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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1000-15.-3-3 ®f SOut - OFFICE LOCATION: �� 4 ®� - MAILING ADDRESS: • Town Hall Annex �� O P.O.Box 1179 54375 State Route 25 41 . Southold, NY 11971 (cor.Main Rd. &Youngs Ave.) G • . Telephone: 631 765-1938 Southold, NY 11971 � �� eN. �l-00111411,%`"V LOCAL WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION PROGRAM TOWN OF SOUTHOLD MEMORANDUM To: John Bredemeyer, President Town of Southold Board of Trustees From: Mark Terry, Principal Planner LWRP Coordinator Date: July 20, 2015 Re: Local Waterfront Coastal Consistency Review for GREG &CAROL KARAS SCTM# 1000-15-3-3 Patricia C. Moore, Esq. on behalf of GREG & CAROL KARAS requests an Administrative Amendment to Wetland Permit#8334 to construct an 8'x13' platform at grade 3' landward of the landing. Located: 135 Soundview Road, Orient. SCTM# 15-3-3 The proposed actions have been reviewed to Chapter 268, Waterfront Consistency Review of the Town of Southold Town Code and the Local Waterfront Revitalization Program (LWRP) Policy Standards. Based upon the information provided on the LWRP Consistency Assessment Form submitted to this department, as well as the records available to me, it is my recommendation that the proposed action is CONSISTENT with the Policy Standards and therefore is CONSISTENT with the LWRP. A 5' wide vegetated buffer was required in 7719 and 7719C. The deck is less than 200 square feet and landward of the top of bluff. Pursuant to Chapter 268, the Board of Trustees shall consider this recommendation in preparing its written determination regarding the consistency of the proposed action. Cc: Lori Hulse, Assistant Town Attorney JUL 1 3 2015 . Town of Southold LWRP CONSISTENCY ASSESSMENT FORM Southold Town Planning Board A. INSTRUCTIONS 1. All applicants for permits*including Town of Southold agencies,shall complete this CCAF for proposed actions that are subject to the Town of Southold Waterfront Consistency Review Law, This assessment is intended to supplement other information used by a Town of Southold agency in making a determination of consistency.*Except minor exempt actions including Building Permits and other ministerial permits not located within the Coastal Erosion Hazard Area. 2, Before answering the questions in Section C,the preparer of this form should review the exempt minor action list,policies and explanations of each policy contained in the Town of Southold Local Waterfront Revitalization Program.A proposed action will be evaluated as to its significant beneficial and adverse effects upon the coastal area(which includes all of Southold Tom). 3. If any question in Section C on this form is answered"yes",then the proposed action may affect the achievement of the LWRP policy standards and conditions contained in the consisteticy-review law.Thus,the action should be analyzed in more detail and,if necessary,modified prior to making a determination that it is consistent to the maximum extent practicable with the LWRP policy standards and conditions.If an action cannot be certified as consistent with the LWRP policy standards and conditions,it shall not be undertaken. A copy of the LWRP is available in the following places:online at the Town of Southold's website (southokit.own.n&rthfork.Iiet),the Board of Trustees Office,the Planning Department,all local libraries and the Town Clerk's office. B. DESCRIPTION OF SITE AND PROPOSED AC I S \ SCTM# 1000-15-3-3 b_64 AGENT: Patricia C..Moore Esp. The Application has been submitted to(check appropriate respon•-): Town Board ❑ Planning Dept. ❑ Building Dept. ❑ Board of Trustees X Zoning Board of Appeals ❑_ 1 Category of Town of Southold agency action(check appropriate response): (a) Action undertaken directly by Town agency(e.g. capital construction,planning activity, agency regulation, land transaction) ❑ (b) Financial assistance(e.g. grant, loan, subsidy) ❑ (c) Permit, approval, license, certification: ❑ Type: Town of Southold LWRP 1 Consistency Assessment Form Nature and extent of action: construct a 8' x 13' platform landward of existing beach stairs and ramn. Location of action: 135 Soundview Road. Orient Site acreage: 1 acre Present land use: house. pool and beach stairs Present zoning classification: r-40 2. If an application for the proposed action has been filed with the Town of Southold agency,the following information shall be provided: (a)Name of applicant: Greg& Carol Karas (b)Mailing address: 8025 Harhorview Terrace.Brooklyn NY 11209 (c)Telephone number: (631 ) 765-4330 (Pat) (d) Application number, if any: , Amend Trustees hermit#8334 Will the action be directly undertaken,require funding, or approval by a state or federal agency? Yes ❑ No ❑ If yes, which state or federal agency: Town of Southold LWRP Consistency Assessment Form 2 DEVELOPED COAST POLICY Policy 1. Foster a pattern of development in the Town of Southold that enhances community character,preserves open space, makes efficient use of infrastructure, makes beneficial use of a coastal location, and minimizes adverse effects of development. See LWRP Section III-Policies; Page 2 for evaluation criteria. Yes X No 0 Not Applicable ❑ Discussion(if appropriate):_prior owners constructed an 8'x 12' platform adiacent to the stairway landin located at the ton of the bluff.which the DEC res nested be relocated away from the ton of the bluff. The beach st.'.- ere e-constructed without the platform and annlicant is ready to construe, a 8' x'13' s latform LANDWARD of the stairs and 3' nlntform. A platform has become a permissible and customary amenity on waterfront narcels. A prior platform existed on the nronerty for 20 years until a permit to reconstruct the existing stairs was requested from the DEC. The DEC required the existing Platform to be stepped back. The owner nostnoned huildin' the platform until the present application. An application to amend Trustees Hermit 8334 is herein submitted. Policy 2. Protect and preserve historic and archaeological resources of the Town of Southold See LWRP Section III-Policies Pages 3 through 6 for evaluation criteria Yes ❑ No ❑ Not Applicable X Discussion (if appropriate): No historic or archeological resources are located on the property Policy 3. Enhance visual quality and protect scenic resources throughout the Town of Southold. See LWRP Section III-Policies Pages 6 through 7 for evaluation criteria Yes ❑ No ❑ Not Applicable X Discussion (if appropriate):_Landward of existing beach stairs and landward of the bluff. NATURAL COAST POLICIES Policy 4. Minimize loss of life, structures, and natural resources from flooding and erosion. See LWRP Section III-Policies Pages 8 through 16 for evaluation criteria Yes ❑ No ❑ Not Applicable X Town of Southold LWRP Consistency Assessment Form 3 Discussion(if appropriate): structure is set back from the ton of the bluff and will have no impact on the bluff. Policy 5. Protect and improve water quality and supply in the Town of Southold. See LWRP Section III-Policies Pages 16 through 21 for evaluation criteria Yes 0 No ❑ Not Applicable X Discussion (if appropriate): _ Policy 6. Protect and restore the quality and function of the Town of Southold ecosystems including Significant Coastal Fish and Wildlife Habitats and wetlands, See LWRP Section III- Policies; Pages 22 through 32 for evaluation criteria. Yes 0 No ❑ Not Applicable X Discussion(if appropriate): Policy 7. Protect and improve air quality in the Town of Southold. See LWRP Section III- Policies Pages 32 through 34 for evaluation criteria. See Section III-Policies Pages; 34 through 38 for evaluation criteria. Yes ❑ No 0 Not Applicable X Discussion(if appropriate): Policy 8. Minimize environmental degradation in Town of Southold from solid waste and hazardous substances and wastes. See LWRP Section III-Policies;Pages 34 through 38 for evaluation criteria, Yes ❑ No 0 Not Applicable X Discussion (if appropriate): PUBLIC COAST POLICIES Policy 9. Provide for public access to, and recreational use of coastal waters,public lands, and public resources of the Town of Southold See LWRP Section III-Policies; Pages 38 through 46 for evaluation criteria. Yes ❑ No ❑ Not Applicable X Discussion (if appropriate): —On private nronerty Town of Southold LWRP Consistency Assessment Form 4 WORKING COAST POLICIES Policy 10. Protect Southold water-dependent uses and promote siting of new water-dependent uses in suitable locations. See LWRP Section III-Policies; Pages 47 through 56 for evaluation criteria. Yes ❑ No ❑ Not Applicable X Discussion (if appropriate): _ - - Policy 11. Promote sustainable use of living marine resources in Long Island Sound, the Peconic Estuary and Town waters. See LWRP Section III-Policies;Pages 57 through 62 for evaluation criteria. Yes ❑ No ❑ Not Applicable X Discussion (if appropriate): Policy 12. Protect agricultural lands in the Town of Southold. See LWRP Section III- Policies;Pages 62 through 65 for evaluation criteria. Yes ❑ No ❑ Not Applicable X Discussion(if appropriate): . Policy 13. Promote appropriate use and development of energy and mineral resources. See LWRP Section III-Policies;Pages 65 through 68 for evaluation criteria. Yes ❑ No ❑ Not Applicable X Discussion(if appropriate): *copy of Town form created on 2/11/06 Town of Southold LWRP Consistency Assessment Form J _ - r John M.Bredemeyer III, President lif�.`Q� oU4y® Town Hall Annex Michael J. DominoVice-President �® `� , :," l® : 54375 Main Road ' 4nAt ` P.O.Box 1179 James F. King,Trustee ` x}4z ' Southold,New York 11971-0959 cn c ` Dave Bergen,Trustee G �° },x' @ � Charles J. Sanders,Trustee �� O 4 . �+ Telephone(631) 765-1892 '� xC;�4 r,n. 1 • lif' Fax(631) 765-6641 =reOUNT`1, V011 - 1. 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Box 1179 54375 State Route 25 • ; AirB" '' , Southold, NY 11971 (cor. Main Rd. &Youngs Ave.) J Southold, NY 11971 �' �01�� Telephone: 631 765-1938 Fax: 631 765-3136 4OOU6�IT`I,Os./ ,, LOCAL WATERFRONT REVITALIZATION PROGRAM TOWN OF SOUTHOLD MEMORANDUM q J/ To: Jim King, President NOV 1 3 2013 Town of Southold Board of Trustees YM f miitt..:.u.::,:t From: Mark Terry, Principal Planner Board a,iri; u,. LWRP Coordinator No JC PA Date: C9tober 1 ,2013 _ ___ _ Re: LWRP Coastal Consistency Review for GREG & CAROL KARAS SCTM#1000-15-3-3 • Patricia C. Moore, Esq. on behalf of GREG & CAROL KARAS requests a Wetland Permit to construct a 15'x25' gunite pool with water feature; extend existing patio approximately 720sq.ft. eastward and up to 75'from top of bluff; construct a 4'x8'x4'6" cedar pool equipment enclosure; landscape a 10' area between pool and property line; install 54" pool fence with gates along edge of patio; replace existing 3'x11' landing and 3'x45' bluff stairs to beach in-kind and in-place. Located: 135 Soundview Road, Orient. SCTM# 15-3-3 The proposed action has been reviewed to Chapter 268, Waterfront Consistency Review of the Town of Southold Town Code and the Local Waterfront Revitalization Program (LWRP) Policy Standards. Based upon the information provided on the LWRP Consistency Assessment Form submitted to this department, as well as the records available to me, it is my recommendation that the proposed actions are CONSISTENT with the LWRP provided: 1. The Board verify that a 5' wide non-turf buffer was installed along the top of bluff as conditioned in permits 7719 and 7719C. Pursuant to Chapter 268, the Board of Trustees shall consider this recommendation in preparing its written determination regarding the consistency of the proposed action. Cc: Lori Hulse, Assistant Town Attorney / oFFO(ked. Peter Young,Chairman ; 4 Town Hall,53095 Main Rd. Lauren Standish,Secretary ,r. P.O.Box 1 179 :d��' � Southold,NY 11971 4' �� / Telephone(631)765-1892 4 Fax(631)765-6641 Conservation Advisory Council Town of Southold At the meeting of the Southold Town Conservation Advisory Council held Wed., October 9, 2013 the following recommendation was made: Moved by William McDermott, seconded by Doug Hardy, it was RESOLVED to SUPPORT the application of GREG & CAROL KARAS to install a 15'X 25' gunite pool, 3.5' to 6' in depth with water feature; extend existing patio up to 75' from top of bluff, 720 sf., 4'X 8'X 4'6" in depth cedar pool enclosure, landscape 10' area between pool and property line and 54' pool fence with gates along edge of patio; replace (permitted) stairs to beach in kind and in place (3'X 45' beach stairs with 3'X 11' landing. Located: 135 Soundview Rd., Orient. SCTM#15-3-3 Inspected by: William McDermott, Doug Hardy The CAC Supports the application, however questions the adequacy of a closed system pool--not requiring a-drywell. The CAC-recommends a drywell to contain the pool backwash. Vote of Council: Ayes: All Motion Carried ..`: IRIS' "T� f '. , .- d_. J•'= : i-'`*nfl "r'p • � ti •`9 'ON ai'• •rtw:,t tri,: ttt f9r ' ' -• ' 'A�tiw:��'�rfv; � ��-yK' ,�' R5- �1 �AR`7t#F.7�`rA�� .���. �Kk�'�i},�- (�' 6 ' f- ' L ' :A. J � .-1 !'''7 Ir�1,i .\��.� r.1 •� mss! �. j ` •. • � dwvuv,•I,YA`. L „F. . ,Tv, .>,. .. ..,. ., a'dH� . .- »,u ..e .. .>,.',t_ .x+.� .. 'M• .. .a ?Aw....ls..-5 _„ ra eeereew,ya ;�� l' ?` ___ .,. --,n_hr . ,,,v,„ BOARD OF SOUTHOLD TOWN TRUSTEES . �``� SOUTHOLD, NEW YORK'- . _ ff:-7 ,41 Iv PERMIT NO. 8334 NOVEMBER 13, 2013 •- ISSUED TO: GREG & CAROL KARAS �� L: . s 2:-;:::: PROPERTY ADDRESS: 135 SOUNDVIEW ROAD, ORIENT . a _1 ',.." ' 17 z SCTM# 15-3-3 ,� AUTHORIZATION I,ip:' ,,,, - C ff,>,,,c b 7 r` 1 r: Pursuant to the provisions of Chapter 275 of the Town Code of the Town of Southold_and in y- accordance with the Resolution of the Board of Trustees adopted at the meeting held•on November 13,2013, ily�,� 4 and in consideration of application fee in the sum of$250:00 paid by Gregory&Carol Karas and subject to the ' 2 Terms and Conditions as stated in the Resolution,the Southold Town Board of Trustees authorizes and permits `` the following: _ . .:.:.:, ( Wetland Permit to construct a 15'x25' unite •pool with water feature; extend _ ; 4' existing patio approximately 720sq.ft. eastward and up to 75' from top of bluff; , construct a 4 x8 x4 6 cedar pool equipment enclosure; landscape a 10 area between �'r g • pool and property line; install 54" pool fence with gates along edge of patio; replace `. `` .?0 existing 3'x11' landing and 3'x45'•bluff stairs to beach in-kind,and in-place,,with the ° g condition of the installation of a drywell for pool backwash and in accordance with c i Chapter 236 of the Town Code-Stormwater Management; and as depicted on the site ), ...1.' '. plan prepared by Green Island Design, received on Septem"ber“1:8,2013 and stamped �� � `z. approved on November•13,2013; and as also'depicted on the'proj'ect'plan prepared by rt, :,;- , PatriciaiC. Moore,Esq., received on September 13,2013 and stamp approved'on ' November 13,2013. f Zorg' 1 _ 1 IN WITNESS WHEREOF,the said Board of Trustees hereby causes its Corporate Seal to be affixed, -"( . • gig and these presents to be subscribed by a majority of the said Board as of this date. �� - v...1 04.„...„,,q ,0,,,,,,,,,,,, , . . Ac.k• . . \ Q.S2_ ... i) __\ _ , ce3 - ft—MrpliAVALiiiro ' A , 7� r .r- n.,rc,�Ct7Ylllf3`. -- 'tSyp,( '"' y'pT:°nrnr�.imM::,.i ..v.rn .•rr: ..r r, vm..n.,. _ R:.�.nc.. . 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