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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2/22/16 Meeting Minutes • OFFICE LOCATION: �r,�ri —.._ MAILING ADDRESS: Town Hall Annex iii�Q SQ jf�jy, F.O.Box 1179 54375 State Route 25 t,,r®4 al Southold,NY 11971 (cor.Main Rd. &Youngs Ave.) t Southold, NY - * , Telephone: 631 765-1938 cn k www.southoldtownny.gov g,t it courtvfot PLANNING BOARD OFFICE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD PUBLIC MEETING MINUTES February 22, 2016 6:00 p.m. Present were: James H. Rich Ill, Vice Chairman William J. Cremers, Member Martin Sidor, Member Heather Lanza, Planning Director Brian Cummings, Planner Alyxandra Sabatino, Planner Jessica Michaelis, Clerk Typist SETTING OF THE NEXT PLANNING BOARD MEETING Vice-Chairmen Rich: Chairman Wilcenski is under the weather today and I am Vice- Chairman Rich and I will be running the meeting tonight to the best of my ability. Vice-Chairman Rich: The first order of business is for the Board to set Monday, March 7, 2016 at 4:30 p.m. at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, as the time and place for the next regular Planning Board Meeting. William Cremers: So moved. Martin Sidor: Second. Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Bill seconded by Martin. Any discussion? Opposed? All in favor? Ayes. Motion has passed. Southold Town Planning Board P3ge I2 February 22, 2016 SUBDIVISIONS - STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT (SEQRA) SEQRA Type Classifications: Vice-Chairman Rich: The Estates at Royalton - This proposal is for a Standard Subdivision of a 36.9 acre parcel into 12 lots where Lots 1-11 equal 0.7 acres, and Lot 12 equals 12 acres, located in the A-C Zoning District. This subdivision includes 15.2 acres of open space and 1.7 acres for a proposed road. The property is located at 55 Cox Neck Road, approximately 490 feet north of Sound Avenue, Mattituck. SCTM#1000-113-7-19.23 Martin Sidor: WHEREAS, this proposal is for a Standard Subdivision of a 36.9 acre parcel into 12 lots where Lots 1-11 equal 0.7 acres, and Lot 12 equals 12 acres, located in the A-C Zoning District. This subdivision includes 15.2 acres of open space and 1.7 acres for a proposed road; and WHEREAS, the Southold Town Planning Board, pursuant to State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) 6 NYCRR, Part 617, has determined that the proposed action is an Unlisted Action as it does not meet any of the thresholds of a Type I Action, nor does it meet any of the criteria on the Type II list of actions; be it therefore RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board has determined that this proposed action is an Unlisted Action under SEQRA as described above. William Cremers: Second. Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Martin seconded by Bill. Any discussion? Opposed? All in favor? Ayes. Motion has passed. SITE PLANS Approval Extensions: Vice-Chairman Rich: G.W. Meade Farm - This approved Site Plan is for the construction of a 5,200 sq. ft. horse barn connecting to a 14,400 sq. ft. indoor arena for the keeping/breeding/raising and training of horses and a riding academy with 10 parking spaces. Also on the property are a 1,140 sq. ft. single-family dwelling, a 1,965 sq. ft. frame barn and a 700 sq. ft. frame building on 10.004 acres in the A-C Zoning Southold Town Planning Board Page J 3 February 22, 2016 District. The property is located at 1375 Ackerly Pond Lane, 1,100'±West of Lower Road &Ackerly Pond Lane, Southold. SCTM#1000-69-5-7.1 William Cremers: WHEREAS, this Site Plan is for the proposed construction of a 5,200 sq. ft. horse barn connecting to a 14,400 sq. ft. indoor arena for the keeping/breeding/raising and training of horses and a riding academy with 10 parking spaces. Also on the property are a 1,140 sq. ft. single-family dwelling, a 1,965 sq. ft. frame barn and a 700 sq. ft. frame building on 10.004 acres in the A-C Zoning District, Southold; and WHEREAS, on April 8, 2013, the Planning Board granted approval to the Site Plan entitled "G.W. Mead Horse Farm", dated May 31, 2011, last revised February 19, 2013, prepared by John T. Metzger; and WHEREAS, on March 25, 2015 and November 18, 2015, the Planning Board notified the applicant that Site Plan Approval had expired; and WHEREAS, on January 8, 2016, Brian Glenn, owner, submitted a letter requesting an Extension of Site Plan Approval and provided reasoning that the Approved Site Plan was not completed due to time, scope and expense of the project; and WHEREAS, at a Work Session held on February 8, 2016, the Planning Board reviewed the application and determined that the expired Site Plan is in compliance with current rules and regulations; be it therefore RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board grants an Extension of Site Plan Approval with one (1) condition for one (1) year from February 22, 2016 to February 22, 2017 on the Site Plan entitled "G.W. Mead Horse Farm", dated May 31, 2011, last revised February 19, 2013, prepared by John T. Metzger. Condition: Provide the renewal of the approval received by the Suffolk County Department of Health Services (SCDHS) and submit a print of the renewed Site Plan that includes the SCDHS stamp to this Department. Martin Sidor: Second. Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Bill seconded by Martin. Any discussion? Opposed? All in favor? Ayes. Motion has passed. Southold Town Planning Board Page 14 February 22, 2016 PUBLIC HEARINGS Vice-Chairman Rich: 6:01 p.m. - Ridgway Standard Subdivision - This proposal is to subdivide a 9.6 acre parcel into 3 clustered lots where Lot 1 equals 4.3 acres inclusive of 3.8 acres of open space and 1.4 acres of unbuildable land, Lot 2 equals 1.6 acres and Lot 3 equals 3.7 acres inclusive of 2.0 acres of Open Space and 0.8 acres of unbuildable land. The parcel is located in the R-80 Zoning District. The property is located at 1588 Fox Avenue, on the west side of Fox Avenue and adjacent to Hay Harbor, on Fishers Island. SCTM#1000-6-1-3 Anyone wishing to address the Planning Board on this item please step forward, state your name and write your name. Any representative of the owner? Anyone wishing to address the Planning Board? Because of lack of complete notice, this hearing will be held open until the next Planning Board Public Meeting, March 7, 2016. William Cremers: So moved. Martin Sidor: Second. Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Bill seconded by Martin. Any discussion? Opposed? All in favor? Ayes. Motion has passed to hold the hearing open. HEARINGS HELD OVER FROM PREVIOUS MEETING Vice-Chairman Rich: Biggane &Yenicay- This proposed Lot Line Change will transfer 1.2 acres from SCTM#1000-95-1-11.2 to SCTM#1000-83-1-33 & 34. Lot 11.2 will decrease from 19.7 acres to 18.5 acres. Lot 33 will increase from 1.9 acres to 2.5 acres, and Lot 34 will increase from 2.1 acres to 2.6 acres located in the R-80 &A-C Zoning Districts. This project includes the proposed sale of Development Rights to the Town of Southold upon 18.57 acres located on SCTM#1000-95-1-11.2. The property is located at 8865, 8869 and 8871 Oregon Road, on the north side of Oregon Road, approximately 525' west of Duck Pond Road, in Cutchogue. Anyone wishing to address the Planning Board on this item please step forward, state your name and please sign your name. Anyone? William Cremers: Hearing none I make a motion to close the hearing. Martin Sidor: Second. Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Bill seconded by Martin. Any discussion? Opposed? All in favor? Southold Town Planning Board Page 1 5 February 22, 2016 Ayes. Motion has passed to close the hearing. Vice-Chairman Rich: The Heritage at Cutchogue - This proposed Residential Site Plan is for the development of 124 detached and attached dwellings classified in three types: 48 "Type A" units (1,999 +/- sq. ft. livable area), 72 "Type B" units (1,599 +1- sq. ft. livable area) and 4 "Type "C" units (1,999 +1- sq. ft. livable area). In addition, there are proposed the following: a 6,188 sq. ft. community center with a ±1,125 sq. ft. outdoor swimming pool, one tennis court, 284 parking spaces of which 256 are associated with the individual dwelling units and 28 are associated with the community center, and various other associated site improvements, on a vacant 46.17-acre parcel in the Hamlet Density (HD) Zoning District located at 75 Schoolhouse Road, on the n/w corner of Griffing Street and Schoolhouse Road, approximately 1,079 feet n/o the Main Road, in Cutchogue. SCTM#1000-102-1-33.3 This hearing was held open from January, we have received many written comments and have read them, and they are all part of our record. The applicants attorney will speak first, then people who didn't speak last time are invited to speak next, then if people would like to address the Board for a second time. We can use both podiums, when you step forward state your name and write your name. We would appreciate everyone's cooperation tonight and we will take a break at 7:30 pm if the hearing lasts that long. John Wagner: Good evening Mr. Rich and Members of the Board. My name is John Wagner, I'm the attorney for the applicant and I just want to make a couple of quick comments at the offset with regard to a couple issues that came up at the last hearing and particularly a letter that was submitted from PW Grosser Engineers, I'll start off with that. There was a letter that was submitted, dated January 11, 2016 from PW Grosser Consultants which indicated two essential points. One is they take issue with the calculation of sanitary flow that has been stated in the DEIS, they claim that the square footage of the B1 unit is actually 1,994 square feet, that statement is actually based on a typo that appears on one of the plans that was included in the DEIS. In fact as indicated in the text of the DEIS all of the B units that are proposed are under 1,599 square feet; in fact the B1 unit precisely is to be 1,550 square feet. So based upon that square footage for the B1 units they actually are allowed 150 gallons per day when you calculate the sanitary flow for them, not 225 gallons per day as indicated in the Grosser letter. I understand how Grosser may have seen the plans and came up with the higher number but as I say there is a typo, the correct number is set forth in the text of the DEIS. Based upon the correct numbers the actual sanitary flow for all the proposed 124 units is 22,500 gallons per day which is within the Suffolk County Health Department standards. The other point that is raised in the Grosser letter has to do with the proposed basements in the units, and the point is made that there is a sliding basement window that has been proposed which could possibly be in excess of 5.7 square feet in area and would therefore qualify as an emergency egress window. We have Southold Town Planning Board Page 16 February 22, 2016 considered this comment and we prepare to represent that those windows will actually be under 5.7 square feet, there will be no possibility that they can be considered an emergency egress window and therefore there is no possibility the basement area could be future habitual space on that ground, so I point those two things out to you. The other thing I wanted to bring to your attention briefly is I've mentioned before and we've also mentioned in the text of the DEIS that the applicant has been in an ongoing dialogue with the Suffolk County Department of Health Services, even though we technically comply with their sanitary flow requirements we have been looking actively at alternative technologies that would result in a reduced nitrogen loading from the proposed units and that discussion has been ongoing. There was a very fruitful, I think, meeting that took place on January 26tth among the Health department officials and the project engineers and other officials who were present and I wanted to put into the record a letter from the project engineers VHB Engineering dated February 1, 2016 that recounts that meeting that took place. I also have a letter dated February 10, 2016 from the Department of Health responding to that particular letter. I will just hand those up at this time. What came out of that meeting was that as I may have mentioned before there are several pilot testing's that are going on on alternative technologies for sanitary disposal, these project testing's are well under way and data has been coming in and based upon the initial data that has been received it appears that yes in fact there's going to be very substantial nitrogen reduction that will result from the use of these alternative technology systems. We've indicated previously that we would consider using those systems in our project and I can tell you tonight that we will definitely use those systems going forward, I say that based upon the input that we have from the Suffolk County Department of Health. They have not only indicated that they are getting favorable results from these but they are also starting a new phase of testing to evaluate long term effectiveness of the systems in question and they are also in the process, as you can see from their letter, they're in the process of actually drafting amendments to the Suffolk County Health regulations that would allow these types of alternative systems to be approved, not only for single family use but also for multifamily use such as we're proposing. We're looking to be on the vanguard of that wave if you will and we are going to be using those. We do that, I say that because the Health Department has indicated that even if the regulations are not drafted in time they will support our application before the Health Department Board of Review to use these systems until those regulations come forward, so based upon that it's what we're planning to do and I think that some of the speakers we had at the last meeting were very concerned about groundwater impact, this applicant is doing everything we can to address those impacts given the technology that's becoming available, not even available yet but becoming available. We also learned interestingly enough that these systems that are being tested right now are appropriate for retrofitting of existing septic systems in single family residences so I would suggest that anybody that's interested they might want to consider if they live near the waterbodies in the town to consider placing these systems on their property in lieu of what they are using now. I think as on the whole before these systems go online you're going to see an overall reduction of nitrogen impacts in the Town of Southold. Thank you. Southold Town Planning Board Page 17 February 22, 2016 Vice-Chairman Rich: Thank you. Anyone else wish to address, we can use both podiums and we would ask the people who haven't had the chance to speak to be given , a first chance. You can sign your name after you've spoken. Joseph Polashock: My name is Joe Polashock and I live in New Suffolk. I will be speaking for myself and the New Suffolk Civic Association, I'm the Vice-President. Basically we have great concern about this project being on the downstream end especially. I'm glad to hear that their speaking to the septic issues in a positive way but you also have paving and runoff from parking areas etcetera, just a generally greater increase flow of water. As we know this is a big push from the bulldozers 20,000 years ago and it all runs downhill from the sound down to the bay. There is a lot of clay in the ground and after our last hurricane there with the greater high-water that we saw, we saw a lot of historic flood areas and water courses opened and we can see where the water comes from, it comes from the sound side down to the bay. We've got a lot of seasonal closures and a lot of problems with the water quality, the County is quite often taking water samples and I just hope that they do get on top of this to make sure that we can mitigate. What's happening to our shell fishing industry, the water in general and last year with the fish die off a lot of that was caused by introduced nitrates etcetera. I'd just like to see some positive action, you people, the County, whoever can help up and again I appreciate their attempts and if we can somehow address the traffic that just going to generate, the fact that there's going to be a lot of spill over and parking issues, especially in New Suffolk with our beach, which is a constant ongoing problem. The beach operates at capacity most every weekend all summer long and as year round residents we learned that after the beginning of the season you don't make left turns, we don't need more traffic. I know we can't stop people from moving ahead financially with projects like this but we have to, I hope consider what's happening to our area here, it's getting to be an untamable situation as far as driving and just generally getting around during the summer with the crowds, especially during the weekends. The season now runs basically from Memorial Day right through pumpkin picking season. Those are my concerns and the concerns of the New Suffolk Civic Association and thank you for your time. Vice-Chairman Rich: Thank you. Please put your name down. Albert Krupski: Good evening, Al Krupski of Cutchogue. I'd like to speak as an elected official representing Suffolk County in the first district. Suffolk County has the jurisdiction for wastewater treatment through the Health Department and over the years I know the Town has appealed to them many times to do something other than the standard septic system. So really thanks to the County executive, he's really been instrumental in pushing the Health Department to making some really substantial changes. There was a septic tour that was done a few years ago, staff from DPW and the Health Department and Planning went out and looked at different septic systems throughout the northeast, trying to find systems that are compatible to our climate and our soils. And they came back with four companies representing six different systems, and they convinced these companies to do nineteen pilots throughout the whole County and they wanted to make sure, the pilots, they put them in individual residences to Southold Town Planning Board Page 18 February 22, 2016 make sure that they'd be available for the public to come and take a look at or any other officials to take a look at so they could see how they're working. And they're doing extensive testing on those systems also to make sure that they're going to meet the standards that they hoped they would meet and that they were meeting in other areas in the northeast. Now based on those pilots I've been encouraging the Health Department, Suffolk County Planning and DPW to do more, to keep going with those pilots because right now those systems aren't available for general use. As John Wagner said they have not changed the Health code yet and I've been told it will be June or July before they actually make those changes. The County administration is dedicated towards making those changed and they're also dedicated towards advanced wastewater treatment. So it is very encouraging and I know I've got a ten year history with this project, as a Town office and then as a County official, it's very encouraging to have the applicant and the Health Department really come together and be willing to do a pilot here because the systems that are being proposed here aren't approved, it's going to be considered a pilot and the County will do testing on the system to make sure it performs the way that it should. So that's, we're moving forward here kind of into a new age, these will be systems that will be, not single systems but rather more units, three or four units connected to each one, and that's what the proposal was and that has support I think from everyone in the County. Vice-Chairman Rich: Thank you, please sign your name. Anyone wishing to address us they can use the other side, if you haven't spoken before. Paul Romanelli: Good evening my name is Paul Romanelli, I live at 90 Bridle Court in Cutchogue. I've never quite been completely opposed to the project but I always had concerns about density, traffic and runoff as many other people have. At the last time I spoke my biggest concern was seeing that the builder and the developer take a leadership position in reducing nitrogen and coming up with other solutions and it appears that they're on the right track. So I am in favor of moving forward with this if all the other issues can be resolved. And furthermore what I would like to state is that perhaps since this is a pilot program that the Town and the Planning Board look at this for the future on all, not just new but existing cesspools and sewage systems as they age. I'm in the life safety business, the past year New York State mandated Carbon Monoxide detectors in all existing home and this is along the same lines, helping keep people safe and improving our environment. I think this is a great approach and a good leadership role for both the Town to take the first on this, perhaps will be the first development on Long Island that has this type of system and I think it's a great move forward. Thank you. Vice-Chairman Rich: Please sign your name, thank you for your comments. We can move up to the podiums, either side and make it go a little quicker. Anyone wish to address the Board? Nancy Bertorello: Good evening, my name is Nancy Bertorello I live in Cutchogue and have for 50 years and I would love to be able to retire to Cutchogue. My grandchildren are in school and I would like my taxes to go the school, my husband and I would like to Southold Town Planning Board Page ( 9 February 22, 2016 downsize we have a large piece of property that we maintain. It would be nice to have someone mow our lawn and take care of us in our more mature years, but to be able to stay in my town is very important. We've all grown up here and I think this is a plus for our town as well as'Mattituck and Peconic and Southold. I really wouldn't consider going to Greenport to retire, Cutchogue is my town and I think this is a very nice, extremely well thought out subdivision that I would certainly hope you gave consideration to, thank you. Vice-Chairman Rich: Thank you for your comments. Kelly Evers: Hi my name is Kelly Evers, I would like to thank the Planning Board for the opportunity to address my concerns and objections to The Heritage project. I agree with the concerns regarding the groundwater, the waterways, the drinking-water, the natural resources and protecting them in our area but what I would like to address is a concern I feel is not getting enough attention, is the impact the traffic would have in the area and more specifically on Schoolhouse Road, that is where I live. When I see other project, big projects like this in this scale coming, being built in my travels around Long Island I see that they're built on roads that are better equipped to accommodate than Schoolhouse Road, highways such as Sunrise Highway, Nichols Road, Route 48, roads that are built for traffic and not for families. Schoolhouse Road is a small residential street without sidewalks and a blind corner that is located at the area where Heritage entrance, the only entrance and exit that is planned for this development, a few feet away is a campground, an elementary school and the Mattituck-Cutchogue School District sports fields, not to mention the small neighborhood, noone seems to be addressing that. The neighborhood in which I live, where my husband and I are raising our four children, the neighborhood where I walk my dogs and enjoy running, the neighborhood where my children ride their bicycles and scooters, and enjoy playing outdoors, this area is not equipped to accommodate this traffic, Schoolhouse Road will essentially turn into a driveway for The Heritage project. If this project is built the population of Cutchogue will increase 15% and all of those cars would be forced to go onto and funneled into Schoolhouse Road. Entering and exiting Heritage and that's the development part. The building part will be a nightmare for us, the five years that it will take to build our lives will be on bold, it will be terrible. How would you feel if your small narrow street that you were raising your family on became a thruway to funnel 15% of the Towns traffic for a development that doesn't belong? This development would grossly and negatively impact the lives of the families that live on Schoolhouse Road as well as the surrounding neighborhoods, it would be unsafe and irresponsible to allow this project to go, it does not belong on Schoolhouse Road. Thank you. Vice-Chairman Rich: Thank you for your comments. Lauren Grant: My name is Lauren Grant, I live in New Suffolk. I am concerned about the size of this project, I am very concerned about how our services will be able to handle the people living in this project and I don't understand why the Town would even consider building something of this nature in a village whose roads cannot handle additional traffic or in a town that cannot service the needs of its people. It will present Southold Town Planning Board 'a c a 110 February 22, 2016 life threatening hardships on the local services such as the police and fire departments, they cannot manage the load they have now; outside assistance has already been called in to help the fire department on weekdays when emergency calls come in. Even our library has reached its limit with,it 2007 renovation; they do not need another 256 members. Someone has to be responsible, someone has to be accountable, someone has to say no, someone has to downsize this project. There do not appear to be any good reasons allowing it to go through at its present size, the responsible thing for the Planning Board to do is to say no, it's time to downsize. The responsible thing for the Town to do is say no, it's time to downsize. Thank you so much. Vice-Chairman Rich: Thank you for your comments, please write your name. Nancy Sawastynowicz: My family has lived in Cutchogue just shy of 100 years. Vice-Chairman Rich: Can you state your name ma'am? Nancy Sawastynowicz: Nancy Sawastynowicz of Cutchogue. I was raised to be part of our community, respect the natural resources not pave over with high density condos. The spot-zone change done 30 years ago was not done in respect of the environment of the north fork it was done in good old boy fashion, so a few greedy developers could make money. If we had honest politicians this spot zone would never have taken place and the Stipulation of Settlement with the developer would have not happened either. • The Stipulation of Settlement with the developer does not require sewage treatment for the condominium project, its outrageous if this high density development is allowed to pollute our north fork. We already have drinking waters being pumped in from Riverhead aquifer loaded with chlorine, I drink my well water and cannot tolerate chlorine. I would like a Stipulation of Settlement for the people that live here to have our well water protected from all The Heritage high density sewage and when it pollutes our drinking water and our bays the developer is responsible to clean up the bays and our well water. The density is too high for the north fork. I take offense with this project being a gated community and the fact that they want to shove the low income housing requirement somewhere else, this is not what the north fork is about. Do we really need a large condo city in the middle of a rural town? I take offense that the project will give a tax break because they are condos, we need housing for the working families who live here not wealthy second home owners, which is already happening big time. I hear young families all the time complaining we cannot afford to live here. This project is not about our community, their plan is private gated development for The Heritage condos only but the plan says the nearby park in Cutchogue Village Green is being called additional area of open space that, quote, additional areas of open space exist via a nearby park which provides additional open space and recreational opportunities for residents, end quote. So they're going to use our parks but we can't go into theirs? We the people will be kept out of The Heritage but they are already claiming our Village Green. The traffic now is so bad that we have rush hour traffic year round, what will all the extra cars from a high density project do to the small village of Cutchogue? Please maintain and protect our quality of life, thank you very much. Southold Town Planning Board Page 1 11 February 22, 2016 Vice-Chairman Rich: Thank you for your comments. Mr. Wacker? Tom Wacker: Hi, Tom Wacker 760 Old Pasture Road. I am speaking in opposition to The Heritage. Nancy you did a good job you stole a lot of my thunder here, but I just want to reiterate some of this that the traffic out here from Memorial Day to Thanksgiving is just a nightmare every weekend and the beaches are so over congested. I lived down on West Road in Cutchogue for about 10 years and the cars would park, every weekend, on both sides of the street, there's a blind hill, someone is going to get killed coming over that hill with kids walking to the beach. We are just overcrowding ourselves too much and I don't know why a rural community like this needs a great big project like this. Of course the overriding issue really has to be the wastewater, and the project has been carefully designed to emit as much wastewater as possible while remaining under the limits determined by Suffolk County Health Services. Now it's nice to hear that now their finally being dragged into considering wastewater treatment or denitrification but clearly it wasn't their intention in the first place so I do ask that you hold their feet to the fire and make sure that this comes to pass. Thanks very much. Vice-Chairman Rich: Be sure to sign your name please. Yes ma'am? Edana Cichanowicz: My name is Edana Cichanowicz and I live at 625 Schoolhouse Road, and I'm speaking for my husband and myself, my husband William, we are a farming family. I spoke against this project a few years ago, I just wanted to reiterate three concerns that I think not only we have as a farming family but all of the residents, long time residents and farmers in the north fork have, and that is the water quality. I've lived in a third world country where you couldn't drink the water and nothing in news reportage locally has made me feel confident at all about the way water systems are handled in this country. I just heard of another town where the entire Board has fled and the FBI has put out warrants for them because sledge is coming out of the taps, now okay a little bit of hyperbole I admit but I ask the Board to be as careful and conservative in the finest meaning of the word as you can be when you touch upon the water supply, it's irreplaceable and we can't live without it. My second issue is just the issue of suburbanization following what I call an eminent domain model. If this is the thin end of the wedge this project will be like Middle Road in Riverhead, when I went to Mercy High School from the football field all there were behind north for Mercy High School were farm fields and open space. If we wanted to live in Centereach we would've moved to Centereach and we've seen what's happened up the island, that we had that suburbanization, that suburban sprawl that it ugly and is indeed dangerous because of the traffic. My third concern is that every time that we have the opportunity as a family to come and vote to tax ourselves voluntarily to preserve open space my family does that and I ask you to remember that we have done this and I think that the Town Board should be aware that there will be political consequences if this project goes through and we're spited because we really do care about the rural nature of the north fork. Thank you, if I sounded a little angry I'm just very passionate and I thank you for listening to me. Southold Town Planning Board P a cl e 1 12 February 22, 2016 Vice-Chairman Rich: Thank you very much. Yes Sir? Ed Faszcewski: My name is Ed Faszcewski I live on Highland Road. They're saying they are going to use Schoolhouse Road and Griffing Avenue road, I find that totally, totally BS because they're going to be using Highland because we're much wider than Schoolhouse Road. We don't need their traffic, because they can jump off Spur and just make like a dirt road, I don't want to see every cement tuck, every building supply truck coming down my road with all the children we have on that road. And then about the sewer, we've fought for temics to take out of our groundwater. When I was born I was born in Cutchogue, my family's home is on the Main Road right where I live, that was all farm land, we're trying to keep it like that. I don't need a hundred and some odd units, that look like Avalon in Huntington. We don't need the traffic, because when I get out onto the Main Road from Highland I take my life in the hands because they are coming west and you can't believe the speed they are. My biggest thing is why should the people of Cutchogue leave it to the Planning Board, the Town Board to make the decision whether they're going to build on our land, it's our land. Why don't we just make it a vote, have all the people and residents of Cutchogue make it a vote so they vote yes or no to build this project. Why do we have to leave it to a bunch of individuals to say okay, you build it, pardon my French, screw the people of Cutchogue and that's exactly what you're going to do to us. Thank you. Vice-Chairman Rich: Thank you for your comments. Tom Foster: My name is Tom Foster, I live at 1545 Bridle Lane I am an adjacent property owner to this project and I don't mind having new neighbors. I don't have any opposition to the project, I think it's great what they're doing with the new septic's and the open space and the pool. I mean if I had a pool I wouldn't go to the beach, so I don't think it's going to be a'problem. Thank you. Vice-Chairman Rich: Thank you for your comments. Anyone else wish to address the Board on this issue? Anyone that spoke at the last meeting want to step forward? Benia Schwartz: We're missing a couple of people here but I have some notes that maybe youd like to have a copy of. Vice-Chairman Rich: Thank you Benja. Benja don't forget you're addressing the Board. Benja Schwartz: Absolutely, or 3/5 of the Board. Vice-Chairman Rich: That's beyond my control. Benia Schwartz: Listen I am glad that you are here and I'm glad that we have a chance to speak with you tonight. I am addressing the Board but I will say that I think we can comment on what previous people said, about they're going to use the systems to reduce nitrogen loading. I'm very grateful for that concession on the part of the developer and I hope that the Board will enforce that as a requirement of the project. Southold Town Planning Board P a g e 1 13 February 22, 2016 You know I work in a doctor's office and we give out a lot of medication, but medication does not alone guarantee health. Just treating the sewage that's like a kind of a reducing one aspect but there was no mention of reducing the extremely excessive water use that is proposed for this project, including significant amount of water pumped from the mainland of Long Island, Riverhead, to be used for irrigating the landscaping. Health requires a lot of things, diet, exercise, social network, we don't have time to talk about all that today. Another speaker prior to me spoke about her attachment to Cutchogue and she wants you to approve this project so that she can stay here, but it seems pretty obvious that if the project is approved, at least in the form its proposed, nobody will be able to stay here because here won't be here anymore it'll be forever changing the nature of not just Cutchogue but the north fork. And I'm sorry there are not more people here from other parts of the north fork but I have communicated with people even in the Village of Greenport that are sympathetic and that don't feel that we need to make this kind of a permitting luxury housing to be built at right times the density that other farmers are using their land. The Draft Environmental Impact Statement which we're here to comment on tonight has a lot of pages in it, I think the main body of it was close to 300 and then there was appendixes that exceeded that number, more than most books. They say you shouldn't judge a book by its cover but I would like to just point out that I noticed in the background of the cover of the Draft Environmental Impact Statement it says Subdivision Site Plan Approval The Heritage at Cutchogue, I didn't think we were doing a Subdivision I thought this was a Site Plan ' Application not a Site Plan approval but as I will get into in the rest of my statement there are many reasons to believe that at least parts of this application has already been approved and the fact that it says right on the cover that this is all about the approval doesn't bode well for the question of review. Prepared for The Heritage at Cutchogue in Medford New York, interesting that The Heritage at Cutchogue in located in Medford New York. Speaking of Medford, Riverhead, I don't know if you saw in the Riverhead Local and I'm not sure that you're allowed to apply information that you gather outside this meeting to the consideration of this application but just in case your aren't here's a copy of the article that was published this week and I don't who to give it to, I guess you, they're proposing to change the zoning. Heather Lanza: Speak into the microphone please. Benia Schwartz: I'm sorry, they're proposing to change the zoning on a 25 acre site in Riverhead and put in a 162 units, many, many differences between that project and this project but there's an underlying similarity and reasons given by the community of Riverhead why they are opposing that zone change apply equally to this project. Just because the zone change was done 30 years ago or 33 years ago, close to that anyway, it doesn't mean that its written in stone and I'm hopeful that you all understand that you have the right, maybe the duty to deny this application and put it back to the drawing board and maybe the Town Board might reconsider the zoning even though that would violate the agreement that they, anyway. Let me just try to get through what I've read here, but I wonder if, you all probably don't go online, so there was a number of comments on the Suffolk Times article regarding the last part of the hearing that I thought were very good and you might like to consider them, I'd like to submit them as Southold Town Planning Board Page I 14 February 22, 2016 part of the hearing record, so that you can consider them in connection with this application. Okay I'm going to try to read what I wrote here, it's your calling and your call, the decision to approve, deny or approve with conditions the subject Site Plan Application is not up to the professional planner or the lawyers, nor elected politicians, as individuals the three of you and the other two who aren't here have to make a choice, collectively you have to make a decision. The DEIS on page 261 states that the visual character of the site would be modified however the site would be developed with a residential community contextual with the character in the surrounding community. Well with all due respect they're using the community in two different senses there, they're talking about a residential community which is a segment of a community but it's the community of The Heritage residents, our community, I've always thought of the word community as meaning the whole community the way it's used in the surrounding community, this is false the residential quote on quote community is obviously not going to be in character of the surrounding community or residents, farmers, fisherman, business people, families, people of all income levels. While I'm not aware of any endemic security problems on the north fork page 30 of the executive summary of the DEIS states the proposed project provides a gated entrance with manned reception booth that would restrict access to the community, case closed, community closed. I as a descendent, I won't, that is a major change in the social network of our community to have residential communities with people, guards standing at the entrance. Somewhere in there, I'm not exactly where it says there's not going to be any sidewalks and yet they say that they're going to be able to walk to town. Even the older housing that was put on New Suffolk Avenue they put sidewalks in, there's plenty of sidewalks that go to the old, where the school, Depot Lane and I think you can take a sidewalk all the way to King Kullen. But this is close, it's not in the Hamlet Center it's not in the hallow zone around the Hamlet Center its outside of the Hamlet Center but its close enough to walk, why no sidewalks? Page 12 of the executive summary of the developers DEIS states one of the key benefits of the proposed project is final resolution of pending litigation between the Town and the subject property owner and applicant, the truth is several final resolutions have already occurred and the Town won. I don't know why the Town has now surrendered after winning every battle that has been concluded so far. The so called Stipulation of Settlement appears to admit liability for causes of action that were dismissed by summary judgement motion for complete lack of any legal merit, even assuming that everything that the developer says is absolutely true not requiring any proof, the fact they presented do not state a legal course of action. The trial court threw out that cause of action, the developer appealed to the higher court, the appellate court, the appellate court decided for the Town. Why then does our local newspaper continue to repeat that the current plan is based on an agreement following a 2009 that claimed the Town acted with malice to hinder the development buy changing the zoning for the site, that was in an article that was written and posted online today but half of the lawsuit was thrown out the other half of the lawsuit that didn't like laws 1, 2 and 3 of 2009 was never litigated, there was never any reason presented why we should settle it. You know there's things going on down in the city now, they're doing reviews of all these settlements they're making with these criminals who commit crimes and then sue the police for enforcing the law, but they settle the cases. I consider this settlement to be without any merit, I don't know you're Southold Town Planning Board Page 15 February 22, 2016 aware of the appellate division supporting the dismissal of half of the lawsuit, I assume that you are. It's not unusual that governments do settle cases just to make them go away maybe for an economic reason but without any legal basis. The first time the Town won court was in the early 80's when the Planning Board originally determined that SEQRA would apply, that there could potentially be adverse environmental impacts to this proposed development, the Town Board had already said no, there's no possibility that this will affect anything, the natural environment, the social, the human environment, it's not going to affect anything and we don't need to do an environmental impact statement, then the Planning Board said no we want an environmental impact statement before we give you a Site Plan approval, the developer refused and sued the Town and lost. Now we're proceeding to do an environmental impact statement but we didn't start at the beginning this time we jumped in with this Stipulation of Settlement, this agreement, and we then adopted the scoping that was done for previous plan. Even in this developer's environmental impact statement he says the scoping was not done for this plan but we're going to use it anyway, well SEQRA shouldn't work that way. don't know of any legal precedent for an agreement between the Town Board, the Planning Board, the property owner, the contract vendee and a court that never heard any of the evidence or it never went through a trial. The Town Board should not be involved in, let alone controlling the Site Plan review but it appears that that Stipulation of Settlement is controlling this process. The agreement on which impacts and alternatives to consider includes an agreement to limit which impacts and alternatives you can consider in this SEQRA process, that's against the purpose, the whole purpose of SEQRA. Okay this Site Plan, I didn't see anything in the Draft Environmental Impact Statement about solar power, this is ironic since Cutchogue is known as the sunniest spot in New York State. Lack of any mention of this fact in the Draft Environmental Impact Statement of this proposal to increase the housing in Cutchogue by 10% appears to be complimented by ignorance on the part of the Southold Town Planning Department. I don't know if you know why Cutchogue is the sunniest place in New York State? Tom Foster: Because you live there? Benja Schwartz: Yea, well I used to educate people when I was working in Hargrave vineyard, I gave tours. I'm sorry I got distracted. Solar power is not only solar electric, solar orientation, Site Plan orientation of the buildings, solar domestic hot water for use in the house is more efficient and even more efficient is pool heating with solar power but I don't see any mention of it here, it doesn't seem to me that they're really doing a very good job of connecting with the location, connecting with modern technology. Of course solar power is excellent for lighting. This plan does not include any garden, this is especially ironic and unfortunate because the location is between a traditional suburban residential subdivision and farmland. The description on page 11 of the DEIS of the land as undeveloped is contradicted in the same sentence by the recognition that it was farmed for decades, you don't just go out and farm woodland you have to develop it as a farmland before you use it as a farm, but of course these people are not farmers. The reference on page 130 of the DEIS, to active farmland on the east doesn't include any mention of the type of farming that being done there, I heard that the farm was Southold Town Planning Board Page ] 16 February 22, 2016 being cultivated organically. I wonder how the development proposed might affect the organic cultivation of the farm right next to it. In contrast to the current trend towards organic farming and community supported agriculture the Town of Southold doesn't seem to make any distinction between farming which is environmentally destructive and farming which is environmentally beneficial. There is currently a movement towards community gardens, the methods which have been reported last month by the New York Post as being implemented on Staten Island in an apartment rental complex that is proposed to be built there probably wouldn't work'here in this case but there are plenty of good ideas in the current issue of Rodale's Organic Life magazine which has the feature article is on community gardens and the many different ways that you can set them up. There's a community garden that has been established at the Cutchogue Library, it's very small, I bet they wouldn't be opposed, I don't know, but I'm sure we could get somebody to work with the proposed condominium home owners association and put in a community garden. Now I would've brought this up before at the scoping session but we didn't have one, that's when it should've been brought up but I'm telling you now. This application has been pending a very long time. I came across an article from 1981 in the New York Time written by John Rather, brings back memories, referring to many of the same individuals involved in the genesis of this application, subject application we're here for tonight, the conclusion of that article, I'll just read the last sentence, it says buying up the potato land in the 60's turned out to be not such a good investment, Mr. Nickles said, that is not prime residential property. There isn't a lot of amenity in living in the middle of a potato field. There will be if you approve this application. A 1984 letter to the editor by Danny Lyon, the great American photo journalist used to live in New Suffolk, I don't know if anybody remembers. He wrote about Seacroft the original name for this development was Seacroft, he said Seacroft is like a multi-organ transplant for the 300 year old Village of Cutchogue, except that the transplant is cancerous which will not only kill off Cutchogue but spread across the north fork until every ancient town in Southold is as dead Nassau County. Well I got it on the paper exactly what he said but it was very close to that. An article published in New York magazine in 1984 discusses this project also, it says there Rob Pike pointed to an architect's map that showed 36 open acres suitable, it had been said for leasing to a vineyard or farmer snaking between the condos. The only open space I can see in that Site Plan Pike said is between the statements that there is some and the truth. The same thing is true today, can't you see it? Please consider denying or severely conditioning this outrageous proposal. Thank you for listening and if you're interested in any of the sources that I mentioned I'd be happy to provide copies to you. Vice-Chairman Rich: Thank you for your comments. Anyone else? Yes ma'am? Barbara McAdam: Good evening, Barbara McAdam from Crown Land Lane in Cutchogue. Members of the Southold Planning Board and Staff, what makes average citizens come out time after time after time to Planning Board meetings and write letter after letter to local, state and federal officials regarding a condominium project? Anger, anger at decades of deals done late at night, special interests and a general lack of common sense. The populous of the north fork is not an educated group of yahoos, rather we are an informed highly educated community who cares deeply about our Southold Town Planning Board Page 117 February 22, 2016 natural environment, way of life and is dedicated to preserving its integrity. Everyday we're able to read in our newspapers, emails, on our smart phones about the tremendous threats our north fork faces in the way of nitrogen pollution, availability of safe drinking water and quality of life on our waterways and roadways. No one can claim ignorance of these facts, whether we are natives or longtime residents we know our very way of life is threatened Therefore just as resident and expert alike come forward at these meetings with courage and facts to plead our case for Cutchogue I ask that this Board demonstrate the same kind of courage to forget past politics and the bad choices that ensued and to do the right thing for Cutchogue and Southold Town. That means to impose the strictest standards upon this proposed project, to protect the Peconic Estuary from further contamination, require a complete and honest evaluation and redesign of our roadways to protect the safety of resident and visitors to our town. Allow current neighborhoods to remain free from encroachment in all respects associated with this project; initiate a real detailed analysis of the economic impact of this proposed community on our resources, both natural and financial. Attached are several current articles that virtually all of us have seen recently, our County, State and Federal officials are articulating the threats and working to secure the funding for solutions to protect our home. We, the people of Cutchogue, expect no less from our Town government. Thank you. Vice-Chairman Rich: Thank you. Mr. McAllister? Kevin McAllister: Good evening my name is Kevin McAllister, I'm founder and director of Defend H20, I am based out of Sag Harbor, I hope that doesn't diminish my comments as some might suggest being outside the area, after 18 years of education and advocacy for clean water I hope you'll take my comments to heart. This is my third appearance before the Board speaking to The Heritage project; I'd like to first speak about over-development, in fact sustainable development. Through our prism and everyone in this room and certainly as a local on the east end born and raised we've all seen the transformations of basically our areas, our communities, a bit of a wave from west to east, that goes with population increase and the development. So my point is the farm field vistas and the woodlands, the wetlands they're all feeling the pressure of development and many cases over-development. We have to start to really be serious and transform into sustainable development. And obviously some of the considerations in that frame work would be of course energy, this is out of my bailiwick you heard solar power as an energy source earlier, obviously the use of suburbanization on our grounds with the pesticide applications, the nutrient applications, of course storm water with respect to management treatment, groundwater recharge these are all concepts that go into sustainable development. Specifically with respect to the water use, and I was a bit taken back after looking at the EIS, I don't have a firm handle on that and I say that with full disclosure but the amount of irrigation doubling waste water, clearly somethings amiss there. I know within the context of the Site Plan the use of native vegetation, the extent of again the turf areas I don't have at my fingertips but that is a large volume of water that needs to go back into the ground of course, should not be drawn or even coming from Suffolk County Water Authority from points west, that's a water hog, plain and simple and we all understand that. Again that does not fit within the frame work of Southold Town Planning Board Page 1 18 February 22, 2016 sustainable development and I think going forward and I try to impress this upon you at all levels of government, whether it be our Suffolk County Legislature, our Town Boards, our Planning Boards, we have to start to really turn the wheel here and implement the strategies in part I'm talking about tonight. With respect to the wastewater and you've heard me speak of this, of course, I did represent to you that for the past ten years I've been trying to bring the implication of wastewater to the forefront within our communities. I hope at this stage in our recognition of the state of our bays that we realize that they are stressed, extremely stressed and I, myself bristle when I hear the representations about massive fish kills being, oh it's just a natural phenomenon, it's just not true. If you get into the historical records of our area, the reports do not exist of massive menhaden kills, bunker kills, like we are seeing today. The red tides, the brown tides, the loss of wetlands, these are all pressures on these waters. I view The Heritage and its wastewater discharge albeit into groundwater as a point source and technically speaking that's not accurate, it's a non-point source but a 124 units, that's a lot of housing, a lot of flushed, a lot of nitrogen in our urine that is going in basically, in a very discreet area that will make its way to the bay. So this is again a source that needs to be curtailed by applying the best available technologies. In looking at the EIS and hearing Mr. Wagner's remarks earlier there is recognition that the developer needs to address or has a willingness to address wastewater by virtue of better technology, systems that will effectively denitrify than the conventional cesspool or septic system that's certainly in use. Mr. Krupski, Legislator Krupski had mentioned that the County is undergoing some review, I believe it was 6 systems, that's good progress and this is on the residential scale. I would beg to differ on the actual timeline I don't think the approval of these systems or perhaps it will be by summer we do get these systems approved. The notion that they will be mandated I find very difficult to accept knowing the process or the pace at which the Suffolk County Health Department and Board of Health has been moving on this. In case and point in November 2011 Suffolk County approved, I believe it was four new systems in the intermediate flow category, that's 1,000 gallons to 30,000 gallons per day discharge for advanced treatment, some are better than others but there hasn't been no mandate to employ these systems in new development. And again back to my analogy about turning the wheel, we have to start to turn the wheel here. Those intermediate systems that have been approved are appropriate for use in this development, and I know there is a clustered array but in essence and Mr. Wagner referenced that these could be added on and that may be true but I will point out to you, if you're not aware, and I have seen Suffolk County's ill call it a bit of a scoping document on their evaluation of these systems, they're seeking to achieve 50% reduction, so we can debate the concentration of nitrogen in wastewater discharge from conventional systems but it is in and about 50-60 milligrams per liter, or parts per million so do the math on the 50% reduction. My point with respect to would agree that's a deficiency instead of raising the bar here were placing the bar down at our ankles. There are again systems that achieve high levels of treatment, best available technologies they have been approved by Suffolk County in this intermediate flow category, there would be no difficulty in having these systems approved particularly based on the flow rate of this development. Brookhaven Town approximately a year ago passed a law for the Carmen's River Watershed and you've heard me speak of this, new development within the Carmen's watershed that meets of fits into the intermediate Southold Town Planning Board Page 119 February 22, 2016 flow category is required to incorporate best available technologies, advanced treatment to achieve a discharge not to exceed 3 milligrams per liter, parts per million on a rolling monthly average. I will submit to you, that's as good as it gets and I'm playing very close attention to what we can achieve. This project again by virtue of your oversight, and again I will say you have very competent staff between Heather and Mark they understand sustainable development, they understand these concepts, don't let this get bantered of slip through the cracks with either promises, yea Suffolk County said, we had a good conversation or meeting that was represented and I'm not trying to be cute or dismissive but we have to assign standards to the discharges here and this is an opportunity to basically, I would suggest that you assign the same standard by virtue of the conditions placed on this development not to exceed 3 milligrams per liter on a rolling monthly basis and have this system certified by an engineer that is actually reporting on this. It does put the burden of proof on the developer as opposed to ultimately allowing some systems that may be approved that are not nearly going to achieve the level of denitrification that again a standard assigned to this development would do. Lastly and I'm reiterating a point here we've got to start really implementing sustainable development. It's one thing on a single family home on a historical road, it's an entirely different scenario when we're talking about a larger track of land, a historical farmland where 124 units in some configuration, some roadways, turf areas etcetera. This is in essence a bit of a blank slate that you have the opportunity, and I would submit that you have the obligation to really get this right and to turn that wheel because we're turning into, again I've been talking about this for ten years and finally it's gotten traction within the communities, Suffolk County, the communities are getting it with respect to the nitrogen loadings, but we're slow go on employing the technologies that are going to start to take us in a different path. I make no bones about the notion that it will take decades to ultimately transition into advanced systems on the built infrastructure, our existing neighborhoods and homes, on a smaller scale but when we're building larger with a blank canvas let's get it right. Thank you for your consideration to my remarks this evening. Vice-Chairman Rich: Thank you very much. Anybody else? Anybody else wish to address the Planning Board? Richard Jordan: Hi I'm Richard Jordan and I live in Cutchogue, and I spoke at the prior meeting. I'm encouraged by the work that Legislator Krupski has been able to achieve in the last few years, I'm encouraged by the attorneys representation today. Would I understand it that he is going to, that it will be included, that they are effectively amending the DEIS that they will go with the state of the art alternative systems that would be approved by the County Health. I don't know because the documents were submitted to the Board? Vice-Chairman Rich: Well he certainly indicated that in the Public Hearing. Richard Jordan: So that will be in the DEIS? Southold Town Planning Board Page I 20 February 22, 2016 Vice-Chairman Rich: Every comment that's been made at this hearing will be considered, obviously from a standpoint we can't give everybody everything they ask for. Richard Jordan: No I meant as the attorney for the developer I understood his comments that he was amending the previously submitted DEIS to include that in whatever would be their suggested DEIS. Vice-Chairman Rich: We're going to consider his comments very carefully. Richard Jordan: Also would that include existing systems that deal with pharmaceuticals, aside from denitrification, I'm unclear about that. Concerning traffic I live near the end of Pequash and 30 years ago my kids, who are all grown, we would drive from there to New Suffolk, now the traffic is in the summer it's scary. It's scary to see little kids riding their bikes and people coming down, as Mr. Wacker spoke some kid is going to get hit and those people who, I welcome new people to come into Cutchogue and enjoy it, but I would like it to be enjoyable and they're either going to come down to New Suffolk, or they're going to go to the Town beach on the sound, or they'll come down to Pequash. The traffic cannot handle them, I think that the traffic issue is a significant issue. We had a terrible tragedy on the North Road earlier this year and I would hate to see any repeats of that particularly for very young people. The last point that I think should be addressed in the EIS is the alternative in terms of reducing the number of development units, as I recollect it the developer submitted saying it would not be feasible to be reduced and that they kind of similarly rejected the concept of selling a portion of the property saying that the Town had never made a suggestion as to what the price would be. I think the developer and owner should pose some alternatives that it's applaudable to see that, at least the Newsday reported that Legislator Krupski is seeking the County to use funds to protect the Native American burial site in Jamesport and I think that's very applaudable, I would like to see a similar concept maybe applied here, in terms of the EIS, in terms of mitigating the potential impact. I think accepting the developer saying its unfeasible without there being some quantification or analysis submitted I think is faulty. Thank you. Vice-Chairman Rich: Thank you for your comments. Linda? Linda Goldsmith: Hi my name is Linda Goldsmith, I live in East Marion. I'm speaking tonight because I know of a project like this is approved the way it is now that every hamlet is going to face the same thing. As a matter of fact East Marion is facing a, what I feel is an absurd project that is going to be coming down. What I want to talk about actually, basically was a great deal about housing. A dear friend of mine, who has since moved to South Carolina said to me I can't wait to sell my house I want to move into some place like this, my house is too big, it's too expensive and I need a smaller place. Well that's wonderful so perhaps we'll have 124 families sell their larger, more expensive houses and move into the condominiums and you know I understand, I understand when you get older, I don't like having an upstairs at my age. It would be, that's what people are looking for but who is going to but those 124 houses that are Southold Town Planning Board Page 121 February 22, 2016 going to sell? It's not going to be the young families in Southold Town, they're not going to be buying 6, 7 and $800,000 houses, and so what you're going to effectively do is import 124 families from elsewhere. Okay I don't mind new people, but think about the 240 cars and look at your parking in Cutchogue. It's a lovely little hamlet you go to the pharmacy, you go to the deli, you go to the library, sure at any one time you might have 30 cars downtown, well there really isn't any space for them, there's not much parking down there. I'm also a selfish woman and I have a grandson that goes to Our Lady of Mercy School and I know that the construction debris and the noise and the traffic are going to impact that school, it will there's just no way it can't, its right there right in back of it and there's no way that you can shelter them from that noise. But my main issue is this isn't housing that serves a need in Southold Town, and I guess that's what bothers me, it doesn't serve a need, it really is too big, honestly maybe I'd feel differently if it was 124 affordable condo units for affordable rentals for some younger families. I really think this project is too big, you cannot bear the traffic, you really can't. And I am at least heartened by talking about the septic systems, I was very fortunate that I actually got to watch the first one put in in Southold Town, Elijahs Lane, amazing, amazing systems, one day very neat, clean, efficient, effective, very, next time my cesspool fails that's going to be my next way to go as soon as they're approved. Please think about the fact that these condominiums are going to basically serve as 124 new units for people who live elsewhere if not the condos, then the people who sell their houses, or want to sell their houses to move into them. 240 new people in Southold Town, it's not a lot of people, its 1% of the population but it's going to drive out your young families, it's going to help drive them out even more. Thank you for your time. Vice-Chairman Rich: Thank you for your comments. Anyone else? Benja Schwartz: One quick point that nobody has mentioned that I think should be is that the traffic- Vice-Chairman Rich: Benja please state your name for the record. Benja Schwartz: Benja Schwartz, reviewing the DEIS most of the traffic analysis is based on computer models. They spent eight hours examining the existing traffic and that was done a couple years ago. There was also a very interesting section there where they had analysis of every single traffic accident during a three year period in the surrounding area but that three year period was also in the past and did not include the fatal limousine crash that happened last year. There was only one fatality, they were talking about that man that was walking in the crosswalk, I don't know how they missed the barber that was hit in the middle of town, but the limo is not there. I just think they need to come more than one weekend in October and more than eight hours if they really want to tell us there's not going to be any traffic impacts. Vice-Chairman Rich: Thank you. Anyone else? Anyone wish to address the Planning Board on this issue? We are going to keep the hearing open for written comments for two weeks, until the March 7, 2016 meeting. Southold Town Planning Board Page E 22 February 22, 2016 William Cremers: I make a motion to close the hearing. Martin Sidor: Second. Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Bill seconded by Martin. Any discussion? Opposed? All in favor? Ayes. Motion has passed to close the hearing but remain open for written comments until March 7, 2016. Thank you for your time and information. APPROVAL OF PLANNING BOARD MINUTES Vice-Chairman Rich: The final order of business is for the Board to approve the minutes of: January 11 and 25, 2016. William Cremers: So moved. Martin Sidor: Second. Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Bill seconded by Martin. Any discussion? Opposed? All in favor? Ayes. Motion has passed. Vice-Chairman Rich: We need a motion to adjourn the meeting. William Cremers: So moved. Martin Sidor: Second. Vice-Chairman Rich: Motion made by Bill seconded by Martin. Any discussion? Opposed? All in favor? Ayes. Motion has passed. . Southold Town Planning Board Page 123 February 22, 2016 There being no further business to come before the Board, the meeting was adjourned. Respectfully submitted, (j2g9,?(2a ( 4'4 fr 1)- Ad-c Jessica Michaelis Transcribing Secretary James H. Rich Ill, Vice-Chairman