HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB-01/29/2013ELIZABETH A. NEVILLE
TOWN CLERK
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OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK
SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
REGULAR MEETING
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
PO Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971
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Telephone: (631)765- 1800
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MINUTES
January 29, 2013
4:30 PM
A Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board was held Tuesday, January 29, 2013 at the
Meeting Hall, 53095 Main Road, Southold, NY. Supervisor Russell opened the meeting at 4:30
PM with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
Call to Order
4:30 PM Meeting called to order on January 29, 2013 at Meeting Hall, 53095 Route 25,
Southold, NY.
William Ruland Town of Southold Councilman
Christopher Talbot Town of Southold Councilman
Jill Doher[Y Town of Southold Councilwoman
Albert Krupski Jr. Town of Southold Councilman
Louisa P. Evans Town of Southold Justice
Scott Russell Town of Southo!d Supervisor
EiiZabeth Al i~l~Viiie Town of Southold Town Clerk
Martin Di Finnegan 5~n 0f ~t~;iCi T;Wr~ ~;rney
Present
present
Present
Absent
Present
Present
Present
Present
I. Reports
1. Island Group - Employee Health Care Plan
2. Department of Solid Waste Monthly Reports
3. North Fork Animal Welfare League
Il. Public Notices
1. NYS DOT - Proposed Work on NY Route 25 from CR 58 to Tuckers Lane
2. NYS DEC Notice of Complete Application
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IlL Communications
IV. Discussion
1. 9:00 A. M. - Laura Klahre
2. 9:15 A. M. - Laura Klahre
3. 9:30 A. M. - Lloyd Reisenberg
4. 9:45 A.M. - Jim McMahon, Jeff Standish, Jamie Richter, Michael Collins and Lloyd
Reisenberg
5. 10:00 A.M. - Lloyd Reisenberg
10:07AM Coffee Break
6. 10:15 A.M. - Jim McMahon, Jeff Standish and Tim Abrams
7. Consider Resolution to Support NYS Assembly Foreclosure Bills
8. Geothermal Heat Systems, Per Councilman Christopher Talbot
9. Permit & Tipping Fee Waivers from Superstorm Sandy (Building, Trustees & Landfill)
(Currently Expire 2/1/13)
10. Code Enforcement- Update on Joint Meeting
I 1. Consider Adoption of Employee Confidentiality Policy
12. Small Wind Turbines and Growing Complaints on Noise and Vibration - How to Qualify
and Rectify
13. LL/Dogs on Beaches (PH This Afternoon)
14. LL/LIO & L1 (PH This Afternoon)
15. Long lsland Sound Dredge Spoil Sites
Motion To: Motion to ENTER Executive Sesison ~ 11:29 AM
On motion by Councilwoman Jill Doherty, seconded by Justice Louisa Evans, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Board hereby ENTERS into Executive Session at
11:29AM for the purpose of discussing the following matters:
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16.
17.
1) Employment history and performance of a particular person or persons or matters leading to
the appointment, employment, promotion, discipline, or removal ora particular person or
persons. (2) PBA & CSEA contract negotiations.
RESULT: ADOPTED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Jill Doherty, Councilwoman
SECONDER: Louisa P. Evans, Justice
AYES: Ruland, Talbot, Doherty, Evans, Russell
ABSENT: Albert Krupski Jr.
Executive Session - Labor
Executive Session - Litigation
Motion To: Motion to EXIT Executive Session at 2:18PM
On motion by Justice Louisa Evans, seconded by Councilman William Ruland, it was
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby EXITS from this Executive
Session at 2:18 PM
RESULT: ADOPTED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Louisa P. Evans, Justice
SECONDER: William Ruland, Councilman
AYES: Ruland, Talbot, Doherty, Evans, Russell
ABSENT: Albert Krupski Jr.
No resolutions were added to the agenda as a result of this executive session.
Pledge to the Flag
Special Presentation
Proclamation
Opening Comments
Supervisor Scott A. Russell
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Please rise and join with me in the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
Thank you. I am going to ask Mr. James McMahon to come forward please. This an awkward
irony, Jim has probably handed out more proclamations in 32 years in town government than any
of us and it is time that he finally receives one, I suppose. I am going to read this: "Whereas the
Town Board of the Town of Southold wishes to recognize James McMahon, a most dedicated
employee, as he retires from his position of Executive Assistant after 32 years of service to
Southold Town and whereas James began his career as the Director of the Southold Town
Delinquency Diversion and Prevention Program on February 9, 1981, (1 was in high school, how
was I not assigned to him?) was appointed as the Youth Coordinator/Community Development
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Director in 1982, became the Director of Program Evaluation/Program Coordinator in 1991,
served as the administrator of the Affordable Housing Program in 1992 and promoted to the
position of Executive Assistant on November 29, 1994 and whereas in addition to his many
accomplishments James has served on countless committees within the Town, is a hard-working
and loving father and grandfather and has generously volunteered his time in all parts of his
community and whereas James has provided faithful service to the residents of the Town of
Southold with his wealth of institutional knowledge and kindhearted spirit, has served as the
memory and storyteller and is a fine example of leadership and whereas James has become part
of the fabric of Southold Town government and his dedication to the Town deserves the sincere
gratitude of those with whom and for whom he served, now therefore be it Resolved that the
Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby extends their sincere appreciation and wishes
James C. McMahon a healthy, happy and prosperous retirement." Jim, from the deepest
sincerity of my heart and the heart of the entire Town Board, I want to thank you for everything
you have done.
JIM MCMAHON: Thank you. The Town Board's that I have worked with, the 7 supervisors,
the countless (inaudible) and the people that are up on the dais today are probably in that group,
one of the best. So, I thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I do want to say a couple of things, first of all, as supervisor in 2005
when I was newly elected, I came to appreciate, I worked alongside of Jim every day for many
years as an Assessor, I really came to truly appreciate just how much Jim knows about every
issue under the sun. I don't think I will fully understand it until he walks out those doors as a
retired man and we don't have that information available to us each and every day. Jim, thank
you, you have been there for everything we have asked for and you have always known who to
go to, where to go, what to do, when to do it. 1 want to thank you for the guidance you have
provided for me as supervisor of this Town. Thank you. We are going to go on with the regular
business of the Town Board. I would ask anybody that would like to comment on any of the
agenda items to please feel free and comment at this time?
John Beschh Southold
JOHN BETSCH: John Betsch, Southold. I just have a question I guess about resolution 2013-90
to due with Chapter 111. The last public hearing two weeks ago, I had asked a simple question
of why? And at that time, Bob Ghosio representing the Trustees stood over there and said the
houses on North Sea Drive are so large they cast shadows on everybody and take out the sun.
subsequently to that, he recanted that statement in the Suffolk Times saying 'I made an error. I
was actually talking about Leeton Drive.' Well, the houses on Leeton Drive do not fall within the
jurisdiction of chapter 111. They have no, there is apples and oranges, there is no effect at all.
So I am not sure why that has come to be. So it leads me back again as you are talking about
this, to chapter 111, why? And if one steps back and thinks before you do anything, you should
have a (inaudible) requirements definition. What are you trying to accomplish with a change?
And if you look at what was explained of the exponential growth of houses to what this change
is, it doesn't accomplish it. it really doesn't, you should step back and look at it and think about
what you are trying to accomplish before you do that. and I would suggest that it goes back to
the code committee to rethink exactly, if you think of the purpose of what you are tTying to do,
this change doesn't do it. but if you don't believe that, if you don't agree with that, if you do
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vote on it tonight, I would respectfully ask that you take a roll vote so it goes on the record of
who voted for what. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Would anybody else like to comment on any of the agenda items?
Please.
UNIDENTIFIED: Inaudible.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We are going to have a separate, we are going to call for public
heatings after we get the business of the agenda done. Any of the other agenda items.
UNIDENTIFIED: Inaudible.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: If it is on the agenda, you can comment on it. If it is any issue that
is not on the agenda, we will have public comment after we close the regular business of the
agenda and the public hearings. Is it an agenda item?
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: What is it regarding, ma'am?
UNIDENTIFIED: The code for dogs on beaches.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: There will be a hearing for that shortly. We are going to get some
of the agenda items done and then we will set up for a public heating.
UNIDENTIFIED: I saw on the work session agenda today that there was some sort of
discussion about turbines, wind turbines? And I wondered if you were going to ....
Supervisor Russell
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Yes, I will just clarify, i needed to bring to the attention of the
Town Board what, unfortunately what has been happening is I am getting a growing list of
complaints from neighbors who live near small wind turbine machines and I wanted the Town
Board to be aware that we passed legislations that permitted wind turbines on bona fide
agricultural operations. In no way are we suggesting that we are going to do away with that law,
what I just wanted the Board to be aware of is that it is a growing concern and I think that the
first thing we are going to do is go the Alternative and Renewable Energy Committee and have
them talk to the installers, talk to the contractors. This may very well simply be an issue of
maintenance and management of the turbine itself but there are a few turbines in town that are
creating quite a few complaints. So again, we are going to go to the contractor to see if there is a
way that perhaps this is just a maintenance issue. Anybody else? (No response)
Minutes Approval
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts the minutes dated:
Wednesday, January 02, 2013
[] Accepted Abstain
[] Accepted as Amended
[] Tabled []
William Ruland Qoter
Yes/Aye
No/Nay
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RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts the minutes dated:
Tuesday, December 18, 2012
VOte Re~ord - Motion
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
William Ruland Voter [] [] [] []
[] Accepted Christopher Talbot Second [] [] [] O
er
[313 TabledAcceptedas Amended ji!!~h~rt~ [] ~
Albert Krupski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
Louisa P. Evans Mover [] [] [2] []
Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts the minutes dated:
Wednesday, January 02, 2013
Vote Record'- Motion
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
William Ruland Voter [] [] [] F1
[] Accepted Christopher Talbot Second [] [] [] []
[] Accepted as Amended er
[] Tabled J!!! Dohe~y Vp~ 0 [] [] FI
Albefl Kmpski Jr. : Voter [] [] [] g'l
Louisa P. Evans Mover [] [] [] []
Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
V. Resolutions
2013-87
CA TEGOR Y: Audit
DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk
Approve Audit
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby approves the audit dated
January 29~ 2013.
Vote Record - Resolution RES-2013-87
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Defeated William Ruland Voter [] [] [] []
[] Tabled Christopher Talbot Second [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn
Jill Doherty Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt
Albert Krupski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt
Louisa P. Evans Mover [] [] [] []
[] Rescinded
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[] Tom Clerk's Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
El Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2013-88
CATEGOR~
DEPARTMEN~
Set Meeting
Town Clerk
Set Next Regular Meeting
RESOLVED that the next Regular Town Board Meeting of the Southold Town Board be held,
Tuesday, February 12, 2013 at the Southold Town Hall, Southold, New York at 7:30 P.M..
~ V~ R~,or~l * Re~lution RES-2013-88
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Atnended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Voter ~l [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Second [] [] [] 13
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Deheay Voter [] 12] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt ~
[] Rescinded Albert Krupski Jr. Voter [] [] [] : []
Louisa P. Evans Mover [] Fl [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt
[] Supt Hgwys Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] No Action
2013-89
Tab[ed 1/2/2013 11:00 AM, 1/15/2013 7:30 PM
CA TEGOR Y: Organizational
DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk
Appointment to the Sottthold Town Planning Board Member
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints Pierce Rafferty,
Fishers Island, to the Southold Town Planning Board effective fi.om February 13,2013 through
December 31, 2017.
Vote Record - Resolution RES-2013-89
[] Adopted Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Adopted as Amended William Ruland Voter [] [] [] []
[] Defeated Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[] Tabled Jill Doherty Mover [] [] [] D
[] Withdrawn Albert Krupski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
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[] Supervisor's Appt Louisa P. Evans Second [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt er
[] Rescinded Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
No Action
[]
Next: 1/12/13 7:30 PM
2013-90
Tabled 1/15/2013 7:30 PM
CATEGORY: Enact Local Law
DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk
Enact LL Re: Amendments to Chapter 111 and Chapter 275
WHEREAS, there had been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk
County, New York, on the 18th day of December, 2012, a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in
relation to Amendments to Chapter 111~ Coastal Erosion Hazard Areas and Further
Amendments to Chapter 275~ Wetlands and Shoreline" and
WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on the aforesaid
Local Law at which time all interested persons will be given an opportunity to be heard, now
therefore be it
RESOLVED the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ENACTS the proposed Local
Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 111~ Coastal Erosion
Hazard Areas and Further Amendments to Chapter 275, Wetlands and Shoreline" that
reads as follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. 1 of 2013
A Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 111~ Coastal
Erosion Hazard Areas and Further Amendments to Chapter 275~ Wetlands and
Shoreline".
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Soutbold as follows:
I. Purpose.
The Town of Southold has the authority to administer a Coastal Erosion Management Program
within its jurisdiction. One purpose of this chapter is to establish standards and procedures to
protect natural protective features, expanding the definition to include wetland areas. Another
purpose of this chapter is to regulate development activities in coastal areas subject to coastal
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flooding and erosion in order to prevent damage or destruction of natural protective features and
other natural resources. Regulating how to calculate the building area with more specificity will
aid in preventing unnecessary damage to the natural protective features and protect human life.
A coastal erosion management permit is necessary for the installation of cable service landward
of the shoreline structures, consistent to other similar services. Reference to Chapter 236,
recognizes certain activities that require a coastal erosion management permit and also fall
within the regulations of Stormwater Management.
II. Chapter 111 of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows:
§111-6. Definitions.
ADMINISTRATOR -- The local officials responsible for administrating and enforcing this
chapter. The Southold Town Board of Trustees is hereby designated as the "Administrator." The
Administrator designates the Southold Town Police Department, Bay Constables and the Office
of Code Enforcement as responsible for the enforcement of this Chapter.
LIVABLE FLOOR AREA -- All spaces within the exterior walls ora dwelling unit, exclusive
of garages, breezeways, unheated porches, cellars, heater rooms and approved basements having
a window area of less than 10% of the square foot area of the room. Usable floor area shall
include all spaces not otherwise excluded above, such as principal rooms, utility rooms,
bathrooms, all closets and hallways opening directly into any rooms within the dwelling unit.
MAJOR ADDITION -- An addition to a sin:crate principal building resulting in a twenty-five-
percent or greater increase in the ~q~mgmeea~e,~m~ building footprint of the
principal building other than an erosion protection structure or a pier, dock or wharf. The
increase will be calculated as the proposed li able floo area grcu d .........
including any additions to the principal building ~":~"~ ......
pr ....... j constructed under a cca~ta!
ma~at~a~p~m~ as of the enactment date of this chapter, divided by the
li bl fl fth ' · g .....· ......,~c.~ :~ ,,~:o.:~- ~,~,~ .......~- ....pr/ ip 1
building.
NATURAL PROTECTIVE FEATURE - A nearshore area, beach, bluff, primary dune,
secondary dune, wetland or marsh and their vegetation.
PRINCIPAL BUILDING - A building in which is conducted the main or principal use of the lot
on which said building is located.
UNREGULATED ACTIVITY -- Excepted activities which are not regulated by this chapter
include but are not limited to elevated walkways or stairways constructed solely for pedestrian
use and built by an individual property owner for the limited purposes of providing
noncommercial access to the beach; docks, piers, wharves or structures built on floats, columns,
open timber piles or other similar open work supports with a top surface area of less than 200
square feet or which are removed in the fall of each year; normal beach grooming or cleanup;
maintenance of structures when normal and customary and/or in compliance with an approved
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maintenance program; set up and maintenance of temporary wildlife protective structures;
planting vegetation and sand fencing so as to stabilize or entrap sand in primary dune and
secondary dune areas in order to maintain or increase the height and width of dunes; routine
agricultural operations, including cultivation or harvesting; and the implementation of practices
recommended in a soil and water conservation plan as defined in § 3, Subsection (12), of the Soil
and Water Conservation Districts Law; provided, however, that agricultural operations and
implementation of practices will not be construed to include any activity that involves the
construction or placement of a structure.
WILDLIFE PROTECTIVE STRUCTURES - Structures, temporary in nature, used for the sole
purpose of protecting nesting and habitat of wildlife species.
§111-10. Structural hazard area.
The following restrictions apply to regulated activities within structural hazard areas:
A coastal erosion management permit is required for the installation of public service
distribution, transmission or collection systems for gas, electricity, water or wastewater
and cable service. Systems installed along the shoreline must be located landward of the
shoreline structures.
§111-11. Nearshore area.
Clean sand or gravel of an equivalent or slightly larger grain size is the only material
which may be deposited within nearshore areas.-A~yq~eposi6o~ and wi!! requires a
coastal erosion management permit.
§111-12. Beach area.
Active bird nesting and breeding areas must not be disturbed unless such disturbance is
pursuant to a specific wildlife management activity approved, in writing, by the New
York State Department of Environmental Conservation.
§111-14. Bluff area.
Bluffs protect shorelands and coastal development by absorbing the often destructive energy of
open water. Bluffs are a source of depositional material for beaches and other unconsolidated
natural protective features.
The following activities are prohibited on bluffs:
(4) Disturbance of active bird nesting and breeding areas, unless such disturbance is
pursuant to a specific wildlife management activity approved, in writing, by the
New York State Department of Environmental Conservation.
§111-25. Appeal to Board of Review.
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The Coastal Erosion Hazard Board of Review may, in conformity with the provisions of this
chapter, reverse or affirm, wholly or partly, or may modify the order, requirement, decision or
determination of the Administrator, including stop or cease-and-desist orders. Notice of such
decision will forthwith be given to all parties in interest. The roles and procedures for filing
appeals are as follows:
A. Appeals may be made only by the applicant in the underlying decision.
A.B~. Appeals must be filed with the Town Clerk within 30 days of the date of the adverse
decision.
B.C._.:. All appeals made to the Coastal Erosion Hazard Board of Review must be in writing on
standard forms prescribed by the Board. The Board will transmit a copy to the
Commissioner of the New York State Department of Enviromnental Conservation for his
information.
C=.D._~. All appeals must refer to the specific provisions of this chapter involved, specify the
alleged errors, the interpretation thereof that is claimed to be correct and the relief which
the appellant claims.
§111-27. Coastal erosion management permit.
A coastal erosion management permit will be issued for regulated activities which comply with
the general standards (§ 111-9), restrictions and requirements of the applicable sections of this
chapter, provided that the following are adhered to:
Permits will be issued by and bear the name and signature of the Administrator and will
specify the:
(5) Period of permit validity. If not otherwise specified, a permit will expire olqe~e~
two years from the date of issuance.
§111-29. Powers and duties of Administrator.
The authority for administering and enforcing this chapter is hereby conferred upon the
Administrator. The Administrator has the powers and duties to:
Designate the Southold Town Police Department, Bay Constables, and/or the Office of
Code Enforcement to enforce ............................. wolanons of this Chapter and
notice of violations t~-a~ainst property owners or to other responsible persons.
III. Chapter 275 of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows:
Purpose.
In order to continue to protect the natural state of the shorelines and wetlands within the Town of
Southold, while balancing the rights of property owners, it is the purpose of these amendments to
simplify the permit process, codify and clarify existing policies and conform certain regulations
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to environmentally accepted practice.
§ 275-4. Exceptions.
The provisions of this chapter shall not require a permit for the following:
(10) Installation of new or replacement windows, roof shingles, solar panels, siding; or
doors, on existing upland structures and second story additions that are made
.............. w~thln the ......... t~ footpnnt of an existing and arc ma~,~ t~
upland, ...~,t ~,~ ....
.......... ~. .......... structure.
§ 275-11. Construction and operation standards.
General. The following standards are required for all operations within the jurisdiction of
the Trustees:
(6) Platforms.
(a) Platforms associated with stairs may not be larger than 5:3 100 square feet.
IV. SEVERABILITY
If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section, or part of this Local Law shall be adjudged by any
court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the judgment shall not affect the validity of this law
as a whole or any part thereof other than the part so decided to be unconstitutional or invalid.
V. EFFECTIVE DATE
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State as provided
~y law.
Vote Reeord- Re~olutlon RES-2013-90
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Mover [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Chrislopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Dohe~y Second [] [3 [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt
[] Rescinded Albe~l Krupski Jr Voter [] [] [] []
Louisa P Evans Voter [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt
[] Supl Hgwys Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] ----[] []
[] No Action
Comments regarding resolution 90
COUNCILMAN RULAND: I am going to say befbre I cast my ballot, them has been a
significant amount of material that has been submitted to us subsequent to the hearing which I
believe was what we had asked for and the issue is a complex one, while some of the questions
are rather simplistic in nature and some of the suggestions are that it is far over-reaching, 1
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would conclude that no matter what you do there is going to be some degree of questioning the
motive. But I do believe that to enact it is the proper thing to do so I am going to vote yes but I
also have taken in to account some of the comments that have been made of suggestions that
might, no, not might, that should immediately let us start to consider things that have been
brought up that perhaps the code may need some additional, additional tweaking based on what
we find in the number of applications that come forward. So again, I am going to say that my
vote is yes but I am open-minded enough to see that some of the suggestions may hold validity
and I think we should pursue that.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: I think I am going to relate back to one of the things that somebody
brought up, I think it was Bob Dunn regarding the dog law. I am a little, deal with this coastal
erosion stuff just about everyday with work and coastal erosion permits that have to be issued,
they have to go through a very extensive review. We had one of the members who helped write
this law who had themselves some concerns today, I think it might be a time to kick this thing
back until maybe we get as Bob was referring to, more residents here who are here during the
summer months and not now, so at this time I am not prepared to vote as it is, so I am going to
say no.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: I have worked on this with the Trustees on the Board for the
past five years and this is the best that we have come up with to clarify the intent of the State.
With that being said, I am as Bill is liking, I am open minded that we, I think that we need to
enact this and if it needs tweaking or changing, I am open minded to always make something
better but for now I think we need to move ahead with this and I vote yes.
JUSTICE EVANS: I vote yes and the reason is because I think that mostly what this law does as
pertaining to chapter 111, is it clarifies definitions so it is consistent with the intent of the
regulation and it codifies definitions, commonly used terms but most importantly it is codifying
the existing policies and practices so people know what to expect, it is what is being applied right
now. So I vote yes.
2013-91
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Property Usage
Public Works
Collegiate Baseball 2013
Financial ]mpact:
Use of Cochran Park Baseball Field fbr 2013 season subject to approval of the Town Board, scheduling
c~f the Southold Town Recreation Department and.filing Qf insurance certificate.
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby Igrants permission to
Hampton Collegiate Baseball to use the baseball field at Cochran Park for the 2013
baseball season~ subject to scheduling by the Southold Recreation Department and the applicant
filing a One Million Dollar Certificate of Insurance, with the Town Clerk, naming to Town of
Southold as additional insured, all in accordance with the approval of the Town Attorney.
,t' Vote Record - Resolution REs-2013~91
Adopted ] Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
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13 Adopted as Amended William Ruland Voter
[] Withdrawn Jill Doherty Voter
2013-92
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Public Service
Town Clerk
Appoint William P. Stengel as a Temporary Marriage Officer
RESOLVED the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints William P. Stengel as a
Temporary Marriage Officer for the Town of Southold, on Saturday, May 25, 2013 only, to serve
at no compensation.
~ Vote R~ord - Resolution
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Voter [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Mover [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Voter [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Kmpsk Jr Voter [] [] [] []
[] Rescinded : Louisa P. Evans Second [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt er
[] Supt Hgwys Appt Scott Russell ~V°ter [] [] [] []
[] No Action
2013-93
CA TE GO R Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Budget Modification
Accounting
Establish Capital Budget for 2 Hybrid Automobiles
Financial Impact:
Provide appropriation.[hr two hybrid Ford Fusions included in the 2013 Capita] Budget
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WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold adopted a 2013 Capital Budget which
includes a $28,000 appropriation for a Central Garage hybrid automobile and a $28,000
appropriation for a Human Services Department hybrid automobile, and
WHEREAS the Town's Capital Budget process requires a resolution to formally establish
Capital Budget items in the Capital Fund, now therefore be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
establishment of the following Capital Proiect in the 2013 Capital Fund:
Capital Project Name: Automobiles
Financing Method: Transfer from the General Fund Whole Town
Budget: Revenues:
H.5031.85 Interfund Transfers $56,000
Total $56,000
Appropriations:
H. 1640.2.300.200
Central Garage
Capital Outlay
Automobiles $28,000
H.6772.2.300.200 Programs for the Aging
Capital Outlay
Automobiles 28,000
Total $56,000
v' Vote Reeord- Re~olution RES-2013-93
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Second [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn
Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt
Jill Doherly Mover [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appl
[] Rescinded Albert Krupski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
Louisa P. Evans Voter [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt
[] Supt Hgwys Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] No Action
Comment regarding resolution 93
COUNCILMAN RULAND: Discussion?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Yes.
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COUNCILMAN RULAND: It is really a comment, the fleet management committee as well as
the comptroller spent time looking at this. We are elated that we have actually chosen two
vehicles that are the same, which is a part of our on-going, long term goal to standardize the fleet
to something that is at least many of a kind just for the scale of efficiencies. And even in the
toughest of times we are finding a way that we have vehicles that need to be replaced and we are
doing our homework, we are able to do it within the budget and accomplish several goals, all of
wh!ch not only bene~t ~he town but benefit the environment a~ wel!~
2013-94
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Committee Appointment
Town Clerk
Committee Members
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints the following
members to the Committee On Health Issues And Services For The Elderly, on the
recommendation of Karen McLaughlin, Chairperson:
2013 Appointees:
Paul Connor, CEO Eastern Long Island Hospital
Holly Rhodes-Teague, Director of the Suftblk County Office for the Aging
Juliet Frodella, Director of the Senior Options and Solutions Program ELIH
Jacqueline Martinez, Senior Citizens Center Manager, Town of Southold
Jean DeLorme, Adult Day Care Program Supervisor, Town of Southold
Phyllis Markopolous, Caseworker, Town of Southold Senior Services
Lynne Richards, Developmental Disabilities Program Director
Vote Record - Resolution RES-2013-94
I~ Adopted
[] Adopted asAmended Yes/Aye No/Nay : Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Mover 1~ 13 12] } []
2013-95
CATEGOR~
DEPARTMENT:
Employment - Town
Accounting
Accepts Resignation qf Amy D. Maguire-Burns
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RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts the resignation of
Amy D. Maguire-Bums from the position of Clerk in the Tax Receiver's Office, effective
January 30, 2013.
/ ¥0te Reeord 'r Res~l~on RE~'2013,95
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
Yes/Aye No~ay Abstain Absent
2013-96
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Budget Modification
Accounting
Modify 2013 Fishers Island Sewer District Budget
Financial Impact:
Reallocate Fishers island Sewer District Budget
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby increases and modifies the
2013 Fishers Island Sewer District as follows:
Increase Revenues:
SS2.5990.00
APPROPRIATED FUND BALANCE $ 3,400
Increase Appropriations:
SS2.8120.4.200.200
SS2.8120.4.200.300
SS2.8120.4.400.100
SS2.8120.4.400.200
SS2.8120.4.400.300
SS2.8120.4.600.700
ELECTRICITY
PROPANE
SEPTIC TANK INSPECTIONS
SERVICE CONTRACTS
SYSTEM MAINTENANCE/REPAIR
PERMITS
TOTAL
$ 250
5OO
2,000
5,000
19,800
350
$ 27,900
Decrease Appropriations:
SS2.1440.4.000.000 ENGINEER
SS2.8160.4.000.000 REFUSE & GARBAGE, C.E.
TOTAL
$ 12,000
12,500
$ 24,500
January 29, 2013 Page 18
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Vote Re~ord - Resolgtion RES-2013-96
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
William Ruland Voter ~ [] [] []
[] Tabled ~
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Mover [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Second [] [] [] []
el'
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Aibert Krupski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
[] Rescinded
Louisa P. Evans Voter [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt
Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
Comments regarding resolution 96
COUNCILMAN RULAND: I would like to draw credit to the Town Engineer, that his expertise
in this matter of something that is extremely important to not only the people of the Town of
Southold specifically the residents of the Fishers Island sewer district in just being able to get a
handle on the operation of the system and its budgetary requirements, certainly is noted by me
and I am sure the rest of my colleagues as well because it is very difficult when we are here and
that is there and there have been issues that needed to be addressed and he has brought a great
deal of expertise to the table and I am certainly thankful for it.
JUSTICE EVANS: He has allowed us not to have to hire professional engineers, he has been
able to do much of the work himself which is great.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: I agree.
2013-97
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Employment - Town
Accounting
Hire PT Minibus Driver - Gary Rempel
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints Gary D. Rempel
to the position of a Part-Time Mini Bus Driver for the Human Resource Center, effective
February 4, 2013 at a rate of $16.93 per hour, not to exceed 17.5 hours per week.
Vote Record - Resolution RES-2013-97
[] Adopted Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Adopted as Amended Second
William Ruland [] [] [] []
[] Deli:at ed er
[] Tabk'd Christopher Talbot Vot-'-~ [] uI FI 13
[] Withdrawn Jill Doherty Mover [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Albert Knlpski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Louisa P. Evans Votes- [] [] [] []
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[] Rescinded Scott Russell Voter [] [] -- [] []
[] Town Cl~rk's Appt
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2013-98
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Budget Modification
Police Dept
Budget Modification - Police Department
Financial Impact:
Reallocation offunds to cover overexpended budget lines in the 2012 budget.
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the 2012 General
Whole Town budget as follows:
From:
A.3120.2.500.775
A.3120.2.500.875
Police, Other Equipment
In Car Video/Computer/RAD
Police, Equipment
Other Vehicle Equipment
TOTAL
$12,000.00
$ 1,941.00
$13,941.00
To-'
A.3120.1.300.100 Police, Season/Temp Employees
Regular Earnings $13,900.00
A.3120.4.100.550 Police, C.E.
Flares, Oxygen, Ammunition 10.00
A.3130.1.100.300 Bay Constable, P.S.
Vacation Earnings 5.00
A.3130.1.100.400 Bay Constable, P.S.
Sick Earnings 13.00
A.3130.4.400.650 Bay Constable, Contracted Services
Vehicle Maintenance & Repairs 13.00
TOTAL $13,941.00
Vote Record - Resolution RES-2013-98
[] Adopted Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Adopted as Amended
William Ruland Mover [] [] [] []
[] Defeated
[] Tabled Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Jill Doherty Voter [] [] [] []
[] SupetMsor's Appt Albert Krupski Jr. Voter [] F1 [] []
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13 Tax Receiver's Appt Louisa P. Evans Second [] [] [] []
2013-99
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Budget Modification
Justice Court
2012 Budget Modification - dustice
Financial Impact:
to cover over-expended appropriation lines
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the 2012 General
Fund, Whole Town budget as follows:
TO:
A.1110.1.100.100 Full Time Employees $154.00
Regular Earnings
FROM:
A.1110.4.100.100
Supplies & Materials $154.00
Office Supplies/Stationary
Vote Record - Resolution RES-2013-99
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Defeated
; Wdliam Ruland Voter [] [] [] []
Second
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot er [] [] [] []
13 Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Voter []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt
Alberi Krapski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
[] Rescinded
Louisa P Evans Mover [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt
Scotl Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2013-100
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Budget Modification
Recreation
Budget Modification - Recreation Department
January 29, 2013 Page 21
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Financial Impact:
to cover funding for the 2013 summer concert series that was inadvertently omitted from the recreation
department's budget.
RESOLVED the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the 2013 General Fund
Whole Town to cover funding for the 2013 summer concert series as follows
From:
Youth Program Instructors A7020.4.500.420 $3,900
To:
Summer Concert Series A7020.4.600.400 $3,900
~' Vot~ ReeOrd' Resolution ~2013-100
[] Adopted
[] Adopt~ as ~n~d~ YeqAye No/Nay Abstain Absent
D ~f~t~
~ Tabl~ William Ruled Vot~ ~ ~ ; ~ ~
~ Wi~ C~stoph~ Talbot Mov~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~ Sup~isoes Appt Jill Doh~y Vot~ ~ ~ ~
~ Tax R~v~'s Appt Alb~ ~pski Jr. Voter ~ ~ ~ ~
~ R~c~d~ ~uisa P. Evans S~ond ~ ~ ~ ~
~ Town Cl~k's Appt ~ ~
~ Supt Hgw~ Appt Sgott Russell Vot~ ~ ~~ ~
~ No Action
2013-101
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Employment - Town
Accounting
Grant FMLA Leave to a Town Employee
WHEREAS Employee #4749 has been out of work due to non-work related condition since
January 11, 2013, and
WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold is required to comply with the Family
Medical Leave Act (FMLA) and the Town's collective bargaining agreement with the PBA, now
therefore be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants an FMLA leave of
absence for up to 12 weeks to Employee #4749 effective January 11, 2013.
Vote Record 7 Resolution RES~2013q01
1[] Adopted
[] Adoptedas Amended Willialn Ruland
[] Defeated __
[] Tabled Christopher Talbot
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] [] [] []
Second
Voter [] ~] [] []
January 29, 2013 Page 22
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[] Withdrawn Jill Doherty Mover
[] Supervisor's Appt Albert Krupski Jr. Voter
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Louisa P. Evans Voter
[] Rescinded Scoil Russell Voter
[] Town Clerk's Appt
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
Fl No Action
2013-102
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Employment - Town
Accounting
Accepts the Resignation of Albert .t Krupski
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts the resignation of
Albert J. Krupski from the position of Town Board Council Member for the Town Board
effective January 23,2013.
· " ~Ote Record - Re~°iuti0,, R~S'20i3;i02
[] Adopt~
~ Adopt~ as Am~d~ Yes/Aye : No/Nay Abstain Absent
~ Defeat~
D Tabl~ William Ruled Mover ~ ~ ~ ~
~ Withdrawn C~stopher Taint Vot~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~ Sup~isor's Appt Jill Doh~y Vot~ ~ ~ ~ : D
D Tax Rec~v~'s Appt Alb~ Kmpski Jr. Vot~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~ Rescind~ ~uisa P. Evans Second ~ ~ ~ ~
~ Tom Clerk's Appt
Scott Russell Voter ~ ~ D ~
~ Supt Hgwys Appt ~
~ No Action
Comments regarding resolution 102
COUNCILMAN RULAND: I would say personally with sincerest thanks for his many years of
service.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I am going to also say, we plan on having him come back to say a
proper good-bye. We look forward to that when his schedule will allow and it is probably going
to be a lot less polite than the way we said good-bye to Jim because we are going to roast him.
We are looking forward to it and we wish him the best of luck.
2013-103
CATEGORY: Contracts, Lease & Agreements
January 29, 2013 Page 23
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DEPARTMENT: Town Attorney
No Cost Time Extension/Contract C303426
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs
Supervisor Scott A. Russell to execute the Amendment to State Assistance Contract Form
between the Town of Southold and the New York State Department of Environmental
Conservation in connection with a no-cost extension of time extending the term of Contract
#C303426 (Peconic Bay Estuary Program) to March 31, 2014, subject to the approval of the
Town Attorney.
Vote Record - Re~olntion RES-2013-103
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
Yes/Aye : No/Nay Abstain Absent
Jill Doherty Voter [] [] [] []
2013-104
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Contracts, Lease & Agreements
Town Attorney
1MA W/Greenport Village Records' Management
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs
Supervisor Scott A. Russell to execute the Intermunicipal Agreement between the Town of
Southold and the Village of Greenport in connection with the Town's Records Management
System and coordinated assessment services, subject to the approval of the Town Attorney.
Vote Record - Resolution RES-2013-104
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Del~aled William Ruland Voter [] [] [] []
[] Tabled Christopher lalbot Mover [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Jill Doherty Voter [] [] [] []
[3 Supervisor% Appt Albert Krupski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Second
Louisa P. Evans [] [] [] []
[] Rescinded er
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scott RusSell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
January 29, 2013 Page 24
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I
2013-105
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Contracts, Lease & Agreements
Town Attorney
No Cost Time Extension/Contract C006975
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs
Supervisor Scott A. Russell to execute the Modification Agreement Form between the Town of
Southold and the New York State Department of State in connection with a no-cost extension of
time extending the term of Contract #C006975 (Developing Priority Impaired Waterbody and
SGA Subwatershed Management Plans) to April 20, 2014, subject to the approval of the Town
Attorney.
,r ¥oto~d - R~oluflon RES-2013-I05
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Defeated · - ,
[] Tabled William Ruland Second [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn
Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt
Jill Doher~y Mover [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt ·
[] Rescinded Albert Kmpski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
Louisa P. Evans Voter [] ' ~ [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt
Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2013-106
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Contracts, Lease & Agreements
Solid Waste Management District
Sandy Storm Debris IMA
WHEREAS the Town of Southold has been able to utilize capacity at the Brookhaven Landfill
through arrangements made through the Suffolk County Office of Emergency Management and
the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) for the disposal of debris resulting fi.om
Hurricane Sandy; and
WHEREAS the Town of Southold is permitted to pass tip fee and other charges relating to such
disposal directly to FEMA under the rules allowed by the federal disaster declaration issued in
response to Sandy, as opposed to seeking reimbursement later; and
January 29, 2013 Page 25
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WHEREAS a formal agreement between the Town of Southold and Town of Brookhaven is
necessary to authorize Brookhaven to submit charges incurred relating to disposal of Southold
debris to FEMA; it is hereby
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold authorizes and directs Supervisor
Scott A. Russell to execute an intermunicipal agreement (IMA) with the Town of Brookhaven
such that Brookhaven can submit Sandy debris disposal charges to F£MA on behalf of the Town
of Southold, all in accordance with the approval of the Town Attorney.
Vote Record * Resolution RES-2013-106
[] Adopted
[2] Adopted as Amended Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
~ Defeated
[] Tabled William Ruland ~ ~ 0 [] []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] ~ [] []
[] Supe~isor's Appt Jill Doherty Voter [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Krapski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
r3 Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Second [] [] 12] []
[2] Town Clerk's Appt er
[] Supt Hgwys Appt scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] No Action
2013-107
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Budget Modification
Public Works
DPW Building & Grounds Budget Mod
Financial Impact:
Budget modification to cover shortfall in several budget lines
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southotd hereby modifies the 2012 Building
& Grounds Whole Town budget as follows:
From:
A.1620.1.100.100
Regular Earnings $11,910
Total $11,910
To:
A.t 620.1.100.200 Overtime Earnings $ 5,400
A. 1620.1.100.300 Vacation Earnings 4,818
A. 1620.1.100.400 Sick Earnings 248
A. 1490.1.100.100 Public Works Administration 2
A.1620.4.600.200 Refuse Disposal 194
A.1620.4.600.400 Travel 1,232
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A.5182.1.100.200 Overtime Earnings 16
Total $ 11,910
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
Jili D°herty Voter Wl U E] 1~
Louisa P. Evans Mover [] ~ ~ ~
2013-108
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Close/Use Town Roads
Town Clerk
Grant Permission for the Event Power to Hold It's "15Th Annual Mighty North Fork Triathlon"
Financial Impact:
Total police Department Cost for Event = $607.60
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants permission for the
Event Power to hold it's "15tb Annual Mighty North Fork Triathlon", at Cedar Beach Park,
Southold, New York, on Sunday, July 14~ 2013 using the following roads:
Cedar Beach Road
Jacobs Lane
Harbor Light Road
Dayton Road
Baywater Avenue
Nokomis Road
Watersedge Way
Paradise Point Road
N. Bayview Road
Windjammer Drive
North Parish Drive
South Harbor
Minnihaha Blvd.
Rambler Road
Main Bayview Road
Brigantine Drive
Anchor Lane
Pine Neck Road
Hiawathas Path
Longview Lane
Provided:
1. They file with the Town Clerk a One Million Dollar Certificate of Insurance naming the
Town of Southold as an additional insured; a $100 filing fee; a remuneration tee of
$610.00 for traffic control; $500.00 deposit for clean-up (deposit to be returned after
event upon recommendation of Chief Flatley, Southold Town Police Department);
2. Make every eflbrt to control noise;
3. Comply with Chapter 205 of the Southold Town Code to notify neighbors in advance of
event;
4. Secure permission from Suffolk County Parks, Recreation and Conservation for their use
of Cedar Beach Park facility.
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5. Coordinate traffic control upon notification of the adoption of this resolution with Chief
Flatley
6. No permanent markings be placed on town, county or state roads or property for the
event;
7. Any road markings or signs for the event be removed within twenty-four (24) hours of
the completion of the event.
Support is for this year only, as the Southold Town Board continues to evaluate the use of town
roads.
Vote Ree0rd - Reaolution RE8-2013-108
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Voter [] 0 [] []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Mover [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doher~y Voter [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Kmpski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Second [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt er
Scott Russell Voter ~ [] Fa []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2013-109
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Trailer Permit
Town Attorney
Set Trailer Permit Fees Effective 1/1/13
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby sets the following fees for
the Town Clerk's Office, effective January 1, 2013:
Permits for trailers on land used in Agricultural production $200.00 annually
Vote Record - Resolution RES-2013~109
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Second [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn
Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt
Jill Dohe~iy Mover [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt
[] Rescinded Albert Kmpski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
Louisa P. Evans Voter [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt
[] Supt Hgwys Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] No Action
January 29, 2013 Page 28
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2013-110
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Refund
Solid Waste Management District
Tip Fee Refund
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes a tip fee refund to
Daniel Petrie in the amount of $51.60 fur Hurricane Sandy storm debris inadvertently charged as
non-storm debris on January 7, 2013.
~' ¥otg R~rd - Resolution RES-2013-110
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
I-I Tabled William Ruland Mover ga [] [] : []
[] Withdrawn Chhstopher Talbot Voter [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Voter [] [] [] ~ []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Kmpski Jr. Voter [] []
[2] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Second [] : [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt er
Scott Russell : Voter
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2013-111
CATEGOR~
DEPARTMEN~
Public Service
Town Attorney
Waive Building Permit Fees
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby waives Trustees' permit fees
for any repairs or construction, that in the sole discretion of the Board of Trustees, are
determined to be related to Superstorm Sandy, until March 1,2013.
Vote Record - Resolution RES-2013-111
[~1 Adopted Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Adopted as Amended
William Ruland Voter [~ [] [] []
[] Defeated .
[] Tabled Christopher Talbot Second [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Jill Doherty Voter [] [] [] []
[3 Supervisor's Appt Albe~l Kmpski Jr. Voter [] [] [] -- []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Louisa P. Evans Mover [~ [] [] []
[] Rescinded
Scot~ Russell Voter [] ' [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
January 29, 2013 Page 29
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[] No Action
2013-112
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Public Service
Town Attorney
Waive Building Permit Fees
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby waives building permit fees
for any repairs or construction, that in the sole discretion of the Building Inspector, are
determined to be related to Superstorm Sandy, until March 1,2013.
~' Vot~ ~ - Resolution RgS-2013-11~
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Am~ded Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
2013-113
CA TE GO R Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Public Service
Town Attorney
Waive Tip Fees
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby waives tipping fees for
disposal of storm related yard, household and construction/demolition debris only, until March 1,
2013.
Vote Record - Resolution RES=2013-113
fi] Adopted Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Adopted as Amended Second
William Ruland [] [] [] []
[] Defeated er
[] Tabled Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Jill Doherty Mover [~ [] ~ ~ []
[] Supervisor's Appt Albe~ Kmpski Jr Voter [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appl Louisa P. Evans Voter [] [] [] []
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[] Rescinded Scott Russell Votec [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk*s Appt
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2013-114
CA TE GO R Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Budget Modification
Human Resource Center
Modification pf ADC Donations to DPW for Improvements/Repairs to Katinka House Entry
Financial Impact:
Modification of donations to ADC to DPW Buildings and Grounds for needed improvements/repairs to
entrance enclosure and door of Katinka House.
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby increases the 2013 General
Fund Whole Town budget as follows:
Revenues:
A.2705.50 Adult Day Care Donations $2,200
Appropriations:
A.1620.4.400.100 Buildings Maintenance & Repairs $2,200
/ V0i~ R~ard .~ ResotUti0n ~10 i~i i,t
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Mover [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Second [] [] [] []
ef
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Aibe~ Krupski ~rl voter [] [] [] []
[] Rescinded
Louisa P. Evans Voter [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt
Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2013-115
CA TE GO R Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Budget Modification
Accounting
Create Capital Budget for Computers', Laptops, Printers
Financial Impact:
Formally create project in 2013 Capital Budget.[br personal computers, laptops and printers
January 29, 2013 Page 31
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WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold adopted a 2013 Capital Budget which
includes a $38,000 appropriation for Personal Computers, Laptops and Printers and
WHEREAS the Town's Capital Budgeting process requires a resolution to formally establish a
Capital Budget item in the Capital Fund, now therefore be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the
establishment of the following Capital Proiect in the 2013 Capital Fund:
Capital Proiect Name: Personal Computers
Financing Method:
Budget: Revenues:
H.5031.35
Appropriations:
H. 1680.2.600.100
Transfer from General Fund Whole Town
Interfund Transfers
Central Data Processing
Capital Outlay
Workstations & Printers
$38,000
$38,000
Vote Record - ReSOlution RES-2013-i15
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Defeated
[] Tabled William Ruland Voter [] [3 [3 [3
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Second [] [] FI []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt
[] Rescinded Albert Krupski Jr. Voter [] [] [] ~ I~1
Louisa P. Evans Mover [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt
Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] U]
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2013-116
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Contracts, Lease & Agreements
Town Attorney
Agreement W/SC O/ffice./br Aging/lllC Nutrition Programs
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs
Supervisor Scott A. Russell to execute the Consultant/Personal Services Contract between the
Suffolk County Office for the Aging and the Town of Southold for the IIIC Nutrition Programs,
for the period January 1, 2013 through December 31, 2013, for congregate and home delivered
meals fbr the elderly, at no cost to the Town, subject to the approval of the Town Attorney.
January 29, 2013 Page 32
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Vote Retord - Resolution RES-2013-116
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Araended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Voter [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Mover [] [] [] " []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Voter ~ [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Krupski Jr. Voter [] [] [] [~]
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Second [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt '
Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2013-117
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Support/Non-Support Resolution
Town Attorney
Support NYS Regarding Proposed Laws Concerning Contact In formation for Vacant Structures
WHEREAS, vacant, abandoned and foreclosed homes and structures have proliferated
throughout New York State over the last five years with many existing in the Town of Southold;
and
WHEREAS, vacant structures that are not maintained for months at a time degrade and
depreciate the value of the vacant structure as well as the value of surrounding properties; and
WHEREAS, lending institutions that hold mortgages on said vacant structures do not always
provide the contact information of a responsible party; and
WHEREAS, Assembly Bill A.88 and Assembly Bill A.824, currently pending, would make it
mandatory for lending institutions to provide contact information of responsible parties regarding
vacant structures; and require good faith in obtaining a foreclosure; and
WHEREAS, the Town of Southold Town Board supports the passage of said Bills.
NOW THEREFORE, BE iT RESOLVED that the Town of Southold hereby supports the
passage of said Bills and respectfully requests that the State Representatives who represents
constituents in the Town of Southold support the passage of said Bills.
Copies of this resolution to be forwarded to Senator LeValle, Assemblyman Losquadro, and
Assemblyman Keams, sponsor of these Bills.
Vote Record - Resolution RES-2013-117
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
January 29, 2013 Page 33
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[] Defeated Second
William Ruland [] [] [] []
2013-118
CATEGOR~
DEPARTMEN~
Public Service
Town Attorney
US EPA SEIS Comments for Evaluating Potential Designation qf One or More Ocean Dredged Material
Disposal Sites (ODMDS)
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes Supervisor Scott
A. Russell to submit comments on behalf of the Town Board to the U.S. Environmental
Protection Agency (New England Region) regarding the Notice of Intent to Prepare a
Supplemental Environmental lmpact Statement (SEIS) for the purpose of evaluating the potential
designation of one or more Ocean Dredged Material Disposal Sites (ODMDS) to serve the
Eastern Long Island Sound Region, including New York, Connecticut and Rhode Island, subject
to the approval of the Town Attorney.
4' Yore R~rd - Resolution RESt2013-118
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Mover [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Voter ~ F1 [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Second [] [] [] []
er
[] Tax Receiver's Appt
[] Rescinded Albert Krupski Jr Voter [] [] [] []
Louisa P. Evans Voter [] [] [] ~ []
[] Town Clerk's Appt
[] Supt Hgwys Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] No Action
2013-119
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Employment - Town
Accounting
January 29, 2013 Page 34
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Appoint .lames McMahon PT Land Management Specialist H
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints James McMahon
to the position of a Part-Time Land Management Specialist II for the Land Preservation
Department, effective January 31, 2013, at a rate of $28.1540 per hour, not to exceed 17.5 hours
,er weeK.
~ Vote ReCOrd - Re~olUfl0n RE~.2013-119
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Voter ~ ' 13 Iq lq
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] [3
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Deheity Second [] [] : [] []
er
[]
Tax
Receivel's
Appt
Albert Krupski J~. Voter [] [] [] []
[] Rescinded
Louisa P. Evans Mover El [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt
[] Supt Hgwys Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] ~ [] []
[] No Action
2013-120
CA TEGOR Y: Seqra
DEPARTMENT: Town Attorney
LL?Dogs on Beaches SEQRA
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby determines that the
proposed Local Law entitled "A Local Law in Relation to Amendments to Chapter 193~
Parks and Recreation Areas~ in connection with Dogs or Domestic Animals on Town
Recreational Areas" is classified as a Type II action pursuant to SEQRA rules and
regulations, and is not subject to further review under SEQRA and is consistent with the LWRP
pursuant to Chapter 268 of the Town Code of the Town of Southold, Waterfront Consistency
Review.
Vote Record - Resolution RES-2013-120
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Voter [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Move~ [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Voter [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Krupski Jr. Voter [3 [] [] El
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Second [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt er
Scott Russell Voter [] lq D []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt ~
[] No Action
January 29, 2013 Page 35
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2013-121
cA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Seqra
Town Attorney
LL/LiO & LI Use Regulations SEQRA
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby determines that the
proposed Local Law entitled "A Local Law in Relation to Amendments to Chapter 280~
Zoning~ in connection with Use Regulations within the Light Industrial Park/Planned
Office Park {LIt} District and Light Industrial (LI} District and Retail Sales" is classified
as a Type II action pursuant to SEQRA roles and regulations, and is not subject to further
review under SEQRA and is consistent with the LWRP pursuant to Chapter 268 of the Town
Code of the Town of Southold Waterfront Consistency Review.
Vote R~ord - Rr~olutton RES-2013~121 '
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
Second
[] Tabled William Ruland [] [] [] 13
[3 Withdrawn Christopher Talb0t ~ [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt
Jill Doherty Mover [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt
[3 Rescinded Albert Krupski Jr. Voter [] [] [] ' []
Louisa P. Evans Voter [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt ~
Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2013-122
CA TE GO R Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Enact Local Law
Town Clerk
Enact Chapter 193 Dogs
TO BE WITHDRAWN
WHEREAS there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk
County, New York, on the 2nd day of January, 2013, a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in
relation to Amendments to Chapter 193~ Parks and Recreation Areas~ in connection with
Dogs or Domestic Animals on Town Recreational Areas", and
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WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold will hold a public hearing on the
aforesaid Local Law at which time all interested persons were given an opportunity to be heard,
now therefor be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ENACTS the proposed Local
Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 193~ Parks and
Recreation Areas~ in connection with Dogs or Domestic Animals on Town Recreational
Areas" reads as follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. 2013
A Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 193~ Parks and
Recreation Areas~ in connection with Dogs or Domestic Animals on Town Recreational
Areas".
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
I. Purpose.
The purpose of these Amendments is to protect the health, safety and wellbeing of
residents using Town recreational areas by enacting regulations pertaining to dogs and
other domestic animals on Town-owned recreational areas, beaches, children's play
areas, picnic areas and athletic fields.
II. Chapter 193 of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows:
§193-3.1. Regulations concerning dogs or domestic animals.
A. Prohibition. No person shall bring a dog or other domestic animal onto:
1. recreation areas, picnic areas, children's pla,/areas and/or athletic fields
that are posted with signage indicating "No Dogs or Domestic Animals
Allowed" or "Dogs or Domestic Animals Prohibited";
2. bathing beaches during such times that a lifeguard is on duty;
3. an area that is within 50 feet of any recreation area that is posted for
protection of piping plovers and other endangered species.
B. Dogs or other domestic animals are permitted on all other recreational areas
unless specifically prohibited in § 193-3.1 (A), subject to the following:
1. All dogs or domestic animals shall be under immediate supervision and
control of the owner or other responsible person (the owner or responsible
person has the ability to leash the dog or other animal immediately).
2. All dogs or domestic animals brought onto children's play areas, picnic
areas or athletic fields shall be leashed at all times.
C. All dog or domestic animal waste shall be removed in accordance with §83-
28(B).
D. The Superintendent may, in his or her discretion, promulgate additional roles and
regulations as necessary.
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IlL SEVERABILITY
If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section, or part of this Local Law shall be adjudged by any
court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the judgment shall not affect the validity of this law
as a whole or any part thereof other than the part so decided to be unconstitutional or invalid.
IV. EFFECTIVE DATE
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State as provided
by law.
~Vote Reeord- Reaolution RES-2013-122
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled Second
William Ruland [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn er
[] Supervisor's Appt ~si0pfier Talbot Voter [] [] 0
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Mover [] [] [] []
[] Rescinded Albert Krupski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
[] Town Cl~k's Appt Louisa P. Evans Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
No Action
[]
Next: 2/12/13 7:30 PM
2013-123
CA TE G OR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Enact Local Law
Town Clerk
Enact Chapter 280, LIO & L1
WHEREAS there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk
County, New York, on the 2nd day of January, 2013, a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in
relation to Amendments to Chapter 280~ Zoning, in connection with Use Regulations within
the Light Industrial Park/Planned Office Park (LIO) District and Light Industrial (LI)
District and Retail Sales" and
WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on the aforesaid
Local Law at which time all interested persons were given an opportunity to be heard, now
therefor be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ENACTS the proposed Local
Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 280~ Zoning~ in
connection with Use Regulations within the Light Industrial Park/Planned Office Park
(LIO) District and Light Industrial (LI) District and Retail Sales" reads as follows:
January 29, 2013 Page 38
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LOCAL LAW NO. 2013
A Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 280~ Zoning~ in
connection with Use Regulations within the Light Industrial Park/Planned Office Park
(LIO) District and Light Industrial (LI) District and Retail Sales".
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
Purpose.
It is the intent and purpose of this law to allow retail sales areas within bonafide Light
Industrial Park uses and Light Industrial uses to further the viability and stability of such
uses in the Town of Southold if certain requirements are met. It is also the intent of this
law to preserve property values and the health, safety and welfare of the community.
II. Chapter 280 of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows:
ARTICLE XIV
Light Industrial Park/Planned Office Park (LIO) District
§280-58. Use regulations.
B. Uses permitted by special exception of the Board of Appeals. The following uses are
permitted as a special exception by the Board of Appeals as hereinafter provided, subject
to site plan approval by the Planning Board:
(9) Retail sale of items manufactured, assembled, processed and produced on site,
subiect to the following conditions:
(a)The premises is located within a designated Hamlet Locus
(HALO) zone;
(b) Retail floor area shall be no more than 15% of the gross floor area of the
building, including all areas having public access, not to exceed 2,000
square feet.
(c) Adequate on-site parking must be available for the retail sales area as
determined by the Planning Board and as set forth in §280-78;
(d)Resale of items produced off site is prohibited;
(e) Should a site contain multiple LIO uses, such uses may utilize a single
retail sales area. In such instances, the single retail floor area shall be no
more than 15% of the total combined gross floor area of all such uses,
including all areas having public access (not to exceed 2,000 square feet).
(t)Outdoor storage and display of retail items is prohibited.
ARTICLE XV
Light Industrial (LI) District
§280-62. Use regulations.
B. Uses permitted by special exception of the Board of Appeals. The following uses are
permitted as a special exception by the Board of Appeals as hereinafter provided and
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subject to site plan approval by the Planning Board:
(9) Retail sale of items manufactured, assembled, processed and produced on site,
subject to the following conditions:
(a)The premises is located within a designated Hamlet Locus
(HALO) zone;
(b) Retail floor area shall be no more than 15% of the gross floor area of the
building, including all areas having public access, not to exceed 2,000
square feet;
(c) Adequate on-site parking must be available for the retail sales area as
determined by the Planning Board and as set forth in §280-78;
(d)Resale of items produced off site is prohibited;
(e) Should a site contain multiple LI uses, such uses may utilize a single retail
sales area. In such instances, the single retail floor area shall be no more
than 15% of the total combined ~oss floor area of all such uses, including
all areas having public access (not to exceed 2,000 square feet).
(fl Outdoor storage and display of retail items is prohibited.
III. SEVERABILITY
If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section, or part of this Local Law shall be adjudged by any
court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the judgment shall not affect the validity of this law
as a whole or any part thereof other than the part so decided to be unconstitutional or invalid.
IV. EFFECTIVE DATE
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State as provided
by law.
Vote Record - Resolution RES-2013~123
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled Second
William Ruland [] [3 [] []
[] Wilhdrawn er
[] Supervisor's Appt Christopher lalbot Voter [] [] ~ []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Jill Doherty Mover [] [] [] []
[] Rescinded Albert Krupski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P. Evans Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
No Action
[]
Next: 2/12/13 7:30 PM
2013-124
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Property Acquisition Purchase
Land Preservation
January 29, 2013 Page 40
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Mayne Open Space Property Acquisition
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on the 29th day of
January, 2013 on the question of adding a parcel owned by Frederick H. Mayne to the Town's
Community Preservation Fund Eligible Parcel List and for purchasing fee title to said parcel for
open space purposes, pursuant to the provisions of Chapter 17 (Community Preservation Fund)
and Chapter 185 (Open Space Preservation) of the Town Code of the Town of Southold, at
which time all interested parties were given the opportunity to be heard; and
WHEREAS, said property is identified as SCTM #1000-68.-4-11 and 2732 Soundview Avenue,
Peconic, New York, and is located between the southerly side of Soundview Avenue and
northerly side of CR48 in Peconic in the R-80 zoning district; and
WHEREAS, the open space acquisition is for fee title of 2.5075 acres, as per a survey dated
January 31, 2003 by Peconic Surveyors, P.C. The purchase price is $12,537.50 (twelve thousand
five hundred thirty-seven dollars and fifty cents) based on an accepted offer of $5,000.00 (five
thousand dollars) per acre. The seller may claim a bargain sale; and
WHEREAS, the subject property will be added to the Community Preservation Project Plan
Eligible Parcel List and its purchase will be funded by the Community Preservation Fund as the
purpose of the acquisition is for the preservation of open space, aquifer recharge and wetland
protection. The property will remain in its undisturbed natural state; and
WHEREAS, the purchase of this property is in conformance with the provisions of Chapter 17
(Community Preservation Fund) Chapter 185 (Open Space Preservation) of the Town Code of
the Town of Southold; and
WHEREAS, the proposed action has been reviewed pursuant to Chapter 268 (Waterfront
Consistency Review) of the Town Code and the Local Waterfront Revitalization Program
(LWRP) and the LWRP Coordinator has determined that this action is consistent with the
LWRP; and
WHEREAS, as per Chapter 117 (Transfer of Development Rights) of the Code of the Town of
Southold, Section 117-5, the Land Preservation Coordinator and the Town Board have reviewed
the acquisition and have determined that sanitary flow credits will not be transferred from this
property; and
WHEREAS, the Land Preservation Committee has reviewed the application for the acquisition
and recommends that the Town Board acquires the property; and
WHEREAS, the Town Board deems it in the best public interest that the Town of Southold
purchase fee title to the subject property tbr the purpose of the preservation of open space,
aquifer recharge and wetlands protection, and to allow the property to remain in its undisturbed
natural state; and
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WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Southold classifies this action as an Unlisted
Action pursuant to the SEQRA Rules and Regulations, 6NYCRR 617.1 et. Seq.; and,
WHEREAS, the Town of Southold is the only involved agency pursuant to SEQRA Rules and
Regulations; and,
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Southold accepted the Short Environmental Form
for this project that is attached hereto; now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby finds no significant impact
on the environment and declares a negative declaration pursuant to SEQRA Rules and
Regulations for this action; and, be it further
RESOLVED that the subject property is hereby added to the Community Preservation Project
Plan Eligible Parcel List and a copy of the plan shall be filed with the Commissioner of
Environmental Conservation, the Commissioner of Agriculture and Markets, and the
Commissioner of the Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation; and, be it further
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby elects to purchase fee title to
property owned by Frederick H. Mayne, identified as SCTM //1000-68.-4-11. The proposed
action has been reviewed pursuant to Chapter 268 (Waterfront Consistency Review) of the Town
Code and the LWRP and the Town Board has determined that this action is consistent with the
LWRP. The Town Board has reviewed the acquisition and has determined that sanitary flow
credits will not be transferred from this property.
~ V6te Ree0~d - Resolutlog, RE8-2013-124
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
~ Defeated
Second
[] Tabled William Ruland [] [] [] []
er
[] Withdrawn
Christopher Talbot : Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt
Jill Doherty Mover [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt
[] Rescinded
Louisa P. Evans Voter [] [] [] []
[3 Town Clerk's Appt
VI. Public Hearings
Motion To: Motion to recess to Public Hearing
RESOLVED that this meeting of the Southold Town Board be and hereby is declared
Recessed in order to hold a public hearing.
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RESULT: ADOPTED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Jill Doherty, Councilwoman
SECONDER: Scott Russell, Supervisor
AYES: Ruland, Talbot, Doherty, Evans, Russell
ABSENT: Albert Kmpski Jr.
PH 1/29/13 ~ 4:32 PM LL Dogs on Beaches
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, there has been presented to the
Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, on the 2nd day of January,
2013, a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 193~ Parks
and Recreation Areas~ in connection with Dogs or Domestic Animals on Town Recreational
Areas", and
NOTICE IS HEREBY FURTHER GIVEN that the Town Board of the Town of Southold will
hold a public hearing on the aforesaid Local Law at Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road,
Southold, New York, on the th
29 day of January, 2013, at 4:32 p.m. at which time all interested
persons will be g/ven an opportunity to be heard.
The proposed Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 193~
Parks and Recreation Areas~ in connection with Dogs or Domestic Animals on Town
Recreational Areas" reads as follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. 2013
A Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 193~ Parks and
Recreation Areas~ in connection with Dogs or Domestic Animals on Town Recreational
Areas".
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
I. Purpose.
The purpose of these Amendments is to protect the health, safety and wellbeing of
residents using Town recreational areas by enacting regulations pertaining to dogs and
other domestic animals on Town-owned recreational areas, beaches, children's play
areas, picnic areas and athletic fields.
II. Chapter 193 of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows:
§193-3.1. Regulations concerning dogs or domestic animals.
A. Prohibition. No person shall bring a dog or other domestic animal onto:
1. recreation areas, picnic areas, children's play areas and/or athletic fields
that are posted with signage indicating "No Dogs or Domestic Animals
Allowed" or "Dogs or Domestic Animals Prohibited";
2. bathing beaches during such times that a lifeguard is on duty;
3. an area that is within 50 feet of an,/recreation area that is posted tbr
January 29, 2013 Page 43
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protection of piping plovers and other endangered species.
Dogs or other domestic animals are permitted on all other recreational areas
unless specifically prohibited in § 193-3.1 (A), subject to the following:
1. All dogs or domestic animals shall be under immediate supervision and
control of the owner or other responsible person (the owner or responsible
person has the ability to leash the dog or other animal immediately).
2. All dogs or domestic animals brought onto children's play areas, picnic
areas or athletic fields shall be leashed at all times.
All dog or domestic animal waste shall be removed in accordance with §83-
28(B).
The Superintendent may, in his or her discretion, promulgate additional rules and
regulations as necessary.
III. SEVERABILITY
If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section, or part of this Local Law shall be adjudged by any
court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the judgment shall not affect the validity of this law
as a whole or any part thereof other than the part so decided to be unconstitutional or invalid.
IV. EFFECTIVE DATE
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State as provided
by law.
I have a notice that it was posted on the January 17, 2013 in the Suffolk Times and a notice that
it was posted January 9, 2013 on the Town Clerk's bulletin board. We have a letter from Suffolk
County, "Pursuant to the requirements of A 14-14 through A 14-25 of the Suffolk County
Administrative Code, the above referenced application which has been submitted to the Suffolk
County Planning Commission is considered to be a matter for local determination as there is no
apparent significant county-wide or inter-community impacts and a decision of local
determination should not be considered as either an approval or a disapproval." I have a letter
from LWRP coordinator and Principal Planner Mark Terry which as stated before is consistent
with the LWRP policy standards and it is a type II action, SEQRA regulations. We had quite a
bit of communication on this, from the Audubon of New York "On behalf of Audubon New
York, the state program of the National Audubon Society representing 50,000 members, I would
like to offer the following comments regarding the proposed amendments to chapter 193 of town
code, a local law entitled a local law in relation to amendments to chapter 193, parks and
recreation areas, in connection with dogs or domestic animals on town recreational areas. The
mission of Audubon New York is to conserve and restore natural ecosystems, focusing on birds,
other wildlife and their habitats tbr the benefit of humanity and the earth's biological diversity.
Coastal environments support some of the worlds' highest diversities of birds as well as some of
its largest migratory and breeding congregations. Audubon New York is committed to the
protection of these habitats and coastal bird species and its Long Island Bird Conservation
program directly addresses the conservation needs of those species. Of particular concern on
Long Island are the piping plovers (state endangered and federally threatened) and the least tern
(state threatened). These ground nesting species are vulnerable to disturbances and predators-
including pets. Dogs not only have the potential to crush or eat eggs if they enter fenced nesting
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areas but also pose a risk to flightless chicks that use unfenced areas to forage. The presence of
both leashed and unleashed dogs, even outside of fenced areas causes adult birds to flush from
their nests and chicks, and unattended eggs or chicks are vulnerable to predation and extreme
temperatures. The beaches in the Town of Southold provide critical nesting habitat for piping
plovers and least terns. Eight beaches owned by the Town of Southold are surveyed annually
during the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation's Long Island colonial
waterbird survey for beach nesting bird species. These sites have historically supported nesting
piping plovers and or least terns and contain suitable habitat for these species. Of those eight
sites, four regularly support nesting piping plovers and least terns. To help ensure successful
nesting of these species on Town of Southold beaches we recommend that dogs are prohibited
from the following sites from April Ist and August 31st each year: Kenney's Beach, Southold;
McCabe's Beach, Southold; Gull Pond, Greenport; Little Creek, Cutchogue. In addition, all
potential nesting sites should be monitored annually for the presence of nesting piping plovers
and least terns and if these species are nesting at additional sites, the town should prohibit dogs
on those beaches for the duration of the breeding season, April 1st through August 31st. Through
many years of overseeing beach nesting bird stewardship at these sites, our local chapter, North
Fork Audubon Society, has the expertise necessary to assess these beaches and advise the town if
additional sites are found to be active. Piping plovers are a federally threatened and state
endangered species and as such are protected under the endangered species act of 1973.
Intentional or unintentional take, defined as harass, harm, pursue, hunt, shoot, wound, kill, trap,
capture or collect or to attempt to engage in any such conduct of this species is prohibited and
landowners assume the responsibility if take occurs on a property. Prohibiting dogs from
beaches with nesting piping plovers not only benefits the birds but also benefits the town by
eliminating the possibility that dogs would lead to an unintentional take. We appreciate your
consideration of this important conservation issue and are happy to speak with you about it
further if you have any questions. Sincerely, Kerri Dikun Long Island bird conservation
coordinator." And there was numerous other letters that came into the town as well as emails
and they will be on record in the Town Clerk's office if anyone would like to them all. That is it.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Scott, before you invite other people to talk, in speaking with
people and ongoing research, I find that in the proposal being made, it is really unclear with our
other specs in chapter 83 and I would like to propose to add to the proposal that we have tonight,
a purpose and I will read as follows: 'the purpose of these amendments is to protect the health,
safety and well-being of residents using town recreational areas by enacting regulations
pertaining to dogs and other domestic animals on town owned recreational areas: bathing
beaches, children's play areas, picnic areas and athletic fields. Nothing herein is intended to
supersede, replace, invalidate or rescind the provisions of sections 83-6 of the town code
governing dogs running at large in all other areas.' I just wanted to make that clear that in doing
this proposed code, it does not supersede our other code.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I would invite anybody that would like to comment on this local
law? I just want to remind everybody that before you speak we need your name and the hamlet
you reside in for the record.
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NICHOLAS MORTENSEN: Thank you Supervisor Russell and members of the council for
letting me speak. My name is Nicholas Mortensen, I own property at 1560 Bailie Beach Road in
Mattituck. It is approximately 500 feet fi.om Long Island Sound. My family has owned that
property since 1979. As far as, I would like to address the leashing of dogs on beaches in
general and waste pickup. On sub paragraph B, section 1 it says the responsible person should
have the ability to leash the dog and be in control of the dog immediately. It is my observation
over the last 30 some odd years, that the people that bring their dogs to the beach always say they
are in control of their dogs. In control of your dog, when you say that, you leave a wide gap of
what somebody could do. Somebody could be in control of their dog, their dog could be 100 feet
away. Another dog could be five feet away and not in control. If it was that they had to be
leashed at all times, that is a different story. I walk my dog down on Bailie Beach quite often, he
is always leashed. In the last two years he has been attacked twice by other dogs. Once by a
Rottweiler that the woman was standing right next to him. And another one where the owners of
the dog was 100 feet away shouting at his dogs to stop. Both times I had to use a piece of
driftwood to protect my dog. So I believe that if dogs are going to be on the beach at all, they
should be leashed at all times. The second is, the pickup of waste. I have noticed that most of
the people that bring these dogs to the beach don't want to pickup the waste. That is why they
bring them to the beach. They allow their dogs to go and I have seen dogs go down to the water,
they think that the Long Island Sound, not the dog, the person, thinks the Long Island Sound is
the flushing toilet and they just let the dog to its business fight on the beach and it just goes out
to the sea and people go in swimming fight after that. there are people, they do cover it over
with a little sand. But most don't. And I notice that the people that cover it over with a little
sand are usually because they are being watched, they do this. I have seen parents bring their
child down to dig in the sand after that. And they dig up dog dirt. That is pretty disgusting. I
would just like to say, if the intent of this is to have a beach like a dog park and to have dogs
exercise and run in the water, that is fine and dandy. But to have every beach in the Town of
Southold to be a dog park, I think would be a little too much. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Dan?
DAN CUTULLO: Dan Catullo, Mattituck. That guy is right on track, in fact, he stole some of
my thunder here but as a matter of point, on this control issue. Animal control is so vague, the
very definition is nebulous and it is not concise. In actual application it is ambiguous,
ambivalent and arbitrary. And as the fellow just said, everyone has a different take. Different
people with a different agenda at a different time will think of control in a different manner.
Some will just deny it entirely, some will accept it as I have when I have seen people with dogs
100, 200 feet away hidden in the sand dunes claiming they have control which is bizarre and
against all logic and it insults our intelligence for that. but they claim and they persists in this
claim. So I am trying to prove, no, they don't have control, what am I doing, 1 am trying to
prove a negative. Philosophically, that is a tough stance to take, as you know. It is an exercise in
futility if nothing else. You need a palpable, a tangible element or a real solid something to
really give you the idea that there is something restraining this animal. And a notion that you
have control is not going to affect real, solid control. Thc word control, it is everywhere. It is in
the blurb I got from the clerk's office here, 'all dogs shall be under immediate supervision and
control'. It is in our laws, it is on our discussions and it's, as the other fellow said it is so vague
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that we really can interpret it any way we want, in any given time. You can't test the
temperament of these animals. Some people will say well, their dog is particularly obedient,
particularly well trained. Now, even a circus dog or a dog who is trained for a show, show dog,
these animals are going to be, break down, have a break down in their discipline somewhere
along the line. The examples that come to mind that are particularly horrific are the two white
tigers several years ago that were trained from when they were little cubs, when they became
adults they were well trained but one of them turned and almost killed one of their trainers, it
was very close to killing him. Or a year or two ago in Miami or somewhere in Florida where
that killer whale, he lived up to his name and actually killed his trainer, actually killed it there
and it was supposedly well trained, trustworthy animal. You can't test, you can't really know the
temperament of these animals. You can't tell when, where or why they are going to change or
turn on you. in essence, there is no true control without real physical restraint, period. And that
is an element that again, I agree with that fellow that just spoke. Another point, another fellow, I
think it was this fellow here that spoke at the January 2n°meeting, brought up the point that if
you close certain areas and certain beaches to dogs, you are going to channel them through a
funnel to elsewhere. Unfortunately, one of those elsewhere's is my property and the adjacent
beach, Bailie's beach as a matter of fact. So in essence, that is defeating its own purpose by just
transporting a problem from one place to another. What is wrong with the dog park? ! mean,
it's an area you have confinement so the animals can't get afield and create mischief, you have
them running unfettered so that they can socialize with each other and in fact, the owners can
socialize, too. That was brought up at a meeting last year, that it was important to a particular
dog owner that he be able to socialize with fellow dog owners. You will get some people that
contend that there is nothing like the ocean for the animal, that a dog park just won't do. They
will say, look how happy he appears, his tail is wagging, he is in the surfi he deserves and needs
this recreation. You know, this is anthropocentric, this is projecting human values and
sensibilities into these animals. It is like the people that will put up a quarter million dollar
mausoleum or palace with pool and air-conditioner for their animals. That is an extension of this
mindset, to the extreme admittedly but and so on. Our country itself is 3,000 miles wide, we
have a lot of animals in there. Millions and millions of dogs. If you were to assume that all of
these dogs are somehow deprived of this trip to the beach, that they are seriously encumbered
with a lack of a real experience that some of these dog owners will propose, then you would have
to say, the dog owners themselves in all these spaces between the two shores of the United
States, all these dogs that will never see an ocean shore are being deprived by these owners and
in fact, that the owners are abusing them, not letting them have the opportunity to plow into the
surf. So it is a ridiculous argument but again, if you take the attitude of some of these people that
there is such a necessity to let the dog roam free into the ocean, that's where you go with it. the
unique part getting offthe dog park issue, the unique part of a beach is the mean high water. We
have had any number of arguments here about mean high water, what it is, where it is, etc., I
won't go into that now but mean water where 1 am around Bailie Beach is the differentiating line
between private beach property and the public domain, the public doctrine area where you have
ability for access to the Sound or the ocean, salt water. It is somewhat nebulous and how are you
going to expect a dog to respect that? A free ranging dog without a leash is not going to know
what the mean high water line is, he is not going to know where it is and he won't have any
concept of private property or what trespassing is either. It is not reasonable to think that way,
so, do you run fi'ee, he will go and do what dogs will do, he will, well, what might they do? 1
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have observed dogs on the beach for 50 years, I have been here for 50 years. And what they
might do is the following and what they might do, they have done actually; they will run up over
the beach, someone is sunbathing, they will kick some sand around, bark loudly, disturbingly,
they will perhaps in friendship lick a little of the bare skin of one of those sunbathers, sniff
around areas that he probably shouldn't and in fact, if he were a human being be arrested for all
these activities. But I have observed all these things. He will take personal objects and run off
with them, my brother-in-law from way upstate, Orange county, came down, one of his shoes
was taken by a dog and even with the help of the owner, took us about half an hour to retrieve
this shoe. These aren't major tragedies but they are major nuisances. And taken in the
aggregate, they add up like Chinese water torture or death from a thousand cuts. They will add
up to a bad result and a decline in quality of life. You don't have to, realize now these are all
friendly dogs, all these incidents such as they, as unpleasant as they may be, are all friendly dogs.
God help you if you were having a bad day and your luck runs out the way mine did that bad day
last May when I was attacked by two dogs and you don't have to be on your own beach either.
You can be traveling along the property line that is public domain and as such, you may see a
dog coming from the opposite direction, bounding well ahead of it's owner, 200 or 300 feet
ahead perhaps ahead, certainly out of what might be considered reasonable control. What is the
intent of this animal? Is he coming after me or at me for purposes of satisfying his curiosity or is
it out of malice? It is hard to tell but from my experiences, my perception of this is that if it
looks like an attack dog, sounds like an attack dog and it is charging me as an attack dog, then it
is an attack dog. Until proven otherwise. Meanwhile, a peaceful, pleasant walk on the beach has
been tainted with a tint of terror and it has just not the way to live. Alright and the last point I
want to make is, whether admitted or not by dog owners, dogs do bite. Case in point, I have a
copy of (inaudible) paper article headline, dog bites account for more than one third of
homeowners insurance claims. Over one third, it is not a rare occurrence. And more recently
and locally, Riverhead animal control officer mauled by dog at shelter. Rushed to PBMC for
treatment. Now these are, these are not rare things and these people that are at these shelters are
experts. These are pros, they should know how to handle these animals. But you can't always
tell about the temperament of them. Now the general consensus of the people that were at this
place, this was supposedly a safe, quote safe, dog. And as I said, you can't always tell about
temperament. So my opinion is we need a real strict leash law, no way to get around it and we
are in trouble because about the time of my attack, up Port Washington it was, just about the time
of my attack last May, within two weeks of my attack, there was a $30 million lawsuit filed and
it was because a young boy lost an ear to a dog attack. Well, it was approximate enough in
geography and in time to my own event to be a sobering enough food for thought. So just hope
that we give serious consideration of what we are doing as far as the leash law goes and in
support of what that fellow was saying as well. Thanks.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you. who else would like to address the Town Board on this
issue?
ROBERT DUNN: Robert Dunn, Peconic. This kind of came to fruition last summer and I
believe it was the gentleman who was just before me. This kind of came to a head last summer
at a meeting here and I believe it kind of happened because it was the gentleman here that was
speaking about Bailie Beach becoming a dog beach because the Mattituck beaches in the park
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district didn't allow dogs and in fact were coming, that's my biggest problem with this and I said
it earlier, is making just certain areas not allow dogs and other areas have no (inaudible). In fact,
as the way this ruling is going to lead, the result of that attack on Bailie Beach is going to leave
Bailie Beach with less protection than it had then because as I remember, it was you Ms. Neville,
went out and brought in the laws and you were surprised that there was a law that said no
animals on beach at all. Period. Now in fact we are not only going to allow them but we are
going to make them go to certain places because they are prohibited from other places. Now you
can just shut me down if you, you were talking this morning Ms. Doherty, that maybe this needs
to be tweaked a bit and if the prohibition is going to be everywhere and I might agree and I don't
agree with a prohibition, I will get to that in a minute but I just don't think it should be, I think
the term now is bathing beaches. You established that at the last board meeting when you
recognized certain beaches as bathing beaches, so everywhere else is okay, including some of the
nature areas. If dogs are allowed to run in the nature areas, they are just going to go wherever
they want and no one is going to chase a dog into the bush or go into the bush to pick up after
him. So some of our conservation areas, they will just be free to do what they want to do and if
it is not on a leash, it is not on a leash. I kind of, living across the street from the beach, I kind of
like seeing the dogs at the beach, I think it adds to the character we have out here on the north
fork. Mr. Ruland and I and another gentleman from Newsday had a discussion in that first
meeting in January and Mr. Ruland had mentioned how when he was growing up, there were
dogs everywhere. And kids even brought them to school and they sat outside in the yard and that
just to me is one of the nice things about the north fork. So I am not for banning dogs but I do
think it might be appropriate that they be leashed at a time during a season, perhaps it is May
until the end of September, perhaps it is only in the daytime and then the people who are
intimidated by the dogs are aware of that and they have to adjust too. Because the people who
own dogs and want to bring the dogs have just as much right as the people who don't want to be
subjected to the dogs, to use the beach and enjoy the beach and quite frankly, the dogs are fun.
Seeing a big floppy eared dog running around in the water is fun. You can get those big long
leashes that go out 25, 30 feet and you are still in control. That is when there are people on the
beach. Today, you could have gone to any beach in this town and you wouldn't have bothered
anybody. You could have let your dog run forever, wouldn't have cared. And somebody
brought up a point at the work session this morning that that dog run is really not a run, so I
mean, the idea of having, letting dogs run on the beach is kind of nice, too. The other thing
about just having dogs not allowed on the town beaches or the bathing beaches might set up a
legal problem because if you are doing that you are identifying that dogs are a problem, well, if
you go to one of the other town beaches, not bathing beaches, and someone is hurt, then you
could say well wait a minute, then you have established that and this would be something for you
to talk to Mr. Finnegan about. You have established that dogs could be a problem yet you don't
do it here, so there could be a liability. I think this, whatever needs to be done here, whatever is
going to be done, needs to be thought about more. There is just too many questions, 1 think it is
evident just by the number of people in this room. I come to these meetings quite often and we
have six people, so there is some turmoil and then of course, the big thing that I raised last time
and I will raise it again, 1 don't think anything should be done until some of the summer people
get time to respond. I mean, you can't wait forever for them but i mean to do it when we just
had six degree weather, they are not out here and you are only going to have people back here in
the middle of next summer complaining one way or the other.
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SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you. Jeff'?.
JEFF SMITH: Jeff Smith, Cutchogue. I am chairman of the Cutchogue-New Suffolk park
district and my biggest concern on this law is item number 2 under prohibition, where it says the
bathing beaches at such times when a lifeguard is on duty. Both of my beaches have areas that
are part of Southold town beach but they do not have lifeguards. That is where the people bring
their dogs. Now my beach down on Pequash is just this one small area. The people come down
at the end of Pequash, they run their dogs. Now tell me how that dog, as this gentleman said,
differentiate between here is my line and here is the town line. It doesn't work. If they are going
to run them down on those beaches, they have to be leashed. The same thing at Nassau Point,
you go all the way down Skunk Lane, that's town property but from the bath house over, is the
park district. Now you bring a dog down there, he is going to go, he is going either way. They
have got to be leashed if they are on the beaches. I mean, I don't have a problem with them in
the mornings, I am an early riser, I go down to the end of Pequash. The people who live in
Fleets Neck, they walk their dogs and they pick up after their dogs, continuously. The barrel is
there, god knows what is in that barrel at the end of the day when the people are done. You
know, I would say the majority of the people that walk their dogs there do pick up after them but
when those beaches are being used, those dogs run fi'ee. And they really should be leashed.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Jeff', do you have a regulation that the park district, no dogs on the
beach at all?
MR. SMITH: No dogs on the beach. Yup. And that is where we run into a problem because
right now, they can go on the Southold Town beach ....
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: That would be similar to the Bailie Beach which is ....
MR. SMITH: Yeah, exactly the same thing.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: But right next door is the park district.
MR. SMITH: Right. Right next door and like you said, how does a dog dift~erentiate? To be
honest with you, most of the people don't pay attention to it either, so you can't just blame the
dogs. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Who else would like to address the Town Board?
CHARLENE CATULLO: Charlene Catullo, Mattituck. I was just concerned with the wording
that you have on the law because once again, it is a matter of control. And unless you can define
control and number one, if you are going to impose a fine or how do you police it? you know, if
it is ambiguous and you can't police it, it is not a law. You know, so those are things. As far as,
I mean, I utilize Bailie Beach and use to more in the past but I have encountered dogs, they will
come running up to you, I will stop in my tracks because I don't know whether it is a friendly
dog or not a friendly dog. So you know, I will call to someone and say can you call your dog
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and even one fellow said well, he is a friendly dog and 1 simply said, well listen, you know I am
not really fond of dogs. I had a dog growing up but maybe it is a fear that came later in life and
when I was in my 20's, my girlfriends dog while talking to her, just leaped at my neck. Whether
it was a hand gesture that triggered it, I don't know but I would call her and I would say listen, I
am not going in your house unless you lock the dog up. Because you don't know when a dog
will mm. I don't know what caused the dog to do that to me and maybe that instilled my fear of
a dog when they are loose. So I would prefer to see dogs on a leash especially if you can't
impose a law. How are you going to impose it? Am I supposed to take a video camera down to
the beach to show a dog is not in control of their master, does he have to call the dog one, two or
three times? So, I mean I just think that you need to sit back and recognize it. as far as utilizing
the beach at other times, you know, technically the beach is my front yard. I would like to go
out and into my front yard without having to decide whether a dog know where mean high tide
is. You know, to ~it on my beach or something like that. and unless you leash them because no
one has ever said anything about allowing the dogs to walk on the beach leashed, it is when you
talk about control. I have encountered many a dog, you know, it is where I say they come
running up to me. Thank god no bites. My sister-in-law was bit by a pit bull and has stitches up
her ann. She was walking her dog. So you don't know, as I say, what a dog is going to do. So I
don't think really you should invite you know, any accidents to occur by allowing dogs to run
free. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you. Lillian?
LILLIAN BALL: Hi, Lillian Ball, Southold town. As many of you know, I am a dog lover. !
have a dog and I walk on the beach quite often with my dog. I walk with other people walking
with their dogs and I think it is one of the nice aspects of Southold town. But I am also
extremely concerned about water quality and as is usually the case, it is not the dog, it is the dog
owner that is the problem. So I would like to reinforce that plea for enforcement if you are
making decisions based on these issues, you have to enforce it. I mean, I know how tireless I am
in telling people, I pick up other dogs poop. 1 have my bag, you know, I am walking with people
that are environmentally sensitive, they don't do it. people don't do it and so if the dog is
leashed, you at least have some control over where they are leaving their business. And if dogs
are going to be on the beach, there has to be some way to enforce cleanup because water quality
is really essential in our town and dog poop is poop. I don't have to spell it out any more clearly.
I don't envy you guys for having to make a law about this, it is a very difficult issue and I know
myself just how many people I beg, please, please pick it up. Don't ruin it for the rest of the dog
owners who are out here, trying very hard to have their dogs obey. And if they are leashed, you
can at least keep track of what the waste is. The second issue that I wanted to make is
Goldsmiths Inlet also have piping plovers. They have been found there on that beach several
times. If you are going to be considering piping plovers, I would add Goldsmiths Inlet beach to
the list from the Audubon Society because we have had exclosures there and it is definitely a
place where there is an issue with piping plovers. So I don't envy you this project but I would
like to figure out some way enforcement can work, I don't know whether there could be
neighborhood captains perhaps? Neighborhood people who are aware, there are places in
Florida I am told, housing developments where they have the DNA of the dog on file so when
somebody leaves poop, that is very....1 was just shocked that there would be such follow
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through, such enforcement. So they know whose dog it is. I don't know that that is something
for Southold Town but I do know that water quality is the basis of our economy and our pleasure
in our neighborhood and we have to make sure that there is someway people will follow through
and take care of their dog waste. Thank you.
COUNCILMAN RULAND: Lillian, I would say that to the contrary of what you might think,
your input and everyone who offers their input is what makes it easier for us to make the
decision. Because it doesn't really matter what you propose until you hear what people usually
that have had a first hand experience can tell you, you really don't really know. And part of it is
not so much the factual presentation of a fact versus the personal presentation where you can see
in the face of the person that they have had an adverse situation that probably affected them and
might affect them for a long time in the future. So the input is valuable. I mean, sometimes
people laugh at why do you have a public hearing? Well, it is obvious, that is why you have a
public heating. To hear what the public has to say.
MS. BALL: And I also do think that the more of us that participate in the public heatings and
give you our feedback, the better our town works. So, I would invite everybody to put in their
two cents worth. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Let me just say, Dan, before you speak again, I usually nm a policy,
I like to have everyone comment at least once before I go for the second time, so if anyone who
hasn't been heard yet would like to, please?
STEVE HUSAK: Steve Husak, Laurel. I have been here as a summer kid, now as an adult. Had
dogs all my life. Had water breeds who were petrified of the water and dogs who shouldn't have
swum, water swum to Connecticut. Leash the dogs. We just went to Montauk last week to see
the seals. I took a 25 foot piece of rope with me, put a clip on the end of it. put the dog on the
end of the 25 foot rope. He ran all over the beach. He got close to where people were,
unclipped that rope, put a regular leash back on him. Plain and simple. I mean, if we are going
to put a law on, who is going to enforce these laws? We are not enforcing little laws. We are not
enforcing short fish laws. Who is going to enforce these laws? Are you going to call 801 down,
805 down off of patrols in town to walk the beach to write tickets for dogs on beach? I don't
think so. I don't think the cops want to do it. watched an interesting show the other night, 3:30
in the morning. About Montana. Out there you are caught leaving litter in the woods, caught
breaking any of their laws, you never get a hunting license, you never get a fishing license, you
never get a parking pass ever again. One time. Done. Maybe it is time we do it here. Maybe it
is time we do it here. But if we are going to make laws, let's make laws we can enforce. And
every day we open them up, the federal government is furcing laws on us. The state is forcing
laws on us. They are passing them in the middle of the night. Nobody is thinking about, nobody
is thinking what it is, how we are going to enforce it and how it is going to affect our quality of
life. You know, I love dogs. I don't want to be attacked by a dog. I can't go to the dog park.
My kids can't go to the dog park, it has become a bully pulpit there. People bring their dogs,
throw them in the dog park and then go back and sit in their cars. I heard a story and I would
like a clarification of it, that there was two Rottweiler's attacked a dog last month at the dog
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park and then the owner of the Rottweiler and the other dog got into a fight and from what I
understand, the Rottweiler was stabbed. True or false?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: No one has reported that to the Town Board.
MR. HUSAK: Well, that was the story. My daughter is petrified to go to the dog park now. We
are not enforcing dog laws at the dog park, we are going to enforce dog laws on the beach.
Really, I commend you guys for, and ladies, sorry' Jill, for thinking it out and listening to
everybody but please, don't be New York State, don't be the federal government, passing laws in
the middle of the night that we can't enforce and we can't justify.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Steve, where do you, you are saying leash the dogs but are you
saying also, let the dogs go on the beach ....
MR. HUSAK: Let the dogs go on the beach.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Because there are a couple of different things, the dog waste thing
is already a law.
MR. HUSAK: If you are not decent enough to pick up your dog's waste, then really, what kind
of a person are you?
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: But that is not part of this public hearing.
MR. HUSAK: It really comes down to what kind of a person are you? You know? A dog takes
a poop on the beach, have some courtesy.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: I agree with you. you can't get everybody to do it obviously,
because of....
MR. HUSAK: I had a husky growing up, that dog would swim to Connecticut ifI let her. I had
a 75 tbot piece of rope and she would literally swim across Mattituck inlet. From what we used
to call tar tank beach, down there.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Tar docks.
MR. HUSAK: All the across to the back side of Bailie beach. Give her a tug or two and she
would get back in the water and swim back across. My dog, after the Montauk trip, she came
home, passed out in front of the wood stove. Believe me, more than enough room and energy for
a dog to run on a 50 foot piece of rope. So, just let's think about it and maybe time, the
owners ....
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Seems like that is the biggest thing, its all coming back to the
owners.
MR. HUSAK: Inaudible.
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COUNCILMAN TALBOT: I did hear something about that, my wife was down there at the dog
park there and said there was a fight between the dogs but I didn't hear anything about anybody
getting stabbed.
MR. HUSAK: There's an example, it is a town owned piece of property for dogs and we are not
enforcing any laws there. People are being bullied there.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: It is generally handled with the owners, I have got to say I sat up
here when it was talked about the dog park and I said I have never been to a dog park and I don't
think I will ever go. And I was there.
MR. HUSAK: Truthfully, you will never see me at the dog park. You know I am in the middle
ora mid-life career change, I am in New York City more than I am here.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: But the issues down there are generally addressed by the owners
and kind of well, as everybody has been mentioning tonight, it comes down a lot of it to the
owners. Obviously.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: I just want to mention, if everybody was courtesy and picked
up after their dogs, we wouldn't have to have a code here. This code is not for dogs, it is for
people.
MR. HUSAK: Absolutely. 1 agree with you. I agree with you. I go down surf fishing most of
the time I leave with more than I ever brought in.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: It is unfortunate that we have to.
MR. HUSAK: And I have to get yelled at and chased at by homeowners because of the people
that are allowed to come in and do it and most of the time it is non residents. So maybe the
Montana, if we can't do it to ourselves, maybe we can do it to the out of town residents whose
parking permits are pieces of paper on dash boards. You know, you come up the beach and you
left all the trash there, yank the parking pass, right then and there.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you.
MR. HUSAK: Good luck.
CECILIA MORTENSEN: My name is Cecilia Mortensen, Bailie beach patron. The one aspect
I don't think anyone has brought up yet is children. Our grandchildren that I bring down to
Bailie beach maybe two years old, one is five, one is three, one is four. When these big dogs are
running loose on that beach, I am petrified. I own two dogs myself, it is not that I am a dog
hater, I love dogs. But when you have children and you cannot, a person is not controlling which
is our main issue here is control, control that dog. When there is children on the beach, you
can't, I won't even leave my dog alone with my grandchildren. It is a big goofy lab, golden
retriever lab. Why? Because 1 don't trust a dog, I just don't and I love my dog. Twelve years I
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have had him. And 1 won't leave him alone with my kids, my grandchildren 1 mean. And I
think that is a very important aspect that no one has brought up. There is children on that beach,
alright, maybe not 24/7 but when they are, I want to feel safe and not have these big animals
running around like my own dog which is always on a leash, always. Even at one time with a
rope like this gentleman said, got wrapped around my leg, I had it infected from my dog because
he was on a rope and ran around and ripped my leg open but he was on a rope. We never let him
run loose. Control. Period. That is all I have got to say.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you. Has anybody not spoken yet that would like to be
heard? Ma'am.
ANITA BUSBY: My name is Anita Busby and I live in Peconic very close to Goldsmith beach.
And some of the, you know, my dog is free on the beach whenever I take her for a walk,
however, I live there so I am very close by, I can go down to the beach before 8:00 in the
morning and t here is no one on the beach and I am home before there is any people on the
beach. And the same in the evening, I go after sunset, I walk her then. So I am listening to all
these comments and I totally understand people's fear of the dogs running and getting into your
picnic basket, as my dog would do easily or kissing small children and knocking them flat, she
has totally done all of that but at my house. My family. But what I am suggesting is the timing,
maybe we can work out something where this is timing. Now, I am not talking about going to
Goldsmiths beach, I am talking about the general area there. But maybe if on the other beaches
if there is a time period where it would be allowed for you to walk the dogs and other people
would be aware of those times, then maybe it would be a good time not to be there with small
children. It is just a suggestion. And the other thing I know you are not talking about pooper
scooper laws or any of those things but one of our problems at Goldsmiths is we don't have a
garbage pail there most of the time. Sorry, I have got a scratchy throat. Usually it doesn't show
up until the 4th of July and it is usually gone by Labor Day and I think it would be very helpful if
there was garbage pails on most of the beaches for those of us who are fairly diligent about
cleaning up after our dogs. Okay?
MARY MCTIGUE: I am Mary McTigue and I live in Southold. I wanted to, everything I
wanted to say was pretty much covered although we covered safety but we really didn't touch
much on the sanitary conditions of the beaches. I went down to Kenney's beach right before
coming here and there is lots of bundles. I photographed if you ever wanted to be curious what
goes on off season but the beach is might filled with dog waste as it is now and we are the full
time residents that supposedly care more than the part timers. So if the condition of the beaches
remains the way it was today, the summer is only going to get worse. So, I just, I wanted to say
something because if you relax this code, that all of a sudden became outdated, in my opinion the
code was written to protect the safety and sanitary conditions of the beaches. I don't know when
that became outdated. Those two things can't go away. And I understand what everybody said
here about leashes and 25 tbot long and 30 feet long, all I can envision is crossing ropes and
how is this going to work? So 1 would just like to suggest the alternative of creating better dog
parks. The one we have in Peconic I am not familiar with it but from other dog owners I have
heard it is too small, it is not clean and it is not a friendly atmosphere for the dog and its owners.
So maybe to take some of the town property and enhance it, to make it dog parks on 5 acre
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pieces, not just in Peconic but in other towns with water sprinkler systems or whatever needed to
happen to make it an enjoyable experience. I can't envision relaxing the code at this point for a
lot of the reasons the residents just mentioned. It would change my experience, the way I use the
beach which is after 5:00. I don't go at high noon, I don't need to work on my tan. I like to go at
night and at night at my beach in particular, it has just become more traffic by dogs and I
understand everybody means well with their dogs, I am not trying to deny anybody that
experience but I am afraid for my nieces and nephews that come down there with me and for
myself sometimes. You are very vulnerable if you are not used to being around dogs ordinarily.
So I guess that is all. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you. Who else would like to address the Town Board? Has
anybody not been heard yet?
NANCY SAWASTYNOWICZ: Good evening, I am Nancy Sawastynowicz and I live in
Cutchogue. I am sorry all that has happened at Bailie beach. Our little beach at the end of
Pequash, we never have a problem, we always pick up and I never go in the summer because it is
too hot and I always control my three pugs. I have a letter to read and a few questions and
suggestions. On the proposed changes of Southold Town law on dogs and recreational areas.
Thank you for recognizing that dogs do belong in recreational areas. The current law which
might be understood as prohibiting dogs from beaches should be changed. Most of the people I
know that have dogs do control their dogs. ! mean, the north fork as most of us know is part of a
beach, most of the north fork is a beach. I am the fourth generation and I can't stand when
people say I have been here for 50 years blah blah blah. I noticed 50 years ago they started
trying to keep people off the beach. So that is just a point. It doesn't matter how long you are
here, we have to work together and I am very happy that you are examining this law, it is very
important. And the woman that was attacked by the pit bull in Riverhead at the shelter, that dog
was left in a crate on the side of the road and they didn't know the dogs behavior, it was an
accident. That wasn't something that just happened. Even in the areas where dogs are
prohibited, there should be exceptions to permit service dogs and therapy dogs, that hasn't been
mentioned. You know, 1 think it should be put in there because there are seeing eye dogs that
need to go into parks and recreational areas. Are you going to think about that particular
subject?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We will certainly take all the recommendations that are being
supplied tonight and include that in the discussion.
MS. SAWASTYNOWICZ: Okay, thank you. Okay, paragraph should be clarified or it should
be eliminated. What kind of additional rules and regulations do you expect to be made?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Again, that is a good question. I think one of the issues that the
town is trying to address is what are the needs? We put this for public hearing so we can get this
input. I think we recognize prior to the meeting tonight that this law is far from perfect, so we
are getting all that input from the public. What you are hearing tonight is what I have been
getting via emails and phone calls. People on both sides of the issue, people looking for more
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stringent standards, people looking for more relaxed standards. That is what we are trying to get
from the public.
MS. SAWASTYNOWICZ: Balance. Okay, so in that paragraph D, it refers to the
superintendent. Who would that be? Would that be the Town Board?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Historically it has been recognized as the superintendent of the
department of public works.
MS. SAWASTYNOWICZ: Okay. And will additional rules and regulations be changed on this
proposal?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: That was a catch all phrase that was designed to intend that if new
law needed to be, he would have the authority or she would have the authority to put new rules
in place.
MS. SAWASTYNOWICZ: And if that happens, will the changes be made public?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Absolutely.
MS. SAWASTYNOWlCZ: Okay. How will the proposed law be enforced?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Like any new law, as best as we can.
MS. SAWASTYNOWICZ: Will there be penalties for the violations?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Adjudicated as part of the court process. Those fines would be up to
a judge.
MS. SAWASTYNOWICZ: Okay. Will the warrants be put on file?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: The warrants?
MS. SAWASTYNOWICZ: If they are violated. If the person is violated in the law that ....
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Just like any other violation in the town, same process.
MS. SAWASTYNOWICZ: Because I would like to suggest, if they do cause a violation with a
dog and the owner, really, is the person in charge, they should get a warning and then the second
time they are not allowed on the beach. I don't know who is going to enfbrce that but I have
never had a problem on our little beach, we pick up, everybody picks up and ifI don't, I mean if
somebody doesn't pick up not only the dog poop but also glass and any garbage we find and I
am glad that you are really listening to the town's people on this and there are good dog people
out there. Thank you.
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BENJA SCHWARTZ: Good evening. 1 have reviewed this law and I am appreciative that the
Town Board has taken up the issue. I am going to try to be, give some constructive criticism
here. I do feel like I need to mention one thing regarding the, or a couple of things in the
purpose statement of the law. And this is something that is an issue that is very general but it is
also very specific here. This law says that the purpose of it is to protect the health, safety and
well being of residents. And that sounds fine except if you have a legal background and you
know that residents are only a subset of the public and why are we protecting residents and not
protecting their guests? Or even just a tourist or other people who are in town. ! think that
should be changed instead of for the well being of residents, the public. Residents are part of the
public. And that is the purpose of government and the purpose of this law, should be to protect
the public health safety and welfare. Not just the health safety and welfare of residents. Another
thing is the reference to domestic animals. In looking up domestic animals, I find that sheeps
and goats are, you know, this man over here apparently saw a tiger on the beach. I have never
seen a tiger on the beach, with or without a leash. And I certainly think any tigers that are on the
beach should be on a leash. But in this law, I would direct the law and title the law and talk
about in the law companion animals, rather than domestic animals. I think that would be more
specific. I am not sure why it is only talking about bathing beaches, I think it came from pieces
of other laws that are on the books. And children's play areas, I don't know exactly what that is
but I think you meant playgrounds. I don't quite understand, my understanding was that this law
was a replacement or a modification of section 193-9 b under behavior and conduct for
recreational areas that basically said no dogs except in the parking lots and I thought that is why
this was, this whole law was raised, this issue was raised. I am surprised I don't see anything in
the proposed changes to change that law. I mean, chapter 86 is something else but section, I
don't understand why this is being proposed as section 193-3.1. 193-3 is regulation about motor
vehicles in the recreational areas of the town, so I don't, this doesn't seem to belong there. In
looking around other sections of chapter 193, I did note very curious, it doesn't have too much to
do with this law but fishing is not allowed on any beach in the Town of Southold unless it is
posted as a fishing beach. I have never seen a beach posted as a fishing beach. So that means
that all the fishermen who fish off the beach are breaking the law also. So I am glad that you are
thinking about changing this law and I would like to see it done consistently and you know with,
the other parts of the law, I think before you consider adopting a new law, it would be important
to identity the areas that you are talking about, where dogs will be allowed and the areas where
dogs won't be allowed. For what it is worth, I took some time today and I rewrote the law so
that sections A, B and 3 are more logical. Basically the general rule as I see should be that dogs
and other companion animals are permitted on all recreational areas subject to certain conditions
and prohibitions which are specifically included in sections B and C. Now, I mean, I know
there's people here who have little dogs and I used to have a little dog who would not hurt a baby
if she, you know, I have a little dog now that it loves people so it will run up to people. But I
know how to control it, I have a leash with me, I use it when I need it and there is absolutely no
reason. You know, we have a lot of terrible car accidents. Does that mean we are going to
outlaw cars? No. We have to think about specific dogs and the problem as I see it is basically in
this case is the aggressive dogs. So I would just like to quickly read the revised two paragraphs
that I revised. Every companion animal on a recreational area must be under the supervision and
control of the owner or other person in possession of the animal. Supervision means the person
in possession of the animal is aware of where the animal is and what the animal is doing.
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Control means that the person in possession of the animal is capable of restraining the animal
from any aggressive behavior towards and any uninvited contact with any person. So I looked
around to try to find a law I could use as a model, I couldn't find one. I wrote that one out of my
head. I hope it helps you. ! will give you a copy of it but I thought about including something
about leashes and I decided against it probably primarily because of an experience I had a couple
of years ago when I had this most wonderful dog and somebody who was parked on the side of
the road, their dog came and started attacking my dog and I had to attack the dog back and kick it
and get rid of it. And they came running over and said oh, oh, oh, we have a leash, I am sorry,
we have a leash fight here. Well, fine you have a leash but if the dog is attacking someone, I
probably in retrospect, should have called the police. And I think it is to some degree, alright, I
will give you a copy of that. the other thing that I just feel hasn't been mentioned and should be
mentioned, is the related issue. You know, this is related to the law that was passed regulating,
prohibiting people from letting their dogs leave their poop all over town, not just on beaches.
Now, on the one hand I think that should be a separate law, shouldn't be mentioned as a part of
this law as it is, there is a paragraph in this law referring to that other section that's inconsistent
with the rest of the town code and I didn't like that but on the other hand, I think that the poop
law as we have been calling it, has not been enforced and is not enforceable as it stands. And I
don't see anything funny about the companies and the experts who have devised ways to do
DNA analysis of feces. There is a clinic under the auspices of the University of Califomia that
has a program called dog pile ID and you can get samples for, in some case, in a lot of cases they
will do the testing free for dog owners if they want to eliminate their dog but you know, that is
not only the only way to enforce that law but the experience of many communities and living,
like apartment buildings and all that have started to implement some forms of DNA testing. And
the experience has been that the problems have disappeared. Even if we don't test every dog and
every poop on the beach, just having that mechanism in place might go a long way towards
alleviating the need for regulation.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: And I say, what the heck is this world coming to if we are going to
be doing DNA testing, hey, bring your dog in Mr. Talbot, we have a report that your dog left
something on the beach and we are going to do a DNA test on it.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, that is why 1 don't think we should require every dog to do DNA test.
But I think if we, if someone is going to go around and find a little tiny poop on the side of the
beach and test that and then go and chase after a little dog that didn't, I am not saying that we
shouldn't pick up little dogs poops, I do, they are a lot easier but the ones that really bother me
are the big ones and they are a lot harder to pick up. 1 am lucky I don't have a big dog but you
know, if you see the same type poop all the time in the neighborhood, I don't see why you
couldn't get the dog control officer to come and take a sample, do a test on it and then if you can
identify which dog it might be, do a comparison.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: This isn't part of this public hearing anyway, right?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: You know, this is a town that can't enforce a one yard sale a year
rule, I mean, now we are going to do a DNA, you need a database for all that, you need money,
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you need resources, you need personnel. I think we need to stay more focused on the specifics
here which is simply controlling dogs when and where and how.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, I am looking at the wider picture and I am looking around seeing what
is happening in the Hamptons and in other communities around the country and around the world
and I think you know, we are affected by that and I think the idea that this law is only for
residents or only to protect and serve residents ....
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: I think that is a good point.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: No, that was a good point.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Is reflective of a lack of broader view.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: The general public.
MR. SCHWARTZ: May I provide you with a copy? Inaudible. If you put a leash on your dog,
that means that the person on the other end has to be on a leash too. And not all dogs, some dogs
you can control, you can supervise them without a leash. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Would anybody else like to be heard that hasn't been heard yet?
Please?
RICHARD JORDAN: Hello, my name is Richard Jordan, I live in Cutchogue. This is the first
time I have ever been here. I have owned the house here since 1985 and I have lived here since
2008. And like Jeff says, we all pick up after our dogs and we walk the beach and pick up all
kinds of debris. I think we shouldn't overlook the fact that it isn't just the benefit of the dog, that
it isn't just the dog that benefits when you take a dog down to the beach and I always leash my
dog. But the companionship of an animal is very positive for the people, for the residents and for
the public. And I don't think it is appropriate that those who would bring a leashed dog are
restricted from bringing a leashed dog to the bathing beach when a life guard is on duty. I don't
understand what's being protected by that. and as far as the other provisions of this, I think the
leash, the definition of control is pretty good but I think you should also define the length of the
leash. When I heard someone say 25 foot leash, as someone who has four kids 1 would be little
bit concerned about some aggressive dogs in that respect. And lastly, you do have reference to
the animal waste provision and I assume that the superintendent could promulgate additional
rules to that?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Well, actually that is a requirement of federal and state law, the MS
4. You are talking about the pooper scooper law?
MR. JORDAN: No, i am talking about C, all dogs or domestic animal waste shall be removed in
accordance with, and then D is superintendent may, in his discretion promulgate additional rules.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Regarding...
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MR. JORDAN: That is my question, could it be regarding waste removal?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I don't believe he has the authority.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: It was more regards to different parks, like say we have the Mill
Lane park in Mattituck that is just a walk in park, a wooded walk in park and if we found that
there some issues or complaints in the area ....
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: It was more for the signage of areas; that the superintendent
can put a sign saying no dogs or dogs have to be leashed.
MR. JORDAN: So he has the authority to determine what will be signed or what won't be
signed? Yes?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Yes.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: But it was something other than beach signage.
MR. JORDAN: Because I read this and I thought it meant, are posted, meaning today. And if it
is not posted today and if the sign doesn't say no dogs or domestic animals allowed, quote, it is
quoted, it is not restricted.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: There are a lot of areas that aren't posted today and we didn't
want to have to do a resolution each time a section had to be posted. We wanted to be able to
have that department post the areas of the town, without getting a resolution every single time.
MR. JORDAN: So the intention is that many areas that residents feel we can take the dogs to
may no longer be available? That is what you anticipate?
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: No, I am just saying that there are a lot of areas that, of town
property that don't have any signs at all. And we need to put signage up and we are just saying
that the person, the superintendent can do his job without coming for a resolution for every little
sign that he is going to put up. Regardless of what the sign says.
MR. JORDAN: So every area could have a sign in town?
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: I can't see that happening, [ mean we would definitely hear it and
hopefully the residents would, when something comes up like this they are not afraid to come out
and speak, which you shouldn't be but
MR. JORDAN: But he will have the authority, there won't be a hearing then. He can issue
the ....
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COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Well, it is a good point that you are bringing up because it looks
tike we can then paint the broad stroke across the whole town and block animals off many things.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: That is not our intention. Our intention is say you want a
sign at the end of Pequash and your whole community comes and says we want the sign to say
this and what have you, then you can go fight to that department and make a sign and put it there.
Without having to go through a big public hearing for just that one little sign.
MR. JORDAN: Without a big public hearing? Well, that is exactly what I, so it could be
(inaudible) ....
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: What I am saying is ....
MR. JORDAN: I heard what you said.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Yeah, I know. And if turns out that ....
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: It's language that should be struck from the legislation.
MR. JORDAN: Okay, thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Anybody that hasn't spoken yet? Ma'am, did you want to speak?
MARGARET KNOWLDEN: I am Margaret Knowlden and at the age of 7 1 was bitten in the
face by a dog. I lived my whole life in fear of dogs. As an adult, I finally was able to get past it.
I raised two children that have no fear of dogs, however, I was at the beach, Founders Landing,
last summer and someone came, they could have been a summer person and they just let their
dog loose. It could have had the leash on it but I think the point I am going to make tonight is,
when you have a fear of animals, any animals, you emit like a I guess a chemical and the animal
knows, they know you are afraid of them. And the other thing is, if a child, you know, is afraid
of an animal like this not everyone takes care of their animal the same. Not everybody gets their
animals shots or just cares for them in general. So I just that it would be, also, I should tell you
this, I had a family picnic and a woman showed up with a dog and one of the children that were
at the picnic was injured. All he did was run away the dog didn't bite him but the fact is, it
created quite a stir with everybody that was at the picnic, so I just think that, it, you know, I don't
think that it is fair for dogs not to have a place to go but in the same token, are our beaches here
for the dogs or are they here for the people? And their children. So I just hope that you would
take into consideration. Also, I have a very good friend that works for the Smithtown Guide Dog
foundation. Guide dogs are working dogs. And usually you are not afraid of them because they
have been trained and they have been trained very strictly, so and they are issued to people and
even in those cases if the person is abusive to the dog, the dog is taken away from them. I am
talking about the blind person. And they are not allowed loose on beaches ever. So that is all I
have to say. I hope it helps.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you.
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BOB GHOSIO: Bob Ghosio, I am from Greenport. I think I have somewhat of a unique
perspective I think on this in the sense that as a Trustee, I have seen some of the issues that have
been raised, say from Lillian Ball for example. Where the quality of our water and our
waterways is very important and we have seen waste from pets entering the waterways,
particularly at road ends, not so much from beaches. So it does occur. So that is one concern
that we have. On the other hand as just a regular person, I have been attacked by dogs twice in
my fail, once was by a Doberman pinscher when I was a teenager and once as an adult, going to
a job interview I was attacked by a pack of feral dogs in Lake Ronkonkoma. So I know from
the time I was about 13 years old until the experience as an adult what the fear of, you know, the
fear that people can have of dogs. To this day, ifI am approached by a dog that I don't know. In
the same token, I have had dogs my entire life. I currently have a pug and I have a boston terrier.
Granted they are small dogs and they are very friendly dogs but I have had dogs all my life. I
think that what we are doing today or what the Board is doing is very honorable in the sense that
we have a situation where we live in a place where the romantic notion of having you know, a
boy and his dog frolicking in the surf is a noble vision in one's mind. It is part of what makes
our town unique. One of the things that we want to hang onto is that romantic notion that we can
continue to live as a society where you can have that and maybe not have to worry about some
of these other issues like public safety. However, as a government entity, you do have to take
that into a situation. We have people on both sides of the argument, people that want to make
sure that they are protected and people on the other hand that would like to enjoy some of the
beauty that we have out here. As having a perspective from both sides of that argument, I want
to say that I would like to cling to the notion that we can have, work our way through this and
have a way in which we can enjoy that unique scenario that we have where we can have people
and their dogs in a recreational atmosphere enjoying the waterways with their pets. I don't know
exactly how to do it but I just wanted to say I support it. And with that, thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you. Actually, Scott, do you want to go?
SCOTT BOGER: My name is Scott Boger. I feel like I have got to stick up for the dogs, just a
little bit. 1 mean, 1 feel bad for everybody at Bailie beach because it obviously sounds like it was
a bad experience, I am hearing Doberman's, I am hearing rottweilers. It can be any dog. I have
three labs. Somebody might have seen me at Founders, I let my dogs out at the ramp, they run
right in and they go after the ball and when they are all done, they jump in the back of my truck.
I confess, they are not on a leash. They are friendly, do I trust them 100 percent? But I know,
they are an animal but like somebody said, we can't, if somebody gets in a car accident, we can't
lock that guy up, you know. One car accident isn't going to ruin it for every motorist on the
road. The dog poop, if a dog turd, I don't want to say the wrong thing and I don't want to be
disrespectful to anybody ....
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Please feel free to say what you like.
MR. BOGER: Ifa dog turd washes up on the beach, I mean, come on, there's all kinds of turds
washing up on the beach. It is not just, do the dogs go swimming and take a turd and it comes
floating on the beach? The overflowing garbage cans with, at least people are picking up the dog
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turd and putting it in a bag because I live up on, off of Soundview Avenue and I go to Kenney's
beach and there is a thing where, there is a thing where there is a bag and you pick it up and you
pick up your turd but I mean, people that come out on the weekends, I am picking on the people
that live up west, alright, I have been out here for 40 years, it is beautiful out here. I don't live in
Montana, I am hitting on a lot of people, I don't live in Montana, I chose to live on the north fork
where the water is and my dogs love it. it is like you can't just, I don't know, I am losing all my
train of thought, I just want to stick up for the dogs. It is not just, one bad person, I don't trust
any of those dogs like anybody is mentioning and a lot of my friends have them and I don't care
what they say, I don't trust them. They are bred bad, whatever. It can be anybody but it would
be nice to make you know, oh, I know. The garbage cans are overflowing with their diapers, too
and the seagulls comes and dumps it on the beach. You think that is not hurting the water? I
mean, that is a poor excuse. A dog turd is not polluting the water out here. It has got nothing to
do with it.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Can I, can we just, I am just going to ask everybody, everybody
should direct comments to the Town Board. Can everybody direct comments to the Town
Board? Scott, I just ask you all to direct your comments to the Town Board.
MR. BOGER: Alright. But my point, brown tide, I have never heard in any of the articles I have
read that it is because the dogs are pooping in the water. I would just like to see the beach,
alright you have got the lifeguards, we should, like Bob said, if we could find a way to work
something out. The person should be 100 percent liable for his animal, 100 percent. It is not the
dog's fault. They don't know. You should go there, if we can provide, and they are, they are at
the beaches. They are not at the beach I like to go, I live right by the town beach and I was told I
had to leave last year and I left. Not happily but we have attendants, like we wonder how can
we police the beach? You take the town beach, there is always two people sitting in a chair at
the little stand. Well, maybe one person could sit so she could see the sticker and the other
person can get up and walk and monitor the beach. I mean, we could work for, I am now being
mean, we can work for our money a little bit. We don't just have to sit in a chair. We can police
it. A police officer shouldn't be down there patrolling the beaches, not at all.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Just understand something, that the bathing beaches where we have
beach attendants are very few. Most of the beaches in Southold town are informal road ends,
they are not big swimming beaches with a lot of sand. The reality is, we don't have attendants
there during the winter at all, what we tried to do with this legislation was to balance what we
viewed as a very strident, existing law which basically said, to our surprise, no dogs are allowed
anywhere at any time on recreational areas including beaches. We said we need to reel that in,
balance that out and allow for some limited access to dogs on beaches, to dogs in public parks.
Obviously we didn't do it well, and we need to take another look at it. but that is exactly what
Bob had talked about, that is the essence of why we are here. It is because we are trying to
balance out some of these somewhat competing interests.
MR. BOGER: But give the dogs a chance. The tiger, whoever saw a tiger on the beach ....
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: He was referring to the one in Las Vegas.
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MR. BOGER: But whatever. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I am going to let Dan go. If everybody that hasn't spoken yet, round
two, now we will go with Dan.
MR. CATULLO: Alright, I just wanted, right offthe bat I want to clear up this tiger business. I
brought that up because it was in all the papers. As they say of World War II. This was in the
papers and it was rather dramatic and these little animals were trained up to become monsters
and the fact is they were trained and they turned and almost killed their trainer. And I brought it
up because at the same time I brought up that Florida incident with the killer whale. So there
was nothing on the beach, I wasn't hallucinating or prospecting that. I wanted to make a
statement, I think Bob had said, this thing about leasing time on the beach or spreading it around
so that you have, it is good to have the dog at a certain time and then it is not another and I just
made some notes here, I said it is inappropriate, improper or down right irresponsible behavior
that won't change its nature at the tick of a clock or the flip of a calendar page. And the safe area
becomes a version of the old wild west. If it is bad, it is bad not to be altered by the passage of
time or season. And it seems to me, where you are getting into a real, talk about slippery slopes,
you are getting into a situation where hey, when is the dog going to be allowed on the beach and
not if we are not strictly restricting them to leashes or preventing them from going on beaches in
the first place, is it going to be in the evening, someone mentioned walking at night. I love to
walk in the evening at sunset, I have a beautiful view of the sunsets from my beach. Or is during
the heat of the day when the people are out bathing and that is the safe time for the dogs to be,
everybody has their own impression of when they want to go. I wouldn't be caught dead on the
beach at high noon on a summer day when everybody else is loving it when they come out from
the city. But on the other hand, i like autumn walks on the beach. Who is going to define when
I should give my, give in to the free running dogs because somebody has their own notion of
when it is appropriate and that is a point I really wanted to emphasize with this thing. That
rationing out time at the beach and making it an arbitrary designation where this is a good time
for you and you will like it then and you will enjoy it in the autumn or you will enjoy it at noon
and the dogs will have sway the rest of the time. That's the slippery slope you are going to get
into when you start dividing up times and it, as I said, if it is bad, it is bad. If it is inappropriate,
it is inappropriate. If it is dangerous to people, some people mentioning with the children etc, it
is going to be dangerous at 8:00 at night or 5 in the afternoon or in the autumn or spring. Okay.
Thanks.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you.
MR. SMITH: I just need to address what Scott said earlier about the attendants down at the
beach, maybe one checking stickers and the other one checking, 1 had an incident at the Nassau
Point beach where the attendants ending up calling me because we had a service dog come down
with the thmily that they were letting run all over the place. She tried to talk to them, they told
her basically where she could go. They couldn't have cared less. She called me, I went down,
this woman gave me, I mean, holy mackerel, up one side of me, down the other. I finally ended
up calling the police. This woman basically said this is my beach, 1 pay taxes, I can go what I
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damn well please. So that is what you run into, so don't look for the poor kids to have to do
something like this.
MR. BOGER: Then the police should enforce it.
MR. SMITH: But that is the problem. The enforcement. We don't have enough people in this
town to do the enforcement. I don't know how you guys are going to take care of this whole
thing. Because now you have got to look into the service dogs. Somebody said as far as
leashing all the dogs on the beach which I had mentioned before. Don't get me wrong, I love
dogs. We have had dogs all our lives. I just adopted a dog from the shelter for Christmas. So, I
have got two dogs now. But something has to be done with the dogs. They have to be, what's
the word 1 want? Enforced. If you are going to put the laws in, somebody has got to do the
enforcement. I don't know how you are going to do that. That's your job. That's what you get
the big bucks for.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Nancy and then you, Steve.
MS. SAWASTYNOWICZ: As the president of save Cutchogue.com, Dana Albert emailed me
this and asked me to read it tonight. Our dogs love the park at the end of Pequash Avenue, as
many dogs do in the Fleet Neck area. We all pick up after our animals, whether in the park or on
the street. Do not prevent our dogs, ourselves, this little bit of pleasure. After all, if we can't
enjoy this little bit of fun, why do we live here? Certainly not for the stable weather conditions.
Please read this letter at the town meeting. Thank you.
MR. HUSAK: Alright, the other half of this law says domestic animals. I don't see take your
chicken to the beach day or walk your sheep on the beach day. what about horses? Is it going to
affect horses? I mean, there are a lot of people who like to take the horses swimming in 95
degree weather in the summertime, cool them off. What is it going, how are you going to
address that?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We just clarified that with another law. But I haven't had one
incident of complaint regarding horses and we are working with the equine association for access
tbr equine animals on town preserves, such as Marratooka etc. We work very well with that
organization and we incorporate that as part of our management stewardship plan for our open
space preserves.
MR. HUSAK: Alright. The other thing with the leashes. I mean, common sense says if you got
50 dogs on the beach, you short leash your dog. If you got no dogs on the beach, it would be a
beautiful place to let your dog run free. If you got two dogs on the beach, yeah, you long leash
your dog. But unfortunate, you can't legislate common sense. It isn't going to happen. You
know. Do I envision 100 dogs with leashes, 50 foot ropes intertwined? No. I brought up the
Montana law just as an example of a law, not saying that we live in Montana, just tike we don't
have tigers walking on the beach. Thanks.
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SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Okay. Would anybody else like to address the Town Board on this
particular local law?
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: I would like to say something before we close the hearing.
Everybody knows how this came up over a year ago and this was a place to start. We needed a
whole new law on this and what I tried to do is emulate what was going on already in this town
to try to balance both sides. And I have listened to a lot of people and I am continuing to listen
to a lot of people. And 1 think that I am really happy that a lot of people came out for this and
are speaking now because I have tried to reach out to people, I am glad they are out and I think
we have a lot more work on this and you know, we need to tighten certain things up and it's a
start and we are here to, for the people of the town and this is what this law is for. So I
appreciate everybody coming out and speaking their mind on this.
RESULT: CLOSED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Christopher Talbot, Councilman
SECONDER: Louisa P. Evans, Justice
AYES: Ruland, Talbot, Doherty, Evans, Russell
ABSENT: Albert Krupski Jr.
Ph 1/29/13 ~ 4:34 Pm LI/Lio & Li
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, there has been presented to the
Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, on the 2nd day of January,
2013, a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 280~
Zonln~ in connection with Use Regulations within the Light Industrial Park/Planned
Office Park (LIO) District and Light Industrial (LI) District and Retail Sales" and
NOTICE IS HEREBY FURTHER GIVEN that the Town Board of the Town of Southold will
hold a public hearing on the aforesaid Local Law at Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road,
Southold, New York, on the 29th day of January, 2013, at 4:34 p.m. at which time all interested
persons will be given an opportunity to be heard.
The proposed Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 280~
Zoning~ in connection with Use Regulations within the Light Industrial Park/Planned
Office Park (LIO) District and Light Industrial (LI) District and Retail Sales" reads as
follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. 2013
A Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 280, Zoning~ in
connection with Use Regulations within the Light Industrial Park/Planned Office Park
{LIO) District and Light Industrial {LI) District and Retail Sales".
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
Purpose.
It is the intent and purpose of this law to allow retail sales areas within bonafide Light
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Industrial Park uses and Light Industrial uses to further the viability and stability of such
uses in the Town of Southold if certain requirements are met. It is also the intent of this
law to preserve property values and the health, safety and welfare of the community.
II. Chapter 280 of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows:
ARTICLE X1V
Light Industrial Park/Planned Office Park (LIO) District
{}280-58. Use regulations.
B. Uses permitted by special exception of the Board of Appeals. The following uses are
permitted as a special exception by the Board of Appeals as hereinafter provided, subject
to site plan approval by the Planning Board:
(9) Retail sale of items manufactured, assembled, processed and produced on site,
subject to the following conditions:
(a)The premises is located within a designated Hamlet Locus
(HALO) zone;
(b) Retail floor area shall be no more than 15% of the gross floor area of the
building, including all areas having public access, not to exceed 2,000
square feet.
(c) Adequate on-site parking must be available for the retail sales area as
determined by the Planning Board and as set forth in §280-78;
(d)Resale of items produced off site is prohibited;
(e) Should a site contain multiple LIO uses, such uses may utilize a single
retail sales area. In such instances, the single retail floor area shall be no
more than 15% of the total combined gross floor area of all such uses,
including all areas having public access (not to exceed 2,000 square feet).
(f)Outdoor storage and display of retail items is prohibited.
ARTICLE XV
Light Industrial (LI) District
§280-62. Use regulations.
B. Uses permitted by special exception of the Board of Appeals. The following uses are
permitted as a special exception by the Board of Appeals as hereinafter provided and
subject to site plan approval by the Planning Board:
(9) Retail sale of items manufactured, assembled, processed and produced on site,
subject to the following conditions:
(a) The premises is located within a designated Hamlet Locus
(HALO) zone;
(b) Retail floor area shall be no more than 15% of the gross floor area of the
building, including alt areas having public access, not to exceed 2,000
square feet;
(c) Adequate on-site parking must be available for the retail sales area as
determined by the Planning Board and as set forth in §280-78;
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(d) Resale of items produced off site is prohibited;
(e) Should a site contain multiple LI uses, such uses may utilize a single retail
sales area. In such instances, the single retail floor area shall be no more
than 15% of the total combined gross floor area of all such uses, including
all areas having public access (not to exceed 2,000 square feet).
(0 Outdoor storage and display of retail items is prohibited.
IlL SEVERABILITY
If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section, or part of this Local Law shall be adjudged by any
court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the judgment shall not affect the validity of this law
as a whole or any part thereof other than the part so decided to be unconstitutional or invalid.
IV. EFFECTIVE DATE
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State as provided
by law.
I have a notice that it was posted in the Suffolk Times on January 17, 2013, that it was posted on
the Town Clerk's bulletin board on January 9, 2013. I have got a letter from LWRP coordinator
Mark Terry "The proposed action has been reviewed to the New York State Environmental
Conservation regulation part 617 state environmental quality review and it is my determination
that pursuant to part 617.5C 27 the action as proposed is a type II action and therefore is not
subject to SEQRA review." And also from Principal Planner and LWRP coordinator Mark
Terry, that the action is consistent with the LWRP policy standards and therefore consistent with
the LWRP. I have a letter from Donald Wilcenski, who is the chairman of the Southold Planning
Board. "Thank you for the opportunity to provide comments on the amendments to the town
code referenced above. The Planning Board has reviewed the proposed amendments and
supports the changes." And from Suffolk County Planning Commission, that it is a matter of
local determination according to sections A 14-14 to A 14-25. A local determination shall not be
considered either an approval or a disapproval. And that is it.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Would anybody like to address the Town Board on this particular
local law?
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: I would just like to make a comment. We have quite a, some
industrial areas in and around the downtown hamlet zones, across town and some of these areas
are not being utilized, so in order to, some things came up to the Supervisor a year or two ago
about food sales potential, that's grown and processed here on the north fork and some other uses
that we felt would better serve the public and the properties that we already have in place to try
to get these things up and running and people being able to provide their business services to the
community.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Would anybody like to comment on this particular local law?
COUNCILMAN RULAND: I think when we talked about adaptive reuse of commercial
property and the benefits not only to the town as a whole but to the hamlets in which they would
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fall, there is great potential because there have been ideas as the Supervisor has related to us in
the past, that have basically been stymied at the door because the zoning would prohibit what
they wanted to do, certainly as not only moving forward with the master plan that deals with
areas like economic development and the creation of jobs, where a person has a vision for a use
in a zone that could be encouraged and actually come to fruition with a change of zoning like
this, I think it is incumbent that we would seriously consider it because there is much more
benefit than there is detriment.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Great.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Would anybody like to comment on this particular local law?
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Just one last thing in regards to that, we had a wine maker in town
that was looking to do something different and it wasn't adaptable to the zone that they were
looking to do it in and it was discussed at the Board level and everyone was in conjunction with
going forward with something, so this is an example of something that doesn't work, we are
trying to make it work and make it better for the people but if you have something that you have
been told it is not allowed, a particular use in a particular zone, don't be afraid to bring
something to the town board or the planning department to try to make amendments to what we
have in place.
RESULT: CLOSED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Christopher Talbot, Councilman
SECONDER: Jill Doherty, Councilwoman
AYES: William Ruland, Christopher Talbot, Jill Doherty, Scott Russell
ABSENT: Albert Krupski Jr., Louisa P. Evans
Set P.H. Mayne Property Acquisition
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, that pursuant to the provisions of
Chapter 17 (Community Preservation Fund) and Chapter 185 (Open Space Preservation) of the
Town Code, the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby sets Tuesday~ January. 29~ 2013~
at 4:36 p.m, Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road, Southold, New York as the time and
place for a public hearing for the purpose of adding a parcel owned by Frederick H. Mayne to the
Town's Community Preservation Fund Eligible Parcel List and for the purpose of purchasing the
fee title to said parcel for open space purposes. Said parcel is identified as SCTM # 1000-68.-4-
11. The address is 2732 Soundview Avenue, Peconic, New York, located between the southerly
side of Soundview Avenue and the northerly side of CR48 in Peconic in the R-80 zoning district.
The proposed acquisition is for fee title of 2.5075 acres, as per a survey dated January 31, 2003
by Peconic Surveyors, P.C.
The property is important for purposes of open space, aquifer recharge and wetland protection,
similar to the criteria listed for the properties adjacent to and in the vicinity of the subject
property, which are on the current Eligible Parcel List.
The property has been offered for sale to the Town of Southold as open space. The purchase
price is $12,537.50 (twelve thousand five hundred thirty-seven dollars and fifty cents) based on
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an accepted offer of $5,000.00 (five thousand dollars) per acre. The seller may claim a bargain
sale.
The property is being added to the Community Preservation Plan and the purchase will be
funded by the Community Preservation Fund. The purpose of the acquisition is for the
preservation of open space, aquifer recharge and wetland protection. The property will remain in
its undisturbed natural state.
As per Chapter 117 (Transfer of Development Rights) of the Code of the Town of Southold,
Section 117-5, the Land Preservation Coordinator and the Town Board have reviewed the
acquisition and have determined that sanitary flow credits will not be transferred from this
property.
FURTHER NOTICE is hereby given that a more detailed description of the above mentioned
parcel of land is on file in Land Preservation Department, Southold Town Hall Annex, 54375
Route 25, Southold, New York, and may be examined by any interested person during business
hours.
I have a short environmental assessment form, no further action will be taken on that. It was
posted in the Suffolk Times on January 24, 2013 and it was posted on the Town Clerk's bulletin
board on January 22, 2013 and that is it.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you. Would anybody like to be heard on this particular land
acquisition? Melissa?
MELISSA SPIRO, LAND PRESERVATION COORDINATOR: Hi, Melissa Spiro, Land
Preservation Coordinator. As Chris Talbot mentioned, this heating has two purposes. The first
is for the purposed of adding the Mayne property to the town's community preservation plan
eligible parcel list. The current list includes the larger properties adjacent to and in the vicinity
to the Mayne property. These properties are listed as important for open space aquifer recharge
and protection of freshwater wetland purposes. The Mayne property is similar in nature to the
properties surrounding it and it would have been included the original list had it not been for its
size. The original list was based on a computer generated list, starting with parcels over 10
acres. Over the years, we have added many smaller parcels which we missed during the original
preparation of the list. The land preservation committee and I all recommend that this property
be added to the list of eligible parcels tbr the same purposes as the properties surrounding it. the
second purpose of the heating is for the purpose of acquiring the property. As 1 noted, the
property is significant in nature. It contains pristine, freshwater wetlands and it is part of a larger
area of freshwater wetland, expanding from Goldsmiths Inlet south. The purpose of the purchase
is to protect the property from any future residential development which can impact the
environmentally sensitive nature of the area. As it stands now, the property is difficult to
develop due to access issues, however, if the property were to be acquired by an adjacent
landowner, the access issues would be eliminated and the property would have the potential for
development. At this time, the town doesn't own any property in the immediate area, however,
should the town acquire land in the vicinity in the future, the Mayne property would become part
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of that overall preserved area and may perhaps be incorporated into a potential future trail system
if such is proposed in the management plan for the area. The landowner offered the land to the
town at a minimal purchase price, the committee reviewed the offer in accordance with the
policy that we have called the small lot policy and the committee and I both recommend that the
Town Board proceed with the purchase. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you. Would anybody like to comment on this particular
acquisition? (No response)
RESULT: CLOSED IUNANIMOUSI
MOVER: Jill Doherty, Councilwoman
SECONDER: William Ruland, Councilman
AYES: William Ruland, Christopher Talbot, Jill Doherty, Scott Russell
ABSENT: Albert Krupski Jr., Louisa P. Evans
Closing Comments
Supervisor Russell
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Okay, would anybody like to comment on any issue? I would invite
you to come up to the microphone now. Mr. Tillman.
Art Tillman
ART TILLMAN: Art Tillman, Mattituck.
replacement of Al Krupski?
Has the Board come to a decision as to the
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We are actually considering all interested applicants. People are
certainly very efficient at getting a hold of me to let me know that they are interested in being
appointed. We will be vetting all of the names and I have to presume I am making an
appointment in the next two weeks. I mean, two weeks from tonight.
MR. TILLMAN: Okay. I would like to title this an appeal to fairness, if you will. Al Krupski, a
Democrat, was always elected with the support of a substantial number of Republicans and
Independent voters. It was Al placing Southold Town ahead of politics that gave him bipartisan
and independent appeal. His was an historic and overwhelming victory to the Suffulk County
legislature. This is a time in history where we are witnessing the negation of the common good
in our country resulting from extreme partisanship. Locally, letters to the editor in the Suffolk
Time reflect this extreme partisanship weekly. The public is well aware of the destructive effects
of partisanship. It has resulted in stalemates and delays and in some cases, suffering. I point to
the delays in hurricane Sandy relief, resulting in partisanship in Congress. Some on Long Island
are still without electricity and heat months later even in this recent period of extreme cold. The
presence of a loyal minority on any legislative body benefits all. An absolute majority does not
serve the interests of the people well. A bipartisan spirit gets things done for the good of all.
Compromise should always be a part of the democratic process. Supervisor Walter in his debate
with Al Krupski stated that ifA1 were elected the Suffolk County Legislature would have a 13 to
5 Democratic veto proof majority. He made a good point but better did A1 Krupski when he
replied that you do not know me well and I have always put the good of our town above partisan
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politics. I am asking the Town Board to proceed in the spirit of good govemment, act in a fair
manner and not appoint a replacement for A1 Krupski who is one of your party. To appoint one
of your own will result in the perception, if not the fact, that you are acting in the interests of
your party and not above bipartisan politics. The Southold Town Board currently has a 5-0
Republican party majority, the percentage of Republican voters registered in Southold Town
constitutes 39.3% of the electorate. You have been elected with the support of those registered
in other parties and the non-affiliated. Asking fairness is not only in the town's interests but also
your own. In consideration to the 60.7 % of those registered in other parties and independents, I
ask you to proceed in the manner of A1 Krupski and what he always exemplified and not appoint
a member of your own party to his unexpired term and giving yourselves a 6~0 Republican
majority. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you, Art. Let me just say for the record publicly, as a few
months ago I had expressed to you and actually some others that with an election in November
that perhaps the seat shouldn't be filled. November doesn't seem that far away. In reviewing
town law, it has become abundantly clear that the intent of the law is that the town must appoint
someone to the vacancy, that the electorate is entitled to a full body, a full legislative body.
Also, the town has a dubious distinction of being a six member town board, which means that we
need four votes to pass anything. As you can see fi.om the absence of Louisa, it is difficult to get
five here present at one meeting much less six. So, again, in reviewing town law section 51, I
have come to conclude that if we were not to appoint someone, we would be subject to either an
article 78 proceeding or an executive declaration fi.om the governor. The intent of the law is for
us to appoint that person. We will do the best we can to find the most qualified person for that
position and I said this to you and I said to the local papers, this position does not belong to the
Democratic party, it does not belong to the Republican party, the Conservative party or the
Independence party. It belongs to the people of Southold Town. They have entrusted us with
making decisions that are in t heir best interests, I trust that we will.
MR. TILLMAN: Then again, I ask you to consider some of the qualified Democrats that will
come before you. Bill Edwards for one, an experienced former councilmember. He has offered
to fill the unexpired term and there are some others out there. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Would anybody else like to address the Town Board?
Bill Shipman
BILL SHIPMAN: Ladies, gentlemen. Bill Shipman, Cutchogue. Obviously we all know why I
am here. Fifty to sixty days now is going to be the start to Vineyard 48's season and I was just
wondering if you have discussed anything on how you are going to attempt to approach it this
year, due to the tact that the litigation really isn't moving forward, it has been adjourned nine
times since May 24th I believe it was? Besides the two times that they heard your motions.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Bill, currently they are in front of the Planning Board for site plan
review.
MR. SHIPMAN: Okay. Meaning?
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COUNCILMAN TALBOT: You can go and attend those meetings and make comments at those
meetings in front of the Planning Board pertaining to what they are going to get approved or not
approved as far as their site plan goes.
MR. SHIPMAN: Okay. I was just looking for a little more help here because we are working on
two and a half to three years.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I assure you, we are doing everything we can.
MR. SHIPMAN: Well, I had a couple of suggestions that I might ....
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: Can I just ....
MR. SHIPMAN: Sure.
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: For the record, I just want to be clear...
MR. SHIPMAN: Any information I can get.
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: The litigation is not at a standstill, the injunctions that the
town has or obtained through the litigation process are in place and will remain in place ....
MR. SHIPMAN: Right but they violated all last year.
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: The adjournment doesn't take away the injunctions, so we
have all those restraints in place and will continue to be place. The matter is being briefed to the
court and we will get a decision on the future of an injunction. As the meantime, as Councilman
Talbot indicated, Vineyard 48 is in the process of submitting a site plan application to the
Planning Board and it is the hope and intention of the town that the issues that have come from
this site will be addressed in that process, through the site plan process. And that the Planning
Board will hear from both Vineyard 48 and members of the public as to the issues that have to be
addressed.
MR. SHIPMAN: Okay but the injunctions that are in place they violated last year anyway and
continued to pretty much do what they wanted to do and not what your town codes and or what
they site plan determined. So I was just wondering if 1 could get a little help with that and even
the hazardous traffic conditions if you want to put them at that. last year channel 12 News came
out, they interviewed Scott, they interviewed a couple of people in the neighborhood. 1 have
been in touch with them and I am going to be issuing them the video documentation. So if this
continues next year, you are going to be putting me, not particularly you, this whole situation is
going to be put on me where why should I have to obtain my own legal attorney representation to
defend, not defend but to defend my quality of life, when technically that there is a boardy barn
type, put them in your commercial zone, make them have their parties there.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: We are hoping all that stuff gets addressed before the season starts.
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MR. SHIPMAN: Well, when am I going to get relied They are making money...
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: We are well aware and I mean, it is pretty sad to me that you have
got one of the neighbors selling his house. He has been a resident of this town his whole life and
he is selling his house to get the heck out of there because he can't stand it anymore.
MR. SHIPMAN: Well, that is another thing. My house is being taxed at $576,000 value as of
recently. So if the town wants to buy my house, I have several other places that I can go and buy
another home, that I am in a position to do if I can sell my house. But I don't think I am going to
be selling my house at that appraised value with this condition every weekend.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Bill, I think you know that this is not an unsympathetic Board. We
are with you every step of the way...
MR. SHIPMAN: I totally understand that.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We are exploring every legal option we can. Some maybe not
discussed publicly but we are doing everything we can.
MR. SHIPMAN: Somebody is going to have to step forward. First, do you have to issue them
the tent permits which increases their ....
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: It is my understanding there are no tent permits in place at this
point.
MR. SHIPMAN: No, not at this time but they are going to get them in March when they go to
open, they are going to be applying for th~m.
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: Sir, all the issues are going to be dealt with in the site plan
process which is commencing right now and I can't get into specifics but I can assure you that
every one of the complaints that have been made in the past will be part of that record and
obviously, you will be invited as a member of the public to participate in the process before the
Planning Board and make your concerns known to the Planning Board so that they can find ways
to mitigate those issues through the site plan process.
MR. SHIPMAN: Okay, because I know you are running in the same, actually more dilemmas
than I am running into. You are running into the legal dilemmas where they are taking their right
to farm and saying that you are picking on them and I am getting nothing, no relief. If they want
to be a regular business, that would be fine. I don't have problems with the vineyards, I don't
have problems with anybody making money but with the traffic conditions that do exist,
somebody is going to get killed. Mr. Talbot, you said you stopped by and saw what their
weekend entailed, yes?
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Yes. Several times.
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MR. SHIPMAN: And if this begins next year, I want to know, will you come over and take a
look?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I have been there many times. I can attest to that, that is why we
worked with the Chief of Police to put extra patrols on site, not just in front of the property but to
put officers inside the building during those events to try to reel in and we wrote many disorderly
conduct charges and all of those things. We have written MVA tickets for the illegal u-tums and
that same presence, if need be we will be there again but we are hoping that it doesn't get that far
this time now, now that it is part of a site plan process.
MR. SHIPMAN: At the end of October, before the hurricane, you had said that that was going
to happen. That weekend it did happen, the next weekend but the following weekend,
complaints were made and they told me they knew nothing about any other special detail that
was supposed to be assigned and that was October 20th. When I did complain, they came down,
they did the traffic enforcement. Change of shift comes, these are problems that I mn into and
you have already heard it but, the shift change comes, they leave. Nobody comes back. So now
I call again, they don't show up until 5:15, 5:30 after I have called 4:15. You know what the
reasoning was? There was a possible fight at the football game in Greenport. So they had
multiple cars there. But this issue is continual and I hate to beat it to death, it was a long night
with the leash law but I just need to know that you are still there, that it has got to end.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: I am hopeful that we will get it reigned in before the season starts
hopefully.
COUNCILMAN RULAND: At the expense of having the Town Attorney throw his shoe at me,
traffic and the management of it is part of the site plan process as well and the process in general
is that the parties sometime are going to have to agree to that plan and once that plan is and the
process is completely transparent as Mr. Finnegan said, the public has every right to participate
in that process and offer input and there is a time also for public comment in hearing situations
such as this and I am sure that there are many more people just as interested as you to comment
on something like that. and I would encourage that to happen. And I find it frustrating because
from a legal standpoint, our hands are tied in some ways because we have to follow every role
and it hurts my heart to hear you tell me that some people don't follow any of the roles even
though they are in place. And what is available to us is only the law to apply and to go through
the process and I agree with Councilman Talbot that we, hopefully, through this process that this
will finally result in an operation at a site that is probably what is in keeping with the
neighborhood.
MR. SHIPMAN: And that is fine to me, leaning back on the traffic issue, because if you have
seen the stretch limousine ....
COUNCILMAN RULAND: I have.
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MR. SHIPMAN: Across the eastbound lanes of 48 and other cars almost crashing into it or
busses, the 60 foot busses parked on the right hand lane or the west bound lane and then do the
whole u-turn across the four lanes. Now this isn't 1, 2, 3, 4 times, this is week in, week out. The
music issue, noise ordinance is practically not enforceable because it doesn't result in the base
beat that is played here, that is a constant thumping noise. So if something is not supposed to be
at this particular location, you know, the little guy needs help here. Not the business and I know
the business has a ton of money behind it and that is what they are doing to the town and the
taxpayers, by making you go through this litigation of retaining and going to court nine times
and it being adjourned. I know you are not adjouming it but enough on my thing, as long as I
know you are there to try to help me, I am going to leave you alone. I am not going to beat you
up like the leash law and I am going to go home. Thank you very much.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Thanks, Bill.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you. Would anyone else like to address the Town Board on
any issue? Steve?
Steve Husak
STEVE HUSAK: Well, I guess after tonight we can talk about respect and common sense in this
town and lack of it. I mean, I feel bad for Billy, a friend of mine. I wouldn't want to live where
he has to live. If you can fill me in on a few things because lately my nose is either spent in a
paramedic text book or traveling back and forth to rotations and stuff, how many bay constables
do we have in this town now?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Right now we have three. The third was just recently hired, so he is
going through the academy. He should be available to us probably in the late spring. We have
hired back the retired senior bay constable to work part time to fill that void until that new hire is
done with the academy.
MR. HUSAK: Can somebody, we have had this conversation before, can somebody explain to
me the principle of having a full time bay constable year round whose only job seems to be to
park in the beach parking lots in the middle of winter and read their newspapers all day?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Actually, the bay constable is a more than full time job year round,
they are not just responsible for patrolling the wetlands and the waterways, they also issue all the
violations that the Trustees notice when they go out on field inspections, construction in wetland
areas, encroachments on setbacks. The Trustees work with the bay constables to issue all of
those violations. That includes not just writing the violation but testifying in court etc.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: And the bay constables also do the shellfish program on a,
daily rainfall checks. There is a lot of different things, there are grants that they get year round,
they make sure the applications for the buoy systems in town, they maintain the buoys when they
take them out of the water, they do the maintenance on them in the winter. There is a lot that
they do.
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MR. HUSAK: Don't get me wrong, I like the guys. I talk to them all the time. I think we need
a lot more of them but I think it could be a seasonal position and we need a lot more. I mean,
obviously you see people complaining about dogs on the beaches and we talk about how we are
going to enforce this. And we have got to empower another group of people, our beaches are
being Mined. We have got no respect for the environment, I mean, I love mother nature, I think
everything we have witnessed as much as destruction and people being still without electricity, it
is still a fascinating place we live in, this planet. You know. I just found out this afternoon,
there is a great white shark of Shinnecock right now, it has got a tag on it, and you can go online
and you can watch this shark and see everywhere she has swam. In the last week, she has come
all the way up here from Florida but we have got to do something about the quality of life out
here and the quality of our beaches and our environment and maximize the number of people we
are putting out for enfomement and keep this place clean. As much as I love the excitement and
Chris, you can understand this, the excitement of working in the city and the volume and calls
and stuff, I love coming home. I mean, I brought up the horses before because after working 12
straight hours in the city and fighting traffic and people on top of each other, I drove down my
block and here come three of my friends down the block on their horses. And I am like, this is
why I live here. So I really hope that we can keep this place what we have and not let it turn into
the Hamptons, not let it mm into the city. And just maximize the enforcement, maximize our tax
dollars to get the best return on them as we can, so that our kids have a place to live and we will
have respect and common sense for each other. And with that, I am going back to work.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Good luck.
Supervisor Russell
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Would anybody else like to comment on any issue? (No response)
Motion To: Adjourn Town Board Meeting
RESOLVED that this meeting of the Southold Town Board be and hereby is declared adjourned
at 7:07 P.M.
Southold Town Clerk
RESULT: ADOPTED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Scott Russell, Supervisor
SECONDER: Christopher Talbot, Councilman
AYES: William Ruland, Christopher Talbot, Jill Doherty, Scott Russell
ABSENT: Albert Krupski Jr., Louisa P. Evans