Committee Chairman
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, .Ir.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SE~RA UNLISTED ACTION DECLARATION
Appeal No. 3975 Project Name: Arthur Chrls0n
County Tax Map No. 1000- 69-5-13.2
Location of Project: 1575 Lower Rd., S0uth0ld, NY
SCOTt L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
Dec. 16, 1991
Relief Requested/Jurisdiction Before This ~oard in this Project:
To show amendment for interpretation only, a§ of lO/ll/91
This Notice is issued pursuant to' Part 617 of the implementing
regulations pertaining to Article 8 of the N.Y.S. Environmental Quality
Review Act of the Environmental Conservation Law and Local Law #44-4 of
the Town of Southold.
An Environmental Assessment (Short) Form has been submitted with the
subject application indicating that no significant adverse environmental
effects are likely to occur should the project be implemented as planned,
and:
{ } this Board wishes to asdume Lead Agency status and urges
coordinated written co~ents by your agency to be submitted with the next
20 days.
{ X } this Board has taken jurisdiction as Lead Agency, has deemed
this Board of Appeals application to be an Unlisted SEQRAAction, and has
declared a Negative Declaration for the following reasons:
a. An Environmental Assessment has bee~ submitted and e~aluated, and/or
b. An inspection of the property has been made, or
c. Sufficient information has been furnished in the record to evaluate any
possible adverse affect of this project as filed, and/or
d. This application does not directly relate to new construction or
on-site improvements.
{ } this Board refers lead agency status to your agency since the
Board of Appeals does not feel its scope of j~risdiction is as broad as
the Planning Board concerning site changes and elements under the site
plan reviews. The area of jurisdiction by the Board of Appeals is not
directly related to site improvements or new buildings. -(However, if you
do not wish to assume lead agency status within 15 days of this letter, we
will assume you have waived same, and we will be required to proceed as
Lead Agency.)
For further information, please contact ~the Office of the Board
Appeals, Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, NY 11971 at (516) 765-1809.
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ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
SOUTHOLD TOWN HALL
SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK 11971
NOV i lJ iIJj
OCT 22, 1990
Dear Sirs,
We, the undersigned residents of Southold Town, do hereby
support the application of Arthur G, Carlson for a change of
zoning for his seafood business.
Please print:
NAME
ADDRESS
OCCUPATION
SIGNATURE
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
SOUTHOLD TOWN HALL
SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK 11971
OCT 22, 1990
Dear Sirs,
We, the undersigned residents of Southold Town, do hereby
support the application of Arthur G, Carlson for a change of
zoning for his seafood business.
Please print:
NAME
ADDRESS
OCCUPATION
SIGNATURE
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
SOUTHOLD TOWN HALL
SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK 11971
OCT 22/ 1990
Dear Sirs,
We, the undersigned residents of Southold Town, do hereby
suppor~ the application of Arthur G, Carlson for a change of
zonin9 for his seafood business.
Please print:
NAME
ADDRESS
OCCUPATION
SIGNATURE
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
SOUTHOLD TOWN HALL
SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK 11971
OCT 22, 1990
Dear Sirs,
We, the undersigned residents of Southold Town, do hereby
support the application of Arthur G, CarlsQn for a change of
zoning for his seafood business.
Please print:
NAME
ADDRESS
OCCUPATION
SIGNATURE
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
SOUTHOLD TOWN HALL
SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK 11971
OCT 22, 1990
Dear Sirs,
We, the undersigned residents of Southold Town, do hereby
support the application of Arthur G, Carlson for a change of
zoning for his seafood business.
Please print:
NAME
ADDRESS
OCCUPATION
SIGNATURE
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
SOUTHOLD TOWN HALL
SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK 11971
OCT 22, 1990
Dear Sirs,
We, the undersigned residents of Southold Town, do hereby
support the application of Arthur G, Carlson for a change of
zoning for his seafood business.
Please print:
NAME
ADDRESS
OCCUPATION
SIGNATURE
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
SOUTHOLD TOWN HALL
SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK 11971
OCT 22, 1990
Dear Sirs,
We, the undersigned residents of Southold Town, do hereby
~upport the applic-ation of Arthur G, Carlson for a change of
zoning for his seafood business.
Please print:
NAME
ADDRESS
OCCUPATION
SIGNATURE
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
SOUTHOLD TOWN HALL
SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK 11971
OCT 22, 1990
Dear Sirs,
We, the undersigned residents of Southold Town, do hereby
support the application of Arthur G, Carlson for a change of
zoning for his seafood business.
Please print:
NAME
ADDRESS OCCUPATION
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
SOUTHOLD TOWN HALL
SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK 11971
OCT 22, 1990
Dear Sirs,
We, the undersigned residents of Southold Town, do hereby
support the application of Arthur G, Carlson for a change of
zoning for his seafood business.
Please print:
NAME .g_~ADD~RES S OCCUPATION SIGNATURE
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
SOUTHOLD TOWN HALL
SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK 11971
OCT 22, 1990
Dear Sirs,
We, the undersigned residents of Southold Town, do hereby
support the application of Arthur G, Carlson for a change of
zoning for his seafood business.
Please print:
NAME
ADDRESS
OCCUPATION
SIGNATURE
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
SOUTHOLD TOWN HALL
SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK 11971
OCT 22, 1990
Dear Sirs,
We, the undersigned residents of Southold Town, do hereby
support the application of Arthur G, Carlson for a change of
zoning for his seafood business.
Please print:
NAME
ADDRESS
OCCUPATION
SIGNATURE
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
SOUTHOLD TOWN HALL
SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK 11971
OCT 22, 1990
Dear Sirs,
We, the undersigned residents of Southold Town, do hereby
support the application of Arthur G, Carlson for a change of
zoning for his seafood business.
Please print:
NAME
ADDRESS
OCCUPATION
SIGNATURE
!
,'v
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
SOUTHOLD TOWN HALL
SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK 11971
OCT 22, 1990
Dear Sirs,
We, the undersigned residents of Southold\Town, do hereby
support the application of Arthur G, Carlson for a change of
zoning for his seafood business.
Please print:
NAME
ADDRESS
OCCUPATION
SIGNATURE
Z '
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
SOUTHOLD TOWN HALL
SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK 11971
OCT 22, 1990
Dear Sirs,
We, the undersigned neighbors of Arthur G. Carlson, located
at 1575 Lower Road Southold, do hereby support his application
for a change of zoning for his seafood business.
Please print:
NAME
ADDRESS
OCCUPATION
SIGNATURE
OCT 22, 1990
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
SOUTHOLD TOWN HALL
SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK 11971
Dear Sirs,
We, the undersigned neighbors of Arthur G. Carlson, located
at 1575 Lower Road Southold, do hereby support his application
for a change of zoning for his seafood business.
Please print:
NAME ADDRESS
OCCUPATION
SIGNATURE
October 29, 1990
Joseph & Judith Irwin
575 Ackerly Pond Lane
Southold, NY 11971
Southold Town Board of Appeals
53095 Main Road P.O. Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971
RE: Application of Zoning Change
Arthur Carlson
Dear Sir:
As a resident living adjacent to the property of Arthur
Carlson I Protest the changes in zoning as presently proposed.
· Specificall~ the following conditions as I see it are
unsatisfactory.
1) Adjacent to Arthur Carlsons property is his son Claudes'
Property whose access is on Ackerl~ Pond Lane. His driveway runs
right along side my property and has been used as the primar~
access to sheds g barns used for their business. It is unpaved,
dust~ and heavily traveled. This driveway must be eliminated as
a entry to Arthur Carlson' Property.
2) The wording per application is much too broad. Does
"offsite consumption" open the door for a retail operation? Can
expansion and additional volume be anticipated? Should various
systems be installed to eliminate odors? Should certain
sanitation requirements in order to eliminate rats be enforced?
Will fencing be required? These questions and more come to mind
and should be addressed.
I feel that if any changes to Zoning are to be considered
they should be encumbered with restrictions and covenants. More
specific uses of the property should be detailed before any
consideration be given.
In conclusion the application of Arthur Carlson as is should
be denied. A change in Zoning as proposed would certainly reduce
the market value of my property and cause harmful effects to my
family.
November 14, 1990
Mr. Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
and Members, Board of Appeals
Town of $outhold
Main Road, S.R. 25
Southold, NY 11971
Re: Arthur G. Carlson's Application no. 3975
Several years ago, Arthur G. Carlson knowingly or unknowingly
violated a Southold Town zoning and building ordinance by
establishing a mariculture business in an Agriculture Conservation
District. This type of business is normally permitted by code in
M II districts only.
The Town of Southold apparently never issued a zoning permit for
this construction, nor a permit for this business. None were
probably requested.
It is clear now that Southold Town Codes and regulations were
violated intentionally or unintentionally at that time.
Some time later, it appears that the Southold Town Board of Zoning
Appeals got wind of this construction and sent a Building Inspector
to the Carlson residence. Apparently, the project was disapproved.
Mr. Chairman and Members of the Board of Appeals, the issue before
you is not whether a variance should be granted to Mr. Carlson who
knowingly or unknowingly operated an illegal business for so many
years. The issue here is whether the Southold Town Board of
Appeals is fulfilling its designated role if it grants a variance
in this case.
If anyone Can decide without consulting the Board to open a
mariculture business or a canning factory or a slaughterhouse in
one's backyard in total ignorance or violation of zoning laws at
any time and then, years later, when the violation is discovered,
receive a variance so that the business can be maintained, then why
have a Town Board of Zoning Appeals at all? Why not simply do away
with the Board? If a variance were granted in this particular case
and a precedent set, the result could be zoning anarchy.
The proper solution for this case would be for Mr. Carlson to move
his business to a properly zoned area, like the other seafood
processing plants already doing business in the area, (none of
which are located in Agriculture Conservation Districts.)
This matter is of concern to all Southold Residents.
In fact, we the neighbors of Mr. Carlson are studying a plan to
litigate if rezoning End variances are approved in this case. If
necessary, affidavits will be prepared attesting to foul odors
emanating from this mariculture business.
Unfortunately, my work frequently takes me out of the country. I
will be in Europe on November 28th when the Board convenes to take
up this matter. This is why I am writing this letter, which I wish
to have entered into Application File no. 3975.
Respectfully yours,
Andr~ Moraillon
Akerly Pond Lane
Southold
Southold Board of
From: F. M. Flynn
Zoning Appeals
Re: November 1, 1990 Hearng of Arthur
( Appl. # 3975)
Date: November 6, 1990
It was not without reason that, at the recent planning conference,
Dr. Lee Koppelman accused the Southold ZBA of "g£ing away the
store." In my opinion, the Board's conduct at th~ captioned
hearing, and its actions with respect to the Port of Egypt
and other properties~amply illustrate its proclivities in this
direction.
The subject application is, indisputably, an applicaion for
a change o~zoning. It should have been recognized immediately
as s~h; as a matter to be brought before the Town Board. The
applicant displayed, albeit inadvertently, a clearer understanding
of what was required than did the ZBA when he submitted a petition
for a change of zoning.
The Board's vacuous, inane and circumspect questioning of the
applicant conspicuously avoided the main issue. This could
well be considered as evidencing bias in favor of the applicant.
I hold no animus toward Mr. Carlson. He may well be the estimable
character his supporters represented him as being. This, of
course, has no bearing on his application. His supporters,
however, did him no service by accentuating his need to expand
his business. Even were the granting of these "variances" legally
possible, increased profitability is proscribed as a basis
for such action.
I concede that such facilities as the applicant has applied
for may well be ~eeded in Southold, but in appropiate locations
where they will~dversely affect the rights and property values
of neighboring ~esidential property owners.
This brings up a serious conflict between the testimony elicited
at the h~ing and the neighbors' petition in the ZBA's files.
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The applicant, or his son, testified that no odors were emitted y
the present operation. The neighbors state they have been subjected
to noxious, nausea inducing odors.
May I point out that the Southold Code prohibits uses emitting
noxious odors in all districts.
Subject property is nonconmforming in size and the proposed
uses are also nonconforming. This, along with the prohibition
cited, raises the question of whether the existing use is a
legal nonconforming one. I suggest this matter be investigated
by the appropriate town authorities.
None of the proposed uses is permitted in an A-C District.
While mariculture is permitted in an MII District, both fish
processing and fish markets are permitted as Special Exceptions
only. A variance cannot rezone. Further, Sec. 100-241 of the
Southold Code provides that even l~gal nonconforming uses or
buildings shall not be enlarged, altered, extended, reconstructed
· ~r or restored or placed on a different part of the lot or
parcel.
I was brought up to believe in the, now tarnished, concept
that this is a country of laws. If this concept prevails in
the Town of Southold, no one , including the applicant is above
the law.
I consider this to be a cynical~to rezone by means of variances.
As such it would represent a case of not only the wrong phew
(sic), but the wrong church.
Rezoning is the perogative, solely, of the Town Board. For
the ZBA toattempt to do so b~ any subterfuge would constitute
an action not only in excess of its delegated powers, but an
instance of dereliction on the part of the Town Board.
While I can't prejudge a matter yet to be brought before the
Town Board, to grant a rezoning would entail rewriting the
Southold Code with respect to zoning. Even then, singling out
this parcel for its benefit at the expense of others would
constitute illegal spot zoning.
For the ZBA to have given this application protracted
consideration represents a waste of the taxpayer's money as
well as a serious overestimation on the part of the ZBA of
its powerto modify the st~ct letter of the regulations, within
clearly defined spirit or intent. Either that, or it appears
to me adeliberate intent to bypass these regulations entirely.
their
Since the Town Board appoints the ZBA, and it is responsible
to the Town Board and not the electorate, it is the ultimate
responsibilty of the Town Board to oversee the ZBA's actions
and to be accountable to this same electorate for them.
I suggest that, if the ZBA is incabable of acting within the
scope of its delegated powers, or unwlling to do so, its members
resign or be replaced. This would afford the Town Board the
opportunity to appoint a newly staffed ZBA conscious of the
limitations placed on its powers.
Matters have reached such a state in the Town of Southold What
I propose, seriously, the appointme~ of an ombudsman to represent
the interests of all the people and.limit, insofar as possible,
the spate of litigation with which the town is faced and to
constrain the abuses which prompt it.
cc: Town Board (2)
Town Attorney
F. M. Flynn
P. O. Box 144
Southold, N. Y.
Board Of Appeals
Town of Suthold
Town Hall
Main Road ~
Southold, N. Y. 11971
Attn: Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
11971
Re; Application No. 3975 - Arthur G. Carlson
June 20, 1992
Sirs:
At the June 4, 1992 hearing on the captioned application,
applicant's counsel introduced~and discussed in support of
his client~an Appe~ate Court decision in the matter of Town
of Huntington et al, Appe~ants v. Barracuda Transportation
Co., Inc., et al Respondents.
Obviously I had no opportunity to
its ~ implications at that time.
to do so.
analyze this decision and
I am taking this opportunity
Counsel placed reliance on this decision which is not remotely
on point with the apparent intention of obfuscating the matter
before the Board.
By so doing, counsel is hoist on his own petard. Not only
does this case have no significance in this matter, but in its
decision the Court confirms my contention, so often stated
before this Board, that:
"Regulations limitin~ the use of property must be strictly
construed~and if there is any doubt as to their meaning it
must be resolved in favor of the property owner." ( emphasis
supplied)
The case cited involves uses permitted in "General Business"
districts in the Town of Huntington and has no bearing on
uses permitted in "A - C" districts by the $outhold Zoning
Code.
Further, the fact that the respondents were engaged in the
shipping of seafood is a blatant attempt to confuse the issue
before the Board. Respondents could as well have been engaged
in distributing "food milk or bakery goods."
Significantly, respondents are engaged solely in distribution;
there is no packaging, no bottling and no "warehousing".
There was no processing involved. In addition, respondents
were paid for the shipping, not for the food.
rule requiring
use of property is
Board's actions in
for variances.
Not bythe widest, and wildest, stretch of the imagination
can this decision be related to the subject application.
On the other hand, the Appellate Court's reference to th~---~//~/'fi~
the strict construc~tion of regulations~he
the heart of this matter and governs the
this matter and in other applications
S~ictly Construed / Strict Construction Define~
"A narow construction of a statute confining its operation
to matters affermatively, definitely, irresistably or specifically
pointed out by its terms , and to cases which fall fairly
wihin its letter, or the clear, plain, obvious or natural import
of the language used." (50 Am J 1st Stat Sec 388)
Statute is defined as:
An act of the legislature as an organized body."
The Zoning Code of the Town of Southold is a legislative
enactment and its regulations must be strictly construed.
In the subject instance, the Town Board, in enacting the
Zoning Code, has made affirmative provisions for the uses
conducted (and proposed) by the applicant in zoning districts
other than A - C districts. Thus , having made such provisions,
the inent and will of the town's legislativ body has been
specifically, clearly and obviously pointed out.
2) Fish Processin~ Defined (Southold Zoning Code Sec. 100 -13)
"Fish Processing - The readying of fish and shellfish for
shipping to market, including icing, cleaning, filleting,
shuckingand the cooking of crabs or lobster, but not including
other cooking, canning, freezing, smoking or other fish factory
operations."
Applicant's operations, present and proposed, as confirmed
by his own statements, clearly constitute fish processing
as defined by the Zoning Code.
Fish processing is not a permitted use in A - C districts.
The Town Board has specified its clear intent by making affirmative
for this use in M II districts as a special exception.
(2)
Aquacultural v. A~ricultural Use
A bizarre attempt has been made to confuse the issue by attempting
~ maraculture with agriculture. The Zoning Code
has drawn a clear distinction by making affirmative provisions
for aquaculture as a matterof right in M II districts and
by special exception in M I districts and by a distinct provision
for agriculture in A - C and low density residential distr~ts.
Even more bizarre is the attempt to
Semantical debate aside, the intent
clearly conveyed i~its provisions.
equate fish with animals.
of the Zoning Code is
Sec. 100 - 13 of the Zoning Code defines Agriculture as:
"The production, keeping or maintenance, for sale,lease or
personal use, of plants and animals useful to man, including
but not limited toforages and sod crops; grains and seed
crops; dairy animals and dairy products; poultry and poultry
products; livestock, including beef cattle, sheep, swine, horses,
ponies, mules or goats or any mutations or hybrids thereof,
including the breeding and grazing of any and all such animals;
bees and apiary products; fur animals, fruits of all kinds,
including grapes, nuts and berries, vegatables; floral, ornamental
and greenhouse products; or lands devoted to asoilA ~nServation
or forestry management program?
Neither the extensive listing of permitted use~ nor the clear
import of the language/make provision fo mara~cultural use,
much less for fish processing.
Livestock is defined as:
Domestic animals used or raised on a farm,especially those
kept for profit."
Even more definitive, Sec. 25 30 of the Zoning Code defines
Agricultural Production as :
"The production for commercial purposes of crops, livestock and
livestock produc~, but not land or portions thereof used
for processin$ or retail merchandizing of such crops~ livestock
or livestock products. Land used in agricultural production
shall include fences, equipment storage buildings, livestock
barns, irrigation systems and any other structures used exclusiveIy
for agricultural purposes." (emphasis supplied)
Not even the most far reaching efforts can justify the applicant's
operations as the production of livestock. In addition, the use
of agricultural land for livestock processing is proscribed.
(3)
41Regulations fo Agricultural - Conservation (A-C) Districts
Southold Zoning Code Sec. 100 - 31
A
(a)
Use regulations:
"In A - C, R - 8~, R - 120, R - 200 and R - 400 Districts,
no building or premises shall be used and no building or
part of a building shall be erected or altered which is arranged,
intended or designed to be used , in whole or in part, for
any use except the following:
Permitted uses:
"The following operations and accessory uses thereto, including
irrigation, provided that there shall be no storage of manure,
fertilizer or other odor or dust producing substa~ or use,
except spraying and dusting to protect vegatation~ within
one hundred fifty (150) feet of any lot line."(emphasis supplied)
"The raising of field and garden crops,vinyard and orchard farming,
the maintenance of nurseries and the seasonal sale of products
grown on the premises~ subject to the following special requirements:
(emphasis supplied)
The keeping, bredlng, raising and traxning of horses, domestic
animals and fowl (except ducks) o_n lots of ten (10) acres or more."
]-~phasis supplied)
The clear language of Sec. 100 - 31 of the Zoning Code confines
the uses to those affirmatively stated and/or specifically
pelted out.
Odor producing uses are specifically prohibited here and elsewhere
in the Code.
The district confines sales to those products grown on the
premises.
The plain language used permits the keying,
and training of horses, fowl (except ducks)
domestic animals.
breeding, raising
and, specifically,
The attempt to equate shellfish with animals in the context
of the Code is ludicrous.. In this district the Code affirmatively
allows for domestic animals. I don't believe even the applicant
would maintain that shellfis8 are dome~lc animals. I have
never seen a domesticated shellfish, nor a trainable one.
If one were so obtuse as to confuse~with domestic animals,
it still requires ten (10) acres to k~e~p, breed, raise and
train domestic animals.
(~)
It must be noted again that the intent of the Code is clear.
It has made provision for both aquaculture and fish processing,
but not in A - C districts.
5) Nonconforming Use
The subject property's plot is nonconforming in size. The
so-called "garage"tin which the fish processing operation
is conducted, is also nonconforming.
The original building for the fish pocessing operation was
erected in 1982 in accordance with Building Permit No. 11574Z,
dated 2/26/82. C. O. was isued 5/12/82.
Applicant (Carlson) stated on application that existing use
and occupancy was residentia~ and that the intended use and
occupancy was residential. He further stated that the new
constuction was to be a two (2) car accessory garage. Applicant
further stated that the proposed construction did not violate
any zoning law, ordinance or regulation.
It is worthy of note that, on the face of it, agarage 42'X24'
and 16' in height, is an extraordinary size for a two car
garage on a one acre plot.
The C.O. stat~that
and conforms to all
provisions of law.
building is an accessory 2 car garage
of the requirements of the applicable
The C.C. further states "The occupancy for which
isissued is as accessory two car garage"
~ ·
this certificate ~.:
Sec. 100 - 13 of the Zoning Code provides the following
definition:
"Garage Private - A bulling used as an accessory to the main
building for the storage of one (1) or more gasoline or other
power - driven vehicles owned and used by the owner or tenant
of the lot on which the garage is erected for the storage
of not exceeding two (2) additional vehicles (not trucks)
owned or used by the others, and in which no occupation
business or service for profit is carried on without special
permit." (emphasis supplied)
Present fish procesing use is clearly in violation of the
ordinance and C.C., and has been for some ten years.
A so-called garage and storage addition to the existing "garage"
was erected in accordance with Building Permit No. 14209Z,
dated 7/29/85. C.C. No. Z13848 is dated 9/12/85.
(5)
Intended use and occupancy was stated on application as garage
an~extended storage area. Que~stion on form -" If business,
commercial or mixed occupancyspecify nature and extent of
each use" was left nnanswered.
It was stated that proposed constructiondid not violate any
zoning law, ordinance or regulation. ~
The C.O states that
for Building Permit
storage building.
structure conforms substantially to Application
and occupancy is addition to garage and
CoO. further states "construction of above described building
and permit meets all all applicable codes and regulations."
It is apparent from the above that the entire application
procedure was deceptive. The actual intent and use should
have been apparent to Southold's Building Deparmentjat the
very least at the time of inspecting the addition.
The same may be said of the Board of Assessors. Property
is stillassessed as a one family dwelling. THe garage addition
which received a C.O. in 1985 did not appear on the assessment
roll until 1990.
Legal Requirements for a Use Variance.
To obtain a use variance , applicant must m~ the standards of
proof set by the Court of Appeals in Otto v. Steinhilber.
The primary test is that the zoning be non-confiscatory;
that the property have value as zoned. The test is sometimes
interpreted as a reasonable return (profit) on investment. ~,~
The plight (if any) of the~is not due to unique circumstances
except those created by the owner's illegal use.
Granting the variance would certainly alter the essential
character of the neighborhood.
During the course of these hearings an obvious effort has
been made to meet the test o~financial hardship by adding
to the original investment the cost of freezers etc. This
would be the equivalent of granting a variance to the applicant
because he had violated the law. Further, even if it were
legal, as fixtures building permits would have been required.
If personal property, they don't represent an investment
in real property.
To reward the applicant for his illegal investment in freezers
etc. is the equivalent of compensating a bootleger for his
still.
(6)
7) Proposed Use
Application No. 3975 originated as an appeal for (claimed)
maraculture uses to include delivery and storing of seafood,
packaging , freezing and/or preparation of raw or cooked
seafood (processing) for shipping and/or sales for off-premises
consumption.
The matter has evolved that the applicant now seeks a ruling
~the Board that aquacultural use fait within the purview
of agricultural use~ and approval of a wholesale shellfish
distribution business.
The arguments against this application are so obvious as
to scarcely require repetition.
The Zoning Code clarly differentiates between aquacultural
and agricultural use and provides seperate districts for
the condut of each.
The present use, and the use proposed by the owner's testimony,
are clearly fish processing as defined in the Code. Provision
is made for this use in the Code in a different district.
The A-C district permits only the sale of products produced
on the premises; clearly not the case in the subject instance.
Uses emitting noxious odors are prohibited in all districts
of the town.
The Code permits wholesale and warehousing uses in LB districts,
subject to site plan approval. These uses are also permitted
in General Business districts. M II districts provide for
wholesale and retail sale of finfish and shellfish as
a special exception.
The Code's intent is clear in that all these uses were anticipated
and provided for in~pecific districts in the regulations.The
language used in the Code is clear, plain and obvious.
Relationship to Potato Farming
In a tenuou~and~ in my opinion far-fetched and desperate,
effort to relate fish processing to potato farming, testimony
was introduced regardi~ potato farming.
The clear conclusion is that potatoes are a form of plant
life and their production is agricultural in nature and shellfis
are a formof aquatic life. While the cultivatiun of shellfish
and thelr harvesting may well be considered aquaculture,
theirprocessing remote from their place of origin is not.
(7)
9)
10)
The potato farmers product remains whole and physically unchanged
when shipped to market. The nature of a fish processing operation
is that the product is phsically changed from its natural state,
is iced or frozen, frequently subjected to some form of processing
involving heat. In addition a coniderable amount of by-products
and waste are created involving problems of disposing of
organic matter.
Enforcement
Any process which emits noxious odo~rs is
districts in the Town of Southold.
prohibited in all
Protests aboutChe subject operation have been filed with
the town over a period of at least four years. Affidavits
have been submitted and additional~ complaints filed with
the police department
Town officials have failed to investigate and act on these
complaints.
It is now proposed to conduct a test for odors on a prearranged
basis. [he emision of odors would then be subject to the
owner's control. Why have not the appropriate enforcement
agencies responded to neighbors complaints on a timely basis?
The result of a sc~duled test is foreordained.
Conclusion
Statutes, i.e. Zoning Codes, are to be strictly construed
by confining their operations to matters affirmatively, definitely,
irresistably or specifically pointed out by their terms.
The Southold Zoning Code makes provisions for the uses sought
by the applicant, but in other than A C districts.The Code
is sufficiently clear as to leave no ~oubt as to its, and
its framers, intent.
The Southold Zoning Code makes a clear differentiation between
aquaculture and agriculture by makink specific provision
for their use in different districts.
By Code definition, the proposed use is clearly fish processing.
Were the bizarre conclusion reached that shellfish are animals,
the clear provisions of the A-C district are for domestic
animals, and then on a minimum ten acre plot.
I have yet to encounter a domesticated shellfish.
False statements have been made throughout as to use of improvements
on the property and the C.O.'s issued due not provide for
either the present or proposed uses.
(8)
The Board of Assessors has neglected its duty to inspect
the property. After ten year. property is still assessed
as a one family dwelling.
For the Board to have protraced these hearings to this exten~
in face of the information a~ailable to it and brought to
its attention, constitutes an unse~,~ly charade.
In anticipation of a prompt and complete rejection of this
application, I remain,
F. M. Flynn
Andre Moraillon
375 Akerly Pond Lane
Southold, New York 11971
May 28, 1992
Mr. Gerard P. Goehringer
Chairman
Board of Appeals
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
PO Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Dear Mr. Goehringer,
I have received the Notice of Hearings to be held on June 4th, during
which Arthur G. Carlson's Appeal for Interpretation will be discussed.
I will not be able to attend the proceedings on June 4th, as I will be
overseas on assignment at that time.
However, I wish to submit the following com~nents to the Board before the
hearing.
My neighbors and I originally became aware of Mr. Carlson's seafood pro-
cessing activities on Lower Road when highly foul and nauseating odors
drifted from his property onto ours. Excessive noise from early morning
truck traffic in and out of his property also created an unwarranted
nuisance.
I expect that the Board's ruling on the Carlson matter on June 4th will
respect our rights as Southold residents not to be further subjected
to these illegal intrusions into our respective properties.
Further-mo~e,I sincerely hope that the Board's ruling will be based on
strict observance of Southold Town Codes and Regulations so that all par-
ties concerned will receive just satisfaction. This in turn will make
further discussion or action on this matter unnecessary.
I thank you in advance for taking these comments into consideration.
Very truly yours,
Andre Moraillon
Mr. G~P. Goehringer, Board Members, and interested Ladies and
Gentlemen:
My name is Arthur Carlson. I would like t~'.take a few
moments to speak about the purpose of this hearing. I've lived
in Southold Township for 54 years and there are currently four
generations 6f my family living in the Township. My son and I
have run a small, family wholesale seafood business on my property
for almost twenty years. I keep the property clean. There are
no run-down buildings, no rusted cars or other machinery, and
no useless pieces of equipment lying around. People have been
misinformed, and the hearsay that my intentions are to expand
is unfounded and completely false.
The impending hearing is taking place because one of my
neighbors filed an official complaint stating persistent loud
noise, heavy traffic, and odors. Several members of your own
boar~, the Town Board, and other officials have visited the
property both during working and non-working hours. All visitors
have found the alleged violations to be non-existent. We own
only a small pickup truck and one van. These two vehicles and
the occasional baymen constitute all of our traffic. This is
very little compared to the busy medical offices only one block
away. Though odor has never been a problem, we have installed a
large exhaust fan at the peak of the large barn to exhaust
steam out at a higher point, therefore eliminating any possible
odor problems. The barns and surrounding work areas are scrubbed
and disinfected after every workday. We are duly licensed and
regularly inspected by both the N.Y.S. Dept. of Enviornmental
Conservation and the Dept. of Agra. culture. We have never been
cited fora violation by either department. Our well water is
sampled and tested ~every year as per request of the above mentioned
departments
The seafood we process and package is produced locally by
Southold Town Baymen. It is then sold and delivered to markets
outside the Southold Town area. This subsequently brings in
new money to circulate within the economy of Southold. We feel
that we provide a great service to the Baymen, which have meant
so much to this town, and to the town itself.
I consider this to be a "Nuisance Complaint" because both
the initial and the follow-up complaints were submitted by a
person who has had an ongoing verbal confrontation with a
member of my family. This is his way of attempting to get even.
I have drafted a letter, and have the signatures of fourteen
occupants (constituting five out of seven neighboring homes)
resi~ing'within one block of my property on both Ackerly Pond
Lane and Lower Road. The signatures testify that they see
absolutely no basis for the alleged violations. Copies are
available.
It would cause great hardship on both myself and my family,
as well as the baymen who bring their catches here, should this
petition be denied. Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
Arthur G. Carlson
To Whom It May Gone~
We~ ~he undersigned neighbors
on Lower Road or Aekerly Po~d L~fl~
of Arthur Ga~lsOnjliving
Southold~ dO'h~a~by stat~
that there have not been any loud Noises or nogiou~ odors
emam,ttng from his property ih ~e~nt months,
Intro.WRes. No. 1597-88
Introduced by Legislator Thiele, Romaine
Laid on Table 6/28/88
RESOLUTION NO. 912 - 198 8, 'ADOPTING LOCAL.LAW
NO. 30 YEAR 1984, A LOCAL LAW TO PROTECT
RIGHT TO FISH WITHIN THE COUNTY OF SUFFOLK
WHEREAS, there was duly presented and introduced to this County
5egislature at a regular meeting held on July 12 , 198 8, a proposed law
~ntitled, "A LOCAL LAW TO PROTECT RIGHT TO FISH WITHIN THE COUNTY OF SUFFOLK",
said local law in final form is the same as when presented and introduced; now,
aherefore, be it
RESOLVED, that said local law be enacted in form as follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. 30 YEAR 1988, SUFFOLK COUNTY, NEW YORK
A LOCAL LAW TO PROTECT RIGHT TO FISH WITHIN THE COUNTY OF SUFFOLK
BE IT ENACTED BY THE COUNTY LEGISLATURE OF THE COUNTY OF SUFFOLK as
~ollows:
~ection 1. Legislative Intent
It is the declared policy of the County of Suffolk to conserve, protect
~nd encourage the use of its fishing resources for the production and sale of
food and other related products. This Legislature finds that approximately 90%
~f the fish processing is performed outside of the County of Suffolk. ~his
~egislature also finds that when fishing activities extend into newly developed
~reas, such fishing process operations often become the subject of nuisance
~uits. As a result, commercial.fish processing operations~are sometimes forced
:o cease operations while many others are discouraged from making investments in
improvements.
This Legislature further finds that whatever nuisance may be caused to
)thers by such uses and activities so conducted is more than offset by the
benefits from fishing and fish processing to the County's economy and way of
life and to society in general from the economic and social benefits derived
~rom maintaining a viable fishing industry on Long Island.
Therefore, the purpose of this law is to reduce the loss to the County of
its fishing resources by limiting the circumstances under which fishing and fish
)rocessing may be deemed to be a nui.~ance.
~ection 2. Definitions
A.) "Fish" shall mean all varieties of the super-class Pisces, including
~11 shellfish.
B.)
~hel ifis'h.
"Food fish" shall mean all species of edible fish, including all
C.) "Fishing" shall mean the taking, killing, netting, capturing or
~ithdrawal of fish or food fish from the waters of this County for commercial
)urposes, by any means, including every attempt to take and every act of
~ssistance to any other person in taking or attempting to take fish. For the
purpose of .this law, "fishing" shall not include recreational fishing
~ctivities.
~ection 3. Restrictions on Public Nuisance Actions A~ainst Fishing Operations
Notwithstanding any other provision of this law, fishing and fish
>rocessing activities conducted within the County of Suffolk, if consistent with
~ound fishing practices and established prior to surrounding non-fishing
~ctivities, shall be deemed to be reasonable and shall not constitute a public
uisance unless the activity has a substantially adverse effect on the public
~ealth and safety. No fishing or fish processing operation, resulting from
hanged conditions in, adjacent to, or surrounding the fishing or fish
.rocessing operation, shall be the subject of a public nuisance action if such
ishing or fish processing operations has been in existence for one (1) year or
~ore prior to the changed condition and has not been declared to be a nuisance
y a pertinent State or municipal commission, local health office, local board
e'~ he~alth~, or court of com ant jurisdiction at the e that such operation
commenged.
Section 4. Certain Actions Not Affected
The provisions of Section 3 of this law shall not defeat the right of any
individual, firm, business, partnership, or corporation to recover damages for
any injuries or damages sustained by them on account of any pollution of, or
change in condition of, the waters of any stream or on account of any overflow
of lands of any such individual, firm, business, partnership, or corporation if
such pollution, change, or overflow is the direct result of the fishing or fish
processing activity.
Section 5. Prior Actions Not Affected
..... This law shall not affect actions commenced prior to the effective date
hereof.
Section 6. SEQRA Determination
This Legislature, being the State Environmental Quality P~ view Act
(SEQRA) lead agen~t, hereby finds and determines that this law constitutes and
unlisted action pursuant to Section 617 of the New York Code of Rules and
Regulations (NYCRR) which will not have a siqnificant effect on the environment
for the following reasons:
Simply provides guidelines and parameters regarding the nature of
what constitutes a public nuisance;
Nuisance actions are not barred or precluded in instances or
cases in which actual direct damages can be demonstrated to have
resulted from the fishing or fish;
®
Proposed action will not e:~eed any of the criteria in Section
617.11 of Title -6 NYCRR which sets forth thresholds for
determining significant effect on the environment;
The Suffolk County Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ)
~irected to circulate any appropriate SEQRA notices of determination
applicability or non-significance in accordance with this law.
Section 7. Severability
is hereby
of non-
If any part of or provisions of this law, or the application thereof to
any person or circumstance shall be adjudged invalid by any court of competent
jurisdiction, such judgment shall be confined in its operation to the part of or
provision of or application directly involved in the controversy in which such
judgment shall have been rendered and shall not affect or impair the validity of
the remainder of this law, or the application thereof to other persons or
circumstances.
Section 8. Effective Date
This law shall take effect immediately upon filing in the office of the
Secretary of State·
DATED: September 28 ,//~
Co~n~' Executive of Suffolk/county after a public heamin§ duly held on
/--
10/11/88 & Date of Approval:/~/~x~/~? Fi]ed with the Secretary of State on 12/19/88.
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTr L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Enclosed herewith as confirmation of the time, date and
place of the public hearing concerning your recent application is
a copy of the Legal Notice, as published in the Long Island
Traveler-Watchman, Inc. and Suffolk Times, Inc.
Please have someone appear in your behalf at the time
specified in the event there are questions brought up during the
same and in order to prevent a delay in the processing of your
application. Your public hearing will not start before the time
allotted in the attached Legal Notice. Additional time will, of
course, be available. A drafted or final written copy of your
presentation, if lengthy, is always appreciated.
Please feel free to call our office prior to the hearing
date if you have any questions or wish to update your file.
Yours very truly,
Enclosure
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
By Linda Kowalski
SOUTHOLDCODE
§ 100-13
persons eighteen (18) years of age or older, exclusive of
domestic servants, not related by blood, marriage or adoption
shall not be considered a "family."
FARM -- A site or series of adjoining parcels under single
ownership or management devoted to agricultural use.
FARM BUILDINGS -- All structures useful or necessary for
the conduct of agricultural activities, including but not limited
to barns, silos, mechanical equipment storage sheds, animal
pens or other shelters.
FENCE -- A vertical enclosure, solid or partially open, to
prevent straying from within or intrusion from without or
intended to be used as a visual screen. A "fence" is considered
a structure for the purposes of this chapter.
FISH PROCESSING -- The readying of fish and shellfish for
shipping to market, including icing, cleaning, filleting,
shucking and the cooking of crabs or lobster, but not including
other cooking, canning, freezing, smoking or other f'mh factory
operations.
FLOOD HAZARD AREA -- Land in the floodplain subject to
a one-percent or greater chance of flooding in any given year.
FLOODPLAIN -- The relatively fiat area or low lands adjoin-
ing the channel of a river, stream, watercourse, canal or any
body of standing water which has been or may be covered by
floodwater.
FLOOR AREA -- The sum of the gross horizontal areas of ali
floors of the building or buildings on a lot, having a clear
height of not ]ess than six (6) feet measured from the exterior
faces of exterior walls or from the center line of party walls
separating two (2) buildings, including cellar and basement
areas. The "floor area" shall not include roof overhangs
projecting less than three (3) feet or any floors or portions
thereof contained on terraces or balconies projecting beyond
the exterior face of the building.
10020 s- 25- ~o
§ 100-191
SOUTHOLD CODE
§ 100-191
Type of Use
Fish market, including whole-
sale and retail sale of finfish
and/or shellfish
Food processing and packaging
including fish processing
Fraternal or social office or
meeting hall
Funeral home
Gasoline service station, partial
self-service
Gasoline service station with mi-
nor indoor repair facility
Greenhouse, floral shop, flower
shop, nursery or similar facility,
either enclosed or unenclosed
Home occupation, including
home professional office, except
physician or dentist
Hospital
Hotel or motel, resort and tran-
sient
Required Number of
Parking Spaces
1 space per 200 square feet of
gross floor area
0.75 space per employee or 1
space per 500 square feet of
gross floor area, whichever is
greater
1 space for each 3 seats pro-
vided therein or 1 space for
each 100 square feet of space
available for public use, which-
ever is greater, with a minimum
of 25 spaces
3-space queuing area for each
pump, plus I space for each em-
ployee
Same as gasoline service station
above, plus 2 for each bay
i spsf.~e per employee, plus 3
spaces, or 1 space per 200
square feet of sales and/or dis-
play area, whichever is greater
3 spaces per home occupation,
plus 2 spaces required for sin-
gle-family residence
1 space for each bed
I space for each guest room and
1 for each employee or 1 space
per guest room, whichever is
greater, plus accessory use
parking as required
10106
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§ 100-13 ZONING § 100-13
§ 100-13. Definitions. [Amended 7-31-73]
A. Word usage. Words used in the present tense include the
future: the singular number includes the plural, and the plural
the singular; the word "person" includes a corporation as well
as an individual; the word "lot" includes the word "plot"; the
term "occupied" or "used," as applied to any building, shall be
construed as though followed by the words "or intended,
arranged or designed to be occupied or used."
B. [Amended 10-26-76 by L.L. No. 5-1976; 4-11-78 by L.L.
No. 2-1978; 2-1-83 by L.L. No. 2-1983; 1-21-86 by L.L. No.
1-1986; 5-17-88 by L.L. No. 14-1988; 8-23-88 by L.L. No.
20-1988; 1-10-89 by L.L. No. 1-1989] Definitions and usages.
Unless otherwise expressly stated, the following terms shall,
for the purpose of this chapter, have the meanings as herein
defined. Any word or term not noted below shall be used with
a meaning as defined in WebsteFs Third New International
Dictionary of the English Language, unabridged (or~ latest
edition).
ACCESS -- A physical entrance to property.
ACCESSORY APARTMENT -- A dwelling unit created in a
presently existing one-family dwelling pursuant to § 100-
31B(14).
ACCESSORY BUILDING OR STRUCTURE -- A building
or structure detached from a principal building located on the
same lot as and customarily incidental and subordinate to the
principal building.
ACCESSORY USE -- A use customarily incidental and sub-
ordinate to the main use on a lot, whether such "accessory use"
is conducted in a principal or accessory building.
ADDITION -- A structure added to the original structure at
some time after the completion of the original.
AGRICULTURE -- The production, keeping or maintenance,
for sale. lease or personal use, of plants and animals useful to
man. including but not limited to forages and sod crops; grains
and seed crops; dairy animals and dairy preduets; poultry and
poultry products; livestock, including beef cattle, sheep, swine,
10013 s-zs-~o
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Public Hearing
Southold ZBA
6/30/92
APPEAL # 3975
Applicant(s): Arthur G. Carlson
Location of Property: 1575 Lower Road, Southold
County Tax Map No.: 1000-
The Chairman opened the hearing at 7:46 p.m. and read the
Legal Notice and application for the record.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: The next hearing, the 7:45 hearing is the
application of Arthur G. Carlson and this has been recessed from a
prior meeting, we had one surrounding or contiguous property owner that
had come in requesting, actually didn't request, I had invited him and
I did get a call from the gentleman. And he is out the Country again,
and we said we would only take testimony from you and he and if you.
have anything that you would like to add for the record, we would be
very happy to accept it, close the hearing, seal it, and then start
deliberating.
MR. GOGGINS: Okay, will the letter be made part of the hearing?
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: His letter?
BOARD SECRETARY: It has been.
MR. GOGGINS:Okay. I remember he was to brought here, which I
remember to be strictly for a factual inquiry as to the allegations
made about noxious odors. And, if he hasn't appeared, Mr. Carlson just
gave me a copy of the letter dated June 28th that he submitted, and
they aren't any factual allegations of any noxious odors. It is just a
bunch of quasi-legai conclusions about what is right and what it
wrong. But the issue, I think, was whether noxious odors eminated from
the premises and there has been no showing. And, in fact, Mr. Klos,
the adjacent property owner, who is so concerned about his property and
the smells eminating, ailegedly eminating from Carlson residence, I
mean, he should have gone here, he hasn't shown up for any others. The
other property, adjacent property owner that we are talking about now,
he hasn't shown up for any of them. The only one that seems to have
any real interest is Mr. Flynn, who lives on the other side on Town,
five (5) miles away. So, I think the issue of noxious odors is almost
a non-issue, because nothing has been presented here which indicates
noxious odors have eminated from the premises. I am sure there is some
smell, there's got to be, but as far as them being noxious and carrying
over to the other premises, I think it is important for the Board to
note that, there hasn't been any testimony to that effect.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: I did, for the record, just want to tell you,
this gentleman did call me, Mr. Moraillon. And, I had only questioned
him briefly on the phone in the method that he had taken in writing the
letter to the newspaper and my responding to it and so on and so
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CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER (con't.): forth. He felt that he was in his right
to do so, and I said, I agree with him, he certainly was within his
right. And it was my right to to answer him. And that was basically
the extent of the discussion. There really was not much of any other
discussion. And he did tell me that he would write the letter, the
file letter, which, of course, we did receive and you are aware of and
so on and so forth. The only thing that I have not, and of course the
audience is not aware of, but, except for the people that were at the
last hearing, but, I have not again seen the conch steaming. So, again
I request that within the next couple of weeks, just give us a call and
let us know what day you are doing it or what evening or whatever, and
we can just zip right down there. And, it would be greatly appreciated.
We are not to deliberate on this hearing tonight, I can tell you that
right now. Because I sufficiently don't think that I am ready to do so
until I see that, okay? And that is basically the situation.
MR. GOGGINS: As far as the nine (9) page letter submitted by Mr.
Flynn and his current letter by Mr. Moraillon, the only problem I have
with it's submission, is the fact that I can't confront him with the
allegations he makes. And that is where a big problem in credibility
and due process is concerned.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Why don't you do this then. Why don't you
confront him by letter, okay. And then let him respond by letter and
we will put those letters in the file.
MR. GOGGINS: Alright, that is fair.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Okay?
MR. GOGGINS: Okay.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: I really don't mean to continue this hearing, I
am going to seal the hearing at this point, but I am not going to close
it tonight. I am going to close it on the 30th, the 29th. I am not
closing it until the 29th.
BOARD SECRETARY: If anything else comes in, in writing, we will have
to accept it (in the mean time).
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: We want to accept it, because he wants to
confront... Let us do this, let us not seal it at this point. We are
going to leave it open, just briefly. If he should happen to 'show up
after you write him the letter and he wants to say something on
July 30 -- July 29th, right?
BOARD SECRETARY: Right.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: The 29th of July, then we will let him do so, if
he wants to, but at least you will have an attempt anyway to confront
him, I am talking about Mr. MoraiIlon. You will have an attempt, at
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER (con't.): least by writing, and maybe he will
come back down or whatever the case maybe.
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MR. GOGGINS: Or apply by writing. I just don't want it to be a paper
chase, because it seems that's what it has been. If I put in an
opposition, I am going to get another twenty (20) page, ten (10) or
twenty (20) page response from Mr. Flynn, Mr. Moraillon, we will copy
it. It is pointless, because it is just bunch of allegations going
back and forth. Maybe I should talk with Mr. Carlson for a moment and
see if he wants to seal it now and just get it over with or whether he
would like us to oppose.
CLAUDE CARLSON: I would like to seal it. I don't see any point in
going back and forth with more paper work. I think all the questions
have been answered. I think they have all the information they need.
MR. GOGGINS: Okay, we request that the hearing be closed to all
responses.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Let me just ask the Board. Is there anything
that you guys think that you might want to deal with from the applicant
after we see the conches being steamed? Now remember, this hearing is
an interpretation, okay, we are comparing aquaculture and farming,
okay. If that is the case, I have all intentions of having a special
meeting, okay, to discuss the new procedures that start on July 1st,
sometime around the middle of the month, so we could always close it at
that meeting, you know, if you want. You want to close it then, or do
you want to close it now?
BOARD SECRETARY: Well, we could re-advertise it and re-open it, if
it is necessary.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: We could do that too. Okay, let us do that.
MR. GOGGINS: What are we going to do?
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: We will close it. Okay, if need be, after we
see the procedure and we have to, we can always readvertise it. They
will be no deliberation on this until well after that, so that I can
tell you right now that we are not going to deliberate until the 30th
of July.
MR. GOGGINS: Okay, as far as the Board coming out to see the conch
operation, what is convenient to the Board? Early evening or...
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Early evening, any time after 4:30 pm., 5:00 pm.
is alright with me. I don't work then.
MR. CARLSON: We haven't been doing any of that lately. We are
usualiy done by 4:00 p.m.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Okay. Any specific days, Claude, that you do it?
MR. CARLSON: No, it depends on weather and production, but I can call
you after the weekend on whatever it would be, like on the 6th or
something and tell you it would be Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday,
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whichever day you want to come. It will be at least three (3) days
that we will be working. YOU can pick whichever day you want, anytime
between a three (3) hour period basically.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Okay, as long as I come between 1:00 and 4:00 or
something like that.
MR. CARLSON: Right. I can call you and tell you which days we will
be operating between which hours, and you can come anytime you like.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: That is great, terrific.
MR. CARLSON: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Thank you. Hearing no further comment, I make a
motion closing the hearing, reserving decision until after we observe
the remaining operation.
End of hearing.
Lorraine A. Miller
(Transcribed by tapes recorded 6/30/92)
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Public Hearing
Southold ZBA 6/4/92
APPEAL # 3975
Applicant(s): Arthur G. Carlson
Location of Property: 1575 Lower Road, Southold, NY
County Tax Map No.: 1000-69-5-13.2
11971
The Chairman opened this hearing at 8:46 p.m.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Okay, that brings us to the final hearing of the
evening, which is recessed hearing I believe from March 25th of the
year of 1992 and that is the Arthur G. Carlson hearing. At that time,
I believe we were swearing people in and we will go back now to the
attorney and we will ask him if he would again state his name and tell
us what he would like to do tonight.
MR. WILLIAM GOGGINS: I am William Goggins of the law firm of McNulty
and Speiss located in Riverhead, NY. I believe that at the end of the
last hearing, the Chairman requested that we come back and present some
information illustrating the process of potatoes and how those potatoes
are processed and put to market, so we could make an analogy to
determine the similarities and distinguish the difference between
agriculture and aquaculture. And, to that end I have two (2) people
here willing to testify--one is a Mr. Sam McCullough, another one is a
Henry Romanowski. And, if it pleases the Board, I would like to bring
up Mr. McCullough up to speak on the process of potatoes.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Are you going to be asking him questions.
MR. GOGGINS: No. I was going to leave it to the Board to do that.
If you want, I can ask the questions. We did it in response to your
inquiry, but if you want, I can do that.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Why don't you ask him some questions and then I
will illicit some interests that we have. How do you do, sir. Could
you state your name for the record and tell us what your business is.
MR. SAM McCULLOUGH: My name is Sam McCullough. I am currently the
vineyard manager for Lenz Winery in Peconic. I reside in Cutchogue.
have a fair amount of background in agriculture on the North Fork. I
grew up here from the age of 11 or 12, worked on a truck farm, potato
farm. I studied horticulture at Colorado State University in Fort
Collins, Colorado and then returned here in 1983 to go into the wine
business. And I have worked for Lenz Vineyard in their installation,
management, and consulting business. I have my own management business
for four (4) years and then I went to work at Lenz Winery, who have
been one of my clients, when I had my management business. I am
currently employed there now.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Do you solemnly swear everything you are about
to say is the truth to the best of your knowledge.
MR. McCULLOUGH: Yes I do.
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CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Okay, just to recap this thing briefly.
have had a type, certain types of applications, okay regarding this
particular business on this particular site, okay. The most recent
application that we had acted on which was the March 25th one, was an
interpretation on how agriculture and aquaculture interrelate. Okay,
and that is basically an area that we are going to be dealing with in
reference to either an interpretation or just a flat out statement
concerning the request of this applicant or the agent for the applicant
who is this attorney. Is there anything, Bill, that you want to ask
him again before -- You have a specific thing you want to say, I
presume.
We
MR. McCULLOUGH: I don't actually have a prepared statement.
understood that I would be answering questions.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Okay.
MR. GOGGINS: Last time we were here, the Carlsons, they
explained the process of their business and I explained to you earlier
today. And basically, I think what the Board wants to know is, they
want to determine what a farmer does with a potato when he takes it out
of the ground. And what happens at the time when he takes is out of
the ground and gets it to market. Do you have any experience working
on farms with potatoes and so forth?
MR. McCULLOUGH: Yes I do.
MR. GOGGINS: Could you tell the Board and the people here tonight
the process of the distributing of the potato and so forth.
MR. McCULLOUGH: Sure. In my experience, which is not up to
minute but it is reasonably recent history at least. We would dig the
potatoes with the combine, do some presorting on the combine, load
the potatoes into a bulk truck. This was all an automated process. We
would then either market at that point, by taking a truck load of
potatoes to a grader who would, the process would include grading and
distribution, or depending on prices, we would store them to wait for a
better price -- hopefully a better price. And the storing process, we
would take our load of potatoes to wherever our barn was and sort the
potatoes again, cleaning out any rotten potatoes, dirt, defective
potatoes--either they would be green or cut, bruised badly. Fill up a
barn. At that point, we would treat potatoes with a sprout inhibitor,
usually in form of a gas, the exact chemical name of that at this point
I can't remember. Then we would store the potatoes in a temperature
controlled layup until such time as the price was attractive to sell
a little bit more, until such time that it was late enough in the
season, we would just have to get rid of it.
MR. GOGGINS: But, when it came time for, to sell them, what
they do with the potato at that point.
the
would
MR. McCULLOUGH: Okay. At that point, we did not actually pack
potatoes and ship them. We would either move them. We would move them
to one of the local packers which, there were several packing
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MR. McCULL.OUGH (con't.): ~ ,- ~
business~s-~$acks.andl Sons was one; SchumJnns, we would take them to.
~[nd then there were other farmers that also packaged, sorted and
packaged potatoes for other growers. They weren't actually, I think,
official distributors, but a fair amount of this went o~ in a business
where some of the other growers, who with these types of things,
guess it is a good idea to keep everybody nameless. But some farmers
had all the packaging equipment and facility to do this in, so they
would actually be doing packaging from the growers. What happens in
that case, is the potatoes are loaded back on the truck from the
storage, taken to wherever the grading facility is, they are taken
off. They are first sorted for any defects, then they are graded by
size. They are either washed or simply brushed. And all potatoes that
leave Long Island have to be treated in someway to prevent the spread
of the golden nematode to other growing areas. Sorted by size, this is
all a mechanical operation, conveyors with a series of chains with
different size holes, large potatoes stay on the top and they are
parted off in one direction, the smaller potatoes are taken off in the
other direction. They tyke them to an automatic bagging equipment,
where they are put into bags from a conveyor, automatically weighed,
kick off the scales, and the bags are taken away and sewed all up. And
then somebody stacks them on pallets and then they are loaded on a
truck.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Can I ask a question, Bill?
MR. GOGGINS: Sure.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: At any time, was the physical characteristic
of the potato changed.
MR. McCULLOUGH: In other words was it ....
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Skinned.
MR. McCULLOUGH: No, they are not skinned, they are not cooked, or
anything like that.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: By the act of washing the potato or whatever
act or form that was done prior to either bulk grading or whatever the
case might be and packaging or just sent in. You know, the normal big
pallet size with the walls on it, okay. Did the scrubbing action or
the washing action change the physical characteristic of the potato?
MR. McCULLOUGH: It doesn't change the physical characteristic
the potato, but what it does, it renders it marketable. Without doing
that, you can't sell it anywhere but locally. And it is an essential
process in selling, but it does not change it into anything other than
a potato.
of
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: The nature of the growing of this potato on
the farms that you have worked on, were they necessarily all grown on
site, or did the farmer rent other land where he would bring the
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MR. McCULLOUGH (con't.):businesses--Sacks and Sons was one; Schumanns
we would take them to. And then there were other farmers that also
packaged, sorted and packaged potatoes for other growers. They weren't
actually, I think, official distributors, but a fair amount of this
went on in a business where some of the other growers, who with these
types of things, I guess it is a good idea to keep everybody nameless.
But some farmers had all the packaging equipment and facility to do
this in, so they would actually be doing packaging from the growers.
What happens in that case, is the potatoes are loaded back on the truck
from the storage, taken to wherever the grading facility is, they are
taken off. They are first sorted for any defects, then they are graded
by size. They are either washed or simply brushed. And all potatoes
that leave Long Island have to be treated in someway to prevent the
spread of the golden nematode to other growing areas. Sorted by size,
this is all a mechanical operation, conveyors with a series of chains
with different size holes, large potatoes stay on the top and they are
parted off in one direction, the smaller potatoes are taken off in the
other direction. They take them to an automatic bagging equipment,
where they are put into bags from a conveyor, automatically weighed,
kick off the scales, and the bags are taken away and sewed all up. And
then somebody stacks them on pallets and then they are loaded on a
truck.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Can I ask a question, Bill?
MR. GOGGINS: Sure.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: At any time, was the physical characteristic
of the potato changed.
MR. McCULLOUGH: In other words was it ....
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Skinned.
MR. McCULLOUGH: No, they are not skinned, they are not cooked, or
anything like that.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: By the act of washing the potato or whatever
act or form that was done prior to either bulk grading or whatever the
case might be and packaging or just sent in. You know, the normai big
pallet size with the walls on it, okay. Did the scrubbing action or
the washing action change the physical characteristic of the potato?
MR. McCULLOUGH: It doesn't change the physical characteristic
the potato, but what it does, it renders it marketable. Without doing
that, you can't sell it anywhere but locally. And it is an essential
process in selling, but it does not change it into anything other than
a potato.
of
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: The nature of the growing of this potato
the farms that you have worked on, were they necessarily all grown on
site, or did the farmer rent other land where he would bring the
potatoes to the site where he either rented the barn or owner the barn
to do this activity?
on
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MR. McCULLOUGH: Well, we were actually on the opposite end of that,
in that we brought our potatoes to other sites. We...
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Okay.
the storage of the potato...
In other words, you didn't actually do
MR. McCULLOUGH: We did the storage. In fact in was all on rented
land. And we rented the storage which was up near, where Capt. Kidd
Estates is now in Mattituck. And it depended on who was getting the
best price, we would go to anybody who was packing potatoes.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Alright, okay.
MR. McCULLOUGH: And there are several growers who do package
potatoes for other people.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Right.
MR. GOGGINS: So, what you are saying is that there are some
farmers that grow potatoes, but they don't have storage facilities on
site and they don't have the capability to package them on site.
MR. McCULLOUGH: Absolutely.
MR. GOGGINS: And they have to bring them to a local wholesaler.
MR. McCULLOUGH: Yes.
MR. GOGGINS: Okay, and then there are other farmers who have
storage capacity, but they don't have enough for their whole harvest
and so they might store some on site and some elsewhere.
MR. McCULLOUGH: Right.
some
MR. GOGGINS: Or, even sell some directly to the wholesaler.
MR. McCULLOUGH: Normally there is a combination of marketing
storing going on at the same time. It would be foolish for every
potato grower to take all of his potatoes and put them on the market at
once. Prices drop very rapidly.
and
MR. GOGGINS: Are there, there must be also some farmers that do
everything on site. They grow it, they store it, they process it,
package and distribute it. Is that right also?
MR. McCULLOUGH: Yes.
MR. GOGGINS: Are there also other farmers without naming anyone,
that, or people who used to be farmers, that used to be in the business
that strictly wholesaled without doing any actual growing.
MR. McCULLOUGH: I think there probably is one and there are
several who primarily who have gotten into related areas of the
business where they are not ..... making .....
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MR. GOGGINS: .... they are not growing ....
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: You are referring to a potato broker now as
opposed to a person that ....
MR. GOGGINS: Broker or a commissioned merchant. I don't know what
you would call them. I am not really familiar with them.
MR. McCULLOUGH: Are we speaking specifically to potatoes or all
other processes in general.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: No, it could be almost any crop, the physical
characteristic would not necessarily change. An example would be
brussel sprouts. If the physical characteristic of the brussel
sprout is changed, not the sprout itself, but it is taken off the stalk
and usually packed in a container or a box. So, in that particular
case, we have a change.
MR. McCULLOUGH: In that case, potatoes, the physical
characteristics are that they take them from a great big pile and put
in bags. And I think that that is a fairly good-
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Synonymous type of thing.
MR. MeCULLOUGH: ...good analogy actually. It is packaging.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER:. During the period of the time that I assisted
the Mattituck Lions Club and their use of the Agway building in
Mattituck, the east side of that building, the detached portion of that
building on Old Sound Avenue which is now rented to Chris Rehm,
handled a large packaging operation, okay. The farmer that you worked
for, did he ship any of these potatoes to Agway...
MR. McCULLOUGH: Rarely through Agway. That was something of a
last resort.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Okay.
MR. McCULLOUGH: Most commonly we used Farmer Sacks.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: But again for the products that were grown
either on site, be them any type of produce, the physical
characteristics rarely changed except for the two (2) analogies that we
just used, which is the scrubbing action and No. 2--the brussel
sprouts which are taken off the stalk by manual labor and then placed
in a container.
MR. McCULLOUGH: Yea, at that time, the farm that I was working on,
we grew string beans, which were basicaliy put in baskets and shipped;
cucumbers, which again were put in baskets or boxes and shipped;
peppers would be put in boxes and shipped. We always took those to one
of the local truckers.
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CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Right.
of the gentlemen that...
Like the one on
MR. MeCULLOUGH: George Alee most commonly.
Depot Lane or one (1)
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Were the cucumbers ever waxed prior to their
shipment?
MR. McCULLOUGH: Occasionally, but it didn't seem to merit the
effort to do it so, normally what we would do is just wash them, pack
them, and send them out. We waxed them for a little while but it
didn't bring any extra money, so it wasn't worth doing.
MR. GOGGINS: I was going to get into that, too, the other type of
farm products like cauliflower. What do they do with cauliflower when
they take that from the ground? Or how do they take it from the
ground, how do they package it and so forth?
MR. MeCULLOUGH: It is cut from the stem. The leaves are cut off
the top. It is packed in typically a wooden crate, sort of a trademark
of Long Island cauliflower. It is just packed in a crate and shipped.
MR. GOGGINS: Do they string it or tie it in anyway?
MR. McCULLOUGH: Normally no. I believe that some of the stores
that are working on contracts with some of the local growers, are
requesting different packaging because our traditional package here is
a little bit of a handling problem. They got a lot of waste, they get
extra leaves, which are due for cushioning cauliflower and shipping,
but they are a nuisance to handle when you unpack it at the grocery
store and they have got these wooden crates. And what you typically
see in the stores are cauliflowers that are trimmed very close. They
have got a few leaves left on it, very short, wrapped in cellophane.
And that is always done by the grower or the packer. That is a little
bit more advanced than, I guess, what is common around here, but there
is some of that going on and I believe that is probably the way things
are going.
MR. GOGGINS: I know that this isn't on point. You said you worked
for the wineries, how do they do what the wineries do, when they pull
the grapes from the vines and so forth. How does that processing go?
If you want a more involved process, you are now going into something
that is much more involved. The grapes are picked either by hand or by
machine. The hand picked grapes are brought into the winery in plastic
tubs at which point they are put through a machine which crushes the
grapes and removes the stems. At that point, they are pumped into a
tank and inoculated with a yeast. At this point, they ferment and
depending on the grapes, it may be anywhere from three or four (3 or 4)
days to three or four (3 or 4) weeks, at which point, most of the
sediment is settled out of what used to be grape juice and is now young
wine, transferred into another tank, the sediment is taken out,
disposed of, usually out in the fields, most commonly, relatively rich
in nutrients. At this point, there is a series of changes that take
place in the wine, they are fairly technical, but the acid chemistry of
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MR. GOGGINS (con't):the wine is manipulated so it will be stable, so
it won't precipitate, but it will snowflake like by passing bitartrate
crystals and bottling, and if you chill it. It stabilized so the
protein won't precipitate out of it, if it gets too warm. And that is
done with bentonite, which is just mixed in the powder with the wine.
It aggregates the various protein molecules and they settle out. Each
time anything is settled out of wine, it is transferred to another
tank, so whatever is fallen out of it can be taken away. After that,
most wines that we are producing out here are aged in oak barrels for a
period of time, anywhere from three or four (3 or 4) months to two and
two one-half (2 and 2 1/2) years. Once the wine has been determined
stable and it's pick up the right flavors from the oak. And the wine
maker, who is sort of magician at times, has decided it tastes the way
he wants it to taste. The only thing left to do is bottle it. And, it
is quite an integrate machine that automatically bottles the wine.
The bottles are put into one end, wine is pumped into the machine, the
bottles are filled to a closely controlied level, corks are put in,
labels are put on all with one machine. Then the wine is packed in
cardboard cases, placed on pallets and moved to a warehouse either on
the facility or off. If the wine is moved off the facility, you have
to pay a couple of taxes, state tax and all these things down the
line. It's stored for a period of a couple of months to maybe a year
or two. At which point, it is sold. And many of the wineries have
retail facilities where they have for sales, special events. I think
you folks are pretty familiar with some of those.
MR. GOGGINS: As far as the grapes they use, do they use all the
grapes that are on site?
MR. McCULLOUGH: That varies with the wineries. Some wineries
produce all their own grapes. In our case, we produce all of our own
grapes on four (4) different farms, two (2) of which we own, two (2) of
which we lease. Some wineries supplement their own production with
locally produced grapes, and other wineries supplement their own
production with other locally produced grapes, and some grapes that are
produced in either upstate New York or, in one (1) instance, someone
was buying grapes in either northern California or Oregon. So, there
is quite a wide latitude of things that go on that you really can't say
anybody follows a specific set of rules that applies to everybody.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Can I ask a question here? There also comes
a time with the person who owns the vineyard that does not have a
winery. He may request or she may request the use of your crushing
facilities, not necessarily yours, but other wineries in the area.
Their crushing facilities, their installation, the oak barrels and so
on and so forth. And then of course, they probably dispose of it at
that point to their own and then take care of it.
MR. McCULLOUGH: Yes. There is definitely a fair amount of that
that goes on. With the newer wineries, the last three or four (3 or 4)
that come of on line here, they have all had wine made from their own
fruit at different wineries, so that they would have something to
market when they have a winery to open. It is a little difficult to
make money with a winery with no product to sell. It is a huge
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MR. McCULLOUGH (con't.):investment. When you've already have tobuy
a farm, establish a vineyard, then build a winery, you are talking
several hundreds of thousands of dollars here. So, the typical way
people have gotten into this business, is to contract with another
winery to have wine made, so that they will have a marketable product,
at the time they have their winery completed. So typically, what
happens is, for instance, say in 1992, if I am growing grapes and I
plan to build a winery that I would like to open in the fall of '93, I
try to get the winery. I would take my 1992 crop, shop around some of
the other wineries, find somebody who I think would make a wine that I
want at a price that I could afford. Have him make wine for make wine
for 1992 crop, in the meantime, I am building my winery and hopefully
if everything goes right, I can process my own fruit in '93 and about
that time when I have got a completed facility, I will have some of my
1992 wine to sell.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Interesting.
MR. GOGGINS: Yea, it is. I have no further questions of Mr.
McCullough.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: I don't either. We will ask the Board. No.
Thank you so much sir.
MR. McCULLOUGH: You're welcome.
MR. GOGGINS: Thank you, Sam. Next, I am not sure if Henry can add
anything to this.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Oh, I think he can.
MR. GOGGINS: Mr. Henry Romanowski.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Again, state your name for the record and
(Henry Romanowski) and you solemnly swear again to say everything
that you know to the best of your ability and to the truth.
MR. HENRY ROMANOWSKI: Yes, and my name is Henry Romanowski.
I reside in Mattituck.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Go ahead.
MR. GOGGINS: Mr. Romanowski, my understanding is you come from
generation of farmers. Your grandfather was a farmer, your father was
a farmer and you're pretty --, you know a lot about the process of
farming and what it takes to pull potatoes out and everything else.
Can you tell the Board anything about the processing of potatoes that
maybe Mr. McCullough missed, or anything you can add to Mr.
McCuliough's statement, or to confirm anything he spoke to the Board
about.
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MR. ROMANOWSKI: Processing potatoes from, what I have seen from my
father and growing up, we grew potatoes. Bought seed potatoes from
Maine or russet style wherever. Planted them in the ground, harvested
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~R. ROMANOWSKI (CON'T..): it,.getting them out of the ground. Harvesting, we
.we eithe~ put th~m into the c~rain house,~bank.house. Either put
In ~'ive (5), ten(10) pound pile. Either brushing or washing whatever
our broker ever wanted. If not, if there was no sales for them, we
either put them in storage and let them set a couple of, you know, a
couple of months. And then after storage, we would go into our packing
house, would grade from washing machine, brushing potatoes. Would pack
at least three (3) trailers a day, whatever, you know, the customer
ever wanted.
MR. GOGGINS: You had a self-contained farm then.
MR. ROMANOWSKI: Yes.
MR. GOGGINS: You grew the product, packaged it, and distributed it.
MR. ROMANOWSKI: Yes, I did.
MR. GOGGINS: Exactly, what was the process as
stored and you got a market to sell the potatoes.
they processed.
far as after it was
Exactly how were
MR. ROMANOWSKI: They were processed by, if they were in storage,
by bucket loader into our potato trucks and packed into our grader.
Packed in either It was either washed, whatever,
you know, the market was for, whatever they wanted. It was either
washed with a washing machine, which is a high pressure of water over
the potatoes and rolled over sponges or it went over a brusher, which
was like a brush like if you wanted to brush your gas grill or
something. It was very light. The brush was like a wire brush. And
it went from there to a sizer machine, went to either a "B" potato,
which is a very smail potato. They came over and they picked them out
either from the green ones, growth bracks, had knobs on them. Then
they went to a big potato, a jumbo, a very large potato, which was a
shep. It came over that and it went into a bake machine, which
either you could hang five (5) pound, ten (10) pound, fifteen (15), if
you wanted, a twenty (20) pound. When it came out, it was all
automated. It really would scale most of itself. You would either
have to puli two or three (2 or 3) potatoes out, or put three or four
(3 or 4) back in. Pull out the size, whatever you wanted, it was
automated, it would all hang by itself. It would clip itself or sew
itself.
MR. GOGGINS: This is a pretty elaborate process.
MR. ROMANOWSKI: Yes.
MR. GOGGINS: What was it, kind of like a conveyor belt. Where the
conveyor belt... Would the potatoes be on conveyor belt and it would go
through these machines. Is that what it would do?
MR. ROMANOWSKI: Yes. It would come up and it would throw itself
into the bag automatically. It would come up to a three, four (3, 4)
pounds difference on the machine. Come up to size and come around, you
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MR, ROMANOWSKI (con't)': Mould two or three (2 or 3) guy's standing On the machine
pull in and ~throw out the potatoes that are sup_pose to be in or not suppose to
he in. And it.would come out and clip. itself~or "~ ·
sew up on one side. And it would come up and the guys w6uld be put
them in masters, you know four or five (4 or 5) high bags into a fifty
(50) pound bag or ten (10) five pounders. They would throw the fifty
(50) pound bag in there, throw them up in there and scaled and thrown
into the trailer.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: The reason why I eluded to the Agway operation
was because the first time I had seen it was in 1972. And, we of
course, had utilized with the Lion's Club, utilized the building for
the sole purpose of hulling the strawberries for the Strawberry
Festival, okay. I have not spoken to Mr. Romanowski, I do know him
very well, I know his father very well. His father is a fellow Lion's
Club member with me. I observed the Romanowski farm, the
Romanowski bagging operation and pretty much the entire operation
during the period of that I knew his father, and I still know him, but
he is not in the potato business anymore or the growing of the
potatoes. He is not a farmer anymore, okay. In a different sense, he
is doing farming. At that time, Henry, your father was operating on
the family property which was the Main Road in Laurel, but he was
renting a farm, okay. I believe that was up on Bergen Avenue, was it
not?
MR. ROMANOWSKI: Yes.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Okay. So there were potatoes from both areas
taken to those large steel, corrogated steel buildings that you had
in the back of the, of your grandmother's house and that is where the
operation took place. Is that correct?
MR. ROMANOWSKI: Yes.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Okay, the only issue that we have not arrived
at, at this particular time, was the issue of noise or nocuous odor,
okay. To my knowledge that during the period of time that those
conveyors were operating, there was a relatively noisy operation, was
it not?
MR. ROMANOWSKI: Yes.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Okay. Were there any specific
eminating from the washing of the potatoes, other than the dust that
may be flying before it hit the water or whatever the case might be.
odors
MR. ROMANOWSKI: There is always an odor,
smells of potato and this and that. You could
smell that you know.
you know it, you know it
of a
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: What if you stored them in a certain area and
they got rotten. You certainly would have an odor from that area also.
MR. ROMANOWSKI: Yes.
to the
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CHAIRMAN GOEHRiNGE~: Okay, And,' of course, we all 'know what the ~auliflower
field.s~mells like on a re. al hot ~da~, okay, So, basically..there.is some significance
~ifferences that we are talking about here. We have not gone into the
she]]fish area, which we talked about when you two gentlemen weren't
here, okay. We did discuss that germane to this operation in the
nature of this hearing. I don't think I have any further questions,
anybody else on the Board? You have a question. Mr. Dihizio has a
questioN.
MEMBEIt DINIZIO: I just want to know about approximately how large
is the piece of property that you use to process where you have this
machine and these large buildings. Approximately how large is that
piece of property.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: He is talking about the south side on the
north side of the railroad tracks, because the Romanowski farm was
trunkated by the railroad, okay.
MR. ROMANOWSKI: I would say altogether £.xybe five (5) acres.
MEMBER DINIZIO: Thank you. That is all I wanted to know.
MR. GOGGINS: Was it all contained in one building?
MR. ROMANOWSKI: Yes it was.
MR. GOGGINS: If you stood outside the building, while the machine
was operating could you hear it?
MR. ROMANOWSKI: Yes, you could.
MR. GOGGINS: Could you smell it?
MR. ROMANOWSKI: Yes.
MR. GOGGINS: I have no other questions.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: I don't either.
MEMBER DINIZIO: I have a couple more questions. This may be for
you. When you were questioning Mr. McCullough?
MR. GOGGINS: Mr. Cullough, yes.
MEMBER DINIZIO: He said that he wouldn't mention names of certain
farmers that did processing and things such as that. My question is,
why wouldn't he mention the names. I don't want anybody... I mean is
this something that the Town doesn't allow them to do.
MR. GOGGINS: It is not .... I really don't know and I always make
it a practice not to mention someone's name unless I have their
authorization, you know. If someone is doing something illegally on
their site, I don't want to bring attention to it. And I certainly
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MR. GOGGINS (con't.): don!:t want to create problems for anyone. Mr. McCu-llough and I
spoke before and we had talked about the different situations where you would
have a wholesaler that doesn't grow the product on his property. The
guy who had the farm and didn't have enough storage space would send
elsewhere and then the other farmer that had everything, as the
Romanowski's did, and we were drawing out names back and forth and
actually Mr. McCullough brought to, he said I don't think we should
be mentioning names because, you know, it's really not proper. And I
agree. I usually don't.
MEMBER DINIZIO: I not so much worried about who it was, because
have a pretty good idea. I have lived here all my life. But my
question is, is it, is there impropriety there. Do these people think
that they...
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: An example of which is Henry's father.
Because Henry's father operation was in brand new buildings.. And it
was a brand new operation, okay. An operation which existed, correct
me if I am wrong, like from 1975 to 1985, okay. Okay, those were in
brand new steel corrogated buildings. Okay. I don't know if the
bagging machine was new, but the machine in the entire operation was a
cement floor in a really pretty spot was built. Okay because we, that
is where we hold our strawberries every year. We ask Henry's father
for permission. And that is how he became a Mattituck Lion's member.
And that is how we knew the situation came to be. And he got building
permits for the buildings. And we operated this. Nobody ever stopped
his operation did they? Except voluntarily when he went out of
farming. Is that correct?
MR. ROMANOWSKI: Yes. Very right.
MEMBER DINIZIO: I just thought .....
MR. GOGGINS: It is not as if we are saying things that don't exist
or we are saying that farmers go through certain processes and maybe we
are trying to hide it from the Board. It is not that at all. Again, I
don't personally, I don't like to mention names, unless I have
authorization, like June Glover of Glover Farms. I can mention his
name, he was going to come up here tonight, but he had a conflict. And
I am sure he does trucking, and I think he does wholesaling. And he
has a ,whole process there. And I am not sure how big of property is
there, you know. But, I was hoping that he would arrive here tonight
to testify, but he didn't. But anyone else, I don't, I just don't do
that. If the Board would like to adjourn this thing again, ....
MEMBER DINIZIO: No, absolutely not.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Well, it is a good point, but...
MEMBER DINIZIO: I just wanted to clear up in my mind that you
thought that there was some reason that, they wouldn't want their names
for some reason. That the processes that they were doing on their on
their own farms was in some way not recognized as an agriculture use.
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MR. GOGGINS: Well, if there is a situation where there is a guy
that is surely doing wholesaling and he is doing it on a hall acre
piece of property inside a barn and it is not allowed by the Code, I
MR. GOGGINS (con't):don't want to bring up his name and say, well so
and so is on the Main Road in Cutchogue, he is doing it, why can't
we. And then the Board finds out, it gets around Town, all of a sudden
there is a stop work order going over there or whatever. And that is
why we don't like to mention any names or get involved in that ....
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Also, in defense, and again I have, I am
trying to act completely neutral in this. The nature of the fact of
mentioning, Henry mentioning that this property that his father's was,
which was grandfather's, was on five (5) acres. These were massive
buildings. These buildings were five, ten, fifteen thousand (5, 10,
15,000) square feet buildings, okay. These were big buildings, I mean
these buildings could house probably two thousand (2,000) people, if
you put both of them together, you know, standing there. There is a
relative difference between comparing one operation to another, based
upon the size of the building and you know the size of the area.
Because the two (2) buildings probably comprised an acre, you know,
which he had back to back. And I can't emphasize the fact that they
were brand new buildings. These were, you had to know Henry's father,
he only did things one way, and that was first class all the way,
okay. Am I correct?
MR. ROMANOWSKI: Very right.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: I have no further questions. I think you did
a great job.
MR. GOGGINS: Okay, thank you.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Thank you.
MR. GOGGINS: Sam, do you have anything to add?
MR. McCULLOUGH: Actually, yes I do. The agricultural industries
are actually in the case of the fishery industry, which we are really
just getting at here. There are many different things that go on other
than the actual harvesting of the shellfish or the growing of the crops
that complete the whole picture and contribute to the industry to give
you a marketable product. You can't just grow things on your farm and,
some people have farm stands, but then they got parking, they got
retail and they have got their own collection of regulations that they
have to go through. But to have a viable industry, there are many
things that go on other than the actual production. And they are all
related to the production that sells the crop, but they are not
necessarily growing. It is all part of the farming business. We
couldn't just grow wine grapes out here and sell grapes elsewhere. The
cost of real estate is too high, we have to make wine. And over the
years, we have been working on a system thereby we sell along with the
community and make wine. We can sell our wine. We can make wine for
other people, we can do of these things that are contained in their own
code. This is something that has been quite well addressed. It is a
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MR. McCULLOUGH (con't.): relatively a new industry that has been established by
people who have lots of energy, lots of money, tots of ambition to come down and
hash out the problems that they needed to solve, so that we could have'a
~iable industry. And ~iLt is working well.
Some o~' these older inclustries, people, you know, a hundred years ago
were growing potatoes or they were growing corn or they were catching
fish. And everybody just did it the way it was done because that was
how you did it. It is a great circular argument and...
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: That is the reason why we are here, Sam.
that is the whole interest in general okay. The creation of the
Special permit for the winery, okay, was something that was required by
the wine industry, prior to them actually really getting a foothold in
Southold Town.
And
MR. McCULLOUGH: It would be silly to make that type of investment
and not know if you are really going to be able to turn it into a
profitable business.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Well, there are other things that the wine
industry is asking for, similar to what exists in Napa Valley and in
other areas, okay. But this Town has not been willing, and I am not
talking for the Town, I am talking about being a member of that
committee when we first met with you gentlemen.
MR. McCULLOUGH: I am not up here to lobby for the wine industry.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: I know you are not...
MR. McCULLOUGH: There are a lot of other people to do that.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER:
that far at least.
Right, but I am just saying that we have gone
MR. McCULLOUGH: But these different agencies, they all involve
lot more than the actuai act of growing or the act of catching
something. The support that needs to be there also. And that is part
of a viable industry, without it, the industry is gone.
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CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Any other testimony we can ....
MR. GOGGINS: No, there is no other testimony, other than a closing
statement after Mr. Flynn speaks.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Yes, Mr. Carlson you want to talk.
MR. CARLSON: Yes. I would like to say a few things.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Just again, remember you are under oath from a
prior hearing andstate your name for the record again.
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MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Claude Carlson. There is a few little
points, that was talked about here tonight that I would like to bring
forth. One thing that was talked about here earlier was, they talked a
lot about potatoes, but there is also vegetables and different types of
MR. CARLSON (con't.):things they were doing. I would just like to
make a point that a lot of the vegetables are not actually cut and
processed or like taken from a grape to wine, all they do is trim and
packaged to be marketable. We do the same thing with our shelifish, we
deshell them instead of trimming them. We still sort them and so
forth. We do exactly, in comparison, you could say some vegetables are
handled the same way shellfish are handled, except that instead of
taking the leaf off, we are taking the shell off. One, another point
that was made here, is that, before we started taking the conches, for
instance, out of the sheli, we used to try to sell them in the shell,
same as they were as potatoes, but we came across the same problem.
The market price would be flooded out and instead of .... We would get
three or four dollars ($3.00 or $4.00) a bushel for the conches we
sell, ship them in the shell, compared to fifteen ($15.00) a bushel by
the time we took the meats out of the shell. And that was the same
type of idea that farmers have problems with the potatoes and other
crops where they can't just flood the market with them all at once.
They need to package them, put them in storage, whether it is a freezer
or wherever it may be and hold them so that they can dole them out and
keep a decent reasonable return for the fisherman if he sells. I spent
a little time in last month, I went and visited a few local farmers to
get an idea what some of the farmers here were doing compared to what
we are doing. And most of everything has been said here tonight, I
don't want to rehash it, but one point I did want to make, that I
noticed, that came to my mind, was that a lot of the farmers that are
farming, and packaging, and marketing a product, farm product,
whatever, the same as we are trying to do with a shellfish. The only
difference, the only real difference I noticed was that they are using
their small family operations, many of them, the same as ours is, but
the only outside influx of people that they are dealing with are
laborers which they hire to work on their farms. And the difference
being with us, is that we don't hire other people outside of our
fanfily. Our family runs our own business. The other people we deal
with our local Town fishermen, that are residents here that we are
trying to work with to help out. It is not like we are bringing in
outsiders. We are trying to help the local people, as we are trying to
help ourselves. And, one other little point I have here that, I don't
know if it has been mentioned is that, when you harvest a product, I
personally don't see where it makes any difference whether you are
harvesting it out of the ground or out of the sea. You know, we are
still harvesting a product. We are fortunate to have a public
resource here, where we can go out and have that land available to us,
that out on the water land, to harvest out products, without having to
lease it. There are leased bay bottoms in this bay that are taxed.
And there are clam farmers that are using those bay bottoms. They are
actually clamming, you know, farming clams, on a leased bottom, but I
don't want to get into that because we would rather see it remain as
public domain anyhow.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Can I ask you a question Claude?
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MR. CARLSON: Sure.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: It appears that
retail operation and you are renting a building
that correct?
your now getting into a
on the Main Road, is
MR. CARLSON: That is correct. This has nothing to do with our
business that we are doing now. This is a small retail shop that I am
setting up for my wife and my mother-in-law to run in the summer season.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: What are you doing. You are buying the
wholesale to place in there. Anything you can't...
MR. CARLSON: I am buying wholesale lobsters from myself and,
know, from my father's and my business and I will be buying local fish
and some of the local fishermen I already deal with. I am going to
sell in there. And I am buying local vegetables from local farmers and
just having fresh seafood, live lobsters and local vegetables that I am
selling as kind of an indoor/outdoor market. It is not actually a fish
market. It is more a combination, but it has nothing to do with what
we are talking about here. This is separate shop that I set up for a
separate reason, to try to help out the situation.
you
stuff
MR. CARLSON: Well, ....
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: I don't want to put you on the spot, but...
MR. CARLSON: It is a tough question on the spot because it has a
lot of money poured into it over the years, as things have been refined
to make things better and simpler for us. Between pickup truck that we
use to go the the dumps that we built into a little dump truck and the
cost of the coolers and freezers and maintenance on the equipment.
Since we have been $here, you know, I figure it to be anywhere from
fifty to one hundred thousand dollars ($50 to $100,000.00). I would
have to sit down and try to figure it out. I mean probably closer to
one hundred thousand dollars ($100,000.00) that we have invested to set
ourselves up to where we are at this point now.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: How would you categorize your business on the
scale of a ma and pa operation?
MR. CARLSON: Well, I am the only employee on the payroll. My
father takes care of the books and helps out. The business helps pay
some of the bills--light bills, and phones bills that we are allowed to
use for our accountant set up. My brother, Bret, on the back here,
he works for us part-time, helps me to do some delivering. Then when
my son, Duanne, do the conch shucking. My wife was helping doing the
bookkeeping, but she has been forced in the last year to find an
outside job because we had a tough time, loosing our scallops and..
Basically, this year has been a very poor lobster year, at this point.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: The other question is, what you do think that
the whole conch operation costs in reference to setting it up. That is
those bins that you have that you boil them in and so on and so forth.
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MR. CARLSON (con't.): The only thing that seems to be fairly consistent this year,
which is a little fortunate for us, is the conches are holding up.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Who opened the scallops?
MR.CARLSON: We are not in the big business. We are a small family
business, the only outside employees are a few women and older guys
that come over and open scallops for us in the fall. I think that is
about it. I just want to take a quick look and see if I missed
anything. Yea, I have one question back to you guys. In the
discussions here tonight when things were mentioned about some farmers
are still farming crops and some aren't. When does a farmer stop
becoming a farmer? You know, if he stops planting crops, does that
make him no longer a farmer? If he is still running a farm operation,
packing and marketing? ,
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: That is an interesting point. I had
discussion briefly with Mr. Krupski over on Northville Tpke. about
that because, this is Riverhead, of course. He, of course, rents his
farm for the sole purpose of sodding it. And he is a part owner of
Riverhead Building Supply and he does use the barns for storage of
lumber, okay. And, it is very interesting question. I can't answer
that. I don't know when a farmer stops being a farmer. To my left, I
have a gentleman that has been on this Board for thirty-five (35) years
and the first question I asked him when he walked in the door tonight,
okay, are you planting anything Charlie? And he said yes. So, I
don't think a farmer ever stops becoming a farmer. To be honest with
you. And I am not a farmer and I can't answer that question, but that
is just my opinion.
a
MR. CARLSON: That is the point I want to make ....
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: When Henry was up here, Claude, Henry's
is growing sod, okay. It is still a farm operation, okay. It is the
same situation. I really don't think they ever stop becoming farmers,
really. Even if you have your own garden.
father
MR. CARLSON: Well, that is the point I'm trying to make with us.
With the agriculture and aquaculture comparison. I still fish, you
know, just because my father doesn't. It doesn't mean he isn't a
fisherman anymore, just because he is involved in our family business,
still the same as someone else maybe that is doing farm
operation. I am just trying to give a comparison. That is about all I
can say, I think. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Thank you.
Hke to speak in favor of this application,
sir? Have you spoke before?
Is there anybody else who
yes. How are you tonight
would
MR. STEVE LATSON: Yes, I am Steve Latson.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: You are still under oath Steve.
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MR. LATSON: I just wanted to make to clear as a fisherman that it
is totally unnecessary to shuck scallops, to make them marketable. I
am sure that that is clear, but I don't know if it was on the record.
And the conches really, if you are going to get any money for them, you
MR. LATSON (con't):have to process them this way, otherwise you
couldn't make any moneyin the conch business. That is it. It is the
only way you can have a marketable product. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Thank you. Anybody else? Seeing no hands,
will go on to the opposition. Is there anybody like to speak against
this application? Yes, Mr. Flynn.
we
MR. F.M.FLYNN: I am F.M. Flynn, resident of Southold, and I am
under oath. Prior to making any remarks directly pertinent to this, I
would like to clarify a situation which has arisen. Apparently, Mr.
Morailion has been criticized for his lack of attendance at these
meetings. This is not by choice. Mr. Morailion has probably never
informed the Board, but he is an official of the French Government. He
is in charge of an office in New York and his position entails
international travel. Since this hearings
have been held, to my personal knowledge, he has been back to Europe
several times. He has been to China, he has been the West Coast and
currently, as of this evening, he is meeting in Geneva, in Switzerland
at a conference. So, as he informed me, it certainly is not a matter
of a choice with him. When he is in New York, in effect of saying, is
at fault. But, he has also informed me that he expects that this
matter will be decided in accordance with the requirements of the Town
Code and legal precedence, or he reserves his options to proceed in his
own interest as his attorneys may advise. Now, with respect to this
situation...
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Can I just answer that. I came back
Virginia, which is the first trip I have taken in fourteen (14) months,
a matter of three (3) days, my daughter having almost a near head-on
collision down there in another vehicle. Seeing in the newspaper, a
letter from this gentleman, okay. Somewhat of a rhetorical letter,
alright. And I felt I had to answer it. And I did so, and I did so on
the spur of the moment because of course, as you know, there is a time
limits for the newspapers, when they go to press and so on and so
forth. I am telling you as I stand before you and you have stood
before me and I respect my elders, as I always have, Mr. Flynn, that
I will cordially invite this gentleman to this hearing and extend this
hearing for him. And I want you to call him. I don't care where he is
in the World, okay. I want him here. If he wants to come, okay.
from
MR. FLYNN: Well, obviously, I can't
no idea where he is staying in Geneva.
I would certainly convey that to him.
contact him in Geneva. I have
When he comes back to New York,
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: You have two weeks ....
MR. FLYNN: You can't tell me I have two weeks ....
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CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: I didn't say you have two weeks, no. We are
going to reconvene this hearing on the 30th of June for his exclusive
use, if he wants to be here, okay. I am going to make that motion to
the Board tonight. If he is available, we will calendar the hearing,
we have exactly two (2) hearings on that night. And I know you will be
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER (con't.):here, because the hearing across from
your property will be on, okay. Down on... And I cordially invite
him to speak at this hearing, alright. Yes
MR. CARLSON: He was just out here.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Okay, so, that is it. That is all I can do
for the gentleman, I can't do anything else, all right. I have
answered him in the newspaper, and I respectfully, cordially invite him
and that is all I can do, okay. We will reconvene this hearing,
hopefully for only rebuttal from Mr. Goggins and we will let him
address the Board. And if any members of the family, we would hope
that they would reflect their opinions during the hearing to Mr.
Goggins, and then we will close the hearing at that point. If that
is airight with you. If he doesn't come and Mr. Goggins will come,
we will close the hearing, and that is the end of it.
MR. FLYNN: Well, I would like to say something in respect to this,
if I may continue.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Yes.
MR. FLYNN: What I am really concerned with, there have been so many
changes and convolutions in this application, that I am not sure that I
am... I really understand the problem at the moment. As I understand
it, what's being discussed is at least one question before the Board,
mainly, it is now maintained that aquaculture and agriculture are
synonymous terms. Is that correct?
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: That is not correct. That is exactly
they are asking us to interpret, if they are synonymous terms, okay.
We have not made any determination...
what
MR. FLYNN: That is an issue before the Board..
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: That is the issue before the Board, the only
issue, to my knowledge, before the Board.
MR. FLYNN: Well, I would say that possibly there is a secondary
issue.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: What is that.
MR. FLYNN: Even were this considered agriculture, which I would
consider to beyond the stretch of the imagination, there is still a
question of whether this constitutes a business. And if so, whether a
variance is required.
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CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: I don't think that we are to that point.
Okay, on this particular piece of property, alright. If we were to
that point, I would ask other questions, airight.
Mm. FLYNN: Yea, okay, with respect to this question of
agriculture and aquacul.ture, I think this a question of pure
pure to maintain that they are in anyway related. I think
the difference to the fishing industry, this might be well called a
"Red Herring" issue. Either entails cultivation and growth of a
product and obviously the product in one instance is the product of the
land and the other of the sea. The Town Code is very clear as to what
constitutes agriculture. With respect to its definitions in 100-13 and
also with respect to the uses as provided for in an AC district. There
is, of course, provision for aquaculture use in an entirely different
zoning district. Now, what is, the latest business as I
understand it, is that the application is for a wholesale
distributorship. And the distributorship entails the distribution to a
broader market of products not produced on the property. In effect,
the distributor is a middleman. One who sells something produced on
the property is a producer or a manufacturer, not a distributor. And,
of course, the wholesale implies sales to retailers and not to
consumers. Now, it is obvious that the intent here is to import
products to be processed on the property that are not produced on the
property. And is such would be in conflict with the Town Code. Now,
in my opinion, this entails a variance. And then we get to the usual
question, one has received a lot of local, recent emphasis's,
Steinhilber, Otto vs. Steinhilber, involving return on an
investment. And I may not be exactly right on this, but I believe the
investment in the property, at the time it was purchased in 1980 was
$40,000.00. And, as a permitted use, I am certain that the property,
even in today's depressed market, could be sold for in excess of the
purchase price of $40,000.00. Now, there is something that I would
also like to question the Board rather quickly on. There is a Suffolk
County Local Law, I think it is either 30 or 33, filed in 1988, a copy
of which I found in the file. And I don't know whether the Board
places any reliance on this local law, but a careful reading of the law
indicates that while its intent is to l~rotect fisheries in Suffolk
County, it is only to protect them against developments which arrive
later on the scene, than an existing fishery and not the reverse. Now,
with respect to this entire application procedure, we have had advanced
to the Board the various submissions and comments that deviate from the
truth, to phrase it rather mildly. We have heard here that prior to
the applicant's purchase of the property in 1980, that as tenants they
were involved in a fish processing business. Now, I find it highly
significant that the purchase money mortgage drawn up by the grantor as
mortgagee, states a rather unusual, it contains a rather unusual
paragraph, where it says that the property is improved only by a
dwelling. And I call this to the attention to the Board,
inception of this. Now, the grantee or the mortgagor signed that
purchase money mortgage and it believes to that fact as of that time
theproperty was improved only by a dwelling. So all this comment
about the prior use of the property and the evolution of the business
is in direct conflict with the acknowledged signature on that mortgage.
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CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: That may be the ease sir. We are not here to
test that issue. I just want to mention this to you, okay. That I am
not an attorney and I don't ever purport to be anything near an
attorney, okay. But there are times when there are non-conforming uses
on property, okay, that restate all of those things that you just said,
alright. In this particular case...
MR. FLYNN: I don't agree sir.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: I don't care if you don't agree, okay.
gentleman sitting right next to me has told us that his mother, his
mother bought scallops at that site, x-amount of years ago. And we
could probably narrow those years of when she bought those scallops.
Based upon his age, and his wisdom. So, what you are saying is fine
for the record, but so far as I am concerned it does not hold a
significant amount of credence. You can continue. I just, I want to
restate that, okay. And I have heard -- I know you said that before--
But, go ahead.
MR. FLYNN: Well, obviously I disagree for the simple reason that
there was an intent in introducing that into the purchase money
mortgage. Now, with respect to certain other things here. We also
have mentioned that in the course of the evolution of this property,
the Building Dept. and the Assessment Dept. saw the three-fold
expansion of this property. At no time, did they note to anybody in
the Town administration, to the best of what I have been able to find
out, that the property was used for other than residential purposes.
As a matter of fact, the property was carried on in the assessment
records for years as a one-family dwelling and the improvements were
carried as a garage. Now, that brings up an ancillary question that I
am not qualified to answer, but it might be worthy of investigation,
mainly whether this garage type building is adequate under the State
building code for its present use. And the final comment I have to
make with respect to, and this was testified I believe under oath, the
question of odors from the property. And the question of Mr.
Moraillon's letter which precipitated, I believe, your answer, where
he referred to the police reports that we closed in the file here.
Now, a careful reading of those reports indicated that these were not
unfounded complaints, but rather that the Police Dept. saw enough
merit in them in the production of obnoxious odors to forward them to
the pertinent Town authorities for action. Well, that is essentially
what I had come prepared to say.
The
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGE: All I said in my letter was that they were in
the file and we were aware of them. That was basically the situation.
MR. FLYNN: But, I think he was saying, and I cannot speak for him,
but a question arose in my mind that if they were in the file and
people are testifying under oath that there was no omission of
obnoxious odors, a severe question of credibility has arisen. Now,
with respect to, and this is, just probably take a moment, some of the
remarks that I just jotted down here, the real confusion here, as I see
it, is an attempt to equate agriculture and aquaculture, which are
two divergent occupations and have been historically. And I believe I
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MR. FLYNN (c0n't.):
~eard essentially that potatoes were unchanged in character, despite
the process they went through, when they were eventually packaged for
shipment. The question of treating these potatoes on premises where
they were not produced was sort of skirted as a question of
questionnable legality. And one of the last statements made here was
to the effect that was not the advisable thing. To inform the
authorities of somebody who might be processing potatoes illegally on a
MR. FLYNN (con't.):half acre plot. Even though I don't conceive the
relationship of potatoes to seafood, the question arises is that very
much different and, one of the gentleman here raised a question as
well, as to the size of this plot. Now this plot is one-acre in area.
It would certainly has hearing on both the noise and odors eminating
from it, the type of odor and its relationship to something that may
possibly be of a lesser nature, but eminating from a much larger
property. Now, also, the word, was employed by, I believe, everybody
testified here at least one time or another, that there was a business
being conducted on this property. If there is a business, it is my
contention that it requires a variance to conduct this business as I
mentioned before. And, essentially, I believe that summarizes what I
would have to say on the subject. I shall make every attempt to
contact Mr. Moraillon, but obviously I don't know how long he is
going to be in Europe, nor do I have any direct means of communication
with him. So, if he is available, I will see to it ....
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: I don't mean to put you on the spot
reference to requesting him to be here, however, he did inform us that
he was not going to be here. I just would like you to mention to him
that we are aware that there are odors eminating from these, from the
use of these buildings, not necessarily this one, but all buildings
that are in this particular realm. And that the nature of him
testifying at this particular hearing, I don't think necessarily has to
couch that issue, okay. Because we are aware of it. There is no
question about it, alright. I would just like to have him an
opportunity to testify, if he so wants to and, you know, I am extending
it for that particular reason.
MR. FLYNN: I will certainly convey that to him. And my final
comment is that it must be apparent to everybody here that ever read
the Code, that the emission of noxious odors is a prohibited use in any
zoning category in the Town of Southold. If we are conceding that we
do have obnoxious odors, I don't see that there is any question...
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: I am not conceding to anything. I am
saying to you that I am aware that things smell. And that is it. And
whatever, to whatever degree they do, would have to be determined at
the time that they were doing it. Synonymous with the new law that
exists in the Village of Greenport, where they have not purchased
decibel readers, okay, to check the noise that is eminating from
certain areas that exist on the docks down there. It is the same
situation, okay. You got to be there at the time, you got to check it,
and there has to be an evaluation for checking.
just
MR. FLYNN: Well, except for one thing, I don't want to prolong this
any longer than is absolutely necessary, but you have the dispassionate
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MR. FLYNN (con't]:
wlLne~ u~d Lhe persons of the police reported on this to the Town.
They were called because they were obnoxious odors, they admitted that
they were, and felt that this was beyond their enforcement power and
submitted their reports to the Town for enforcement. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Thank you. Mr. Goggins?
MR. GOGGINS: Just a rebuttal to some of Mr. Flynn's statements.
Police reports are really allegations, and in our Country you are
innocent until proven guilty. And that is why we have courts. So,
attacking credibility of people at these hearings, is improper. It
really shouldn't be done. When you go to court and have a fair
hearing, and it is determined who is telling the truth and who isn't,
police reports are merely allegations and that is all they are. With
respect to a mortgage that you referred to being fraudulent at the last
hearing, whenever you file a mortgage, you have to put in it, whether
it is improved or not improved by a dwelling. You can't file a
mortgage unless you do it. So, again, it is irrelevant at the hearing
tonight. Thirdly, we are here basically just for the interpretation
here of it. We are not here for a variance or anything else. After
hearing Mr. Flynn's comments at the last hearing in regards to his
definitions of agriculture and so forth. I think it is important for
the Board to know that whenever two (2) people have an agreement, let
us say to do something, to buy a business or whatever, they will define
terms. And if they define a term called default, and they define it as
being whatever, than that definition is controlling in that agreement.
No matter what Webster says, no matter what Black's Law Dictionary
says, no matter Wilbur Wilson says, it is all, it doesn't matter, it is
only according to that agreement. And the same thing with law. When
they codify laws, when they set forth definitions, the definitions
control. In our code, we have section 100-30 and it defines
agriculture, okay. And in it, I have a copy here, and I am sure you
have read it tonight and so forth. I was reading it, the definition is
the production, keeping, or maintenance for sale, lease, or personal
use of plants and animals useful to man including but not limited to,
etc. So, I read animals, and I said what is an animal, so I went to
the Code to find the definition of an animal and I couldn't find it.
Now, we are at a point where there is an interpretation of what animal
is because it is not defined. So, I went to the dictionary at that
point, it is not in the Code. And the dictionary stated that an animal
is any living being capable of sensation and the power of voluntary
motion, distinguished from plants. So then I said to myself, what is a
living being, there is no, there is nothing in the dictionary defined
as a living being. So I went to living and it is something that is
alive and I went to being and it is something that exists. So, so
really seafood, shellfish, it is an animal, it can be interpreted as an
animal. And, as agricniture is defined here, it states animal use.
And I think that is the point where we can say yes, shellfish can be
seen as agriculture use. That is the legal point I wanted to bring
home.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: It is an interesting point.
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MR. CARLSON: I would have been glad to ask either or of the two
that were there the day when they both came, to come down here, but I
thought limited this tonight to the .....
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: We did. It is a little premature.
MR. CARLSON: Mr. FIynn brought up a lot of points, I would have
like to respond to, but we have already been through that, but I did
want to answer this last one.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: No problem. Thank you.
MR. CARLSON: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Hearing no further comment, I make a motion
recessing this until the last meeting in the month of June, preferably
for comments only by a gentleman that is not available for the evening
and for the attorney of the applicant to rebut anything that may or may
not be said or any last minute things that might happen. Just those
two people. Again, closing all portions of the record, we have heard
the information that we were looking at... I will be honest with you,
there is nothing mysterious to what we do. There is nothing. We don't
stand up here and do anything, other than what we are suppose to do.
And quite honestly, by the issue of what exists today in the
agricultural district, there is a great similarity to what exists, in
my opinion, and I am not forcing anybody to change there mind, or
altering anybody's opinion, because I don't do that, okay. I just find
a great similarity between agriculture and aquaculture. And that is
just my opinion. I thank you ladies and gentlemen for your patience
and safe home.
' Lorraine A. Miller
(Transcribed by tapes recorded 6/4/92.)
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MR. GOGGINS: It is. And, also, I ran across a case, and I have
copies for the Board, and I have a copy for Mr. Flynn, should he want
to look at it, and coincidentally, it involves a seafood business,
distributing in the Town of Huntington, where this guy was distributing
seafood in some district and the Town brought him to the Zoning Board
of Appeals or whatever and the thing wasn't defined. Distribution
business was never defined, so, they went to court and they said it was
not defined and the court held, as a case. And the court
MR. GOGGINS (con't.):held that since the Zoning Ordinance under
review does not define distribution center and it is unclear precisely
what is meant by these words, the resulting ambiguity must be resolved
against the municipality and in favor of the petitioner. And, I saw
that as being interesting too, because if the Town doesn't have enough
definitions so that the people can see what they are doing and how it
relates, then any question, any interpretation should be done in favor
of the applicant and not in favor of preventing anything from going on
in this situation. So, I wili hand up to the Board now, a copy of the
case. It is a 1981 case. (Hands out copies to Board and Mr.
Flynn.) There is one other point I want to bring up, was in
reference to the Suffolk County Resolutions that Mr. Flynn brought
up. And in right in it, I know, we all have copies of this resolution,
and it states the purpose of this law is to reduce the loss to the
County of its fishing resources by limiting the circumstances under
which fishing and fish processing maybe deemed to be nuisance. So what
they are saying is listen, we want, we don't want
action, because it is ruining the industry. So, Suffolk County got
together and said let us pass this law to abate these nuisance
actions. And that is what this law is all about. It is not someone
coming to the nuisance, you know, it is not like there is a shellfish
distribution business that is eminating odors and they put a
subdivision next to it. And the Town says well, the shellfish business
is there first, so, they get to stay there, even though they smell. Or
the opposite is that the subdivision, and then a seafood business goes
next door, you know. It doesn't go in favor of the prior owners
necessarily. And that is exactly what this law is saying. It is
saying wait a second, we want to protect the fishing industry and that
is why they passed it. You know, in my opinion, from reading the law.
I know we all have copies of it. You have them on file right?
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Yes.
MR. GOGGINS: So, that is the last point I wanted to make, that Mr.
Flynn's representation was a little bit misguided.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Are we close to the conch season these days?
Are we getting in there or...
MR. CARLSON: Yea, we are right in the middle of it.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: We are right in the middle of it, okay.
again, Claude, we could have invitation some time to come down when you
are boiling these babies up? Okay.
So~
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MR. CARLSON: We have been at regular, normal full production for
the past four (4) weeks and no problems.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Well, we will stop down then sometime, if it
is alright with you, and look at it again.
MR. CARLSON: We are not doing it everyday just with weather and
availability. If anybody wants to give us a call, we can tell you
which days, you know, we will be working Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday
MR. CARLSON (con't.):or not until Thursday or Friday, for instance.
You can pick whatever day you want, but let us know that week, we will
tell what days we will be in that operation.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Wonderful. Thank you. Yes.
MR. FLYNN: If I may make a couple quick comments. With respect to
the this locai law, my reading of it believes in part of the recent
interpretation of it. Mainly that is was intended to protect the
fishing industry for those sites utilized for that purpose that were
established prior to the dwell of the surrounding properties, not
subsequent. And that, of course, is not the situation here. Now, with
respect to the purchase money mortgage, it is true that in many
instances these mortgages do recite the improvements on the property.
This particular mortgage cites a residential use only. Now, with
respect to the allegations to the police department, I think these bear
more weight than mere allegations. The Police didn't treat them as
nuisances or crank summonses. They appeared, they believed that there
was merit, or so I am informed, toward to the complaint. And
infurtherance of that, submitted them to the Town administration.
That is not the action I believe the Police Dept. takes in a
complaint that has no merit. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Thank you. Mr. Carlson.
MR. CARLSON: I am sorry to drag this on, but I just got to say one
more thing here after that. I was there when the Police came. I read
the report afterwards. The Po]ice reports allegated nothing, except
that they were called. They responded to a call, just the same as they
did when they responded to a call because there was a band playing over
there. Well, the Police report said that I saw, and I talked to the
two (2) Police Officers that were there, in fact, I was standing in
front of the barn, not two (2) feet in front of the barn with two (2)
police officers the last time that Ted called them over there. And,
they stood right there with me and they said we don't see any problem,
we have to answer the call, we were told to come here to respond to a
call, we are here. I said, weli, do you see anything that is a
problem. They said no. So, I can't believe that he's or so he heard
that there is something in the Police reports saying something, because
if there is, I am unaware of it, and I was right there first hand.
CHAIRMAN GOERHINGER: This may be a new first for the ZBA in future
hearings on this particular matter here. And that is to ask one or two
of those police officers to come down at the request of the Chief and
ask them.
TRANSCRIPT OF HEARING
SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD OF APPEALS
REGULAR MEETING OF
WEDNESDAY, MARCH 25, 1992
Board Members Present: Chairman Gerard P. Goehringer
Members: Doyen, Grigonis, Dinizio, Villa
Linda Kowalski, ZBA Secretary and approximately 50 persons in the
audience.
Appeal #3975
Applicant (s): Arthur G. Carlson
Location of Property: 1575 Lower Road,
County Tax Map No.: 1000-69-04-23
Southold, NY
The Chairman opened the hearing at 9:00 p.m. and read the
Notice of Hearing and application for the record.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: I have a copy of the parcel, somewhere within
the confines of this particular, and I won't direct that right now.
We all know where it is. I have a copy of the site plan indicating
the approximate placement of the two-story frame home. The area
which concerns the seafood business and a copy of the Suffolk County
Tax map indicating this and surrounding properties in the area.
Mr. Goggins would like to be heard?
MR. GOGGINS: Yes I would. Bill Goggins, associate of the law firm
McNulty, Speiss, located at 633 East Main Street, Riverhead, NY.
I am the attorney for the petitioner. The petitioner, as you know,
is engaged in the business of packaging and distribution of locally
produced aquatic products. Just as some of our local persons are
engaged in the business of packaging and distributions of locally
produced potatoes, cauliflower, corn and what have you. It is our
position that the farmers of the water should be treated like
farmers of the land in that they both create a product and market
same. And we ask that the Board treat them both equally. Just
as our local farmers reap their harvest and they bring their har-
vest to a distributor, so must the fisherman. Farmers do not have
the time or ability or resources to package, distribute or market
their products, so they have a distributor and they use distribu-
tors to get their products to market. A distributor in turn,
distributes the product and the result is that the farmer gets
paid a fair price for his harvest. There are storage facilities
for farm products throughout the town, everywhere you look, you
see a barn that stores potatoes or some guys who distribute the
farm products out of town. And I believe all those facilities are
in the A-C Districts. We ask that, just as our local fishermen
farm the waters for ccnd~ scallops, and lobsters. They have to bring
their harvest someplace too. And a lot of them bring their harvest
to the petitioner!s place of business in trying to get a fair
price. The farmers of the water, much like the farmers of the land,
do not have the time, abilities, or resourceS to package and
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MR. GOGGINS (con't.) : distribute their product. Mr. Carlson's
operation is a necessary means by which by farmers of the water
can maintain their livelihood. Just as the packaging and dis-
tribution operations of the land farm products are a necessary
means by which the farmers of the land can maintain their liveli-
hood. It became apparant to me upon reviewing all the papers,
that a main objection to residents of town in the local residence
is the fact that there are offensive odors in the area or a poss-
ibility of offensive odors. On the issue of offensive odors ,I
have three (3) points to make. One (1) is that when any perish-
able product is improperly handled or maintained, odors will re-
sult. Growing up and even today, during the late fall you drive
by a over ripe cauliflower field, by God, it stinks. It is the
worst possible stench you can imagine and I am sure we are all
familiar with that type of smell. And the same thing with stored
potatoes. Stored potatoes that are exposed to water for a long
period of time have a bad odor to them. However, no offensive
odors eminate from properly stored potatoes. No offensive odors
eminate from mishandled cabbage or cauliflower. And no offensive
odors eminate from properly processed seafood. And I would like
to point out that Mr. Carlson's operation is properly run and
handled properly and it is a clean operation. I know members of
the Board have been to the operation and have seen it and can
attest to the fact that it is a properly run operation and a
clean operation. The second (2) point I would like to make, is
that the New York Department of Agriculture and Markets issued
Mr. Carlson a food processing license. The Department makes
periodic inspections, the subject of these inspections are pri-
marily sanitary in nature. Also the New York State Deapartment
of Environmental Conservation, the infamous DEC, issued a permit
to Mr. Carlson to operate his business. Mr. Carlson runs a clean
business, a sanitary business, an odorless business. And the
third (3) point I would like to make is that the Suffolk County
Legislature in 1988 passed a local law which the purpose of which,
and I have copies here, the purpose of which was to reduce the
laws to the County of its fishing operations, by limiting the
circumstances under which fishing and fish processing may be deem-
ed a nuisance. And the Legislature's intent of this resolution
was to and I quote "of primarily used to keep commercial fish
processing operations which are sometimes forced to cease to
operate to continue to operate." And what it does, it makes it
so that a fish operation shall not be subject to a public nuisance
action. And I have copies of the law here that I will hand out
to the members of the Board right now.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Mr. Goggins, I apologize, I didn't swear you
in in the beginning of this hearing and I hope that everything
you are telling us is the truth to the best of your knowledge.
MR. GOGGINS: To the best of my knowledge. Any misquotes I made
in relation to the Local Law # 30 of 1988 can be corrected, sir.
The copy that I have submitted to the Board right now. That
is all I have as far as the offensive odors are concerned.
don't think there is any credible evidence that has been pre-
sented that there are odors eminating from this processing
I
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MR. GOGGINS (con't.); operation and in fact I believe there are
no offensive odors eminating from it. As far as the treatment
of the people in the fishing industry to be treated equally as
farmers, I have a letter, I believe you have it in your file, I
guess you can make it part of the record, is a November 23, 1990
correspondence from the Board of the Town Trustees. In it, I
guess it is a letter from John M Bredemeyer to Scott Harris, and
I couldn't put it better then he did. And in the letter he states
the Trustees are of the conscience consensus that mariculture and
agriculture operation should be given similar status as agricul-
ture in Southold Town. Specifically the culture of beneficial
aquatic and marine organisms in upland areas should be afforded
a similar code of protection as agriculture currently enjoys.
With respect to the sale or distribution of any locally produced
marine or aquatic products, the Trustees believe that historically run
operations which are completely enclosed in a building should be grand-
fathered and permitted to continue in all zoning districts. With
respect to new operations to sale and distribution of marine or
aquatic products, the Trustees believe that the tenor of the
Zoning Code should be liberal towards their existence with require-
ment that operations be covered, have proper parking and abate
nuisances properly. As I said, I couldn't have put it more
sincintly. There is a need to treat the fisherman and people in
the fishing industry as liberly as the farmers are treated in this
Town. Mariculture and aquatic culture should be afforded the same
status and agriculture in that they should be interprited to mean
the same. This application is made in logic commen sense and in
spirit of the proper treatment by the Town by residents of the
community that farm the water. The County has taken steps to
help seafood processing and I believe the Town should take steps
helping it. And I don't see a great difference between farming
the water and farming the land, as a big difference in distribu-
ting and processing seafood, as distributing and processing farm
products. That is all I have to say tonight. I believe there
are other people who will talk for this application.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: My only question to you is I have a question
to ask and I don't know if you can answer it and I would like you
to come back before the completion of this hearing tonight. I
would like you to compare the Carlson operation to that of a
person harvesting and storing potatoes and possibly to a person
who is taking those potatoes and doing something with them. Okay
that is the cleaning, scrubbing, and bagging of those potatoes,
which is about the greatest degree that a farmer deals with. I
can tell you for a fact that, that the Romanowski farm, when it
was in operation in Laurel, that is exactly what they did do.
And the Romanowski's not only a fellow Lions member of mine and
a friend of mine and that is what he did in that barn. And I
would like you to prepare that either through one of the Carlsons
who are here or yourself, prior to the completion of this hearing.
MR. GOGGINS: Okay, if I can.
to reserve to the end of all
spoken. Thank you.
Any other questions, I would like
the peoples in this court room have
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CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Ladies and gentlemen of the audience, we
have, as you know it is really up to me as Chair person of
this organization of this Board and I have been so empowered
by the Town Board to do stuff, to swear people in from time to
time. There has been hearsay concerning this operation throughout
the And I have all intentions of doing that to-
night and I have all intentions of telling people when I feel they
have over stepped their bounds and records to statements that
are being made. So in no way, I am completely impartial tonight
on this particular application and I just wanted you to be aware
of that. So now I ask anybody to speak in favor of this appli-
cation to kindly raise your hand and step to the mike and state
and your name and be prepared to be sworn in. Mr. Carlson do
you solemly swear, raise you right hand sir, solemly swear that
the information you are about to give us is the truth to the best
of you knowledge.
MR. CARLSOn: Yes.
CHARIMAN GOEHRINGER: For the record this is Arthur J. Carlson.
Go ahead.
MR. A. CARLSON: Is this thing working?
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: To my knowledge it is.
MR. A. CARLSON: Mr. Goehringer, Board members and interested
ladies and gentlemen. My name is Arthur Carlson and I would like
to take a few mintues of your time to speak about the purpose of
this hearing. I have lived in Town, Southold Township for 54 years
and there are currently four (4) generations of my family living
in the Township. My son and I run a small family wholesale sea-
food business on my property for almost 20 years. We keep the
property clean, there are no run down buildings, no rusted cars
or machinery or useless pieces of equipment lying around. People
have been misinformed and here say that my intentions are~to expand
are unfounded and completely false. The pending hearing is taking
place because ode of my neighbors filed an official complaint
stating persistent loud noise, heavy traffic and odors. Several
members of your own Board, the Town Board and other officials
have visited the property both during working and non-working
hours. All visits are on this violation to be non-existing.
We own only a small pick-up truck and one van. These two vehicles
and an occasional bayman constitute all of our traffic. This is
very little compared to the busy medical offices only one block
away. The odor has never been a serious problem. We have in-
stalled a large exhaust fan at the peak of the large barn to
exhaust steam out of the high point, therefore, eliminating any
possible odor problems. The barns and surrounding work areas
are scrubbed and disinfected after every work day. We are duly
licensed and regularly inspected by both Kew York State Dept. of Envir-
onmental Conservation and the Department of Agriculture. We have
never been sited for violation by either deparment. Our well
water samples tested every year, as per the request of the above
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MR. A. CARLSON (CON'T.): mentioned departments. The seafood
we process and package is produced locally by Southold Town Bay-
men. It is then sold and delivered to markets outside the South-
old Town area. This subject quantity brings in new money to
circulate within the economy of Southold. We feel that we provide
a great service to the Baymen which has meant so much to this Town
and to the Town itself. I consider this to be a nuisance complaint.
because both the initial and follow up complaints were submitted
by a person who has an ongoing verbal confrontation with a member
of my family. This is his way of attempting to get even. I have
drafted a letter having signatures of 14 (fourteen) occupants
constituting 5 (five) of the 7 (seven) neighboring homes, presiding
within one block of my property on both Ackerly Pond Lane and
Lower Road. The signatures testify that they see absolutely no
basis of the alledged violations. Copies are available. It was
cause great hardship on both myself and my family as well as the
baymen who bring their catches to me and that this petition
being denied. Thank you for your time..
CHAIRM~N GOEHRINGER: Before you leave tonight. We are going to
brick out everything tonight. My understanding that one of the
natures or the nature of this application was not necessarily your
business, it was your son playing in a band or a band playing
in your house, or loud music eminating from your house. Is there
any truth to that?
MR. A. CARLSON: That happened but one time back a while, yes.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Okay. Could that have been the same that
this ...
MR. CARLSON: Very possible.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: That is the only question I have sir.
you sir.
Thank
MR. A. CARLSON: That is different They practice
in Riverhead now. They chased them out of Southold.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Thank you Mr. Carlson. I belived the gentle-
men over on my left hand side there with the blue sweater. Again
sir, would you state your name and raise your hand.
.MR. FLAT: My name is Charles Flat.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Raise your hand. It is getting late and I
apologize. Do you solemnly that the information you are about to
give us is the truth to the best of your knowledge.
MR. FLAT: Yes sir.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Thank you.
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MR. FLAT: My name is Charles Flat. And I live on the corner
of Lower Road and Ackerly Pond in an antique house similar to
Sandy's. I know Sandy, I have been to his house. Oh I also
make wine for a living. I feel that Sandy and I are in similar
businesses that we farm and process. I have a very good feeling
about what Sandy does at his house. I have been there, both
during working hours and during non-working hours. I have never
smelt anything. I have never seen anything, this is from the
heart. I have never smelt anything, never. I did get the best
scallops in my life for lunch one day. I hear no noise what-so-
ever and I see no more traffic than any of us have here on
Eastern Long Island. And I think what Sandy does is a good thing,
a wholesome thing and I am proud to have him as a neighbor.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Thank you sir. Mrs. Latson. Again do you
solemnly swear that the information you are about to give us is
the truth to the best of your knowledge.
MRS. LATSON: I do.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Thank you.
MRS. LATSON: Members of the Board, I am hear to speak both on a
personal basis as having known Sandy Carlson for approximately
15 (fifteen) years. Also as a wife of a bayman and also as a
prior member of Southold Town government. When I first moved
to Southold about 15 (fifteen) years ago, Sandy Carlson's name was
really sinomenous with shell fishing. He has employed my brother-
in-law. He has provided a service to the bayman, which I was
aware of many years ago before I became a wife of a bayman, and
in that time, I have had the opportunity to go to Sandy Carlson's
operation on many ocassions. I have always seen in very well run,
things are always unloaded immediately. They are opened properly
they are washed down every night, they are refrigerated. The
baymen are paid for what they drop off at a set price. And the
product is shipped out and it is shipped out immediately. Sandy
provides a service both for scalloping, for conching, and for
lobsters. And it is a small family run operation. And it would
be an incrediable hardship if suddenly there was no place for
local bayman, who do lobster, to bring their lobster or to bring
their conch. There is no where around here other than Sandy's
place that you can bring conch especially. I was on the Town
Board when the zoning code was approved and prior to my tenure
on the Town Board there was a lot ofdiscussion about it for many
years. Many people, who had, what would be considered a non-
conforming use, came before the Town Board, pleaded their case and
were granted zone changes to allow the use of their property.
Sandy Carlson never received a notice that his property was non-
conforming. The Building Department had issued permits for him
to put the various sheds that he has there, and in the past, he
has done everything legally to the best of his ability and to the
best of his knowledge as a common, as a working person in the
Town of Southold. So unfortunately, when the Zoning Code was
passed, Sandy became a non-conforming use. Had he been informed
or come into the Town Board ahead of time and explained the cir-
cumstances perhaps the 'zoning could have been set to allow him to
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MRS. LATSON (con't.): be in business today. But we can look
throughout the Town, and we can see many cases of such, what is
called spot zoning, to allow an existing business to stay in
business. And that is my third point. The economy is rough out
there. I have been looking for a job. You know I never so called
built a nest while I was in political office. And it is tough.
A lot of people are not working. And a lot of people are complaining
about taxes, complaining about the school taxes, complaining about
the Town taxes and these are people, all of these men, who have
families and children who own their own homes, who are working
and contributing to the tax base in Southold Town. And you can't
take away a man's rights to his livelihood. You can't take away
20 (twenty) years of investment that someone has put in, in a
small business. Sandy Carlson isn't a millionaire, the people
that come to his business and sell their produce there, they are
not millionaires, they are not wealthy people, they are not powerful
people. They are looking to live in Southold Town and work in
Southold Town and what is thought to be a traditional industry.
An industry that we, you as government officials, should be pro-
moting, should be insuring that the integrity of these types of
business are able to exist in the future. And you hold a lot of
power in your hands. You can make or break peoples lives. So I
am asking that this Board in its compassion and its wisdom to
look on the operation of a small scale, shell fish packager, who
is providing livelihood, not only for his family, but for, I'm
sure Sandy can give you the numbers better than I can, but at
least 20 (twenty) families who rely on him. And if he was to be
shut down, there would be no other place to go. WE cannot legally
open scallops in our house, we have to have Health Deparment
permits, we have to have agriculture permits. We are not allowed
under the home occupation law to sell any type of products out
of our home. And this is our bread and butter, this is our live-
lihood, this is the livelihood that feeds the children of these
men. So I ask you to do what you can, you are the experts here
and to grant this variance. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Thank you Ellen.
gentlemen on the east side of the room.
swear, raisingyour right hand.
I believe there is a
Again do you solemnly
MR. TOLLEFSEN: I am Roger TQllefsen and I live in Hampton Bays.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Do you solemnly swear the information you
are about to give us is the most correct to the best of your
knowledge. Thank you sir. How do you spell you last name.
MR. TOLLEFS~N: T-o-l-l-e-f-s-e-n. I am here as a personal friend
for Sandy an~ also for a variety of reasons to help protect the
seafood industry. I have known Sandy personally for at least
21 (twenty-one) years. He has been a provider of the seafood pro-
ducts to myself and my published restaurants--The Lobster Inn,
The Cove Seafood Market and other entities in Hampton Bays and
Southampton areas. We buy quality product. Quaility product does
not have a We look at everyone and the result
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MR. TOLLEFSON' (con't.)~ is that Sandy goes back and puts his
processing facilities in and really scrutinizes
them. And we consider Sandy to be one of the best suppliers. On
that respect alone, I have to go back and attest that the quality
of his product is unsurpassed. I am also here for another reason,
I am president of the New York Seafood Council. It is a council
which an industry or organizaion which goes back and tries to
promote and educate people about the seafood parks in New York
State. I would like to give ~o you right now some of the copies
of a recent publications. But there are some examples of some
of the things that few people know about the seafood industry
in New York State. It is a big organization. It is a big
economic driving port entity for this end of Eastern Long Island.
The Department of Agriculture and Markets recognizes this. In
fact, there was only 11 (eleven) years ago that the Deparment
of Agriculture and Markets became the lead organization for marketing
and promotional seafood products. In algae agriculture,
aquaculture is clearly defined as explicitly spelled out by some
of the guide lines in the Department of Agriculture and Markets.
Just three (3) months ago, the Lieutenant Governor of New York
State, Lieutenant Stan Lundine, was commissioned by the Governor
to go back and put together an vision. It is called a vision for
the future and recommendations of the governor's task force for
coastal resources. The application, the recommendations that were
made in this task force applies specifically to this particular
question in point back here concerning his use of his business.
I would like to read a couple of points about this, I am not going
to be long. It goes back, it starts with going back and making
recommendations about the working coast. You have to realize that
these recommendations were not made by one man. They were made
by several people andI'msure you would probably recognize the
names~ They are made up of all the people that represent the industry
of New York Seafood. One of the key recommendations is that the
working coast is vitale to the economic health to New York State.
While protecting the environment from the State, the State must
also focus on creating a supportive business climate to ensure
the survival of success, and success of water dependant businesses.
Key recommendation--create comprehensive, economic development
stratergy to reflect the busy needs of the maritime industries,
the commerical fishing industry, etc. We need to go back and define
these goals. The economic development stratorgy would focus
existing financial programatic resources of government and the
private sector to foster appropriate growth. Create a positive
buisness environment for water dependant industries. Again we
emphasize this, I can't give it in clearer terms. It goes back
and says many factors reverse the effect of business time
on water depend~nt businesses. New York State should create a
supportive business environment by providing protection against
nuisance suits. I am not going to define what nuisances suits
is here. It is pretty clear on the defination of the language
here, that is going back and charging the individual communities
to go back and be supportive and creative. Recommendation No.1--
amend the water revitalization and coastal resources act to provide
protection against nuisance suits to water dependant business.
Legislation is needed to specifically protect pre-existing water
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Public Hearing--Carlson
~R. TOLLEFSEN (con't.): dependant businesses from nuisance suits
under the States Torte' Law. I don't know what a ~or~e Law is
and you do, but this is what I am reading directly out of this.
This Legislation will protect pre-existing water dependent industry
when being sued by adjacent property owners in much the same way
the right to farm law protects agriculture usages. They cite
in this particular reference to the village of Greenport, who
is involved with such law following suit by owners of ne~ homes
against traditional commercial fishermen. I bring this up for
several reasons, it is important once again to emphasize the
v±varancy of New York State seafood. This is an example of which
is under challenge, you have clear guide lines by Lieutenant
Governor of New York State conditions of which you have at your
discretion to act in a way that is going to be beneficial, that
you consider all the facets of the New York Seafood Industry,
which in some cases, is not even clear. This brochure that was
presented today, is really the first publication that consolidates
all the efforts of the seafood industry under one publication.
If we don't do a really good job ourselves of promoting the
undercurrents of what is out there, that the industry is
immense in size, and it is under tremendous attack by issues that
go by environmental issues to cases such like this. If you have
descretion, I can't think of a business person or a personal
point of view or a professional point of view that deserves more
consideration than Sandy Carlson. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Thank you sir. Yes sir. Again raising your
right hand do you solemny swear that the information you are about
to give us is the truth to the best of your knowledge. State
your name for the record.
MR. WENZEL: My name is Peter Wenzel, I am a commercial fisherman,
I have done business with Mr. Carlson for almost 20 (twenty) years
now. I am also President of the Southold Town Baymens Association.
I think that it is very important that at some point and maybe
this is a good place to start that the people of Southold Town and
the government of Southold Town stop paying lip service to com-
mercial fishing industry and to do something to keep it here.
We are really struggling and have been struggling for a number of
years now for a variety of reasons. But one thing that keeps
coming back at us, is that the we keep getting shoved out of
where we have traditionally been, where we have traditionally
worked on the water and on the land. There seems to be a constant
parade of complaints against the operations that have been a
traditional part of this Town. And what's happened to Mr. Carlson
here is a classic example of what goes on, you know, I think on a
fairly regular basis, as I said on the water and on the land.
This operation obviously had a personal interest in this, because
I have done business with Mr. Carlson and I still do now. But
I am also speaking for the baymen of Southold Town in general.
His operation is very important. You can't just shut him down.
There is no way at this time, that I am pretty sure the man could
move the operation. The money just isn't in the business. We are
not making it and I am sure he isn't. I think this kind of
business deserves to be treated as an agricultural business is
and that it is time to start supporting this part of Southold's
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MR. WENZEL (con't.): history and industry. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Thank you sir. Is there anybody else?
In the center? Yes sir. Again raising your right hand, the
information you are about to give us is the truth to the best of
your knowledge.
Yes it is.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER:
And you name sir.
Mr. CLAUDE CARLSON: My name is Claude Carlson. I would like to
answer your question first that you asked...
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Okay, I just want you to know, that if I
am not happy with your answer that I want you to go back. I don't
want this hearing to be completed. If you can't answer the
question tonight Claude, sit down and figure it out and do it
to the best of your knowledge. Because I do not want to complete
this hearing unless I have all the answers in my mind, okay,
for the best of my ability, because I was not a farmer, I only
observed this operation that Henry had at the time and he was
only one (1) of several people that bagged their own produce.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: I will try to answer ~our question as best I can
and you can let me know if it is satisfactory. I can give you
the best of my ability and explain to you. Our business concerns
three (3) products. It concerns lobsters, scallops, and conches.
That is the only products we've handled, we did handled also
clams at one time, but there just wasn't enough need for it
to bother with it and that was quite a few years back. We'll
start with the lobsters. What we do with lobsters is we have
a walk-in cooler, we have lobstermen who bring them in, they
weigh in their own lobsters, put them in the cooler and come
in and write up a ticket in the kitchen. Leave them in the
cooler, after, later after, late in the afternoon, I will go out
there with my son and we will sort out the lobsters, whatever
we need big, we will sort out pound lobster, from pound and a
quarter lobsters, put them into different tubs and reweigh them
and check them for quality. Maybe reject some that we pull out
that we don't like, like their shells are not hard enough or
whatever. Kind of a quality control sorting operation. They
stay in the cooler over night and get sent out the next morning
on our van locally around Long Island, mostly in Suffolk County,
some up towards New York. Basically that is the only thing we
do with the lobsters. We take them in, sort them, pack them,
and send them out. Scallops was our main stay of our business,
up until we had the brown tide problem. As far as scallops went,
we, I scalloped myself and some people, my family and father also
scalloped. I started with him. At the time we were scalloping,
we needed scallop shop to open them, we had to get permits from
the right agencies to have our scallop shop. We would hire my
mother-in-law, and a few other friends that would come over and
open for us on a piece meal basis in our shop. As we started
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MR. CLAUDE CARLSON (con't.): doing it for ourselves, we had
a couple of other people that said well, could you help us,
could we get our scallops opened over there also. We know
somebody else would come over, we'll opened some of ours and
my aunt would come over and give us a hand. So we put in four (4)
benches in our scallop shop, so we could handle a few more boats.
We were helping ourselves and helping other people at the same
time. Not only for the necessity of getting the scallops opened
and packaged properly and refrigerated properly, but also as the
aspect of marketing was a necessity where the scallop prices
were so depressed at the time, Braun's operation couldn't handle,
they had more than they wanted to handle at the time, as did
places on the South Fork. And we took our products and move them
up into New England, off of Long Island to try to help the whole
situation. You know, we tried to get them out of this market
when it was depressed to get them into a difference market. And
that is how we started working with other baymen basically.
That was where that came into play, about fifteen (15) years ago.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Before you go any farther, the lobsters,
okay, any physical change in characteristics of the lobster?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: None, they are alive.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: They are alive. They were shipped alive
to their specific spot. They were not boiled, their meat was
not taken out, whatever the case may be.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Nothing but sorting and sizing.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Scallops, they were shucked. They were
put into plastic bags, half a pound, one pound. That's it.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: No. They were put into one gallon bags
with labels on them according to what the DEC and the Department
of Agriculture tells us they wanted labels on. They were coded
properly.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Then they were put into the refrigerator.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Then they were put into a fish carton. Like
you pack fish in. So many gallons, six or eight (6 or 8) gallons
in a carton, depending on where they were going. And they are
iced, we heavily ice them, then they are put into the walk-in
cooler.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Okay. I'm sorry. Go ahead.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: The third part of our operation is the
conch operation. This was an off shoot of the scallops. This
started because the guys that were scalloping were catching
conches. The law states that it is illegal to throw them back
over. They are shell fish preditors. They eat scallops and
they eat clams. The DEC laws or the conservation law, I am
not sure exactly which law it is, I'm certain it is illegal to
throw them back overboard. They have to be brought /~ If you
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MR. CLAUDE CARLSON (con't.): bring them in, and they start
bringing them in, what can we do with them. We started to shipping
them out in bushels to New York. We could only get $3.00 to
$4.00 a bushel for them. For the cost of the shipping, it was
spinning our wheels doing nothing. We tried to find a way to
market them. We started breaking them out of the shell, which
is a time consuming, and miserable operation, because they told
us in Fulton Market they would gladly buy the meats, but they
didn't want them in the shell. That went on for about one (1)
season, and we said this wasn't going to work. We will have to
try something different. And we tried a few different things
and we found out. We have a steam machine we use for cleaning
up stuff and we found out if we hit them with steam long enough
they fall out of the shell. So all we did was start putting
them into some stainless steel container and steaming them long
enough so that we could pull them out of the shell with a fork.
And that is what we do. We steam them, pull them out of the
shell, we have a stainless steel bench and sink there, and we
put them on the bench and pull them out, then we wash them off
and then we pack them like in a shrimp box, what a shrimp box
would be if you bought a whole box of shrimp, plastic bag and
then into a wax coated white carton that holds seven (7) pounds.
And then we put them into the freezer and freeze them. Then
after they are frozen, the next morning we package them up into
master cartons and save them up until we get 25, 50, or 100
cases, and then we sell them to different brokers and fish
markets around Long Island.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Let me ask you a question about the conches.
Is the meat itself cut or manicured in anyway after they are
steamed.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: No there is a gut that is on there along
with ....
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Exclusive of the gut. The meat itself.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: No.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Is it breaded?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: No.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Is it fried?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: No.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Is there any other preparation other than
steaming it, for the sole purpose of taking it out of the shell.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: On occassion, we sort them.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: okay, that is in reference to size.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Size. That is the only thing we do. WE have
had customers request sorted sizes and sometimes we did that. We
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MR. CLAUDE CARLSON (con't.) : haven't done that in a couple of
years, but we have done that in the past.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: What happens to the water,
Is that dissipated into the ground through the
floor?
the steam water?
drains in the
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Yes, we have a drain pipe
down into our cesspool. We use very hot steam.
littled waste water.
that goes straight
We have very
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: What about the shells, they are taken to the
landfill.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: We have one pick-up that I put on about
seven or eight (7 or 8) years ago, we built a little dump body
on it with a hydraulic lift and put them right on the dump truck,
and they are taken every day to the dump and dumped and brought
back the truck is washed and cleaned.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Okay Go ahead, continue, I am sorry.
MR. CI~AUDE CARLSON: And that is it. That is the extent of our
business. We have about, when we have scallops, we have a lot
of people who like to deal with us, we can't always handle all
the people who would like to deal with us, and we are hoping that
that will come back some day, we saw a little bit of that the
last couple of years. Basically, right now we're mostly down
to lobstermen that we deal with, about twelve or fifteen (12 or
different ones, that some of them we have been dealing with
twenty (20) years in the Town. We just did the same thing, as
when we came out of the scallop thing, when we started to
try and market products and other people said can you help me,
you know, can you help move some of mine. That is how it pro-
gressed. We didn't try to sneak anything in through the back
door, we just went along doing what we were always doing and
what we tried to do was go along with anybody that came, the
DEC, or the Department of Agriculture whoever who had any juris-
diction over us and conform to what they wanted. YOu know, we
had to have a freezer that was a certain temperature, so we
could freeze the stuff properly, we had to code the boxes pro-
perly, you know, so that they are coded and dated, so forth,
for whatever purposes they see fit on that end.
15)
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: I know we discussed briefly, at the last
hearing, the nature of the hours of the operation. But could
you just give us some idea about the hour of the operation again.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: As far as the lobsters go, I would say 90%
of the lobsters come in from the fishermen, come in the middle
of the afternoon between 3 and 6 o'clock. Usually between
3 and 5, we have occassional guys who will come in at noon time
because they put a half a day in and occassionaly somebody will
come at 6:30 or 7:00 p.m. Between 3 and 6 is the majority of it
most all the time. There is exception on occassion, because of
weather and so forth, but that is normal. The scallop operation
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MR. CLAUDE CARLSON (con't.) : this past year, was usually, the
scallopers wouldn't get in till afternoon, so we would have a
few people over there, shucking scallops in the afternoon from
4:00 to 8:00 at night, usually by 8:30 we would have the shop
cleaned up, 8:30, 9:00 o'clock we would the have the shop cleaned
up and out of there.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: But the scallops would be delivered at a
reasonable time after the baymen came in with...
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: They would come direct, when they come in
they come directly to us, but because how hard the scalloping is,
in years past, they would be in early in the morning, mid-morning
but now in this past couple of years with the little bit there
has been, they stay out till 3:00 4:00 o'clock, before they would
come in. Now on the conch operation, they come in any time
during the day, usually not before noon and up till 4, 5, maybe
6:00 o'clock at night. Very seldom any comes or goes after
6 o'clock at night. It is a rare occassion. As far as processing
the conches goes, we try to work around that, try to keep
everybody happy around us, so we wouldn't have any complaints.
WE have started, when we work very early in the morning, start
at 6 o'clock, so we have to steam them for an hour, so they
are done at 7:00 a.m. Usually you would be done by 11 o'clock
12 o'clock in the morning. One time, years back when scalloping
was heavy and we had some guys who were also potting conches at
the time when they were scalloping, we were handling five (5)
times the amount we have been in the past couple of years. I
mean, we are just hanging on, it's almost hardly viable now
to the amount of stuff that we can handle to make it worthwhile.
I mean, we are just hanging on to try to get through these hard
times and hoping that things will get better. And I think that
should answer everything you would need to know as far as what
we do there, there is nothing else that goes on, we don't handle
any fish, persay it's all just'%he three (3) shellfish items
and three (3) years ago for a two-week period in the spring
when squid were heavy, we tried freezing up some squid just to
see if we could put some in the freezer and take it out later
and it might be worth something, but that is it.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: It din't work out. We thank you very much
sir.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: I would like to say a few other things, I
have a few notes here, I don't want to be redundant over some
of the things that have already been said, but I would like to
go over this quick, in case somebody missed something that ....
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: No problem. You are welcomed to sit down
and come back up again if you like.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: No. I think I am ready. Since I am here.
I would just like you to know that I have lived out here my
whole life and I worked on the water for thirty (30) years.
I started when I was clamming, when I was in junior high school
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MR. CLAUDE CARLSON (con't.): and our family business supports
our two families. My father, myself, my brother and my son.
That is our only employees except when we have the part-time
shucker come over.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: You live in the immediate area right?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: I abut the property.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: You abut the property. That is the one
to the north, northeast. It is a ranch I think.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Yes. Right exactly. My backyard abuts
the same as his backyard and the barns are touching both of
our properties actually. What I would like you to know, if we
are forced out of business, if we have to try to relocate,
economically, it is impossible, even if there was something
available. But there isn't anything available. According to
the zoning codes they way they are now, we should be in a
marine one or two (M-l, M-2) district. There is nothing avail-
able out there, if we could afford to spend a half-a-million
dollars and buy it, it is not even available. So there is no
other place for us to go. As Mr. Goggins stated, we always
felt that we should be equal as farmers. The Federal and the
State Government treats us the same as farmers. We have a
Tax I.D. number, the same as farmers do, and we fall under the
jurisdiction of the Department of Agriculture. And my personal
feeling is that we should be allowed our products from the seas
the same as farmers are allowed to handle their products and
package them and so for from off the land. The Town Code pro-
tects the interest of farmers. I have noticed under the purpose
of the A-C District, that it states right in there that they
would want to protect the legitimate interest of farmers and
I think it should as well protect those interests of fishermen.
There are many accessory uses in the A-C Zone. Uses that are
committed, that I can see a lot more complaints coming out of
than anything that we are doing. It has been mentioned, and I
know some of you Board members have visisted, and I am not sure
if you have been there while we've been operating or not, but
I know most you Board members have dropped by at some point
or other over the proceedings of this. But also, we have had
Town Board members while we have been in operation, we have had
DEC personnel over while we have been in operation, Department
of Agriculture personnel, and also Board of Health, Mr. Klos
called the Board of Health on us at one point before he came
down to the Town here, to have him come over to us and he said
what's the problem, what am I here for. He didn't cite us for
anything. He looked around, I don't see any problem, there
should be no reason for me to having to anything to say about
what you are doing. Of all our twenty (20) years in business
where we have been here, we never had any problems with anybody.
And we have been strictly watched over the years.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Can I ask you a question at that point.
meant to ask your father.
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MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Sure.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER. There was some hearsay concerning a cesspool
that was connected to the house that was giving off some odor.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: That was a true story.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: That was one of the areas that was of
concern, I think, with one of the neighbors who had complained
at one time.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Right. I think Mr. Grigonis was there one
day and I showed him on the east side of my father's house, there
was an old cesspool. The house is a couple of hundred years old,
I'm not sure how old it is, it is very old. There were more
cesspools there than we knew. There was an old clay line, running
from one cesspool to another, which is on the east end of his
house which abuts up to Mr. Klos's property and the other property
next to him, right back where his garden is in the back there.
What was happening is that the tree roots had gotten into the
clay pipe and clogged it up and it was seeping out of the ground
over there, right on the side of his But that had
nothing to do with our business. That was the house cesspool.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: It did give off an odor though.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Oh yea.
fact, you can still see it.
now when that ....
We had to have it all dug up. In
This has been about two years ago,
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: But there is no more odor.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: No. It's gone now.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Excuse me, I didn't mean to. That was a
question I was going to ask your father to get back up, but
since you were up there.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: That was a problem at one point, one summer
there and we didn't even know. My father was the only one living
at the house at the time and he has an air-conditioner in his
bedroom, with his window closed all the time on that end of the
house and we didn't even know it. It just happened to be, one
day walking around over by the trees there, we smelled something
and walked over and looked. It was seeping out of the ground
over there. We had to dig it up and we found out what a problem
we had. But that was a house problem, it has nothing to do
with our business what so ever. You asked before, at one point,
up here about van noises and you wanted to bring everything out
in the open. Since we are bringing everything out in the open,
I can tell you exactly what happened. Mr. Klos threatened me
and called the police on me a couple of times because of my
letting my son's band practice over there. I never let him
practice after dark. After 8:30 9 o'clock at night, at the
very latest.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: This is at, your father's house.
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MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: No this is in my house and also in the scallop
shop, when we weren't using it, when there was no scallops a
couple of years back. I let them set up their equipment in there
and practice sometimes. I had to get them out of my cellar.
Because I had too much stuff to be moving around. He made a couple
of threats to me about how I am going to have the cops over there
and I am going to do this and going to do that and I talked to
the Police about it and I said we plan on having a party once a
summer, we let them have a party on my property and set their
band up and play. It is like their big thing for the su/~mer.
Once a year, they see how they improving. So I asked the Police
about it ahead of time. I informed them that I was planning on
having a party and the band would be playing. Because I knew he
was going to complaining. And they said they went over and
talked to him and told him why don't you go somewhere for the
night instead calling us up ten (10) times and complaining about
it. And even still, the very next day this happened, approximately
two (2) years ago, not quite two (2) years ago now, it will be
two (2) summers ago coming up. I stopped at Ted's Auto Body
on the way on my deliveries the next morning, his son Bob is a
good friend of mine. I don't even remember what I stopped for,
I don't know if I dropped him a few lobsters he asked for or
if I had to see something about the boat, and I don't even re-
member but, he threatened me right there. You know, I had a
friend with me that was going with me on deliveries for a ride,
he just came right out and threatened me that I am going to be
choking you and this and that, you know, you can't get away with
this, you'll see, I will show you. And this is where everything
blew up at that point. But I just wanted to make that point
to you since you asked about it. I wouldn't have brought it up
if you haven't asked, ~o I wanted to let you know what the true
story was. As far as anything else, I have got to say, as I
explained to you, we started our business, actually from me
working on the water and a few friends and it became a necessity
to try to market our products. And it kind of just filled in
that way. We feel, we greatly contribute to the economy of the
Town of Southold. We help a lot of people and we contribute a
lot to the economy through what we are doing.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: And you have been there approximately twenty
(20) years?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Approximately twenty (20) years. I don't
know exact date, it is very close to that. And the only thing I
meant to say in conclusion is that our Country was founded on
the idea of Liberty, you know for us to be able to support our-
selves, walk the land and seize as we saw fit as we so choose,
and I would like to quote somebody that I read here, aback awhile
and I'm not even sure who said it, but I'm taking it from
somebody's quote that I am greatful that I live in a Country that
not only has a Constitution, but a conscience to which an appeal
can be made. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER:
starts about when?
Before you sit down, the conch operations,
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Usually 8 o'clock in the morning.
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CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: No, I mean is it in operation now?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: No it is seasonal. Ail of our business is
completely seasonal.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: When will that operation start.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Normally conch operation runs from mid-May
until August and then again from October until mid-December.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Okay. Thank you sir. Anybody else in the
center? yes Steve. How are you tonight° Again do you solemnly
swear the information you are about to give us is the truth
to the best of your knowledge?
I Swear.
MR. LATSON: I am Steve Latson. I am a local bayman and everything
everybody said is true is far as I am concerned. I have dealt
with Sandy for a considerable number of years and the place has
always seemed real clean and very unbusy typically, you go there
you are one of the few people there. You have to go and find
somebody if you want to get some money or something. And it is
just a real quite, laid back operation. And the points that Roger
and Pete made about fishing and fishing industry are very important
also because as we know, M-I and M-II really is the only ,~
provided areas in the Town. And fact is even people that, and
basically that provides for Marinas. And even marinas now, if
you talk to Bill Lieblein~ or somebody will tell you somebody
couldn't start a marina now a days , you just wouldn't make
the money for the amount of money for the residential values of
the properties. So I think in the Town we really do have a
major problem that needs to be addressed long term as far as
zoning on the water to try to provide some places for fishing
access and things like that, if we got rid of the brown tide.
That is another aspect. That is about it. I think everybody said
what needs to be said. Thanks.
Tape turned over.
CHAIRMAN. GOEHRINGER: Mr. Flynn. Again raising your right hand,
sir, do you solemnly swear the information you are about to give
us is the truth to the best of your knowledge.
MR. FLYNN: I certainly do.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Thank you sir.
MR. FLYNN: My name is F.M. Flynn. I am a resident of Southold
and I have been engaged in matters similar to this over an extended
period of time and I have rarely encountered a specious and cyn-
ical application. Now, in the course of the evening, we have
heard many extraneous comments about the state of the seafood
industry, which may very well be true, particularly the shellfish
industry, the fact that it is water depend~nt, which implies
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MR. FLYNN (con't.): of course, water frontage, we have heard
rousing endorsements of the applicant's character. But we
haven't discussed the essential question here. This is an illegal,
nonconforming operation and I hear that it has been conducted
for twenty (20) years. Now my research of the Town's records
indicates that this property was acquired in 1980 and the initial
stage of what is shown on the assessment records, as a garage
was built in 1980 and expanded twice since then. So really what
you gentlemen are faced with is a question of an illegal operation
which has flouted the law for at least twelve (12) years for
which complaints were filed and on those complaints the Town took
no action what-so-ever. These complaints are a matter of record
at various Town agencies and on the Police blotter of the Town
of Southold. Now, the essential confusion that seems to be,
seem to attempt to be in here, is confusion between agriculture
and aquaculture. So if you willindulge me, I will read from the
Southold Town Code. In which it defines agriculture as the33
production, keeping, or maintenance for sale, lease or personal
use of plants and animals useful to man including, but not
limited to forages and sod crops, grains and seed crops, dairy
animals and dairy products, poultry and poultry products, live
stock including beef cattle, sheep, swine, horses, ponys, mules
or goats, or any mutation of hybrids thereof. Including the
breeding and grazing of any and all such animals, bees and aviary
products~ fur~ animals, fruits of all kinds, including, grapes,
nuts and berries, vegetables, floral, ornamental and greenhouse
products or lands devoted to a soil conservation or forestry
management program. That is 10~0-13 of the Town Code. Now there
is no question that this definition has no relationship what-
so-ever to aquaculture. As a matter of fact, were Latin is
widely taught today, as when I was a boy, we could all go home
early. Agriculture comes from Ata and cultura, which means
cultivation of the field. Aquaculture obviously is the cultivation
of the water and incidently aqua generaly refers to fresh water,
rather than salt water. Now, there is no defination in the
Town Code of aquaculture. However, the State of New York defines
aquaculture as shall mean the cultivation and harvesting of
products that are naturally are produced in the marine environment
including shellfish, crustaseans, and seaweed and in the install-
ation of cribs, racks, and in water structures for cultivating
such products. But shall not mean the construction of any
building or fill or dredging or the construction of any water
regulated structures. Now it means that cultivation and har-
vesting and not the processing, which is the important issue here.
The other related definations which I will submit to, again
from the Town Code and I won't read them at length, but refers
to agricultural production and there again there is no relation
what-so-ever to aquaculture and crop is also defined amoung
these definitions· So, the Webster's Unabridged Dictionary refers
to aquaculture as a variant of aqueculture and that is to act
the act of cultivating the natural produce of water, the raising
or fattening of fish in enclosed parcels or hydroponics. Again
it is the act of cultivating, the act of tilling, it is the act
raising produc~s, not processing them. And hydroponics which is
distinct phase of aquaculture is the art or science of growing
plants in water containing all the nutrient elements. This may
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MR. FLYNN (con't.): be the area from which the confusion,or
the purported confusion between aquaculture and agriculture arises.
Now, if ~nere is none, if there is no relationship, but provable
relationship between aquaculture and agriculture, obviously there
is no basis to this application what-so-ever. But let us go on.
from that point. I have some notes here to which I will refer
and try to cut it a little bit shorter. Now, as I understand
this application as it is submitted here, the applicant wants
a shellfish distribution business. Now this is the same application,
3975 which has been pending, to my knowledge, for at least a
year and a half. I think we had hearings back in June of 1990,
if I remember correctly about this. And that application called
for the processing, storage, retail, sale of fish products, the
freezing of fish products, etc, etc. Now, each time this appli-
cation comes up, it is altered and amended to appear more
innocous, but the fact of the matter is, what I am saying is
easily check, that is the what is intended in this application
3975. Now what is really sought here and is such a common
occurrence in this Town, is a zoning change in the guise of a
variance. Now, as you gentlemen know, a variance is granted based
on practical difficulties or financial hardship. You can hardly
complain that there are practical difficulties here, there are
none for the purpose for which the property is zoned and were
there any, it would be self-created. Now with respect to hard-
ship, the burden of proof is on the applicant. And if you
recall, in the case of Greenport Commons, I stood here and insisted
that for you to grant a variance based on hardship, there has to
be dollars and cents proof that the property is virtually
worthless as zoned. Now were you to research the background of
this property, it was purchased in 1980, I believe, for an
approximate price, as indicated on the deed, of $40,000.00
(forty thousand dollars). And at that time, in the mortgage,
it was stated that the property was only improved by a residence.
So all this business activity has taken place since 1980. Now
to prove that property is worthless as zoned, I defy anybody
to submit any evidence to that effect. One (1) acre of vacant
land is obviously worth more than $40,000.00, even in todays
market and improved by a substantial residence, any appraiser
is certainly going to come up with a substantial figure. Now
variances are granted in the spirit of the chapter, at least
according to the Town Code. And the spirit of zoning of which
variances would be based, an alteration of the zoning, is reflected
in the comprehensive plan, which the Town Board has produced.
And zoning is actually the effectuation of that plan. Now, the
uses proposed in the original application are only permitted
in M-II zoning
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~4R. FLYNN (CON'T.): for are we respected to warehouse opera-
tions and incidently, we are not talking about a warehouse
operation, we are talking about processing. If you do anything
other than take in a finished product and redistribute it, it is
not a warehousing operation, it's a business operation and you
are processing something. And beyond that, if I recall, and I
think the reference was made to 100-31 A (2) in the applica-
tion, my interpretation of that is that you can only process
materials generated on the property. Not bringing in products
from outside, processing them, and reshipping them. This is an
entirely different question. Now the question is the expansion
of this business. I calculated from the assessment record, that
this original so-called garage was built in 1980 and it was added
to twice subsequent to that and it currently, apparently some-
where around 2330 square feet of ground area and from my obser-
vations it is two (2) stories high. Now in the course of
developing this property, and I think reference was to this, the
Building Inspector was there three (3) times. Now initially, he
may have taken it as a garage, the first stage of it, but the
second and third stages obviously there was a business being
conducted on the property. The same may be said of the Assessor
initially he took it as a garage. If he did his job, and I was
an Assessor in the long distance past, you come back and you
check and if there is anything wrong with the operation
according to the code, you report it to the relevant depart-
ments of the Town or the municipality. Now, apparently none of
this was done. So my advice to the owners of adjouning prop-
erties is that this is properly a matter for the Attorney
General. This Town has refused to enforce its code, there have
been complaint after complaints submitted about this property,
there have been Policemen whom I understand have signed the
blotter to the effect that there were noctious odors eminating
from this property, and for the Town to permit this operation to
continue in my opinion constitues mal, mis and nonfeasances on
the part of Town officials and should be reported to the District
Attorney for his attention. Further, I would recommend to the
owners of the abutting, incidentl¥ we have had extranious com-
ments here about attempting to turn us aside from the main issue
here, which is a questions whether this is legal business or
whether it can be made a legal business, about noise eminating
from the property. This is an attempt to gain some sort of sym-
pathy, I don't know what is the point, but nothing could be more
extranious to the basic issue here. Now, my advice for what it
is worth to the owners of the property who have been patiently
waiting for the Town to do what it should do under the law, would
be to consider retaining an attorney to investigate the question
of harassment. You folks are or should be familiar with the
bundle of rights that a property owner has and among them, is the
peaceful and quite enjoyment of his property. If this is dis-
turbed, he is essentially being harassed. And finally, I would
say that were this Board to permit this operation to continue by
reason of granting a variance. I would recommend to the abutting
owners or any~od~ else involved in this thing, that they file an
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MR. FLYNN (con't.): action for consequential damage against
the Town for having created damage and the evaluation of their
property by reason of the action taken by the Town. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Claude I have to ask you a question
anyway
Claude, would you come up~and use the mike.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Can I say a couple of things before I
forget. Well, he said so many things, I would like to refute
a few of them.
C~AIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Before you say that. I just want to
mention one thing to Mr. Flynn, Mr. Flynn this is not a variance,
this is an interpretation, okay. We are not ~here dealing with a
variance. This is an interpretation.
MR. FLYNN: If you have two (2) phases to this thing, they are
asking for a right to conduct a business on the property. First
you have the definition, then you have the questions of whether
they conduct a business under the specified section of the Code.
To conduct that business they require a variance, a use variance.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: That is the second phase, but I will get
back to you on that. Go ahead.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: First of all, he said so much, I couldn't
keep up with it and there are a few things I wanted to get back
to. But one of them he mentioned something about retail that we
applied for a retail. For use as retail sales. We have never
done any retail sales, and we don't intend to and we never asked
for it. He is standing up there saying stuff that is untrue and
I just want to make sure we get the record clear. I think if
you look back through our applications whatever papers we have on file,
you will find nothing to do with any retail of any kind in
the past or the future. Another point brought up is he is
standing there under oath telling you that the Police have some-
thing on their Police blotter, claiming that they were over
there and there were noxious' odors there. I was there when the
Police came, and there was no problem at all. IJn fact, two (2)
police cars came at the same time I arrived back from the dump
and we had steamer going there, with the steam coming out and
they were standing ten (10) feet away from the barn and so no
problem what-so-ever, and we got a copy of their police report
because we wanted to know for ourselves what was said afterwards
and there was nothing like that. He is telling you, he is claim-
ing he is under oath, but he doesn't have any proof of what-so-
ever. And I think that this was brought up at our earlier hear-
ing, but I would like to go on record as bringing it up again, I
was informed in the beginning of this procedure way back, that
my understanding of this, and correct me if I am wrong, but ou
Town Code was adopted out of Town Code from upstate New York
town, it was drawn up for a Town in upstate New York. And of
course there were no provisions put in for salt water businesses,
and fishing, and anything related to it because they had nothing
up there. I think the only way something would have been put into
the code, if something else would have come up over the years before
now that would have brought to somebody's attention to do something
about it. Am I right about that.
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CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: No. I just wanted to. The consulting firm of
Raymond Parrish Pine are from (upstate) NY, that is the only thing,
if there was some absence in the new Code, it would have been not
addressed during the production of the Code, it wasn't necessarily
because it was an upstate firm. Okay.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Okay, I understaned but I just wanted to bring
the point up that it was, one way or another, it could have been.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: I just want to mention two (2) things for both
yourself and for Mr. Flynn and I understand Mr. Flynn is a little
agitated that what you said concerning this I am not, I find these
statements to be counter productive to this specific hearing, okay,
and not the emulation of smell or noise, whatever the case may be,
because we will go down again and check this out prior to the conclu-
sion of this hearing and that is the reason why I asked you when the
conch operation started. Okay. It doesn't necessarily mean also
that we are continueing this hearing until May until you get in full
fledged operation of that. My question to you is this, you are talking
about being in business for twenty (20) years, how long has your
father rented the property from the Terry Estate prior to the purchase
of the property from the Terry Estate.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Approx. eight (8) years. So we have been there
twenty (20) years, but he only bought it twelve (12) years ago.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Eight (8) years before that he rented the prop-
erty for a period of eight or ten (8 or 10) years from the Terry
Estate.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: About eight (8) years. What we told you was
correct. We didn't own it for the whole time.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER; I have a gentleman sitting on this Board that
is telling me that at the inception of the either purchase or the
lease of this property, that there was a scallop shop on that prop-
erty. Is that true?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: I'm not certain, I couldn't answer that honestly.
We put new benches in there.
MEMBER GRIGONIS: My mother used to go down there and buy scallops.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Yea, well the shop wasn't used as a garage, it
was the scallop shop now to my knowledge, it wasn't used as a garage.
It was built as a garage originally, but anytime since we have been
in the twenty (20) years it was never sued as a garage. We used it as a
scallop shop as soon as my father rented the place.
MEMBER GRIGONIS: Yea, but the shop had been there long before that.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: I'm not sure about that because when my father
started there, I wan't living ther with him at the time.
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CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Okay, we will ask your father that
question. But we thank you Claude. Mr. Flynn.
MR. FLYI~N: As to the question of retail sales on the property,
I relied on my recollection of the orginal application which does
mention sales from the property. I am not quite sure as to
whether it specifically mentioned retail or not. However, there
were sales mentioned. The more recent statement with respect to
the existance of a improvement, some sort of shop on the
property, I think I have even submitted, but if I haven't sub-
mitted to the Board, I will submit a copy of the mortgage which
says that the property was only improved by a residence. Now
there was one other question here, actually it escapes my mind,
but, oh yes, my integrity was challenged here. Now if I am re-
citing something but I was told directly by Mr. Klos that he has
copies of the reports submitted by the Police, or the reports
filed by the Police Department after visiting his property, but
durinq the period of fish processing and at that time there were
noxious odors permsating the area, eminating from this
property and I scarcely think that this Board at this late date
is out to find any credible evidence at to whether such odors
exist or not when the applicant prepared to cover up any such
type of emission. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Just before you sit down, I want to
mention something to you sir. I have a copy of the application
in front of me and the reason for the appeal as an amended app-
lication to Appeal 9 3975 for an interpretation. We can copy
this for you and give this to you, this is an interpretation,
this is not necessarily a variance, just so you are aware of it.
MR. FLYNN: May I ask you a interpretation of what of definition
of agriculture and aquaculture?
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: I can't read it in front of you at this, I
would be very happy to give you a copy of it and you can digest
it.
MR. FLYI~N: But may I ask you a direct question. Based upon
this interpretation, is not a variance sought here.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: I would say in the near, you want to
answer it.
MR. GOGGINS: It is simply an interpretation. I didn't ask for
a variance, I asked for a interpretation. If he had read the
papers correctly, he wouldn't have gone on for so long. And if
Mr. Flynn wants to represent people, he should do it a~curately
and if they want to testify, they should testify, he shouldn't
testify for them. If they smelled obnoxious odors or offensive
odors, then they should testify, not Mr. Flynn.
MR. FLYNN: I am not representing anybody other than myself as
a citizen and resident of the Town of Southold. As far as my
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interpretation of what I received in the mail, I think I read
fesonably well, although my eyesight isn't as good as it was,
it says for approval of a wholesale shellfish distribution
business, that is the primary point of the application, but the
caring that aquaculture use falls within the purview of
agricultural use.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Again, the first line, and please I am
not discrediting your reading ability, I assure you, this appeal
is an interpretation resulting from the Notice of Disapproval,
okay,so he is asking for any establishment, any construction, any
further variances that would be required would not necessarily
be the nature of this hearing. Just so you are aware of that.
MR. FLYNN: Just let me ask one further question, if I may.
Can you decide the question of the variance on this property
without holding future public hearings.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Absolutely not. Let us see, where does
that leave us. I would say, the ~nly question I have is the same
question that goes back throughout the evening and that is the
issue of comparing this operation to that of the operation of the
farmer and that is basically what I am asking Mr. Goggins to come
with. And I would sincerely appreciate, although I know that
this is going to upset you Mr. Flynn, I would sincerely like to
see that, okay in a presentation, not a lengthly presentation,
one that can be done in 15 minutes and out, completed so that we
can then finally put to rest that particular issue, okay. And
before you discuss this, I do not feel it necessary, and if you
people are incorrect, I would be very happy to stand corrected
at this point that Mr. Grigonis's statement that he felt that
the Terry property which is the nature of this hearing tonight
for an interpretation, was a scallop shop prior to Mr. Carlson
taking title or in fact being a tenant on the property. And if
you want me to swear him in, I would be very happy to, then he
can't vote on it. But I have no problems with that. In this
particular case he has told us that. Mr. Grigonis has in the
past, as in the case of Mr. Doyen who has been on this Board as
you know as of January of this year, some thirty-five (35) years.
And have been involved in the inception of zoning of this town,
and have far more wisdom than I will ever have and any of us
sitting up here, and I am not discrediting my two (2) colleagues
to the right of me, to the left of you. It is just my opinion.
I am making a general statement.
MR. FLYNN: I just wanted to submit this and again there seems
to be a little bit of a contretemps, the mortgage on this prop-
perty would in my opinion, constitute a fraudulent document, if
what Mr. Grigonis, depending upon his recollection is correct,
then the mortgage is fraudulent because
it states that the property is improved by a one-family house.
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CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Mr. Carlson is there something either one
of you would like to answer back there. Sandy.
MR. ARTHUR CARLSON: Yes. There was a lean-to there that I
ripped apart that had some kind of bench in it, it might had been
a scallop shop, as Charlie says. I don't know if it was a
scallop shop, I am not familar with the property back then. But
it very well could have been. There were many of them, there
were hundreds of them in Southold, New Suffolk, and Greenport at
that time.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Thank you. Mr. Flynn.
MR. FLYNN: Again, as these things come up they have to be
countered while they are fresh. If this was a nonconforming
use, eliminating that shed, eliminated the non conforming use.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Charlie indicated to us that is was in
the garage, Mr. Flynn.
MR. FLYNN: Which garage?
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: The orginal garage that has been added
on to three times, or whatever that structure is now.
MR. FLYNN: Sir, the Building Department records indicate that
an initia~ garage was built in 1980.
MR. ARTHUR CARLSON: No that is incorrect.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Would you allow him to speak before you
Mr. Flynn. Go ahead Mr. Carlson.
MR.ARTHUR CARLSON: The original barn that you see by the
site plan which you all have copies of shows the old barn with
two doors, low overhead, that is where the scallop shed is. And
that is probably where is was before, just like it was twelve
years back. And there was another structure next to that that
we added on to in about five, six (5, 6) years ago.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: While I have you up, again I am not
trying to belabor this topic, I am only trying to understand
this process here. Was that garage on the property twenty (20)
years ago when you started using this property, living on this
property. That garage was there, that is the nature of the
scallop shop as it exists today and that garage has only been
altered or added on to, once. I have one other question, I
can't remember at this time. I will get back to you in just a
second.
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MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: I want to clarity the evidence. In it was
the big building, he called it two stories, but it is one story
it is high, we did that for a purpose. That has never been
added to. It is an orginal building for the building with a
building permit and since then in addition to the existing
garage, that we call it, is the scallop shop.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Mrs. Flynn, again Mrs. Flynn, with your
right hand please that the information you are about to give us
is the most honest to the best of your ability.
MRS. FLYNN: I am most certainly not a fisherman and I
most certainly not a farmer, although I do come from the North
Sea Coast, I was born there and grew up on the North Sea Coast
and I was many years at sea and I come from a family, at least
from one side of the family, from the side of long seafaring
people. Also the country I am coming from or the part of the
Country that I am coming from have the most richest farm land in
my Country. And there is something which came up here about the
difference between farm products
and fish products and processing it. Well storing potatoes and
storing fish or processing fish is certainly more different. I
can, even the smell from if you would cook potatoes or cook fish
or clam, there is more certainly a different and it can smell
and it does smell, and I think there is no one in this room who
Gould say any different. And I think it is almost ridiculous
to say there is no smell from cooking fish or clams or steaming
them. Anybody who cooks can smell that in the kitchen.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: That is not necessarily, I
understand your
position there, but that is not necessarily what I am looking
for. I am looking for ....
MRS. FLYNN: Yea, you are looking for a difference, if the
farmers are selling their products to the wholesaler, or if he is
only a wholesaler. Now he is processing, he is processing and
steaming and then selling. He is not taking the fish from the
sea and selling the fish, he is taking the fish or from the
baymen, he is processing it and steaming it, it is processing
it, it is one part of one step of processing and taking it out
of the shell is the second step. And then he is passing it on
to a wholesaler or a restaurant or a fish store. So he is
processing. The farmer is not processing and even if he is he
is cutting up some of the leaf of his cauliflower or if he is
washing his potatoes and he is packing it. That is his own
product.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: And it is not that I don't believe you,
okay, it is just that I haven't established that in my own mind
at this point and I haven't done that because there are other
processes that the farmer goes through prior to actual taking of
that potato and placing it in a bag and putting it on the open
market when it is not sold in bulk. And that is what I want Mr.
Goggins to present here so I can keep that in my mind as being
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER (CON'T): Operation A and Operation B. You
understand that? In no way am I discrediting your statement
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I am just telling you there is a form of processing that the
farmer does. Okay. There is certainly a form of processing
that these gentlemen have told us that they do. And I don't
want you to .....
MRS. FLYNN: But we are talking about processing the product
itself.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: But I don't want you to limit it only to
the conches. Okay, because they have another operation, which
two other fish related activities are dealt with there.
MRS. FLYNN: Besides which they are doing it in a residential
zoning and while I am under oath, as you know, I am a real
estate broker and I am a graduate of the real estate institute
and I am in my business for twenty-two (22) years and I am asso-
ciated with but I can tell you
Miss Larson made a statement if you would close him up, you will
break him. Well if you leave him in business, you will break
the surrounding people. Because it will devaluate their prop-
erty tremendously. There are many, many homes for sale and it
is a hard time for everybody, but just, just, if you set preci-
dent with this case, and you give him the permit, I as a broker
would have to tell the next person coming in here, look I can
sell your house here, but I don't know if maybe in two (2) years
somebody is going to buy the house next door to you and start to
process some clams. Because he can say he can do it
because you have given a variance to somebody else, owning pre-
viously.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: But remember, we are not doing that. We
are just trying to establish a long term interpretation that has
been hanging around for a long time and this goes way back,
even before the home occupations law. But I thank you for your
time, but after the presentation, assuming I get the presentation
I am looking for, then we are going to draw a parallel between
the two and see, if we can understand exactly what the two (2)
of them do. If you just bear with us. It is not going to be
done tonight, okay, it is not going to be done tonight.
that alright with you.
MRS. FLYNN: Very good. I will here the next time.
Is
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Okay, Mr. Carlson. We are wrapping this
up here
MR. ARTHUR CARLSON: It is hard for me to remember everything
Mr. Goehringer, but when I first moved there, early 1970's, we
from Mrs. Terry. There was a bench in that old barn,
we call it a garage, you can call it whatever you want to
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MR. ARTHUR CARLSON (CON't):you want to call it. And we
did use that opening scallops, as I remember that. I had
forgotten that. We did use that for opening scallops, I found
it to be too small and nonconforming with what the DEC wanted so
I had to make it larger and put fiberglass on it and fix the
floors.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Can I ask you a question. What was the
nature of not purchasing the property in the beginning. Was it
financially the reason, or was the estate not settled, or was
the property not subdivided. What was the reason?
MR. ARTHUR CARLSON: The estate wasn't settled.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Or else you would have purchased it.
MR. ARTHUR CARLSON: It was not for sale.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: It was not for sale. You were very
simply a tenant of the Terry Estate until such time that the
property became available for sale. Is that correct?
MR. ARTHUR CARLSON: Yes.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: So. I am going to ask Mr. Goggins, if
he can to draw me a parallel between the two. I ask you to
bring a farmer in here. Okay. That is what you are going to
do. Okay, we will tell you when we will reconvence this hearing
and it will be in a timely fashion and I will get back to you
and I offer that gentlemen as a resolution to recess this
without a date, the date will be within thirty (30) days of this
particular date or thereabouts. And we thank everybody for
their courtesy and we will make a determination. In the
interim, we will make some visits over at the site, but I am not
guaranteeing that because the operation is not running at full
force at this point that we are going to be able to see exactly
what we want to see. Yes.. I offer as a resolution, we will
readvertise so everybody is aware of it. I need a second.
MEMBER GRIGONIS: Second.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Ail in favor. Aye. Questions.
Somebody over here. Nancy you have a question.
MS. NANCY SCHWASTIWICZ: Well I just know the farmers use
chemicals, because my family is farming.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Well that was what I said, in the
processing of, when a potato is put in the barn, the potato is
gassed, or else the potato grows in its entity. So there is a
form of processing and that is what I am trying to understand.
through this process. I don't want anybody to leave here with
the idea you have not presented the information that we are try-
ing to understand. Yes.
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MR. FLYNN: I have one final comment.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: You can't, we closed the hearing.
MR. FLYNN: This may be the key to the whole thing. You talk
about the farmer and this operation as being really collateral
operations. A farmer in accordance with the Town Code,
processes products grown on his own property. This process
is produced on the property. Everything is
brought in and processed and shipped out again. So there is a
distinct difference between the two operations.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Interestingly enough this is off, this
is past the record, this is not where we are talking, we are
brainstorming at this point. That is absolutely true, Mr. Flynn
if are talking that one single farmer that owns his property
that does that operation on it. But most of the farmers today
rent the property, the barns are off-site of the property and it
is impossible to ever alia~ that situation.
MR. FLYI~N: Then I submit that very many of these people to
whom you refer are operating illegally and it's damn near
timethat this situation is straightened out in Town.
MR. ARTHUR CARLSON: Did you ever try to catch a clam or
lobster on the ground. Most of us have to go into the water to
find them.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGER: Sir, remember this is, we are not
taking testimony here. (tape changed).
MR. TED KLOS: I live right next to Carlson's property there.
In the summer, I got to keep all the windows closed all summer
long, I can't keep them windows open. My wife can't hang
clothes out there on account of the odor. When they say they
make no stink there, that is a whole different story.
CHAIRMAN GOEHRINGE: Thank you. We thank you all for coming
in and we will readvertise this hearing, we will convene it and
we will make a decision and thank you all again for your
courtesy. Have a good evening, safe trip home.
(T~nscribed by tapes recorded 3/25/92)
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTt L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
June 22, 1992
William C. Goggins, Esq.
McNulty & Spiess
633 East Main Street
P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, NY 11901
Re: Appl. No. 3975 - Interpretation
(Carlson Property)
Dear Mr. Goggins:
This will confirm that the final part of the public hearing will
be conducted at 7:45 p.m. on T~esday, June 30, 1992 at the
Southold Town Hall. This final phase of the third meeting
(public hearing) is being held, as you know, to receive
testimony (if any) from an adjoining property owner, Andre
Moraillon, and rebuttal to his input from you, as the attorney
for the applicant. It is not known for sure at this time
whether or not Mr. Moraillon will be attending.
Very truly yours,
GER3%RD P. GOEHRINGE
CHAIRMAN
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Origonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
June 19, 1992
SCOTr L. HARRIS
Supexv sor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
Mr~ Andre Moraillon
375 Akerly Pond Lane
Southold, NY 11971
Re: Appl. No. 3975 - Interpretation (Carlson Property)
Dear Mr. Moraillon:
This will confirm that the final part of the public hearing will
be conducted at 7:45 p.m. on Tuesday, June 30, 1992 at the
Southold Town Hall. This phase of the public hearing was
extended in order to provide you with an additional opportunity
to attend and submit your testimony~(if any), and rebuttal from
the attorney for the applicant. All remaining portions of the
hearing record have been received (at meetings held on March 25,
1992 and on June 4, 1992).
Very truly yours,
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
Andre Moraillon
375 Akerly Pond Lane
Southold, N.Y. 11971
IN ~ABSENCE, REQUEST IS MADE THAT TgS
ALOUD AT THE JUNE 30th PUBLIC HEARING.
LETTER BE READ
June 28, 1992
Mr. Gerard Goehringer
Chairman
Board of Appeals
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
Southold, New York 11971
Dear Mr. Goehringer,
Thank you for your letter of June 19 advising me of the public hearing
to be held on June 30 on the subject of the Carlson affair.
I will be unable to attend this hearing and therefore am enclosing, on
behalf of Ted and Catherine Klos, of 475 Akerly Pond Lane, Southold, and
myself, all of us adjacent neighbors of the Carlson property, documents
containing research relevant to the Carlson affair, done by Mr. Frank
Flynn of Southold, a friend and concerned citizen who has defended our
interests at these meetings in the past.
My neighbors and I ask that these documents be made part of the official
Carlson record.
Before the Board of Appeals makes its final decision on the Carlson
affair, it may want to con~ider the numerous Town Codes being currently
violated by Carlson on Lower Road.
It may also want to ponder the fact that Carlson has been violating these
Codes for at least 7 years.
It may also want to reflect on the fact that Carlson is violating certain
Codes with the full knowledge (if not support) of the Building Department
of the Town of Southold.
The Board of Appeals must also be aware that if it allows Carlson to
continue in his violations of Town laws and codes, the Board, its members,
and its Chairman will in fact give their support to violations of laws
that the Board has pledged to respect and enforce.
Further research into the Carlson misconduct by County, State and Federal in-
vestigators may uncover additional serious violations, including non-
payment, or underpayment of taxes over the past 7 years.
To conclude, Mr. Goehrlnger, I wish to make very clean that unless
laws and codes are strictly adhered to by the Board in ruling on the
Carlson affair, I will make it my utmost priority to make public the
Boards's irresponsibility in the performance of its duties and will
initiate ~-~,ediate legal action.
Very truly yours,
Andre Moraillon
copies: Ted and Catherine Klos
Frank Flynn
F. M. Flynn
P. O. Box 144
Southold, N. Y. 11971
Board Of Appeals
Town of ~uthold
Town Hall
Main Road
Southold, N. Y. 11971
Attn: ~erard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Re; Application No. 3975 - Arthur G. Carlson
June 20, 1992
Sirs:
At the June 4, 1992 hearing on the captioned application,
applicant's counsel introduces and discussed in support of
his client~an Appe~ate Court decision in the matter of Town
of Huntington et al, Appe~ants v. Barracuda Transportation
Co., Inc., et al Respondents.
Obviously I had no opportunity ~to analyze this decision and
its ~ implications at that time. I am taking this opportunity
to do so.
Counsel placed reliance on
on point with the apparent
before the Board.
this decision which is not remotely
intention of obfuscating the matter
By so doing, counsel is hoist on his own petard. ~ot only
does this case have no significance in this matter, but in its
decision the Court confirms my contention, so often stated
before this Board, that:
Resulations limitin~ the use of property must be strictly
construed~and if there is any doubt as to their meaning it
must be resolved in favor of the property owner." ( emphasis
supplied)
The case cited involves uses permitted in "General Business"
districts in the Town of ~tuntington and has no bearing on
uses permitted in "A - C" districts by the Southold Zoning
Code.
Further, the fact that the respondents were engaged in the
shipping of seafood is a blatant attempt to confuse the issue
1)
before the Board. Respondents could as well have been engaged
in distributing "food milk or bakery goods."
Significantly, respondents are engaged solely in distribution;
there is no packaging, no bottling and no "warehousing".
There was no processing involved. In addition, respondents
were paid for the shipping, not for the food.
!,lot b~the widest, and wildest, stretch of the imagination
can this decision be related to the subject application.
On the other hand, the Appellate C~urt's reference to
rule ~equiring the strict construc tion of regulations~the
use ef property is the heart of this matter and governs the
Board's actions in this matter and in other applications
for variances.
S~ictly Construed / Strict Construction Defined
"~ narow construction of a statute confining its operation
to matters affermatively, definitely, irresistably or specifically
pointed out by its terms , and to cases which fall fairly
wihin its letter, or the clear, plain, obvious or natural import
of the language used." (50 Am J 1st Stat Sec 388)
Statute is defined as:
An act of the legislature as an organized body."
The Zoning Code of the Town of Southold is a legislative
enactment and its regulations must be strictly construed.
In the subject instance, the Town Board, in enacting the
Zoning Code, has made affirmative provisions for the uses
conducted (and proposed) by tire applicant in zoning districts
other ~han A C districts. Thus , having made such provisions,
the inent and will of the town's legislativ body has been
specifically, clearly and obviously pointed out.
2) Fish Processin~ Defined (Southold Zonin~ Code Sec. 100 -13)
"Fish Processing - The readying of fish and shellfish for
shipping to market, including icing, cleaning, filieting,
shuckingand the cooking of crabs or lobster, but not including
other cooking, canning, freezing, smoking or other fish factory
operations."
Applicant's operations, present and proposed, as confirmed
by his own statements, clearly constitute fish processing
as defined by tire Zoning Code.
Fish processing is not a permitted use in A - C districts.
The Town Board has specified its clear intent by making affirmative
for this use in ~] II districts as a special exception.
(2)
3) Aquacultural v. Agricultural Use
A bizarre attempt has been made to confuse the issue by attempting
~~y_~fiL~g maraculture with agriculture. The Zoning Code
has drawn a clear distinction by making affirmative provisions
for aquaculture as a matterof right in M II districts and
by special exception in M I districts and by a distinct provision
for agriculture in A - C and low density residential distr~ts.
Even more bizarre is the attempt to equate fish with animals.
Semantical debate aside, the intent of the Zoning Code is
clea~y conveyed inits provisions.
Sec. 100 - 13 of the Zoning Code defines Agriculture as:
"The production, keeping or maintenance, for sale lease or
personal use, of plants and animals useful to man, including
but not limited toforages and sod crops; grains and seed
crops; dairy animals and dairy products; poultry and poultry
products; livestock, including beef cattle, sheep, swine, horses,
ponies, mules or goats or any mutations or hybrids thereof,
including the breeding and grazing of any and all such animals;
bees and apiary products; fur animals, fruits of all kinds,
including grapes, nuts and berries, vegatables; floral, ornamental
and greenhouse products; or lands devoted to asoil ~8~t£on
or forestry management program?
[.leither the extensive listing of permitted uses nor the clear
import of the language make provision fo mara cultural use,
much less for fish processing.
Livestock is defined as:
/'Domestic animals used or raised on a farm,especially those
kept for profit."
Even more definitive, Sec. 25 - 30 of the Zoning Code defines
Agricultural Production as :
"The production for commercial purposes of crops, livestock and
livestock product, but not land or portions thereof used
for processin~ or retail merchandizing of such crops~ livestock
or livestock products. Land used in agricultural production
shall include fences, equipmen't storage buildings, livestock
barns, irrigation systems and any other structures used exclusively
for agricultural purposes." (emphasis supplied)
Not even the most far reaching efforts can justify the applicant's
.operations as the production of livestock. In addition, the use
of agricultural land for livestock processing is proscribed.
(3)
4 Regulations fo Agricultural - Conservation (A-C} Districts
Southold Zoning Code Sec. 100 - 31
A
(a)
b}
Use regulations:
"In A - Ct R - 88, R - 120, R - 200 and R - 400 Districts,
no building or premises shall be used and no building or
part of a building shall be erected or altered which is arranged,
intended or designed to be used , in whole or in part, for
any use except the following:
Permitted uses:
"The following operations and accessory uses thereto, including
irrigation, provided that there shall be no storage of manure,
fertilizer or other odor or dust producin~ substan~ or use,
except spraying and dusting to protect vegatation~ within
one hundred fifty {150} feet of any lot line."(emphasis supplied)
"The raising of field and garden crops,vinyard and orchard farming,
the maintenance of nurseries and the seasonal sale of products
~rown on the premises~ subject to the following special requirements:
(emphasis supplied)
The keeping, br~ding, raising and training of horses, domestic
animals and fow~ (except ducks¥ ~n lots of ten (10} ~cres or_more~"
(emphasis supplied}
The clear language of Sec. 100 - 31 of the Zoning Code confines
the uses to those affirmatively stated and/or specifically
p~ited out.
Odor producing uses are specifically prohibited here and elsewhere
in the Code.
The district confines sales to those products grown on the
premises.
The plain language used permits the k~p~ng, breeding, raising
and training of horses, fowl (except ducks) and, specifically,
domestic animals.
The attempt to equate shellfish ~ith animals in the context
of the Code is ludicrous.. In this district the Code affirmatively
allows for domestic animals. I don't believe even the applicant
would maintain that shellfis~ are dome~c animals. I have
never seen a domesticated shellfish, nor a trainable one.
~f one were so obtuse as to confuse^with domestic animals~
it still requires ten (10} acres to ke~, breed, raise and
train domestic animals. ~
(4}
It must be noted again that the intent of the Code is clear.
It has made provision for both aquaculture and fish processing,
but not in A - C districts.
5} ~onconforming Use
The subject property's plot is nonconforming in size. The
so-called "garage" in which th~ fish processing operation
is
is conducted, ' ~lso nonconforming.
The original building for the fish pocessing operation was
erected in 1982 in accordance with Building Permit No. 11574Z,
dated 2/26/82. C. O. was isued 5/12/82.
Applicant {Carlson) stated on application that eXisting use
and occupancy was residential and that the intended use and
occupancy was residential. He further stated that the new
constuction was to be a two (2) car accessory garage. Applicant
further stated that the proposed construction did not violate
any zoning law, ordinance or regulation.
It is worthy of note that, on the face of it, agarage 42'X24'
and 16' in height, is an extraordinary size for a two ca~r
garage on a one acre plot.
The CoO. stateSthat building i~ an accessory 2 car garage
and conforms to all of the requ±rements of the applicable
provisions of law.
The C.O. further states "The occupancy for which this certificate
isissued is as accessory two car garage."
Sec. 100 13 of the Zoning Code provides the following
definition:
"Garage Private - A bulling used as an accessory to the main
building for the storage of one (1) or more gasoline or other
power - driven vehicles owned and used by the owner or tenant
of the lot on which the garage is erected for the storage
of not exceeding two {21 additional vehicles (not trucks)
owned or used by the others, and in which no occupation
business or service for profit is carried on without special
permit." (emphasis supplied}
Present fish procesing use is clearly in violation of the
or~inance and C.O.~ and has been for some ten years.
A so-called garage and storage addition to the existing "garage"
~as erected in accordance with ~uilding Permit No. 14209Z,
dated 7/29/85. C.O. No. Z13848 is dated 9/12/85.
Intended use ant occupancy was stated on application as garage
a~extended storage area. Que~stion on form -" If business,
commercial or mixed occupancyspecify nature and extent of
each use" was left nnanswered.
It was stated that proposed constructiondid not violate any
zoning law, ordinance or regulation. ~
The C.O states that structure conforms substantially to Application
for Building Permit and occupancy is addition to garage and
storage building.
C.O. further states "construction of above described building
and p~mit meets all all applicable codes and regulations."
It is apparent from the above that the entire application
procedure was deceptive. The actual intent and use should
have been apparent to Southold's Building Deparment at the
very least at the time of inspecting the addition.
The same may be said of the Board of Assessors. Property
is stillassessed as a one family dwelling. THe garage addition
which received a C.O. in 1985 did not appear on the assessment
roll until 1990.
6) legal Requirements for a Use Variance.
To obtain a use variance , applicant must m~t the standards of
proof set by the Court of Appeals in Otto v. Steinhilber.
The primary test is that the zoning be non-confiscatory;
that the proPerty have value as zoned. The test is sometimes
interpreted as a reasonable return (profit) on investment. ~
The plight (if~ any) of the~is not due to unique circumstances
except those created by the owner's illegal use.
Granting the variance would certainly alter the essential
character of the neighborhood.
During the course of these hearings an obvious effort has
been made to meet the test o~financial hardship by adding
to the original investment the cost of freezers etc. This
would be the equivalent of granting a variance to the applicant
because he had violated the law. Further, even if it were
legal, as fixtures building permits would have been required.
If personal property, they don't re~resent an investment
in real property.
.To reward the applicant for his illegal investment in freezers
etc. is the equivalent of compensating a bootleger for his
still.
(6)
7) Proposed Use
Application No. 3975 originated as an appeal for (claimed)
maraculture uses to include delivery and storing of seafood,
packaging , freezing and/or preparation of raw or cooked
seafood (processing) for shipping and/or sales for off-premises
consumption.
The matter has evolved that the applicant now seeks a ruling
~,~mthe Board that aquacultural use falL;within the purview
of agricultural use! and approval of a wholesale shellfish
distribution business.
The arguments against this application are so obvious as
to scarcely require repetition.
The Zoning Code clarly differentiates between aquacultural
and agricultural use and provides seperate districts for
the condut of each.
The present use,
are clearly fish
is made for this
and the use proposed by the owner's testimony,
processing as defined in the Code. Provision
use in the Code in a different district.
The A-C district permits only the sale of products produced
on the premises; clearly not the case in the subject instance.
Uses emitting noxious odors are prohibited in all districts
of the town.
The Code permits wholesale and warehousing uses in LB districts,
subject to site plan approval. These uses are also permitted
in General Business districts. M II districts provide for
wholesale and retail sale of finfish and shellfish as
a special exception.
The Code's intent is clear in that all these uses were anticipated
and provide(! for in~ecific districts in the regulations.The
language used in the Code is clear, plain and obvious.
8)
Relationship to Potato Farming
In a tenuou~and~ in my opinion far-fetched and desperate,
effort to relate fish processing to potato farming, testimony
was introduced regardincpotato farming.
The clear conclusion is that potatoes are a form of ~plant
life and their production is agricultural in nature and shellfis
are a formof aquatic life. While the cultivatiun of shellfish
and their harvesting may well be considered aquaculture,
theirprocessing remote from their place of origin is not.
(7)
The potato farmers product remains whole and physically unchanged
when shipped to market. The nature of a fish processing operation
is that the product is phsically changed from its natural state~
is iced or frozen, frequently subjected to some form of processing
involving heat. In addition a coniderable amount of by-products
and waste are created involving problems of disposing of
organic matter.
9} Enforcement
Any process which emits noxious odo~rs is prohibited in all
distric~ts in the Town of Southold.
Protests about he subject operation have been filed with
the town over a period of at least four years. Affidavits
have been submitted and additional~ complaints filed with
the police department
Town officials have failed to investigate and act on these
complaints.
It is now proposed to conduct a test for odors on a prearranged
basis, the emision of odors would then be subject to the
owner's control. Why have not t~e appropriate enforcement
agencies responded to neighbors complaints on a timely basis?
The result of a scheduled test is foreordained.
10) Conclusion
Statutes, i.e. Zoning Codes, are to be strictly construed
by confining their operations to matters affirmatively, definitely,
irresistably or specifically pointed out by their terms.
The Southold Zoning Code makes provisions for the uses sought
by the applicant, but in other than A C districts.The Code
is sufficiently clear as to leave n~ ~0ubt as to its, and
its framers, intent.
The Southold Zoning Code makes a clear differentiation between
aquaculture and agriculture by makink specific provision
for their use in different districts.
By Code definition, the proposed use is clearly fish processing.
Were the bizarre conclusion reached that shellfish are animals,
the clear provisions of the A-C district are for domestic
animals, and then on a minimum ten acre plot.
I have yet to encounter a domesticated shellfish.
False statements have been made throughout as
on the property and the C.O.'s issued due not
either the present or proposed uses.
to use of improvements
provide for
(8)
The Board of A~ssors has neglected its to inspect
the property. After ten years/property is still assessed
as a one family dwelling.
For the Board to have protrac~d these hearings
in face of the information a~ailable to it and
its attention, constitutes an unsemly charade.
to this
brought
extent
to
In anticipation of
application, I
o
a prompt and complete rejection
remain,
F. M. Flynn
of this
WILLIAM C. GOGGINS
McNULTY - SPIESS
ATTORNE:¥S &COUNSELORS AT LAW
51~- 727-8200
June 26, 19c~
EDWARD D. BURKE
OFCOUNSEL
Zoning Board of Appeals
Town of Southold
53095 Main Road
Southold, New York 11971
Re: Application of Arthur G. Carlson; No. 3975
Gentlemen:
It was the Applicant's understanding that the hearing was dosed for all
purposes except adjourned specifically and solely for the purpose of providing
Andre Moraiilon another opportunity to appear before the board and to pemdt
any rebuttal testimony. Accordingly, I ask that the letter of F.M. Flynn dated
June 20, 1990 which was submitted to the Zoning Board of Appeals on June 23,
1992 not be made part of the record.
If the hearing was not closed on June 4, 1992, I respectfully request an
opportunity to respond to the aforementioned letter of Mr. Flynn.
Please advise.
Very tnfly yours,
WCG/cam
To :
BOARD OF APPEALS
Town of Southold
Southold, NY 11971
Andr~ MORAILLON
375 Akerly Pond Lane
Southold, NY 11971
Gentlemen :
New York, October 19, 1990
I have just learned that the meeting originally scheduled for
Wednesday October 17, to discuss a petition for a variance by
Arthur J. Carlson has been moved to Thursday November 1st.
Both Mr. Ted Klos of Akerly Pond Lane and myself were going to
attend the original meeting, to oppose Mr. Carlson,s petition,
however, neither of us will be able to attend the November 1
meeting.
Mr. Klos will be in convalescence from an operation in the hospital
and I will be out of town on a business trip.
The purpose of this letter is to ask if it will be possible to move
this meeting to another date.
Thanking you in advance.
Respect fullM yours,
Andr~ Moraillon
PS.: Please send all correspondance to this address
Andr~ Moraillon
225 Central Park West
New York, NY 10024
BOARD OF APPEALS, TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
In the Matter o~ the Petition of :
to the Board of Appeals of the Town of Southold
TO:
i~ (C: ~ H \V/ I~ IR\I
OCT 2 4 i990 I i¢
NOTICE
TO
ADJACENT
PROPERTY OWNER
YOU ARE HEREBY GIVEN NOTICE:
'- Th~!~ntention of the undersigned to petition t~e Board of Appea s of the Town of Southold
to request a~ariance)_~pec,al Except,on)(Special Permit) (Other) [circle choicel
2. That the property which is tt'ffsubi.~ct of, the Petition is located adjacent to your property and is des-
cribed as follows:
/
3. That .{,~e property ~k, ich is the subiet~ of such Petit[an is IocatedJn the f~ollowin~,,z0ning district:
4 Thai h'~ s~.lch Petition, the undersigned will request tile following relief:
U v / " ',.,,~' ' ~v-' '¢- -"':~' "6,~''-
$. That the provisions of the Southold Town Zoning Code applicable to the relief sought by /he Under-
signed are Article ~ Section /_/9~/5 -- ~ ~
[ ] Section 280-^, New York low. Law for approval of access over ri§ht(s)-of-way.*
6. That within five days from the date hereof, a written Petition requesting the relief specified above will
be filed in the Southold Town Clerk's Office at Main Road. Southold, New York and you may then and there
examine the same during regular office hours. (5].6) 76'5-3.809.
7. That befure the relief sought may be granted, a public hearing must be held on the matter by the
Board of Appeals; that a notice of such hearing must be published at least five days prior to the date of such
hearing in the Suffolk Times and in the Long Island Traveler-Mattituck Watchman, newspapers published in the
Town of Southold and designated for the publication of such notices; that you or your representative have the
right to appear and be heard at such hearing.
Dated: ¢-~'---~" ~q, "'~' ~
[Copy of sketch
purposes.]
or plan
showing proposal to be
attached
for convenience
' FORM NO. 4
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
BUILDING DEPARTMENT
Town Clerk's Office
Southold, N.Y.
Certificate Of Occupancy
Date
THIS CERTIFIES that the building ..................... , ......... , ..............
Sou o,:L.¢
Loardm, ~' ~,~,J,b ~/o: .... Street
County Tax Map No. 1000 Section 069. .... Block O~ .Lot
.................. Filed Map No ......... Lot 1~o...
Subdivision ............. Requiremen%s for a one family dwelling
conforms substantially to the ~ - ~- :- ' ' :;
....A.p?$.~..2.~ ......... 1~.~.. pursuant to which~ ............
dated ...0.qt..o.b.e.r..2.~ .............. 197.9... wu ~ued, and conforms to a~ o~
of the appBcable provLsions of the law. The occupancy for wl~ch th~ certificate is L~ued
................... .0~..F.ea~y..I~e~.~ng .................................
The certificate is ~ued to .... ~.~.~,J,~l. ~., ~el~. ~ .W:~, ............. ~,
.... (ownet~~l~
of the aforesaid building.
UNDERWRITERS CERTIFICATE NO .............
FORM NO. 4
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
BUILDING DEPARTMENT
Office of the Building !n~poo~or
Town Hall
Southold, N.Y,
Certificate Of Occupancy
No .................. Date ............... ,
the building addition
THIS CERTIFIES that ................................................
1675 Lower Rd. $outhold '~' "'"' '
Location ...... of Property .~'__--_._-_- ~__--. _ _-_ , .. ·; ............ _ _.
~...';;;,
County Tax Map No. lO00 Section · ~ ~ .Block Lot ..... ~,,. ,,,..~.
Subdivision ............................... Fi~ed Mai3 No ......... Lot No ...., .........
conforms substantially to the Application for Building Permit heretofore filed in th/s o[ft~ dat~
July
29
8.5. pursuant to which Buildin~ Permit No;
1/~204Z
..................... ,19 ........
dated .... August 16. 19
of the applicable provialon~ of th, law. The occupa~y for which ~1~ cer~ificat~
Addition to garage & storage building.
..... . .................................................. ,,.. .........
ARTHUR CARLSON
T~e cemficate a ~,,ued to...... .............. ' /o'~',~t44~ ........... '""""'·
of the aforesaid buildh~g.
N/A
guffoU[ County Depa~lment of Health Approval ...............................
N/A
UNDERWRITERS CERTIFICATE NO ......................................
Buildin$ Inspector' -. ~
Rev. 1/~1
FORM NO, 4
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
BUILDING DEPARTMENT
Office of the Building Inspector
Town Hall
Southold, N.Y.
Certificate Of Occupancy
No. Z.l.OgB6 ..... ' ... Date ....... ~la¥..1.2...: .............
THIS CERTIFIES that tlie building. ,-..
Location of Property .. 15 .15.
House No. Street
County Tax Map No. 1000 Section ...06
Subdivision ....~f .......................... Filed Map No. ~. ...... Lo/No... X. .........
conforms substantially to the Application for Building. Permit lieretofore £fle~t in this office dated
·. Fia.b.~.~ a tlr.. 2 ~ ...... ,19 ~.2 pursuant to whicli Building Permit No... 1 ] 5.?./i. ~ .......... ,
dated .... F.e, brua~.y. 26 ........... 19 8~,, was issued, and conforms to all of the requir~4lle, ntlt
of tile applicable provisions of the law. The occupancy for which this certificate is issued is .... ~.,,, ~,
The certificate is issued to .....Ar.t, liur..G,. ¢.a~.l,a pA .................................
[owner, Ja-c~a ar..~aae~l
of the aforesaid building. ~-
Suffolk County Department of Health Approval ........ .nZI' ..............................
UNDERWRITERS CERTIFICATE NO I:1 .5.5~92.8. .
Building Inspector
Re~. 1181
..JOHN R. HCNULTY
JAHE$
McNULTY- SPIE$S
November 5, 1991
NOV - 6 1991
Mr. Gearld P. Goehringer
Zoning Board of Appeals
Town of Southold
Town Hall
53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
HAND DELIVERED
Re: Application No. 3975 Application for an interpretation made by
Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. Goehringer:
In response to your letter dated October 22, 1991, enclosed please find the
info,,iiation requested:
1. A new appeal form;
2. A parking plan of the property site; and
3. An affidavit of activities conducted at the site.
If you have any questions or require additional infoimation, please do not
hesitate to contact the undersigned.
Very truly yours,
WCG/cam
Enclosure
AFFIDAVIT
NOV 6 1991
STATE OF NEW YORK )
)SS:
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK )
Arthur Carlson being duly sworn deposes and says:
I operate a wholesale shellfish distribution business. Local
Southold Town Bay-man farm the local waters to obtain a variety of shellfish
including conch, scallops, lobsters and mussels. However, due to the brown
tide conditions of late in the Peconlc Bay and other local bays, we have been
processing conch and lobster exclusively.
Simply put my business is transacted as follows:
I pay local baymen for the shellfish that they farm from the local
waters. I clean and package the shellfish and then distribute same to retail
operations outside of the Town of Southold. What I like best about the
business is the fact that non-Southold Town residents provide income for me, my
son and local baymen all of whom are Southold Town Residents.
We do no retail business at the premises. We do not earn a profit
at the expense of the residents of the Town of Southold.
As far as traffic is concerned, traffic that exists at the site is
in the fount of {1) baymen arriving in their pickup trucks to sell me their days
catch; and (2) my delivery truck departing from the premises. During the off
season (late fall, winter and early spring) there is no vehicular movement on
the premises, except that my son and I each own a private vehicle. A copy of
the survey of the property is enclosed.
In response to the Board's inquiry of the activities that relate to
storage areas, inside food processing areas and loading areas, we have a large
barn and garage on the premises. Inside the barn we have a large cooler
together with several sinks and steamers. In the garage, we have a scallop
processing area. The processing operation in both the barn and the garage are
licensed and constantly inspected by the Department of Environmental
Conservation and the Department of Agriculture and Markets.
Any additional information regarding the transaction of my
business, I will gladfully provide.
Sworn to before me this
~(W~day of November, 1991.
N~;FAt~Y
No. 4~
ARTHUR CARLSON
APPLICATION OF
ARTHUR G. CARLSON
BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
AFFIDAVIT
McNULTY - SPIESS
6,33 East Main Street
P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, N.Y. 11901
(516) 727-8200
Service of the within
is hereby admitted.
Dated:
Attorney(s) for
NOV ~,8 I~1
£o00 - o & o~.'- .5'~ .' £~ . ,~
r
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. ¥illa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
Appeal No. 3975
County Tax Map No.
Location of Project:
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SEQRA UNLISTED ACTION DECLARATION
Project Name: Arthur Carlson
1000- 69-5-]3.2
]575 Lower Rd., S0uth0]d, NY
ScoTr L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
Dec. 16, 1991
Relief Requested/Jurisdiction Before This Board in this Project:
To show amendment for interpretation only, as of lO/ll/91
This Notice is issued pursuant to Part 617 of the implementing
regulations pertaining to Article 8 of the N.Y.S. Environmental Quality
Review Act of the Environmental Conservation Law and Local Law g44-4 of
the Town of Southold.
An Environmental Assessment (Short) Form has been submitted with the
subject application indicating that no significant adverse environmental
effects are likely to occur should the project be implemented as planned,
and:
{ } this Board wishes to assume Lead Agency status and urges
coordinated written comments by your agency to be submitted with the next
20 days.
{ X } this Board has taken jurisdiction as Lead Agency, has deemed
this Board of Appeals application to be an Unlisted SEQRAAction, and has
declared a Negative Declaration for the following reasons:
a. An Environmental Assessment has been submitted and evaluated, and/or
b. An inspection of the property has been made, or
c. Sufficient information has been furnished in the record to evaluate any
possible adverse affect of this project as filed, and/or
d. This application does not directly relate to new construction or
on-site improvements.
{ } this Board refers lead agency status to your agency since the
Board of Appeals does not feel its scope of jurisdiction is as broad as
the Planning Board concerning site changes and elements under the site
plan reviews. The area of jurisdiction by the Board of Appeals is not
directly related to site improvements or new buildings. (However, if you
do not wish to assume lead agency status within 15 days of this letter, we
will assume you have waived same, and we will be required to proceed as
Lead Agency.)
For further information, please contact the Office of the ~Board
Appeals, Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, NY 11971 at (516) 765-1809.
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McNULTY - SPIESS
November 7, 1991
Mr. Gerald P. Geohringer, Chahman
Zoning Board of Appeals
Town of Southold
53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
HAND DELIVERED
Re:
Application No 3975; ApplicaUon for an interpretation made by
Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. Geohringer:
Enclosed please find a document entitled "shellfish proccesing operation" and a
document entitled "additional site information" together with a reference map.
Said documents contain information in connection with the above referenced
application.
Please address any further inquires to the undersigned.
Very truly yours,
WILLIAM C. GOGGINS
WCG/cam
Enclosures
cc: Mr. Arthur Carlson
SHELLFISH PROCESSING OPERATION
A. SCALLOPS
1. Scallops are opened;
2. Packaged in one gallon sacks;
3. Stored in cooler; and then
4. Scallops are shipped for delivery.
B. CONCHS
1. Conchs are stored in cooler;
2. Steamed;
3. Shucked;
4. Washed;
5. Packed;
6. Frozen; and then
7. Conchs are shipped for delivery.
C. LOBSTERS
1. Lobsters are weighed;
2. Sorted;
3. Stored in cooler; and then
4. Lobsters are shipped for delivery.
ADDITIONAL SITE INFORMATION
There are three buildings on the premises, a two story private
residence, a barn and a garage. The two story house is the private residence
of Arthur Carlson and one of his sons. The house is approximately 2000
square feet in area and is serviced by a grease trap and cesspool. Attached
hereto is a map indicating the location of said cesspool and other references
that will be made herein. Please note, the cesspool that services the house is
located between the house and the property of I/los.
The barn is approximately 900 square feet in area and it is serviced by
two cesspools. Inside the barn there is a freezer, cooler, a sink and a
shucking bench. The barn is used for the processing of conchs and lobsters.
When no activity exists relative to said processing, the barn is used to park
the delivery truck which is the sole vehicle of the family business.
The garage is used primarily to park the private vehicle of Arthur
Carlson. During scallop season the garage is used as a scallop shop. The
perimeter of the inside of the garage is a series of benches and a sink.
Attached to the garage is an area used for equipment and storage; an area used
as a tool room, and an area where a cooler is located. The garage and its
adjoining areas is approximately 1200 square feet.
The family business employs Arthur Carlson. His son, Claude Carlson,
and grandson, Dwayne Carlson are the only other employees. Dwayne is a part
time employee and a part time student. Any other workers on the premises are
hired as subcontractors.
The business has always been and will continue to be family owned and
operated.
OF SOUTHOLD, NEW
APPEAr. FROM DECISION OF BUILDING INSP[CTOR
APPFJkL NO.
DATE Q£.to.be~:.. 2K,..1991
TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, TOWN OF SOUTHOLD, N. Y.
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Name of Appellant Street and Number
Southold New York
......................................................................................................................... HEREBY APPEAL TO
Municipality State
THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FROM THE DECISION OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR ON
APPLICATION FOR PERMIT NO ..................................... DATED October 11, 1991
WHEREBY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DENIED TO
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PERMIT TO USE
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1. LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY ]k~.Z~. Leben R~.~¢~, $.Qu~ho.l.~.,...N..e.~...Y.~r.~ ..................
Street /Hamle~ / Use District on Zoning Map
District 1000 Section 69 Block 5 Lot 13.2Current Owner Arthur Carlson
Mop No. Lot No.
~::' Prior Owner Jud__it__h Terry
2. PROVISION (S) OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE APPEALED (Indicate the Article Section, Sub-
section and Paragraph of the Zoning Ordinance by number. Do not quote the Ordinance)
Article III Section 100-31- A (2)
3 TYPE OF APPEAL Appeal is made herewith ior (please check appropriate box)
( ) A VARIANCE to the Zoning Ordinance or Zoning Map
( ) A VARIANCE due to lack of access (State of New York Town Law Chop. 62 Cons. Laws
Art 16 Sec. 280A Subsection 3
(X) [nterpretation of above zoning ordinance
4. PREVIOUS APPEAL A previous appeal (has) (has not) been made with respect to this decision
of the Building Inspector or with respect to this property.
Such appeal was ( ) request for o special perrnlt
( ) request for a variance
an amendment tq ..3.9.7..5 ....................... Dated ....Augu~i.t..2[. 19,9.0. ...................... ..........
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REASON FOR APPEAL
( ) A Variance to Section 280A Subsectian 3
( ) A Variance to the Zoning Ordinance
(~<) Amended Application to appeal #3975 for an interpretation
(Continue on other side)
FOR
! STRICT APPLIC/\TION OF THE ORDINANCE ~auid produce practical dilficuit,es ar unneces-
scrv HARDSHIP because strict enforcement o~ the Southold Town Code would effectively
put us out of business and indirectly adversely affect many local Southold Town
Fisherman. The Southold Town Code does not adequitly protect the fisherman of our
Town. Accordingly, we ask that the code treat residents engaged in the aquacultural
busin'ess and the agricultural business equally.
We are engaged in the business of packaging and distribution of locally produced
aquatic products; just as farmers are engaged in the business of packaging and
distribution of vegetables, and as wineries are engaged in the business of pack-
againg and distribution of wine.
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COUNTY OF SUFFOLK ) AUTHUR CARLSON
Sworn to this ............... ~ ........................ : day of....0.c.t.abe~. .......... ' ............................. 19 91
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APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
NOTICE OF HEARINGS
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, pursuant to Section 267 of the Town
Law and the Code of the Town of Southold, the following matters
will be held for public hearings before the SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
OF APPEALS at the $outhold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road, Southold,
New York 11971, on WEDNESDAY,M3%RCH 25, 1992 com~aencing at the
times specified below:
(1) 7:32 p.m. Appl. No. 4090 - MRs. AND MRS. H. LLOYD KANEV.
Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article XXIII, Section
100-239.4 for permission to construct addition to existing
dwelling for increased livable floor area, all of which is to be
situated at less than 100 feet from the top of the bluff along
the L.I. Sound. Location of Property: 355 Rosenburgh Road
(Private Road ~3), East Marion, NY; County Tax Map Parcel ID
1000021-01-27.1 (inclusive of Lot #s 11, 13.3, 27, 29, & 30).
(2) 7:40. p.m. App!. No. 4086 - ANTHONY AND HELEN COUTSOUROS.
This is an application requesting a determination confirming or
Southold Town Board of Appeals
recognizing this nonconforming vacant lot as a substandard lot,
under Article III, Section 100-32A, and Article XXIV, Section
100-244 of the Zoning Ordinance. Any future application for a
single-family dwelling is, of course, subject to receiving
building permits, septic and well approvals, etc. as required by
other agencies. The subject lot is located in the R-40
Residential Zone District, and is a described parcel of land
acquired through deed conveyance on 2/30/60 to the present
owner. Location of Property: 1125 (Westerly Side of) Tucker
Lane, Southold, NY; County Tax Map Parcel ID No.
1000-59-10-12. This parcel contains a total lot area of 20,000
sq. ft. and lot width of 100.0 feet.
(3 & 4) 7:45 p.m. Applications by WILLIAM C. GOODALE (Owner)
and RICHARD GOODALE (Tenant) concerning premises known as 7655
Main'Road, Laurel (near Mattituck), NY, County Tax Map Parcel
No. 1000-122-06-30.1 (previously 30), under:
(a)
Article XXIV, Section 100-102, Bulk Area Schedule, for
permission to locate a third principal use on this 36,155
ft. parcel. Third principal use is for the establishment
car sales and for the establishment of an accessory use
incidental to the new car sales establishment for the sale
and/or lease of used vehicles. Also, as an alternative, a
Appl. No. 4092 for a Variance to the Zoning Ordinance,
sq.
of new
Southold Town Board of Appeals
variance is necessary to substitute the proposed vehicle
sales/lease uses for one of the existing residential uses.
The subject premises is located in the "B" General Business Zone
District and a Pre-Certificate of Occupancy indicates that the
premises has been improved and occupied with two principal
buildings, each with one single-family dwelling use.
(b) Appl. No. 4093 - WILLIAM C. GOODALE (Owner) for a
Special Exception under Article X, Section 100-101B(12) for a
permit authorizing: (a) a new car sales estblishment, (b) an
establishment of an accessory use incidental to the proposed new
car sales establishment for the sale and/or lease of used
vehicles, (c) outside display of vehicles, (d) accessory
office use incidental to the new principal use as a new car
sales establishment.
(5) 8:00 p.m. Appl. No. 4070 - DALCHET CORP., WILLIAM AND
LORRAINE ORLOWSKI. Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article
III, Section 100-32, Bulk Schedule, for approval of: (a)
proposed Lot No. 3 containing less than 80,000 sq. ft. in this
R-80 zone district {the remaining four lots will meet the 80,000
sq. ft. size requirement}, and/or: (b) Article XVIII, Section
100-181C(2) for approval of the total area of 9.04 acres for a
density of five proposed lots in this mixed R-80 and R-40 Zone
District. Location of Property: Westerly side of Harbor Lane,
-5-
Southold Town Board of Appeals
Cutchogue, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-097-6-17 and
1000-103-1-20.5 and 20.6, containing a total area of 9.04 acres.
(6) 8:20 p.m. Appl. No. 3975 - ARS~qlPR G. CARLSON. This is an
appeal for an interpretation, resulting from the October 11,
1991 Notice of Disapproval from the Building Inspector, as
amended, under Article III, Section 100-31A(2) for approval of a
wholesale shellfish distribution business and declaring that
aquacultural use falls within the purview of agricultural use.
The subject parcel is located in the Agricultural-Conservation
(A-C) Zone District and contains a total area of 40,000 sq.
ft. Location of Property: 1575 Lower Road, Southold, NY;
County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-69-04-23; also known as Lot ~3 of
the Minor Subdivision of Judith T. Terry approved by the
Southold Town Planning Board lO/1/7g.
The Board of Appeals will at said time and place hear any
and all persons or representatives desiring to be heard in the
above matters. Written comments may also be submitted prior to
the conclusion of the subject hearing. Each hearing will not
start before the times designated above. For more information,
please call 765-1809 or visit our office.
Dated: March 5, 1992. BY ORDER OF THE SOUTHOLD
TOWN BOARD OF APPEALS
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
By Linda Kowalski
Copies have been forwarded to the following on or about 3/10/92:
L.I. Traveler-Watchman, Inc. (fax transmission)
Times-Review (fax transmission)
Southold Town Board of A~peals
Individual Files and Board Members
Town Clerk Bulletin Board
Mr. Robert T. Bayley, A.I.A. (Re: Kanev)
150 Lakeview Terrace, Box 595, East Marion, NY 11939
Demetrios R. Halikias, Esq. (Re: Coutsouros)
Peachtree Executive Park, P.O. Box 209, Riverhead 11901
Richard F. Lark, Esq. (Re: Dalchet Corp. & Orlowski)
P.O. Box 973, Cutchogue, NY 11935
William C. Goggins, Esq. (Re: Carlson)
McNulty - Spiess, 633 East Main St., Box 757, Riverhead
Mr. Arthur G. Carlson, P.O. Box 673,
Mr. Andre Moraillon (Re: Carlson)
225 Central Park West, Apt. 1107, NY,
Mr. Frank Flynn, P.O. Box 144, Southold,
Mr. and Mrs.
Southold, NY 11971
NY 10024
NY 11971
Theodore Klos, 475 Akerly Pond Lane, Southold 11971
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Enclosed herewith as confirmation of the time, date and
place of the public hearing concerning your recent application is
a copy of the Legal Notice, as published in the Long Island
Traveler-Watchman, Inc. and Suffolk Times, Inc.
Please have someone appear in your behalf at the time
specified in the event there are questions brought up during the
same and in order to prevent a delay in the processing of your
application. Your public hearing will not start before the time
allotted in the attached Legal Notice. Additional time will, of
course, be available. A drafted or final written copy of your
presentation, if lengthy, is always appreciated.
Please feel free to call our office prior to the hearing
date if you have any questions or wish to update your file.
Yours very truly,
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
By Linda Kowalski
Enclosure
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr. BOARD OF APPEALS
Robert A. Villa
Telephone(516) 765-1809 TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SE~RA UNLISTED ACTION DECLARATION
Appeal No. 3975 Project Name: Arthur Carlson
county Tax Map No. 1000- 69-5-]3.2
Location of Project: ]575 Lower Rd., S0uth0]d, NY
SCOTF L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
; Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
Dec. 16, 1991
Relief Requested/Jurisdiction Before This Board in this Project:
TO show amendment for interpretation on]y, as of 10/]]/9]
This Notice is issued pursuant to Part 617 of the implementing
regulations pertaining to Article 8 of the N.Y.S. Environmental Quality
Review Act of the Environmental Conservation Law and Local Law ~44-4 of
the Town of Southold.
An Environmental Assessment (Short) Form has been submitted with the
subject application indicating that no significant adverse environmental
effects are ~ike]y to occur should the project be implemented as planned,
and:
{ } this Board wishes to assume Lead Agency status and urges
coordinated written cormnents by your agency to be submitted with the next
20 days.
{ X } this Board has taken jurisdiction as Lead Agency, has deemed
this Board of Appeals application to be an Unlisted SEQRA Action, and has
declared a Negative Declaration for the following reasons:
a. An Environmental Assessment has been submitted and evaluated, and/or
b. An inspection of the property has been made, or
c. Sufficient information has been furnished in the record to evaluate any
possible adverse affect of this project as filed, and/or
d. This application does not directly relate to new construction or
on-site improvements.
{ ) this Board refers lead agency status to your agency since the
Board of Appeals does not feel its scope of jurisdiction is as broad as
the Planning Board concerning site changes and elements under the site
plan reviews. The area of jurisdiction by the Board of Appeals is not
directly related to'site improvements or new buildings. (However, if you
do not wish to assume lead agency status within 15 days of this letter, we'
will assume you have waived same, and we will be required to proceed as
Lead Agency.)
For further information, please contact the Office of the .Board
Appeals, Town Hall, Main Road,.Southold, NY 11971 at (516) 765-1809.
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APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
~ctober 22, 1991
William C. Goggins, Esq.
McNulty & Spiess
633 East Main Street
P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, NY 11901
Re: Appl. No. 3975 - Interpretation (Carlson Property)
Dear Mr. Goggins:
We have reviewed the changes to the appeal application (copies)
and have noted for the record that that portion of the amended
application with respect to Special Exception consideration
under the wineries section (Section 100-31B-13) should be
deleted from consideration.
Also, noted for the record is the disapproval, as corrected and
modified on October 11, 1991 on the grounds pertaining to the
need for an interpretation under permitted uses in the
agricultural-conservation zone district, Section 100-31A(2).
In our July 22, 1991 letter, three items were requested; the
first two having been furnished, and the last item requesting a
description of activities affected by this appeal and concerning
the subject premises outstanding.
Please furnish the following within the next 15 days in order
that this matter may be calendared for a public hearing.
a) a blank appeal form for completion and submission. {It is
not appropriate to amend the application filed almost a year ago
particularly since the Notice of Disapproval was not corrected
until October 11, 1991. Therefore, a new original form must be
written, signed, notarized, and submitted.t
b) a parking plan is necessary to show the number of spaces
applicable to not only the residential use of the principal
~Pa~e 2 - Appl. No. ~5
To: William C. Gogglns, Esq.
building but also all other uses to be conducted at the site,
including outside storage areas, loading areas, employees or
other workers, retail or wholesaling areas, etc.
c) a list of all activities related to the interpretation
request, as well as retailing, wholesaling off-premises,
trucking and loading on-premises, resident parking and other
vehicle parking, storage areas, inside food processing areas,
loading, and the like. (Please see ZBA request of 7/22/91).
After receipt and review of the above documents, this matter
will be advertised for a public hearing.
Very truly yours~,__~
CHAIRMAN
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTF L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
nctober 22, 1991
William C. Goggins, Esq.
McNulty & Spiess
633 East Main Street
P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, NY 11901
Re: Appl. No. 3975 - Interpretation (Carlson Property)
Dear Mr. Goggins:
We have reviewed the changes to the appeal application (copies)
and have noted for the record that that portion of the amended
application with respect to Special Exception consideration
under the wineries section (Section 100-31B-13) should be
deleted from consideration.
Also, noted for the record is the disapproval, as corrected and
modified on October 11, 1991 on the grounds pertaining to the
need for an interpretation under permitted uses in the
agricultural-conservation zone district, Section 100-31A(2).
In our July 22, 1991 letter, three items were requested; the
first two having been furnished, and the last item requesting a
description of activities affected by this appeal and concerning
the subject premises outstanding.
Please furnish the following within the next 15 days in order
that this matter may be calendared for a public hearing.
a) a blank appeal form for completion and submission. {It is
not appropriate to amend the application filed almost a year ago
particularly since the Notice of Disapproval was not corrected
until October 11, 1991. Therefore, a new original form must be
written, signed, notarized, and submitted.t
b) a parking plan is necessary to show the number of spaces
applicable to not only the residential use of the principal
Page 2 - Appl. No. 3975
To: William C. Goggins, Esq.
building but also all other uses to be conducted at the site,
including outside storage areas, loading areas, employees or
other workers, retail or wholesaling areas, etc.
c) a list of all activities related to the interpretation
request, as well as retailing, wholesaling off-premises,
trucking and loading on-premises, resident parking and other
vehicle parking, storage areas, inside food processing areas,
loading, and the like. (Please see ZBA request of 7/22/91).
After receipt and review of the above documents, this matter
will be advertised for a public hearing.
Very truly yours,
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTt L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
actober 22, 1991
William C. Goggins, Esq.
McNulty & Spiess
633 East Main Street
P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, NY 11901
Re: Appl. No. 3975 - Interpretation (Carlson Property)
Dear Mr. Goggins:
We have reviewed the changes to the appeal application (copies)
and have noted for the record that that portion of the amended
application with respect to Special Exception consideration
under the wineries section (Section 100-31B-13) should be
deleted from consideration.
Also, noted for the record is the disapproval, as corrected and
modified on October 11, 1991 on the grounds pertaining to the
need for an interpretation under permitted uses in the
agricultural-conservation zone district, Section 100-31A(2).
In our July 22, 1991 letter, three items were requested; the
first two having been furnished, and the last item requesting a
description of activities affected by this appeal and concerning
the subject premises outstanding.
Please furnish the following within the next 15 days in order
that this matter may be calendared for a public hearing.
a) a blank appeal form for completion and submission. {It is
not appropriate to amend the application filed almost a year ago
particularly since the Notice of Disapproval was not corrected
until October 11, 1991. Therefore, a new original form must be
written, signed, notarized, and submitted.~
b) a parking plan is necessary to show the n~mber of spaces
applicable to not only the residential use of the principal
Page 2 - Appl. No. 3975
To: William C. Goggins, Esq.
building but also all other uses to be conducted at the site,
including outside storage areas, loading areas, employees or
other workers, retail or wholesaling areas, etc.
c) a list of all activities related to the interpretation
request, as well as retailing, wholesaling off-premises,
trucking and loading on-premises, resident parking and other
vehicle parking, storage areas, inside food processing areas,
loading, and the like. (Please see ZBA request of 7/22/91).
After receipt and review of the above documents, this matter
will be advertised for a public hearing.
Very truly yours,
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTF L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
~ctober 22, 1991
William C. Goggins, Esq.
McNulty & Spiess
633 East Main Street
P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, NY 11901
Re: Appl. No. 3975 - Interpretation (Carlson Property)
Dear Mr. Goggins:
We have reviewed the changes to the appeal application (copies)
and have noted for the record that that portion of the amended
application with respect to Special Exception consideration
under the wineries section (Section 100-31B-13) should be
deleted from consideration.
Also, noted for the record is the disapproval, as corrected and
modified on October 11, 1991 on the grounds pertaining to the
need for an interpretation under permitted uses in the
agricultural-conservation zone district, Section 100-31A(2).
In our July 22, 1991 letter, three items were requested; the
first two having been furnished, and the last item requesting a
description of activities affected by this appeal and concerning
the subject premises outstanding.
Please furnish the following within the next 15 days in order
that this matter may be calendared for a public hearing.
a) a blank appeal form for completion and submission. {It is
not appropriate to amend the.application filed almost a year ago
particularly since the Notice of Disapproval was not corrected
until October 11, 1991. Therefore, a new original form must be
written, signed, notarized, and submitted.t
b) a parking plan is necessary to show the number of spaces
applicable to not only the residential use of the principal
Page 2 - Appl. No. 3975
To: William C. Goggins, Esq.
building but also all other uses to be conducted at the site,
including outside storage areas, loading areas, employees or
other workers, retail or wholesaling areas, etc.
c) a list of all activities related to the interpretation
request, as well as retailing, wholesaling off-premises,
trucking and loading on-premises, resident parking and other
vehicle parking, storage areas, inside food processing areas,
loading, and the like. (Please see ZBA request of 7/22/91).
After receipt and review of the above documents, this matter
will be advertised for a public hearing.
Very truly yours,
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
,.JOHN R. IflcNULTY
~AH£S SP1£$$
WILLIAM C. GOGGIN$
McNULTY - SPIESS
October 15, 1991
Southold Town Board of Appeals
Southold Town Hall
53095 MaLn Read
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Re: Application of Arthur G. Carlson
Gentlemen:
Please be informed that an amended Notice of Disapproval was submitted to your
office. Consequently, the above referenced application is now properly before
the Board of Appeals and can now be scheduled for a hearing date.
If you have any questions or require additional information, please do not
hesitate to contact the undersigned.
Very truly yours,
WILLIAM C. ~INS
WCG/cam
cc: Arthur G. Carlson
LI~SSARD
BUILDING INSPECTOR
~516~7654802
FAX (516) 7654823
OFFICE OF BUILDING INSPECTOR
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
August 20, 1990
Mr. Arthur G. Carlson
1675 Lower Road
Southold, New York 11971
Re:
Illegal Business @
1675 Lower Road, Southold, N.Y.
Suffolk Co. Tax Map #1000-69-05-13.2
Dear Mr. Carlson:
The Supervisor's office has received a complaint regarding
the processing of shellfish that is being done on the above
referenced property.
According to Article III Chap. 100-31 a commercial use is
not allowed in an A-C District, the district your property is
zoned.
In order to avoid legal action you must contact the Southold
Town Building Department immediately and cease commercial
operations.
Thank you for your cooperation in resolving this matter.
Very truly yours,
SOUTHOLD TOWN BUILDING DEPT.
Vincent R. Wieczorek
Ordinance Inspector
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':AR ~A. ARNOFF
Town Attorney
MATTHEW G. KIERNAN
Assistant Town Attorney
OFFICE OF THE TOWN ATTORNEY
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall. 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold. New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
TO:
FROM:
DATE:
INTER-OFFICE MEMORANDUM
Vi ctor G . Lessar d . Pri nci pa I B u i l di ng l n specto~'~,
September 27. 1991
RE:
Application of Arthur Carlson
Attached hereto please find a letter from Bill Goggins the attorney
representing Arthur Carlson, dated September 26, 1991. In the event that Mr.
Goggins requests a new or corrected Notice of Disapproval from you, kindly
contact me so that we have an opportunity to review same together.
cc: Gerard P. Goehringer. Chairman. Zoning Board of Appeals
WILLIANI C. GOGGINS
McNULTY - SPIE~3S
ATTORNEYS ~ COUNSELORS AT LAW
September 26, 1991
Mr. Gerald P. Goehringer
ChaiL~man Board of Appeals
Town Hall
53095 Main Road
P,O. Box 1179
Southold, NewYork 11971
Re:
Application of Arthur Carlson
Dear Mr. Goehringer:
In response to your letter dated September 16, 1991, in order to remove any
jurisdictional defect in the above referenced matter, the "Notice of
Disapproval" dated August 23, 1990 should be amended.
Sometime in February, 1990, Arthur Carlson approached the Town to clear any
apparent or alleged violations to his property. The Town instructed Mr.
Carlson to submit a building permit and in response the Town would deny same
allowing Mr. Carlson to be heard before the Zoning Board of Appeals.
Accordingly, the permit was submitted and denied by virtue of a "Notice of
Disapproval" dated August 23, 1990 citing Article III, Section 100-30 of the
Southold Town Code, and the Zoning Board of Appeals heard the matter on
November 1, 1990.
Sometime in January, 1991, Mr. Carlson hired my firm to represent him. I moved
to amend the application, and requested a new hearing. Because Mr. Carlson is
asking for a "use" interpretation, we submitted an application asking for an
interpretation of the use.
The defect in the application lies in the aforementioned "Notice of
Disapproval" which cites Article III, Section 100-30 which is the "purpose"
section of the code, and consequently has no bearing on a use interpretation.
I believe that someone in the building department simply incorrectly
McNULTY- sPIESS
A~FORNEYS ~ COUNSELORS AT LAW
Mr. Gerald P. Goehringer
September 26, 1991
Page 2
transcribed the wrong section, in that although someone cited Section 100-30
he or she meant to cite Article III, Section 100-3lA. I believe that the
inadvertent mistake can be corrected Nunc Pro Tunc, and I will pursue same.
Please note that I have not been ignoring this application. In response to
your letter dated July 22, 1991 and to a letter signed by Supervisor Scott
Harris addressed to Mr, Ted Klos and Mr. Andre Moraillon dated July 24, 1991, I
met with Assistant Town Attorney Matthew Kiernan to discuss this matter to
explore possible alternatives. Mr. Kiernan and I then met with Mr. Victor
Lessard to discuss the aforementioned "Notice of Disapproval". At the time the
Building Department's file on Arthur Carlson was missing so no action was
taken.
If you would like to discuss this matter, I am willing to meet with you at your
convenience.
WCG/blk
cc: Matthew G. Kiernan, Esq.
Very truly yours, .
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PROJECT I.D. NUMBER
617.21%.
Appendix C
State Environmental Quality Review
SHORT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSblENT FORM
For UNLISTED ACTIONS Only
P~ART I--PROJECT INFORMATION (To be completed by Applicant or Project sponsor)
1. p NT/~PONSOR
i
3, PR~E~ LOCATION:
4. PRECISE LOCATION (Street address and roa~ intersections, p;~,,,;,,i,,i landmarks, etc., or provide m~)
SEQR
5. IS PROPOSED ACTION:
6. DESCRIBE PROJECT BRIEFLY:
r-I Moditlcationlalt eraflon
EXISTING LAND USE RESTRICTIONS?
?. AMOUNT OF LAND AFFECTED:
Initially , . ./ acres Ultimately .
8. WILL PROPOSED A ION COMPLY WITH EXISTING ZONING OR OTHER
[] Yes ~No If NO, describe briefly
9. WHAT ~S PRESENT LAND USE IN VICINITY OF PROJECT? A~g~icu
[] Residential [] Industrial ?,[] Commercial Iture [] Pa,klFomstlOpen space
Describe:
10. DOES ACTION INVOLVE A PERMIT APPROVAL, OR FUNDING. NOW OR ULTIMATELY FROM ANY OTHER GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY (FEDERAl..
11.
[] NO If yes, list agency(s) and permil/aoprovals
O ES ANY ASPECT OF THE ACTION HAVE A CURRENTLY VALID PERMIT OR APPROVAL?
I~Y~s [] No If ye~. list agency name and permitlaDproval '
12. AS A RESULT OF E OPOSED ACTION WILL EXISTING PERMIT/APPROVAL REQUIRE MODIFICAT ON?
I CERTIFY THAT THE INFORMATION PROVIDED ABOVE IS TRUE TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE
Dale:
the action is in the Coastal Area, and you are a state agency, complete the
Coastnl Assessment Form before proceeding with this assessment
OVER
1
(Continued on reverse side)
The N.y.$. Rnviro~mental Quality Review Act requires submission
Of thls form, and an enviro'n~ental review will be made by this board
before any action is taken.
SRORT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMEN? FOR~!
~NSTRUCTIONS:
(a) In--order to answer the questions in this short EAF it is assumed
that the preparer will use currently available information concerning the
project end the likely impacts of the action. It is not expected that
additional studies, research or other investigations will be undertaken.
(b) If any question has been answered Yes the project may be sig-
nificant and completed Environmental Assessment Form is necessary.
(c) If all questions have been answered NO it is likely that the
project is not Significant.
(d) ~nvlronmental Assessmene
1. Will project result in a large physical change
" to the project site or physically alter more
than 10 acres of land?
2. Will there be a major change to any unique or
unusual land form on the site? ~Yes ~No
3. Will project alter or have a large effect on ~N
an existing body of water? ___Yes . o
4. Will project have a potentially large, impact on
groundwater quality? ~Yes ~No
5. Will project significantly effect drainage flow
on adjacent sites?
~Yes
6. Will project affect any threatened or endangered ~N
plant or animal species? ____Yes o
7. Will project result in a major adverse effect on
air quality?
8. Will project have a major effect on visual char-
acter of the community or scenic views or vistas
known to be important to the community? ___Yes ~o
9. Will project adversely impact any site or struct-
ure of historic, pre-historic, or paleontological
importance or any site designated as a critical ~N
environmental area by a local agency? ____Yes o
i0. Will project have a m~jor effect on existing or
future recreational opportunities? ____Yes
11. Will project result in major traffic problems or
cause a major effect to existing transportation ~N
' systems?
12. Will project regularly cause objectionable odors,
noise, glare, vibration, or electrical disturb- ~N
ance as a resul~ of the project's Operation? _.__Yes
13. Will project have any impact on public health
14. Will project affect the existing community by
directly causing a growth in permanent popula-
period or have a major negative effect on the
charact~-~ of the community or neighborhood?
~5. Is there public controversy COncerning the
ZSA ~/75 Date:
/
QUESTIO::NAIRE TO BE CO:.IPLETED AND SUBMITTED
~TI! YOUR APPLICATION FO?J.IS TO TIIE BOARD OF APPEAr.-~
Please complete, sign and return to the Office of the Board of Appeals
with your completed application forms. If "Yes" is answered to any
questions below, please be sure to depict these areas on your SUrvey
(or certified sketch), to scale, and submit other supporting documenta-
tion.
1. Are there any proposals to change or alter land contours? Yes ~
2.a)Are there any areas which contain wetland grasses?
(Attached is a list of the wetland grasses defined by
Town Code, Ch. 97 for your reference.) Yes ~
b)Are there any areas open to a waterway without bulkhead? Yes
3. Are there existing structures at or below ~ ~ No
such as patios, foundations, etc? ~ ~ground level,
4. Are there any existing o,~ proposed fences, concrete
barriers,..decks, etc? ~ D~ ~ ~o~. ~ No
5. If project is proposed for an accessory building or '"
structure, i~ total height at more than 18 feet above
average ground 1-~17 State total: ...... ft. Yes ~
If project is proposed for principal building or
structure, is total height at more than 35 feet above
average ground 1~17 State total: ........... ft.
7. Are there other premises under your ownership abutting
this parcel? If yes, please submit copy of deed.
8. Are there any building permits pending on this parcel
(or abutting land under your ownership, if any)?
State Permit # and Nature:
Xes ~
Do state whether or not applications are pending
concerning these premises before any other department
or agency (State, Town, County, Village, etc.):
Planning Board ~
Town Board
Town Trustees
County Health Department
Village of Greenport
N.Y.S.D.E.C.
Other
10.
11.
Is premises pending a sale or conveyance?
If yes, please submit copy of names or purchasers
and conditions of sale. (from contract)
Is new construction proposed in the area of contours
at 5 feet or less as exists?
12. If new construction is proposed in an area within
75 feet of wetland grasses, or land area at an eleva-
tion of five feet or less above mean sea level, have
you made application to the Town Trustees for an
-'' inspection for possible waiver or permit under the
requirements of Ch. 97 of the Town Code?
13. Please list present use or operations conducted upon the
subject property at this time ~ ~7~c~ ~
and proposed . ~tv~ ~ ~ C ~ ~
Please submit photographs £or the record.
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
I certify that the above statements are true and are being submitted for ..
rel~ the B~z~Appeals in considering my application. .;
Signature '(Propergy Owner) (Authorized Agent)
1/88
WETLANDS [Amended 8-26-76 by L.L. No. :/-197G;
85 by L.I.. No./3-1985]:
A. TIDAL WETI,ANDS:
(1) Ail lands ~enernlly covered or /n~rmit~ntly
ered with, or which bordnr on, tidal w=~, or
lyinK beneath tidal wnte~, which at mean Iow fide
. are covered by tidal waters to a maximum depth of
five (5) feet. includin~ but not limited ~ bank~
bo~. salt marsh, swamps, meadow~, flaL~ or ot~r
low lying lands subject ~ tidal action:
(2) All banks, bo~. meadows, fla~ and tidM
subject ~ such tides and upon which grows or
grow some or any of the folloxvin~ salt hay. bilk
grass, saltwort, sea lavender, tall cord~ra~ high
bush. cattails, groundscl, marshmallow and Iow
march cordgrass; ami/ny
(3)
All land immediately adjacent to a tidal wetland aa
defined in Subsection A/g) and lying w/thin seven-
ty-five (75} feet lamlward of the most landward
edge of such a tidal wetland.
FRESIIWATER WETI,ANDS:
(I) "Freshwater wetlands~ as defined in Articla 24. Ti-
tle 1, § 2.1-0107. Subdivisions l(a) to l(d) inclusive.
of the Environmental Couservatiou Law of the State
of New York: and
(2)
Ail land immediately adjacent to -'t "freshwater wet-
land." as defined in Subsection B(1) sod lying wiUt-
in seventy-five (75) feet landward of the most land-
ward edge of a "freshwater wetland."
9705
Lstricl
~ction
F
JUDITH T. TERRY, residing At ~00 Highwood ~ad ~ ''~
~rtyof~efir~,~d
~RTHUR Go
Sou~old~
CARLSON, residing at 1515
New York 11971,
party of the second par~,
WITNF..~EI~I, that ~he party of the ~rst part,/n consideration of
TEN .($10.00)
hw/~moneyot the United State% and other
by the ~arty of the second pa~, does hereby grant and roiease unto the ~ of ~the second
~uc_~e~__~rs ~nd ~si~ns of the party of the second pan forever,
with the buildings and
ALL that certain plot, piec~ or parcel of land,
~ga~db~hu~ at Southold in the Town of Southold,
and State of New York bounded and described as
~GINNING at a'-monument on the
228.89 feet Southwesterly fro~ the c~rner formed by the
~of the Westerly side gf Lower Eoa~ W~h t~.~ ~ou~he~l~
Pond Road, ., . ,
~RUNNING THENCE along the Westerly side of Lower Road
10 minutes 20 seconds West 205 feet t? a
:corner of lands no~ ~r for~r~y o~;, , ~
~RUNNING THENCE along said last mentioned lands
minutes 30 seconds West 217 feet ~
-formerly of JUDITH T? TERRY; ,~,:-
RUNNING THENCE along said last' mentiOned'l
minutes 40 seconds East 170.92.f~et~
THENCE continuing along said~lands Of Terry:andalong of lands now or formerly of McConne!l~ SOuthT~
RUNNING THENCE along the Southerly~lxno of~il$ nowo~
Klos ann ~oraillon' South 75 degrees 47 minute~A~137.44 fee
erl~ side of.:Low~r Road;ati.,~he;po~ntaOZ~pLao~,"Of;B~
Together with a Right of Way of ingr¢~ .~1d
described premises:
ALL~:that,"certain~plo~,: piece_~'parce~:.'o~~
being at Southold in' the Town of Southold
o~.NeW'York,:'b~Unded.;and
BEGINNING 'at,a'~monUmen~: se~:on':~he' S~Uthe~l~ line of
a~ithe Northwesterlycorher o~.land~e
oorn~'of'.:la~d'of~Judith'Terry; ~% ~:aGuU'u~]'i' L~:3.~J
of McConnell~ South 8 degrees 07
~~"~.~'79%~e~re~13~:'mlnutes West, 1~. 02'
,T~C;~'3~ :~'& ~:,w-,..~ ', .~ ,, ..... '~ · - - .~ '-"
feet to sai~ Somberly line of Ackerly Pon~
S~U~%=ly l~e~ North· 85 ~egrees 35 minutes
roads abutti,,g the above described pre. mi.sea to the center lines thereof,
TO~TI'IF.~ with the appurtenances and nil the estate and right~ of the ~ of
said premises. : ,:
TO I'~.VE ~ ~0 HO~) the premises here~ ~a~ut~d unto the par~y of t~ secon~
succesiors and ~sign,l.o! the party of the second pm't foro~.
AND the party o~ the first part covenants that the pm~'y of the fir. st p~rt
whereby the said preo~es h~v~ l~en,
AND the party of the'first part, in compILnnce With'Section l~.~f
· O f~rst F~,rt wi~ receive thc consideration for th~s ~,~nd W~ hold ~h~
eration as a trust fund io be applied first for, the p~rl~q~ o,l..l~J~/the.cost;of the lint)roy~ altg, r.l~.~ apply
the same first to the payment ot t!le cost Ot
any ~ pm-lX~e.
· IN I'A~S~N~ OF:
per~n~y ~me
Who
to me known to be the indivldt~l desert%ed hi and ~
ewecuted the foregoing instrument, and scknowledg~ that
executed the same.
of
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that the seal ntT~ed
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mine.thereto, I~'; r~'e ,order~
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'descried m ~d ~o ~ ~e forcing inocenti
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CHICAGO TITLE INSURANCI~ CIO~ANY
DAVID C. QUINN, ESQ.
101 KATONAHAVENUE
KATONAH, NEW YORK
Ztp~. 10536
T
JUDITH T. TERRY
TOWN CLERK
OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
Town Hall, 53095 Mai~ Road
P.O. Box 1179
Soathold, New York 1 [971
FAX ($16) 765-1823
SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL PERMIT
COMMERCIAL CONTRACTOR VEHICLES
Effective Date: 5/06/90
Expiration Date: 5105/91
Permit Number: 148
Fee Paid: 25.00
(up to/including one ton)
This Solid Waste Disposal Permit is issued in accordance with Southold
Town Board Resolution dated November 1, 1983, and as may be emended
{May 22, 198u,) from time to time.
Name: CLAUDE CARLSON
Addre~a; .~
Address: ~
City St Zip:
Owner/Principal Officer:
Telephone Number:
P.O. BOX 693
SOUTHOLD NY 11971-0000
SAME
516-765°5367
is authorized to dispose of solid waste from the following truck at the
Southold Town Landfill site, C.R. 48, Cutchogue, New York, in accordance
with the above Resolution. The solid waste shall originate within the Town~*
of Southold, and shall contain no chemicals, hazardous, or toxic wastes.
VEHICLE
Model: PICKUP
No. Rear Axles ,1
License Plate No: LA9321
Make: 1970 CHEVROLET
Color: TAN
Capacity (C.Y.): .75
Date:
{TOWN ,SEAL}
5/09/90
By Authority of:SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
Judith T. Terry, Southold To~n .Clerk
COPY OF THIS PERMIT SHALL BE CARRIED IN EACH TRUCK )
61550
YORK STATE
DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND MARKET~
ALBANY, NEW YORK 12235
COMMISSIONER
EST. NO.
A47805Z
02/14/91 ·
for which
11971
VAL]'DATZON~NO. 55402
RICHARD MCGUXRE
Not oEici~ u~tii va~4tlted: '-
) ~ ., P,~P 07 '~! b3:4=_ LE%.f'=ED 1H~ELE IF; ..... ~ · ~
., ~ --~uuRRECTED;6OP,, t 7/u/So
In~[oduced by Be9isla ~or. ~-1~~.~
RESOLUTIOn4 NO. - 198~ADOPTING LOCAL LAW
NO. ~AR [988, A LOCA5 LAW TO PROTECT
RIGHT TO FISH WITHIN THE cOUNTY OF SUFFOLK
%~EREAS, there ~s duly presented and introduced to this County
Legislature at a regular meeting held on , 1988, a proposed la%
entitled, "A LOCAL LAW TO PROTECT RI~T TO FISt! WITHIN T[{E COUNTY OF SUFFOLK",
sald local law in final form is the same as when presented and introduced; how,
therefore, be it
RESOLVED, that said local law be enacted in form as follows=
LOCAL L~W NO.
YEAR 1988', SUFFOLK COUNTY,. NEW YOPJ<
A LOCAL LAW TO PROTECT RIGHT TO FISt! WITHIN THE COUNTY OF SUFFO~-
BE ~T ENACTED BY THE COUNTY LEGISLATURE OF THE COUNTY OF SUFFOLK
follows:
I~ is the declared policy of the County of Suffolk to conserve, protec
and encourag~ the use of its fishing resources for the production and sale
food and other related products. This Legislature finds that approximately 90
of the fish processing iS performed outside of the County of Suffolk.
Legislature also finds that when fishing activitie~ e~tend into newly develops
areas, such fishing prOcess operations often become the subject of nuisanc
suits. As a result, commercial fish processing operations are sometimes force
to cease operations while ~any others are discouraged from making investments i
i~provements.
This Legislature further finds that whatever nuisance may be caused t
others by such uses and ao~ivities so conducted is more than offset by th
benefit~ from fishing and fish processing to the County's economy and way
life and to society in ge~eral from the economio and social benefits derive
from maintaining a viable fishing industry on Long Island.
Therefore, the purpose of this law is to reduce the lo~s to the County o
its fishing resources by limiting the circumstances under which fishing and
processing may be deemed to be a nuisance.
Section 2. Definitions
1.) 'Fish" shall mean ali varieties of the super-olass Pisoes, in¢lu~l~
all shellfish.
2.) "Food fish'
~hellfish.
shall mean all species of edible fish, including
3.) "~ishing" shall mean the taking, killing, netting, capturing C
withdrawal of fish or food fish f~om the Waters of this County by any means
including every attempt to take and every act of assistance to any other pers~
in taking or attempting to take fiBh.
Notwithstanding ahy other provision of this law, 'fishing and
processing activities conducted with&n the County of SUffolk, if consistent wi'
~o~]nd f~Phing practice~ and established prior to surrounding non-riehl!
activities, shall be deemed to be reasonable and ~hall not constitute a publ.
nuisance unless the activity has a substantially adverse effect on the publ!
health and safety. NO fishing or fish processing operation, resulting fr.
Chan~ed conditions in, adjacent to, or surrounding the [ishin~ or
processzng operation, shall be the subject of a public nuisance action ii su
fishing or fish processing operations has been in existence for one (l) year
more pilot to the changed conditkon and has not been declared to be a nuisan
by a pertinent State or municipal'c(~mission, local health office, local boa:
of health, or court of competent jurisdiction at the ~ime that s~ch
commenced.
? ,, ~n~ro. ~.~s. N~. 1597-88 P,~e 2
Th~ provisions of Section 3 of this law ~hall not defeat the right Of any
individual, ~irm, business, partne~shi~, or corporation t~ recover dama~e for
any injuries or d~mages sustained by ~hem on account of any pollutlon of, or
change in condition of, the N~ers o~ any ~tream or on account o~ any overflow
of land~ of any such individ~a%, firm, business, pa~tnership, or cOrporatiOn
such pollution, change, or overflow i~ the direct result of the
processing a~tivity.
Se~ion 5,_ _Prior A~ctione' ,~r. }~fected
hereof.
This law shall not affect actions commenced prior to the effsctive date
sec$~on .6. s~Qy~a De~er~mi_~natlqn
THis L~qislature, being the State EnVironmental Quality Review ~ct
(SEQRA) lead agency, hereby finds and determines that this !aw constitutes
enactment of a local law which will not affect ~he environment pursuant to
~_ct~on 617.~{b) (3) of th~ New York Code of Rules and RequlatiOnS (NYCRR)
within the meaning of Se trion ~-0%09(2) of ~he N~'~4 YORK ENVIRONMENTAL
CON~ZRVATION ~AWo T~e Suffolk County Council on Environ~ntal Q~ality (CEQ) is
hereby directed to circulate any appropriate SEQRA notices of determination of
non-applioability or non-significance in accordance with this
Section 7... Se verability
If any part of or prgvl~ions of this law, or the application thereof
any per,on Or c~rcu~tance ~hall be adjudged invalid by spy court of competen!
jurisdiction, such judgment shall be confined in its operation to the part of
provision of o~ application directly involved i~ the ~o~troversy in which suc~
judgment shall hav~ been rendered and ~hall not affect or impair the validity
the remainder of this law, or ~he applica~ion thereo~ to other person~
circumstanceS.
Section 8.'--- Eff_e.qt. ive. Date
This law shall ~:a~e e~feet immedi&te~y upon ~lli,l~ in the off$~e of th,
Secretary of ~tate.
DATED:
APPROVED BY:
~%~- E'~'~ive of Suffolk County
Date Of Approval:
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TO~E OF $OUTHOLD ZONINO BOARD OF'-~PEALH
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK : STATE OF HEN YORK ·
?CHH or SO.HOLD
Town Hall
53095 ~n Road
P.O. Box ~79
8outhold, H~ York 11971
November 1, 1990
7:30 P.M.
BEFORE :
OERARD P. C, OKHRINOF. R,
Chair~.
BOARD MKMBRK8:
CHARLES ORIGONIS, JR.
8ERIE DOYEH, JR.
JOSEPH H. SA~ICKI - Absent
JAMES DIHIZIO, JR.
ALSO PRESENT:
LINDA KO~ALSKI, Board Secretary
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decision until later.
MR. GRIGONIS:
THE CHAIRMAN: All
MR. ORIGONIS: Aye.
MR. DOYEN: Aye.
MR. DINIZIO:
THE CHAII~AN:
(Time noted:
THE CHAIPd~N:
Appeal Number 3975,
Second.
in favor?
Aye.
Thank you very much.
8:56 p.m.)
The next appeal is a
in behalf of Arthur G.
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THE CHAIRMAN: I have a copy of what
appears to be a minor subdivision at one
time, in which includes this particular lot,
whic~ is'Lot NUmber 5 of that minor
subdivision, which has a rather large two-
story frame home on the premises at the time
and at least two barns, one of which is on
the westerly line and one on the northerly
line -- property line of the premises. The
accesses for the premises are on Lower Road
and Ackerly Pond Lane, and ! have a copy of
the Suffolk County Tax Map indicating this
Carlson. The legal notice reads as follows:
(Legal notice read off record.)
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and surroundinq properties in the area.
Would you like to be heard, Mr.
Carlson, or are you represented by counsel?
MR. CARLSON: Arthur Carlson, the
applicant. This is a family business. It
has been in existence for over 25 years and
-- both working on the water as baymen and
continued on to where we were buying
products and outbuying from other fishermen
-- local Southold ?own fishermen --
lobstermen, scallopers.
We created a facility that didn't
exist before in town. The lobstermen that
catch for us, there is no other facility in
town that could handle their products. They
hav~ to' 9o out of to~n to sell them, which
would be money going out of town. We take
it out of town and sell it, and bring the
money back into town. The conchs, there was
no market for them until we created a market
for them. They had shops for these. There
are scallop shops, all licensed and
inspected, really by the DEC and the
Department of Agriculture.
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Everything is totally cleaned and
disinfected every working day. There are no
odors. People remark how clean we keep the
place. They wonder how we can do it and we
are -- great financial hardship on myself
and my son's family and many, many baymen if
this was denied. Thank you.
THE CHAIRMAN: Before you leave me or
leave us, we of course have been up and
toured your facility and you were kind
enough to have Mr. Dinizio come up at the
time when you were processing conchs --
actually steaming them at that time. What
is the earliest possible time that someone
may deliver fish to you?
MR. cARLsoN: We are bordered by
Lower Road on the front, with the cemetery
across the street, a farm on the west side,
north side is my son's property, and on the
east side there are three gardens that back
up and touch our fence which is on the
furthest part of my property -- the east
-- a few hundred feet.
THE CHAIRMAN: What would be the
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earliest possible time that someone may
deliver fish to you,
time?
MR. CARLSON:
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and the latest possible
Normally they come
during the afternoon or early evening.
THE CHAIRMAN: What would be the
latest time they come at night, past eight
o'clock?
MR. CARLSON: Six or seven o'clock.
We normally close at six.
THE CHAIRMAN: When you process the
fish, do you physically take those fish to
the market to sell them or does someone pick
those up?
MR. CARLSON: What do you mean?
THE CHAIP~tAN: Either the lobsters,
conchs or whatever.
MR. CARLSON: We put them in our
truck and deliver them out of town.
THE CHAIRMAN: So there are no
tractor-trailers coming to your site?
MR. CARLSON: You couldn't get a
tractor-trailer in my site.
THE CHAIP~N: The largest truck used
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would be the truck we see there that has a
box on it, or a pickup truck?
MR. CARLSON: That's it.
THE CHAIRMAN: Does that particular
truck have a freezer on it or a unit on it?
MR. CARLSON: No. They are all
insulated and we use ice that we make there.
THE CHAIRMAN: So then -- there is no
noise emanating from a truck that would be
stored on the site with a refrigeration unit
on --
MR. CARLSON: Definitely not.
THE CHAIRMAN: There is one other
question. How old is the largest barn which
sits to the west side of the property?
MR. CARLSON: It dates back to the
original part of the house.
THE CHAIRMAN: You merely added on to
the barn?
MR. CARLSON: A couple of feet a few
years ago, yes.
THE CHAIRMAN: I don't think I have
any further questions at this time, Hr.
Carlson, but we will see what develops
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throughout the hearing.
Xs there anybody else that would like
to speak in favor of the application?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Claude Carlson,
Arthur's son and I am in the family
business. We have lived there our whole
lives in the fishing business, working on
the water and dealing with our relatives and
some friends in town here. And I am just
trying to go over what he might have missed
that I would like you to know about.
That he did mention we have gone
through the process over the years as his
business has grown, that we have complied
with all regulations, to get all permits
that' are'required when we added'our barn
onto -- in the beginning we got all DEC
permits or agricultural permits. So we
followed all procedures as we thought they
were -- we were supposed to properly.
We feel -- I personally feel that we
are like farmers of the water. We work on
the bays and we Bring stuff in, and we need
a place to store it in our coolers till we
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move it back out of town. We can't keep
lobsters alive without keeping them
somewhere in the cooler, for instance, and
that we are not running any type of retail
business. All we are trying to do is handle
all of our products that we catch ourselves,
in our family -- fan~ly merabers and some of
the ones that we deal with -- some of them
going as far back as approximately 20 years
that have caught lobsters for us. We have
only been at that location 18 or 19 years,
but, you know, we have been in the same kind
of business for our whole lives in this
town.
THE CHAIRMAN: You live on Lot Number
2, w~ich'is a ranch house that faces Ackerly
Pond?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Right. So the
barns are in his backyard and they are also
in my backyard.
THE CHAIRMAN: When somebody delivers
something to you, do they use the Ackerly
Pond access or the Lower Road access?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: They use both.
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We haven't had any problem as far as I know.
The closest neighbor to us on my side has
been very good friends to us and we have no
complaints.
THE CHAIRMAN: For the record -- so
let me just mention for the record that both
accesses are either of sand or they are
unpaved.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Oravel.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anything else
you would like to say?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: No. That's
about it. I just wanted you to realize what
effect this would have on both our families.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is this the sole
supp'ort'~f your income, this business?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Yes.
THE CHAIRMAN: And your father?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Yes, both our
families and our kids in college. This is
our family business we built together and it
just has fallen into place over the years.
THE CHAIRMAN: How many people would
you say you are in contact with that -- or
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that avail themselves of your business?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Probably 50 or
60 local people in town, but it is -- every
year it varies. For instance, some years we
handle bait mussels. People catch bait
mussels. They bring them to us. We buy
them and store them. I also have mussels,
the different years. The last few years
have been very difficult because we haven't
had any mussels, any bait mussels because of
the brown tide. Striped bass has been taken
away -- just given back to us this year on a
lin~ted basis.
We have had hard times over the last
few years trying to keep things together in
this business, to begin with. But to answer
your question more fully, there are about 50
or 60 people but over a given year maybe 30
or 40 because we have ten lobster boats that
bring lobsters to us. This year, for
instance, we had a dozen scallop boats. The
other years we had as nmny as 20 people
scalloping and selling us their products.
As far as conchs go, we probably have about
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eight or ten boats that catch conchs for us
in town.
I would like to mention one other
thing, talking about processing -- is that
originally, we created a market for conchs.
You are not allowed to throw them back
overboard. They are shellfish predators.
They are not supposed to be thrown
overboard. We looked for the market and
created the market for them originall~ by
busting them out of the shell. We found by
steaming them for a short time we could take
them out of the shell without going through
the work of busting them. We only pack
shellfish. Lobsters, scallops, and conchs
are our'basic business, we don't handle
fish, except for what fishing I do.
THE CHAIRMAN: How would you compare
your operation to a farmer?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: I would say we
are very similar to a farmer in one aspect
of what we do on our own, but it would be
like having neighbors or other farmers or
relatives that we handle packing their stuff
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HR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Exactly, extract
the conch out of the shell.
THE CHAIRMAN: You wouldn't be
extracting lobster meat out of
would you?
HR. CLAUDE CARLSON: No.
want to deal with lobster meat.
deal with live lobsters.
the lobster,
We don't
We just
to take out of town for sale.
THE CHAIRMAN: Do you change the
physical characteristic of the products you
use, that you have?
HR. CLAUDE CARLSON: No.
THE CHAIRMAN: Do you slice the
conchs to a point they are sold an masse, in
one piece?
HR. CLAUDE CARLSON: No. We don't
have any kind of final processing type of
operation. Ail we are trying to do is
market a product in the bulk form.
THE CHAIRMAN: So the greatest degree
of processing that you would do would be to
extract the eye of the scallop out of its
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THE CHAIRMAN: Ne thank you very
much, Mr. Carlson.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Thank you.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anybody else
that would like to speak in favor of this
application?
MEMBEROP THE AUDIENCE: Yes.
~ CHAIRMAN: State your name for
the record, please.
MR. DeMAULA: My name is Anthony
DeMaula. I am one of the original fishermen
that started with Hr. Carlson, when Claude
was still in school playing baseball. Sandy
and I have done business for 25 years at
other locations and at this one here.
supplied'him with conchs. I supplied him
with lobster mainly, and occasionally fish
when he had special orders.
The fishing industry, as you all well
know, is in kind of a low ebb in our end of
the community here. Mr. Carlson, in his
business, is an absolutely vital part
this community, as far as fishermen are
concerned. The competitiveness of several
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buyers -- we have George Braun. We have
other small markets in Greenport that do buy
the products, but the amount of product that
is handled by Hr. Carlson is relatively too
vast for the local market. Oeorge Braun
would probably be the closest thing that
could handle it, but he has his o~n fishing
boats -- gentlemen that deal with him, and
if you took the people that deal with Hr.
Carlson and kind of turned those loose on
the market here, it would be detrimental not
only to the gentlemen doing business with
these other people because it would cause a
glut in the market and repress our prices.
We all know that this business is a
supply a~d demand business. It would cause
-- if we had to, we would have to transport.
We would have to lose fishing time by
transporting our product down the Island, to
Connecticut, or other places like that, and
try to develop our own market which is very
difficult when you are a fisherman. You are
either a fisherman or a wholesaler and
dealer like Mr. Carlson. So he has provided
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not only my family, but many families with a
guaranteed safe market of fish -- a fair
safe market for over 25 years.
For this type of a -- Mr. Chairman,
for this type of a situation to come up,
where he has been a long-standing business
in this area, is to me a little bit
ludicrous. It is here and we are addressing
it as such. I honestly believe as far as
the hardship goes, it would be of a
tremendous hardship to the men, especially
the lobster business at this particular
time. Mr. Carlson and his son move a
tremendous amount of lobsters provided by
the 10 -- 12 -- 14 boats depending on the
time'of'Year and without his buSiness there
to help us move our products, we all would
be -- we would have some very difficult
times. We either have to lose fishing time
and go peddle our products or we would have
to hire somebody to drive our truck and to
create our own markets. We just couldn't do
that. Fishing or farming and tourism is the
mainstay of Southold Town, and this man has
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helped the fishing end of it and to create a
good market.
I thank you very much.
THE CHAIRM~N: Thank you, sir.
Is there anybody else that would like
to speak in favor of the application?
MR. WENCZEL: Peter Wenczel. I am a
commercial fisherman and I also am president
of the Southold Town Bayments Association.
I would just like to speak for both
myself and the baymen in the Town of
Southold, generally, and just say that Mr.
Carlson's business is very important for all
the fishermen in Southold. I personally
have relied on it for 13 years now, and
there are a lot of people who are in the
same situation.
The conch processing is very
important. It is not something that you can
do yourself. You have to have a facility
set up and get all the permits and all that,
and it is just -- it is essential for
anybody that does that kind of fishing.
The bay scallop processing is
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o[ thing. It used to
Everybody used to
shuck at home. Now, because of all the DEC
regulations and the Department of Health
regulations, it is almost prohibitive cost-
wise to set up a shop of our own if you do
it right.
So his operation is very important to
all of us, and I just want to say I think
the variance should be granted.
THE CHAIRHAN: Thank you very much,
sir.
Is there anybody else that would like
to speak?
HR. LATSON: Steve Latson. I am
secr~tar~ to the Baymen's Association, also
chairman of the Water Revitalization
Association. ~nd obviously, from what has
been said, that Sandy's business is very
important for the fishermen in this town.
And next year when you have the scallops
coming back, it is going to be extremely so.
I think he has the only legal opening shop
left in the whole town.
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From the standpoint of Waterfront
Revitalization, I think it is really
important to start looking at the zoning
code in Southold Town. Currently, I land
scallops in the Town creek at my mother's
dock. That is actually illegal. That is
illegal. We have got a lot o~ code
problems. I think starting with the
variance here is a good place to start. We
work on it with the Waterfront Revitaliza-
tion, working on the problem that the code
doesn't address ~ishing as being really an
ezisting industry at this point, but you do
hear about it when the politicians start
talking.
! think that is about all I have to
say. I think it is really important that
his variance be granted, and ! think also it
is really important that you guys get
together with the people and involved with
the con~nittee and start altering the codes
to start helping the fishermen because we
keep hearing about the ~ishermen and how
important he is; and he is, but really,
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basically, we are getting shut out of the
town. Thank you.
THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you.
Is there anybody that would like to
speak against the application?
Mr. Flynn?
I~R. FLYNN: I am F. M. Flynn,
resident of the Town of Southold.
The grievous nature and scope of th/s
application is such that I would like to
address it in detail. My purpose is to
create a record for the future should such
be required.
THE CHAIRMAN: How long do you think
this will take you, Mr, Flynn?
'MR. FLYNN: I would say upwards from
five to ten minutes.
Here, again, we are confronted with
yet another transparent attempt to rezone
via variances. What is asked for here can
only be accomplished by means of a rezoning.
May ! remind you that Chapter 100 of
the Town Code Zoning states, as one of its
purposes, "The gradual elimination of non-
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conforming uses."
with their creation, proliferation,
expansion or ultimate approval by this
Board.
Now there is a basic question here.
The legal notice said we are involved with
Lot 13.2. ! hear reference now also to Lot
13.4 which is not part of the legal notice.
THE CHAIRMAN: It.is not part
application.
MR. FLYNN: Then it is not part of
the legal notice which brought me in here.
THE CHAIRMAN: Lot 13.2 is the only
one that has this particular operation on
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This is hardly consistent
it. His son lives on 13.4. I assume that
is the one you are raising. His son has a
one-fantily dwelling on that piece.
MR. FLYNN: It appears to me that
part of the existing operation is on Lot
THE CHAIRMAN: No.
MR. FLYNN: At any rate,
13.4.
really a problem enrolled here.
lot, Lot Nun~er 13.2,
of this
that's not
The subject
is one acre in area in
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an &-C or 2-acre district. It is by Town
Code definition a nonconforming lot.
With respect to use, the applicant
seeks a veritable melange of uses classified
by him as maricultural, to wit:
1) Delivery and storage of seafood.
2) Packaging
3) Freezing and/or preparation of
raw or cooked seafood processing.
4) Shipping
5) Sales for off-premises
consumption.
None of these uses is permitted in an
A-C District.
Mariculture is a permitted use in
MI1 'Districts only, with a two-acre minimum
lot size. Specifically, fish processing is
permitted only as a Special Exception, as
are fish markets.
Each such use requires a plot of two
acres. There is also a question of the
other uses cited as requiring industrial or
business zoning with their attendant plot
minimums.
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In short, the applicant proposes to
locate a long list of non-conforming uses,
each with its individual plot size
requirements, on a one-acre parcel.
It should be noted that the Town Code
specifically prohibits uses emitting noxious
odors in all districts.
With respect to the above, there is a
possibility, even perhaps the probability,
that were these variances granted, the
subject property would be operated in
conjunction with Lot 13.4 in the same block.
Lot 13.4 is also a nonconforming lot
on which a reputably nonconforming and,
possibly illegal, use is conducted.
Neighbor~ already complain about noxious
odors emanating from this lot.
I might add that Lot 13.2 abuts at
least four residences.
What is sought here are multiple
rezonings far beyond the strict letter of
the regulations and the spirit of the Zoning
Chapter of the Town Code.
The spirit of the chapter is clearly
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expressed by the Town Board's limiting these
uses to MI1 Districts. The further intent
or spirit, is further expressed in Section
100-120 of the Town Code which states that
Mil use is intended to provide:
waterfront location for a wide range
water-dependent and water-related uses which
require or benefit from direct access to or
location in marine or tidal waters and
which, in general, are located on major
waterways, open bayfronts or the Long Island
Sound."
SO much for MI1 uses.
By law, in seeking a variance, the
burden of proof is on the applicant.
H~ must submit, for an area variance,
"dollars and cents" proof that his property
is virtually valueless as zoned. This is-
hardly the case in view of the permitted
residential use and the abutting residential
use.
TO grant an area variance, the Board
is enjoined by the courts to consider:
1) How substantial the variance is
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relative to the requirement.
2) Whether substantial change will
be produced in the character of the
neighborhood.
3) Whether the difficulty can he
obviated by some method feasible for the
applicant to pursue other than a variance.
4) Whether, in view of the matter in
which the difficulty arose, the interest of
justice will be served By allowing the
variance.
It is significant that, throughout,
variance is used in the singular. It is
obvious that the courts did not contemplate
a series of variances, the scope of which is
tantamount to rezonings.
I submit that the only difficulty
here arises from the outrageous demands of
the applicant and that such "difficulty" can
be obviated by utilizing the property for a
permitted use.
The substantiality of the variances
sought is obvious in view of their variety,
intensity and obnoxious nature, as well as
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the nonconforming size of the property.
The change in the character of the
neighborhood which the proposed changes
would bring about, should be apparent to all
but the most prejudiced.
Justice involves justice to all
including the neighbors rights to the "quiet
enjoyment" of their properties incorporated
in their "Bundle of Rights" and whose
properties would be devalued for the
applicant's profit. These variances would
effectively constitute spot zoning.
Two of the principal uses sought
require Special Exception.
With respect to Special Exceptions,
the ~own'code states (in part) that the ZBA
must find and determine:
That the proposed use will not
prevent the orderly and reasonable use of
adjacent properties or of properties in
adjacent use districts.
That the safety, the health, the
welfare, the comfort, the convenience or the
order of the town will not be adversely
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affected by the proposed use and its
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the use will be in harmony with
the general purposes and intent
of this chapter. (Chapter 100 - Zoning)
That the use will be compatible with
its surroundings and with the character of
the neighborhood and of the community in
general particularly with regard to
visibility, scale and overall appearance.
Section 100-264 of the Town Code
recites matters to be considered by this
Board in granting Special Exceptions. It is
too lengthy to quote here verbatim, but !
commend its study to anyone interested in
the outcome of this proceeding. In general,
factors to be considered are: the character
of the district; the conservation of
property values; effects of traffic~ the
availability of water and facilities for the
treatment of sewage and other effluents; the
question of the emission of obnoxious gases,
odors, etcetera; whether the plot size is
sufficient and appropriate for the uses;
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whether the proposed site is particularly
suitable for the uses; whether there is risk
of pollution of ground or surface waters,
etcetera.
Here again, these considerations
envisage only a single use and due to the
manifold variance any adverse effects are
obviously intensified.
In conclusion, there is absolutely no
justifiable basis on which to grant these
variances and, in the interest of ~ustice
and to prevent further waste of the
taxpayer's money, I call for a summary
dismissal oE this application.
If it belongs anyway, it belongs as a
cha~ge 0~ zone application before the Toen
Board. Thank you.
HR. ARTHUR CARLSON: I would like to
ask Hr. Flynn a question -- a couple of
questions.
THE CHAIRFIAN: Before you do that,
let me ask you a question. I don't know if
you sat in on the prior hearing with the
garage application, but there are certain
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issues that have been raised here concerning
the code and so on and so forth. At the
completion of the hearing for the evening,
would you like us to recess it so you may
seek legal counsel and possibly come back in
the November meeting or December meeting or
whatever -- how long you feel it is going to
take you to address the specific issues that
were mentioned?
First of all, we have afforded to us
a copy of the issues that Mr. Flynn has
before us. So we don't have to wait until
they are transcribed. However, we can give
you a copy of that so you can talk to your
attorney. That is an issue I want you to
think abo~. '
MI~. CARLSON: Can I ask a couple of
questions of Mr. Flynn? I want to know if
he represents someone. What is his interest
in this?
Number two -- beEore he answers that
-- you people have visited the site. There
are no noxious odors there.
Number three, our water is tested --
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required to be tested by the Department of
Agriculture every two years. We drink that
water in our families. We are not ground
polluting any water. We use very little
water in our operation.
MR. FLYNN: It is obvious that
somebody has to serve as some form of
ombudsman if these applications are not to
slip by unchallenged; two, some of the
neighbors or at least one of the neighbors
-- I should correct that -- has complained
about the emission of odors from that
property; and three, whatever the situation
with groundwater is now, certainly the
possibility for contan~nation is going to be
increase'manifold by the expansion of the
operation of these uses onto another lot.
THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: I would just
like to clarify a couple of things that were
just brought up here that I am not sure if
everybody
pollution.
chemicals.
-- there is no possibility of
We are not using any kind of
Everything is natural. We are
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taking natural shellfish, taking them out of
the shells for sale out of town, and taking
the shell to the dump.
That is the basis of our operation,
of what we are doing. We are not expanding
anything. We have been doing this for many
years and we haven't had any problems.
There were other problems that arised
because of friction between neighbors that
had nothing to do with that.
THE CHAIRMAN: I have before me the
minor subdivision of Lots 1, 2 and 3. Your
father's lot is Lot Number 3, where the
entire operation occurs; is that correct?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: That is correct.
TH~'CHAIRMAN: 'There is no operation'
in your garage or on your prent~ses, where
your house is?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: No, my property
goes across the back of his property.
THE CHAIRMAN: So we are limiting
this discussion primarily to your father's
property.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Yes. There are
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no plans of any kind of expansion. Ail we
want to do is continue what we have been
doing for so many years.
THE CHAIRI4AN: Thank you very much.
Appreciate it.
HR. FLYNN: May I just conunent
briefly about this question of the
identification of the property? Lot Number
13.2 fronts on Lower Road.
THE CHAIRt4AN: That is correct.
HR. FLYNN: Lot Number 13.4 fronts on
Ackerly Pond Road. The improvements are on
the lot fronting on Ackerly Pond Road.
THE CHAIRHAN: No.
HR. PLYNN: At least some of the
improvements.
THE CHAIRI4AN: No. The only thing
that is on Ackerly Pond Road, Nr. Plynn,
-- so we get this straightened out, because
I had a problem here, too, -- Hr. Claude
Carlson's house -- Hr. Carlson's son's house
fronts on Ackerly Pond Road. Hr. Sandy
Carlson, who is the applicant before us in
the nature of this application, his house
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faces on Lower Road. The entire operation
-- I have a survey here -- is on Mr. Sandy
Carlson's or Hr. Arthur Carlson's parcel of
property, which I have before me as 13.2. I
mean, we can afford you any copies of the
file or anything.
MR. FLYNN:
It doesn't alter the
doesn't.
it up with you.
Mr. Arthur Carlson,
nature of my objection.
THE CHAIRMAn: No, it
just want to clear
Mr. Carlson,
I personally am not
to you, but you tell
We can close the
hearing based on the record, or we will
allow you to come back and have you bring
counsel with you.
HR. ARTHUR CARLSON: How soon will
the decision be made?
THE CHAIRMAN: Well, if we close the
hearing tonight, we have 60 days from
tonight to make a decision, which would mean
we would be making a decision before
you when you stood up,
making any suggestions
me what you want to do.
Sandy, we come to the question and I asked
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I think, gerry,
we have presented our case very well and we
stated all the facts. You people have
visited the site, and we stand on what we
are doing as neat as we can do it,
certainly is a help to the town. I
would like to go ahead and close it.
and it
think we
THE CHAIRMAN: I have a particular
problem in the respect I want to talk to the
Town Attorney regarding this application.
So I might recess it to the next regularly
scheduled meeting for the sole purpose of my
discussing it with the Town Attorney.
MR. DINIZIO: I would like to know
the 'right-of-way that goes to Ackerly Pond,
is that in the deed for your property?
MR. ARTHUR CARLSON: Both on our
properties. It is 15 feet right-of-way
going from my driveway, continuing around a
90 degree bend, deeded to both Claude's
property and my property, and enters on --
exits or enters on Ackerly Pond.
THE CHAIRMAN: Just so we have it for
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the record, what initiated this parti=ular
hearing? What caused you to come before us?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: A complaint,
which is a sour grape thing.
THE CHAIRMAN: That was a complaint
by a neighbor?
MR. ARTHUR CARLSON: One neighbor.
THE CHAIRMAN: That's what brought
you to this particular hearing?
MR. ARTHUR CARLSON: I could say
more, but maybe I shouldn't.
THE CHAIRMAN: It is counter-
productive, and we thank you, Arthur, and I
will suggest to the Board that we recess so
we might discuss it with the Town Attorney
and then'you will be back. So we will see
you back here on the 29th. We will restrict
the testimony to five minutes, and we will
he the end
close the hearing and that will
of it.
MR. ARTHUR CARLSON: Thank you.
THE CHAI~/~AN: Hearing no further
questions, I make a motion recessing it to
the next regularly scheduled hearing for the
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purposes of limited oral testimony to the
extent of five minutes on both sides after
discussion with the Town Attorney.
MR. GRIGONIS: Second.
THE CHAIRMAN: All in favor?
MR. DOYEN:
MR. GRIGONIS:
MR. DINIZIO:
THE CHAIRMAN:
Aye.
Aye.
Aye.
Thank you very much,
gentlemen, for coming in.
(Time noted: 9:40 p.m.)
THE CHAIRMAN: The next appeal is
Number 3788, in behalf of Sun Refining and
Marketing.
(Legal notice read off record.)
THE CHAIRMAN: Before us I have a
copy of the site plan from the Sun Refining
and Marketing Company Facility Distribution
Department, from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,
dated 12/30/87. There may be an update on
that, and I have a copy of the Suffolk
County Tax Map indicating this and
surrounding properties in the area.
We ask counsel, is that the latest
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CERTIFICATION
I, GAlL ROSCHEN, do hereby certify that
I am an Official Court Reporter and that the
foregoing constitutes a true and correct
transcript of the Town of Southold Zoning
Board of Appeals hearing of November 1, 1990,
according to my stenographic notes.
GAIL ROSCHEN
Official Court Reporter
145A
Town Board of Appeals -3- November 29, 1990 Regular
Meeting
PUBLIC HEARINGS, continued:
duplication and are expected to be returned soon.) Marie
Ongioni, Esq. asked that she be given an opportunity to respond
to Mr. Cardinale's comments and the survey when submitted,
before the Board seals the record.
10:30 p.m. Appl. No. 3788 - SUN REFINING & MARKETING.
<~~:35 p.m. Appl. No. 3975 - ARTHUR G. CARLSON. Motion was made~
Chairman Goehringer, seconded by Mr. Dinizio, to recess the ~
aring without a date as requested by the applicant for legal~
presentation before concluding the hearing. ~F
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Goehringer, Grigonis,
Doyen and Dinizio. (Member Sawicki was absent.) This
resolution was duly adopted.
DELIBERATIONS/DECISION: (Continued on Pages 4-9, supra).
EALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Serge Doyen, Jr.
Joseph H. Sawicki
James Dinizio, Jr. BOARD OF APPEALS
Telephone (516) 765-1809 TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTt L HARRIS
S%,p.~visor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516)765-1823
Telephor~ (516) 765-1800
MINUTES
REGULAR MEETING
THURSDAYt NOVEMBER 29r
1990
A Regular Meeting was held by the Southold Town Board of
Appeals on THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 29, 1990 at 7:30 o'clock p.m. at
the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York.
Present were: Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman; Member Serge
Doyen, Jr., Member Charles Grigonis, Jr. and Member James
Dinizio, Jr. (Absent was: Member Joseph H. Sawicki.) Also
present was Board Secretary Linda Kowalski, and approximately 40
persons in the audience at the beginning of the meeting. The
court stenographer arrived at 8:00 p.m., as requested, for
recording and transcription of the hearings commencing at 8:05
p.m., and thereafter.
The Chairman opened the meeting at 7:30 p.m. and proceeded
with the following public hearings. Verbatim transcripts of
each hearing has been prepared under separate cover and attached
hereto for reference.
7:30 p.m. Appl. No. 3972 - PETROL STATION. The hearing was
opened and recessed without a date pending an alternative
subdivision plan to be re-drawn by the Planning Board (without
the necessity for variances, as originally referred to the ZBA}.
FORM NO. 4
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
BUILDING DEPARTMENT
Office of the Building Inspector
Town Hall
Southold, N.Y.
Certificate Of Occupancy
No. Z.1.Q986 ....... Date ....... May..1.2 .... .............. 19.82
THIs CERTIFIES that the building . ,....ac cs.a s o ~'y..ga ~'~ge ........................
Location of Property .. 15.15 ............. Lowe~'.. R oa~l. ................. .,~ otl~b.~c~ l (] .....
House No. Street Ham/et
County Tax Map No. 1000 Section ...069 ...... Block .... 05 ......... Lot . .0.1.3, l~.0.2 .......
Subdivision .... ~f .......................... Filed Map No. X. ...... Lot No... Z ..........
conforms substantially to the AppLication for Building Permit heretofore filed in this office dated
·. Fo.b.v.U~e2'..2[5 ...... ,19 8.2 pursuant to which Building Permit No... ] ~l 5.7.~..Z ...........
dated .... F.~bruar.~g. 25 ........... 19 8.Z, was issued, and conforms to all of the requirements
of the applicable provisions of the law. The occupancy for which this certificate is issued is .........
·. ~ .a¢c.e.s.~o~'y..t;~o.-.c.a~. ~e,t?. ~g.e ...............................................
The certificate is issued to ..... Ar. thur. 51,. Ca.~.~,e o~ .................................
(owner~l~ ~r-t~a,e~J
of the aforesaid building.
Suffolk County Department of Health Approval ......... n/. ~' ..............................
UNDERWRITERS CERTIFICATE NO ............. ~I. 5.5492B. ...........................
Building Inspector
Rev. 1/81
FOBM NO. ~
TOWN OF $OUTHOLD
BUILDING DEPARTMENT
TOWN HALL
SOUTHOLD, N. Y.
BUILDING PERMIT
11574
· ::.:::) .~ (THIS PERMIT MUST BE KEPT ON THE PREMISES UNTIL FULL
COMPLETION OF THE WORK AUTHORIZED)
Permission is hereby granted to://
at p ises ocated at ................. ~ ..~..
........ ........................................................................................................................................................ -/~ .¥:.:<.
CounW t~x Mop No. 1000 Section .....~.~...~.. ...... Block ...(.J...~... ........ Lot No..~../..~.~.~,O.~..~-- '
pursuant to application dated ....... '~....~...'~....., 19. and approved by the
Building Inspector.
Fee $..Z..(~......'~... ......
/
Building Inspector
Rev. 6/30/80
FORM NO. 1
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
BUILDING DE?ARTMENT
TOWN HALL
SOUTHOLD, r.!.Y. 11971
TEL.: 7G5-1802
Approved ................. l ~ Permit No ...........
Disapproved a/c ....... ; ............................. /
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(Building Inspector)
APPLICATION FOR BUILDING PERMIT
Appl c,,t,on No. ~ .... ~': .<xZ.. ......
Date .. · ..... ,
INSTRUCTIONS
a. This application must be co:npletely filled in by typewriter or in ink and submitted in triplicate to the Build:
Inspector, with 3 sets of plans, accurate plot plan to scale. Fee according to schedule.
b. Pict Flan showing location of lot and of buildings on premises, relationship to adjoining premises or public stre
or areas, and giving a detailed description of layout of property must be drawn oil the dia~am which is part of this
cation.
c. The work covered by this application may not be commenced before issuance of Building Permit.
d. Upon approval of this application, the Building Inspector will issue a Building Penuit to the applicant. Such pen
shall be kept on the premises available for inspection throughont the work.
e. No buildiag shall be occupied or used in whole or in part for any purpose whatever until a Certificate of Occupar
sl'.~l have been granted by the Building Inspector.
APPLICATION IS IIEREBY ?,lADE to the Building Department for the issuance o£ a Building Permit pursuant to t
Building Zone Ordinance of the Town bf Southold, Suffolk County, New York, and other applicable Laws, Ordinances
Regulations, for the construction of buildings, additions or alterations, or for removal or demolition, as herein descriN
The applicant agrees I~ comply x~jth all applicable laws, ordinances, building code housing code%and regulations, and.
admit authorized iuspt:ctors ou pr~mises and in buildings for necessary inspe~ /~
;-; ......
t "g pp ' , nam=, if a corporation)
·
(Mailing address of applicant)
S'tate whether applicant is owner, les,see, agent, architect, engineer, general contractor, electrician, plumber or build
...o ................................................................... . ..............
(as on the tax roll or latest deed)
If applicant is a corporation, signature of duly authorized officer.
t(Name and title of corporate officer)
Builder's License No....'~-~..~....-~.>.-C,J-f'..~..' ........
Plumber's Licens-. N.a. ~
Electrician's License No.
Other Trade's Lkcns~ No.- .....................
1. Locatiou of land on which proposed work will be done. '
./.,7/,57 .................. Z .............
House Number Street Hamlet
County Tax Map No. i O00 Section ~P ~''/~ Block t:f 5- Lot .0/.5..0'~.~..
Subdivision ..................................... Filed Map No ............... Lot .............
(Name)
2. State existing use and occupancy of premises and intended use and occupancy of proposed construction:
a. Existing use and occupancy /~'~ ¢C .~..r..c~..~'7...'77ff.../. .~"./ '
(Description)
. /~ (to be paid on filing tifi~ apphca,~,z~
;. Ifdv, e:dag, number of dwe!!mg um~s . .~/~. ....... Number of dwelling unffs on each floor ...........
Ifgarage. number of cars ..~Cz~.~. L"~.HZC~ ...........................................
~. If business, commercial or mixed occupancy, speedy ~ature and extent of each type of use ....................
~. Dimensions of existing sm~ctures, ifanv: Front . ~.. ~ ........ Rear .~ ........... Depth .~.~. ........
~a~i~ ..~ ............ N,,nb~ of S~o;ie$..:~C..~/G~..: ......................... , ......
Dimensiq~s,~f same structure with alterationsor additions: Front ...~ .......... Rear . .~ ............
'~'~' 7. ............... mi~t ./~.~ .,.~ ............. s~b~of Sto~i~s .~ ....................
Depth
L D mens onsof,nt re new constrt etlon Front ~ Rear
). S ze of lot Front . ' · Rear D~th
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Datc of Purchase
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I. Zone or use district in which pr~mises are situated..~'~.5~.~Z/~k
!. Does proposed construc$ion violate any zoning law, ordMance or r~dat~o~':~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ 22 . ~ ~ ~ ~ 7 ~ ' ~ ~
5. Wi~ lot be regraded ~...e... .... z- .~ ....... ~.. Will exc,ess fill b~re~ved from premises:~., Yes ~ N~
L Name of Owner of premises ~C,~ ~. ~C~o~ Address ~'Zr~CaY4. ~-~r.~q(D Phone No. ~ ~. 7 ~.
Name of Architect ......................... -.. Address P.d i~,~ ~ ~.... i Phon~ No ...............
N~ orco~t~¢~o~ .......................... a~a;~ i~ ~$'~. .. Pho~ No .......
PLOT DIAGRAM
Locate clearly :md distinctly ail ot iklings, whether existing or proposed, and, indicate all set-back dimens:ons fror
~roperty lines. Give street and block ri,umber or description according
:~tcrior or corner lot~ /~(/~,4'~' ~' =7'/7-cr ~?//,/~r/~,7'-/~,/c~3' to/777~,Wd'//~r/-)deed' and show street n:xrnes and indicate who, thc
STATE OF NEW Y~3RK, ..~///~ ,, ,. .
c o u~rF-o~.~,/~.-../; ~.~,
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(Nan~c of individual signing contract)
-. ¢ is the ................................................................................
(Contractor, agent, corporate officer, etc.)
: f said owner or owne~, ~d is duly auttmfized to perform or have performed the said work ~d to m~e and fil¢
;-)plication; that all statements co~tained in this applicaLion are true to tlie best of his knowledge and belief; and that th
.... ~.~. ....... -.~,y or. ~5~. ...... ~5&~ ~ ~,,~o~ .
~r~ ARY PUBUC State of New Y~k. ' '
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po~d
R -80
R-~80
soUrs/OLD
Southold Town BoarJ o£, ppeals
-~OUTHOLD, L. I., N. Y. 119~1
Telephone 765~2
APPEAL BOARD
MEMBERS
Robert ~'. Gillispie, Jr., Cheirman
Robert Bergen
Charles Grlgonis,
Serge Doyen, Jr.
x~x XeA~XX, X
James Maimone
I April 20, 1978
Mr.-Thomas Wexler
East Marion, NY 11939
Dear Mr. Wexler:
Under the current Zoning Ordinance of the Town of Southold,
agricultural products grown on premises may be sold at roadside.
on the premises of the grower.
However, it is not possible to permit retail sales of products
of the sea in the Agricultural-Residential zone on the premises
of agricultural producers. Under our Ordinance, such sales are
to be contained within the "B" Light Business zone.
Counsel concurs with the
foregoing opinion.
RWG:med
NOTICK OF'tlEARINGS
NOTICE I$ IIEREBY GIVEN,
pursuant to Scction 267 of thc Town
Law and thc Code of thc Town of
$outhold, the following matters will
be held for i)ublic hcadng$ before thc
SOUTIIOLD TOWN BOARD OF
APPEALS at thc Southold Town
flail, 53095 Main Road, .~uuthcld,
New York 1197I, on WEDNkSDAY,
MARCII 25, 1992 commencing at
thc dmcs spccificd below:
(1) 7:32 p.m. AppL No. 4090 --
MR. AND MRS. IL LLOYD
KANEV. Variance to thc Zoinng Or-
dinance. Ardcle XXIII, Section
2:39.4 for penni:sion to construct ad-
dition to existing dwelling for in-
creased livable floor area. all of
which is to bc situltcd at less than
100 fcct from thc top of thc bluff
along the L.I. Sound. Location of
27.29, & 30).
(b) Appl. No. 4093
WILI~IAM~ GOODALE (Owner)
for a Speck._ xccption under Aedcl~
X, S~tion 100-10lB(12) for a pea]st
(c) outsidc display of vehicles, (d)
(5) 8:00 p.m. Appl. No. 4070 --
DALCIIIfP CORP-. WILLIAM AND
LORRAINE ORLOWSKL Variance
to thc Zoning Ordlnancc, Aedclc III,
Section 100-32, Bulk Schedule. for
approval of: (I) proposed Lot No. 3~c
dtis R-80 zone district {Ihc remaining
four lots will meet the 80,000 sq. ft.
size requirement}, and/or: (b) Aedile
XViB, Section 100-181C(2) for ap-
for a density of five proposed lots in
this mixed R-80 and 1~.40 Zone Dis-
side of 1 [arlx~r Lanc. Cutcboguc. NY;
County Tax Map Parcel No. I000-
097-6-17 and 1000-103-1-20,5 and
20.6. ¢ontaiedng a total area of 9.04
(6) 8:20 p.m. Appl. No. 3975 --
ARTI1UR G. CARLSON. 'Fats is an
from the October 11. 1991 Notice of
Disapproval from the Building In-
Ill, Section 100-31A(2) for approval
agricultural usc. Thc subject parcel is
Southold. NY; County 'lax Map Par-
c¢1 No. 1000-60-04-2:3; also known
as L~X $$3 of thc Minor Subdivisi~ of
Judith T. Terry approved by tbc
Soutbold Town Plamfing Board
The Board of Appeals will at said
time and place bear any and all per-
hearing. Each hearing will not start
For more information, pl~asa call
765-1809 or visit our office.
Dated: Marcb 5. 1992,
BY ORDER OF T11E
SOUTIIOLD
TOWN BOARD OF APPEALS
GERARD P. GOEIIRINGER
By Linda Kowalsld
7~25-rrMn iS;:~C
STATE OF NEW
)SS:
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK)
C~ ~0 r,/J4_i~J f~ of Mattituek, In
said County, being duly sworn~ says that he/abe is Principal
Clerk of THE SUFFOLK TIMES, · Weekly Newspaper,
published et Mattltuck, In the Town of Southold, County of
Suffolk and State of New York, and that the Notice of which
the annexed is a printed copy, has been regularly published In
said Newspaper once each week for _-L-- weeks
s~.~/iY, commencing °n the19 ~ ~"'~ [.~-~'~q day of
' ' Sworn tO before me this
dayof J/~ ~t/r'&
Principal Clerk
~ ARANEO
WILLIAM C
NOTARY PU~L!C, S~ae 01 New York
Qualified ,a Suffolk County~ ~
BOARD OF APPEALS, TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
In the Matter et the Petition bf
Arthur Carlson.
to the. Board of Appeals of the Town of Southold
TO: Claude Carlson & Diane Carlson
Ackerly Pond Lane
Southold, New York 11971
NOTICE
TO
ADJACENT
PROPERTY OWNER
YOU ARE HEREBY GIVEN NOTICE:
1. Thai il is Ihe intention of the undersigned to i~et~ibn the Board of Appeals of the Town of 5outhold
to request a (Variance) (Special Exception) (Special Permit) (Other) [circle choice]
Interpretation
2. That the property which is tee subject of the Petition is located adjacent to your property and is des-
crihed as follows: SCTM~ 1000-69-5-13.2; 1575 Lower Road Southold, New York
11971
3. Thaltheproperty whichisthesubjectofsuchPetitionislocatedinthefollowingzoningdistrict:
Article III (Agricultural-Conservation (A-C) District) Section 100-30 .
through 100-33
4 ]hath)~uchPelition, theunder~igned willrequestthefollowingrelief: as interpretation
_~;_[ng that aquacultural ~se falls w~thin the purview of agricultural
use.
5. That ~he provisions of the 5outhold Town Zoning Code applicable to the relief sought by the under-
signed are Article II1 Section 100-3lA and 10O-~l B (13)
[ ] Section 280-A, New York Town Law for approval of access over right(s)-of-way.
6. ]hal within five day~ from the date hereof, a written Petition requesting the relief specified above will
be filed in the Southold Town Clerk's Office at Main Road Southold, New York and you may then and there
examine the same during regular office hours. (516) 7~5-1809.
7. 1'hat before the relief ~ought may be granted, a public hearing must be ~'eld on the matter by the
Board o1' Appeals; that a notice of such hearing must be published at least five days prior to the date of such
hearing in the Suffolk Times and in the Long Island Traveler-Mattituck Watchman, newspapers published in the
Town of Southold and designated for the publication of such notices; that you or your representative have the
right to appear and be heard at such hearing.
Dated: January 19th, 1991.
Petitioner Arthur Carlson
Owners'Names: c/o McNglty-S_~piess
PostOfficeAddress
633 East Main Street. P.O.
Riverhead, New York 11901
Tel. No. (516) 727-8200
[Copy of sketch or plan showing proposal to be
purposes.]
Box 757
attacn~convenience
NAM~
~ ~T MAIN STREET
STATE OF NEW YORK )
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK)
Cynthia A. Miller , residing at Riverhead. New York
, being duly sworn, deposes and says that on the 19th day
of February ,19 91 , deponent mailed a true copy of the Notice set forth on the re-
verse side hereof, directed to each of the above-named persons at the addresses set opposite their respective
names; that the addresses set opposite the names of said persons are the addresses of Said persons as shown on
the current assessment roll of the Town of Somhold; that said Notices were mailed at the United S~tates Post Of-
fice at Riverhead ; that said Notices were mailed to each of said persons by
(cert~hed) (,~ ....... j mail.
Sworn to before me this 19th
day of F~bruary , 19 ~
Notary Public
Cynthia A. Miller
(This side does not have
property owners.)
to be
completed
on form
trL~lsmt gteo tO
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BOARD OF APPEALS, TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
In the Matter of the Petition of :
Arthur Carlson :
to the Board of Appeals of the Town of Southold :
TO:
Joseph W. Irwin & Judith E. Irwin
10 Secaucus Lane
East Islip, New York 11730
NOTICE
TO
ADJACENT
PROPERTY OWNER
YOU ARE HEREBY GIVEN NOTICE:
1. That it is the intention of the undersigned to ~te~tron the Board of Appeals of the Town of Southold
to requesta (Variance) (Special Exception) (Special Permit) (Other) [c££¢1e choice]
Interpretation ).
2. That the property which is the subject of the Petition is located adiacent to your property and is des-
cribed as follow,: SCTM~f 1000-69-5-13.2; 1575 Lower Road Southold, New York
11971
3. That~heproperty whichisthesubjectofsuchPetitionislocatedinthefollowingzoningdistrict:
Article III (~ricultural-Conservation (A-C) District) Section 100-30 .
through 100-33
4 ]hail~suchPelition, theundersigned willrequestthefollowingrelief: as interpretation
~9~D~_~nK that a_quacultural ~se falls.Within the purview of agricultural
use.
5. Tha! the provisions of the ~outhold Town Zoning Code applicable to the relief sought by the under-
signed are ~rticle III Section 100-3lA and 100-31 B (15)
[ ] Section 280-A, New York Town Law for appr0va] of access over r~ght(s)-of-way.
b. That within five da~,s from the date hereof, a written Petition requesting the relief specified above will
be filed in ~he Southold Town Clerk's Office at Main Road Southold, New York and you ma}' then and there
examine the same during regular office hours. (516) ?~5-1809.
7 [t~at before the relief ~ought may be granted, a public hearing must be ~'eld on the matter by the
Board of Appeals; that a notice of such hearing must be published at least five days prior to the date of such
hearing in the Suffolk Times and in the Long Island Traveler-Mattituck Watchman, newspapers published in the
Town of Southold and designated for the publication of such notices; that you or your representative have the
right to appear and be heard at such hearing.
Petitioner Arthur Carlson
Owners'Names: c/o McNultyrS_piess
PostOfficeAddress
633 East Main Street. P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, New York 11901
Dated: January 19th, 1991.
Tel. No. (516) 727-8200
[Copy of sketch or
purposes. ]
plan showing proposal to be
attac~'~d~venience
STATE OF NEW YORK )
COUNTYOFSUFFOLK)
SS.:
Cynthia A. ~lMiller , residing at Riverhead, New York
, being du~y sworn, deposes and says that on the i~t~. day
of February ,19 91 , deponent mailed a true copy of the Notice set forth on the re-
verse side hereof, directed to each of the above-named persons at the addresses set opposite their respective
names; that the addresses set opposite the names of said persons are the addresses of said persons as shown on
the current assessment roll of the Town of Southold; that said Notices were mailed at the United S&ates Post Of-
rice at Riverhead
(certified) (~-~nxn~J mail.
Sworn to before me this 19th
day o f/~e~r/u ./~. y ,
c
Notary Public '"~' y ~"
; that said Notices were mailed to each of said persons by
Cy~l thia A. Miller
(This side does not have to be completed on form transmitted to adjoining
property owners.)
BOARD OF APPEALS, .TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
In the Matter ot the Petition of :
Arthur Car~so~ :
to the Board of Appeals of the Town of Southold :
TO: Andre Moraillon & Deborah Keegan
225 Centr. gl!~Ra~.k~ Neat
New York, New York 10024
NOTICE
TO
ADJACENT
PROPERTY OWNER
YOU ARE HEREBY GIVEN NOTICE:
1. That it is the intention of the undersigned to ~e(ttion the Board of Appeals of the Town ot Southold
to requesta (Variance) (Special Exception) (Special Permit (Other) [circle choice]
Interpretation
2. That the property which is the subject of the Petition is located adjacent to your property and is des-
cribed as follows: SCTM{~ 1000-69-5-13.2; 1575 Lower Road Southold, New York
11971
3. Thattheproperty whichisthesubiectofsuchPetitionislocatedinthefollowingzoningdistrict:
Article III (Agricultural-Conservation (A-C) District) Section 100-30 .
through 100-33
4 ]l~ath~u~hP¢lition, theundersigned willrequestthefollowingrelief: as interpretation
_d~_r_~_~ha~ aquacultural ~se falls within the purview of agricultural
use.
5. Tha~ ~he provisions of the 5outhold Town Zoning Code applicable to the relief sought by the under-
signed are Article III Section 100-3lA and 100-31 B (13)
[ ] Section 280-A, New York Town Law for approval of access over right(s)-of-way.
b. lha[ within five da¥~ from the date hereof, a written Petition requesting the relief specified above will
be filed in the Sou~hold Town Clerk's Office at Main Road Southold, New York and you may then and there
examine the same during regular office hours. (516) 7~5-1809.
7. Tha! before the relief sought may be granted, a public hearing must be ~'eld on the matter by the
Hoard of Appeals; that a notice of such hearing must be published at least five days prior to the date of such
hearing in the Suffolk Times and in the Long Island Traveler-Matfituck Watchman, newspapers published in the
Town of Southold and designated for the publication of such notices; that you or your representative have the
right to appear and be heard at such hearing.
Dated: January 19th, 1991. ~/~ ~.~ _
Petitioner Arthur Carlson
Owners'Names: c/o McNulty-Spiess
PostOfficeAddress
633 East Main Street, P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, New York 11901
Te]. No. (516) 727-8200
[Copy of sketch or plan showing proposal to
purposes.]
be a t t a c b~.i~o"~_£an v e n i e n c e
NAM~
UNITF. D STATE8 I,O~I'AL,$ERVIOE
OFI:~IAL BUSINE88
RETURN Pr~pt Sender's
TO
STATE OFNEWYORK)
COUNTYOFSUFFOLK)
Cynthia A. Miller , residing at Riverhead, New York
, being duly sworn, deposes and says that on the 19~h day
of Februar:f ,19 91 , deponent mailed a true copy of the Notice set forth on the re-
verse side hereof, directed to each of the above-named persons at the addresses set opposite their respective
names; that the addresses set opposite the names of said persons are the addresses of Said persons as shown on
the current assessment roll of the Town of Sourhold; that said Notices were mailed at the United S, tates Post Of-
fice at Riverhead ; that said Notices were mailed to each of sail persons by
(cer[ifiedJ (r.~,;~*er-e~ mail.
Sworn to/before me this 19th
day ~ ~e, pruary ~ , 19
Cynthia A. Miller
91
(This side does not have to be completed on form transmitted to adjoining
property owners.)
BOARD OF APPEALS, TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
In the Matter ot the Petition of
ArThur Carlson
to the Board of Appeals of the Town of Southold
TO: Theodore Klos
Ackerly Pond Lane
Southold, New York 11971
NOTICE
TO
ADJACENT
PROPERTY OWNER
YOU ARE HEREBY GIVEN NOTICE:
1. That it is the intention of the undersigned to~meti~on the Board of Appeals of the Town of 5outhold
to request a (Variance) (Special Excep6on) (Special Permit) (Other) [circle choice]
Interpretation ).
2. That the property wi]ich is the subject of the Petition is located adiacent to your property and is des-
cribedasfollow~,: SCTM~/ 1000-69-5-13.2; 1575 Lower Road Southold, New York
11971
3. Thattheproperty whichisthesubjectofsuchPetitionislocatedinthefollowingzoningdistrict:
Article III (Agricultural-Conservation (A-C) District) Section 100-30 .
through 100-33
4 lhall]~,o~l~Pelithm, theoodersignedwillrequestlhefollowingrelief: as interpretation
_~.~!~_~ng_~at aquacultural ~se falls within the purview of agricultural
use.
5. That the provisions of the 5outhold Town Zoning Code applicable to the relief sought by the under-
signed are ~rticle III Section lO0-31A and 100-31 B (13)
[ ] Section 280-A, New York Town Law fo~ approval of access over rJ§ht(s)-of-way.
b. 1hat within five da~,s Iron the date hereof, a written Petition requesting the relief specified above will
be filed in the Southold Town Clerk's Office at Main Road Southold, New York and you may then and there
examine the same during regular office hours. (516) 7~5-1809.
7. Tha! before the relief suught may be granted, a public hearing must beheld on the matter by the
Board of Appeals; that a notice of such hearing must be published at least five days prior to the date of such
hearing in the Suffolk Times and in the Long Island Traveler-Mattituck Watchman, newspapers published in the
Town of Southold and designated for the publication of such notices; that you or your representative have the
right to appear and be heard at such hearing.
Dated: January 19th, 1991.
Petitioner Ar~t hur Carlson ~'
0whets'Names: c/o McNulty-Spiess
Post Office Address
633 East Main Street, P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, New York 11901
Tel. No. (516) 727-8200
[Copy of sketch or plan showing
purposes.]
proposal
to
NAME
f yOF~ I ~ ee~
STATE OF NEW YORK )
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK)
Cynthia A. Miller , residing at Riverhead, New York
, being duly sworn, deposes and says that on the 19th day
of February ,, 19 91 , deponent mailed a true copy of the Notice set forth on the re-
verse side hereof, directed to each of the above-named persons at the addresses set opposite their respective
names; that the addresses set opposite the names of said persons are the addresses of said persons as shown on
the current assessment roll of the Town of Somhold; that said Notices were mailed at the United 5~tates Post Of-
fice at Riv~rhead ; that said Notices were mailed to each of sai~ persons by
(certified) ('r~g'4,'~"~) mail.
Sworn to before me this 19th
day o?feb, ruary~ /~, 19 91
Notary Public~
(This side does not have to be completed on
property owners.)
Cynthia A. ~,lMiller
form transmitted to adjoining
uNLAwFUl:.E~ ~ I
...... PE ' '~'~PARTM~!
9 AM TO 4 PM FOR THE
OF OCCUPAN,C¥
FOLLOWING INSPECTIONS:
1. FOUNDATION _ TWO REQUIRED
FOR POURED CONCRETE
2. ROUGH - FRAMING & PLUMBING
3. INSULATION
4, FINIAL . CON'STRUCTION MUST
BE COMPLETE FOR C. O,
ALL CONSTRUCT/ON SHALL
THE REQU REMENTS OF THE N.
STATE CONSTRUCTION & ENER~
CODES, NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR
DESIGN OR CONSTRUCTION ERRORS.
F E E,'~,/<:~' ~' BY:
NOTIFY BUILDING E~'A~T~AEN,T AT
765-1802 9 AhA TO 4 PhA FOR THE
EOLLOWING INSPECTIONS:
1. FOUNDATION - TWO REQUIP-EO~
FOR POURED CONCRETE
2, ROUGH - FRAhAIN? & PLUhABING
3. INSULATION
4. FINAL - CC~NSTRUCTION MUST
BE COMPL~TE FOR C, O.
ALL CONSTRUCTION SHALL MEET
THE REQU~REhAENTS OF THE N. Y-
STATE CONSTRUCTION & ENERGY'
CODES. NOT RESPONSIBLE FO~
DESIGN OR CONSTRUCTION ERRORS,
!1
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
NOTICE OF HEARING
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, pursuant to Section 267 of the Town
Law and the Code of the Town of Southold, the following matters
will be held for public hearings before the SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
OF APPEALS at the Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road, Southold,
New York 11971, on WEDNESDAY, JULY 29, 1992 commencing at the
following times:
7:32 p.m. Appl. No. 4118 - GLADYS J. MILNE. Variance to
the Zoning Ordinance, Article XXIV, Section 100-244B, and
Article XXIII, Section 100-239.4B for permission to construct
deck addition with insufficient side yard setback, insufficient
setback from existing bulkhead, and with lot coverage at more
than 20% of the code limitation. Location of Property:
240 Knoll Circle, East Marion; County Tax Map District 1000,
Section 37, Block 5, Lot 15; Gardiners Bay Estates Lot No. 31.
7:37 p.m. Appl. No. 4115 - STEPHEN AND ELLA SCHMIDT.
Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article XXIV, Section 100-244B
for permission to construct deck addition with an insufficient
rear yard setback at 340 Bay Haven Lane, Southold, "Map of Bay
Haven" Lot No. 27; County Tax Map District 1000, Section 088,
Block 04, Lot 24.
' Page 2 - Legal Notice
Hearings for July 29, 1992
Southold Town Board of Appeals
7:40 p.m. Appl. No. 4023 ~ CELLULAR TELEPHONE CO. d/b/a
METRO ONE. This is an Appeal of the March 14, 1991 Notice of
Disapproval issued by the Building Inspector for an
Interpretation under Article XXIII, Section 100-230 concerning
a proposed 104 ft. height of a monopole structure for radio
transmission, and in the alternative, appellant requests a
variance from the height restriction. Location of Property:
(#415) Westerly side of Elijah's Lane and the Northerly Side of
the Main Road (NYS Route 25), Cutchogue, NY; also shown on
Planning Board subdivision-approved map of May 15, 1990;
property now or formerly of William J. Baxter and Others;
County Tax Map Parcel ID No. 1000-108-4-part of 11.
7:50 p.m. Appl. No. 4022SE - CELLULAR TELEPHONE CO. d/b/a
METRO ONE. Request for Special Exception approval under Article
VIII, Section 100-81B(1) and Article III, Section 100-31B(6) for
an unmanned telecommunications building in an existing concrete
block building and construction of a monopole radio tower with
antenna for transmitting and receiving radio signals to provide
cellular telephone services. Location of Property: (#415)
Westerly side of Elijah's Lane and the Northerly Side of the
Main Road (NYS Route 25), Cutchogue, NY; also shown on Planning
Board subdivision-approved map of May 15, 1990; property now
or formerly of William J. Baxter and Others; County Tax Map
ID No. 1000-108-4-part of 11.
Parcel
8:00 p.m. Appl. No. 4116 - LINDA TAGGART. This is an
Appeal of the March 13, 1992 Notice of Disapproval issued by the
Page 3 - Legal Notice
Hearings for July 29, 1992
Southold Town Board of Appeals
Building Inspector under Article XIV, Section 100-142 and
Article F2~III, Section 100~239.4B for approval or recognition of
lot with a substandard size of 15,285 sq. ft., lot width
(frontage) along the Main Road 76.46 feet, and lot depth 125.0
feet. At the time of transfer of title, the property was
located in the B-Light Business Zone. Today, the property is
located in the Light Industrial (LI) Zone District. Location of
Property: 68320 Main Road, Greenport; Map of Peconic Bay
Estates Lot Nos. 185 and 186; County Tax Map Parcel ID
No. 1000-53-2-2.
8:15 p.m. Appl. No. 4117SE - LINDA TAGGART. Request for a
Special Exception under Article XIII, Section 100-131B, as
referenced from Article XIV, Section 100-141B for permission to
establish retail gift shop in this Light Industrial (LI) Zone
District. Location of Property: 68320 Main Road, Greenport;
Map of Peconic Bay Estates Lot Nos. 185 and 186; County Tax Map
Parcel ID No. 1000-53-2-2.
8:25 p.m. Appl. No. 4120 - WILLIAM GOODALE AND MATTITUCK
AUTO CENTER, INC. Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article
XXI, Section 100-212B for relief from the front yard landscaping
provisions of the zoning code. Location of Property: 7655 NYS
Route 25 (Main Road), Laurel, near Mattituck, NY; County Tax
Map Parcel No. 1000-122-06-30.1 (previously 30).
8:30 p.m. Appl. No. 4119SE - RICHARD GOODALE AND MATTITUCK
AUTO CENTER, INC. (Tenant). Special Exception to the Zoning
Ordinance, Article X, Section 100-101B(12) for a permit
Page 4 - Legal Notice
Hearings for July 29, 1992
Southold Town Board of Appeals
authorizing: (a) a new car sales establishment; (b) an
establishment of an accessory use incidental to the proposed new
car sales establishment for the sale and/or lease of used
vehicles; (c) outside display of vehicles, (d) accessory
office use incidental to the new principal use as a new car
sales establishment. Location of Property: 7655 Main Road
(NYS Route 25), Laurel, near Mattituck, NY: County Tax Map
Parcel No. 1000-122-06-30.1 (prey. 30).
8:45 p.m. (Reconvened from June 30, 1992) Appl. No. 4091-
EUGENE M. LACOLLA. Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article
III, Section 100-31A and B, requesting permission to change use
of a portion of the subject premises, from residential to
non-residential. Location of Property: Location of Property:
North Side of Main Road (State Route 25), at Arshamomoque near
Greenport, (abutting properties of Hollister's Restaurant, Mill
Creek Liquors, The Pottery Place, etc.); County Tax Map Parcel
Nos. 1000-56-4-24 and 19.
9:00 p.m. Appl. No. 4072 - Appl. No. 4072 - VARUJAN AND
LINDA ARSLANYAN. Appeal of the November 26, 1991 Notice of
Disapproval of the Building Inspector for a Variance to the
Zoning Ordinance, Article XXIII, Section 100-239.4A and Article
XXIV, Section 100-244B, or Article III, Section 100-32, for
permission to construct swimming pool and deck addition with
insufficient sideyard(s) and with insufficient setback from
sound bluff/bank along the Long Island Sound. Location of
Property: 54455 (North Side) of County Road 48, Greenport;
Page 5 Legal Notice
Hearings for July 29, 1992
Southold Town Board of Appeals
County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-52-1-8.
The Board of Appeals will at the above time and place hear
any and all persons or representatives desiring to be heard
concerning these applications. Written con~ents may also be
submitted prior to the conclusion of the subject hearing. Each
hearing will not start before the times designated above. For
more information, please call 765-1809.
Dated: July 14, 1992. GERAP/] P. GOEHRINGER
CHAIPd~AN
By Linda Kowalski
FORM NO. 3
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
BUILDING DEPARTMENT
TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE
SOUTHOLD, N.Y.
NOTICE OF DISAPPROVAL
PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that your application dated .~M~..~ .~. .... ¢~ ~ ....... 19 .°Z. ~.
?,~..~....
4
pe~it to ~~...L~.~ ~ ............ ~
for
~cation of Property..~ ~ ....... ~~..~, ....... ~~~ .......
House No. Steer Hamlet
County Tax Map No. 1000 Section ... ~ ~.~ ..... Block .... ~ ~ ..... Lot ... J. ~.~...
Subdivision ................. Filed Map No ................. Lot No ..................
is returned herewith and disapproved on the follow~g grounds .~~.. ~.. ~/~-~
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Building Inspector
RV 1/80
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK
AMENDED APPLICATION OF
APPEAL FROM DECISION OF BUILDING INSPECTOR
TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, TOWN OF SOUTHOLD, N. Y.
APPEAL NO. 3975
DATr ~rJanu.a. rv 19, t991~-
1, (We) .....A .r t ~u..r.....C.{%~, ~,~ o. t3 ............... of
...15.lS...L~we~..Ro a~ ........ ,., .........................
Name of Appellant Street and Numbe=
Southold . .~ ~..e...w....y.p..r..~ ....... HEREBY APPEAL._'[O
Municipality State
THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FROM THE DECISION OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR ON
APPLICATION FOR PERMIT NO ..................................... DATED ..... .A..~.~.~.~....2..3..,.....]...9..,c~.0. .............
WHEREBY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DENIED TO
(x)
( )
( )'
N ,(~ne of Applicant for permit
of
1575 Lower Road", .S.~.U,~h.qld,.. ~e~ York
Street and Number Municipality State
PERMIT TO USE
PERMIT FOR OCCUPANCY
1. LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY ..... 3.52_5..Lomer...R~a,d ...........................................................
Street /Hamlet / Use District on Zoning Map
District 1000 Section 69 Block 5 Lot 13..2~ trent
................................................................................. u Owner Arthur Carlson
Mop No. Lot No. Prior 0wner Judith Terry
2. PROVISION (S) OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE APPEALED (Indicate the Article Section, Sub-, 693
section and Paragraph of the Zoning Ordinance by number. Do not quote the Ordinanc;e.)~r~,
Article III Section 100-31 A ........ ,~Ar~'"~-~-~(~'*~J
3. TYPE OF APPEAL Appeal is made herewith for (please check appropriate box)
( ) A VARIANCE to the Zoning Ordinance or Zoning Map
( ) A VARIANCE due to lock of access (State of New York Town Low Chap. 62 Cons. Laws
Art. ]~ Sec. 280A Subsection 3
(X) Interpretation of above zoning ordinance,
4. PREVIOUS APPEAL A previous appeal (has) (has not) been made with respect to this decision
of the Building Inspector or with respect to this property.
Such appeal was ( ) request for a special permit
( ) request for a variance
· and was made in Appeal No ...... ~.~.7..~. ................. Dated ...,~,tlgg,~.F,..~.~.,..,],.9.c)..g. ................. .i ...........
REASON FOR APPEAL
( ) A Variance to Section 280A Subsection 3
( ) A Variance to the Zoning Ordinance
(X) This constitutes an amended application to Appeal number 3975.
Form ZBI
(Continue on other side)
REASON FOR APPEAL
Continued
1. STRICT APPLICATION OF THE ORDINANCE would produce practicaldifficultiesorunneces-
sary HARDSHIP because strict enforcement of the Southold Town Code
would effectively put us out of business and indirectly adversely
affect many local Southold Town Fisherman. The Southold Town Code
does not adequitly protect the fisherman of our Town. Accordingly,
we ask that the ~ode treat residents engaged in the aquacultural
business and the agricultural business equally.
We are engaged in the business of packaging and distribution of
locally produced aquatic products;just as farmers are engaged in
the business of packaging and distribution of vegetables, amd
as wineries are engaged in the business of packaging a,[d distribution
of wine.
~.- -T~e- Ye.erie ~ ,eh. se r-ye -t;he -spi. ri,t -~-tha- On::~.nan~ e -o~d - ~NJ4_*D- -NOT- .-C..N.A N G E. -'THE -
C- t4ARA(;;TE-R- .OF-T-N E..I~S.T4~ CT -b~cc~.t.s~. -
STATE OF NEW YORK
COUNTY OF
Signature
A~THUR CARLSON
Sworn to th~s .......... ,1. p..t..h.. .......................... day of.....J.~n.u...a.r~ ................................... 19 91
................ Notary Public
lt~r/~ 8~1~ d N~ Yak
Qud~ b 8undcamy
WILLIAM C. GOGGINS
Zoning Board of Appeals
Town of Southold
53095 Main. Road
P.O. Box 179
Southold, New York 11971
McNULTY- SPIE~S$
ATTORNEYS &COUNSELORS AT LAW
~33 EAST HAIN STREET
P. O. BOX 757
January 15. 1992
EDWARD D. BURKE
OF COUNSEL
Attention: Linda Kowalskl
Interpretation application of Arthur G. Carlson;
Application No. 3975
Dear Ms. Kowalski:
Please be informed that Arthur G. Carlson will be out of Town until March 6,
1992. Accordingly, we ask that the above referenced matter be calendared after
such date.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
WCG/cam
Very truly yours,
APPL. NO. 3975 - APPLICATION FOR ARTHUR CARLSON
A NEW FOLDER WAS STARTED FROM THIS POINT IN TIME, which include:
10/11/91
10/11/91
Notice of Disapproval, as amended by Building Inspector
Changes to Appeal Application byAttorney Goggins
appealing Section 100-31A(2) of the Notice of
Disapproval (instead of the wineries section of the
code, which would have required special exception
application and review).
10/22/91
ZBA letter to Mr. Goggins requesting information not
previously received (7-22-91 ZBA letter), and
requesting a parking plan and new appeal form with
changes, signature and notary completed.
,JOHN R. MCNUETY
JAMES SPIESS
WILLIAN C. GOGGINS
McNULTY- SPIE$$
September 26, 1991
Mr. Gerald P. Goehringer
Chah~man Board of Appeals
Town Hall
53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Re:
ApplicaUon of Arthur Carlson
Dear Mr. Goehringer:
In response to your letter dated September 16, 1991, in order to remove any
Jurisdictional defect in the above referenced matter, the "Notice of
Disapproval" dated August 23, 1990 should be amended.
Sometime in February, 1990, Arthur Carlson approached the Town to clear any
apparent or alleged violations to his property. The Town instructed Mr.
Carlson to submit a building permit and in response the Town would deny same
allowing Mr. Carlson to be heard before the Zoning Board of Appeals.
Accordingly, the permit was submitted and denied by virtue of a "Notice of
Disapproval" dated August 23, 1990 citing Article III, Section 100-30 of the
Southold Town Code. and the Zoning Board of Appeals heard the matter on
November 1, 1990.
Sometime in January, 1991, Mr. Carlson hired my fl~m to represent him. I moved
to amend the application, and requested a new hearing. Because Mr. Carlson is
asking for a "use" interpretation, we submitted an application asking for an
interpretation of the use.
The defect in the applicaUon lies in the aforemenUoned "NoUce of
Disapproval" which cites Article III, Section 100-30 which is the "purpose"
section of the code, and consequently has no bearing on a use interpretation.
I believe that someone in the building depa~'bl~ent simply incorrectly
McNULTY- SPIESS
Mr. Gerald P. Goehringer
September 26, 1991
Page 2
transcribed the wrong section, in that although someone cited Section 100-30
he or she meant to cite Article III, Section 100-31A. I believe that the
inadvertent mistake can be corrected Nunc Pro Tunc, and I will pursue same.
Please note that I have not been ignoring this application. In response to
your letter dated July 22, 1991 and to a letter signed by Supervisor Scott
Harris addressed to Mr. Ted Klos and Mr. Andre Moraillon dated July 24, 1991, I
met with Assistant Town Attorney Matthew Kiernan to discuss this matter to
explore possible alternatives. Mr. Kiernan and I then met with Mr. Victor
Lessard to discuss the aforementioned "Notice of Disapproval". At the thne the
Building Department's file on Arthur Carlson was missing so no action was
taken.
If you would like to discuss this matter, I am v~lling to meet with you at your
convenience.
WCG/blk
cc: Matthew G. Kiernan, Esq.
WILLIAM C.~S
WILLIAM C. GOGGINS
McNULTY- SPIESS
September 26, 1991
Mr. Gerald P. Goehringer
Chairman Board of Appeals
Town Hall
53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Re:
Application of Arthur Carlson
Dear Mr. Goehringer:
In response to your letter dated September 16, 1991, in order to remove any
jurisdictional defect in the above referenced matter, the "Notice of
Disapproval" dated August 23, 1990 should be amended.
Sometime in February, 1990, Arthur Carlson approached the Town to clear any
apparent or alleged violations to his property. The Town instructed Mr.
Carlson to submit a building pei-aflt and in response the Town would deny same
allowing Mr. Carlson to be heard before the Zoning Board of Appeals.
Accordingly, the permit was submitted and denied by virtue of a "Notice of
Disapproval" dated August 23, 1990 citing Article III, Section 100-30 of the
Southold Town Code, and the Zoning Board of Appeals heard the matter on
November 1, 1990.
Sometime in January, 1991, Mr. Carlson hired my firm to represent him. I moved
to amend the application, and requested a new hearing. Because Mr. Carlson is
asking for a "use" interpretation, we submitted an application asking for an
interpretation of the use.
The defect in the application lies in the aforementioned "Notice of
Disapproval" which cites Article III, Section 100-30 which is the "purpose"
section of the code, and consequently has no bearing on a use interpretation.
I believe that someone in the building department simply incorrectly
McNULTY- SPIESS
Mr. Gerald P. Goehringer
September 26, 1991
Page 2
transcribed the wrong section, in that although someone cited Section 100-30
he or she meant to cite Article III, Section 100-31A. I believe that the
inadvertent mistake can be corrected Nunc Pro Tunc, and I will pursue same.
Please note that I have not been ignoring this application. In response to
your letter dated July 22, 1991 and to a letter signed by Supervisor Scott
Harris addressed to Mr. Ted Klos and Mr. Andre Moratllon dated July 24. 1991, I
met with Assistant Town Attorney Matthew Kiernan to discuss this matter to
explore possible alternatives. Mr. Kiernan and I then met with Mr. Victor
Lessard to discuss the aforementioned "Notice of Disapproval". At the time the
Building Department's file on Arthur Carlson was missing so no action was
taken.
If you would like to discuss this matter, I am v~lltng to meet with you at your
convenience.
WCG/blk
cc: Matthew G. Kiernan, Esq.
Very/ml~//~,ours, ,
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN O~F SOUTHOLD
SCOTt L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
September 16, 1991
William C. Goggins, Esq.
McNulty & Spiess
633 East Main Street
P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, NY 11901
Re: Application for Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. Goggins:
It has been approximately six weeks since our last letter to you.
In the event we do not hear from you in writing within the next
21 days, we will assume that you are no longer pursuing the
application before this Board, and this application will be
· deadfiled. In any event, a new application with a corrected
Notice of Disapproval together with copies of a'written
application for the issuance of same, and other necessary
documentation, may be filed. (As you know, the application on
file is not in proper form causing a jurisdictional defect.)
Very truly yours,
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
lk
Enclosure (7/22/91 ZBA letter)
Info Copies to: Town Attorney's Office
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD,gF APPEALS
TOWN OFSOUTHOLD
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
July 22, 1991
William C. Goggins, Esq.
McNulty & Spiess
633 East Main Street
P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, NY 11901
Re: Application for Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. Goggins:
In updating file reviews at our July 12, 1991 Regular Meeting,
it is noted that we have not received a response to our May 16,
1991 letter, a copy of which is attached for your convenience.
Upon receiving the amendment to the application in March, it was
confirmed by you that an appeal for interpretation is requested
in lieu of an appeal for variance relief. Since a request for
an interpretation is still considered an appeal, the following
documents are necessary:
(1) a written order, decision or determination (Notice of
Disapprogal) from the Building Inspector outlining the specific
grounds with Article, Section, and Sub-section of the Code,
upon which this interpretation, as amended, is being requested-
(Please note that the Notice of Disapproval dated August 23,
1990 refers to 100-30, which is different from the application
and notices amended by you on March 6, 1991. Please apply a
specific section/sub-section of the Code from a Notice of
Disapproval for consideration. (Should more than one
section/sub-section be appealed from, separate applications will
be required for each request).
(2) a copy of the application or documentation submitted to
the Building Inspector upon which the Notice of Disapproval was
based. (No record of an application to their office was found.)
In the interim, please describe in writing any activities
affected under this appeal for interpretation, as amended (such
as retail on-premises sales, wholesale off-premises, storage,
Page 2 - July 22, 1991
To: William C. Goggins, Esq.
Re: Application for Arthur G.
Carlson
as retail on-premises sales, wholesale off-premises, storage,
preparation of shellfish for shipping, cooking or other types of
food processing, accessory parking area for loading and
unloading, number of accessory parking spaces available for
resident parking and other vehicle parking). If the retail and
wholesale activities are not part of the "maricultural
operations," please confirm. (The hearing on the variance
request in November 1990 indicated retail and wholesale.)
Please submit the above items as soon as possible in order that
we may calendar and advertise specifics of the application, as
amended, for a public hearing.
Very truly yours,
GOEHRINGER
GERARD p.
lk CHAIRMAN
Enclosure
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Gochringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, .ir.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN O~ SOU~O~
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
July 22, 1991
William C. Goggins, Esq.
McNulty & Spiess
633 East Main Street
P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, NY 11901
Re: Application for Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. Goggins:
In updating file reviews at our July 12, 1991 Regular Meeting,
it is noted that we have not received a response to our May 16,
1991 letter, a copy of which is attached for your convenience.
Upon receiving the amendment to the application in March, it was
confirmed by you that an appeal for interpretation is requested
in lieu of an appeal for variance relief. Since a request for
an interpretation is still considered an appeal, the following
documents are necessary:
(1) a written order, decision or determination (Notice of
Disapproval) from the Building Inspector outlining the specific
grounds with Article, Section, and sub-section of the Code,
upon which this interpretation, as amended, is being requested-
(Please note that the Notice of Disapproval dated August 23,
1990 refers to 100-30, which is different from the application
and notices amended by you on March 6, 1991. Please apply a
specific section/sub-section of the Code from a Notice of
Disapproval for consideration. (Should more than one
section/sub-section be appealed from, separate applications will
be required for each request).
(2) a copy of the application or documentation submitted to
the Building Inspector upon which the Notice of Disapproval was
based. (No record of an application to their office was found.)
In the interim, please describe in writing any activities
affected under this appeal for interpretation, as amended (such
as retail on-premises sales, wholesale off-premises, storage,
Page 2 - July 22, 1991
To: William C. Goggins, Esq.
Re: Application for Arthur G.
Carlson
as retail on-premises sales, wh61esale off-premises, storage,
preparation of shellfish for shipping, cooking or other types of
food processing, accessory parking area for loading and
unloading, number of accessory parking spaces available for
resident parking and other vehicle parking). If the retail and
wholesale activities are not part of the "maricultural
operations," please confirm. (The hearing on the variance
request in November 1990 indicated retail and wholesale.)
Please submit the above items as soon as possible in order that
we may calendar and advertise specifics of the application, as
amended, for a public hearing.
Very truly yours,
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER
lk CHAIRMAN
Enclosure
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, ,Ir.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN O~ SOUTHOLD
ScoTr L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
September 16, 1991
William C. Goggins, Esq.
McNulty & Spiess
633 East Main Street
P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, NY 11901
Re: Application for Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. Goggins:
It has been approximately six weeks since our last letter to you.
In the event we do not hear from you in writing within the next
21 days, we will assume that you are no longer pursuing the
application before this Board, and this application will be
deadfiled. In any event, a new application with a corrected
Notice of Disapproval together with copies of a written
application for the issuance of same, and other necessary
documentation, may be filed. (As you know, the application on
file is not in proper form causing a jurisdictional defect.)
Very truly yours,
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
lk
Enclosure (7/22/91 ZBA letter)
Info Copies to: Town Attorney's Office
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goelu'inger, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
May 16, 1991
William C. Goggins, Esq.
McNulty & Spiess
633 East Main Street
P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, NY 11901
Re: Amended Application for Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. Goggins:
In recently reviewing the above file material in order to
calendar same for a new public hearing, it is noted that the
application as amended and noticed has not been based upon a
decision or determination of the building inspector as required
by Article XXVII, Section 100-271, which, for your convenience,
reads:
· ..D. Interpretations: On appeal from an order,
decision, or determination of an administrative
officer, board or agency, to decide any of the
following:
1 determine the meaning of any provision
of this chapter (100) or any condition
or requirement specified or made under
the provisions...
Please provide us with a written order, decision or
determination from the building inspector outlining the grounds
with Article and Sections of the Code, upon which this
interpretation is requested in order that this matter may be
calendared for a public hearing. Thank you.
Very truly yours,
GERARD p. GOEHRINGER
lk CHAIRMAN
FORM NO, 3
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
BUILDING DEPARTMENT
TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE
SOUTHOLD, N.Y.
NOTICE OF DISAPPROVAL
PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that your application dated .~.~.~. .... ¢~ ~ ....... 19 ~ O..
for permit to '~,,)rq-..~iz~,~.... IkP,-t~.~0~. ~.....(..~.~ ~ ............ at
LocationofProperty /..,~...'~...~.--.... t~.~ ~,.el. .~~..~. .......
house No. ' ............... 'S't;e3i .... Ham/et
County Tax Map No. 1000 Section ....~ ~0.eJ ..... Block .... l~. ~- ..... Lot ... J. ~'~ o.,~...
Subdivision ................. Filed Map No. : ............... Lot No ..................
is returned herewith and disapproved on the fol~ow~,g grounds .C~g.'~...~.. ~;[L~,!~'-~
· ~.~. · .' ~&. ~. ~...~.~.~... ~..~,..~. ~...-r,~~, ~
.................................. ......... :::
Building Inspector
RV 1/80
TOWN OF $OUTHOLD, NEW YORK
AMENDED APPLICATION OF
APPEAL FROM DECISION OF BUILDING INSPECTOR APPEAL NO. 3975
TO THE ZON NG BOARD OF APPEALS, TOWN OF SOUTHOLD, N. Y.
l, (We) Ar t.~.u.m...q~.~.~.~ ......................... of ...15.7.5...~we.~..Ro,~cJ .......
Name of Appellant
................ Street and Numbei~/!
Southold .~.~..e..~...~.o..~.J~ ....... HE~REBY APPEAL TO
Municipality State
THE ZON,NG BOARD O~ APPEALS ~ROM THE DEamON UP THE eU~LmNe ~NSPECTO~ ON
APPUCAT~ON FO~ PERMIT NO ..................................... DATED ..... ~.u..~...g~.,.....Z.~..0. .............
WHEREBY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DENIED TO
( )
( )'
Nq~ne of Applicant for permit
of
1575 ~o~er Road', .S..9.~.?.l?,g.~,~..,...~g~.W. York
Street and Number Municipality State
PERMIT TO USE
PERMIT FOR OCCUPANCY
1. LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY ..... 152~..Lomer...~oa~ ...........................................................
Street /Hamlet / Use District on Zoning Map
District 1000 Section 69 Block 5 Lot 13 .~¢
............................................................................. . . ,'. urrent 0~ner Arthur Carlson
Map No. Lot No. Prior Owner Judith Terry
2. PROVISION (S) OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE APPEALED (Indicate the Article Section, Sub-
section and Paragraph of the Zoning Ordinance by number. Do not quote the Ordinance.)
Article III Section 100-31 A ~:... . ~, ~.
3. TYPE OF APPEAL Appeal ~s made herewith (or (please check appropriate box)
( ) A VARIANCE to the Zoning Ordinance or Zoning Map
( ) A VARIANCE due to lack of access (State of New York Town Law Chap. 62 Cons. Laws
Art. 16 Sec. 280A Subsection 3
(X) Interpretation of above zoning ordinance,
4. PREVIOUS APPEAL A previous appeal (has) (has not) been made with respect to this decision
of the Building Inspector or with respect to this property.
Such appeal was ( ) request for a special permit
( ) request for a variance
and was made in Appeal No ...... .3..~7..~. ................. Dated ...~lJgl,l,,s.i~..,~.6.,..,~..9.~.0. ................. ..[ ...........
REASON FOR APPEAL
( ) A Variance to Section 280A Subsection 3
( ) A Variance ~o the Zoning Ordinance
(X) This constitutes an amended application to Appeal number 3975.
Form ZBI
(Continue on other side)
REASON FOR APPEAL
Continued
1. STRICT APPLICATION OF THE ORDINANCE would produce procticoldifficultiesorunneces-
sory HARDSHIPbecouse strict enforcement of the Southold Town Code
would effectively put us out of business and indirectly adversely
affect many local Southold Town Fisherman. The Southold Town Code
does not adequitly protect the fisherman of our Town. Accordingly,
we ask that the Code treat residents engaged in the aquacultural
business and the agricultural business equally.
We are engaged in the business of packaging and distribution of
locally produced aquatic products;just as farmers are engaged in
the business of packaging and distribution of vegetables, and . ....
as wineries are engaged in the business of packaging a~d distribution
of wine.
2~ - -T-~ 4~s~a ~-c~ eat ~d. Ls-U b~K~tE, o~L Ls-not .~Aaced -by. roll_ pmpe~tle~..cLike. -in -tho -immedk~te
v~.i ed ~',/- el- ~r~. le oep er4~/- ee~L -i~ ~d~i s. edse- elis~t- .~eecmlse-
~.- -~e- Ye~er,~e -would- ebser~e -t:he -spkgt -e~-the- O,~J~r,.~;e -ond - WOOL-D- -NOT- -C.~-AN G F. -3:1'4 g -
STATE OF NEW YORK
)
COUNTY OF )
Signature
Sworn to this .......... .]:...9..C..~. ........................... day of....~.a..~3.~...a.~.y ................................... 19 91
BOARD OF APPEALS, TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
In the Matter oF the Petition of :
Arthur Carlson :
to the Board of Appeals of the Town of $outhold :
TO:
Theodore Klos
Ackerly Pond Lane
Southold, New York
11971
NOTICE
TO
ADJACENT
PROPERTY OWNER
YOU ARE HEREBY GIVEN NOTICE:
1. That ii is the intention of lhe undersigned to petition the Board of Appeals of the Town of $outhold
to requesta (Variance) (Special Exception) (Special Permit) (Other) [ci£cle choice]
Interpretation )-
2. That the property wi~ich is the subject of the Petition is located adjacent to your property and is des-
cribed as follows: SCTM# 1000-69-5-13.2; 1575 Lower Road Southold, New York
11971 ~
3. Thatlhepropert¥ whichisthesubjectofsuchPetitionislocatedinthefollowingzoningdistrict:
Article III (A~ricultural-Conservation (A-C) District~ Section 100-30
through 100-33
4 ]hdlh~o~hPetilion, lheondersignedwillrequestthefollowingrelief: as interpretation
_~.~ng that aquacultural ~se falls within the purview of agricultural
use,
$. That the provisions of the ~outhold Town Zoning Code applicable to the relief sought by the under-
signed are Article III Sect_ion 100-3lA and 100-~1 B (13)
[ ] Section 280-R, New York Town Law for approva] of access over rtght(s)-of-way.
b. That within five da~.s from the date hereof, a written Petition requesting the relief specified above will
be filed in the Southold Town Clerk's Office at Main Road Southold, New York and you ma}' then and there
examine the same during regular office hours. (51.6) ?~5-1809.
7. That before the relief sough: may be granted, a public hearing must be held on the matter by the
Board of Appeals; that a notice of such hearing must be published at least five days prior to the date of such
hearing in the Suffolk Times and in the Long Island Traveler-Mattituck Watchman, newspapers published in the
Town of Southold and designated for the publication of such notices; that you or your representative have the
right to appear and be heard at such hearing.
Dated:
January 19th, 1991.
Petitioner Kr thur Carlson ~'
Owners 'Names: c/o McNulty-Spiess
Post Office Address
633 East Main Street. P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, New York 11901
Tel. No. (516) 727-8200
[Copy of sketch or plan showing
purposes.]
proposal
to be
attoc e~e~~en:o6ce
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN O~ SOUTHOLD
SCOTr L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
July 22, 1991
William C. Goggins, Esq.
McNulty & Spiess
633 East Main Street
P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, NY 11901
Re: Application for Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. Goggins:
In updating file reviews at our July 12, 1991 Regular Meeting,
it is noted that we have not received a response to our May 16,
1991 letter, a copy of which is attached for your convenience.
Upon receivingthe amendment to the application in March, it was
confirmed by you that an appeal for interpretation is requested
in lieu of an appeal for variance relief. Since a request for
an interpretation is still considered an appeal, the following
documents are necessary:
(1) a written order, decision or determination (Notice of
Disapproval) from the Building Inspector outlining the specific
grounds with Article, Section, and Sub-section of the Code,
upon which this interpretation, as amended, is bein~ requested-
(Please note that the Notice of Disapproval dated August 23,
1990 refers to 100-30, which is different from the application
and notices amended by you on March 6, 1991. Please apply a
specific section/sub-section of the Code from a Notice of
Disapproval for consideration. (Should more than one
section/sub-section be appealed from, separate applications will
be required for each request).
(2) a copy of the application or documentation submitted to
the Building Inspector upon which the Notice of Disapproval was
based. (No record of an application to their office was found.)
In the interim, please describe in writing any activities
affected under this appeal for interpretation, as amended (such
as retail on-premises sales, wholesale off-premises, storage,
Page 2 - July 22, 1991
To: William C. Goggins, Esq.
Re: Application for Arthur G.
Carlson
as retail on-premises sales, whplesale off-premises, storage,
preparation of shellfish for shipping, cooking or other types of
food processing, accessory parking area for loading and
unloading, number of accessory parking spaces available for
resident parking and other vehicle parking). If the retail and
wholesale activities are not part of the "maricul{ural
operations," please confirm. (The hearing on the variance
request in November 1990 indicated retail and wholesale.)
Please submit the above items as soon as possible in order that
we may calendar and advertise specifics of the application, as
amended, for a public hearing.
Very truly yours,
GERARD P. GOE~IRINGER
lk CHAIRMAN
Enclosure
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio. Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Te|ephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
May 16, 1991
William C. Goggins, Esq.
McNulty & Spiess
633 East Main Street
P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, NY 11901
Re: Amended Application for Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. Goggins:
In recently reviewing the above file material in order to
calendar same for a new public hearing, it is noted that the
application as amended and noticed has not been based upon a
decision or determination of the building inspector as required
by Article XXVII, Section 100-271, which, for your convenience,
reads:
...D. Interpretations: On appeal from an order,
decision, or determination of an administrative
officer, board or agency, to decide any of the
following:
1) determine the meaning of any provision
of this chapter (100) or any condition
or requirement specified or made under
the provisions...
Please provide us with a written order, decision or
determination from the building inspector outlining the grounds
with Article and Sections of the Code, upon which this
interpretation is requested in order that this matter may be
calendared for a public hearing. Thank you.
Very truly yours,
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER
lk CHAIRMAN
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Telephgne (516) 765-1809
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BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTr L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
January 16, 1991
William Goggins, Esq.
McNulty & Spiess
633 East Main Street
P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, NY 11901
Re: Application for Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. Goggins:
As per your recent telephone communications, please find
enclosed a blank application form and neighbor notice form which
are necessary to be completed and returned to our office for the
amendment(s) proposed by you in the above pending matter.
Also enclosed are copies of the November 1, 1990 hearing
transcript and excerpt from the November 29, 1990 meeting (at
which no hearing was held). We ask that you forward a check in
the amount of $9.25 payable to the Southold Town Clerk in
payment thereof.
Upon receipt of the amended forms, it is expected that the Board
will calendar same for a public hearing, with re-publication in
the official newspapers. It is my understanding that you would
prefer this matter be calendared for a March hearing.
Very truly yours,
Linda Kowalski
Enclosures
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Telephgne (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall. 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
January 16, 1991
William Goggins, Esq.
McNulty & Spiess
633 East Main Street
P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, NY 11901
Re: Application for Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. Goggins:
As per your recent telephone communications, please find
enclosed a blank application form and neighbor notice form which
are necessary to be completed and returned to our office for the
amendment(s) proposed by you in the above pending matter.
Also enclosed are copies of the November 1, 1990 hearing
transcript and excerpt from the November 29, 1990 meeting (at
which no hearing was held). We ask that you forward a check in
the amount of $9.25 payable to the Southold Town Clerk in
payment thereof.
Upon receipt of the amended forms, it is expected that the Board
will calendar same for a public hearing, with re-publication in
the official newspapers. It is my understanding that you would
prefer this matter be calendared for a March hearing.
Very truly yours,
Linda Kowalski
Enclosures
November 29, 1990
Southold Town
Zoning Board of Appeals
Dear Board Members:
I respectfully request a recess on the hearing of Arthur G. Carlson
Application No: 3975 Interpretation and Variance to the Zoning
Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-30 so I can consult with my
attorney.
Thank you,
Arthur, ~G. ~r. lson
John M. Bredemeyer, IlL Presidem
Henry P. Smith, Vice President
Albert J. Krupski, Jr.
John L. Bednoski, Jr.
John B. Tuthill
Telephone (516) 765-1892
BOARD OF TOWN TRUSTEES
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
-/~i.~ COTI'L. HARRIS
j Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
November 23, 1990
FROM:
RE:
Scott L. Harris, Supervisor,~
John M. Bredemeyer, II~ident
Trustee input / Commerd~ial zoning -- Master Plan
At our November 15, 1990 work session the Board of Trustees had
the opportunity to reflect on your recent letter requesting
Trustee input into the issue of commercial zoning and the Master
Plan.
The Trustees are of the consensus that mariculture and
aquaculture operations should be given similar status to
agriculture in Southold Town.
Specifically, the culture of beneficial aquatic and marine
organisms in upland areas should be afforded similar code
protections as agriculture currently enjoys.
With respect to the wale or distribution of any locally produced
marine or aquatic products, the Trustees believe that
historically-run operations which are completely enclosed in a
building should be grandfathered and permitted to continue in
all zoning districts.
With respect to new.operations for the sale and distribution of
marine or aquatic products, the Trustees believe that the tenor
of the zoning code should be liberal towards their existence
with the requirement that operations be covered, have proper
parking, and abate nuisances promptly.
cc:
Town Board
Town Attorney
Zoning Committee
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio. Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
May 16, 1991
William C. Goggins, Esq.
McNulty & Spiess
633 East Main Street
P.O. Box 757
Riverhead, NY 11901
Re: Amended Application for Arthur G. Carlson
Dear Mr. Goggins:
In recently reviewing the above file material in order to
calendar same for a new public hearing, it is noted that the
application as amended and noticed has not been based upon a
decision or determination of the building inspector as required
by Article XXVII, Section 100-271, which, for your convenience,
reads:
...D. Interpretations: On appeal from an order,
decision, or determination of an administrative
officer, board or agency, to decide any of the
following:
1) determine the meaning of any provision
of this chapter (100) or any condition
or requirement specified or made under
the provisions...
Please provide us with a written order, decision or
determination from the building inspector outlining the grounds
with Article and Sections of the Code, upon which this
interpretation is requested in order that this matter may be
calendared for a public hearing. Thank you.
lk
Very truly yours,
GERARD p. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Ooehfinger, Chairman
Charles (3rigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
SE~.RA UNLISTED ACTION DECLARATION
Appeal No. 3975Amen~ject Name: Arthur Car]son
county Tax Map No. 1000- 69- 5- 13
Location of Project: 1575 L0werR0ad, S0uth0]d, NY
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
April 10, 1991
Relief Requested/Jurisdiction Before .This Board in this Project:
AP@lication as amended for Interpretation of Wineries Section of
the Code
This Notice is issued pursuant to Part 617 of the implementing
regulations pertaining to Article 8 of the N.Y.S. Environmental Quality
Review Act of the Environmental Conservation Law and Local Law #44-4 of
the Town of Southold.
An Environmental Assessment (Short) Form has been submitted with the
subject application indicating that no significant adverse environmental
effects are likely to occur should be project be implemented as planned,
and:
{ } this Board wishes to assume Lead Agency status and urges
coordinated written comments by your agency to be submitted with the next
20 days.
{)t_} this Board has taken jurisdiction as Lead Agency, has deemed
thiZ Board of Appeals application to be an Unlisted SEQRAAction, and has
declared a Negative Declaration.,for the following reasons:
a. An Environmental Assessment has been submitted and evaluated, and/or
b. An inspection of the property has been made, or
c. Sufficient information has been furnished in the record to evaluate
any possible adverse affect of this project as filed, and/or
d. This application does not directly relate to new construction or
on-site improvements.
{ } this Board refers lead agency status to your agency since the~
Board of Appeals does not feel its scope of jurisdiction is as broad as
the Planning Board concerning site changes and elements under the site
plan reviews.' The area of jurisdiction by the Board of Appeals is not
directly related to site improvements or new buildings. (However, if you
do not wish to assume lead agency status within 15 days of this letter, we
will assume you have waived same, and we will be required to proceed as
Lead Agency.~
For further info~mation, please contact the Office of the Board of
Appeals, Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, NY 11971 at (516)' 765-1809.
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Ir.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
James Dinizio, Jr.
Robert A. Villa
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
TO:
FROM:
DATE:
RE:
Town Clerk's Office
Zoning Board of Appeals
March 19, 1991
Arthur G. Carlson - Appl. No. 3975
Please attach this amended application of Arthur G. Carlson to
the original appeal.
,JOHN R. MCNULTY
,JAMES SPIESS
WILLIAM C. GOGGIN$
Board of Appeals
Town of Southold
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
McNULTY- SPI~'SS
ATTORNE;Y$ & COU.SE;L. ORS AT [,.AW
~33 E;A~BT MAiN STR[E;T
March 5, 1991
Re: Amended Application of Arthur G. Carlson
Gentlemen:
In connection with the above referenced matter, please find enclosed the
amended application seeking an interpretation of Article 3 Sections 100-31A and
100-31B (13) of the Southold Town Code. Also enclosed please find Notice of
the Petition to all the adjacent property owners, together with affidavits of
service.
If you find the application is in order, please calendar this matter for a
Public hearing in March or the next available hearing thereafter.
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact the undersigned.
Very truly yours,
WILLIAM C. GOGGINS
WOG/cam
Enclosures
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK
APPEAL FROM DECISION OF BUILDING INSPECTOR
APPEAL NO. 3 9 7 5
TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, TOWN OF
SOUTHOLD, N.Y. I
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Municipality State
THE ZONING BOARD OF APpEALs FROM THE DECISION OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR ON
APPLICATION FOR PERMIT NO ..................................... DATED ..... .A.~.u...s.~....2..~..,.....1.~.?..O. .............
WHEREBY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DENIED TO
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Nclene of Applicant for permit
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Street and Number Municipality State
PERMIT TO USE
PERMIT FOR OCCUPANCY
1. LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY ..... 152.~..Lomer...]Laax~. ...........................................................
Street /Hamlet Use District on Zoning Map
District 1000 Section 69 Block 5 Lot 13..~ ten'
................................................................................. ur t Owner Arthur Carlson
Map No. Lot No. Prior Owner Judith Terry
2. PROVISION (S) OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE APPEALED (Indicate the Article Section, Sub-
section and Paragraph of the Zoning Ordinance by number. Do not quote the Ordinance.)
Article III Section 100-31 A and 100-31 B (13~
3. TYPE OF APPEAL Appeal is made herewith for (please check appropriate box)
( ) A VARIANCE to the Zoning Ordinance or Zoning Map ~
( ) A VARIANCE due to lock of access (State of New York Town Law Chap. 62 Cons. Laws
Art. 16 Sec. 280A Subsection 3
(X) Interpretation of above zoning ordina~¢~,
4. PREVIOUS APPEAL A previous appeal (has) (has not) been mode with respect to this decision
of the Building Inspector or with respect to this property.
Such appeal was ( ) request for a special permit
( ) request for a variance
and was made in Appea! No ...... .3..~...~. ................. Dated ...~g~.~..~§.,..,~.9.9..0. ................. ..i ...........
REASON FOR APPEAL
( ) A Variance to Section 280A Subsection 3
( ) A Variance to the Zoning Ordinance
(X) This constitutes an amended application to Appeal number
3975.
Form ZBI
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REASON FOR APPEAL Continued
1. STRICT APPLICATION OF THE ORDINANCE would pr~uce pmcticoldifficultJesorunneces-
sory HARD~HIPbecau~ strict enforcement of the Southold Town Code
would effectively put us out of business and indirectly adversely
affect many local Southold Town Fisherman. The Southold Town Code
dpes not adequitly protect the fisherman of our Town. Accordingly,
we ask that the ~ode treat residents engaged in the aquacultural
business and the agricultural business equally.
We are engaged in the business of packaging and distribution of
locally produced aquatic products;just as farmers are engaged in
the business of packaging and distribution of vegetables, and
as wineries are engaged in the business of packaging and distribution
of wine.
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Signature
A~THUR CARLSON
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Notary Public
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TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
BUILDING DEPARTMENT
TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE
SOUTHOLD, N.Y.
NOTICE OF DISAPPROVAL
PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that your application dated .~-4A~.~.~/ .... c=~ ~ ...... ,19 .~. O..
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County Tax Map No. I000 Section ....(~{a.~ ..... Block .... ~.~ ..... Lot ...
Subdivision ................. Filed Map No ................. Lot No ..................
is returned herewith and disapproved on the following grounds .~A.'~...21~..
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TOMN OF 8OUTHOLD ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
COUNTY OF 80FFOLK : *STATH OF ~(K# YORK
ZONIHO BOARD OF APPEALS HEARINO :
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Town Hal l
53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Bouthold, Hew York 11971
November 1, 1990
7:30 P.M.
BKFORN :
BOARD NKNBERS:
GLqtARD P. OOKHRINOER,
Chairman.
'CHARLNS ORIGONIS,
SERGE DOYEH, JR.
JOSNPH H. SA~ICKI
JAHE8 DINIZIO, JR.
JR.
- Absent
ALSO PI~BKNT:
LINDA KOWALSKI, Board Secretary
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decision until later.
MR. ORIGONIS:
THE CHAIRMAN:
MR. GRI~ONIS:
MR. DOYEN: Aye.
MR. DINIZIO: Aye.
THE CHAIRMAN:
(Time noted:
THE CHAIRMAN:
Appeal Number 3975,
Carlson. The legal
second.
All
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in favor?
Thank you very much.
8:56 p.m.)
The next appeal is a
in behalf of Arthur ~.
notice reads as follows:
(Legal notice read off record.)
THE CHAIRMAN: I have a copy of what
appears to be a minor subdivision at one
time, in which includes this particular lot,
which is ~0t Number $ ~f that minor
subdivision, which has a rather large two-
story frame home on the premises at the time
and at least two barns, one of which is on
the westerly line and one on the northerly
line -- property line of the premises. The
accesses for the premises are on Lower Road
and Ackerly Pond Lane, and I have a copy of
the Suffolk County Tax Map indicating this
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and surrounding properties in the area.
Hould you like to be heard, Hr.
Carlson, or are you represented by counsel?
NR. CARLSON: &rthur Carlson, the
applicant. This is a family business. It
has been in existence for over 25 years and
-- both workinq on the water as baymen and
continued on to where we were buyin~
products and outbuying from other fishermen
-- local Southold Town fishermen --
lobstermen, scallopers.
He created a facility that didn't
exist before in town. The lobstermen that
catch for us, there is no other facility in
town that could handle their products. They
have to ~ out of to~ to sell them, which
would he money going out of town. He take
it out of town and sell it, and bring the
money back into town. The conchs, there was
no market for them until we created a market
for them. They had shops for these. There
are scallop shops, all licensed and
inspected, really by the DEC and the
Department of Agriculture.
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Everything is totally cleaned.and
disinfected every working day. There are no
odors. People remark how clean we keep the
place. They wonder how we can do it and we
are -- great financial hardship on myself
and my son's family and many, many baymen if
this was denied. Thank you.
?HE CH&IRMAN: Before you leave me or
leave us, we of course have been up and
toured your facility and you were kind
enough to have Hr. Dinizio come up at the
time when you were processing conchs --
actually steant~ng them at that time. What
is the earliest possible time that someone
may deliver fish to you?
H~.' CARLSON: ~e are bordered by
Lower Road on the front, with the cemetery
across the street, a farm on the west side,
north side is my son's property, and on the
east side there are three gardens that back
up and touch our fence which is on the
furthest part of my property -- the east
-- a few hundred feet.
THE CHAIRNAN: What would be the
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earliest possible time that
deliver fish to you,
time?
MR. CARLSON:
someone may
and the latest
Normally they come
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possible
What do you mean?
Either the lobsters,
We put them in our
truck and deliver them out of town.
THE CHAIRMAN: So there are no
tractor-trailers coming to your site?
MR. CARLSON: You couldn't get a
tractor-trailer in my site.
THE CHAIRMAN: The largest truck used
those up?
MR. CARLSON:
THE CHAIRMAN:
conchs or whatever.
MR. CARLSON~
during the afternoon or early evening.
THE CHAII~MAN: What would be the
latest time they come at night, past eight
o'clock?
MR. CARLSON: Six or seven o'clock.
We normally close at six.
THE CHAIRMAN: When you process the
fish, do you physically take those fish to
the market to sell them or does someone pick
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would be the truck we see there that ,has a
box on it, or s pickup truck?
HR. CARLSON: That's it.
THE CHAIRHAN: Does that particular
truck have a freezer on it or a unit on it?
MR. CARLSON: No. They are all
insulated and we use ice that we make there.
THE CHAIRMAN: So then -- there is no
noise emanating from a truck that would be
stored on the site with a refrigeration unit
on --
HR. CARLSON: Definitely not.
THE CRAIRHAN: There is one other
question. How old is the largest barn which
sits to the west side of the property?
HR. CARLSON: It dates back to the
original part of the house.
THE CHAIRMAN: You merely added on to
the barn?
HR. CARLSON: A couple of feet a few
years ago, yes.
THE CHAIRHAN: I don't think I have
any further questions at this time, Mr.
Carlson, but we will see what develops
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Is there anybody else that would like
to speak in favor of the application?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Claude Carlson,
Arthur's son and I am in the fanttly
business. We have lived there our whole
lives in the fishing business, working on
the water and dealing with our relatives and
some friends in town here. And I am just
trying to go over what he might have missed
that I would like you to know about.
That he did mention we have gone
through the process over the years as his
business has grown, that we have complied
with all regulations, to get all permits
that are 'required when we added our barn
onto -- in the beginning we got all DEC
permits or agricultural permits. So we
followed all procedures as we thought they
were -- we were supposed to properly.
We feel -- I personally feel that we
are like farmers of the water. We work on
the bays and we bring stuff in, and we need
a place to store it in our coolers till we
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move it back out of town. We can't keep
lobsters alive without keeping them
somewhere in the cooler, for instance, and
that we are not running any type of retail
business. Ail we are trying to do is handle
all of our products that we catch ourselves,
in our family -- family members and some of
the ones that we deal with -- some of them
going as far back as approximately 20 years
that have caught lobsters for us. We have
only been at that location 18 or 19 years,
but, you know, we have been in the same kind
of business for our whole lives in this
town.
THE CHAIRMAN: You live on Lot Number
2, which ~s a ranch house that faces Ackerly
Pond?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Right. So the
barns are in his backyard and they are also
in my backyard.
THE CHAIRMAN: When somebody delivers
something to you, do they use the Ackerly
Pond access or the Lower Road access?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: They use both.
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#e haven't had any problem as far as,.I know.
The closest neighbor to us on my side has
been very good friends to us and we have no
complaints.
THE CHAIRMAN: For the record -- so
let me Just mention Esr the record that both
accesses are either of sand or they are
unpaved.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Gravel.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anything else
you would like to say?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: No. That's
about it. I just wanted you to realize what
effect this would have on both our families.
THE CHAIRMAN: Is this the sole
support of your income, tl~s business?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Yes.
THE CHAIRMAN: And your father?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Yes, both our
families and our kids £n college. This is
our family business we built together and it
Just has fallen into place over the years.
THE CHAIRMAN: How many people would
you say you are in contact with that -- or
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that avail themselves of your business?
J4R. CLAUDE CARLSON: Probably 50 or
60 local people in town, but it is -- every
year it varies. For instance, some years we
handle bait mussels. People catch bait
mussels. They bring them to us. He buy
them and store them. I also have mussels,
the different years. The last few years
have been very difficult because we haven't
had any mussels, any bait mussels because of
the brown tide. Striped bass has been taken
away -- just given back to us this year on a
limited basis.
We have had hard times over the last
few years trying to keep things together in
this business, to begin with. But to answer
your question more fully, there are about 50
or 60 people but over a given year msybe 30
or 40 because we have ten lobster boats that
bring lobsters to us. This year, for
instance, we had a dozen scallop boats. The
other years we had as msny as 20 people
scalloping and selling us their products.
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eight or ten boats that catch conchs ~or us
in town.
I would like to mention one other
thing, talking about processing -- is that
originally, we created a market for conchs.
You are not allowed to throw them back
overboard. They are shellfish predators.
They are not supposed to be thrown
overboard. We looked for the market and
created the market for them originally by
busting them out of the shell. We found by
steaming them for a short time we could take
them out of the shell without going through
the work of busting them. We only pack
shellfish. Lobsters, scallops, and conchs
are our ~a~ic~busines~. We don't handle
fish, except for what fishing I do.
THE CHAIRMAN: How would you compare
your operation to a farmer?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: I would say we
are very similar to a farmer in one aspect
of what we do on our own, but it would be
like having neighbors or other farmers or
relatives that we handle packing their stuff
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to take out of town for sale.
THE CHAIRMAN: Do you change the
physical characteristic of the products you
use, that you have?
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MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: No.
THE CHAIRMAN: Do you slice the
conchs to a point they are sold en masse, in
one piece?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: No. We don't
have any kind of final processing type of
operation. Ail we are trying to do is
market a product in the bulk form.
THE CHAIRMAN: So the greateet degree
of processing that you would do would be to
extract the eye of the scallop out of its
shell?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Exactly, extract
the conch out of the shell.
THE CHAIRMAN: You wouldn't be
extracting lobster meat out of the lobster,
would you?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: No. We don't
want to deal with lobster meat. We just
deal with live lobsters.
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much, Mr. Carlson.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON
Wa thank you very
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THE CHAIRMAN: Is there anybody else
that would like to speak in favor of this
application?
M~MBER OF THE AUDIENCE: Yea.
THE CHAIRMAN: State your name for
the record, please.
MR. DeMAULA: My name is Anthony
DeMaula. I am one of the original fishermen
that started with Mr. Carlson, when Claude
was still in school playing baseball. Sandy
and I have done business for 25 years at
other locations and at this one here. I
supplied ~'im ~ith con~hs. I supplied him
with lobster mainly, and occasionally fish
when he had special orders.
The fishing industry, as you all well
know, is in kind of a low ebb in our end of
the community here. Mr. Carlson, in his
Business, is an absolutely vital part of
this community, as far as fishermen are
concerned. The competitiveness of several
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buyers -- we have George Braun.
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other small markets in Oreenport that do buy
the products, but the amount of product that
is handled by Hr. Carlson is relatively too
vast for the local market. Oeorge Braun
would probably be the closest thing that
could handle it, but he has h~s own fishing
boats -- gentlemen that deal with him, and
if you took the people that deal with Hr.
Carlson and kind of turned those loose on
the market here, it would be detrimental not
only to the gentlemen doing business with
these other people because it would cause a
glut in the market and repress our prices.
We all know that this business ia a
supply and de and business. It would cause
-- if we had to, we would have to transport.
We would have to lose fishing time by
transporting our product down the Island, to
Connecticut, or other places like that, and
try to develop our own market which is very
difficult when you are a fisherman. You are
either a fisherman or a wholesaler and
dealer like Hr. Carlson. So he has provided
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not only my family, but many families.with a
guaranteed safe market of fish -- a fair
safe market for over 25 years.
For this type of a -- Mr. Chairsmn,
for this type of a situation to come up,
where he has been a long-standing business
in this area, is to me a little bit
ludicrous. It is here and we are addressing
it as such. I honestly believe as far as
the hardship goes, it would be of a
tremendous hardship to the men, especially
the lobster business at this particular
time. Mr. Carlson and his son move a
tremendous amount of lobsters provided by
the 10 -- 12 -- 14 boats depending on the
time of year and without his business there
to help us move our products, we all would
be -- we would have some very difficult
times. We either have to lose fishing time
and go peddle our products or we would have
to hire somebody to drive our truck and to
create our own markets. We just couldn't do
that. Fishing or farming and tourism is the
mainstay of Southold Town, and this man has
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helped the fishing end of it and to create a
good market.
I thank you very much.
THE CH&IRMAN: Thank you, sir.
Is there anybody else that would like
to speak in favor of the application?
MR. WENCZEL: Peter #enczel. I am a
commercial fisherman and I also am president
of the Southold Town Baymen's Association.
I would just like to speak for both
myself and the baymen in the Town of
Southold, generally, and just say that Hr.
Carlson's business is very important for all
the fishermen in Southold. I personally
have relied on it for 13 years now, and
there are' a lot of people ~ho are in the
same situation.
The conch processing is very
important. It is not something that you can
do yourself. You have to have a facility
set up and get all the permits and all that,
and it is just -- it is essential for
anybody that does that kind of fishing.
The bay scallop processing is
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It used to
be a kitchen industry. Everybody used to
shuck at home. Now, because of all the DEC
regulations and the Department of Health
regulations, it is almost prohibitive cost-
wise to set up a shop of our own if you do
it right.
So his operation is very important to
all of us, and I just want to say I think
the variance should be granted.
THE CEAIl~f~: Thank you very much,
Is there anybody else that would like
to speak?
LATSON: Steve Latson. I am
chairman of the Water Revitalization
~ssociation. ~nd obviously, from what has
been said, that Sandy's business is very
important for the fishermen in this town.
~nd next year when you have the scallops
coming back, it is going to be extremely so.
I think he has the only legal opening shop
left in the whole town.
secretary' to ~he Baymen's l%ssociation, also
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From the standpoint of Waterfront
Revitalization, I think it is really
important to start looking at the zonzng
code in Southold Town. Currently, I land my
scallops in the Town creek at my mother's
dock. That is actually illegal. That is
illegal. We have got a lot of code
problems. I think starting with the
variance here is a good place to start. We
work on it with the Waterfront Revitaliza-
tion, working on the problem that the code
doesn't address fishing as Being really an
existing industry at this point, But you do
hear about it when the politicians start
talking.
I !thin~ that i~ about all I have to
say. I think it is really important that
his variance be granted, and I think also it
is really important that you guys get
together with the people and involved with
the committee and start altering the codes
to start helping the fishermen Because we
keep hearing about the fishermen and how
important he is; and he is, but really,
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basically, we are getting shut out Of the
town. Thank you.
THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you.
Ia there anybody that would like to
speak against the application?
Mr. Flynn?
MR. FLYNN: I am F. M. Flynn,
resident of the Town of Southold.
The grievous nature and scope of this
application is such that I would like to
address it in detail. My purpose is to
create a record for the future should such
be required.
THE CHAIRMAN: How long do you think
this will take you, Mr. Flynn?
MR. FLYNN: I would say upwards from
five to ten minutes,
Here, again, we are confronted with
yet another transparent attempt to rezone
via variances. What is asked for here can
only be accomplished by means of a rezoning.
May I remind you that Chapter 100 of
the Town Code Zoning states, as one of its
purposes, "The gradual elimination of non-
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conforming uses." This is hardly consistent
with their creation, proliferation,
expansion or ultimate approval by this
Board.
Now there is a basic question here.
The legal notice said we are involved with
Lot 13.2. I hear reference now also to Lot
13.4 which is not part of the legal notice.
THE CHAIRMAN: It.is not part of this
application.
MR. FLYNN: Then it is not part of
the legal notice which brought me in here.
THE CHAIRMAN: Lot 13.2 is the only
one that has this particular operation on
it. His son lives on 13.4. I assume that
is the o~ you are raising. His son has a
one-family dwelling on that piece.
MR. FLYNN: It appears to me that
part of the existing operation is on Lot
13.4.
THE CHAIRMAN: No.
MR. FLYNN: At any rate, that's not
really a problem enrolled here. The subject
lot, Lot Number 13.2, is one acre in area in
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an. A-C or 2-acre district.
It is by .Town
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Code definition a nonconforming lot.
With respect to use, the applicant
seeks a veritable melange of uses classified
by him as maricultural, to wit:
1) Delivery and storage of seafood.
2) Packaging
3) Freezing and/or preparation of
raw or cooked seafood processing.
4) Shipping
5) Sales for off-premises
consumption.
Eone of these uses is permitted in an
A-C District.
Mariculture is a permitted use in
MI1 Districts only, with a two-acre minimum
lot size. Specifically, fish processing is
permitted only as a Special Exception, as
are fish markets.
Each such use requires a plot of two
acres. There is also a question of the
other uses cited as requiring industrial or
business zoning with their attendant plot
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In short, the applicant proposes to
locate a long list of non-conforming uses,
each with its individual plot size
requirements, on a one-acre parcel.
It should be noted that the Town Code
specifically prohibits uses ent/tting noxious
odors in all districts.
With respect to the above, there is a
possibility, even perhaps the probability,
that were these variances granted, the
subject property would be operated in
conjunction with Lot 13.4 in the same block.
Lot 15.4 is also a nonconforn~ng lot
on which a reputably nonconEorming and,
possibly illegal, use is conducted.
Neighbors' already complain about noxious
odors emanating trom this lot.
I might add that Lot 13.2 abuts at
least four residences.
What is sought here are multiple
rezonings far beyond the strict letter ot
the regulations and the spirit of the Zoning
Chapter of the Town Code.
The Spirit of the chapter is clearly
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expressed by the Town Board's limiting these
uses to MI1 Districts. The further intent
or spirit, is further expressed in Section
100-120 of the Town Code which states that
HII use is intended to provide: "a
waterfront location for a wide range of
water-dependent and water-related uses which
require or benefit from direct access to or
location in marine or tidal waters a~
which, in general, are located on major
waterways, open bayfronts or the Long Island
Sotuld."
So much Eot HII uses.
By law, in seeking a variance, the
burden of proof is on the applicant.
He must submit, for an area variance,
"dollars and cents" proof that his property
is virtually valueless as zoned. This is-
hardly the case in view of the permitted
residential use and the abutting residential
use.
To grant an area variance, the Board
is enjoined by the courts to consider:
1) How substantial the variance is
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relative to the requirement.
2) Whether substantial change will
be produced in the character oE the
neighborhood.
3) Whether the difficulty can be
obviated by some method feasible for the
applicant to pursue other than a variance.
4) Whether, in view of the matter in
which the difficulty arose, the interest of
justice will be served by allowing the
variance.
It is significant that, throughout,
variance is used in the singular. It is
obvious that the courts did not contemplate
a series of variances, the scope of which is
tantamount' to'rezonin~s.
I submit that the only difficulty
here arises from the outrageous demands of
the applicant and that such "difficulty" can
be obviated by utilizing the property for a
permitted use.
The substantiality of the variances
sought is obvious in view of their variety,
intensity and obnoxious nature, as well as
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the nonconforming size of the property.
The change in the character of the
neighborhood which the proposed changes
would bring about, should be apparent to all
but the most prejudiced.
Justice involves justice to all
including the neighbors rights to the "quiet
enjoyment" of their properties incorporated
in their "Bundle of Rights" and whose
properties would be devalued for the
applicant's profit. These variances would
effectively constitute spot zoning.
Two of the principal uses sought
require Special Exception.
With respect to Special Exceptions,
the Town 'Code states (in part) that the ZB&
must find and detern~ne:
That the proposed use will not
prevent the orderly and reasonable use of
adjacent propertie~ or of properties in
adjacent use districts.
That the safety, the health, the
welfare, the comfort, the convenience or the
order of the town will not be adversely
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affected by the proposed use and its .
location.
That the use will be in harmony with
and promote the general purposes and intent
of this chapter. (Chapter 100 - Zoning)
That the use will be compatible with
its surroundings and with the character of
the neighborhood and of the community in
general particularly with regard to
visibility, scale and overall appearance.
Section 100-264 of the Town Code
recites matters to be considered by this
Board in granting Special Exceptions. It is
too lengthy to quote here verbatim, but !
commend its study to anyone interested in
the outcome of this p~oceeding. In general,
factors to be considered are: the character
of the district~ the conservation of
property values~ effects of traffic~ the
availability of water and facilities for the
treatment of sewage and other effluents~ the
question of the emission of obnoxious gases,
odors, etcetera; whether the plot sise is
sufficient and appropriate for the ~ses;
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whether the proposed site is particu~,arly
suitable for the uses; whether there is risk
of pollution of ground or surface waters,
etcetera.
Here again, these considerations
envisage only a single use and due to the
maniEold variance any adverse effects are
obviously intensified.
In conclusion, there is absolutely no
justifiable basis on which to grant these
variances and, in the interest of justice
and to prevent further waste of the
taxpayer's money, I call for a summary
dismissal of this application.
If it belongs anyway, it belongs as a
change of zone application before the Town
Board. Thank you.
MR. ARTHUR CARLSON: I would like to
ask Mr. Flynn a question -- a couple of
questions.
THE CHAIP~dAN: Before you do that,
let me ask you a question. I don't know if
you sat in on the prior hearing with the
garage application, but there are certain
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issues that have been raised here concerning
the code and so on and so forth. At the
completion of the hearing for the evening,
would you like us to recess it so you may
seek legal counsel and possibly come back in
the November meeting or December meeting or
whatever -- how long you feel it is going to
take you to address the specific issues that
were mentioned?
First of all, we have afforded to us
a copy of the issues that Mr. Flynn has
before us. So we don't have to wait until
they are transcribed. However, we can give
you a copy of that so you can talk to your
attorney. That is an issue I want you to
think ab;ut.
MR. CARLSON: Can I ask a couple of
questions of Mr. Flynn? I want to know if
he represents someone. What is his interest
in this?
Number two -- before he answers that
-- you people have visited the site. There
are no noxious odors there.
Number three, our water is tested --
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required to be tested by the Department si
Agriculture every two years. ~e drink that
water in our families. ~e are not ground
polluting any water. ~e use very little
water in our operation.
HR. FLYHH: It is obvious that
somebody has to serve as some form ot
ombudsman if these applications are not to
slip by unchallenged; two, some of the
neighbors or at least one of the neighbors
-- I should correct that -- has complained
about the emission of odors from that
propertyi and three, whatever the situation
with groundwater is now, certainly the
possibility for contamination is going to be
inc~ease'mani~ld by the expansion of the
operation of these uses onto another lot.
THE CHAIRMAH: Thank you.
~4R. CLAUDE CARLSON:
like to clarify a couple of
~ust brought up here that I
I would iust
things that were
am not sure ii
everybody
pollution.
chemicals.
-- there is no possibility of
~e are not using any kind of
Everything is natural. #e are
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taking natural shellfish, taking them out of
the shells for sale out of town, and taking
the shell to the dtunp.
That is the basis of our operation,
o~ what we are doing. We are not expanding
anything. We have been doing this ~or many
years and we haven't had any problems.
There were other problems that arised
Because oE ~riction Between neighbors that
had nothing to do with that.
THE CHAIP34AN: I have before me the
m~no~ subdivision of Lots 1, 2 and 3. Your
father's lot is Lot Number 3, where the
entire operation occurs; is that correct?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: That is correct.
' THE CHAIRMAN: There is no operation
in your garage or on your prent~ses, where
your house is?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: No, my property
goes across the back oE his property.
TEE CHAIRMAN: So we are limiting
this discussion primarily to your father's
property.
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: Yes. There are
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no plans of any kind of expansion. All we
want to do is continue what we have been
doing for so many years.
THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much.
Appreciate it.
MR. FLYNN: May ! just comment
briefly abou~ this question of the
identification of the property? Lot Number
13.2 fronts on Lower Road.
THE CHAIRMAN: That is correct.
MR. FLYNH: Lot Number 13.4 fronts on
Ackerly Pond Road. The improvements are on
the lot fronting on Ackerly Pond Road.
THE CHAIRMAH: No.
MR. FLYNN: At least some of the
improvements.
THE CHAIRMAN:
No. The only thing
that is on Ackerly Pond Road, Mr. Flynn,
-- so we get this straightened out, because
I had a problem here, too, -- Mr. Claude
Carlson's house -- Mr. Carlson's son's house
fronts on Ackerly Pond Road. Mr. Sandy
Carlson, who is the applicant before us in
the nature of this application, his house
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~aces on Lower Road. The entire operation
-- I have a survey here -- is on Mr. Sandy
Carlson's or Mr. Arthur Carlson's parcel cE
property, which I have before me as 15.2. I
mean, we can afford you any copies of the
file or anything.
MR. FLYNN: It doesn't alter the
nature of my objection.
THE CHAIRMAN: No, it doesn't. I
just want to clear it up with you.
Mr. Carlson, Mr. Arthur Carlson, or
Sandy, we come to the question and I asked
you when you stood up,
making any suggestions
me what you want to do.
I personally am not
to you, hut you tell
We can close the
hear[ng'~ased on the record, or we will
allow you to come hack and have you bring
counsel with you.
MR. ARTHUR CARLSON: How soon will
the decision be made?
THE CHAIP/4AN: Well, if we close the
hearing tonight, we have 60 days from
tonight to make a decision, which would mean
we would be making a decision before
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the 'right-of-way that goes to Ackerly Pond,
is that in the deed for your property?
MR. ARTHUR CARLSON: Both on our
properties. It is 15 feet right-of-way
going from my driveway, continuing around a
90 degree bend, deeded to both Claude's
property and my property, and enters on --
exits or enters on Ackerly Pond.
THE CHAII~IAN: Just so we have it for
Christmas.
MR. ARTHUR CARLSON: I think, Oerry,
we have presented our case very well and we
stated all the facts. You people have
visited the site, and we stand on what we
are doing as neat as we can do it, and it
certainly is a help to the town. I think we
would like to go ahead and close it.
THE CHAII~/~: I have a particular
problem in the respect I want to talk to the
Town Attorney regarding this application.
So I might recess it to the next regularly
scheduled meeting for the sole purpose of my
discussing it with the Town Attorney.
MR. DINIZIO: I would like to know
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the record, what initiated this particular
hearing? What caused you to come before us?
MR. CLAUDE CARLSON: A compl&int,
which is a sour grape thing.
THE CHAIRMAN: That was a complaint
by a neighbor?
MR. ARTHUR CARLSON: One neighbor.
THE CHAIRMAN: That's what brought
you to this particular hearing?
MR. ARTHUR CARLSON: I could say
more, but maybe I shouldn't.
THE CHAIRMAN: It is counter-
productive, and we thank you, Arthur, and I
will suggest to the Board that we recess so
we might discuss it with the Town Attorney
and then you will be back. So we will see
you back here on the 29th. We will restrict
the testimony to five minutes, and we will
close the hearing and that will be the end
of it.
MR. ARTHUR CARLSON: Thank you.
THE CHAIRMAN: Hearing no further
questions, I make a motion recessing it to
the next regularly scheduled hearing for the
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purposes oE l£m~ted oral testimony to the
extent of five minutes on both sides after
disctmsion with the Town Attorney.
HR. GRIGONIS: Second.
THE CHAIR~N: All in favor?
HR. DOYEN:
HR. GRIGONIS:
HR. DINIZIO:
THE CHAIRMAN:
Aye.
Aye.
Aye.
Thank you very much,
gentlemen,
(Time noted:
THE CHAIRI~AN:
Humber 3788,
aarketing.
for coming in.
9:40 p.m.)
The next appeal is
in behalf of Sun Refining and
(Legal notice read off record.)
' THE CHA~R~4AH: Before us I have a
copy of the site plan from the Sun Refining
and Harketing Company Facility Distribution
Department, from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,
dated 12/30/87. There may be an update on
that, and I have a copy of the Suffolk
County Tax Hap indicating this and
surrounding properties in the area.
We ask counsel, is that the latest
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CERTIFICATION
I, GAlL ROSCHEN, do hereby certify that
I am an Official Court Reporter and that the
foregoing constitutes a true and correct
transcript of the Town of Southold Zoning
Board of Appeals hearing of November 1, 1990,
according to my stenographic notes.
GAlL ROSCHEN
Official Court Reporter
145A
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
Joseph H. Sawicki
James Dinizio, Jr.
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTT L+ HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
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'' Y0ur~ very truly,
Enclosure
GERARD P.
CHAIRMAN
GOEHRINGER
Copies to the following on or about 11/13/90:
L.I. Traveler-Watchman (delivery 11/13)
Suffolk Times, Inc. (delivery 11/13)
Bulletin Board (Lobby)
Individual ZBA files
J. Kevin McLaughlin, Esq.
Mr. Herbert Lindtveit (hand-delivery 11/13)
Mrs. Beverly Lehr (hand-delivery 11/13)
Mr. John Scaramucci, P.O. Box 1043, 2045 Westphalia Road,
Mattituck, NY 11952 (Re: Vangi)
Mr. Sanford Friemann, P.O. Box 915, Cutchogue 11935 (Re: H & S)
Mr. Curt Meyhoefer, 2195 Albertson La, Southold 11971 (Re: Copin)
Marie Ongioni, Esq., P.O. Box 562, Greenport 11944 (Re: Copin)
John M. Wagner, Esq., P.O. Box 279, Riverhead 11901 (Re: Sun Oil)
Donald M. McGayhey, Esq., Box 981, Southold 11971 (Re: Maloney)
Mrs. Phyllis Rayne Byer, Box 1161, Cutchogue 11935
Re: Milazzo:
Salvator A. Caradonna, 23 W. John St., Hicksville, NY 11801
Mr. John Milazzo, 137 Kings Road, Hauppauge. 11788
Mrs. Muriel Baldwin, 1045 Island View La, Greenport 11944
Philip J. Cardinale, Esq., P.O. Box W, Main Rd, Jamesport 11947
Marie Ongioni, Esq. (same as above)
Mr. Victor Lessard, Principal Building Inspector
~. Arthur G. Carlson, Box 693, Southold 11971
.~:Code of the Town of Southold,
"the following hearings will be
/held by the SOUTHOLD
· TOWN BOARD OF APPEALS
at a Regular Meeting, at the
Southold Town Hail, Main
Road, Southold, NY 11971, on
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 29,
1990 at the following times:
7:30 p.m. Appl. No. 3972--
PETROL STATION LTD.
Hearing continued from
November 1, 1990.
7:35 p.m. Appl. No. 3985--
HERBERT AND CATHER-
INE L1NDTVEIT. Variances to
~,the Zoning Ordinance, Article
,aXXVIII, Section 100.239.4B
''and Article XXIV, Section
100-244B for proposed one-
· ~'story and second-story additions
with two-foot over-hangs (can-
tilevers). Portion of additions
will be less than 75 feet from
bulkhead along Corey Creek
and will reduce both side yards
to less than the minimum re-
quired at 10 and 15 feet. The
dwelling as exists has noncon-
forming · side yards, and the lot
area and width are also noncon-
forming in this R-40 Zone Dis-
trier. Location of Property: 625
Windy Point Lane (Private
~ Road #12), Southold, NY;
-County Tax Map Parcel
1000-87-4-7.
Island Sound and with side
ya~s at less than the ~n:lui~115
feet and 20 feet. The dwelling a.s
exists is nonconforming as to
total sideyards, and the lot area
and width are nonconforming in
this R-40 Zone District. Loca-
tion of Property: 645 Glen
Court, Cutchngue, NY; Vista
Bluff Mnp No. 5060, Lot #I;
County Tax Map Parcel ID No.
1000-83-1-7.
7:55 p.m. AppL No. 3987--
H&S ASSOCIATES by Sanford
Friemann. Variance to the Zon-
ing Ordinance, Article X, Sec-
tion 100-102 (Bulk Schedule) for
approval of insufficient frontage
(lot width) (as exists) aiong the
Main Road of proposed Lot #3
and for approval of insufficient
lot depth of proposed Lot g2, in
this pending minor subdivision,
and for approval of access ac-
cording to New York Town Law,
Section 280A over a private
right-of-way. Zone Districts: B-
General Business and Agricul-
tural-Conservation. Location of
Property: North Side of Mainc.;
Road, Cutchngue, NY; County
Tax Map Parcel ID No.
1000-102-2-24. Total area: 19.596
acres.
8:05 p+m. Appl. NO. 3977--
BETTY J. COPIN. Continued
from November 1, 1990.
8:15 p.m. AppL No. 3788--
SUN REFINING & MARKET-
ING. Variances to the Zoning
Ordinance, Article X, Section
m Annl Nn '4~}R6 100-102: (1) for permiss on to es-
AND BEVERLY ~bHsh con~n~ence sto~ use m
Vn~n~ t~ the 7~nino conjunction with and acc~so~
~'- ~-~l'~fi'i- S~ to the ~isting g~oline station
~fa ..~ of the u~ on this substandard p~cel
~ h*lMia* ~ ~ w~ch ~n~ns less th~ 30,~
~~ ~4~.~- ~ m I~ ~ (2) for in~r-
~l ~ ~ t~ W~ .d O) for appro~l or cano~
~t ~ non~n- ' fo~ ng ~ structu~ in the f~nt ~rd ]oca-
to lot area and width in this R-40
Zone District. Location of Pro-
perty: 15 Sun Lane, Southold;
also referred to as Lots 1 & 2 on
the Subdivision map of "West
Creek Development" filed July
6, 1937 as County File No. 1236.
County Tax Map Parcel ID No.
1000-76-1-1.
7:45 p.m. Appl. No. 3988--
ANTONIO VANGI. Variance to
the Zoning Ordinance, Article
XXIV, Section 100-244 and Ar-
ticle XXIII, Section 100-239.4,
for oermission to construct
garage addition with a setback
of less than 100 feet from the
top of the bluff along the Long
tion. Location of Property: Cor-
ner of the Easterly Side of Fac-
tory Avenue and Northerly Side
of the Main Road, Mattituck,
NY; County Tax Map Parcel ID
No. 1000-142-1-27.
8:30 p.m. Appl. No. 3983--
JANET MALONEY. Variance
to the Zoning Ordinance, Arti-
cle XXIII, Section 100-239.4B
for approval of deck within 75
feet of bulkhead along Hog
Neck Bay. Lot is nonconform-
ing as to lot area in this R-40
Zone District. Location of Pro-
perty: 30 West Lake Drive and
2505 Little Peconic Bay Lane,
Southold, NY: County Tax Map
Parcel ID No. 1000-gO-l.2.~:
Cedar Beach Park Lot No. 125.
filed Map No. 90.
8:35 p.m. Appl. No. 3981-
PHYLLIS RAYNE BYER.
Variance to the Zoning Ordi-
nance, Article !II, Section
100-30A(I), as disapproved, for
approval of second dwelling
apartment unit, ns exists. Build-
ing as exists contains two dwell-
ing units and setail store in this
Limited Business (LB) Zone
District. Lot is nonconforming
as to lot area, width and depth.
Location of Prope~: Corner of
South Side of Main Road and
the East Side of Bay Avenue,
Cutchogue, NY; County
Map Parcel ID No. 1000-85-
3-2.1.
8:45 p.m. Appl. No. 3973--
JOHN AND ROSE MILAZZO.
Variances to the Zoning Ordi-
nance, Article XXIII, Section
100-239.4 [a/k/a 100-239d(B)]
and Article XXIV, Section
100-244B for permission to
locate addition and reconstruc-
tion of dwelling structure with
setbacks: (a) at less than the re-
quired 75 feet from the bulk-
head, (b) at less than the re-
quired minimum 35 ft. ~ear yard
at is clnsest point, and (c) at less
""fhan the required 10 ft. and 15
ft. minimum side yards, (d) at
less than the totai side yards re-
quired minimum of 25 feet.
Existing dwelling structure is
nonconforming as to the nor-
therly side yard, the rear yard,
and the setback from the bnik-
head. Lot area and width is non-
conforming in this R-do Zone
District. Location of Property:
9 Island View Lane, Greenport,
NY; County Tax Map Parcel ID
No. 1000-$7-2-20.
8:55 p.m. Appl. No. 3955--
DOMINICK SBLENDIDO &
A. AURICCHIO. Interpretation
requested regarding second kit-
chen facilities and its relation to
single-family versus two-family
uses, and a variance for addition
with an insufficient frontyard
setback. 185 Inlet Lane, Green-
port. Continued from Novem-
ber 1, 1990.
~'9:15 p.m. Appl. No. 3975--
]'ARTHUR G. CARLSON.
/.~ Interpretation and Variance to
~the Zoning Ordinance, Article
/,111, Section 100-30 (as disap-
/ pr~ved by the Building Inspee-
/ too for permission to accept
I delivery of shellfish from local
I~~ waters, to shuck the shellfish,
I x,...and to deliver or ship the seal-
said time and plaee hear any and
all persmu or representati,,es de.
siring to be heard in each of ibc
above matters. Written com-
ments may also be submitted
prior to the conclusion of the
subject heming. Each hearing
will not start I~fore the time ai.
lotted. Additional time for your
presentation will be available, if
needed. For more information,
please c~ll 765-1809.
Dated: November 9, 1990.
BY ORDER*OF
THE SOUTHOLD TOWN
BOARD OF APPEALS
GERARD P. C~EHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
By Linda Kowaiski
IX, 11/15/90 (30) I~1
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK
STATE OF NEW YORK
Patricia Wood, being duly sworn, says that she is the
Editor, of THE LONG ISLAND TRAVELER-WATCHMAN,
a public newspaper printed at Southold, in Suffolk County;
and that the notice of which the annexed is a printed copy,
has been published in said Long Island Traveler-Watchman
once each week for ................... ~. ...... weeks
successive!y, commencing on the .....
· /;~
Swgrn to before me this ..................... day of
............ .~~..., ~ f~...
Notary Public
BARBARA iL
NOTARY PU~LIG, 3(ate,d
No. 4806846
Qualified in Surfak Ceuqty
Commission Expifee
NOTICE OF HEARINGS
' NOTICG,.~4F~EBY GIVEN,
pursuant to Section 267 of the Tovm
Ltv and thc Code of the Tows of~
Southold, the following hearings?
wiH be held by the SOUTHOLD
TOWN BOARD OF APPEALS at n
Regular Meeting, at the Southeld
Town Hell. Main Road, Southold,,
NY 11971. on THURSDAY,¥
NOVEMBER 29, 1990 at the fog
lowing times:
7:30 p.m. Appl. No, 3972
PETROL STATION LTD. Hearing
continued from Novembe~ 1, 1990.
?135 p.m. AppL No. 3985
HERBERT AND CATHERINE
.u~, ?.~e ,1~. Ya~cuto the
g ~dmtnce, Ahic~e ~ Sec.
tim 100-239.4E and Article ~
$c~cn 100-244B fm Ixoposnd me-
two-f'o~ over-hangs (canti{evets).
7s fm ~ t,~ud elong Co~,~
to le~l than the mlnim~lm ~ at
10and 13 feet. ~e d~lllng as e~M
has noncmformln8 side yards, and
the lot aru and width am also nm.
co~formin8 in this R-40 Zone Dis-
tract. Location of Property: 625
Windy Point Lane (Privat~ Road
Parcel 1000-87-4-7.
'/:40 p.m. AppL No. 3986 --
BARRY AND BEVERLY LEHR.
Variance to the Zoning Ordinance,
· TexMap PsrmliD No. 1000-10R-2-
8:05 p.m. AppL No. 3977 --
EI~L t l~ L COPIN. Continued f~m
November I. 1990. . ' ~%:, and width is nmeonforming in this
8:15 p.m. Appl. No. 3788 -- '~ . R-40 Zono District. Locntion of
SUNREHN]NO&MARKETING. : Properly: 9 Island View Lnne,
V~ianms to the Zo~in8 Ordinance, _ Greenport, NY; County Tax Map
Ardde X, Seetim 100-102: (I)
pennissinu to embEsh c~evenience
store use in conjunction with and
accessory to the existing 8asolineJ~b
P.a~n use ea this mbmndard par.
ed va~ck contaim less than 30,000
tim as to h,~fin Emitation of acces-
sory (~) structure, and (3) for
q~oval of canopy armature in the
side yams mlubad minimum of 2~
fee~ Existing dwelling stmctore is
nonconforming as to dm northerly
· beck from the bulkhead. Lot area
Article l~. Sentiml 100-30.2A for
approval of the Iocatio~ of a~
building l~at~d h an a~a ~ber
· an ~e required rear yard and
h ~ wid~ h ~ R~
DistficL ~nti~ of Pro.fly: 15
u L~f I & 2 ~ the Su~ivisi~
~p of "West C~ ~l~mt"~~
1236. County T~ Map Pa~ ~
7:45 p.m. AppI, No. 3988 ~
~O V~GL V~m~ M ~e
~ing O~inance, A~ic{e XXIV,
top of the bluff along the ~ng
front yard location. Location of
Property: Comer of the Easterly
Side of Factory Avenue and
Northerly Side of the Main Road.
M~ttituck, NY; County Tax Map
Pared ID No. 10~-142-1-27.
8:30 p.m. AppL No. 3983 --
~ANET MALONEY. Variance to th~
Z~ring Ordinance, Arliele XXTTI,
Sec~ 100-239.4B f~x ~..,~,sl of
deck within 75 feet of bulkhead
elmlg Hog Neck Bay. Lot is n~- ]
c~fonulng ns m let are~ in this R-
40 Z,~e Distfiet. Location of ~
arty: 30 West Lake Drive and 2505
Little Pcc~ic Bay Lone, Southold,
NY; County Tax Map Parc~ ID No.
1000-90-1-25; Cedar Beach Park/
J.~t No. 125, filnd Map No~ 90. t'~-~
8:35 p.m. Appl. No. 3081 ~
to the Ze~b~ O~linm~ce, Ardcle IIX,
Seetk~ 100-30A(I). ns dlsapMo~d,
for appFoval of second dwelling
spemn~t nail, as exists. Buildins as
exists countins two dwelling units
'~'""--~_ot~nins u to total sld~yarda, and and retell ~ in this Limited Busl.
th~ I~-rur~td-wid~ ~_Le,.~h. ms (LB) ~ne Dimiet. Lot is non-
conforming in this R-40 Zone Dis- ceoformmg as m ~ot area, width and
Court, Cntch°fue, NY; Vista Banff of S~th Side ~ Ivhln REnd and the
Map No. 50~0, Lm #1; C. omty Ta~ ' East Side of Bay Avenue,
M~7:~il~tfl:elID No. 1000-$3-1-7..' Cutohogue NY; County Tax map
: p.m. ApI~.NO.3987--H& Pan:~I ID No. 1000-8.S.3-2.1. , ·
S ASSOCIATES by Sanford Fda- 8:45 p.m AppL No. 3973 ~
. mann. Variance to the Z~xting Ordi- ~/ ~ JOH'N AND ROSE MILAZZO.
· n~an..c~,..A, rti.cl.e ?., Sectioa 100-102'r~..~...Varisncot to the Zoning O~dinanGe,
qt2unt ~c.~.du]e) ro~ apg,,~.el Gf in- ,~ Aflic{e XXI~I, Sectint~ 100-239.4
Lane, Greenpom Continued from
Novembe~ I, 1990,
/9~1~ p.m. Appl. No.
~ARTHUR O. CARLSON.
~ Intcqm~tation and Variance to the
/ ~ouing Ordinmce, Article 1~. Sec.
~ sion 100-30 (as disapproved by the
~ Building Inspector) for permission
I . to accep~ delivery of shelBhh from
local wnten, m shuck the shellfish,
nnd to deliver m' ship the scaEope
. and~. cmches for wholesale diml.
· . . hoti~a. Scallops aad conches to be
nttal-Cmservation (AC). Location
of Property: IS?5 Lower Road,
- ,%uthdd, NY; County Tax Map
ed No. 1000-69-~-13.2. Continued
..e WHfl~n mmmems may also be ,u.b-
subject headnL Each hearing
not start befor~ the timm alinued.
,~ Additional tiao for your p~-
sematech will be avaiinble, if n~d-
~. 765-1809. , .... . ~ :
· =- ~ EY ORDBi( OF THE SOUTHOED
TOWN BOARD OF APPEALS
..... ,~,~ CttAIRMAN ~ ,: ..
~?-ITNIJ ~.i.¥ · ~.~ : -..~.il-~
mfficicnt frontage 0m width) (at ~'~ ~'(a/kla 100-239d(B)} and Article
exbu} aloog the Main Rmd ef pro- .i~t~XXIV, .qe~ti(~ 100-244B for per-
· ~ted tot #3 and for appmvel of ' ~:,'~; ~issim to Im:nte addition and
imu~,fic~.n! lot depth d p~opceed Lol
I '~ c~extmaion of dwellinI stmctore
12. tn thts pendin8 minor sub- ~,:~with sethachs: (a) at {ess than {bi
a~°minl to Now Y°th Town Law, ~}~ ~) et {est than the i~lulr~l mini-
S0c6on 280A over e I~vate fight-el- ~ ~'~.~=~mun 35 ~ rear yard al its dceesl
way. Zme '.D~:?. B-General ~..i. Z poma, and (c) at lets than the ~-
i~rcel ID No. 1000-5%2.20. *
S;~5 p.m. Appl. No. 3955 ~
DOMINICK SBLENDIDO & A.
AURXCCHIO. Xoterpretation
~questod regarding se~nd kitchen
facilities nd its relation to sing{e-
family vertex two-family uses, and a
vatiance f~r nddilim with an insuffi-
cient frontyard setback. 185 Inlet
STATE OF NEW YORK)
) SS:
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK}
Sharon Rock of Mattituck, in
said County, being duly sworn, says that he/she is Principal
Clerk of THE SUFFOLK TIMES, a Weekly Newspaper,
published at Mattitucl~ in the Town of Southold, County of
Suffolk and State of New York, and that the Notice of which
the annexed is a printed copy, has been regulan'y published in
said Newspaper once each week for i weeks.
successively, commencing on the 15 day of
November 1990
Principal Clerk
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS~L~
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Origonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
Joseph H. Sawicki
James Dinizio, Jr. BOARD OF APPEALS
Telephone (516) 765-1809 TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTT L. HARRIS
~npervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
NOTICE OF HEARINGS
NOTICE IS HEgRRy GIVEN, pursuant to Section 267 of the Town
Law and the Code of the Town of Southold, the following hearings
will be held by the SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD OF APPEALS at a Regular
Meeting, at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, NY
11971, on THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 29, 1990 at the following times:
7:30 p.m. Appl. No.
continued from November
7:35 p.m. Appl. No.
3972 - PETROL STATION LTD.
1, 1990.
3985 - HERBERT AND CATHERINE
Hearing
LINDTVEIT. Variances to the Zoning Ordinance, Article XXVIII,
Section 100-239.4B and Article XXIy~, Section lq0-244B for
proposed one-story and second-story additions with two-foot
over-hangs (cantilevers) Portion of additions will be less
than 75 feet from bulkhead along Corey Creek and will reduce
both side yards to less than the minimum required at 10 and 15
feet. The dwelling as exists has nonconforming side yards, and
the lot area and width are also nonconforming in this R-40 Zone
District. Location of Property: 625 Windy Point Lane (Private
Road #12), Southold, NY; County Tax Map Parcel 1000-87-4-7.
Page 2 - Legal Notice
Hearings to be Held November 29, 1990
Southold Town Board of Appeals
7:40 p.m. Appl. No. 3986 - BARRY AND BEVERLY LEHR.
Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-30.2A
for approval of the location of accessory building located in an
area other than the required rear yard and located within 75
feet of the bulkhead along Goose Creek (a/k/a West Creek). Lot
is nonconforming as to lot area and width in this R-40 Zone
District. Location of Property: 15 Sun Lane, Southold; also
referred to as Lots 1 & 2 on the Subdivision map of "West Creek
Development" filed July 6, 1937 as County File No. 1236. County
Tax Map Parcel ID No. 1000-76-1-1.
7:45 p.m. Appl. No. 3988 - ANTONIO VANGI. Variance to the
Zoning Ordinance, Article XXIV, Section 100-244 and Article
XXIII, Section 100-239.4, for permission to construct garage
addition with a setback of less than 100 feet from the top of
the bluff along the Long Island So,u~.d and with.side yards at
less than the required 15 feet and 20 feet. The dwelling as
exists is nonconforming as to total sideyards, and the lot area
and width are nonconforming in this R-40 Zone District.
Location of Property: 645 Glen Court, Cutchogue, NY; Vista
Bluff Map No. 5960, Lot #1; County Tax Map Parcel ID
No. 1000-83-1-7.
Page 3 - Legal Notice
Hearings to be Held November 29, 1990
Southold Town Board of Appeals
7:55 p.m. Appl. No. 3987 - H & S ASSOCIATES by Sanford
Friemann. Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article X, Section
100-102 (Bulk Schedule) for approval of insufficient frontage
(lot width) {as exists} along the Main Road of proposed Lot #3
and for approval of insufficient lot depth of proposed Lot #2,
in this pending minor subdivision, and for approval of access
according to New York Town Law, Section 280A over a private
right-of-way. Zone Districts: B-General Business and
Agricultural-Conservation.
of Main Road, Cutchogue, NY;
1000-102-2-24. Total area:
Location of Property: North Side
County Tax Map Parcel ID No.
19.596 acres.
8:05 p.m. Appl. No. 3977 - BE'±'i'f J. COPIN. Continued from
November 1, 1990.
8:15 p.m. Appl. No. 3788 - ~UN REFINING '& MARKETING.
Variances to the Zoning Ordinance, Article X, Section 100-102:
(1) for permission to establish convenience store use in
conjunction with and accessory to the existing gasoline station
use on this substandard parcel which contains less than 30,000
sq. ft. in lot area; (2) for interpretation as to height
limitation of accessory (canopy) structure, and (3) for
approval of canopy structure in the front yard location.
Location of Property: Corner of the Easterly Side of Factory
Avenue and Northerly Side of the Main Road, Mattituck, NY;
County Tax Map Parcel ID No. 1000-142-1-27.
Page 4 - Legal Notice
Hearings to be Held November 29,
Southold Town Board of Appeals
1990
8:30 p.m. Appl. No. 3983 - JANET MALONEY. Variance to the
Zoning Ordinance, Article XXIII, Section 100-239.4B for approval
of deck within 75 feet of bulkhead along Hog Neck Bay. Lot is
nonconforming as to lot area in this R-40 Zone District.
Location of Property: 30 West Lake Drive and 2505 Little
Peconic Bay Lane, Southold, NY; County Tax Map Parcel ID No.
1000-90-1-25; Cedar Beach Park Lot No. 125, filed Map No. 90.
8:35 p.m. Appl. No. 3981 - PHYLLIS RAYNE BYER. Variance
to the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-30A(1), as
disapproved, for approval of second dwelling apartment unit, as
exists. Building as exists contains two dwelling units and
retail store in this Limited Business (LB) Zone District. Lot
is nonconforming as to lot area, ~idth.and dep%h. Location of
Property: Corner of South Side of Main Road and the East Side
of Bay Avenue, Cutchogue, NY; County Tax Map Parcel ID
No. 1000-85-3-2.1.
Page 5 - Legal Notice
Hearings to be Held November 29,
Southold Town Board of Appeals
1990
8:45 p.m. Appl. No. 3973 - JOHN AND ROSE MILAZZO.
Variances to the Zoning Ordinance, Article XXIII, Section
100-239.4 {a/k/a 100-239d(B)} and Article XXIV, Section 100-244B
for permission to locate addition and reconstruction of dwelling
structure with setbacks: (a) at less than the required 75 feet
from the bulkhead, (b) at less than the required minimum 35
ft. rear yard at its closest point, and (c) at less than the
required 10 ft. and 15 ft. minimum side yards, (d) at less
than the total side yards required minimum of 25 feet. Existing
dwelling structure is nonconforming as to the northerly side
yard, the rear yard, and the setback from the bulkhead. Lot
area and width is nonconforming in this R-40 Zone District.
Location of Property: 9 Island View Lane, Greenport, NY;
County Tax Map Parcel ID No. 1000-57-2-20.
8:55 p.m. Appl. No. 3955 - DOMINICK SBLENDIDO & A.
AURICCHIO. Interpretation requested regarding second kitchen
facilities and its relation to single-family verses two-family
uses, and a variance for addition with an insufficient frontyard
setback. 185 Inlet Lane, Greenport. Continued from November 1,
1990.
Appl. No. 3975 - ARTHUR G. CARLSON.
and
Inter~T~T-fon Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article
III, Section 100-30 (as disapproved by the Building Inspector)
for permission to accept delivery of shellfish from local
waters, to shuck the shellfish, and to deliver or ship the
scallops and/or conches for wholesale distribution. Scallop~
Page 6 - Legal Notice
Hearings to be Held November 29, 1990
Southold Town Board of Appeals
and conches to be delivered for off-premises consumption or
sales. Zone District: Agricultural-Conservation (AC).
Location of Property: 1575 Lower Road, Southold, NY; County
Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-69-5-13.2. Continued from
November 1, 1990.
The Board of Appeals will at said 'time and place hear any
and all persons or representatives desiring to be heard in each
of the above matters. Written comments may also be submitted
prior to the conclusion of the subject hearing. Each hearing
will not start before the time allotted. Additional time for
your presentation will be available, if needed. For more
information, please call 765-1809.
Dated: November 9, 1990.
BY ORDER OF THE SOUTHOLD
TOWN BOARD OF APPEALS
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
By Linda Kowalski
VIRGIN]fA OLGA LEE. Variance
to the ~in80rdb~nce, Aflicin
XXIV, Section 100-244B for ap.
isocal of _ _,_~_ -~ additlon to dmeEing
with an insufficiem sideyard sct%
back and reduced front yard set°
· Prepay: ~45S Cedar B~aeh Rod
East, Southold, NY; County Tax
Map Parcel No, 1000-~2-1-4,
7:45 p.m. AppL No. 3978 ~
DONALD & DOROTHY SWAHN,
By-The-Sea Subdivision !.~ No.
.... LNo 3974 ~' u-- Pared No. 1000'109'l-23 '~ ' ldSm"lS(a~el~dfmmaenumt~r
DONALDL. OSA]~(fetGEORGE ;,.;.~...~,~Sp.m. AppLN.o, 3977--:~::-~_199(}:.. ~:. "'955 DO '
BRUDERMAMN JR. Owuer).. ~-~_;_Bi~t-/z'J. COPIN. Vafiance to the ,,~,,,9:00p. m. Appt.~_o_.~ ~ -
mV. mt~.b-tho~by,q-- ''; .pa~y. ind~b .)~.d.,?ya,, ' i'~' .... .'.'*.-'~.
- ~to deed coeveyanons, each lot ~ with · sethck ct less man me re- 'lhe tsoem et A,%'~-,, vm at sma
~Distfict Location of Property: -'.~=~ mi, ft. in this R-80 Zone DtstflcL .: '.. terL Written ~mnmq~ m~y also be
'th, west Side or'R,ydon
Southold, NY; County Tax Map ~-' ''~ =-pofl, NY; County Tax Map Parcel w01 not staff m me me auct-
Pa~elNo~.1000-79-S-10sndlL No. 1000-52-$-54. ~ +'--. '''/ led. Additi'*~dmefo~yonrp~-
7:40 p.m. AppL No. 3980-' "- 8:15 p.m, Appi. No. 3979 ~ 7= - = ' sentadon wail be available' if netd':*
THOMAS ~. GERMAN. Variances ed. For mole infmmation, pleas~
to dm Zoninl~ .Odinance, Aflicin HX, . call 765-1809.
_ _q-~___' _,eh 100-33 for ,t~,~,val of inca-Dined: Octobe~ 17, 1990.
tion of two accessory (storage) BY ORDHR OF THE SOUTHOLI)
'
~ let area of this parcel is non- ~.~ GERARD E GOEHR]NGER
· tdc~.L_,,c_-~_'__'onofPropafly: 18Oes- ~" ~='"*/ "ByLindaKowaldd
'~ '~ixMapPafcelNo. 1000-121-4-23.
. -8:25 p.m. Appl. No, 3968 --
IP~NE R. M~ J .J~R. Vmbnce to tbe
ZoninI Ordinance, Article XI~A,
Varbnces to the ~ ~ -' : Section IO0-30A 3, and Article
Artlclelff, Secsina 100-32radAr- ' .,:XXI]~,q,,,tL~ 100-239.4Afetper-
ticle XXIII, Section 100-239 for
qN.txoval of insurficinnt I~ area and ~. ~ sm~tmu ruth a sethdt of 17.
width (frontage) of two proposed · ~,~. 100 feet from the top of ~ highe~
parcels, each wish an existing ~ point (top of blur0 on this 42,930
STATE OF NEW YORK) '
)SS:
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK)
Christina Volinski
said County, being duly sworn, sa~
Clerk of THE SUFFOLK .TIMES,
published at Mattituck, in the Tow~
Suffolk and State of New York, and
the annexed is a printed copy, has b(
said Newspaper once each we
successively, eommenclflg on ti
October 19 90
Sworn to before me this ~=
NOTICE 9F HEARII~GS
NOTICE IS HEREBY (3IV-
EN, pursuant to Section 267 of
the Town Law and the Code of
the Town of Southold, the
following hearings will be held
by the SOUTHOLD TOWN
BOARD OF APPEALS at a
Regular Meeting, at the
Southold Town Hall, Main
Road, Southold, NY 11971, on
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 1,
1990, at the following times:
7:30 p.m. AppL No. 3969-
ANDREW BURKARD.
Vuriance to the Zoning Or-
dirlance, Article III, Section
100-32 for permission to con-
stroct two-foot extension of
garage attached to dwelling with
an~ insufficient front yard set-
-back. Zone District: R-40. Loca-
tion of Property: 370 Uhl Lane,
Orient, NY; Orient-By-Tbe-Sea
Subdivisoin Lot No. 167, Sec-,
tion Three, Map 6160; 1000-15~-
5-24.13.
7:35 p.m. Appl. No 3974-
DONALD L., OSANI (for
(3EOR(3E BRUDERMANN
JR., Owner). Variance to the
Zoning Ordinance, Article IIIA,
Section 100-30a.3 for approval
of re-separation into two
separate parcels as shown by
separate deed conveyance~ each
lot having insufficient area and
~proposed construction to meet
setback requirements for this
R-40 Zone District. Location of
Property:. North side of Bayview
Road and the West side of
Re/don Drive, Southold, NY;
County ~ Map Parcel Nos.
.1000-79-5-10 and IL
7:40 p.m. AppL No. 3980-
VIR(31NIA OL(3A LEE.
Vuri~l~ to the Zoning Or-
dina~Article XXIV, Section
· 100-2~'B for approval of decl~
addition to dwelling with an in't'
sufficent sideyurd setback and
reduced front yard setback. Lot
area is nonconforming in this
R-40 Zone District. Location of
Property: 1455 Cedar Beach
Road East, Southold, NY;
County Tax Map Parcel No.
1000-92-1-4.
7:45 p.m. Appl. No. 3978-
DONALD & DOROTHY
SWAHN. Variances to the Zon-
ing Ordinance, Article I11, Sec-
tion 100-32 and Article XXIlI,
Section 100-239 for approval of
insufficient lot area' and width
(frontage) of two proposed
parcels, each with an existing
dwelling, in this pending divi-
sion of land. Zone District:
:i R-40. Location of Property:.
= South side of Park Avenue,
Mattituck, NY; County Tax
Map Parcel No~ 1000-123-8-8.
7:50 p.m. Appl. No. 3971~
VALERIE M. KRAMER~
Variance to the Zoning Or-
dinance, Article XXIII, Section
239.4B and Article XXVIII,
Section 281, for permission to
with an insufficient setback
from existing bulkhead and
from the ees~rly (front) proper-
ty line along Manhanset Avenue
Lot area of parcel is nonconfor-
ming in this R-40 Zone District.
Location of Property: 730
Robinson Road and 980
Manhanset Avenue, (3reenport,
NY; County 'lh..x Map Parcel No.
1000-34-5-20.
7:55 p.m. AppL No. 3976-
THOMAS AND MARIAN
SANTACROCE. Special Excep-
tion to the Zoning Ordinance,
Article III, Section 100-31(9)(E)
for permission to construct off-
premises ~ound sign to adver-
tise for business purposes. Loca-
tion of Property for Sigt/?
Southeast corner of Shipyard
Lane and the Main Road, East
Marion, NY; County Tax Map
Parcel No. 1000-38-1-L2
8:00 p.m. Appl. No. 3972-
PETROL STATION LTD.
Variance to the Zoning Or-
dinance, Article VII, Section
100-72 for approval of propos-
ed Lot No. 4 which will have in-
sufficient area in . this
Residential-Offica (RO) Zone
District. Location of Property:
North side of the Main Road
(265± feet west of Alvah's
Lane), Cutchogue, N~ County
Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-109-
,., i-23.
8:05 p.m. Appl. No. 3977-
BETTY J. COPIN. ~pnce to
the Zoning Ordina~l~yArticle
I11, Section 100-33B(4) for per-
mission to locate accessory
(prnge) building pur~ly in th~e~,~
side yard and rear yard with k~
setback at less than the required
20 feet from the southerly pro-
perty line. The lot area of this
parcel is nonconforming at
40,000 sq. ft. in this R-80 Zone
District. Location of Property:.
2195 Albertson Lane, Ar-
sbamomaque, Greenport, NY;
County Tax Map Parcel No.
1000-52-5-54.
8:15 p.m. Appl. No. 3979-
THOMAS J. GORMAN. Var-
iances to the Zoning Ordinance,
Article Iii, Section 100-33 for
approval of location of two ac-
cessory (s~rnge) buildings in the
front yard, ns exist. The lot area
of this parcel is nonconforming
in this R-80 Zone District. Loca-
tion of Property: 18 Crescent
Drive, Mattituck, NY; County
Tax Map Parcel No.
1000-121-4-23.
8:25 p.m. Appl. No. 3968-~
IRENE R. MILLER. Varianc~
to the Zoning Ordinance, Arti-
cle IliA, Section 100-30A.3, and
Article XXIII, Section 100-
239.4A for permission to locate
proposed dwelling structure
with a setback of less than 100
feet from the top of the highest
point (top of bluff) on this
42~930 sq. ft. parcel. The parcel
in question is nonconforming as
to lot width (frontage) of less
tban the required 150 feet in this
R-40 Zone District. Location of
Property: Lake View Avenue
(127± feet southwest of Hun-
tington Boulevard, a private
road), Southold, N~ County
'lhx Map Parcel No. 1000-68-
~8:35 p.m. AppL No. 3975-
ARTHUR (3. CARLSON. In-
terpretation and Variance to the
Zoning Ordinance, Article III,
Section 100-30 ~
by the
approval of muricuhure uses to
include delivery an~i storing of
seafood, packaging, freezing
and/or preparation of raw or
cooked seafood (processing) for
shipping and/or sales for off-
premises consumption. Zone
District: Agricultural-
Conservation (AC). Location of
Property: 1575 Lower Road,
Southold, N~ County ~ax Map
Parcel No. 1000-69-5-13.2.
-'~:45 p.m. Appl. No. 3788-
SUN REFININ(3 & MARKET-p
IN(3. Variance to the Zoning Or~
dinance, Article X, Section
100-102: (1) for permission to
establish convenience store use
in conjunction with and ac-
cessory to the existing gasoline
station use on this substandard
parcel which contains less than
~0,000 sq. ft. in lot aren for each
use, and (2) for int~pretation ns
to height limitation of accessory
(canopy) structur~ Locatinn of
Property: Comer of the Easter-
ly side of Factory Avenue and
Northerly side of the Main
Road, Mattituck, NY;
1000-142-1-27.
Matters Recessed from
p.m. Appi., No. 3955~
DOMINICK SBLEND1DO &
A. AURICCHIO. ;
9:.10 pm. Appl. No. .3938-
VILLAGE MARINE. ~ ~,
The Board of Appeals will ~t~
said time and place bear an~ aaa
all persom or repre~ntatives
dmiring to b~ heard in each of
niant~ may also be submitted-
wior to the conclusion of the
subject heating. Each hearing
will not start bafom the time
allotted. Additional time for
your presentation will be
available, if needed. For more
information, please call
7654809.
Dated: October 17, 1990.
BY ORDER OF THE
SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
~ :~ : OF APPEALS
(3ERARD P. GOEHRIN(3ER
-; ;.~,.~:V: :. :CHAIRMAN
By Linda Kowaiski
-'? ~!.~, - IX-10/25/90(2)
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK
SS~
STATE OF NEW YORK
Patricia Wood, being duly sworn, says that she is the
Editor, of THE LONG ISLAND TRAVELER-WATCHMAN,
a public newspaper printed at Southold, in Suffolk County;
and that the notice of which the annexed is a printed copy,
has been published in said Long Island Traveler-Watchman
once each week for ..................... /'. .... weeks
successively, commencing on the .......... ~ ~f
day of ..... .~. ...... 19 .~.a...
Sworn to before me this .......... ~.~.?..~. ..... day of
......... ....
Notary Public
p.~A?~, A. SSHNEIOER
NO|,,~f
Qualified in SuffMk Co~m~.
Commi~ion r~piml ,Y/.~,'/?.3.._
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Cfiairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
Joseph H. Sawicki
James Dinizio, Jr.
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCO'IT L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Enclosed herewith as confirmation of the time, date and
place of the public hearing concerning your application is a
copy of the Legal Notice, as published recently in the Long
Island Traveler-Watchman, Inc. and Suffolk Times, Inc.
Please have someone appear in your behalf at the time
specified in the event there are questions brought up during the
same and in order to prevent a delay in the processing of your
application. Your public hearing will not start before the
times allotted in the attached Legal Notice.
Please feel free to call our office prior to the hearing
date if you have questions or wish to update your file.
Yours very truly,
GERARD p. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
By Linda Kowalski
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis,
Serge Doyen, Jr.
$oseph H. Sawicki
James Dinizio, Jr.
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
NOTICE OF HEARINGS
SCOTF L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hail, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, pursuant to Section 267 of the Town
Law and the Code of the Town of Southold, the following hearings
will be held by the SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD OF APPEALS at a Regular
Meeting, at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, NY
11971, on THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 1990, at the following times:
7:30 p.m. Appl. No. 3969 - ANDREW BURKARD. Variance to
the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-32 for permission
to construct two-foot extention of garage attached to dwelling
with an insufficient front yard setback. Zone District:
R-40. Location of Property: 370 Uhl Lane, Orient, NY;
Orient-By-The-Sea Subdivision Lot No. 167, Section Three,
Map 6160; 1000-15-5-24.13.
7:35 p.m. Appl. No. 3974 - DONA~.n L. OSANI (for GEORGE
BRUDERMANN JR., Owner). Variance to the Zoning Ordinance,
Article IIIA, Section 100-30a.3 for approval of re-separation
into two separate parcels as shown by separate deed conveyances,
Page 2 - Notice of Hearings
Southold Town Board of Appeals
Regular Meeting of November 1, 1990
each lot having insufficient area and proposed construction to
meet setback requirements for this R-40 Zone District. Location
of Property: North Side of Bayview Road and the West Side of
Reydon Drive, Southold, NY; County Tax Map Parcel Nos.
1000-79-5-10 and 11.
7:40 p.m. Appl. No. 3980 - VIRGINIA OLGA LEE. Variance to
the Zoning Ordinance, Article XXIV, Section 100-244B for
approval of deck addition to dwelling with an insufficient
sideyard setback and reduced front yard setback. Lot area is
nonconforming is this R-40 Zone District. Location of
Property: 1455 Cedar Beach Road East, Southold, NY; County Tax
Map Parcel No. 1000-92-1-4.
7:45 p.m. Appl. No. 3978 - DONALD & DOROTHY SWAHN.
Variances to the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-32
and Article XXIII, Section 100-239 for approval of insufficient
lot area and width (frontage) of two proposed parcels, each with
an existing dwelling, in this pending division of land. Zone
District: R-40. Location of Property: South Side of Park
Avenue, Mattituck, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-123-8-8.
Page 3 - Notice of Hearings
Southold Town Board of Appeals
Regular Meeting of November 1,
1990
7:50 p.m. Appl. No. 3971 - VALERIE M. KRAMER. Variance to
the Zoning Ordinance, Article XXIII, Section 239.4B and Article
XXVIII, Section 281, for permission to construct new dwelling
structure with an insufficient setback from existing bulkhead
and from the easterly (front} property line along Manhanset
Avenue. Lot area of parcel is nonconforming in this R-40 Zone
District. Location of Property:
Manhanset Avenue, Greenport, NY;
1000-34-5-20.
730 Robinson Road and 980
County Tax Map Parcel No.
7:55 p.m. Appl. No. 3976 - THOMAS AND MARIAN SANTACROCE.
Special Exception to the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section
100-31(9)(E) for permission to construct off-premises ground
sign to advertise for business purposes. Location of Property
for Sign: Southeast corner of Shipyard Lane and the Main Road,
East Marion, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-38-1-1.2.
8:00 p.m. Appl. No. 3972 - PETROL STATION LTD. Variance
to the Zoning Ordinance, Article VII, Section 100-72 for
approval of proposed Lot 94 which will have insufficient area in
this Residential-Office (RO) Zone District. Location of
Page 4 - Notice of Hearings
Southold Town Board of Appeals
Regular Meeting of November 1,
1990
property: North Side of the Main Road (265+- feet west of
Alvah's Lane), Cutchogue, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No.
I000-109-1-23
8:05 p.m. Appl. No. 3977 - BE'l'l'f J. COPIN. Variance to
the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-33B(41 for
permission to locate accessory (garage) building partly in the
side yard and rear yard with a setback at less than the required
20 feet from the southerly property line. The lot area of this
parcel is nonconforming at 40,000 sq. ft. in this R-80 Zone
District. Location of Property: 2195 Albertson Lane,
Arshamomague, Greenport, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No.
1000-52-5-54.
8:15 p.m. Appl. No. 3979 - THOMAS J. GORMAN. Variances to
the Zoning Ordinance, Article III, Section 100-33 for approval
of location of two accessory (storage) buildings in the front
yard, as exist. The lot area of this parcel is nonconforming in
this R-80 Zone District. Location of Property: 18 Crescent
Drive, Mattituck, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No.
1000-121-4-23.
8:25 p.m. Appl. No. 3968 IRENE R. MILLER. Variance to
the Zoning Ordinance, Article IIIA, Section 100-30A.3, and
Article XXIII, Section 100-239.4A for permission to locate
Page 5 - Notice of Hearings
Southold Town Board of Appeals
Regular Meeting of November 1, 1990
proposed dwelling structure with a setback of less than 100 feet
from the top of the highest point (top of bluff) on this 42,930
sq. ft. parcel. The parcel in question is nonconforming as to
lot width (frontage) of less than the required 150 feet in this
R-40 Zone District. Location of Property: Lake View Avenue
(127+- feet southwest of Huntington Boulevard, a private road),
Southold, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-68-3-10.
8:35 p.m. Appl. No. 3975 - ARTHUR G. CARLSON.
Interpretation and Variance to the Zoning Ordinance, Article
III, Section 100-30 (as disapproved by the Building Inspector)
for approval of mariculture uses to include delivery and storin
of seafood, packaging, freezing and/or preparation of raw or
cooked seafood (processing) for shipping and/or sales for
off-premises consumption. Zone District: Agricultural-
Conservation (AC). Location of Property: 1575 Lower Road,
Southold, NY; County Tax Map Parcel No. 1000-69-5-13.2.
8:45 p.m. Appl. No. 3788 - SUN REFINING & MARKETING.
Variances to the Zoning Ordinance, Article X, Sections 100-102:
(1) for permission to establish convenience store use in
conjunction with and accessory to the existing gasoline station
use on this substandard parcel which contains less than 30,000
sq. ft. in lot area for each use, and (2) for interpretation as
to height limitation of accessory (canopy) structure. Location
Page 6 - Notice of Hearings
Southold Town Board of Appeals
Regular Meeting of November 1,
1990
of Property: Corner of the Easterly Side of Factory Avenue and
Northerly Side of the Main Road, Mattituck, NY; 1000-142-1-27.
Matters Recessed from September 26, 1990:
9:00 p.m.
9:10 p.m.
Appl. No. 3955 - DOMINICK SBLENDIDO & A.
AURICCHIO.
Appl. No. 3938 - VILLAGE MARINE.
The Board of Appeals will at said time and place hear any
and all persons or representatives desiring to be heard in each
of the above matters. Written comments may also be submitted
prior to the conclusion of the subject hearing. Each hearing
will not start before the time allotted. Additional time for
your presentation will be available, if needed. For more
information, please call 765-1809.
Dated: October 17, 1990. BY ORDER OF THE SOUTHOLD
TOWN BOARD OF APPEALS
GERA=RD P. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
By Linda Kowalski
Copies to the following on or about October 19, 1990:
Suffolk Times, Inc.
L.I. Traveler-Watchman
Town Clerk Bulletin Board (Main Lobby)
ZBA Board Members (with file copies)
ZBA Individual Files
Notice of Hearings
Z.B.A. - November 1, 1990
Copies of Legal Notice also to the following on or about
10/16/90:
Mr. and Mrs. Andrew Burkard, 40 Slocum Ave, Pt. Washington 11050
Mr. and Mrs. Donald L. Osani, 332 Throop St., N. Babylon 11704
Mr. and Mrs. George Brudermann, 10 Winter La, Dix Hills 11746
Mrs. Virginia Olga Lee, P.O. Box 1273, Southold 11971
Mr. & Mrs. Donald Swahn, P.O. Box 283, Mattituck 11952
Mrs. Valerie M. Kramer, P.O. Box 1360,'Southold 11971
Mr. & Mrs. Thomas Santacroce, 75 Shipyard La, East Marion 11939
J. Kevin McLaughlin, Esq., P.O. Box 803, Greenport 11944
Karen Hagen, Esq., P.O. Box 1424, Mattituck 11952
Mr. Curt Meyhoefer, 2195 Albertson Lane, Southold 11971 Mrs.
Mrs. Marie D. Cassidy, 2055 Albertson Lane, Southold 11971
Mr. Thomas J. Gorman, P.O. Box 1445, Mattituck 11952
Proper-T Services, P.O. Box 617, Cutchogue 11935
William D. Moore, Esq., P.O. Box 23, Mattituck 11952
Mr. Arthur G. Carlson, P.O. Box 693, Southold 11971
John Wagner, Esq., P.O. Box 279, Riverhead 11901
Philip J. Cardinale, Esq., Drawer W, Jamesport 11947
Marie Ongioni, Esq., P.O. Box 562, Greenport 11944
Charles R. Cuddy, Esq., P.O. Box 1547, Riverhead 11901
APPEALS BOARD
MEMBERS
GERARD P. GOEHRINGER, CHAIRMAN
CHARLES GR[GONIS, JR.
SERGE DOYEN, JR.
JOSEPH H. SAWICKI
JAMES DINIZIO, JR.
Southold Town Board of Appeals
MAIN Rr'IAD- -~TATE R[3AD 25 SOIITHI3LD, L.l., N.Y. 11971
TELEPHONE (516)765-1809
Date: October 17, 199~0
UNLISTED ACTION
Notice of Determination of Non-Significance
Appeal No. 3975
Project/Applicants:
County Tax Map No.
Location of Project:
Arthur G. Carlson
1000- 69-5-13.2
1575 Lower Road, Southold, NY
Relief Requested/Jurisdiction before this Board in this Project:
Approval of mariculture uses
This Notice is issued pursuant to Part 617 of the
implementing regulations pertaining to Article 8 of the
N.Y.S. Environmental Quality Review Act of the Environmental
Conservation Law and 5ocal Law #44-4 of the Town of Southold.
An Environmental Assessment (Short) Form has been submitted
with the subject application indicating that no significant
adverse environmental effects are likely to occur should be
project be implemented as planned, ahd:
{ X } this Board assumes Lead Agency status and determines
this project to be an Unlisted Action (uncoordinated) noting
these findings:
{ , } the project is proposed in an area with land
contours 10 or more feet above mean sea level;
{ ~} the area seaward of.th~ proposed construction is
bulkheaded;
{~ } the project-is proposed landward of existing
structures;
{ } this Board does not wish to be Lead Agency since the
area of jurisdiction is minimal and not directly related to new
construction (such as nonconforming use variance or use permits);
{ } this Board wishes to assume Lead Agency status and
urges coordinated written comments by your agency to be
submitted within the next 20 days.
For more information, please contact our office.
Copies to: Planning Board, Town Trustees, N.Y.S.D.E.C.
Suffolk County Department of Health Services.
and/or
JUDITH T. TERRY
TOWN CLERK
REGISTRAR OF VITAL STATISTICS
OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
FAX (516) 765-1823
TELEPHONE (516) 765-1801
TO:
FROM:
RE:
DATE:
SOUTHOLD TOWN ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
JUDITH T. TERRY, $OUTHOLD TOWN CLERK
ZONING APPEAL NO. 3975, ARTHUR G. CARLSON
SEPTEMBER 5, 1990
Transmitted is application for variance submitted by Arthur G. Carlson;
notification to adjacent property owners; short environmental assessment
form; notice of disapproval from the Building Department; copy of survey;
building plan; and other documents relative to this application.
Judith T. Terry
Southold TOwn Clerk
STATEMENT OF OPPOSITION BY ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE
PETITION OF ARTHURJ. CARLSON TO THE BOARD OF APPEALS OF THE TOWN
OF SOUTHOLD
On the matter of a request for a variance for the property of
Arthur J. Carlson (see attached survey) currently located in an
AGricultural Conservation District to: ProcessinG. sortinq, Packinq
and Storing Seafood.
We, the undersigned adjacent property owners, oppose this request
for a variance, for the following reasons:
-Mr. Carlson already processes seafood on his property, polluting
the air with foul odors, which have at times caused nausea in
residents on adjacent properties.
-The granting of a variance in this Aaricultural Conservation
District to Processina. Sorting. Packing and Storin~ Seafood will
set a negative precedent and without a doubt create irreparable
damage to its existing value as a residential area. It will as a
result lower property values, which the undersigned find
unacceptable.
The undersigned therefore respectfully request that the Petition of.
Arthur J. Carlson for a variance be refused.
Dated:
Adjacent property owners
/. ¢,!-.. ..
APPEALS BOARD MEMBERS
Gerard P. Goehringer, Chairman
Charles Grigonis, Jr.
Serge Doyen, Jr.
Joseph H. Sawicld
James Dinizio, Jr.
Telephone (516) 765-1809
BOARD OF APPEALS
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
SCOTF L. HARRIS
Supervisor
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, New York 11971
Fax (516) 765-1823
Telephone (516) 765-1800
October 23, 1990
Mr. Andrew Moraillon
225 Central Park West
New York, NY 10024
Re: Variance Application of Arthur Carlsen
Dear Mr. Moraillon:
Please find enclosed a copy of the Legal Notice of Hearings for
our November 1, 1990 Regular Meeting, at which the above matter
has been scheduled. Since the application of Arthur Carlsen has
been advertised as directed by resolution of the Board, the
hearing must be held on November 1, 1990.
You may have someone represent you in the event you are not able
to attend, and you may also, of course, submit your concerns or
statements to us in writing.
There is a'possibility that the hearing would be continued at
another meeting of the Board, however, it is recommended at this
time that a representative attend or written concerns be
furnished.
Very truly yours,
lk
Enclosure
GERARD p. GOEHRINGER
CHAIRMAN
SEP ,~ lgS0 'rOWN OF SOUTHOLD, NLrW YORK
APIIIIIILa~ISION OF BUILDING INSPECTOR
TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, TOWN OF SOUTHOLD, N. Y.
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Name of Appellant Street and Number
.................. ~,..'~.~1.~ .......................................................... S~..~/.....HEREBY APPEAL TO
Municipality
THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FROM THE DECISION OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR ON
WHEREBY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DENIED TO
....... ....... ......................
Name of Applicant for permit
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Street and Number - Municipality State
(V) PERMIT TO USE
( ) PERMIT FOR OCCUPANCY
( )
1. LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY .-/'~.~...~I~.../~..~......,,~ID~. .................... ~.~...~....~... ............
Street /Haml~rn]e't-.q:-/ Use District on Zoning Map
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Map No. Lot No. Prior Owner
2. PROVISION (S) OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE APPEALED (Indicate the Article Section, Sub-
section and Paragraph of the Zoning Ordinance by number. Do not quote the Ordinance.)
^rticle Z22~' Section
3. ~'YPE OF APPEAL Appeal is made herewith for (please check e box)
(l/) A VARIANCE to the Zoning Ordinance or Zoning Map
( ) A VARIANCE due to lack of access (State of New York Town Low Chap. 62 Cons. Laws
Art. 16 Sec. 280A Subsection 3
()
4. PREVIOUS APPEAL A previous appeal (has~ been made with respect to this decision
of the Building Inspector or with respect to this property.
Such appeal was ( ) request for a special permit
( ) request for a variance
and was made in Appea! No ................................. Doted ......................................................................
( )
REASON FOR APPEAL
A Variance to Section 280A Subsection 3
A Variance to the Zoning Ordinance
is requested for the reason that
Porrn ZBI
(Continue on other side)
REASON FOR APPEAL
Continued
I. STRICT APPLICATION OF THE ORDINANCE would produce proctical all~l~l~i~r~n~ces-
soryHARDSHIPbecause ~/4.~" "~¢l~4'/j/y h~ b~ ~J~ ~ /JV~e
in~ et~im~me~liote
vicinity of this property and in this use district because
~a '~ ~&~ o~ ~e~ ~i,,~s b7 ~~d
3. The Variance would observe the spirit of the Ordinance and WOULD NOT CHANGE THE
CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT because
Sworn to this .............................................. day of ............... 19 ~"
Notary Public
BOARD OF APPEALS, TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
to the Board of Appeals of the Town of $outhold :
TO:
-----" NOTICE
TO
ADJACENT
PROPERTY OWNER
YOU ARE HEREBY GIVEN NOTICE:
1. Th,~"r~ intention of tile undersigned to p~i14rbfi the Board of Appeals of the Town
toreques! ~ariance~(Special Exception)(SPecial Permit) (Other) [cite'Er cho±ce]
2. That the property which is tbje subject of the Petition is located adiacent to your property and is des-
cribed as follows:
3. T~)i~t the prop~r~y which ~ the/~biect of such/Petition is located in the,following zoning dislfict.~
4 That h,~ sudl Petition, the undersigned will request tile following relief:
$. That the provisions of the Southold Town Zoning Code applicable t? the relief sought by the under-
signed are Article ~ Sect/on /~/')~
r ] Section 200-^, New York Town Law for approval of access over right(s)-of-way.'
6. That within five days from the date hereof, a written Petition requesting the relief specified above will
be filed in the Southold Town Clerk's Office at Main Road Southold, New York and you may then and there
examine the same during regular office hours. (516)
7. That before the relief sought may be granted, a public hearing must be he~d on the matter by the
Board of Appeals; that a notice of such hearing must be published at least five days prior to the date of such
hearing in the Suffolk Times and in the Long Island Traveler-Mattituck Watchman, newspapers published in the
Town of Southold and designated for the publication of such notices; that you or your representative have the
right to appear and be heard at such hearing.
Dated:
Petitioner
Owners 'Names: /~k~ _(~'. ~'l~'O-~l
Post O~fice Address
Tel. No. m&o
[Copy of sketch
purposes.]
or plan showing proposal to be
attached for convenience
P 1~6 073 ~52
RECEIPT FOR CERTIFIED MAIL
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RECE PT F~R CERTIFIED MAiL
NO m ANCECOVER^GEP~OV!DEO
FOR INTEflNA['~ONAL MA!L
~(~S~o Reverse)
PROOF OF MAILING OF NOTICF
""'"%CH CERTIFIED MAIL RECEIPTS
ADDRESS
P 166 B73 648
RECEIPT FOR CERTIFIED
NO iNSURANCE COVERAGE PROVIDED
NOT FOR ~NTERNATIONAL MALL
(See Reverse)
Postage
Certified Fee
E
[registered) mail.
~d says that on the ~"~ day
~. ~ he Notice set forth on the re-
the above-named persons at the addresses set opposite their respective
.. the names of said persons are the addresses of said persons as shown on
vr~ of Southold; that said Notices were mailed at the United States Post Of-
'"( ~/- ; that sa d Nol~ces were maded to each of sa~d persons by
Sworn to b/efore me this
day of ,
Notary Public
HELENE D. HORNE
NOtaly Public, State of New Yon
NO. 4951364
~ualified in Suffolk Cour t,
Commission Expires May '"' l'¢ ¢/
(This side does not have to be completed on form transmitted to adjoining
property owners.)