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12-6-84. . . . .TOWN BCA'.?D TE'."HNICAL ADVISORY/UITE :`LECTION COF'YITT`-' -
MEETING. . .TOWN ;TALL.
DAVE SPOHN: "M�'DE ACCO1,1MODATIONS TO BE UPSTAIRS AND THAT WAS ON TSL . .
OH, MORE THAN TWO `,SEEKS AGO, HOWEVER COURT TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER
WHAT WE'RE DOING, SO WE' RE DOWN HERE. WHAT IS TAKING PLACE AT THIS
TIME: IS A T ICHNICAL ADVISORY COMn.N+ITTEE MEETING ON THE AIRPORT SITE`
SELECTION STUDY. AFTER WE HAVE OUR MEETING, WITHIN OUR ROUP, WE
WILL ASK FOR COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE AND ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM
THE AUDIENCE. WE WOULD APPRECIATE CONDUCTING THE MEETING AND YOU
MAY LISTEN BUT YOU MAY MAKE YOUR COMMENTS AND gUESTIONS AFTERWARDS.
BUT I WILL START BY SAYING, DOLS ANYONE HAVE A "'UESTION ABOTTT THAT?
NO? OK.
BRIEFLY, T7 GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY OF THIS WHO`::] 7OJr'ECT, IT
DATES BACK TO ACTUALLY, 1946. MIATTITUCK AIRBAtiL WAS
IN 1946, iiFICEi I5 RIGHT AFTER THE AJAR. IT WAS A GRASS STRIP. T11--
FIRST C'IC AIRPORT IN SOUTHOL'� TOT,uN WAS ESTABLISHiED IN 1 T-91 �1?dD
IT WAS ON FTSHERS �.SLAND. IT WAS A MILITARY AIRPORT CONNLC`IE'D WITF
THE FORT ON FISHERS ISLAND. SO IN EFFECT, THE TOWN HAS HAD A PUBL
AIRPORT SINCE 1959. IN 1964, THE TOWN HAD A HEARINs AND ES:TAB-
LISHED AN Il.I "'ORT IN SOUTHOLD T014N PROPER. THE DID THIS BY LEASING
MATTITUCK �_IRPORT AND PA+LING THE RUNWAY. THAT LEASE REP�.AINED IN
"FFECT POR FIFTEEN YEARS. . . IN TWO INCREMENTS, FIRST- FOR TEN YEARS
FROM 161� TO 174, TN WHICH THERE WER^ PROVISIONS FOR, LIGHTS. THE
LEASE WAS 7ENE`r+TED IN 1974 FOR 1A FIVE `_mAR P RL IOD AND THE PROVISIONS
S CR L ':ri TS 4 ri5 DELET7D. "HE O zT111" L PURPOSE STATED WAS FOR AN
AI_ri,-.,m T TTR " IR-077_ 7. 3
7�. THE, TOWN.- Znigr 1979,. TUST BEFORE TTHE LASE
t. r• ;` ,�--'�. -Try �i ERVTSOR TIME
1 ' rT.-,-nT -i
•A2 TO R _ �.; swi �, �; 1P ..�r .:v. �':T HA 1 I�,, THOU'Iii �.A THS,
LEAS' :MOULD NOT iAV'E ANY PROBL`EM L INly77NEWED, :�U'r JUST IICASE
IT MAS NOT HE 1EQv:JSTJLl:) STUDY .✓J DCITE IJiTT1I;NI TF:1 TOWN. THE'RE
r,E ,J FOUR JOPL AP vIiv 1 JD 7170 DO _ .hl .j Oij, . L ON1. ��, Cl�ll-
MITTEE, FRf�NKLIN BEAR, HENRY RAT OR AND HENRY DRUM. Ii !-TAS I+^.,TRY
DRUM'S COI;XITTii]E TO DO THE STUDY. T'i.f-T WAS P tESENTED TO THE TOWN
IN MARCH, 1979 AND IN IT, IT GAVE AN OUTLINE OF COSTS AND T H:S, POS—
UIBILITES Ui' RLPLACIN'G THE FACILITY THAT WAS LOST BY NOT REIv✓tivlNG
THE LEASE. THE PRESENT SITUATION IS, THAT AS OF NOW THE TOWN HAS
A PUBLIC AIRPORT ON FISHERS ISLAND, WHICH IS ELIZABETH AIRPORT.
ITfS A TWO RUNWAY AIRPORT, IT' S OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY AND HAS LIGHTS.
TH-E LIGHTS ARE ON ALL NIGHT LONG. IT IS A PURE TRANSPORTATION
FACILITY IN THE EFFECT THAT IT' S LA>T OPERATIONS ARE 5000 AIR
TAXI, 38 ITINERANT AND 12CO LOCAL. AND WHEN I USE THE TERM "OPER—
ATION", I MEAN LANDING OR TAKE—OFF AS AN "OPERATION" . SO IF YOU
WISH TO ARRIVE AT THE NUMBER OF AIRCRAFT, YOU DIVIDE BY TWO. IT' S
SIMPLY THE WAY IT'S STATED IN THE NOMENCLATURE USED BY PEOPLE IN
THE INDUSTRY AND T,iE FEDERAL AVID TION ASSOCIATIOTd. .AD.a INISTRATION,
NOT ASSOCIATION. OK. S0, Tc1AT SHO' THE ACTIVITY THERE ON FISHERS
ISLAND FISHERS ISLAND BEING JUST A EASIC TRPNSPORTATION FACILITY,
IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY SERVICES AVAILABLE. THERE IS NO FULL AVAIL—
ABLE THERE OR AIRCRAFT REPAIR OR SERVICES, IT'S STRICTLY A TRANS
FORTATION FACILITY. THERE IS A SI"ALL OFFICE IN A HANGAR BUILDTNG
IN TNHICH A GENTLEMAN OPERATES THE SERVICES FOR TILE TOWN WITH HIS
TRUCKS AND VEHICLES FOR SNOW REMOVAL AND I BELIEVE GARBAGE REMOVAL.
BUT I'M NOT REALLY INTO THE SUPER FACT.3 ON THAT BUT THAT'S AN IDEA.
"TD AIRPO._'T, ATTHI" TT.'T?, DOES NEED SOME :LIGHT :?EPAIR.
S TSL
FISi~:E _,..
IT NEEDS A. :.L URRY CCf:T ON' TOF OF THE RUNWAYS BECAUSE THERE IS SOME
CRACK-1-3 . INTI IT DO S i!AVE, AST :;AID, A Li FiTING SYSTEM WHICH RE,—
�n to T "T 'IT I+ T? �J TT Tj * ^ • TTT csliRO'S THE vOl,i\D,
::ATIV 0!I f11 . I _ _0 FL BACF1 fi.1D : 0', SOUND,
T
"OLT CAN SEE IT F'?Ol uT"'u^R SIDE OF THE SOu��D. EITHER FROM CONNECT—
CAN
CR FROM LONG ISLAND. VAT' S FTSHERS ISLAND AND THE ONLY RE—
3
Tnr . it [? ^ 'r n �r y "f
LAT10 I IT 'AS TO DC Tr�ITT1 .h? AT IS TAE N. PI- - T D , 1?:.L ra
THAT IT IS ^� PUBLIC TRANSPORTATIOiFACILITY, IT IS C'.ivED 137 THE
TOWN OF SOUT'TOLD A"17) HAS BEEN OPERATEED °INCE 1?59 AS A PU :LIC
FACILITY. A PUBLIC FACILIT" DID OCCUR IN THE TOWPI ISI IQ64 AND
WAS OPERATED AS SUCH UNTIL 1979. THE TOWN DID INSTALL THE RUNWAY
AND DID MAIISTAI*1 IT FOR FIFTEEN YEARS. S0, IN t79, WHa-i THE LEASE
WAS NOT RENEWED, THE TOWN BOARD, PETITION.ED AND LOBBIED BY THE LOCfiL
AVIATION C01•IMUNITY, TO TRY AND REPLACE THE FACILITY THAT WAS LOST,
THAT WAS A PUBLIC FACILITY. IN 1980, THE TOWN BOARD DID REQUEST
AN AIRPORT SITE/SELECTION MASTER PLAN STUDY FOR A REPLACE.NETIT OF
THAT AIRPORT OR A PUBLIC FACILITY IPI TCWN. TEAT WAS 1080. THERE
WERE TWO YEARS INTERVENIPIG IN WHICH ?NOTHING OCCURRED DUE TO TIE
FACT THAT TFE AIRPCRT niLOPEMENT AND AIR PROGRAM-FUN
VEDS DID NOT
HAVE LEGISL!iTION OR 1•2CHANISM IN I.IHICH TO DISBURSE THE FUNDS. THE
FUNDS WERE Tu?.RE BUT THERE WAS NO I-TECHANISM TO DISBURSE THEY. THIS
IS USUALLY DO11E1 IPI FIVE YEAR INCREMENTS. SO THAT THE FUNDS WERE
NOT AVSTLABLE UNTIL 1983. A GRANT WAS RECEIVED IN 1983 TO DO THIS
STUDY WHICHI WAS REQUESTED IPI 1980. WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS
THAT STUDY. THE BASIS OF THAT ST. - CAN PROBABLY BE BETTER DES-
CRIBED BY PlC'L, I 'LL JUST GIVE YOU AN OUTLINE. THEY TNCLUD--"
INVENTORY STAGE II'I WHICH YOU TRY TO GATHER ALL THE FACTS ON THE
AVIATION IN TOWN AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS. THE li-E ;T PART OF THE
PHASE IS THE SITE SELECTION WHICH IS TAKIN"I PLACE NOW. THIS IS THE
DRAFT PHASE OF THE SITE S-LECTION AND IT'S ALMOST INPOSSIBLE TO COii
TACT EACH AND EVERY PERSON -J11"M MAY BE AFFECTED BY ANY PAR'TIC 'LAR
SI'iE BECeUS.1 j>v ARE I`1 THE rROCESS OF DECIDING WHICH ONES. AT THIS
POI'IT, THERE IS Nr' SPECIFIC PERSON IDENTIFIED TO BETHE SO—CALLED
"COPITACT'v TO TO THAT SPECIFIC TITIPIG. LL'T, ALL THF, IidFORMATIOV THAT
I GATHERED AND ALL Ti-:E THINGS THAT ARE DISCUSSED, ARE PUBLIC IN-
rF = 1 T
Y
FORMATION AND PUBLIC RCt'ERm'' ANT, ',i LL L ;-,,`E°T OUT AT THE PRO:ER
TIME. WHEN IT COMES TO COiw!TrIT"'EE REPORTS r.�TD DRAFT COP IEs, I FE,EL
THE C01-2IITTEZ ;:;H0ULD HAVE A C!-IANC" TC 111uD11 :SS IT, READ THE I'_r'FORMA-
TION, DISCUSS IT IN COMM!TTEE AND TIIEr1 RuLEr.Sr. IT. BUT THII IS
NOT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN SOVE: OF THE CASES. BECAUSE IT IS .SAID
THAT THIS IS PtTBLIC INFORMATION AND ;BUST BE GIVEN TO THE PUP;LIC
IN THE RAW COPY AND IT DOE" A LOT OF HARM. BECAUSE IT' S JUST PRE-
LIMINARY IN NATURE AND SOME OF THE FIGURES MIGHT NOT BE CORRECT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, EVEN AFTER THEY ARE DISCUSSED AND BECOME FINAL
COPY, THERE IS ALSO THE POSSIBILITY THAT SOME OF THE FIGURES WOULD
HAVE TO BE REVISED. BUT THAT' S WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AT THE MOMENT,
AND THAT'S WHY THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE HERE TODAY. THAT WE HAD
THIS DRAFT COPY OF THE SITE SELECTION .`STUDY, Iit 'riHICH THE COMMITTEE
WAS SUPPOSED TO ADDRESS, TO LOOK AT THE SITES, DISCUSS THE ITEMS
ON THE COMMITTEE REPORTS, COME TO SOME KIND OF CONCLUSIONS AND
DECISIONS AND THEN PASS IT ON TO THE PUBLIC . I WEAR SEVERAL HATS
AT THIS TIME, AND OF COURSE I 'M KNOWN AS A STRONG SUPPORTER OF AN
AIRPORT, THAT' S ONE HAT. I'M ALSO THE TOWN CONTACT BETWEEN THE
SOUTHOLD TOWN AND TIE ENGINEERING FIRM THAT'S DOING THE STUDY.
AS I WEIR THAT HAT, I FEEL THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT I HAVE TO DO
EVER?'THING POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ISN'T ANY STONE UN-
TURNED TO GET ALL THE AVAILABLE POSITIVE DATA FOR THE STUDY. I
DON'T THINK YOU WOULD EXPECT ANYTHING LESS FRO" SOMEBODY IN THAT
POSITION. i,.ND OF COURSE, ANOTHER HAT I WEAR IS THs PRESIDEiTT OF
THE LOCAL AVI'iT'1CN ASSOCIATION, THAT OF COURSE: SUPPORTS AN AIRPORT,
NATURALLY. BUT WL ARE OPEN. I YERSO?TALLY, HAV.; ,SEEN TC EVERY
ORGANIZATION IN TOWN TIiAT WILL SPARE HE TEE TT!,!E TO GIVE MY PRES-
ENTATION, SLIDES OR WHATEVER. MY PHONE NUMBER HAS BEEN PUBLISHED
IN THE NEWSPAPER FOR THE PAST SIX Y3ARS. THERE HAVE BEEN ARTICLES
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IN THE NEWSPAPERS FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS I CAN'T UNDERSTAND
HOW PEOPLE SAY THEY JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IT IN RECENT MONTHS OR
EVEN WEEKS, BECAUSE THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN DISCUSSED VERY WIDELY.
OF COURSE, I DO HAVE A FILE COPY ON ALL THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLES
AND WOULD BE MORE THAN WILLING TO SHARE THEM. I WILL ALSO BE
WILLING TO SHARE THE PLACES THAT I HAVE BEEN TO. . .TO DIVULGE THE
INFORMATION TO INTERESTED PEOPLE, I GUESS THAT ABOUT SUMS UP
THE HISTORY OF IT. THE, COMMITTEE ITSELF AT THIS TIME WILL PROB-
ABLY DISCUSS WHAT WE DID WHEN WE WENT OUT LOOKING AT THE SITES.
AFTER WE GET DONE. DISCUSSING THOSE, WHICH YOU CAN LISTEN TO, AND
YOU CAN SEE THIS IS LIKE DOING BUSINESS IN THE MIDDLE OF MAIN
STREET AND FRONT STREET IN GREENPORT, BUT THAT'S OK. I PERSONALLY
AM USED TO DOING THAT. YOU PROBABLY ALL KNOW THAT I WAS AN AIRLINE
PILOT. AND AS AN AIRLINE PILOT. . . . . . . . .
MEETING INTERRUPTED TO MOVE UPSTAIRS
I INTRODUCED MYSELF BEFORE. MY NAME IS DAVID SPOHN. I'M ON THE
TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE SITE SELECTICN MASTER PLAN
STUDY. I 'P: THE TOWN CONTACT BETWEEN THE TOJN OF SOUTHOLD AND THE
CONSULTING FIRM. THE PROJECT MANAGER IS PAUL PUCKLI. I 'LL INVITE
EACH PERSON TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AND SAY THEIR ROLE IN THIS PAR-
TICULAR STUDY. PAUL. . . .
PAUL PUCKLI. . . .MY NAME IS PAUL PUCKLI. I AM THE MANAGER FOR SITE SELECT-
ION. MASTER PLAN �')TUDY. I 'LL JUST GIVE YCU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON
HOW THIS WITCL E THING STARTED. TACK IN I GUESS THIS Ia 1980, THE
TOWN SENT OUT LETTERS TO A NUMBER OF CONSULTING FIRMS WHO ARE
aIIALIFIED BY THE F.A.A. TO DO T[iIS TYPE OF STUDY, MY FIRM BEING
ONE OF THEM. I BELIEVE IT WAS SEVEN OR NIGHT LETTERS THEY SENT
OUT. AND WE PREPARED A PROPOSAL AND CAME IN FOR AN INTERVIEW
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WITH THE TOWN BOARD WITH I BELIEVE IT WAS THE SELECTION COMMITTEE.
THE TOWN SELECTED MY FIRM, FORTUNATELY FOR US, TO DO THE JOB. I
WAS BASED ON LONG ISLAND AT THAT TIME. I WAS BORN AND RAISED ON
LONG ISLAND. JUST THIS YEAR I MOVED DOWN TO FLORIDA WITH A NEW
FIRM. BUT SINCE I WAS SO INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT FROM 1980
ON, THE TOWN FELT I SHOULD STILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING IT,
WHICH I AM. I HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH DAVE AND THE TECHNI-
CAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE IN PRODUCING THE REPORTS WHICH HAVE BEEN
ISSUED SO FAR. THATIS A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON WHERE I CAME FROM
AND HOW WE WERE SELECTED. THE STUDY ITSELF IS BEEING FUNDED BY
THE F.A.A. . . 90o OF THAT STUDY IS F.A.A. FUNDED AND 721% IS FUNDED
BY THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. THE REMAINING
22,% THE TOWN IS PAYING. THATIS WHERE THE FUNDING FOR THE STUDY IS
COMING FROM. THE REASON WHY THE F.A.A. AND THE STATE ARE INTER-
ESTED IN A PUBLICLY OWNED AIRPORT IN SOUTHOLD TOWN IS BECAUSE THE
TOWN HAS BEEN DESIGNATED IN THE NATIONAL AIRPORT SYSTEM PLAN OR
NATIONAL PLAN OF INTEGRATED AIRPORT SYSTEMS, I THINK IT'S CALLED
NOW, TO HAVE AN AIRPORT FACILITY OPEN TO- THE;,PUBLIC. WHEN THE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD VOICED TH ETR DESIRE TO HAVE A STUDY.'DONE-LIKE
THIS, THE F.A.A. AND THE STATE D.O.T. DID SUPPORT IT AND PUT UP
THE MONEY TO DO THE STUDY. SO THAT' S WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING
FROM. THE POINT RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE WE STARTED THE STUDY A YEAR
AGO, WE WENT THROUGH AN INVENTORY PRO,C�SS, WHICH WHAT WE DID IS
INVENTORY THE AVIATION FACILITIES ON LONG ISLAND THAT ARE AVAILABLE
TO PERSONS WHO DO FLY AIRCRAFT AND THEN DID A FEW SURVEYS IN. ._.
TOWN. WE SURVEYED POTENTIAL USERS AND ALSO SURVEYED BUSINESSES
I_d TOWN TO FIND OUT IF THE AIRPORT WOULD BE FEASABLE. WHAT WE
COULD EXPECT AS FAR AS POTENTIAL AND WHAT KIND OF SUPPORT THERE
WAS IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, FOR THE AIRPORT. WE FOUND THAT
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WE FOUND THAT MANY PEOPLE AT MATTITUCK WOULD RELOCATE AT THE NEW
AIRPORT IN ADDITION TO PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW BASING THEIR AIRCRAFT
OUTSIDE THE TOWN WOULD RELOCATE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE MCRE CONVEN-
IENT TO PEOPLE LIVING IN TOWN TO USE A PUBLICLY OWNED AIRPORT.
OUR ESTIMATES' PROJECTED IN THE INITIAL PHASE 33 BASED AIRCRAFT
AT THE TOWN AIRPORT. . .ALL SINGLE ENGINE OR LIGHT TWIN ENGINE
AIRCRAFT. SO THE TOWN IS NOT PROPOSING A LARGE KENNEDY AIRPORT
OR OR MACARTHUR AIRPORT, IT' S A SMALL, GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT
FOR SINGLE q,NGINE AND SMALL TWIN ENGINE AIRCRAFT. THE FORECAST
AND OPERATIONAL LEVEL OF 31,000 OPERATIONS TWENTY YEARS FROM NOW,
OPERATIONS BEING LANDINGS AND/OR .TAK E-OFFS. SO, IT'S NOT GOING
TO BE A VERY ACTIVE AIRPORT. THIS MORNI^?G SOMEBODY MENTIONED
BROOKHAVEN AIRPORT, AND I ASKED THE STATE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE
WHAT THE ACTIVITY LEVEL AT BROOKHAV.EN IS. AND IT'S SOME FOUR
TIMES GREATER THAN WHAT WE FORECAST TWENTY YEARS FROM NOW FOR
SOUTHOLD. RIGHT NOW, THE STATE PEOPLE, AND THIS IS NOT A DIRECT
QUOTE SAY IT'S ABOUT 130,000 ANNUAL OPERATIONS AT HROOKHAVEN AND
WE FORECAST IN TWENTY YEARS 31,eo0, HERE IN SOUTHOLD. SO THERE
IS QUITE A DIFFERENCE, AS YOU CAN SEE. . .TOTALLY DIFFERENT TYPE:'OF,
FACILITY ;THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING. IN THE INVENTORY PROCESS WE
DID A FORECAST OF ACTIVITY WHICH IS IN THE, PHASE I .REPORT. THIS
CAME OUT IN JUNE OF THIS YEPR AND LASED ON THAT ACTIVITY, WE HAVE
PUT TOGETHER A FACILITY REQUIREMENT SECTION WHICH OUTLINES THE
FACILITIES THAT A7E NEEDLED 7^ ACCO MODATE TH& DEMAND THAT WAS
PROJECTED. TT SAVE ?iS AN IDEA OF HOW BIG THE 'AIRPORT SHOULD BE,
WHAT SIZE !AOR INSTANCE, THE Z1"T?WA:� SHOULD BE, HANGARS,, AUTO PARKING
THINGS LIKE THAT, TT-IAT AN AIRPORT DOES NEED. THE NEXT STEP IN THS
PROCESS WAS THE SITE .SELECTION, WHICH IS 14HY WE ARE HERE TODAY.
ONCE WEP KNEW THE SIZE OF THE AIRPORT, THS IT WE NEEDED TO KNOW WHERE
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:'L COULD FIT ""HAT ATRPO. ?lT. f"T. . . . . . . ._`
-N THE WALL DOWYSTAIRS, AND
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IIND '.'F? RT WE DT TO( T FLANNI""T OF'FT"E Ill—E
T'T T -0 H
WE WE�TT T.
TOOK OUT FLANNINIG IMAPS AND LOOKED AT OPEN Sir-ACE OR 00 KEEP IT
AIWAY FROM CO
0,1T C
.i EINTRATED AREAS OF DEVELCPEMENT. AND THEY ALL TURNED
OUT TO BE, WELL, SITE ONZ LOOKED AT l'.ATTITUCK 4IRPORT, SITE TWO
PTVIT AND ND SIX ALL OVER ON THE
THEN IdAS. . .SITE TWO, I FOUR
NORTH SIDE OF TOWN, SITE SEVEN AND EIGHT :'LRE STARTING TO HEAD
OUT EAST, EAST OF T T F. TOWN AND NINE AND TEN WERE TIER E, TEN IS
OF ITREEIITPORT AND ELEVEN IS '_DOWN OVER HERE Wt_7TCTT -cS 0
jU T' BY L N 3x
BEACH BAY AND TWELZV-:,' IS ZVISTI'l- R027 AIRPORT. S 0 E ARS
.I- 2'.� '.) _L� 1-Z _ -
1, '3COD REPRESENTATIVE LIST T"Tf'� OF SITE'S AWAY IFROM llr"-"Tr"R" T-D ARE�`�"
1� _� - .'�� 1�j
OF D. V-::'L 0 P Ir E"LT T ;'.71IC-11 TWE DID A 'PRELIL"."INARY SCREL"l,7111"T OF TH(CS3
TWELVE _2TTES.
v1E VISITED IS.TrED EACH OF ?HE SITES, TOOK :,,T
1100TO-3RHAPHS)f , WE
HAVE AERIAL ITHOTOGRAPHS OF T4-' QTTES . WE 'LAVE GOOD TNFORi,'IATION AS
TO EACH ONE OF THE SITEIS LCOYED AT. AT 7-jE PRELlYINARY SCR IENIN'-T,
WE .KNOCKED IT DOWN TO F','.'UR SITES. '-E LCOIKED AT WHAT WE HAD,, DOWN
TO FOUR SITES, WS, T-
HICH ARE SITEWO, . .I SHOULD SHOW THOSE SITES.
TWO ISC R :X'0�T
HERS, IT' S JUST NORTH OF ROAD, RIGHT AT THE INTER-
SECTION CF ALVAH' S LANE. T-HLATI SITE WAS RECOII'�'FENDED BY NEW YORK
STATE IS DEPARTFENT OF TRI_NSFORTATI C, T TI ol�l ITHE
4 _ � M%[EITY-\T YEARS A-0 A<z
AIRPORT SITE . YOU THArL". i T T H RE"E H I Cll
I-S -7 1 1 ILT -'I-E R Z 3 ',.,'TT E 7 ITT�,- rn n TA'%T 7 T IS r,-n -"-' f
uJ_ ALLTrp WAS
I _P�L '1� -c'* A T _'j'Y 3)1 T_'ES' L,'T-711�1 "I IX Ar ' ADjA T T
L J_ '.) _ AZID S .1 E 11 L'
TO EACH OTH_7R' JUST NORTH T I FOUR IflOSE ARE THE-1
COUNTY ROUTE 480
,7:,' Ir:T - IT rc I n
FINAL TSE THAT 7'7 �"r). �N DID A D_'TA -D "11'�_A*r S C F THOSE
FG?
'7�
.j ST A �T
L TES. Z
" L C;0 H L*,D AT '_';F 1FACTORS.1 Til_;T FIRST ONE BEING
IT
Q I F I T WOULD F-41 r r FTEP
POSETFLE AIRFIELD LAYOUT 07, 77TE AIRPORT. - I
A'T:)
0,T. THE WT'�',!D CONFI,'"TURATl.014 L S 0 RU1,11.1AY LENGTH, 'rF IT COULD
EZ 17 7"
R 7,1 UNDlIT- jtaV7',jLR
FTTFFEF 7
ALSO T'-E _,PR0XIlvA','F',r OF r
ADEQUATE �ONESJ JEC'TDIENTILAL DEVELOPE-
IMIENT. WE TRIED TO KEEP IT AWAY FROM AS POUCH H R E S-7 DZ N T T-A L E E VE LO P E;-
M E1,7T AS POSSIBLE. AND T"HEE7 LOOKED AT FARMLAND PRESERVA21I.CN
L
AND WHERE TITIE FARIOLAND PRESERVATIC71 LANDS WERE., TEAT ARE
T
IN THE PROGRAM 'NOW., AND ONES THAT WERE CANDIDATES.. -INTO THE FARM-
LANDS PRESERVAT7,-N PRO`T'RAMT `,'12H ALSO LOOKED AT THE GROUND ACCESS
TO THE SITE, WE LOOKED AT THE COST OF DEVELOPING THE SITES AND
ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT COULD BE EXPECTED FROM DEVELOPING
KE
THE SITES. AND BASED ON TT-jliT CRITERIA, vlE CAME UP WITH A RECOM-
MENDATION OF ONE PARTICULAR S'lrTZ WITH AN ALTERNATE SITE. THE SITE,--":,
ARE SITE NUMBER FIVE, IS THE R_ECOI-IiENDED SITE AND SITE NUMBER SIX
H
IS THE ALTERNATE SITE. AND WE :FELT THAT BASED ON THE CRITERIA SET
FORTH WHICH WE OUTLINED IN THIS REPORT WQ7
E FELT THAT _LTZ FIVE WAS
A BETTER SITE TO D7ELOP THE AIRPORT IF THE TOWN CHCOSEIS TO DO SO.
THEN ANY OF TH", OTHER SITES �T7'17'1:ER -','rLX ALSO, S'_--:EMS QUITE
THEN, p li . SITE p
FEASABLE. SO OUR TlITEN, IS TO PROCEED WITH SITE
FIVE. 10FE WOULD LIKE IF SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, IF THE TOWN WOULD
GIVE US
SOME GT.UDANC � AS TO WHAT THEIR FEELING IS, AND THAT IS WHY
MnTlPVr4NTS FROY THE PUBLIC. lt)E WILL
IiZ ARE HERE TODAY, TO '7�ZT INPUT U_i= ��j
MAKE NOTE OF ALL TTTTS WE WILL TRY TO ANSWER AS MANY QUESTIONS AS
WE CAN., BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WARE STILL E IN THE' MIDDLE OF TH
PROCESS, AS FAR AS TTr3
E FINANCTIAL ASPECTS OF '-rUILDTN(-'r THIS PIRPORT,
i,
THAT WILL =-.-" DEVELOP"D I�T 713 ,'
._� I QMUDY ONCE WE KNO"'*
_ :Tl. XT 7HASE OF THE L k .9
WHAT THE ACTUAL PLAN IS. WE HAVENTIT REALLY LOOKED AT ANY OF THE
FINANCIAL FACRIR�TTI'TD rF 'TOW TC DEVELOP Tr E SIT"," �_ 11 1, L� I H BUT THAT WILL BE
'fj=E 1,77' T �11A__Q7 OF THE ',T 1; ,
.XTDY. AND ONCE YOU GET INTO DEVELOPING A
STr,"72,, A lJOC-1) DEAL OF THAT IS ELIGIFLE FOR F.A.A. FUNDING AND NEW
YORK STATE D.O.T. FUNDING. SO, THE TOWN'S BURDEN FOR BUILDING
r
ST A T Tn n T, ^R n�+�f�m lC' Y r�j. r, TI C -OI
��C'r'. N IttrOR_ � 10 _ :1U L�.i f.,, IT ...�Y ;I, t T 1 II.� i'O L
s
I WOULD LIlK'2 TC TURN IT BACH TO DIVE AND I%MAYBE WE CAN OPEN IT UP
FOR COiITMEANTS, AND LIr':E I SAID, I .SOI?LD LINE TO ANSWER ANY QUES—
TIONS I POSSIBLY COULD AND IeD LIKE YOUR COITIENTS AND WHAT YOU
HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT. . .THE AIRPORT SITE, SITE NUMBER FIVE.
DAVE SPOHN. . .THANK YOU PAUL, BUT I WAS GOING TO IIAVE EVERYEODY AT TIS'
TABLE HERE INTRODUCE THEMSEL`IES AND SAY WHAT THEIR ROLE IS AND
THEN HAVE COMMENTS IN THE COPIMITTEE ITSELF AND THEN OPEN IT UP
FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC,THAT'S WHAT IGD LIKE TO DO, PAUL.
PAUL PUCKLI. .O.K.
DAVE SPOHN. .PETER, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF'?
PETER POMERANZ. .MY NAME IS PETER POMERANZ, I'M WITH THE NEW YORK STATE
DEPARTMENT OF TR.PNSPORTATION, THE REGIONAL OFFICE LOCATED IN
HAUPPAUGE. THE STATE ROLE IN THIS, BOTH AS A FUNDING AGENCY AND
A REVIEWING AGENCY, THE LEAD AGENCY FOR THIS PROJECT IS THE TOWN.
THE DECISION O'N WHETHER OR NOT TO HAVE AN AIRPORT IN THIS LOCATION
IS A TOWN DECISION, IT' S A LOCAL DECISION. WE HOPE AND WE ENCOURAGE
PUBLIC DISCUSSION, FULL DISCUSSION ON IT, SO THAT ALL THE IMPACTS
AND IMPLICATIONS ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AND WE ARE ADVISING AND
ARE CONTINUING TO ADVISE THE TO'tN AND THE CONSULTANTS HOW WE FEEL
ON THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT.
DAVE SPOHN. .THANK YOU, PETER. HENRY?
HENRY YOUNG. . . .000D AFTERNOON, IfM HENRY YOUNG, I1M A COLLEAGUE OF PAUL
PUCKLI S. 17Y OFFICE IS STILL, O'I LON-- ISLAND, I. 1 MANHASSET. I
SPECIALIZE IN ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS AND ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS AS
yIrEY RELATE TO AIRPCRT DEVELOP�KP—NT. PART OF THIS PROJECT WILL BE
A COMPLETE ENVIRONTFENTAL A SESSP?E'NT WHICH WILL TAKE PLACE AS SOON
AS WE 'VE GONE THROUGH THE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. AT THAT TIME,
WE WILL BE LOOKING INTO ALL THE DIFFERENT RANGES OF ENVIRONMENTAL
/ i
IMPACTS. . WE Tit^VZ ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED A BRIEF ANALYSIS OF THE
NOISEIMPACT ASS OCT WITH THE LEVELS OF TRAFFIC WHICH WE FORE-
SAW IN OUR EARLIER PHASE I REPORT AND THE RESULTS OF THAT ANALYSIS
INDICATE THE CUMULATIVE NOISE LEVELS WHICH ARE THE STANDARD BY
WHICH THE F,JDERA.L AGENCIES MEASURE NOISE Il''PACTS WILL NOT GO OFF
THE SITE IN ANY WAY OR IN A MEANINGFUL WAY, ALTHOUGH OBVIOUSLY,
WE REALIZE THAT THERE WILL BE SII-TCL�j "VENT, THERE WILL BE IMPLOD-
ABLE EVENTS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT
IN TERMS OF THE GVER�ALL PROCESS. WE WILL BE LOOKING AT OTHER
ENVIRONMENTAL I_vPAC'TS AT SUCH TIME AS WE HAVE THE DETAILED SITE
PLAN SO THAT WE CAN GO FORWARD WITH THAT TYPE OF ANALYSIS.
DAVE SPOHN, .THANK YOU VERY MUCH, HENRY. LORRIN. .MR. LORRIN` BIRD, FROM
ITEW YORK STATE. . .
LORRIN BIRD. . .1,7 NAME IS LORRIN BIRD, I 'M WITH THE STATE AVIATION BUREAU
NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OR TRANSPORTATION IN ALBANY AND I WORK
WITH PETER POPTERANZ AND VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT HE SAID OUR ROLE IN
THIS IS TO BOTH, REPRESENT THE STATE'S INTERESTS IN THE STATE
AVIATION SYSTEM PLAN AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLANNING FOR THIS
STUDY IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND TECHNICAL POINTS
THAT WE ' RE INT ''RESTED IN REVEALING. THANK YOU.
DAVE SPOHN. . .THANK YOU LORRIN. ED. .
ED REEVES. . .MY NAME IS ED REEVES AND I :,'AS JUST ASKED TO BE ON THIS COM-
MITTEE BECAUSE OF PrY BASIC EDUCATION IN AVIATION. I 'VZ PEEN AN
AIRPORT OPERATOR FOR THE PAST TW NTV-T O YEARS. THANK YOU.
DAV, SPOHN. .RUTH.
. . . I' rq `:1UTH OLIVA, I'M PRESIDENT OF TII:� NORTH FORK ENVIRON-
RUTH OLIVA.I�I NTAL COUNCIL AND I THINK THE REASON I'M HERE IS OBVIOUS.
DAVE, SPOTIN. . .THANK YOU RUTH. O.F. , WITH THAT WE 'LL GO BACK TO DISCUSSION
WITH OUR COMMITTEE AND AT THE :ETD OF THAT WE'LL FOR COMMENTS AND
QUESTIONS FRO!',! THE AU7IENCE. THANK YOU. THIS IS PRETTY HARD TO
`ET GING HERE, rUT ANYf?OW 1.''v THE VARIOUS SITES THAT '•JE LOOKED
AT THIS MORNIN'T. SITES FIVE, SIX, THREE AND T?10, SITES FIVE AND
SIX. AS HAVE BEEN INDICATED BY PAUL, HAVE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY,
USING ALL THE FACTORS. SITE THREE WAS THE TOWN LANDFILL BUT THAT' S
VERY MUCH IN DISCUSSION NOW AS TO WHEN IT :MILL CLOSE, DUE TO - THE
FACT THAT IT' S MANDATED BY 1990, EUT THAS NOT FOR SURE, BECAUSE
THERE' S NO APPARENT SOLUTION. SO THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT WOULD
BE A READY ANSWER. THE BASIC IDEA WAS THAT IF THE LANDFILL HAD
TO BE. CAPPED, IT WOULD BE A GCOD PLACE TO PUT A STRIP ON TOP OF
THE PLACE WHERE YOU'RE RECAPPINI THE LANDFILL. SITE TWO WAS NORTH
OF OREGON ROAD. SO WE LOOKED AT THE VARIOUS SITES AND WE SAW THAT
THE ?IOUSES .THAT'.WERE INVOLVED, SIT+ FIVE HhD A HOUSE RIGHT, VERY
CLOSE TO WHERE THE PROJECTED RUNWAY WOULD BE, WHICH HAS TO BE AD—
DRESSED OBVIOUSLY. SITE SIX ALSO HAD HOUSING AT THE APPROACH END.
THIS IS THE SOUTH END OF THE RUNWAY. ON THESE PARTICULAR SITES THE
NORTH ENDS OF THE RUNWAY ARE OVER THE WATER. SO THERE IS, AS FAR
AS I KNOW, NO HOUSING LOCATED AT THE ENDS OF THE PROJECTED RUNWAYS
ON THE NORTH ENDS. PERHAPS ON SITE NUMBER FIVE THERE IS A SUMMER
BUNGALOW WEST OF THE APPROACH END OF SITE NUMBER FIVE. IT'S OWNED
BY A GENTLEMAN BY THE NAME OF WARWICK, WHO COMES OUT ON WEEKENDS.
I'VZ SPOKEN TO THE 7TENTLEMAN. HE CALLED WITH REFERENCE TO WHAT HE
HAD SEEN IN THE PAPER. HE SAID THAT HSE IS ALSO A PILOT AND HAS
MIXED EMOTION' AFOUT IT AND HE lv OULD LIKE TO " ET MORE INFORM'?ATION.
I HAVE GIV N HIP!' MY NUMPER AND AS SOON AS GSE HAV:; CON!PILsD THE
I?VFORMATIO v I HAVE PROMTC GIs!`: Hit-" WHATEVER WE, HAVE.
PETER POMERANZ. .IN LCCKI^1G AT SOME OF THE. SITES, I THINK WE CPN HAKE SOME
INITIAL CCifTlENTU , IWE LL RAVE FURTH ER COMM ENTS IN WRITI v`r TO YOU,
PAUL. BUT FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU LOOK AT SITES. . .IN LCOKING AT SITE
r
NUMBER T O/� TH r r S OREGON ROAD PASSES n T THE SOUTi -,, n
1roV• 11ar�1 J s s s � �.J r1 THE 1?l:.aRTT �lVD OF �I�
RUTkWAY AND ITIS ITT iiH E CLEAR ZONI4 AND IT MAY BE NZCESSARl_' TO RE—
LOCATE THAT ROAD !,WHICH ?MOULD CRE TE .";OME OTHER DIFFICULTIES.
I BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. ALSO,ALONG THE NORTHERN BOUNDRY
OF BOTH SITES FIVE AND SIX, YOU HAVE THE LILCO LINES. EITHER THE
RELOCATION OR THE BURYING OF THOSE LITIES WILL HAVE TO BE TAKEN
INTO ACCOUNT. WE PREVIOUSLY MADE THE OBSERVATION, LORRIN DID, THAT
THE CLEAR ZONES ARE NOT PROPERLY SCALED ON THE MAPS AND THEY ARE
SO MUCH SHORTER THAN ARE SHOWN ON THE MAPS. GO AHEAD, CONTINUE.
DAVE SPOHN. . .I BELIEVE, THE ITEM ON LILCO LITIES IN THE PAST THEY HAVE
BEEN APPROACHED AND HAVE GIVEN AN AVERAGE FIGUR~;` FOR BURYING THE
WIRES. THAT HAS BEEN LOOKED INTO. PAUL HAS A FIGURE ON THAT.
COMMENT. . . . . .
DAVE SPOHN. . .WELL, TO GIVE YOU A CONVERSATION. .ITIS NOTHING THAT"S IN
LETTER FORM, .TTI: LIGHTITdCi COMPATTY SAID TEAT THEIR RI 7HTS OF WAY,
III WHICH THEY USE THE POWER ILI ES OR CARRY THE POWER LINES ACROSS,
THEY HAVE THEM ON THE MAITI ROAD, I THINK THERE ARE FOUR LINES.
THIS IS SUBJECT TO GOING AND ACTUALLY LCOKING AT IT. AND THEY HAVE
THE .`MIRES THAT RUN THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE FIELDS WHICH ARE OF
LOWER POWER CAPABILITY BUT THEY DO HAVE THE RIGTIT OF WAY OF IMHERE
THOSE LINES GO. WHEN ASKED IF THEY WOULD MOVE THOSE LINES AND
RUN THEM DOWN TC THE TOAD, TH `' .ID THAT THAT �MAti a'T?EIR GPTION
OR DEICISI�ON.♦ RUT THEY UTiLL HAVE THE TTGT=T OF ?MAY, t T?D I DOi�1�T
1111T1ri, i�1TJ T 1 V��� N1L. �LL�A 11R.� t ?TT'Tu7T,Tl T 1r r.
i. i _� �0 :�0. �•�ITr: T:_C:,� :-�'R`I'ICJLAR
LINES. THOSE ARE 77"'r SMALL TO ERS 'ND TTIEY DO NOT CARRY THE
VOLTAGE i BELIEVE V's' TTIAT THE r�.,T-Er v^*I THE ROAD. THi1 OTI?S OF THE ROAD
nrr RY OT. A" I,T!1T=R C)`=' FAC = : BELIEVE, THE"' ON .0.,
ON THE ROAD
T: IC = " j Ti GRE SHUT 17,OWN. 'THEY DOti'TLGTT ^
HA;' _:�OTLCTIV ; MATS TIAL rl" W E. R Tc !^TORK ON T!E� . AND f.S FAR AS
{ R
TTIA-!,.T 7'1"1T TF,TYK T COULD ASK JOHN, :SACK '"HERE, -7 H" T;IS
T�T !_R ',IN
A777 TN--3TTT -�'�\T -ZZAT r ",jc-Z HE, 1-IORYS 'OR -mq- POWER C-1',�PANY
1PO R T
COMvIENT FROM 1'.-IR-2. OV,1:3RV TT7 ti UDIENCE
DAVE S P 0 H N �-,A I T-r', 1,i=, t RE NO 77 w U I T E T 0 H A T I N 11 "E,
I C
C01�`dl.'ENT FROM MRS. LKA7,RY IN AUjDTE'JfE
- T
JOHN SPOI-11N. THE L-LIE'. SO ACROSS THE FIELDS ARE 2.) :L KILOVOLTS. .23,COO VOLTS
�2
THE LINES ALONG THE NORTH ROAD AR 59 KV. . .THEY CARRY MORE POWER
THE 59 KVtS WERE INSTALLED BECAUSE THE 2312 KV LINES CAN'T HAND-EE
THE LOAD ANY LON"IER. WHETFIEER OR NOT THEY CAN OPERATE, STAND ALONE
WITHOUT THE OTHER I DON'T KNOW, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, BECAUSE til:,' DO
L
REC-JIV��
NIASTARA POWER, THAT IT MAKES -4IT
0 DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER, AS PAR- AS
THE AVAILABILITY OF THAT POWER. . . . . . ( ) . . . . IT DOESN' T EFFECT THE
I S Z-1 ULE ONE WAY OR '"FE OTHER.
COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE
JOHN SPOT1,111. . .THER�, AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE AT
THIS POINT. . . .THEY'RE STILL IN THE MEETING,O.K. ?
COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE
DAVE SPOHN. . . .THANK YOU FOR THE ']NFOR4ATIONtl-'l.JOfJN.- JOHN ..WAS ADDRESSED:-B9-
CAUSE HE HAS ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE ON WHAT THE POWER CAPABILITIES OF
THE VARIOUS CABLES ARE, WHICH I THINK T-Q APPROPRIATE. WEILL CON-
INUE.
RUTH OLIVA. . . .MY CONCERN HAS BEEN AND WILL BE FARMLAND PRESERVATION. AND
EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND IT'S 140 SOME ACRES OF OPEN LAND, IviEfRE
STILL TAKING IT OUT OF FARM PRODUCTION. THAT IS A CONCERN. I WAS
HOPING THAT `.-roU COULD FIND JUST S01frE LAND WHERE THE SOILS WERE NOT
AS GOOD. ?'UT THESE ARE IN PRIME FARMLAND LOCATIONS, AS YOU CAN
n�;.;,
BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER PARCELS
IJS AR07LTD THAT ARE IN THE
FARMLAND PRESERVATIOV PROGRPM NOW. AND HOPEFULLY AS OTHER, AS THESE
OWNERS SE's THS OTI?ERS COI"T'� INTO THE FARMLAND PRESERVf..TIO 7, RC�. RAJ`,,
TUy1 MORE A'-'TD MORE vILL ENTER I? CR FIND �.On UTL7R I,11uAna
OF DOIivv
II. SO TFA^T, I THINK, IS PROBABLY MY MAINCC ICERN i^iITH THE SITE
SELECTIONS.
DAME SPOHN. .O.K. ED, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMN INTS?
ED REEVES. .MY ONLY COYMENT ON THE PART OF FIVE AND SIX IS CROSSING OREGON
ROAD. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE RUNWAY THRESHOLD IS GOING
TO BE?
DAVE SPOHN. . .THAT' S SITE TWO, ED.
ED REEVES. .C.K. , RIDDLE RD. , 48, I ',J. SORRY.
DAVE SPOHN. . .OH$ '70U WERE TALKING ABOUT 48, THE DISPLACE'MENI . THAT'S
PAUL'S. . .
PAUL PUCKLI. . ( . . . . . ) 'onD FE DISPLACED?
ED REEVES. . .YES, AS YOU'.RE GOING OVER F,IGHWAY 48.
PETER` PONRAV, I HAD ASKED EARLIER, YOU KrTG'rd IF
SURFACE HAD BEEN SET OUT AND PAUL SAID NO, NOT AT THIS POINT
LORRIN BIRD. . . .WE LOOKED AT IT AT CUR OFFICE WHEN WE GOT THE REPORT AND
THERE WOULD BE ADEQUATE CLEARANCE OVER MIDDLE ROAD FOR A FIFTEEN
FOOT VEHICLE BASED ON A TWENTY TO ONE APPROACH SURFACE WHICH WOULD
BE APPLICABLE FOR THIS AIRPORT BECAUSE IT'S A UTILITY RUNWAY. SO
IT WOULD BE A TWENTY TO ONE CLEARANCE. I 'D LIKE TO ASK SOMETHING.
I UNDERSTAND, JUTST FROM WHAT I HE!�ZD, I THINK THERE- WERE TWO POWER
LINES, OR TWO LINES DON MIDDLE ROAD, ON SITE NUMBER FIVE. BOTH
OF THOSE C11'?LD BE :1 'DE'R1RC�TD�D?
DAVE SPOHN. . . .NOP Cr THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD THERE'S HIGH POLES. I
TUTINK THEY'RE PRCBABLY rT--'-iE FIFTY FOOT ARIETY. THAT'S PURELY A GUE
THAT R ' ,' ALOE-1 THE 50 1Ti? STD , CF z O TE 1_�8. THE LINES WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT BURYTI C. .
LORRIN BIRD. . . .WHAT ABOUT THIS LINE?
l�
DAVE SPOHT'. . .T'H.IS THAT ONE NOT BET71T AJOPES:;ED AT T1TIS .POINT.
LORRIN BIRD. . . .B ,CAUSE I HAD WORKED FOR mtrr;
f 1
r ,
�'I V�E }� r^L7^C , :iii DTT"'ry *r �n "
u _ u �'�i V IL�� 1\;J JIIL 0 Fz_i :c
Ti-AT THEA_' T•'T0" f'T' HAVs TO BE F- C SE' c. mT-t, r r1r*- r. n,
1 iTR� Aar,.. LTJ ,, _ 1 .i, ;LD All \J ,—
QUIRE AN ANALYSIS O SEE TELL, I"' 'Y^?T iLELOCATT Tui i'T'd�'rAY n?
'aT YP TLr�TT iTZ, r T� �r1 TT r�TT D \ VE lIJ mn Sc' l. + VL, �1..J 1✓u \/V:.IL A�, 1 �-
L �Ii RSD. Ccs ,dIN CORA � m SS H ^4 r F
,. . O':"LSJ� TT v .LUrOF THE H 'IND SOME O ?HE IMPACT OF R?FO"rz
ATING
THE ':..eVi 1.�.'�, .iJ JU iJ T4DJ, I 1/V!i f T i,;EAN TO B� IST_'.i.1151. 21?!ter iT''!m mT�E
BE ..v..�� , 1liJ
VALTIu OF QAv -r7'1. A HOUSE MIGHT GHT BE -TCRTH LOOKING INTO IN DETAIL.
6tiTE%
NOT IN GREAT DETAIL., BUT AT LEAST EXAMINING WHETHER THE lciTNWAYS CAN
BE SHIFTED A LITTLE. THE COMM—NTS WE ARE GOING TC BE SUBMITTING ON
THIS REPORT, I THIJ NK, ARE GOING TO BE ASK 7-1-T FOR, BEFORE THIS 'FINAL
-
14 LOOKING AT REALIGNING THE RUNWAY SLIGHTl-37 UO AS TO MINIMIZE
THIS, B;CATSE IT IS A PROBLEM. I 'D LIKE TO ASK ONE OTHER THING. IN
A WAY, I KNOW ITfS NOT OPEN TO DISCUSSION FROM THE AUDIENCE, BUT
I HAD NOTICED THAT THERE' S A TREE LINE UP AGAINST THE COAST AND
IF A LOT OF THESE SITES, THE END OF THE RUNWAYS IS VERY VERY CLOSE
TO THE COASTLINE. I GUESS � ONE T:TING WE' RE WONDERING ABOUT. . .WE'RE
NOT SAYING THE SITES ARE NOT O.K. BUT THE RUNWAY END IS SO CLOSE
TO THE COASTLINE THAT THE STANDARD CLEARANCES WOULD REQUIRE CLEARINi.
THOSE TREES BECAUSE YOU CAN f T HAVE, A RUNWAY, YOU KNOW, WITH A FORTY
FOOT HIGH TRE J, TWO HUNDRED T��ET OFF THE '—,sND OF IT. AND WE'RE WON—
DERING WHAT KIND OF IMPACT CLEARING TREES WOULD HAVE ON THE ECHO
SYSTEM. .WHATEVER YCU TvTANT TO Ot.TF IT.
RUTH OLIVA. . .LTSTTAT LY TITT- m;?:: PLA"TjIII'V'T ;Ct I? THEY REQUIRE
HUNDRED FOOT
SETBACKS FOR ANY HOMES GOINC-1 IN OR THEY DO RE'Q TIRE SOME TYPE OF
BLUR PLANT 1:i'GS. IT CAN BE L i?ti, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TALL TREES
BT T AS LONG AS YOU KEEP IN SUCH THITdGS AS HONEYSUCKLE AND POISON
ALL THC L' , 13A STY THIi1!iS TO LOOK AT, RUT AT LEAST ALL
T'T?I ROOTS HOLD TITE BANK IN AND HAirE SOME KIND OF' BEACH GRASS OR
THAT HAVE YOU THAT IS ON THE BANK AND KEEP IT ESTABLISHED THERE.
.
LORRTN BIRD. . . . ..'CAUSE 1 COULD FO ES a_, TIIER7' 3 '� ATTIT?i-F�t Ci+', BE-
CAUSE THIS AIRPORT TS NEAR A COAST, THE F.A.A. 0.1 0.11E HAND THEY
HAVE STRICT' CLEARANCES, ARE GOING TO SAY, THE SAFETY AREA '�,FHICH
LOOKS LIKE IT RUNS TO WITHIN FIFTY FEET OF THE COAST, HAS TO BE
ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, SO THAT IF A PLANE COMES IN SHORE, IT DOESN'T
RIP THE PLANT, TO BITS. AND YOU CAN'T HAVE, THEY'LL PROBABLY REC-
OMMEND THAT YOJ NOT HAVE S0,?ETHING. THAT IT A PLANE, USUALLY,
FIXTURES WITHIN THE SAFETY AREA ARE TRANGABLE, WHICH MEANS THEY
HAVE A BUILT IN WEAKNESS AT THE BASE. IF A PLANE HITS THEM, WHAT
HAPPENS IS THE. . . . . .JUST FLIE'S AWAY. THAT'S ON ONE HAND. NOW, AS
FAR AS PUTTING BUSHES IN THERE, PROBABLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, IS THE
F.A.A. HAVE TO BE, A WAIVER tlOULD HAVE TO BE REQUESTED. I 'M NOT
SURE WHETHER THERE'S SOME COAST MANAGEMENT, FEDERAL ORGANIZATION
OR SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HAVE, OR SOIL• CONSERVATION, THAT MIGHT
HAVE SOME KIND OF JURISDICTION. OVER. .
RUTH OLIVA. . . I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE JURISDICTION BUT WE USUALLY TAKE
COMMLNTS' FROM THE SOIL AND WATER CONSERVATION PEOPLE DOWN IN RIVER-
HEAD, SUFFOLK COUNTY. THEY WILL GIVE; SOME SORT OF A PLAN AS TO
WHAT WILL BE SUITABLE FOR PLANTING AND PERHAPS EVEN FOR THAT. BE-
CAUSE' OUR BANKS ARE, m^0 'JPISTABLL. WJE'VE SEEN BANKS THAT WERE STABL:
FOR THIRTY YEARS AND TN STO1314 NELSOTd,, STARTED TO ERODE. SO, AND
THAT WAS WITH SOME5 PLANTINGS ON IT. S0, REALLY, MOST IMPORTANT
THAT YOU TRY TO KEEP _SOMETHI713, UP TITERE TO KELP THAT BANK IN.
LORRIN BIRD. . .THE THING HERE, ALSO, I� TO ME77 THE lF.A.A. CLEARANCES..
IT LOOKS LIKE, I DON'"_' KNOW
iIIGH THOSE TREES ARE, MAYBE FIFTY
FEET. .SO YCITR TALKI`�T. ABOUT CL-EAR Il ??,Ti:'N T'A':LV , TO FIFTEEN
H'INDRED F , T OF TRE,S ALON1. TH?', COASTLINE'. AND YOU KNOW IT COULD
BE VERY POTENTIALLY SEITSITIVE IN Ti7AT TN; F.A.A. SHOULD BE BROUGHT
IN VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE FISH AND GIILDLi-I.? IF VERY PARTICULAR ABOUT
Oi
�,
WHAT YOU PUT AROUND AIRPORTS THAT IT DOESN'T ATTRACT BIRDS. AND
THERE ARE SOME BUSHES THAT BIRDS LOVE TO LIVE IN. SO IF YOU PUT
UP LIKE A MULBERRY BUSH OR SOMETHING YOU MAY END UP HAVING FLOCKS
SITTING ON THE BUSH. AND THEN THE F.A.A. . .SLE, BEING SO CLOSE
TO THE RUNWAY THIS IS GOING TO BE ULTRA-SENSITIVE BECAUSE YOU WANT
IT CLEAR AND YOU DON'T WANT TO BRING ANIMALS IN, YOU DON'T WANT TO
ATTRACT ANIMALS THAT LIVE IN BUSHES EITHER.
RUTH OLIVA. . .IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO CONTACT THEM BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE
SOME MORE VALUABLE SUGGESTIONS. I WONDPR IF THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF
LOW MATTED GROWTH THAT WOULD HOLD A BANK IN AND YET NOT BE HIGH
AND NOT ATTRACT BIRDS WITH SEEDS AND WHAT HAVE YOU:.
LORRIN BIRD. . .FISH AND WILDLIFE IS MONOPOLIZING THINGS. IT'S VERY VERY
ODD, LIKE THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO CUT THE GRASS TOO LOW BECAUSE IF
YOU CUT THE GRASS LOW, BIRDS MIGHT SIT IN IT. BUT IF YOU DON'T
CUT_.IT LOW ENOUGH,
RUTH OLIVA. . .THEN YOUR OTHER BIRDS WILL COME IN.
LORRIN BIRD. . . .YES, AND WHAT HAPPENS IS, THEY FIND THAT DURING THE WARM
WEATHER WORMS COME UP ON THE RUNWAY. DO GULLS EAT WORMS?
RUTH OLIVA. . NO, BUT ROBINS DO.
CORRIN BIRD. . .AND BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THIS AIRPORT, WE HIGHLY SUG-
GEST THAT AS MANY ORGANIZATIONS BE BROUGHT IN AS POSSIBLE SO THAT
I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THAT TEE STUDY LOOKS AT IT FROM A LOT OF POINTS
OF VIEW, BEFORE A RECOMMENDED SITE IS ACCEPTED. BY ANYBODY, WE 'RE
GOING TO PUSH THAT WE!D LIKE THE AMOUNT OF REVIEW THAT IT ' S GIVEN
EXPANDED OUT.
DAVE SPOHN. . . .O.K. WELL PAUL, WHAT WAS THE DISPLACEMENT OR HAVEN'T YOU
ACTUALLY PUT IT ON THERE? IT WAS JUST A SKETCH? O.K. THAT HAS
NOT BJJN SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED BUT YOUR COMMENTS WILL CDRTAINLY
BE ADDRESSED. THANK YOU LORRIN.
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P. POMERANZ. . . IT MIGHT BE USEFUL IF THE VAP SHOWED THE ELECTRIC LT'?E
AND
DAVE SPOHN. . .IT'S FURTHER DOWN, PETER, IT' S ON THE MAP FLIGHT THERE.
P. POME RANZ. . . IS THAT TT?
DAVE SPOHN. . .YES, THAT'S IT.
P. POMERANZ. . . IN SPEAKING TO LILCO DC YOU HAVE AIN'T IDEA HOW MUCH OF THAT
WOULD HAVE TO BE BURIED?
PAUL PUCKLI. . . I THINK WE GAVE THEM A WIDTH SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD COVE
THAT PROPERTY THERE.
P. POMERANZ. . .O.K. . . . . .
DAVE SPOHN. . .A THOUSAND FEET
PAUL PUCKLI. . .` ES, IT'S ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET
DAVE SPOHN. . . IT WTAS A THOUSAND FEET THAT THEY GAVE A ROUGH ESTIMATE ON.
P. POMERANZ. . . .WILL THEY BE OBSTRUCTIONALIZING THE TO'rrERS THAT ARE LEIFT?
YOU KNOW, PUTTING ?ED LIGHTS ON THEM?
DAVE SPOHN. . . I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THAT IS A REQUIREMENT, THAT ANYTHING
WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS HAVE THE RED LIGHTS ON ANYTHING ON EITHER
SIDE.
LORRIN BIRD. . . . . . IT MIGHT BE ADVANTAGEOUS ALSO TO PUT . . . , IfM GOING ON
THE MAP, I 'M AFRAID, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE, THC TREE AREAS, THE
AREAS THAT HAVE TREES ON THEN:, PLACED ON THIS DRAWING AND THAT
THE AREAS OF TREES CLOSE INTO THE SITES THAT ARE GOING TO BE RE-
MOVED BE CLEARLY IP�DICATED. Yii T -r% THAT WHENEVER OTHER PEOPLE
REVIEW TiI°, T']r,-;'Y ET � � nc, �.TT1VE 0I. ACTUALLY WHAT' S '.-�C
ING
ON.
DAVE SPOHN. . .'.F�LL, THATtZ l-)AUL ' IT`,M.
P. POPSRA17. . . S, YOU RE T.LY DONT'' SEE HERE Ti,HERE THE TREE LINE IS. YOU
7—T"I'71" TIE ON THE SITE. .YOIJ HAD IT ON THE AERIAL. IT MIGHT BE
USEFUL. TO EITHER SHADE IN OR SHOW THAT.
LORRIN BIRD. . . .ONE MORE THING,WE ARE GOING TO ASK THAT NOISE CONTOURS
BE PLACED ON THE DRAWINGS, IF POSSIBLE. BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THE
NOISE, ACCORDING TO THE CONTOUR ANALYSIS WON'T BE SIGNIFICANT,
IN CLOSE, IT SHOULD BE SHOWN JUST SO THAT IT'S OBVIOUS. IT' S KIND
OF DIFFICULT TO GO FROM THE DRAWING IN THE BACK TO THIS ONE HERE,
WITHOUT ACTUALLY HAVING IT ON THE DRAWING.
PAUL PUCKLI. . .THAT WILL BE IN THE FINAL PLANS.
LORRIN BIRD. . .FINAL PLANS MEANING THE FINAL VERSION OF THIS REPORT?
PAUL PUCKLI. . .NOS THE MASTER PLANS:
LORRIN BIRD. . . .BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS, IS IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO REVIEW
AN ALTERNATIVE, UNLESS YOU HAVE THE NOISE CONTOURS ON THE DRAWINGS
BECAUSE THE SCALE OF THIS DRAWING IS KIND OF DISSIMILAR TO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE WORK SCOPE OF THE STUDY INDICATED THAT THE
CONTOURS WOULD BE PLACED ON THE ALTERNATIVE DRAWINGS. WE HIGHLY
SUGGEST IT SO THAT THE RELATIONSHIP OF ?-.'HAT' S IN THE BACK TO WHAT'S
ON THE DRAWING CAN BE
DAVE SPOHN. .THAT'S PAUL'S ITEM
P. POMERAN'ZE. . . IN OTHER WORDS WE'RE TREATING, WE'RE GOING TO TREAT THIS
REPORT AS A DRAFT REPORT AS THE' FIRST PHASE. . . . .
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RUTH OLIVA. . .A COST ANALYSIS OF THr' WHOLE PROJECT BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT
WAS KIND OF LACKING. I CO :LDN'T FIND JUST WHAT -IT' S GOING TO COS':
THE TOWN UNLESS I DID SOIfE FI --URING AROUND.
PAUL PUCKLI . . .THE COSTS RIGHT NOW ARE VERY PRELIMINARY BUT IN THE NEXT
STALE, WE'LL DO A DETAILED COST ANALYSIS AND A FINANCIAL PLAN.
RUTH OLIVA. . . .PECAUS'E I THI %TK TuAT'S TiOST IMPORTANT AND I 'M SURE THE
TOWN BOARD IS iOIN' TO LOCF. AT THAT AS THE BOTTOM L=NE.
DAVE SPOHN. . .'r ALL, AINY MORE CO M` ],'TTS'?
PETER POMERANZ. . . I THINK IT MIGHT BE OF USE TO SPELL OUT THAT IF THE
TOWN GOES AHEAD THIS IS A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT, THAT THERE CAN BE
AN AGREEMENT ON AN AIRPORT SITE AND IT IS DEVELOPED, THAT THE SPLIT
IN FUNDING IS 90% FEDERAL FUNDING, 72 STATE FUNDING AND THE LOCAL
SHARE IS 21% OF THE COST.
RUTH OLIVA. . .I THINK SO FAR THAT WEIVE ADDED IT UP, IT COILS TO ALMOST
RIGHT NOW, IN ROUGH FIGURES.,S, ALPS?OST $1000000. AND THE $100.9000
TO THIS TOWN IS A LOT OF MONEY. AND THERE ARE MANY PROJECTS TN
TOWN THAT:ARE ,MOST IMPORTANT .:TO .THE PEOPLE IN TOWN AND IT'S GOING
TO BE KIND OF UP TO THEM TO LET THrEIR LEGISLATORS KNOW WHICH IS
MOST IMPORTANT.
P. POMERANZ. . .RIGHT, BALANCING A NEW FACILITY,THAT AND IT' S ENVIRONP[ENT
AND ECONOMIC IMPACT ON THE TOWN.-IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL INDUSTRY
AND JOBS AGAINST THE IMPACT ENVIRONMENTALLY. AND THAT' S A DECISION
THE TOWN HAS TO MAKE.
DAVE; SPOHN. . .PETER, IS SOME OF THAT TOWN' S SHARE APPLICABLE TO SERVICES
IN KIND?
P. POMERANZ. . IF THE TOWN . . , I THINK I CAN REST DEAL WITH THAT BY EXAMPLE.
WE DEAL WITH THE COUNTY, FOR INSTANCE AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED PART
OF THEIR SHARE BY PROVIDING ENGINEERINGSERVICES FOR A PARTICULAR
FACILITY. IF THE MUNICIPALITIES INVOLV1D AT TIMES THEY DO ALLOWY
CERTAIN THINGS. THERE IS SOIAE,LEEWAY, THERE.
DAVE SPOHN. . .THERE ARE SOME CERTAIN THINGS.
P. POMERANZ. .BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE UP FOR DISCUSSION AT THAT POINT ._.
IN TIME.
RUTH OLPIA. . . . .WOULD YOU EXPLAIN TO THE A UDI E"ICE WHAT IS IjPA NT BY "IN-
KIND" SERVIC':S I"vSTEPD OF THE, 110NEY FOR TIL IN-KIND SERVICES FROM
THE TOWN TO EQUAL THAT AI-.iOUNT. OF MONEY.
DATE SPOHNI . . .YES, 41ELL, I TiiI"?K MAYBE PAUL COULD HANDLE THAT BETTER.
PAUL PUCK Li. . .WTTAT "IN-KIND" SERVICLa ARE IS SOMETHING WE CALL "FORCE
COTT
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THAT A. IPAI=Y
A NUINBER OF —'�TIUDIES- Lllir'�,E THAT SIP I M 7 L T 0 r r'.-.11 Z. THE 1,UN I C
PAID JUST PAID Ill SERVICaZiS lit'-THER THAN ACTUAL DOLLARS TO HELP
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US DO THE STUDY. THAT'S Wj J�il'r
"IN—KIND" SERVICES AR1:1.
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DAVE SPOHN. . .TITAIA �Lf YO
LORRIN "BIRD. . .COULD I JUST BREAK IN AGAIN? YOU HAD BROUGHT UP THE
$100#000, A FIGURE THAT' S IN TFF-17 REPORT, I GUESS FOR THE LOCAL
SHARE AND I 'M NOT TRYING TO DO THE NEXT PHASE OF THE REPORT, BUT
THAT A'100,000, BUT THIS MASTER PLAN IS COVERING A TivrENTY YEA.R,
PERIOD SO THAT THE DEVELOPMENT IN IT COVERS TWENTY YEARS. NO,-,'
THE $100, 000 SHARE IS THE LOCAL SHARE'- IF EVERYTHING CN THE PLAN
IS CONSTRUCTED WITHIN THE NEXT TWENTY YEARS. ONE OF THE
RUTH-OLIVA. . .I WOULD SAY IT COTTLDN' T BE THE NEXT T%7ENTY YEARS., NOT THE
WAY INFLATION'S GOING, LORRT—N.
LORRIN BIRD. . .WELL, THAT'S REAL DOLLARS, THAT'S TODAY, PROBABLY IT'LL
BE MAYBE A BILLION IN TWENTY YEARS. BUT WHAT ANOTHWER SPONSOR BROU-JE
UP IN A SITE SELECTION REPORT IS THE LAND ACQUISITION FOR THE
STUDY BASED ON WHAT I SEE IN THIS REPORT, COMES OUT TO ABOUT A
$35, 000 LOCAL SHARE. . .THAT'S $35,000 ATM WHAT ANOTHER SPONSOR OF
.THE SITE SELECTION STUDY GROUP OF GLOVERSVILLE—JOHNSTOWN, UPSTATE
7 T,,IHEN.V ,
EMPHASI"ED AND IS THAT TTT'l 7F THEY DECIDE,, NOT
TO1.1N WHEN, , - -
TO IMPIr I T
IF THEY D.]CID-'i LE Tqj], FTI R ST S-r" '7 0 "
T"..IRMAL4�Y THE :FIRST
STAGE q IN
A MASTER PLAN, TO '4LTOT—E THE FE1JL06d F"kOM JjOHNSTO'viN. PROVIDE
THE MINIMUM NECESSARY FACILITIs,1'3. THEE JOTIN
STONFN AIRPORT, WHIG IS
VERY VEMY FAMILIAR,, SIMILAR rT
OT FAMILIAR,,VERY VERY SIMILAR TO THIS.,
ALL THEY' RE PLANNING OU IT FOR THE 71RST STAGE IS A RUNWAY, A SIN. u-L
TAXI""AY FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE RUNWAY TO THE TERMINAL AREA AND A
'RON. THE COST FOR THEM RIGHT?, I CANS,,
;,THE FIGURE OUT HERE
I -M
EUT IT DOESN'T INCLUDE A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT, ALONG THE
LINE, LIKE A TAXIWAY THAT RUTS THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THE RUNWAY,
BIGGER APRONS, 19HAT THEY'RE ASSUMING IN THE -XLOVERSVILLE AREA,
IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TURN THE AIRPORT OVER TO A FIXED—BASE
OPERATOR WHO WILL COME IN, HE WILL BUILD A TERMINAL, HE WILL PUT
UP HANGARS, HE WILL PUT IN THE FUEL FACILITY. I 'M NOT TRYING TO
JUMP AHEAD OF THE STUDY. THE F.B. O. , FIXED BASE OPERATOR, WHAT
HE'LL DO IS HE WILL TAKE OVER EVERYTHING BASICALLY EXCEPT MAYBE
CUTTING THE GRASS OR HE MIGHT. .SOMEZ AIRPORTS THEY DO THAT. AT
CANASTOTA, THE FIXED BASE OPERATOR CUTS THE GRASS, MOWS THE RUN—
WAY. HE DOES EVERYTHING FOR THE COUNTY, FOR THE VILLAGE, EXCUSE
" , FOR THE TOWN AND HE PAYS FOR THE RIGHT TO CLEAR THE RUNWAY,
FOR THE TOWN. NOW, FULTON COUNTY EVEN THOUGH THEIR AIRPORT OVER
THE TWENTY YEARS WILL PROBABLY BE ALMOST EXPENSIVE AS THIS, PROB—
ABLY VERY SIMILAR, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO BUILD. . . IF YOU DECIDE TO
BUILD THE AIRPORT YOU AGREE TO BUILD THE FIRST STAGE. NOW THE
SECOND STAGE, WHICH COULD BE THE FULL TAXI WAY, BIGGER APRONS,
FANCIER LIGHTS, YOU KNOW.APPROACH, THAT YOU CAN IMPLEMENT WHEN
YOU BUILD WHEN YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT. NOW IF THE FIRST
STAGE PASSES AND THAT'S ALL THAT THERE' S MONEY AVAILABLE TO DO,
THAT'S ALL YOU BUILD. WHEN YOU SIGN THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN .'WHEN
THE TOWN APPROVES THE A.O P. , WHAT THEY DO IS THEY APPROVE IT IN
CONCEPT. AT THE END OF THE STUDY THERE WILL BE A LAYOUT PLAN AND
WHEN YOU APPROVE IT IN CONCEPT, THAT MEANS WELL, IF ?dE BUILD ANY—
THING IN THE FUTURE, IF, WE' RE GOITNG TO BUILD IT ACCORDING TO THE
PLAN. WHEN YOU GET A GRANT FROM THE F.A.A. , IF YOU GET IT, TO
BUY'.THE :LAND AI19 TO BUILD THE RUNWAY, YOUt RE NOT REQUIRED TO BUILD
.ANY OTHER THING, EVER, THAT'S ON THE PLANS. SO I WANT TO BRING
THAT OUT BECAUSE THE NUMBERS ARE IN HERE ARE TWENTY YEARS, THEY'RE
t
ULTIMATE NUMBERS AND IF THE TOWN AGRE^S TO GO ALONG WITH ONE SITE
AND TO CTO ALONG WITIi THIS, APPROVING THE PLAN DOES NOT REQUIRE THEY
TO BUILD IT, EVER, IF YOU APPROVE THE A.O.P.
RUTH OLIVA. .JUST LIKE OUR OTHER MASTER PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BUT NEVER
FULLY ADOPTED. I MEAN THAT WAS A LAND PLAN BUT
LORRIN BIRD. . .UNTIL YOU SIGN THE FEDERAL APPLICATION AND YOU ACCEPT THEIR
MONEY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD ANYTHING. AND ONCE YOU DO BUILD
SOMETHING YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD ANY MORE. SO THAT'S WHAT WILL
BE LOOKED AT IN LATER PARTS OF THE STUDY WHERE THE CONSULTANT IS
GOING TO SAY WELL, IT'S GOING TO COSTA $100,000 OVER TWENTY YEARS
FOR THE TOWN. AND THEN HE' S GOING TO LOOK AT FUNDING SOURCES,
THIS IS THE NEXT STAGE AFTER. HE'S GOING TO SAY, WELL A $1000000
THE TOWN WILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH $50,000 TO BUILD THE FIRST
STAGE AND DO THEY HAVE THAT MUCH? AND BASED ON THAT, IT'S VERY
POSSIBLE, WELLL, ITIS POSSIBLE, EXCUSE ME, THAT WHAT'S AT THIS
STAGE MIGHT BE SCALED DOWN A LITTLE MORE. IN OTHER STUDIES IT'S
HAPPENED THAT YOU SHOW A FIVE THOUSAND FOOT LONG RUNWAY IN THE
FIRST STAGE AND IT TURNS OUT THAT THERE'S AN INDIAN BURIAL GROUND
OR SOMETHING UNDERNEATH THERE AND YOU CAN ONLY BUILD THREE THOUSAND
S0, I WANT TO BRING OUT THAT THE NUMBERS IN HERE ARE ULTIMATE AND
THE REFINEMENT THAT THEY ARE GOING TO 30 THROUGH MAY CHANGE THEM
DRASTICALLY. AS WE EARLIER M-ENTIONED, THE RUNWAY- ALIGNMENTS HERE
MIGHT BE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.
DAVE SPOHN. .THANK YOU VERY MUCH, LORRIN. 'TOW, FROM MY GROUP, DO I HAVE
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?
ED REEVES. .,. .DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHICH SITE I PICKED?
DAVE SPOI-I'll. . .WHICH ONE YOU PICKED.
LORRIN EIRD. . .THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.
DAVE SPOHN. . .SITE TWO. . .THAT'S YOUR
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ED REEVES. . . I LIKE BEING ON 48, BUT I JUST THINK THIS nAS A LOT LESS
PROBLEMS, OVER—ALL.
DAVE SPOHN. . .CH.
LORRIN BIRD. . . . . . .AND YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO RELOCATE THE ROAD OR REALIGN
IT .
ED REEVES. . . . .YOU DONIT HAVE TO BURY WIRES
LORRIN BIRD. . .THERE 'S NO WIRES. .
DAVE SPOHN. . . .WELL, THERE IS SOME VERY LOW TENSION WIRES, N0, UP THERE
ALONG OREGON ROAD THERE ARE.
ED REEVES. . .UP HERE?
DAVE SPOHN. . .NO,THERE.
ED REEVES. . .OH, THEY'RE MINOR
DAVE SPOHN. . .OH, THEY'RE SMALL ONES, THEY'RE THE SMALLEST SIZE.
LORRIN BIRD. . .THE ROAD IS IN THE CLEAR ZONE IN THE BE`INNING OF THE CLEAR
ZONE. IF YOU GO ALONG WITH THAT ALIGNMENT, YOU EITHER HAVE TO
CUT THE ROAD OFF . .
DAVE SPOHN. . .CH, NO. WHAT lE WAS. . .HE AGREED WITH YOU_`THAT WE HAD TO
MOVE THE ROAD AROUND BUT HE WAS SAYING THERE WEREN'T ANY WIRES AND
I WAS POINTING OUT THERE WERE WIRES WHICH WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW THE
ROAD OR HAVE TO BE' BURIED, ONE OF THE TWO, . . .
LORRIN BIRD. . . . BURIED, HEAH.
DAVE SPOHN. . .FOLLOW THE ROAD OR BE BURIED.
ED REEVES. . . I 'VE ?;sN ON INTERSTATE 95 FOR THE PAST 17 YEARS.
DAVE SPOHN. . .YEAH, f'I BHT ON RUNWAY Ofd� EI IHT. AIdYON1U mPT SE HAVE COf1'r•:ENTS
ON THEIR L:7,AITINGS Cid THE SITES WE LOOKED AT THIS MORNINT`? OR DO
YOU WANT TO TAKE IT UNDER AD`!ISEMENT AND LOOK AT IT A LITTLE CLOSER
BEFOnE YOU MAKS COMN'ENTTS ONT IT? O.K. FOR THE NTEXT ITEM 017, BUSINESS
I THINK IT WOULD BE 'AAELL TO TURN OFF THE LI`HTS AND WE 'LL JUST SHOW
YOU THE PROPOSED SITES ON THE SCREEN. AND AT THAT TIME, AFTER THAT,
.WE?!,LL TAKE COMIKENTS AND QUESTIONS FROM ,T AUDfI E.
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A SERIES OF SLIDES SHOWING THE SELECTED SITES FROM SEVERAL VIEWS AND
A SERIES OF SLIDES SHOWING AIRPORTS. IN REFERENCE TO HOUSING IN SOUTH-
OLD TOWN AND SURROUNDING AREAS. COMMENTS WERE MADE DURING THIS PRES-
ENTATION AND MAY BE REVIEWED B�. LISTENING TO THE TAPE.
DAVE SPOHN. . . I DIDNTT JET THAT. JUST SAY YOUR NAME AND REPEAT THE
STATEMENT.
ERIC BERGMAN. . . . .MY NAME IS ERIC BERGMAN AND I DON'T WANT THE AIRPORT
THERE. WE ARE LIVING THERE NOW. WE ARE ALREADY THERE NOW. WE
DON'T WANT AN AIRPORT THERE. I DO11TT WANT AN AIRPORT FOUR HUN-
DRED FLET FROM MY BACK_ DOOR. YOU KEEP ALL THESE BEAUTIFUL PICTURES
YOU SHOWED US, HOW THE POPULATION BUILT UP . BECAUSE THE PEOPLE
HAD A CHOICE, IF THEY 19ANTED TO MOVE NEXT TO THE AIRPORT. YOURE
NOT GIVING ME THE CHOICE, YOU'RE TELLING RIE, I 'M PUTTING AN AIR-
PORT THERE.
DAVE SPOHN. . . .WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE A CONCERN, YOUR CONCERN WILL
HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED AND TO YOUR SATISFACTION. SO DO YOU ACCEPT
THAT STATEMENT?
ERIC BERGMAN. . .IF I 'M SATISFIED. . . . . .EVERYBODY ELSE, THERE ' S A LOT OF
OTHER PEOPLE, NOT JUST NT. THERE' S A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE CONCERNDSD
ABOUT HAVING AN AIRPORT, NOT JUST 1,111E.
JOHN SPOHN. . .MR. BERGMAN, YOU DO PERSONALLY, OR THE PEOPLE THAT LI`C'E IN Ti
AREA OF THAT PARTICULAR TRACT WERE NOT UINGLED OUT. THEY DID NOT
AY `71.1, ` ARE THE PEOPLE. THIN STUDY SAYS THAT OF, THE SITES THAT
ERE LOCA'E'D AT, T 'ATT Tt-FE ONE THAT THEY FELT WOULD HAVE THE LEP°T
EFFECT. AT NO" TI::E, DID THEY SAY IT WOULD IJAVE NO EFFECT. THEY
RECOG71T7 -'. 'HAT ITT " GOING TO EFFECT THE QUALITY OF THE LIFE OF
501`7 OF THE PEOPLE I_l THE AREA OF THE AIRPORT AND THEY RECOGNIZE
+ . . . . . . . THAT PEOPLE IN THAT AREA ARE GOING TO BE VERY CONCERNED
ABOUT WHAT HAPPEN-- TO
MR. BERGMAN. . . .THE PEOPLE WERE FEVER ASKED.
''DAVE SPOHIJ. . .ON THAT DIRECT POINT, YES, THAT' S THE PROEL-EM.
ERIC BERGMAN. . .THIS IS GOING BACK TO WHAT HAPPENED THIS HORNING. YOU
WENT IN AND ASKED A MILLIONAIRE IN NEW YORK HOW HE FELT, IF HE
WANTED TO SELL HIS PROPERTY FOR AN AIRPORT BUT YOU DIDNfT ASK THE
LITTLE POOR GUY WHO LIVED THERE NOW, IT GOES RIGHT BACK TO WHAT
WE DID THIS MORNING. YOU ASKED HIM IF HE WANTED TO SELL AND A
BALL PARK .FIGURE OF WHAT HE WANTED TO SELL FOR. FINE, HE'S A BIG
MIT,,LIONAIRE, WHAT ABOUT ME? WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THE PEOPLE
'IIN THIS?
DAVE SPOHN. . .HE HAD A SIGN FOR SALE ON THAT. WE WERE LOOKING FOR A BALL
PARK FIGURE. WHEN WE GET TO THE PART WHERE WE PUT THIS TOGETHER,
ABSOLUTELY, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS EVERYBODY THAT'S CONCERNED. WE JUST
WERE NOT TO THAT POINT YET. IT' S LIKE GOING TO A PLAY, YOU'RE NOT
GOING TO WAIT FOR THE PLAY, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE DRESS REHEARSAL.
OR YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE FIRST CASTING. . .
ERIC BERGMAN. .THIS IS NOT A PLAY, THIS IS PEOPLE'S LIVES. . .
DAVE SPOHN. . .EXACTLY, IT' S EXACTLY THAT. SO WE HAVE TO BE ABSOLUTELY
SURE AND SPECIFIC BEFORE WE ADDRESS THOSE PROBLEMS. ItM USING THE
TERM WE, THE COMMITTEE.
ERIC BERGMAN. . .THE COMMITTEE, HOW MANY PEOPLE? THE COMMITTEE IS ALL
AVIATION PEOPLE.
RUTH OLIVA. . . ItM NOT.
ERIC BERGMAN. . .HOW CAN YOU HAVE AN UNBIASED OPINION OF WHER,' TO PUT IT
IF YOU DONtT HAT:.' A FARMER UP THERE OR A HOMEOWNER WHO'S PUT HIS
LIFE SAV I'JGS. ,.,.
. PAUL PUCKLI. . .TAAY I ANSWER THAT??IF I HAD YOU ON TIE COMMITTEE COULD YOU
HELP ME LOCATE WHERE AN AIRPORT SHOULD BE? DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING
ABOUT AIRPORTS?
ERIC BERGMAN. . .I KNOW WHERE IT SHOULDN'T BE.
PAUL PUCKLI. . .THE TOWN HIRED ME TO FIND THE MOST FEASIBLE SITE. IT' S
UP TO THE TOWN IF THEY WANT TO PUT AN AIRPORT THERE.
ERIC BERGMAN. . . I'I" TALKING ABOUT THE REST OF THE PEOPLE. YOU WERE, HIRED.
IT'S THE SAME THING. IF I 'M DOING A CONTRACT, IF SOMEBODY HIRES
ME TO BUILD A HOUSE, I'LL BUILD THE HOUSE. IT'S NOT UP TO My TO
FIND OUT IF THE PEOPLE AROUND THERE, WANT ONE. YOU DID YOUR JOB,
BUT WHEN YOU WENT AROUND DOING YOUR JOB, AND YOU ,SAID THAT THE
PEOPLE IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS HAVE A BIG SAY ABOUT IT NOBODY
WAS ASKED.
PAUL PUCKLI. . .YOU'RE BEING ASKED RIGHT NOW.
DAVE SPOHN. . .SEE, THAT' S THE WHOLE PROBLEM. CAN I ADDRESS THAT LITTLE
PROBLEM. THIS IS A TECHNICAL ADVISORY GROUP.
ERIC BERGMAN. . .WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED BEFORE.
DAVE SPOHN. . .NOTHING WAS PASSED YET. JUST A MOMENT, MRS. BERGMAN, WE
UNDERSTAND YOUR POSTURE AND I'D LIKE TO GO ON TO OTHER PEOPLE AND
GET THEIR COMMENTS QUICKLY AND WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU, O.K. ? CAN
WE DO THAT? MRS. SKABRY IN THE BACK IS WAITING FOR HER TURN TO
TO SPEAK. JUST STAND UP AND STATE YOUR NAME. DO YOU WANT TO COME
TO THE MIKE?
MRS. SKABRY: MY NAME IS 14ARGE SKABRY. SITES FIVE AND SIX
. . . . . . (APPARANTLY ASKING ABOUT CLEAR ZONES)
DAVE SPOHN. . .SITES FIVE; AND SIX?
PAUL PUCKLI. . .OIi, THE CL AR ZOivES, APTD WHAT WE'RE aIIORT TAT.ERE IS TFIAT
IT SHOULD BE SMALLER.
MRS. SKABRY. . .O.I�. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE F.A.A . IS SUPPOSED TO
FINANCE THE STUDY, RIGHT? IF WE SHOULD BE FOOLISH ENOUGH . . . . . . .
, . . . . . . . AND THE AIRPORT SHOULD GO THROUGH AND THE F.A.A. HELPS US
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TO PUT THIS AIRPORT IN OUR TOWN. WITH THE MONEY THAT THE F.A.A.
PUTS IN, WOULDN'T THEY HAVE, CERTAIN GUIDELII1TES AND CERTAIN. . .
DAVE SPOHN. . . .YES MAIM, AND THATtS PRECISELY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
MRS. SKABRY. . . . . . . . . . . .CROSSWINDS. . . . . . . . .
DAVE SPOHN. . .OH, THE CROSSWIND RUNWAY, I THINK I ADDRESSED THAT EARLIER.
MRS-4 SKABRY. . .WHAT DOES THAT CONSIST OF?
PAUL PUCKLI. . .CL3ARANCE CRITERIA SUCH AS CLEAR ZONES AND BUFFER ZONES.
ALSO IF THE F.A.A. MAKES AN INVESTMENT IN AN AIRPORT. .
MRS. SKABRY. .THEY. . . .A SAY.
PAUL PUCKLI. . .THEY DON'T HAVE A SAY, ITIS YOU'RE AIRPORT. BUT, IF FOR
SOME REASON THAT AIRPORT SHOULD NOT BE AN AIRPORT ANYMORE, THEY
WANT THEIR MONEY BACK. BECAUSE THEY'VE MADE AN INVESTMENT.
FIRS. SKABRY. . . .AND ALSO TOO, DOESNIT. . . . . .HAVE THE RIGHT AS IN ISLIP,
WHERE THE TOWN ORDINANCES WERE SET UP TO PROTECT AND . . . . . . .MEAN-
INGLESS BECAUSE THE F.A.A. AND THE AIRLINES DECIDED THEY WOULD
FLY WHAT THEY WANT, WHEN THEY WANT?
PAUL PUCKLI. . .THE F.A.A. . . . . .DECIDE THAT. THE AIRLINES ARE FREE TO DO
THAT. THEY CAN GO WHERE-'.EVER THEY WANT TO
MRS. SKABRY. . . . . . . . . . . . . .
DAVE SPOHN. . .I DON'T THINK THATtS BEEN DEUIDED YET. I 'VE BEEN FOLLOWING
IT BUT NOT REALLY CLOSELY. I DON 'T THINK IT' S BEEN DECIDED YET.
JOHN SPOHN. . .THEY'VE LIFTED SOME OF THE MORATORIUMS IN SOME OF THE AREAS
IN THE SURROUNDINT AREAS.
DAVE SPOHN. . .OH, T[TAT WAS A BUILDING MORATORIUM
JOHN SPOHN. . .THE TOWN OF ISLIP DECLARED A MORATORIUM ON BUILDING ANY
STRUCTURE IN A NUTMBER OF DIFFERENT AREAS, SURROUNDING ISLIP AIRPORT
AND I GUESS ABOUT A MONTH AGO, THEY LIFTED THE MORATORIUM ON A -:" '
NUMBER OF THESE; AREAS. I BELIEVE THEY HAD PROTECTIVE COVENANTS ON
THE PROPERTIES, THAT IF THE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO BUILD THERE, EITHER
RESIDENTIAL OR INDUSTRIAL OR WHATEVER, THAT AT SOME LATER DATE, -
DO NOT PETITION TO HAVE THE AIRPORT REMOVED BECAUSE IT WAS THERE
FIRST.
MRS. SKABRY. . . I 'M TALKING NUMBER OF PLIGHTS.
DAVE SPOHN. . .OH, YOU MEAN.
RUTH OLIVA. . .LIKE NORTHEAST. . . . . .WANT TO PUT MORE FLIGHTS IN.
MRS. SKABRY. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .HENRY'S LANE. . . . . . STANDARDS WE ALREADY
HAVE, , , ,EXTENSIONS LIKE LAGUARDIA, YOU START SMALL YOU END UP BIG.
DAVE SPOHN. .WAIT A MINUTE, THAT'S NOT TRUE.
MRS. SKABRY. .WRITE IT IN BLOOD;- WRITE IT IN BLOOD FOR ME AND GIVE ME A
COPY, I'LL HAVE IT PHOTOGRAPHED.
JOHN SPOHN. . . I'LL DO IT. I LIVE HERE.
MRS. BERGMAN. .YOU'VE GOT A LOT TO SAY, WHAT'S YOURE NAME?
MR. BERGMAN. .WHERE DO YOU LIV' ?
JOHN SPOHN. .I LIVE IN ORIENT.
BERG MAN AND SKABRY. . . .WHY DON 'T YOU Pt;T IT IN YOURBACKYARD?
JOHN SPOHN. .I LIVE IN GREENPORT AND THERE'S NO ROOM.
ERIC BERGMAN. . .WELL, THERE' S NO ROOT? FOR IT IN MY BACKYARD, THAT'S FOR
DAMN SURE.
JOHN SPOHN. . .IT' S NOT YOUR BACKYARD.
ERIC BERGMAN. . .YES IT IS MY BACKYARD.
JOHN SPOHN. . .YOU DO NOT, YOU DO NOT 010 THAT LAND, DO YOU? DO YOU OWN
THAT LAND?
ERIC BERGMAN. . .YES I DC OWN THAT LAND. I OWN ONE ACRE OF 'LT.
DAVE SPOHN. .ORDER, ORDER, ORDER. R. BERGMAN, I 'D LIKE TO HAVE ORDER SO
THAT MP. DEI,R CAN MAKE c, C011,E?IT.
FRANK R'!,P R. . . . I'D LIKE TO COMN;✓`TT 0"N SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE GONE
ON HERE TODAY. ONE THING THAT WAS I-IENTION:D BY MR. PUCKLI OR MAY-
BE IT WAS MR. POMERANZ, I 'M NOT SURE. THE STUDY WAS ACTUALLY
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CONSIDERING THE ECONOMIC AND THE ENVIRONM3NTAL IMPACTS. THEREfS
ONE VERY IMPORTANT ASPECT THAT WAS NOT MENTIONED, AND THAT IS THE
SOCIAL IMPACT. THAT IS WHAT MR. BERGIVAN AND SOME OF THE REST OF
THE PEOPLE HERE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. WH.EP1 THIS STUDY WAS
APPROVED AND THE PURPOSE OF THE STUDY AND THAT'S THE NAME OF IT,
AIRPORT SITE. SELECTION MASTER PLAN STUDY. THIS _STUDY, THE PURBOSE
OF THIS STUDY WAS TO CHOOSE A SITE AND TO MAKE A PLAN FOR USING
THAT SITE.
COMMENT FROM MRS. SKABRY. . . . . . . . .
FRANK BEAR. . . .O.K. THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE AND I THINK THE CONCERN THAT
MR. BERGMAN AND SOME OF THE REST OF YOU ARE ADDRESSING IS THE FACT
THAT THIS STUDY WAS REQUESTED, APPROVED AND STARTED WITHOUT EVER
FINDING OUT WHETHER THE PEOPLE OF THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD WANT AN
AIRPORT. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN NUMBER ONE. NOW WEERE TOLD THAT
WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL LATER BEFORE WE FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT THE
PEOPLE IN THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD WANT THIS AIRPORT. I" HAVE LISTED
SOME QUESTIONS WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANSWERS TO AND WHICH I
HOPE ARE QUESTIONS WHICH YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANSWERS TO, TOO.
SO IF YOU'LL GIVE ME JUST A FEW MINUTES, IILL GO THROUGH THEM.
THE FIRST THING THAT I DID WAS TO GO THROUGH THIS REPORT, WHICH I
HAD TO BORROW FROM THE SUPERVISOR IN ORDER TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
TO READ IT BECAUSE I DIDNTT GET A COPY OTHERWISE._ I READ THE TABLE
THE INFORMATION FOR SITES TWO, FIVE AND SIX PARTICULARLY, IN ORDER_
TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME FIND OF FIGURES. AND I MADE A TABLE,
WHICH SHOWS, ACCORDING TO MY FIGURES, AND I WANT TO KNOW IF THESE
ARE CORRECT, THAT THE TOTAL ESTIMATED COST FOR THIS AIRPORT, IN-
CLUDING THE INITIAL PHASE DEVELOPEMENT, LAND ACQUISITION, PUTTING
THE LILCO LIN>?S UNDERGROUND, AT LEAST TIE ONES THEY'RE TALKING A-
BOUT NOW AND THF ACCESS ROAD WOULD COME TO A FIGURE OF $4s325,000.
F L_
NOW HOLT MUCH OF THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FUNDING? WE'VE BEAEN TOLD
OTHER TIMES THAT 972% OF THIS COST IS GOING TO BE FUNDED. WELT
THE FACT IS THAT ABOUT 81;0' WOULD BzE FUNDED. BECAUSE SOME OF THE
THINGS THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR FUNDING.
THE TOTAL AMOUNT, ACCORDING TO MY FIGURES, ELIGIBLE FOR FUNDING,
FOR ALL THOSE THINGS THAT I 'VE MENTIONED WOULD BE, INSTEAD OF
4,325,000. , WOULD BE 3,505,000. SO IF YOU GOT THE FUNDING AT
THAT FIGURE AND 972% OF THAT, ACCORDING TO MY ARITHMETIC, AND QUITE
FRANKLY I SOMETIMES HAVE TROUBLE BALANCING MITY OUN CHECKBOOK,
3,417,375. : LEAVING REMAINING COSTS OF $907,625. NOW OF THAT
FIGURE, ACCORDING TO THE REPORT, $820,000. WOULD BE FOR THE DE-
VELOPEMENT OF THE AREA AROUND THE RUNWAY, THE BUILDINGS AND ALL
THOSE THINGS. THAT $820,000, ACCORDING TO WHAT 'WE ARE TOLD, OR
THAT KIND OF DEVELOPEMENT WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF, I'M NOT QUITE
SURE BY WHOM, THE TENANTS, THE CONTRACTOR, OR WHOEVER. WE' RE
NOT TOLD HOW THAT' S GOING TO BE DONE. SO EVEN IF THAT DIDN 'T COST
THE TOWN GOVERNMENT ANYTHING, THAT WOULD STILL LEAVE US WITH
$87,625 TO GO. NOW, ARE THOSE FIGURES APPROXIMATELY CORRECT, MR.
PUCKLI?
PAUL PUCKLI. . .THE FIGURES ARE RIGHT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU GOT
YOUR- INITIAL PHASE DEVELOPEMENT ELIGIBLE'-FOR'FUNDING";COSTS.
FRANK BEAR. ..RITHT OUT OF YOUR REPORT.
PAUL PUCKLI. . .•$1 ,93 MILLION?
FRANK' BEAR. . .YES.
PAUL PUCKLI . . . I DON'T UNDERSTAND. WHAT'S NOT ELIGIBLE FOR FUNDING?
FRANK BEAR. . .wLLL, THEREtS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN $1.93 MILLION AND
:;$2. 75 MILLION. 'jI,`. :
PAUL PUCKLI. . .WHAT ASPECTS OF THE WORK IS NOT FUNDABLE?
FRANK BEAR. . .I DON'T KNOW. I COULDN'T TELL BY YOUR REPORT. I ASSUME IT'S'
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THAT $820,000 !POR THE TERMINAL D3VELOPMENT, BUILDINGS AND THAT
SORT OF TFT.'1. �. QUITE FRANKLY, I TTAD TO READ THAT THIi1G SEVERAL
TIMES BEFOREi COULD FIGURE OUT -WHAT IT WAS TALKING ABOUT. NOW
I FIGURE, FROM YOUR REPORT, THAT LAND ACQUISITION IS ALL FUNDABLE.
PAUL PUCKLI. . .YES.
FRANK BEAR. . .AT 972%. I FIGURED OF THE X100,000 THAT YOU SAY IT'S GOING
TO COST TO GET THOSE LILCO WIRES 1P1D�,RGROUND, WE GET $97,500:
PAUL PUCKLI. . .THAT' S TRUE.
FRANK BEAR. . .AND FOR THE ACCESS ROAD, 57,00O.COST, $55,575. FUNDING.
PAUL PUCKLI. . .YES. '
FRANK BEAR. . .NOW IF THOSE FIGURES ARE CORRECT, OUT OF THE TOTAL FOR THE
INITIAL PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE FOR THE TOWN, ;868,250. , OF
WHICH THE $820,000. PRESUMABLY WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF BY SOMEBODY
ELSE, MAYBE SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. BUT NOBODY KNOWS WHEN OR HOW.
LEAVING, AS I SAY, THE $87,525.
PAUL PUCKLI. . .ASSUMING YOUR ARITHMETIC IS RIGHT, THEY YES.
FRANK BEAR. . .I 'VE CHECKED THEM SEVERAL TIMES. NOW THEN, IF THAT IS ALL
CORRECT, I 'D LIKE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT 820,000.
PAUL, PUCKLI. . .O.K.
FRANK BEAR. . .HOW MUCH OF THAT IS FOR LALCR, AND HOW MUCH IS FOR MATERIALS
AND EQUIPMENT? IS IT APPROXIMATELY 50-50 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
PAUL PUCKLI. . .WELL, TYPICALLY, THE COST IS ALL—INCLUSIVE.
FRANK BEAR. . .ALRIGHT, WILL THE TERMINAL AREA DEVELOPMENT BE DONE UNDER
CONTRACT WITH SOME LEGAL ENTITY AND IF SO, WHAT LEGAL ENTITY?
PAUL PUCKLI. . .TTTAT REMAIrdS TO FE SEEN.
FRANK BEAR. . . . .WE DONT KNOW. IF THERE ISNtT ANY SUCH CONTRACT, WHO WILL
DO TF., T�Rr_I,,AL AR_,A D3J7LOP:.-_= AND WHAT ARRANGEMENTS?
PAUL PUCKLI. . .TYPICALLY, MOST AIRPORTC) OF THE SIZE WE' RE TALKING ABOUT
IT WOULD BE THE FIXED BASE OPERATOR CONSTRUCTING HIS OWN FACILITIE:
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FRANK BEAR. . .OVER WHAT PERIOD OF T"r E AND WHAT MND OF SCHEDT LE WOU'',D
THIS DEVELOPMENT BE DONE?
PAUL PUCKLI, . .THAT' S UP TO WHOEVER DEVELOPS IT. TE FIXED BASE OPERATOR.
FRANK BEAR. . .SO WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
PAUL PUCKTI. . .NO.
FRANK BEAR. . .IF THE DEVELOPMENT IS TO . BE PAID FOR, AND OR DONE BY THE
TENANTS OR THE FIXED BASE OPERATOR WHAT KIND OF A SCHEDULE, OF A
FEE SCHEDULE, WHATfS IT GOING TO COST THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE
AIRPORT, IS IT GOING TO BE. .
PAUL PUCKLI. . .THAT'S SOMETHING BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE FIXED BASE OPER—
ATOR. IT WOULD BE ON LEASED PROPERTY SO THE TOWN WOULD ACCRUE
REVENUES FROM THAT.
FRANK BEAR. . .SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE REVENUES $160. . . .THIS $820,000
FIGURE, EVENTUALLY AND THAT SORT OF THING, RIGHT?
PAUL PUCKLI. . .I WOULD ASSUME THE F.B.O. OR FIXED BASE OPERATOR WOULD
WANT TO MAKE A PROFIT, YES.
FRANK BEAR. . .WITH THAT KIND OF A SITUATIOF, WHERE ITIS GOING TO BE A
PRETTY HEAVY EXPMTSE, MIGHT THAT DISCOURAGE SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE
WHO SAY THEY MIGHT C0112 AND USE THE AIRPORT NOW AND. . . . . . .SOME OTHET
TINE?
PAUL PUCKLI. . . I DOUBT IT.
FRANK BEAR. .. .NOW, MIGHT THE ENVIRONMENT CONDITIONS AND CHANGES IN COST
ALSO DISCOURAGE THE USE OF THE AIRPORT BY PROFESSIONALS AND BY
BUSINESSES?
PAUL PUCKLI. .I WOULD THINK NOT.
FRANK BEAR. . .IF THIS ENVIRONMENT IS NOT DONE PROPERLY AND ON SOME KIND
OF SCHEDULE MUST THE TOWN THEN DO IT AND PAY FOR IT?
PAUL PUCKLI . .THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE TOWN. IF THEY WANT TO PAY FOR IT,
SURE, BUT IF THE TOWN DOESNIT WANT TO PAY FOR IT, THEN N0. I CAN'T
�4ANSWER THAT FOR THE TOWN. a
FRANK BEAR. . .WHAT WAS THE ESTIMATED ANNUAL COST OF AIRPORT MAINTENANCE
WHICH IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR FUNDI1.TG?
PAUL PUCKLI. . . I DON'T KNOWt I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. I'M NOT AN AIRPORT
OPERATOR.
FRANK BEAR. . .HOW WOULD THESE EXPENSES BE PAID?
PAUL PUCKLI. . .THAT WOULD BE A TOWN EXPENSE.
FRANK BEA,R. . .AND BY WHOM WILL IT BE DONE AND UNDER WHAT ARRANGEMENT?
PAUL PUCKLI. . .TYPICALLY, A FIXED BASE OPERATOR WOULD DO THAT AS PART OF
HIS CONTRACT.
FRANK BEAR. . . IF THE MAINTENANCE COST IS NOT DONE UNDER TENANTS OR FIXED
BASE OPERATORS WILL IT THEN BE THE TOWN 'S RESPONSIBILITY TO SEE
THAT IT IS DONE AND PAY FOR IT?
PAUL PUCKLI. . .SURE IT WOULD.
FRANK BEAR. . .MY NEXT QUESTON IS BASICALLY IS MIGHT SOUTHOLD TOWN
REQUIRE AT LEAST SOME DFFICIAL. AIRPORT OVERSIGHT`. BY TOWN PERSONNELL
PAUL PUCKLI. . .I WOULD THINK SO.
FRANK BEAR. . .HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD YOU THINK MIGHT BE NEEDED?
PAUL PUCKLI. . .IN A LOT OF CASES I HAVE SEEN THE TOWN CALL ON THE DEPART=
MENT OF PUBLIC WORKS OR HIGHWAYS AND SOMEBODY WOULD JUST BE AN
OVER-SEER FOR THE AIRPORT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT FUNCTIONS PROPERLY.
FRANK BEAR. . .THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE, THEN.
PAUL PUCKLI. . .MAYBE A MINOR ONE THEN, YES.
FRANK BEAR. . .WILL THE TOWN BE REQUIRED TO CARRY AND PAY FOR LIABILITY
INSURANCE:
PAUL PUCKLI. . .I BELIEVE IT WOULD`.
FRANK BEAR. . .ANY IDEA ;v HAT THAT WOULD COST?
PAUL, PUCKLI. . .NO I DON'T. yy'
DAVE" SPOHN. . .THuY CURRENTLY HAVE A POLICY, I BELIEVE, ON FISHERS ISLAND.
AND WHEN THEY HAD TWO AIRPORTS, THE POLICY COVERED BOTH AIRPORTS.
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ID MATTITUCK FOR FIFTEEN YEARS -,".TIME IT COVERED
BOTH AIRPORTS.
P POIAERANZ. . . . . . . FUTURE SECTIONS OF TF?E REPORT WILL ANS'-IER A LOT OF
THIS.
PAUL PUCKLI. . .THATIS TRUE.
P: FOMERANZ, . . . .FUTURE SECTIONS OF THE REPORT WILL DEAL WITH MANY OF THE
QUESTIONS YOU' RE ASKING WITH REGARD TO COSTS TO THE TOWN OF RUNNINC
THE AIRPORT AND. . .
PAUL PUCKLI. . . .WE WILL BE PRODUCING A FINANCIAL PLAN TO HELP THE TOWN
AFFORD AN AIRPORT AND IF ITIS NOT FEASIBLE ON AN ECONOMIC BASIS
THEN THE TOWN SHOULD NOT GO AHEAD WITH IT. THATIS A PART THAT
WEIRE CHARGED WITH, TO HELP THE TOWN FINANCE THE AIRPORT.
P-;`POMERANZ. . .ALSO, 077. OF THE , IN THE FIRST PART OF THE REPORT, THAT
YOU ATTENDED THAT PRIOR MEETING, IF YOU RECALL, ONE OF CUR CONCERNS
WAS A DEFINITION BY THE TOWN OF WHAT KIND OF AIRPORT THIS WAS
GOING TO B- AND WHAT KIND OF AIRPLA',TES WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO
USE IT. I KNOW THIS IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WAS VOICED A
A FEW MINUTES AGO. PARTICULARLY TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT VERY LARGE,
AIRCRAFT COULD NOT USE THIS AIRPORT AND THAT IT BE RESTRICTED TO
SMALL AIRCRAFT, BY DEFINITION. AND THATIS DONE BY EXACTLY THE
KIND OF AIRPORT YOU y 0l-TLD BUILD. 1101•I THICK THE PAVE:fLENT IS AND THE
RADII, THE, DIMENSIONS OF THE RUNWAYS AND TAXIWAYS. SO THAT IT IS
IMPOSSIBLE FOR LARGE AIRCRAFT TO USE IT. FROM THE START, THE TOWN
HAS THE ABILITY TO DEFINE EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF AIRPORT IT WOULD
BE, IF IN FACT, THATIS WHAT IS 7,ANTED. AND THE CONSULTANT IS CHARGL
WITH THE FEASIRILITY OF WFETHER CC?? 770,T : ONE, IS AN AIRPORT POSSIBLE"
DOES IT TAKE E'CONCIMIC SENSE FOR THE TO,-IN AND THEN THE TOWN HAS THE
WHERE—WITH—ALL TO HAKE THE D:ECISIOI�j,, THE FIiTAL D1 CISION, WHETHER
OR NOT AN AIRPORT IS GOING TO rO I:d AND W ER3 IT'S GOING TO G0.
MAN ' OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING, MR. BEAR, ARE SOMEWHAT
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PREMATURE IN TERMS OF THE PROCE'SS WE'RC GOING THROUrH RIGHT NOW.
REMEMBER, THIS TS ONLY THE SECOND PART OF OF A SECOND REALLY
1ANINGFUL r EETIIIG' THAT WE 'VE HAD IN A SERIES OF MEETINGS. AND
WEIRE WORDING TOTAL VIEW OF THE PUBLIC OBVIOUSLY AND ACCEPTING
COMMENTS. BUT THE FIRST STA''33 AS PAUL EXPLAINED EARLIER, WOULD
DETERMINE WHAT SIZE FACILITY THIS WAS GOING TO BE, DEPENDING ON
THE DEMAND. THE SECOND PHASE IS TO BEGIN TO NARROW THE SEARCH
FROM ALL THE OPEN AREAS IN TOWN TO A SPECIFIC FEW DIFFERENT AREAS.
THE STATE, FOR ONE, HAS NOT MADE ALL OUR COMMENTS, WE'RE JUST
GATHERING THEM. AND SO WE TAKE THIS DOCUMENT, AS A DRAFT DOCU-
MENT THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS MORE SPECIFICALLY. LATER PARTS OF
THE PROCESS WILL ADDRESS MANY OF THE CONCERNS, PARTICULARLY THE
ECONOMIC CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE RAISED, AND THEYrRE PERFECTLY
VALID POINTS. YOU MENTIONED THE SOCIAL ASPECTS OF IT. THAT'S
INCLUDED IN THE :ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENTS OF AN AREA. IT'S NOT
INCLUDED It THIS REPORT BECAUSE THATIS PREMATURE TO WHERE WE ARE
TODAY. BUT IT WILL BE ADDRESSED. NOW, WE'RE ALMOST TO THE POINT
WHERE IN FACT THERE SHOULD BE A HIATUS IN THIS PROCESS. WHERE
WE HAVE A LIST OF DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND THERE'S A HIATUS, A BREAK.
POINT, WHERE THE TOWN HAS TO DECIDE DO THEY WANT AN AIRPORT. DO
THE PEOPLE IN THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD WANT AN AIRPORT AND WHERE IS
THAT AIRPORT GOING TO BE. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T STUDY TIE WORLD. IT'S
TOO EXPENSIVE, THE CONSULTANT DOESN'T HAVE THE TIME, THE STATE, THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE TOWN DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR
THAT. WEIRS ALMOST TO THE POINT WHERE THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION
PEOPLE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. DO
YOU WANT AN AIRPORT? ARE THE BENEFITS THERE OR IS IT TOO MUCH OF
A PROBLEM? SOMEBODY HAS TO DECIDE. AND THAT DECISION RESTS WITH
THE TOWN. AND THE INPUT TO MAKE THAT DECISION HAS TO COME FROM THE
COiZ�UNITY. A u'D IT CO,-NES FROIM BOTH SIDES OF THE COYll-,tJ?TITY. OB—
VIOUSLY THE RESIDENTS IMEDIATELY AROUND A PROPOSED AIRPORT CITE
HAVE A VESTED IN'TE'REST AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE HURT, THEY'RE VERY
VOCAL. THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. BUT ALSO THERE ARE OTHER
PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT TEND TO BE LESS VOCAL, PARTICULARLY
ECONOMIC INTERESTS IN THE COMMUNITY, THE BUSINESS INTERESTS. BUT
THEY ARE ALSO VITALLY IMPORTANT TO THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF THE
COMMUNITY OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. AND THOSE ALSO HAVE TO BE HEARD
AND THEY DESERVE A VOICE. BUT THE DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT
THERE WILL BE AN AIRPORT IN THE TOWEL OF SOUTHOLD WILL REST WITH
THE TOWN AND THE TOWN BOARD, AND THATIS WHERE THE DECISION WILL
BE. AND AS A MATTER'OF FACT, THIS STUDY WILL NOT GO FORWARD BE—
, YOND A CERTAIN POINT IF THE TOWN DOES NOT TAKE ACTION TO GIVE THEIR
GO—AHEAD ON IT. THATtS A REQUIREif.ENT. BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOV—
ERNMENT AND THE STATE GOVERNMENT IS NOT GOING TO PUT A LOT OF
MONEY INTO SOMETHING THE TOWN DOES `?OT WANT. ITIS NOT GOING TO
HAPPEN THAT WAY.
FRANK BEAR. . . . IN ONE THING YOU JUST SAID, THAT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY
SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY:TO SPEAK TOO AND I AGREE WITH THAT.
THEY'VE ALREADY HAD THAT OPPORTLRdITY. THE PEOPLE OF THE TOWN
HAVE NOT.
P. POMERANZ.'.NO, THAT ISN'T SO.
FRANK BEAR. . .IT IS SO, AND THIS IS THE FIRST TI"nL THAT IIVE BEEN, . . I'VE
BEEN TO YOUR LAST MIRETIN G AND I WAS THE ONLY GUY THERE THAT WASN'T
A MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE. NOW, FINALLY, 'WHENSOME INFORMATION
HAS GOT OUT ABOUT IT, PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO GET INTERESTED AND
CONCERNED. I STILL GO BACK TO .`ff OR`TNAL POINT, THAT THE FIRST
THING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE, BEFORE THIS THING EVER STARTED,
IF IT SHOULD HAVE STARTED AT ALL, WAS TO FIND OUT WHETHFR THE PEOPLE
OF THE TO's�f17 OF SOUTTHOLD WANT AN AIRPORT.
DANTE SPOHN. . .HERE I S YOUR ANSWER RIGHT HERE, FRANK.
FRANK BEAR. . . I. .
DAVE SPOHN. . .I SUGGEST YOU READ IT BEFORE YOU GO FURTHER WITH THAT
QUESTION.
FRANK BEAR. . .WELL, I DO KNOW THIS, I DO KNOW THIS. .
DAVE SPOHN. . .READ THE COVER, WHAT DOLS IT SAY?
FRANK BEAR. . .IT SAYS SOUTHOLD TOWN, 1961 , WE ARE NOW IN 1984, IS THAT RT I
DAVE SPOHN. . .THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN POSITION,AND PLACE, VOTED ON
FRANK BEAR. . .YES, I KNOW.
DAVE SPOHN. . .AND IT HAS NOT BEEN RESCINDED, ITIS STILL EFFECTIVE LIKE
ANY OTHER DECISION BY A TOWN BOARD.
FRANK BEAR. . .THIS WAS DO.`;E BY TIE TOWN BOARD, THIS WAS NOT DONE BY THE
PEOPLE OF THE7TOWN OF SOUTHOLD.
JOHN DUELL. . . I'M A PEOPLE, I WANT THE AIRPORT.
FRANK BEAR. . .ALRIGHT, YOU'`'RE ONE OF .THE PEOPLE AND YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO
SPEAK, BUT SO DO I.
JOHN DUELL . .O.K.
FRANK BEAR. . .BUT THE PEOPLE ARE NOT CONSULTEED. . .
JOHN DUELL. . . IIM A PEOPLE, IlM A PEOPLE
FRANK BEAR. . .THE PEOPLE ARE NOT CONSULTED IN THIS REPORT.
MRS. BERGMAN. . .1^IERE YOU HERE IN a4? -
JOHN DtTELL. . .YES WE dERE: TATERL',YOU HERE I.v. f 6V
MRS. BERGMAN• • •E CAME H2RE IN 179 AND THERE WAS NO AIRPORT.
FRANK BEAR. . THE PsOPLE WERE NOT CONSULTED Irl THIS REPORT. THIS WAS DONE
BY THE TOW7 BOARD, BY THE TO rN BOARD, IS NO. . . .
DAVE SPOHPT. . .THAT IS THE GOVERNING. . . . .
FRANK BEAR. . .THERE WAS NO EFFORT MADE THEN OR NOW TO FIND OUT WHAT THE
PEOPLE OF THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD WANT.
;ERIC BERGMAN. . . IL-LOW TiANY PEOPLE ON THAT TC'�iN BO�IRD ARE STILL I^N EFFECT
HERE NOW?
DAVE SPOHN. . . IT WAS PUT IN: POSITION LIKE ANY OTHER LAW, ANY RULE, REGU-
LATION, ZONING AT THE TIME AND IT' S STILL EFFECTIVE.
JOHN SPOHN. . .YOU MEAN THAT IF THE TCWN BOARD MADE A LAW TWENTY YEARS
AGO, THAT IT'S NO LONGER IN EFFZCT BECAUSE THE TOWN BOARD. . . . . . . . . . .
MR. BERGMAN. . .IF THE PEOPLE DECIDE TIi .Y DON'T WANT THAT LAW AND THEY
VOTE NO, THEY DON'T WANT IT, IT ISN'T EFFECTIVE.
JOHN SPOHN. . .THEN YOU'VE GOT TO GO TO THE T014N BOARD AND TELL THEM
AND TELL THEY: YOUR OPINION. . . . . . . . . .
FRANK BEAR. . .WE 'RE ASKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT OPPORTUNITY UP
TO NOW.
JOHN SPOHN. . .YET. BUT IT'S PART OF THE PROCESS AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE
YET, THAT' S ALL.
FRANK BEAR. . .ALRD3HT, MR. SPOHN, I KNOW, YOU' RE JOHN SPOHN AND I KNOW
WHAT YOU'RE AFTER. IF IT. . .
JOHN SPOHN. . :AND YOU'RE FRANK---'BEAR AND I KNOW WHAT `YOU'RE AFTER.
JOHN DUELL. . .YOU'VE HAD PLENTY TO SAY, PLENTY TO SAY.
FRANK BEAR. . .WELL, NOW WHAT I'D LIKE. . . .
DAVE SPOHN. . .JUST WHAT IS YOUR PURPOSE?
FRANK BEAR. . .YOU' VE BEEN IN ON EVERY LAST MEETING, MR. BEAR, SO DON' T
TRY 'TO SAY THAT NOBODY EVER' ASKED YOU.
MRS. SKABRY. . .WE NEVER GOT ANY COMMITTEES UP `ET.
JOHN SPOHN. . .THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN PUBLIC FOR SIX YEARS AND .EVERYBODY
CLAIMS THAT NOBODY ASKED ME.
MRS. SKABRY. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .WE'VE .HAVING TO DO IT ONE PERSON AT A TIME,
BECAUSE YOU'Vz; GOT THE F.A.A. , YOU GOT TRANSIT,YOU GOT UP YOUR
YAZ0O, EVERYTHINr.
JOHN SPOHN. . .DON'T TELL ME ABOUT MY KAZOO, LADY.
MRS. SKABRY. . . .NO, I GUESS. . . . . .
ERIC PERGMAN. . .WHEN IT'S RIGHT IN YOUR BACKYARD, THEN YOU HAVE SOX-ET ?ING
TO SAY ABOUT IT. IT IS OUR BACKYARDS, OUR LIVES, OUR SAVINGS.
DAVE SPOHN. . .ORDER, ORDER.
JOHN SPOHN. . . ITIS MY TOWN, YOUR TOWN. EVERYBODYES TOWN.
DAVE SPOHN. . .ORDER, WE UNDERSTAND FULLY, YOUR COMMENTS, SO. . .
FRANK BEAR. . .I JUST HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION.
DAVE SPOHg. . .FRANK HAS ONE QUESTION, BUT I`LL HAVE TO LIMIT YOU. WEAVE
GOT OTHER PEOPLE.
FRANK BEAR. . .I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT iTVE GOT ONE OTHER QUESTION. WHAT
IS THE PROSPECT FOR FUNDING FOR ,THE PROPOSED AIRPORT AT THIS TIME
OR IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE?
PAUL, PUCKLI. . . IID SAY THE PROSPECTS ARE PRETTY GOOD.
FROM THE AUDIENCE. . .WITH THE CUTBACKS IN THE DIFFERENT GOVERNMENT AGENCIES
LORRIN BIRD. . .THE FEDERAL PROGRAM FOR AIRPORTS,HAS BEEN, INCREASING. I
THINK :THE NUMBER THEY SHOW IS $450,000, 000 NATIONALLY, FIVE YEARS
AGO, NOW ITfS UP TO ALMOST A BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
FROM THE AUDIENCE. . . IlM SURE THAT'S ONE THING THAT THEY'LL CUT BACK ON
SIZEABLY.
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LORRIN BIRD. . .WELL, THE THING IS, I THINK IT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER.
THE MONEY IN A TRUST FUND. WHEN A PERSON BUYS AN AIRLINE TICKET
I THINK 8% OR SOMETHING OF_TTIAT TICKET GOES. . ITIS -LI•KE BUYING
GAS ON THE HIGHWAY. THATIS NOT FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS. IF THEY CUT
BACK. . . . . . . . . . ON TME TRUST FUND, THAT HAS NO REAL IMPACT ON TAXES
IN GENERAL. IT JUST EFFECTS THE PEOPLE THAT FLY.
DAVE SPOHN. . .DON'T GO WITHOUT THIS ?'RANK. IT' S YOUR COPY. READ IT, IT
WAS A PUBLIC ;HEARING.
FRANK BEAR. . . I'VE READ IT.
DAVE SPOHN. . . ITfS FACT, ITIS LAW.
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FRANK BEAR. . .ITIS LAW, BUT ITfS NOT AN EXPRESSION OF THE ATTITUDE IN THE
TOWPT OF SOUTHOLD AT THIS TIME.
DAVE SPOHN. . .WELL, THEN YOU HAVE TO WORK TO CHANGE THE LAW. NOW, it!)
LIKE TO MAKE ONE SMALL COMMENT AND THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK HAS
BEEN VERY PATIENT, SO MAY I HAVE ORDER JUST A MOMENT?
GENTLEMAN FROM THE AUDIENCE. . . ItD fIKE TO KNOW THE COST OF THIS ENGI—
NEE'RING FEASIBILITY STUDY. . . . .THE TAXPAYERS MONEY.
DAVE SPOHN. .O.K. I CAN GIVE YOU AN ANSWER TO THAT. '-TO NOW, 19782
THIS WHOLE PROCESS ON DOING THIS, THE TAXPAYERS OF SOUTHOLD HAVE
PAID ZERO.
GENTLEMAN FROM THE AUDIENCE: WHOPS FOOTING THE BILL FOR THE ENGINEERIPTT
SERVICES?
DAVE SPOHN. . ,THE F.A.A. , THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT "TRANSPORTATION
AND IN THE FUTURE, THERE MAY BE SO�T COSTS TO THE TOWN OF 21% OF
THE WHOLE STUDY.
GENTLEMAN; FROM THE AUDIE'NC E. . .THAT I S OUR TAX MONEY.
DAVE SPOHN. . .PARDON?
GENTVMAN FROM THE AUDIENCE. . .THATIS OUR TAX MONEY FOR THE STUDY.
,PRDM''THE''AUDIENCE. . .DO YOU HAVE A FIGURE ON TFiE' STUDY? REGARDLESS OF
WHOSE MONEY IS BEINGISPENTt ItD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE STUDY
COSTS.
DAVE SPOFIN. . 362,000. AND THE MONEY FROM THE STATE IS THE AVIATION DEPT.
OF THE STATE, AND ALSO FROM THE FED':lRAL. .
FROM THE A'.TDIENCE. . .WHERE DID THEY CET TH'S MOITE-v FROM?
P. POMERANZ. . .T AT I S PART OF THE STATE BCTTD ISSUE.
FROM THE AUDIENCE. . .WHERE YOU GOI"T x TO r.ET THE MONEY FROM?
P. POMERANZ. . . PART OF THE STATE B011D I.`.'dSITE.
FROM THE AUDIENCE. . .WHERE DID THEY GET THE MONEY FROM?
FROM THE AUDIENCE. . .THEY BUY BONDS.
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FROM THE AUDIS iCE. . .Y EAH, I�RO:'T THE TAXPAvER" WHY DON►T YO:t ANS.Is'R
QUESTION.
P. POMERANZ. . .I 'Y TRYI'Ii TC. .
JOHN SPOHN. . .BUYING BONDS IS Gid ELECTIVE PROCESS, NOBODY FORC3S YOU.
DAVE SPOHN. . .O.K. NOW IlD LIKE TO MAKE ^IIE LITTLE STATEMENT. YES, SIR.
FROM THE AUDIENCE. . THIS IS ADVISC'RY C014 ,IITTEE. . .
DAVE SPOHN. . .RIGHT.
FROM THE' AUDIENCE. . .BUT WHAT BOARD? THE TOWN PLANNING BOARD?
DAVE SPOHN. . .OF THIS STUDY. 07 THIS STUDY. ,
FROM THE AUDIENCE. . .AUTIIORIZED EST W11AT BCARD?
DAVE SPOHN,. .TI?IS WAS APPOINTED BY THE TOWN BOARD.
FROM THE AUDIENCE. . .IT WAS THE TOWI, PLANNING BOARD.
DAVE SPOHN. . .NO,. NO, T :E TCWiN rOARD ITSELF APPOINTED THE. MEMBERS C"? THIS
COMMITTEE.
FROM THE AUDIENCE. . . . .A3 � T" ,RE ANY OTHER CO]KIMITTEES FOR THIS?
DAVE SPOHN. . .NOT AT THE PRTSENT, NO.
FROM THE AUDIENCE. . .IN WfiAT MANNER CAN WE DETERMINE WHEN FUTURE MEETINGS
OF THIS COMMITTEE WILL BE HELD? WHERE IS A PUBLIC NOTICE GOING TO
BE?
DAVE SYOHN. . .IT'S AI_T-IAYU YUT ON THE CALENDAR WELL IN ADVANCE.
FROM THE AUDIENCE. . . IT WILL BE Ort THE CALENDAR THEN. THANK YOU.
DAVE SPOHN. . :xES, IT►S ALWAYS PUBLISHED WHEN THIS COMMITTEE MEETS. AS
YOU HAVE SEEN, THIS :CHMITTE-E WAS OPERATING IN FULL VIEW OF EVERY—
BODY.
FROM THE NUMMBER.
DAVE SPOHN. . . I 'LL GIVE YOU A CARD AI'D YOU CAN CALL FOR ANY INFORMATION
YOU WISH, AT ANY TIME. HAVE SLIDES WILL TRAVEL. AND BOOKS.
FROM THE AUDIENCE. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .HOW FAR HAVE, YOU GONE NOW? HAVE YOU DE—
CIDEDON. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?
DAVE SPOHN. . ."b0.
ERIC BERGI.7AN. . .WELL, YOU JUST SAID. . . . . . . . . . . . . .
PAUL PUCKLI. . .WE R.ECOMPIENDED THE SITES. VSE TAKE BACK ALL THE CO,IM;.=S
WE HAVE AND RE—EVALUATE IT AND WE'LL R ECOIPINIEND A SITE TO PLAN.
ERIC BERGMAN. . .ISN'T THAT THE BEGINNING WHEN WE CAME UP HERE AND YOU WAS
FIVE:
PAUL PUCKLI. . .WE RECOMMENDED SITE FIVE. BUT HERE WE ARE, LISTENING TO
COMMENTS BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT SITE.
FROM THE AUDIENCE. . .AND THEN WHAT IS THE i;EXT STEP. YOU WILL PRESENT
- A,V , THAT SITE TO. . . ?
PAUL PUCKLI. . .WHAT -WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THEE TOTtlN BOARD TO MAKE A
COMYlI=1 T .THE TOWN BOARD TO REV IE"d A,HAT WE HAVE DONE AND DECIDE
WHETHER THEY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND DEVELOP AN AIRPORT OR 'NOT.
FROM THE AUDIENCE. ...,ARE THEY ALLOWED TO :Av;E THE COEMITTMENT WITHOUT
THE PEOPLE. . . . .. . . . . ?
DAVE SPOHN. . .NO.
PAUL PUCKLI. . .NO.
FROM THE AUDI ENCE. , .THEY CANNOT MAKE ANY COI'l,IITTMENT. . . . . . . . . . . . ?
`SEVERAL QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE, AUDIENCE SIMULTANEOUSLY.
DAVE SPOHN. . .ITIS A PUBLIC HEARING.
FROM THE A:JDIET CE. . .A HEARING DOESN'T DEAN YOUt RE SAMPLING THE ENTIRE
POPULATION OF THE TOWN.
r
DAVE SPOHN. . .WELL, ITIS LIKE ZONING. I THINK YOU CAN CHECK WITH THE
TOWN LAWYER TO ASK THAT QUESTION. :3ECA USE I THINK HE I S THE BEST
ONE TO ADDRESS THAT. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT FALLS THE SAME
AS NASTER :L!,24 UFDATES AND SO FORTIi, ITIS IN JURISDICTION OF THE
TOWN BOARD.
FROM THE AUDIENCE. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .V:RY UNUSUAL WIND CONDITIONS
RIGHT OFF THE BLUFF. IT COULD IMPACT LANDINGS TO THE SOUTH AS FAR
:9 i
AS AIRSPEED IS CONCF.RNED AND THE FO 'SIBILIT`' OF OVER-RUNNING THE
RUNWAY. . . . . . . . . IF YOU TOOK INTO C07SIDERATIC'N THE fiEIGHT OF THE
RUNWAY. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PARTICULAR SITU-
ATION WAS CONSIDERED. IT'S A VERY LOCAL CONSIDERATION.
DAVE SPOHN. . .IT WAS. O.K. , WE HAVE A COUPLE OF LOCAL EXPERTS HERE TO
ADDRESS THAT. BECAUSE WE CURRENTLY FLY ACROSS THE TOWN BANK,
LANDIIIG SOUTH.
FROM THE AUDIENCE. . .FROM WHERE?
DAVE SPOHN. . .ORIENT.
J
FROM THE AUDIENCE. . .THERE' S NO BLUFF THERE.
DAVE SPOHN. . .YES, THERE IS.
JOHN DUELL. . .THERE SURE IS. I HAVE TO PUT THAT AIRFLANE RIGHT ON THE
. ,END. IT' S ABOUT 60 FEET.
ERIC BERGMAN. . .OH, YOU'RE TALKING A GOOD HUNDRED FIFTY. FEET. . .
JOHN DUELL. . .ALRIGHT, I 'LL GO IIP TO YOUR PLACE ON THAT HUNDRED FIFTY
FOOT BLUFF IN A FIFTY KNOT WIND AND I'LL SHOOT LAZDINGS ALL DAY
SIF YOU WANT, MR ' BERGMAN.
ERIC BERGMAN. . .NO THANK YOU.
MRS. BERGMAN. . .NO THANK YOU
JOHN DUELL. . .ARE YOU QUESTIONING MY ABILITY?
ERIC BERGMAN. . .I DID.? 'TIL::ESTION YOUR ABILITY.
JOHN DUELL. .'.YOU'RE CHALLENGING MY EXPERTISE.
SEVERAL COMMENTS FROM TlHE AUDIENCE; SIMULTANEOUSLY.
DAVE SPOH.^?. . .I THINK IT SHOULD FE RECOGNIZED THAT
SEVERAL COPINENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE
DAVE SPOHN . . .ORDER.
JOHN DUELL. . .WAIT A MINUTE. I 'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS. I HAVE A SIXTEEN
BAR OLD KID RIGHT HERE THAT FLYS OVER THAT FIFTY FOOT CLIFF IN
T,7ENTY-FIVE KNOT WINDS AND HAS FORTY HOURS FLYING TIME BY HIMSELF.
�,N
DAVE SPOHN. . .I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AND ADD TO THAT. . ,THANK YOU, JOIN,
THAT MOST AIRPORTS AND RUNWAYS HAVE MARKERS ON THIEF: T' ATtS CALLED
THE TOUCH-DOWF POINT. PARTICULARLY IN THE AIR CARRIER AIRPORTS.
AND THE TOUCHDOWN POINT IS A THOUSAND FEET DOWN THE RUNWAY. AND
I THINK YOU'LL FIND THERE WILL FE MARKERS ON THE RUNWAY, WHICH. . . . . .
FROM THE AUDIENCE. . . .IF YOU HAVE A 3600 FOOT RUNWAY YOU' RE LIMITING YOUR
LANDING CAPABILITIES, I UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT ITIS A SMALLER RUNWAY.
DAVE SPOHN. . .LYDIA HAD A QUESTION. I 'LL GET BACK TO LYDIA, YOU HAD YOUR
HAND UP.
LYDIA TORTORA. . .YS. I WANTED TO KNOW IF ITIS A LEGAL PRE-REQUISITE OF J
THE TO` N TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FEFORE YOU PROCEED. . AND I ASSUME
YOUTRE L0OKIT1.0R A HOME RULE MESSAGE FROM THE TOWN?
DAVE SPOHN. . .THAT' S PETER' S DEPARTMENT .
P. POMERANZ. . .AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE' S NO REQUIREM-iNT FOR A LEGAL PUBLIC
HEARING. I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING TO GET
AN EXPRESSION OF PUBLIC OPINION FOR AND AGAINST IT.
LYDIA TORTORA, , .BUT SPECIFICALLY, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO ASK THE TOWN BOARD'
P. POMERANZ. . .WEIRE GOING TO ASK THE TOWN BOARD FOR, WELL MAKE COMMENTS
ON THIS REPORT AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS TO THE TOWN, THE TOWNIS REP-
RESENTATIVES AND HOW WE THINK THE STUDY SHOULD PROCEED AND WHAT
THEY SHOULD. 30. I'M SAYING THAT I TIINK THAT THS NEXT STEP SHOULD
BE SOME, KIND OF RULING WHERE ALL THE VARIOUS COTlMENTS, THE TECHNICAL
COPMZNTTS ARE TA;';EN INTO ACCOUNT UP TO THIS POINT SO THAT A DECISION
CAN BE MADE BY THE TOWN BOARD WHETHER OR NOT TO- GO FORWARD WITH
AN AIRPORT.
LYDIA TORTORA. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
P. FOMERANZ. . . .THAT ' S WHAT WE WOULD SUGGEST PUT ITIS UP TO THE TOWN BOARD
WHETHER OR NOT TO TAKE OUR SUGGESTION.
LYDIATORTORA. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
POMERANZ. . .770, 7LIC
Y
T T CT :NPROCEES'� C 7, 7"
LYDIA TCRTORA. . . IS 77.-ERE ANY PUBLIC 'HEARIT
WHOLE PROCESS THAT S TTIRED REqAND AT WTIAT STAGE?
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DAVE SPOHN. . .PAUL Cil? ANS THAT. OR, HENRY, A:'-'SWER THAT.
HENRY YOUNG TYPICALLY, A PUBLIC F.2I N'3T WOULD 13E HELD AFTER ALL
-ART
DOCUMENTATION IS CC-NPLETED SO THAT THE 13ENERAL PUBLIC HJ% Ll
BENEFIT OF THE Fl.,TL WEALTIT OF ISS FORMATION THAT IS BEEN PRODU C D
IN THE COURSE OF THE STUDY. TYPICALLY, THEN YES, YOU WO7LD EXPECT
TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING WITH FULL ANNOUNCEMENTS, ADVE--RTTS�:lM--,,'vjlTS,
BOTH RADIO AND NEWSPAPERS, A COURT STENOGRAPHER IN ATTENDANCE AT
THE END OF THE PROCESS.
LYDIATORTORA. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
HENRY YOUNG. . .THAI' WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE SPONSORING A1,12-; ll"Y'
IN TMS CASE THE TOWN.
FRANK BEAR. . . . ...-'-T-fAL. . . . . . . . . .
HENRY YOUNG. . .YESS THATTS A REQUIREMENT AND IT'S PART OF THE PRO/';IRAM OF
STUDY FOR THIS PARTICULAR JOB.
P. POMERANZ. . .THAT WOULD BE COMING OUT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT
REQUIREMENT.
N
T.
DAVE SPOHN. . . PAUL?
PAUL STOUTENBURGIE". . .1SOME ONE OVER HERE SPOKE ABOUT THEREtS A POIN'-n
IN
WHEN 11E 'PTILL NOT GO ANY FURTHER ON THIS STUDY BECAUSE WE FEEL IT
WOULD BE A WASTE OF ACCUMULATING A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE THAT WCULD NOT
BE USED. AT '111HAT POINT ARE YOU ASKINGTlEl TOWNBOARD TO -1 7 GU
THAT DE'C'rlSlu`.-,?
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PAUL PUCKLI. . . IT WILL 2: 'j'T "HIN THE NEXT F-1 Wlv"uKS AFTER WE REFINE, THIS
�-TTT�Tj
REPORT AND 7,T31.1 '."-M IT IT TO THE TOWN 0ARD.
P A UIL, STOUT ELTBURrz'H. . . AN7) THAT DECISION WILL F3' WIT-E'TTr.,,R :OR NOT THEY WOULD
ACCEPT THAT SITE, IS THAT WHAT YOU' RE SAYINII-T?
PAUL PUCKLI. . .THAT f S 79HAT IED LIKE TI i7 TO DO, i 0 ^ IVB US A C01MMITTMENT
IF WE SHOULD. .
PAUL STOUTENBURGH. . .ItIM ASKING THE :?uRSOii WHO. . , . . . . . .
DAVE SPOHN. . .THAT'S PETER POMERANZ.
PAUL STOUTENBURCH. . .O.K. PETER, I BELIEVE IT WAS YOU WHO SAID THERE 7.10ilD
BE , WOULD HAVE TO BE A COMMITTI11TE T BY THE TOWN BOARD BEFORE YOU
WENT ANY FURTHER. I WANT TO KNOW 7'H.EN THAT TIMIE WOULD BE.
P. POMERANZ. . . I WOLTULD HAPBEN TO, I WOULD AGREE WITH PAUL, HERE. I THINK
ITIS IN THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS MAYBE NEXT FEW MONTHS. LETRS LEAVE
IT THAT WAY BECAUSE THEREILL BE SOME DELAYS IN TERMS OF GETTING MY
COMMENTS TO PAUL AND HIS TIME FRAME IN TERMS OF INCLUDING THAT
MATERIAL IN REVISING THE REPORTS,
QUESTION FROM TT?-- AUDIENCE. . .
PAUL PUCKLI. . .YES, MAIM.
PAULTSTOUTENBURGH. . .SO IT WOULD THEN PE A 011E PUBLIC HEARING. .. .
P. POMERANZ. . .TFERE WILL BE A PUBLIC °-,:EETI:Qs, RIGHT.
PAUL STOUTENBURGH. . .THAT THE TOWN BOARD WOULD GET THE INPUT AND FROM
THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A DCI"ION.
7
P. POMERANZ. . .THEY MAKE A DECISION WHETH~ R OR NOT TO GO FORWARD BECAUSE
IF THERE IS TO BE AN AIRPORT, WELL , IT MAKES SENSE TO GO FORWARD
WITH THE ST TD'T. BUT IF THERE IS NOT, YOU MIGHT AS WELL PACK UP
AND GO HOME.
PAUL STOUTENBURGII. . .I JUST WANTED TO FIND WHEN THAT TIME WAS, AND
I HAVEN'T HEARD IT BEING A DEFINITTLV TIS721.
P. rOMERANZ. . .NO, TrLiERE I S NO LEGAL REQUIRE:"ENT FOR THAT. IT SEEMS 'I^ US
THOUGH, TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
ERIC BERGMkN. . .DC YOU HAVE TO BE LOCI-ED I;YTC A aITF, BEFORE YOU PROCEED
FURTH R?
P. POM":;RANZ. . .TIO, AS A MATTER OF FACT WE '',OULD SUGGEST THAT OF THE FOUR
SITES, TIII'?T iIO DECISION BE MADE AT THIS POINT IN TIME UNTIL TIrYT
PUBLIC MEETING. SO, ALL RAMIFICATIONS CAN BE PRESENTED TO THE
BOARD AND THE BOARD HAS THS FL"_EXIBILITY TO DECIDE WHICH ONE OF
THOSE SITS TO CHOOSE AND WHICH ONE WILL BE BEST, IN THE BEST
INTERESTS OF THE TOWN AND WHY. AND THEN WE GO FORWARD.
ERIC BERGIMAN? . . . . . . . .A LOT OF INPUT INT- THAT . . . . . . . . .AND YOU SAY
HE'', YOU CAN'T DO THIS BECAUSE TFC iOPIEOWNER'S TOO -CLOSE,. OR .11�,Y,
MAYBE NOT ON THAT SITE BUT LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO IT ON THIS SITE
BECAUSE. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . SAY C.K.
P. POMERANZ. . .THAT' S RIGHT. THAT' S WHY WE DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE
GREAT STUDY BEYOND THIS POINT SO THAT YOU CAN HAKE THAT KIND OF
DECISION.
COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE.
-4 P. POMERANZ. . .THAT' S RIGHT.
DAVE SPOHN. . .O.K. NOW PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VERY PATIENT. JOIIN?
JOHN SPOHN. . . I'D LIKE TO MAKE SEVERAL COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN SAID
UP UNTIL THIS POINT. FIRST OF ALL, I'-D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT
MANY PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY CHOSEN TO LEAVE TODAY. NOW, THIS IS AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR THEINTO RECEIVE INFORMATION PERTAINING TO THIS
ISSUE BUT THEY CLOSE TO LEAVE. THIS HAS HAI'PENED BEFORE AND SO
I DON'T RECOINIZE CLAIYS OF LACK OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. BUT
YOU KNOW, EVE,"RYBODY HAS COMMITTM&'NTS. THAT' S TRUE, THAT'S TRUE.
I'D ALSO LIr�1_�' TO POINT OUT THAT I, WHILE I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT
THE SUBJECT DO NOT FEEL ANY PERSONAL ANIMOSITY TOWARDS
THE
PECPLE WHO ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE. THIS IS SOMETHING
WE' RE I'ALIIN". ABOUT, AN ISSU3t NOT ME AND YOU. 14E CAN WORK OUT
OUR DIF FER"SNC SS AND AS THEY POINTED OUT, THERE'S NO INTENTION TO
CCNDEMN LAND OR A�?YTHING TO THAT 'EFFECT. THERE IS NOTHING GOING
TO BE SHOVED DOWN ANYBODY'S THROAT. WE ARE INVESTIGATING ALTERN-
ATIVES AT THIS POINT. AN AIRPORT IS, . IN 3019E SENSE-3, A NECESSITY.
TRANSPORTATiCIN IS A NECESSITY. AIRPORTS ARE PART OF TRANSPORTATION.
SOMETIMES, 'PARTS OF THE THINGS THAT TOWNS HAVE TO HAVE AS NECESS-
ITIES, ARE NOT NECESSARILY WANTED BY ,EVERYBODY. IF WE DID NOT:
HAVE A LANDFILL RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD GET A MAJORITY
OF THE PEOPLE IN TOWN TO VOTE FOR ONE. BUT, WE NEED ONE, WE'VE GOT
ONE. THERE'S A FALLACY THAT FLYING IS FOR RICH PEOPLE. I DISPUTE
THAT, O.K.? YOU CAN BUY A USED AIRPLANE, A CESSNA 150, READY TO
GO FOR FIVE, SIS{ THOUSAND DOLLARS. HOW MANY NEW CARS CAN YOU BUY
FOR THAT? WHAT'S THE COST OF A BOAT? HOW MANY BOATS CAN YOU GET
FOR UNDER TEN THOUSAND_DOLLARS? RIGHT? O.K. THE FACT THAT IT IS
PURPORTED BY PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE THIS THAT MANY, THAT VERY FEW, A FEW
RICK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BENEFIT, A FEW RICH PEOPLE OF ORIENT.
AND WE Hg.VE TAPES THAT SAY THAT. I DEAN THAT KIND OF, SORT OF POINTS
AT YOU, PERSONALLY, DAD. BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE. MR. PUCKLI
WENT OUT AND DID A SURVEY AND INDEED WHAT HE FOUND IS THAT THERE
IS A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT TO THE TOWN FROM AN AIRPORTO IN THE COM-
MERCIAL SENSE. MANY PEOPLE MAY NOT BENEFIT DIRECTLY. THAT IS TO-
SAY BY USINrl THE AIRPORT. BUT THEY CAN BENEFIT INDIRECTLY BY ECO•-
NOMIC BENEFITS TO THE TOWN AS A WHOLE. IT'S ALSO BEEN PROPOSED
THAT EVEN IF YOU DO BUILD IT, THERE' S NOT GOING TO BE ANYONE AROUND
TO USE IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE ANY AIRPORT HERE NOW. THAT'S NCT
TRUE, THAT'S BE7N INVESTIGATED AND IT' S BEAN ESTABLISHED' THAT IN-
DEED THERE IS ENOU H POTENTIAL USE TO SUPPORT THE AIRPORT ECONOM-
ICALLY, FTC. PEOPLE SAY, WHY DON'T YOU GO TO WESTHAMPTON? WELL,
USING MY ANAL0 Y IN THAT AN AIRPORT IS A PLACE TO LAUNCH PLANES.
A BOAT RAMP IS A PLACE TO LAUNCH BOATS. . .NOW, THE TOWN BUILDS
BOAT RAMPS IN DIFFERENT PLACES AROUND TOWN. , NOT EVERYONE BENEFITS
FROM THEM. SOME PEOPLE DO. THEY SPEND LOTS OF MONEY. BOUGHT ONE
J z ✓ ��F�� ���s;?'tc `� x
�3 z
IN ORIENT, .•THAT? . .TWO ACRES? X78,000? NOT EVEN TWO ACRES? BUT
EVERYBODY' S UP IN ARMS ABOUT $87, OCO FOR 141 ACRES. O.K. I SAY,
IF YOU WANT ME 7`0 i0 TO W STHAMPTON TO FLY MY PLANZI I SAY, YOU
GO TO WESTHAMPTON TO LAUNCH YOUR BOAT. NOW, THINGS LIKE SAFETY,
REAMS OF REPORTS, REAMS, SCIENTIFIC REPORTS THAT SAY THAT AIR-
PORTS DO NOT POSE A THREAT TO THE PEOPLE. SAME THING WITH NOISE.
THEY'VE DONE STUDIES. THEY SAY THAT NO SIGNIFICANT ,DISE- VENTS
OUT OF THE AIRPORT AREA, BUT PEOPLE, ON THEIR OWN CHOOSE NOT TO
BELIEVE THAT. BUT, THAT' S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY. TE'RE CHARGED
WITH GOING OUT, FINDING THE FACTS AND REPORTING THEN:. PERCEPT-
IONS ARE NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY. WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE POINT,
NOW THIS IS THE NU1,BER THAT FRANK BEAR POINTED OUT, THAT THIS IS
A SOCIAL ISSUE. THAT' S AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE AS OPPOSED TO A FACTUAL
0 DO YOU LIKE, IT, 'DO::.YOU WANT IT, VERSUS DOES IT MAKE SENSE?
THE STUDY IS TO ESTABLISH WHETHER OR NOT IT MAKES SENSE, NOT TO
ESTABLISH WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIKE IT OR WANT IT. THAT' S ,;HAT THE
PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE FOR AND THEY JUST HAVE NOT HAPPENED YET. WE'RE
NOT PULLING A FAST ONE. WE'RE FOLLOWING THE PROCEDURE AS IT' S
BEEN WRITTEN OUT BY LAW. WE' RE FOLLOWING THE RULES. BUT EVERY-
TIME THERE'S A MEETING, EVERY30DY FIGURES THAT'S IT. .IF THEY
DON'T GO IN AND CAUSE THE BIGGEST COMMOTION POSSIBLE THAT THE
AIRPORT IS gOING TO BE RAMED RIGHT THROUGH. NOT TRUE. %7, HAVE,
AT EVERY TURN, OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS, AND THIS HAS BEEN FUND`,D
PRIMARILY OUT OF GUR''OWN POCKET, WE HAVE FOLLOI D EVERY LAST
CURLCUE UET OUT Hv TITS' LAW. ;•IE GO m0 :,VERY . EETI`: , SIE PROVIDE,
REPORTS, ;;' LAVE OPEI: PUBLIC MEETI*TGS OF THE AVIATION ASSOCIATION
T T. T�: Tl�T^'1 PTTT Tl Tom; -1 *T!'1 ^r\ T
L PL�jL�SI. OUT .j.v� L4 T BER �: T'IE P APR SAYI.� � DO YOU WANT IN-
FORMATIO^.? CALL US. WE'LL SHOW YOU, WE'LL TALK TO YOU, WE'LL
EVEN TAKE YOU UP FOR A FLIGHT. AND WE GET NO RESPONSE, NONE.
I
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT LAND USE, O.K.? THIS PIECE OF LAND IS FOR
SALE. THERE ARE A ItL'MBER OF ALI'ERILATIVES THAT CAN HAPPEN, :ra lPIGTHT?
ONE IS, IT CAN SIMPLY r'I COLD TO A DEVELOPER, O.K. ? THEN CHANCES
ARE, IN ONE MRM OR ANOTHER, HE PUTS HOUSES ON IT. EITHER TWO
ACRE ZONING HERE OR MAYBE HE MAKES A CLUSTER PROPOSAL, THEREfS
MANY DIFFERENT WAYS TO STAY WIT TIN THE RULES. MOST PEOPLE AGREE
THAT THEY WANT TO MAINTAI^t THAT AS OPEN SPACE. SO WE ASSUME
THAT HOUSES ARE AS UNDESTREABLE, AN UNDESIREABLE THING. THEREfS
FOUR REAL ISSUES ABOUT 'UTTAT Y,07 Cr?\' DO ``JITH THIS LAND, WHAT IS
IT GOING TO COST THE TO it, =GW PIUCH C0111TROL ARE THEY GOING TO
HAVE OVER IT, IS IT GOING TO 7,E OPEN SPACE OR NOT, ,AND IS IT A
GOOD, EFFECTIVE USE OF T-HE LI�ND. NOW THERE I S ThREE ALTERNATIVES :
YOU CAN SELL IT TO A D , T_7LOPER, YOU CAN PUT AN AIRPORT ON IT OR
POSSIBLY YOU CAN PL'T IT TIT T J7 FARMLAND PRESERVATION PROGRAM.
NQW, PTONEY. ITIS 141 ACRES, 1�dltD YOU. . .YOU PUT AN AIRPORT ON IT
AND IT COSTS THE TON 07,COO. NOW FOR 141 ACRES, THAT'S CHEAP,
BUT IF THEY SELL IT TO A DEVELOPER IT DOESN'T COST THE TOWN A
CENT. WHAT IF YOU PUT IT IN FARMLAND PRESERVATION? WELL, YOU BUY
THE DEVELOPMENT RIsHTS. B-Y GIVT-777T MCNEY TO THE DEVELOPER, NOT ,THE
PEOPLE WHO FARM IT, TO ICHE, DEVELOPER. AT THE TUNE OF, WELL,
DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS :0'�1 G0 FOR WHAT X10.000 AN ACRE OR SO?
DAVE SPOHN. . .NO, THEYt RE IT
AOT 'THAT RIGH, JOHN.
JOFiTT SPOHN. . .HOW HIGH ARE T HEY?
DAVE SPOIP`I. . .THEYI RE ONLY AT 'i NTE TALKING STAGE, THEY"RL ONLY AT FIVE
14AYBE.
JOHN SPO' I. . .O.K. , WE I LL USE RCUiID ?i 1GURES, �,000 AN ACRE. WE 'RE
TAL 17-4, ABOUT p7"oC00 GT _L iG TO THE DEVELOPERS. NOW, CONTROL:
YOU PUT A! AIRPORT ON IT, TF E TOWN OWItS THE LAND, TOTAL CONTROL.
AT SOPlE POINT DOWN THE ROAD, THEY SAY, OH MY GOD, WE DON f T WANT
� � ow
T11=. YOU HAVE CONTRCL, TAKE IT OUT. BUT `'OU"I" GOT CONTRCL.
A?ID IF YOU SELL IT TO A DE7:LONER — NO CONTROL. FARMLAND ?RES—
ERVATION? WELL, YOU'VE ".OT A PROMISE FROM A DEVELOPER THAT HE
IS NOT GOI'1G TO DEVELOP IT. BUT AS FAR AS DIRECT CONTROL OF
THE LAND, NONE. OPEN SPACE? IF YOU PUT AN AIRPORT ON IT, YOU
ONLY COVER 2015'.' OF THE LAND. SO 80� OF THAT 141 ACRES IS GOING
TO BE OPEN. OPEN. ALRIIIET-? SO IF THERE' S A DEVELOPER WHAT
HAPPENS? NO. FARMLAND PRESERVATION? YES, IT WlL7L''BE:)0EEN. OR
YOUR PROMISE. . . . . . .
TAPE CHA IG E
JOHN SPOHN. . .CONTINUED. . . .NOT A THING SOES INTO THE GROUND WATER.
MANY PEOPLE PROPOSE THAT FOR SOS'-,' REASON THAT THE AVIATION ASSOC—
IATION, UNDER THE TABLE, IS ACTUALLY JUST GETTING IT'S FOOT IN
THE DOOR. BUT WHAT THEY REALLY WANT, IS SCr3THING LIKE ISLIP.
WRONG. THE FACILITY THAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS EXACTLY WHAT TIE
N.F.A.A.. WANTS 'AIQD-THEY DO NOT WANT A LARGER FACILITY. WE AR25 TI T
ASKING FOR ONE. IF THA' tS WHAT WE WANTED, THAT'S WHAT WE'D ASK
FOR. THE ELECTRIC LINES. . .ANY OVERHEAD ELECTRIC LINES CAN' BE
RELOCATED OR BURIED. PIO INCREASED DANGER TO THE PUBLIC, NO DE—
CREASE IN RELIABILIT`:' CF SERVICE OR ANYTHIt41T LIKE THAT. WE,
THROUGHOUT, AGAIN SIX YEARS, WE HAVE G014 E WE'LL OUT OF OUR WAY AT
OUR OWN EXPENSE TO SAY WE ARE 'WILLING"'TO' #TORK.'WITH'-'ANYBODY,-'ACOFPT
YOUR COMMENTS, DO `EVERYTHING. ADDRESS EVERY LAST LITTLE QUESTION
THAT'S RAI ;ED. AND IT' S idLC;,SSARY, IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
IF FOR SOA.E REAS^,I 'TFI3Y CROS , A DIFFERENT SITE, THEN IT'S LIKELY
THAT MR. BERGMAN WOt-1LD NOT BE HERE, BUT IT IS LIKELY THAT SOMEBODY
ELSE WOULD. ANYWHERE YOU PUT IT IS .xCING TO EFFECT SOMEBODY. THEY
RATED ALL OF THESE, SITES AND THE ONE THAT CAME OUT BEST, AS FAR
AS THE RATING PROCESS IS CONCERNED, IS SITE FIVE. SO FAR. BUT, IF
., r
ENOUGH S'l-u IFI CANT OPI'OZITIO'.'T 1a 7 CICED, TEEN THEY HAVE TC LOOK
AT ALTERNATIVES. THEY GO RACK tLTTD CHANGE THE SITE. THATtU THE
WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT VERY EARLY
ON YOU MENTIONED BIRDS. Tv-OW, ISNtT IT TRUE THAT AT A NUMBER OF
AIRPORTS AROUND THE COUT.d 'RY, AT A MAJORITY OF AIRPORTS AROUND THE
COUNTRY, INCLUDING SO1112 OF THE LARGEST IN THE COUNTRY, THAT THE
WILDLIFE IN THE AREA ATTR T-HEE AIRPORT VERY PEACEFULLY CO-7EXIST,
IS THAT TRUE?
DAVE SPOHN. . .THAT'S TRUE.
JOHN SPOHN. . .ATLANTA, ISMtT THAT ONE OF THEM?
DAVE SPOHN. . .ATLANTA? ItM NOT SURE ATLANTA IS ONE OF THEIN?. BUT J.F.K.
IS A VERY GOOD WILDLIFE AREA' BOSTON. . . .
JOHN SPOHN. . .ALSO, EXCUSE T L', THAT APPLI':S KI"TD OF , TO THAT CARTOON TD—
DAY IN THE SUFFOLK TITHES. TIiAT t S IMPLYING THAT FOR SOME REASON
IF YOU MAKE AN AIRPORT OUT OF Sn-Ig.E LATTD, THAT THAT I S GOING TO EX—
CLUDE THE BIRDS. FALSE. WEEIVE GOT FACTS TO SHOW OTHERWISE. THAT' S
ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY. ?.
DAVE SPOHN. . .THANK YOU, JOHN. YOUR COMMENTS ARE WELL RECEIVED.
ERIC BERGMAN. . .THERE f S ONLY CITE FALSEHOOD THERE. IT' S NOT 141 ACRES �
FOR SALE, ITIS 140. ONE AC ,L Ia MINE. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
DAVE SPOHN. . .WELL, JUST A MINUTE, ItLL GIVE YOU THE BREAKDOWN. HE SAID
THE PIECE WAS THAT SIZE. iii 3IDT1 t T SAY IT WAS FOR SALE. IT'S 86
AND .60 AND 54. YOUtLL HAVE TO ADD TiiAT UP.
ERIC BERGTl':AN. . .WELL, WHATEVER IT I:;, IT IS ONE ACNE IN THE MIDDLE. . . . . . . .
I"iS. FF.RGTIAN. . .TEE 86, wE ,ROKE 0 F AN ACRE WHEN WE. . . . . . . . . .
DAVE SPOiiN . . .OH.. C.K. PAUL.
PAUL STO';TENBURGH. . .•."'ONJ. OF THE C'0NDITIONS FOR SITE SELECTION IS THAT
THE LAND IS AVAILABLE, IT IS FOR SALE, IS THAT RIGHT? IN OTHER
WORDS YOU WOULD NOT 00"IDEMN THE LAND?
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DAVE SPU:.; . . .:^' LL, WE ' RE JUST �?,SPCUSING. . . . .
PAUL STOUT7=URGIi. . . I JUST HEARD IT SAID THAT THEY'RE NOT CONDZI11I'1G
ANY LAND AND I DIDN'T KNOW. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE TEAT'S CLEAR.
DAVE SPOHN. . .?E'LL, I'LL TRY TO PUT IT IN THE BEST WORDS I CAN. I'M NOT
THE PERSON THAT CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. BUT THE POSTURE HAS
BEEN THTAT THE TOWN UP TO THIS POIr1T, AS FAR AS I KNOW, HAS NEWER
;. CONDEMNED LAND TO TAKE SOMETHING. I CAN BE CORRECTED ON THAT.
BUT, I THINK THAT'S THE POSTURE SO FAR. AND OUR POSTURE, FROM
MY OWN ORGANIZATION WOULD BE NOT TO GO THAT ROUTE EITHER. THAT
WOULD BE UP TO THE TOWN BOARD, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ANSWER.
PAUL STOUTENBURGH. . . I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS A PRAGMATIC STATEMENT AND
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR,
DAVE SPOHN. . .DOZES THAT SOUND CLEARER?
PAUL STOUTENBUR"H. . .NOT PARTICULARLY.
DAVE SPOHN. . .WELL, HOW COULD I MAKE IT CLEARER?
PAUL STOUTENBURGH. . .YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE NO CONDEMNATION AND I WANTED
TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS UNDERSTOOD, THAT THAT'S
DAVE SPOHN. . .MR. LORRIN BIRD HAS MORE EXPERTISE ON THAT PARTICULAR POINT.
PAUL STOUTENBURGH. . .IF YOU HAD THE BEST STOP AND SOMEBODY DIDN'T WANT
TO SELL IT I WANT TO KNOW HOW YOUR GOING TO GO AHEAD WITH IT.
DAVE SPOHN. . .I THINK THAT WOULD BE A STALEMATE, THAT'S IN MY OPINION. IN
MY OPINION IT WOULD BE A STALEMATE UNLESS YOU COULD ADDRESS THE
GRIEVANCE OF THE PERSON INVOLVED, YOUR STUCK.
PAUL STOUTENBURGH. . .WHAT DOES TH7,, GZ1JTLEMAN OVER THERE. . . . . . .
LORRIN BIRD. . .WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME ANSWER-AN EASIER QUESTION. IF
A LAND OWNER DIDN 'T WANT TO "ELL FOR SOME REASON AND TH3 TOWN DID
NOT WANT TO CONDEMN, THEN IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE, MIGHT, THAT THE
LAND WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE AIRPORT. NOW I'M AVOID-
ING ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION WHEN IT'S IN THE MIDDLE. IF IT'S AT
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THE ],DGE OF THE AIRPORT, IT'S NOT WITHIN THE BUILDING RESTRICTION
LINE, IT ' S NOT WITHIN THE L.D..:. 715 NOISE CONTOUR, WHICH THERE
WON'T BE FOR THIS AIRPORT, THEN THE PLAN MAY RECOMMEND BUYING THEE
LAND. BUT IT' S VERY POSSIBLE THERE'D BE NO REASON TO BUY IT. IfM
NOT SURE WHY THE BOUNDARIES WERE LAID OUT THE WAY THEY WERE ON
THE MAP. BUT THE TOWN, WHEN THEY SIGN THE THE A.L.P. , THE A.L. -P.
RECO121EN DS THAT THE LAND BE ACQUIRED. IF THE TOWN CAN JUSTIFY
; '. NOT ACQUIRING IT AS PART OF THE AIRPORT ACQUISITION AND IF THEY
CAN JUSTIFY IT TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE STATE AND THE F.A.A. ,
BECAUSE WE LIKE TO BE SATISFIED BEFORE WE PUT OUR MONEY DOWN.
THEN, THE LAND DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ACQUIRED, BY THE TOWN. IF THE
LAND IS RIGHT SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RUNWAY, THE WAY THE
F.A. A. AND THE STATE OPERATE IS, BEFORE WE GIVE YOU MONEY FOR THE
RUNWAY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE LAND. NOW THE RUNWAY CONSTRUCTION
CANfT START AND THEN IT BECOMES THE TOWN'S RESPONSIBILITY FOR
ALL THE PARCELS. BUT IF THERE'S A PARCEL RIGHT IN THE ,MIDDLE, AND
THE LAPID OWNER DOES NOT WANT TO SELL, AND THE TOWN DOES NOT WANT
TO CONDEMN, THEN THAT'S THE END OF THINGS 'MORE OR LESS, I GUESS.
DAVE SPOHN. . .JOHN, DQ YOU WANT TO COMMENT?
JOHN� SPOHN. . .Y.ES. I PERSONALLY, VERY STRONGLY SUPPORT THE SELECTION OF
A SUITP.BLE SITE AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A FACILITY OF THIS TYPE,
I WOULD STRONGLY OPPOSE CONDEMNATION OF LAND TO CONSTRUCT THIS
SITE. THAT IS FORCING IT DOWN SOMEB^DY'S THROAT. THAT'S WHAT
WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID. I WOULD STROtGLY OPPOSE THAT. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
DAVE SPORT. . . I CA t f T SPEAK FOR MY ORGANIZA,TI ON, I 'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND
TALK. TO THEM ABOUT THAT. BUT MY PERSONAL VIEW COINCIDES WITH MY
SON'S.
QUESTION FR0.1 THE AUDIENCE. . . .WOULD ANY OF THESE SITES REQUIRE REQUESTING
OWNERS TO SELL? OR ARE THEY ALL UP FOR SALE?
DAVE SPOIDI. . .OH, WELL, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT PART. THAT' S OUR BIG
PROBLEM TODA Y.
QUESTION FROM SANE GEyNTLEMAN. . .FOR EXAMPLE, SITE FIVE, THE ONE THAT YOU
NEED TO. . . . .
PAUL PUCKLI . . .WELL, WE NEED TO SPEAK TO ALL THE OWNERS. WE HAVE NOT
TALKED TO ALL THE OWNERS.
SAME GENTLEMAN. . .SO IT' S NOT ALL UP FOR SALE.
PAUL PUCKLI, . .WE DON'T KNOW THAT.
DAVE SPOHN. . .BUT THE SITE ITSELF, SITE FIVE, ALL THE LAND EXCEiPT THE ONE
ACRE OF MR. BERGMAN'S, AT THIS POINT, IS FOR SALE.
SAME GENTLEMAN. . .THAT'S WHAT I MEANT, THANK YOU.
DAVE SPOHN. . .YES. BUT YOU KNOW THERE' S ONE ACRE THAT'S NOT FOR SALE AND
THAT ONE, BECAUSE IT BELONGS TO MR. BERGMAN, WHO HAS EXPRESSED
HIS VIEWS.
QUESTION FROM THE AUDIENCE. . .WHAT ABOUT THE SECOND, NUMBER TWO . PART, IS
THAT ALL AVAILABLE? WOULD THAT. .. . . . . . .
DAVE SPOHN. . .WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T APPROACHED ANYBODY. WE
APPROACHED NUMBER FIVE SIMPLY TO GET A BALL PARK FIGURE; OF LAND
VALUES AND GEORGE WETMORE, WHO IS DOING OUR WORKti FOR US, -ALONG
THOSE LINES, IiE' S DOING IT FOR OUR ORGAPd IZr" l ION AT NO FEE. HE 'S
APPROACHING THEOWNERS TO FIND OUT A: FOR SALE AND B: HOW MUCH.
SO AGAR?, I'fIIS IS A SITUATION WHERE: THERLE;'S; BEEN NO MONEY SPENT
BY THE TOWN UP TO THIS POINT OVER SIX YEARS.
QUESTION, SAME GENTLEMAN. . .HOW ABOUT SIX? YOU HAVEN'T EVEN INQUIRED. . . . . .
DAVE SPOHN. . .NO, THAT'S TRUE. WE HAVEN'T ANYBODY. JE, APPROACHED, GEORGE
HAS CALLED THESE PEOPLE ON I'D SAY THE LAST FOUR SITES. THE LAST
TIME I TALKED TO HIPI, THE ONLY ONE 117. HEARD FROM WAS SITE FIVE,
SO THEREFORE WE ENEW, OR HAD A BALL PARK FIGURE FOR SITE FIVE.
BUT WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE OTHER PEOPLE YET. AND THAT'S BEING
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DONE 2Y A REALTOR, NOT IE.
QUESTION FROM THE AUDIENCE. . .DOES THE PROPERTY THAT THE PERSON OWNS ON
SITE FIVE, THAT YOU COULD BUY, GO ALL THE WAY TO THE BLUFFS?
DAVE SPOHN. . .YES.
SAME LADY FROM AUDIENCE. . .THAT'S THE SANE ONE OWNER?
DAVE SPOHN. . .YES. ACTUALLY IT'S NOT A ONE OWNER, ITIS- A INCORPORATION.
rK MARLAKE, I THINK IlVE GOT IT RIGHT THIS TIME. IT'S MARLAKE INC.
ONE OF THE OWNERS I BELIEVE, LIVES IN ONTARIO, CANADA AND .TWO
'« OTHER GENTLEMEN. O.K. , JOHN.
JOHN SPOHN. . . ISN'T IT TRUE, THAT BECAUSE OF THE PHYSICAL DIMENSIONS OF
THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL, THAT WITHOUT ACTUALLY ACQUIRING ANY OTHER
PARCELS, THAT WE COULD NOT EXPAND THE AIRPORT BEYOND THIS PRO-
POSED SIZE?
DAVE SPOHN. . .THATIS SOMETHING WE ALMOST GOT TO IN THE SLIDE PRESENTATION,
BUT I DIDN 'T QUITE GET TO IT.
JOHN SPOHN. . .BUT THE POINT IS, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF THE DISCRETION OF
::`:ANYBODY, THEY CANNOT.
DAVE `$POHN. . .CANNOT. THERE'S NO PHYSICAL WAY TO DO IT. IN OTHER WORDS,
YOU CANfT EXTEND THE SOUND BLUFF OR GO OUT OVER THE WATER IN THAT
DIRECTION. YOU CERTAINLY CAN'T MOVE ROUTE 48 WHICH IS A DUAL LANE
HIGHWAY, SO YOU' RE ABSOLUTE LIMIT IS THERE, POW. SO YOU SAY, O.K.
HOW ABOUT GOING NORTHEAST-SOUTHWEST. WELL, THERE -YOU GET INTO A
PROBLEM OF HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GEST THE LAND. AND IF YOUR TALKING
ABOUT 3600 FEST, WHICH REQUIRES 5000, YOUR TALKING ABOUT TEN FARMS
IN A ROW. COST-WISE, LHAT' S JUST CLEAN OUT OF SIGHT. SO, DOTuS
THAT ANS�I'ER THE Qt. STIOIIT ABOUT EXPAN-010':%? THE RUNWAY ALLOti'1S JUST
SO MUCH TRI'iFFIC. Ii`, OTITER WORDS THE RUNWAY THAT IS PLANNED IS
3600 FEET LONG AND TO FLY ON OR OFF ' .AT RUNWAY, ONLY CERTAIN TYPES
OF PLANES DO IT.
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JOHN SPOHN. . .ITO JETS, CORR ;OT?
DAVE SPO12T. . .NO JETS.
JOHN SPOHN. . .ILLEGAL, IMPOSSIBLE.
DAVE SPOHN. . .WELL, IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE. LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY. INSURANCE
WISE, I THINK THAT THE S,TALL BUS. JETS REQUIRE 5000 FEET FOR THEM
TO BE INSURED. NOW WHETHERE SOMEBODY COULD POSSIDLY' GET SOMETHING
THATt.S DEVELOPED TWO YEARS FROM NOW, WHICH IS A SUPER QUIET, NEW
NEW VERTICAL TAKE—OFF AND LANDING TYPE. . . .
JOHN SPOHN. . .THERE ARE NO CURREI T JETS?
DAVE SPOHN. . .NO.
JOHN SPOHN. . .MAYBE PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. .2� BIG NOISE FACTOR
AND THAT NOT MANY PEOPLE ARE AS WELL—VERSED I`T�AVIATION .AS WE ARE
AND THEY ITEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT WITHIIi' THE SCOPE OF THIS
PROJECT TO ACCOMODATE JETS OR EVE,T HEAVY T117INS.
DAVE SPOHN. . .THE WHOLE ACCOMODATION IS BELOW TWELVE—FT.VE AND WELL BELOW
THAT W'EIG; T LEVEL ON3600 FLET. BECAUSE WHEN GLT INTO THE
'LARGER AIRCRAFT, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AIR TAXI OPERATIONS, �,HYCFi IS
A BIG PART OF IT, WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING AEOITT THE PEOPLE WHO KEEP
THEIR AIRPLANES THERE. THE TRANSPORTATION FLOW ON THIS END OF THE
ISLAND AND FROM CONNECTICUT AND BACK AND FORTH TO THE SOUTH SHORE,
THERE'S A CONSIDERABLE AIR TAXI NETWORK. AND PRESENTLY, WE'RE IN
IT PARTIALLY WIT:: THE PRESS TT MATTITUCK RUNWAY, 'vTHICH IS 2200 FEET.
AND IS LIi SITED TO DAYLIGHT ONLY. A^TD YOU :"+OTIC_ MR. REEVES LEFT.
IT GOT DARK 0TD HE TT AD TO LEAVE. SO, SINCE THAT'.S .A LIMITED* :THAT'S
WHAT:TT'. IS, 2200 FEET. THE BIGGER TWINS REQUIRE BALANCED TAKE—OFF
::'r/AY LE at' w 7,'.!I?E?' YOU GET TNTC A"T AIR—TAXI OPERATION, THEY HAVE TO
ATn I RULES OF THEE F.A.R!S: . . . .AND TO DO THAT, A BALANCED
TAF:E—OFF RU"TWA y LE" G ^LI MEANS T 751Y Com,': ACCELERATE TO A SPEED AND
AT THAT TIME AND AT 1HAT INSTAIIT THEY CAN EITHER STOP WITH THE
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REMAININI RU7WAY OR CCNTI'_=_ TO '--','.KE OFF ON 01``' I 1"TE I TLI A-I 1► 3
WHAT ITIS CAL". D. ITIS A 1'iND ITfS 11147 'ITT I, MAYUALS.
Y TT A'IT
I 11 HAV -TC) i,7I-TURL;,' IT CUT "ROSS WEIGHT xl. ,4D 'EVE"R"77-H.ING. SO
THAT WOULD POSITIVELY LIL"'TIT '21-7.2, SIZE OF ANY TWINS THAT CAN OPER-
ATE IN THERE WITH A PART 135 OPERATION. I KNOW EVERYBODY' S REALLY
HANGING IN HERE,RE, AND I THINK I BETTER SHUT UP AND TAKE QUESTIONS
AND BEFORE I SHUT UP I 'LL SAY MY TELEPHONE NUMBER IS 323-3543,
AND HONESTLY, I HAVE SLIDES, WILL TRAVEL AND BUCKETS OF INFORMATION,
IF YOU WOULD CARE TO LOOK AT IT AND I TRY TO BE AS UNBIASED AS
POSSIBLE WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT THE INFORMATION. BECAUSE IT' S MY
RESPONSIBILITY IN MY POSITION AS TOWN CONTACT TO DO EXACTLY THAT
AND I'VE PLEDGED TO DO EXACTLY THAT.
MRS. -':!V-,ABRV-. , .IN YOUR SLIDES YOU SHOW AN AIRPORT, AND FIVE YEARS LATER
HOW IT' S GREW UP- AROUND IT. WE DON'T WANT GROWTH OUT HERE. FOR
THE 1,10ST PART., MAJOR GROWTH AND OU'RE TALKING GREAT BIG SHOPPING
CENTERS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A ISMITH HAVEN MALL BY US AND
WHATEVER. IS THIS WHAT YOU SAID?
DAVE SPOHN. . .NO. THE PURPOSE WAS NOT TO SHOW THAT THE AIRPORT ITSELF
CREATED THE SHOPPING MALL. THE PURPOSE WAS TO SHOW THAT IN WHERE
THIS LITTLE AIRPORT WAS AND STILL IS WHICH INCIDENTALLY, WHEN IT
COj.jES JUNEDIRST$ IS OUT OF BUSINESS, IT'S CLOSING, BECAUSE LAND
DEVELOPERS IL'I'lE BOUGHT IT AND ARE CLOSING IT, SO IT WON'T BE AN,
AIRPORT AFTER THAT. SO THE PEOPLE THAT BUILT TILE HOUSES WHICU�L I
SIIO�''ED YOU ON THE SLIDE.. THEY HAVE A COVENANT I'll THEIR DEED WHICH
SAYS THA" AS LOTTIG- AS THZY LIVE THERE AiTD AS LCN-- AS THAT AIRPORT
IS Ti-11 ;RIS, TITC
EY 211'"T SAY ANYTHING Ar THE AIRPORT BECAUSE THEY
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K7EW TT13 AIRPORT WAS THERE. BUT I WAS JUST ADDRESSING ALL THE MAJOR
JQSITEP
') i , YOU THINK OF IN TERMS OF RESIDENTS. RESIDENTS NEXT TO AN
AIRPORT, THERE YOU SEE IT. RESIDENTS NEXT TO A NUCLEAR PLANT, THERE
YOU SSE .IT, RESIDEIDITS 13EXIP TO AN I ZT'i,R-STATE HIGHWAYS THERE YOU
SEL IT, RESIDENTS NE'1;.T TO A lTEW SIIOPPIN= CENTER, THERE YOU SEE
IT* . *AND YOU CAN SEE THE WHOLE FLOW AND THAT IS ABOUT
TWELVE MILES FROM HERE. IT'S NOT ON THIS SIDE, I REALIZE, BUT
IT' S JUST TO SHOW YOU THOSE POINTS. THAT'S 1.1HAT THAT WAS ABOUT.
IT WAS NOT TO DH `OW YOU .-HAT THE AIRPORT WE IRE TALKING ABOUT IS
GOING TO CREATE T-AT iI:YD OF ACTIVITY OR THAT KIND OF SHOPPING
CDNTER, NO WAY.
MRS. SKABRY. . .YOU'RE GOING TO 'ZONE IT INDUSTRIAL, RIGHT?
DAVE SPOHN. . .WELL, THE AIRPORT ITSELF BECOMES AN AIRPORT, AS I UNDER-
STAND IT, BY DECREE FROM THE TOWN BOARD. . . . . . . .BOARD. THE AREA
AROUND IT IS NOT CHANGED, IT'S ONLY THE SITE ITSELF, PERIOD.
PRESENTLY, RIGHT NOW, IN THE ZONING, TO CREATE AN AIRPORT, YOU
HAVE TO HAVE GENERAL INDUSTRIAL LAND IN TOWN. THERE IS ABOUT
A HUNDRED ACRES OF GENERAL INDUSTRIAL LAND IST SOUTHOLD AND A GOOD
PORTION OF THAT .IS THE TOWN LAND FILL PLUS THAT BIG GREEN PIECE
THAT I SHOWED YOU NEXT TO IT. SO THAT LEAVES OVER, JUST BALL PARK
NOW, MAYBE TWENTY ACRES. SO THERE ISN 'T TWENTY ACRES IN TOWN THAT
YOU COULD PUT AN AIRPORT. SO TFIEORETICALLY, THEREIS NO ZONING
THAT ALLOWS IT, PERIOD. EVEN THE PRESENT ONES, INCLUDING FISHERS
ISLAND WHICH HAS B�IEN AN AIRPORT SI`;CE THE MILITARY HAD IT AND
GAVE IT TO THE TOWN IN 1959, IT'S STILL SHOWN AS B-1, BUSINESS.
DON'T ASK ME WHY, BUT THAT' S4�t1AT IT SAYS AND THAT t S WHAT IT SHOWS.
JOHN SPOHN. . .THE REASON THAT A PROPOSAL OF THIS SIZE IS BEING CONSIDERED
IS NOT NECESSARILY TO TURN ALL 110 ACRES INTO AN AIRPORT. IT'S TO
PROVIDE FOR THE NECESSARY CLEAR ZONES AND BUFFER ZONES TO INSULATE
THE SURROUNDTNG COMMUNITY FROM ANY OF THE OFFENSIVE OR ANY OF
THE OPERATIONS OF THE AIRPORT THAT THEY FIND OFFENSIVE.THE ACTUAL
AIRPORT, THE ACTUAL RUNWAY WILL PROBABLY TAKE UP WHAT? TWENTY ACRES?
THI1"T ' ACRES?
DAVE SPOIu^1. . .T?^TNTY AT THE MOST. TWENTY AT THE TOPS.
JOHN SPOHN. . .TW NTY PER CENT, SO TIiATIZ TOTENTY— IGHT ACRES. . . . . .THE
'-REPORT SAYS ABOUT TWENTY PER CENT OF THE LAND, SO ITIS NOT GOING
TO NECESSARILY BE AS LARGE A FACILITY AS 140 P.CRES WOULD LEAD
YOU TO BELIEVE.
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DAVE SPOHN. . .THE WHOLE INTENT HERE, IS IF IT CAN BE DONE, THAT THE PER—
IPHERY AROUND THAT BE FARMED, WHICH IS DONE AT MANY AIRPORTS IN
THE COUNTRY. WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE PERIPHERY ACRES THAT WE I RE RE—
QUIRED TO HAVE TO USE AS BUFFERS, BE PUT INTO FARMING. AND THERE 'S
MANY AIRPORT AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT DO THAT, AS I SAID. DALLAS—
FORT WORTH IS ONE OF THEM.. THEY HAVE A, LOT OF ACREAGE THERE. IN—
DIANAPOLIS, INDIANA HAS A LOT OF ACREAGE.
QUESTION FROM AUDIENCE. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .RENT IT OUT AND THE REVENUES GO
BACK TO THE TOWN?
DAVE SPOi-IN. . .Oli, SURE. IT WOULD BE A WAY OF PUTTING SOME FARMLAND BACK
INTO FARMLAND PRESERVATION IN ANOTHER WAY, PURCHASED SO TO SPEAK
WITH AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT AID PROGRAM FUNDS. BUT THE MECHANISMS OF
TIT-AT i 'D HAVE 'TO LEAVE TO THE EXPERTS. IT' S JUST AN IDEA THAT
WE'RE LOOKING AT AND ADDRESSING. BECAUSE THEY HAVE SAID IN THE
PAPER, SOMEBODY FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT WKS-QUOTED AS SAYING THAT
THE I OTTLD LIKE TO PUT THE AIRPORT COMPLEX ITT TEE MIDDLE OF FARM—
LAND DEVELOPMENT LAND SO THAT THERE WAS E:1nFERS ALL AROUND ON ALL
E'DCEti OF IT. THIS REPORT ADDRESSES IT AND SAYS AFTER YOU DECIDE
tIIL'1, R E TO PUT IT, YOU SHOULD HAVE ZONING THAT WOULD PREVENT EN—
CROs?!II?:?E dT. SO THERE IS ATTCmEiER TOOL TO SAY, O.K. , HERE 'S WHERE
YOU'VE D'-,:CIDED TO PUT YOUR AIRPORT, IT ' S BIG ENOUGH TO CONTAIN TAE. '
NOISE OTT ITIS SITE. NOW, HOW ABOUT PUTTING SOME ZONING LAWS IN
THAT SAY YOU CANIT ENCROACH ON IT AND LATER CREATE A PROBLEM. THIS
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WOULD GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO ZONE SO ' — '-"TG rfHAT WOULD BE OPEN SPACE,
AND USED FOR -JOr1TATABLE USES.
FRANK BEAR. . .I T-IiINK IdE SHOULD THANK TH-r,' C01'-,-TIT711]- E 1iND DAVE SPOHN FOR
GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, TO LISTEN.
DAVE SPOHN. . .THANK YOU FRANK, AND ITIS OUR INTENTION TO GIVE�,,YOU ALL
THE INFORMATION. ITtS SIMPLY THAT WE WERE TRYING TO WAIT UNTIL
WE HAD IT ALL TOGETHER IN A PACKAGE. T',j CLOSITT-12 I HAVE ONE LITTLE
STATEMENT TO READ, IT'S THE GENERAL BUSINESS LAW, STATE OF NEW
YORK. IT STATE.-d: "LEGISLATIVE FINDINGS AND PURPOSE" AND IN PART IT
SAYS"THE CONTINUING DEVELOPMENT AND THE RAPID GROWTH OF AIR TRANS-
PORTATION AND THE USE OF AIRCRAFT FOR VARIOUS PURPOSES BOTH COM-
MERCIAL AND PRIVATE DURING THE LAST TWENTY YEARS HAS SUBSTANTIALLY
CONTRIBUTED TO THE n'COIT OMIC BETTERMENT, WELL-BEING AND RECREATIONAL
ENJOYTJIENT OF THE PEOPLE' OFTHE STATE."'-- AND TTIATTS A FACT OF LAW
CURREITTLY IN EFF-';,CT. AND THEY' RE.._ SPEAK OF TI-IT-El TWENTY YEAR PERIOD
PRIOR TO 1970 AND THE C-RO'61TH HAS SLOWED Sr,)jrjqlWjTAT BUT THE BENEFITS
REMAIN EXACTLY THE SAME. I THANK YOU.
ART 14 GENERAL BUSINESS LAW § 249
§248-a. Operation of aircraft on certain Lakes in the town of Lewlsboro,
county of Westchester
No aircraft may take off from or land upon the surface of Lakes Waccabuc,
Oscalcta, Truesdale and Rippowan, in the town of Lewisboro and Lake
Kitchawan, in the towns of Lcwisboro and Pound Ridge, and county of
Westchester, except when a landing and subsequent take-off is necessary
r under actual distress conditions.
A violation of the provisions of this section is a misdemeanor.
HISTORY:
Add, L 1%5,ch 227.eff July 1, 1965.
CODES,RULES AND REGULATIONS:
�! Operstion.of aircraft in the forest preserve. 6 NYCRR J 1%.1.
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§ 249. Location of privately-owned airports
j; 1. Legislative findings and purpose. The continuing development and the
rapid growth of air transports on and the use of aircraft for various
purposes, both commercial and private, during the last twenty years,,has
substantial) contributed to the economic betterment, well-being and recrea-
tional enjoyment of the people o fbesfat'T')lc mer num er, siea
0 of iurporEs res g rom operational requirements of newer and
larger aircraft operating more frequently has brought about a conflict of
i land use. This is of particular concern to the state in major public works
construction such as highways, public buildings and facilities. There is
authority for municipalities to control the establishment or improvement of
publicly-owned airports and landing areas so as to assure coordination
between developments in the field of public works. Uncontrolled establish-
ment of privately-owned airports and landing areas could seriously impair
the existing federal-state highway program. Federal-aid highway funds may
not be used for reconstruction or relocation of any highway, the usefulness
of which may be impaired by the location or extension of an airport. This
activity also presents major problems for municipalities particularly where
I the airport or operations therefrom span more than one municipality.
The legislature, therefore, finds that in order to meet the problems of local
government in the establishment of privately-owned airports and landing
areas and to insure coordination between developments in the field of public
f works that certain criteria be met in the location of or extension of a
privately-owned airport or landing area.
2. Definitions. When used in this section:
a. Airport means both an airport and landing area as defined in section two
hundred forty of this article.
b. Airport improvement means the extension, alteration, addition to or
realignment of the runways of an existing privately-owned airport or the
modification in any way of the landing and take-off directions at such a
privately-owned airport.
3. Approval of privately-owned airports. No person shall hereafter establish
a privately-owned airport or make an airport improvement to an existing
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PUBLIC HEARING
' SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
April 2, 1964
P r e a e n t :
LESTER M. ALBERTSON, Supervisor
RALPH W. TUTHI". Justice of the Peace
HENRY A. CLARK, Justice of the Peace
LOUIS M. DEMAREST, Councilman
ROBERT W. TASKER, Town Attorney
ALBERT W. RICHMOND, Town Clerk
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AIRPORT CONTRACT HEARING
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SUPERVISOR ALBERTSON: I will open the public hearing at this
time and regd the legal notice and affidavit of publication.
"LEGAL NOTICE, NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, that the Town Board of
the Town of Southold will hold a public hearing on the 2nd day of
April 1964, at the Supervisor's Office, 16 South Street, Greanport,
New York, at 7:30 o'clock P.M. of said day upon the matter of a
proposed contract or agreement for the operation of an airport or
landing field leased by the Town of Southold at Mattituck, New York.
A copy of said proposed contract or agreement may be examined by any
person interested therein at the Southold Town Clerk's Office, Main
Street, Southold, New York.
"Dated: March 10, 1964, Albert W. Richmond, Town Clerk. "
„COUNTY OF SUFFOLK)SS:
STATE OF NEW YORK) .
"C. Whitney Booth, Jr. , being duly sworn, says that he is the
Editor, of THE LONG ISLAND TRAVELER-MATTITUCK WATCHMAN, a public
newspaper printed at Southold, in Suffolk County= and that the notice
of which the annexed is a printed copy, has been published in said
Long Island Traveler-Mattituck Watchman once each week for one week
successively, commencing on the 19 day of March, 1964. /a/ C. Whitney
Booth4 Jr.
"Sworn to before me this 23rd day of March, 1964. /a/ Margery D.
Burns, Notary Public. "
SUPERVISOR ALBERTSON: I would like to hear from any of those
present who would like to be heard in favor of the Town leasing this
airstrip. -- Before that, I have the proposed contract agreement
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here in the file and the Town Attorney advised It is not necessary
to read it through, but I would be glad to do so if anyone wishes
it.
(Thdre was no response.)
HR. MARTIN SUTER, Mattitucki Speaking both as a resident and
past president ofthe Hattituck Chamber of Commerce, we probably helped
getting the ball rolling on this. I will give you the reasons why.
Local industry gives employment to the local people and anyone who
does is very important to the Town of Southold. One of the main
industries in the area has had a problem in regard to transportation.
Since the business is country-wide time is important and the use of
airplanes is mostimportant to the management and customers. The
airport in Mattituck was not operated year-around. However, this
business is year-around. They need the airport for all times of the
year . There was no way for the local airport operator to get enough
business to make practical the use of the aprport year-around. We
were asked to support such a program. We suggested that the Town
might lease the strip and keep it in operation all year-around. The
present proposal which you have worked on for the past year is the
culmination of that beginning. It is very important to the area, not
only this plant and many others, and people do not realize it unless
they are personally involved. I myself have operated a business that
did use this airport.
The boating industry is veryimportant to the Town of Southold,
but for a very short season, and time is an important factor. Emargencit
arise when supplies and parts are needed and with the bottle-neck in
the west and of the Island, it is not only quicker but I found a lot
cheaper to fly supplies in. If a boat is damaged and a shaft or
propeller has to be repaired you could fly from Connecticut or New
Jersey with the part within an hour or hour and a half, and that is
not even enough time to send a man to Amityville. You can fly the
part in for $10.00, and to get the same part from New York city it
would cost $25.00 to $30.00, plus sending a man, the delay and
transportation. The boat can be back in the water almost the same
day.
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This is also important to the businesses/this area that are
country-wide. Wh•3n we received word they were locating outside of
this section th• response was immediate from the Chamber of Commerce
and people of the area. I recommend that the lbws proceed with this
program to lease the airport and keep it in operation year-around.
SUPERVISOR ALBERTSON: Is there someone else in favor?
MR. GLORG$ MoCARTHY: I am from Mattituek and the present
President of the Chamber of Commerce and I speak for myself. For
the past year I have been employed by K. G. Brown Manufacturing
in Mattituck. They also have a plant in Indiana. Up to now I have
been in 28 states within the last year. I have been in every state
in the east with the exception of West Virginia. I delivered a
machine to Cumberland, Maryland to the Cumberland Ice and Fuel Co.
I kidded them about having vending machines from another manufacturer.
The fellow said h• knows we have the best vending machines but there
is no way of getting in touch with us in a hurry. During the converea-
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tion we got to speaking of airplanes and he mentioned that before -
the revolution in Cuba he was quite an airplane enthusiast. I asked
him why he didn't fly to Mattituck. He said he would have to fly to
New York and then get a taxi. I told him he could fly to Mattituck
and then call Brown and they would pick him up.
Again I delivered a machine to Stamford, Connecticut. The
lady was very pleased because when she called and mentioned they
were having trouble with their machine they flew a man over to fix it.
I don't think there are many people here who know the size and
scope of business conducted by the Brown Manufacturing Company in
Mattituck. I lived all my life in Mattituck but I did not know.
I now realize the importance of the airstrip in the Mattituck area
and to this County. I also read about the shellfishing industry.
Unless it is brought to mind we just don't know it, we take things
for granted. We also know Fishers Island is a part of the Town of
Southold. You know how hard it is to keep in touch with Fishers
Island. We have a-representative from Fishers Island but he is
seldom here. If there was an airport in Mattituck we could use it, the
Town couldruse it and it would be for the goodsmf the community.
I live in what is the circle of the landing approach. No plane
has ever bothered me and I don't think they would bother anyone else .
The trucks on the Main Road bother me more. We need trucks and we
need the airplanes.
MR. KENNETH BROWN: No doubt I depend on the airbase in
Mattituck, although our operation is seasonal with ice. Starting
from now on we use that airport every day. We fly to Boston and
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Connecticut continuously. It is a bottle-neck here without the
hardship of not being able to use your plane.
MR. PHILIP GROGAN& I cover for the newspaper. We have many
occasions with film when we have to get it to Jamaica. That is the
only way we can do it. In fact, I am going to ask Phil Corby to
ffly me in tomorrow morning.
MR. EDWIN KING, Orients We have a little atratrip in Orient
and have had it for many years. I do not think it has ever-been
an inconvenience to anyone. I would like to endorse Mr. Suter 100%
on the Mattituck idea. I would like to ask how much this will
cost the towns if it is a lease proposition, and how long a lease?
SUPERVISOR A13- ERTSONs Yes, it in a lease for a ten year period .
What it will cost the Town is the cost of grading the area so that
it is smooth and putting a stable surface on it. We will do this
probably with oil. The only other charge to the Town is the cost of
real estate taxes levied against the property, and this year it was
$485.00. The cost will be about $500 a year rental.
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MR. KIM: I think it is a wonderful idea and I hope/years to
come we will have a larger one in Orient Point .
MR. PHIL CORBYs I have made a small list of people who have
used the facilities within the last few months. People in Riverhead ,
Long Island Produce, the supervisor of Riverhead and members of the
Board, Mr. Conklin, Charles Forbes of the newspaper, Sid Lumut from
New York a produce of motion pictures, Sid Steiber, also a produce
of motion pictures from.Now York. This service is very much needed
in this area. The Town of Southold is so much further ahead because
of this strip. The feature' that it will be used year-around in
a great benefit to the Town and neighboring communities. Business
that could come to Riverhead would be more inclined to come out this
way.
SUPERVISOR ALBZRTSONe Is there anyone else in favor?
MR. RICHMOND CORWIN, Mattitucks I live in the flight pattern
of the field and I feel the Town needs the field and what goes along
with it.
SUPERVISOR AZBLRTSONs It is not necessary to speak at length
if you don't want to, you may merely state your name and express
whether you are for or against the proposal.
MR. CHARLES (SATE, Attorney, %b0erheads I wholeheartedly endorse
the Town Board in the movement for this airstrip. In the Town of
Riverhead they are planning an industrial park and the intended
purchaser has inquired about airstrips and the airport being so
near Riverhead he is using that fact for selling the idea of industrial
sites.
MR. ALBERT MARTOCCHIA, resident, Town of Southolds I whole-
heartedly support this plan because I feel it is a big step in the
right direction.
SUPERVISOR ALBERTSCNs Anyone el se?
(Therewas no response.)
SUPERVISOR ALBERTSONs Is there anyone present who wishes to
speak in opposition to the establishment of this year-around airstrip
in, the Mattituck area?
(The re was no response.)
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SUPERVISOR ALBERTSON: Hearing none, we will close this hearing
for the further deliberation of the Board. Thank you for coming down.
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