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HomeMy WebLinkAboutTR-11/20/2001A~bert ~. Krupski, President James King, Vice-President Henry Smith Artie Foster Ken Poliwoda Town Hall 53095 Route 25 P.O. Box 1179 Southold, New Yqrk 11971-0959 Telephone (631) 765-1892 Fax (631) 765-1366 BOARD OF TOWN TRUSTEES TOWN OF SOUTHOLD MINUTES November 20, 2001 PRESENT WERE: Albert J. Krupski, Jr. President Jim King, Vice President Hem'y Smith, Trustee Artie Foster, Trustee Ken Poliwoda, Trustee Peggy Dickerson (Guest) Charlotte Cunn/ngham, Clerk CALL MEETING TO ORDER PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE NEXT FIELD INSPECTION: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 at 8:00 a.m. TRUSTEE KING moved to Approve. TRUSTEE POLIWODA seconded. ALL AYES NEXT TRUSTEE MEEING: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 at 7:00 p.m. WORKSESSION: 6:00 p.m. TRUSTEE KING moved to Approve. TRUSTEE FOSTER seconded. ALL AYES. APPROVE MINUTES: Approve Minutes of September 19th, 2001 TRUSTEE SMITH moved to Approve. TRUSTEE POLIWODA seconded. ALL AYES MONTHLY REPORT: The Trustees monthly report for October 2001: A check for $4,831.06 was forwarded to the Supervisor's Office for the General Fund. PUBLIC NOTICES: Public Notices are posted on the Town Clerk's Bulletin Board for review. III. AMENDMENT/WAIVER/CHANGES: LOUIS O. GIGLIOLI request an Amendment to Permit #1558 to replace steel poles supporting the floating dock with permanent wooden poles in kind/in place. Located: 1275 Bungalow Lane Mattituck, NY SCTM#123-3-17 TRUSTEE KING moved to Approve. TRUSTEE FOSTER seconded. ALL AYES. Eh-Consultants, Inc. on behalfofWUNNEWETA POND ASSOCIATION ONE YEAR EXTNESION TO PERMIT 4994 EXPIRES ON 22 JANUARY 2002. Located: Bridge Lane, Cutchogue, NY SCTM#118-1-11 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to Approve. TRUSTEE POLIWODA seconded. ALL AYES. MICHAEL CORDASCI request a One Year Extension to Permit #5087 dated 12/2/99 Located: 435 Private Road off Soundview Avenue, Southold, NY SCTM#59-9-4.2 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to Table for next month requesting, "As built" Survey before approving one-year extension, e HENRY H. KARLIN. change of name Permit #1275 & 1276 on 12/22/77 to Henry H. Karlin from his name to the name of ROBERT LANDHERR for a dock and bulkhead. Located: 245 Lighthouse Lane Southold, NY SCTM#7-6-28 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI; moved to Approve the permit that was permitted. TRUSTEE SMITH seconded. ALL AYES. WILLIAM & ELIZABETH SMITH request a One Year Extension to Permit #5100 dated January 26, 2001. Located: 10605 Soundview Avenue, Southold SCTM#54-5- 37.3 TRUSTEE SMITH moved to Approve. TRUSTEE FOSTER seconded. ALL AYES. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI moved to go off the Regular Meeting and go onto the Public Hearings TRUSTEE POLIWOD,4 seconded. ALL A YES. IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS: THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE MATTER OF THE FOLLOWING APPLICATIONS FOR PERMITS UNDER THE WETLANDS ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD. I HAVE AN AFFIDAVIT OF PUBLICATION FROM THE SUFFOLK TIMES. PERTINENT CORRESPONDENCE MAY BE READ PRIOR TO ASKING FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS ORGANIZED AND BRYI~.F FIVE (5) MINUES OR LESS IS POSSIBLE. BUDD'S POND MARINA D/B/A ALBERTSON MARINE request a Wetland Permit to enclose an open culvent on property between two lots running north from Main Road approximately 190' Located: Route 25, Southold, NY SCTM#56-03-15 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI; Would anyone like to speak in favor or against the application? Does the Board have any comments? TRUSTEE KING: I have one question? I am not familiar with that area Are there any wetlands to the north. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I thought it went right to the railroad tracks. BILL WITZLE: Bill Witzle from Albertson Marine the question was is there any wetlands? TRUSTEE KING: In land further, I just had a question. Someone called and said that them was a bull dozer bull dozing phragmites. I just questioned what was going on. Because we did not look at this. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We did not stop that day. Does that property go level all the way. BILL WlTZLE: All the way to the Long Island Railroad. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Does it drop off by the railroad. BILL W1TZLE: No. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there a pipe coming under the railroad tracks. BILL WlTZLE: Yes, that is due east of that property. It actually goes behind our storage shed. Approximately 100 to 250 feet due east and then it goes under the railroad track and then drains all those woods. - north of the tracks it clears vector control over there. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We do not have a problem approving this and I would rather approve it tonight. But we really need a cross section showing the pipe and the fill level and elevations of the pipe. Because we just want to have assurances that it will still continue to drain. But we can approve it tonight, subject to getting those plans. Give us those plans. Any other comments? TRUSTEE SMITH: No TRUSTEE POL1WODA: No. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there a Motion to close the hearing.. TRUSTEE SMITH: Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES TRUSTTE SMITH: I make a Motion that we Approve the application of ALBERTSON MARINE with the placement of a Engineer's drawing of the project. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES. PECONIC DESIGN & CONSTRUCTION INC. request a Wetland Permit for construction of a single family home. Located: 57908 Main Road, Southold, NY 66-2-2.2 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would anyone like to speak in favor or against the application? CATHERINE MESIANO: Catherine Mesiano on behalf of the applicant. Based upon your field inspection last week. The applicant has had the survey revised as required. There will be haybales at the 50 foot set back on the flagged wetlands. The wetlands were flagged at the time of your inspection. We showed the distance from the wetlands to the nearest Comer of the post structure which is 68 feet, I think thru was all of the items that you wanted. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I will read the CAC comments while we take a look at this. The CAC recommended Disapproval because the 100' reference from the high water mark is not correct but I th'mk that we corrected that. The upper marsh delineations is not identified which we identified it. The wetlands should be flagged which they were. Violation should be issued for the cleating that has has taken place. The applications should not be addressed until the violation is satisfied. But I think that we addressed those things in the field in the survey. The CAC did not have the benefit of looking at it. The survey kind of clears it up It shows the wetlands. There is also a letter from Patricia Curcuru "I am concerned as to whether development of this property with numerous septic systems required will impact my well water on the adjacent property. I am sure this has been taken into consideration but wanted to express my concern in this regard' - signed Patricia Curcuru, CATHERINE MESIANO: I th'ink these lots are in excess of two acres, which addresses that issue. There is public water which is available to the site, so if there is a neighboring property. There would be public water available to that. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is a brand new survey, what is the scale on this? CATHERINE MESIANO: It is a sixty scale. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you - So then the nearest point between the neighbors property would be over 100 feet. It is 100 feet from the property line. I do not know if they have Health Department approval? CATHERINE MESIANO: Yes, they do. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The well should not affect the neighbors. CATHERINE MESIANO: The septic system will not have any affect. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comments? Board comments? TRUSTEE SMITH: Make a Motion to close the public hearing. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES TRUSTEE SMITH: I make a Motion that we Approve the application o~ PECONIC DESIGN & CONSTRUCTION, INC. for construction of a single family home with gutters and drywells on the entire structure driveway shall be pervious, house and driveway completely out of buffer area. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALLAYES. With the condition that there be gutters and drywells on the whole structure. It has to be on the permit. TRUSTEE SMITH: Driveway should be pervious. CATHERINE MESIANO: Since that had not been a topic of discussion between myself and the applicant. If they had any plans to put a paved driveway in. Would you want to perhaps put a stipulation in that if it would be paved that high roads would be installed to contain run-off in the general area. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: They would have to show proper drainage. They would have to come m at this point for an Amendment to show that. CATHERINE MESIANO: If they want a paved driveway they will have to come back for an Amendment. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Because at this point the driveway is at the fifty foot buffer line. CATHERINE MESIANO Yes I see that. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Actually, now that I am looking at. The driveway extends - the hay bale line extends into the driveway. CATHERINE MESIANO Yes you are right. We are going to address that because it is not a matter of moving the driveway. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Move the house east. There will be plenty of room. CATHERINE MESIANO: That would be my suggestion. They are going to shift the house to the East. Or put the garage on the other side of the house. So we are going to have to clear the hay bales with the driveway whether it ~s shifting the whole house to the East. Or putting the garage on the other side of house. TRUSTEE POL1WODA: Or narrow the driveway. CATHERINE MESIANO: You would not have a mm around. You need a larger area than that to back out of the garage and turn. TRUSTEE SMITH: Just move the house over a little. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: They will have to decide. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I will make a Motion to rescind the approval. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES We will make a Motion granting a Conditional Approval showing the house and driveway completely out of the buffer area. They can move the house or they can flip the garage. CATHERINE MESIANO: We will give you a copy of that. TRUSTEE SMITH: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES CATHERINE MESIANO: Thank you. EDWARD & CAROL BEAUGARD request a Wetland Permit for a one stow addition/living room and dining room. Located: 830 Tarpon Drive, Southold, NY SCTM#57-01-09 TRUSTEE K_RUPSKI: Is there anyone who like to speak in favor of or against the application? EDWARD BEAUGARD: I am Edward Beaugard, I am here to answer any questions. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Who's inspection was this? TRUSTEE FOSTER: No problem. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You have none. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Everything is fine. It is totally landward of the house and pitches down towards the road. No impact at all. TRUSTEE RKUPLSKI: CAC recommends approval with the condition of a ten foot non-turf buffer next to the bulkhead. That is something that we would only require if you are doing work on the bulkhead and that area was disturbed. But we will get into that when you do work on your bulkhead. We will not require it. But, we will require I do not know if you have drywells and gutters on the house. EDWARD BEAUGARD: I do not believe so. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is something that we will require. The drywells and gutters. EDWARD BEAUGARD: Ifwe have to. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well you have to have gutters put on. Is there any other comment? Do I have a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI All in favor. ALL AYES. Artie, do you want to make a motion. TRUSTEE FOSTER: I will make a Motion to Approve the request for a Wetland Permit for one story addition living room/dining room for EDWARD& CAROL BEAUGARD located 830 Tarpon Drive, Southold with the condition that there be gutters and drywells for roof-run-off. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES BENJAMIN F. McCABE request a Wetland Permit for replacing existing entrance porch in kind/in place replace windows, roof, cedar shakes. Located: 630 Ruch Lane, Southold, NY SCTM#52-02-26 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone who would hke to speak in favor or against the application ? Artie any comments. TRUSTEE FOSTER: This is fine. Everything is fine. The only thing that I did notice is that there is what would appear to be a cesspool right out at the top of the bluff. I might suggest that it be relocated landward of the house. There is already an existing cesspool landward of the house. So I would recommend that the one on the top of the bhiffbe abandoned I was unable to get the cover offso I was unable to look into it. But I believe to be a cesspool. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any other comments? Do I have a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE FOSTER: I make that Motion. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Ail in favor. ALL AYES TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Artie can you make that Motion. TRUSTEE FOSTER: I make a Motion to grant the request for BENJAMIN McCABE for a Wetland Permit for replacing existing entrance porch in kind/in place - windows, roof, cedar shakes at 630 Ruch Lane with the condition that the septic tank or cesspool whatever at the top of the bluff be relocated to the street side of the house. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES ACHILLES & MARION STACHTIARIS request a Wetland Permit for a 3 foot wide by 5 foot long ramp for jet ski. Located. 310 Carole Road, Southold, NY SCTM#52-2-8 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone who would like to comment in favor of or against the application. MARION STACHIIARIS: Actually it is more than five feet. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think it is 42 feet. That is what the plan shows. The plan that was submitted shows 42 feet. Are you the applicant? MARION STACHTIARIS: Yes, TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any other comment on this. Before the Board makes a comment. The CAC recommends Disapproval of the application. TRUSTEE SMITH: For what reason. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: They do not say TRUSTEE SMITH: In the future when the CAC recommends a disapproval I think you should have them mention why. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Normally they do. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It shows three feet wide, by 42 feet long. Which I think is what we saw in the field. I do not think the Board had a problem with it as a structure environmentally. The problem that we had was that the whole beach lacked vegetation. Which protects the beach. MARION STACHTIARIS: Beach lacks what? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Vegetation, if you look to either side the beaches are vegetated with Spartina. The Board felt that if the property would be protected and the marsh should be restored in front of the property. MARION STACHTIARIS: It has always been like that, since I bought it in 1971. I have never had vegetation in front. Never. It has always been that way. Maybe it is because I collect everything on the pond. When the storms from the winter. There never has been vegetation there. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What is your recommendation there? TRUSTEE POL1WODA: Do you have a height on that drawing. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Our recommendation that was that for an approval for this. That we would like to see some re-vegetation with Spartina Altemoflora along the front edge. To try to protect the property. MARION STACHTIARIS: I do not get vegetation there. Because of the storms, nothing grows there. It has never grown there. The vegetation that is there now I think was planted was started, I cannot remember her name. But I have never had that property vegetated. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But that would not only benefit the environment it would also benefit you. It would give you some storm protection as well. MARION STACHTIARIS: I would have to plant this? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is right. MARION STACHTIARIS: In order to have vegetation there. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You buy plugs. You plant it right in the beach and it would spread out. You would not plant the whole beach up. You would plant it every 18 inches. MARION STACHTIARIS: But, why would you disapprove it because there is no grass them. Why should I have to put grass there. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The CAC which is the Southold Town Conservation Advisory Counsel. Which is a separate entity from us. They have to comment on all these applications. On this specific application they recommend disapproval. Unfortunately they did not specify why. MARION STACHTIARIS: There never has been vegetation there. So I do not see why I should be reqmred to plant this now. I have had the house since 1971. Which is quite long time and nothing has grown there. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It should with a minimum of effort it should be able to plant some. Planting wetland vegetation you make a hole with a stick. And you pm itin. MARION STACHTIARIS: But I have never had to do this. So I do not know if that is where they pull up their boats when they are scalloping or what they are doing TRUSTEE POLIWODA: That is Town bottom. Instead of putting the burden on planting that up with Spartina on the applicant. Maybe you can speak to Chris Pickerall at Cornell. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Does she have any objections to that. MARION STACHTIARIS: What was that. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Have maybe Cornell Cooperative Extension would have a trial there. As far as plantings. Let them do a sample planting there. Try to re- establish the marsh greens. The marsh greens is very important to the whole creek, MARION STACHTIARIS: Bur I have been there thirty years and there never has been marsh there. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Maybe it needs a little help. MARION STACHTIARIS: No, the Peaaters on the other side of me it used to be quite a distance away from the Farbers on the other side of him. Has grown about to that point and that is all that it has grown. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would you have any objections to us using that as a test planting. To see if we can establish a marsh in front. MARION STACHTIARIS: I have no objections as long as I can have a ski ramp. I need to pull the ski up and I did not want to damage the beach, because it is very heavy and left intendation there and the tide came. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It was our feeling that having that ramp would do less damage than having it just drag up. MARION STACHTIARIS: Excuse me. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That was our feeling that the ramp would do less damage than hqaving it dragged onto the beach. MARION STACHTIARIS: That is why I put it up. Because of the damage to the beach and I have been there thirty years and I do not want to damage it. Further more it cost me a fortunate every year to clean up all the mess in the whole pond. I get all there steps, their wharfs, fisherman's nets I get everything there. Every year it is two or three hundred dollars to have two or three trucks take it away. I think that is why there is no grass there and never has been. That is where the tide comes and washes everything into me. Nothing is on either side of me. All the trash is on my beach. So I have to have it cleaned every year. That is why never will take these plantings because the trash is done through the water. It takes days to take it away With truckloads. I do not think that you Will ever get grass there. It is at that point where the tide comes. If you are going to get aboat, if you are going to get steps there, you get wharfs there. All ofthejunk of the pond. Nothing is going to grow there. It is just a beach - opened beach -and the only one around the pond. Exactly What happens. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: That is why it is a good idea to try. MARION STACHTIARIS: You can try it. I do not really care if you want to try it.but I do not think it Will take because that is where all the trash comes down. It doesn't come up to the bulkhead it comes right to the line where the water is at low tide. I have to rake it all out -I don't- I hire somebody to do it. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Maybe that is what the problem. You areraking up the grass every year while they are cleaning. MARION STACHTIARIS; There never has been grass there, in the thirty years. There never been grass there and there was non prior to that. TRUSTE POLIWODA: Let us move on. The only comments about the construction specs of the project I recommend no more than four by four inch posts and 42 feet and have the posts separated by at least 8 feet. To have four by four every eight feet that will less impact on. MARION STACHTIARIS: What do I have now? ATRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is a good point. TRUSTEE POL1WODA It probably is something like that. I do not want to see anyone come in and put two jetties as a groin. A groin type of structure I want to see spaces use four by four to minimize impact. TRUSTEE SMTIH: Basically what you have there now, TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It i/similar- very similar. TRUSTEE SMITH: Not a solid structure. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You say you cannot put underneath it. Underneath the rails - you cannot put solid sheeting. We know you do not know, but the why the permit is going to be written You will not be able to put or anyone else - you willl not be able to put solid sheathing because that would block the flow of sand and water and material underneath them. Then it would affect the shoreline. Do I have a motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved. TRUSTEE RKUPSPI: All in favor. ALL AYES. Ken do you want to make a Motion. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I will make a Motion to Approve the Wetland Permit for ACHILLES & MARION STACHTIARIS for a 3 foot wide by 5 foot ramp for jet ski. Located: 310 Carole Road, Southold with the stipulation that the ramp be constructed of four by four inch posts separated by at least 8 feet and the rails that support the jet ski be no greater than four inch by 4 inch. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It actually is 42 feet long. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It is actually 3 feet by 42 feet long. TRUSTEE KRUPSLI: Is there a second. TRUSTEE SMITH: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI:: All in favor. ALL AYES MARION STACHTIARIS: Are you going to write down what I am going to have to do. You do not like what I have now. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It will be on the permit. TRUSTEE FOSTER: You can keep what you have. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You can keep what you have it just cannot be changed. MARION STACHTIARIS: That is fine. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That was the important part because now everything can flow underneath it. It does not affect the environment that much. But we do not want to see it changed so that we can make some simple changes then that would have an affect. TRUSTEE KING: You do not want to land an air craft carrier. TRUSTEE RKUPSKI: We want it to stay the same. We do not want it to be altered. MARION STACHTIARIS: Thank you. JOANB. LACAILLE request a Wetland Permit for a low structure to protect wetland grasses fi:om further erosion, construction of one foot high reta'ming wall, approximately 60 linear ft. on north-west side of catwalk, and approximately 30 linear ft. retaining wall 1.5 high north east of catwalk. Located: 1255 Waterview Drive, Southold, NY SCTM#78-7-17 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone who would like to speak in favor of the application. JOAN LACAII,LE: The primary reason that I bought this house and built it in 1986 because it had beautiful wetland grasses and my ma'm concern I understand your concern with environmental things and it certainly is mine. But the storms have been tremendous and I am loosing literally chunks of pieces of the beach. I think that if you had seen it at low tide and not at high tide and you would have seen a radically difference. My concern is that Mr. Krupski mentioned planting with what? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Spartina Alterniflora. JOAN LACAII,LE: The thing is that I have spoken to several landscape people and the problem with that. Is my creek are filled with geese and swans. So that 10 before it even takes root? They will pull it out and eat it. So my problem is I am very concerned with the environment. As you can see the property is very natural but very concerned about fmding out what to do and how I can protect it. My project is so very minor I cannot understand how it really would affect the tidal waters. TRUSTEE KRLrPSKI: Actually it would. That is why we were concerned when we looked at the site last week. That any kind of hard structure you place especially if you say you are experiencing erosion. That any hard structure you place there is going to have a negative effect on the whole area directly in front of you. Probably adjacent to you. JOAN LACAILLE: It is very shallow. It is not in front of it now. It now has a beach. But there is no deep water there. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That has been our experience that any hard structure is not going to. JOAN LACAILLE: If the grass does not do it. I cannot have the hard structure what can I have? (Tape change) TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I would not touch the marsh and wetlands in your position. You might cause more damage. JOAN LACAILLE: So with sheathing where can I put the sheathing? TRUSTEE POLIWODA: In your lawn. JOAN LACAILLE: In the lawn. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is not going to do any good. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: It will not have any affect on it. JOAN LACAILLE: I would like to have something that would have a little effect. TRUSTEE SMITH: I think you should try (cannot understand) JOAN LACAII,LE: Even though I have been advised that I have problems ~vith the geese and swans. TRUSTEE SMITH: I suggest that you plant grass. JOAN LACAII,LE: Isn't there anything else that I could put there that would prevent the erosion. TRUSTEE SMITH: Grass is the best thing TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: A hard structure is a. The Town Historian just gave me a book this week "Against the Tide" it is about harding structures on the shoreline and the effects of what they have over the short and long term. From what we have seen as our years on the Board. It causes more ora problem than it solves. JOAN LACAII,LE: What would happen if you put something a foot back from the low water mark. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It would still have an affect because in a storm event that is what is is going to hit and where it is going to direct its energy to that area. Then it becomes more of a problem. You would probably excelerate the erosion of your property with that. JOAN LACAIIJLE: So your only suggestion is grass and feed the swans right. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Feed the swans to your neighbor TRUSTEE KING: Just put a single row of stones, which may stop the grass from falling in. I do not think that you have that much erosion. 11 ELIZABETH SCHLOSS: I am Elizabeth Schloss and I have lived in Southold for a long while. My family has lived here since 1920 1 would like to speak on behalf of Mrs. LaCaille. She called the Comell people this afternoon. Chris Pickerall came down and looked at that area. He understands what the Conservation Advisory_ people are talking about but he has suggested that maybe putting something in front of the grass that would look like a snow fence a short snow fence. She has had a terrible problem when storms come. There is salt-water intrusion and she had to pump out the fuel tank and all other kind of things. Both Joan and I are Southold widows and want to live here and enjoy the very beautiful town and that is why we are here in the firsl place. So if you can give Joan some direction as to how she can handle this. I am sure that she would be more than interested. She is very willing to work with the Comell people and if they could come down and give her a hand. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: There is something Jim just mentioned. It is a row of coconut matting maybe could be placed along that edge to stabilize the edge and still be of a soft surface. It would not affect the wave energy. ELIZABETH SCHLOSS: Bales of hay would that have any effect on the grass? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: A tarp would just break. I think would disintegrate. I think if we could have some people here that would have some suggestions about. I could ask these gentlemen to offer any suggestions that they may have. CHUCK BOWMAN: I think that the geese are out of there in the spring and do it fight. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I do not know if she can hear you. JOAN LACALLE: Would you be so kind as to tell me what goose fencing is? CHUCK BOWMAN: It keeps the geese out from eating the plants. JOAN LACA1LLE: It is permanent? CHUCK BOWMAN: No not at all - the first growing season (cannot understand) if it does not work. JOAN LACAILLE: Thank you very much. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Can we just table your application. So you can work up a plan for planting and fencing. JOAN LACAILLE: Yes TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is something that we can approve and I think that we will be happy with. You can work with Chris Pickerall or however.. JOAN LACAILLE: If you can suggest anybody I would be delighted. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well we cannot really. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Your neighbors would appreciate a chicken wire or some type that would not be noticeable like a big snow fence on the creek. ELIZABETH SCHLOSS: Her neighbors are really sweet. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I will make a Motion to table the application. TRUSTEE SMTIH: So moved. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES. 12 En-Consultants, Inc. on behalf of DONNA FRAGOLA requests a Wetland Permit to construct a two story, one family dwelhng with attached garage and porch; install a pervious driveway, sanitary system, drywells, and public water service, and establish a 50' non-disturbance/non-fertilization buffer adjacent to the apparent high water line/tidal wetland boundary, construct approximately 125 linear feet of vinyl/plastic retaining wall with a 10' northwesterly return and backfill with approximately 50 cubic yards of clean sand to be trucked in from an upland source (southerly terminus of proposed structure to be fled into adjacent retaining wall, consisting of a 4'x17' fixed timber catwalk 4'x14' hinged ramp; and 6'x20' float secured by (2) 8" diameter pilings, all as depicted on the project plan. Located: 1145 Gull Pond Lane, Greenport, NY SCTM#35-4-8 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone would like to speak in favor of the application. ROB HERRMANN: Rob Herrmann of Eh-Consultants on behalf of the applicant, DONNA FRAGOLA, as the Board no doubt recalls this project description and the project design was substantially modified during our on site meeting with the DEC in October and during the last month public hearing. We discussed the fact that the Board would await three things. A revised plan from our office depicting what we had discussed during that meeting. As well as authorization letters from both neighbors. The authorization through Helen Rutkowski was reqnired because where we had designed the dock to be located would be less than 15 feet from her property line. We also need an authorization from the Sobieski because the retaining wall was proposed to be attached to their bulkhead. So what I have just handed up to Charlotte are three copies of that revised project plan along with both letter of authorization. So that should be all that the Board was waiting for since last month. If you have any questions specifically about the plan or any thing else I believe that we covered this pretty exhaustedly, but if you think that there are any outstanding issue, I will certainly address it. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any other comments. For or against the application? ROB H~ERRMANN: I also have Al. which I realized I needed to do. I was reading the agenda. I hand wrote the project description that coincides with this plan and refers to it pacifically. So I can also just pass this up to Charlotte. As it is a bit different. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Looks like what was discussed. Any comments or question? TRUSTEE SMTIH: I have no problem with it. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Should show the buffer area on the plans. ROB HERRMANN: You are right. TRUSTEE KING: The non-disturbance area should be on the plan ROB HERRMANN: You are right I can just add that. TRUSTEE KING: Put that proposed driveway. ROB HERRMANN: A path to the dock. TRUSTEE KING: Go along on the one drawing. ROB HERRMANN: I will not change the date, I just add the buffer with the path through it and I will submit that by mail to your office. 13 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a Motion to close the heating? TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPKSI; All in favor. ALL AYES Would someone like to make a Motion? TRUSTEE SMITH: I will make a Motion to approve Eh-Consultants on behalf of DONNA FRAGOLA. TRUSTEE KING: With new plans to come in showing the undisturbed area to the driveway to the South. - Path South of driveway. TRUSTEE SMITH: Drywells and gutters. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It shows that. All in favor. ALL AYES ROB HERRMAN: Thank you - all of you- for taking the time on this one. It was deeply appreciated it was a big help. TRUSTEE KING: It was good getting together is good like that. It simplifies it. ROB HERRMANN: Thanks again. Patricia Moore, Esq. on behalf of EDWARD WERTHNER request a Wetland Permit to construct a single family residence 61 feet to bulkhead and 60 feet to MHWL (partially bulkhead property) sanitary system 108 feet to bulkhead (outside jurisdiction) Located: Windy Point Lane, (180-Private Road) Southold SCTM#78- 6-2&3 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone who would like to speak on behalf of the application? PATRICIA MOORE: Yes. Thank you. Unfortunately, I missed you at the property. I drove over there for about an hour and halfI waited for you. We had the property all staked out. As where the location of the house and the sanitary s~tem. Prior to you starting this hearing a few of the neighbors came forward and they are here this evening. They had concerns with regard to existing wells that they have that they are in the process of. One of them has public water but one is going to try to continue to use the well. I do not know what the Health Department rules on that. The other property owner has a well and maybe using a different well. So based on what they told me. We may have to relocate the sanitary system to the opposite side. The easterly side of the property. As far away down as the property wetland line. We will have to try to maintain the setbacks from the wetland line. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: One hundred feet from the wetland line. PATRICIA MOORE: One hundred feet is ideal. We may have to put the sanitary system somewhere in the center of the property, and I have had the surveyor figure this one out. Also the Board of Review to figure out what to do with the neighbors that want to keep wells. The location of the sanitary system maybe changed around. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do you want to Table this until you get that location because there seems to room to keep it out of our jurisdiction? 14 PATRICIA MOORE: As far as the location of the house. Do you have any comments? Because if you have any at this stage. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Let me take any other comments. First - PATRICIA MOORE: Sure I do not have any problem keeping it opened. Because we still will be talking about the location of things. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any other comment on this application. In favor or aga'mst DONNA COOK I am Donna Cook; I live directly across from the property. There are two wells that I have on my properties there. One is partially being used by my house. The other is directly across from the septic system that is actually going there. The way that I understand the surveys that I have seen, There is also . another house on the other side that has a well and it seems that no matter where we go the septic system is going to be a problem. With the wells that are partly in use there. I would not want to change to public water. I did not want to do it when they came in. I do not want to do it now and I will be using both wells. So I am not real sure if it is even feasible for the septic system to go on any part of that property. Would that be fringing on the canal or infringing on the well on the east side of the property. My two wells on the south side of the property. Also another neighbor's Well who maybe look into the Health Department issue whether she can hook up to it in the future. It is actually ten feet or fifteen feet at the proposed site. So at this point I am not sure where it may not affect either of my wells. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We have jurisdiction at only 100 feet from the wetland line. Which in this case it is at the bulkhead in one part of the property. It is a steep bank on the other side of it. Anything beyond that is outside of our jurisdiction. Currently where the septic system is proposed is ourt side of our jurisdiction. So we would not have a say. Ideally the septic system stays out of our jurisdiction. So that would have to be a health department issue. DONNA COOK; I think that is where the problem is coming in. Because it needs to be 150 feet away to just to keep the Health Department happy. Will put it within your jurisdiction. As far as the canal is concerned. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So they are going to have to do their homework with the Health Depamnent and try to place the septic system. DONNA CLARK: Was notification I am confused about the notification part. Because there is a dirt road a privately owned dirt road between my property and the proposed property. Should I have been made aware of that. Because I found out just only a few days ago. About six days ago. About the septic system. From one of the other neighbors. And that is directly across from where my well is now. I was not sure if it was because of the road being private property and that being the next neighbor. Or ifI was considering the next neighbor because I was consider because that is where I live. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: How did you consider that Pat. PATRICIA MOORE: I explained to Mrs. Cook. That according to the regulation. We have to notify adjacent property owners. That Windy Point Lane happens to be in private ownership with one of the other people that is here. That is the only reason that she was not notified. Otherwise, if it were a public road, we would have notified her. Fortunately she is here. So it really is not an issue. Now that I 15 know what the issues are. We are going to be dealing with her because with respect to Trustee's jurisdiction. They do not have to be notified. However with respect to wells and sanitary locations. They will be notified. From now on. DONNA COOK: This is all new to me. I just want to keep mywater clean. I do not want to hook up to the public system. I check my well every year and it is clean and I prefer to keep it that way. It is except ally clean considering. So I would just like to make sure that it stays that way. It is my only concern. The fact that there are other wells that there are concerns about. That is privately owned by another neighbor. He is going to fred out from the Health Department if there is an issue with her of being able to use the well again. Her concern is that if she ever wants to disconnect public water and go back on her well that would create a problem at that point. So we would like to find out about that before anything happens there. TRUZTEE KRUPSKI: Sure. All right. PATRICIA MOORE: these are all goof questions and they are issues that we will haave to deal with with directly on the initial application to the Health Department or through the Board of Review. We will be back. DONNA CLARK: there will be another meeting then. That we will all be made aware. Is that how that works. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Why not call Charlotte tomorrow at the office, and just make sure that when this comes up again. That you are notified. DONNA CLARK: Okay thank you TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Just make sure that when this comes up again that you are notified. The property is posted. There should be a notice in the paper but what happens once this is tabled. It will automatically come up next month. Chances are this will not be resolved by December 19th. PATRICIA MOORE: A double check to me when you give your name and address to Charlotte. That will be a double check to make sure that I will not fall asleep on th_e job and she woon't. DONNA CLARK: Thank you very much. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Are there another comments on this application? Pat, I think the only concern of the Board. Was that it did not show a 50 foot buffer on this and beyond that it looks pretty straight forward.. PATRICIA MOORE: Okay- fme. I will put it on my notes the 50 foot buffer TRUSTEE SMITH: Just put it on the survey. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is what the CAC recommended that was their only comment. They recommend approval. I will make a Motion to Table the application. TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved. Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES. Patricia Moore, Esq. on behalf of ROBERT & DIANE SCHROEDER request a Wetland Permit for a two story house, garage and swimming pool. Located: 150 Rene Drive, Southold, NY SCTM#54-06-4.3 16 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here would like to comment on this application. PATRICIA MOORE: Must you ask. I am going to walk you through this one. Would you mind ifI came to the table. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sure. PATRICIA MOORE: Dave Cichanowicz drew up the proposal. Thank you very much for the time that you guys spent at the field. It was very helpful and worthwhile to all of us Ithink. We have Option One and Option Two of the driveway entrance. Option One is the one that we discussed there at the field. Option Two Dave Cichanowicz drew in because ~t was require the least removal of any trees or regarding. It comes into the property and then goes between some trees and then connects up where Option One driveway would be. The pond is shown here with the 30-foot buffer. Option One is more than 30 feet and Option Two is (cannot understand) and the garage again is setback 30 feet and will act as a physical b~er. So that the area around the pond will remain as natural as possible. The Schroeder's wanted to improve the area around the pond and make it very natural. So it will be good for any animals that want to enjoy themselves there. But also also it will be an access to the property. So certainly Option Two, Mr. Schroeder, who is in the business that is the easier one. MR. SCHRODER: It was the least intrusive as far as the trees. There is hardly any tree there. Basically no more regrading. Just cut back where we were standing and you can see where it tums. Where the other one was low if you remember by the pole. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You would not need any fill on Option Two. MR. SCHROEDER: No. PATRICIA MOORE: Just regrading just grading. M~. SCHROEDER: Just cut out the topsoil to make the driveway. There are only just very short trees. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What is the width of the driveway? MR. SCHROEDER: I think it is fourteen feet. No more than fifteen feet. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What do you think Artie. TRUSTEE FOSTER: It is fine. TRUSTEE SMITH: I would like to see the one with the less grading. The fewer disturbances. PATRICIA MOORE: That is Option Two. lust as long as you understand the time frame. Like sausage it is not pretty until it comes out. There is going to be some activity here. So do not come down on us. When he is ib the process. He has to build the pond, but this is all going to be in relation to when the house is done. At that point, they are going to start on the landscaping restoration if you are happy with this. If you could just attach to your permit. Then we will submit this to the Building Department. We will get you another one. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there any other comment? TRUSTEE SMITH: I will make a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES. 17 TRUSTEE SMITH: I will make a Motion that we approve the ROBERT & DIANE SCHROEDER plan with the Option Two for the driveway. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES. Patricia Moore, Esq. on behalf of BREEZY SOUND CORP. request a Wetland Permit to construct motel on property freshwater area identified- proposed foundations relocated in order to establish a 50' non-disturbance area and setback from flagged area. Located: North Road, Greenport, NY SCTM#45-1-2.1 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone who would like to speak in favOr of or against the application? PATRICA MOORE: I have Kevin Walsh here from Barrett, Bonacci & Van Weele, P.C. We have two reasons for coming before you. The one is the fifty foot setback from the foundation. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Sorry, just let me get set-up here. PATRICIA MOORE: There are two spots that are. The first one is the freshwater wetlands. We have to make sure that the structure is back fifty feet or a non- disturbance buffer as it is shown there. I hope that is acceptable to you. The second issue which is that back in 1984 when this project was approved. The town come up with the set back line up on the bluff. Since that time we now have revised there site plan and come in for up-dated site plan and we are going through essential the process all over again. That line has changed somewhat. In some respects it. We try to take a thirty foot slope which is an average rule of thumb because in that area. The top of the bluff and the erosion has really affected the typographical and the line which you draw is really the line. Is very important to us because we have 100 foot set back with the zoning code. That we cannot put any structure within 100 feet of whatever line it is. That you draw. That really affects the liability to develop this property the way we would like. If the existing foundations are presently within the 100 foot. The area between the foundation is going to be used. So the proposal that we have we will cal it the set back line. If you want to take any part of the 100 feet and do any kind of specific mediation that you would recommend. We will take that and certa'mly incorporate it. But the line where it is drawn will impact on the ability to develop this property. Because of that 100 foot. It is not just that line. It is 100 foot set back from that line. So we were hoping that you would accept the line that has been drawn there and we will take Artie - with whatever issues that you raised with dra'mage. The engineer is here. We have to provide a full engineering drainage plan and we had originally submitted that but the drawing has changed so much since then. It is a very expensive engineering processes that takes place and until we know where everything is going to go. We cannot do the engineering behind it. So it is domino effect - first we have to set the line and then we decide what structure are going to go. Then we put the drainage around the structures, but if there ~s something in particular that you want to see along that area. We are happy to incorporate it. That is what we are here for. To take whatever comments that you have and take into the entire the project. 18 TRUSTYEE KRUPSKI: I am sorry Pat, before we comment. Is there any other comment? BYRON KABOT: My name is Byron Kabot and I own the four acres near the property and when the foundations were put in a number of years ago are located, I think as close as possible to our property line. It hms at a sharp end and off to the northeast. The foundations are situated in such a way. That anyone living in those foundations is logically would want to cut down our tree line. To have a view of the stmset. One of my concerns is I want to make sure. That if it is approved that a motel can put on this property that the structures of the motel are set back far enough away from our property so that we do not have that kind of threaten. These are the thoughts on my mind which I am expressing at this time and I feel appropriate. One of my other concerns is although as I understand it. There ia a possible seven acres there. In defense of the way that our property line hms a there property. They only have 200 feet or 300 feet of beach front. Where as we have 400 feet. So that the addition of this population motel. All these people at the motel is going to put a population burden on our adjacent beach. We are trying to protect our beach from that type of encroachment. The third thing that I would mention at this point is a wetland there. It is sunken back in. I would think that they would have to keep there buildings away from that area and not fill that in. There land is higher than our and our land slopes in so any filling that they do. The cesspools it is going to drain into our lower area. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Would you like to see the map? BYRON KABOT: Yes, I really have had not a chance to look at any this. This is what I was talking about. The way that these foundation. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Most of this project is outside of our jurisdiction. The reason that we are involved. Because there has been a lot of development on the Sound. An area like this, which is pitched towards the bluff. Somebody comes in and clears it. The water goes over the bluff destabilizes the bluff effect not only their property, but also the neighbors property and it becomes a big problem. Now in this case that is the only reason. Except for the fresh water wetland that we are involved in this. This is a pretty stable bluff here. Iftheyprovide drainage. It will not affect bluff integrity or your property with their drainage. Last month or the month before we approved a set of stairs for access way over there. BYRON KABOT: I was not aware of that. I did not make that meeting. When you approved that you did not allow putting any solid structure up against the bluff or any stonewalls. I think that they had proposed the rock groin. Did you approve that. Because any attempt to protect the bluffis foolish. Because the bluff in essence restores the beach. The minute you start to pile rocks up. You loose your beach and you end up. KEVIN WALSH: What we had done on the stairs. You are right the whole bluff is very stable except for where the stairs are going to go. People are walking down.. So within the stairs approval. We also included in the plan to show the restoration of that and the replanting of that whole area. Where the stairs was. To revegetate that whole bluff. There was no solid structures. It was regrading and replanting at the stairs. 19 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The destabilization of that area due to the people using it. Also that was a low spot. In the plan we provided it with a French drain in front of that. So that the water cannot just flush down there and keep eroding that area. BYRON KABOT: I would not have been surprised that the 1938 hurricane that whole area might have gotten swamp. I think the water came up pretty high in that hurricane and actually flushed. KEVIN WALSH; There was originally a set of stairs. That washed out in 1993 1994 storms I am sure. BYRON KABOT: What it is in my opinon right now is. The bluffis pretty stable reasonably stable. But it is set up for a major incident of erosion in a big storm. We had the 1938 hurricane and what that did was it refurbished the whole beach. I think on our property we lost a half-acre of land. It came up high on the bluff. For a while the bluff was disturbed and now all the vegetation has grown back. What has happened is we are getting to the point where if we get another big storm and if the waters are keeping up. And keeping up. We are going to have another episode like that. KEVIN WALSH; It is always possible, but the bluffs that we look at. This is a great bluff. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: This is one of the better bluffs. More stable bluff. KEVIN WALSH: This IS what we all stride to have it look like that. We can always get a major storm and there as nothing that any of us can do with that. BYRON KABOT: I am just saying that one thing in your plans though. If you get another hurricane like 1938. There could be a ten-foot set back with that bluff. It would kick that much dirt up. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is possible. But our concern is that we do not destabilize the bluff from the top from the hotel activity. Also destabilize your property in the meantime. But with properly designed drainage that will not happen. I think what this Board is going to recommend. The CAC also recommended it also is a fifl3'- foot non-turf buffer. So that they could do plantings fi:om the top of the bluff back fifty feet to do non-turf plantings. Sheared low for a view but it would stabilize the bluff. Because turf is not very effective at stabilizing soil. Put in Rosa rugosa, bayberry I do not know what else you could use there that would withstand the wind. But it would hold the top of the bank and all that water would not flush over. KEVIN WALSH: I think native grasses and shrubs would be appropriate. BYRON KABOT: This building here concern me, because this is actually in a low lying area this building. I think I saw the comer stakes for this building. I do not know if you have comer stakes for the other buildings. KEVIN WALSH: No just for that building, because the Board had asked for it. I see, because it is in their jurisdiction. I am catching up But this I actually the grade I think this building is set down in a gully and I am just guessing that the actual ground level is 10 feet up over here. I think that there is a point where they did the surveying from. That point from the space is maybe 12 feet high. (tape change) When we really have a heavy rain. So the situation of this building is not very good. 2O KEVIN WALSH: It is an eminent I believe of a wetland that was much larger at one time through your property and this property. It eroded with development. The vegetation is extremely desensed. You are talking about crawling into binned wetlands. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We did that. KEVIN WALSH: You know. You loose a lot of blood. With the vines but I think that wetland area because of it's small size, because it is just a ruminant. I believe water that is coming up from this slope up in here feed it. When I flagged it. It was wet. We flagged it on the vegetation. It does not matter if it is wet or dry. When we locate the wetland area. But do to the density of vegetation that is why I had told you that I believed that the buffer was certainly was sufficient. Do to the small size of it. The low value of it. Every wetland is valuable but this one is very small. We have lawn on one side where the neighbor up from the wetlands and I think you should protect it. But I do not thing that is something that is of great value and the vegetation is so thick and if you keep that in place and make sure that it stays in place. I do not think that you are going to have any adverse effect. PATRICIA MOORE: It will also block off any visible as well as activity from anyone on this side. They are not going to run through that vegetation. BYRON KABOT. I know that. The other thing is that you have this pool pretty close to our property and all the activities surrounding it. In a way it might make more sense to put a pool more centrally located where everybody has more access. Rather off in the comer. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is more outside of our jurisdiction. A fifty-foot buffer is pretty standard from our Board for a wetland. KEVIN WALSH: This is so different it is not hke that you are planting the bluffer. It is there and it is natural. Leave it alone and it will get denser. If that is possible. BYRON KABOT: Are you going to have a basement in this. Is that with a basement? PATRICIA MOORE: I think that is going to depend. Because these have basement (cannot understand) BYRON KABOT: I do not understand. PATRICIA MOORE: Mechanical, like the electric generator. BYRON KABOT: It is a full. PATRICIA MOORE: It is not used. KEVIN WALSH: It is nothing more than a crawl space. I do not have the architectural plan with me. But it is for... BYRON KABOT. This is going to collect water. PATRICIA MOORE: No that is why they paid the big bucks. BYRON KABOT: If it is graded right, then it is going to push water into the wetland. Where is the water going to go. Where is the water going to go. TRUSTEE KRUPSLI: They have to provide fro drainage. So it does not flow off their property. They have to put in a lot of dry wells right for all roof run-off and parking lot run-off. 21 PATRICIA MOORE: All run-off from the roof and parking lot and structures has to be contained on the property. So that is why when you see the final product you are going to see a lot of engineering. BRYON KABOT: What is the building called? KEVIN WALSH: The majority of that set back is going to be left natural. Where it cannot be left natural, because there has to be some temporary disturbance. The grading is being planted as reflected in the landscape plans which have already been submitted. Will have to be modified slightly because of where we are now. BYRON KABOT: Are you planning using the (cannot understand) KEVIN WALSH: That what he is planning on as far as I know at this moment. PATRICIA MOORE: We go back and forth on this issue and it depends on whether the Zoning Board will know how to treat it. BYRON KABOT; Because we are not m your jurisdiction. TRUSTEE FOSTER: You are going to have to take this argument out into hall. We have to movee on here. BYRON KABOT: But the one thing that I would say, regarding the jurisdiction. We expect a major storm. This will erode that bluff. Which we need to restore the beach. It is going to happen very slowly or we are going to get a big shot. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Right. BYRON KABOT: You want to take that into consideration. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is why they do haave a one hundred foot set back from the top of the bluff. BYRON KABOT: well, she mentioned fifty feet at one point. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No fifty feet - the building is set back 100 feet, fifty foot would be non-turf. So what now is grass would have fifty foot planted up with other vegetation. So it would not effect the grass at the top of the bluff. Because that does not hold the soil at all. You can put in something like rosa rugosa. It has a tremendours root system. That really hold the soil at the top and stabilize it. That is what we want to see. BYRON CABOT: Okay, thank you very much. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you any other comments? TRUSTEE SM1TH: I will make a Motion to close the hearing on BREEEZY SOUND CORP. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: ls there a second. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES TRUSTEE SMTIH: I will make a Motion that we Approve the BREEZY SOUND CORP. for a Wetland Permit to construct a motel on the bluff. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there a second. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: With the condition that there be a fifty foot non-turf buffer at the top of the bluff point - all run-offwill be contained on the applicant's property. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Any hay bales during construction. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is a good idea. Haybales placed at the fifty foot line during construction - Thank you. 22 TRUSTEE FOSTER: Silt fence or just haybales? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI.' Hay bales and silt and also same around the fifty foot non- disturbance around the freshwater wetlands. PATRICIA MOORE: Also make a notation that there are going to gather so many lot number. Maybe the lot that is (cannot understand). TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Then we have to be provided with another map showing the fifty foot non-turf buffer area. Hay bales and silt fence at that line. Hay bales and silt fence at the fifty foot - the fresh water is the non-disturbance buffer area. PATRICIA MOORE: I got it. TRUSTEE FOSTER: You can put it all on the final drawing. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We need to have that for our files. Do you want to reference on this one? PATRICIA MOORE: If you could reference that one. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We only have one in our files. PATRICIA MOORE: I will get you more of those. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We do not need more. Just put PATRICIA MOORE: What is the date of that one. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We will approve the drainage plan if the Town Engineer okays it.. PATRICIA MOORE. Planning gets it, the town Engineer and (cannot understand). TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do you see any date on this? 10/03/01 PATRICIA MOORE: 10/03/01 - thank you. 10. Crowley Construction on behalf of JAMES SLECKMAN request a Wetland Permit to install a 4'x50' fixed dock, 3'x16' ramp 6'x20' float and access stairs from beach on to dock. Located 150 Oak Street, Southold, SCTM#77-2-5 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here like to speak in favor of the application. JAMES SLECKMAN: James Sleckman, I thought Mr. Crowley would be here. CHARLOTTE CUNNINGHAM: He called, and said he had another appointment and if there was any problem to table it. But he thought that everything would be all right. He had a confusion because we usually meet on Wednesday night. He was in the office and we met tonight Tuesday. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Because of Thanksgiving we always meet on Wednesday. Let me see if there is any other comment before I take your comments. Is there any other comment on this application? Our only concern is that we want to establish a dock line. As we do on any creek. Where we have neighbors constructing docks. Your dock can not extend any further seaward than a line drawn between two adjacent neighbors. JAMES SLECKMAN: That is fine. TARUSTEE KRUPSKI: So that brings your dock somewhat..So we just need a revised plan. We can approve it tonight based on that. TRUSTEE SMTII-I: I think we said that we would keep it at that mooring. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Roughly where the mooring buoys are as far as I am concemed. 23 .TRUSTEE SMITH; I think that if you kept at the mooring buoy. It will be fine. JAMES SLECKMAN: Okay TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So we can approve it based on that. Then you have to give us a set of plans reflecting that. When you get the plans you can get the permit. JAMES SLECKMAN: That sounds good. Thank you very much. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES Ken would you like to make a motion? TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I will make a Motion on behalf of JAMES SLECKMAN to approve the wetland to install 4'by whatever length that bring that mooring buoy with a 3'x16' ramp and 6'x20' float. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That will extend no further than the line drawn between. TRUSTE POLIWODA: A set of stairs fi:om the beach onto the dock. Located: 150 Oak Street, Southold. TRUSTEE SMITH: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Wait a second there is some discussion here. TRUSTEE FOSTER: No. I just wanted TRUSTEE POLIWODA: We need an overall length. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You can bring your plan with a length and then it cannot extend pasi what the neighbor's have. Provided that the neighbor to the west has a legal dock. There is some question about that? TRUSTEE POLIWODA: The dock to your west, then there is an extended ramp and float. It is almost like a "L" then a second ramp. That is what we questioned. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Charlotte said the Bay Constable got sent out on the site of the dock. We will get confirmation on that. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: We are going to have to stipulate that. You can not extend no furather than the legal size dock. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES 12. Garrett A. Strang Architect on behalf of JOItN P. & JOAN DOItERTY request a Wetland Permit for addition and alterations to existing single family residence, including front porch & second floor addition. Located: 1300 Grathwohl Road, New Suffolk, NY SCTM#117-4-7 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone who would like to speak in favor or against the application? Board have any comment? TRUSTEE SMITH: Is that one across the street. I have no problem with it. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I do not think that anyone had a problem. Do I have a motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE SMTIH; So moved. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES Henry will you make a Motion. 24 TRUSTEE SMTIH: I will make a Motion that we Approve the application of JOHN P. & JOAN DOHERTY for additions to their existing residence with roof drains and drywells to contain the roof rrm-off on their own property. TRUSTE KRUPSKI: Is there a second. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES 13. Suffolk Environmental Consulting, Inc. on behalf of ~4LFRED & MARIANN SUESSER request a Wetland Permit to construct 8 linear ft. +/- of 10' wide ~-/- rock revetment (with 5' wide splash guard above) starting from thc southeastern comer of the property to the existing wood deck/stairs; and to construct 185 linear ft.+/- 8' wide +/- rock revetment beginning from said existing wood deck/stairs, along the bottom of the bluff which runs contiguous to the southeastern edge of subject property, and terminate at the northeastern comer of subject property. Located: 5055 New Suffolk Road, New Suffolk. SCTM#110-8-32.8 (Postponed per agent's requesO 14. Suffolk Environmental Consulting, Inc. on behalf of TOM GLEASON request a Wetland Permit to construct 195 linear ft. of bulkhead beginning fi'om the southeastern most property comer, along Cutchogue Harbor, (with 5' return at northern terminus) with a 5' wide splash pad on landward side of proposed bulkhead and 5' wide toe armor on seaward side of proposed bulkhead along entire length. Extending from the northern terminus of said bulkhead will be 130 linear ft +/-of 16' wide +/- of rock revetment, itself nmning along the southeastern edge of subject property to the northern property line. In addition, applicant proposes to construct an access road (8.0' wide) on the northeastern section of said property. Located: 5115 New Suffolk Road, New Suffolk, NY SCTM#110-8-34 (Postponed per agent's requesO 15. Land Use Ecological Services on behalf of FRANCIS & MARIA MCNAMEE request a Wetland Permit to construct a dock facility which consists ora 4'x32' +/- fixed CCA Timber Pier. Proposed structure is proposed to be elevated a minimum of 4' above the existing wetlands vegetation: (18) 4"x4" CCA timber dock pilings are proposed to support the proposed pier and (1) 8" Dia. CCA timber mooring piles is proposed 10' +/- to the west side of the propose pier. Located: 910 Glenn Road, Southold, NY SCTM#78-2-27 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI; Is there anyone who would like to speak in favor of the application. CHUCK BOWMAN: I am Chuck Bowman on behalf of the applicant We spoke the line of docks. I know that we had discussions on another dock on this creek. The Cortell dock and wc tried to do this the same way. The board had 25 wanted on that. (cannot understand) I believe this is going to be similar as well. If you have any questions. TRUSTEE SMTIH: The only thing that we discussed that on an narroxv canal like that. You cannot exceed including the boat tied to the side of the dock. You cannot exceed one third the distance of the navigable water ways. CHUCK BOX~vlAN: I think it is 17 feet. It depends on what type you have there. Anything from the high water mark. TRUSTEE SMITH: That being the navigable part at the low water mark. CHUCK BOWMAN: The loxv mark of the dock ~vill be ten feet out. TRUSTEE SMITH: That is the dock. CHUCK BOWMAN: That is correct and if you have a boat. A small boat (cannot understand). TRUSTEE SMITH: I do not know what the distance is across there. You might be perfectly fine with it right now. CHUCK BOWMAN: We have the width as 50 feet. But I do not think that is all navigable waters. I believe that is the width from the high water mark. We have a measure the low water. Loxv water reading. TRUSTEE SMTIH: That is the standard policy on our canals. CHUCK BOWEMAN: Absolutely, this is the same perimeter. The same basic width that we put on the Cortell dock. They are very similar. The width is similar and what we approved is similar and the dock size is similar as well. TRUSTEE SMITH: I think that if you gave us the width of that canal at low xvater. TRUSTEE POLI3VODA: You know what ~vould really be helpful xvould be a stake on each side of the canal. At the low tide. Give us the break find the loxv water and find the 18 inch march. CHUCK BOWMAN: I think the low water mark is up against the bulkhead. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think it is. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: You know our rules one third. CHUCK BOWMAN: Absolutely, I believe this is going to conform to the one third. That is why we designed that way. Do you have any other problems with the configuration? TRUSTEE SMITH: No. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No. CHUCK BOWMAN: Just to show you that it does not exceed the one third. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is all the navigation. TRUSTEE SMITH: That is thc only problem is the navigation. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I will make a Motion to Table it. The CAC recommended disapproval based on insufficient water depths width of the creek. Project was not staked. The structure would limit navigation to public resources and inhibit the natural corridor. I think that ~ve have addressed that with the insufficient ~vater depth. It is what it is. Just a matter of making sure that does not exceed more than one third way across. NEIGHBOR: I am next door and I have my float and boat and it has to be thirty feet between that goings across the length. It is pretty wide there. It is not that narrow. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We saw that. 26 TRUSTEE SMTIH: When we looked at it. We did not think that it would be a problem. But for the record we would like to have everything in order. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We want to make sure. There have been cases where it looked fine and then it gets built and it is not fine. CHUCK BOWMAN: Across the way they have boats that are out there and are right up against the bulkhead. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I do not think that we have to go back out there again. Do we? TRUSTEE SMTIH: No. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We are satisfied with the distance. CHUCK BOWMAN: We will show you the distance. We will put the ties on the plans. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you I will make a Motion To Table. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES 16. Land Use Ecological Services on behalf of ERNEST H. SCHNEIDER, SR~ request a Wetland Permit to re-locate an existing lot line and construct a 1,320 s.f. single family residence & sanitary system on the southern lot. Dwelling will be located a minimum of 100' landward of the tidal wetlands boundary and the proposed sanitary system shall be located 109' landward of said boundary. The limits of clearing, grading & ground disturbance shall not exceed the 100' setback. Located: 915 Lakeside Drive, Southold, NY SCTM#090-04-5&6 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anyone like to speak in favor of the application. CHARLES BOWMAN: Charles Bowman again, I think we were suppose to submit new plans. We are still waiting for that from the surveyor. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You are going to basically move this out of our jurisdiction. ~Across that driveway. CHARLES BOWMAN: This is the other Schneider, this is the piece. CHARLOTTE CUNNINGHAM: There are two files. CHARLES BOWMAN: This is the lot line changes to a much bigger piece. CHARLOTTE CUNNINGHAM: It must be the second file. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What are we doing with this. CHARLES BOWMAN: Again we must amend both surveys. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: So I will make a Motion to Table this application. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES 17. Samuels & Steelman Architects on behalf ofRONALD CASSARA request a Wetland Permit and Coastal Erosion Permit to renovate existing frame residence and add new additions resulting in new one and one half story residence. Located: 30185 Cabot Wood Road, Peconic, NY SCTM#73-04-01 27 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: See what we have here. I have a letter fi.om September. There is nothing here to talk about here. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Which one? TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think we will make a Motion to Table the application since there is not one here to represent the applicant and there is a lot of discussion as to what the renovation would look like and where it would be located. So I will make a Motion to Table the application. TRUSTEE SMITH: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES 18. Samuels & Steelman Architects on behalf of MARGARET O. CLEARY request a Wetland Permit for interior and exterior renovations to an existing accessory building and construction of new stair~vay. Located: 425 Terry l~ane, Southold, NY SCTM#65-0l-21 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone here would like to speak in favor of the application. MARGARET CLEARY: I am Margaret Cleary. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think what we discussed in the field, satisfied the Board. Is there anyone else who would like to comment on the application? Do I have a Motion to close the hearing. TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved. TRUSTEE KING: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES Would someone like to make a Motion. TRUSTEE KING: I will make a Motion to Approve the application of MARGARET CLEARY for a Permit TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do we have drywells and .. TRUSTEE SMTII-I: Was there something about a cesspool. MARGARET CLEARY: Right - regarding the cesspool. TRUSTEE SMITH: The cesspool is going to be moved back. Drywells for the roof run-off and things like that.. I will make a seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES I think that we are giving Peggy the wrong impression. That this is too easy. PEGGY DICKERSON: This is not so bad. 19. Henry Raynor on behalf of FRANK MARTORANA request a Wetland Permit for rebuilding existing dwelling will be at the present rear yard setback all excavating xvill be done landward of the existing setback line and to the road side of structure proposed dxvelling will be txvo story. Proposed elevated walkway will be 3 feet wide by approximately 20 feet long. Floating dock will be 4 feet wide and 20 feet long and constructed predominantly with CAA materials. Located: 3500 Deep Hole Drive, Mattituck NY SCTM#115-17-9&10 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Is there anyone who would like to speak in favor of the application? 28 HENRY RAYNOR, Good evening, gentlemen. I am Henry Raynor for the applicant. I believe the Board has some issues. The first and probably the foremost was there rule measuring one-third the distance of the creek. That any structure including the boat would not exceed. We have no problem with that all. From navigation stand point that is a very prudent role. Also the question of the existing structure and the overhanging deck, The Board has commented ifI understand it requested that the measurement and any new construction be at the concrete footings, which is on the easterly side of the property and according to the applicant, he has no problem with that. So the overhang of the deck would not be included in any of the calculations These are sketches that have just come out. I just got them about four 'clock this afternoon. Note two things Number One I think the architect maybe a little overly optimistic with regard to the length of the catwalk which is there. Whatever one third indication of the eastward line including the beam of the boat would incur. The walkway going out to that would be reduced by and that is not a problem with us. I am here tonight to see if there is anything else with regard to this application. The Board would like to review or question. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: To answer the concerns in the field. TRUSTEE SMITH: That was it. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The only thing that we are going to need is a plan showing and I am inclined to approve it tonight. Like this. Showing a revised plan showing the exact length of the catwalk. The water depth and the length of the channel itself. HRNEY RAYNOR: As well you are aware it is a very small channel. Ir was dug during the fifties by Ed dePriest. It has not to my knowledge ever redone. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: But we need that measurement across. Thank you very much. HENRY RAYNOR: That is not a problem I can give you that. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You just stick the tape across it really. TRUSTEE KING: I do not think that DEC is going to give you a float. Zito just the other side. Zito I think he ended up with a float with a pulley. But he has been all through it. Just to give you a heads up. HENRY RAYNOR: Just to spin our wheels. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I am inclined to Approve it based on a submission of the proper dock length showing the dock with the boat on it extending no more than a third across. So we can approve it tonight. But you will not get the permit until you submit the plans. HENRY RAYNOR: Fair enough.. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a Motion to close the heating? TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES TRUSTEE SMITH: I will make a Motion that we Approve the permit request of FRANK MARTORANA with the stipulation that we will get the revised plan showing the width of the Creek and the length of dock etc. House will have gutters and leaders and drywells to contain the roof run-off. 29 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: What about a buffer there? Hay bales and silt fence during construction. It really is a disturbed area what do you think maybe a 20 toot non- turf buffer. TRUSTEE KING: There is not a lot of room. Give us something there. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: A twenty foot non-turf. They can plant it up to whatever is going to survive there. HENRY RAY'NOR: If you do not do it the DEC will do it. TRUSTEE KRUPSLI: Sure of yes. They can have turf beyond that. Something to protect the bank there. TRUSTEE POLIW'ODA: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES HENRY RAYNOR: Thank you gentlemen. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I know when you gentlemen are coming up. How about you sir, GENTLEMEN: I am next. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You are next. TRUSTEE KING: Have a good Thanksgiving - Henry. HENRY RAYNOR: You to. 20. Frank Simone H2M Group on behalf of TOWN OF SOUTHOLD request a Wetland Permit for removal existing aluminum box culvert which carries Peconic Bay Blvd over brushes Creek construct new concrete bridge in approximately the same location. Located: Peconic Bay Boulevard over Brushes Creek - Laurel Lane, Laurel, New York FRANK SIIMONE: I am Frank Simone, we represent H2M Group who is the applicant on behalf of the Town of Southold. Hopefully I can answer any questions that you may have on the plans or aspects of the job. It is also under reviexv with the New York State DEC, Army Corp. of Engineer's and the United States Coast Guard. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It was a navigable waterway. FRANK SIMONE: That is right. Those plans are being reviexved as we speak. To add Department of State is also involved but they have given our concurrence they have no involvement. That is the only positive on that. Plans that we have am current. Our proposed design at that location. One of the homeowners was here earlier but he could not hold out. We have been in contact xvith him.(cannot understand) TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I would like to see other than CCA materials be used. Maybe of a plastic type. FRANK SIMONE: That is reasonable. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Using a environmentally friendly material. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Anything that comes in contact with the water. What about provisions for drywells in the course of construction at the edge of the pavement. Instead of directly under the creek. FRANK SIMONE: Right now the decision that you are talking about are temporary basis, 30 TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: No something permanent. Not necessary by the bridge itself. But where you get greater elevation on each side in the disturbed area to the landward limit. As the hole drains in that would be an appropriate place to put them. The areas that are going to be disturbed I think because of the grade especially to the west. Because the road is going to be graded. The road is going to be graded up. It seems like a good place to put a couple there on either side. So that water comes down Peconic Bay Blvd. FRANK SIMONE: Okay it might be a curve section on the structure. Do you want it directly to the basin? Unless you are talking about offthe roadway. Some kind of a drop in length. Either way it is doable. TRUSTEE KING: Anything that would take care the road run-off TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: To take care of the first flush of road run-off. You are not going to get too much. What is the elevation here? Take a look at this Artie. He left. It would be good to put that in. It is not going to be disturbed. It is dugged up there. Anything would be a plus. FRANK SIMONE: Sure, okay. If we can propose the Town to extend the limits. Before we start the structure to take care of other provisions. It would be a lot easier to do. We just can contain what we are going to do. (cannot understand) TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is what we mean with the new project limits whatever is possible especiallywith the elevation to the west. On the east side I do not think that you have much room I do not think that it is that greater. FRANK S1MONE: It is an extra dated grade. You are looking much that the road runs from east to west as far as the grade. So the lesser construction would be a low pointed road. That is the only way we can take care of the water. (cannot understand). TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: We were looking at the location of putting some drywells in. TRUSTEE FOSTER: There is not a lot of room there. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well they are going to raise it up on this side. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Not really widen it. You have to put them in the roads. FRANK SIMONE: One thing about putting them in the road is to try to grade so that we can grade it to a structure offthe side of the road. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well there is room on this side. There is room on the south side. On the north side the wetlands are right there. Because on this side it drops right off. This is up land here. The west side. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Do you want to do like on Bayview and stop it before it gets there. There is plenty of room. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Here is that little basin there. If we can put something up in here. Because it is upland and not here. It would catch it before it gets there. FRANK SIMONE: Sure we can grade to put something in here. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Because here I think the wetlands are right there. I do not think that there is any room. FRANK SIMONE: You are right it runs right - along the existing. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: You catch whatever you catch there. We will be happy with some drywells. TRUSTEE KING: Any idea when this project is going to start? 31 FRANK SIMONE: Hoping for construction in the Spring of next year. Depending on the other agency review which I do not think will be a problem. TRUSTEE KING: How long do you think that construction will take? FRANK SIMONE. We are looking for four to six weeks. We are trying to get out of there before summer traffic starts. TRUSTEE KING: That is good. Maybe we can suggest that they can take the old culvert and ship it out west and use for a bear trap - maybe get some money for it. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: I think that was it. Really- It really needs to be done. FRANK SIMONE: It basically boils down to the use of the plastic type of material for the piles and some drywells or the equal ant of drywells, catch basin. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Any thing that could be engineered in there that is going to be practical and functional. FRANK SIMONE: Is there a problem with a leaching type structure. TRUSTEE FOSTER: That is kind what you want. You do not want. FRANK SIMONE: But once you get the water in there. It is going to leak out. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That is all fight. TRUSTEE FOSTER: It is filtered. FRANK SIMONE: Okay. TRUSTEE KING: A lot of the creeks are shut down for shell fishing Because of road run-off. The first flush you get that has all the bacteria. If that is tested for twenty-four hours. Most of it dies off. So that is the whole idea of it. To stop that first flush from getting into the creek. FRANK SIMONE. That is not a problem. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do we have a Motion to close the hearing? TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. Tape change - TRUSTEE POLIWODA: What are the pilings for? FRANK SIMONE: It is to support the footings that extend more. That footing will be backfilled to give us stability. TRUSTEE SMITH: Do you have to use concrete ones I think? FRANK SIMONE: Concrete ones is another option. The county uses that pretty much. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: That would be good to. FRANK SIMONE: It would serve the same purpose. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Than again longevity would be a big plus. FRANK SIMONE: Again each thing has a price tag to it. I am not a liberty to say that log samples they are more functional. I just do not know if the budget would permit it. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is better to do it fight instead of being back here again. FRANK SIMONE: I agree with you. TRUSTEE SMITH: Instead of doing it a second time. FRANK SIMONE: Who propose that the Town. TRUSTEE KRI~SKI: We will put in as far as a non-CCA material. No cresol. 32 FRANK SIMONE: They should realize that if it is not done right. It will come back to haunt them. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: You put the reborn and cement the pile. It will last as the construction. I will make a Motion to accept. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES PEGGY DICKERSON: See you guys I am heading out while I can. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Bailing out - good night. TRUSTEE SMTIH: What are you going to do when you get to a real meeting? PEGGY DICKERSON: I hear you. 21. Boulevard Planning East P.C. on behalf of ROBERT & DOROTHY MURRAY request a Wetland Permit to construct three (3) car garage re-construct front steps to house. Located: 1180 Corey Creek Lane, Southold, NY SCTM#78-4-16 TRUSTEE SMITH: There is a big problem xvith this one. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Yes ROBERT MURRAY: Contrary to a lot of things that I have heard about the Trustees and the Town Board. I really appreciate it has been informative and it has been pleasant. I want to thank you. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Thank you. TRUSTEE KING: We try to run a friendly meeting. TRUSTEE FOSTER: How many other places have you been besides the Trustees? ROBERT MURRAY: Just in Brooklyn. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Well you might want to take some of that comment back. Trustee's okay, xve will take it. You have not been to the Town Board or the Building Department yet. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Well we try to make it so that people are regulated, but not put in a hole. You have to help people to if you are going to regulate them. You have to let them live also. Be fair with them. 33 ROGER MURRAY: The DEC came down and they were very cooperative. I have met some of the people on the Board when they came down. It has been educational for me really. So you have helped me a lot. So next month I will file next month for my dock. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Once you get all of these permits you can save some comments for the Tax Assessor too. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Do I have a Motion to close the hearing? TRUSTEE SMITH: So moved. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I will make a Motion to Approve the Wetland Pemfit on behalf of ROBERT & DOROTHY MURRAY to construct a three car garage reconstruct front steps to house. Located: 1180 Corey Creek Lane, Southold with the stipulation that the garage contain it's own roof rrm off through dry wells. TRUSTEE SMITH: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES ROBERT MURRAY: Thank you. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Take care - good night. TRUSTEE SMTIH: Good luck NEIGItBOR: I am not Dorothy. ROBERT MURRAY: Come on Gracie. 22. Proper-T Services, Inc. on behalf of SAL VATORE GUERRERA request a Wetland Permit to construct dwelling with on-site sewage disposal system and public water. Construct fixed walknvay 4'x178', hinged ramp 4'x16'. And floating dock 6'x20' floating dock to be secured by two piles. Located: 1450 Ole Jule Lane, Mattituck, NY SCTM#122-4-44.6 CHARLOTTE CUNNINGHAM: It was tabled last month. Because of the set backs. Mr. Fitzgerald is not here. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I do not think that anything has changed. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: The house right now is set back 45 feet. TRUSTEE FOSTER: Is this Alperti? CHARLOTTE CUNNINGHAM: No Guerrera TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: It is right next to Mrs. Dunne. [ do not think that we had a problem with the dock. But he will have to meet us at the site with this dock and stake it. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: I think there is aproblem with the dock. It is 78 feet. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Remember it was all phragmites. The house is only 45 feet. So they have got to make a smaller house. Push it back and work on the dock. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: For now table it. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Table it, and I will make a Motion to Table it. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: Seconded. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES Call Jim Fitzgerald and tell him if he wants we are available to meet with him on the site. Show him where a dock can go. Because he has to take the bull by the horn. 34 23. Gary Olsen, Esq. on behalf of NEIL SCHUSSEL request a Wetland Permit to construct a single family dwelling, deck, and sanitary system. Located: 3185 Stillwater Avenue East Cutchogue, NY SCTM#136-2.7&8 (Postponed until further noticed 24. Catherine Mesiano, Inc. on behalf of 3'IAUREEN BENIC request a Wet/and Permit for the seasonal msta/lafion of a 8'x20' polyethylene float secured with 4 25 lb. mushroom anchors. Located: 395 North Parish Drive, Southold SCTM#71-1_4 (Postponed per agent's requesO 25. Catherine Mesiano, Inc. on behalf of MELTON FORMAN for a Wetland Permit to clear within 100 feet of bhiff maintain 35 foot natural buffer. Located: 58105 Sound Avenue, Albertson Lane, Greenport, NY SCTM#44-2_9 (Withdrawal of the application by the ageno FISHER 'S ISLAND; TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Then we have two on Fisher's Island. What is the story with those two? TRUSTEE FOSTER: I was scheduled to go to Fisher's Island this morning but we had a tremendous security breach at Mattituck Airport. All flights were cancelled in and out of the manifold machine broke down. Coffee truck was ten minutes late. No I got a call from, Sound Air Craft this morning. They cancelled the flight due to the weather. TRUSTEE POLIWODA: You know that there was a flight that went in there. It was over my house this morning. TRUSTEE FOSTER: From Mattituck TRUSTEE POLIWODA: No Southold. It went down/n Matt/tuck it was a small little j et. TRUSTEE KRUPSKh It would have been a tough day to fly today. TRUSTEE SMITH: I make a Motion that we put these offuntil next month. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: Until Artie gets his nerve up to fly. TRUSTEE POL1WODA: Seconded. TRUSTEE FOSTER: No the pilot called me and he said that he could get there. But I do not think that I will be able to bring you back. So I said I will swim. TRUSTEE KRUPSKI: All in favor. ALL AYES .' 35 26. Docko, Inc. on behalf of PIRATE'S COVE MARINA, INC. request a Wetland Permit to conduct Maintenance Dredging to restore a depth of 7' below mean low water, removing 300 cy of silt sandy bottom sediments over 4,000 +/- sf for upland disposal. Located: North shore of Eastern Pirate's Cove approximately ¼ mile north on Peninsula Road. Fisher's Island, NY SCTM#010-3-22 27. JMO Consulting, Inc. on behalf of WILLIAM REED request a Wetland Permit to construct a single family dwelling, associated sanitary system, public water line, driveway, patio and garage. All ~vork shall be in accordance with enclosed survey Located: ROW off of Peninsula Road, Fisher's Island, NY SCTM# l 0-3-1 Meeting Adjourned at: 9:15 p. m.: Respectfully submitted. arlotte Cunnigham, Clerk Board of Town Trustees 36