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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1973 f r ° 4W Assessor r TO: Board of Assessme Review RE: TRANSMITTAL OF GRIEVANCE FORMS (complaints) DATE: 7Z f 73 c% This is to ertify that the tentative assessment roll for the Town of was prepared by the Office of the Town Assessor on /P,3 As of the public declaration of the tentative roll for the tax year 19/3/754, the office of the Town Assessor has not, in accordance with the State Laws, permitted or allowed any amendment to the assessment roll which increases, decreases or amends assessments . Also, as of the public date of the tentative roll , the Assessor ' s Office has acted in a custodial way in accurately keepinq all grievance or complaint forms which are transmitted in their entirety at this time to the Board of Assessment Review. Total- number of grievance forms attached herewith „ Assessors R.P.T.S.A. - 200 - 4/72 BAR-1 �. y 4 f j X.a '.'... FROM: Board of Assessment Revi TO: Town Assessor RE: ORDS=CH, ANGE IN ASSESSMENT ROLL DATE: The Board of Assessment Review for the Town of has duly met to hear complaints or grievances on the tentative town - assessment/r8ll _for the tax year 19 / as prescribed by law. . The Board, having duly convened, has considered each and every complaint or grievance on the assessments for the tax year indicated, as filed with this Board, as prescribed by law. A majority of the Board had determined that all of the changes indicated on the attached page (s) will be made on the assessment roll by the Town Assessor. (BAR-2 - Part II) Total number of complaints submitted by assessor Total number of complaints received on Grievance Day - Total number of complaints reviewed by the Board Total number of recommended reductions in assessment - ✓ Total number of recommended increases in assessment Total number of grievances without a change (� NOW, THEREFORE, the Board of Assessment Review hereby orders the } assessor or board of assessors to make all changes in assessments as determined by the oard of Assessment Review on the assessment roll .of the Town o for the tax year 19 in conformance with this order. BAR-2 Page 1 of 2 X-ATE OF NEW Y RK Cb-TTY OF. v - ) s s TOWN OR VILLAGE OF • The undersigned, being duly sworn do severally depose and say that deponents are members of the Board of Assessment Review; that deponents have read the foregoing and know the contents thereof; and the matters set forth are true to the best of the deponents ' knowledge. Sworn to before me this ,,04ay of 19 . o ary Public JUDITH T. BOKEN Notary Public, State of New York No.52.0344963 Suffolk Count Commission Expires March 30, 1 Chairman Member- Meqbor f Mefnb e Member R.P.T.S.A. - 200 - 4/72 BAR-2 - Page 2 of 2 J ASSESSMENT ROLL - YEAR 1 / yo>' TOWN OF Complaint Last Name or Of Owner Property Assessment Assessi,i nt Grievance No. On Roll Desc. From To CO 6:,L-5 c c1 S� ..F R.P.T.S.A. - 500 - 4/7 y. BAR-2 - Part II .uu.:3.�. ak� .�,.3... u'�" ..u.x.,.:; Sm.'.dYm..iamtia.' t:.v ...e s.tusv4eiv:- d3d^•; - FROM: Assessor TO: Board of Assessment Review r RE: ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF CHANGE TO ASSESSMENT ROLL DATE: �p This will acknowledge order from the Board of Assessment Review to amend (Number of) ;�iiSL � assessment items in the assessment roll in the Town of for the tax year 19L/ r This will acknowledge that the Office of the Assessor has completed all changes as ordered by the Board of Assessment Review. r --- Board of Assessors R.P.T.S.A. - 200 - 4/72 BAR-3 E FROM- Boar of Assessm R��wn TO: Clerk • RE: REPORT - BOARD OF ASSESSMENT REVIEW - TAX YEAR 19_/_ DATE: Attached herewith please find for public filing in your office , the complete file covering the public hearing (s) of the Board of Assessment Review, together with changes ordered by this Board to Assessors ' acknowledgment, etc. the assessment roll, The duties of the Board of Assessment Review for the grievance 19 / ssessment roll are completed. period covering the Khairman Membe - M er Mem er Member R.P.T.S.A. - 200 - 4/72 s I and II, Form BAR-3 , Form BAR-4 Attachment: Form BAR-l^ Part CC: Town Supervisor - with attachments Director, Real Property Tax SericeattaAgency ments with attachments Office of Town Assessor - with • -4 Form BAR ,,r . M I N U T E S GRIEVANCE DAY TOWN OF SOUTHOLD July 17, 1973 P R E S E N T: MRS. HENRY B. LYTLE Peconic, New York THEODORE J. HEUSER Mattituck, New York ALEXANDER BOGAN Cutchogue, New York ANTHONY DE MAULA Mattituck, New York ASSESSORS PRESENT: EDWARD W. FOX EDWIN F. FICKEISSEN DAVID WALKER Grievance Day Town of Southold, N. Y. -2- July 17, 1973 The Chairman (Mrs. Lytle) opened the proceedings at 9:00 A.M. 1. Lawrence Geoghegan P. 0. Box 48 104-48 91st Avenue East Marion, N. Y. Richmond Hill , N.Y. 11418 Land - $2,200 Total - $6,300 Partial Mr. De Maula administered the Oath, as follows: "Do you solemnly swear that the information that you give herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability? " MR. GEOGHEGAN: I do. MRS. LYTLE: You started to build in 1967. MR. GEOGHEGAN: It ' s incomplete now. (Mrs. Geoghegan showed the Board a complete picture record of the building of the house from its inception) . MRS. GEOGHEGAN: We put in a cesspool ; it's mostly a shell. We have nothing done on the inside. MRS. LYTLE: You are not living here? MRS. GEOGHEGAN: No. MR. GEOGHEGAN: The pictures show the present condition of the house. There is clapboard and shingles. My wife has kept a record with pictures since we dug the hole. This is net the first time I have protested the assessment. MR. HEUSER: The assessed valuation in 1971 was $4,900. 1 don't remember any protest last year. You are looking for even less assessment than in 1971• MR. GEOGHEGAN: According to my figures that evaluation is up to around $30,000. MR. HEUSER: That would be $25,000, of which $4,100 is only on the house. That would make it $16,400. Is plumbing in? MR. GEOGHEGAN: I expect to put a bath and toilet in this week. I have a cesspool. MRS. LYTLE: Is any of your heating equipment in? • • Grievance Day Town of Southold -3- July 17, 1973 MR. GEOGHEGAN: It will be gas hot water but there is no fuel. there for a gas heater. Last Fall they laid the gas mains. MR. DE MAULA: Do you have sheetrock? MR. GEOGHEGAN: Partially. MRS. LYTLE: Do you have a garage there? MRS. GEOGHEGAN: It' s more like a storage shed. You could use it for a garage. MRS. LYTLE: Do you gentlemen on the Board have any question-O` MR. HEUSER: I thank an expression from the Assessor might be helpful. MR. FICKEISSEN: He and a relative each bought but when the Deed was made out it was one Deed. MR. GEOGHEGAN: My name and others. MR. DE MAULA: Are you seeking a reduction on the building, and not the property? MR. GEOGHEGAN: Yes. (Mr. Geoghegan claimed that the over- evaluation is $2,400; that the total assessment should be reduced to $3,900 Partial instead of $6, 300 Partial . MR. HEUSER: The building is, roughly, valued at about $16,400. MR. GEOGHEGAN: There is a part of every building that was in the World's Fair in my house. When they were demolishing the Fain I managed to get a piece of each building. (Mr. Heuser asked to see the most recent picture of the house. MR. DE MAULA: Is there a full. basement? MR. GEOGHEGAN: Yes. MR. DE MAULA: Is it poured concrete? MR. GEOGHEGAN: Part of it is and part is dirt. I have a fireplace, a heatolator. MRS. LYTLE: Are there any other questions? Is there anything else you wish to say? Grievance Day Town of Southold -4- July 17, 1973 MR. DE MAULA: Have there been any improvements in the last eighteen months on this property? MR. GEOGHEGAN: Outside of running the gas main down the street there has been nothing of any major consequence. MRS. LYTLE: Are there any other questions? (There was no response. MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. We will hold another meeting and review the testimony. You will be notified of our decision in about two week's time. 2. Norkert F. Falzon & Solange M. L. Falzon Box 187A Westphalia Road 69-15 Exeter Street Mattituck, N.Y. Forest Hills, N.Y. 11375 Lot 8 w-5 of 11 incl. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Falzon responded "I do". MRS. LYTLE: Do the furniture, tools, garage, gadgets, have anything to do with this figure? MR. FALZON: New York State sent me a form and I put that down. I paid $ 72,000. When I filled in this form I did not have all the fasts. I came back again and was helped by Mr. Fickeissen and Mr. Walker. I will tell you on what grounds I think my tax picture should be reduced. This form is not accurate. I did it in a few minutes. MR. HEUSER: Did you have notification of an increase in your assessed valuation? Do you have it with you? MR. FALZON: Yes, I have it. (Mr. Falzon presented the notification to the Board . MRS. LYTLE: With a private road you would not get the services that you refer to. You have the advantages of a private road but you do not get services. MR. FALZON: It's on a branch of Mattituck Creek. The road is in very bad condition but I think it is partly owned by the Town. MR. HEUSER: It's 100% private. MRS. LYTLE: That's why you don't get the batch of things you have listed here. Grievance Day Town of Southold -5- July 17, 1973 MR. HEUSER: The valuation on this sheet did not agree with the Board of Assessors paper. There must have been some reason for the change. MR. FALZON: They came to look at my house a few days ago. There was a correction made. They gave me $14,600 but I think it is too much. MR. HEUSER: Did you receive a new notice? MR. FALZON: Yes. The first notice was received on the 29th of June, and the second on the 15th of July. MR. DE MAULA: What is the correct figure? MR. FALZON: The correct figure is $14,600. I have 2.3 acres (2.25 according to Van Tuyl). MR. DE MAULA: Is there waterfront with this? MR. FALZON: 365 feet on Mattituck Creek. MR. DAVID WALKER: We are involved with footage. MR. FALZON: My neighbor has much more acreage and doesn't pay this kind of money. MRS. LYTLE: He has more acreage than you do? MR. DAVID WALKER: , There would probably be .02. We are going by frontage on the road. An accurate survey would tend to change the acreage. MR. FALZON: I had 2.2.57 on a survey made a year ago. My neighbor, Mr. Ziegler, and I bought within a week of each other. At that time my taxes and his taxes were about 27% different. Now, my taxes are increasing 66;x. So there is something wrong. I think mine should be decreased. I have a chart and figures which will assure you that I speak from the facts. I would like to make a plea on the ground of inequality. I don't wish to say that my neighbors don't pay enough taxes but I should think that compared to theirs mine should be reduced. My increase in taxes is about 65;g and the average for property is about 34%, which means I am taxed twice as much as the average. Mr. Charles Ziegler, my neighbor on the right, has 2.8 acres; I have 2.3. Again, as I said, we bought property within about a week's interval in June, 1971. He paid $66,000; I paid $72 ,000. I paid about 28% more than Mr. Ziegler. It happened about the same time this market value was reflected by taxes. The assessment in tax and the market value of property coincided. Now we have been increased. Grievance Day Town of Southold -6- July 17, 1973 Mr. Ziegler's land and buildings went from $7,000 to $9,700, an increase of 38°x. My property went from $4,700 to $79100; then my building went from $4,200 to $7,700. The total increase from $8,900 to $149600 is 6596, which is double what Mr. Ziegler has had. For ten pears the land was assessed at $4,700. I have not done anything to the land. I have about 60 feet more on the water. He has about half an acre more than I have. He can build on it any time he wants to. Mine is wetland and to get rid of all the trees would be impossible. I think my land is worth less than Mr. Ziegl.er's. He has a half acre more. MRS. LYTLE: You think woodland is less valuable? MR. FALZON: The trees are decayed. They have to be cut down but I don' t have the money. I would like to have a little more lawn. MR. HEUSER: A bid was made in your area for $8,000 an acre. MR. FALZON: Don't you think a piece without trees would have been worth. more? He has a half acre more than I do. I don' t know why I should be increased more than he is. He is increased from $4,700 to $61200. I think I should be increased the same. I don't understand why there is a jump in this. MR. DAVID WALKER: There is a possibility that there were some places that were underassessed for years. After the facts, as he has presented them here, and the maps have been brought out, I think you will readily see the reason for the difference in assessments. From what he has presented here, I think that when you review what we did and see what he has against what his neighbor has, you will be enlightened. We can' t go by percentages. We go by footage on the water and land. The entire waterfront has all been done as equitably as possible. If an accurate survey tends to indicate that we were wrong, we would then be in a position to correct. MR. FALZON: Mr. Ziegler has more land than I do. He has 310' water frontage. My property is like a trapeze shape. His is more rectangular. I don't see why there should be a difference. I don't see why this half acre should not offset this 60 feet on the water. MR. HEUSER: I would like to raise another question. Part of your increase was on buildings. On your original piece back in 1963 there was a variance so there would be a proportionate increase. MR. FALZON: That was Horace Williams using the same shingle, the same flooring. The only difference was inside. The roof is leaking. He .remodeled it but used all old material. I think it's a very important point. It can not be considered as a new building. It's an old building. MR. DE MAULA: If you put this complete piece of property, Grievance Dray Town of Southold -7- July 17, 1973 that you own today, on the market, what would you accept as a fair market value? MR. FALZON: I bought for retirement. MR. DE MAULA: The assessment on your property is based on what the fair market value would be today. MR. FALZON: I agree but I have not done anything to my house or property. I just painted the house. In regard to the building, Mr. Ziegler's building was assessed at $29300. MR. HEUSER: Possibly your building and his building are not comparable. MR. FALZON: If you keep a relationship of between 25% and 30%, I have no quarrel but your assessment was increased in the amount of 80%. In the case of Mr. Ziegler, it was increased in the amount of 50%. MR. HEUSER: Did not Horace Williams make a lot of improve- ments on that house? He modernized it, did he not? MR. FICKEISSEN: It was a barn on piers and has been greatly improved through the years. MR. FALZON: My taxes jumped two-thirds, which is quite a lot to absorb, you understand that? MR. FALZON: Mr. Williams told me he finished the work in 1963. I bought in 1971. He told me that the building had been completed about eight years before I bought it. The building of my next door neighbor was increased 501%, mine was increased 80%. I don't understand that. The difference on value was 80%; all of a sudden it becomes 120%. MR. HEUSER: Did Mr. Ziegler make any improvements on his house? MR. FICKEISSEN: Nothing on the exterior. MR. FALZON: I think that the criteria used to assess my house is inequitable. I have been assessed on the basis of floor space and have a one floor house. Mueller on the other side of me was assessed for 11.5 for several floors. I don't know why I should be taxed more than M. Ziegler as he has two floors. I have only three bedrooms, he has five. He has more space than I do. Grievance Day Town of Southold -8- July 17, 1973 MR, FALZON: Being increased the same amount as Mr. Ziegler or Mr. Muller, I would agree to that. I am on a fixed income. For ten years there was no increase. lam willing to accept $1,000, which is a 50`$ increase. MRS. LYTLE: We can not make a decision today by law. We will review your testimony and you will. be notified of our decision in about two weekts time. 3. Robert & Dorothy Halliday 265 West View Drive Mattituck, New York Land -$3,000.00 Total-$7,500.00 Petitioner claims over-evaluation of $19100.00 Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Halliday responded "I do". MRS. LYTLE: You tell us that the over-evaluation is $1,100. You want to go back to the old assessment, the evaluation of 1962. MR. HALLIDAY: Does the increase in assessment mean that the property has increased in value? MRS. LYTLE: Yes. MR. HALLI DAY: I guess I am assessed on waterfront property. When I bought the house in 1959 I could use the water, I could swim. As of this date, I can not use the water. I put a dock in there. It cost me $1,000 and I can't use it. After the building of the Grand Avenue bridge, the silt is working its way down. I don't think that increases the value of my property. MR. DE MAULA: How much footage do you have on the creek? MR. HALLI DAY: 165 feet. MR. DE MAMA: And, because of silt or unnatural reasons it has become unuseable. MR. HALLI DAY: When the tide comes up, a full tide, I could probably get out. It is polluted. MR. HEUSER: That condition is uniform throughout Mattituck Inlet. They have the same tide situation that you have. • i Grievance Day Town of Southold -9- July 17, 1973 MR. HALLI DAY: They are all bulkheaded. Mattituck Inlet was fully dredged a couple of years ago and building the bridge made it worse. MRS. LYTLE: Is that your only claim for reduction. What about the value of the land? MR. HALLI DAY: That probably has increased. What is fair is fair. What I would like is to be able to use the water. I have waterfront property but it would be difficult to sell. MRS. LYTLE: You have to take what happens to it over the years. MR. HEUSER: The only increase has been on your land since 1962, is that right? MR. HALLIDAY: Yes. Has all the property been assessed in Southold Town, particularly where I am. MRS. LYTLE: I would assume it has been in your area. It may riot all have been reassessed. It may have been considered high enough. You have not been reassessed for ten years. Is there anything else you want to tell us? MR. HALLI DAY: No. MRS. LYTLE: You will be notified of our decision in about two week' s time. According to law, we can not make our decision today. 4. John D. Morrison & Dorothy V. Morrison 162 B. Westview Drive 232 Crescent Avenue Mattituck, New York Wyckoffq New Jersey Petitioner feels that there has been an over-evaluation of S1,400. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Morrison responded, "I do" . Mrs. Morrison responded "I do". MR. DE MAULA: What is your footage on the Inlet? MR. MORRISON: I think it's 145 feet. MRS. MORRISON: We questioned the increase because nothing has been added. Grievance Day Town of Southold -10- July 17, 1973 MRS. LYTLE: If you were to sell it today, you would want more than you bought it for. That's what assessments are based on, market value. MRS. MORRISON: There are no additions to the layout of the house. MR. MORRISON: We have no use of the waterfront at all now. I have not had a boat in the water for five years now. It is inches at low tide. They put up a sign that it's polluted. You can't clam or swim. We have a new marina across the street from us and have pictures of the garbage that has been washed up from that marina. Now they have a swimming pool with noise going on day and night, and boats keep tooting their horns. MRS. LYTLE: When you bought the property were you aware of this? MR. MORRISON: We are boat owners. We know what marinas are but this is a residential zone, and they have allowed this business which is a very thriving business. We assumed it was residential. There were woods and it was quiet. We did swim, we did have clams, we did have good water. MRS. LYTLE: Water conditions change wherever you are. MR. MORRISON: I would say our land has decreased in value, not increased, because we did have useable water when we moved there. We had a 30 foot boat and we could leave our own boat there rather than renting space. This new bridge is right in front of our house. It goes on an angle. It's a raceway, it's noisy. I don't know what it will be like in the winter time. The traffic was bad enough before. MR. DE MAULA: Would you consider taking $1,000 less for your property than you paid for it? You are claiming it is not as valuable as it was. MR. MORRISON: As a waterfront property, this is quite possible. MRS. LYTLE: It's possible, but is it probable? MR. MORRISON: I don't know. I don't plan to sell. My point is, since you do say it is waterfront, the beach is there but I have not been down to it in a month because of the condition of it. MRS. LYTLE: Do you have anything further to add? MR. MORRISON: No. Grievance Day Town of Southold -11- July 17, 1973 MRS. LYTLE: According to law we can not give our decision now but you will be notified in about two week's time when our investigation has been completed. 5. Nicholas Aliano, Pres. Pond Enterprises, Inc. Box 946, Cutchogue, N. Y. Land - $6,000 Total - $34,500 Petitioner believes this assessment should be reduced to $22,000. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Aliano responded ''I do" . Mr. Aliano presented a survey to the Board showing the piece of property under discussion - The Beachcomber Motel, MRS. LYTLE: There is no increase this year. This isthe same as you had in 1962. MR. ALIANO: I did not own it then. MRS. LYTLE: The assessment before then was in 1960. Then it was raised in 1962. You talk about erosion. This is something that happens all along the Sound but you still have waterfront property. MR. ALIANO: You are talking about values. It makes a big difference if you have 50 feet from high tide or 200 feet. MRS. LYTLE: It's still waterfront property on the Sound. MR. ALIANO: Yes, but it is a risk because if I get any more erosion there go the buildings. MRS. LYTLE: You say your restaurant is unprofitable because it is seasonal. When you bought it did you realize it would be a seasonal place? MR. ALIANO: Of course I knew. It 's not just one thing. MRS. LYTLE: It 's insured for $90,000 exclusive of any land. Grievance Day Town of Southold -12- July 17, 1973 MR. ALIANO: My point is that I thought it would be profitable or I would not have gone into it. There were three or four owners who could not make a profit. It was in the hands of Receivers. It was being foreclosed because of back mortgage payments. I took over the mortgage with the hopes of building the business and making it profitable. I have six in my family and all of them work. We have cleaned it up as anyone can see. A speculator was ready to put welfare in. I: cleaned it up and have been working hard for three years. My tax loss to thegovernment has been $29,000, with no salary. MRS. LYTLE: That' s a loss on business, not necessarily a loss on property. MR. EDWARD FOX: This gentleman is using the wrong approach. He should be entering a complaint to the courts on income return. MR. ALIANO: I agree, I understand, but also if you want to go back to land value, I feel that due to erosion the property is worth less than two years ago. Anyone would be afraid to buy if he wanted to keep the buildings. It 's about 50 or 60 feet from the high water line. We have lost at least 100 feet in the last four or five years. The next step is that there will be no buildings left. I think the value of the land is less than when I bought it. MRS. LYTLE: If you want to get a reduction on an income basis, you will have to file a legal form. That would be on basing it on a loss of business. You are claiming now on loss of land. MR. HEUSER: 100 feet of erosion seems to be excessive. MR. ALIANO: I will show you pictures. MR. HEUSER: Not 100 feet. MR. DE MAULA: There has been considerable erosion. MRS. LYTLE: We can clarify this very easily by the maps that show changes during the years. MR. DE MAULA: There is a big step. MR. ALIANO: I. have put stairs in. We have a nice class of people. I have the place clean. I think we should get some relief if there is a reason. . , if there is no reason we shall fold up and let the speculators come in. I am paying $5,000 a year for a ten week business. MR. DE MAULA: Is this the only relief you are seeking, the erosion? Grievance Day Town of Southold -13- July 17, 1973 MR. ALIANO: I think they were overtaxed seven years ago. They had water lines .running through the cement floor. MR. DE MAULA: The basis is water loss on waterfront property. MRS. LYTLE: Are there any other questioner or aoything you wish to add to what has already been discussed? (There was no response. ) MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. We will hold another meeting and review the testimony. You will be notified in about two weeks. 6. Edna Koubek P. 0. Box 423 Harbor Lane Cutchogue Land: now $3,200 Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mrs. Koubek responded "I do". Mr. Koubek responded "I do. " MRS. LYTLE: It will be necessary before we proceed for you to fill in the amount you believe this assessment should be reduced to. (Mrs. Koubek complied MRS. LYTLE: You feel it should be reduced to less than $3,000. MRS. KOUBEK: The original land was assessed for $3,000 and we sold off some lots, and then it was raised instead of being reduced. It was $3,000 for 31 acres. We now have 11 acres and the assessment went up to $3,200. The less land I have the more they are assessing me. I have no road frontage. I don't own the right of way. I have access of 16' over this lady's land. The Board of Appeals said they would only give us access. MR. DE MAULA: It is deeded. It is not the type of place where the road is closed one day a year? MRS. KOUBEK: No. This is Board of Appeals approval, that that is the way they wanted it. MRS. LYTLE: Have you done anything to your home? MRS. KOUBEK: No, that's the way we built it. MRS. LYTLE: If you were selling would you expect more for it than when you built it7 Grievance Day Town of Southold -14- July 17, 1973 MRS. KOUBEK: We just built it. It doesn't seem likely that we would sell it. It was assessed at $3,000 for 31 acres. Then, when we sold off the first lot, they reduced it to $2 ,400, but when we sold another lot they went up on the assessment. This, I can' t understand. MR. BOGAN: What is your 72-73 tax bill? (Mrs. Koubek showed bill) . MRS. LYTLE: You have an acre and a half. MRS. KOUBEK: Down by the water is all marshland. We can't use that. MRS. LYTLE: If you were to sell with an acre and a half now, what do you think it would be worth? MRS. KOUBEK: I don't know. You are appraising the land here now. MR. KOUBEK: I have been buying and selling land for 40 years. It depends on who wants it. MR. FOX: This was undeveloped land, horticulture and they kept the front part, and they built houses on it. So, when they sold it they had to apportion. MRS. LYTLE: It's not open land. It's down to a lot and a house. MR. KOUBEK: We had 14 acres in Arshamomaque. As I sold lots off my assessment would always go down. MR. FOX: This was horticulture land. Now it's residential. It goes by front foot, by depth, by waterfront. When land is used for agriculture, we have it by the acre. MR. , KOUBEK: It is all mud in front of us. You can not have any more than a rowboat. We knew what we bought but can't under- stand why the assessment went up. The house, we are not questioning. The land is what we are questioning. We are not complaining about the house. We are willing to be fair. MRS. KOUBEK: We have very nice neighbors but we felt we were being discriminated against MR. HEUSER: They became developers once they finished that development, and we do this with all developers. There is not anyone on that creek who has more access to it. MR. KOUBEK: It has not been dredged past Stirling. MRS. LYTLE: You know that values are beginning to go sky-high. Grievance Day Town of Southold -15- July 17, 1973 MR. KOUBEK: With 6 acres and 500' of road frontage, our neighbor has not been touched. I want to be equal with the next door neighbors on both sides of me. When it comes to equalization, I think I am just as good as they are. MR. HEUSER: You had a break on having a developer's rate on that property when you bought it. MR. KOUBEK: I bought it as a whole. No one knew I was going to put up any houses. I did not buy as a developer but when I saw the property was too big, I thought I would sell off the front and keep the back part. I am here eight months a year. MRS. KOUBEK: We want a smaller place with smaller taxes. MR. HEUSER: Mr. Fox says the rate was based on a different basis before you started to sell it off. MR. KOUBEK: The property went down to $2,400 last year. MR. FOX: When the property was completely sold out, it was revised. MRS. LYTLE: Mr. and Mrs. Koubek, I think I finally under- stand. This bill says "apportioned". When you sold the property, when they went over the assessment, this bill plus the bill the other folks get, has to show a total amount of original assessment. Then, after this is done, because you have the two properties, they go back and reassess. It was not reassessed at that time. It was apportioned at that time. They got the difference between the two figures. They are both reassessed after they are sold. MR. KOUBEK.: They assessed $1,700 up in front, #'s 9 and 8, and they got me for $3,200. MRS. LYTLE: I am talking about the $2,400 assessment. MR. KOUBEK: The front part was assessed, #'s 9 and 8, and $.3,200 from us, so you would be getting $4,900. MRS. LYTLE: At the time they bought it. MR. KOUBEK: We sold the house in a one package deal. They are assessed only $1,700. MRS. LYTLE: We are talking about the land, and they were assessed on the land the difference between $2,400 and $3,200. Grievance Dray Town of Southold -16- July 17, 1973 MR. KOUBEK: Originally, it was $3,000 for the whole piece in 1970. MRS. LYTLE: We are talking about your tax, your 1972 bill. MR. KOUBEK: The 1972 bill was $2 ,400. MRS. LYTLE: You paid $2,400 but the total tax on land was $39200. The piece you now hold and the piece you sold was assessed for $3,200. You sold the piece so you were assessed $29400 of that $3,200, and the other party paid the difference. Then, after that sale was made, they go back and reassess those two parcels. They decided your piece of land should be assessed. at $39200, the same as originally for the whole two pieces, because the value of land is going up. MR. KOUBEK: You're raising the value but you're cutting the piece of property off. You go by feet on the creek but you can't charge the same as the Town Creek where they have deep water. We have no road. The people next door can build on the road. MRS. LYTLE: You have a right of way. Do you have any other questions? (There was no response. ) MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. We will review the testimony and notify you in about two week's time. 7. Richard H. Price & Helen Price #528 Mattituck, New York 45 acres Land: $14,200 Total: $20,500 MR. DE MAULA: Do you solemnly swear that the information you give here will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your knowledge? MRS.PRICE: I do. MRS. LYTLE: You say your assessment should be reduced by $2,350, and that you were taxed on more waterfront than exists. How do you mean that? MRs,PRICE: I believe I am taxed on 600' of waterfront. MRS. LYTLE: Whose survey is this? MRS PRICE: It's an Overton survey. Grievance Day Town of Southold -17- July 17, 1973 MRS. LYTLE: Who actually owns this 60' wide piece? It says "reserved for Mr. Hallock". MRS.PRICE: I do, I think. MRS. LYTLE: The survey shows 592.61 . MR. DE MAULA: The survey shows 532 ' but there is a 60' piece reserved for Mr. Hallock, MR. DAVID WALKER: I will bring the map in. I believe the record will tend to indicate that we were not given a survey prior to today so I could not correct my figures. MRS.PRICE: Is that a Town tax map that they have in Greenport? Because that shows 6001 . MR. DE MAULA: It would be good to know who owns this 60' piece of property. MR. WALKER: (referring to map) The map shows that the property belongs to Mr. Price. MRS. LYTLE: This is a 1926 survey. MRS.PRICE: There is no Hallock on our property. I am not adjoined by Koraleski. (The Board examined and discussed the map). MRS.PRICE: I believe you people are familiar with the problems we had with Levon. My neighbor lost 140 feet because of the Levon fiasco. MRS. LYTLE: But you still have waterfront, which makes it valuable. MRS.PRICE: That was August of 1972 and we have lost a great amount since. We had an appraiser come in to tell us how much loss we had. , He told us we had lost 160 feet. MR. DE MAULA: What is the appraiser's name? MRs.PRICE: Breslin, I believe. MRS. I.YTLF: What improvements have you made? MRS.PRICE: Nothing since 1959, except gardening. It needs rewiring, needs a new bathroom. I have a partial basement that is in very bad shape. We may have painted a window or two as it needed it. I understand the house is over 100 years old. It would take a small fortune to fix. The front porch is falling away from the house. My main complaint is that we lost so much footage- 140 feet definitely. • Grievance Day Town of Southold -18- July 17, 1973 MR. DE MAULA: It should be resurveyed MRS. LYTLE: Your property has not been reassessed since 1959. That 's almost 13 years. How much do you think the value has gone up? That is the basis on which you have your increase. MRS.PRICE: I feel the buildings have deteriorated. The windows won't open. It looks good when you pull up to it. It has white shingles and the trim painted black. ; RS. LYTLE: Do you think you could sell it as it stands? MRS.PRICE: I am sure I could sell it. MR. WALKER: Any time an accurate survey is presented to the Board of Assessors, and the acreage is proved to be wrong, we would readily change it according to the findings of an accurate survey. MRS. LYTLE: Would you review it if you had a new survey? MR. WALKER: Yes, MRS.PRICE: I live on a private road which costs $200 or $300 to fix. MRS. LYTLE: When you live on a private road you are supposed to have more value because you have privacy. MRS.PRICE: We get high road taxes and get everything else. The only time we had help was when we had to have an ambulance come in. MR. E. FICKEISSEN: I would like to state that the Board of Assessors acted on this, not David Walker as Assessor. We all did this equally. MRS. LYTLE: According to law we can not make a decision at this time. We will hold another meeting and review the testimony. You will be notified in about two week's time. Grievance Day Town of Southold -19- July 179 1973 8. Karl and Virginia Guiler Box 1153 Mattituck, New York Prop. 1480 Westphalia, Mattituck School Dist. #9 Land: $6,000 Total: $13,600 Petitioner wishes to have assessment reduced to $8,640. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Guiler responded "I do". MRS. LYTLE: Is this your figure; market value $48,000. MR. GUILER: That was an appraisal submitted in 1970-71. The date that the house was built runs from 1870 to 1910. Mr. Slatz said it was before 1900 and estimated 1870 but I have been told by some people that it was about 1910. I have made no change in the character of the house except to install sinks. MRS. LYTLE: They are in the process of reassessing the Town of Southold but it is physically impossible to do it in one year. MR. GUILER: I have consulted an attorney and on the basis of equal tax for everybody in taxing an area, it should be assessed by the same group and during the same period, and if they don't finish it, it should be assessed the same as everyone is assessed. MRS. LYTLE: It seems to be a physical impossibility. MR. GUILER: They change on an inflationary basis but that's applicable to everyone. If you are going to have segments of tax area where they have not been reviewed in that year, that is not equal tax. MR. DAVID WALKER% That may be so but a numberof years prior to this your property was never reviewed while other people were being reviewed. MR. GUILER: It would be ameliorating circumstances. MRS. LYTLE: This is the way the law works, and the way we do it. MR. GUILER: There is a discriminatory phase to this treatment. I don't think Assessors came to my house this time. I think they Grievance Day Town of Southold -20- July 179 1973 took pictures and they jumped it up and I can't see it. I am familiar with values that people place on their properties and I know there are properties listed for sale and they are asking $90,000 and $200,000, and the taxes would be considerably in excess of the ones that are on those properties. MR. DE MAULA: It's a willing buyer and a willing seller under normal selling conditions. I could put my house up for $200,000 and someone might be foolish enough to buy it but my house isn't worth it. MR. GUILER: Mr. Muller sold for about $125,000 and taxes are $1,400. Believe me, that doesn't make sense. MR. HEUSER: You have gained by this gradual appraisal of property for eight years. MR. GUILER: I have done nothing but put on a new roof in eight years, and assuming that the assessors were cognizant, they did not see fit to raise my valuation. I don't even have a garage and they have me assessed at a higher rate than adjoining properties. The Satterlee's have two houses and are putting up another one, and they have a garage, and they are assessed at less than I am. MRS. LYTLE: For us to make an intelligent decision, we must be put in a position to compare the property in your area. MR. GUILER: I have to dispute you on that because we are all in the same Town of Southold. We all know that there are certain areas where properties have a status value which, in effect, has a major influence on its money value. I think you will agree that property on Nassau Point has a tremendous list value. When you see a lavish house with a couple of acres and you find out that their taxes are less than you are paying, that is no com- parison. I give you one that's on the Bay and valued at $150,000 and my taxes will be higher than that. Another house has eight acres on the Bay, and it's $1,100. You people have to entertain this. I used to be in the tax advisory business. I called up an attorney and gave him my reaction on what had happened. He told me he was just waiting for me to come along. Theoretically, you should have everybody subject to review within the same period. You should go out and get more assessors. It has to be done because you have definite inequalities. MRS. LYTLE: I would say that is a legal question. MR. GUILER: I do not want to go to tax court but I will be forced to do it if I don't receive some sort of remedial action. In one instance, one of my neighbors has two houses and is going to have another one and are assessed less than I am. This is right next to me to the south, R. L. Satterlee Estate. There are others that should be sitting here before you. I am not going to lie down and die because they lie down and die. Grievance Day Town of Southold -21- July 17, 1973 MRS. LYTLE: We will review some of the other properties you mention. They are within the Town. MR. GUILER: I talked with Mr. Fickeissen and he was very courteous and very helpful but he emphasizes things that we people are quite disturbed about. We are being assessed on the basis that we are on the water but you know what Mattituck Inlet is called "Mattituck Cesspool" and you should see the boats that are in there today. You have an aroused group of people on that end. Most of them are afraid to come and say this. Another R. L. Satterlee place to the north of me has a house of a later vintage. He is assessed for considerably less than I am. The one next to me is higher because he has a tremendous house that was built out of the old carriage house. I have steam heat, electric wiring, and have had 50% of the plumbing replaced. We took one bedroom and made a bathroom out of it. There are two rooms on the third floor. It is more or less a Barrett. My wife paints and we painted one as a studio. Actually, we have a three bedroom house. MR. DE MAULA: Would you consider that you could sell your property for $48,000? MR. CUILER: Your multiple is 189, I think. Divide 48 x 18 and you come out with $8,740. I would not complain about that. I would even ,jack it up a little bit more. MR. DE NAULA: If somebody said I would like to buy your place for $54,000. . . (The Assessors assess at 25;$ of market value). MR. GUILER: This is an old Victorian house. I won't have many people who would make that offer. I do have a very nice setting. I cut my own grass and I have plenty of trees and shrubs but I don't want to be penalized. MR. DE MAULA: That house is worth all of $48,000. MRS. LYTLE: Are there any other questions? (There was no response. ) MRS. LYTLE: According to law we can not make a decision at this time. We will hold another meeting and review the testimony. You will be notified in about two week's time. • i Grievance Dray Town of Southold -22- July 17, 1973 9. Borge Espensen & Catharine Espensen RRH#1 - Box 149 Mattituck, New York Land: $3,60o Total: $7,850 Value: $40,000 Petitioner believes that assessment should be $7,200. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Espensen responded "I do". MRS. LYTLE: You figure your property is worth $40,000? MR. ESPENSEN: I don't really know. I never got an appraisal. I am not interested in selling. I am here about the value of the property, itself. MRS. LYTLE: Do you realize you had it assessed in 1965? MR. ESPENSEN: I came down and talked to Mr. Fox and asked how this number was arrived at. I was given some figures and the figures don't add up. I was told waterfront property is assessed by 28 linear foot. You take 28 by 90 feet, it comes to $2,520, and it says $3,600 here. I was also told that the depth of the property is a factor. The property goes back about 400 feet but 200 feet of that is filled land. It 's unbuildable, it's unuseable, it doesn't even drain. I have a copy of a survey which indicates the two pieces of property which I bought in 1950. Then the area was filled in. It's clay. You could not build on it. I have puddles a couple of feet deep because it won't drain. MR. DE MAULA: This was filled by dredging of the creek. It's dredged fill. MR. ESPENSEN: The actual line of the fill goes back further, another 50 or 60 feet or more. Mr. Martocchia originally assessed it and he said that land was not even considered. MR. DAVID WALKER: This is the first time I have seen a survey. It's a Van Tuyl survey dated 1961. It's 12 years old. MR. DE MAULA: The dredging was done in 1954? MR. ESPENSEN: I have tried to dig dry wells and I have gone down 12 feet and still hit clay. MR. WALKER: The reason for $3,600 is based on a formula. We were using 110 feet - 35;$. MR. DE MAULA: There is a question in my mind of the real condition of this filled in land. Grievance Day Town of Southold -23- July 179 1973 MR. WALKER: I think the Board of Review should go down and see it to understand what percentage of that property is useable. MR. DE MAULA: This would have to be done if we get assurance from the Health Department or there is a Building Notice that this property is not useable. MR. ESPENSEN: In late winter or early spring you can sink up to your neck. I have managed to grow some grass on it but there is nothing solid. I have gone down 12 feet to dig a dry well. If you can go by the tax bill, th*t filled land is not even considered in the tax bill. MRS. LYTLE: How much do you think you could sell it for? How much is it worth? MR. ESPENSEN: I don't know. MRS. LYTLE: You have put a .figure on of $40,000. MR. ESPENSEN: That 's for the house and everything. MR. DE MAULA: Does your house straddle both pieces of property? MR. ESPENSEN: I am on Ps 37 and 38. MRS. LYTLE: Your total assessment is $7,850 and you think it should be reduced to $7,200, a difference of $650. Are you aware that the property is 25;$ of what the assessors consider the value to be. You put $40,000 value and it is assessed at $7,850. It could be slightly underassessed. This is the basis on which we work; what you think it is worth and what you think it should be reduced to. MR. ESPENSEN: According to this, it's the land value that went from $1,600 to $3,600. I don't think it is worth it, if you are considering that piece of clay down there. MR. DE MAULA: The total value that you have stated; these are the things that we have to work with. As you look at the package deal with house and property, you are actually by those figures, underassessed. MR. ESPENSEN: I am going by land value. Forget about the house. The land went from $1,600 to $3,600. They filled about 8 feet above high water mark. The actual fill is brought back 50 or 60 feet at least. You can't plant on it, you can't plant a tree on it. MRS. LYTLE: You knew this when you bought it. MR. ESPENSEN: Yes, but Mr. Martocchia said it was not on the tax rolls. Grievance Day Town of Southold -24- July 17, 1973 MRS. LYTLE: The Deed you hrve from the Town of Southold, what was that for? MR. ESPENSEN: For the sum of $100 I got a release from the Town. MRS. LYTLE: Are there any other questions? MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. You will be notified in about two week's time as to the Board's decision. .10 William C. Chapek Elizabeth M. Chapek South Harbor Road Southold, New York Land: $800 Total: $5,800 Petitioner believes assessment should be reduced to $4,900. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Chapek responded "I do". MRS. LYTLE: It cost approximately $10,000 to build the house. How much do you think it would be worth now? MR. CHAPEK: It's not for sale. If I were going to sell I would have an appraiser or a real estate man come in. I assume that our assessors are a form of appraiser. MRS. LYTLE: We are just asking you for your opinion. You realize that this has not been reassessed for ten years? MR. DE MAULA: It was assessed on March 10, 1963. MR. CHAPEK: I would have to dispute that because we did not finish construction until 1965. If it was done in 1963, time flies. Our daughter was born in 1962 and it appears to me we did not move until the end of 1963 or the Spring of 1964. Mr. Martocchia and myself sat down on this thing. MR. HEUSER: It was finished in 1973? MR. CHAPEK: It was finished in 1965. I have a date here when the bill was paid on the garage, July 20, 1964. That was when the addition to the house and the garage were finished. I have a building permit. MR. DE MAULA: When was the final assessment on completion done? MR. CHAPEK: I believe it was 1964. I did not bring my tax statements with me. I see no importance as to the date of the last Grievance Day Town of Southold -25- July 179 1973 assessment. MR. DE MAULA: Mr. Chapek has been under partial assessment since 1966. MR. CHAPEK: I had a final assessment. When it was reconciled it was taken off as partial assessment. MR. E. FOX: The partial was for the year 1963. It was put on in 1962. In 1963 we went there and no one has been there since until this year. MR. CHAPEK: The garage was built in 1964. I have never said it was picked up or was not picked up. MRS. LYTLE: The garage would be added to it. MR. CHAPEK: One of the things I am contesting; in my garage I have 500 sq, ft. and the shed has 250 sq. ft. I have a bill here that shows labor and material. The supplier was George Penney. MRS. LYTLE: This is what it cost you to build in 1964. You were not assessed until 1973 so you were assessed at cost. The assessment is based on market value and I 'm sure you would not sell it for $1,370. You would want more now. MR. CHAPEK: I will get anything I can get. MRS. LYTLE: The law says that you are taxed on the market value, what you could possibly sell the house for, or the garage. There is property being sold all around and you know what it would cost to replace. MR. CHAPEK: We have replacement value. Our insurance man recommended that we put it to $35,000. I was also told when I questioned the assessment procedure. MR. FOX: He came in in May or April. He should not have had any knowledge of this until June 1st, MR. CHAPEK: I had no idea I could not look at that card. May I look at it now? MR. FOX: Yes, MRS. LYTLE: Your total estimate is $5,800. The assessors assessed it at 25% of value, $23,200. They were lenient because you say you have had it insured for $35,000. MR. CHAPEK: The contents of the house have nothing to do with the evaluation of the house. My insurance agent came down and my wife has a collection of pressed glass. This is house plus Grievance Day Town of Southold -26- July 17, 1973 contents of the house. MRS. LYTLE: Please change this to show house and contents. MR. DE MAULA: Insurance goes 20% for furnishing of the house, normally. MR. CHAPEK We have books, records and pressed glass. The glass is quite valuable and that is the reason he upgraded it. We were insured originally for $18,000. I thought $2590OD or $27,000 would be equitable. MRS. LYTLE: Do you have a listing of it? Do you have an approximate idea of the value? MR. CHAPEK: She has a collection of goblets at $p20 a goblet, and she has 170 of them. MR. DE MAULA: You can see that that figure was misleading. MR. CHAPEK: This is an Agway policy. I have another question: I was told that garages in Southold are assessed at $1 a foot. I just submitted that; would you mind checking to see if the square footage agrees: MR. DE MAULA.: (reading) Garage - 25 x 20; Shed - 10 x 25; total square footage - 750 sq. ft. MR. CHAPEK: Then I was raised $1,100 on my building. There was no addition made to that building from the time the assessors came 11 years ago until now. I find other properties show no upgrading. . . Snellenburger and Ford show no increase. Snellenburger is just down the road from me. MRS. LYTLE: How do you know that? MR. CHAPEK: I looked at the book outside and he is way under me and has a bigger house and is on the beach, which I don't have. Barringer - the house went from $3,500 to $59400. It's twice the size of mine. They have three houses with electric. I have $5,000 assessed valuation. MRS. LYTLE: Leave the list with us for our review. MR. CHAPEK: It's quite interesting. It's glaringly inequitable. I also have some questions on land assessing. I have broken this down the same way. Peirsons - $300 an acre, woodland. It was ,just sold. These people are on a paved road. We are on a private road and we have to maintain our own road. MRS. LYTLE: You also have the privileges of being on a private road. MR. CHAPEK: That is my choice. Grievance Day Town of Southold -27- July 17a 1973 MR. CHAPEK: I am listed on the books as 2/3 of an acre. If you will look at the land map it shows I have full use of 2/3 acre. Not quite half of my land is meadow land. The man next door to me has 3/4 of an acre and is assessed onl $100 more than me. (Mr. Chapek showed the map to the Board. I feel my original mistake was in not protesting my last assessment. Now, I feel I am being assessed at an unreasonable rate. I am basing it on figures that I took out of the Assessor$ books. This creek (referring to map) comes right down and that is mud land. Jacobs filled it in. I can't use it. I understand' that land has been pumped up in front of beaches and they can't use it. This is the channel. This is Southold Park District. They claimed this land. MR. FOX: These people had to grant permission to have the fill put in. If it's filled in front of their property, it's their property. MR. CHAPEK: I was told it did not appear on the tax rolls because you could not build on it. MRS. LYTLE: Some of the land down there is on the tax rolls. In that particular case you have the protection of privacy. You pay for privacy. MR. CHAPEK: Meadowland should not be taxed at the same rate. You are saying meadowland is taxed at the same rate. MRS. LYTLE.- No, I won't say it is taxed at the same rate. MR, CHAPEK: If you take a look at that you will find it is out of line. MR. DE MAULA: Would you say that one third of it is un- useable? MR. CHAPEK: It's a shade more; I will accept one third. MR. DE MAULA: Would you say you have a half acre of useable land? MR. CHAPEK: It is less than a half acre. MR. DE MAULA: It appears that almost one third of this property is substantially meadowland. MR. CHAPEK: It's one third of two thirds of an acre. MRS. LYTLE: Are there any other questions? Grievance Day Town of Southold -28- July 17, 1973 MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. h`e will hold another meeting and review the testimony. You will be notified in about two week's time. 11. Minnie Schutt and others Charles J. A. Rau #566, Mattituck, New York School District #9 Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Charles Rau responded "I do". Mr. David Walker brought out the map showing a triangular piece on Westphalia Road, MR. FICKEEISSEN: He says it can't be built on. MRS. LYTLE: Is it on the road? MR. RALE It's on Westphalia Road, MRS. LYTLE: It would be difficult to build on it but if the purchase of this property pre-dates zoning and it 's a hardship case, you might be able to build on it. The Assessors have to place their valuation on it on the basis of possibility that it could be built on. MR. RAU: I think we brought the same argument up at the time of the last assessment. They saw fit then to reduce it to $100. MRS. LYTLE*. Do you have anything else to say? MR. RAU: No. MRS, LYTLE.- According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. We will hold another meeting and review the testimony. We will notify you in about two week's time. 12. Freda S. Rau Charles J. A. Rau Box 566, Mattituck, N. Y. Land: $700 Total: $5,100 Grievance Day Town of Southold -29- July 1.7, 1973 Petitioner :feels that total assessment should be reduced to $3,000. MRS. LYTLE: You must enter on the last line the amount to which you wish your assessment reduced. (Mr. Rau complied) Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Rau responded "T do". MR. RAU: I am paying on the highest assessment on that side of the road. Two people down the road are only paying on $2,900. So I figure I am entitled to some kind of abatement. MR. DEMAULA: Have you made any changes to your home? MR. RAU: Nothing outside of a coat of paint. No additions have been made. My neighbors land value went up but the building remained the same but my land and building went up. MR. DE MAULA: Are their conditions comparable? Are they larger or smaller? MR. RAU: That one for $2,900 would seem to be in better condition than mine. MR. DE MAULA: I am talking basically about the size of the house; are there two bedrooms or four bedrooms, etc.? MR. RAU: We all have the same. MR. DE MAULA: The same square footage in the houses, within 100 or 200 sq, ft. of yours. MR. RAU: Yes, they are all the same size. MRS. LYTLE: The best we can do is check this out for you. MR. RAU: I don' t think I am unreasonable. MR. DAVID WALKER: I am glad he came in and gave you some names for comparisons. They were all done at one time. MRS. LYTLE: According to lawv we can not make a decision at this time. You will be notified in about two weeks when our investigation has been completed. • • Grievance Day Town of Southold -30- July 17 , 1973 13. Philippe J. Maitrejean Stella Maitrejean Box 888, Mattituck, N. Y. 4 acre plot Mr. DeMaula administered the Oath. Mr. Maitrejean responded "x do" MRS. LYTLE: You were not raised on the value of your house this year. It was $7,200 in 1971 and $7,200 in 1972. The land value was increased from $2,100 to $4,200. MR. MAITREJEAN: I have owned this property for approximately five years and my taxes have doubled. MRS. LYTLE: The property has been assessed at $2,100 since 1959 and it was not increased until 1972. MR. MAITREJEAN: You break it down into land and house. I look at my tax figure, $1,472.86. You break it down into land value and total value. I just look at the tax. In 68-69 the land was $2,100 and the total was $7,700. I paid $783 in taxes at that time. MRS. LYTLE: We can't talk dollars. Let 's stick to those assessment figures. In 1971 the building went up because you added a garage. There was no protest in 1971. The only increase was in the value of the land, which they doubled, because that had not been increased prior to the time you bought it. I assume they figured from 1959 to 1972 that land has doubled in value. MR. MAITREJEAN: I think that these properties have problems that are peculiar to themselves. This private road is a mile long. MRS. LYTLE: A private road increases the value of your property because itaffords you a certain privacy. MR. MAITREJEAN: I am speaking for myself. These properties can not be sold to a family with children. In the winter time they are inaccessible. MRS. LYTLE: You knew that when you bought it. There are a lot of people who want a place just for the summer time. MR. MAITREJEAN: I find that there is very little difference in taxes for a house that is useable and usesthe school bus. This is impossible to use in the winter time. Nobody can go past the potato fields one mile to get to that highway. MR. DE MAULA: What would you sell your property for? MR. MAITREJEAN: I think that at the present time, mine is a distressed property. We were wiped out by Levon. We are taxed on 41 acres. I now have 3.97, no longer do I have 41 acres. As Grievance Day Town of Southold -31- July 17, 1973 far as a purchaser is concerned, this is a distressed property. There is a bluff with a straight 20 foot drop. MR. DE MAULA: We are familiar with that area. MR. MAITREJEAN: I would have to sell at a distressed price. MR. DE MAULA: What is a distressed price? MR. MAITREJEAN: I have had no evaluation made on it. We just had an appraisal made this past week but this is for litigation purposes. I doubt if I would get as much for my property today, although I did improve it, because of the nature of the damage that has been done to it9 than I paid for it originally. MR. HEUSER: I did notice that you have insurance of $40,000 for the house alone. The assessed valuation is $79200. MR. MAITREJEAN: I feel taxes are out of line. I can not make use of the services of this Town. I don't think you car► sell this house to a family with children. We have lived there for five years and have had two emergencies where we have had to call the police. MRS. LYTLE: People pay for their privacy. Are there any other questions? (There was no response. ) MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. We will hold another meeting and review the testimony. You will be notified in about two week's time. 14. John Charnews Main Road Southold, New York Land: $2,600 Total: $7,300 Petitioner feels that total assessment should be reduced to $5,200. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Charnews responded "I do". MR. CHARNEWS: My buildings are in poor shape. • Grievance Day Town of Southold -32- July 17, 1973 MRS. LYTLE: You have not made any improvements? MR. CHARNEWS: I improved in 1926. I have no cellar. The house is standing on a pile of rocks, the chimneys are 150 years old and are no good. To dig a cellar, to put my house on a cellar like the neighbors, would cost a fortune. It needs insulation. From the outside it looks pretty good but it's in poor shape MR. FICKEISSEN: I told Mr. Charnews we would be glad to come over and look at his house. MR. CHARNEWS: I did not arrange for a time for him to come. One year I sold to the school and they taxed me for land and I do not own the land. MR. FICKEISSEN: We made an agreement for a reduction of one year. He sold property to the school. It was not taken off the rolls so he paid that and we made an adjustment for one year. MR. CHARNEWS: I don't object to the land, just the building. MR. HEUSER: If there is no objection to the increase on the land, which is $1,000, this should be $6,300, not $5,200. MR. CHARNEWS: I won't fight it. People think that property is very valuable. It is residential, what do you do with it? Who wants to build over there? There is a church, another church, a school. . . it takes me five minutes to get out of the driveway. We would like to ask for Commercial but they won't approve it. MRS. LYTLE: We will give your petition careful consideration. We will look into it. According to law, we can't make a decision today but you will be notified in about two weeks. 15. John W. Pickering Pickering Building Corp. 41 Grove Street New Canaan, Conn, Fishers Island Property Land:$1,000 Total :$$,200 Petitioner believes assessment should be reduced to $7,200. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Pickering and Mr. Bouton, who accompanied him, responded "I do." Grievance Day Town of Southold -33- July 17, 1973 MR. BOUTON: We are not complaining about the assessment. We are taking exception; there are three buildings. MR. PICKERING: The building in the rear was burned. We finished the second floor. We appraised it and after consideration removed it completely from the property. (Mr. Pickering showed pictures of the property . Because of having removed this, we thought the taxes should be reduced. Now, we only own two buildings. MR. FOX: It's not on the assessment rolls. MR. PICKERING: According to a letter we received, it is on the rolls. MRS. LYTLE: (showed letter to Mr. Fickeissen). MR. PICKERING: On the card it says two parcels joined, and it says fire loss. That the one we rebuilt but the other one we removed from the property. MRS. LYTLE: You got a permit in 1971 to rebuild. MR. DE MAULA: The card says you are only being assessed for two buildings. MR. PICKERING: We bought it with the fire damage. MR. FICKEISEEN: There is only one assessment and there are two buildings. It looks to me that there was $100 on the building when the parcels were joined. There was $200 added to the land and $100 to the building. MR. FOX: It was joined two years ago. We only charged them for two. The letter that was sent to them is misleading. MR. DE MAULA: They are only being taxed on the two existing buildings that they have now, with the improvements that have been made. MR. PICKERING: In view of the letter received, you can see why we were curious. MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. We will hold another meeting and review the testimony. We will advise you in about two weeks. 0 • Grievance Day Town of Southold -34- July 17, 1973 16. Alexander & Jo Anne Peskin 514 W. 114 Street New York, N. Y. 10025 Lot #3 Map of Northwood Estates $600-$19200 Building Lot Mr, De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. and Mrs. Peskin responded "I do". MRS. LYTLE: Why do you want a reduction? MRS. PESKIN: We thought it excessive because we have not built anything. MRS. LYTLE: You paid $12 ,000 for the land. It is assessed for $1 ,200 based on 25;g of the value of the land. 25;$ would be $4,800. MRS. PESKIN: We did not understand; and also discovered that we should have filed for Veterans Administration benefits. MR. PESKIN: I ,just filed it here today with the lady outside. MRS. LYTLE: It has not gotten to us for review. MRS. PESKIN: We came on vacation. My husband has his ID card today but the girl said we could send a Zerox. MR. PESKIN: All I have is this to show that I am a veteran. MR. E. FOX: Prior to his owning this it was probably assessed at $300. As the developer developed it, it would go up. It could go up $200 when you build on it. MRS. PESKIN: We will take care of the VA form. MR. DE MAULA: If you do not consider the amount adequate, you can come in and say that the VA is not adequate. MRS. PESKIN: We will send it in the first week of August as soon as we are in New York. MRS, LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. We will give you an answer in about two week's time. Grievance Day Town of Southold -35- July 17, 1973 17. Arthur Limouze Est. $10000 Total Clergy Exemption East Marion, N. Y. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath to Mrs. Limouze, Mrs. Limouze responded "I do". MRS. LYTLE: As Mr. Fox explained to me, your property has not been reassessed for approximately 15 years and this is why it seems to be such a terrific increase. MRS. LIMOUZE: Because of the fact that I understand it is at least 14 or 15 years old, this assessment, I looked up my tax since 1959. Unfortunately, I am alone and I checked the books of my husband to tell me what he was paying. There was an 80% increase of rate in my total assessment. In 69-70 the raise became 300%. My taxes are $600 plus of the value of 1959. I was thinking of fuel, house costs, school. In 1963 I was offered the rate of school teachers and the aalary rate of teachers is $8,000 so the increase of $600 plus seems enormous. I agree with the assessment of land because I know that land is more valuable especially on the shore line. I did not want to make a comparison with neighbors. I don't want to hurt my neighbors. I agree on the assessment on land. Everyone wants to invest in land. But on the house, it makes my tax bill fantastic. When you look at it the building was depreciated. This is my home and it has a sentimental value. The house value has gone up 63% with a clergy exemption. I think a fair assessment would be $2,000. There is also the question of my clergy exemption. I think the clergy exemption should also be increased. MRS. LYTLE: That 's set by law. MR. DE MAULA: Is this a misprint? The full value of the property was $900,000? MR. FOX: It should be $99,000. MRS. LIMOUZE: We were offered Residential or Commercial. We took Residential and that probably was at the time of the assessment. MRS. LYTLE: The property is insured for $28,000 including contents. MRS. LIMOUZE: That is house and contents. MRS. LYTLE: Do you have a garage? Does your car fit into it? MRS. LIMOUZE: Yes. • Grievance Day Town of Southold -36 July 17, 1973 MRS. LYTLE: Are there any further questions? MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. We will hold another meeting and review the testimony. We will write you within two weeks. 18. Gertrude McLean Harold Reese Jr. and ano. RFD Laurel Hollow Blue Marlin Drive Southold, New York Petitioner believes assessment should be reduced to $6,300. Mr. De Maula administered. the Oath. Mrs. McLean responded "I do". MRS. LYTLE: Is this assessment that you wish reduced on your house or land? MRS. McLEAN: On the house. I work for Mr. Reese. I am a little familiar with what he requests. He wants you to look at the house again. MRS. LYTLE: Did he ask to have it looked at before Grievance Day? It is up to the Assessors to look at the house. MRS. McLEAN: I don't think he was aware of that. MRS. LYTLE: I do not believe it is our job to reassess. MRS. McLEAN: He wanted it reduced to the former figure of $6,300 which he thought was fair. MRS. LYTLE: That was the 1965 figure. MRS. McLEAN: I guess he thought it was high then. MR. HEUSER: Is anyone living there now? MRS. McLEAN: He rents the house. MR. HEUSER: It is assessed at 25% of market value. MRS. McLEAN: The house was in a shambles and he did want me to tell you. this. MR. DE MAULA: The house is assessed at $3,400. MRS. McLEAN: What would be the procedure? MRS. LYTLE: Talk to the Assessors. Grievance Day Town of Southold -37- July 179 1973 MRS. LYTLE: They would like the assessment reduced back to 1963, if possible. They claim that the house is in poor condition. MR. E. FOX: We can investigate for you and recommend to you. You can take our :recommendations or discard them. MRS. LYTLE: We think we are within our rights to ask an Assessor to go down and reinvestigate the premises. Unless we find anything to the contrary, we will have an Assessor reinvestigate. MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. After a further investigation, you will be notified. 19. Samuel S. Markel Box 436 Lot #74 School Dist. #5 Southold, N. Y. Harbor Lights Land: $1,300 Total: $7,000 Petitioner wishes assessment reduced to $6,000. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Markel responded ""I do". MRS. LYTLE: You ask for a reduction from $7,000 to ,$6,000. I assume it's on the house. MR. MARKEL: I can eLve you the assessment of every house on the street. All have full basements. My basement is 12 ' x 100 . MR. HEUSER: Is it a crawl basement? MR. MARKEL: It's just for a water tank. The Assessors are aware of that but did not assess me accordingly. As far as construction goes, I stated how much it cost me, and I have bills to prove it. I have no insurance on it. I made it myself with a hired man. My material cost was $10,000 and I have every bill I paid for Scholl and myself. MRS. LYTLE: You show the cost of construction to be $16,000. Your permit is for $20,000 for the building. MR. MARKEL: The only insurance I have on the house is liability. I only live in it six months of the year. I live on the Sound. I paid $6,500 for the lot. We were supposed to have the roads fixed. We don't have Town roads. MRS. LYTLE: You say the house cost $16,000 to build and you paid $6,500 for the land. How long ago did you buy the land? Grievance Day Town of Southold -38- July 17, 1973 MR. MARKEL: Three or four years ago. The .reason the permit was for $20,000 was that originally I was going to have a full basement but then found out the construction costs. MRS. LYTLE: Don't you think that the house is worth more than it was in 1970. Your assessed valuation is $7,000. On the basis of 25% your house would be valued at $28,000. Would you be able to buy that same place for less? MR. MARKEL: I can duplicate it tomorrow. My big argument is that there are people with better houses and they pay less. MRS. UTU E: In other words, you are basing it on inequality. MR. MARKEL: On two things. I don' t have a basement. I don't want anything for nothing. MRS. LYTLE: We will make comparisons and see how it works out. MR. MARKEL: I never came to this place before. MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. We will hold another meeting and review the testimony. You will hear from us in about two weeks. 20. Mattituck Shopping Center Main Road, Rte. 25 & Factory Ave. Mr. Thomas James Cassella #504, Route 110 Huntington Station, N. Y. 11746 Land: 51.,700 Total : $339,900 (Partial ) Petitioner requests land value be reduced to $45,000. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Cassella responded "I doll, MRS. LYTLE: As I understand it, you are just asking for a reduction on land. MR. CASSELLA Land and building taxes throughout. MRS. LYTLE: You say the property is insured. MR. CASSELLA: For $198009,000 including liability. MRS. LYTLE: Insurance on land, buildings, parking field, light poles. Grievance Day Town of Southold -39- July 17 , 1973 MRS. LYTLE: $180,000 is land and buildings. DiH. CASSELLA: No, that's land value. MR. DE MAULA: It 's not completed yet is it? MR. CASSELLA: No , it is not. MRS. LYTLE: On buildings, you are assessed at a value of $288,000. The Assessors place 25`,g on their assessed valuation for buildings. We do not go by the equalization rate. They assessed you for 25;$ of the value of the land. If we figure 25% of 81,414,848, it would make the buildings underassessed. We value the buildings at 25% of market value. MR. CASSELLA: What is your figure on the total assessed valuation of the buildings? MRS. LYTLE: $288,200 x 4 = $1,152 ,800. MR. CASSELLA: Basically your assessment is lower than mine. MRS. LYTLE: That' s what I was calling your attention to. The Assessors were a little generous. MR. CASSELLA: The actual construction of buildings is $191149800. MRS. LYTLE: Are you talking about a complete figure? MR. CASSELLA: Yes. A & P is completed; the movie theater is 85% completed, W. T. Grant is 9.5% completed. There is 90% completion on the whole project. We have 34,000 sq. ft. on mercantile stores which has not started. According to Mr. Tabor, the mercantile stores are going to be increased $1 a square foot assessed valuation on original figures. We came out with a total. tax, which I presented to our stockholders, of $46:712.20. I feel that under the partial assessment that we had, we are going to be over this figure by about $8,000 to $10,000. The total partial assessment is $339,900; the amount of the tax bill is $46,712 partial.. MR. DE MAULA: What you are saying is that you are approximately $4,000 off over the estimated figure without completion of the mercantile stores. MR. CASSELLA: I understand that Mr. Tabor gave a full assess- ment on Grants, which is not completed; a full assessment on A & P; and the theater, which is not completed. I don't feel we should have full assessment now. Then he told us that he is going to increase the mercantile stores. Also, he has told usithat he is giving us 25% for land evaluation and is also charging us on a front; footage basis. On the figures he projected to me from 1969 to 1973 on the project he gave me a total rate of 9.22 and now he brings us to 13.75 per 100. This he wrote in 1969, which I have submitted to my lenders as well as stockholders. I don't understand the .25 plus additional for each front foot. Grievance Day Town of Southold -40- July 17, 1973 MR. DAVID WALKER: We do this on the front footage basis on the land. The building was done on the square foot basis. We are using the tax rate from 1969 against the tax rate for 1973-74. MR. CASSELLA: Mr. Tabor projected it 1969 to 1973. MR. WALKER: The tax rate is 13.75. MR. CASSELLA: He had projected this for a five year period. MRS. LYTLE: You say you have been charged two different ways. You have 646.83 front footage at $80 per .front foot, making $51,700. That 's all you are charged. MR. CASSELLA: But that's .25 which brings us up to $206,800. Mr. Tabor's reasoning is that we have a lot of poles in the ground. From 72 poles we went to 239 poles. He feels we should be assessed some money after spending $189,000. MR. DE MAULA.: On the mercantile stores, how much square footage has to be built? MR. CASSELLA: 34,000 sq. ft. MR. DE MAULA: What was the rate before this? You said he was going to increase this by $1 when they are completed. What was the original quote on that? MR. CASSELLA: That, he never gave me. MR. DE MAULA: The number I am trying to arrive at. . . what is the total cost going to be to you with the additional $1 plus what it was origin&lly? What is going to be the total cost to you? MR. CASSELLA: He never gave me an individual rate for the mercantile stores. My associate tried, my attorney tried. MRS. LYTLE: Have you anything in writing? MR. CASSELLA: No. MR. DEMAULA: If t�hx-is .is Completed , tax tax Figure? MR. CASSELLA: ±: don' t '{not.". Personally I am being hurt because my lending institution won't give me my permanent mortgage. 1 am having a problem. The bank is insisting on a high rate of interest now. MR. FOX: I don't know who is going to be responsible for this until our election of the Board of Assessors. School taxes are going down, Cutchogue as well as Southold. Grievance Day Town of Southold -41- July 17 , 1973 MR. CASSELLA: I am not going to get a permanent mortgage until I can clarify this with the bank. MRS. LYTLE: Is there a possibility of going over these figures and explaining them a little more clearly. We understand you are $80 a front foot. MR. CASSELLA: That' s based on .25 which means the property value is $206,800. As a real estate broker I disagree that is a fair market value. MR. FOX: Our figure includes lighting fixtures. MR. DE MAULA: That $206,800 includes blacktopping. MR. HEUSER: Approaching it from the angle of improvements and figuring 25;$ off that , what would your approach be to that? MR. CASSELLA: I would be very happy to sit down with some Assessor and go over the entire case. MRS. LYTLE: Do you have any suggestions, Mr. Fox? MR. CASSELLA: It's not my intent to try and save $5,000, $6,000 or $7,000 if I am supposed to pay it but the lenders will not issue my permanent mortgage until we have this straightened out , on taxes. The difference seems to be $8,000 to $9,000 which my lenders and stockholders won' t accept and the lenders will depreciate my permanent mortgage. MRS. LYTLE: Mr. Fox, Mr. Walker, and Mr. Fickeissen, how soon can you see Mr. Cassella? MR. DE MAULA: There seem to be too many loose ends. I could not make an honest decision. MRS. LYTLE: After consulting with the Assessors, all three will meet you Friday morning at 9:30 A.M. at your place and see what information they can come up with, and they will report back to us. According to law we can not make a decision at this time. We will hold another meeting and review the testimony. When our investigation has been completed you will be notified. Grievance Day Town of Southold -42- July 17 , 1973 21. Mrs. Cornelia S. Hubbard Bergen Avenue 137 Hubbard Avenue Mattituck, N. Y. Riverhead, N. Y. Petitioner requests that assessment be reduced to $12,000. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. and Mrs. Hubbard responded "I do". MRS. HUBBARD: (referring to map) The land is rocky and not very good to the north of that natural drainage in the center of that piece. It is unuseable for anything to the west. Actually, if you look at it from an investment standpoint, this is anything but practical unless we sold it and got Capital Gains, and we don't want to put in any developments at the present time. MR. DAVID WALKER: We found they had 60 acres of land there that was not in contention at that time. We made a survey to see if any of it was untillable. As you go through there are at least 10 acres that are not tillable. We took 10 acres off. He came in with the fact that he had farmed 42 acres and is now down to 40 acres so we made the change of 10 acres as we did not have the benefit of the fact that there was only 40 acres farmed. We felt that at least 10 acres could not be farmed. MR. HEUSER: You did reduce their taxes? MR. WALKER: Yes. From $15,000 assessment to $13,500 until we determine if there are 10 other acres, on which the same con- sideration should be given. MRS. HUBBARD: Your assessed valuation was $15,000 and the Assessors reduced it to $13,500. MR. HUBBARD: Look at the north end of the property. MR. WALKER: They tried to plant some onions there but it looks as if he had to abandon it in the middle of it. MR. FICKEISSEN: It was farmland but we did charge him for more acreage. I believe there was 18 acres on some other description. Years ago farmland was broken down. MRS. LYTLE: You would like to have the other 10 acres reduced? MR. WALKER: Ed Fickeissen and I drove over it. There may be more than the 10 acres we saw. The man's word, in this case, might prove to be fact. He said he is getting 40 acres out; and we were making a cursory observation of the property. Grievance Day Town of Southold -43- July 17, 1973 MR. HEUSER: That adjusted sheet there does not change your thinking in any way. You have a 10;g reduction for that 10 acres. MR. WALKER: He said there were only 40 acres he could farm. If the wetland is good solid land he would have to take that rate so there may not be any reduction. We will have to determine how much of the wetland is tillable. We will have to take a look at it. MRS. LYTLE: What did you think you were taxed on? MRS. HUBBARD: I thought it was $15,000. MRS. LYTLE: Now that you know it 's $13000 are you satisfied? MRS. HUBBARD: It 's better to have it useable than not to use it at all. MRS. LYTLE: The assessment is not based on whether you use it or not. MR. DE MAULA: You have 40 acres of tillable land, 10 acres that would probably not be good for building, and 10 acres of wetland. MR. FICKEISSEN: The north end of the farm is not good land. It is too sandy to farm. We still carry that at $230. an acre everywhere else. MR. HUBBARD: I am sure you folks know your business. MRS. LYTLE: We cannot make a decision at this time, according to law. We will let you know our findings in about two week's time. 22. David C. Walker Cutchogue, New York Before Mr. Walker was sworn in there was a discussion on his veterans exemption. Mrs. Judy King was called in to explain it to him. Mrs. King said that the notice was written wrong. . .it should have read $1,200 Land and $49500 Total. The Veterans Administration deduction was incorrectly figured on the form. Mr. Walker said that it is noted on the assessment roll as $6,200, and that he had been raised $2,000. Mr. Fox explained that that was on his house. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Walker responded III do's • MR. DAVID C. WALKER: My claim is that my assessment is Grievance Day Town of Southold -44- July 17, 1973 excessive, $6,200. My house, I can see being classed as waterview property although I can't see the water. I can only use com- parisons with my neighbors. One is twice as deep as mine and wider and their assessment is $69500. What I feel is that this veterans exemption thing did enter into the thing, and I think that 's wrong. MR. E. FOX: You can rest assured it did not enter into it. MR. WALKER, Assessor: We will break the land down and the building down. He doesn't know the exact comparisons with neighbors. We can compare them with him. We will talk about land first, and then the building. MR. HEUSER: You have reduced the land $300. MRS. LYTLE: There is a reduction on land but an increase on the house. MR. WALKER: The houses alongside me may have as much property but I have not done anything to my house in three years except to paint it. MRS. LYTLE: You paid approximately $39,000 for the house. You are assessed on the basis of $6,200 and that is 25%, which would bring it up to $24,$00. You paid more than that for the house. This has nothing to do with the Veterans Administration. MR. WALKER: I had incorrect figures for the Veterans Ad- ministration. Probably it's my fault. I feel that this house I bought was built in 1922 and I can't see that it is worth that much more. I don't mind if everyone is assessed equally. There is a lot across from me, and Mr. Walker says I don't know the dimensions, but it's 100' x 4001 , Bickert. Does the amount of area include a cellar? I have a very small cellar, it 's not under the whole house. MR. FOX: The Bickert property is assessed at , than three times on the land, and less on the property. MR. HEUSER: I suggest that one of the Assessors speak further with Mr. Walker in the other office. MRS. LYTLE: Are there any further questions? If not, I will advise you that according to law, we can not make a decision now but will notify you within about two week's time of our decision. Grievance Day Town of Southold -45- July 17, 1973 23. William C. Hees Matilda K. Bees Sound Avenue & Aldrich Lane 2 Grey Birch Court Mattituck, N. Y. Dix Hills, N. Y. Land: $7,700 Total: $10,900 Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Hees responded "1 do" MRS . LYTLE: You have a new survey map. MR. BEES: The survey was done on November 1, 1972. If you run calculations on the acreage it does bring it down considerably. I think the one shown on the tax map goes back to a survey of 1933. I can leave this survey with you. MRS. LYTLE: We will attach it to your papers. MR. BEES: This is involved with the C. W. Levon problem. I am the oldest one in my area to know what has.:happened. I came out in 1946. The survey shows that most of the erosion has occurred since 1968. As I pointed out in my letter; the sand has been slung up on the other side of the jettys. It's dangerous, the water comes up to the base of the cliff and you have to evacuate the beach. There was always a beach. I have steps down to the beach and my cliffs are worse than what is shown on this map. My steps are going. There is no access to the beach. I have no use of the beach. I can't reshape my stairway because the normal angle of the cliffs has been disturbed. You can see what has happened on other property. You get a vertical cliff and it causes the land to break away and eventually it washes into the Sound. I don't intend to build any other steps or stairways. We now use the Mattituck Town Beach. We are losing vegetation. MRS. LYTLE: It 's still waterfront property whether you can put in stairways or not. You might have redress on the depth of, your land if you submit a new map to re-evaluate it. MR. BEES: A man should be entitled to use his land. I can't get to my land in the middle of the winter. Grievance Day Town of Sauthold -46- July 17, 1973 MRS. LYTLE: As far as land is concerned, it is assessed as to what the land is worth whether it is used for summer, winter, or at all. If you are in on a private road you are in the same position as anyone else on a private road. You only get service in an emergency and this is why the Town has been asking for 35 foot roads. You are in no different position than a great many summer people out here. (A comment was made about Lilco buying land). MRS. LYTLE: I don't think we can get too involved in Che Lilco angle. MR. HEES: It is public knowledge that Lilco has bought that land. If you came to buy my land, you would know that they had bought that land. MRS. LYTLE: You can come back next year on this. The only thing I can see here, as I go over it, is that you might tell us about the house. MR. HEES: We have always used this only in the summer time. Therefore, we board it up in the winter because of excessive winds and sand. The exterior of the house may be misleading. I have never improved it, and I don't think I will improve it as I am afraid it might go right to the edge of a cliff, the way the bluff is dropping off. MR. HEUSER: We all board in') sur summer bungalows in the month of October; and then sweep tLe s--.-tow away. MR. HEES: I get no snow maintenance, no highway service. MRS. LYTLE: How much do you think it would cost you to replace that house today? MR. HEES: Land and house? MRS. LYTLE: Just the house value, $12,800. Do you think you could replace that today? In other words, they have valued the house at $12,800 which is a much lower rate. MR. HEES: I was looking at houses along the Expressway, with full heat, and they were $22,000. You would have to take out something for the land. $12,000 might be high; it's old and I have termites in the wood. MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not give a decision tonight. We will investigate and notify you in about two weeks. Grievance Day Town of Southold -47- July 17, 1973 24. Julius F. Jezek RFD #1 Box 206B 4145 Pequash Avenue Cutchogue 11935 Cutchogue, N. Y. 11935 Land: $1,100 Total: $4,700 Petitioner wishes assessment reduced to $3,780.00 Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Jezek responded "I do" • MRS. LYTLE: How much did you pay for your property? MR. JEZEK: $21,000 in 1971. MRS. LYTLE: Your land assessed valuation is $1,100 plus $39600 for the house; that brings it up to $4,700 assessed valuation. The valuation represents 25% of market value of the property. Four times that figure would bring it up to $18,800, which is less than youpaid for the house. MR. JEZEK: I was told about the equalization rate. MRS. LYTLE: We don't use that. We use 25% of the value of the house and land. MR. JEZEK: Some of my neighbors' land has remained the same. MRS, LYTLE: Mr, Fox is pulling the cards of some of your neighbors. MR. DE MAULA: Does the $20,000 of insurance include some of the furnishings of the house? MR. JEZEK: I believe it does. MR. DE MAULA: That brings it somewhere in line with the 25% of assessed valuation. Your insurance company would send a representative to look at the house. MR. JEZEK: I took that out in Great Neck, MR. DE MAULA: Figuring on 20%, the value of your house would be somewhere around $16,500. MRS. LYTLE: One of your neighbors, Olivera; the house was reduced but the land goes by the foot. MR, JEZEK: He has more land. MR. FICKEISSEN: We do it by what the land comes out to. MR. FOX: If there is no change at all we try to get it so you are not way up. He is assessed on three different parcels. Grievance Day Town of Southold -48- July 17, 1973 MR, FOX: Erwin; they only have a quarter of an acre of land. MRS. LYTLE: Your frontage is different. :It 's all based on front foot. MR. JEZEK: Bernardi has a brand new house, almost a half acre, their property was raised almost double. Mine was more than tripled. MRS. LYTLE: That 's because it was not assessed since 1965, MR. JEZEK: Theirs were assessed at the same time, were they not? MR. HEUSER: They are not all assessed at the same time. MR. DE MAULA: Bernardi's figure is $900 from $565. His land was $200 and yours was $300, As of this date his land has gone up over four times. Yours was $300, his was $200. Yours is now $1,100, his is $900. His taxes have been raised equally with yours. MR. JEZEK: His is a brand new house, mine is an old house about 50 years old. The floor is sagging. The reason alterations had to be made was because of termites. MRS. LYTLE: Is there anything else you can tell us? (There was no response. MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. We will let you know our decision in about two week's time. At 5:30 P.M. Mrs. Lytle entertained a motion to adjourn. On motion by Mr. Heuser, seconded by Mr. De Maula, it was RESOLVED to adjourn the Grievance Day hearings until 7:00 P.M. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Bogan, Heuser, De Maula; Mrs. Lytle. Grievance Day Town of Southold -49- July 1.7, 1973 MRS. LYTLE: The Grievance Board has reconvened at 7:05 P.M. 25. Elizabeth C. Faucon P. O. Box 602 Agent: Wickham & Lark Southold, New York Main Rd. , Mattituck, N. Y. Land: $800 Total : $4,100 Petitioner requests assessment be lowered to $3,000. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath to Mr. Faucon. Mr. Faucon responded "I do". MRS. LYTLE: The tax book says that the assessed valuation of the property is $3,300. An adjustment has been made sirioe this form was made out. It was $49100 originally; it is now $3,300. . . $800 for land and $29500 for house. You are requesting a total assessed valuation of $3,000. What is the size of the land? MR. FAUCON: 3/4 of an acre. MR. DE MAULA: Do you have any insurance on personal property? MR. FAUCON: I have an antique heirloom, a dining room set. MR. DE MAULA: The property is insured for $20,000. MR. FAUCON: That 's everything. I have 10 x 10's in that old house someplace. My insurance man told me he did not know how to adjust that. MR. FOX: This house has appreciated at 70%. MRS. LYTLE: This $10,000 only represents 30% of the value. MR. FOX: He is living in a house with a much cheaper rate than a summer place with no heat. He has the cheapest rate possible. MR. HEUSER: Land value is $800; purchased in 1942 for $6,000. MR. FAUCON: That was for theuhole thing. MRS. LYTLE: The value of land in that area has gone up tremendously since 1942. MR. HEUSER: You bought it for $6,000. You have it valued at $3,200. That 's quite a concession. Grievance Day Town of Southold -50- July 17, 1973 MR. FAUCON: That was a bigger piece of property. I sold part of it. We had more than an acre. I only have 3/4 of an acre according to your description on the tax map. MRS. LYTLE: You think the house has greatly depreciated? What is the market value on that basis? Some houses can be restored. MR. FICKEISSEN: I would say we have gone overboard on this. MR. FOX: Today, the market is going wary up on old houses. MRS. LYTLE: They have big rooms and high ceilings. MR. DE MAULA: Do you have any documentation of anyone offering you between $3,000 and $5,000? MR. FAUCON: I claim the house is not saleable because you would have to rip all the walls out. MRS. LYTLE: Basically, the house was well constructed. MR. FAUCON: It burns too much oil. I burn over $500 worth of oil trying to keep the downstairs comfortable. The furnace is 1937 or 1936 hot water. MRS. LYTLE: I was, at one time, very familiar with the house. I wonder if it is restoreable. MR. FOX: It is restoreable. MRS. LYTLE: You must have put a kitchen in there. MR. FAUCON: I did not put any kitchen in there. It was there. MRS. LYTLE: I am talking about a sink and running water. You say you have made no improvements since you bought the house but you must have made some improvements when you bought the house. MR. DE MAULA: Have you ever had this house appraised? MR. FAUCON: No. MR. DE MAULA: The only appraisal has been by the Assessors of this Town? MR. FAUCON: Yes. Grievance Day Town of Southold -51- July 17, 1973 MRS. LYTLE: Are you having Wickham & Lark file this claim or are you doing it? MR. FAUCON: They made that out. I don't know anything about i.t. MRS. LYTLE: Are there any questions? (There was no response. ) MRS. LYTLE: According to law we can not make a decision at this time. Mr. Lark is aware of this, he has appeared here before. We will hold another meeting and review the testimony. We will let you know the result of our findings in about two week's time. 26. John J. O'Neill P. 0. Box #551 Cutchogue, N. Y. Lot 20 Peconic Bay Prop, Mr, De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. O'Neill responded "I do". MRS. LYTLE: These are two separate plots. MR. O 'NEILL: I am the owner of Lot 16 and half of Lot 15 which is property on the Bay, and my house is located on that lot, plus a garage. I am also the owner of Lots 20 and 21 which are under-water lots and I have with me a map which shows them to be under water. This was prepared as of July 28, 1966 by Van Tuyl & Son. It's the latest map we have on this particular strip where these two lots are located. On a prior tax assessment these lots were assessed for $100. As of this year, the latest assessment shows an increase on the land to $300, which is a $200 increase on each lot. These lots (I wish to hold them) extend out into Hays Cove and will never be useful again because of wetlands. Therefore I feel that the assessments on Lots 20 and 21 should be reduced to $100. MRS. LYTLE: Are there any questions? (There was no response.1 MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. We will hold another meeting and review the testimony. When our investigation has been completed you will be notified. Grievance Day Town of Southold -52- July 17, 1973 27, John J. O'Neill Nassau Point Cutcho�_,rue, N. Y. Mr, De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. O'Neill responded "I do". MRS. LYTLE: Did you bulkhead these lots this year? MR. O 'NEILL: No. Zhe bulkheading was put in originally in 1958. MR. FOX: With this map he has here, you can see it. MR. BOGAN: You are across the road. You own 16 and half of 15. MR, O 'NEILL: If you note, the road extends out. In fact the road with the broken line is water. I keep a boat here. My dock is beyond the road. This bulkheading was not built as of 1973. They picked it up then but I originally put the bulkheading in here in 1958. The garage is on my property and the house is on my property, and I have blacktop. If I might state, this map was drawn at the time Bill Johnston sold this home to Dr. Perrone who is my neighbor and Dr. Perrone owns half of this lot and I own half. MRS. LYTLE: You should have brought this map into the Assessors long ago. MR. O 'NEILL: At that time there was a transfer of ownership and he drew this up. MR. HEUSER: Where does this road continue? MR. O 'NEILL: It used to stop right here at my property. This has been opened (indicating map) and a road has been laid here and a turn-around. MR. HEUSER: Will he go through your bulkheaded property? MR. O 'NEILL: He will cross the blacktop. This road is a 33' wide road and goes off somewhere where the electric light is. Beyond, where you see my dock, 25 feet out here is wetlands and grass and meadow. This is not useable property. I am not saying I don't want it but no one will ever get permission to build on it or fill it. Grievance Day Town of Southold -53- July 17, 1973 MRS. LYTLE: I suggest that you speak with your Assessor and show him the map. MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. We will review the testimony and will notify you of our decision in about two week's time. 28. Ralph Lavinia Anna L. Lavinia 119 Maple Avenue Southold, New York Land:800 Total:$3,900 MRS. LYTLE: This is the first increase you have had since 1965. Mr, De Maula administered the Oath. Mrs. Lavinia responded "I do" . MRS. LAVINIA: My only feeling, and I will give it to you for what it is worth, is that we sit on that park. When we first bought the place that was a nice little park. Now, they have put in rest rooms and we have a drag strip that goes on down. there. Normally, most property does appreciate in value but in our particular case with every improvement that is made in the park, our property depreciates. It's gotten to be like a Coney Island there now. MR. HEUSER: Does that have a 10 o 'clock closing hour? MRS. LAVINIA: , Yes. As far as the Town is concerned, I am sure every park serves its purpose but for those who sit right on it, it's different. When they put rest rooms in there and a bocci court, it did not enhance, our property. It did not make our property more valuable. I think it's great, Ian a citizen of Southold. I am just making a point that for the benefit of the whole community it is acceptable, but for the people who are sitting right on it, we do have an inconvenience. . . the turn-around in front of my place. MRS. LYTLE: Is there any parking space there? MRS. LXVINIA: I am the last person in the world to say we bhould not have it except that it has not increased the value of my house. I was told that the reason our figures were raised was because we put that little porch on. Grievance Day Town of Southold -54- July 17, 1973 MR. HEUSER: That was only $500 for the porch. MRS. LAVINIA: That 's what it cost me but you assessed me that much. MRS. LYTLE: The land was increased $100 and the house up to $3,100 but that is since 1965. That is a modest increase because the assessed valuation is 25;$ of market value. If you take what you have been assessed and multiply it by four it only brings the house and land up to $15,000. MRS. LAVINIA: I understood that your equalization rate was 18%. I am at a disadvantage now. The book said 21% and also cautioned the reader to check with the Town, and when I called they said 18,%. MRS. LYTLE: Any house they look at they assess at 251x. MRS. LAVINIA: I accept the fact that property values have gone up as we in Southold made improvements to this park but with every improvement my value has to go down. MRS. LYTLE: They have not raised you -,as high as they might have if you lived in a different location. Do you think you could get $16,000 for your house? MRS. LAVINIA: I paid $13,000. MRS. LYTLE: All you were assessed for was $15,300. MRS. LAVINIA: You have me at a disadvantage. I am thinking in terms of every improvement in the park makes me suffer a loss. MU. FICKEISSEN: Would you consider this a fair assessment if the park were not there? MRS. LAVINIA: My grievance is that I am unfortunate enough to be sitting on that park. You put my lot up from $700 to $800 and all we did was add a screened in porch. MR. FICKEISSEN: This house originally had a screened porch here. This is a finished room now. Since this house was looked at, this screened in porch is now part of the house. It is now enclosed. MRS. LAVINIA: There was a screened in porch. Is that the difference? MR. FICKEISSEN: She added a porch of almost the same size as the one that was there. She has no grievance on this house as to the way it is assessed. The annoyance is the park. Grievance Day -55- duly 17, 1973 Town of Southold MR. DE MAULA: If this house could be sold for $16,000, you are still actually ahead. MRS. LYTLE: Is there anything else anyone wishes to add? (There was no response. ) MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. We will notify you in about two week' s time when we have reached a decision. 29. Ralph and Anna Lavinia 119 Maple Avenue Southold, N. Y. Land: $8 ,400 Total. : $17,600 Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mrs. Lavinia responded "I do". MRS. LAVINIA: This is a beautiful home except that no one will ever buy because of that park. At this time, we have created a monster. I like people but we are talking strictly finances. $70,400 is what they feel that piece of property is worth. Would you buy a home worth that much that is next to a park where there are firemen every night, bocci boys, etc. I find myself apologizing. MRS. LYTLE: Was the park there when you bought it? MRS. LAVINIA: No one ever used it. There were just a couple of benches on it. MR. FICKEISSEN: Originally that assessment included all the land up to where the Ferguson house is. That was part of the assessment. It's off now. MRS. LYTLE: There was a split sale to Lavinia in 1968. 1 think this is something else we will have to review. The only trouble is the location. As far as the park is concerned, you bought it only five years ago. MRS. LAVINIA: They have been working on it like crazy. I am saying, really and truly, if the house weren' t where it is, the assessment would be fair. MRS. LYTLE: The bocci court was there two years ago. MRS. LAVINIA: Our boy died in 1970, and there had been so much noise he couldn' t sleep. Grievance Day Town of Southold -56- .July 17, 1973 MRS. LYTLE: When did the changes start in the park? MRS. LAVINIA: About two or three years ago. That 's progress, but all I know is what it is doing to us. MR. DE MAMA: You want this returned to the 1967 assessment? MRS. LAVINIA: That 's all I can ask for. Everything else benefits but we suffer. Nobody is going to pay top dollar. We also have a smoke house for eels on the other side. MRS. LYTLE: We will talk this over and notify you within about two weeks' time as to our. decision. 30. Lawrence Fried South Harbor Road Southold, New York Land: $800 Total : $4,200 Petitioner feels property should be assessed at $2,800. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Fried and his sister, Miss Fried, responded "I dor`. MRS. LYTLE: I notice that this increase is the first increase since 1964. MISS FRIED: We feel it is double the amount in assessed value. We feel our property is not any more impressive in any way than the properties surrounding us; people who are taxed lower than we are. MRS. LYTLE: These small plots go by front footage. Yours is 100 foot frontage and they are charging $8 a. front foot. MRS. LYTLE: What about the house? MISS FRIED: We have a basement that is not finished. We only have a basement under the living room and dii.ing room. The two neighboring homes which have less assessment that we do have complete finished with complete kitchen facilities. I think these are the things that are important in realizing how we could sell the house for a certain figure. • . Grievance Day Town of Southold -57- July 17 , 1973 MRS. LYTLE: How much do you think you could sell it for? MISS FREED: $20,000 but 1 am not sure about that. MR. DE MAULA: It ' s assessed at $16,800 with the new increase. They figure fair market value of your home. MISS FRIED: What about the 18% equalization rate. MR. DE MAULA: They don' t use that. MRS. LYTLE: The Assessor goes out and assesses at 25%. In other words, your land was assessed at $800 so multiply that by 4; the Assessor figures your land was worth $30200. your house was assessed at $3,400 so multiply that by 4; the Assessor figured your house was worth $13,600. That brings the total up to $16,800. Do you think you could get that amount? MISS FRIED: I would think we could get that. We paid $9,000 for it The Board discussed adjoining properties for comparison: One house where the basement was utilized was assessed at $3,700 in comparison to $3,400 for the Fried's house. The value of another neighboring property was roughly $19,200 as of 1969. MR. DE MAULA: They have not been assessed this year, as you have. When they are eventually reassessed it will put them up once more. In 1969 you were paying on $8,800 while they were paying on $19,200. Now you are catching up. You have now been reassessed. They will be caught up when they are reassessed. MISS FRIED: If these properties were put up for sale, :1 know their houses would go faster than ours. On our bedrooms we have a heavy drawback. They are not insulated . We have two bedrooms, a kitchen, and a spare room. We have put on aluminum siding. This was necessary because the old asbestos shingles were falling off. We took out a loan and did the outside of the house. It is a burden that we are still carrying. MRS. LYTLE: You have a house that you recently put aluminum siding on, it is an improvement, and you are being assessed on property worth $16,800. MISS FRIED: We are people who come down here on weekends; we work in the city, get a month's vacation and use it here. We are paying road taxes, school taxes, Town taxes. As visitors, this is a hardship. MRS. LYTLE: We are not permitted to consider hardship. Grievance Day Town of Southold -58- July 179 1973 MISS FRIED: I think it should be considered. MRS. LYTLE: This is statute law. We don't have anything to say about it. MISS FRIED: My brother had to retire due to bad health so these are the points of the case. MRS. LYTLE: I appreciate your problems. MISS FRIED: I found that we were the only ones who had been doubled. The tax rates have not been standing still. MRS. LYTLE: That, we have no control over. MR. DE MAULA read a. paragraph from the Guidelines explaining what the Board is allowed to consider. MISS FRIED: My brother is a veteran. We just applied this year. We didn't do it before because we felt things were alright with us. MR. DE MAULA: You must take advantage of it. It is there for your protection. MRS. LYTLE: You understand our position. MISS FRIED: I think it is much too high. With the other taxes increasing, it is impossible. MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. We will hold another meeting and review the testimony. Within about two week's time we will notify you. MISS FRIED: Where else can I go? MRS. LYTLE: Your only redress is the court. This is State law. 31. Leonard H. Scott and ano. Box 8G West Road 186-11 Healey Road Cutchogue, New York Jamaica Estates,N.Y. 11432 Land: $500 Building: $3,000 Total: $4, 500 Petitioner believes that assessment should be $3,500 total. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Scott responded "I do" . Grievance Day Town of Southold -59- July 17, 1973 MRS. LYTLE: When our Asses ors go down they look at property and figure what the market value is and then they assess that at 259' of the market value. Your land is assessed at $1, 500 and your house is assessed at $3,000; a total of $4,500. Four times $4,500 is $18,000 fair market value. You say you paid $220000 for the house. MR. SCOTT: The house is about 100 years old and if I moved here permanently I would knock the whole house down. If I sold now, they would not even consider the house. You can't live there in the winter. MRS. LYTLE: A summer house on that piece of land your Assessors feel is worth $18,000. They can't be too far off. MR. SCOTT: I don't have time to find out what my neighbors are paying on. What I am saying is that that piece of property has gone up 300;$. MRS. LYTLE: You were underassessed so they brought it up. You had a break until the time that they got to reassessing. MR. SCOTT: The fellow I bought it from paid $111200 for that house. MRS. LYTLE: Do youxealize how prices of houses have jumped! If we got right down to the fine points, we could say your property was underassessed. MR. HEUSER: You did pay $22,000. You figured you were getting your money's worth? MR. SCOTT: At the time I sold my other house so I figured I would buy this house. I rented it for eight years. He played on my sentiment for the house. I think I over-paid for it. I can't really say that I am right and you are wrong. MRS. LYTLE: Have you anything else to tell us? Do you have any concrete reasons? MR. SCOTT: I think 300°, is very inequitable. MR. DE MAULA: We will check the adjoining properties. MR. SCOTT: It's none of my business but there are two or three houses on a property and they pay less than I do. I don't want to mention names. He has two houses, and is renting one of them. Most of the people come from where we live in the city, Jamaica Estates, MRS. LYTLE: We will see what we can find out. Grievande Day -60- July 17, 1973 Town of Southold MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. You will be notified in about two week's time. 32. Katharine M. Latham Box 689 Orient, N. Y. Gerald Latham $200 1972-73 900 1973-74 Petitioner feels that assessment should be reduced to $200, as it was. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Latham responded "I. do". MRS. LYTLE: The land with no house on it was assessed at $200 and now it has been increased to $900.00. MR. LATHAM: It's meadowland. They put it up a great deal higher than farmland. I can't do a thing with this meadow land. I will trade two acres of meadow land any day for two acres of farm land. It's restricted by Southold Town. . MR. DE MAULA: Because it's meadow land, it can not be filled, can not be dredged, just grass can grow on it. MR. FICKEISSEN: The bulk of this is meadow land, some of it may even be water. MRS. LYTLE: In other words, there is nothing he can do with this land. MR. LATHAM: Near the road there is a little higher land. MRS. LYTLE: Have you ever tried to sell it ? MR. LATHAM: We don't want to. MR. DEMAULA: Is this designated as wetlands on the Southold Town map. MRS. LYTLE: I would suggest that we check on whether this is designated as wetlands. MR. BOGAN: Are you past the viaduct going into Orient? MR. LATHAM: Yes. Just before Ed Latham's. It 's almost like a pie shape. We only have 50 feet on the Bay; it 's just west of the little shack, right in front of Ike Edwards' place. Grievance Day Town of Southold -61- July 17, 1973 MRS. LYTLE: I am sure the Planning Board must have a map designating wetlands. We will check on it. According to law, we can not make a decision at this time but we will give you an answer in about two week's time. 33. Orville Terry Route 25 Orient, New York Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Terry responded "I do". MR. TERRY: I am protesting both the land and the buildings. The frontage is assessed at so much a foot. It has never been done before. This is not development land. MRS. LYTLE: You don't think it should be so much per foot? MR. TERRY: I think it should be assessed for what it now is which is farm land. This is what caused the big jump in land assessment. On the buildings: these are old farm buildings. The change was to assessthem by the square foot but these big old buildings make a pretty big assessment. MRS. LYTLE: How do you use these barns? MR. TERRY: For storage. Part of my land is rented to my cousin for farming and part is idle. MRS. LYTLE: What is that small building? MR. TERRY: That's a small bungalow which they call an "out" building which used to be for a tenant farmer and which is now rented. Some of the barns are in poor condition, some not so bad. My objections are to the front footage basis of taxing instead of farm acreage basis. MR. FOX: They are waterfront plots. MR. TERRY: They are on the opposite end from the house on the sound. MRS. LYTLE: You have 25 acres that they consider farm land, that is $250. The rest of it is 1 acre taken out for two house plots. MR. TERRY: I have no objection to that. MRS. LYTLE: They have valued that at $1,200. MR. TERRY: My basic argument is on the north end and I think that should be farm land. It's Christmas trees which I think is a farm crop. Grievance Day Town of Southold -62- July 17, 1973 MR. DE MAULA: That was brought up at the meeting. Christmas trees are not considered a farm product. They are classified as Commercial. They have broken this down. It doesn't get preferential treatment. MR. TERRY: I would still argue that it is not front footage. MRS. LYTLE: It's waterfront. MR. TERRY: It's not being used. MR. DE MAULA: It has the potential. MR. TERRY: It's always been farm land and I am protesting this year. MR. FICKEISSEN: Every farm on the water on the Sound or the Bay goes by front footage. MR. TERRY: It's never been done on this farm, only this year. MR. FOX: We are just getting to some of them. We did over 3,000 properties this year. MR. TERRY: It seems unfair to tax it for something that it is not. MRS. LYTLE: There are many people who own pieces of land on the waterfront. MR. TERRY: It doesn't make sense to hand out a tax easement on one hand and grab it back with another. I think Southold Town should make up its mind. MRS. LYTLE: Some of these things are State law. You were just lucky thalt it did not catch up with you last year. I see your point but I hope you see ours too. MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. We will check the wetlands map and notify you in about two week's time. Grievance Day Town of Southold -63- July 17, 1973 34. William W. Schreiver Barbara D. Schreiver Main Road, Orient, N. Y. $19700 $19700 Petitioner feels assessment should be reduced to $1,000. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Schreiver responded "to the best of my knowledge". MRS. LYTLE% You say part of the land is wetlands? MR. SCHREIVER: This is the map that was drawn for scenic easement. This is the Latham property, this is the Bay, this is wetlands, creek and wetlands, and up above, 100 feet from the Main Road, is where you can actually walk. This is a Van Tuyl map. MRS. LYTLE: This is wetlands that could be dedicated. MR. SCHREIVER: We are trying to get scenic easement. Many of us applied at that time but it was fouled up. We are all oing in for scenic easement on the rest of the property. referring to map) This is East Marion park. '!'+his has no value. This property of J. Tuthill's is high ground but this property has no market value. If you could dredge it and put a marina in it would be valuable. MR. SCHREIVER: I am being assessed $1,700. Ed Latham is being assessed $192 an acre and he farms. Demarest is paying $250 an acre. I am paying double taxes on this land that I can't use. Since 1957 I never set foot on the other side of the creek because I could not get there. MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. We will hold another meeting and review the testimony. You will hear from us in about two weeks. 35. Arthur N. Penny Pike Street Mattituck, N. Y. $600 $6600 Petitioner feels total assessment should be $5,000. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Penny responded "To the best of my knowledge, I. do". MRS. LYTLE: Would you care to give us the names of a couple of these properties that you say are not comparable so we can pull the files? 0 • Grievance Day Town of Southold -64- July 17, 1973 MR. PENNY: John A. Kehoe, David Tuthill, F. A. Gildersleeve Est. , Edward Cavan, David Tuthill. MRS. LYTLE: I should think that on the basis of this, we should stur-y i.t . We assess at 25`x. Somebody gave out an 18% equalization rate MR. PENNY: That figure was given to me last year by Mr. Tabor. MRS. LYTLE: Three of us were on the Board last year and everything was figured at 25% of what they consider the market value to be. MR. PENNY: I will have to withdraw one contention. Based on 256 my property would be worth in excess of $36,000. MRS. LYTLE: You are taxed on your assessed valuation, that 's 25%. That brings it to $26,400. You paid $22, 500 some years back. MR. PENNY: I have $28,000 in that document. It is inequitable with other properties in the same block. My school taxes will rise 50% whole school tax on properties south of Rte 25 will be less because assessments have not been increased. Mr. Walker says they were unable to cover most of the property south of Mattituck. MRS. LYTLE: This is nothing new this year. There are people who have been increased every year in certain areas. MR. PENNY: The assessment has gone up so my school tax will be increased almost 50% more. This should apply to the entire district. MRS. LYTLE: The question is, is it a physical possibility? My understanding is that they have tried to do the bulk of Mattituck. MR. PENNY: Why can 't they put a "withold" until they are completed? It is unfair for people north to pay 50% more and people south will pay less than they did last year. I think I have a legal point. There is protection in the State Constitution which requires that people be treated equally. MRS. LYTLE: This is the point you are referring to. MR. PENNY: Yes. The other one is properties on the same block. I have been put up $2,600. At the same time an old mistake was corrected. My neighbor has a comparable house and a larger lot. What justice is there in it? Both have a one car garage. He has Grievance Day Town of Southold -65- July 17, 1973 a fireplace. MRS. LYTLE: We will pull all these cases thatyou refer to. MR. PENNY: The most valuable property on the block is Tuthill 's house on the corner and he is assessed for $1,000 less than I am. MRS. LYTLE: I assure you we will check it out. According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. You will hear from us in about two weeks. 36. Apolonia Starikewicz RFD Main Road Southold, New York $3,000 $6,500 Two daughters and a son of Mrs. Stankewicz appeared before the Board to speak for their mother. The petitioner feels that there was an over-evaluation of $3,100. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath to Mrs. Stankewicz's son and two daughters. They responded "I do". MRS. LYTLE: It's a good many years since the property was reassessed. MISS STANKEWICZ: About 12 to 13 acres only are tillable. The remainder is all wetlands. It's of no use. When the County made their report they declared that as wetlands. The State came in several years and took 40 feet of the property. They put a pipeline through. They offered $375 for an easement. My father refused to sign anything. What can you do on top of a great big pipe? The bottom land that is there my mother rents it for $75. She is eighty years old. MR. STANKEWICZ: The Town has declared it as Wetlands so it's impossible to do anything with it, all but 1.3 acres. There are two or three acres of woods. MISS STANKEWICZ: 1. would say about 12 acres. MR. DE MAULA: I would assume that the wetlands is designated as swamp land. MR. STANKEWICZ: It 's only 12 acres of farm land. Anyone can check that out. MRS. LYTLE: They allowed 19 acres for farm land. MR. FICKEISSEN: Would you accept $250 an acre for each good acre? MRS. LYTLE: The point is you are getting the benefit of their Grievance Day Town of Southold -66- July 179 1973 figures. $250 an acre for 19 acres and you said 12 acres. MR. STANKEWICZ: There is only 12 acres of farm land. The farm land is good land and I would say is a good assessment. MRS. LYTLE: You have 12 acres at $250 (farm land) = $3,000; 1 acre with house, $1,200. That gives us 13 acres. How many acres do you figure is swampland? MR. STANKEWICZ: We have two acres of woods. The rest is wetlands, 11 acres. The total acreage is 26. MR. DE MAULA: The Assessors say there is six acres of wetlands. You are claiming eleven. MISS STANKEWICZ: You charge $100 an acre for swampland or wetland that can't be used. MR. STANKEWICZ: How can we pay taxes on property that we can't use? MR. DE MAULA: Have those 11 acres formally been declared wetlands by the Town? MR. STANKEWICZ: The map I saw in the Town declared them as wetlands. MR. DE MAULA: We have to determine what the actual acreage is. MRS. LYTLE: Was this land taken out of the total 26 acres? MR. STANKEWICZ: No. From what I. saw on the Town mapq that's in there. I wish it would not be. I don't see why we have to be assessed. MISS STANKEWICZ: I work for the County Executive and his whole spiel is "let's preserve farmland". You are forcing my mother to sell. She could not possibly hold the property if the taxes are up that high. The thing will be on the market, and what will come in, developers. MR. STANKEWICZ: You can't sell that piece. No developer wants it. MRS. LYTLE: We will get the Town map and check out what the Town has actually dee lared wetlands. That's really all we can do. You say you don't have 19 acres in farmland? Grievance Day Town of Southold -67- July 179 1973 MR. STANKEWICZ: The reason why we say 11 acres and show 26 acres of land, totalq is that 12 acres of land, is tillable. MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not give a decision tonight. We will check the Town map and notify you in about two weeks as to our findings. 37. Rose Hofmann 4680 Pequash Avenue Cutchogue, New York $400 $3,000 Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mrs. Hofmann responded '"T do". MRS. HOFMANN: It was raised $600, from $2,400 to $3,000. I pay half taxes. MRS. LYTLE: You think it should be reduced by $200. You wrote $200 but you want it back the way it was before. It is eight years since the property was reassessed and the Assessors feel the value has gone up. They figure out what the market value is and then they assess it; for 25`;-L so you ;erre assc::isec? on the house which would actually be a market value of $10,4009 and your property was assessed at $400. If you were to sell it could you get $12,000? MRS. HOFMANN: You know yourself that it is worth it. If T could live someplace else it would cost me more. MRS. LYTLE: In 1964 you paid $10,500 with furniture. MR. DE MAULA: Would you say that approximately $2,000 worth of furniture was in the house at that time? MRS. HOFMANN: I guess so. MR. HEUSER: The house was sold in 1964 for $10,900 and in 1973 it has gone up $2,000. MRS. LYTLE: Is there anything further you wish to add? (There was no response. ) MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. We will investigate and notify you in about two weeks. Grievance Day Town of Southold -68- July 17 , 1973 38. Marangas, Catherine & Theodore Maiden Lane Mattituck, N. Y. Mr, De Maula administered the Oath. Mr. Theodore Marangas responded "I do" . Mrs. Marangas responded "I do" . MRS. LYTLE: , If I read this correctly you have not been reassessed since 1963 so this is the first assessment in nine years. They did not increase the value of your land but did increase the value of your house. MR. HEUSER: In 1962 , 27A went through there. MRS. LYTLE: That ' s why the land has not gone up because they don' t have as much but the value of their house went up. They did not increase the assessment on your land, Mr. Marangas, because you lost some of it to Suffolk County for a road. The Assessors figure the market value of your house and then take 25`$ of what they consider a fair market value, and that i - i,Lt; ! ,t:,sessed the house :for. They assessed $3,600 and if you multiply that by 4, it comes up to $14 ,400. Do you think it is worth that today? The house was assessed at $1 ,100 nine years ago. MR. MARANGAS: The house, as we bought it, was a shambles. Whatever was done was to make it liveable. I had to put a roof on because the roof leaked. Actually, there is no change except for the front door. We had to move the entrance around on the corner. MRS. LYTLE: Do you think you could get $16,500 for it? MR. MARANGAS: If I sold it for $16,500, 1 could not find another place to live. By the same token, the condition is the result of years to make it liveable. MRS. LYTLE: That ' s what makes it more valuable. MR. MARANGAS: You would have to sell. for $A40,000. MR. FTCKEISSEN: T believe that house was reduced 7 or 8 years ago. MRS. LYTLE: The building was reduced by $100 in 1963• You have had the benefit of not having been assessed earlier be-ause the Assessors can get around just so fast. MRS. MARANGAS: Are they assessing all of Mattituck now? Grievance Day Town of Southold -69- July 17 , 197' MRS. LYTLE: They are trying to. They will 'be assessed next year. We don' t have enough Assessors or enough days in the year. MR. DE MAULA: For nine years you haven't had an increase. 7 would say these figures are fairly well in line. $16,400 is the market value; your insurance for $20,000 on the property less 20% for furnishings. . . approximately 20% for the contents, which would bring it down to $1.6,000 coverage on your property. MR. HEUSER: , I think an item that might be of interest was the change in mortgage. MR. MARANGAS: I think it runs ,Wt. MR. DAVID WALKER: I think these people are entitled to an easement through some property on Maiden Lane that gets them to the water. They have a right of way. MR. MARANGAS: They call :it a right of way but we have nothing in the Deed. MRS. LYTLE: Are there any questions? (There was no response. ) MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. We will hold another meeting and review the testimony. We will notify you in about two weeks when we have made a decision. -X 39. Lura Kruger Peconic, N. Y. 11955 $2 ,400 $6,900 Petitioner feels that assessment should be reduced to $69000. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath. Mrs. Kruger and her daughter, Mrs. De Loiselle, responded "T do". MRS. LYTLE: I note that you have your property insured for $23,000. Is that just the house? MRS. KRUGER: House and garage. MRS. LYTLE: Does that include furnishings? MRS. KRUGER: Yes. MRS. LYTLE: We call your attention to the fact that you have not been reassessed for 12 years. The value of your property must have gone up. MRS. KRUGER: I probably should have come down sooner to complain because I think my property is assessed higher than it Grievance Day Town of Southold -70- July 17 , 1973 should be, on the land. It was raised from $1 ,200 to $2,400. :1 feel I am over-assessed. MRS. LYTLE: You only ask for $900, which brings it down to $6,000, the same as it was before. MRS. KRUGER: My land is $2,400 and there is no one around there who is assessed that high. MRS. LYTLE: Would you give us some comparisons? MRS. KRUGER: Staiger has .499. He has more acreage and pays less; Danska, $5,200 for house and property; and Schultz. I have not made any improvements on my property. I have 150 feet on the nater artc9 less than 100 feet on the road. MRS. LYTLE: You pay for being on the water. You are not on an acreage basis here, you are on front footage. MRS. KRUGER: There are people across the water from me whose property is not assessed as high as mine: Cruikshank, Ba.yli.s, Milosa. They all have .3eop property, 400 feet Jeop. MR. .Iow muci-, do they have on the water? MRS. DE LOISELLE: The assessment is based on the value of the property. MRS. KRUGER: I have not done any improvements since I built it , any more than to have it painted. Danska has completed his basement. MRS. LYTLE: What is the size of your house? MRS. KRUGER: My house is 28 ' x 38 ' . MRS. LYTLE: Your house is larger than Danska's in square footage, plus you have a 12 ' breezeway and a 16 ' x 22 ' garage. His property is 24 ' wide and the porch is in his measurements. MRS. KRUGER: There is a difference of $5,200 vs. $6,900 in assessed valuation. He has complete living quarters in the base- ment with heat. MR. FICKEISSEN: We have no charge for anything in the basement other than a garage. We would not know that he had a finished basement. We have no way of seeing the basement. We don't question a basement; if we see a dormer, we question that. Grievance Day Town of Southold -7.1- July 17, 1973 MRS. DE LOISELLE: Mr. Staiger has a dormer upstairs. Fie has living quarters upstairs. His acreage is higher. MR. FICKEISSEN: The valuation is higher on your mother's house. He has 50' less footage than you have. MRS. DE LOISELLE: Front footage. There should be some con- sideration because it is not a square piece of property He has more acreage than my mother has because his property is deeper and also has more on the road side in footage. MRS. KRUGER: What is the size of his house? MR. BOGAN: 521 long, 24' wide, garage and 10' breezeway. In the back he has a jetty. MR. FICKEISSEN: There is $600 more assessment on his house. MRS. LYTLE: Your mother's property is worth more because she has 150 feet on the water. Everyone in Southold is assessed on that basis. Is there anything further you wish to say? WliS. KRUGER: I just feel T am assessed higher than my neighbors. MRS. LYTLE: According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. We will hold another meeting and review the testimony. When our investigation has been completed you will be notified. 40. Kenneth De Loiselle Nancy De Loiselle Little Neck Road Cutchogue, N. Y. Mr. De Maula administered the Oath, Mr. and Mrs. De Loiselle responded "I do". MRS. DE LOISELLE: We bought our property from D. Moeller. We had a marsh in front. The Trustees had to vote on whether we could have a 50 foot channel. (The Board studied the map . D. Moeller must extend this so we now have an island out here on the other side of the channel. Only at high water can we get in and out. We want the barge removed because we are paying for waterfront property. MR. HEUSER: T think your problem is one for the Town Board. Grievance Day Town of Southold -72= July 17, 1973 MRS. LYTLE: ?•e have made a record of your complaint. Have you been to the Trustees or the Town Board? :SIR. HEUSER: There is no complaint about the assE�:>sriF�rtt v�a3z=4 {>r -Ivoiir• _ynintediate }rod) ;r•iay, ; ,. you can have property? MRS. DE LOISELLE: We would have objections to an assessment if they did not eliminate the barge. MR. DE LOISELLE: Mr. Latham has explained to us that this barge would wash in. The hull is still there. MRS. LYTLE: I think the Trustees could give you an answer. I would suggest that you see Supervisor Martocchia first. The Town Board initiates action. MR. HEUSER: Is there anything in your Deed that implies that Moeller has to keep that channel clear? MRS. DE LOISELLE: No. MRS. LYTLE: I would recommend that you get in touch with Supervisor Martocchia, and also with Mr. Goldsmith, the Chairman of the Board of Trustees. 41. Alfred J. Terp & wf Box 64 Southold, N. Y. $11,000 64,700 Mr. De Maula administered the Oath to Mr. Terp for three hearings, Nos. 41, 42, and 43. Mr. Terp responded "I do". MRS. LYTLE: This petition is on the Drug Store. The purpose of appraisal was for settlement of an Estate. MR. TERP: It was to settle the Estate of Henry Wolf. I reshingled the drug store. It cost $2,000 to change it and the property is insured for $209000, just the building, not the contents. MRS. LYTLE: As we look at this, your land assessed valuation is $1,000; your property is $3,700; which makes a total of $4,700 assessed valuation.. The Assessors look at the property and decide the market value. The assessed valuation is 25% of that. Multiply $4,700 by four and you get $18,800, which would be considered the market value today. Back in 1967 you paid $15,500 for the property. You added improvements of $2,000 in 1970 which. brought it up to $179500. Don't you think that since 1970 the value of that property today would be $1000 more than in 1970? Grievance Day Town of Southold -73- July 17, 1973 MR, TERP: I made a comparison between the north side of the street and the south side of the street on assessed valuation based on front footage. On the south side of the street the assessment is 27. 30 per foot. On the north side it 's 39.10 per foot. MRS. LYTLE: We would have to pull these files, which we will not do tonight. Have you anything further on this particular one? MR. TERP: I do not have any complaint about the building but I felt that if it's 27.30 per foot on one side, it should be a reasonable comparison on the north side. Thereforef I put that in for $100. MRS. LYTLE: You say your land assessment should be reduced to $900.00. MR. TERP: It would go along with the average cost on the south side. I realize it's a petty thing but I thought it would fit into the picture. I am just talking about land. MR. FOX: When you pull the cards, check the depths. MRS. LYTLE: Is there anything else on the Drug Store? MR. TERP: No. 42. Alfred J. Terp & wf Box 64 Southold, N. Y. MR. TERP: This map gives a general idea. MRS. LYTLE: This is just land, and they figure it's gone up $1,400 in nine years. MR. TERP: The original purchase price was $7,000 with house. The house burned down in 1962. It had an evaluation of $1,000 which was the same as the Drug Store at that time. Then the value of the land went to $1 ,400; now it's up to $2,400; $45 a running foot. If you go directly across the street, the North Fork Bank & Trust Company are charged $40 a front foot with a bank on it, and I have an empty lot, and I am letting a man put a garden in. This particular piece of property is of no use for anything. It's a half acre, so , again, this picture shows me there are slight inequities somewhere. MRS. LYTLE: Do you have anything further? Grievance Day Town of Southold -74- July 17, 1973 MR. TERP: This piece of land borders on a piece of land that belongs to Wickham. He has road frontage and he is assessed at $6 a running foot (500 feet with 225 foot depth) , and this has an assessment of $6 a running foot. I feel that things are a little bit out of whack. The bank across the street is assessed at $40 and the empty lot is assessed at $45. No. 14 is Kaelin, No. 15 is R. Cron, and No. 16 is Rysko. They pay an average assessment of 27.30 per running foot. When you take mine, I pay an average of 39.10 per running foot. They are not quite in balance. Very possibly there has been an error. Rysko 's property would be comparable to the Variety Store. Kaelin's would be larger 'than my Drug Store property. You take the other lot with a building on it, and it would compare to my empty lot. Compare Rysko 's land with the Variety Store and then compare Kaelin's or Cron's with the Drug Store. MR. HEUSER: There is a depth factor. MR. TERP: I think they are almost comparable. 125' x 165 ' deep (I have 92 ' x 180' deep). I think that would be a fair comparison. I was using that as a comparison to judge across the street. Nos. 14, 15 and 16 are on the south side of the street which is opposite to Nos. 9, 10 and 11. The one building I am complaining about is the Variety Store, and the land on the north side of the street compared to the south side of the street. MRS. LYTLE: Do you have anything further to say? (There was no response. ) 43. Alfred J. Terp & wf Box 64 Southold, New York (Lois Ann Terp - Variety Store) MRS. LYTLE: Rysko is assessed for $800 more than you on the building. MR. TERP: Rysko 's is two story with an apartment above. The Variety Store is one story and is not ideal construction. The land is double; the house has increased $600. MRS. LYTLE: You have 90.5 feet at $40 a front foot, $3,600. You wish to question that too? • i Grievance Day Town of Southold -75- July 17, 1973 MR, TERP: I wish to equate that with Rysko 's across the street. The average across the street of those three parcels was 27.30, and if you go across to the north side it 's 39.10. MRS. LYTLE: The assessment is $5,600 Land, $9,200 Total. MR. TERP: Looking at the construction of that, I can not see that it is enhanced over what the original assessment was a few years back. MRS. LYTLE: You don't think the value of the building has gone up? MR. TERP: I asked each of the Assessors, when it was assessed at $7000, whether they would be willing to purchase it for $20,000. MRS. LYTLE: On the land, we have all these things to compare. Are you giving us any building to compare it with? MR. TERP: There is no other building that would compare., The place is a mess. It would take a lot to restore the place to business. You would have to put a new front on and a new roof on. It's an architect 's nightmare.. MR. HEUSER: That 's what you paid $28,000 for, land, and building and barn. Now they have it valued at $36,800, assessed valuation by four; $8,000 more than the purchase price. MR. TERP: I am not disputing that. I am disputing the inequity between the north side and the south side. I am not talking about buildings. There are tenements there. MRS . I.YTLE: We can compare all the land. As far as the building is concerned, it would be up to us to make a decision. Can the Assessors give any further information on the building? MR. FOX: It's at 75¢ a square foot. MR. TERP: Compare that to Cliff Tyler's garage. That is assessed at $1 a sq. ft. It's a 6,500 sq. ft. garage. I would change with him tomorrow morning. It 's a cinder block garage, all you would have to do to make it a nice store would be to put a nice front on it. MRS. LYTLE: I think we were asking for comparisons on buildings. You gave us a garage at $1 a sq. ft. MR. TERP: In reference to a piece of land, No. 28 Sidor Realty, this gentleman is charged $28 a foot. (The Post Office is north of this). If you go to No. 12 which is the next piece Grievance Day Town of Southold -76- July 17, 1.973 of property north, there is 550 feet of frontage, 160' depth; this is $5 a foot. A 50' piece of it was sold for $6,500. It would make that piece of property $71,0009 which divided by 4 would bring it down to $17,000 assessment. There is something wrong in this particular equating. No. 2 is Wickham's property. It was sold. The land was assessed at $900, the building $100. A $1.9000 assessment, 90' frontage, 260' depth, $10 a front foot. It sold for $18,000. MRS. LYTLE: I would say we have a few comparisons. MR. FOX: The Post Office was under threat of losing the Post Office. You could see the advertisement in any local paper for anyone to offer to build a Post Office on Depot Lane, so this fellow was willing to let it go. As a .last resort he bought this land. He is the only one who bought land up that street. MR. TERP: We go over to J. Wickham's. This is three sales within a stone's throw of each other. John Wickham has 2 and 1/3 acres, 500' frontage, 225' depth, assessed at $6 a front foot, north of Case's which is zoned Business. I have never had anything but a garden on that particular lot. MR. FOX: I still say you are not a farmer. This land has been used for farming. MR. TF.RP: Mr. Wickham sold a third of an acre to Baxter for $3,000. He has 2 and 1/3 acres left. $8 000 x 3 is $24,000, one quarter of that would be $6,000. These are the inequities that I see. I would like my assessment to come down or have theirs go up. Then, we have a very interesting thing here: Nos. 4 and 5, side by side neighbors, one has 80' frontage, 300' deep, and the other has 1.55' frontage, 300 ft. deep. One pays $12 and the other $15, for the same depth. There is a ' Beauty Parlor and residence, 80' frontage, 190' depth, $12 a running foot. Stype Realty, 110' frontage, 244' depth, $13 a front foot. Across the street, Case, 100' frontage, 425 ' depth- $17 a running foot. Arts & Crafts, 75 ' frontage, 280' depth, they are paying $45. MRS. LYTLE: The only thing we can do is pull the cards and see what it is all about. MR. FOX: The side streets are not comparable to the Main Street. The center of the business district is the most valuable. This is standard procedure. Grievance nay Town of Southold -77- July 17v 1973 MR. TERP: On your garage you are paying $20 a front foot. I. believe you have that with your building. I think your asking price for that is $60,000. Here is a very interesting thing: The North Fork Bank & Trust Co. building was rated at $10 a sq. ft. , and the new Post Office at $3 a sq. ft. The North Fork must have been built after the Civil War, and the new Post Office is 3 years old. MR. FOX: Two story vaults are included in the North Fork assessment. MR. TERP: I would say that the Post Office is a substantial building. They have a terrazzo floor. I can't understand why my empty lot is rated at $45 and the bank is rated at $40. MRS. LYTLE: We can pull the cards and consider them, and come to a decision. According to law, we can not make a decision at this time. We will hold another meeting and review the testimony. We will notify you in about two week's time. MRS. LYTLE: We have received 22 petitions in the mail. If you all agree, we will meet next Tuesday, July 24th, at 9:00 A.M to review the testimony. We will work through the evening in hope of clearing up 65 or more complaints. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Heuser, Bogan, De Maula, Mrs. Lytle. Mr. Heuser made a motion to adjourn, which was seconded by Mr. De Maula, and passed unanimously. The hearings were adjourned at 11:50 P.M. Respectfullys bmitted, >>, , rllC:'•i(:.ftp 4 . `_`/ 1���� Marjotie McDermott, Secretary g � * � i Grievance Day Town of Southold -1- July 17, 1973 The following applications for review of Real Property Assessment were received by mail: 44. Dr. Francis S. Perrone Mrs, Priscilla G. Perrone Haywaters Road - Box 89K - Cutchogue 11935 Northwest Lot #22 - Peconic Bay Property Applicant objects to assessment because: Property under water. Assessed valuation appearing on Assessment Roll: Land $200.00; Total $200.00. Additional facts: 251 parcel under water. 45. Koeppel, Sommer, Lesnick & Martone 220 Old Country Road Mineola, New York 11501 Name of owner: 235 Mill Street, Inc. Iten No. 9053; Parcel 739; N: South St. ; E: lst St. ; S: Adams St. ; W: Seligson. Assessed valuation appearing on the Assessment Roll : Land: $18,900 Total: $52,000.00 Applicant object to assessment because: Property is assessed at a higher percentage of full value (market value) than the assessment: of all other property on the same assessment roll. Applicant believe assessment should be reduced to $26,000.00. 46. United Artist Eastern Theatre, Inc. Koeppel, Sommer, Lesnick, (Greenport Playhouse, Inc. ) 18x2 & Martan Description of property: S: Main Road; N: Jos. De Shrage-L.I.Li.ght ; W: Chapel Lane; .Jos. De Shrage and ors; Parcel 271. Assessed valuation appearing on the Assessment Roll: Land: $9,000 Total: $13,100.00 Applicant believes assessment should be reduced to $7,000.00 s 0 ! Grievance Day -2- July 17, 1973 Town of Southold 47. United Artists Eastern Theatres, Inc (Greenport Playhouse, Inc. ( 18x2 Koeppel, Sommer, Lesnick & Marton Description: Parcel 346; N: Front St. ; E&S: Halpa Corp. ; E: G. D. Weinstein; S: G. D. Wienstein; W: Barth Realty. Assessed valuation: Land: $5,400 Total : $29,000. Applicant believes property is assessed at a higher percentage of full value (market value) than the assessment of all other property on the same assessment roll. Applicant believes assessment should be reduced to $14,800.00. 48. The Old Town Arts and Crafts Guild, Inc. Cutchogue, New York John H. Kaelin, Treas. School District ;#'8 Tax Item 5183 Assessed valuation: Land: $3,400.00 Total: $5,100.00 Overevaluation claimed: $39300 based on equalization rate of 21`;'x. Applicant believes assessment should be .reduced to $1,800.00 49. Mattituck Associates c/o Fertig & Cronin 1539 Franklin Avenue Mineola, N. Y. 11501 Type of property: Shopping Center Assessed val. appearing on Assessment Roll: Land: Total: Item , 8263 - $13,700.00 $429000.00 6447 - 27,300.00 142,600.00 Full market value of property: $440,000.00 Complainant believes assessment should be reduced to $92,000.00 Grievance Day Town of Southold -3- July 1.7 , 1973 (favid (Jr. Koch,Esq. of Counsel 50. Gulf Oil. Corp. P. 0. Address: Brisach, Sullivan & Sperendi. Attorneys for Petitioner 170 Old County Road Mineola, New York 11.501 Assessed Valuation: Land: $4,000 Total : $8,700 Overevaluation claimed: $4,700 based on 21% equalization rate. Applicant objects to assessment because: Unequally assessed in com- parison to all properties on assessment roll. Assessment against property exceeds its full market value as equalized. Applicant believes assessment should be reduced to $4 ,000 (18%) . 51 . Ladrhic Co. , Inc. Eastport , New York 11941. Assessed valuation appearing on assessment roll : Land :$4.800 Tot.al : S4 ,800 Overevaluation claimed: $3,000 - Percentage at which applicant believes his property should be assessed: 18%. Applicant believes assessment should be reduced to $1 ,800.00. 52. W. Harry Lister West Road Cutchogue, N. Y. 11935 Assessed valuation appearing on Assessment Roll : Land: $4,800 Total : $4,900 Full market value: $22 ,000 Complainant believes assessment should be reduced to $3,900 - latest equalization rate- 18%. 53. Rolf Johnson Horton' s Lane, Southold Land: $600 Total: $3,200 Raised to : 5,200 Amount of overevaluation claimed: $1 ,200 - Complainant believes assessment should be reduced to $4 ,000. Grievance Day Town of Southold -4- July 17 , 1973 54. Ethel E. Wortis South Harbor Road Southold, N. Y. 11.971 .Item 441.7 Item 2530 (formerly Grace Emerson Assessed val . appearing on Assessment Roll : Land: $ 9,400 Total: $20,000 23,400 27 ,900 Complainant believes assessment should be reduced to $627 ,900. Complainant believes he is entitled to partial exemption granted for Park Use of part of beach front. Amount of exemption claimed: $4 ,000. 55. Ruth Emerson Cooke Claire G. Emerson Box 73, Southold, N.Y. Assessed valuation appearing on Assessment Roll: Land: $12,200 Total: $14,900 Overevaluation claimed: $5,000 56. H. Horace Terry 125 N. Lakewood Circle Maitland, Florida '32751 Property: School Dist. ##2 , Main Road, Orient .574 acres. Land has been increased from $400 to $1 ,000. Letter of protest dated July ll, 1973 was received from H. Horace Terry regarding the above. He also stated that a similar notice was received, addressed to Harry H. Terry Est, in connec- tion with a larger parcel of land almost adjacent to his property. The assessment on this property was increased from $500 to $700 which may or may not be a reasonable increase but it indicates that the increase in assessment on my property is not in line. Grievance Day Town of Southold -5- J'u.l.y 17, 1973 57. Joseph Mrowicki. Representative: James P. Lerro Cox Neck Road (Neighbor) Jackson' s Landing ltd. Mattituck, New York 11952 Mattituck, N.Y. Land: $2 ,200 Total. $4 ,700 Letter received from Mr. Lerro: Please accept this letter as a reasonable plea for Mr. Joseph Mrowicki regarding an increase of 55 to 60% in the new assessment of his land and building for 1.973-74. Mr. and Mrs. Mrowicki (81 yrs and 78 yrs. ) are presently living car_ Social Security with no other income. Mr. Mrowicki is a very sick man only recency being discharged from Greenport Hospital. They reside in a vers meagre four room house with no cellar and accommodations are just what they were 25 to 30 years ago, without any house improvements whatsoever. It is understandable for land :increase of $600 -• but $1, 100 increase for Building seems quite (in all due respects7 unreasonable. 58. Ruth L. Satterly coo Mary W. MacNish Westphalia, Road Mattituck, New York Land: $6,800 Total : $18,800 Complainant believes assessment shoul.d be reduced to $10,800. 59. Stanley Grzesik. Maria Grzesik P. 0. Box 485 Greenport, N. Y. Land: $1,200 Total. $4 ,650 Claims overevaluation on land of $400. Believes assessment should be reduced to $4,250. 60. Mary H. Dalton 148 Castle Ridge ltd. Manhasset, N. Y. 1.1030 Sub. Ravacone 1:;cs 11 to 13 incl Land: X1,000 total : 4.,100 complainant believes assessment should be reduced to P3, 600 . .. .. ... . ___._... Grievance Dap Town of Southold -6- July 17, 1973 61. Harry & Claire Appelgate Box 734 Orient, New York 11957 Land: $900 Total : $3,000 Overevaluation claimed: Land $500 Total: $1,100 62. Charles Phillips W Wf Kraus Rd, Mattituck, N. Y. 11952 Land: $1,100 Total: $4,700 Complainant believes assessment should be reduced to $3:800 63. John M. & Catherine M. Mason Box 624 345 Holden Ave. Cutchogue, N. Y. Land $1,100 Total: $6,000 (Apf:llication does not indicate araount of reduction desired). 64. Burton G. Tremaine & Wf 24 Peaslee Hill West Hartford, Conn. Fishers Island, N. Y. Land: $9,000 $17,800 (Letter from applicant requests reduction of proposed assessment of the original main dwelling at Fishers Island). Grievance Day Town of Southold -7- July 17, 1973 65, Westbury Equipment Co., Inc. Agent : Wm E. deBruin, Jr. 615 Old Country Road 34 Willis Ave. Westbury, N. Y. 11590 Mineola, N.Y.11501 13.26 acres Item # Part of 7825 Land: $6,200 Total : $6,200 "Subject of experttestimony on trial of this matter". Applicant believes assessment should be reduced to 0,500 66. Westbury Equipment Co., Inc. William E. deBruin, Jr. 615 Old Country Road 34 Willis Avenue Westbury, New York 11590 Mineola, New York 11501 10.8 acres Item #7827 Land: x,3,900 Total : $3:900 "Subject of expert testimony on trial of this matter". Applicant believes assessment should be reduced to X2,200. Is' A A