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The undersigned, being duly sworn do severally depose and
say that deponents are members of the Board of Assessment Review;
that deponents have read the foregoing and know the contents thereof;
and the matters set forth are true to the best of the deponents '
knowledge.
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Town Clerk, Town of Southold
FROM: Board of Assessment Review, Special Meeting
TO: Town Assessor
RE: ORDER FOR CHANGE IN FINAL ASSESSMENT ROLL
DATE: - a i i� L
The Board of Assessment Review for the Town offs-��JZ`JL
has duly met to hear petitions on the final town assessment roll for the
tax year 19 / , as prescribed by law.
The Board, having duly convened, has considered each petition for the tax
year indicated, as filed with this Board, as prescribed by law.
A majority of the Board had determined that all of the changes indicated
on the attached page(s) will be -made on the assessment roll by the Assessor.
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Total number of petitions submitted by assessor -
Total number of reductions in assessment -
Total number of increases in assessment -
Total number of petitions without a change - O
NOW, THEREFORE, the Board of Assessment Review hereby orders the assessor
or board of assessors to make all changes in assessments as determined by the
Board of Assessment Review on the final assessment roll of the Town
of v` �t for the iax year 19'gG ; in conformance with this order.
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• STATE OF NEW YORK
COUNTY OF S'uf f'o c 4" ) as:
TOWN OR VILLAGE OF
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The undersigned, being. duly sworn do severally depose and
say that deponents are members of the Board of Assessment Review;
that deponents have read the foregoing and know the contents thereof;
and the matters set forth are true to the best of the deponents '
knowledge.
Sworn to before me this day
of , 1986 .
Notary P is
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FKOM: Board of Assessment Review
TO: Town Assessor
RE: ORDER FOR CHARGE IN TENTATIVE ASSESSMENT ROLL
DATE: AUrt1S
The Board of Assessment Review for the Town of D U'1W640.Nit. has duly
met to hear complaints or grievances on the tentative town assessment roll
for the tax year 19 $4./27, as prescribed by law.
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The Board, having duly convened, has considered each and every complaint or
grievance on the assessments for the tax year indicated, as filed with this
Board, as prescribed by law.
A majority of the Board has determined that all of the changes indicated on
the attached page (s) will be made on the assessment roll by the Assessor.
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Total number of submitted by assessor - . .
Total number of complaints received on Grievance day
Total number of complaints reviewed by the Board - . . . ' 7� "
Total number of reductions in assessment - . . .
Total number of increases in assessment -
Total number of grievances without a change
NOW, THEREFORE, the Board of Assessment Review hereby orders the assessor or
board of assessors to make all changes in assessments as determined by the Board
of Assessment Review on the assessment roll of the Town of
for the tax year 199L, in conformance with this order.
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GRIEVANCE DAY MINUTES
JULY 15, 1986
DAY SESSION
Present were:
Chairman Sam Markel
Carol Bolger, Member
Sam Manarel , Member
Ernest Radford , Member
William Weinheimer, Member
#1 Charles Mazzarese
Saltaire Way
Mattituck, NY 11952
SCTM#1000-
CHAIRMAN: Do you solemnly swear that the information you give herein
will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your
ability?
Mr. Mazzarese: I do.
CHAIRMAN: Okay, sir, you can start stating your case.
Mr. Mazzarese: Well, I. . .
Mr. Manarel: Excuse me, do you have an application?
CHAIRMAN: I don' t have one, no. Did you send one in?
Mr. Mazzarese: I sent one in.
Mr. Manarel: Well, maybe it is in the pile.
CHAIRMAN: Okay, let me just look very quickly and see if they
have put it in here. Got it.
Mrs. Bolger: You were holding you breath for a minute, we
all were.
CHAIRMAN: Bill, would like to read the complaint?
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Mr. Weinheimer: Without reading all this which is considerable,
the fact is that the man is complaining that his square feet
of living space compared with other houses is being assessed
at a higher rate. And, he has a list of about six houses here
with approximately, indicating what there square feet is and
what their assessment is.
CHAIRMAN: Okay, why don't you bring in Fred Gordon and have
him pull the cards that he has listed and let us make our comparision
from those cards.
Mr. Mazzarese: One in particular there, on a footnote, the
last page on the bottom. I picked up where one individual
had more land than I do and he is assessed at 700 dollars and
I have less of a parcel and I'm assessed at 1000. I am here
to pay my fair share, I am not complaining about that, I 'm
just saying I would appreciate if this Board could consider
a slight reduction.
CHAIRMAN: Well, we are here to see that you get a fair shake.
Mr. Manarel: When you say living space, are you talking about
inside living space?
Mr. Mazzarese: Well, the bottom line of the chart, where
mine says on it 6900 or somesort. I don' t know if that is
living space.
Mr. Weinheimer: On the card that is living space at so much
a foot.
CHAIRMAN: Why don' t we get the comparative cards.
Mr. Manarel: You eliminate the garage, the garage comes in separately.
Mr. Mazzarese: Well, I found what all the other chart said.
CHAIRMAN: Bill, do you want to ring Freddie and ask him to
bring in the cards that you need.
Mr. Manarel: Did you add property to this?
Mr. Mazzarese: No.
Mr. Manarel: You did not add property to this?
Mr. Mazzarese: No.
Mr. Manarel: Did you sell propoerty?
Mr. Mazzarese: No. I bought the parcel a couple of years
ago and then I built a home on it. And, I notice_ the people
prior to me had a split.
Mr. Manarel: But, it was a vacant lot before?
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Mr. Mazzarese: Yes, I purchased a vacant lot and then after
I put a home on it everything went up. Which I understand
it is supposed to go up, but I say, in comparison.
Mr. Radford: It is a new house, about two years.
Mr. Mazzarese: Yes, I guess so. I did not have time to
really compare. I compared people on the street but I didn't
have to time to go, but I happened to pick that one when I
was going through the book. I trying to find people with
the same assessment that I do and try to compare the cards,
but I just did not have time. I bought it from Martino.
Mr. Manarel: There were so many other sales before, it is
kind of confusing here.
CHAIRMAN: Is Fred brings in the cards?
Mr. Weinheimer: We called up.
CHAIRMAN: Okay.
Mr. Mazzarese: And, there is one like the--Diggon ' s with an
inground swimming pool.
CHAIRMAN: Inground?
Mr. Weinheimer: That affects the rate, yes definetly.
Mr.Manarel: Did you ever see your card?
Mr. Mazzarese: Yes, when I was here last week.
Mr. Weinheimer: What is the square feet of living space?
Mr. Manarel: 31 by 60, 1860.
Mr. Weinheimer: 1860?
Mr. Manarel: Yes, at 325 per square foot.
Mr. Radford: These are a little bit bigger, a little larger
in square foot area.
Mr. Manarel: All the same construction, Sam, or, Bill?
Mr. Weinheimer: Nothing about construction, no.
Mr. Manarel: Because that determines the rate, if it were
a brick house, the rate would be higher.
Mr. Mazzarese: All frame homes. _
Mr. Manaral: All 325?
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CHAIRMAN: We don' t have the other card. -
Mr. Weinheimer: There is only one . . . none of them run as
high as his but there is one that is very close to it where
the assessment is 100 dollars less.
Mr. Mazzarese: Abate is high.
Mr. Weinheimer: I didn't look at the last one.
Mr. Manarel: You have to make sure that they were all charged
the same rate.
CHAIRMAN: Well, we have to wait for the cards.
Mr. Mazzarese: The other thing is that he has a larger pacel
that I do, his is . 5 something and mine is . 47 and he is assessed
at 700.
CHAIRMAN: Thank you Scott. Sam , here is your comparision.
(Assessor Scott Harris brought in the property cards )
Mr. Mazzarese: The ones you should zero in on is Abate and
Diggons.
Mr. Weinheimer: Don't have square feet on the complaint here.
Mr. Mazzarese: It' s larger than mine and on the cards.
Mr.Manarel: This is 350. Scott, may I ask you a question
before -you go. Mr. Mazzarese is 325 a square foot, the first
one we come to here is Mueller is 350 a square foot. Why would
one be charged 350 and one 325.
Mr. Harris : Full basement, fireplace, full basement, no fireplace.
CHAIRMAN: No charge for a wood stove though.
Mr. Harris: No.
Mr. Mazzarese: It is 5. 8, I am sorry 5 . 8 acres with seven
hundred and mine is . 479.
Mr. Weinheimer: . 58 acres and yours is . 479.
Mr. Mazzarese: Oh, I 'm sorry.
CHAIRMAN: . Less than a half acre
Mr. Mazzarese: You could probably zero in on the three. . .
Mr. Manarel: Yes, Robert Bayles. And Robert Bayles has the
same rate as yours. 325 per square foot, but he has 1200 square
feet and you have 1860.
Mr. Mazarrese: There is an extension.
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Mr. Manarel: There is an extension, I was coming to it. Extension
is 160 square feet so that makes 1360 square feet total at
325 per square foot comes to 520 and the two together come
to 4420. And, then he has got a deck which is 12 x12 , 144.
Yours is 12 x 14 and that is rated at . 25 cents per square
foot, for another for another 361 dollars so that is a total
of 4 ,456 dollars and. . . .
CHAIRMAN: Is there a discrepancy in the land, Sam?
Mr. Mazzarese: One other thing, the only thing I cold find
in my short time I had to review these.
Mr. Manarel: The land value is pratically the same, there
is so little difference, one is . 479 and Mazzarese' s and
Abate is . 465.
Mr. Weinheimer: Abate is . 465?
Mr. Manarel: No, no Bayles.
Mr. Mazzarese: If you do Abate, Diggons and Bayles, just
concentrate on those three and maybe. . . . it is 107-1-11.
Mr. Manarel: Abate is 107-11-7.
CHAIRMAN: Let me just see that one please.
Mr. Manrel: Diggon?
CHAIRMAN: No, Abate.
Mrs. Bolger: We don' t have Abate here.
Mr. Manarel: No, that is we want, that is the important one.
Mr. Mazzarese: It is 107-11-7.
Mr. Manarel: I think they made a mistake and brought the
other number.
Mr. Mazzarese: If you concentrate on Diggons, Abate and the
other one. . . . 100-1-2 is very close to my. . . .
CHAIRMAN: Will you please call and get the other card.
(Secretary called the Assessor' s Office to request the additional
card)
Mr. Manarel: So, the assessment is the same as far as the
land is concerned. .
Mr. Mazzarese: The only one I picked up that was different
was Abate.
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Mr. Manarel: His home is assessed at 69, yours is assessed
at 70 and the total would be 79 and yours is 80.
Mr. Mazzarese: What is the size of the home.
Mr. Manarel: The size of the home is broken down into two parts,
here, 1017, 1370 and yours is 1806. So, about 500 square feet
smaller than yours according to their measurements. And
Lambodulos is over is 1833 square feet. And your charged 325 and
he is charged 350.
(Assessor Scott Harris brought in card for number 107-11-7. )
Mr. Manarel: Abate' s land is assessed at 700 dollars, improvements
at 7500 and his total is 8200.
CHAIRMAN: What is the size of his plot?
Mr. Manarel: His plot is in two parts again, his is . 58. He
has more acreage than you do. And the square footage of his
house is 1400.
Mr. Mazzarese: I wasn' t debating that the square footage of
the home, there it was just the land.
Mr. Manarel: He has more land than you and assessed at 300
dollars less than you. That is location.
Mr. Harris: Yes.
CHAIRMAN: Is it in the immediate area of your house?
Mr. Mazzarese: It is about four blocks, up on the Main Road,
a few blocks away.
Mr. Manarel: Land values differ where you are located. If you
one water the land would be even higher.
Mr. Mazzarese: I am not on water, oh I see what you are saying,
if you're on water.
Mr. Manarel: Alright, are there any other questions, Sam?
CHAIRMAN: Bill do you have any questions, (none) ; Ernie (none) ;
Carol (none) . We do not make any decisions today, we accept
the facts and on August 4, we will meet again and make all
the decision at that time and some time after August 4, as
soon as the Secretary is able to compile all of this information,
etc.etc. , we will notify you by mail as to our decision.
Mr. Mazzarese: I don' t have to be present?
CHAIRMAN: No. If there are any facts that we possibliy might
need, we will be in touch with you. _
Mr. Mazzarese: Okay, I really want to add that I did not have
time to really inspect the whole area, I was only confined
to my immediate area , I did not have time to reallv dia into
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Mr. Mazzarese: this. And, I 'm sure that if the Board would
consider a slight reduction, I would really appreciate it.
CHAIRMAN: We will take it under advisement. Incidentally,
the tax office is always open for your inspection. The assessors
are there to help.
Mr. Mazzarese: Oh, they were. The only thing was I work and
on vacation now which is why I could dothis.
CHAIRMAN: Thank you for coming in and we will notify you by
mail.
Mr. Mazzarese: Thank you for your time.
#2
Philip Maucotel
Duck Pond Road
Cutchogue, NY 11935
SCTM # 1000-
CHAIRMAN: --Do you solemnly swear that the information you give
herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best
of your ability?
Mr. Maucotel: I do.
CHAIRMAN: Okay, you have an application.
Mr. Maucotel: Yes, I filled it out to the best of my ability.
I some what limited in this area.
CHAIRMAN: That is fine. Ernie would you like to look at that
or Sam.
Mr. Weinheimer: How do you spell your name?
Mr. Maucotel: M-A-U-C-O-T-E-L.
CHAIRMAN: You have that.
Mr. Weinheimer: You have to indicate how much you want the
assessed valuation reduced to.
Mr. Maucotel: The building was assessed as a dwelling and
it isn' t complete yet, not livable, and that is why I am here today.
CHAIRMAN: Excuse me one minute, we can not arbitrarily give
you a reduction. You have to state how much of a reduction
you would like to have. Once you state how much you want,
we can then make a decision on how much we are going to give
you. But, we just can' t pull a figure, maybe you only want
$200 or $300, whatever it happens to be. I am sure, Sam, you
can help a little bit can' t you. Or, the assessor can.
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Mr. Maucotel: First, the land is assessed much higher.
CHAIRMAN: But, we would like to know how much you want it
reduced to.
Mr. Maucotel: The reason it is difficult for me to answer,
and I explained that to the assessor is that I don' t know how
you arrive at these things. All I am saying is when it was
assessed, it was assessed by mistake already I was explained
as a dwelling. When only a portion of it was a dwelling. Second,
the place is by far not finished yet, it is still a barn, at
least at the time it was assessed it still is a barn. It was
a barn a year ago and assessed at 2100 dollars. So those are
several reasons I am here.
CHAIRMAN: Where is that located?
Mr. Manarel: There is no address here except a post office
box.
Mr. Maucotel: It is on Duck Pond Road.
Mr. Manarel: Well, the important thing is that before you
can do anything it is State Law and we are—governed by what
the State Law says. They tell us that we can not take an
application unless the applicant puts down what he wants
it reduced to.
Mr. Maucotel: Well, I ' ll put it down.
CHAIRMAN: You have looked up some comparables, haven' t you.
Mr. Maucotel: Yes, on the land and on the housing, and I find
on that basis that it is completely out of wack.
Mr. Weinheimer: Alright, well on that basis figure out what
you want to have.
Mr. Maucotel: Well, I was assessed. . . .
Mr. Weinheimer: Well, put down whatever you say.
CHAIRMAN: Now, the assessor should give you any information
you want.
Mr. Maucotel: Now, the reasons I have, it is not yet anything
but a barn and you assessed looking at it, as I understand
as a dwelling when it is not a dwelling except for 1/7 of it
in terms of . . . Now, that makes a difference in terms of the
assessment. And, that can be verified by looking at the Building
Department. Also, I was surprised to see that the difference
by comparison by my land is 1600 when my immediate neighbors
are assessed, we have the same amount of land. .. .
CHAIRMAN: What is the name of your immediate neighbor?
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Mr. Maucotel: Mr. Walters. "
CHAIRMAN: Mr. Walters, Okay, if you wait one minute I will
have Mr. Walters card brought in and we will compare the land
part.
Mr. Manarel: When did you buy this property?
Mr. Maucotel: Last year.
Mr. Manarel: Okay, I think this is important for ustoo, please
fill in what you paid for it. We are to help you and if you
don' t give us enough information, we can't be much help.
CHAIRMAN: Do you want to see if you can get Walters on
Duck Pond Road.
(Secretary called assessors in order to get above mentioned
property card)
Mr. Weinheimer: Is there a main building and then an extension?
CHIARMAN: We are getting that now.
Mr. Maucotel: It consists of three buildings which are used
as barns, and one has floor area which is the only area whch
will be used to live in. That is. . . to the west of it is the
original barn and main building and then there is a sort of
extension which was, I guess used as a garage. Now, in terms
of tallking to the assessor, he explained to me that he looked
it as a complete dwelling when in fact only about 2/7 of it
is a dwelling and the rest of it will stay for whaterver you
want to call it, storage area. So, he didn' t realize it,
he told me that this morning.
CHAIRMAN: What assessor did you talk to? Fred Gordon.
Mr. Maucotel: I don' t know, the one who brought me in earlier
this morning.
CHAIRMAN: That is Fred. Excuse me a minute, let me see if
I can hussle this situation up. ( Went down to the assessor' s
office )
Mr.Weinheimer: They didn' t come into this, did they?
Mr. Maucotel: I really don' t believe so, I don' t know.
You can see from looking from the outside the fact that it
is not finished.
Mr. Weinheimer: I mean the interior.
Mr. Maucotel: That is right. We replaced the door with glass.
So it is quite clear. But, he told me that he did not realize
it.
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Mr. Weinheimer: Did he tell you that he did not realize, after
they made that final assessment.
Mr. Maucotel: No, I just told him this morning, he did not
know.
Mr. Manarel: Well, if they want to handle it through their
corrections, I don' t. . . .
Mr. Weinheimer: They can go down and make arrangements for
you .to go on the inside and make a re-determination.
Mr. Maucotel: And, then you can see the entire area.
Mr. Weinheimer: Instad of us making a decision we can have
it between him and the assessor.
Mr. Manarel: And, they have to our meeting in November to
correct it, or till December 1, so they have plenty of time.
(The Chairman came back into the meeting room)
CHAIRMAN: Freddie Gordon will be down in a minute. I got Hours
and Walters, there is two of them.
Mr. Manarel: I think the big question here, Sam, has to do
with the fact that the place is not completed inside.
CHAIRMAN: I have asked Freddie to come, he is with some people
right now, it will only be a minute or two more. So, we can
get that question settled.
Mr. Maucotel: The other discrepancy is the land.
CHAIRMAN: What is the comparision onthe land? The size of
the plots involved.
Mrs. Bolger: On these two, . 919 versus . 948.
CHAIRMAN: What about Mr. Maucotel' s.
Mr. Manarel: Well, it' s on the card anyhow. The greater one
is assessed less, the greater one of the two. It is assessed
at 100 dollars less. What is the land assessed at?
Mr. Weinheimer: 1600 for 9/10 ' s of an acre. That is what it
was before the improvements.
Mr. Maucotel: Basically the same amount of land.
Mr. Weinheimer: Well, no, you are 9/10 ' s of an acre 9300 and
and 94-8 is assessed at 1100.
CHAIRMAN: Five hundred dollars less.
Mr. Manarel: And, this other one is 91-9 . 919 and he is assessed
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Mr. Manarel: at 1200 which is 100 more for less acreage.
CHAIRMAN: Well, Freddie will be in in a minute and you can
ask you any question you would like, Sam.
Mr. Manarel: Would you like to look at these?
Mr. Maucotel: When the place was looked at it was still a
barn. So, I don't understand it either.
Mr. Weinheimber: These other two are assessed at much less
for just approximately the same acreage.
Mr. Maucotel: Same quality, no difference of location.
Mr. Weinheimer: Are they adjacent?
Mr. Maucotel: Yes.
Mr. Radford: The assessment date here is 1977 and th value
of land has changed considerably.
Mr. Weinhe-imer: This was in 1974. ---
(Fred Gordon, Chairman of the Assessors, came into the meeting
room )
CHAIRMAN: Fred, I am sure that your a slightly familiar with the
situation we have here.
Mr. Gordon: I spoke to the gentlemen earlier.
CHAIRMAN: I will let Sam, since he has all the cards down
there, I will let him handle it.
Mr. Manarel: Same acres 1200, greater acres than this, 1200
er 1100.
Mr. Gordon: Okay, let me first start off. If we went up Duck
Pond Road to the North of this gentlemen here you will find
that there is a new subdivision in and I am sure you will find
that all those lots up there are comparable to this gentlemen
here. Unfortuantely, I can' t answer for the other two, evidentally
they have not been reviewed since 1974 and the other one is
1977. Once again, I will say that if you go up the road the
other way you will find that all those acres up there are
comparable.
CHAIRMAN: Okay, now what about the dwelling itself.
Mr. Gordon: Okay, I tried to explain how we assess on square
footage and we came up with a figure from which we took off
5700 for completion.
CHAIRMAN: For completion, however, he claims that according
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CHAIRMAN: shows that there is going to be alot unfinished
area. It is a barn now and it is going to remain the same usage
as before, storage, or whatever.
Mr. Gordon: Correct, I spoke to him in reference to that,
that some of these rates would change. In other words, when
we reviewed this again these areas would change and the rates
would change, changing the total. I tried to explain this,
in fact I was raising 2500 I don' t believe would change at
this point by me changing these rates.
Mr. Manarel: Fred, may I ask a question?
Mr. Gordon: Sure.
Mr. Manarel: Could you take the time to review his situation
by going over the place and by seeing what is finished and
what is not finished and come up with a correction by November?
Would'nt that be a preferable way of doing it?
Mr. Gordon: Yes, we can come back in review. Sure.
Mr. Manarel: I think that would handle it better, then see
if the place is finished and come up with--a . . . .
CHAIRMAN: Are we finished with Freddie for questioning?
Mr. Gordon: November is the correction for the final role.
Mr. Manarel: November.
CHAIRMAN: We would want that by August 4, is that pushing
you to hard by August 4?
Mr. Gordon: No.
CHAIRMAN: Well, suppose we suggest that Freddie goes over
the situation again and returns to us by August 4 and we can
add that to our other information that we have at that time.
Okay, is that satisfactory, Fred?
Mr. Gordon: Sure.
CHAIRMAN: Okay, now that is all we need Fredie for. Now,
I have a couple of questions, myself.
Mr. Gordon: Okay, thank you. ( Mr. Gordon left the room)
CHAIRMAN: Now, we do not make any decisions today, anyhow,
we take all the information and look it over and make sure
that it is correct and on August 4 we get together again
we have a decision making session and we notify you by mail
of the decision at that time. I do want to -say that it does
not matter what the new subdivision is that he is assessed
near you according to the law, you have a right to grieve on
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CHAIRMAN: an existing situations which you have done and brought
in and showed us on these cards. That is a fact we are told
to go by. The fact that they have assessed the new subdivsion
which is nearby you. . . I guess.
Mr. Maucotel: adjacent.
CHAIRMAN: adjacent at a higher rate has no bearing on the facts.
So long as it is unequal, it is unequal.
Mr. Maucotel: I did not check because there is no dwelling
on the subdivision.
CHAIRMAN: Well, that is alright, you've done enough to present
your case, so on that date, we will let you know what your
decision is going to be. And, we will notify you by mail. Anybody
else have any questions, or answer, or anything else you would
like to say.
Mr. Maucotel: One question which is not clear in my mind,
when they look at the barn, it was just a barn at that point,
at that point, we had siding redone and so-on but no real change
in. . . no change in layout as a matter of fact.
CHAIRMAN: But, there was some improvement to the exterior
of the barn?
Mr. Maucotel: Yes. . .
CHAIRMAN: Other than painting.
Mr. Maucotel: There was nothing done, the siding was re-done. . .
CHAIRMAN: Do you mean replaced, completely.
Mr.Maucotel: Yes, not quite, there was one portion that was
not finished. That was the only substantial change at that
point, in May. Now, since then, one area was sheetrocked,
but that is why I could not understand the change, because
in fact it was just the same barn re-planked.
CHAIRMAN: Has it got heat in it?
Mr. Maucotel: At that time there was no heat. A chimney was
put up, but that is it. Since then, I have had an electrician
put in a few areas for electric heat but that you could not
even see. So, I was really somewhat puzzled. . . .
CHAIRMAN: Well, of course, you know, this assessment is not. . .
is for your coming tax bill.
Mr. Maucotel: Well, that was not clear. When I looked at it
it was for the current year, 1986 tax, but it is the 1987,
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Mr. Maucotel: December 1, 1986 to November 1987.
CHAIRMAN: So, any corrections that have to be made, you would
not have any loss because you have not paid this bill yet,
you have not received this bill yet, as a matter of fact.
Is that form signed?
Mr. Weinheimer: Yes.
CHAIRMAN: I want to thank you very much for coming in.
Mr. Maucotel: Thank you very much.
The Chairman read into the minutes the following grievances
which had been received through the mail:
#3 New York Telephone
#4 New York Telephone
#5 New York Telephone
#6 Alan Cardinale
#7 Marlake Associates
#8 Marlake Associates
#9 Southland Corp.
#10 Hodor/Staller and Kasper
#11 Vantage Petroleum Corp.
#12 Johns Enterprises
#13 Benjamin Kasper
#14 Pond Enterprises, Inc.
#15 Pond Enterprises, Inc, d/b/a Beachcomber
#16 Southold Ventures, Inc.
#17 Dorothy Snyder
#18 Marion Associates, Staller Associates, Bldg. 88
#19 King Kullen, Grocery Comp. Inc. #3
#20 S & E Realty; Cutchogue Shopping Center (Owners of property
which #19 King Kullen is grieving on.
#21 First Nationwide Savings and Loan Association
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#22 New York Telephone
#23 L & R Vineyards Assoc.
#24 L & R Vineyards Assoc.
#25 Donald King
#26 Stanley and D'Ann Wernik
28 ,Colonial. Drive
Huntington, NY
Property located at Bousseau Avenue, Southold
SCTM # 1000-
CHAIRMAN: Do you solemnly swear that the information you give
herin will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of
your ability?
Mr. Wernik: I do.
Mr. Manarel: Did a card come down with that Sam?
CHAIRMAN: Yes, I am going to give you the card, Sam. In stead
of duplicating it on the back, they ran two sheets. There
you go. That will be number 26.
Mr. Weinheimer: What is the name?
CHAIRMAN; Sam will read it out to you.
Mr. Manarel: Stanley and D'Ann Wernick, W-e-r-n-i-c-k. D'Ann
is spelled D with an appostrophe a-n-n.
CHAIRMAN: Do you want to read some of that.
Mr. Manarel: Are you a representative?
Mr. Wernik: No. I am Mr Wernick.
Mr. Manarel: Please sigh this here. If you had an attorney
you would sign this other line.
CHAIRMAN: Do you want to read that out, Bill?
Mr. Weinheimer: Stanley and D' ann Wernick, 28 Colonial Drive,
Huntington, NY 11743. Description of the property is on
Bousseau Avenue, residence. Land is assessed at 600 for a
total of 4500. And, they want it reduced to 3600 and the reason
is improper calculation of transition assessment.
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Mr. Wernick: That is the only thing that I could find that
I thought applied.
CHAIRMAN: Okay, why don' t you tell us a little bit about it.
Mr. Wernick: Okay, well, we had the assessment , we just bought
the house last year. We received the assessment recently and
I happened to be away on a trip and my wife had it and we just
called about it last week. And, the information that we got
was that based upon the sale, the assessment department takes
a look at the new survey of the house and the checks it against
the assessment and the assessor said that there was a deck
and a shed that was not on the original assessment for one
thing and he also thought that the assessment rate that had
been used, and I don' t understand what that is, he felt was
an incorrect rate and I asked him what the rate was and he
did not have a record of what the old rate was and I said that the
deck and the shed can' t increase valueof the property by 25%.
And, that is why I am here. And, I don't understand the basis
of the assessment, an assessment that has stood for many years.
Over the course of the life of the house, there was very little
done to the original house other than the -cleck and the shed
and it brought an increase of 25% in the assessed valuation.
CHAIRMAN: How old is the house?
Mr. Wernick: The house was built in 1950.
CHAIRMAN: Alright, now were is that area again?
Bouisseau? Alright, I guess that would be Harris. Diane,
do you want to call down and have the assessor come down?
Mr. Wernick: We bought the house as it is.
CHAIRMAN: Okay. What kind of a shed is it? Is it one of those
you buy ready made.
Mrs. Wernick: Yes, metal.
CHAIRMAN: It is one of those ready made sheds that you -just
bought and put in the back yard.
Mrs. Wernick: Yes.
CHAIRMAN: I don' t mean that you bought, but it was a manufactured
shed.
Mrs. Wernick: A metal, aluminum shed.
Mr. Wernick: When it was bought, it might have been bought
at Sears for $800, I don' t know. And, it has a- deck 'and -I.
don' t know when he put the deck on.
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CHAIRMAN: Fred, have those people come in and sit down, number
1 and number 2 are you Bousseau Avenue?
Mr. Gordon: No, I ' ll get Charlie.
CHAIRMAN: Ask him to come down. Those people can come in
and listen. Come in and make yourself at home. Are there any
houses imediately to your left or right, that . . . .
Mr. Wernick:On that side of the street there are houses on
either side.
CHAIRMAN: Comparatively speaking, equivelant to yours in
size.
Mrs. Wernick: Yes, the one just to the South of us, I would
say comparative.
CHAIRMAN: Do you know who owns that house, to the South of
you. Would that by Hanes, Al Hanes, by any chance.
Mrs. Wernick: I know that it is a yellow house.
CHAIRMAN: A little yellow house. One story frame.
Mrs. Wernick: This is a one bath, two bedroom.
CHAIRMAN: There is a picture of it. Now, there is a standard
rate, you know that they use for assessment by the square footage.
(Charles Watts, assessor came into the meeting room)
CHAIRMAN: Mr Watts, are you familiar with Mr. Wernick and
Mrs. Wernick?
Mr. Watts: Yes.
CHAIRMAN: Could you tell me how you assess an accessory building,
like an aluminim shed that they buy at Agway or something?
Mr. Watts: Depending on the size. This happens to be a $25
one. They can be smaller than $25, they can be $50 and they
can go to $100.
CHAIRMAN: And, how about deck, howmuch is the area?
Mr. Watts : . 25 a square foot.
CHAIRMAN: Twenty five cents a square foot and the deck depending
on its size can be either $25 or $50.
Mr. Watts: Or even a hundred.
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CHAIRMAN: Or even $100 for any large one, like- you could get
a car in. Okay. These people bought this house, let me see _
the date.
Mr. Watts: 7/31/85
CHAIRMAN: And, evidentally,you reassessed it.
Mr. Watt: We changed the rate, the rate was wrong.
CHAIRMAN: Okay, now your top floor is finished? Is it a finished
area?
Mrs. Wernick: It is a big attic that has been painted and carpeted.
CHAIRMAN: Is there a bathroom up there?
Mrs. Wernick: No.
Mr. Watt: That is a low assessment for a story and a half.
CHAIRMAN: A story and a half rate you are using is 375, and
the extension is $3 .00and the decking is . 25, right.
Mr. Watts: Yes.
CHAIRMAN: And, the garage is $1. 00- and the metal shed is
$25. 00. Okay. Do you happen to have Hanes ' card, they would
be the .one south.
Mr. Watts: Of this one?
CHAIRMAN: Of this one. Yes. Would you like to look at this,
Carol you saw it.
Mrs. Bolger: Yes, I did.
CHAIRMAN: Now the assessment rate they use is I think 1967
isn' t it Sam.
Mr. Manarel: Yes, construction costs.
CHAIRMAN: Construction costs in 1967 is what the assessors
go by now, generall y speaking. And, I don' t know when the
first assessment was made, is it prior to 1967 Bill?
This first assessment prior to this assessment?
Mr. Weinheimer: The original was in 1950.
CHAIRMAN: And, then subsequently.
Mr. Weinheimer: 1961, 1966 and 1986.
CHAIRMAN: So, ' 66 was the last, so when he did it, he brought
it up the current assessment rate that everybody is supposed
to be assessed at from ' 67 on. Do you understand what I am
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CHAIRMAN: pointing out?
Mr. Wernick: Yes.
CHAIRMAN: Now, we will compare what the neighbor is paying
more or less than you are. If he is paying the same, that
sound pretty fair if he is paying less that doesn't sound so
fair. So, we will see what the situation is in a minute.
As to the square footage all you have to do is multiply the
rate by the square footage, etc. etc. Land value, how much
land do they have, Bill?
Mr. Weinheimer: . 350 acres.
CHAIRMAN: So, about a third of an acre you have. So, there
is a pretty standard rate for an acre, for a half acre and
for a third acre. Now, this house is assessed at a 350 rate.
Mr. Watts: No basement, no fireplace.
CHAIRMAN: No basement at all, that has a basement.
Mrs. Wernick: yes.
CHAIRMAN: And a fireplace?
Mr. Wernick: No.
CHAIRMAN: No fireplace, okay. So their rate should be 325?
Mr. Watts: Story and a half too.
CHAIRMAN: Okay, story and a half. That is this thing here,
this breezeway. 7 x 13 that sounds reasonable and the garage
is assessed at . 75.
Mr. Watts: This one wasn' t done in a good many years. 166,
twenty years.
CHAIRMAN: There previous one was ' 66 too till now.
Mr. Weinheimer: What is the garage assessed at on that one.
CHAIRMAN Seventy-five cents.
Mr. Weinheimer: This one is assessed at one dollar.
CHAIRMAN: Okay, size of plot is less than a third of an acre.
square footage of the house is616. What is the square footage
of that house, Sam?
Mrs. Bolger: 320, Sam.
CHAIRMAN: Mr. Wernick, we don not make any decisions on the
spot today. On August 4 we meet again and it is a closed meeting
just for Board members. We go over all the information, which
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CHAIRMAN: our secretary takes down and the Boardmembers notes
which they make, etc, all the information and evaluate it at
that time and make a decision and we notify you by mail. And,
if you have any other questions that you would like to ask
or statements of fact you would like to give, we would be
happy to hear thm and we thank you very much for coming.
So, you will hear from us on August 4 or a day or two later.
As soon as the gal is able to type everyhing else.
Mr. Wernick: I would just like to say that it came out to
exactly a 25% increase.
CHAIRMAN: Believe me when I tell you that we take everything
into consideration.
Mr. Wernick: Thank you, I appreciate it.
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#27
Richard S. Daley
Lea S. Daley --
1900 Broadwaters Cove
Cutchogue, NY 11935
CHAIRMAN: Do you solemnly swear that the information you give
herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best
of your ability.
Mrs. Daley: I do.
CHAIRMN: Okay, do you have your complaint? Oh, I have it
right here. Bill, would you like to read the complaint.
Mr. Weinheimer: Richard and Lea S. Daley, the property is at
1900 Broadwaters Cove, Cutchogue. Description of property,
winterized bungalow.
Mrs. Daley: No, not winterized.
Mr. Weinheimer: Oh, unwinterized.
CHAIRMAN: Do you have a basement in that house?
Mrs. Daley: No.
CHAIRMAN: What is the basis of the complaint?
Mr. Weinheimer: You have to tell us how much you want the
assessed valuation reduced to.
Mrs. Daley: Twenty percent of the 1985.
CHAIRMAN: You have to give us a figure. Write it in.
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CHAIRMAN: What is your assessed valuation now?
Mrs. Daley: 1985 was 3400.
CHAIRMAN: And, you want it reduced. . .
Mrs. Daley: And, it went up 700
Mr. Weinheimer: What is the latest assessed valuation.
Mrs. Daley: 4100.
CHAIRMAN: And, you want it reduced back to the 3000 is that
it. Well, you put down the amount you want it reduced to.
Mr. Weinheimer: On the back here, this signature here would
be someone who you authorized to do it. So, cross this out
and put your name and date up here.
Mrs. Daley: It looked like it was the opposite to me.
Mr. Manarel: Are you a representative or are you the owner.
Mr. Weinheimer: I, so and so, as complainent. . .
Mrs. Daley: You want me to sign that, okay.
CHAIRMAN: We are trying to keep you legal so that they can' t
throw you out on a technicality.
Mr. Weinheimer: The total assessment is 4100 and you want
it reduced to 3720.
CHAIRMAN: Now, she wants it reduced on the fact, what is the
fact that you want it reduced by.
Mrs. Daley: Well, the increase as I said was 23. 6 percent
which the value of the house I feel has not increased in value,
but in fact has decreased.
CHAIRMAN: Okay, now in that area where you live. Are there
similiar buildings?
Mrs. Daley: Not that I know of.
CHAIRMAN: This is an exception to the rule.
Mrs. Daley: Yes. I think it is, it is not the standard house.
It was built 40 years ago by my father-in-law, he built it
himself mostely although he is not a professional builder.
In terms of construction there are things that have gone wrong
with it. The plumbing and so forth is not in the shape it
should be.
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Mrs. Daley: I believe, yes, because instead of straight it
went on a diagonal and a right angle.
CHAIRMAN: You wouldn' t reassess the land that is waterfront
to more waterfront because of an erosion or the opposite, would
you?
Mr. Gordon: No, we reassessed the land based on a deed that
we found 8 additional feet on the water which increased the
land value.
CHAIRMAN: In other words the deed had a mistake in it, is
that right.
Mr. Gordon: Correct, the deed was originally listed as 100
feet on the water, the deed which we received showed 108, and
that was not based on erosion.
CHAIRMAN: The previous deed showed 100 and the new deed you
go showed 108.
Mr. Gordon: I can' t speak for the previous deed, the deed that
we now have shows 108 feet. We previously had it assessed for
100 feet.
Mr. Manarel: Has there been a survey on the land?
Mrs. Daley: In 1961 or 1965 I think it says on the deed and
that is the survey that states 108. But, as I said that is
not my strongest line of argument. But it is a fact that erosion
can increase your water front and reduce your acreage.
CHAIRMAN: Tell me about it. I lost 200 ' of beach and they
did not reduce my taxes. I was mad too.
Mrs. Daley: You lost beach but then you gained acreage.
CHAIRMAN: No. I didn' t, I lost 200 ' .
Mrs. Daley: You didn' t.
CHAIRMAN: We make no decision today. WE hear all the facts
and figures and on August 4 we sit down and make the deicision
and just as soon as our secretary is able to type up the decisions
and get them into the mail you should receive it. It should
be not too long after August 4.
Mrs. Daley: We just received the assessment in the middle
of last week. It gave use little time to prepare.
CHAIRMAN: I know, it is really unfortunate. There are two
things about this whole process that I don' t particularly like
and one is they give you very time to do any research or anything
else that is one thing and the other thing is it is very unpublized
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CHAIRMAN: Now, how about the land value? Did they increase
the land value?
Mrs. Daley: They increased the land value by $200, yes.
CHAIRMAN: How big a plot does she have?
Mr. Manarel: . 275
CHAIRMAN; A little over a half acre. And, that is in Cutchogue, Sam.
Mr. Manarel: Broadwater Cove.
Mrs. Daley: Nassau Point, the beginning of the point.
CHAIRMAN: I know where it is.
Mr. Manarel: Broadwater' s Cove, you go over the causeway.
CHAIRMAN: I know where it is. Would any of the Board members
like to question the assessor on this? Any questions you
have?
Mrs. Daley: Would you like me to give you some more specifics.
CHAIRMAN: Just, a minute I want to know if there are any questions
up to this point in their minds.
Mr. Manarel: I don' t have any questions.
CHAIRMAN; Okay, then you can continue now.
Mrs. Daley: Well, from what I understand, the increase is
based on two things on is the increase on the land. Now, what
they claim is that there was a transfer of property, there
was a transfer, although the property was not sold it was given
to us by my father-in-law.
CHAIRMAN: Fair market value?
Mrs. Daley: It was a gift, really it was between him and my
husband, I am a third party here, but it was a gift. Now, what
the assessors told me was that the, the land they go by acreage
on the waterfront and that in the deed they found that there
was a descrepancy between the old waterfront line and the
dimension basically and the new one that is 108 as opposed
to 100 and that is what the increase is based on. I spoke to
my husband and he said that one of the reasons it incresed
is the shape of the lot has changed somewhat because of the
erosion. So that the waterfront instead of being perpendicular
to the side which would then be shorter it increased becaused
of erosion and it is now on a diagonal.
CHAIRMAN: Excuse me, who has Nassau Point, is that Freddie.
I would like to talk to Freddie when he gets a chance.
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Mrs. Daley That is basically the issue on the land. Which -
is not really the issue which I am constesting that strongly.
It is a point that I think should be made, but I think. . . But
the house on the other hand, in terms of construction and everything
does not compare at all with the other houses in the neighborhood.
It was built a long time ago on a very low budget and it is
showing alot of wear and tear, further more it was constructed
by my father-in-law whose primary residence is in South Carolina.
He is a very elderly gentlemen who has not done any work on
it over the past 10 years so I itemized here the elements that
first of all it was built on a low budget, unfinished concrete
masonry, poured on grade concrete, and exposed wooden roofs,
not insulated and has no heating system. Has no basement and
existing mechanical plant is very , substantially deteriorated
and in need of replacing.
CHAIRMAN: Excuse me, what was that last statement?
Mrs. Daley: The mechancal plant is deteriorated substantially
and needs to be replaced. The plumbing and electricity and
so on. I don' t want to read what I wrote, that is basically
what I have to say. No improvements have been made on the
house since it was constructed 40 years ago and it is in no
way comparable to the neighboring properties which have finished
interiors and have been modernized and fully winterized. And,
in most of the walls are exposed concrete masonry. Over the
past few years it has not been maintained and has gone into
a serious state of disrepair. The paint on the windows is peeling,
it has not been painted in approximately 10 years, perhaps
8, I am not sure. The wood on the windows is rotting and eventually
will have to be replaced. The exterior wall is cracking and
there are interior leaks. Therefore, for these reasons, I
feel that the bungalow has not increased in value and in fact
it has decreased in value and instead of a 20% increase and
20% decrease.
CHAIRMAN: Do you use it to live in?
Mrs. Daley: No.
CHAIRMAN: Not at all.
Mrs. Daley: You can' t possibly, because there is not heat.
CHAIRMAN: I mean you don' t even come out for a weekend.
Mrs. Daley: Well, we just came out and we are taking stock
of the situation. The transfer, when we used to visit my
father-in-law and yes, we were there in the summer but in the
daytime on weekends. But he is 84 years old and he was living
ther alone and just did not take care of the house.
CHAIRMAN: Yes, Fred, my question to you is we have a point
of erosion problem that has created more waterfront, you are
saying.
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CHAIRMAN: To the public that a Board such as our exists and
we are actually here to help the tax payers. That is our function
we are not elected, we are appointed for a long enough term
so that we don' t have to be afraid of knocking out these wonderful
jobs with high pay and I ' kidding, but unfortunately that
is the way the thing wor s. But, believe me, we will consider
your case.
Mrs. Daley: Really this house is a unique case in the neighborhood.
CHAIRMAN: Do you intend to fix it up?
Mrs. Daley: We intend to paint it, but that is the point that
I was making. The fixing up that we will do will bring it
back to its original state, we are not going to put on any
additons.
CHAIRMAN: if you were in the market to buy. . . .
Mrs. Daley: I am not in the market to buy this was given to
us, I did not buy it.
CHAIRMAN: _ But, if you were in the market to buy would you
consider a place in the condition that itis?
Mrs. Daley: Well, my husband is an architect, so. . .
CHAIRMAN: I guess you would. Okay, well thank you very much
for coming in.
Mrs. Daley: Is twenty percent a standard, I mean isn't that
an excessive increase? I was noticing the booklet that you
gave out and that in Nassau County, I thought it applied to
this county, that ther ks a 6% limit from one year to the next.
You can' t exceed 6%.
Mr. Manarel: Nassau County assesse in County, here they assess
in Townships.
Mrs. Daley: But, still isn' t that excessive, if they limit
it to 6%.
Mr. Manarel: Well, it is hard to tell, it is a question of
what is value. It depends on wether you are selling or buying.
What the price is and that is the problem all the way along.
There is no perfect solution for this. You know, I had to
pay a $5 fee to put my lawnmower in my garage in my shed that
I built. Occupancy they said for my lawnmower.
CHAIRMAN: I assure you that we will examine all the facts.
Mrs. Daley: Okay, thank you very much.
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#28
Peter Bouziotis
Crysellen Bouziotis
Reeve Avenue
Mattituck, NY 11952
Tax Map No. 1000-
CHAIRMAN: Do you solemnly swear that the application you give
herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best
of your ability?
Mrs. Bouziotis: Yes, I do.
Mr Reimer: My name is Doug Reimer.
CHAIRMAN: Who has signed that application, Carol?
Mrs. Bolger: Crysellen Bouziotis.
CHAIRMAN: I just want to make sure that I administered the
oath to the right party.
Mrs. Bolger: Right, right.
CHAIRMAN: Sam, would you like to proceed with that one.
Mr. Manarel: Well, the request here is they believe that it
should be reduced to 6500 dollars and I don' t know what it
is assessed at now, I don't have the card.
Mr. Weinheimer: Do you have a copy of• the card?
Mr. Manarel: There should be a front and back side of the
card.
Mr. Reimer: Yes, here is a copy of the card.
CHAIRMAN: Didn' t they make a front and back.
Mrs. Bouziotis: No.
CHAIRMAN: Well, we have to have it.
Mr. Manarel: I ' ll go back and get it.
CHAIRMAN: Okay, take that one with you, Sam.
Mr. Manarel went to the assessors to obtain the property card.
Mr. Manarel returned.
CHAIRMAN: Attached sheet, do you have an attached sheet?
Mrs. Bouziotis: Yes, here.
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CHAIRMAN: Okay, that is what I was looking for. Okay, Sam
do you want to, or whoever turn it is to do the honors. In
the mean time, I guess we want to get some cards of people
in the area. Did you pick out any specific properties that
you compared yours with, do you know the names of those people?
Mrs. Bouziotis: Well, I think I have the numbers down.
CHAIRMAN: Okay, numbers are good. Bill, while you are looking
at that, why don' t you give Diane the numbers and let her get
the cards that the numbers refer to.
Mr. Weinheimer: Are they on here.
Mr. Reimer: I ' ll give you the numbers.
MR. Manarel: Excuse me, has he been sworn in.
CHAIRMAN: No, she is the complainent.
Mr. Manarel: Well that is alright, the application does not
give anyone else representation.
Mrs. Bolger: She should read it then.
Mr.Manarel: That is right.
Mrs. Bolger: Crysellen, you read it.
Mrs. Bousiztis: Okay, the first one would be 100-3-8.
Mr. Weinheimer: 100-3-8?
Mrs. Bouziotis: Yes. One house. Should I give you the . . . .
CHAIRMAN: No, just give us the numbers of the properties.
Mrs. Bousiztis: Okay, here is another one. 121-1-4. 1, 95-1-4,
74-3-18, 15, and 74-3-16, 88-3-23. 1, 99-3-13.
CHAIRMAN: Scott, who is the assessor in this area. ?
Mr. Harris: What area?
CHAIRMAN: That is Mattituck. Are you going down to the office,
would you getus those cards.
Mr. Harris: Sure, could I have a list of them Diane.
Mr. Reimer: In order for me to talk, I have to be sworn?
Mr. Manarel: No, she has got to designate you as a representative
which she hasn' t done.
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Mrs. Bouziotis: Can I designate him, because I- think I 'm going
to need some help.
CHAIRMAN: Sure you can, okay, fine, no problem. Show her were
she can sign that application.
Mr. Weinheimer: Well, she has already signed it.
CHAIRMAN: Well, she wants to designate Mr. Reimer as a representative
as well.
Mr. Weinheimer: I, so and so, designate and you have already
signed it.
Mrs. Bouziotis: Okay.
CHAIRMAN: And while she is doing that, do you solemnly swear
that the information which you give herein will be given accurately
and truthfully to the best of you ability.
Mr. Reimer: Yes.
CHAIRMAN: Okay, now you are legal.
Mr. Reimer: Basically, the taxes on the house are 4400 dollars
a year. It is on a half an acre, it is no where near the water.
Looking through the tax records, we can not find anything
relatively close to itin the area, anywhere near it at all.
Even going to houses located directly on the Sound. They are
assessed at a lower rate which doesn' t seem to make any sense.
When we initially asked the assessors about this, they stated
that the assessment is basically used or is determined by the
cost to rebuild the house.
CHAIRMAN: Not true, not true. Let me see that application
again.
Mrs. Bouziotis: Is it based on fair market value?
CHAIRMAN: The assessors are assessing on 1967 construction
rate.
Mrs. Bouziotis: Right. Does market value come into play there
at all?
CHAIRMAN: NO, the things they look at are square footage of
the house, the size of the plot, water view, water, etc, things
of that nature, okay. And that is how they should assess the
property.
Mrs. Bouziotis: So in other words, I am correct in assuming
that an old house or a new house would be based on the same
rate. In other words, there would be, if it- is-not market
value.
CHAIRMAN: Well, with one other thing, if a house is really
old a depreciation factor comes into beina. I am talkina about
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CHAIRMAN: a house that has a lot of age.
Mrs. Bouziotis: Like a hundred years old.
Mr. Reimer: Again, as we were looking through we found homes
that lets say were older but substantially rebuilt and were
assessed at a quarter of the rate, which is somewhat, there
is a lot of disparity, let' s put it that way. Essentially
saying that there, if there is a depreciate rate between a
twenty year old house and a one hundred year old house, there
should be some depretiation rate between a twenty year old
house and a brand new house, it doesn' t exist.
CHAIRMAN: No.
Mr. Reimer: Okay, but almost logically speaking you have to
say when does it suddenly get to that point. And, we couldn' t
find anything along those lines.Generally speaking the assessment
and the taxes on the house are completely out of line with
area and for the house.
CHAIRMAN: How did you arrive at the complete value of your
property? At 180, 000 dollars.
Mrs. Bouziotis: That was the purchase price.
CHAIRMAN: Oh, that was the purchase price, okay, that is a
good way to arrive at it. It is not saying that it is the
value, but it' s. . . .
Mrs. Bouziotis: It has not even been a year.
Mr. Manarel: The card says $350, 000.
Mrs. Bouziotis: 350, 000 what.
Mr. Manarel: That is what you paid for the house.
Mrs. Bouziotis: No. Where does it say that?
Mr. Manrel: Right there.
Mrs. Bouziotis: Who wrote that in there because that is not
true.
Mr. Manarel: The assessors.
Mrs. Bouziotis: That is absolutely, positively, no way.
CHAIRMAN: Well, there was a deed filed. You can' t possibliy. . .
you know, what I mean, is it could be an error on that card
but the deed definitely filed and the tax stamps paid, so it
is easy enough for us to find out what you actually paid.
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CHAIRMAN: There are stamps on it.
Mr. Reimer: Tax stamps paid were is that 236?
Mr. Weinheimer: Yes, $236.
CHAIRMAN: How much is it per thousand.
Mr. Radford: It was 110
CHAIRMAN: 110, that is what I thought.
Mr. Weinheimer: $1. 10.
Mrs. Bouziotis: Could I see that again, I never had a copy
of the back of it, I 've only had a copy of the front.
Mr. Reimer: I think if you check, you find out that you were
supposed to divdie it by four. If you divide it by four, it
will bring you to your purchase price. In this instance they
also own a separate lot which is behind them.
CHAIRMAN: _Well, that has nothing to do witch this particular. . .
you get a separate tax bill.
Mr. Reimer: Yes.
CHAIRMAN: Okay, so you are not saying anything about that,
are you, you are not talking about the empty lot.
Mrs. Bouziotis: No.
Mr Reimer: Even on the card it shows the history of it where
the lot was split.
CHAIRMAN: Where the lot was split.
Mrs. Bolger: Oh, that what this is.
Mr. Reimer: Were the 350, 000 came from I don' t know.
CHAIRMAN: Well, that is irrevalant to me anyhow because that
is not the way it should be assessed. The purchase price shouldn' t. . .
unless every house in the area has recently sold for $350, 000
and this sold for $350, 000, tht is something else, but they
are assessing on the construction of 1967 and so much for land,
tht is what we should come up with. Do you have any questions,
Sam?
Mr. Manarel: No, I don' t
CHAIRMAN: Ernie, have you seen that?
Mr. Radford: Yes, and I have no questions.
CHAIRMAN: Bill, Carol?
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Mr. Weniheimer: No questions.
Mrs Bolger: No questions.
CHAIRMAN: Could I see it one more time, please.
How is the house.
Mrs. Bouziotis: Twenty years old.
CHAIRMAN: Twenty years old. Alright, we don' t make any decisions
today.
Mr. Weinheimer; We have to wait for the cards.
CHAIRMAN: We have to wait for the cards, any way, but I am
just telling you. We gather all the facts today and on August
4 we will then make a decision and let you know by then. Now,
we will look at the cards and see if there any other questions.
Sam, do you want to go first. There are the cards, there is
the comparison.
Mr. Reimer: That is the house which is next door.
Mrs. Bolger: Now, what is the acreage on this.
Mr. Reimer: Half an acre.
Mr. Manarel: . 567.
CHAIRMAN: Yes, that is a little over a half acre.
Mr. WEinheimer: On this other card for Lutz, there is no acreage
here.
Mr Reimer: It is three acres.
Mr. Weinheimer: Okay.
CHAIRMAN: The house is on three acres.
Mr. Reimer: The house next door is.
CHAIRMAN: Oh, the house next door. And, you house is on how
many?
Mrs. Bouziotis: A half, just a little over.
CHAIRMAN: A little over a half.
Mrs. Bouziotis: There house is almost as large as ours, not
quite as large, but . . . there is more land and they are being
assessed at less than half. _
CHAIRMAN: How about the house?
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Mrs. Bouziotis: I 'm saying that it is not as large as ours, .
but it is almost as large. The same man built both houses.
Mr. Reimer: You are not comparing apples to apples, that is
a different house altogether on the picture.
Mr. Manarel: Yes, I was going to say, I can' t understand.
Mr Reimer: Well, tht is important, there is a whole. . . we' ll
get to that.
Mr. Manarel: Sam, comparing the Lutz house, the Bouziotis house
is charged for living space 450 a square foot and the Lutz
house is being charged 5. 00 a square foot.
Mrs. Bouziotis: That is because they have two full stories.
Mr. Weinheimer: Oh, they have two stories.
CHAIRMAN: Two full, story and a half, fire place, full basement.
Mr.Weinheimer: He doesn' t have a fire place, but you do and
your bing charged for that $25. You have a--garage.
The Lutz house has a 25% depreciation factor.
CHAIRMAN: Is it the same age, when was it built?
Mr. Weinheimer: Prior to 1972. And your house was built in
1967 or earlier. No, wait a minute, 169.
CHAIRMAN: Well, the other one was in ' 72 and it got a 25%
depreciation factor.
MR. Manarel: Sometime prior to 1972.
Mr. Reimer: It was next door and it is not as if it was falling
down or anything. It is a nice house.
Mr. Weinheimer: You have three baths, he has one and a half
baths.
Mr. Manarel: Only talking assessment here, we are not talking
taxes.
Mr. Reimer: I understand.
CHAIRMAN: Well, assessment directly turns into taxes.
Mr. Weinheimer: Is the house in pretty good shape?
Mr. Reimer: Yes.
Mrs. Bouziotis: It is a lovely house.
Mr. Weinheimer: And, they have a 25% depreciation factor on
an un to date house.
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CHAIRMAN: Except it might be old.
Mr. Reimer: Also, if it is based a 1967 cost of building a
house and square footage it would cost the same amount of money
to rebuild any house that burns down. Basically, I understand
that assessors are individuals and there are differences through
out the town and the taxes paid are different in the villages
through out the Town. Our basic feeling is that this house
is significantly over assessed vis a vis any other house in
the area. And, any other houses that we could find, even houses
which we know of and the information is in there that are older
homes that are substantially built and are larger and are paying
significantly, or excuse me, are assesed at a significantly
lower rate, even though they have been rebuilt four or five
years ago and currently standing there, not as if it were just
done or a brand new house. And, we just honestly feel that
the assessment on the house is incorrect, and should be re-adjusted.
CHAIRMAN: DO you have anything else you would like to say?
Mrs. Bouziotis: No.
CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much for coming and as I told you
we will make our decision on August 4, decision day and let
you know by mail and will really look at all the facts and
figures.
Mrs. Bouziotis: Thank you very much.
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#29
Barbara Kujawski
Sound Avenue
Mattituck, NY 11952
CHAIRMAN: Do you solemnly swear that the information which
you give herein will be given accurately and trughfully to the
best of your ability?
Mrs. Kujawski: I do.
CHAIRMAN: You may state your case.
Mrs. Kujawski: I bought �a piece of property that was part
of a minor subdivison. I was given approval to use a road
that according to our survey when I bought the property was
on the property and that was the access to the property. I
have a guaranteed title, I also have a guaranteed survey.
Subsequently, when I went to get a 280-a which says you
have access to the piece of property, adjoining property
owners came up with conflicting surveys. And, right now
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Mrs. Kujawski: it is in the hands of the title company, Planning
Board and the building department and everybody else involved.
Right now what I have are two pieces of property that can't
be sold, that can' t be built on that can' t even be gotten to
actually until these problems are resolved. And, the change
in the assessment rate at this point is unfair since I can' t
do anything withthe property.
CHAIRMAN: They are not marketable, in other words.
Mrs. Kujawski: They are not marketable, they are not marketable
anything. Once these problems are resolved, I can understand
the increase of assessment, it only makes sense.
CHAIRMAN: How long ago did you buy the property?
Mrs. Kujawski: I bought the first piece a year ago January
and the second piece in June.
CHAIRMAN: And, when were you appraised of the problem?
Mrs. Kujawski: December.
CHAIRMAN: And, you just got the notice of re-appraisal.
Mrs. Kujawski: Right.
CHAIRMAN: Sam, what was the prior assessment on that?
Mr. Manarel: 1100.
Mr. Weinheimer: On eachof them, then they went to 2100.
Mrs. Kujawski: I am willing to pay the taxes on theland now,
but until this is resolved, I don' t think they should be raised,
and I think it is unfair.
Mr. Manarel: Who would be the assessor on this.
CHAIRMAN: Let' s see, Laurel Way, I guess that would be Fred
Gordon.
Mr. Weinheimer: There is a total of 9 acres altogether.
Mr. Manarel: Can we call him down here?
CHAIRMAN: Yes sir.
Mr. Manarel: It is on 9 acres altogether.
Mrs. Kujawski: But, it is on a private road.
Mrs. Bolger: And, you did not find out until this June.
Mrs. Kujawski: Until December.
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CHAIRMAN: This is number 29, you didn't mark this did you
Bill.
Mr. Weinheimer: No, that is number 29.
Mrs. Kujawski: Believe me, if I had known that there were -
problems before I bought the property it would have been a
different story.
Mr. Weinheimer: Is this for both parcels or one parcel?
Mrs. Kujawski: Both. And, I am suprised that Walter Gatz
has not been in here because he bought the third parcel because
he has got the same problem that I have.
Mr. Weinheimer: Sam, the evaluated 26 in April and in the
next month they went up, in a one month period they changed
it.
Mrs. Kujawski: That was the prior assessment.
Mr. Weinheimer: Yes, but have it 4/26/85 and then they raised
it on 5/23/.85. It says 1985 for both of them.
Mr. Manarel: What have you got underimprovements were it says
"APP" and underneath it it looks like chicken tracks. What
does this stand for?
Mr. Weinheimer: It looks like an R-E-V there, revised.
Mr. Manarel: It could be. Now, why would they have revised
it one month later.
Charles Watts, assessor entered the meeting room.
CHAIRMAN: Are you Laurel?
Mr. Watts: I'm every where.
CHAIRMAN: Or Hardy?
Mr. Watts: I 'm every where. I 'm all over.
CHAIRMAN: Are you familiar with the Barbara Kujawski property?
Mr. Watts: Yes.
CHAIRMAN: Have you heard Barbara' s statement stating that
the property is not usuable or marketable?
Mr. Watts: Yes that is what she tells me.
Mrs. Kujawski: Diane can swear to it, she has seen me at the
Planning Board more times than she has cared to.
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CHAIRMAN: Normally, under a situation like this, would you
reassess the property if it not usuable or not marketable.
Mr. Watts: There are other properties there too, there is
Gatz . property.
Mrs. Kujaswski: Maybe he is waiting for after work.
Mr. Watts: No, I 'd have heard from Walter by now.
Mrs. Kujawski: You know I only got a notice on one piece,
not on the other piece, maybe Walter did not get one?
CHAIRMAN: Maybe he was not reassesed.
Mr. Watts: Yes, he was reassessed.
CHAIRMAN: He was?
Mr. Watts: Well, this is a new one, a new minor subdivision.
Mr. Manarel: Charlie.
Mr. Watts:-- I can' t verify that there is no right-of-way to
it.
CHAIRMAN: Well, if there is no right-of-way there.
Mr. Watts: When you form a minor sub out of a large parcel
you have to come sum of the parts equal the whole. This is
on ly a portion then when it is revised, reviewed, it goes
to this.
CHAIRMAN: Normally, if you knew tht a piece of property was
not usable.
Mr. Watts: Land locked.
CHAIRMAN: Land locked. Would you reassess it in a different
fashion?
Mr. Watts: If we knew for sure that ther was no access for
it.
CHAIRMAN: We are talking about the present, Charles, we don' t
know what is going to happen inthe future. Ordinarily you
would.
Mr. Watts: Yes.
CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone on the Board that has any further
question of Charlie.
Mr. Manarel: Was it in the deed?
Mrs. Kujawski: There only thing in the deed is a paper 25 '
right-of-way but where do you put that richt-of-wav until
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Mrs. Kujawski: you establish the boundary of the property
line and that is what is in dispute right now. If necessary
we will have to put in another road on the paper 25' right
of way, but until the boundary lines are decided, nobody knows
where to put the road or in effect is the road already there
on my property as my survey shows.
CHAIRMAN: We asked Charlie a very pertinent question. I
asked him if he in effect knew that this land was not marketable
or usable would he have assessed it the way he did and he said
no he would not have, but he said that he expects that in the
future it will be rectified. Of course, we can not go on the
future, so I think on that argument we have heard enough from
Barbara and we will have to make our decision on Decison Day.
Does anybody else have a question on that? Any thing else
you would like to add.
Mrs. Kujawski: As I said I would be willing to pay the assessment
they gave me if I could get to my property.
CHAIRMAN: That is not in our jurisdiction giving you the right
to use the--road, you understand that.
Mrs. Kujawski: I understand that. I don' t feel that reassessing
the property at this time, when it is right now in essence useless,
is fair.
CHAIRMAN: Okay, on August 4, we will meet again and that is
th day when we make our final decisions and shortly after that
date we will notify you by mail as to our decison. Of course,
you know that no matter which we decide, if you are not satisfied
you have other means to rectify the situation.
Mrs. Kujawski: Hopefully by August 4 this will be a moot question
and everything will be resolved, but don' t hold your breath.
CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much for coming in.
#30
Daniel Ross
appearing for
Harvey Bagshaw
Mattituck, NY
CHAIRMAN: Do you solemnly swear that the information you give
herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best
Of you ability?
Mr. Ross: Yes, I do.
CHAIRMAN: Now, do you want to make a statement?
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Mr Ross: Yes, I do. Mr. Bagshaw feels that he is being overly
assessed based on his neighbors, and the value of this house _
vis a vis his neighbors houses and their respective assessments.
Mr. Manarel: Excuse me, do you have a card?
Mr. Ross: Yes, I do.
Mr. Manarel: That will help us out too, thank you.
Mr. Ross: This is basically the same as last year.
I don't know if you had the cards last year.
Mr. Manarel: Yes, we had the cards.
Mr. Ross: And, the value of his neighbors properties as the
appraisal points out is greater than his house generally because
it is on the lake, their houses are on the lake, his is not.
And, they are paying way under, they are assessed way under
what he is assessed. His assessment was increased again this
year, 1400. And, the assessment on the other properties that
the appraiser has chosen are much less than that. I will let
the cards speak for themselves on that.
CHAIRMAN: Ernie, would you like to look at this?
Mr. Radford: Yes.
Mr. Ross: I have a photocopy.
CHAIRMAN: That is alright, I have seen it. We have all the
comparative cards out Sam.
Mr. Manarel: I think it requires a little bit more indepth
study than we can give it today though because there are an
awful lot of listings under each one. That is Wickham , one
extension after another and totalling them all up. Same thing
on that one.
Mr Ross: This is the property right near the airport.
CHAIRMAN: Do you know where the lake is?
Mr. Manarel: It goes from the high school lake. What is the
name of that lake?
Mr. Ross: Maratooka.
CHAIRMAN: Maratooka Avenue.
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Mr. Ross: I would also bring to the court's:or the Board' s attention
the residential assessment ratio which is 3. 74 according to
the equalization which. . . at the equalization rate the residential
assessment ratio is based on sales report from September of
1984 to August of 1985. I think you will find that our request
is basically in line with that . It is not the equalization
rate and there is a great discrepancy according to the people
up in Albany and this Town between the two, mostely because
of the recent rise in value.
CHAIRMAN: Well, not only that but our assessors generally
do not assess by an equalization rate. Basically they assess
by the portion of the 1967 building costs, construction costs.
Mr. Ross: And, generally, this is a fairly objective approach,
but in any system where you have an objective approach like
that basically they are using square footage, yu run into
difficulties and inequities and I think this in one declaring,
declaring an inequity that the value of Mr. Bagshaw' s property
isn' t what his neighbors. Although he is paying alot more.
CHAIRMAN: Is there anyone in particular that is that glaring
difference that you have looked at. ---
Mr. Ross: The amount, the total amount, I spoke with the assessors
and they said well he has got alot of square footage.
CHAIRMAN: Buildingsquare footage.
Mr. Ross: That is right, but once again, I think you have
to look at the value and the relevant values of the properties.
And, I think in this case as the system is applied to him it
is unfair.
Mr. Manarel Do we have his card?
Mr. Ross: Yes, his card is right here.
CHAIRMAN: Sam, have you any other questions that you would
like to ask.
Mr. Manarel: No, I don' t.
CHAIRMAN: Carol, Ernie, Bill, (none) As you well know we
don' t make any decision today. We will take all the facts under
consideration and on August 4 we have a decision making day
and at that time after scrutiny of all the facts and figures,
we will come to a decision and advise Mr Bagshaw by mail as
to what that is.
Mr. Ross: Okay, thanks alot.
CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much for coming in.
Mr. Manarel: Thank' s for waiting.
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#31
Allen Smith, esq. for
Suffolk County IDA
George C. Cottral
C & L Realty, Inc.
Main Road
Southold, NY 11971
Mr. Smith: The particular parcel that you have here is the
parcel just to the west of Port of Egypt.
CHAIRMAN: Yes, before we get into that, I want to just see
if you application is in order and legal. Now, everything looks
to be in order as far as that is concerned, Sam, and I think
we can swear the both of you in. Do you solemnly swear that
the information which you give herein will be given accurately
and truthfully to the best of your ability?
Mr. Smith: Yes sir, I do.
CHAIRMAN: Now, we can proceed.
Mr. Smith: This is the parcel that is to the immediate west
of Port of Egypt, called the Turning Point—Hotel and the buildings
that are associated with it. It is probably somewhat different
than most of the grievances here today in that Mr. Cottral
and his brother-in-law, Mr. Lieblien, hence the name C & L
Realty acquired the property and financed the property through
the Suffolk County Industrial Development Agency, so beyond
the ususal type of grievance you have the additional burden
of examining what is called a payment in lieu of taxes agreement
that relates to this particular property. The Suffolk County
Industrial Development Agency under the Real Property Tax Law
is a wholly exempt exempt entity so that without the payment
in lieu of taxes agreement, the parcel would be totally tax
exempt. The payment in lieu of taxes agreement that was
executed by Mr. Cottral and his brother-in-law Mr. Lieblein
for this particular parcel states that they will pay the taxes
on the property as it sat the day they acquired it, and that
for any increase of taxes thereafter they would pay 50% of
those taxes in the first ensuing year, 55% of the taxes the
next year adding 5% each year for a period of 10 years. Mr.
Chairman, that schedule .is attached and the agreement is attached
to the grievance that was filed and I have more additional
copies if in fact additional copies are required. This property
was acquired by Mr. Cottral and Mr. Lieblein in November of
1984, November 27, 1984. I will have Mr. Cottral testify as
to condition of the property on the date he acquired it and
his experience, the economics of the operation of the commercial
properties there on the site. What I do have for you Mr. Chairman,
and I hope I have made enough copies is the closing statment
from that closing and the contract of sale that was between
the predecessor and Mr. Cottral and Mr. Leiblein. And, I do
have five copies. I would think it would be appropriate to
let Mr. Cottral carry his own water and tell you the condition
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Mr Smith: that he found the property in when he -acquired it.
And let the contract and closing statement speak for itself, .
the contract and closing for the verbal record do reflect the
purchase price of $250, 000 when they did acquire it in November
of 1984. Ace, would you describe what you bought, and the
experience you have had with it so far.
Mr. Cottral: Well, basically, the motel itself was totally
useless when we acquired it. We renevated the entire motel.
Most of the bathrooms in the two story unit and all of them
in the one story section, had deteriorated to the point where
the walls had totally rotted out and had to be completly replaced
all of the bathrooms. Alot of the back wall of both buildings,
we put alot of money into the motel. The fish market was barely
usable, we had to do most of the fix up on that too. But,
basically we started out with an empty hull. We gutted everything
out of the motel and completly refurnished the whole thing.
Mr. Smith: Would you describe to them you profit and loss statements
and balance sheets for the operation of this entity.
Mr. Cottral: The balance sheets for 1985 and 1984.
Mr. Smith: Would you describe what they say to the Board.
CHAIRMAN: I would like to look at your application one more
time.
Mr. Cottral: There were no docks out in front of the fishing
market. There were previous to that, but the hurricane destroyed
it. All those docks have been rebuilt at a substantial cost.
The cost of replacing the docks, most of the money that went
into refurbishing the building and the bottem line is that
we have not made a profitin two years.
Mr. Smith: Mr. Chairman, I have just one other item of presentation
that I would like to make and then we will answer any questions
that you may have. In the application that was filed with
theBoard we suggest to the Board that the proper assessment
for the property, assumming the equalization rate of 8. 48%
would be an assessed valuation of $33, 920. That is arrived
at by the purchase of $250, 000 plus the $150 , 000 improvements
of $400, 000 times that particular rate. Assumming that our
argument is correct and in that regard, the $250 , 000 market
price paid on that upon acquisition would be subject to a full
assessment with no exemptions or $21, 200. The balance above
the 21, 200 would be subject to 50%.
CHAIRMAN: Let me just look at this profit and loss statement.
This is striclty for this piece of property that we are talking
about.
Mr. Radford: A piece of property was owned out- by Orient point,
this has nothing to do with that?
Mr. Smith: No.
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CHAIRMAN: No, no, this Mike and Mary Morris, -Southold Fishing
Station.
(Assessor Scott Harris presented the Chairman with information
regarding the Suffolk County Industrial Development Agency)
CHAIRMAN: Just bear patience with me.
Mr. Smith: Yes sir, no problem.
CHAIRMAN: Well, I am not going to take up too much of your
time right now, I can look up that later. I would make one
suggestion to you, Mr. Smith. I know you have checked this
A box in your complaint. I would suggest that you also, there
is a box here somewhere where this is going to come into play.
Mr. Smith: Yes sir, I believe it is the bottom of the A box. •
The last item.
CHAIRMAN: Okay, good, that is what I was looking for. Okay,
we will make all this a part of this. I don' t know if all
. the Board members would like to go through all of this right
now.
Mrs. Bolger: I would like to wait. --
CHAIRMAN: It is a very involved situation.
Mr. Smith: We both will remain available to youif you wish
us to make further presentations or if you need additional
information.
CHAIRMAN: Very good. As you know we don' t make any decisions
today. And, in this particular case. . . .
Mr. Smith: Even if you wanted to you might not. Again, the
only thing I didn' t see anybody taking note of was the breakdown
on, and as long as everybody understands the position, is $250, 000
is the full that we owe you on and above that is the 50%.
CHAIRMAN: Okay, thank you very much for coming in and our
decision day is August 4 and it takes a little while after
that until you will receive the notification or our decision.
Mr. Smith: Thank you.
CHAIRMAN: Thank you.
The chairman requested that the secretary send correspondence
to Mr. Smith asking for a profit and loss statement and a balance
sheet endorsed by a certified public accountant as of December
31, 1984 for C & L Realty
This session of the Board of Assessment Review adjourned at
4 : 00 p.m. Respectfully submitt d,
•'EVENING SESSION GR&ANCE DAY JULY 15, 1986
SAM MARKEL-CHAIRMAN
' #32 Les Hubbard & Gloria Hubbard
P.O. Box 1062
Mattituck, New York 11952
SCTM# 1000-126-6-19
CHAIRMAN SAM MARKEL: Mr. Hubbard do you solemnly swear to the information
given herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of
your ability?
Mr. Hubbard: I do
CHAIRMAN: Alright.
Mr. Hubbard: You assessed me for $400. for a swimming pool. On the
grounds that it is a prescription for my wife because she has multiple
sclerosis, I think that it is unfair.
CHAIRMAN: I would like to make one correction. We as a Board do not
assess anyone for anything.
Mr. Hubbard: I stand corrected.
CHAIRMAN: We are the Board of Assessment Review. We have nothing to
do with Assessors what so ever.
Mr. Hubbard: I don't think it is fair for me to be assessed for some-
thing that is -a prescription. Here is a letter from my wife stating
why she needs it.
SAM MAMAREL: If that' s the docotors statement thats the thing. When
did you get this from the doctor?
Mr. Hubbard: Before the pool . February 19 , 1985. I called the people
down here and they said they would gladly give us a waiver. Norm
Reilly came down there to get the permit and showed it to them and
after I gave it to Norm I have no idea what happened. I know that
in the Town of Brookhaven they give waivers on an individual basis
and they will do the same for an added room that would have to be
added on the house because the bedrooms are upstairs. A special
waiver.
CHAIRMAN: You see when Reilly came in here to get the permit he
probably showed this to the Building Department which means nothing.
He should have shown it to the assessors.
Mr. Hubbard: I understood that he did it. I don' t know what he
did. I can't speak for Norm Reilly.
CHAIRMAN: We had one case like this last year.
Mr. Hubbard: But this is prescribed by a doctor.
CHAIRMAN: I understand.
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, EVENING SESSION JULY 15, 1986 Continued #32
Mr. Hubbard: I feel it is the same thing as charging me extra because
there is a wheelchair in the house.
ERNEST RADFORD: Depends on the circumstances.
CHAIRMAN: On the application Bill, what was the prior assessment?
William Weinheimer: 4300 and they changed it to 4700, a 400 dollar
increase.
CHAIRMAN: Anyone have any questions they would like to ask?
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD: No.
CHAIRMAN: All right Mr. Hubbard, we do not make any decisions tonight.
We have a decision day on August 4th where we make all our decisions
and if you have anything else you would like to add to your statement?
Mr. Hubbard: No, just that she has to-- with the heat-- any doctor
will tell you the same thing.
CHAIRMAN: We have Dr. Arm' s prescription.
Sam Manarel; I know her personnally.
CHAIRMAN: We will take all the facts under advisement and on the 4th
of August we will make our decision. A few days after that you will be
notified by mail.
Mr. Hubbard: OK
CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much for coming.
#33 George Krieling and Francis
Deep Hole Creek
Mattituck, New York 11952
SCTM# 1000-115-11-5
CHAIRMAN: We will take the Deep Hole Creek applications in the order
we have them. We have to treat each application as an individual
application. OK Mr. Krieling - Do you solemnly swear that the information
herein will be given accurately and truthfully and to the best of
our ability?
Mr. Krieling: I do.
CHAIRMAN: Now go ahead.
Mr. Krieling: Forst, I would like to explain that we are not mad at
anyone. We live on this creek and most of us have lived there for
a good many years; we all live on Deep Hole Creek. This complaint
is brought about as a result of the fact that this creek has not
been dredged and is now closed to navigation.
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EVENING SESSION GR VANCE DAY JULY 15, 1986
SAM MARKEL-CHAIRMAN
#33 continued
Mr. Krieling: Now as waterfront property owners, if we do not have - the
use of that water, we are not waterfront property owners we are pond-front
or swamp-front owners or whatever you want to call it but the water is the
value of the land. You know yourself that the value of a piece of
property goes up considerably if you have deep-water anchorage. We
have had for years. As our rider says we have paid for docks, we've
paid for permission for mooring we can not use. Now that water is
about a foot deep coming in at low tide and the serpentine thing and
the cloudy water we can't even find our way in and out without running
aground. Some of the people on the creek have damaged their boats.
Now the argument is that it has to have public access, that' s not our
fault it does not have public access we have no responsibility for
providing public access to the creek. That' s the Town' s responsibility
and I believe the did have public access at one time, there were
strips of land that were given over and disappeared. Whether they
were sold or whether they were never followed through I don't know.
Again we're not angry at anybody. We don't want to complain .that
our taxes have been unfair, but they will be unfair if this creek
closes in. Everything else is pretty much summed up in here. Except
the fact that a number of us our boat owners. We are compelled to
keep our boats in marinas for rather exorbitant prices and these
marinas have their creeks dredged out. Now that' s our position and
I think its immanently clear in the write-ins in the back of all
our forms.
CHAIRMAN: Mr. Krieling, the first thing I would like to tell you
is that we as a body do not assess anybody in this town. We are
not any part of the assessors office. We are an independent group
here by law. We are here to protect the taxpayers of the Town of
Southold. The assessors are not our bosses, they don't tell us
what to do, how to do it, or how to approach a problem. We are
not the last resort in the matter either. If you read the booklet
you might have gotten from the assessors; if you are not satisfied
with our results you have an area to go to. To court.
Mr. Krieling: We understand that.
CHAIRMAN: So all I want to point out to you is that we are not
your enemy to start with.
Mr. Krieling: No, I 'm sorry I gave that impression. There is
no adversary relationship between any of us. We just want to present
our petition.
CHAIRMAN: Very frankly in all my years on the Board and I think
Sam too and Bill; this is the first time a problem like this has
come up. Isn' t that ture?
Sam Manarel: It is to my knowledge.
CHAIRMAN: So it not something we can say hey we know the answer to
this one. So what we are going to have to do; and what we do in
all cases anyhow is we have an additional meeting on August 4th
where the public is not involved. We call it decision day and betwen
now and August 4th we are going to gather as much legal information
EVENING SESSION GRIEVANCE DAY JULY 15, 1986
#33 continued
CHAIRMAN: (continued) where we can go with this and where you people can
go with it, to make a fair decision on it. So if you have any more
input that you would like to give us or in your application you say
your assessment should be reduced to $3 , 700. What is your assessment
now?
Mr. Krieling: $7,400.
CHAIRMAN: $7,400 OK has anyone in the group received, a notice of
increase recently.
Mr Luchsinger: Well I did.
CHAIRMAN: Well we' ll get to that later. So I have to tell you
that by August 4th we will make a decision, you won't get it by
August 4th because the young lady has to then type them all up
and mail them out. It takes a little time after that. But
definately you will receive word by the early part of August on
what our decision will be. And that' s the best we can do for
you. Now lets see who else. By law we have to swear everyone
in that presents an application.
Mr. Corso: My name is Corso
# 34 & 35 Joseph Corso - -
750 Lupton Point Road
Mattituck, NY 11952
SCTM# 1000-115-11-18
CHAIRMAN: Mr. Corso, do you solemnly swear that the information
you give herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the
best of your ability?
Mr. Corso: I do.
CHAIRMAN: Thank you. Would you like to present your case. I' ll just
see if you filled out this application correctly. OK sir.
Mr. Corso: I bought vacant land on Deep Hole Creek and I built I
believe the following year. This was our situation then, we had a body
of water and at high tide boats from all over not only boats in
the creek but boats from outside of the creek came in, weekends
especially, sking there was no speed limit, there was access. I
bought navigable waterfront property. One of the first things I
did even before I built a house was to own a boat. I don' t
remember what year it was either the late 50 ' s or early 60 ' s either
the Town or the County came in and dredged a channel from the opening
of Peconic Bay right down to the end of the creek I can show you on
the map.
CHAIRMAN: I 'm familiar with it.
Mr. Corso: Your familar. Dredged it out so that now boats could
be used at all times. Again either two or three times after that
EVENING SESSION GRIEVANCE DAY JULY 15, 1986
#34 &35 continued
Mr. Corso: (continued) the mouth which because of the dredging, now
seems to close because I think the water coming in that much faster
began bringing in sand and on several occasion two or three I:'m.
not sure the Town or the County came in and dredged. When the situation
got bad. Many people like my neighbor next door who recently bought
his property I 'm sure I don't know what he paid for the property but
I 'm sure he paid an inflated price because he was buying property on
a navigable waterfront property. He could see it boats all
sailboats of all sizes. My 22 ' boat right next door to him. This
is what he was led to believe, and now some where the decision is made
because the public does not have access this is what I 'm told and
it is closing up very badly. I think that at the end of this season
it will be completely closed and if it closes completely what are we front-4
on? What has been done to our property? Certainly the value--incidentally
I should mention I been here and built a .house in the early 501s, 53 or _
54 in anticipation of retiring in 1980 and I 'm retiring to navigable
waterfront property, I thought. I built a large extension to my house
the town increased my assessment 50% I didn' t quarrel about it, I
put in a big extension, this was going to be my home, waterfront,
navigable property. I would not have done that in 1980 I would have
found someplace else a navigable waterfront piece of property. This
is what the Town and County had created. How can they take it away
from us and leave our assessment the way it is? To pay taxes for
something as we say here could become a mud hole. Could become
mosquitoes, all kinds of vermin. What' s going to happen? This is
going to close completely. When I first tried to get out with my
boat and I tried to get out at medium high-tide and was pushed over
on the sandbar and I tried to get myself out, I had $550 damage to
my boat--because it is closing in there' s just a very narrow strip
from a strip that should be open about 100 ' at least it' s down to
about 15 .or 20 ' and closing in by day. We are going to become land
lock out there? Is this what they are doing to us? If they are
going to do this to us we are certainly a relief in taxes and as
you say this is something novel -- we hope that you check it our
way. Incidentally I should have mentioned that recently the Town
Trustees have now put up a sign dangerous to navigation or something
like that Closed to Navigation by order of the Town Trustees.
Scott Harris: I think that was a tactic Judge Corso to get the
Coast Guard and other people aware of the fact that it is unnavigable
waters and hopefully the County would respond in that respect. They
got no where else I understand from the Trustees, they can't get
anywhere with the County.
CHAIRMAN: The County use to dredge it?
Scott Harris: Yes they did.
Mr. Corso: Incidentally the County or the Town came in last year and
I don't know how much money they spent to stock it.
Scott Harris: With clams?
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EVENING SESSION GFOJANCE DAY JULY 15, 1986 •
#34 & 35 continued
CHAIRMAN: Scott---
Ernest Radford: Please no direct conversation.
Scott Harris: Was this a plan?
CHAIRMAN: Scott no direct conversation with the people. Scott that' s enough.
Mr. Corso: They grow clams in front of my property and then I have to
buy them from them. Public access—commercial fisherman would come
in and dig the clam that -the Town spent a good piece of money to stock
only last year. Now they are closing it completely—where is the
sense.
CHAIRMAN: Excuse me are you still on the Trustees?
Mr. Frank Kujawski: No, but everything they are telling you. .
CHAIRMAN: What I am trying to ascertain really is if we could find
out from ,some of the Trustees if they know where that access is.
Mr. Kujawski: There is no access.
CHAIRMAN:. Absolutely?
Mr. Kujawski: I think they all know that also-.—
Mr.
lso:sMr. Corso: I don't know if I 'm ever going to be able to get my boat out.
Mr. Kujawski: We tried to make the point with Dr. Koppelman* that access
from the Bay would be access.
CHAIRMAN: Alright as all know we are not going to make a decision tonight.
Mr. Kreiling: ' We' ll wait patiently for your decision in August.
CHAIRMAN: All I can tell you is that we will give it our best.
Ernest Radford: Is there anyone else that would like to present a case?
Mr. Luchsinger: My name is Luchsinger. I think I forgot to sign that.
CHAIRMAN: ( returns the application) while we are at it. all look at
some of the others to make certain they are signed. I have two Corso
applications here.
Mr. Corso: Oh I own a piece of vacant land right next to my pool so
I have two applications. I have two bills. - -
* Lee Koppelman is the Director of the Suffolk County Planning Department
Frank Kujawski is the Deputy Supervisor in Town Hall to attend a Town
Board meeting going on the same evening. Mr. Kujawski is a former
Town Trustee.
EVENING SESSION GRIEWCE DAY JULY 15, 1986
#36 continued
#36 Donald Luchsinger & Judith
820 Lupton Point Road
Mattituck, NY 11952
SCTM# 1000-115-11-16
CHAIRMAN: Ok, Mr. Luchsinger do you solemnly swear that the information
given herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your
ability?
Mr. Luchsinger: I do. I 'm one of those persons referred to as a recent
buyer to Deep Hole Creek. A person who came from the midwest and was
shocked by the prices of homes out here. None the less we did buy a
piece of property on a navigable creek and I do find that unavailable.
to me now, which is my problem not necessarily yours, but none the
less it is a real shock that in less than a year no a year and a month
from the time we closed on the property which was navigable and was
available to Peconic Bay and now have it no longer so. . and that
in addition to buying the house and throwing some additional money
for a little remodeling on top of that it comes as a real blow.
CHAIRMAN: Since all of these applications are pretty much going to be the
same I ' ll just ask the Board one time, does anybody have any questions
they would like to ask of Mr. Luchsinger?
Ernest Radford: Just one. Is there any association that represents
the owners?
Mr. Corso: We have recently formed an association, this is within the
past couple of weeks . . we haven' t been an association of long standing.
William Weinheimer: ' So it couldn' t know whether there was access in
the past or not?
Mr. Kreiling: We understand there was but we had no real information
we have to do some research go back through some deeds.
William Weinheimer: You mean it potentially existed prior to
your buying the property?
Mr. Corso: We don't know.
Mr. Kreiling: We had some understanding of that but I can't swear to
that. I have no first hand knowledge of that . . it is heresay.
CHAIRMAN: Well Mr. Luchsinger, August 4th is Decision Day and on
that day or shortly thereafter of our decision on the matter and
we go back to Mr. Corso. . you have two applications in here
evidently .
Mr. Corso: I own two seperate pieces of property. One is vacant land
and the is improved and I get two seperate tax bills.
CHAIRMAN: Ok so we 're accepting two applications from you on the same
basis. -we' ll see who else is here. Anyone else in the group that have
one. . could you just tell me the name and I ' ll get it out.
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EVENING SESSION WEVANCE DAY JULY 15,•86 ,
#37 Joseph EsquiroL.,
1350 Lupton Road
Mattituck, NY 11952
SCTM# 1000-115-11-11
CHAIRMAN: Mr. Esquirol do you solemnly swear that information you give
herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your
ability.
Mr. Esquirol: I do. _
CHAIRMAN: Ok sir would you like to make a statement to the Board?
Mr. Esquirol: Well I am aware of the statements given by my neighbors
Mr. Kreiling and Mr. Corso the statements they have made are similar to
ones .I. would have .made:. . The ridder which I have attached is, I
believe the same as everyone else who was affected by this situation.
I would make one other observation.. I happen to live next o the-- =
last lot on Lupton Point. One of the interesting questions I get
asked particularly by people who ride down the road looking. . they get
to the end and they have to turn around and they stop and chat, they
will ask questions to this effect. . How big a boat can you bring in here?
I raise this for a point—because they are looking at these as waterfront
lots, navigable waterfront lots and obviously deciding whether or not
they would purchase one of these lots on whether or not they can
bring a boat of a certain.:size in there. Clearly since I 've owned
the house. .my wife and I bought it in 1971. . it has been navigable ever
since we bought it. However this year for the-first time it is not
navigable. I 've already replaced the cooling mechanism in my engine
twice in the last six months from sucking up sand trying to get in and
out it' s running me $250 extra dollars to operate the boat at this
point I don't know whether I can get it in or out except at full high
tide and my boat is not as big as Mr. Corso' s but it draws about the
same amount of water. So I would simply join what my neighbors are
saying on this and concur with the statements they have made.
CHAIRMAN: Ok sir, I advise you that on August 4th will be decison
day and on that day we will make our decision shortly thereafter will
notified of the results.
Mr. Esquirol: I would like to just add one thing.
CHAIRMAN: Sure be my guest.
Mr. Esquirol: We do not regard the Tax Assessors here as our emeny.
We feel that the decision that is made by others in the tax department
has impacted on our properties and has impaired the value. We do not
blame Mr. Gordon and Mr. Watts it has nothing to do with them.
Our property is rated on the idea that we do have assess to the
bay apparently we are not going to have assess to the bay.
EVENING SESSION GRANCE DAY (9) *July 15, 1986
CHAIRMAN: Ok sir. What is your name sir?
Gentleman: Believe it or not it is Markel.
CHAIRMAN: Now I recognize you and your wife. I want to assure everyone
here that this gentleman is in no way related to me what-so-ever. OK.
Mr. Markel: But we' re having trouble with that several generations
back we're no so sure.
#38 William Markel
850 Lupton Point
Mattituck, NY 11952
SCTM# 1000-115-11-15
CHAIRMAN: Mr. Markel do you solemnly swear that information you give
herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your
ability?
Mr. Markel: I do
CHAIRMAN: Ok sir; would you like to state your case?
Mr. Markel: I ' ll be very brief. Judge Corso and I bought our land
about the same time together we retired about the same time. We both
built additions to our houses thinking we would retire happily and
to cement further one point that was made, my son who has been keeping
this boat on Deep hole Creek for many, many years for whom we built
the addition to the house became jammed in the waterways about two weeks
ago and had to be pulled off and he has moved to a marina costing
$1100 for the season. So that' s kind of an unfair deal if we have
to buy private mooring some place else and are also paying for waterfront
property with deep water navigation. I have nothing further to add than
that.
CHAIRMAN: Ok sir. On August 4th we are going to make our decision.
Mr. Corso: Mr. chairman on behalf of the property owners on Deep Hole
Creek we waive your closing statement. We have heard about August 4th
and we think that since you have so many others we will save your
voice that we will waive your advising us about August 4th.
MR. CHAIRMAN: However, if any of you decide to go to certiorari and
our minutes are not in order, they will throw me out of this job.
Mr. Corso: If you must you must.
Woman: I think I am the last,the name is Bleimiller.
CHAIRMAN: Mrs. Bleimiller, do you solemnly swear that the information
given herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your
ability?
Mrs. Bleimiller: I do.
EVENING SESSION GRIEVANCE DAY (10) July 15, 1986
#39 Robert & wife Bleimiller
1235 Lupton Point
Mattituck, NY 11952
SCTM# 1000-115-11-8
Mrs. Bleimiller: I so do.
CHAIRMAN: No on your application you do not state how much you want
your assessment to be reduced. Please fill that in. Mrs. Bleimiller
would you like to make a statement?
Mrs. Bleimiller: No except that I have lived on that creek for thirty-
three years and I 've had a boat and have been able to. get in and out
and can't any longer.
CHAIRMAN: That' s a statement. Alright we're going to have a decision
day on August 4th and at that time we will make the decision and will
notify you with the results.
MR. Corso: Let the record show that we do have a number of applications
that Mr. Krieling has represented and has spoken to them all.
CHAIRMAN: Incidently each one of these applications will be treated
as if somebody was sitting in this room.
#40 Dennis Dowling
475 Lilac Lane
Cutchogue, NY
SCTM# 1000-
CHAIRMAN: Do you solemnly swear that the information you give herein
will be given trufully and accurately to the best of your ability?
Mr. Dowling: I do.
CHAIRMAN: Would you like to state your complaint.
Mr. Dowling: I received in the mail a notice that my assessment was
going up from $5100. to $6200 and naturally I wanted to know why because
I hadn't done anything to the house I hadn' t made any additions to it.
I hadn' t changed it in any way. I only bought the house in December of
1985. When I called up on the phone, when my mother called up on the
phone Mr. Watts informed us that the reason the house was being reassessed
was the first floor of the house is finished. Now to the best of my
knowledge and through the previous owners the first floor of the house
was finished in 1967 the day it was completed being built. Mr. Watts
also informed me that he . . the only other addition on the house was
a garage in 1976 which he himself put on the house. I don't understand
why all the sudden I get reassessed when this house has been this
way for twenty years.
CHAIRMAN: On that application Bill what is the the reason for grieving.
William Weinheimer: Just reduced to $5100 that' s all he has here Sam.
EVENING SESSION GRIEVANCE DAY JULY 15, 1986
#40 Dennis Dowling continued.
CHAIRMAN: We need a reason why the taxes should be reduced.
Mrs. Dowling: The reason is because the house was built in 1967 and
I have a certificate of occupancy for it in 1967.
William Weinheimer: Just check that box for us please, and call down
to the assessors office for the card. Can you write a short explanation
here as to why you want it reduced. See it says other explain on an attachec
sheet which you don't have but maybe you can sort of sandwich a reason
right here on the same sheet.
CHAIRMAN: Mrs. Dowling: Dg you swear that the information you
give herein will be given accurately and truthfully and to the best
of your ability
Mrs. Dowling: I 'm just trying to say that I am trying to sell my house
now but I put in an additional garage on my husband did, and we also
finished the basement and every time that we got the permit they registered
with the Town Hall and they gave me a card to mail in and then the Town
Assessor would come and I would get reassessed. Which I didn't mind
and we can't sell a house in Islip unless you have the CO.
Mr. Dowling: It says right on the certificate of occupancy that. .
CHAIRMAN: When you bought that house they had to supply the certificate
of occupancy to you is that correct.
Mr. Dowling: They also had to supply the certificate of occupancy for
1976 when the garage was added. Now the last owner sold the house to
me on December 6th. and the assessor told me that the reason that he
reassessed me was that the owner before he left told him that the first
floor. .not the basement. . was finished. Now that seems odd to me. .I mean
if the assessor came to me and said can I take a look at you house.
Mrs. Dowling: I just seems so unfair. .doesn't it really. . I mean if
you bought a car and then after you paid the man a thousand dollars
he comes and tells you you have to pay for the slipcovers. Isn't that
what it is.
CHAIRMAN: I just want to say that I don' t want any cross converation
, between the assessors and yourselves and vice-versa what ever you have to
say you talk to me and what ever he has to say he talks to me and that' s
the way it is going to be. We are not going to have any arguements.
Charlie- are you familar with Mr. Dowlings situation?
Assessor Watts: Yes I am.
CHAIRMAN: He claims that all improvements t.O th.2ir house was made prior
to this purchase date. He has done no improvments since he bought the
house and that in effect you spoke to the previous owner and he told
EVENING SESSION GRIEVANCE DAY JULY 15,1986
#40 Dennis Dowling continued.
CHAIRMAN: improvements had been made and on that basis you reassessed the
house?
Assessor Watts: Yes. We were never aware that the downstairs was complete
CHAIRMAN: Downstairs—are you talking about the basement?
Assessor Watts: It' s a high ranch. There is actually no basement.
CHAIRMAN: Now Mr. Dowling in what year did you state that the house
was finished downstairs?
Mr. Dowling: According to my certificate of occupancy, November 29 , 1967.
Completed, private one family dwelling issued by the Town of Southold.
CHAIRMAN: Has any other board member got any questions they would like
to ask?
Ernest Radford: When you say a high ranch does that mean that there' s
a basement that is part of the living area?
Assessor Watts: It' s a two story house without a basement.
Sam Mamarel : It a slab, here is a picture of the house.
Ernest Radford: I 'm trying to get a picture in my mine.
Sam Manarel : What is on the first floor?
Mr. Dowling: A playroom, a fireplace, three rooms.
CHAIRMAN: Is that a working fireplace?
Mr. Dowling: Yes it is.
Ernest Radford: What rooms are down in the basement?
Mr. Dowling: The playroom is directly under the living room, there' s
a fireplace. . that' s the largest room. There' s two sliding -glass doors
that lead into the backyard patio from right below here. Then there' s
a room right here that fronts the house,a bathroom.
Sam Manarel: No, I'm talking the basement.
Mr. Dowling: Yes, a bathroom right here a laundry room with a washer
and a dryer right here, and another room right here and that' s where
it meets the garage. There' s also a door right here that goes out the
side and a door on the back of the garage that goes out tb the right
side of the patio.
Sam Manarel: The reason for my question is this. Could a certificate of
occupancy be given with that basement not being finished at all? Is there
sufficient room upstairs bathroom, bedrooms, kitchen, living room so a
certificate of occupancy could have been issued without that being finishe,
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EVENING SESSION GRIEVANCE DAY JU* 15, 1986
#40 Dennis Dowling continued:
Sam Manarel: (continued) downstairs.
Mr. Dowling: That' s quite possible
Sam Manarel: I don't know that' s the question that comes to my mind.
Mr. Dowling: I only bought the house in 1985.
Sam Manarel: It doesn' t make any difference, the question comes to my mind
is perhaps they are both right. That' s the only thing I 'm thinking about.
Would they give two certificate on one house.
Mr. Watts: I don't know we don't deal with the C.O. ' s at all. We have
nothing to do with C.O ' s.
Mr. Dowling: I could maybe call the builder and I'm sure the builder
would know whether the certificate of occupancy whether when he completed
that house, that house was completed from the ground floor up or
the ground floor wasn't completed and the top floor was. Personally
I think that no to far off.
Sam Manarel: I think that must have been. Could we from our building
department here get that information and save you from the trouble.
You can get the information from the builder if you like, but we can
probably find out from your building department if that were the case.
CHAIRMAN: Any additional information you can give us will be helpful.
Mr. Dowling: I would be glad to give you a copy of the C.O. Howard
Terry did the inspection for the Town of Southold so I 'm sure there
is a building permit and on that permit it would certainly have the
building.
CHAIRMAN: As in all cases we make our decision on August 4th and we' ll
advise you by mail of our decision. In the interim if there' s any
information you would like to get to us, we would welcome it.
Mr. Dowling: Would affidavits from the previous owners that the first
floor was in that condition when they bought it?
CHAIRMAN: Yes that would help. Very definately a notarized affidavit
would definately help.
Mr. Dowling: Thank you very much for your time.
#41 Kevin Quillin
RR #1 Box 8
North Road
Greenport, New York 11944
SCTM# 1000-34-4-2
William Weinheiner: Kevin, there are two things you have to do here.
First you must sign this application. Second in the box you must write
how much you are looking to get your assessment reduced.
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EVENING SESSION GRIEVANCE DAY July 15, 1986
#41 Kevin Quillin continued
CHAIRMAN: Do you both (Mr. and Mrs. Quillin) solemnly swear that
the information you give herein will be given accurately and truthfully
and to the best of your ability
Mr. Quillin: I do.
CHAIRMAN: Ok would you like to make a statement?
Mr. Quillin: Yes, I got this in the mail about a week ago opened it up
and to my surprize my 1985 assessment was for 4800, I opened it up and
my 1986 assessment was for 6700 a 1900 increase. That was kinda a
big jump. . I wanted to find out what it was all about, so I called up
and I had a dormer put on so I asked about it and they said yes you had
a dormer put on and that' s why it went up so much. So I asked them
I said well I had the upstairs up there already it' s a story and a half
house all I did was added on a few more square footage by just raising
the roof a little bit.
CHAIRMAN: Qubic footage.
Mr. Quillin: Alright cubic footage, so they said well you put a dormer
on there that' s why you are paying so much now. We never knew it had
an upstairs, well somebody had to know that I had an upstairs the house
has been there for 45 years and its had an upstairs for so long, every-
body' s telling me they haven't known they had my map here obviously
somebody has looked at the map and known I 've had an upstairs, there ' s
always been a stairwell there. What we based putting a dormer up on
my wife came up here before we even started the whole deal and she
talked to Jack Sherwwod and asked Mr. Sherwood if we had this dormer
put up what would our taxes go up? He told my wife that they would
maybe go up $200 in the first year and another $50 to $100 in the next
couple of years. .now all the sudden my taxes are going to go up
$700 in one years time.
CHAIRMAN: Your assessed valuation has gone up $1900?
Mr. Quillin: $1900. That' s a big jump just for raising the roof
up a little bit. I came up here the other night anyway and I was
checking the other people around me with similar houses. If you
would like I would like to read some of them off to you.
CHAIRMAN: By all means.
Mrs. Quillin: I came up the day before and I told the assessors
that Jack Sherwood had told me that it would only go up at least
$200. They told me that he had no right saying it because he
was not an assessor he should not be giving out the information
That ' s what we based it on.
Mr. Quillin: That' s what we based it on. I 'm not made of money
that I can go and throw. . . I mean if I know it was going to be $700
or $800 a year I would never had done it. I have a couple of kids
at home too, and I 'm sole support of my family,
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EVENING SESSION • GRIEVANCE DAY JULY 150986
#41 Kevin Quillin Continued
CHAIRMAN: Would you like to tell me the houses you aquainting this
with.
Mr. Quillin: I have a house in back of me. My house is 1240 square
feet. I have a house in back of me, as you know I 'm being reassessed
for 6700 , the house right in back of me. .his is 1138 square feet,
he has a pool with a deck around it.
Sam Manarel: Is it an above ground pool?
Mr. Quillin: No it's an inground pool with a deck around it. The
place is immaculate he' s assessed at 5600 with the pool.
CHAIRMAN: What' s his name?
Mr. Quillin: Alex Georgi.
CHAIRMAN: Anybody else?
Mr. Quillin: Yes, I have a neighbor Ernest Stilley, he' s got a one
and a half story house, he' s got about three times the property that
I have his house is a lot newer than mine, my house is about 45 years
old his I guess is about 25 or 30 years old. He' s assessed at 6500.
Mrs. Quillin: We getting charge $4. 50 a square foot and he' s getting
charged $3. 75.
CHAIRMAN: After you get done calling off the names your interested
in I 'm going to have those cards brought in for comparison. Anybody
else?
Mr. Quillin: I have quite a few. I have another one down the road,
Costello he has a one-and a half story house we don't have the
dimensions but I have the number.
CHAIRMAN: That' s alright just give me the name and the area and
we can find it.
Mr. Quillin: I have Harry Sinuta he' s got a lot more property than
I didn' t get just how much property he' s got. He' s got a one
and a half story house, he' s assessed at $5800. Mella Leiblien down
the road 1385 sq. feet, she' s assessed at 5800. Joe Mazzafaro he
put up a brand new house, the house is similar to mine the house is
even a year old 1101 square feet, 3/4 acre of land 5900 he' s assessed
at. My next store neighbor has a half acre of property he' s got
a two story house, 3400. Davis, down the road from me, he' s got
a one and a half story house in the front and he got like a garage
apartment, he' s assessed at 6900. He' s got a depreciation on his
house too.
EVENING SESSION GRIEVANCE DAY JULY 15, 1986
#41 Kevin Quillin continued
CHAIRMAN: May I see that, don't let me stop you keep going.
Mr. Quillin: There' s another Helen Zainer 1200 square feet one and
a half story house with a pool nice location, by the way my house
is right on the North Road, I 'm not waterfront or anything like that.
CHAIRMAN: I know where you are.
MR. Quillin: and he' s assessed at 7000, I have another one down the
the road, this is the big one, the reason I drew the card out the
other night because I just wanted to see how much off the wall
it was from mine. . . because of the fact that the man has a house
three to four times the size of mine and five— seven or eight times
the property that I have. I figured I would just take it out and
just take a look at it. . I took it out and took a look at mine and
I 'm assessed at 67 and take a look at his. . he' s got 2108 square feet
two and a half acres of property it's a three story house he' s
paying 6300. Something' s got to be wrong here if I'm paying 6700
and he' s paying 6300 for something like that. I have a couple more
too. If I were to put my house up on the market and sell my house
compared to a man that has a three story house with two and a half
acres of property back off the road I mean in comparison I'm not
going to get nothing compared to what he' s going to get for his
house and being the fact that I 'm assessed more.
CHAIRMAN: Were not interested in what you can get for your house
we're just interested in you getting a fair deal.
Mr. Quillin: Right but the way your putting thing down here my
house should be worth much more. Which I can't understand this.
I got the upstairs done now and now they are telling me that no one
knew before that there was an upstairs on the house so that they are
saying that I wasn't taxed on it. . now all of the sudden the upstairs
is up there they are taxing me on it but I have no C.O. on the place
or anything yet I mean nobody came. . all they did was they took my
building permit they says well they had a dormer put on we're going
to tax them now for it—it' s not finished yet, I 'm not living up
there, I won't be living up there for another two to three year.
CHAIRMAN: There ' s no furniture up there?
MR. Quillin: No furniture up there, I 'm not even half way done with
it. I 'm working six days a week and I just don' t have the time to
get up there. I don 't even have the C.O. For it and already they
are going to tax me for it. I don' t see how anyone could have
missed that before when it' s right here in the plans.
CHAIRMAN: Sam do you have any questions for this gentleman? Carol?
Carol Boger: Not at this time.
William Weinhiemer: The dormer ' s not on this picture yet?
Mr.S. Quillin: No we just had it done in October.
GRIEVANCE DAY EVENING SESSION July 15, 1986
Mr. Quillin: The house all that it is . . is a dormer coming out
the back.
Sam Manarel: Is it a shed dormer? All the way across?
Mr. Quillin: It' s a one foot instep on the sides and goes out.
Also the rest of the house is in poor shape too. I 'd like to
file for a depreciation on the house too.
CHAIRMAN: Well you are doing that in your application, I believe.
Mr. Quillin: Right but I mean if you would like to know things that
are wrong with the house.
William Weinheimer: How old is the house?
MR. Quillin: The house is about 45 years old.
CHAIRMAN: You will have to talk to the assessors on getting an
depreciation.
Mr. Quillin: I asked them the other night. There are different ones
around that have depreciation on their houses. They said to file
here for a depreciation. So my house is in need of a lot of things.
CHAIRMAN: Sam had you had that experience?
Sam Manarel: That' s strictly an assessors job I thought.
CHAIRMAN: That' s what I thought.
Mr. Quillin: I was up there one other time when I first bought the
house when I was in the main room over there and was talking to everybody
CHAIRMAN: How long ago was that?
Mr. Quillin: Five or six years ago.
CHAIRMAN: In the main conference room.
Mrs. Quillin: 1980 we bought the house.
William Weinheimer: I see when you bought the house in ' 80 they reduced
the assessed valuation from 4800 down to 4200 .
Mr. Quillin: Yeah, the house is in poor shape. It' s still in poor
shape exact for the dormer that I had put up.
Sam Manarel : Was that as a result of your grievance that it was reduced?
Mrs. Quillin: Yes
Sam Manarel: Yes that' s what I thought.
Mrs. Quillin: But the heating system that we told about the last time
is no good.
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EVENING SESSION GRIEVANCE DAY . July 15, 1986
#41 Kevin Quillin continued
Mr. Quillin: The heating system is poor. The front porch we won't
let any one walk on that it is rotten.. There's a lot of things that
need attention. I have a list of things that have to be done. The
house is in need of a lot of work. I don't know where the money is
going to come from now after they reassessed like this.
William Weinheimer: Are you living in this house now?
Mr. Quillin: Yeah, I'm living in the house, downstairs, Nobody
came and assessed the house they just took my building permit that
they had. .they just looked at the permit and that' s how it went up.
Nobody came down and looked at the house.
Sam Manarel: You can't be sure of that, if you were working. .
Mr. Quillin: They told me that.
Carol Boger: They told you that they went strictly by the building
permit?
Mr. Quillin: They told me they went by the building permit, they
looked at the building permit and that' s how they went up. That' s
a big jump of 1900 in one years time.
Mrs. Quillin: They figured out it was $700 to go up in one year.
Mr. Quillin: I talked to a man in Southold he' s got a house right
on the water an inground pool same size house as me. .Same size land
he ' s paying the same amount of taxes as I am. I 'm right on the North
Road I got all the traffic.
William Weinheimer: They claim you have here 1240 square feet of
living space? That must include the dormer upstairs.
Mr.Quillin: This is ground floor, all the square footage I gave you
in the other thing is all ground floor too.
William Weinheimer: They have one and a half building 1986 dormer.
Mr. Quillin: That's what they reassessed us on.
William Weinheimer: The reassessment must be based on 1240 feet than.
CHAIRMAN: It includes the whole thing.
Mr. Quillin: Yeah well they went up on the rate
CHAIRMAN: Yes when they are two floors than the rate is higher than
one floor.
Mr. Quillin: I 've always had an upstairs and they tell me nobody ever
knew it.
Mrs. Quillin: Also Ernest Stilley that lives next door to us. -he ' s
getting he ' s getting $3 . 75 square footage I believe. They said he
doesn' t have a story and a half. . I said you can't tell me that because
he has the two dorm boxes in the front. . I. says he ' s living up there
EVENING SESSION GRIEVANCE DAY JULY 15, 1986
#31 Kevin Quillin: continued
Mrs. Quillin: continued so I said you can't tell me that it' s
not a story and a half because it is. .they said well we didn't
know that. . I says well you look at the picture and you can tell
me that it is.
Mr. Quillin: Just by taking a comparison of the houses in my neighborhood
or just around me on the same size and same square footage and property
and even more property the others own and I 'm paying the most out of any
one in the whole neighborhood and somethings wrong—especially you' ll
see when you look at the big one here. They have him down for depreication
on the house.
CHAIRMAN: Is that a corner house you are talking about?
Mr. Quillin: No the big one right next to Brecknock Hall.
CHAIRMAN: Right next to Bre.cknock Hall.
Mr. Quillin: Right across from Sterling cemetary sets way back off the
road.
CHAIRMAN: Is you house on the other side of the road or the other side.
Mr. Quillin: It' s down aways it' s west on the other side of the street.
CHAIRMAN: Your west of Brecknock Hall? So you are quite west of
Joe Mazzafaro?
Mrs. Quillin: Five or Six houses. Joe, Leibliens, Costello, Loeb and
then us.
Property cards are brought in on the parcels wanted:
CHAIRMAN: Why don' t we all take a look.
Sam Manarel: I think we better get one of the assessers down here.
I don't like the way this is set up. Whoever is in charge of this area.
CHAIRMAN: Greenport, I guess that would be Fred Gordon.
Sam Manarel : They should have had the orginal square footage on here
and then they should have and an extension and that seperate and then
add the two together to get the square footage.
CHAIRMAN: Lets let the powers that be here.
Mr. Quillin: I would like to know ezactly how many more square feet
was added on too. Remember all I did was raise the roof the upstairs
was ther already. All it was was the matter of raising the roof.
CHAIRMAN: When the assessor gets here we will ask him for and explanation.
one thing we don't want are any cross arguements between you and the
assessor.
Mr. Quillin: No, no that' s why we are here to you.
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EVENING SESSION GRIEVANCE DAY JULY 15, 1986
#31 Kevin Quillin Continued
Kevin Quillin: I just want my fair justice that' s all. I don't want
to go to the poor house here.
CHAIRMAN: Scott are you familar with . .
Sam Manarel: This is waht' s bothering me. This is the orginal square
footage of the house right? And than a dormer was put on now that
doesn't add to the square footage around the house.
Scott Harris: No
Sam Manarel : Then shouldn't it be down here so that we know what
you assesed the dormer at?
Scott Harris: No the dormer is on at a story and a half, it says
1986 dormer just to show that a dormer was added on the back. But
a story and a half house is rated at 4. 50 it has a fireplace and a
a full basement.
Sam Manarel: Now your calling this a story and a half you not calling it
two stories.
Scott Harris: no story and an half it' s right on the card.
Sam Manarel: Just wanted to make sure usually your additions are shown
below.
Scoot Harris: Just measure the base foundation and you apply the story an6
half rate.
CHAIRMAN: What is your rate for one story?
Scott Harris; Three dollars a square foot . 25 a square foot for additional
basement and . 25 more a square foot for a fireplace. which would be $3 .50.
In this case it' s a story and a half so it' s $4 . 25 a basement . 25 for the
fireplace $4. 50
Sam Manarel: But its not noted down here. It doesn' t show what you charge
for the fireplace or the garage
SCOTT HARRIS: None of the cards do. They all have it in here it show
fireplace and basement and the rate shows it.
CHAIRMAN: Basically all you increased was for the dormer making it a
story and a half? Is that right?
Scott Harris: the was a one story rate on there the dormer makes it a
story and a ahlf. `
CHAIRMAN: Now we have some other cards here of houses in the immediate arE
I haven' t personnaly looked at the but the others have. Did you find
some camparisons Sam that were not in line with the other?
EVENING SESSION , GRIEVANCE DAY JULY 15, 1986
#41 Kevin Quillin:
William Weinheimer: Scott would you have two rates one for the main floor
and one for the story up above?
CHAIRMAN: The minute he went to a story and a half there should be only
one rate. Do you consider it a story and a half even though the
upstairs is not finished? That just a dormer was built?
Scott Harris: Well if the upstairs is completely unfinished and there
is nothing in there and they are not living there and it is unusable
and just framed then we would put that on fully we would probably put
that on at a partial.
CHAIRMAN: I think I asked you this question before. You are not
using the upstairs it is not finished.
Mr. Quillin: No we are not using it. It is not finished.
CHAIRMAN: Actually the assessors do not generally go into a house.
Mr. Quillin: They come for inspections.
CHAIRMAN: That' s the building department.
Mr. Quillin: - Right the building department comes for inspections. I 've
only had the necessary inspections I 've never had the final inspection.
CHAIRMAN: You don't have the final CO
MR. Quillin: No we dont have a CO
Scott Harris: But we don't assess by CO' s.
Mr. Quillin: What you saying than is. that if I'm being taxed fully for
the upstairs right now then there is no sense in my getting a CO.
I don' t need a CO for the upstairs right?
CHAIRMAN: I 'm not saying anything.
Mr. Quillin: Well that' s the way I would take it to be, if I 'm paying
taxes on it then way go and get a CO on it. I don't need it.
CHAIRMAN: Let' s stick to the point in case here. What we are interested i
is to see that you're paying the fair share and no more. Now does
anybody else have a question for Harris?
Sam Manarel : I would like to make a suggestion. I would like to have
Scott Harris make an appointment when it is convenient with you and
let him come over and look at your house between now and August 4th
when we have decision day.
Mr Harris: We 'll go as four we do not go individually.
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EVENING SESSION GRIEVANCE DAY July 15, 1986
#41 continued
CHAIRMAN: You can arrange that?
Mr. Harris: Absolutely it' s made
CHAIRMAN: Make a note of that Scott, could you arrange so that they
can come in and have a look see.
Quillin: (agreed)
Mr. Quillin: Could I ask the Board to exam these other ones here?
CHAIRMAN: Yes we automatically do.
Mr. Quillin: If you would I would like you to just take one look at
the ones here, especially the big one down the road while I 'm here
Mc Intosh, and Georgi 's.
Scott Harris: We can't find that card.
Carol Boger: I have Georgi' s here.
CHAIRMAN: One other question I have for you before you leave. How
can some one apply for depreciation?
Scoot Harris: They can state to us to come please look at the house
the state of the house is in disrepair to the-- fact that it need
depreication on it because it is not worth the value of the assessment
placed on it.
CHAIRMAN: And you will automatically go out and look at it?
Scott Harris: Absolutely, we always do.
Mr. Quillin: Will you do that at the same time the day you come to
look at the. . I would like to have that done too.
Scott Harris: yes.
CHAIRMAN: Now in comparing your' s and Georgi' s
Mr. Quillin: Now there' s a house compared to mine he' s two stories but
he' s just about the same square footage about the same amount of property
the place is immaculate he' s got a swimming pool in the back with a
deck around it . . it' s just been added on the assessment and he' s
paying 56 and I 'm paying 67 there' s an 1100 difference. I don' t have
a pool in my yard. Something doen't seem right there and his has
just been changed to because of the pool because he just had it
put on.
William Weinheiner:How much of an increase did he get?
Mr. Quillin: I don't know if he got any increase, just the four hundard
that they add on for the pool, that' s it.
CHAIRMAN: They got a four hundred increase on ,11/29/84.
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EVENING SESSION , GRIEVANCE DAY JULY 15, 1986
#41 continued
CHAIRMAN: On August 4th we will have another meeting and at that time we
will go over it, all of these and we make our decision and immediately
thereafter, in a few days you will be notified of our results as you
know we are not the last resort if you are not happy with what we
come up with you still have recourse to other areas. Thank you both
very much for coming in this evening.
Ernest Stilley
Alex Georgi
John Costello
Harry Sinuta
Mac Intosh * not listed under -- Schofield Jerry 35-1-27. 1
Joe Mazafarro
Mela Leiblien
#42 Joan Langenyr
RR #1
900 Oak Drive
Cutchogue, NY 11939
SCTM# 1000-104-6-12. 1
CHAIRMAN: Do you solemnly swear that the information you give' herein
will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability?
Mrs.Langenyr: I do. I just feel that the house I am residing in is
just a little bit to high in comparison with the other people in my
area and I thought this for quite a while but I just never had filed.
CHAIRMAN: You would like yours reduced to 6500 dollars. Well we
have four different names here she would like us to compare with
and I think we' ll get, they have already been made.
William Weilheiner: You had the house built in 73 , and it' s been assessed
at the same rate since 1973 .
Sam Manarel : Any improvements made? The assessment has been the same.
Mrs. Langenyr: NO, I work away and leave very early and never attempted
to file. It' s just that the taxes keep going up and up. I didn't
even know that I could do this.
CHAIRMAN: The tax rates keep going up. Ok Bill there' s the card and Bill
you have the complaintants card and here' s a comparison.
Sam Manarel: Broad Waters Cove
CHAIRMAN: In the case of a mistake all you can do is correct it
William Weinheiner: What kind of extension are they on the house.
Mrs. Langenyr: I have front porch, nothing has been added on after the hot
was built.
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EVENING SESSION OEIVANCE DAY JULY 15, 1986
#42 Joan Langenyr continued
William Weinheiner: There are three extensions here.
Mrs. Langenyr: Do you have the right house? Yes that' s my house.
William Weinheimer: But I say they have the main building and then
they have three extensions all added together.
Sam Manarel : Yes but they don't have it on this side of the card
the only improvement on the land is one and that was made before
73. Built new house you asked the lady if she built the house
herself. Something doen't jive. You sure you have the right
second sheet? This is your house right?
Mrs. Langenyr: It' s been a long day. This is my house.
CHAIRMAN: On Langenyr a brand new house was built in 1973 and on the
other side of the property cared we have the main building plus
three additional extensions.
Sam Manarel: And they haven't had any extensions put on the house.
Charlie Watts: That' s the original house.
CHAIRMAN: They had it built and thats the way it is to this day.
Charlie Watts: This is the original drawing of the house. This
is just the way we draw it for our information. See like 21 X 29
William Weinheiner: In other words the main room is actually reduced in
size merely for the purposes of identifying the other areas.
Charlie Watts: Sure, we draw this off to be able to break it out.
(indicates the room measurments) this is the orginal drawing because its
never been changed, the assessment has never been changed.
William Weinheiner: Look on someone else card here they had a main
building and two extensions and one was a peak roof at 3. 00 a foot
and a flat roof at$1 . 50 why do the extensions have varying rates of
charges?
Charlie Watts: This is probably a shed roof off the back. According
to this it isn't a room it may be an open porch or something.
CHAIRMAN: Is there one card in particular that you feel should be used
in comparison that you want us to look at?
Mrs. Langenyr: Not really it just that I know your not suppose to go
by taxes but I 'm going by taxes it seem that all the houses on these two
little streets are similar in structure and I 'm paying $2500 verses
$1300 a year taxes.
CHAIRMAN: There is a mistake here Charlie because the card says the
house has a basement but it does not have a basement.
Charlie Watts: Is she being charged for a basement? I see she is.
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EVENING SESSION GRIEVANCE DAY JULY 15, 1986
#42 Joan Kangenyr
CHAIRMAN: On August 4th we will make a decision and shortly therafter
we will notify you by mail. I think this particular case can be
taken care of with a correction. Is that right Charlie? And
that would really solve the whole situation. Thank you very much for
coming in.
CHAIRMAN: Do you solemnly swear that the information you give
herein will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of you ability?
John De Reeder: I do
#43 John de Reeder
Box 1322
Mattituck, NY 11952
SCTM# 1000-114-11-19
CHAIRMAN: Do you have a complaint form?
John de Reeder: I believe you have a copy of it. I think my real complair
is with Bill Wickham but I can't seek grievance from him so I'm here. I
bought a house on New Suffolk Avenue in Mattituck that was formerly owned
ny Herbert Reef and pink house the first house on the north side of
New Suffolk. Herbert Reef and his sister-in-law Evelyn Reef have
been out of the house for several years and the house has been taken care
of by a local attorney' s firm both of the houses have suffered severely
over the last few years, I 'm just grieving for mine not my neighbor' s
house. My house has been vacant on and off and has had three different
occupancies by tenants and in addition to neglect it is suffering from
severe abuse way beyond normal wear and tear. For what it is worth I
have pictures of the house some of this has changed I am, the quickest
I am able to financially trying to get the house in better shape. They
will be a new roof on by the end of the year and a new heating system
before heating season. The paint and some of the rotten will just have
to wait.
CHAIRMAN: Could you tell me the approxiamte age of the house?
Mr. de Redder: The house was built in 1919. I did some research here
in the Assessor' s Office and looked at the cards and they are a lot
of houses in the town that are older and similar, I didn't find
any of the cards for houses except for the one next door where the
houses don' t have some sort of depriecation. I have only owned the
house since Februar,,r, the assessment should have been lowered years ago.
CHAIRMAN: Is there a depreciation on it now?
Mr. de Reeder: There ' s none it' s at absolute full assessment. It' s
not just a house that need paint it need about 70,OOOdollars worth of work
done on it. On a big house even small things like a roof and paint
job become very expensive. I 'm spent a little over $4 ,000so far and
that got refinishing of the floors and upgraded the electric service from
30 amp to 150 amp. I have a statement of condition of the house I ' ll
leave it with you.
EVENING SESSION OF GRIEVANCE DAY July 15, 1986 (26)
Statemen read by Jo* de Reeder: +
The present roof of the house is three layers thick and has
been leaking. It has been spot repaired several times.
Water damage to the plaster ceilings and walls of the second
story is substantial. Water has blackened and swelled the
wood floors. The soffits are rotten in several places, and
will need replacement. Concealed gutters have been roofed
over and likely have contributed to the soffit problem. The
chimney flashing continues to leak.
The heating plant is the original coal boiler converted to
oil around 1940. The original burner gun is still in
service. The buried oil tank was dug up this spring to
repair leaks in the supply - fittings and vent line. As the
well is only twenty-five feet from the tank, the tank must
be replaced soon to safeguard the drinking water supply.
The electrical service was recently upgraded from 30 amps to
150 amps. Previously two lighting circuits served the
entire house. Three fixtures were controlled from wall
switches; the rest by pull chains or strings. Six outlets
served the first floor and three served the upstairs.
Supply plumbing has neared the end of its service life. It
has been sprouting regular leaks, and needs replacement.
One persistent leak remained undetected until the wall
concealing it was removed in April . The--floor underneath is
severely rotten, and there is rot in the adjacent joists.
The windows are original double-hung sashes with wood
frames. Approximately a dozen panes are broken. All sashes
and frames need painting and some sills are rotten. Most
sashweight cords are broken. Half of the windows are
equipped with aluminum storm-screen combinations ;
conventional wooden storm windows and screen frames are
available for some others.
Front and rear exterior steps are rotten. The rear door and .�
door frame are rotten. The front porch needs several rotten y
floorboards replaced. Two porch columns are split and the
rails .are missing balusters.
The kitchen is vintage 1935. It will be gutted , rewired ,
and plumbed. New flooring , walls, and ceiling are needed.
Existing cabinets and countertops will be replaced.
The baths were remodeled mid-1950' s. The tub enclosure is
missing tiles where leaks have kept the plaster wet. A wall
common to the baths has settled 3/8 of an inch due to a
supply plumbing leak and resulting structural failure in the
first story subfloor.
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EVENING SESSION GRIEVANCE DAY July 15, 1986
#43 John de Redder continued
John de Redder: I have a number of comparables basically any old
house you look at in town shows some sort of adjustment for
depreciation. A number of the houses listed here have sold or
are available for sale one there is only one that is less than
twice my price and all the rest are far more than twice my price
and their assessments are lower than mine.
CHAIRMAN: Mr de Reeder would you have any objection to allowing the
assessers into your home?
John de Reeder: No if I had known that there was an opportunity for
that I would have taken that approach right away.
CHAIRMAN: As you know we don't make any decision tonight. However,
I will ask the assessors right now to make an appointment with you
prior to August 4th which is our decision day and have them report
back to us by that time; to help us in our judgement. Of course
there is the avenuie of depreciation open to you and I think you
should discuss that with the assessors.
John de Reeder: I got my notice like everyone else did and I knew
that today was the assessment day so I thought this was the appropriate
avenue.
CHAIRMAN: I know we've made a few requests for appointments with Scott
to examine a couple of properties and I believe this one here should be
included. Mr. de Reeder if you could leave us all the information.
CHAIRMAN: Anyone here like to make a motion to close the meeting?
Sam Manarel made the motion that the meeting be closed; Carol Boger
seconded the motion.
Meeting closed 9 :04 P.M.
Respectfully
Submitted by
Barbara A. Rudder
Decision Day Board of Assessment Review August 4 , 1986
Present were: Sam Markel - Chairman
Carol Boger
William Weinheimer
Sam Manuel
Absent: Ernest Radford
CHAIRMAN: Number 1 is Charles Mazzarese, After reviewing the property
cards from the surrounding area it appears that the assessment is
comparible to those in the area. How do you Ivote?
Sam Manuel: No change
Carol Boger: No change
William Weinheimer: No change
CHAIRMAN: # 2 Philippe Maucotel his application states that he
feels he is not being taxed .at the same rate as other homes is the
area. The assessors have reviewed the property and feel the
assessment should remain the same.
Sam Manuel: NO
Carol Boger: NO
William Weinheimer: NO
CHAIRMAN: The next three #3,4, and 5 are New York Telephone and
we have no. jurisdiction.
CHAIRMAN: # 6 Alan Cardinale application submitted by lawfirm of
Costigan, Hyman & Hyman they feel the property should be assedsed
at 30 of full value. How do you feel?
Carol Boger: Denied
Sam Manuel: Denied
William Weiheimer: Denied
CHAIRMAN: Marlake Assoc. # 7 and 8 same as above
Carol Boger: Denied
Sam Manuel:. Denied
William Weinheimer: Denied
CHAIRMA14: #9 Southoland Corporation. Wimpfheimer & Sherman Esqs.
filed the application on the grounds that the assessment was
higher than others in the area. This was found to be untrue.
Carol Boger: Denied
Sam Manuel : Denied
William Weinheimer: Denied
CHAIRMAN: #10 Hodor-Staller & Kasper Denied
CHAIRMAN: #11 Vantage Petroleum complaint filed by Cronin; Cronin & Cronin
believes property being taxed a higher rate than other in the
same assessing jurisdiction. Unfounded
Carol Boger: Denied
Sam Manuel : Denied
William Weinheimer: Denied
CHAIRMAN: #12 John' s Enterprises represented by Cronin, Ctnni,n & Cronir
believes that property is being assessed a higher rate than others
in the same assessing jurisdiction. Unfounded.
Carol Boger: Denied
Sam Manuel : Denied
William Weinheimer: Denied
CHAIRMAN: #13 Benjamin Kasper complaint filed by Cronin & Cronin
believes that property is being taxed at -a higher rate than others
in the same assessing jurisdiction. Unfounded
Carol Boger: Denied
Sam Manuel: Denied
William Weinheimer: Denied
CHAIP24AN: #14 and 15 Pond .Enterprises filed by Cronin, Cronin &
Cronin, -Cronin and Cronin believes that property is being taxes at
a higher rate than others in the same assessing jurisdiction. Unfounded
Carol Boger: Denied
Sam Manuel: Denied
William Weinheimer: Denied
CHAIRMAN: #16 Southold Ventures filed by Cronin, Cronin, & Cronin
believes that the property is being taxed at a higher rate than others
in the same assessing jurisdiction. Unfounded
Carol Boger: Denied
#16 continued Southold Ventures
Sam Manuel : Denied
William Weinheimer: Denied
CHAIRMAN: # 17 Dorothy Snyder filed by Cronin, Cronin & Cronin. believes
that the property is being taxed at a higher rate than )others in the
same assessing jurisdiction. Unfounded
Carol Boger: Denied
Sam Manuel: Denied
William Weinheimer: Denied
CHAIRMAN: 70 Marion Associates, Staller Associates filed by Cronin, Croni.
& Cronin believes that the property is being assessed at a higher rate tha:
others in the same assessing jurisdiction. Unfounded #18
Carol Boger: Denied
Sam Manuel: Denied
William Weinheimer: Denied
CHAIRMAN: #19 King Kullen Grocery Co. Inc. filed by Arthur Kremer Esq.
would like property assessed at 3% rate believes property is being
assessed at a higher rate than other properties in the same assessing
jurisdiction. Unfounded.
Carol Boger: Denied
Sam Manuel: Denied
William Weinheimer: Denied
CHAIRMAN: # 20 S&E Realty Co. (Cutchogue Shopping Center) represented
by Seigel ,Fenchel and Peddy. Believes the property is being assessed
at a rate higher that properties in the same assessing jursidiction.
Unfounded
Carol Boger: Denied
Sam Manuel: Denied
William Weinheimer: Denied
CHAIP24AN: #21 First National Savings & Loan Association filed by
Seigel Fenchel & Peddy property is being assessed at higher rate than
others in the same assessing jursidiction. Unfounded.
Carol Boger: Denied
Sam Manuel: Denied
William Weinheimer: Denied
CHAIRMAN: #22 New York Telephone no jursidiction Denied
CHAIRMAN: #23 .& 24 L & R Vineyards filed by Koeppel Sommer & Del Casino
application states_propert* is being assessed at a rate higher than
others of the same assessing jurisdication. Unfounded.
Carol Boger: Denied
Sam Manuel: Denied
William Weinheimer: Denied
CHAIRMAN: #25 Donald King represented by Koeppel Sommer and Del Casino
application reads that property is being assessed at a rate higher than
others in the same assessing jurisdiction. Unfounded
Carol Boger: Denied
Sam Manuel: Denied
William Weinheimer: Denied
CHAIRMAN: #26 Stanley Wernick complaint reads improper calculation
of transition assessment this was proven and to warrant a reduction
of $100.
Carol Boger:- Yes granted
Sam Manuel: Yes, granted
William Weinheimer: Granted.
# 27 Lee S . Daley
Chairman: Next is Lee S . Daley they would like their assessment
reduced to 2720, their total assessment is 4100 they do not ask
for a comparison or equal they just feel that the house is in
serious deterioration however, they do have a creek which is
waterfront, they are on more than 3/4 of an acre. They are in
a very desirable location personnaly I feel that it is a very fair
assessment even though the house may not be in good condition.
The land value and location and the fact that it is on the creek
I think it is fairly assessed . We will now take a vote on it .
Sam what is your opinion?
Sam Manuel : No Change
Carol Boger : I agree
William Weinheimer: No change .
Chairman: Peter Bouziotos 428 They would like a reduction from
$11 , 045 to $6500 . I just want to make sure I have the right house .
William Weinheimer : It ' s assessed a $11 , 000?
CHAIRMAN : $11 , 045 , would you like to see the house? It ' s assessed
valuation, we ' re not talking taxes remember we ' re talking evaluation.
William Weinheimer: that ' s quite a package . Most houses around here
are assessed for $4500 to $6000 .
Sam Manuel : Depends where you are .
CHAIRMAN: I have one that is right in his area here, and let me
see if I can find one that looks something like his .
William Weinheimer: Is there a price on that house or did he build
it?
Chairman; 1968
Carol Boger : Yes but I remember she was saying that she bought it
at such and such a price and yet it was recorded at some exorbinate
price. She said no way it was something like $350, 000 . She said that
was not waht she paid for it . It ' s in the minutes .
William Weinheimer : Here ' s the question on the purchase price. (reads
from the minutes) Chairman asked how did you arrive at the complete value
of your property of $180, 000, she answered that was the purchase
price and they we go down further and the card show $350, 000, she
said $350, 000 what?? ?
Chairman: Are we ready for a vote?
Sam: No change
Carol : No change
Bill : No change
CHAIRMAN : 429 Barbara Kujawski, I personally feel that she does
have a problem here. I think that it is not up to us to resolve
the problem as far as whether she has access or not . That is
up to other agencies in the town. We ' re talking raw property. I
think we pulled someone else card to see if she was paying more,
she did pay $80, 000'"for this and it ' s 4 . 72 acres .
William Weinheimer : She ' s being assessed at?
Chairman: Her total assessment is$2, 130 . That ' s total assessment
remember that we' re not talking taxes . Now she has two pieces
here. They are assessing it at $250 on 3 . 72 acres which they
consider tillable land and they have one acre as a house plot which
they are assessing at $1200, now it ' s a minor subdivision known as
"Sundown Farms" and the only real question that we have is
has she got access? She states here my main reason for grieving
is that there are title and access problems with these properties
and they can neither be built on nor sold until these problems
are resolved.
Sam Manuel : I vote no change.
William Weinheimer : No change
Carol Boger: No change.
Chairman: M-r Harvey Bagshaw # 30 . We have had Mr. Bagshaw with us
previously and we did exam all the facts at that time I don ' t believe
anything has changed, however since Carol was not with us then I
will turn this over to you Carol for you to review. We will now
vote on this .
Sam Manuel : No change
William Weinheimer : No change
Carol Boger : No change.
CHAIRMAN : #31 C & L Realty, I have been informed that :.everything is
legal in this situation. It still looks like an awful lot of reduction
to me because here we have a total of $62, 700 is that right Sam?
Sam Manuel: That' s what it says.
CHAIRMAN: That' s 5/10/86 they are asking that it be reduced to
$33 , 920. I think that this of course that this is the first time
in my experience on the board that I have come across a situation
like this and Sam.
Sam Manuel: This is a first precedent for us.
CHAIRMAN: The only thing I would like to know is are we bound
to give them what they ask for or can we adjust the rate to what we think
is fair and equable.
Sam Mauel : Legally we can do that.
CHAIRMAN: Then they would have to either appeal it or go to
CHAIRMAN: (continued) #31 certiorari
William Weinheimer: We have no comparisons to begin with, I mean
to justify making any kind of reduction without having some
comparable figures.
CHAIRMAN: Well I did have the assessor call the Board of Real Property
in Suffolk County and they said yes they have a right to grieve, so
as a government agency Suffolk County Industrial Development has
a right to grieve and that' s who is doing the grieving, although
their agent is actually filing the papers its Suffolk County Industrial
Agency.
William Weinheimer: Who' s paying the taxes?
CHAIRMAN: The agency. So you are dealing with a quasi-government
situation here in cases as this. In the case of C & L Realty Inc.
the Board feels that they are not in a position to grant or deny
the complaintants application due to the fact that a prior agreement
has been made with the Suffolk County Industrial Development
Board and that the Grievance Board will seek the advise of the
Town Council for an answer to the complaint. Does everyone agree
with that?
Members unanimously agree.
CHAIRMAN: Case # 32 Hubbard, In a precedent set by the board
in -pass cases where we did grant the relief for the same reason
he wants it reduced to $4300 it is now $4700 he' s asking for $300,
what do you want to do?
Sam Manuel : I think based on the form of presedence I concur.
William Weiheimer: How come he' s only asking for $300?
Carol Boger: He ' s asking for $400 . I agree.
William Weinheimer: Agreed
Sam Manuael: I agree.
CHAIRMAN: GRANTED Decrease from 4700 to 4300 .
CHAIRMAN: #33 I feel there is no change in the value of these
properties and since they are all basically the same, we can make
the same decision for everybody. Sam what is your vote?
Sam Manuel : As is.
Carol Boger: As is.
William reinheimer: As is.
CHAIP14AN: Ok so there's no change. How many do we have here?
There ' s #32 thru #40.
(Since applications 1333 thru #40 are similar in their grievement
they were dealt with as a whole. )
#33 George Keiling #71 George Bird
#34 & 35 Joseph Corso
#36 Donald Luchsinger
#33 Joseph Esquirol
#38 William Markel
#39 Robert Bleimiller '
CHAIRMAN: Since it has not been proven that the property value
of these owners has changed I do not believe that a decrease is
warranted. Shall we take a vote.
Sam Manuel: As is
Carol Boger: As is
William Weinheimer: As is
CHAIRMAN: OK So there is no change in the assessment of the
Deep Hole Creek applicants. Numbers 33 thru 40.
CHAIRMAN: Case # 40 Dennis Dowling.
CIIAIR14AN: He' s not asking for a comparison. or anything else on,
this grounds the assessors feel it is a fair assessment.
Sam Manuel: I ' ll ask this question, he says it was finished in 1967 since
1967. . .
CHAIRMAN: 1976
Sam Manuel: Here it say 1967
CHAIRMAN: On the application
Sam Manuel: He said he had the CO in 1967 , since he made no changes
since then how comek.,we increased it.
William Weinheimer: The place was sold in. 1971 and then again in
76 and addition was made then again in 81 and then he bought it
in 85.
CHAIRMAN: So they reassessed it at the 85 rate of assessment and never
checked it in. the meantime. That' s a good long time to go without
being assessed. How much did it go up? $500.
William Weinheimer: $900 .
CHAIRMAN: Over 20 years 67 to 85. . Eighteen years. I ' ll take a
vote on it. Sam?
Sam Manuel: IC'm hot ready yet. Just because time goes by there
doesnot have to be an increase. They charge so much a square foot
for living space and five years later.
CHAIRMAN: you can see what has happen here. Someone did not
apply for a building(-permit and went ahead and put additions on
no him. The assessors came back and found all this done and raise the
assessment.
Dennis Dowling continued.
CHAIRMAN: It' s there
Sam Manuel : They raised it on the additional living space. That' s
what they did it for.
CHAIRMAN: That' s right. Shall we vote.
Carol Boger: As is.
Sam Manuial : As is
William Weinhemer: As is.
CHAIRMAN: Kevin Quillin is the next one #41 , now on this one I
think we asked the assessors to go out there and they did and they
recommend that a $600 decrease be granted. The orginal assessment
is $6700 we're reducing it to $6100.
Carol Boger: He is also applying for depreciation.
CHAIRMAN: He has to do that at the assessor' s office. Our we all in
agreement?
Members: Yes.
CHAIRMAN: Now we come to Langemyr Roy and wife. #42. He' s says
it is unequal and he quotes other houses in the area. I feel a
reduction of $400 is warranted. Members do you agree?
MEMBERS: (in agreement)
CHAIRMAN: Next #43 John de Reeder.
Sam Manuel : That was reviewed by the assessors also and a reduction
of $900 was recommended.
CHAIRMAN: Are we ready to vote?
Carol Boger: Agree
William Weinheimer: Agree
Sam Manuel : Agree
CHAIRMAN: Reduction from $7000 to $6100.
CHAIRMAN: #44 Donald Finnerty Please read the grounds for complaint.
#44 Donald Finnerty continued
Sam Manuel : The complaintant believes the assessment should be
reduced for the followingreasons. New room 16 X 20 is unheated,
that can be demonstrated by inspection to varify owner installed
both exterior doors.
CHAIR.AAN: I believe a reduction of $100 is sufficient. As recommended by
the assessors. From 6800 to 6700 . How do you vote?
Sam Manuel: Agree
William Weinheimer: Agree
Carol Boger: Agree
CHAIRMAN: #45 Frank Zimmer.
Sam Manuel: Zimmer the man. that Scott Harris was telling us about this
morning. That he asked the assessors to do down and check the property
over and when they got down there they found two extra barns that
were not on the tax rolls.
CHAIRMAN: Scott felt that the additions that he found equals the
amount that they are charging. He decreased the rate on some of
them he reduced the rate per acre by $50 but then he found some
barns that had never been assessed by adding them back in it comes
to the same thing.
Sam Manuel :. Denied
Carol Boger: Denied
Bill Weinheimer; Denied
CHAIRMAN: #46 Harford, Jean. She wants it reduced to $4960 the
assessment is $5900 for the total and her reason is that it is
a summer house and cannot be used on a year round basis because
it is not insulated and the water is so bad you can not drink it,
they have to buy water for. cooking and drinking the land is under
water at times and I believe the town shows this area to be a flood
zone. (her comments) Prior to adding a garage my husband checked
wofth (second garage) Jack Sherwood and he told him no problem.
After checking with your office I found my house rate was increase
from @ . 75 to 3. 25 and the garage area from $1 . 00 to $1 . 25.
Shall we vote?
Sam Manuel: No change
Carol Boger:. No change
Bill Weinheimer: No change
•
CHAIRMAN: #47 Henry Weisman wants to be assessed at 2% was
a reduction from $9900 to $4500 no reason cited on 2% statement.
Sam Manuel: Denied
Carol Boger: Denied
Bill Weinheimer: Denied
CHAIRMAN: #48 Cirrito, Michael & Mary Ellen. He wants a reduction
he wants a reduction of $600 Please read the application.
Sam Manuel: Denied
Carol Boger: Denied
Bill Weinheimer: Denied
CHAIRMAN: 235 Mill Street Inc. #50 in certiorari
CHAIRMAN: Mr. Frank Flynn # 51 assessment arbitary and capricious
What is you vote?
Sam Manuel: Denied
Carol BOger: Denied
Bill Weinheimer: Denied
CHAIRMAN: Emanuel Knotakosta #52 this is certiorari we can not
do anything.
CHAIRMAN: Daniel C. Mooney # 53 also in certiorari
CHAIRMAN: #54 Bank of New York, The application was filed by a
law office and the. give full value of the property not assessment
the give the full value of 175, 000 and want a reduction of 12, 000
these are their figures not the bank. Insufficient information.
Sam Manuel : Denied
Carol Boger: Denied
Bill Weinheimer: Denied
CHAIRMAN: BW Corporation #55 there is no authorization for
an attorney to file. They have checked unequal assessment and the
equalization rate is not filled in.
Carol Boger: Denied
Bill Weinheimer: Denied
Sam Manuel Denied
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#31 C & L it was decided on by the Board of Assessment Review
that the reduction requested was in the contract and would be
automatically granted that the applicants request be denied.
Sam Manuel: Denied
Carol BOger: Denied
Bill Weinheimer: Denied
CHAIRMAN: # 56 Dale and Eileen Bergen Deep Hole Creek Association
same as the others. Denied (belongs with #33-40)
#57 Eugene Arnone #61 Edward Viola #65 Elaine Villano
#58 Harry Zeiss #62 Bertha Seh #66 Raymond Hiller
#59 Marjorie Wickham #63 James Digons #67 Marie Hiller
#60 Floyd Vail #64 Bernard Turchiano #68 Anthony Gambinc
#69 June Duffner #73 Willaim Barker #77 George Richards
#70 Dimig, Karl & wife #74 Harold Whelan. #78 Helen Mascia
#71 George Bird #75 Joan Saunders #79 John Kennelly
#72 Elsie Kastner #76 Lois Barker
Numbers 80 through 90 were corrections of errors by the Assessors office
#80 Le Grande decrease
#81 B. Conklin decrease
#82 J. Chalnew decrease
#83 NYT increase
#84 NYT increase
#85 K. Peterson decrease
#86 Devin Group Ltd. Drcrease
#87 J. Clarke decrease
#88 E. Bressler decrease
#89 J. Haight decrease
#90 B. Detrey decrease
Submitted by ����
BOARD REVIEW
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MINUTES
BOARD OF ASSESSMENT REVIEW
September 17, 1986
The Board of Assessment Review met on
September 17, 1986. Samuel Markel, William
Weinheimer, Samuel Manarel, Ernest Radford
and Carol Bolger were present.
They discussed and approved the attached
omitted assessments, for the 1986-87 final roll.
Sincerely
Samuel Markel
Chairman
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Correction Final Assessment Roll
Name Reason Amount
1 . Peterson, Kenneth & Wf Was 7900 Now $6, 000 .
2. Wells, Theodore & Wf Omission 5, 000 .
3. Chudiak, Wm Is 800 .
4. Spreckels, Henry & Wf if6, 000 .
5. Geo L. Penny Inc. If
37, 162 .
6 . Granfort, Salvatore & Lucille W. it6, 400.
7 . Borak, Elyse If
2, 400 .
8 . Murphy, John & Wf if7, 900.
9 . Bagshaw, Harvey & Wf 14, 000 .
10 . Tintle, George A & Wf 3, 100 .
11 . Heffernan, Vincent T. & Wf 7, 700 .
12. Wanat, Joseph & Wf 5, 300 .
13. Atkinson, Ronald A 5, 100 .
14 . Saracino, Frank & Wf 600 .
15 . Zebroski, Julius 1, 000 .
16 . Raynor, Dorothy 4, 200 .
17. Moller, Victoria & John 8, 400.
18 . Walters, William J & Diana S. 400.
19 . Diyello, John & Wf 600 .
20. Divello, John M. & Wf 10, 400 .
21 . Manos, James & Wf 1,500.
22. Kroin, Joel 1, 400.
23. Manos, James & Wf 1, 300.
24 . Pollio, Joseph & Ruth 3, 100.
25 . L I Nurseries 31, 400.
26 . Markiewicz, Mark & Katherine 1, 100 .
27 . Markiewicz, Mark & Katherine 1, 000 .
28. Markiewicz, Mark & Katherine 1, 000 .
29. Markiewicz , Mark & Katherine 1, 800.
30 . Klos, Robert & Frank 600.
31. Horton, Philip G 1 , 900.
32 . Doroski, Gail 300.
33. Doroski, Gary & Gail 400 .
34 . Doroski, Gary 400 .
35. Doroski, Gary D 3, 700 .
36 . Tentolouris, Bill & Eleni 910 .
37 . Tupper, Charles A 910.
38 . North Fork Beach Condominium 850.
39 . 850.
40. 850.
41 . 850.
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Name Reason Amount
42 . North Fork Beach Condominium Omission $ 850 .
43. 850 .
44 . 850 .
45 . 850 .
46 . 850 .
47 . 850 .
48. 850 .
49. 850.
50. 850.
51 . 850.
52. 850.
53. 850.
54 . 850.
55. If 850 .
56. it 850.
57 . it 850.
58 . If 910.
59. 910.
60 . 910.
61 . 910 .
62 . 910.
63 . 910.
64 . 910.
65. 910.
66 . If
If
910.
67 . of " 910 .
68 . " " 910.
69 . 910.
70. '► ►' 910.
71 . 910.
72 . 910 .
73 . If 910 .
74 . If 910 .
75. If 910 .
76 . " If 910.
77 . If 2, 600 .
78 . 750 .
79 . " If
1, 850 .
80 . 790.