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James Garretson, Chairperson Town Hall Annex
Anne Surchin, Vice Chair 54375 Route 25
Donald Feiler PO Box 1179
James Grathwohl Southold, NY 11971
Robert Harper Fax (631) 765-9502
Gary Parker Telephone: (631) 765-1802
Edward Webb www.southoldtownny.gov
Damon Rallis, Administrative Assistant
Town of Southold
Historic Preservation Commission Minutes
3:00 p.m., December 15, 2015
Town Hall Annex Executive Board Room
Attendees:
James Garretson,Donald Feiler, James Grathwohl, Edward Webb, Gary Parker,
Damon Rallis
Call to Order:
The meeting was called to order at 3:00 p.m. by Chairman James
Garretson.
Approval of Minutes:
The minutes of November 17, 2015 were approved unanimously
on a motion by Commissioner Grathwohl and a second by Commissioner Feiler.
Chairman’s Comments
Chairman Garretson discussed a property at 430 Orchard Street, Orient.
Although the existing house has a building permit (39399Z) for additions and alterations,
the application was not brought to the HPC for review.
An investigation revealed that the building department was following procedure when it
exempted the project from review, because the work was not altering the façade visible
from Orchard Street. However, because a vacant piece of land separates the parcel from
Navy Street, the commission questioned whether or not it had jurisdiction over the
project because of the façade view from Navy Street.
The building department’s long-standing interpretation of Chapter 170 of the town code
is that only the façade visible from a street that borders the property is considered. Since
the property does not border Navy Street, this façade was not considered.
Chairman Garretson said that he had received numerous complaints about the project
from residents within the Orient Historic District.
As a result, the commission directed Administrative Assistant Damon Rallis to draft a
memo to the town attorney’s office asking for clarification on the law as it pertains to the
commission’s jurisdiction.
Administrative Assistant Damon Rallis announced that he had sent the memo to Town
Attorney Bill Duffy on December 2, 2015, and had yet to receive a response.
Orient resident Robert Sorenson, who was in attendance at the meeting, expressed his
disappointment in the above referenced project. Commissioners assured Mr. Sorenson
that they were going to work with the town to clarify the issue.
Chairman Garretson also discussed property at 745 King Street. In this instance, he said,
work was performed without approval from the HPC. Because the work did not need a
building permit, the building department was not aware of the issue until the work had
been done. The structure did have a building permit from the Southold Town Building
Department, but it did not involve work to the exterior façade.
Administrative Assistant Damon Rallis said that the contractor had come into the
building department and he was given an application to apply for the “as built” work on
the façade of the property. However, Rallis reported that it had been over two weeks
since he gave the application to the contractor. As a result, the commission directed Rallis
to file an official complaint with code enforcement, based on Chapter 170 of the town
code, against the property owner.
Project Update
1535/1555 New Suffolk Road, Cutchogue (SCTM#109.-7-10.5), Salt Air Farm LLC –
Proposal to move an existing historic barn.
Commissioner Parker reported that he visited the site and that the property owners
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would be scheduling an appointment to review a survey and plans for the barn
relocation at a later date.
Old Business
Using CPF Money for Historic Preservation
Commissioners continued the discussion of using CPF funds to protect historic
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structures.
Commissioners agreed to set up a meeting the with Southold Town Board to
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discuss the issue.
Community Outreach (Continued Discussion)
Commissioners continued the discussion of community outreach through
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advertising, community forums, and other avenues. It was decided that
Commissioners Webb and Harper would work on a set of goals to move forward,
as well as to work on an updated power point presentation.
Mile Marker Restoration Project (Continued Discussion)
Commissioner Grathwohl explained that the mile markers had been restored and
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that a press conference had been scheduled for Saturday, December 19.
Meeting Adjourned
The meeting was adjourned unanimously on a motion by Commissioner Webb and a
second by Commissioner Harper.
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I Historic Building/Places Inventory
.; Town of Southold
54375 Route 25, P.O. Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971
Name: Town of Southold/Mark S. Tweedie Date: ,April 2012
Organization: Town of Southold Landmarks Preservation Commission
Inventory Update:
1. Building/Place Name/Date:
-"The Old Place"/J.Wells/Fleet/Kendrick/Vernon House, (ca. 1680, roof 1815)
2. Tax Map Number/Address: 1000-102.-6-10, 525 New Suffolk Road
3. Town of Southold Identification Number: CU-67
4. Current Status of Historic Building(s) or Place(s) : -Extant
5. Evidence of Structural Modifications (if any) : -None, Intact
6. Notes: -Despite not being in oriainal location, this is one of the most
significant houses historically and architecturally to the Town, as this house
was owned by Joshua Wells, son of William Wells, one of the first permanent
settlers in this area. Architecturally, house is a truly unique blend of
vernacular Hall and Parlor with various styled traditions. Multiple views are
shown to reveal and record the current condition of this exquisite structure.
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DIVISION FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION - QUAD
NEW YORK STATE PARKS AND RECREATION SERIES
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BUILDING NAME(S)!'T "� lKanririck�Vernon
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.2. COUNTY: Suffnik 'TOWNICITY: Snuthold VILLAGE:G Utn 9 e
3. STREET LOCATION: New Suffolk Rd Past side # 680 N.Suffolk Rd. +3
` s 4. OWNERSHIP: ,:'a, public ❑ - h private ® ,;�;. --� �,. . -,•; , .:%w.:Yc ,~. + ". •. ;'
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,Fr - Residence
USE: Original: ' ReS i n e ' Present:
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7. ACCESSIBILITY TO PUBLIC: Exterior visible from public road: Yes ;r �.•,• .r• .
• -� ' `' ''="=' :` -Interior accessible: Explain
DESCRIPTION _ :n,l' _" r c . C.r.'
8. BUILDING: a. clapboard ❑ b. stone I� mac. brick ❑ d. board and'batten ❑-w - +
MATERIAL: e. cobblestone Cl...f.shingles N g. stucco ❑ other:
c). STRUCTURAL ' - a. wood frame with interlocking joints ® . ' '-•
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SYSTEM: b. wood frame with light members ❑
(if knuvn). `masonry )oad bearing walls❑•. _
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d., metal (explain)
:y. other
10. CONDITION: a. excellent C3C b. good ❑ c. fair El .:d. deteriorated.q
11. INTEGRITY: a. original site ❑ b. moved ® '-if so,when? early 19th & 18.57 `
c. list major alterations and dates (if known):P aMO D aml_ED 18 L S•
- :*Original sites, Main Road, south side, Cutchogue, ca+.,�`•At;".
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300 yds east of N. Suffolk Rd. Moved to north side =•�~ ?-r
Main Rd. early 19th..cent. -Moved to present site, ,in 1857. '•�fr � : .
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1.3 THRLATS TO BUILDING: a.none known b zoning❑ c. roads ❑
d. de%elopers ❑ e. deterioration ❑
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f. other
15. RLLATL-D OUTBULDINGS AND PROPERTY.
a bdrn❑ b_ carriage house ❑ C. garage ❑
d.privy ❑. e. shed ® ' F. greenhouse ❑
g. shop ❑• ' h.'gardens ❑
i. landscape features: Fen P of horiZ boards_ ring the
j. other: Mounting block along ro si da. street
10. SURROUNDINGS OF THE: BUILDING (check more than one if necess.u}):
a,open land .,b. woodland-0 _--
c.scattered buildings IN
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F. industrial ❑ g. residential 0
h.other: - •t
17. INTERRELATIONSHIP OF BUILDING AND SURROUNDINGS: _
-(indicate if building or structure is in an historic district)
This house stands on New Suffolk Road, a historic and
picturesque dual-lane road.
18. OTHER NOTABLE FEATURES OF BUILDING AND SITE (including intlZrior features if known):
Handsome 1 -story, 5-bay, gambrel roof house. 3 gable-
2raos' dormers with finely molded interlocking muntins ir.
round topped upper sash in the Federal style. Two interior
chimneys. Handsome Federal entrance with transom and side-
lights. 12/12 windows.
SIGNIFICANCE
1 )_ PATE OF INITIAL,CONSTRUCTION: , circa 1680 # and 183.,E
-ARCHITECT.-
BUILDER:
'P. HISTORICAL AND .ARCHITECTURAL IMPORTANCE:
The original owner of this house was Joshua Wells, the
son of Wm Wells, a 16 .0 founding father of the Town of
Southold. Joshua Wells great—granddaughter married
John Fleet in 1789 and lived in this house. The area
was later named Fleet's Neck after this family;*
This house was photographed in detail in the 1930s by
the Historic American Buildings Survey. The photographs
are on file in the Library of Congress
'! SOURCES: * Joy Bear. the News Review, July 16, 1981,
Chace. Maxi of Suffolk County. 1858
Survey by the Cutchogue-New Suffolk Historical
Council, 1974•
1HL.\IC Form prepared by Rosemary Skye Moritt, research
assistant.
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A previous owner, Athelstane Kendricks, wrote a booklet
on the history of the house•, "The Joshua Wells House."
It is in the Whitaker Collection of the Southold Free
Library. -- - -- - - -
THE OLD PLACE", cutchogue
(resume of attached 12-page description)
,THE LAND ON WHICH THE "OLD PLACE" STANDS
William Wells, 1640 founding father, negotiated a treaty in 1667 with
the Indians whereby Southold was extended to include Cutchogue and
part of Mattituck. For this work he was given half of this new territor
This house, "The Old Place", built by William Wells son Joshua in 1630,
stands on a part of his father's land grant.
WHERE FLEETS NECK GOT ITS NAME
"The Old Place" is built on Fleets Neck. Joshua Wells (the builder of
this house ) had a great-granddaughter, Sarah, who married John Fleet.
in 1739. From this couple, and their son and his wife,, Joshua and
Frances Fleet, came the area 's name, Fleets Neck. 15c- -�' �"``-
THE OWNERS" GENEALOGY
The house was owned and lived in by Joshua :ells ' direct descendants
for over 150 years. A partial list of owners follows :
Joshua Wells built the house in 1650
John T. Wells (Joshua's- grandson) died in 1797, leaving the house to
his daughter Sarah, who had married- John Fleet in 1739.
John and . Sarah Fleet's son, Joshua, and his wife Frances, inherited th
house in 1 1�. They renovated it extensively.
he ho
Orrin T. Goldsmit%57
who move use to this site) acquired the
property in from Henry Landon Fleet.-
Oliver Benjamin Goldsmith in 19214 left it to his cousin, Mrs. Athelstar.
Kendricks, wife of the attached article 's author.
Mrs. Elizabeth Vernon of Brooklyn owns it today.
HOUSE MOVED THREE TIMES.
House built on South side of Main Road, Cutchogue, c. u mile east
of New Suffolk Lane.
Early in 19th Century it was moved across the street, just north of
first location. (Wayland Jefferson: Cutchogue, Southold's First
Colony.
Third move, 1957, brought house to present location, 300•' south of
Main Road on New Suffolk Lane . This happened when Orrin T.
Goldsmith bought it from Henry Landon Fleet.
DESCRIPTION OF HOUSE.
Ceilings 10 feet high. Parlor & living room separated by wide hall,
19' long
First & second floor staircases have round mahogany handrails with
four-sided bannisters .
24-pane windows . Dining room largest in house and has 12 doors .
Floors : Parlor - uniform 5" boards .
Floors dating from 1630 are random width
Dining room floor installed over original floor in 1890
Front door heavy. Old eagle knocker. Delicate lights on top and sides .
New York State Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation Jt/5
Historic Preservation Field Services Bureau
O NEW YOWSTATE Z Peebles Island, PO Box 189, Waterford,New York 12188-0189 518-237-8643
Bernadette Castro
Commissioner
[March 19, 2002
14r Bennett Orlowski
Chairman
Southold Planning Board
Town Hall
P.O. BOX 1179
Southold, NY 11971 -
Re: The Joshua Wells House r
(Fleet-Goldsmith-Kendrick House%
525 New Suffolk Road PEAR 2 1002
Cutchogue, Suffolk County
5�=��f` old Town
Dear Mr. Orlowski: s t..a-,,ai?:ia Soard
I am pleased to inform you that the above referenced property has been
listed on the National Register of Historic Places. As you may know, the
National Register is the nation's official list of properties worthy of
preservation. Listing on the National Register recognizes the importance of
these properties to the history of our country and provides them with a
measure of protection. In addition, owners of income producing properties
may qualify for federal income tax benefits. Properties owned by
municipalities and not-for-profit organizations are eligible to apply for
state historic preservation matching grants.
If you would like more information about any of these programs, please
write to the Historic Preservation Field Services Bureau or call us at (518)
237-86.1:3. Field Services Bureau staff maintains a continuing interest in
all registered properties and will be happy to answer any questions you may
have.
Sincerer,
Ruth L Pierpont
Director
Historic Preservation
Field Services Bureau
P.LP:lsa
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TOWN OF SOUTHOLD HISTORIC PRESERVATION
APPLICATION
Meetings are on the third Tuesday of the month at 3:00 pm in Town Hall, 53095
Main Road, Southold, NY.
All applications must have a representative at the hearing in order to be re-
viewed.
Questions? Call Historic Preservation Commission (631) 765-1800.
Date:
Property Address:
7-11 flan Sr'--
Owners
r'--Owners Name:
Sections of local laws authorizing review by the Historic Preservation Commis-
sion of proposed work on designated town landmark properties are in Chapter 56
of the Southold Town Code.
Categories of Proposed Work
❑repair ❑ Storm Windows & Doors
'Alteration [IAdditions & other
❑ Painting new construction
❑ Roofing,
❑ Signs
Please attach a detailed description of the proposed work to the application. At
the earliest stage of planning of the proposed work, the applicant should contact
the Chairman or Secretary of the Commission in order to establish a dialogue of
the proposed work.
understand and agree that no work on this request shall commence until written
approval has been given by the Building Inspector if a Building Permit is required.
Owner's Signature:
Note: Applicants should review Commission Standards before planning work to
insure that the application conforms to these requirements_
1. APPLICANT
Name:
Address-
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Telephone/email/fax:
2. PROPERTY
Owner's Name:
Address:
Telephone/e-mail/fax:
Tax Map Number.
Date Acquired by Current Owner: Co 3 /3"
Status: Local Landmark( ) In Local'Landmark, District ( ) On National Historic
Register or in NHR Dist. ( )
Use: Current:
Proposed:
3. PROPOSED WORK
Scope of Work: Y `
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` HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
Southold, NY
2016 Commission Road Map
Draft "SMART" Goals
("SMART"goals meet the following criteria: Specific, Measurable,Achievable, Realistic, Time-ordered.)
GOAL BY DATE WHO?
1. Identify and initiate discussion with one potential new 2/31/16 Parker
historic district stakeholder group in Southold Town.
2. Create a HPC speakers bureau and create and make available 3/31/16 Harper/Webb
a powerpoint presentation on historic preservation for public
presentations.
3. Arrange for and schedule three public presentations on 4/15/16
'historic preservation. (Rotary clubs, historical societies, etc.)
4.Create and place in Suffolk Times one human interest story 5/15/16
related to historic preservation.
5. Initiate dialogue with Southold Town Board to release 6/30/16
$350,000 in CP Funds for use in incentivizing Landmarking of
private residences."
6. Create and distribute to local print, social and radio media 5 6/30/16
public service announcements about the value of historic
preservation.
6. Create a website, or utilize the Town website,to publicize the 6/30/16
work of the Historic Preservation Commission.
7. Create a "Preservation/Restoration of the Year Award" to be 9/30/16
presented annually.
8. Create and organize an annual distinguished lecturer 10/31/16
program to highlight the value of historic preservation.
9. Research the role of historic preservation in Southold Town's 6130116
Master Plan and advise the Town Board on incorporating
historic preservation in the future.
EWW:Microsoft word/documents:HPC SMART GOALS 2016