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HomeMy WebLinkAbout12_D_3bRegulatory meeting 130522minutesROUNDTABLE: DECENTRALIZED WASTEWATER REGULATION AND STANDARDS MINUTES DRAFT Date: MAY 22, 2013 Time: 11AM – 3 PM Location: Suffolk County Community College Culinary Arts and Hospitality Center 20 East Main Street, Riverhead NY (T of venue: 631 548 3700) Attendees: Edward Barnett (DA), Glynis Berry (PGG), Tom Boekeloo (NYSDEC), Doug Clark (CE), Walter Dawydiak (SCDHS), Sarah Deonarine (NYSDEC), John Donovan (SCDPW), Bob Eichinger (DA), Christine Fetten (SH), Jennifer Garvey (SH), Kate Hale (RVHD intern), Kristina Heinemann (USEPA), Walter Hilbert (SCDHS), Lorraine Holdridge (NYSDEC), George Loomis (URI, tel), Amanda Ludlow (Roux), Nancy Messer (PGG)Sarah Meyland (NYIT), Erin Moore (CE), Julie Nace (PEP)Michael Reichiel (RHD Sewer), Gwynn Schroeder (AK), Frank Russo (HsM), This symposium is presented as part of programs being supported by: Long Island Sound Futures Fund/National Fish and Wildlife Foundation Henry Phillip Kraft Family Memorial Fund at the Long Island Community Foundation Suffolk County Water Quality Protection and Restoration Program Organized by Peconic Green Growth Glynis Berry (PGG) introduced the topic and underlined opportunities: - NYDEC in final stages of developing new version of Standards for Intermediate Sized Wastewater Treatment Systems - Suffolk County is finishing its Comprehensive Water Resources Management Plan - More evidence of human-sourced excess nitrogen loading impacting aquifers and surface water bodies - Suffolk County is working on its Comprehensive Plan - Peconic Green Growth is mapping conditions that contribute to water contamination from onsite wastewater systems County: Walter Dawydiak mentioned that the County expects to let a RFP for a study by the end of the summer that would review technology for onsite systems of less than 1000 gpd suitable for use on Long Island as well as execute planning evaluation tasks. - SCDHS may consider allowing enhanced treatment systems to be installed for onsite purposes before the study is finished to be installed as part of a new pilot program. - One of the issues is staffing for decentralized issues. - While there are three systems currently approved for use on systems sized greater than 1000 gpd, the County is close to approving a few additional systems. Cromaglass has been corrected and is still one of the approved systems. - John Donovan chief engineer for SC supervising public and private sewage treatment plants. Recent studies evaluating new sewer districts found that it is not financially feasible to put sewage treatment plants in smaller neighborhoods. The average cost is $50M per house with a payback period of over 30 years. If community systems could cost below $20,000 per dwelling unit, they would be a viable alternative. The money for sewage treatment comes from ¼% of the ¼% sales tax supporting clean water initiatives (approximately $15-20 million per year). There is a 6/4 deadline for municipalities to apply for grants for sewage treatment plant expansion. - When GB suggested a need to introduce changes to the Sanitary code and guidelines to allow clusters in existing neighborhoods, Walter Hilbert of the SCDHS said there is leeway in the Other than Single Family regulations so that systems could move forward, even if using STEP/G systems. The process could be lengthy though. - When asked if a cluster system were designed compliant with NYSDEC Intermediate Sized Wastewater Treatment Guidelines, would it be likely to be approved in SC. The answer was yes. - Frank Russo H2M spoke about the low pressure sewer system being implemented by Brookhaven in East Patchogue and how they created a “sewer district” with 10 miles of low- pressure sewers. The cost was 1/3 that of traditional sewers. A major cost of systems is the collection/transport of effluent to the treatment plant. - The County will consider the narrow, shallow drain field as referenced by George Loomis (below) EPA - Kristina Heinemann indicated support for cluster systems, as they seem the most realistic cost- wise. - EPA only regulates point-source contamination. At this time single, onsite systems are considered nonpoint systems. The EPA does have a great deal of research and advisory fact sheets available on onsite systems and has a MOU partnership studying various aspects. EPA submitted two documents for consideration of the group: 1. Reference to EPA’s oversight of cesspools as Class V injection wells, part of the Underground Injection Control regulations. Large-scale cesspools (serving 20 people or more) are prohibited and targeted for phase-out. 2. Fact sheet on EPA’s discouragement of the use of seepage pits Erin Moore indicated that EPA has helped fund some cluster systems. Some discussion of the EPA Clean Water Needs Survey occurred. GB mentioned that after rejection for nitrogen mitigation, the recommendation was to incorporate nitrogen mitigation in comprehensive plans, identify and register projects, and compare costs to central sewer districts. The lack of funding for nitrogen mitigation and cluster systems is partially due to the fact that municipalities are not asking for it. Michael Reichel- Suffolk County Sewer System is in favor of cluster systems, especially in areas with difficult siting issues. He spoke about the planned upgrade to the Riverhead sewage plant and their proposal for the reuse of treated effluent for irrigation at the Indian Island Golf Course. The effluent actually has less contamination than the golf course wells, which suffer from salt water intrusion and high iron levels. While the nitrogen levels can be slightly higher than effluent disposed directly to surface waters, he mentioned a need to allow an even higher nitrogen level (seasonal) to meet landscaping needs. If this could be manipulated, less fertilized would be applied on lawns. Amanda Ludlow (Roux) – Experience with natural wastewater treatment systems mostly industrial but will do sanitary as well. Concentrate on phosphorus removal as concern for their upstate clients. Their Kingston system has effluent with only 2mg/liter Westchester County Subcommittee: Edward Barnett and Bob Eichinger suggested looking at what Westchester County is now doing as well as Old Saybrook, CT. There was also discussion about the need for an inspection program. One model trains the haulers, who then need to report to the supervising jurisdiction. This reduces the cost of the program tremendously. They are finding a consistent 10% failure rate. They also suggested a revolving loan program from NYS to fund upgrades. Costs for upgrades could also be linked to mortgages through banks for people’s homes. Communities could also tax themselves and become watershed districts or sewer districts. It was mentioned that municipalities are restricted by law to applying user fees, rather than overall fees that could be applied at chosen sites. GB raised the question whether a town could create a town-wide sewer district that then could apply the funds as needed. (Southold has a town-wide waste water fee, Riverhead has a fee if within a sewer district, even if not connected – (then has connection rate, and water usage fee). Lorraine Heldrich- DEC Law Office- manages TMDLs for LI waters. One issue that was raised was the difference between total pounds of loading and a need to limit this versus the maximum flow rate. WH mentioned that the flow rate was also based on a pound loading of 1.1 #/day per ___ . GB mentioned that once the flow rate is met, most approvals for development assume unlimited increases in density are no longer limited by wastewater issues. Education and dual discussion of flow/loading needs to be evident in guides/standards/regulations. Watershed loading/displacement are issues to be incorporated in solutions. Jennifer Garvey represented the Southampton Supervisor who is interested in LI becoming a center of innovation for the technologies treating sewage. This could be an economic generator. She sees problems with regulations/approvals being a hindrance to this moving forward. George Loomis-(URI – phone link) spoke about communities that are close to the watershed being a priority for enhanced treatment. Pathogen reduction and the phasing-out of cesspools are a very high priority. Cesspools are a turn-of- the-century technology that does a very poor job of treating wastewater. Putting aerators in them is al waste of time and resources. Aged cesspools contribute high BOD’s to groundwater. He also referenced success with shallow narrow drain fields installed after enhanced treatment units, as they can obtain between 30-70% nitrogen reductions as well as 100% phosphorus removal. The study was distributed to participants before the meeting. GL also stressed the need to make the operation and maintenance of cluster systems a point of focus. He also mentioned that if the bar is too high, you sacrifice the good, when dealing with codes/guidelines. GB asked about GL’s experience with human contamination when treated effluent was used for irrigation, as the benefits are in distributing the effluent in the top 8” of soil. GL suggested that actively tilled soil should be avoided, but there is little risk for irrigation of landscaping systems. Site issues/accessibility may also need to be taken into consideration for major drain fields. Doug Clark talked about how we are not meeting the standards of the Clean Water Act, that TMDLs have no teeth; they are voluntary. For the Peconic Estuary the TMDL for nitrogen is too general, doesn’t require/advise on onsite improvements. There needs to be a regulatory fix. Design goals for nitrogen may need to be lowered. 10 mg/l is a maximum, most aim at 4-6 mg/l, and there are efforts to lower this to 2 mg/l (Sarah Meyland). When the latter goal was listed as being too stringent for technology if used at the exit point, it was mentioned that zoning/density limits could be used to obtain the goals. GB also mentioned that there numerable situations that are existing and nonconforming and need to be a focus of upgrades/regulation. Two points of contention were the leaching pits and density allowances for onsite systems. Suffolk County has a waiver to use leaching pits, they are the least favored system for dispersal according state and federal guidance documents. While the County has an MOU and home rule, in theory the County is only supposed to promulgate stricter guidelines. SC defended its use of leaching pits due to soil porosity. GB mentioned that neither the State, nor County regulations consider the impacts of rising groundwater on design effectiveness. Deeper depths to groundwater should be required where rises are expected (MA requires 4 and 5 ft, vs. our 2 to 3 feet). Issues/coordination with water saving devices are also factors for consideration (this is somewhat addressed in the state guidelines). While the need to evaluate/incorporate natural systems was raised, the topic was not discussed. There is a need for regulation as well as incentives, as it is hard to get people to incur the cost voluntarily. The cost needs to be shared by the community as it ultimately benefits all. An inspection program and the phasing out of cesspools were discussed. The scale of the issue regarding cesspools was an issue, as the total cost is unmanageable. Prioritization would be needed. Pilot projects/neighborhoods efforts are necessary to test systems (both single onsite and clusters) and inform new/modified regulations/approval processes. PGG has been mapping conditions contributing to failure on the East End. All were asked to contribute ideas for an action plan. The list received is attached. Gb 130604