HomeMy WebLinkAboutLL-1990 #02THE FOLLOWING LOCAL LAW WAS ADOPTED BY THE SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
ON MARCH 13, 1990:
LOCAL LAW NO. 2 - 1990
A Local Law in Relation to Garbage, Rubbish and Refuse
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
I. Chapter 48 (Garbage, Rubbish and Refuse) of the Code of the Town of
Southold is hereby amended as follows:
1. Section 48-4.B is hereby amended to read as follows:
B. Effective April 1, 1990, in addition to the fees established in
Section 48-4.A of this Chapter, there shall be a fee of two
cents ($0.02) per pound on Io~ds containing the following:
II. This Local Law shall take effect upon its filing with the Secretary of State.
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Local Law No ......... .2. .............. ;of the year 19 .9.0. .......
Aiocallaw In Relation to Garbage, Rubbish and Refuse
(insert title)
Be it enacted by the Town Board .................. o! the
{Name of Legislatix'e Body)
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....... as ~ollows:
Chapter 48 (Garbage, Rubbish and Refuse) of the Code of the Town of
Southold is hereby amended as follows:
1. Section 48-4.B is hereby amended to read as follows:
Effective April 1, 1990, in addition to the fees established in
Section 48-4.A of this Chapter, there shall be a fee of two
cents ($0.02) per pound on loads containing the following:
II. Thi~ Local Law shall take effect upon its filing with the Secretary of State.
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I hereby certify that the local law annexed hereto, designated as local law No .... .2.... of 19.9..0 .....
of th f...S, outb.oJ0 ..... was duly passed by the .. T.o.~ ~ .Board ..........................
(Name of Legislative Body)
on ....M..a..r..c.h....l..3.,. .......... 19.9..0. .... in accordance with the applicable provisions of law.
(Passage by local legislatiYe bod.~ with approval or no disapproval by ElectiYe Chief ExecutiYe Officer,*
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! hereby certify that the local law annexed hereto, designated as local law No... ' ...... of 19 ........
Count>'
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was dub' passed by the .........................................
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not disapproved
and was approved
repassed after disapproval
by the ............................
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and was deemed dui>' adopted on .................................. 19 ......... in accordance with the applicable
provisions of la~.
(Final adoption by referendum.}
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Count3'
of the City of ................ Town
Village
on ............................. 19 ........
was dui>' passed by the .........................................
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no(disapproved
and was approved
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by(he ............................
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' on ......................... ; ........ 19 .......... Such local law was submitted to the people by reason of a
mandatory. . ~eferendum, and received the affirmative vote of a majority of the qualified electors voting
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not disapproved
and was approved
repassed after disapproval
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no valid petition requesting such referendum was filed as of ............................. 19 .........
in accordance with the applicable provisions of law.
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of the City of ................................. having been submitted to referendum pursuant to the
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special.
majority of the qualified electors of such~city'¢'0ting thereon at the general election held on ............
............ 19 ......... became operative.
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I hereby certify that the local law annexed hereto, designated as local law No.. ........ of 19 .........
of the County' of ..................... , State of New York, having been submitted to the Electors at the
General Election of November ............ ,19 ....... pursuant to subdMsions 5 and 7 of section 33 of the
Municipal Home Rule Law, and having received the affirmative vote of a majorit:y of the qualified electors
of the cities of said county as a unit and of a majority of the qualified electors of the towns of said county
considered as a unit voting at said g~neral election, became operative.
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and that the same is a correct transcript therefrom and of thc whole of such original local law, and was
finally adopted in thc manner indicated in paragraph ............. above.
Date: March 13, 1990
L~ererk of the Couq:> i~gislative body, City. To~n or,),~age Clerk or
of hoer designated by local legislative b6~
Judith T. Terry, Town Clerk
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(Certifica £ion to be executed by County Attorney, Corporation Counsel, Town Attorney, Village Attorney or
other authorized Attorney of locality.)
STATE OF NEW YORK
COUNTY OF ..$.U. EEQLK ................
1, the undersigned, hereby certify that the' foregoing loca! law contains the correct text and that all
proper proceedings have been had or taken for the enactmenj, of the 19~al law annexed hereto.
Signature
Matthew G. Kiernan, Assistant Town Attorney
Title
Date:
March 13, 1990
Town
of Southold
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PUBLIC HEARING
SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
February 6, 1990
8:05 P.M.
IN THE MATTER OF A PROPOSED "LOCAL LAW IN RELATION TO GARBAGE,
RUBBISH & REFUSE".
Present:
Supervisor Scott L. Harris
Justice Raymond L. Edwards
Councilman George L. Penny IV
Councilwoman Ruth D. Oliva
Councilwoman Ellen M. Larsen
Councilman Thomas H. Wickham
Town Clerk Judith T. Terry
Assistant Town Attorney Matthew G. Kiernan
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: This public hearing is a "Local Law in Relation to Garbage,
Rubbish & Refuse. At this time, the notice will be read by Councilman Penny.
COUNCILMAN PENNY: "Public Notice is hereby given that there has been pre-
sented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York,
on the 23rd day of January, 1990, a Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in Relation
to Garbage, Rubbish and Refuse". Notice is further given that the Town Board
of the Town of Southold will hold a public hearing on the aforesaid Local Law
at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York on the 6th day of
February, 1990, at 8:05 o'clock P.M., at which time all interested persons will
be heard. This proposed "Local Law in Relation to Garbage, Rubbish and Refuse"
reads as follows:
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
1. Chapter 48 (Garbage, Rubbish and Refuse) of the Code of the Town of
Southold is hereby amended as follows:
1. Section 48-4.B is hereby amended to read as follows:
B. Ef~ctive April 1, 1990, in addition to the fees established
in Section 48-4.A of this Chapter, there shall be a fee of
two cents ($0.02) per pound on loads containing the following:
II. This Local Law shall take effect upon its filing with the Secretary of
State.
Copies of this Local Law are available in the Office of the Town Clerk to any
interested persons during business hours. Dated: January 23, 1990. Judith T.
Terry, Southold Town Clerk." I have an affidavit of publication from the Suffolk
Times, a like affidavit from the Traveler-Watchman, a notice of posting by the
Town Clerk, that this has been posted on the Town Bulletin Board for the
appropriate time. We have the following communication from the Greenport Southold
Chamber of Commerce. "Dear Supervisor & Town Board Member: As you are
aware, the Greenport-Southold Chamber of Commerce has been a proponent of
the concept of economic impact statements. As such, we have submitted proposed
legislation to the Code Committee (modeled after County and State legislation)
requiring that the economic impact of actions taken by the Town be fully evaluated
and disclosed before that action is taken. Understanding that this legislation
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has not been enacted yet, the Board of Directors would, nevertheless, request
answers to the following questions with regard to the proposed doubling of the
landfill fees from $20.00 to $40.00 per ton. What is the rationale/purpose of
doubling the fees? How much revenue is anticipated to be collected? How will
this revenue be used? General Fund? Dedicated? What impact will this fee have
on other taxes? Schools? Property? Special groups? What group or groups
will be directly affected by this fee? What group or groups will be indirectly
affected? e.g. higher prices? What amount of business will be lost due to
doubling the fee? What is the cost of correcting non-compliance? e.g. Result
of illegal dumping? What other sources of revenue are available in lieu of
doubling fees? Additionally, the Board of Directors would like the following
comments noted: In November of 1988 the Chamber of Commerce opposed this
fee, when it was first introduced at the current price. One of the primary
reasons for its' opposition was the belief that in general, Town operations should
not be financed by "user fees" in lieu of taxes. It is unfair for one segment
of the poFulation to along bear the cost of services that benefit the entire town.
The Chamber of Commerce accepts the cencept of "user fees" but only when those
fees are dedic~ed to providing the services for which the fee is paid and not
made part of the general fund. Consideration should be given to a six month
waiting period before this should become effective, so as to not penalize those
who have signed contracts or ourstanding bids with charges fixed at the current
rate. Very truly yours, Richard Caggiano, President, Greenport-Southold
Chamber of Commerce on Behalf of the Board of Directors." There are no further
communications. I would like to add a few editorial comments at this time, as
to the purpose of the Town Board doing this. I don't know that I would hit
upon every point, that is registered by this letter here (tape change) the fact
that our neighboring towns have raised their fees to this exactly, and to prevent
vehicles from indiscriminately crossing the town line, and trying to dispose of
waste in our landfill at a lower fee. This would keep us on an even par with
even towns, so that people would be tempted to do this. They have in past.
I personally followed trucks from Riverhead, who have tried to get into our
landfill, just for the fact that they felt that we were more relaxed than Riverhead
or other towns. How much revenue is anticipated to be collected? About three
quarters of $300,000.00, which is about $225,000.00 That is the amount of money,
that we collected through these fees last year. I would assume that we hopefully
could collect close to that amount. About $225,000.00. Tonight we, also, passed
a resolution hiring an engineering firm for $287,000.00. That's where the money
is going. There's just no question about that. So, is this going to the general
fund? Yes. Is it going to be spent in this area? Yes, absolutely. There's not
enough money in our 1990 Budget to cover the expenses for the consulting fees.
For some reason, our consulting fees have not been as high as they should be
in our budget, and last year it cost us hundreds of thousands of dollars, and
put us a little bit in arrears going into this year. What is the impact on the
taxes? I would say, personally, and I'm only giving you my personal observation
on schools and properties, special districts? None. This is strictly a user fee.
The Town Board has felt by imposing this fee, that they're putting the burden
of this segment of the landfill directly on the users, and nobody else. As a
matter of fact, when we first passed the $20.00 fee, a year ago, some of the
carters, or some of the haulers came up to us and said, we really don't care
what the amount of this fee is, because we're going to pass this on to our
customers. That was the attitude that prevailed. I think that was probably
one of the quietest public hearings, that we ever had, back when we put in the
orginal $20.00 fee. What we have to remember is, that on December 18, 1990,
construction debris will no longer be allowed, according to law, in the Southold
Town landfill. Construction debris will not be accepted in that landfill under
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the law, as it exists right now. Now we are making appeals. We're trying to
get that law extended, but at that point, we will be in the same position that
Southampton, Easthampton, already are. There is no construction debris going
into their landfills. It is being sent into private operations. Without mentioning
any specifically, they're charging anywhere between $25.00 and $45.00 a ton
to process this material. So landfills generally, are doing away with this fee.
Us being a shallow recharge area, we have the landfill space available, and we're
utilizing it up to that date. But after December 1990, this Town Board can not
guarantee as of today's date,that we're going to be able to accept construction
debris in our landfill in the first place. As for some of the other questions?
As to what are the effects of the fee? That's strictly up for speculation, without
going out.. People have the choice right now, they'll..possible, places that would
accept the landfill debris, if they accept it, they maybe cheaper, they may be
more expensive than us. But that's up to the individual to research themselves.
What other sources of revenue are available in lieu of doubling fees? On that,
in fact, will be raising taxes. I've tried to cover a lot of the general comments,
but the Town Board put a lot of thought into this. One of our main concerns
is that we're going to become a dumping area for other areas, because our fees
would be lower. If people can sneak in here, they going to be taking up our
valuable landfill space with a lot of construction debris, and we're trying to
prevent that, also. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Thank you, George. At this time, I'd like to open it
up to the general public to comment on this proposed local law. I'll start my
left. Anybody?
FRANK CARLIN: Frank Carlin. Southold TaxPac. Laurel. One thing in this
town, we have good taxpayers, and I want to explain why. Whenever the Southold
Town Board gets into a financial situtation, in this case it's the landfill, they
always seem to come up with a solution, and that is, no problem, we'll increase
the landfill fees. We'll double them. Double landfill fees to the residents, the
taxpayers, and the garbage companies, who pick up the garbage. No problem,
they pay for it. Now, I pay $11.83 a month for my garbage to be picked up
once a week. You're going to go from $20.00 to $40.00 a ton, and naturally
I can't blame the company for increasing their fees to me. So that means my
garbage is going to go up. In other words, they're going to have pay more
a ton, $40.00 a ton, they're going to send that back to the customer, and increase
mine, my rates. That's normal. I can't blame them for that. Plus I'll be paying
double the amount to take whatever I want to, to the landfill. So no matter how
you look at it, people like me are the ones that are going to have to pay for
it. I thing we're being carried away with too many fees in this town. $15.00
for a yard sale. $15.00 for a permit, a year, for that. Now it's 2 cents a pound
for landfill fee dumping. Two cents a gallon to pump out your cesspool, which
was a ridiculous law to start with. I think it's $3.00 for a shellfish permit.
$2.00 for a landfill permit and beach parking. The building permits have doubled.
You're getting out of hand with this. Where is it going to end? Where will it
end? We hear that, because Riverhead is increasing their fees, we should increase
ours. We don't have to do everything Riverhead does. Supervisor Janoski
decides to climb up on the water tower and jump off, that doesn't mean our
Supervisor has to climb up Greenport's water tower and jump off. If that's the
case, we want to do everything that Riverhead does, then we shouldn't be
charging $15.00 for a yard sale, because they don't charge anything. You can
get as many as you want. It sort of scares you to see what's going to happen
here with only one month into January, and we're already increasing landfill fees.
What's going to happen when we get this plan that we're working on, this so
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called alternate plan, that we had in October, that we don't see yet? What's
going to happen when we really get into operation here that we find a system?
You're going to come back and say, look now, there's more money we need for
the landfill, and as far as controlling the landfill, my God, you go in there, your
registration,the guy don't know you don't belong in Southold Town by your license
plate, he puts you in the computer. There's no problem there, people coming
in from outside. There shouldn't be no problem there. It's right in the computer.
You drive in, you need a sticker permit, the guy puts you in the computer to
see if you're a resident or not. What's the problem with people from Riverhead
sneaking into the landfill? There's no problem there. Shouldn't be. Just getting
out of hand. I don't think it's right. Like I said, people like me, and other
people, we're going to be paying twice. I have one more thing here. Last August,
I went down to the landfill with a load of brush. I got the computerized papers
here. I went in with a gross weight of 4,900 pounds. I come out with a net
weight of 4,500. Fine. It cost me $4.00. I went down an hour later with another
load, same truck, at 10:25, with a gross weight of 4,720 pounds. I went out
with a net weight of 4,520. $2.00. I went down with the same truck, same
configuration, maybe in fact less gas, and yet I'm 20 pounds. What I'm trying
to say here, how are these scales calculated? Are they calculated by the weights
and measures, and they're calculated at the accurate? I could never figure
this out, how I went in with the identical truck, identical situation, configuration,
and I'm 20 pounds difference going out on net. It's minor, but food for thought.
Food for thought, because everytime 20 pounds, 20 cents adds up. I'm not saying
that somethings wrong, but I'm just saying that something don't add up there,
you know. I have to have a computer to add this up. Same configuration, even
I'm three pounds less. I've used a half a gallon of gas. It's three pounds.
I didn't fill up the gas tank. It's the same truck, same everything. I don't
understand that. But like I say, you keep going with these landfill fees, and
this cesspool fee, that's ridiculous thing, that I argued here, the Board with,
making the people pump out their cesspools every two years. It's ridiculous.
You people keep on with that stuff, and you know what's going to happen in
the future? I'll tell you what's going to happen in the future. I'm sorry to
say this. A lot of us senior citizens in this town, are going to call up the Social
Security people, and tell them, send their checks right to the Town Board,
because we're not going to be able to us it. They need it there, to pay for
their bills. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Thank you, Mr. Carlin. Anybody else on my left?
State your name, please.
MERLON WIGGIN: Merlon Wiggin. A couple of thoughts. One is economical,
one is environmental. There's existing contracts, that I know of. l'm sure
there's others I don't, that have already been signed, perhaps related to
affordable housing, as far as construction debris, and I don't know how the Board
could do this, but that would create a hardship on something that you really
want to bring to · especially if the contracts are signed, and the amounts
are already in place. The second thing is, there's always a degree of illegal
dumping, and I'm sure this will tend to promote that, and I think the thought
is how we can control that, or the town control it.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Anybody else on my left? In the center, anyone like
to comment?
JOHN COSTELLO: John Costello, from Greenport. First of all, I'd iust like
to say simply, that I'm opposed to these increases. I'm opposed to it happening
so fast. Number one, I feel as Mr. Carlin feels, that this user fee is sort of
a newly discovered form of taxation, that is being implemented everywhere.
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Increase in taxes is suicidal for politicians. The user fee is being implemented
everywhere, every town throughout the east end of Long Island. I believe it's
a form of taxation. The people it hurts are the young people, that clear lots,
businesses that need revitalization, and this town has many of them, people with
fixed incomes, retirees. These are some of the people it effects, and I can give
you instance, I have several large contracts out, a couple in this town. I've
been to jobs. I hope he doesn't sign the contract. One of them, I allowed for
approximately $10,000.00 fees to go into Southold Town dump. I would hate to
have him sign the contract right now, and me implement that job. I'm just one
small businessman. If it comes to I think this Board should take
into consideration of possibly raising these fee~. Up them $.25, advertise, let
people throughout the Town know. I know that many people aren't here, that
have small businesses. If you advertise, and tell them it's going up 25%, then
going up 50%, you'll have your fees. We all know the cost of living is increasing,
but I'll tell you, a 100% jump on that one job for me in the amount of $10,000.00
would be hard to bear. As a matter of fact, I probably wouldn't want the job.
It would handicap a couple of those businesses, because it's going to cost more.
I think the repercussions will have a trickle down affect to the taxpayers of
Southold, and right now it shouldn't happen. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Yes? State your name for the record, please.
RICHARD CAGGIANO: Richard Caggiano. I'm President of the Greenport-Southold
Chamber of Commerce. I'd like to thank Councilman Penny for responding to
the questions, that we had initiated in the letter, that we had sent, and l'd just
like to repeat that the purpose of the letter was to bring out the fact that the
Chamber has always been in favor of an economic impact study, to release the
types of information that we requested in that letter, so the public is aware of
the types of charges, or fees, or results of those charges and fees would be
made on the public. I do appreciate your response on that, and I just want
to correct one thing, initially you said environment impact studies. Although
we are in favor of that, this particular letter tells of the economic impact study
of it.
COUNCILMAN PENNY: I stand corrected.
RICHARD CAGGIANO: Okay. The second thing is on user fees, generally
the Chamber has no objection to that, but we really do feel that it's essential
that if a person is charged with doing, or partaking of a particular service,
that the fees generated'by that fee dedicated to that particular service. Although
you can lump in the general fund, which generally does happen, and say it's
for such and such, it tends to be the tendency all the time, that maybe shift
it to something else, because another point in time, it may be more important
to fund another activity, rather than the one you originally intended to. I don't
don't know that the ramifications or the procedures of making it possible to dedicate
a particular fund in the way the law is set up. If there's a possibility of doing
that, we would like to see that done, if not can you investigate the possibility
of doing this with a law change, or whatever. Set up some for a dedicated fund
type of activity. The last thing that I'd like to emphasize, is the fact that as
Mr. Costello, and some of the others have said, the point is contractors may
already be in contract, and maybe having to eat this increased fee, because a
signed contract has already been done. We would advocate the possibility of
maybe extended the effective date for this, to a six month period, to allow those
people to not be penalized by the implication of this law. Thank you very much.
I appreciate your time.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Anyone else?
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JOHN DIVELLO: John DeVello. Mattituck Sanitation. I want to first go on
record, that the statement that George made on the fee of $20.00 a ton, the
carters say, we don't care. Whatever it is we'll just pass it on. I didn't make
any statement like that.
COUNCIl_MAN PENNY: John, certainly commercial haulers, and I'm not talking
the garbage peoplet the people that this impacted most, which is the people that
at landfill debris contractors.
JOHN DIVELLO: I'd like to read a statement, if I can, in opposition to this
increase. It is not my general character to correct people. If they want to
do things incorrectly, let them, as long as they pay for their own mistakes, but
the increase in the current tipping fees at this time from $20.00 to $40.00 a ton,
is wrong. The mathamatical reason being Riverhead increased to $40.00, we'll
increase to $40.00. We might as well get that extra money. I never considered
Southold to be a copy cat town. We don't need two Town Boards. We'll do what-
ever Riverhead says. To use the reasoning that it will deter people from bringing
debris accross the line is a fallacy. All it does is penalize everyone for the actions
of a very few. Yes, the increase we have will be passed on, but passed on
to who? Real estate is in a slump, and that energy to build new, or resale to
create alterations, to put the trades to work, is below it's normal lull for this
time of year. We, the local businessman, talk to people, and people are in trouble
financially, and all the increase in tipping fees will do, is add to that financial
burden. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Anybody else in the center?
JOHN DIVELLO:
is that right?
I just want to...April 1st, the $40.00 fee is not for garbage,
COUNCILMAN PENNY: It's never been for garbage.
SLIPERVISOR HARRIS: Please come for forth. State your name for the record.
BOB PFLUGER: Bob Pfluger. B.P. Wreckers, Southold. I just want to ask
one question on the..you're saying on the dump fee and stuff, that demolition
and stuff after December 18 of this year, will be no longer taken in the Town
of Southold. Is that correct?
COUNCILMAN PENNY: As the law stands right now.
BOB PFLLIGER: Same with garbage?
COUNCILMAN PENNY: That is very possible. That's what we're working on
right now.
BOB PFI-UGER: I can't understand, demolition is going to do anymore harm to
the groundwater, than our garbage is. I think garbage is going to do more
harm, than building material. Correct me if I'm wrong, and I don't understand
in the sense of garbage, I Know they, some garbage men and stuff, are saying
they have to increase the tipping fees, and increase their fees to the customers
and stuff, with the increase of the tipping fees. However, they're not being
charged to dump garbage. Any compactor or container sent as garbage to the
dump, is not charged, yet what about...you said you were going to list, you
were going to tell us what was in that thing of different types of material that
can come into the landfill without being charged. I'd like to know what they
are ·
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SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Mr. Pfluger, after the public hearing, the statements
are read into the record, and we close, then we'll be glad to respond to this.
BOB PFLUGER: One thing I don't understand is why you say household garbage
is no charge. I don't understand why something like something like resturants,
or King Kullens, or something like that, to me that's not household garbage.
I think it's commercial stuff, and I think they ought to be charged just like any-
body else. That's my personal opinion. The same with anybody else, that has
garbage and stuff, other than garbage, that goes into a compactor, and doesn't
get charged for it. But if somebody had a business, that didn't have a carter
picking it up, and they brought it in a pickup truck, they would be charged.
I don't feel it's right. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Thank you. Anybody else in the center? Yes?
RONNIE WACKER: I'm Ronnie Wacker. North Fork Environmental Council. I
don't want to say that I favor the increase, because it seems to me, it makes
perfect sense, that if you have a lower rate than your neighboring towns, that
the people from those towns are going to bring over their garbage. It would
be crazy not to. Now, I don't know if the computer can check out those people
who are residents, so that we have a way of determining who is and who isn't,
but if that isn't possible, as Mr. Carlin suggested it was, then I think we should
go ahead with an increased fee. It's just being sensible. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Anybody else in the center?
JOHN DIVE~-LO: My name is John DiVello, Mattituck Sanitation. I'd just like
to say that, Riverhead hired the firm Dvirka and Bartilucci, and they really
didn't do much for that Town. As far as I can see, I mean, they told them what
they already knew~ and I can't see spending the taxpayers' money just for that,
you know..just to have them say what they're bringing in and what's our town
garbage. They didn't tell them something they didn't already know. It came
over the scale. I even went up with them with bringing my haul up. I spent
Saturdays down there. They went through the garbage. I mean, it was really
just..it nothing you don't already know. I can't see raising the fees, because
you're hiring a consultant firm.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Anybody else in the center? Anybody on my right?
WILLIAM PELI_: Another thing that was said tonight, why the raise to help
I asked myself, when you first in January, when you first posted
the hearing for tonight, why so soon? You only passed the budget six weeks
ago. Six weeks after you passed the budget on November 14, eight weeks after
that, already you're to the taxpayers to raise another $300,000.00 . $225,000.00
George corrected tonight. Why in 1990, when the budget was made up, didn't
you anticipate this and put in the budget? Why give us a fee at this time? 1
picked up Newsday, and I'll quote from Newsday. The proposed increase in
commercial dumping fees, which would raise about $300,000.00 a year, would increase
the cost of dumping garbage in Southold to $40.00 a ton from $20.00. Town
officials said their rates are currently lower than other townships. I~nd of quote.
Aren't you proud of that? Aren't you proud, if I were you people sitting up
there, that we can operate our dump at a lesser fee than the neighboring towns
do? George and you people congratulate yourself. It goes on, back to Paul,
again, and about the increase is designed to keep out of town carters from using
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the Town landfill to save money. We have scales up there. We have computers
up there. We have people at the gate. Can't they do their job? Why must we
have another fee on the people of this Town, because the people up there perhaps
need guidance from the Board to keep people from out of town dumping garbage
in our dump? Also, I'd like to go back to another vote from Supervisor Harris,
the town to control the problem, will require immediate action, he said. He has
met with several private recycling firms, who are interested in handling the Town
plastic materials, paper, construction, demolition and landclearing debris. Are
any of those firms interested in coming out here, and taking it? I ask you,
when you have time, to respond to that. George said tonight, that it won't
effect special tippers, such as schools. Schools go to the dump. I served on
the Greenport School Board for ten years. We've remodeled classrooms up there,
changed partitions around. Yes, we did take construction debris to the landfill.
It will affect the schood district. That is not household garbage, that comes
from the classrooms. $287,000.00 of contracts authorized tonight, with D & B,
consultants. That's fine, but we have to pay for it. It should have been in
the Budget. If it wasn't, perhaps somebody was lax, but now we've got to pay
for it. But why make a statement of people in town, that D & B is working for
the entire township, everybody. Why put it on people like Mr. Costello, the
carters in town, the landfill people in town. They're working for everybody.
Let the town charge, not a select group charge. Thirty-seven dayst this new
Board. In January, we got hit with a $60,000.00 bond to repair the Police
Station. ~onight you have in there to raise $200,000.00, $300,000.00. I ask
you,January the bond, February the land fee, what are you going to do to us
in March? I find it kind of difficult to realize that we're in this tough shape,
the Town for money. I brought you an article out of Suffolk Life. 11/25/89.
Mr. Penny claimed there was several places in the budget, that could have been
reduced, total spending, a half a million dollars. We have a half a million dollars
Mr. Penny feels in excess of the budget that was passed. He voted against itt
him and Judge Edwards. He still feels that a half of million is there, at this
time. Why do we need this increase now? I find it hard to comprehend at this
early stage in the 1990 budget, that we are in such dire physical shape that
we have to go to a new user fee. Basically, the man in the White House says
no new taxes. Remember, he said, read my lips? I guess we're trying to ask
you nice. Read our lips. No more budget increase, please.
SUPERVISOR HARRIS: Is there anyone else, who would like to address the
Town Board? (No response.) At this time, I'd like to close this public hearing.
Judith T. Terry
Southold Town Clerl~
~ 'L~O~ICE
NOTICE OF
PUBLIC HEARING
ON LocAL LAW
pUBLIC NOTICE is hereby
given that there has been pre-
sented to thc Town Board of the
Town of Southold, Suffolk
County, New york, on the 23rd
day of ]anua~], 1990, a Local Law
entitled, "A Local Law I n
Relntion to Garbage, Rub-
bish mild Refuse".
NOTICE IS FURTItER GIVEN
that the Town Board of the Town
of Southrdd will hold a public
hearing on the aforesaid Local
Law at the Southold Town Hall,
Main Road, Southold, New York
on the 6th day of Februmry,
1990, at 8:05 o'clock
P.M., at which 6me all interested
persons will be heard.
This proposed ~Local Law in
Relation to Garbage, Rubbish and
Refuse" reads as follows:
BE IT ENACTED by the Town
Board of the Town of Southold as
follows:
I. Chapter 48 (Garbage, Rubbish
and Refuse) of the Cede of the
Town of Southold is hereby
amended as foEows:
1. Section 48-4.B is hereby
amended to read as foUows:
B. Effective April 1, 1990,
in addition to the fees
established in Section 48-
4. A of this Chapter, there
shall be a fee of two cents
($0.02) per pound on
loads containing the
following:
II. T~is Local Law shall take cf-
feet upon its filing with the
Copies of this Local. Law are
DATED: January 23, 1990..
sOUTttOLD TOWN CLERK.
STATE OF NEW YORK)
) SS:
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK)
Patricia Heaney of Mattituck, in
said County, being duly sworn, says that he/she is Principal
Clerk of THE SUFFOLK TIMES, a Weekly Newspaper,
published at Mattituck, in the Town of Southold, County of
Suffolk and State of New York, and that the Notice of which
the annexed is a printed copy, has been regularly published in
said Newspaper once ea~Ch week for 1 weeks
successively, commencing on the __] st __ day of
February 1~0
Principal Clerk
COUNTY OF SUFFOLK
ss:
STATE OF NEW YORK
NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEAR-
ING ON LOCAL LAW
PUBLIC NOTICE is ber~by
given that there has been
presented to the Town Board of
the Town of Southoid, Suffolk
County, New York, on the 23rd
day of January, 1990, a Local
Law entitled, "A ~ ~ ia
Relation ~ Garbage, Rubbish
and Refuse."
NOTICE IS FURTHER
GIVEN that the Town Board of
the Town of Southold will hold
a puMie h~ on the aforesaid
Local Law at the Southold Town
Hall, Main Road, Southold, '
New York on the 6th day of
February, 1990, at 8.'~ o'clock
P.M., at which time all interested
persons will be heard.
Tins proposed "Local Law in
Relation to Garbage, Rubbish
and Refuse" reads as follows:
BE IT ENACTED by the
Town Board of the Town of
Southold as follows:
I. Chapter 48 (Garbage, Rub-
bish and Refuse) of the Code of
the Town of Southold is hereby
amended as follows:
I. Section 48-4.B is hereby
amended to read as follows:
B. Effective April 1, 1990, in
.addition to the fees established
m Section 48-4.A of this
Chapter, there shall be a fee of
two cents ($0.02) per pound on
loads containing the following:
II. This Local Law shall take ef-
fect upon its filing with the'
Secretary of State.
Copies of this Local Law are
available in the Office of the
Town Clerk to any interested
persons during business hours.
DATED: January 23, 1990.
JUDITH T. TERRY
SOUTHOLD TOWN CLERK
lX-2/l/9O(lO)
Patricia Wood, being duly sworn, says that she is the
Editor, of THE LONG ISLAND TRAVELER-WATCHMAN,
a public newspaper printed at Southold, in Suffolk County~
and that the notice of which the annexed is a printed copy,
has been published in said Long Island Traveler-Watchman
once each week for ........... / weeks
successively, commencing on the
da " '~/
Sworn to before me this
..................... day of
........... · .~.' .~-'~.~'-/., 19
Notary Public ,~ .~ A t,'~ A SCHNEIDER
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