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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1975 FROM: Assessor z TO: Board of Assessment Review RE: TRANSMITTAL OF GRIEVANCE FORMS (complaints) DATE: Juty14. 197 This is to certify that the tentative assessment roll for the Town of 9outbald was prepared by the Office of the Town Assessor on _ July 1. 1;9„ As of the public declaration of the tentative roll for the tax year 1975/7 , the office of the Town Assessor has not, in accordance with the State Laws, permitted or allowed any amendment to the assessment roll which increases, decreases or amends assessments . Also, as of the public date of the tentative roll , the Assessor' s Office has acted in a custodial way in accurately keeping all grievance or complaint forms which are transmitted in their entirety at this time to the Board of Assessment Review. Total number of grievance forms attached herewith - Z, Sole Assessor (Chairman Board of Assessors R.P.T.S.A. - 200 - 4/72 BAR-1 FROM: Board of Assessment Review TO: Town Assessor RE: ORD FOR CHANGE IN ASSESSMENT ROLL DATE: -t. `��. ;•. The Board of Assessment Review for the Town , has duly met to hear complaints or grievance's on the tentative town assessment roll for the tax year 19 Ias prescribed by law. The Board, having duly convened, has considered each and every complaint or grievance on the assessments for the tax year indicated, as filed with this Board, as prescribed by law. A majority of the Board had determined that all of the changes indicated on the attached pages) will be made on the assessment roll by the Town Assessor. (BAR-2 - Part II) Total number of complaints submitted by assessor Total number of complaints received on Grievance Day - Total number of complaints reviewed by the Board - Total number of recommended reductions in assessment - Total number of- recommended increases in assessment - Total number of grievances without a change - i" j NOW, THEREFORE, the Board of Assessment Review hereby orders the assessor or board of assessors to make all changes in assessments as determined batoard of Assessment Review on the asse ment roll of the Town .�-C CC for the tax year 19 � , in ! conformance wi h this order. i ' BAR-2 - Page 1 of 2 , FROM: Assessor . TO: Board of Assessment Review RE: AC OWLEDGMENT OF CHANGE TO ESSMENT ROLL ' - DATE: This will acknowledge order from the Board of Assessment Review to amend (Number of) �-" sessment items in the assessment roll in the Town of for the tax year This will acknowledge that the Office of the Assessor has completed all changes as ordered by the Board of Assessment Review. - Sole Town Assessor hairman of th Board of Assessors R.P.T. S .A. - 200 - 4/72 BAR-3 FROM: and of Ass ment Review /L j TO: �t G4-+-0 RE: REPOR BOARD OF ASSESSMENTjREVIEW - TAX YEAR 1);r-- DATE: 9DATE: S Attached herewith please find for public filing in your office, the complete file covering the public hearing (s) of the Board of Assessment Review, together with changes ordered by this Board to the assessment roll, Assessors ' acknowledgment, etc. The duties of the Board of Assessment Review for the grievance riod covering the 19/- / assessment roll are completed. Chairman Member Member- Me e 1 Member R.P.T. S.A. - 200 - 4/72 Attachment: Form BAR-1, Parts I and II, Form BAR-3 , Form BAR-4 CC: Town Supervisor - with attachments Director, Real Property Tax Service Agency - with attachments Office of Town Assessor - with attachments Form BAR-4 STATE OF NEW YO COUNTY OF ) ss : TOWN OF ) The undersigned, being duly sworn do severally depose and say that deponents are members of the Board of Assessment Review; that deponents have read the foregoing and know the contents thereof; and the matters set forth are true to the best of the deponents ' knowledge. Sworn to before me this t-4/qday of 19 N y Public JUDITH T. BOKEN Notary Public, Slate of New York No.52-0344953 Suffolk Count Commission Expires March 30, 19,7 Chairman Member ember F =- Memb r Member R.P.T.S.A. - 200 - 4/72 BAR-2 - Page 2 of 2 ASSESSMENT R L - YEAR 19 / l TOWN OF Complaint Last Name or Of Owner Property Assessment Assessment Grievance No. On Roll Desc . From To 00 1 / a /`3 T .0-/ 100, R.P.T.S.A. - 500 - 4/7 BAR-2 - Part II it M I N U T E S GRIEVANCE DAY TOWN OF SOUTHOLD July 15, 1975 PRESENT: MRS. HENRY B. LYTLE Peconic, New York THEODORE J. HEUSER Mattituck, New York l ANTHONY DE MAULA Mattituck, New York ROBERT W. BROWN East Marion, New York ASSESSORS PRESENT: EDWARD W. FOX EDWIN F. FICKEISSEN MELVILLE A. KELSEY, JR. 4 Grievance Day Town of Southold -2- July 15, 1975 I N D E X page # 1. Mattituck Associates (mail) • • • • • 58 # 2. United Artist Eastern--Theatres, Inc. (mail) 60 i # 3. Arthur W. Hahn, Jr. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3,9 { i # 4. Annette & Laurence Geoghegan • • • • • . • • • . • • 13 # 5• Westbury Equipment Co. , Inc. (mail) • • . • 58 # 6. Westbury Equipment Co. , Inc. (mail) • • • • • • • • • 59 # 7. Arthur H. Zaenker (mail) • . • • • • • • • • • • • • 60 i # 8. Mildred Bitses (mail) 60 # 9. John F. & Genevieve Stiles (mail) • • • • • • • • • . 59 #10. James J. & Despina Sideris (mail) • • • • • • • • 60 #11. Rose Sahm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20 #12. James E. Callahan • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 47 #13. Stanley -Pylko . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 #14. Arthur W. Hahn, Jr. • • • • • • • • • 9 #15. Kyrillos Charalambides • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 25 #16. Tom Levin • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 26 #17. Edward J. McGurn • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 28 #18. Dorothy K. Verderese • • • • • • • • • • • • 30 #19. Peter and Andria Pappas • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 33 #20. George & Barbara Lomaga • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 38 #21. Julian P. Zurawski • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 41 #22. Thomas Jurzenia • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 43 #23. Silvestro Morin . • • • . • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 50 #24. Corbett & Yvonne Jones • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 52 #25. 235 Mill Street, Inc. (mail) • • • • • • • • • • 59 #26. William Luhrs (mail) • • • • . • • • • • • • • • • • • 59 #27. Carol R. Smith • . • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 55 #28. Edward A. Reynolds (mail) • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 60 #29. Terry S. Triades (mail) • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 61 ----------- Grievance __Grievance Day Town of Southold -3- July 15, 1975 Mrs. Henry B. Lytle, Chairman, opened the Grievance Day proceedings at 9:00 a.m. , July 15, 1975. #3. Arthur W. Hahn, Jr. , 4565 Bayshore Road, Greenport, New York. Property located on Route 25, Southold. N - Mill Creek E - Mill Creek S '- Railroad - Adams W - Lang - Adams Land - $11,400 Mr. Brown administered the oath as follows: "Mr. Arthur Hahn, do you solemnly swear that the information you give herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability?" Mr. Hahn: I do. Mrs. . Lytle: Mr. Hahn, would you give us your story. Mr. Hahn: This property was originally owned by my grandfather and was left to my father around 1949 when my grandfather passed away. This land as I brought in a survey of it here is virtually, I said on there half wetlands which is really not right, it is more than half wetlands. I understand you can't build within 300 feet of wetlands so I sketched a line across here which virtually leaves no property at all after you figure the wetlands and I figure the tax should be lowered because you have absolutely no use of this wetlands. My father has had it on the market since last fall. He has had absolutely no offers on it. I was a real estate salesman working for George Wetmore, a local real estate broker, ten years ago. At that time, I had a $120,000 offer on this when we were asking $150,000. We now have it on the market for $_135,000 which I told the brokers is a flexible price. There are no offers and what I have gotten from them, they said they don't know if they can get any kind of an offer out of this. I talked to one local broker today and he said you have to come down considerably and I said, "What' s considerably" , and he he says probably around $80,000 and even then it is questionable that you can sell it. I talked to him since I filled that out. It was determined by the Chairlady that there are two parcels involved here and that Mr. Hahn will have to complete a form for each one. In addition, he failed to include the amount which he would like his assessment reduced to. Mr. Hahn left the room to complete the forms and will return. Grievance Day Town of Southold -4- July 15, 1975 #13. Stanley Pylko, Reeve Avenue, Mattituck, New York Property located on Reeve Avenue, Mattituck N - Presbyterian Ms S - Lindsay E - Marratooka Lake W - Reeve Avenue Land - $1,400 Land and Building - $6,800 Mr. Brown administered the oath as follows: "Mr. Pylko, do you solemnly swear that the information you give herein will be given accurately and truth- fully to the best of your ability?" Mr. Pylko: Yes. Mr. Pylko: This is an old homestead and to get reassessed for 135% on the land and 80% on the house or an aggregate of 95% on a house that was built fifty or sixty years ago with no improvements being made, I think it is an unreasonably high reassessment for what I've got. Mrs. Lytle: The increase was on the land, wasn't it? Mr." Pylko: No, ma' am, it' s on both. I don't know if • there' s a mistake here. I think originally the land was $600 and they reassessed it $800 more to make it $1400. The house was $3,000 and they jumped it on both. Mr. Heuser: The land is the same as last year. Mr. Pylko: It is an old house built fifty years ago. I don't know when that thing was built. When we bought it, it was reassessed. We had to put shingles on it, it was reassessed. I know there is inflation, rates are going up but I think this is really unreasonable in comparison to what other people have got. It far exceeds. Mr. Heuser': I would like to state here that the last time this property was reassed was 163. Mr. Pylko: I couldn't do anything with the roof because it is all constructed with shingle lath. It' s got a cedar course underneath. There ' s no plywood sheathing­.: on any of those things. You can't get anybody to touch it. . Mr. Heuser: According to your form here, your land is the same as it has been right along, $1,400. Grievance Day Town of Southold -5- July 15, 1975 Mr. Pylko: No, a year or two ago it was $600. I think there ' s a mistake on this form because here are the tax bills. Mr. Heuser: In 1974-75 the land value was $1,400, last year, and it is still the same so your complaint is not with the land. Mr. Pylko: The land was $600 on the previous tax bill. When they reassessed the house and the land at the same time, it was $600 and $3,000 or a total of $3,600 which I'll grant you is low. I expected an increase but 135 on land and 80% on property on the house or 95% overall, I think the rates are going up. I wish my salary would go up at that rate. I feel I 've been put against a double barrel shotgun and got it both ways. Mr. Heuser: Give us the names of some property adjacent to yours. Mr. Pylko: On the Main Road is Breese. The land value is $700 and house $3,600, total $4,300. That house is about the same, with a new roof. There isn't a building there with shingle lath. We have Al Harker' s down the way, $800 land and $3,600 house with a total of $4,400. Next door is Bob Lindsay. His house was built later than mine. He has the same property, $1,000 land and $4,400 on the house for a total of $5,400. Mr. Heuser: His land is assessed for $1,.000, the same size as yours? Mr. Pylko: Yes and the house at $5,400. He' s a thousand less on the house. Stan Staron, his house was burned, it was Simmerling' s old house two doors down, $900 on land, he hasn't got as much land, $3600 on the house and it has been done 100% over for a total of $4,500. Bird across the street which Dolores Russell had owned, land $600, house $3,100 for a total of $3,700. Now, you go down Sound Avenue a little ways to Al and George Walgo whose house is about the same vintage,. two story, land $600, $3,100 on the house for $3,700. George $800 on land, $3,100 for $3,900. Mrs. Lytle: How large did you say your property was? Mr. Pylko: I think it says a half acre there. Mrs. Lytle: There ' s a discrepancy then because the records show 1.6 acres. That makes a dollars and cents difference right there. ..x:.::.m.,..:...e;.63.sac:.,n.an ...,.�• 9..._.. ._'- ._.e wfo9N'aaluYi3ua,44'.aRc:.; ..- . - ^ _ .- .,..x.l< Grievance Day Town of Southold -6- July 15, 1975 Mr. Fickeissen: This card says one half acre but by the measurements you can see it' s over an acre. Mr. Pylko: Now we go across the street 300 feet on the Main Road Mrs. Pike which is a real lovely person, has a lovely home. Harold Reeve redid way after my house, I had put a coat of shingles, I can't get anybody to work on the roof because of the shingle lath, they were made from crating. Sargent was a plumber and put plumbing crating into the house. Those outbuildings, there isn't a foundation on them. There isn't a footing there. There are locust posts that are deteriorating. They're sagged all over. You can see through them. Mrs. Pike has two acres, the land is assessed at $2, 300 but that house has been done 100% inside and out, new roofs. The house is only $4,100. Mr. Heuser: Let' s get back to the land, first of all. We have now established that the land valuation is not excessive. Mr. Pylko: I know rates have gone up but to reassess on a house that is fifty or sixty years old with no improve- ments in it, I just can't see where it comes in. I'm willing to pay my share but I don't think I owe the Town anything more than paying them what I owe them. Mrs. Lytle: Mr. Fickeissen, what percentage are we working on this year? Mr. Fickeissen: It' s pretty hard to pinpoint any percentage. What we are actually doing is using 25% of the 1965 value. Only the state has established 13.5. Mr. Brown: What do you have down there for Mrs. Pike? Mr. Pylko: $2,300 on the land. I am just picking houses in the adjacent area, houses of basically the same construction and houses that I have been in. Mrs. Lytle: If you were to sell this house, what would you want for it? Mr. Pylko: I haven't the faintest idea. Here is an appraisal when my mother died eight years ago and Stan Sledjeski of Mil-Mat who I am sure is a reputable person, the total land and house which is eight years ago the total is $25,000, the house was $15,000. The 25%, the house well exceeds that quota. Mrs. Lytle: It was appraised at $25,000 eight years ago? z Grievance Day Town of Southold -7- July 15, 1975 ' r Mr. Pylko: Yes. Mrs. Lytle : Mr. Fickeissen has given us an approximate guideline. Mr. Fickeissen: I don' t want to knock down Mr. Pylko, but an appraisal for settling an estate is an entirely different thing. That' s altogether two different appraisals. Mrs. Lytle: In an estate appraisal they use the lowest figure possible because of taxes. You had an appraisal of $25,000 which as Mr. Fickeissen just brought out is on the lower side for tax purposes. We are taking an approximate 25% valuation. If I have my figures correct, the assessed valuation of the property at the moment of $6,800 and four times that comes to $27,200 which is more than the assessed value eight, appraised value, eight years ago and it must have increased a little bit since that time. Mr. Pylko: There isn't anybody that' s willing to sell their property for four times what it is assessed. I'll buy all the land that you've got in here now and I can get a loan on it without any problem. Mrs. Lytle: Your property technically is assessed at * 100% of today' s market value. For ease of working, handling records, figuring, we are taking an approxima- tion and using the 25% figure so the 25% figure brings it to $27,200. I am talking about today' s figures. Mr. DeMaula: Is your house insured, sir? Mr. Pylko : Yes, it is insured. The latest figure was a year ago and, as I say, Mil-Mat came in and examined the house. The current thing is insured with every- thing for $27,000, the house plus contents. Mr. DeMaula: It is 10% for contents. Mr. Heuser: It also doesn't cover any indestructible parts of the house. Mrs. Lytle : Mr. Fickeissen, can you help us in any way. I'm fully aware that it' s not your assessment. Mr. Fickeissen: Was it reassessed last year or the year before? This is two year' s old, right? You got this notice last year. Mr. Pylko: Right and this is the first Grievance Day we've had since. 77 - n Grievance Day Town of Southold -8- July 15, 1975 Mrs. Lytle: No, we had a Grievance Day every year. Mr. Fickeissen: I don't think Mr. Pylko has any gripe on his land. It is strictly on the building, is that right? Mr. Pylko: That' s right. I only want to make one comment in regard to the land. The Town and, of course, we are being run by the Town. These old deeds read to the center of the lake. The State Conservation says no. If you can' t do anything with it. Just because I mow the old weeds and throw a case of paint on the house, I cart let that go for three months and I've got a jungle. Mrs. Lytle : Gentlemen, are there any further questions? Mr. Heuser: Have you made any improvements on that house since the assessed valuation has changed? Mr. Pylko: None whatsoever. There hasn't been a tradesman in there in forty years. Mrs. Lytle: Have you any questions, Mr. DeMaula? Have you, Mr. Brown? (The answer was in the negative in both - instances. ) We cannot give you an answer today. The law does not permit us to. We meet again and make our decisions so you will be notified. Mr. Pylko: This is a comparison. The house value exceeds anyone of these which I am picking at random and close and the same vintage house. I 'll leave this slip with you. The house was constructed fifty or sixty years ago about the same time all of them. All I've got to say and we discussed the waterfront conservation depart- ment. Everytime you take a shovelful of sand, they come down there. I won't question the land. The garage and outbuildings, they were made from old plumbing crating. Mrs. Lytle: Leave that with us. Mr. Pylko: Are you going .to check this? Mrs. Lytle: Yes, we have another meeting and go over all this. It will go into your file. Mr. Pylko: The front porch has locust posts. Mr. Heuser: To put your mind at ease I would like to state that we will take adjacent pieces of property that you have there. We will compare the area of the house and everything to get the valuation. Mr. Pylko: I don't know if you will be able to ;read my writing but according to the house plan that they w. Grievance Day Town of Southold -9- July 15, 1975 have, because I checked yesterday, there is no full cellar, they have it as a full cellar. Under the front porch there' s a back entranceway. Mr. Fickeissen: When we say full cellar, it' s the main 'body of the house. Mr. Heuser: Take a look at this and Mr. Fickeissen will show Mrs. Lytle that you're not charged for a full cellar. Mr. Pylko: It says hardwood floors. There isn't a piece of oak in that thing including the door saddles. It' s a poured foundation. Mrs. Lytle: What kind of floors do you have? Mr. Pylko: I have soft pine that they used years ago. Mrs. Lytle: You still think you .would ask $27,000 for the house even with this condition? Mr. Pylko: Oh, I think I would, yes. They have me down as a block foundation. It' s a poured foundation. Years ago in order to save lumber and money, it' s an old poured foundation. Then they took those pines off and used them under floor joists. They've got even locust posts in the cellar. Mr. Heuser: That foundation isn't cinder blocks? Mr. Pylko: No, poured. To move it you need dynamite. Mrs. Lytle: Leave the list. Mr. Heuser: Your case will be compared to adjacent properties before any decision is made so if there is merit you will get it, if there is no merit you won't get it. #3. (Resuming Arthur W. Hahn interview) #14. Mrs. Lytle: One will be #3 and the second form he filled out will be #14. Your oath has been given before. Mr. Hahn: I will start over. This is my father' s property and I am representing him. He was left this property by his father on his father' s passing in 1949. I was a real estate salesman at George Wetmore' s real estate office in 1965. Mrs. Lytle: You have two parcels? Grievance Day Town of Southold -10- July 15, 1975 • Mr. Hahn: That' s right. They are just separated by a railroad track. Mrs. Lytle: Are you claiming increases on both parcels? Mr. Hahn: There have been no increases as far as I know. What I am complaining about is this is wetlands and I think we are paying too much taxes on it. Mrs. Lytle: There' s nothing to be heard, is there? You're not asking for any change. Mr. Heuser: He' s asking for a 506 reduction on both parcels. Mrs. Lytle: In other words, you want it reduced from what it was in 1962? Mr. Heuser: In 1962 your property was valued at $700. Mrs. Lytle: And it hasn't been increased since. Mr. Hahn: It is now wetlands. I have no use for it. Prior to the wetlands act as I was about to say, we were offered $120,000 for this property when we originally had it on for $150,000. My father refused. Mrs. Lytle: Are you talking about the smaller piece. Mr. Heuser: Is it the one on the water? Mr. Hahn: They are both on the water. More than half of it is marshland. Mrs. Lytle: The last increase was in 1964. They have not increased the taxes since that time. Mr. Hahn: We are cognizant of that but, as I was saying, he has had it on the market now since September of this past year at $135,000 listed price with the brokers and the brokers can't seem to get any kind of an offer and, as I said before, I spoke to a broker this past week and I said what price do you think we could move it at and he said drop it to $90,000 but I think you would be very lucky if you got $80,000. This is for the whole parcel, both parcels I am talking about together. I put it on as one parcel, not separated, because they need the Main Road to enter that piece. Mrs. Lytle: You must have it in two separate deeds. Mr. Hahn: Yes, it is two separate deeds. Grievance Day Town of Southold -11- July 15, 1975 Mrs. Lytle: Then it will be sold as two separate parcels. Mr. Hahn: It would be sold jointly together though. It naturally is two deeds being as they are separated by the railroad. Mrs. Lytle: It' s 23.82 acres. In other words, you feel it is not worth a little under $2,000 an acre? Mr. Hahn: What I am getting at here, I have spoken to the local brokers. None of them seem to be able to move this parcel. There are parcels around for sale and I don't know what they want but they don't have the wet- land situation that this piece has. There is about half a mile of wetlands. Mrs. Lytle: How long has it been on the market? Mr. Hahn: It' s been on the market since last September. Mrs. Lytle: Have you ever tried to sell a house? Mr. Hahn: I'm a real estate broker, I've sold many houses. Mrs. Lytle: It takes a long time to sell one small house sometimes. Mr. Hahn: If it' s at a marketable price it should move but with a situation like this I have no idea myself and the local brokers don' t seem to have any idea what a marketable price is on this and it is wetlands. I feel with this wetlands act that it has confiscated the property from you without any compensation. Mrs. ' Lytle: Mr. Fickeissen, if he wants this declared wetlands isn't there a regular routine that he goes through? Mr. Hahn: I think it is already .wetlands. The local brokers tell me it is wetlands. Mr. Fickeissen: I don't know about that. I think it' s a beautiful piece of property. Mr. Hahn: I think it' s a beautiful piece myself but I can't get rid of it. Mr. DeMaula: May I make a suggestion. If you want it to be made wetlands you go to the town and ask for a building permit. When that' s denied, you can come to the assessors and say, here, this cannot be built on. Grievance Day Town of Southold -12- July 15, 1975 We have been denied by the Conservation Department and our environmental ordinances. This land is not worthy of the price. Mrs. Lytle: There is a process you can go through to have it declared wetlands. Mr. Hahn: You can do that whether you build or not. We don't intend building on this. My father is trying to sell this. Mr. DeMaula: This was a hypothetical case. We have had this problem quite frequently in the past and this is the only recourse that we have to tell people even though the zoning maps designate this as wetlands we cannot reevaluate it unless it is shown formally that it has been rejected. Once this is done I am sure there will be. . . . . Mr. Hahn: In other words, you are telling me I have to try to develop this piece of property? Mr. Heuser: The implication was if you could get a permit to build on that property and they said no, then you've got your wetlands classification. You mentioned that the minimum that you have been offered on that was $90,000. Mr. Hahn: I haven't been offered anything. Mr. Heuser: This suggestion was made to you by some broker? Mr. Hahn: No, he said you would be lucky if you got $80,000. He said try to drop it to $90,000 and it might move but my estimation is that you would be lucky if you got $80,000. Mr. Heuser: It' s assessed at 100% value of $45,600. That' s 100% value, not tax value. That' s only 50% of what you are going to get. I was just trying to make a point that if they assume that you could get $80,000, you're assessed at 25% of, $45,000 which makes your assessment quite low compared to what you would realize on that property. Mr. Hahn: From the interest I've seen in this, maybe somebody wouldn't even offer $45.,000. How my father • feels is that he had a $120,000 offer on this ten years ago and now since the wetlands bit nobody is interested at all. Grievance Day Town of Southold -13- July 15, 1975 Mr. DeMaula: There are many people that have fallen into that pit. Some friends of mine own property on the water and were holding out figuring the value was ` going.-' to go up and the environmental impact study went through and this land now has lost value, but the only recourse, we cannot do anything with it until you have been rejected. Mr. Hahn: As far as you say applying for a building permit, we apply for a building permit here and it could be rejected and then you say that is, rejected, this is good. If this was going to have a house on it it would probably be on the highest land. Applying for a building permit at a certain point on this, I would say if I applied for a building permit right here, I know darn well I'd get turned down because that' s a swamp. Mr. DeMaula: I suggest you see Mr. Anthony Taormina, the head of the department, and ask for a survey of your property by their people. He' s in Stony Brook College, Department of Environmental Conservation. He will contact you with somebody who will either give you a survey of this particular piece of property and give the conservation department' s stand on it and then you can take it from there and see us next year. Mr. Hahn: The government has passed this thing where they actually stop you from the use of the land but they don't compensate you for it. Mrs. Lytle: We have listened to all your arguments. We are not giving you a decision now. Mr. DeMaula has given you some advice to get further information, but you will be formally notified of our decision. We sit later on. #4. Annette and Laurence Geoghegan, Shipyard Lane, East Marion, New York. Property on Private Road on the east side of Shipyard Lane. N - Joseph Cherepowicz S - Long Island .0yster Farms E - Joseph Cherepowicz W. - Robert Clarke • Land - $2,200 Land and Buildings - $6,500 • Mr. Brown administered the oath as follows: "Do you solemnly swear that the information you give herein will be given accurately and truthfull to the best of your ability?" Grievance Day Town of Southold -14- July 15, 1975 * Mr. and Mrs. Geoghegan: I do. Mrs. Geoghegan: I also wish to state in the vicinity ' of the homes on the private road which we reside at not one has been increased in assessed valuation. Also, all of Shipyard Lane which has about twenty houses I don't think one has been increased in assessed valuation. Mrs. Lytle: Would you care to give us the names of one or two of your neighbors and we will pull the cards. Mrs. Geoghegan: One is Gregory, one is John Bohlke, one is Reeves. Mr. Geoghegan: Ours is still under construction. Mrs. Geoghegan: As far as I know, in the neighborhood there' s not one of them paying ` over $500 and we are paying over $800 now and with the two assessments this year we will be up to $1,000. We don't even have a child going to school. I want to show you the flooding conditions. We couldn't get in and we had to pull out the front of our car which cost us $150. It is a dirt road, we get no services from the town, there is no lighting, no water, there ' s no nothing. We can't even get in and out of the roads to our own property and they are charging us $1,000. This is ridiculous. How would you like to go in and out of that road? Would you like to travel it and pay the taxes we are paying and have no children? Mrs. Lytle: Comparing it to one of your neighbors, you have a little more land. Mrs. .Geoghegan: Let' s deduct the $1,100 for the land and you still get an assessed valuation of $5400 which is more than anybody. Mr. Geoghegan: You say we have more land? Mrs. Lytle: Your piece of land is larger than one of the neighbors you are comparing to so therefore that would make a difference. Mr. Geoghegan: What one are you comparing it to? Mr. DeMaula: Any one of them, sir. Mr. Geoghegan: Wait a minute. There ' s an error there somewhere. We have them in separate and distinct lots. Our house is built on one lot. Mrs. Lytle: How many tax bills do you have? $ Grievance Day Town of Southold -15- July 15, 1975 Mr. Geoghegan: One. Mr. DeMaula: Itis listed here as 240 feet long by 120 feet wide. Mr. Geoghegan: That• is in error. Mrs. Geoghegan: We are getting a new survey on it and we are getting that changed. Mr. Geoghegan: Our lawyer at that time was from Green- port, Mr. McMann, and he kind of screwed things up, excuse me. Mrs. Lytle: The thing is if you get a new survey, you bring your survey. . . . . . . . Mrs. Geoghegan: But still if you deduct that one lot which is taxed at $1,100 from $6,500 which we are paying $5,400 for the house, garage and the one lot and that $5,400 is more than anybody else in the area. Mr. DeMaula: Are you contesting the land only or the land and buildings? w Mr. Geoghegan: The whole thing. Mr. Heuser: Would you mind asking Mr. Fox about the partial valuation of the property. Mrs. Lytle: The building is not finished, I would assume. Mrs. Geoghegan: We have no certificate of occupancy. You can't live in it and we are going to be paying $1,000 on it. That' s terrific. Mr. Fox: No, it isn't completed as indicated by those rates and it is a partial assessment. If it was com- pleted the rates would be much higher. Mr. Geoghegan: Well, I 'll tell you if you people can't see to reduce it and equalize it with our neighbors I'm going to see Mr. Terry and I am going to get a permit to demolish that and then you'll have an empty lot there. That' s the way I feel about that. My wife and I built that house with materials donated by the New York City Fire Department. There is a piece of every building that was in the World' s Fair in that building and as I built it I will tear it down. Grievance Day Town of Southold -16- July 15, 1975 Mrs. Lytle: I have a piece of news for you. We have a cottage that has World' s Fair wood in it. It' s not the material or where it came from, .it' s the quality of the building. Mr. Geoghegan: I must have gold bricks compared to Mr. Bohlke. He has two houses and he rents one of them out and part of his own house. Yet he pays less taxes than I do. Mrs. Geoghegan: He' s in the summer rental business and we pay more. Mr. Bohlke rents that back building now and gets tenants all summer long. That is a completely furnished building. We had no idea the road was going to be in that condition. We thought it was going to be cindered or tarred. That' s what we thought when we bought the property. Mrs. Lytle: May I ask who owns the road? Mrs. Geoghegan: Mr. Cherepowich. Mrs. Lytle: Let the buyer beware. Mrs. Geoghegan: That' s for sure but the town doesn't have to stick us too. I think we have a justifiable complaint. Mrs. Lytle: Mr. Fox, do you have any comment to make to us now? Mr. Fox: Other than to confirm that it is partial. It is over 1300 square feet. They have quite alot of square footage. They have quite a large gable there. They have quite a bit of attic room. There is much more attic space which can be developed into living space. Mrs. Geoghegan: But we don't use it. It hasn't been finished. It' s not useable now. Why not tax us when we use it? Mr. Geoghegan: There will be an empty lot there next year. Mr. Heuser: Madame Chairlady, I would like to ask you again to ask Mr. Fox to explain this valuation of property and space there as to used or not used. The parties contend that the upper section is not used. Mrs. Lytle: I am under the impression that about a year or so ago you decided or decided as part of assessing, that when a building was in process of being constructed after a certain period of time it was put on the* tax Grievance Day Town of Southold -17- July 15, 1975 rolls and taxed accordingly. Before you used to let it run for a long period of time. Mr.Fox: This building permit was originally issued in 1967, that' s eight years ago, and we were going there regularly ever since. If they go over ten years we figure that' s it, they don't intend to do any more, at least, they hadn't so we cross off the partial and catch them in a review because going every year for more than ten years is sort of pointless. As far as referring to this high gable you will all agree it takes more lumber, material and labor to build that than a low roof type. Mr. Geoghegan: The reason that took ten years to build I had to go back to work out of retirement to pay the taxes. My pension amounts to $4,000 a year as a retired fireman. Mrs. Geoghegan: (referring to Mr. Fox) We invite him into the house anytime he wants to come around and notifies us before time so we can be there to accept him and we would be glad to show him the house that nobody can live in. Mrs. Lytle: I believe your husband said something about tearing it down. Instead of tearing it down, would you consider selling it? Mr. Geoghegan: No. Mrs. Geoghegan: We put our blood and our sweat in it. Mrs. Lytle: What I mean is rather than destroying it. Mr. Heuser: You wouldn't take $30,000? Mr. Geoghegan: I wouldn't take $100,000. I would tear it down. Mrs. Geoghegan: And we would leave this place feeling as though we weren't treated justly as an American. Why should we be forced to sell a home. . . . . . . . Mrs. Lytle: We're not saying you're forced to. I am just asking the question. Mr. Heuser: It' s a normal question that we ask. Mrs. Lytle: If you were to sell it what you would consider. Mr. Geoghegan: I have no idea of the value of it or anything else. ti Grievance Day Town of Southold -18- July 15, 1975 Mr. DeMaula: Is your house insured, sir? Mr. Geoghegan: No, no mortgage, no insurance. At the time the building cost me around eight or nine thousand dollars. Mr. Heuser: In the assessors' viewpoint, what are the improvements that justify that increase? Mr. Geoghegan: There has been nothing done there. I can assure you of that. Mr. Fox: In a partial there is a great latitude of opinion and what we do is try to keep a partial on the low side. But then as time goes on and they are making use of the building in its partial condition we bring it up a little bit more to its true partial value. Mrs. Lytle: Any other questions, gentlemen? You figure eight or nine thousand dollars is just material? Mr. Geoghegan: The essentials that are there. Mrs. Lytle: Not labor, just material. Mr. Geoghegan: That' s right. Most of it was donated through the fire department when they demolished the Fair. Mr. DeMaula: Are you a veteran? Mr. Geoghegan: No. Mr. DeMaula: There is no heat in the house? Mr. Geoghegan: Yes, gas baseboard. I was a plumber. Mr. DeMaula: It shows an extension on your house. Where is that shown? Mr. Geoghegan: That' s right off the back. Mrs. Geoghegan: That house is about the same size as ours, with an extension. Mr. DeMaula: What' s the name of these people? Mrs. Geoghegan: Gregory. Mr. DeMaula: Are they located in the same area? Mrs. Geoghegan: Right down the street from us. Grievance Day Town of Southold -19- July 15, 1975 Mr. Geoghegan: They have an attic they use for. sleeping quarters. (The Board held a discussion with Mr. Fox regarding how square footage is arrived at for a one-story house and a story and a half house. ) Mr. Heuser: The complaint seems to be complainant' s footage is not nearly equal to the other gentleman. Mr. DeMaula: What I am trying to get at is what is the total square footage of this house and what is the total square footage of this house? He was charged a higher rate per square footage on the one and a half than you were. You were 2.75 and he was $3. Mr. Fox: He was charged this high rate because of the extremely high gable and the additional value. You don't add eggs and apples and get results. You have to learn that this is 630 square feet 1-&a half story and it is done on rate recognizing the fact that it is one and a half stories. This is 384 square feet and definitely one story. The reason I bring this out. This man has a little bit more square feet of living space and he has a half a story more. We compensate for that in the rate. Mr. DeMaula: By charging a quarter more for the one and a half story. Now, what is the total square footage in that man' s house? Mr. Fox: If you want to be exact and go to square footage it would be what is also in the half story but we don't know what' s there so we compensate by the rate. Mr. DeMaula: So he has 1,014 square feet and they have. . . . . . Mr. Fox: But, he' s got more than that because of the extra half a story there. Mrs. Lytle: Any questions, gentlemen? Mr. Geoghegan: I don't know what I can add, only I'm interested in knowing why I am the only one assessed in that area. If his house is still in the process of being completed, he' s getting a partial, why wasn't he assessed? I've done no work on mine in three years and he is working on his every day. Mr. Heuser: How about"this extension? When was that put on? Grievance Day Town of Southold -20- July 15, 1975 Mr. Geoghegan: At the time the foundation was put down, about eight years ago. The foundation was dug by Mr. Latham. I brought the man in and put a foundation under the entire thing. The last part here was a fireplace. Mr. Heuser: There was also this entire room. When was it completed? Mr. G@oghegan: It' s not completed. Mr. Heuser: When was it added? Mr. Geoghegan: About six or eight years ago . Mrs. Lytle: Do you spend any time here during the summer? Mrs. Geoghegan: We do. Mr. Heuser: This is added on and this is one of the reasons the partial rate was increased is my thinking. Mr. Geoghegan: No, that was all done at the same time. Mr. DeMaula: They built the square part of the house first and then they added on the rest. Mr. Geoghegan: It doesn' t show in the picture because it' s the angle your men took that at. Mrs . Lytle: We will meet at a later date and make our decision and you will be notified. We make no decisions today. #11. Rose Sahm, 14 Radnor Road, Great Neck, New York. Property located on Hill Road, Southold. N - Hill Road S - Jockey Creek E - Schwarz W - Cassar Land - $2,800 Land and Buildings $9,900 Mr. Brown administered the oath as follows: "Do you solemnly swear that the information you give herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability?" Mrs. Lytle: This property is in your wife' s name? Mr. Salim: Yes. Grievance Day Town of Southold -21- July 15, 1975 Mrs. Lytle: You did not get an increase? Mr. Sahm: No, I did not, to the best of my knowledge. Mrs. Lytle: You would like to verbally discuss it. You're not giving any reason. Mr. Sahm: We might. I'll tell you why I said verbally. I didn't know just how to fill this out. I just want to make it clear to the board that I didn' t want to get in a neighbor to neighbor, things like that. I live with some wonderful people and though I feel that ours is out of line, nevertheless, our purpose was not in any way to hurt others. Our house was built in, I think completed late 1968. It was close to the end of the year as I remember. It was built by Mr. Ahlers and the price that he gave us at the time was $24,989.29. There were changes. For example, we were convinced by Long Island Lighting that was one of the great ways to heat a home. That required some insulation,on the basement walls we used some styrofoam. We had actually neglected to think about storm windows. That is a requirement of Long Island Lighting because they can't give you a firm cost. We should have had them anyway but we didn't plan on it. Then there was a question that we had neglected to put in a walk from around by the driveway to the side of the house. That was an oversight. In our kitchen and dining area we decided to have this carpet and that was an extra. We had the ordinary appliances that one does have in a house but we thought we should have a washer and dryer. We have our porches recessed in more or less. We decided that they do crack completely or possibly crack, to put in flagstone so that actually when we got all through we paid Mr. Ahlers somewhere around $28,700. That included the landscaping and that included a driveway and a few extra trees outside of those around the perimeter of the house. The house has never been altered since that time. There has been no construction whatsoever. At the present time the home itself is assessed for $7,100. I do not dispute values of land, I think they are very fair to all parties concerned. What amazed me a little bit and, again, I'm not mentioning names, but the same Mr. Ahlers built three houses in that area all quite close to me. The estimate on this particular house submitted to the Building Department was $30,000. That house today is assessed for $6,000. That house was built in early 169. Mrs. Lytle : We have to know the name so we can pull the card. What goes on here is confidential. Mr. Heuser: No comparisons can be made unless we know what we are looking at. Grievance Day Town of Southold -22- July 15, 1975 ' Mr. Sahm: Mr. Sacco. The builder put in an estimate of thirty. It is assessed today for $6,000. ` Mrs. Lytle: Just the house. Mr. DeMaula: Yes, just the house. He is not disputing the land at all. Mr. Sahm: I think they did a perfect job on the land. That house is assessed for $6,000. We have another home that was built in 1969 by the same builder, Hon. L. Barron Hill. Now, in 1969 there was another home built by the same builder. The builder' s estimate for that house given to the Building Department was $52,000. That house is assessed for $9,800. These are all by the same builder with the same standards and whatnot. In 1973, this is true it is four years later there' s a home built right next to ours, Cassar, that would be west of us. The builder' s estimate on that house was $47, 500 which is what was submitted to the Building Department and I submit you have that on the card. That house today is assessed for $6,900, $200 less than mine. I repeat,' -my purpose is not to raise anyone else' s assessment but Mrs. Sahm and I both believe we should pay our fair share of taxes. Mrs. Lytle: Have you had any extensions added to your house? Mr. Sahm: Nothing. I offered to the Board of Assessors that they could see my house at any time. I have no alterations. Mrs. Lytle: That says extensions in two places there. Would you explain to us what you mean by extensions? Mr. Fickeissen: That means nothing. This is an extension on this card here. This area is nine by fourteen. This is six by fourteen in this area here which is house. This is open or it was open. We have not looked at this house since 1970 and Mr. Sacco has improved it since that time with no building permit. He did work we did not know about. He' s closed in this but we did not know about it. Mrs. Lytle: What Mr. Fickeissen has just said has nothing to do with our tax decisions. That has to do with the assessors keeping up with assessing. They will most likely catch up with the gentleman the next year. Mr. Sahm: I was down here in June at twenty minutes to twelve. I can'tgive you the exact day. I e t to have lunch. I returned a little bit after one anc� �1r. Grievance Day Town of Southold -23- July 15, 1975 • Fickeissen and other members of this board who say they were not down there to look came in Mr. Cassar' s driveway, looked at his extension and stood and surveyed the houses in June of 1975 and I waved to them. Mr. Fickeissen: We were down to look at Mr. Cassar' s extension. We did not have Mr. Sacco' s card with us. Mr. Sahm: But you were down there? Mr. Fickeissen: Yes. Mrs. Lytle: If you were at Mr. Cassar' s as you said, you had Mr. Cassar' s records with you. You did not have Sacco' s records. Mr. Fickeissen: I would like to set one thing straight. Mr. Sacco is no more a friend of mine than these people are. I never met Mr. Sacco until we were down doing the house north or west of him this year. I never met the man before. Mrs. Lytle: The point of issue is that although you were there, you were there with records on a particular • house so that would be all that you would be aware of at the moment. Mr. Fickeissen: We were doing building permits.- Mrs. ermits.Mrs. Lytle: But now you are aware of Mr. Sacco and that will be eventually taken care of. Mr. Sahm: This hurts me. I was here last Friday. I had started May 15th to inquire about my assessment. I thought it was high. I came here as late as July 7th and at that time the Board of Assessors had not determined whether or not my home was going to be reduced or remain the same. Mrs. Lytle: You were here July 7th and they had not determined it? Mr. Sahm: July 7th Mrs. Sahm and I at 10:45 on a Monday morning. . . . . Mrs. Lytle: Are you talking about this year? Mr. Sahm: Yes, this year, July 7th we were here. Now • we were here on Friday which was July 14th (sic) , last Friday. Mrs. Sahm stayed here all week. Friday morning July 14th I stopped down here to the Board of Assessors at 9:30. At that time I was advised the Board of Assessors were still reviewing it or had not come to a Grievance Day Town of Southold -24- July 15, 1975 conclusion, but we will call you by four o'clock. I said rather than call me I will stop down. I stopped down here at between 3 and 3:45 and at that time I was advised that the board felt that the assessment was in order or that they weren't going to reduce it. I cannot tell you the exact language but the last that I knew up to that point. I was aware. . . . . Mrs. Lytle: May I ask you again? This was on July 14th? Mr. Sahm: The last time was July 14th at 3:45, I would say. Mrs. Lytle: Mr. Fickeissen, may I ask you a question? The gentleman said that he discussed this matter with the assessors as to whether there would be a change on July 14th. Mr. Fickeissen: We hadn't acted on it. Mrs. Lytle: May I ask why? Mr. Fickeissen: Because we hadn't gotten to it. Our work is piled way up. Mrs. Lytle: Correct me if I am wrong but after July lst you cannot make any changes. Mr. Fickeissen: We can make changes if we wish. We have work piled up from June yet. Mrs. Lytle: I understand legally having gone up for all these instructions that the assessors do not make any change after July lst. Mr. Fickeissen: That' s true but we can recommend to you to make a change and I would think that you most likely would make a change. Mrs. Lytle: But there was no object in- anybody coming back to you after July lst. They come to this Board and we tell them. Mr. Fickeissen: There would be a line back to the schoolhouse if alot of people hadn't been in here to see the assessors. Mrs. Lytle: He would have only been able to recommend. t He would not have been able to make a change. Mr. Sahm: . I was only told that information when I mentioned it on Friday afternoon. I said I read in the Traveler that the assessment roll was given to the Town 777777 Y, Grievance Day Town of Southold -25- July 15, 1975 • Clerk on June 23rd plus there was an article saying that the Board of Assessors could not change this once they had given it to the Town Clerk. Remember this, I made two trips on this. I left my work. I didn't go to work on July 7th, I stayed here. I left home on July 10th so I would be here Friday. There was no need for me to be here. There was nothing they could do. May I make this clear. I am still not out to hurt anyone. Would you object if I told this gentleman, you made me almost bring this out. I don't want to hurt anybody. Mr. DeMaula: Is Mr. Pierce close to you? Is his house similar to you? Mr. Sahm: I don't know this area really. Mr. DeMaula: By the picture and the diagram of the house it looks extremely similar. Mr. Sahm: It does. Mrs. Lytle: Any questions, gentlemen? Have you any- thing further? (answer negative) We will meet at a further date and we will make our decision. No decisions are made today. We will give it careful consideration. ##15. Kyrillos Charalambides, Mattituck i SW corner of Lot ##79B, Captain Kidd Estates Land - $600 Land and Buildings - $5, 300 Mr. Brown administered the oath as follows: "Do you solemnly swear that the information you give herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability?" Mr. Charalambides: Yes. There was an opening from outside and we closed in the house. We extended the bathroom so we could put in a tub because before it was just a shower. Mrs. Lytle: If you were to sell the house tomorrow what would you want for it? Mr. Charalambides: I wouldn't sell the house. I bought my cemetery here. I want to stay here how long I have to live. r _ �.�a. -"v _ _ e•il®e.m.w.�..E.�"�c.+""....�r�c`c:a.-ta.ssuwe,.,._..s.. Y, '� ds�s�"y m 41.,...®.imr'sm,.m. - __- i..tm.4_ 4. "__ Grievance Day Town of Southold -26- July 15, 1975 Mrs. Lytle: You have no idea what you would want for the house at all? Mr. Charalambides: I had a heart attack and I came out here and I don't want to go any place. What they would offer me, I don't know. I will stay there. There was no insulation in the house and they told me to put in insulation. Mrs. Lytle: Is the house insured? Mr. Charalambides: $30,000. Mrs. Lytle: Your house is insured for $30,000, the whole thing? Mr. Charalambides: The whole thing. Mr. DeMaula: About ten percent they figure for contents so that would make it $27,000 the insurance company agrees your house is worth. Mrs. Lytle: And four times the assessed value would be about $21,200. Is there any house near you that would be comparable to yours? Mr. Charalambides: Mr. James Mouris is next door to me. You.-have Mr. Abatelli. Mr. DeMaula: These houses are about the same size as yours, sir, so you would feel that they would be of comparable value with yours? We'll check the comparison with the assessors' cards and see if theirs is in line with yours. Mrs. Lytle: Have you made any improvements or changes in the house recently. Mr. Charalambides: The only thing I put on was aluminum siding. Mrs. Lytle: We thank you for coming in. We have the other house and will give it very careful consideration and we will notify you by mail. We cannot make decisions today,. Thank you for coming. #16. Tom Levin, Mattituck Lot #2, Captain Kidd Estates Land - $3,200 Land and Buildings - $6,300 Grievance Day Town of Southold -27- July 15, 1975 • Mr. Brown administered the oath as follows: "Do you solemnly swear that the information you give herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability?" Mr. Levin: I do so affirm. Mrs. Lytle: The first thing I notice here is you say note loss of 100 feet of beach since last assessment. To the best of my knowledge, the loss of land under water like that does not change your assessment. I have personal experience. My husband and I have about an acre and a half of land under the water, but you still have waterfront property. Mr. Levin: The devaluation of property for any reason is reflected in assessing, not specifically for loss or not loss, for any reason, and that is my reason for devaluation. Mrs. Lytle: I notice on your form that you recently had the property appraised, 1974, by the North Fork Bank - and Trust Company for $25,000. Mr. Levin: That is what I was told. Mrs. Lytle: And your assessment now is $6,300? Mr. Levin: That is correct. Mr. DeMaula: Is Carlton on one side of you and Decker on the other? Mr. Levin: That is correct. It does not have water and if you do have to get up in the middle of the night. . . . Mrs. Lytle: I think this can be described as a one-story bunkhouse. Mr. Levin: It is a flagstone floor in one small area of the kitchen. It is exactly twelve feet by four feet. Everything else is plywood floors. It is subfloors, there is no actual flooring. Mrs. Lytle: Does anyone else have any questions? Mr. Brown: No, because we have the comparisons. Mr. Levin: I have no kitchen, no kitchen appliances. It is sitting up on two-by-fours, as you can see. Mr. Heuser: The assessments were all made on a .Comparable Grievance Day Town of Southold -28- July 15, 1975 basis at the same time which is very fair in that area. Mrs. Lytle: This was changed because of a pool. V Mr. Levin: I did a comparison of three properties with no intent to be prejudiced to anyone and I arrived at my particular conclusion which is that the Carlton property is worth about sixty, the Becker property is someplace between 50 and 55 and my is worth presumably about 40. If we arrive at them being assessed at about 15% and me at 25%. I think you can check my property. There is no interior wall. It' s a 3/8 inch plywood skin on stilts which are not 18 inch on center but 24 to 48 inch. It' s a slab roof. It was built to be a shack so I wouldn't have to pay alot of taxes because I can't afford to pay taxes. Mrs. Lytle: Did men actually come from the North Fork Bank and look the house over and cite that amount? Mr. Levin: I have no idea. I would be swearing to something I don't know. They said they looked at but how they looked at it, I don't know. Mrs. Lytle: They looked at the outside. Did they go inside? Mr. Levin: They never asked me for the key. I think the board generally should consider that the pieces of land, every one, we are the recipients of a natural disaster of which there is some negligence on the part of the County. I have no longer a beach. We used to have a beach there and there is no beach. Mrs. Lytle: Since there are no further questions, we will notify you at a later date of our decision and thank you for coming. #17. Edward J. McGurn, 451 Grove Drive, Southold. Lots 6 - 8 incl. Reydon Shores Section H Land $500 Land and Buildings $3,600 partial Mr. Brown administered the oath as follows: "Do you solemnly swear that the information you give herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability?" Mrs. McGurn: Yes. Grievance Day Town of Southold -29- July 15, 1975 Mrs. Lytle: What are the comparable houses? Mrs. McGurn: My neighbors house, number 5. s_.. 6 Mr. Heuser: The increase that you are questioning is on the home? Mrs. McGurn: I have had three increases, I think, in the last four or five years, the total was $800. Mrs. Lytle: Haven't you been gradually been adding on to the house. Mrs. McGurn: We just had a dormer and an extension put on. We ripped down one extension and replaced it with a larger one. We had the basement moved over to the other side, changed the basement entrance, and put the dormer on. As far as the square footage upstairs where the dormer was put on, it was useable footage except you hit your head so we had the dormer put on. We use it for sleeping. It is basically a one-bedroom summer home only. We shingled outside because the rain was coming in. Mrs. Lytle: Do you have the building insured? Mrs. McGurn: Yes, my husband thought $18,000 for replacement value. Is that Mr. Harman' s? The size of their property is three times larger almost. Mr. Harman' s house across the street is for sale. It is assessed at $2600 and he wants between 40 and 45 and he said he would take 40 or 42. I'm basing it all on that really. They have almost 9/10 of an acre. That 36 was listed as a partial that I don't understand. I know that we haven't done much to the inside but we may never do it. We may keep the rafters there for years and years. I don't understand why it is listed as a partial. My husband insulated between the rafters. Mrs. Lytle: You are still working on the house, it is not actually complete? Mrs. McGurn: I will get a C of 0 as soon as the electrical is complete. They tell me I have to have that inspected but he said summer residence only. We can leave it just the way it is. We do not have to complete it. Mr. -DeMaula: That' s why it' s a partial assessment. Mrs. McGurn: Yes, but what I don't understand is I had a partial all the way along and the bulk of the work and all the construction and everything was complete, by then. Grievance Day Town of Southold -30- July 15, 1975 Mrs. Lytle: Have they been around to check up on it? You were assessed in 1962 and then it was 1972, ten years. Mrs. McGurn: I think it was overvalued even in 1972, it was overassessed. all the way along the line. Maybe somebody else didn't complain. There wasn't a thing I could see that was done to improve it. It was a mess. Mrs. Lytle: Do you have a two-car garage? f Mrs.- McGurn: We have a one-car garage. My husband closed in an office. Would you pull one more card for me? I would like very much for you to pull Mr. Byrnes' card. He lives around the corner from me. There has been no updating on his picture. One of the names on the sheet is Mr. Sanders who has $100 more than me, complete not partial and he is waterfront right on the Bay. Mr. Heuser: What kind of heat do you have? Mrs. McGurn: A small space heater. It' s really for a day like today. It is no way or' form heat. We never come out in the winter. We're lucky to get Thanksgiving. We couldn't even rent it at this stage. io Mrs. Lytle: What do you think you could sell it for? Mrs. McGurn: $18,000 or $19,000 because we paid $13,000 for it. We put in about $4,000 to have the dormer. My husband did some of the work himself. Mrs. Lytle: Do you want to compare that later with these? We will sit at a later date to make our decision and we will notify you in writing. Thank you for coming in. J #18. Dorothy K. Verderese, Cutchogue, New York Property located on the Main Road, Cutchogue N - Horton E - Grathwohl W - Slater, Verderese and McAfee S - Main Road Land - $2,600 Land and Buildings - $9,800 Mr. Brown administered the oath as follows: "Do you solemnly swear that the information you give herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability?" Grievance Day Town of Southold -31- July 15, 1975 Mrs. Verderese: I do. Mrs. Lytle: The total reduced, you have $5. a front foot. My thought is we will have to get a legal opinion on this. Mrs. Verderese: I don't think mine is worth more a front foot than anyone else' s. A long time ago in conversation and it' s been on our minds a ear or so and then Mr. Fox told me recently that we pay 45 more per front foot because my husband has his office there. Mrs. Lytle: Are you aware of what every other physician pays? Have you compared? Mrs. Verderese: No, I haven't checked. Mr. Heuser: We know of other doctors on the Main Road. It is very easy to check. Mrs. Verderese: In a residential area. Mrs. Lytle: Yes. Mrs. Verderese: I don't think that' s the point. Mrs. Lytle: The point is what the law says. I won't commit myself. I have an opinion. I think it' s a legal question. There' s nothing on the card to show the $5 added. Mr. DeMdula: I am picking up the property to the east. It is the same depth. Mrs. Verderese: It' s Richard Grathwohl. Mrs. Lytle asked Mr. Fickeissen to read Mrs. Verderese' s statement on the form for the reason why she is asking for a reduction. Mr. Fickeissen: That' s because there' s an office. We assess halfway between residential and business property. It' s a combination. If they are living in the house. Mrs. Verderese: I don' t think it makes the land more valuable because of an office there. Mr. Fickeissen: It is business property. In other words for living there we are giving you a reduced rate for the residential part of it. Mrs. Verderese: But it' s not zoned business, it is residential. .n .i - Grievance Day Town of Southold -32- July 15, 1975 Mr. Fickeissen: That' s Verderese on the Main Street in Cutchogue? Mrs. Verderese: Yes. Mrs. Lytle: No matter how it' s zoned I would think it would be like your federal tax bit. Mr. Fickeissen: Whether it is zoned or not, it is nonconforming. Mrs. Lytle: Mr. Fox, please give us your opinion. Mr. Fox: It is her belief. She is entitled to a belief and an opinion. The tax assessors' office does recognize and I have looked up quite a few of them since Mrs. Verderese was here the fact that this business in the same building which is allowed under the zoning laws to dentists and physicians does enhance the value of the property. Mrs. Verderese: I disagree with that. Mr. Fox: You are entitled to your belief. Mrs. Lytle: When we have our meeting for our decision we can look at it. Mr. Fox: We recognize the difficulty of zoning. We recognize it is a combination. This is what we mark down in our books. If the property happens to be in a zoning that is zoned for business that is another thing. We don't put them up what the business zoning is. We still recognize the combination. Under appraisal procedures and assessing procedures, we assess the property to its best possible value. Mrs. Lytle: But the point is you would be permitted to so they are really getting a break. Mr. Fox: Yes. Mrs. Verderese: ' I think they made the zoning laws for the convenience of the community. If we were ever to sell our property we wouldn't get any more for it. Nine chances out of ten we probably wouldn't sell it to a doctor. Where would we get the doctor? Mrs. Lytle: That we can't get involved with but your y property is set up with an office and all that, that' s why nine chances out of ten a doctor sells to a doctor. That has nothing to do with what you might do in the future. It is what is today and that is what it is based on. Grievance Day Town of Southold -33- July 15, 1975 Mr. Heuser: We will also weigh a few other doctors and get a legal opinion on it. Mrs. Verderese: Since it is residential property and the permission was given, you would have to go back to who wrote the zoning laws and if they thought this property should be taxed higher. Mrs. Lytle: We have zoning laws and we also have tax laws. We will give it consideration and we will notify you by mail. Mr. Heuser: We meet next week and sit -here a day or two reviewing every one of these cases. We spend alot of time on it. Mrs. Verderese: I still think if these other dentists and doctors are charged the $5, it should be removed, if it' s not right to charge them. Mr. DeMaula: If they are not being charged, either they will be or yours will be stopped. Mrs. Verderese: But we are charged more for the size of the house. #19. Peter and Andria Pappas, Mattituck Lot #99, Captain Kidd Estates Land - $700 Land and Buildings - $6,200 Mr. Brown administered the oath as follows: "Do you, Andria Pappas, solemnly swear that the informa- tion you give herein will be given accurately and truth- .`-fully to the best of your ability?" Mrs. Pappas: I do. Mrs. Lytle: The property is insured for $30,000? You paid $33,000 for it when? Mrs. Pappas. Yes. In 1970. It was brand new when we t bought it. You figure you don't insure the lot. Mrs. Lytle: What do you base it on? Do you have any particular reason why? Mrs. Pappas: It is a brand new house, about four or five years old. I didn't do any additions whatsoever on the house. I just put a patio which I find out. I'm -- --; - - Grievance Day Town of Southold -34- July 15, 1975 also billed for the patio. It' s an open patio, I just put stones down. ; Mrs. Lytle: That makes the house more valuable. Without it you wouldn't pay as much for it if you were to buy it. Mrs. Pappas: I built it myself. Instead of cement I like stones. While all of a sudden do I get such a big increase. I did not do any additions or anything. My neighbor did the same thing and he didn't get anything but a few hundred dollars. Mrs. Lytle: How is her house? Mrs. Pappas: About the same as mine and some people that I know didn't get such a big increase. Mrs. Lytle: Is there another house that you would want to compare the taxes to in the area. Mrs. Pappas: Next door to me, yes. It is lot #100. I fix my yard, I put grass, I put flowers. The name is spelled Markides, Achilles. Mrs. Pappas: The way I figure everybody gets an increase, fine, I am not against it, but a fair increase for every- body. If my house was an old house and you would reassess it I wouldn't complain but it is not an old house. I was assessed before on that house and I did not add anything. Mr. Heuser: You were increased in 1971. Mrs. Pappas: Right. Mr. Heuser: When did you move in? Mrs. Pappas: In August of 1970. Mrs. Lytle: Did you do anything to the house? Mrs. Pappas: Nothing, I didn't do anything. That' s why I don't understand. Mr. Heuser: I see, you bought it in August of 1970 but it was completed earlier in 1970. Mrs. Pappas: I think there must be a mistake or some- thing. I see people who got $200 increases and the same it goes up for everybody. $1500 is alot of increase. I am across the street from Mr. Zaenker. Mr. DeMaula: You have no question on the tax assessment on the land? Grievance Day Town of Southold -35- July 15, 1975 Mrs. Pappas: No. Mrs. Lytle: You have a bath and a half. The other family only has one bathroom. Mrs. Pappas: I don't have a kitchen in the basement. I don't have a stove, I have no cabinets. I have my washing machine, yes, and a thing for the water but I don't have a kitchen. I did not hide anything since the house was built. Mr. Kelsey: Do you have a finished basement there? Mrs. Pappas: It was like that when I bought the house. Mr. Kelsey: Do you have a kitchen down there? Mrs. Pappas: No, I don't have a kitchen down there. Mr. DeMaula: She says she just has a washing machine down there. Mrs. Pappas: _ That' s it, it' s my laundry. Mr. DeMaula: A laundry doesn't constitute a kitchen. Mrs. Pappas: It is inconvenient for me to come out from my kitchen. Mr. Kelsey: We only go by the square footage and the rate times it and the land value. Mrs. Pappas: You saw this house when you assessed me last time and I did not do anything to it. Mrs. Lytle: Mr. Kelsey, you do not discuss it with the taxpayer, you discuss it with us and we discuss it with the taxpayer, that' s the law. We want to know what that kitchen facilities means. Mr. Kelsey: If we are wrong we will go back there again. It would have no bearing on the assessed valuation. Mrs. Lytle: It would not increase the valuation? Mr. Kelsey: No. + Mr. Heuser: Suppose it was a finished family room. Mr. Kelsey: We would mark that down. Mr. Heuser: I could put a $6,000 finished family room in Grievance Day Town of Southold -36- July 15, 1975 my house and you wouldn't raise my assessed valuation? Mr. Kelsey: We go by square footage. We aren't con- cerned with the inside of the house, we're not allowed to go in unless we're invited. Mrs. Lytle: We wondered how you would know. Mr. Kelsey: We probably peeked in the window. Mrs. Lytle: We wonder how you found something that the lady says is not here. Mr. . Kelsey: That was put on before I was an assessor. Mrs. Lytle: There is a one-car garage under in the back. Would you know anything about that particular rate, that high a rate. Mr. Kelsey: The $3 rate means that it has a cellar and has heat but it doesn't have a fireplace. Mr. DeMaula: The $4.50 rate because it has half a story over this one that is completely single story. Mr. Kelsey: If it had a full cellar, fire place and heat, it would be basically $3.50. Mr. DeMaula: The additional cost in the rate per square footage is because it is actually considered a story and a half. Mrs. Lytle: Do you consider that a story and a half? Mrs. Pappas: How could it be, it is a basement. I don't understand it either. Mr. Heuser: I think we are coming back to what I was asking him about the recreation room. Mr. DeMaula: When you come in your front door in your house, do you go up a set of stairs to your living room and your kitchen? Mrs. Pappas: Four steps but then I have to go down to go to the basement. Mr. DeMaula: When you come in your front door, you go four steps up and down from the front door to your base- ment. Mrs. Pappas: Yes. Grievance Day Town of Southold -37- July 15, 1975 ' Mr. DeMaula: It' s a high ranch. a Mrs. Pappas: Right. Mr. Brown: But it' s finished off? Mrs. Pappas: No, what do you call finished off? There is sheetrock.;' Mr. DeMaula: Is it partitioned? Mrs. Pappas: No, it is one large room. Mr. DeMaula: The only partition is to the garage? Mrs. Pappas: Right. There is a partitioned garage. Mr. DeMaula: This is one solid room with nothing? Mrs. Pappas: This is one big room with�'nothing, just sheetrock. Mr. Brown: Is there anything on the floor. Mrs. Pappas: There is tile on the floor but it was like that when I bought the house. I didn't add a thing to it, just the patio outside and I didn't know I was going to be billed for the patio, 25¢ a square foot for a patio? If I knew it I wouldn't have made it so big. I don't like cement and I put stone. I did that myself. I don't think youipay any more for cement. Mr. DeMaula: This is basically a raised ranch and this is basically just a ranch. This whole area is just com- pletely unfinished with sheetrock and the on the floor and this is the way you purchased the house? Mrs. Pappas: The same way. I did not add a thing to it. I don't have the money. The kids play in it. I put a ping pong table for the kids to play with. I came to Mr. Fox the other day and told him it wasn't fair for such a big increase. Mr. DeMaula: It is a completely unfinished room parti- tioned off from the garage. s Mrs.Pappas: It was there and it is what they are going to see again because I did not do anything. I put car- peting upstairs, fine. I put furniture upstairs. I have beds and all that but I did not do anything to the walls or anything. The floors were there, everything was there when they assessed it. Grievance Day Town of Southold -38- July 15, 1975 t Mr. DeMaula: The other gentleman says it doesn't matter if there is a finished cellar there or not. ` Mr. Fickeissen: This price is based on it having a finished cellar. Mrs. Pappas: I don't have a kitchen or stove. He said even if I had it it wouldn't make any difference. Mr. Fickeissen: We can take another look at it. Mrs. Lytle: I think we will let it go now and we will take it up later. We meet later at a later date, we meet on all these cases and make our decision and we will notify you by mail and we will check through on this. It will be a week and a half, at least, before you will hear from us. We will send you a letter of the decision. #20. George and Barbara Lomaga, 71 Miriam Road, Mattituck Property located at Mattituck Lot #78, Captain Kidd Estates Land - $1100 Land and Buildings- $2500 Mr. Brown administered the oath as follows: "Do you, George Lomaga, solemly swear that the information you give herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability?" Mr. Lomaga: I do. Mrs. Lytle: (Mr. Lomaga presented a long list to compare with his property) We are not going to pull and compare with everyone. I would ask you to pick out three as the most important ones and we will pull them. Mrs. Lytle: If you have two . separate bills, you have to have two forms. Mr. Lomaga: I put them both on the bottom. + Mr. DeMaula: Are.::you -contesting both? Mr. Lomaga: I am contesting both but I am primarily interested on the one that is the garage lot. That' s the one I'm mainly interested about. Mr. Brown: If you are going to contest both, you will Grievance Day Town of Southold -39- July 15, 1975 have to make up two separate forms. Mr. Lomaga: The problem is today is all over with. What do I do in that case? Mrs. Lytle: You can go outside and I will give you a form. Cross out one of these. Mr. Lomaga: I' d rather do it right now. The one I want is 78 on Summit Drive. It' s primarily my garage in that area. Mrs. Lytle: Does this purchase price include both. Mr. Lomaga: It is the total purchase price. I don't have a separate purchase price on both lots. When we bought the parcel it was just sold to me. Mr. Heuser: Are they adjacent? Mr. Lomaga: Yes. It' s a corner lot. Mrs. Lytle: If you have two separate bills, we would have to act separately on the amount of the bills because you don't show what you want it reduced ,to separately. Mr. Lomaga: I want both of them. The garage has stayed essentially the same because you were around when I bought the house and reevaluated• .it and it hasn't changed and that' s why I was concerned about. I was reevaluated in 1970 or 71. Mr. Heuser: I know his property and know how it is situated. The only way is put the two bills together. That' s the only way you can handle it. Mr. Lomaga: That' s what I did on my form is put them both together. Mr. Heuser: He gets two tax bills for some unknown reason. I would handle it as one unit. Mrs. Lytle: O.K. , we'll handle it as one, we just decided. We'll make a special note on it. This is just land with a garage on it. Mr. Lomaga: We bought the house in 1970 and it was re-evalued in 1970. Mr. Garelle was there and it went up $600. The house didn't but the garage did. The house hadn't been re-evaluated. That' s what I am con- cerned about. My house went up and my garage went up. Grievance Day Town of Southold -40- July 15, 1975 Mr. Heuser: The land went up $500, and the other lot went up $200. Mr. Lomaga: The land value. Fine, but why did my garage go up is my concern again. Mr. Heuser: Your garage only went up $100. The $500 is on the land which had not been reappraised since 1960, so the garage itself only went up $100. Mr. Lomaga: How come I have a total of going up $2100 somewhere and my garage went up more than my house. Mr. Heuser: Your house went up $1500, $200 on land and $1300 on buildings. That' s the first appraisal since 1961. Your garage went up $500 on land which is the first increase since 1961 and the garage went up '$100 in three years. Mr. Lomaga: How come I have a total of $2100 and it only comes up now to $1900. Somewhere along the line I don't agree with you. My garage just went up in 1970 when you came by and I didn't do any changes. Mr. Heuser: Your garage went up $600 in 1970. Mr. Lomaga: Right, and now it goes up again. Mrs. Lytle: This card of Arthur Zaenker. This is only land. Does he have a piece of land with a house 6n it? Mr. Lomaga: Mine has been higher since everyone else since Mr. Hock, who owned the house previous to me, his has been higher than anyone else in the neighborhood. I buy the house and you come back and appraise the house and the garage goes up again. That I can understand. I am not complaining. Then you come and reappraise again and I don't get appraised in proportion to everybody else in the neighborhood but I get appraised more than anybody else. That' s what I can't understand. Mr. Heuser: You're in John Hock' s house? The one with the swimming pool? Mr. Lomaga: Yes, sir. I have been there since 1970. '- My point is that I just felt that I was higher than any- one else in the neighborhood. I realize in thirteen years that things should go up in assessment but my question was that I have been higher and I was reassessed in 1970 and I go proportional to everyone else higher. That was just my feelings. I haven't made any improvements, any addi- tions. It still remains the same. M-... Grievance Day Town of Southold -41- July 15, 1975 Mrs. Lytle: Your property was insured for $42,000? Mr. Lomaga: That was 'an approximation, yes. That' s the entire garage, everything. Mrs. Lytle: Your total assessment would be $10,400. Have you any idea what you would charge for this? Mr. Lomaga: I would probably want more than I purchased it for. I would probably ask somewhere around $50,000. At least higher than that I know I would ask. Ms Lytle: The point is I don't think the assessors are even appraising it as high as you are. Mr. Lomaga: I just checked everyone else out and I didn't like what I saw, that' s all. Mrs. Lytle: We will give it serious thought and pull some more of the cards. We sit next week. I will send you a letter. #21. Julian P. Zurawski, 1995 Naugles Drive, Mattituck. Property located at Mattituck N - Harry Bach S - Arthur Frank E Mattituck Inlet W - Naugles Drive Land - $1,300 Land and Buildings - $5,500 Mr. Brown administered the oath as follows: "Do you solemnly swear that the information you give herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability?" Mrs. Lytle: Do you mean you want $550 taken off it. You want it reduced to $550? Mr. Zurawski: That' s right. Mr. DeMaula: Who is to the north of you? Mr. Zurawski: Inlet Trio. They have people living in there. It' s 1 and 1/5 of an acre. They have on it four bungalows and four all year round homes. The people are living in there. Mrs. Lytle: Give us, two names you really want to compare with. They must be homes. j. Grievance Day : Town of Southold -42- July 15, 1975 Mr. Zurawski: Inlet Trio, Bach, Robinson. Mr. DeMaula: I would like to know the property to the north of you because it is exactly the same. Mr. Zurawski: It is the Harry Bach Estate. It is a half acre like me. He' s got the same thing like me. Another man' s name would be, that' s a porporation, Inlet Trio. Mrs. Lytle: Is that a home? Mr. Zurawski: Yes, it is a home and four bungalows. Mr. Heuser: It' s a bungalow colony, not a home. On there are three or four bungalows and it' s all included on that one piece of property and it wouldn' t be fair to compare it to your one piece of property because it has five buildings. Mr. Zurawski: Yes and they have one and a fifth acre. On this Inlet Trio there is a profit on that, right? I have to compare those people that they have four bunga- lows and all year round homes. Their taxes are $1,115.26. My taxes are $730.25. They are paying $385.01 more taxes. 1 Mrs. Lytle: Do you have the property insured? You don't say so on the form. Mr. Zurawski: Yes, it is insured by a broker. He takes care of that. Mrs. Lytle: How much is it insured for? Mr. Zurawski: I don't know. I pay the bill and that' s all. I just trust the people. Mr. Brown: Harry Bach, is that his house? Mr. Zurawski: Yes, he had this addition put in lately, a few years ago. He' s got a garage in front of that house. I have an extra building. I built that building for my son and he died and it is just standing there with junk in it. That' s all that' s in there. It' s a small thing there. Mr. Brown: Is it finished off? Does it have a kitchen or anything in it? Mr. Zurawski: I finished almost everything but it is still not finished. He died and we just loaded it with furniture and it' s left like that. I am not using it. Grievance Day Town of Southold -43- July 15, 1975 Mr. Heuser: The tax people must count it as a building. Mr. Zurawski: I am paying on the land $100 more than Bach. We have the same 50 - 50 and I am paying $100 more on land. Mr. DeMaula: They both have 55 feet on the water. The map shows 55 feet a piece. Mr. Zurawski: The surveyor says I only have 50 feet. Mr. DeMaula: The map shows 55 feet and 50 foot on the road frontage. Mr. Zurawski: The frontage on the road is easy to do but in the back its on a slant. Mrs. Lytle: The land is not involved. The house is in question more, I would think. Mr. Zurawski: I am still paying on the land more. Mrs. Lytle: Do you want to leave us your list? Mr. Zurawski: Here' s one more person, Robinson. She' s got six and a fifth of an acre, right? She' s got a big beautiful home there. My home would look like a shack. She is paying $902.83. In other words, for that beauti- ful place she is paying $172.58 more. It' s another half an acre she owns. I don't know if it' s that other half acre. She' s got 50 foot on the water. She told me her- self that she' s got 50 foot there. She' s got a boat and everything there. Mr. DeMaula: She' s got an easement and a right of way to it. Mr. Zurawski: And she ' s only paying $13.28 taxes there on that. Mrs. Lytle: We'll pull the card later. We have this other one. We'll check it all out and look at the map and we'll decide and then write you. Give us your list. , #22. Thomas Jurzenia, P. 0. Box 285, Greenport. Property located in west Greenport. N - Long Island Railroad S - Peconic Bay E - A.M. Nelson W - Silvermere Road Land - $6,300 Grievance Day Town of Southold -44- July 15, 1975 • Mr. Brown administered the oath as follows: "Do you solemnly swear that the information You give herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability?" Mr. Jurzenia: I do. I should have been here five years . ago but I didn't have the time and this happens to be a real slack period and I was able to come up. Mr. Heuser: They reduced your taxes in 1971 because of a wetland decision. Mr. Jurzenia: If they reduced the taxes on this land, there has never been a reduction. Mr. Heuser: We have the wrong one. Mrs. Lytle: Mr. DeMaula, what is the name of the man in Stony Brook and also the Town Board. Mr. DeMaula: Anthony Taormina. Mr. Jurzenia: I've been through the hassle with all of those guys. I am here, I could have been here sooner. I didn't even realize I had to file a form on this. Here ' s my argument on this thing. I am $130,000 in debt on a piece of property I can't put a shovel to. The beach has eroded down to nothing. I had $1100 in taxes last year. You have farmland that' s productive. You have high ground that' s productive. I talked to Perry Duryea, the State is making a survey. I talked to Taormina, the State is making a survey. I talked to another guy. and another guy is making a survey. In the meantime, I'm either going to have this investment that I've got because I can't continue to pay that kind of taxes on a piece of property that I can'.t develop. I will cite an incident to you. Mr. Fickeissen built our motel next to it and we had a twenty foot strip in back of the property. I'm talking about 157 and 158. We had dumped some fill long prior to the wetlands. Early last summer Skrezec was building a cesspool and he dumped some fill exactly on top of the 157 fill. Two days later I've got an environmental cop_. from Orient down there and he says who owns the property. I said I do. He says we've got a complaint that youire filling the wetlands. I said how can we be filling the wetlands? It' s above the road level and it' s been there since 1957. Two weeks later I'm being hassled by two guys from Stony Brook on who' s filling the wetlands. No- body is filling the wetlands. If you want to take a boring you can see what' s been laying here and you're welcome to do it. The stupid cops issued a citation, the fellows in Stony Brook had enough sense to just heave it �_r Grievance Day Town of Southold -45- July 15, 1975 alone. We're responsible business people. We've been in the business for over thirty years. If you want to give me names and addresses, just forget about it. I've been through the whole schmear. At the last hearing with Perry Duryea I asked him and Mr. Rich said something about a scenic easement. A scenic easement is alright for somebody that stole the property from his grandfather or was donated the property by his grandfather but when you are paying $4,000 a year in interest on a $80,000 mortgage, that' s another story. This is my case. Either the town should buy it or the county should buy it or it should be put in some kind of public property because nobody is going to buy it from me with this restriction on it. I can't do a damn thing on it. In fact, I'm not even supposed to trespass on my own property, because I'm walking over some types of grass. I spoke to Albert Martocchia and Mrs. Toner who holds the mortgage on the property and told her very frankly, this morning, if we can' t resolve this thing one way or the other, for the past ten years you can go back and check the tax records, we paid the taxes. She was willing to take back a second mortgage on the interest. In the 50' s we could have developed that into a big marina. That was before the environment and so on. I'm not against it. I presented this to the people of Nature Conservancy and they said they'd take but they have no money. In the meantime if I was getting my own investment out of it I wouldn't care. I'm sitting on something that' s an unusual case. With the penalty I paid $1100 in taxes this year. I would like you to give it consideration. Plus all the time I'm a policeman keeping the kids off the beach and I don't have to tell you what the beach situation is now. Somebody has to force .the issue on the wetlands in this community. This is my argument. They've been taking aerial surveys, geographical surveys, etc. and everybody you approach they say they haven't completed it yet. In the meantime I don' t have another ten years to go on it. I'm 61 years of age. If I want to deed this over to my children or something like I don't want to leave them with a responsibility they won't be able to overcome. Mrs. Lytle: Make a copy of the tape in your words. I would like to see a copy of the tape made, sent to different organizations and copies to the various news- papers and from that point on we may get some organization to take it up. I don't know what suggestion the assessors may have when we talk to them but, as far as any power to to anything about the tax itself, we have no power. Mr. Jurzenia: I don't know about power but there should be some consideration. Grievance Day Town of Southold -46- July 15, 1975 • Mrs. Lytle: I think it would be within our authority to let people, somebody, know what has come to us that we are unable to do anything about but somebody has to some day do something about it. Mr. Jurzenia: I was talking about ecology long before it became a popular word. That' s why I came out here. In the meantime, we have to give Mrs. Toner some sort of an answer on this thing. Mrs. Lytle: When you speak to Mrs. Toner you can tell her what we said as a board and that' s all you know. Mr. Jurzenia: That' s all I know but I'd like to have some serious consideration on the reduction of our taxes. Mr. DeMaula: Let' s get the assessor for the area. I want to know if this is the procedure on all wetlands. Mr. Fickeissen: This property is unique. It separates the beach from the bay. Mr. Jurzenia: We pay taxes on the shorefront and there is no possibility of developing it. We have the motel ` right next to it. We are reaching a point -in competition where we would like to put- up a few tennis courts. We don't have the area. We would like to put in a swimming pool. Everytime you make a move, you have to go through 40 or 50 different committees. Mrs. Lytle: Mr. Fox, we would like to ask you for a very quick answer. What' s the general procedure on these situations, wetlands? Mr. Fox: Well, where he now is limited, then we have reviews but he has never approached us. Mrs. Lytle: What would you do? Mr. Fox: I would reduce it but I think when he bought it, he could do anything he wanted with it. Mrs. Lytle: How much would you reduce it to? Mr. Fox: Depending on the assessment that' s on it. Mrs. Lytle: A percentage. Mr. Fox: I'd be willing to take him down to one quarter of what that is, in other words, seventy-five percent. Grievance Day Town of Southold -47- July 15, 1975 Mrs. Lytle : What you will have to do now, complainant believes the assessment should be reduced to, that figure you must fill in because we can't go below that figure. Mr. Jurzenia: As I presented this form, this has no value, it has no resale value whatever. If I say it should be reduced to a certain point, then I am com- mitting myself to what I think it' s worth. Mr. DeMaula: Mr. Fox seems to be somewhat receptive to some type of tax relief on this. Why don't you and he discuss this and resubmit this form to us at the end of the day with these numbers filled in. Mrs. Lytle: Mr. DeMaula, I think you are out of order because the assessors have no authority to speak to the taxpayer about it at all. I have discussed it with Mr. Fox and we have all heard it. I asked him a question and now it' s up to us to make our decision. Mr. Jurzenia: I'm not hear to create an argument or disturbance. I've been penalized for it long enough. What I'm trying to do is get some equity. Legally we • could prove everything. Morally what do we do? Mrs. Lytle: We will meet at another date and make our decision and you will be notified by mail. #12. James E. Callahan, 91 Central Drive, Mattituck Property located at Mattituck Lot #91, Captain Kidd Estates Land - $800 Land and Buildings - $6,000 Mr. Brown administered the oath as follows: "Do you solemnly swear that the information you give herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability?" Mr. Callahan: I do. Mr. Callahan: D',would like to know how the Board of Assessors arrived at this increase. I haven't made any improvements on the structure of this building. r Mrs. Lytle asked Mr. Fox to explain the card. Mr. Fox: This building permit was issued in 1970. The rest was law. We couldn't raise him without doing the whole area. Now the area has been reviewed. Grievance Day Town of Southold -48- July 15, 1975 Mr. Heuser: And they brought you back to what you were before. Mrs. Lytle: You practically heard the answer. Mr. Callahan: I feel it' s more of a friendly discussion anyway. I feel there is a possibility of error here. The thing that I don't understand is I paid for the improvement on the property in 1971 and I felt at the time that I was paying the maximum on it even though they assessed me far more than what I paid. It' s not a thousand, it' s $1600. You're not counting the $400 that I'm already paying. Mr. Heuser: In 171 they have assessed you for $5,800 and then they cancelled that to equalize. Mr. Callahan: No, they didn't cancel the whole thing. They raised it $400. Now, they are coming back and hitting me with $1,000 which is more again. This is what I am saying. If as you say or he said that he assessed me at that figure in '71, now he is coming back and hitting me again. I think it' s in error, I don't think its deliberate. I think it' s an honest mistake just the same as it was last time. Mrs. Lytle: Do you have anything to compare it to? V Mr. Callahan: As far as Captain Kidd Estates is concerned, I think it' s the only house on the block that is like that and to compare that. . . . . . Mrs. Lytle: There' s nothing that is halfway comparable? Mr. Callahan: Not exactly like that. Mr. Heuser: The other houses don' t come up as nice as yours. Mr. Callahan: I'm not denying this, but. . . . . . . Mr. Heuser: I know your house. It is alot better. The other houses are those experimental. . . . Mr. Callahan: I built it myself, but the thing is you r hit me for $1,000 last time. O.K. , I questioned it and it was reduced $600. Now, you are coming back and adding $1200 more on and that' s the reason why in my petition I say it is $600 out of the way. I'm not questioning the whole thing. I understand that taxes must be raised but I say it is raised too high. I'm not trying to nitpick or anything like that. Grievance Day Town of Southold -49- July 15, 1975 Mr. Heuser: There are no houses around there on that block. It is a nice outstanding house. Mrs. Lytle: Do you have the house insured? Mr. Callahan: Yes, I do. Mrs. Lytle: May I have the approximate figure? Mr. Callahan: I believe it' s $40,000, but that' s replaceable value. I couldn't build it for $40,000. Mrs. Lytle: Do you have a mortgage on it? Mr. Callahan: I never had a mortgage on it. I built the whole thing myself. Mrs. Lytle: I just wanted something to go by to figure what the value of the house is. Mrs. Lytle: Any questions, gentlemen: Mr. Heuser: One of the reasons they raised the assessment in 1971 is because you had done some remodeling work of ` $4,000 in 1970. Mr. Callahan: Yes, I put a two-car garage on. At that time they had reassessed the whole house for the extra $1,000. In other words, they were bringing me up to I believe you would say the 1965 standing and then when I complained about it, they reduced and took $600 off. Now, they are coming back and adding that money. This is what I am saying. Mr. Heuser: We are talking two different things. On July 20 of 19711)they increased the assessed valuation of your property $500. Mr. Callahan: I believe it' s $400 but you have the records, you can tell me. O.K. , then I went up $500. Mr. Heuser: But they did that because between 19611)and 1971, you put the garage in there for $4,000 and that was the reason they brought you up on July 20th of 1971. Mr. Callahan: Correct, for that $500. Mr. Heuser: Outside of that increase for the garage, there, was no increase on your property since 1961. Mr. Callahan: This is correct. But the thing is now you are coming back and I was assessed as if nothing happened in 1971. This is my argument. In other words, 'in 1971 when this alteration was completed I was assessed more and I came here and discussed it and it was reduced. Grievance Day Town of Southold -50- July 15, 1975 However, that adjustment is at the 1965 rate. Now, you are coming back and reassessing me for the entire thing all over again. Now when you are reassessing me you are ` not taking into .account that I've already taken care of my reassessment. I paid that. Now I 'm paying double. I'm getting hit twice on a 1971 thing. In other words, the addition I put in 1970, I got hit in 1971 and now I am get- ting hit on top of it again. Mr. Heuser: For a new reassessment value. Mr. Callahan: Again I'm getting hit at a rate that I 've already been paying. Mr. Heuser: In other words, excluding the garage there hasn't been any raise in your assessed valuation since 1962. Mr. Callahan: In 161 the property was raised. Now we are raising the property again and you are reassessing the entire building again. This is my point. Mr. Heuser: I see your point, but I also want to emphasize the fact and this is not a decision just a • discussion, from 1961 to 1974 you and I and alot up in that area were able to take advantage of a nice reduced assessment and when they reassessed the property, I would say that 70% of the people in that area complained because they were reassessed. For eighteen years, they hadn't been. Mr. Callahan: I understand this. This is perfectly alright. I know I should be reassessed. This is part of the entire reorganization of the Town. I agree with this but what I do say is that you are making a mistake of $600. That' s all I am complaining. I'm not trying to get around something. It is point blank. It' s right there. They made a mistake of $600, that' s all. I'm not saying you're wrong. Mrs. Lytle: Thank you very much, Mr. Callahan. We will look it all over and in a week or a week and a half' s time you will be notified by us. x#23. Silvestro Morin, 285 Hobart Road, Southold, New York Property located at Southold N - Village Inn E - Mullen S - Price W - Hobart Road Land - $900 Land and Buildings - $7,700 �; Grievance Day Town of Southold -51- July 15, 1975 • Mrs. Lytle administered the oath as follows: "Do you solemnly swear that the information you give herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability?" Mr. Morin: I do. I can't speak English too good. Mr. Heuser: We'll go slowly. Mrs. Lytle: What did you do to the house. Mr. Morin: The upstairs. I built the house last year. Mr. DeMaula: Is it single story? Did you live in the cellar? Mr. Morin: No, I lived upstairs. I make a small kitchen, that' s all. Mr. Heuser: When was the house finished? Mr. Morin: Last year. Mr. Heuser: What month? Mr. Morin: Finished last year in July. I come over here in July. Mr. Heuser: This looks like it was a partial appraisal. Ed, have you got a minute? (addressed to Mr. Fickeissen) Mrs. Lytle: Isn' t that two appraisals, one for the first part and the other when he put the second part on? Mr. Fickeissen: No, last year it was a shell and partial assessment and we went back this year and finished it. Mrs. Lytle: It says here completed in 1974. Mr. Fickeissen: Yes, probably in the. winter. Mr. Heuser: $40,000, is that what the house cost you? This is what they assessed him for in 1974 when it was being built and this is what they assessed him for in 175 when it was finished. Mrs. Lytle: In the beginning you had part of a house, it wasn't finished so the tax wasn't so high. You finished the house, the tax went up and that' s it. Mr. Morin: I figure it go too much up. I am retired, my Grievance Day Town of Southold -52- July 15, 1975 I've got a $600 paycheck. I am sick, too. Mrs. Lytle: You say the house cost $40,000? Mr. Morin: Yes. Mrs. Lytle: On the basis of what they have assessed you, they've only valued it at about $35,000. They haven't taxed you as high as you think it' s worth. To get almost the correct value of the house, we take-four and we multiply and we take the tax figure that they give you of $7,700 and multiply that by four and that would give you what they think is the approximate worth of the house. You figure your house is worth more. Do you understand? Mr. Heuser at this point found that Mr. Morin knew some German and attempted to explain to him using some German words intermittently. Mrs. Lytle: You build a big house, you get big tax. You build a small house, small tax. Mr. Morin: Everybody before say small tax in Southold. Mr. Heuser: When I built my house ten years ago I paid $420 taxes on it. Today, I am paying over $800. You can't do a thing about it. (He reiterated his previous explanation with intermittent German. ) Mrs. Lytle: We will write you. #24. Corbett and Yvonne Jones, 57 Sound Road, Greenport, New York Property located at Greenport N - Fucillo S - Ahassy E - Sound Avenue W - Sunset Lane Land - $1,700 Land and Buildings - $8,200 Mr. Brown administered the oath as follows: "Do you solemnly swear that the information you give herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability?" Mrs. Jones: I do. Mrs. Lytle: This is the house next door. You didn't get an increase? Grievance Day Town of Southold -53- July 15, 1975 • Mrs. Jones: No, I didn't get an increase. y Mr. Heuser: You didn't get a raise in assessment. Mrs. Lytle: No, it is 1970 on both of them. Mr. Heuser: What kind of heat have you got in your home? Mrs. Jones: Hot water. Mr. Heuser: It would look as if you had closed in a breezeway or something. What .do you have between your garage and your patio. Mrs. Jones: That' s next door. We don't have a patio. Between the garage and the patio, we don't have anything. I have my kitchen. Mr. DeMaula: I see. They made the garage separate and the kitchen is all by itself. Mrs. Jones: We didn't make any improvements since we have been there so this is why I can't understand why we were assessed twice since the time we moved there, an increase ' of $1400 in assessment. Mr. Heuser: Your neighbor was assessed in ration to you at the same time. Mrs. Jones: My neighbor had improvements. He built a patio. Was he assessed twice? Mr. Heuser: In 1962 and 1970. Mrs. Jones: Was he assessed as much as I was? Mr. DeMaula: The land started out the same. Then there was a $100 discrepancy. Mr. Heuser: The Joneses have more property than the other people. It' s almost a quarter of an acre more than Fucillo. You have 3/4 of an acre and that' s going to constitute a--difference in the land. Mrs. Jones: How about the house? i Mr. DeMaula: The rate of assessment is the same. They are both being charged $3.50 a square foot. We are speaking about the patio. You are both being charged 15¢ a square foot on the patio.:. We are talking about the square footage of the house. Grievance Day Town of Southold -54- July 15, 1975 Mr. Heuser: The difference is you have more square feet in your home than your neighbor. Mrs. Jones: We do? Mr. DeMaula: Yes, 310 square feet more. This is by the assessors' records. Mrs. Jones: How many total square feet do you have on there? Mr. Heuser: On yours?- .' .1448 square feet on your neighbors. Mr. DeMaula: And 1759 on yours. Mrs. Jones: That includes the patio and everything? Mr. DeMaula: No, the inside of your house less your garage and less the patio. The rate of charge per square foot is exactly the same, $3.50 per square foot. They are charging the exact same on the square footage for each of the houses. It' s just that your house happens to have 300 more square feet than the other. Mrs. Jones: It' s actually the way the house is built because they have more room in their house than we have. Mrs. Lytle: It may seem that way. Sometimes it' s the way you place furniture. Mr. DeMaula explained the cards to Mrs. Jones and how the square footage is arrived at. Mrs. Jones: It' s probably the way it' s laid out because they have as much room as I have in their house. Mr. DeMaula: If there is a discrepancy, we definitely want to pick it up. Mrs. Jones: I'm wondering about the square feet here. I'm going to have my husband check that.. They could have made a mistake inmeasuring the square feet. Mr. DeMaula: Generally, what they do is they take a tape _ measure and go around the outside of the house. Mrs. Jones: Is the rate the same in all locations? Mr. DeMaula: Depending on the type houses. Mr. Heuser: On the construction of the house, that' s what affects it. Grievance Day Town of Southold -55- July 15, 1975 Mr. DeMaula: Some people pay $5. per square foot and some people are paying $2.75 per square foot. Mrs. Jones: We don't get that breakdown on our tax reports. Mr. Heuser: You get an average rate. Mr, DeMaula: It depends on what' s in it, too, if it has a fireplace, a full basement. This determines the rate for the square footage of the house. Mrs. Jones: Did the rate go up on my property since the beginning? Mrs. Lytle: We will meet later on and make our decision and you will be notified by mail. #27. Carol R. Smith, Noxon Road, Poughkeepsee, New York Property located at Greenport N - North Fork Bank & Trust Co. S - Front Street E - North Fork Bank & Trust Co. W - Kalbacker Land $8,400 Land and Buildings - $20,600 Mr. Brown administered the oath as follows: "Do you solemnly swear that the information you give herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability?" Mrs. Reiter (mother of Mrs. Smith) : I do. Mrs. Lytle: Am I correct, is this where the old post office was? Mrs. Reiter: It doesn't include the post office. Mrs. Lytle: The reason I had the cards pulled was for comparison. Sturm' s is an empty lot. Mrs. Reiter: No, Sturm' s are those brick buildings. Mr. Brown: Right across from the post office on the same side. Mrs. Reiter: Yes. Mr. Brown: The printing place is in there now. Mrs. Reiter: All these stores go from Front--.Street into Adams Street and have access to the parking spaces and e Grievance Day Town of Southold -56- July 15, 1975 " and these two little ones are on the mall and the only access is from one door. We don't even have a space for delivery or garbage disposal. Most of these properties that. are listed are comparable mainly in location. Some are old buildings but with much bigger properties. These two wings are really about the highest assessed of all buildings including Claudio' s Restaurant which has the harbor and a big parking space, a big piece of property. Mills Store has two acres of land on Main Street, on Front Street. In the back by Greenport Harbor they are assessed less. I was told because of the mall it was assessed higher. You can see it is no advantage. You can see the proof in the pudding that nobody is renting the stores there. They don't want to be in there. If they were on Front Street or Main Street there wouldn't be any problem. Mrs. Lytle: How many stores do you actually own at the moment? Mrs. Reiter: There are eight little stores. Mrs. Lytle: There are eight stores that you actually own. I thought some of them had been sold. Mrs. Reiter: We haven' t sold any. Mr. Fox: May I clarify this? These two wings that she refers to were split off of the post office and the little mall between is also hers. None of these stores have been sold. The split off from the post office made you think it but none have been sold. They own the two wings. Mr. DeMaula: fs this the same property as last year? Mrs. Lytle: We couldn't act because she didn't have the title. Mrs. Reiter: Actually, we did have the title but you didn't get the papers. . Mrs. Lytle: I don't think there is anything more until we sit and decide unless there is a question you want to ask Mr. Fox now. Mrs. Reiter: I just feel this is so over assessed according to all the stores and businesses in Greenport. Even the Lipman Block has four stores and eight apartments w and about three times the size of the property and they pay a tax of about $1700 compared to about $4,000 that we pay. Financially, it is a hardship. Mrs. Lytle: Have you any questions, gentlemen? Grievance Day Town of Southold -57- July 15, 1975 M Mr. Heuser: How many units are in your project. Mrs. Reiter: Each wing is about 40 feet shorter than y the Hudson and Sturm buildings and there are four stores in each wing. Mr. Fox: I would like to make a suggestion in reference to her remarks of the vacant rentable properties that she owns. I think her proper approach would be on capitalization basis. I would recommend that. There are three ways of determining assessment. One is by building values, one is by market value and in businesses by capitalization. It is earnings as compared to investment and this is what, as the Board knows, the ,moving picture theatre up there do. They don't bother fighting the case based on the other two. They just put in on capitalization especially when you have three or -four empty rentable portions. It is not income producing and I think this is her proper approach. That' s just a suggestion. Mrs. Reiter: But aside from the empty stores, compared to the other properties and the value of them and the size of them, all business properties and access to all of them, ou have to compare that, too. I realize if I take in 1,000 and somebody smaller could take in $100,000. Is that what you are saying, it would be based on that? Mr. Fox: What I am saying is based on your own property. What your investment is, capitalization, there is a routine form that they follow and it is based on the investment you have in, your current expenses, your expected income, what your potential income is and what your actual income is. Out of all these figures they will come out with what your reasonable taxation should be. If it is below what you are paying, the court automatically grants it. Mrs. Lytle: But you have to go to your lawyer and have that handled. Mrs. Reiter: Then based on capitalization, you have to base all the other stores on capitalization and it would work out the same. Mrs. Lytle: Not necessarily so if they are doing good business. Mr. Heuser: I think you missed the point that Mr. Fox made. We will put it in writing when we give you the *� report. Mrs. Reiter: Then you don't base it on the compared value of other properties? Grievance Day Town of Southold -58- July 15, 1975 Mrs. Lytle: Yes, to a point we do. Mr. Heuser: There is more than one factor you must keep in mind. The one is based on assessed valuation but when you come to the point as Mr. Fox has said where your realization on your investment is so low because of idle property, they may not reduce the assessed value but they give you relief on income. Mr. Fox: She mentioned that she had three or four vacant rentals and based on that, this has to be approached through the capitalization method. Mrs. Reiter: My main complaint is that all the other in comparison and this is my main complaint. Mrs. Lytle: We will go over it on that basis and notify you by mail of our decision. ##1. Mattituck Associates, c/o Cronin and Medalie, Esqs. , 1539 Franklin Avenue, Mineola, New York 11501 Property located on Main Road, Mattituck Item ##511121 N - Long Island Railroad E - District 9 S - Main Road W - Hobson, Wyche Land - $13,700 Land and Buildings - $42,000 This is a legal case received in the mail. Item ##368801 N - Long Island Railroad E - Louise Wilson S - Main Road W - District Line Land - $27,300 Lind and Buildings - $142,600 This is a legal case received in the mail. ##5. Westbury Equipment Co. , Inc. , 615 Old Country Road, Westbury, New York 11590 Property located in Greenport ' N - Long Island Railroad E - Pipes Neck Road S - Creek W - Gutter Grievance Day Town of Southold -59- July 15, 1975 Land - $3,900 Item #8122 received in the mail (marshland) #6. Westbury Equipment Co. , Inc. , 605 Old Country Road, Westbury, New York 11590 Property located at Greenport N - Long Island Railroad E - Sill S - Creek W - Reiter - Homan, Jr. Land - $6,200 Item #8126 received in the mail (marshland) #25.235 Mill Street, Inc. , c/o Koepple Sommer Lesnick & Martone, P.C. , 220 Old Country Road, Mineola, New York 11501 Property located in Greenport Village N - South Street E - First Street S - Adams Street W - Seligson Land - $18,900 Land and Buildings - $52,000 Item #596201 received in the mail - legal case #26. William Luhrs, 88-05 63rd Avenue, Rego Park, New York Property located in Mattituck N - Weber S - Park District E - Map of Riley - Creek W - Bay Avenue Land - $12600 Land and Buildings - $6,100 Received in the mail. #9. John F. and Genevieve Stiles, 79 Summit Drive, Mattituck Property located in Mattituck Lot #79, Captain Kidd Estates Land - $800 Land and Buildings - $4,500 The Stiles complained to the assessors that the heating system wasn't as shown on the card and asked for an inspection in order to have the assessment reduced. Mr. Fox and Mr. Kelsey went out the morning of July 15, 1975 Grievance Day Town of Southold -60- July 15, 1975 and looked at the interior of the home and agreed that it should be reduced by $300. The Board will make the final decision when they handle the cases. #10. James J. and Despina Sideris, Box 530, Mattituck, New York Property located at Mattituck. Lot #5 - Map of Lida Bartley #770 Land - $500 Land and Buildings - $3,200 Received in the mail. #7. Arthur H. Zaenker, Box 1083, Mattituck Property located at Mattituck Lots #74, #75 and #76, Captain Kidd Estates Land $1,200 Land and Buildings - $4,300 Received in the mail. #2. United Artist Eastern Theatres, Inc. , c/o Koepple Sommer Lesnick & Martone, P.C. , 220 Old Country Road, Mineola, New York 11501 Property located in the Village of Greenport N - Front Street E - Mascony Transport & Ferry Service, Inc. S - American Legion W - Mascony Transport & Ferry Service, Inc. Land $5,400 Land and Buildings - $29,600 This is a legal matter received in the mail. #8. Mildred Bitses, Main Road, Southold Property located in Southold Lots #8 and #9, Northwood Estates Land - $1,200 each Received in the mail. It is not on the proper form and does not show what she wishes it reduced to. #28. Edward A. Reynolds, P. 0. Box 1074, Mattituck Property located at Mattituck Salt Lake Village Received in the mail. Grievance Day Town of Southold -61- July 15, 1975 #29. Terry S. Triades, 2505 Soundview Avenue, Mattituck Property located at Mattituck. Received in the mail. No amount stated for desired reduction. The Chairlady declared the day closed at 9:00 p.m. as there were no more people desiring to be heard. The Board will meet on July 21, 1975 at 9:00 p.m. to make their decisions. Respectfully submitted, Muriel Brush, Secretary ar