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OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK •
SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
REGULAR MEETING
November 4, 2015
7:00 PM
A Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board was held Wednesday,November 4, 2015 at the
Meeting Hall, Southold, NY.
Call to Order
7:00 PM Meeting called to order on November 4, 2015 at Meeting Hall, 53095 Route 25,
Southold,NY.
Attendee Name Organization Title Status Arrived
Robert Ghosio Town of Southold Councilman Present
James Dinizio Jr Town of Southold Councilman Present
William P. Ruland Town of Southold Councilman Present
Jill Doherty Town of Southold Councilwoman Present
Louisa P. Evans Town of Southold Justice Present
Scott A. Russell Town of Southold Supervisor Present
I. Reports
1. Special Projects Coordinator Monthly Report
2. Department of Public Works Monthly Report
3. Building Department Report Summary
4. Town Clerk Quarterly Report
II. Public Notices
1. Southold Trustees
Southold Town Board Meeting page 2
November 4, 2015
III. Communications
IV. Discussion
1. 9:00 Am -John Shack, President of Southold Rotary
2. 9:15 Am -Norm Reilly, Southold Town Fire Chiefs Council
3. 9:30 Am -James Garretson, Chair of HPC and Zack Studenroth
4. 9:45 Am - Community Development Block Grant Committee
5. Fund Balance Budget Discussion
6. Follow Up from 10/20/15 - Water Map Amendment Request
7. Cablevision
8. Code Amendment (Set for Public Hearing)
Motion To: Motion to Enter Executive
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby Enter into Executive Session
at 11:05 AM for the purpose of discussing the following matters:
RESULT: ADOPTED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Louisa P. Evans, Justice
SECONDER:William P. Ruland, Councilman
AYES: Ghosio, Dinizio Jr, Ruland, Doherty, Evans, Russell
9. EXECUTIVE SESSION - Labor- Matters Involving Employment of Particular Person(S)
Motion To: Motion to Exit Executive
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby Exit/Recess from this
Executive Session at 12:50 PM.
RESULT: ADOPTED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Louisa P. Evans, Justice
SECONDER:William P. Ruland, Councilman
AYES: Ghosio, Dinizio Jr, Ruland, Doherty, Evans, Russell
Pledge to the Flag
Opening Statements
Supervisor Russell
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Please rise and join in the Pledge of Allegiance. Thank you. Would
anyone like to comment on any of the agenda items? Any of the specific items, please feel free?
(No response)
Southold Town Board Meeting page 3
November 4, 2015
V. Resolutions
2015-885
CATEGORY: Audit
DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk
Approve Audit
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby approves the audit dated
November 4, 2015.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-885
ll Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated
Yes/Aye . No/Nay . Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
Robert Ghosio Seconder; p • 0 0 ❑
❑ Withdrawn
❑ Supervisor's Appt James Dinizio Jr . Voter 0 1 0 0 0
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt William P Ruland Voter ❑ ❑ 0 0
❑ Rescinded Jill Doherty Voter ll ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans ; Mover . 8 . 0 0 . ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A.Russell Voter El 0 0 0
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2015-886
CATEGORY: Set Meeting
DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk -
Next Town Board Meeting
RESOLVED that the next Regular Town Board Meeting of the Southold Town Board be held,
Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at the Southold Town Hall, Southold, New York at 4:30 P. M.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-886
El Adopted
Adopted as Amended Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Defeated -
Robert Ghosio Seconder; O 0 ❑ ❑
❑ Tabled
James Dinizio Jr . Voter l ❑ ❑ 0
❑ Withdrawn :
William P Ruland • V• oter p 0 ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt .
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Voter O 0 0 0
❑ Rescinded Louisa P Evans 1 M• over ' O ❑ 0 ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Scott A.Russell . Voter 0 ❑ 0 0
•
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt
❑ No Action
Southold Town Board Meeting page 4
November 4, 2015
❑ Lost
2015-887
CATEGORY: Budget Modification
DEPARTMENT: Supervisor
Financial Impact
Financial Impact:
Additional Appropriation for Anti-Bias Task Force
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the 2015 General
Fund Whole Town budget as follows:
From:
A.1990.4.100.100 Unallocated Contingencies $167.00
Total $167.00
To:
A.1010.4.600.775 Anti-Bias Task Force $167.00
Total $167.00
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-887 -.
❑ Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated
❑ Tabled Yes/Aye I No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Withdrawn Robert Ghosio Voter 0 ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt James Dinizio Jr Mover 0 ❑ 0 1 0
❑ Tar Receiver's Appt William P Ruland Voter i 0 0 0 ❑
o Rescinded Jill Doherty ' Voter 0I 0 0 ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Seconder 0 0 0 1 0
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A.Russell Voter I 0 I ❑ 0 0
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2015-888
CATEGORY: Budget Modification
DEPARTMENT: Highway Department
2015 Budget Modification -Highway
Financial Impact:
Southold Town Board Meeting page 5
November 4, 2015
.To cover over drawn budget lines •
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the 2015 Highway
Budget as follows:
From:
A.5010.1.100.100 Superintendent of Highways
Full-time Regular Earnings $19,000
A.5010.1.100.200 Superintendent of Highways
Full-time Overtime Earnings 9,940
Total $28,940
To:
A.5010.1.100.300 Superintendent of Highways
Full-time Vacation Earnings $ 8,435
A.5010.1.100.400 Superintendent,of Highways
Full-time Sick Earnings 20,505
Total $28,940.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-888 •
Il Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated • Yes/Aye ' No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
❑ Withdrawn Robert Ghosio Voter El 0 0 ❑
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❑ Supervisor's Appt James Dinizio Jr Voter 1 El ❑ 0 0
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt William P Ruland I.Seconder El 0 ❑ 0
❑ Rescinded Jill Doherty M• over 1 El 0 1 0 1 0
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans 1 V• oter _ El ❑ 0 0
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A.Russell Voter 1 0 0 0
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2015-889
CATEGORY: Authorize to Bid
DEPARTMENT: Solid Waste Management District
Landfill Groundwater/Gas Monitoring
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs the
Solid Waste Coordinator to develop a Request For Proposals (RFP) for conducting groundwater
and gas monitoring around the Cutchogue landfill as required by NYSDEC Part 360 Regulations,
and further authorizes and directs the Town Clerk to advertise notice of said RFP as per Town
bid and procurement guidelines.
I Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-889
El Adopted Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
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Southold Town Board-Meeting • page 6
November 4, 2015
❑ Adopted as Amended Robert Ghosio Voter ll ❑- ❑ ❑
❑ Defeated James Dinizio Jr Voter I1 0 0 ❑
❑ Tabled William P Ruland Mover j ❑ 0 ❑
❑ Withdrawn •Jill Doherty Voter ll ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt Louisa P Evans Seconder ll 0 0 0
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Scott A.Russell Voter I ❑ 0 ❑
❑ Rescinded
-
❑ Town Clerk's Appt •
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2015-890
CATEGORY: Employment-FIFD
DEPARTMENT: Accounting
Accept Hearing Recommendation & Terminate Employment
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ratifies and approves the
resolution of the Fishers Island Ferry District adopted October 23, 2015 that accepts the hearing
officer's recommendation as modified regarding employee # 48530 and terminates said
employee effective October 12, 2015.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-890
El Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
❑ Withdrawn Robert Ghosio Seconder a 0 0 0
❑ Supervisor's Appt James Dinizio Jr Voter ll 0 ❑ 0
•❑ Tax Receiver's Appt William P Ruland Voter l ❑ ❑ 0
❑ Rescinded Jill Doherty Voter 11 0 0 ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Mover p ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A:Russell Mover El ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
•
2015-891
CATEGORY: Attend Seminar
DEPARTMENT: Assessors
Caggiano to Seminar
Southold Town Board Meeting page 7
November 4, 2015
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants permission to Richard
L. Caggiano to attend two (2) courses on Basic Appraisal Principals and Basic Appraisal
Procedures at the American Real Estate School in Hauppauge on December 1 — 15 and
December 15 - 22, 2015. All expenses for the courses to be a legal charge to the 2015 budget
(meetings and seminars). Travel to be by Town Vehicle.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-891
a Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
O Defeated
Yes/Aye No/Nay i Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled •
❑ Withdrawn Robert Ghosio Mover 1 a 0 0 0
❑ Supervisor's Appt James Dinizio Jr Voter i 0 0 0 • 0
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt William P Ruland 1 Voter l 0 0 0
❑ Rescinded Jill Doherty ; Voter I El 0 0 0
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Seconder: El 0 0 ' 0
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt _ Scott A.Russell I Voter ' E 0 0 0
❑ No Action •
❑ Lost
2015-892
CATEGORY: Contracts, Lease&Agreements
DEPARTMENT: Town Attorney
Nfawl
WHEREAS, the Town of Southold and the North Fork Animal Welfare League, Inc. (NFAWL) •
entered into an Agreement for the management of the Town Animal Shelter, which by its term
was set to expire on May 31, 2015, and
WHEREAS, the Town and NFAWL have been engaged.in negotiating the terms of a new
agreement and have previously executed memorandums of understanding extending the terms of
the agreement to allow the negotiations to continue, it is therefore
RESOLVED, the Town Board of the Town of Southold-hereby authorizes and directs Supervisor
Scott A. Russell to execute a memorandum of understanding between the Town of Southold and
the NFAWL extending the terms of the Agreement for the management of the Town of Southold
Animal Shelter to December 31, 2015 to allow both parties sufficient time to negotiate the terms
of a new Agreement.
I Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-892
El Adopted Yes/Aye No/Nay . Abstain Absent
O Adopted as Amended Robert Ghosio ' Voter . ❑ ❑ 0 •
❑ Defeated James Dinizio Jr Mover El 0 0 0
O Tabled William P Ruland Seconder! El 0 0 0
O Withdrawn Jill Doherty Voter El 1 0 0 0
Southold Town Board Meeting page 8
November 4, 2015
❑ Supervisor's Appt Louisa P Evans ' Voter El 1 0 0 1 0
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Scott A.Russell Voter 1 l • 0 ❑ 0
❑ Rescinded
❑ Town Clerk's Appt
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2015-893
CATEGORY: Contracts, Lease&Agreements
DEPARTMENT: Fishers Island Ferry District
FIFD Work on the MU Vessel
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby rescinds resolution# 2015-
871, adopted at the October 20, 2015 regular Town Board meeting, which read as follows:
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ratifies and approves the
resolution of the Fishers Island Ferry District Board of Commissioners dated October 12, 2015
regarding repairs to the MU vessel.
I Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-893
El Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated •
❑ Tabled Yes/Aye ' No/Nay ! Abstain Absent
,...._..
❑ Withdrawn Robert Ghosio Voter a 0 0 0
❑ Supervisor's Appt James Dinizio Jr 1 Voter El ❑ 0 0
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt William P Ruland Seconder: El 0 1 0 0
❑ Rescinded Jill Doherty i Mover I ! 0 0 1 0
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans IVoter El 0 0 0
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A.Russell ! Voter I El 0 0 0
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2015-894
CATEGORY: Budget Modification
DEPARTMENT: Solid Waste Management District
SWMD Budget Mods
Financial Impact.
Southold Town Board Meeting page 9
November 4, 2015
For purchase of rubber edge for Volvo payloader bucket at 5%discount; additional paper shred day;
additional shipment of shrink wrap plastic;fund following overdrawn lines: safety supplies,
unemployment insurance, transfers to health plan.
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the 2015 Solid
Waste Management District budget as follows:
From:
SR 8160.4.100.400 Welding Supplies $ 50
SR 8160.4.100.551 Maint/Supply CAT 966 Loader 1,640
SR 8160.4.400.836 Single Stream Trucking 1,815
SR 9010.8.000.000 NYS Retirement Benefits 4,650
Total $8,155
To:
SR 8160.4.100.130 Safety Supplies $ 50
SR 8160.4.100.552 Maint/Supply Volvo Loader 1,640
SR 8160.4.400.821 Plastic Trucking 500
SR 8160.4.400.870 Paper Shredding Services 1,315
SR 9050.8.000.000 Unemployment Insurance Benefits 3,500
SR 9901.9.000.000 Transfers to Health Plan 1,150
Total $8,155
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-894 -
ll Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated — — — — ---...__--.-----..__.._._..._.__._....__._.._...._....__....__._...._..._....-.__—.- .._.. .._._...._._...___._...._..._.. .._.._...__.. .
j Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled •
❑ Withdrawn Robert Ghosio ' Voter 0 0 0 0
-
❑ Supervisor's Appt James Dinizio Jr j Voter I El 0 0 ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt William P Ruland Mover i 0 0 0 ❑
❑ Rescinded Jill Doherty ! Voter . E 0 0 ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Seconder O 0 0 ❑
❑ Supt I Igwys Appt Scott A.Russell i Voter 0 0 j ❑ 0
o No Action
O Lost
2015-895
CATEGORY: Budget Modification
DEPARTMENT: Police Dept
Police Department-Budget Modification
Financial Impact _
Reallocation of fundi:to cover over expended budget lines •
Southold Town Board Meeting page 10
November 4, 2015
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the 2015 General
Fund Whole Town budget as follows:
From:
A.3020.1.100.500 Public Safety Comm/Holiday Earnings $10,000.00
A.3120.1.300.100 Police,P.S./Seasonal Empl/Reg Earnings 2,000.00
A.3120.4.600.250 Police,C.E./FI Const. Training 500.00
A.3130.1.300.100 Bay Constable/Seasonal Empl/Reg Earnings 300.00
Total $12,800.00
To:
A.3020.1.100.200 Public Safety Comm/OT Earnings. $10,000.00
A.3120.1.300.200 Police,P.S./Seasonal Empl/OT Earnings 2,000.00
A.3120.4.600.300 Police,C.E./Travel Reimbursement " 500.00
A.3130.1.300.200 Bay Constable/Seasonal Empl/OT Earnings 300.00
Total $12,800.00
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-895
l Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled . •
❑ Withdrawn Robert Ghosio ; Seconder; E T. 0 1 0 0
❑ Supervisor's Appt James Dinizio Jr Voter E 0 ❑ 0
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt William P Ruland Voter j E 0 ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Jill Doherty Voter IE 0 • 0 0
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Mover El 0 j ❑ 0
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A.Russell 1 Voter i E 0 ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
0 Lost
2015-896-
CATEGORY: Contracts, Lease&Agreements
DEPARTMENT: Town Attorney
HRC- Taylor Air Contract
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs
Supervisor Scott A. Russell to execute the Service Agreement between the Town of Southold
and Taylor-Air Inc. in connection with maintenance and cleaning of all refrigeration systems at
the Human Resource Center, for a term of one year at a cost of$1,810.68, subject to the approval
of the Town Attorney.
Southold Town Board Meeting page 11
November 4, 2015
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-896
Lel Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled .
❑ Withdrawn Robert Ghosio Mover El, 0 I 0•
❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt James Dinizio Jr Voter ! ll ❑ 0 0
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt William P Ruland Voter 1 a ❑ 0 ❑
❑ Rescinded Jill Doherty ' Voter ll 0 0 0
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Seconder ll 0 ❑ 0
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A.Russell ' Voter El 0 0 0
•
❑ No Action
O Lost
2015-897
CATEGORY: Contracts, Lease&Agreements
DEPARTMENT: Town Attorney
Uniform Rental DSW
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs
Supervisor Scott A. Russell to execute the Standard Uniform Rental Service Agreement Renewal
in connection with the Town's purchase of uniforms for the Solid Waste District employees,
subject to the approval of the Town Attorney.
I Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-897
El Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended '
❑ Defeated •_._.__..
Yes/Aye No/Nay , Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
❑ Withdrawn Robert Ghosio Voter • El 0 0 0
❑ Supervisor's Appt James Dinizio Jr Mover E ❑ 0 0
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt William P Ruland, [ Seconder. El 0 ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Jill Doherty i Voter i El 0 0 ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Voter 1 p ❑ 0 j 0
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A.Russell Voter El 0 0 0
❑ No Action
O Lost
2015-898
CATEGORY: Refund
DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk
Southold Town Board Meeting page 12
November 4, 2015
Various Clean Up Deposits
WHEREAS the following groups have supplied the Town of Southold with a Clean-up Deposit
fee in the amount of$250.00, for their events and
WHEREAS the Southold Town Police Chief, Martin Flatley, has informed the Town Clerk's
office that this fee may be refunded, now therefor be it
RESOLVED that Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes a refund be issued in
the amount of$250.00 to the following:
Name Date Received
Mattituck-Cutchogue Cub Scout Pack 39 10/2/15
PO Box 774
Cutchogue,NY 11935
Bijana Starcevic-Parrish 10/19/15
315 Court Street, #2
Brooklyn,NY 11231
Cystic Fibrosis Foundation 4/24/15
6931 Arlington Road
Bethesda, MD 20814
Mattituck Presbyterian Church 9/3/15
PO Box 1411
Mattituck,NY 11952
Cutchogue,New Suffolk Historical Council 9/4/15
Po Box 714
Cutchogue, NY 11935 •
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-898
RI Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated — ._...
Yes/Aye No/Nay i Abstain Absent ,
❑ Tabled _
❑ Withdrawn Robert Ghosio 1 Voter R ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt James Dinizio Jr Voter 0 0 0 0
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt William P Ruland Seconder: O ❑ 0 0
❑ Rescinded Jill Doherty Mover _ El 0 0 1 0
Cl Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Voter 0 0 0 0
O Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A.Russell ! Voter . a 0 0 0
❑ No Action
O Lost
Southold Town Board Meeting page 13
November 4, 2015
2015-899
CATEGORY: Attend Seminar .
DEPARTMENT: Human Resource Center
Permission to Attend Caregivers'Conference
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants permission.to Jean
Delorme, Adult Day Care Supervisor to attend a free Caregivers' seminar on Alzheimer's
Disease and Related Dementias in Stony Brook, on November 20, 2015. All expenses for travel
to be a legal charge to the 2015 Programs for the Aging budget.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-899
l Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
0 Defeated = ._.._.._..._. _._.._.
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
0 Tabled
❑ Withdrawn Robert Ghosio •
Voter El 0 0
❑ Supervisor's Appt James Dinizio Jr Voter El 0 0 ❑
El Tax Receiver's Appt William P Ruland Mover ' ll ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Rescinded Jill Doherty Voter ll 0 i 0
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans SeconderEl 0 I 0 ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A.Russell Voter El 0 0 • 0
❑ No Action
❑ Lost •
2015-900
CATEGORY: Budget Modification
DEPARTMENT: Police Dept
Police Department-Budget Modification
Financial Impact:
Reallocation of funds to purchase a new Police Interceptor Sedan for new HP unit. Funds to be
reimbursed by Suffolk County Asset Forfeiture Fund
RESOLVED that Town Board hereby rescinds the resolution previously approved at the
September 8, 2015 board meeting which read as follows:
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the 2015 General
Whole Town Fund budget as follows:
From:
Southold Town Board Meeting. page 14
November 4, 2015
A.1990.4.100.200 Contingent, Police Retirement Reserves $35,000
Total $35,000
To:
A.3120.2.300.100 Police/Equipment/Automobiles $35,000
Total. $35,000
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-900
ll Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated •
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled .
❑ Withdrawn Robert Ghosio Seconder: D ❑ ❑ ❑
. ,.
❑ Supervisor s Appt James Dinizio Jr Voter ll 0 0 0
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt William P Ruland Voter El 0 ❑ 0
❑ Rescinded Jill Doherty ; Voter El . 0 0 0
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Mover 0 0 0 0
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A.Russell Voter , O 0 0 0
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
•
2015-901
CATEGORY: Budget Modification
DEPARTMENT: Police Dept
Police Department-Budget Modification
Financial Impact:
Reallocation of funds with reference to monies received from the Suffolk County D.A.'s office
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby increases the 2015 General
Fund Whole Town budget as follows:
Increase Revenues:
A.2210.80 Suffolk D.A./Equitable Sharing $35,000
Total $35,000
Increase Appropriations:
A.3120.2.300.100 Police/Equipment/Automobiles $35,000
Total - $35,000
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-901
El Adopted
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Adopted as Amended •
❑ Defeated Robert Ghosio Mover El 0 ❑ 0
❑ Tabled James Dinizio Jr ; Voter p . ❑ 0 0
❑ Withdrawn William P Ruland . Voter El ❑ 0 0
❑ Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Voter 121 0 0 0
Southold Town Board Meeting page 15
November 4, 2015
•
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Louisa P Evans Seconder 0 0 0 0
❑ Rescinded Scott A.Russell 1 Voter O ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt.
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2015-902
CATEGORY: Budget Modification
DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk
Records Management Budget Modification
Financial Impact:
Budget Modification is needed to transfer money from Part-Time Employees Regular Earnings to
Seasonal/Temp Employees Regular Earnings
11/04/15 A.1410.1.300.100 Town Clerk Seasonal $2,000 00
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the 2015 General
Fund Whole Town budget as follows:
From:
A.1460.1.200.100 Records Management Part-Time Employees
Regular Earnings
Total $2,000
To:
A.1460.1.300.100 Records Management Seasonal/Temp Employees
Regular Earnings
Total $2,000
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-902
0 Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated ;...
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
❑ Withdrawn Robert Ghosio Voter 0 0 0 0
❑ Supervisor's Appt James Dinizio Jr 1 M• over 0 0 0 0
ID Tax Receiver's Appt William P Ruland V• oter 0 1 0 0 0
ID Rescinded Jill Doherty Voter 0 0 0 0
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Seconder 0 0 0 0
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A.Russell Mover 0 0 ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
O Lost
Southold Town Board Meeting page 16
November 4, 2015 •
2015-903
CATEGORY: Contracts, Lease&Agreements
DEPARTMENT: Recreation
Hire Winter 2016 Recreation Program Instructors
Resolved that the Town Board of the Town of Southold authorize and direct Supervisor
Scott A. Russell to execute an agreement.with the following individuals and businesses for
the Winter 2016 Recreation Programs, all in accordance with the approval of the Town
Attorney. Funding for the instructors listed below has been budgeted for in the Recreation
Department's 2016 Instructor line A.7020.4.500.420.
Thomas Boucher(Guitar.Lessons) $30/hour
Heather Cusack(Herbs for Health/Tea Making) $30/hour
Martha Eagle (Aerobics & Pilates Courses) $35/class
Suzzanne Fokine (Painting Course) $30/hour
Bill Gatz (Youth Basketball) $30/hour
Denise Gillies (Tai Chi) $30/hour
Daniel Gladstone (String Orchestra) $30/hour
Eric Izzo (Youth Basketball) $30/hour
Jennifer Kane (Singing) $30/hour
Rosemary Martilotta(Yoga) $62/class
Judy McCleery (Digital Photography) $30/hour
Lara McNeil (Weight Loss) $30/hour
Linda Nemeth (Watercolor) $30/hour
NF School For Dogs (Dog Obedience Pre-Therapy) $90/person
NF School For Dogs (Dog Obedience Puppy STAR) $70/person
Dr. Jeffrey Poplarski (Golf Fitness) $55/class
Geoffrey Proud (Poetry) $30/hour
R&C Agency Management (CPR Course) $55/person
R&C Agency Management (Defensive Driving) $30/person
Laurie Short (Aerobics) $30/hour
Steve Smith (Weight Training) $55/person
Jocelyn Suglia (Youth Basketball) $30/hour
Lisa Tettelbach (Greeting Cards) $30/hour
Alfonso Triggiani (Ballroom Dancing) $65/person
Christine Watts (Youth Theatre) $30/hour
Adrienne Weber(Crochet) $30/hour
U.S. Coast Guard Auxiliary (Boating - Adults) $50/person; 90/couple
U.S. Coast Guard Auxiliary (Boating - Youth) Volunteer
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-903
D Adopted Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Adopted as Amended
Robert Ghosio Voter O ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Defeated - James Dinizio Jr Voter 11 0 0 0
❑ Tabled William P Ruland Seconder. l
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November 4, 2015
❑ Withdrawn Jill Doherty Mover ' O ! 0 1 O ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt Louisa P Evans Voter lT O ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Scott A.Russell Voter D 0 0 0
O Rescinded
❑ Town Clerk's Appt
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
Comment regarding resolution 903
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Before I move this, I just wanted to say to the public, if
anyone has a talent and wants to teach a class, we have room and they should call the Recreation
Center and offer their services and get a class going. _
2015-904
CATEGORY: Budget Modification
DEPARTMENT: Highway Department
2015 Budget Modification PT Highway
Financial Impact: -
to Cover over extended budget lines
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the 2015 Highway
Fund Part Town budget as follows:
From:
DB.5140.4.400.100 Clean-up debris 10,000.00
DB.5110.4.100.975 Steel 8,000.00
DB.5110.4.400.300 Drainage '7,000.00
DB.5110.1.100.100 General Repairs Regular Earnings 9,000.00
DB.5130.1.100.100 Machinery Regular Earnings 17,022.00
Total 51,022.00
To:
DB.5110.4.100.900 Resurfacing - 25,000.00
DB.5140.1.100.100 Brush & Weed Regular Earnings 9,000.00
DB.5130.1.100.200 Machinery Overtime 16,016.00
DB.5130.1.100.400 Machinery Sick Earnings 1,006.00
Total 51,022.00
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-904 -
El Adopted _ _-.- -. -- __.__. __
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated Robert Ghosio Voter ll 0 0 0
❑ Tabled James Dinizio Jr Voter • ll 0 0 - 0
❑ Withdrawn William P Ruland Mover , El 0 0 0
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November 4, 2015
❑ Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Voter l 0 0 0
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt Louisa P Evans 1 Seconder: ll 0 0 0
❑ Rescinded Scott A.Russell Voter 2 0 0 1 0
❑ Town Clerk's Appt
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
Comments regarding resolution 905
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: 905 is actually a resolution accepting a donation from the Southold
Rotary Club. The Town has expressed an interest and we are under a project now to put
defibrillators in every town building along with first aid kits and Southold Rotary Club was nice
enough to donate the one that is going to be located here in Southold Town Hall. Thank you.
2015-905
CATEGORY: Public Service
DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk
Donation of Defibrillator
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts the donation of
$1300.00 for a defibrillator from the Southold Rotary Club.
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-905
O Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated ——._...._..
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled •
❑ Withdrawn Robert Ghosio Seconder; El
0 ❑ 0
❑ Supervisor's Appt James Dinizio Jr Voter El 0 0 0
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt William P Ruland • Voter El 1 0 0•
❑
❑ Rescinded Jill Doherty Voter El 1 0 ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Mover El • 0 1 0 ❑
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A.Russell Voter El 0 ❑ 0
❑ No Action
O Lost
2015-906
CATEGORY: Grants
DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk
2016 CDBG Program
Southold Town Board Meeting page 19
November 4, 2015
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs
Supervisor Scott A. Russell to sign the Project Description Forms for the 2016 Community
Development Block Grant Program as follows:
Portable Showers for Human Resource Center $5,000
Community Action of Southold Town $5,000
Maureen's Haven $5,000
Renovations & Improvements to Recreation Center $34,164
(new flooring, chairs, tables, etc.)
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-906
ll Adopted -
❑ Adopted as Amended
O Defeated — — .._-- ---.�_ �_T. — —
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Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
❑ Withdrawn Robert Ghosio I Mover RI 0 0 0
❑ Supervisor's Appt James Dinizio Jr Voter RI 0 _ ❑ ❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt William P Ruland Seconder: ❑ 0 0 ❑
13 Rescinded Jill Doherty Voter RI ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Voter I O 0 0 0
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A.Russell ' Voter 8 ❑ _ ❑ ❑
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
Comment regarding resolution 906
COUNCILMAN RULAND: Mr. Supervisor, I am recusing myself from voting on this
resolution as my wife is the executivedirector of Community Action Southold Town.
2015-907
CATEGORY: Budget Modification
DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk
2015 Budget Mod for Marker Signs
Financial Impact.
Move$to Historic Preservation Comm for marker signs
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the General Fund .
Budget Whole Town 2015 budget as follows: •
•
From:
A.1010.4.600.785 Town Board, C.E., Misc.
Southold Town Board Meeting page 20
November 4, 2015
375th Anniversary Committee $1,500.00
To:
A.7520.4.100.200 Historic Preservation Committee
Plaques & Markers $1,500.00
v/Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-907
El Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
❑ Tabled
El Withdrawn Robert Ghosio Voter. ll 0 0 0
❑ Supervisor's Appt James Dinizio Jr Mover _ ll 0 0 0
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt William P Ruland Seconder El 0 0 0
❑ Rescinded Jill Doherty Voter . E 0 0 0
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Voter l 0 0 • 0
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt Scott A.Russell Voter ll 0 0 ❑.
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
2015-908
CATEGORY: Budget Modification -
DEPARTMENT: Town Attorney
2015 Budget Modification- Town Attorney
Financial Impact:
To cover payment of accrued leave for the full-time secretary who left the employ of the Town as of
09/04/15
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the General Fund
Whole Town 2015 budget as follows: •
TO:
A.1420.1.100.200 Town Attorney, Full-Time Employees $ 108.00
,Overtime Earnings
A.1420.1.100.300 Town Attorney, Full Time Employees 1,662.00
Vacation Earnings
A.1420.1.100.400 Town Attorney, Full Time Employees 16,400.00
Sick Earnings
A.1420.4.600.100 Town Attorney, Litigation Expenses 95.00
Total $18,265.00
•
FROM:
A.1420.1-.100.100 Town Attorney, Regular Earnings $18,265.00
Southold Town Board Meeting page 21
November 4, 2015 -
Total $18,265.00
✓Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-908
O Adopted
❑ Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated _.__.��__..___.. ___.____. _...._.�__...__---- —.__ .._..__._ ----...._____..-
Ves/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent •
❑ Tabled ••
❑ Withdrawn Robert Ghosio Voter 0 • 0 ❑ ❑
❑ Supervisor's Appt James Dinizio Jr 1 Voter 0 0 0 ,❑
❑ Tax Receiver's Appt William P Ruland Seconder: j 0 ❑ 0
❑ Rescinded
Jill Doherty Mover El 0 0 0
•
❑ Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P Evans Voter El 0 0 0
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt
Scott A.Russell -Voter E ❑ 0 0
❑ No Action •
O Lost
2015-909
CATEGORY: _Local Law Public Hearing
DEPARTMENT: Town Attorney
PHfor Wetlands Setbacks 12/1/15 7:31 Pm
WHEREAS,there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk
County,New York, on the 4t day of November, 2015, a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in
relation to Amendments to Chapter 275, Wetlands and Shoreline, and Chapter 2801
Zoning, in connection with building or structure setbacks from bulkheads, bluffs and
banks".
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold will hold a public hearing on the
aforesaid Local Law at the Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road, Southold,New York, on the
1St day of December, 2015 at 7:30 p.m. at which time all interested persons will be given an
opportunity to be heard.
The proposed Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments.to Chapter 2751 •
Wetlands and Shoreline, and Chapter 280, Zoning, in connection with building-or structure
setbacks from bulkheads, bluffs and banks" reads.as follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. , 2015
A Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 275, Wetlands
and Shoreline, and Chapter 280, Zoning, in connection with building or structure setbacks
from bulkheads, bluffs and banks" .
BE IT ENACTED-by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
- Southold Town Board Meeting page 22
November 4, 2015
I. Purpose.
The Town Board has determined that there exists in the Town Code certain conflicting
'setbacks for waterfront property. The Town Board finds that in order to create uniformity in the
Code, Chapter 275 and Chapter 280 shall be amended so that waterfront setbacks are'consistent
and duplicative administrative review is reduced.
II. Chapters 275 and 280 of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as
follows:
4275-3.
C. Jurisdiction. The following areas are subject to protection under Chapter 275 of the Code of
Southold.
[Amended 10-11-2005 by L.L. No. 17-2005; 10-9-2012 by L.L. No. 12-2012]
(1) Any freshwater wetland, tidal wetland, beach, bluff, dune, flat, marsh, swamp, wet
meadow, bog, or vernal pool;
(2) Any creek, estuary, stream, pond, canal, or lake;
(3) Land under water;
(4) Land subject to tidal action;
(5) Land within 100 feet of the areas listed above;
(6) All Town waters.
D. Setbacks.
[Amended 10-11-2005 by L.L. No. 17-2005]
(1) The following minimum setbacks apply to any and all operations proposed on residential
property within the jurisdiction of the Board of Trustees:
(a) Wetland boundary.
[1] Residence: 100 feet.
[2] Driveway: 50 feet.
[3] Sanitary leaching pool (cesspool): 100 feet.
[4] Septic tank 75 feet.
[5] Swimming pool and related structures: 50 feet.
[6] Landscaping or gardening: 50 feet.
[7] Placement of C & D material: 100 feet.
(b) Top of bluff.
[Amended 10-9-2012 by L.L. No. 12-2012]
• [1] Residence: 100 feet.
[2] Driveway: 100 feet.
[3] Sanitary leaching pool (cesspool): 100 feet.
[4] Swimming pool and related structures: 50 feet 100 feet.
(2) The Board of Trustees reserves the right to waive or alter these setbacks where site-specific
and/or environmental conditions justify such action.
Southold Town Board Meeting page 23
November 4, 2015
§280-116
•
Notwithstanding any other provisions of this chapter, the following.setback requirements shall
apply to all buildings or structures located on lots adjacent to water bodies and wetlands:
A. Lots adjacent to _ : .:- :, -' - -, _ _- - _ .. : : . : _. . . a bluff or
a bank as defined in Chapter 275 of the Southold Town Code.
(1) All buildings or structures located on lots adjacent to sounds and upon which there
exists a bluff or bank landward of the shore or beach shall be set back not fewer than 100
feet from the top of such bluff or bank.
- . . . .:*. - -- - - - !! - -ordinary high water mark of said sound.
(3) Buildings or structures which are proposed landward of existing principal dwellings.
shall be exempt from the requirements set forth in Subsection A(1)and (2) hereof.
• - -
similar structure exists and which are adjacent to tidal water bodies other than sounds shall be set
- — - - -. - - • - . - ' .•
_ . • - .. - .. .. - - - - - - - - - - - _.. - - -- = -.
Trustees under Chapter 275 , Wetlands and Shoreline, of the Code of the Town of-Southold.
III. SEVERABILITY
If any clause, sentence; paragraph, section, or part of this Local Law shall be adjudged by any
court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the judgment shall,not affect the validity of this law
as a whole or any part thereof other than the part so decided to be unconstitutional or invalid.
IV. EFFECTIVE DATE V
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State as provided
by law.
I Vote Record-Resolution RES-2015-909' "
El Adopted -
❑
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
Adopted as Amended
❑ Defeated • Robert Ghosio Voter p ❑ ❑ ❑
❑ Tabled James Dinizio Jr Voter El 0 0 0
❑ Withdrawn William P Ruland Mover El 0 0 0
❑ Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Seconder - El 0 0 0
Southold Town Board Meeting page 24
November 4, 2015
•
o Tax Receiver's Appt Louisa P Evans Voter El 0 0 0
❑ Rescinded Scott A.Russell Voter 21 0 0 0
❑ Town Clerk's Appt
❑ Supt Hgwys Appt
❑ No Action
❑ Lost
VI. Public Hearings
1. Set 2016 Budget Hearings
History:
11/04/15 Town Board ADJOURNED Next: 11/17/15
RESULT: ADJOURNED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Louisa P. Evans, Justice
SECONDER:William P. Ruland, Councilman
AYES: Ghosio, Dinizio Jr, Ruland, Doherty, Evans, Russell
Comments
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: -Would everyone please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance to the
Flag? Thank you. At this point, there's a copy of the budget outside if anyone hasn't had the
chance to review it. We are looking for any public comment on the budget as proposed.
COUNCILMAN GHOSIO: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the Preliminary Budget and
Preliminary Capital Budget of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York for the fiscal
year beginning on January 1, 2016 has been prepared and'approved by the Southold Town Board
and filed in the Office of the Town Clerk at the Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road,
Southold,New York, where they are available for inspection and where copies may be obtained •
by any interested person during business hours.
FURTHER NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, that the Town Board of the Town of Southold will
meet and review said Preliminary Budget and Preliminary Capital Budget and hold a public
hearing thereon at the Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road, Southold, New York, in said.
Town at 4:00 p.m. and at 7:00 p.m., on Wednesday, November 4, 2015, and at such hearing
any persons may be heard in favor of or against the. 2016 Preliminary Budget and 2016
Preliminary Capital Budget as compiled, or for or against any item or items therein contained.
FURTHER NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that pursuant to Section 108 of the Town Law, the
following are proposed yearly salaries of members of the Town Board, the Town Clerk and the
Superintendent of Highways:
SCHEDULE OF SALARIES FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS
(ARTICLE 8 OF TOWN LAW)
Officer
Southold Town Board Meeting page 25
November 4, 2015
Supervisor $ 104,417
Members of the Town Board,(4) @ $ 34,390
Town Justice & Member of the Town Board, Fishers Island $ 52,443
Town Justices (2) @ $ 70,348
Town Clerk $ 100,612
Superintendent of Highways $ 104,417
Tax Receiver $ 39,256
Assessors=(3) @ $ 75,203
Trustees (5) @ $ 18,991
SUMMARY OF TOWN BUDGET
2016 PRELIMINARY
Appropriations Less. Less.
and Provisions Estimated Unexpended Amount to be
Code Fund for Other Uses Revenues Balance Raised by Tax
A General $ 30,591,587 $ 4,562,808 $ 2,500,000 $ 23,528,779
B General-Outside Village 2,287,486 590,000 206,428
1,491,058
DB Highway Fund 5,942,010 443,580 250,0005,248,430
CD Community Development 49,165 ' 49,165 - -
H3 Community Preservation Fund 12,711,500 6,204,000 -
6,507,500
CS Risk Retention Fund 542,000 542,000 - - -
MS Employees Health Plan - - - -
Total-Town $ 52,123,748 $ 13,596,111 $ 9,544,000 $ 28,983,637
DB1 Orient Road Improvement $ 3,190 $ - $ 440 $ 2,750
District
SF East-West Fire Protection 759,191 285 6,000 752,906
District
SM Fishers Island Ferry District 4,080,900 276,772 803,878
•
3,000,250
SR Solid Waste Manage District 4,138,507 250,000 1,985,807
1,902,700
SS1 Southold Wastewater District - - 17,155 .(17,155)
SS2 Fishers Island Sewer District 31,500 31,500 - -
F I Waste Manage District 614,871 52,150 - 562,721
Orient Mosquito District 88,430 - - 88,430
Subtotal-Special Districts $ 9,716,589 $ 4,986,885 $ 550,367 $ 4,179,337
Orient-East Marion Park District $ 54,000 $ 10,000 $ - $ 44,000
Southold Park District 327,726 - - 327,726
Cutchogue-New Suffolk Park 140,000 - - 140,000
Dist.
Southold Town Board Meeting page 26
November 4, 2015
Mattituck Park District 535,756 _ 34,435 80,930 420,391
Subtotal-Park Districts $ 1,057,482 $ 44,435 $ 80,930 $ 932,117
Fishers Island Fire District $ - $ - $ - $ -
Orient Fire District - - - -
East Marion Fire District 599,337 89,928 - 509,409
Southold Fire District 1,896,950 24,190 - 1,872,760
Cutchogue Fire District 1,389,650 1,000 - 1,388,650
Mattituck Fire District 1,904,854 - - 1,904,854
Subtotal-Fire Districts $ 5,790,791 $ 115,118 $ - $ 5,675,673
Total-All Districts $ 16,564,862 $ 5,146,438 $ 631,297 $ 10,787,127
Grand Totals This Page 68,688,610 00 10,175,297 00 39,770,764 00
18,742,549 00
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Would anyone like to comment?
ROBERT DUNN: Robert Dunn, Peconic. It's not a comment, it's really just a question and
perhaps last night would have been more appropriate time to ask it but I was working at the
Board of Elections. When you do an agenda item and you'll transfer from one budget line to
another, those budget lines don't necessarily appear here in this same wording, correct? They
are more general?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: The budget lines on the detail? Do you have the detailed budget..
JUSTICE EVANS: Our work papers have it.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Yes, it would. Actually, you.should have the accounting....
MR. DUNN: Let me give you a for instance. Let's just say you found out in November you
were running out of money for the police overtime....
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Okay, I see what you are saying.
MR. DUNN: And you transferred money out of another thing...
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: On that budget, no. When I did the tax, when I did the budget
community discussion what I did was I included the budget work papers which breaks it down
line by line but no, that doesn't. For accounting purposes we have, if you look on personnel, it
will be broken down with three or four lines with more specificity but for the budget it isn't. I
can always get you a copy of the work papers which will show you line by line...
MR. DUNN: So there is another kind of...
Southold Town Board Meeting page 27
November 4, 2015
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: It's work papers. Yes, it's the work papers that the Town Board
uses, so we generally, you know, they are work products but I make them available to anybody
that wants them. I will get you one.
COUNCILMAN GHOSIO: Are you talking about in general when we make a budget
modification during the course of the year?
MR. DUNN: Yes, you find something where you come up short.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: We have one on tonight's agenda.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Yes, that would be, when you look at that....
MR. DUNN: I will give you a for instance. You will take money out of Goldsmiths, I know you
set aside a certain amount for that, and you'use it for something else but Goldsmiths never
appears here, I guess it appears on the other item you are talking about. Right?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Goldsmiths would....
MR. DUNN: I am not talking specifically about that, I just know that that's an example.
COUNCILMAN GHOSIO: When we make a budget modification in July, to move money from
place to place...
JUSTICE EVANS: This is not final, this is just what we work from....
COUNCILWOMAN.DOHERTY: Each line item on the budget has its own number.
MR. DUNN: Right.
•
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: So when we are switching out, it might be under the same
department...
MR. DUNN: But those numbers aren't reflected in here, correct?
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: They are on here.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: No, he doesn't have the accounting numbers.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: What he is talking about is like when we do an appropriation from
last year, last year's budget or money that was left over or not.
MR. DUNN: Right.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Oh, okay.
Southold Town Board Meeting page 28
November 4, 2015
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: We don't anticipate switching money in the budget.
MR. DUNN: You can't be exact, I understand.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: I don't think we even anticipate it, we just, if we need money from
one line and want to transfer it to another, we just find a line that's appropriate and transfer it.
We are going to do it tonight -
MR. DUNN: Right. There's two or three....
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Just in the interest of clarity, this is the general budget proposal you
have. We do have a budget work papers that breaks it down line by line...
MR. DUNN: Oh, okay.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: It also shows what we had allocated for 2015, what we have spent
so far and then what we estimate spending.
MR. DUNN: Inaudible. What you will need for 16.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Right.
MR. DUNN: Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Sure. Would anybody else like to address the Town Board on this
proposed budget? (No response) What I do want to quickly cover is, I know you have probably
been reading about it, the Southold Town Board is discussing the prospect of perhaps moving
money back into the budget to bolster the fund balance. It is just a discussion. This current
budget, as it is proposed, does not include any of these changes. What I did was I outlined the
changes for the Board just to give them an understanding of what might happen should the Board
want to put money back into the budget to bolster the fund balance line. And if we were to add
the $250,000 which we took out of the fund balance, if we were to add that back for the highway
fund, the increase on the tax rate would be .86 percent which would develop an overall tax rate
of 2.16. The current budget that is subject to this hearing actually calls for a 1.3, so it would go
from a 1.3 percent to a 2.16. If we added $500,000 to just highway, the overall tax increase
would go to 3.01. If we, instead of adding it to highway, added it to the general fund of the
town, if we added $500,000, the overall tax increase would be about a 2.93 %. It comes at a
little less than if we added the $500 to just highway because the general fund of the town has
larger assessed value than the highway fund because the highway fund excludes the Village of
Greenport. So when you are taking the same amount of money and you are splitting up less
assessment, the rate would go up higher. Those are some of the things we talked about as to
what we are going to do as a Board. I know we discussed it today. the Board is going to have to,
I guess they are going to ponder it and then make decisions on the 17th. If we had to do
something, if we do something it would have to be done by the 17`", prior to the adoption of the
budget.
Southold Town Board Meeting page 29
November 4, 2015
MR. DUNN: If you have to do it, you have to do it. I don't have a problem with it. When you
go over the 2 %....
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: No, the way the 2 % is calculated and this is another thing, the
overall tax rate, to complicate things, would actually go down still. There's a separate line on
your tax bill, I believeit might say Article 7, Suffolk County Real Property tax law, I haven't
seen my tax bill in a while but it's one of the bottom lines. That is the amount of money that gets
reimbursed by Suffolk County each year to property owners who are successful in grieving their
taxes, so they get a reduction in assessment. Generally the taxes are paid in advance of that
reduction. They get a refund. Sometimes the refund could be for the past two, three, four years,
depending on the case. All of that money is paid out by Suffolk County. They collect it back in
that line when the tax bill goes out each December. So Suffolk County makes itself whole by
extending that. For tax cap purposes, that gets factored into the town tax rate. So the reduction,
it substantially increased last year, very unique settlement. Went from about a little over one
million dollars to 2.3, 2.4 million in one year. This year it actually went down to about
$954,000. So theoretically, by reducing that line that much, the town is removed that much from
spending, even though it really hasn't. The consequence of the tax line is that we get held
accountable when the number goes up, even though it is beyond the control of the Board but at
the same time and with all due candor, we get credit for it when it goes down even though, again,
it is outside our aegis. But because that line went down about 60 % this year, when you factor
that back into the tax rate, the overall tax rate goes down substantially which allows us to raise
actually the town taxes, we could actually raise them to about 5.82 % and still be under the cap.
In fact we would still be under the cap by just a little bit. Not that I am proposing that, so please
do not misconstrue the fact that I want to raise taxes 5 % after an election, that isjust simply not
true despite some probably accusing me of that. Anybody else? (No response)
2016 Budget Hearing
7:00 PM
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: At this point, would anyone like to come up and comment on any of •
the proposed budget items?
PETER HARRIS: Good evening everybody. First of all, congratulations to everybody in the
elections. I am here tonight to bring up a, ask a question, the fact that I would,personally, like to
see the Town Board in the Highway Department, their operating budget, under general repairs,
DB5110, there is a line for paving. The town receives over $420,000 from the State of New
York through the CHIPS program. I personally feel, having been the prior superintendent and
that the Town should mirror the State's allotment for resurfacing of roads matching, I mean, I
believe and please correct me if I am wrong, this year the town had budgeted $175,000 originally
in resurfacing: Years ago, $175,000 went a long way. In 2015, $175,000 doesn't go far at all. I
feel that the town relies a tremendous amount on what we receive from New York State and this
year I believe they got an additional $63,000 because and not just Southold, every township in
the State of New York because it was such a terrible winter and an adverse effect on our roads
and with what is allocated through the state and what you have in the general repairs budget, you
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never are going to catch up. I mean, there's over 400 miles of road, multiply that by 2, there's
over 400 lane miles of road and I just feel that Superintendent Orlando, they have resurfaced a
fair amount of roads but it's really, it's a drop in the bucket what still needs to be done. And for
$400,000 over the course of your entire budget, from where I am standing on this side of the
microphone, $400,000 is a drop in the bucket. That your road system in this town is one of your
major things that we own and we are responsible for the safety and well-being of the traveling
public, so from citizen Pete Harris speaking, $400,000 compared to $400,000 from the state just
to minor that contribution that gives the Superintendent of Highways that $800,000 a year
amount of money to spend to upgrade our roads. Thank you very much.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: You are right, Pete. Just for this year, the budget that is being
proposed, we had actually allocated outright $250,000 plusin talking to Ken LaValle I was able
to get another $250,000 plus CHIPS, at least for the following year but your suggestion is
something we probably should have been doing all along.
MR. HARRIS: Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you, Pete. Would anyone else like to address the Town
Board on the budget? (No response) Okay, what I should again is explain the fund balance
discussion we had today, that way it's on camera. Go ahead, Bob.
ROBERT DUNN: I don't know if this is really appropriate for the budget but it's about income.
We ordered the windrow turner, has been ordered or is being ordered, I am sure there is going to
be some legal stuff. Regardless of that, the product that is made there I think is very good and it
sold for a penny and a half per pound, there is a company called Hamptons something and they
produce out of Yaphank basically the same product that I saw sold in a bag in Waldbaum's for
$9. I think it was about 30 pounds, which would be 100 times what we are getting for it and I
was just going to suggest as a point of income, we consider bagging it and selling it in a bag. I
think it would be foolhardy....
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I would agree. It's compelling, several years ago under a different
Town Board, Bill, were you on it at the time? We were proposing to buy a bagging machine
and we had actually bought a building to house the building machine. We ran into some
problems with regard to OSHA, concerns on the part of the union, ventilation, all of those things.
Also, the building itself, we came in substantially higher. Just...
MR. DUNN: We have a building that we used to use for three separate recycling, we doubled,
Inaudible, that we are not fully using as well as we could.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: That's a fair point. I am just trying to remember what building that
is.
COUNCILMAN RULAND: The best way to describe the whole situation is between a rock and
a hard place. There were two options, the Town could purchase the equipment and bag the
material themselves, we ran into substantial union problems. Then we said the other option is we
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will have an outside contractor come, bag whatever you want, 10,000 bags, no, because the
union has rights to the work that they didn't want to do.
MR. DUNN: Why wouldn't the union want to do it?
COUNCILMAN RULAND: They never really said.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I am not so sure they weren't willing to, they wanted to make sure
that first of all, we would not hire more people to have appropriate personnel and then when you
start factoring personnel costs versus profit margins, it gets tight. It's very expensive to hire new
help.
MR. DUNN: Agreed. You would need to do it with the staff that you have.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Well, that wasn't going to be likely in that environment, in that
scenario. Things have changed a little bit down there, it's probably a subject for discussion we
can have now.
MR. DUNN: Even if you turned out and made a deal and said, we get four guys in on Saturday
and bag stuff
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I think this is a discussion we should have, it's a good idea. The one
thing I would say...
MR. DUNN: Let me just ask you something, I will give you questions for, I am talking more the
marketing side of, who in this town, retail, would want to be selling something called Hamptons
when they could have something called Southold when they do business in Southold?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I agree. I agree. One thing we haven't done well is market, it is a
good product...
MR. DUNN: A very good product but people don't want to go and fill their trunk but they do
want to, I mean you could have a stack of them at the dump and like-I say, some of the landscape
stores I am sure would be happy to carry the product. They have to carry a product and why not
that product as opposed to somebody else's?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Well ironically, some of our landscapers are paying wholesale
prices from us and then turning around and charging retail prices....
MR. DUNN: That's fine, that's their game and they will continue to do it.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: That's right.
MR. DUNN: The other thing I was going to say, as some of you know, I was in the-construction
business, one other way. I kept people happy on the job, I was usually a supervisor in one
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capacity or another, one of the ways I kept guys happy on the job was I kept a mungo pile, scrap,
and most of the guys didn't even know what it was for but at some point in the job, everybody
would get a little check. I watched our metal pile, we sell our metal as mixed metal which is the
lowest price you can get and again, I mean, if somebody spent an hour a day there with a magnet
and a couple of 50 gallon barrels and just took the good stuff and just put it aside and we sold it
for its full values because somebody is making a lot of money on that. I mean if you go there on
any weekend towards the end of the summer and see how many aluminum chairs we end up
selling for mixed metal, it's just, my grandfather told me something very early, watch your
nickels kids. They add up.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: You are right.
MR. DUNN: And I know, if it was $5,000 here and $8,000 here, well, maybe you would have
more money for asphalt. Just a point.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I just want to quickly let everyone know about the fund balance
discussion we had today, I know it has been reported. Basically the current budget does not
include any changes, the proposed tax rate of 1.3% which was part of the preliminary budget, is
still intact. What we did was discuss the fund balance, although it is still very healthy, when you
see trends, when balances start to get reduced from year to year, you need to discuss it to see if
there's some action that needs to be taken to counteract that. You are all aware of$250,000 we
pulled out of the fund balance this year to cover asphalting, there was a discussion as to whether
we should restore that in next year's budget. If we were to restore that money, it would result in
a tax increase of.86 % added to the 1.3, so it would be a total overall tax increase of 2.16%. if
we were to add $500,000 which is $250,000 plus a reasonable cushion, it would have an impact
on the tax rate of adding 1.71% which would have an overall tax increase of 3.01. Remember
those are in the context of the 1.3% that is being proposed. We could add the fund, instead of
directly to highway, we could add it into the general fund wholetown because that's a larger
assessment picture, that's a larger assessed value than the highway department, the impacts
would be a little bit less. Adding $500,000 would increase the tax rate about 1.63% with an
overall tax rate of about 2.93%. Just to put it in perspective to people, if we added as much as a
$1,000,000 to the general fund, that would result in an overall tax increase of 4.56%. And I am
going to repeat what I said today, nobody is proposing adding $1,000,000 back to the budget and
raising taxes 4.56%. I am just trying to illustrate what the impacts are when we manage the fund
balance. The way the property tax cap works is it doesn't just calculate what the increase of the
tax rate is for the town portion but rather the performance of other taxes that are located on the
tax bills. One of the lines is called what people probably see as Article 7 line, it says Article 7
RBTL, something along those lines. That is the amount of money that gets refunded to taxpayers
each year that are successful in reducing their assessments. It gets reimbursed directly from
Suffolk County, then Suffolk County collects that money back in that next tax cycle. Basically
they keep themselves whole by paying the money out now, then taking it back later as part of
that tax line. There was a substantial increase last year because of a unique settlement, that
number has gone down quite a bit this year, something like $1.3 million plus. Theoretically that
gives the town the ability to spend up to $1.3 million for general fund purposes and still come in
compliant with the tax cap. Again, no one is suggesting that we spend $1.3 million but it does
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provide room in the cap and the Town Board has to think about if we have a fund balance that
we are not restoring and then we have to think about consequences down the road what might
happen. We might find ourselves in a situation where the fund balance is so tight, we can't
appropriate any over to a new budget, in which case we would have to pierce the cap in a future
year. if you pierce the cap, you have concerns about next year is the third year of a tax credit
rebate through New York State that would possibly jeopardize the rebate that is due property
owners, if towns comply with the cap. The consequences of adding to the tax rate right now
particularly when they are nominal amounts would be far less at cost to the homeowners then
were we to let the tax cap get pierced and people lose that credit. I am not saying we have to
pierce the cap, I am just saying it's something we need to keep an eye on. The fund balance is
very important to the town and we have to think about making sure that we either maintain it at
its very healthy, current level or at least making it grow a little bit back to previous levels. There
was something else I wanted to say, like I said, the balance itself right now is very healthy but
we want to consider future impacts.
MR. DUNN: Inaudible.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Well, because we have so much room and still comply with the cap
this year, we might want to consider making adjustments now to have the money in there to
make up for a year where we probably don't have as much room. The one thing I would say is a
lot of these weren't factored in the budget. I sit down and do the budget. I collect all the budget
requests from the department heads in July, they are generally using information they have up
until the end of the second quarter, how much money they spent through the 30th of June, maybe
a little bit later. I sit down, I take those budgets the end of July, I sit down with the department
heads each in August, so in some instances, department heads simply are just unaware yet of
how much they are going to need as they move later in the year. We try to predict as best we can
but because we weren't discussing the shortage in asphalt, that came tome in October, I wasn't
able to account for it in the budget. I take the budget that is submitted by the department head
and assume that includes all factors. In this instance, there were unique storm related costs that
needed to be accounted for. However, that is a discussion the board is going to have. And if
anybody has questions about it or simply doesn't understand it because I know when you talk
about tax cap, you tend to lose a lot of people. I have been studying it for five years now and I
still have a lot of uncertainty in understanding every aspect of it.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: And I just want to note, you mentioned before, you
mentioned that we have to make a decision by the 17th.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Yes, we have until the 17th which is when we were scheduled to
adopt the budget.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: If you are talking about pay me now, pay me later. You listen to
• what Peter said, you know we have roads that existed, we need to continue to have exist...
MR. DUNN: Inaudible.
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COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: Right. Exactly.
MR. DUNN: Inaudible.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: It goes down the line, it's everything. You lower the amount of
money you have available to make up a budget next year, then you know you end up having to
borrow, you end up having to do all of the things that we try to avoid.
MR. DUNN: Inaudible.
COUNCILMAN GHOSIO: As I said this morning at the work session, sometimes when you
have to deal with these fiscal realities, particularly in business, you may not be happy about it but
it's the responsible thing to do and in this particular case, I don't think we necessarily are happy
about it but the responsible thing to do is to plan and that's what part of this is all about.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: And again, the budget that we proposed, with the current proposal,
the preliminary budget with the 1.3% still leaves a very healthy fund balance. We are not
suggesting the fund balance has reached a crisis but when these opportunities present themselves
and there's again, unique circumstances, unique costs, you might want to at least, the responsible
thing to do is look at those circumstances. And again, when you are producing a budget in
August, using receipts through the end of June, you don't have, you know, you develop a better
understanding of those costs as you get later in the season, when the superintendent gets out and
starts doing a lot of the asphalting. And that's why he came to us recently, had to make the
adjustment. Anybody have any other comments on the budget?
Closing Statements
Supervisor Russell
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: That concludes the business of the agenda. I will just say to Pete, it's
a pleasure seeing you and this winter when you are sitting in front of your fireplace and we are
dealing with a major storm, I will be thinking of you. •
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: I will be calling you.
Peter Harris
PETE HARRIS: My neighbors love that I am home because I don't know how many different
driveways I have plowed out.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Well, I said I would be thinking of you, I didn't say what I would be
thinking. Would anybody like to address the Town Board on any issue? Sure.
MR. HARRIS: This goes back to asphalt. When I was in office when I would get my budget,
between with CHIPS and my paving allotment, I personally would go out and I would measure
every single road personally that I wanted to be either micro-surfaced or asphalt and I would be
able to keep a running tally of how much money I have to spend and how much bang for the
buck that I can get done. I don't, I am only assuming that Vinny does the same thing but I
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always knew when I ran out of money, when the money was getting to the end and how far I
could go. I just was, you know, I can't speak for him but I personally as the Superintendent
would go out and measure and I know that there is a formula that you calculate, square yards to
get tons and what have you and this way here, not only is it good for your own purpose for
bookkeeping but whatever contractor that you may be dealing with, you know you have got a
piece of paper with figures on it how much you feel it should cost to either pave or resurface
with micro-surface. You have already got a baseline number that would, you pretty much know
how much that should cost so when the vendor comes up and says this is how much it is, if there
is a big discrepancy, you say well, how can that be? I measured it, I figured it out and you know,
we need to straighten this, sometimes it's, when I did asphalt and when a road runs true and
narrow, it's pretty straightforward but when you are dealing with intersecting roads and your
aprons are, your wings are a lot wider and figuring it out and you make, I always would figure in.
a little extra just to cover, to make sure that I cover that. but what I am trying to say is that
anyone should have a good understanding of how much money they have to spend in the course
of year and then unless, again, something arises and you have a road that just totally falling apart
and you have to come back to you people and ask for additional funding but you should be able
to have a pretty good understanding of how much you have to spend and have it right on paper in
front of you. That's it. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you, Pete. Would anyone else like to address the Town
Board?
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: I would just like to address Pete's, you know he did come to us in
March, Peter. Basically I don't think there was a lot of urgency but he did say that the winter
was harsh and there were roads out there that needed, they were dirt. Basically the people were
riding on dirt. And at that time, that was before most of the frost even got out of the ground and
I think it just kind of crept right up, it was a terrible winter. You know that because you plowed
everybody's driveway and sidewalk on the block. And I just think it's, you know, an
extraordinary event that happened and you know....
MR. HARRIS: Again, by no means am in trying to....
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COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: No, no, I know that.
MR. HARRIS: I can tell you, it's a difficult situation because you have so many miles of road
that really need to be taken care of and you know, if you go to this town and you start doing
work here and then the next town over, hey, what about me? My road is just as bad and you say,
well, you know I have got to go on a scale of 1 to 10. This road is a 10, you are a 7 '/2 . He
needs it this year more than, you know, I have only got X amount of dollars to play with. And
people just, they have a hard time understanding that, it's, you are not trying to service someone
because they are a.friend of yours or whatever, it's the road. The road is just falling apart, you
have got to go take care of it in today's dollar amount, I have records from when Ray Dean was
Highway Superintendent, back when Ray Jacobs first took over as Highway Superintendent and
even back when Ray Jacobs had first took over from Ray Dean, they used to do half, half of the
roads this year and then the next year they'd do the other half. Dollars and cents bought you a
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whole, back then most all your roads were tar and sand. They probably were a better road back
then, tar and sand but the fact of the matter is you can't get good asphalt, hot asphalt, the liquid
today to make that and people, first of all, wouldn't put up with tar and sand but it just shows you
the progression of how expensive it is today to maintain your roads. It's probably the toughest
job of any job including doing snowstorms and hurricane cleanups and whatever because the fact -
that it's all said and done, the storm goes through and the roads are still there.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: Yes and they have to be there. They have to be there. I mean, there
are a couple of extraordinary examples and one is Peconic Bay Boulevard. It's falling apart and
I think that no one really anticipated that, the road to get that bad in that amount of time. you
know, we had this discussion with Vinny when he came in and I kind of got my lesson learned
about there's two types of paving going on here that I was not aware of. This slurry that the put
down, which is like a five year thing and then there's this 20 year asphalt which is really what we
should be doing in the first place, you know, on most of our roads I think.
MR. HARRIS: Technology on how they built roads years ago is they stripped off the topsoil and
they put the material down. Today you go, a subdivision is proposed, they have to build that
road to code. There's a process of, because just for the simple fact if they are not made to do
that, then when they sell all their lots, if they put a substandard road in there, they sold all their
building lots out and then they say, okay, Southold Town we want to turn the roads over to you.
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: Thank you. Well, in any case, I think we are going to get a handle
on it and you are exactly right. The money we invest today will be money well spent, even if we
have to raise taxes to do it in the springtime.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Any other questions?* Comments?
Robert Dunn
ROBERT DUNN: Robert Dunn. I have been holding on to these for a while now because I
didn't want it to get caught up in the politicking.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Are they absentee ballots?
MR. DUNN: No,just some subjects that I thought would be better said afterwards. There were
two and a fraction of hot button issues this year and the mariculture, the rentals and almost the
Mattituck rezoning and there were a lot of things that were said and I thought some of them were
unfair to both the town and the board in that people were saying things were trying to be put in
backdoor, quietly, cloaked and all that kind of stuff Jim and I have talked about this and I think
tonight is one more example of there is no (inaudible) fee, there is no cloaks hiding or anything,
there's nobody here. If you want to know what's going on, you have got to be here. I was, and
you guys aren't hiding anything and you are as transparent as you could be. Anybody that would
complain about it is just wrong. I was here about the shrimp lady's debut, it was as open as you
could be, there may have been some procedural questions that could have been raised but it was
open from day one. I attended code committee hearings, I attended agricultural committee, they
were all open and nobody was trying to jam anything down anywhere, in fact, I know I made
some comments that ultimately were put into the bill and as did some other people. So for
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anybody who suggests that you weren't open and fair or there wasn't open and fairness about it,
is just foolish. The same thing went with the rental laws. I mean, that kicked around back and
forth for months. It wasn't something that was pushed through or (inaudible). It was done fairly
and openly. As far as the, and we laughed about this last night, as far as the Mattituck re-zoning,
I mean, people got up here and screamed and yelled and he withdrew it. I mean, how much
more could you'ask? And I don't know, he may even have withdrew it prematurely but the
bottom line is, people spoke up, got the opportunity to and he withdrew it. so I am just coming
and it's really not for you guys, cause you guys know with your hearts, those guys are not here,
that everybody should know that its' totally fair. Again, in listening to those issues over the last
year. there's something that has bothered me, and I really tried to come up with a way to talk
about it. I have heard a number of people get up, in here during various'issues, and complain
about the people that aren't born here, they should be given no room in this room ever. We are •
all here under this flag. When anybody sends me the tax bill, they don't ask me where' I am
born. I understand Southold Schools is going to ask for a $9 million bond issue in December,
when I get to pay my share of that, nobody is going to ask me where I was born. During the
mariculture hearing, Mr. Gordon stood up and said I lived here for 11 years, when do I get to be
a local. Somebody back there said never. That just shouldn't be tolerated. I mean, you wouldn't
tolerate people in here with white sheets on their heads or Nazi uniforms. You shouldn't tolerate
that. I don't need to prove anything to anybody, nor does anybody else. And as a matter of fact,
I know that I am not the only person in the room right now that wasn't born here. Get my point
across?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I agree 100 percent.
MR. DUNN: That just shouldn't be allowed. I mean, there was, it didn't happen in this room. I
think it was a follow-up on the (inaudible) set up that horse trail? And someone was
commenting on it on-line, it's city people who are ruining it and there's no more places to ride
horses, there's not one city person that's here that didn't buy a piece of land, probably from
someone who was born here, so when they take the money and run, (inaudible). So we need to
stop that in here. People have the right to their opinion but there's just things that shouldn't go
on in here, for the future. The Mattituck parking lot, has that been resolved?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I just signed closing documents Monday. The one we are
purchasing on Pike Street?
MR. DUNN: You are going to or you will?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Pike Street? I signed the closing documents on Monday. We are
just waiting for recording now, right?
MR. DUNN: Now, is that mortgaged? How does that work? I didn't see anything on the
agenda.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: No, we bought that with capital funds.
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MR. DUNN: Okay, so that's budgeted and you don't have to...
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: That's all budgeted.
JUSTICE EVANS: We did pass a resolution at some point...
MR. DUNN: And the figure was?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Authorizing the sale of bonds.
MR. DUNN: Sorry?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We passed a resolution authorizing the sale of the bonds and then
we bought it with the bonds.
MR. DUNN: Okay. And the figure was?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: $250,000.
MR. DUNN: How many spots are there?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: It's difficult to say. I think our engineer looked out there, a
haphazard guess would be, I think 46.
MR. DUNN: 46 at$250,000. So that's approximately $5,000 a spot?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Yes.
MR. DUNN: Inaudible.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: It might be more than that. I am trying to remember. The problem
is it's not striked out. It hasn't been for years.
MR. DUNN: Sure. Let's just say $5,000 a spot. Back in the spring there was a gentleman in
here and he was complaining about some dumpsters in the other municipal lot and it kind of
piqued my interest. At the time, those dumpsters were sitting on top of a landscape (inaudible),
kind of precariously, really. They have since been moved and they are sitting in the lot. There's
four of them and some additional oil cans. That to me is a kind of indirect subsidies to the
businesses that use them. I don't know that that's fair to the people of the town. In addition to
the fact that I don't know what our rules are but many municipalities have, including Nassau and
New York,City, laws about where those cans can be placed. They can't be placed out in the
open like that. There's also more cans of waste oil, cooking oil, which is waiting to become and
if you don't know, I am sure Mr. Ruland does, it is waiting to become diesel fuel and it's sitting
in the middle of our lot. There's a liability issue there, the gentleman raised the issue and I think
he was right. They shouldn't be there. They really shouldn't be there and if they should be, they
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should be properly covered. And somebody should be paying for it because in fact, the people in
the town, some of who can't afford to eat in those restaurants, shop in those stores, are being
forced to subsidize them. As far as I know, that's the only place in town that that happens. I can
think of a restaurant here in Southold that if the town was supplying them with land to use for
their parking lot or garbage cans, there would be people in here screaming somebody should go
to jail.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Namely my brother.
MR. DUNN: I just, and there's a liability issue.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We agree. We are actually working on a license agreement to
address those issues you just raised, it's actually in response to what the gentleman had raised.
We had heard from other people, so we are working on licensing agreements with the owners
that are required. I just want to get back to Pike Street for a second. I realize $5,000 a lot might
sound like a lot of money but.... •
MR. DUNN: Oh, I don't think it's a lot. If there's one thing I agree 100 percent, whatever that
cost, I am sure you paid fair market....
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: That was our requirement.
MR. DUNN: I agree 100 percent on it, I think the town of Mattituck bears an unfair burden for
commercial, that we all shop in Mattituck. Nobody shops on Mill Lane. Some of them bring
their noisy kids there in the summer but I can live with that but nobody ever shops on Mill Lane.
Mr. Softy truck can be a pain but other than that, nobody shops there. so if you give them people
a little relief, I am all for it. but I just don't' think that we should be A, subsidizing businesses
and B, taking on the liability for whatever might happen as a result of those cans, especially the
waste oil. I mean, they are sitting there uncovered. I believe there might even be state laws
about that, they are not supposed to be out in the middle of a parking lot.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Bill, will you attend to that?
MR. DUNN: Sorry?
TOWN ATTORNEY DUFFY: I will.
MR. DUNN: The cans are just sitting there.
TOWN ATTORNEY DUFFY: They were supposed to remove them and they did remove some
of them but I guess they are back....
MR. DUNN: You know, you get some stupid kid, kicks them over and somebody comes
through and slips, bingo, I mean the town is involved in a lawsuit because of a guy that was
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involved in an illegal turn and another guy was drinking and somehow the town is getting sued,
can you imagine how it would be if there was grease all over the parking lot.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Bill will address that with Stephen. Let me just mention, while we
are talking about parking, one of the things I have been raising is the issue of creating a parking
bank. When you develop a commercial property, you have site plan requirements to provide
parking for the guests. If you live near a municipal lot, you can count the spaces in the lot, the
municipal lot, in your site plan. So if you need to create six spaces on site but you have
municipal parking, you can simply use the municipal parking to count towards the six.
MR. DUNN: I heard that one with the guy who is trying to redo the development on Pike Street.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Well, what I suggested is we create a parking bank because if you
are going to rely on municipal parking to satisfy your site plan, you have just gained an
advantage on other businesses that don't have that luxury. So what I had suggested is creating a
parking bank to have people, if they are going to use municipal parking as the parking bank, to
pay for those slips, at least a reasonable amount of funds, so we can put that money into an
account to acquire more, buy some more lots and to improve the ones we have. So hopefully we
will be taking that up over the next year or so.
MR. DUNN: How do you get to do that,just as, now that you brought that up?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Town code that's been around forever. I don't know what the
genesis of it was but it has been part of the town code for many years. With regard to banking,
being able to bank,parking banking, it's been part of the town code....
MR. DUNN: No, no. Being able to use, if you tell me I need six spots to open my business and I
can say well, the town has got six spots across the street....
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: How that came to be was part of the town code has allowed for it
and it has allowed for it for many years but it is time to rethink that....
MR. DUNN: Yeah, yeah.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: There's an equity in that. There's a value in that and the town
should be able to get some of that value. Certainly in fairness to other businesses that don't have
that benefit but secondly so we can invest in our assets and provide more parking and better
parking.
MR. DUNN: So if you are opening a business that's not near a town lot, you have got to provide
spots.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Right.
MR. DUNN: But if you are opening a business near a town lot, then youcan use it.
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SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Right.
MR. DUNN: But you didn't pay for it.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Which is what we are trying to do with the parking bank.
MR. DUNN: That law has got some defective thinking there.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: It's been around forever and there's time that we have got to look at
parking as a premium.
MR. DUNN: There's a few things that have been around forever that probably shouldn't be here
anymore.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I would agree. I have been around forever, so...
COUNCILMAN GHOSIO: I think it would depend when it occurred what the circumstances
were. I am sure there was a time when we were looking to attract business, you know, and rather
than tax abatements, that was....
MR. DUNN: But I mean, how many people can use those spots? If I say, okay, I am going to
open an ice cream store, there's six spots there and then Mr. Ruland says I am going to open a
restaurant, there's six spots there, well, now we have just made 12 spots out of six spots. There's
still only six spots.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: That's a good question. I don't know how the Planning Board does
address that. But I do know the underlying principal needs to be addressed. If there's going to
be a parking bank on a municipal lot, there needs to be some consideration of enumeration to the
town so that we can do some, we can expand and improve, so I would agree.
MR. DUNN: Sure.
TOWN ATTORNEY DUFFY: Mr. Supervisor, the Planning Board has the authority to allow
those people to use the parking lot but the town just did a parking assessment for Mattituck and
the Planning Board, based on that, would not allow the developer to use the municipal parking...
MR. DUNN: Inaudible. The guy who's trying to do that thing on Pike Street.
TOWN ATTORNEY DUFFY: He has got to provide parking. He cannot rely on the town
parking lot because of the latest parking assessment.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Anybody else?
COUNCILMAN RULAND: I just want to comment to Mr. Dunn, as we go forward, we are
going to be, I guess at my urging, partly because of the amount of angst that went into the town-
,
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actually acquiring title to the Pike Street parking facility, we are going to look at parking,
municipal parking facilities that we have throughout the town and I think that a number of
questions have come up about usage. Who can use, how long can they use, those types of things
and we are going to have a discussion about globally, about parking and how it's been addressed
in other places and what can be done not only to ensure that the parking is maintained but that
we have a revenue stream to help maintain it. From a practical point.
MR. DUNN: Well, from a real point, I mean, there's a, I guess you guys, well, now us guys. It
was you guys before, I am only here five years. I have been around longer but I have only been
living here five years....
COUNCILMAN DINIZIO: Bob, that doesn't make any difference to me.
MR. DUNN: Okay, but I am trying to set up the conversation, you have had it too good for too
long.
COUNCILMAN RULAND: That's a good way to put it.
MR. DUNN: And the reality is, it's coming. I mean, the future is here and all of the bad parts
and if you don't prepare for it, it's just going to get you, I mean, I grew up in Flushing, New
York on a fairly busy street, it was commercial and there were guys selling fruits on horse carts
when I was a kid. You could sleep in the streets. My father ended up getting killed in that street
but it just progressed to where now it's like Sixth Avenue in Manhattan. And that same kind of
thing is coming here to an extent and it's the way you handle it and what you are describing there
is...
COUNCILMAN RULAND: Well, anyplace that has become a tourist destination, if you will,
throughout let's just say New York State because a lot of states have different rules, a lot of them
have good models, whether they will work here or not but it's time that we have that discussion
because there are common denominators of destination parking, transient parking, a bigger
problem than ever is not only overnight parking but over week parking which has swollen...
MR. DUNN: Oh, I could see that across the street, across the street from the bus stop.
COUNCILMAN RULAND: And many people would say, well, if you are going to allow that at
all, then there has to be some type of a premium attached to that because it's not available for
transient parking because someone occupied it for something it really wasn't intended for. As
we look at our hamlets, we are not really in a position that we can create more lots in the hamlets
for parking because there are precious few.
MR. DUNN: Eliminate overnight parking.
COUNCILMAN RULAND: Well, it's one or the other. You are either going to have limited
overnight parking, you are going to have to pay for the privilege...
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MR. DUNN: No, I am saying eliminate it...
COUNCILMAN RULAND: I understand that.
MR. DUNN: That eliminates the possibility of somebody dropping a car off for a week.
COUNCILMAN RULAND: I understand that but the other side is, if you are going to allow it in
certain spots, like it is already, I think ybu are going to have to pay for that privilege.
MR. DUNN: Sounds fair.
COUNCILMAN RULAND: And the proceeds, as the Supervisor was alluding to, are going to be
dedicated into parking. Going forward though, alright, because it's almost impractical to say, as
far as I am concerned, we were kind of backed into a corner with this Pike Street parking, okay,
but the right thing to do for the Town of Southold to do was purchase it and we all agreed.
MR. DUNN: Correct.
COUNCILMAN RULAND: And this is what we did. But how we use it going forward and
how it gets used and how we maintain it and all the upkeep and the things that are needed to
maintain law and order in that parking lot specifically, when it is now a free for all, is something
that is up for discussion as far as I am concerned. And that's all I will say because I will say I
had an initial discussion with the town attorney about the legality of certain things and what is
done in other areas.
MR. DUNN: That's a partial dirt lot, isn't it?
COUNCILMAN RULAND: No, it's paved.
MR. DUNN: It's all paved?
COUNCILMAN RULAND: Yes. Well, it's paved but the pavement is well worn.
MR. DUNN: It was paved. -
COUNCILMAN RULAND: Yes. So it is going to need some TLC but you know, Rome wasn't
built in a day. And I am not sure that our budget or any budget can say we are not going to do •
anything and then at the end of whatever period, well, we need $250,000 to, you know, because
the rainy day has now come. If we put a mechanism in place at some time, it will generate some
revenue for the rainy day fund, we'll have at least a fighting chance to say we can do something.
But more to follow.
MR. DUNN: Sure. Thank you.
Supervisor Russell
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you. Anybody else? (No response)
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Motion To: Adjourn Town Board Meeting
RESOLVED that this meeting of the Southold Town Board be and hereby is declared adjourned
at 8:05 P.M.
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Lynda Rudder
Southold Deputy Town Clerk
RESULT: ADOPTED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Louisa P. Evans, Justice
SECONDER:William P. Ruland, Councilman -
AYES: Ghosio, Dinizio Jr, Ruland, Doherty, Evans, Russell