HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB-06/05/2012ELIZABETH A. NEVILLE
TOWN CLERK
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MARRIAGE OFFICER
RECORDS MANAGEMENT OFFICER
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OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK
SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD
REGULAR MEETING
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
PO Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971
Fax (631) 765-6145
Telephone: (631) 765 - 1800
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MINUTES
June 5, 2012
7:30 PM
A Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board was held Tuesday, June 5, 2012 at the Meeting
Hall, 53095 Main Road, Southold, NY. Supervisor Russell opened the meeting at 7:30 PM with
the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
Call to Order
7:30 PM Meeting called to order on June 5, 2012 at Meeting Hall, 53095 Route 25, Southold,
NY.
Attendee Name Orgamzatlon i
William Ruland Town of Southold
~hristopher Talbot Town of Southold
Jil! Doherty Town of Southold
Albert Krupski Jr. Town 0i3 S°uthold
Louisa P. Evans Town of Southold
Scott Russell
~ii~ageili ~ Nex)ilie
Martin D. Finnegan
Title
Councilman
Councilman
Councilwoman
Councilman
Justice
Town of South01d SUp~isg!7
Town of Southold Town Clerk
Town of Southold Town Attorney
I. Reports
1. Island Group Employee Health Care Plan
2. Special Projects Coordinator
3. Solid Waste Management District
Status Arrived
Present
Present
Present
Present
Present
Present
Present
Present
4. Zoning Board of Appeals
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II. Public Notice
III. Communications
IV. Discussion
1. 9:00 A.M. - Jim Bunchnck
2. 9:30 A.M. - Jim McMahon, Jamie Richter, Michael Collins
3. 9:45 A.M. - Jamie Richter, Michael Collins
4. Town-Wide Beach Cleanup
5. Request by Orient Board of Fire Commissioners to Install a Fire Well on Ryder Farm
Lane
6. Justice Evans
7. LL/Waterfowl & Gull Feeding & Pet Waste
8. LL/Parking Village Lane, Orient
9. LL/Amendments to Chapter 275
10. EXECUTIVE SESSION- Labor
11. EXECUTIVE SESSION - Litigation
12. 10:00 A.M.- Jeff Standish
Opening Comments
Supervisor Scott A. Russell
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Please rise and join in the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag. Thank
you. We have a few public hearings scheduled for tonight. If you are here for a public hearing,
you will have an opportunity to address us shortly. In the meantime, would anybody like to
comment on any of the other agenda items before we get to the meeting? (No response) Okay,
we will get this out of the way and then we will get to the public hearings.
V. Resolutions
2012-462
CA TE GORY: Audit
DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk
Approve Audit
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Southold Town Board Meeting Minutes
Page 3
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby approves the audit dated
June 5, 2012.
VOte R~c6~d ~ ReS°lUti~n RES-2012-462
[] Adopt~
~ Adopt~ as ~md~
~ Tabl~ William Ruland Vot~ ~ ~ ~ D
~ Wi~dmm C~stoph~ Talbot S~ond~ ~ D ~ ~
~ R~c~d~ ~uisa P. Evans ~itiator ~ ~ ~ ~
~ To~ Cl~k's Appt Scott Russell Vot~ ~ ~ ~ ~
2012-463
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Set Meeting
Town Clerk
Set Next Meeting 6/19/12 4.'30 Pm
RESOLVED that the next Regular Town Board Meeting of the Southold Town Board be held~
Tuesda¥~ June 19, 2012 at the Southold Town Hall Southold. New York at 4:30 P. M..
~te ~rd ~ Resoi$fi~ RE~-20i2-463
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay : Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Voter [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Chfistophex Talbot Seconder ~ ri [] []
[] Sup~rvisor's Appt Jill Doherty Voter [] 13 ~ Fl
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Krupski Jr. Voter gl [] [] []
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Initiator [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] 13 []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt ~
[] No Action
2012-461
Tabled 5/22/2012 4:30 PM
CA TEGORY: Enact Local Law
DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk
June 5, 2012
Southold Town Board Meeting Minutes
Page 4
ENA CT LL/Special Events
WHEREAS, there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk
County, New York, on the 24th day of April, 2012, a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in
relation to Amendments to Chapter 205~ Public Entertainment and Special Events" and
WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on the aforesaid
Local Law at which time all interested persons will be given an opportunity to be heard, now
therefor be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ENACTS the proposed Local
Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 205~ Public
Entertainment and Special Events" reads as follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. 2012
A Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 205~ Public
Entertainment and Special Events".
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
1. Purpose.
It is the intent of this Article to establish procedures and requirements for conducting special
events in the Town of Southold to preserve the public peace, good order, the integrity of the use
regulations established under the Zoning Code, to properly provide for the health, safety and
welfare of the general public and to provide penalties for violations of the provisions herein.
It is not the intent of this article to include the following:
Ordinary and occasional use by owners of private property to host private gatherings to
celebrate family events, holidays, etc. or to raise funds for charitable or other not for
profit purposes. However, the use of residential property for profit, such as a venue for
weddings, is prohibited at all times.
The ordinary and occasional use by a special district for fundraising for its own purposes.
Such use shall be on site and have adequate parking, ingress, egress, traffic control, and
facilities to host such an event.
The ordinary and occasional use of a property owned by a not for profit for fundraising
for its own purpose. Such use shall be on site and has adequate parking, ingress, traffic
control and facilities to host such an event.
II. Chapter 205 of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows:
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§205-1. Def'mitions.
PERSON - Any association, partnership, corporation, cooperative group, trust or other entity, as
well as an individual.
SPECIAL EVENT- Any temporary gathering, demonstration, performance, exhibition,
amusement or activity with expected attendance that at any time exceeds the lawful occupancy of
the public area of the building, the parking capacity of the site or that is not currently a permitted
use of the property in the applicable zone, that is conducted or sponsored by a person,
organization, entity or association, including but not limited to carnivals, circuses, fairs, bazaars,
outdoor shows and concerts, parades, walks, runs, marathons, bicycle races or motorcycle rallies,
and which involves one or more of the following:
1)
2)
3)
4)
5)
6)
7)
8)
9)
the closing of a public street;
the use, blocking or restriction of Town property or fights of way;
the use of amplified sound;
the sale of merchandise to the public;
the sale or service of food to the public;
the substantial increase or disruption of the normal flow of traffic on any street or
highway;
the placement of portable toilets;
the placement of temporary no-parking or directional signs or banners;
the use of any Town services that would not be necessary in the absence of such an event
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§205-2. Permit required.
To preserve public peace, good order and the health safety and welfare of the residents of the
Town of Southold, special events shall be prohibited in the Town of Southold, unless a special
event permit is obtained in accordance with the requirements set forth in this chapter. The
Zoning Board of Appeals office may accept a single application for a recurring event or a series
of similar events (not to exceed 6 in a 3 month period) that are of like size and scope.
§205-3. Application Requirements.
Information and material to be submitted with an application for a special event permit includes
the following:
1. A completed Special Event Application Form which includes the following information:
a. Name, address and telephone number(s) of the person (s) who will be organizing
the event and who can be contacted prior to and during the event by town
officials;
b. The address of the event location.
c. Proposed dates and hours of the special event, including set up and shutdown
timesl
d. Expected maximum number of persons intended to use the property at one time
and collectively, including organizers, employees, vendors, exhibitors and
spectators/participants;
e. Expected numbers of automobiles and other vehicles intended to use the property
at one time and collectively;
f. The name, address and telephone number of the person(s) who will be engaged in
the preparation and/or sale of food, alcohol, beer and a copy of the State Liquor
Authority License and County Department of Health Services permit number for
the activity.
g. Name and address and cellular telephone number of any security company which
will work on the premises, and a description of the duties to be performed.
h. The dimensions of any tents to be utilized for the event. All tents erected in
connection with an event will require an application to and the approval of the
Building Department
i. Certification that the property where the event is to take place is not subject to any
covenant or restriction limiting its use, or if the use is restricted by easement or
otherwise, a copy of a survey or diagram depicting the easmnent area and any
reserved area where development fights are intact.
j. The applicant must provide a certificate of general liability insurance naming the
Town of Southold as an additional insured with limits of 2 million dollars per
occurrence or such other limit as may be required by the Town Board.
An application fee in the following amounts for each event:
a. $150.00 for events with up to 250 attendees
b. $250.00 for events with 251 to 500 attendees
c. $350.00 for events with 501 to 749 attendees
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d. $450.00 for events with 750 to 999 attendees
e. $550.00 for events with 1,000 or more attendees
f. Applications that are submitted less than sixty (60) days prior to the proposed
event may be reiected or subject to a late processing fee of $250.00.
A general description of the proposed event including:
a. The purpose of the event and description of the nature of the activities to be
camed on and the admission fee to be charged, if any;
b. Names of groups, organizations, charities or individuals who shall benefit from
the proceeds of the event.
A parkin~event plan showing:
a. The size of the property and its location in relation to abutting streets or
highways;
b. The size and location of any existing building(s) or structure(s) that will be in
operation during the course of the event and any proposed building, structure or
signs to be erected temporarily for the event;
c. The location of the stage or tents, if any;
d. The designated areas of use for spectators, exhibitors, vendors, employees and
organizers;
e. Location of all exits~
f. The location of all fire extinguishers and other fire safety equipment;
g. The location of all temporary utilities to be installed for the event, if any;
h. The layout of any parking area for automobiles and other vehicles and the means
of ingress and egress for such parking areas. The parking spaces must allow for
300 sq. f~. per car.
i. A traffic control plan for vehicles entering and leaving the site for the proposed
event.
j. Plan for the use of live outdoor music, loudspeakers and other sounds which will
be used, if any and the type and location of speakers and other audio equipment.
k. A description of emergency access and facilities related to the event.
1. Provisions to dispose of any garbage, trash, rubbish or other refuse.
m. Location and description of any additional lighting to be utilized in conjunction
with the event;
n. Location of sanitary facilities on site.
A description of any signage to be displayed adjacent to a Town, county or state road.
including size, location and dates of display.
ZBA Chairperson may require the applicant to send and provide certification that written
notice was sent to every property owner abutting or adiacent to the property where the
event is to be held, as shown on the current Town of Southold assessment roll, and
directly opposite (by extension of the lot lines through a street or right-of-way) of the
property that is the subiect of the application. Said notice shall include the date, time and
location of the proposed special event.
Notwithstanding the foregoing, the Chairperson of the Zoning Board of Appeals shall
have the discretion to waive any application requirement set forth in this Section.
§205-4. Application Review Procedure and Standards.
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All applications for a special event permit must be submitted at least sixty (60) days prior
to a proposed event to the Zoning Board of Appeals office. Any applications that are
incomplete will not be accepted or processed.
When the Chairperson of the Zoning Board of Appeals determines said application is
complete, the Chairperson shall distribute said application and documentation to any
Town, County or State agencies that may have jurisdiction over the event for their review
and comment on any of the criteria set forth in §205-4(5) of this Article. Such referrals
may include the Police Department, the Planning Department, the Building Department,
the Land Preservation Department, the Code Enforcement Department, Fire Safety
Inspector and Town Attorney.
Upon receipt of comments, the Chairperson of the Zoning Board of Appeals shall
determine whether to require revisions to the proposed event application.
If no revisions are required or, upon the submission of a revised application, the
Chairperson of the Zoning Board of Appeals may deny or approve the application with
conditions.
In determining whether to grant a special event permit, the Chairperson of the Zoning
Board of Appeals shall consider the following:
a. the size and capacity of the site to accommodate the proposed event;
b. the facilities available;
c. the availability of highway and other means of transportation to and from the site;
d. Impact of the event on the safe and orderly movement of traffic within and
contiguous to the event;
e. Need for the Town to police such event, and whether the numbers of police
officers assigued to properly police such event will prevent the Town from
providing adequate police protection to the remainder of the Town.
f. Impact of the event on fire and police protection and ambulance service to the
areas contiguous to the event and to the Town in general.
g. Impact of the event on the movement of fire-fighting equipment or ambulance
service to the Town or to areas contiguous to the event.
h. Whether the owner, applicant or event sponsor has violated a previously issued
special event permit;
i. Verification that there are no outstanding violations on the property at which the
event will be held or any outstanding or unsatisfied conditions of a town agency
approval, including but not limited to those of the Planning Board or the Zoning
Board of Appeals.
j. Verification that the grant of the permit will not violate any existing covenants or
easements on the property.
k. Whether a permit has been granted for a prior event that was the same or
substantially similar to the event applied for;
1. If two or more events are scheduled for the same date are within a half mile radius
of each other, the Chairperson of the Zoning Board of Appeals will determine if
there are adequate resources for the events. If there are not sufficient resources to
ensure public health and safety, the Chairperson of the Zoning Board of Appeals
shall deny one or more permits if the impacts of the events cannot be mitigated.
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When deciding which event to deny, the Chairperson of the Zoning Board of
Appeals shall consider the following:
i. Whether the event is recurring
ii. Whether the site has been subject to a violation within the last three years.
iii. The date the permit application was submitted.
iv. If events occurred the prior calendar year, the Chairperson of the Zoning
Board of Appeals shall consider what their impact was on that area of the
Town
v. Whether the event will yield a donation to one or more local charities.
m. If an applicant is requesting a special event permit that was held the previous
year, the verification must be submitted from those charities listed on the previous
application.
n. Impacts on adjacent property owners and the surrounding neighborhood; and
o. Any other matters that relates to the health, safety and welfare of the general
public.
Any event held on propert¥owned, leased or controlled by the Town or a Special District
within the Town, or any event where the expected attendance exceeds 1,000 people shall
be subject to approval by resolution of a majority of the Town Board. In reviewing
applications for such events, the Town Board may consider the following criteria in
addition to the criteria set forth above:
a. The size of the premises in relation to the number of people attending the event;
b. The sufficiency of arrangements made to control traffic, parking, noise, lightinE
and refuse;
c. The frequency of events proposed or approved for the premises and whether the
frequency is so ~:eat that the events constitute a persistent usage of the property
incompatible with its character or with that of the surrounding area;
d. Conflicts with ordinary public use of the land or facilities involved;
e. Whether the applicant has been convicted for failure to comply with the terms of
this chapter within the past three years; and
f. Adherence to the Town Board policy of discouraging events at Town beaches and
parks from the Friday before the observance of Memorial Day until Labor Day.
For any event that is not on property owned, leased or controlled bv the Town, a deposit
shall be made in an amount to be determined prior to issuance of the permit based upon
the estimated direct costs attributable to additional police and highway costs associated
with the event. After the event, the deposit will be used to cover such costs and any
monies remaining will be returned to the applicant.
For any event that is to be held on land owned, leased or controlled by the Town of
Southold:
a. the applicant must provide a certificate of general liability insurance naming the
Town of Southold as an additional insured with limits of 2 million dollars per
occurrence or such other limit as may be required by the Town Board
b. the applicant shall pay a clean up deposit of $250; and
c. Where the Town determines that there is no specific Town benefit from the event
or that the event is conducted for profit, a deposit shall be made in an amount to
be determined prior to issuance of the permit based upon the estimated direct
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costs attributable to additional police and highway costs associated with the event.
After the event, the deposit will be used to cover such costs and any monies
remaining will be returned to the applicant.
9. Notwithstanding the foregoing, the Town Board shall have the discretion to waive any
application requirement set forth in this Chapter.
10. A special event permit is not transferrable and shall expire at the close of the event(s) for
which it is issued.
11. The special event permit issued hereunder shall be displayed on the premises during the
special event and shall be available for inspection by a police officer or other
enforcement officer of the Town upon request.
12. Applications for tent permits required for any event must be submitted directly to the
Building Department.
§205-5. Modification or rescission of permit.
If, after a permit is issued, the Chairperson of the Zoning Board of Appeals or Town Board
determine that any of the representations and/or statements contained in the application are
materially inaccurate or any of the conditions of the permit have not been complied with, the
Town may serve the permittee's agent, a notice of rescission of special permit specifying the
manner in which the permittee has not complied with the terms of its permit and/or identifying
the incorrect information supplied in the application. The Zoning Board of Appeals Chairperson
or the Town Board may, for good cause, modify or rescind such permit, absolutely or upon
conditions.
§205-6. Penalties for offenses.
It shall be unlawful for any owner, occupant or their agents or any other person to fail to
comply with any provisions of this chapter or to fail in any manner to comply with a
written notice, directive or order of the Director of Code Enforcement, Zoning Inspector
or the Southold Police Department or to conduct any special event in a manner not in
compliance with a permit issued pursuant to this chapter and with the provisions of this
Code.
For each offense against any of the provisions of this chapter or failure to comply with a
written notice or order of any Director of Code Enforcement, Zoning Inspector or the
Southold Police Department within the time fixed for compliance therewith, the owner,
occupant or their agents or any other person who commits, takes part or assists in the
commission of any such offense or who shall fail to comply with a written order of the
Director of Code Enforcement, Zoning Inspector or the Southold Police Department shall
be subject to the following:
a. Failure to obtain a permit. Any person conducting a special event that is
regulated under this chapter without first obtaining a permit according to the
procedures outlined herein shall be subiect to a fine not less than $500.00 and not
more than $1,000.00.
b. Failure to comply with the terms of a permit. Any person failing to comply with
the terms of a permit shall be subject to a fine of not less than $500.00 and not
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more than $1,500.00. For each subsequent offense, violator shall be guilty of a
misdemeanor punishable by a fine not less than $500.00 nor more than $5,000.00.
No new special event permits will be issued to any property owner, occupant or their
agent if they are a named defendant in an outstanding or unresolved violation of this
Chapter.
The Town may also maintain an action or proceeding in a court of competent jurisdiction
to compel compliance with or to restrain by injunction the violation of this chapter.
III. SEVERABILITY
If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section, or part of this Local Law shall be adjudged by any
court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the judgment shall not affect the validity of this law
as a whole or any part thereof other than the part so decided to be unconstitutional or invalid.
IV. EFFECTIVE DATE
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State as provided
by law.
Vote Reeord- Resolution ~2012-461
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Ye~/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Seconder
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherly Initiator [] [] ~ [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Krapski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
Comments regarding resolution 461
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Scott, did you want to address this before I make a motion?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Yes. We actually were, just let me explain that the work for the
special events legislation clearly needed much more work, we are looking forward to getting
input. There will be new legislation that will be forthcoming but as drafted we needed to defeat
tha~ !~gislation.
2012-464
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Budget Modification
Police Dept
PD Budget Modification
Fiscal Impact:
Police Department - Stifling Eastern Shores Association Donation
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RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the 2012 General
Fund Whole Town budget as follows:
Revenues:
A.2705.40 Gifts & Donations $100
Total $100
Appropriations:
A.3120.2.200.200 Office Equipment/Chairs $100
Total $100
,t' Vote Record - Resolution RES-2012-464
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye NofNay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Initiator [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supcrvisor's Appt Jill Doherty Voter [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Krupski Jr. Seconder [] [] [] []
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Voter ~I [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2012-465
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Attend Seminar
Planning Board
Seminar
Fiscal Impact:
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants permission to Heather
Lanza, Planning Director, Mark Terry, Principal Planner, Brian Cummings, Planner, and
Alyxandra Sabatino, Planner to attend a seminar on "Emerging Trends in Economic
Development & Environmental Protection" at Suffolk County Community College in Riverhead,
on June 12, 2012. All expenses for registration, travel to be a legal charge to the 2012 budget
(meetings and seminars).
Vote Re~ord ~ ReSOlution RES-20i2-465
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Defeated William Ruland Seconder [] : [] [] []
[] Tabled Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Jill Doherty Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Albert Krupski Jr. Initiator [] [] []
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[] Tax Receiver's Appt Louisa P. Evans Voter [] [] [] []
[] Rescinded Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2012-466
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Public Service
Town Clerk
Fireworks Permit to North Fork County Club for a Fireworks Display on July 4, 2012 to Celebrate Its
l OOTh Anniversary
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby approves the issuance of a
firewOrks permit by the Town Clerk to the North Fork Country Club, for a fireworks display on
July 4, 2012, on the Country Club's property at 26342 Main Road, Cutchogue, New York, to
celebrate its 100th Anniversary, upon the payment of a single fee of $100 and subject to the
applicant's compliance with the requirements of the Town's policy regarding the issuance of
fireworks permits and subject to the approval of the Town Attorne'
Vote Record - Resolution RES-2012-466
El Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye-- NO/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Voter [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Seconder [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Kmpski Jr. Voter [] ~ [] [] []
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Initiator [] [] [] []
~ Town Clerk's Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt . ~
[] No Action
2012-467
CA TEGORY: Budget Modification
DEPARTMENT: Human Resource Center
HRC Budget Modification
Fiscal Impact:
To allocate funds into Katinka House supplies expense line
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the 2012 General
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Fund Whole Town budget as follows:
Revenues
A.2705.50 Adult Day Care Donations $600.00
Total $600.00
T._.~o:
Appropriations
A.6772.4.100.120
Supplies and Materials
$600.00
Total $600.00
*' Vote Ree0rd. Reso ut on RES-2012467
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Voter
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Initiator [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doheay Voter [] [] [] ; []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albeal Kmpski Jr. Vot'~'~ r~ ~ [3 []
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans seConder I~ r~ 13 []
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scott Russell v0t-"~
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2012-468
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Employment - FIFD
Accounting
Accepts Resignation of Donald Casavant
WHEREAS the Board of Commissioners of the Fishers Island Ferry District adopted a
resolution at their May 15, 2012 to accept the resignation of the followJng personnel, and
WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold is required to approve appointments and
resignations of employees of the Fishers Island Ferry District, now therefore be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts the resienation
effective May 15~ 2012 of Donald II. Casavant, part-time purser~ for the Fishers Island
Ferry District.
Vote Record - Resolution RES-2012-468
[] Adopted Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Adopted as Amended William Ruland Seconder gl [] [] []
[] Defeated Christopher Talbot Voter ~ [] [] []
[] Tabled
Jill Doherty Initiator [] [] [] []
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[] Withdrawn Albert Kmpski Jr, Voter
[] Supervisor's Appt Louisa P. Evans Voter
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Scott Russell Voter
[] Rescinded
[] Town Clerk's Appt
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
F1 No Action
2012-469
CATEGOR~
DEPARTMENT:
Advertise
Town Clerk
Advertise for Scale Operator
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs the
Town Clerk's office to advertise for the position of provisional Scale Operator for the
Department of Solid Waste.
~' '~ote Reeord- Reso ution RES-2012-469
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Initiator [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] ' [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Voter [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Kmpski Jr. Seconder ' ~ [] [] []
[] Rescinded
Louisa P. Evans ~ I~ [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2012-470
CA TEG OR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Special Events
Recreation
Special Event - Approve Use qf Strawberry Fields
Fiscal Impact:
PD Cost Analysis: $3,122.64
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants permission to the
Southold Town Fire Chief's Council Volunteer Firefighters Memorial Committee to use
Strawberry Fields in Mattituck from Thursday, August 23 - Sunday, August 26 for a carnival to
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raise funds to build a firefighter's memorial in Cochran Park, providing
2.
3.
4.
They file with the Town Clerk a One Million Dollar Certificate of Insurance
naming the Town of Southold and the County of Suffolk as an additional insured;
Coordinate traffic control upon notification of the adoption of this resolution with
Captain Kruszeski
No permanent markings be placed on town, county or state roads or property for
the event;
Any road markings or signs for the event be removed within twenty-four (24)
hours of the completion of the event.
Support is for this year only, as the Southold Town Board continues to evaluate the use of town
roads. All fees associated with this event have been waived.
'/Vote Record. Resolution RES-2012-470
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Seconder [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doheay [ Voter ~ Ul~ [] []
[]
? Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Kmpski Jr. Initiator []
[]
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Voter [] []~[] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scott Russell Voter []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2012-471
CATEGORY: Refund
DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk
Refund of Beach Sticker
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby approves a refund of $6.00
for a Southold Town beach sticker #05151, purchased by Donald Kirby, 95 Donna Drive,
Mattituck, NY 11952 in error on May 4, 2012.
· / Vote Record - Resolution RES-2012-471
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended ~Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Defeated William Ruland Voter V~ ' V1 [3 ~ []
[] Tabled Cttristopher Talbot Seconder ~[] [] []
[] Withdrawn Jill Dohcrty Voter []
[] Supervisor's Appt Albert Kmpski Jr. Voter [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Louisa P. Evans ~ []
[] Rescinded Scott Russell Voter [] [] []
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[] Town Cleck's Appt
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2012-472
CA TE G O R Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Attend Seminar
Planning Board
Fishers Island Trip
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants permission to Heather
Lanza, Planning Director; James Rich III, Planning Board Member; Phillip Beltz, Special
Projects Coordinator; Mark Terry, Principal Planner; Brian Cummings, Planner; and Alyxandra
Sabatino, Planner to all travel to Fishers Island on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 and return on
Thursday, May 17, 2012 for thc purpose of conducting public meetings regarding the Southold
Town Comprehensive Plan. All expenses including travel to be a legal charge to the 2012
Planning Budge (meetings and seminars).
· r' Vote Re~ord - R~solutinn RES~2~12-472 '
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Voter [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Initiator [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Voter [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albeil Kmpski Jr. Voter [] ' [] [] []
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Seconder ~ [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scoa Russell Voter [] : [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2012-473
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Employment - Town
Recreation
Rescind 5/22 Resolution-Hire Seasonal Employee
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southotd hereby rescinds the
resolution that was approved at the May 22 meeting appointing the following individuals
for the 2012 summer season, June 23 through September 3.
STILLWATER LIFEGUARDS
Matthew Grzesik (4th year) ....................................... $12.99/hour
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Christiana Man'on (6th year) .................................... $13.54/hour
RECREATION SPECIALISTS OVATER SAFETY INSTRUCTORS)
Breton Worthington (1 st year) .................................... $16.57/hour
All three individuals have declined the position with the town.
and be it further RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby
appoints the following individual for the 2012 summer season, June 23 through
September 3.
STILLWATER LIFEGUARDS HOURLY SALARY
Dylan Hahn (lst year) ................... $12.17
~' Vote Record. ResolutiOn R~8~2012-473
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
I-1 Defeated Yes/Aye NofNay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland ~ Seconder
[]
Withdrawn
Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[]
Jill
Su_ervisor's Appt Doherty Initiator F~ [] [] []
[] Tax Recdvefs Appt Albert Kmpski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Voter [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] : []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2012-474
CA TEGORY: Ratify Fishers Island Reso.
DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk
FIFD Raise Fees for Vehicles Over 18'
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ratifies and approves the
resolution of the Fishers Island Ferry District Board of Commissioners dated May 1, 2012 to
raise fees as follows:
"An ' '
y non-commercial vehicle over 18' will be charged an extra $10.00, residents $5.00, per
round trip as of May 15, 2012 - Sept 5, 2012."
~' Vote ReCord. Resolnti~fi RES-2012¢474 a
[] Adopted ~
[] Adopted as Amended Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Defeated William Ruland : Initiator E] [] [] []
[] Tabled Christopher Talbot -- '
Voter ~ [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Albert Kmpski Jr. Seconder []~ ~ ~ ~
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[] Town Clerk's Appt
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2012-475
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Ratify Fishers Island Reso.
Town Clerk
FIFD Charging Additional Fees for Wait Time
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ratifies and approves the
resolution of the Fishers Island Ferry District Board of Commissioners dated May 1, 2012
charging for additional "wait" time for charters as follows:
"All charters will be allowed one half hour wait time before the boat returns to New London.
After that period they will be billed at a rate orS100 per every 10 minutes."
~' VOte Recot~l - ResolutiOn ~E8-2012..475 ~ " .............
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland ~ [] [] [3~ []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Voter [] ~ [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Krupski Jr. '~ ~ [] ~ [] []
[] RescMded Louisa P. Evans Voter -- [] ~ [] [] ' []
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scott Russell Voter -- [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2012-476
CATEGOR~
DEPARTMENT:
CloseFUse Town Roads
Town Clerk
American Diabetes Bike Ride 2012
Fiscal Impact:
Police Department cost for Event = $0
RESOLVED the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants permission to the
American Diabetes Association to use the following roads for their Annual Bike Ride event~
Tour de Cure on Saturday~ June 9, 2012~ from 10:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m., Main Road (Route
25), Bray Avenue, Great Peconic Bay Blvd, Bay Avenue, New Suffolk Avenue, Grathwohl
Road, Moores Lane, Tabor Road, Soundview Avenue, Mill Lane, County Road 48, Cox Lane,
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Oregon Road, East Mill Road, Wickham Avenue, Cox Neck Lane, Bergen Avenue, and Sound
Avenue providing
1. They file with the Town Clerk a One Million Dollar Certificate of Insurance naming the
Town of Southold as an additional insured;
2. Coordinate traffic control upon notification of the adoption of this resolution with
Captain Kruszeski
3. No permanent markings be placed on town, county or state roads or property for the
event;
4. Any road markings or signs for the event be removed within twenty-four (24) hours of
the completion of the event.
Support is for this year only, as the Southold Town Board continues to evaluate the use of town
roads. All fees for this event have been waived.
~ Vote Record - Re'~olution RES-2012-476
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
~ Tabled William Ruland ~ [] E]~ D~ [3
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Seconder ~ [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Voter [] ~ [] [] []
[] Tax Receivea's Appt Albert Krupski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Initiator [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt ' Scott Russell Voter ~ ~ [] F1
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2012-477
CATEGORY: Advertise
DEPARTMENT: Town Clerk
Advertise for FI Bay Patrolman and Pumpout Boat Operator
RESOLVED the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs the Town
Clerk to advertise for a Fishers Island Bay Patrolman and a Fishers Island Pump-out Boat
Operator in the Fishers Island Foghorn.
¢' Vote RecOrd. Resol
Vote RecOrd - Resolution RES-2012-477
[] Adopted Yes/Aye : No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Adopted as Amended --
William Ruland Voter [] [] [] []
[] Defeated
[] Tabled Christopher Talbot Initiator [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Jill Doherty Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Albert Kmpski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Louisa P, Evans Seconder [] [] Fl []
[] Rescinded Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt
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[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2012-478
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Contracts, Lease & Agreements
Recreation
Hire Summer Recreation Program Instructor
Resolved that the Town Board of the Town of Southold authorizes and directs Supervisor Scott
A. Russell to execute an agreement with the following individual for the summer 2012
Recreation programs, all in accordance with the approval of the Town Attorney. Funding for the
instructors listed.below has been budgeted for in the Recreation Department's 2012 instructor
line A7020.4.500.420.
Megan Vinciguerra (Basic Web Design) ......................... $30/hour
~' V~te ReCO~d = Res0!ution R~S-20i~78 ~ '
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Seconder E] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doher~y Initiator [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Krapski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Voter ~ ~ [] [3
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scott Russell Voter [] ~ ~ ~1
[] Supt Hgwys Appt ~
[] No Action
2012-479
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Contracts, Lease & Agreements
Town Clerk
Microfilm Storage Contract
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs
Supervisor Scott A. Russell to execute an agreement with Perpetual Storage~ Inc.~ 6279 E.
Little Cottonwood Canyon Road~ Sandy~ Utah 84092 in connection with the storage of
microfilm of the Town of Southold in the amount as set forth in Schedule "A", Schedule of
Fees for Services and Additional Services, and Declared Value, attached to this resolution, all
in accordance with the approval of the Town Attorney.
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Vote Record. Resolution RES-2012-479
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain : Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Initiator [] [] [] []
[] With&awn Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] : []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doher~y Voter [] [] [] ~ []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Krupski Jr. Seconder [] [] : [] : []
FI Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Voter [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt ~
[] No Action
2012-480
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Public Service
Town Clerk
Approve the Issuance of a Fireworks Permit by the Town Clerk to the Mattituck Lions, for Fireworks
Displays on June 14 and June 15, 2012 (Thursday and Friday)
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby approves the issuance of a
fireworks permit by the Town Clerk to the Mattituck Lions~ for fireworks displays on
Thursday~ June 14 and Frida,y, June 15~ 2012 in coniunction with the Mattituck Lions'
Strawberry Festival~ on the northeast side of Strawberry Field~ Mattituck, New York upon
the payment of a fee of $100, subject to the applicant's compliance with the requirements of the
Town's policy regarding the issuance of fireworks ~ermits and subject to the approval of the
Town Attorney.
~' Vote Re%rd; R~aolution RES-2012-480
~ Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
E] Defeated ' Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Voter [] [] [] []
~ Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Seconder [] [] [] [3
Fl Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Krupski Jr. Initiator [] [] : [] []
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Voter [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scott Russell Voter [] rn [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2012-481
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CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Surplus Equip - Non Usable
Police Dept
Asset #3302, Unusable Equipment
WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold declared the following vehicle as surplus,
2005 Ford Crown Victoria VIN#2FAHP71W45X126757 Asset #3302 and
WHEREAS the Town Clerk advertised for bids for said surplus and received none, now therefor
be it
RESOLVED that Asset #3302 is to be declared as unusable surplus equipment and disposed of.
¢' Vote Record ~Resolution RES*2012-481 * ~ ~ '~
~ Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Voter [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Tall~t Seconder [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Voter [] ~ [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Krapski Jr. Vot-'---~ [] [] r~ []
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Initiator [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2012-482
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Local Law Public Hearing
Town Attorney
PH 7/3/12 ~ 7.'32 PM Schriever/Change of Zone
WHEREAS, the Town Board has made a motion to amend the Zoning Map of the Town of
Southold by changing the Zoning District designation of SCTM #1000-45-7-5.3 from Residential
Low-Density (R-40) to Residential Office (RO); and
WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Southold referred said Application to the Planning
Board for review and recommendations; and
WHEREAS, the Planning Board conducted a review of said Application and issued a
Memorandum dated April 13, 2012, supporting this Application; and
WHEREAS, the Local Law is entitled "A Local Law to Amend the Zoning Map of the Town of
Southold by Changing the Zoning District Designation of SCTM #1000-45-7-5.3 from
Residential Low-Density (R-40) to Residential Office (RO)".
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NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold is considering the change of zone of
said parcel known as SCTM #1000-45-7-5.3; and it is further
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold establishes itself as lead agency; and
it is further
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold requests that Principal Planner,
Mark Terry, prepare a SEQRA report and recommendations; and it is further
RESOLVED that the Town Clerk of the Town of Southold is directed to forward the matter to
the Suffolk County Planning Commission for a report and recommendations; and it is further
RESOLVED that pursuant to the requirements of Section 265 of the New York State Town Law
and the Code of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, the Town Board of the Town
of Southold will hold a public hearing on the aforesaid Local Law at Southold Town Hall~
53095 Main Road~ Southold~ New York~ on the 3ra day of July~ 2012 at 7:32 p.m. The
purpose of this Local Law is to change the Zoning District Designation of SCTM #1000-45-7-
5.3 from Residential Low-Density (R-40) to Residential Office (RO). The petitioner for this
request is William W. Scluiever. The property is approximately .813 acres (35,403 sq. fi.) and is
located at 820 Front Street, Greenport, New York.
2012-483
CA TEGORY: Employment - Town
DEPARTMENT: Accounting
Authorizes PT Mini Bus Driver Brian Dickerson to Work FT
WHEREAS full-time employee # 5553 in the Town's Programs for the Aging has taken ill and
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is expected to be out of work for approximately 4 weeks and
WHEREAS the Town Board has determined that the Town's Programs for the Aging requires
full~time coverage, now therefore be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes Part-Time Mini
Bus Driver Brian L. Dickerson to work full-time to cover this absence starting on June 4,
2012; rate of pay at Mr. Dickerson's existing rate of $16.93 per hour.
4' Vote ReC°rd .Resolution RE$-2012-483
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Seconder [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doheay Initiator ~ ~
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Kmpski Jr. ~ lq ~ Iq []
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Voter I~ ~ [] ~
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2012-484
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Attend Seminar
Town Attorney
Grants Permission to Assistant Town Attorney, Lori 3~ Hulse, to Attend the Seminar Entitled "Electronic
Filing in NYS Supreme Court" at the Riverhead Courthouse in Riverhead, New York, on dune 11, 2012
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants permission to
Assistant Town Attorney, Lori M. Hulse~ to attend the seminar entitled "Electronic Filim.
in NYS Supreme Court" at the Riverhead Courthouse in Riverhead, New York, on June 11,
2012. All expenses for registration and travel are to be a charge to the 2012 Town Attorney
budget.
'/Vote Rec0rd ~ Resolution RES-2012-484
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Initiator [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn ChristopherTalbot - --V°ter [] [] [] []
[] Supervisors Appt Jill Doherty Voter [] [] [] []
~ Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Kmpski Jr. Seconder -- [] [] [] ~ []
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Voter [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
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[ I I
2012-485
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Attend Seminar
Engineering
Attend Seminar "Protecting Our Water Resources"
RESOLVED the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants permission to James
Richter, Michael Collins and Mark Terry to attend a Long Island Green Infrastructure
Conference and Expo on" Protecting our Water Resources" at Brookhaven National Laboratory,
on June 21, 2012, travel by town vehicle. All expenses for registration shall be a legal charge to
the 2012 Engineering / MS4budget.
*'/¥o~[e Reeord- Re~olm~lon ~1E~-2012~485 *
~ Adopt~
~ Tabl~ William Ruled
~ Sup~im~s Appt Jill ~h~y
~ R~cmd~ ~ui~ P, Evans
~ To~ Cl~k's Appt Sco~ R~sell
2012-486
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Budget Modification
Solid Waste Management District
SWMD Budget Modifications: Gas Monitoring; Equipment Repairs
Fiscal Impact:
l) Moves gas monitioring budget from groundwater line to its own budget line. Includes $1,700for site
assessment work related to methane readings in monitoring well ;46. 2) Provides additional funds to
complete grinder engine rebuild.
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the SWMD 2012
budget as follows:
From:
SR 8160.4.500. t 50 (Groundwater Monitoring) $ 8,000
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SR 8160.4.100.640 (Maint/Supply Trailer Fleet)
SR 8160.4.400.655 (Contr. Repairs CAT 966)
To:
SR 8160.4.500.175' (Gas Monitoring)
SR 8160.4.400.665 (Repairs/CBI Grinder)
$1,500
$1,500 .
$11,000
$ 8,000
$ 3,000
$11,000
*New Budget Line
Vote Re%r~ ReSo nt On RES-2012-486
g~ Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[2 Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Voter [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Seconder [] [] [] []
[] Supervisors Appt Jill Dohecty Voter [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Krupski Jr. Voter ~ ~ [] ,[] []
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Initiator [] [] [3 [3
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scott Russell VoterF~ ? [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt -- -- - ~
[] No Action
2012-487
CATEGOR~
DEPARTMENT:
Budget Modification
Public Works
Fishers Island Basketball Court Improvements
Fiscal Impact.·
Park & Playground Fund
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby increases the General Fund
Whole Town 2012 budget as follows:
TO
Revenues:
A.2025.00
Appropriations:
A.1620.2.500.880
Special Recreation Facilities
Park & Playground
$2,000
Fishers Island Basketball
Court Improvements
' Vote Record - Resolution RES-2012487
Adopted
Adopted as Amended
Defeated William Ruland
Tabled Christopher Talbot
$2,000
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
Voter [] [3 [] []
thitiator ~ ~ [] [] I
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[] Withdrawn Jill Doher~y Seconder [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Albert Kmpski Jr. Voter [] [] [] [3
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Louisa P. Evans Voter gl [] [] []
[] Rescinded Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt ~ ~
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2012-488
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Litigation
Town Attorney
Retain Frank l{ler/Vineyard 48 Litigation
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby retains Frank A. Isler~ Esq.
as Special Counsel in the Supreme Court~ Suffolk County civil action entitled "Town of
Southold v. Rose's Vineyard, LLC and Joseph Paul Winery~ Inc. d/b/a Vineyard 48" under
Index No. 12-15938.
'~ Vote R~ord -Resolution R~.,S-2012-488
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland
Seco_rider -. [~ ~ [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Voter [] ' [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Initiator [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Kmpski Jr. Voter [] ' [] [] []
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Voter [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2012-489
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Contracts, Lease & Agreements
Town Attorney
Peconic Estuary Program Grant Application
WHEREAS, the Peconic Estuary Program has requested the Town's assistance in sponsoring
the submission of a Grant Application to the Suffolk County 0.25% Fund on behalf of the 12
East End Municipalities to fund a Program Coordinator to implement a proposed Inter-Municipal
Agreement for collective efforts in MS4 permit compliance; and
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WHEREAS, the Grant Application will be prepared by the Peconic Estuary Program Office on
behalf of the East End Municipalities, and the Town would act as the lead municipality in grant
administration; and
WHEREAS, the submission of the Grant Application does not commit the Town to signing the
future Inter-Municipal Agreement to be offered to the 12 East End Municipalities; and
WHEREAS, the Town of Southold would have the right to review and approve the future Work
Plan prepared for implementation of the Year 1 tasks to be funded by the grant prior to signing
the Grant Agreement, if awarded.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs
to execute the ¢
[] Tabled William Ruland ~
~ Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Krupski Jr. Seconder
2012-490
CA TE GORY: Seqra
DEPARTMENT: Town Attorney
SEQRA LL/Waterfowl
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby finds that the proposed "A
Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 83~ Anlmals~ in connection with
Waterfowl and Gull Feeding and Pet Waste" is classified as an Unlisted Action pursuant to
SEQRA Rules and Regulations, 6 NYCRR Section 617, and that the Town Board of the Town of
Southold hereby establishes itself as lead agency for the uncoordinated review of this action and
issues a Negative Declaration for the action in accordance with the recommendation of Mark
Terry dated June 4, 2012, and authorizes Supervisor Scott A. Russell to sign the short form EAF
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in accordance therewith, and is consistent with the LWRP pursuant to Chapter 268 of the Town
Code of the Town of Southold, Waterfront Consistency Review.
· ~' vote Record. Re~oluflon RES-2012-490
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Voter [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supervisot's Appt Jill Doherty Voter [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Krupski Jr. Initiator []~ [] [] ~
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Seconder [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2012-494
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Committee Appointment
Town Clerk
Appoint Anne Murray to LPC
RESOLVED the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints Anne Murray to the
Land Preservation Committee to fill the vacancy created by the resignation of Raymond
Huntington, effective immediately through March 31,2013.
'/Vote R~c0rd ,ReSOlution RES-2012-494
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absenl
[] Tabled William Ruland
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Secondcc [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty Voter [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Krupski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Initiator [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2012-495
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Budget Modification
Accounting
June 5, 2012
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Budget Modification ESRI Capital Fund
Fiscal Impact:
Appropriate funds for ESR[ software
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the 2012 Capital
Fund budget as follows:
From:
H.8540.2.100.100
To:
H. 1680.2.500.600
Stormwater Mitigation Program
Total
$20,000
$20,000
ESRI Software $20,000
Total $20 000
Vote Reeord. ReSOlution RES~2012~495
[] Adopted
13 ,~dopted as ~d~
~ Wi~ C~stoph~ Talbot
Sup~isor's Appt Jill Doh~y
R~cMd~ ~uisa P. Evans
2012-496
C~I TE GOR Y: Legislation
DEP.~RTMENT: Town Clerk
Close Public Hearing on Special Events
RESOLVED the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby closes the public hearing on
S >ecial Events held on May 22, 2012.
Vote Record , Resoluil0n R~S-2012:496
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended Yes/Aye--N°/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Defeated William Ruland Voter ~ ~ ~ [3
[] Tabled Christopher Talbot Voter [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Jill Doherty Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Albert Krupski Jr. : Seconder [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Louisa P. Evans Initiator [] F1 [] []
[] Rescinded Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt
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Supt Hgwys Appt J
No Action
2012-491
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Enact Local Law
Town Clerk
Enact LL Chapter 83
WHEREAS there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk
County, New York, on the 10® day of April, 2012, a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in
relation to Amendments to Chapter 83~ Animals~ in connection with Waterfowl and Gull
Feeding and Pet Waste" and
WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on the aforesaid
Local Law at which time all interested persons were given an opportunity to be heard, now
therefor be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ENACTS the proposed Local
Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 83~ Anlmals~ i,,
connection with Waterfowl and Gull Feeding and Pet Waste" reads as follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. 2012
A Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 83~ Animals~ in
connection with Waterfowl and Gull Feeding and Pet Waste".
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
I. Purpose.
It is the intent of this Article to protect the health, safety and welfare of the community
and to assist the Town of Southold and its wildlife by prohibiting the feeding of migratory,
nonmigratory, or resident waterfowl and gulls within publicly owned land or waterways of the
Town of Southold. The feeding of waterfowl and gulls increases the potential for damage to
lands; can cause water quality problems, beach closures, and contamination of shellfish growing
areas; and increases the potential for the spread of disease to residents. In addition, it is the
intent of this Article to protect the welfare of the waterfowl and gulls themselves, since wildlife
studies have shown that the feeding of waterfowl and gulls can interrupt their normal migration
patterns, cause nutritional problems, and promote the spread of serious waterfowl and gulls'
diseases such as avian influenza, avian cholera, plague and botulism. This Article also expands
the scope of the Pooper Scooper Program to include a prohibition of leaving domestic pet waste
on any public property with a goal of further reducing non-point source pollutants and bacteria
levels in stormwater runoff entering waters of the Town.
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II. Chapter 83 of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows:
§83-6. Prohibited activities.
It shall be unlawful for any person owning, harboring, in possession of or in control of any dog
in the Town of Southold to permit or allow such dog to:
C.
D.
E.
Run at large elsewhere than upon the premises of the owner or custodian unless said dog
shall be on a leash or accompanied by a person at least 12 years of age, having adequate
control of such dog, or unless it be upon the premises of another person with the
knowledge and consent of such person. For the purpose of this article, a dog or dogs
hunting in company with a hunter or hunters shall be considered as accompanied by their
owners.
Engage in habitual howling or barking or conduct itself in such a manner as to habitually
annoy any person other than the owner or person harboring such dog.
Cause damage or destruction to property other than the property of the owner or person
harboring such dog.
Chase or otherwise harass any person in such manner as reasonably to cause intimidation
or to put such person in reasonable apprehension of bodily harm or injury.
ARTICLE IV
Waterfowl and Gull Feeding and Domestic Pet Waste
.~83-27. Definitions.
Unless otherwise expressly stated, the following terms shall, for the purpose of this Chapter,
have the meanings as herein defined. An,/word or term not noted below shall be used with a
meaning as defined in Webster's Third International Dictionary of the English Language,
unabridged (or latest edition).
DOMESTIC PET (ANIMAL) - Any animal that has been bred or raised to live in or about the
habitation of humans and is dependent on people for food and shelter. Domestic pets include,
but are not limited to, dogs, cats, horses, swine, donkeys, and goats.
FEED or FEEDING - To place, deposit, scatter, or distribute in a location accessible to
waterfowl or gulls any type of food, including but not limited to corn, wheat or other grains,
bread, popcorn, scraps, or an,/substance liable to be eaten by the waterfowl or gulls.
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PERSON - An individual, association, firm, syndicate, company, trust, corporation, department,
bureau or agency or any other entity recognized by law as the subject of rights and duties.
PUBLICLY OWNED PROPERTY - Any land which is owned, maintained, leased or managed
by the Town of Southold for any purpose whatsoever, including but not limited to, parks,
preserves, beaches and marinas.
WATERFOWL- Those species of birds commonly knownas ............ swans, geese, and ducks
and any other waterfowl falling under the jurisdiction of the United States Fish and Wildlife
Service, and are either migratory, nonmigratory, or resident fowl.
WATERWAYS - A general term referring to lakes, ponds, streams, creeks, stormwater basins,
and harbors.
§83-28. Prohibitions.
A. Waterfowl and Gull Feeding:
It shall be unlawful for any person to:
1. Feed or provide food for any waterfowl or gulls on publicly owned l and~ or
waterways within the Town of Southold at any time of year.
2. Create any condition which results in a congregation of waterfowl or gulls on
Town property which:
(a) results in an accumulation of waterfowl or gull feces or droppings;
(b) results in damage to flora, fauna or property;
(c) results in a threat or nuisance to the public health, safety or welfare;
(d) results in a threat to the health, safety or welfare of said waterfowl or
gulls.
B. Domestic Pet Waste:
It shall be unlawful for any person, owning, harboring, keeping, or in charge of any
domestic pet in the Town of Southold to permit or allow such domestic pet to soil, defile, or
defecate on any common thoroughfare, sidewalk, passageway, roadway, highway, street, beach,
park, preserve or any other public or Town-owned property; or any place where people
congregate or walk; or on any private property without the permission of the owner of said
property. It shall be a violation of this Section unless all feces are immediately removed by said
person in a sanitary manner and then sealed and deposited in a garbage container. Any feces
disposed of in street storm collection systems is prohibited.
§83-29. Enforcement.
The provisions of this Article shall be administered and enforced by the Zoning Inspector and/or
Southold Town Police/Bay Constables who have the power to issue appearance tickets;
provided, however, that for the first year after the effective date of this law, such personnel shall
only issue warnings for violations of this law.
§83-30. Penalties for offenses.
Any person committing an offense against any provisions of this Article shall, upon conviction
thereof, be guilty ora violation punishable by a fine not exceeding $250.00.
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§83-31. Statutory Authori .ty.
In accordance with Section 10 of the Municipal Home Rule Law of the State of New York, the
Town Board of the Town of Southold has the authority to enact local laws and amend local laws
and for the purpose of promoting the health, safety or general welfare of the Town of Southold
and for the protection and enhancement of its physical environment.
IlL SEVERABILITY
If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section, or part of this Local Law shall be adjudged by any
court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the judgment shall not affect the validity of this law
as a whole or any part thereof other than the part so decided to be unconstitutional or invalid.
IV. EFFECTIVE DATE
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State as provided
, law.
· / ¥ot~ Reeorlt x Resolution RES-2012491
g~ Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No?Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Ruland Voter [] [] ~ [] []
[] Withdrawn Cluistopher Talbot Voter [] Fl [] []
[] Supervisors Appt Jill Doherty Voter [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Krupski Jr. Initiator [] [] [] []
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans Seconder [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
[] No Action
2012-492
CA TEGOR Y:
DEPARTMENT:
Enact Local Law
Town Clerk
ENACT Chapter 260 Village La, Orient
WHEREAS there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk
County, New York, on the 8t" day of May, 2012, a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in relation
to Amendments to Chapter 260~ Vehicles and Traffic~ in connection with Parkin},
Restrictions and Traffic and Pedestrian Safet~ on Village Lane and King Street in the
hamlet of Orient" and
WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on the aforesaid
Local Law at which time all interested persons were be given an opportunity to be heard, and
now therefor be it.
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RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ENACTS the proposed Local
Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 260~ Vehicles and
Traffic~ in connection with Parking Restrictions and Traffic and Pedestrian Safe~, on
Village Lane and King Street in the hamlet of Orient" reads as follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. 2012
A Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 260~ Vehicles
and Traffic~ in connection with Parking Restrictions and Traffic and Pedestrian Safe ,ty on
Village Lane and King Street in the hamlet of Orient".
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
Purpose.
The purpose of this local law is to improve safety for pedestrians and vehicles, as well as
dealing with impacts to the public's health, safety and welfare resulting from vehicle
parking and standing on Village Lane and King Street in the hamlet of Orient.
II.
Chapter 260 of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows:
§260-8. Parking prohibited at all times.
The parking of vehicles is hereby prohibited at all times in any of the following locations
and at any other location where signage indicates "no parking":
Name of Street Side
Village Lane West
Location
At Orient, between a point 50 feet
north of the northerly curbline of
Orchard Street and a-pointdCgg-fe~
somher45°gaer~ extending to the
terminus of Village Lane at
the intersection with King Street
Name of Street Side
King Street South
Location
At Orient, from the southeasterly
comer of the intersection of King
Street and Village Lane to the
southwesterly comer of the
intersection of King Street and Willow
Terrace Lane
III. SEVERABILITY
If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section, or part of this Local Law shall be adjudged by any
court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the judgment shall not affect the validity of this law
as a whole or any part thereof other than the part so decided to be unconstitutional or invalid.
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IV. EFFECTIVE DATE
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State as provided
by law.
Vote Record - Resolution RES-2012-492
[] Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended
[] Defeated Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Tabled William Rulasld Voter [] [] [] []
[] Withdrawn Christopher Talbot Voter ~ [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doheay Seconder [] ~ [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt Albert Krupski Jr. Voter [] [] [] []
[] Rescinded Louisa P. Evans : Initiator [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt Scott Russell Voter [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt
E] No Action
Comments regarding resolution 492
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: The motion made was to defeat the no parking law on Village Lane
as drafted. I vote yes with the caveat that we get together and resolve the issue as quickly as we
can.
2012-493
CATEGORY:
DEPARTMENT:
Enact Local Law
Town Clerk
Enact LL Chapter 275
WHEREAS there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffblk
County, New York, on the 8th day of May, 2012, a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in
relation to Amendments to Chapter 275, Wetlands and Shoreline" and
WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on the aforesaid
Local Law at which time all interested persons were given an opportunity to be heard, and now
therefor be it
RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby ENACTS the proposed Local
Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 275, Wetlands and
Shoreline" reads as follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. 2012
A Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 275, Wetlands
and Shoreline"..
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BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
I. Purpose.
In order to continue to protect the natural state of the shorelines and wetlands within the Town of
Southold, while balancing the rights of property owners, it is the purpose of these amendments to
simplify the permit process, codify and clarify existing policies and conform certain regulations
to environmentally accepted practice.
II. Chapter 275 of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows:
§ 275-2. Definitions; word usage.
... v,..~ .............. ~,.~., .... fallowing + .... ~ .......... ~- --~ +~;~ ,~-~,,~-~
aha!! ha;': the :'...ean:ngs ~, .............. Unless otherwise expressly stated, the following terms
shall, for the purpose of this Chapter, have the meanings as herein defined. Any word or term
not noted below shall be used with a meaning as defined in Webster's Third International
Dictionary of the English Language, unabridged (or latest edition).
AQUACULTURE -- The raising or cultivation of ................. L,~114:11~1~ ~. ~.14:1;~4.1
~-*~: .... · .... +~ ; ...... cc~,+~ livin tic org~ sms.
................ : .......... , ................. g aqua i
Poco .... Eay, Long Ecaoh Er,5,, Orient Hr,thor
............... j. Body of water within the
boundaries of the Town of Southold excluding the Long Island Sound and those defined under
Creeks.
BEACH -- The zone of unconsolidated earth that extends landward from the mean low water
line to the seaward toe ora dune or bluff, or whichever is most seaward. Where no dune or bluff
exists landward of a beach, the landward limit of a beach is 100 feet landward from the place
where there is a marked change in material or physiographic form or from the line of permanent
vegetation, whichever is most seaward. Shorelands subject to seasonal or frequent overwash or
inundation are considered to be beaches.
BOAT/VESSEL -- Any floating object capable of carrying people as a means of transportation
in water, including an airplane capable of landing on water as well as any floating structure not
otherwise considered to be part of a dock structure as defined herein, with or without means of
propulsion, that can be moored independently or can be secured by any means to a piling, dock,
bulkhead, groin, or other fixed device located above or below mean high water. This definition
excludes floating docks and swim platforms.
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CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS -- All sites previously nominated by the Town of
Southold and/or Suffolk County and designated by the New York Department of State as Critical
Environmental Areas worthy of protection including but not limited to: Cutchogue Harbor
Wetlands, Hallock's Bay, Dam Pond, Downs Creek, Orient Creek, West Creek, Richmond Creek
and Beach, Brush's Creek, Cedar Beach Creek, Corey Creek, Deep Hole Creek, Goldsmiths
Inlet, Halls Creek, Goose Creek, Little Creek, Mill Creek and Pipes Cove Creek.
FLOAT -- See Boat/Vessel
FUNCTIONAL -- Any structure that has essentially retained its purpose and -,..u:- +u~ ~,
use .............. 4
~^-a. ...... .~:_~ +u ...... . ....... ,:..:. .... issu as determined by the Board of Trustees
GROIN -- A man-made barrier typically perpendicular to the shoreline used to change the
natural littoral drift, prevent erosion, maintain inlet~..,.~-* ...... ~..~, or protect an area from wave
energy. ~
used*".,~ ..... e, .....................
maintain beach elevation, prevent erosion, ~d maintain inlet entrances.,
LOW-PROFILE JETTIES -- The definition of a low-profile jetty is site specific, but typically is
a structure no higher than 18 inches ............ above existing soil or sediment grade on the
down-drift side and shall not extend seaward of apparent low water.
MATERIAL -- Soil, sand, stone, gravel, clay, bog, peat, mud, wood or any other material,
including liquids, organic or inorganic.
MEAN HIGH WATER (MHW) -- The average of all the high water heights observed over the
most previous..._,.,..~,, -; ............. v~,-, r~--~,~'~^a eighteen and a half year period.
MEAN LOW WATER (MLW) -- The average of all the low water heights observed over the
most previous4'~ eighteen and half year period.
MOORING -- Anchoring for greater than 24 4~8 hours other than in designated anchorage areas
as established by a governmental agency.
NONDISTURBANCE BUFFER A vegetated area,, ........................... cr as
designated by the Board of Trustees, immediately landward of the wetland boundary, shoreline
structure, or other line designated by the Trustees where no operations, maintenance, placement
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of signs or other activities may take place, except that man-made debris may be removed from
such area by hand without the permission of the Board of Trustees.
NONTURF BUFFER -- A designated area where turf grass, pesticides and fertilizers are not
permitted. Any pervious material allowing for percolation of surface runoff into the soil i~s
allowed. Examples include ......... native vegetation, wood chips, mulch, gravel, and sand.
Decks may be allowed if they are level or pitched away from the water, are pervious to
precipitation and are constructed of materials other than treated lumber. Any and all runoff
generated by such structures must be allowed to percolate into the ground directly below the
OPERATIONS
(1) The removal of material from wetlands or an,/other;v/sc activit,/within Trustee
jurisdiction.
(2) .r~.~ ,~^~;, ~..~;~. ..... c ~ ~+~.~ ~, The placement, repair or removal of structures,
including, but not limited to, boats, floating docks, floats, dock components, duck blinds
on wetlands or otherwise within Trustee jurisdiction.
(3) The deposit or discharge of material on any area that results in the transport of said
materials into wetlands or otherwise within Trustee jurisdiction.
(4) The erection, construction, alteration, repair or enlargement of any building, dock, pier,
wharf, bulkhead, jetty, groin, or an,/s,/stem or other structure, temporary or permanent,
on wetlands, or otherwise within Trustee jurisdiction.
(5) Removing or otherwise affecting the growth of plants in wetlands or otherwise within
Trustee jurisdiction.
ORDINARY AND USUAL MAINTENANCE -- Actions on a permitted, functional structure
which do not involve more than 75% of the entire structure which are required to preserve in a
condition or state of equivalent quality to that which was approved or required by permit.
PIER -- A fixed structure to secure vessels, unloading or loading persons or property or
providing access to the water. ~
SEASONAL STRUCTURES--- Structures that ma,/not be installed prior to April 1 of each
calendar ,/ear and must be removed by December 1 of each calendar ,/ear.
SILT BOOM -- A structure deployed within the water column that is designed to prevent
passage of suspended sediments and contaminants from spreading from the immediate project
area to surrounding waters, o ..... ~., :~+~,,~.~ ~:,+ ,. ........ ~+~, .......... .~ +~. .... :~+ ....
SOUND -- Includes the following: Long Island Sound, Fishers Island Sound and Block Island
Sound.
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TOWN WATERS -- All the waters within the boundaries of the Town of Southold
WETLANDS (TIDAL)
(2) All banks, bogs, meadows, flats, and tidal marsh and beaches subject to such tides and
upon which grows or may grow some or any of the following: smooth cordgrass (Spartina
altemiflora), salt hay grass (Spartina patens), black grass (Juncus gerardii), saltworts (Salicomia
spp.), sea lavender (Limoneum spp.), marsh elder (Iva frutescens), groundsel (Baecharis
halimfolia), marshmallow (Hibiscus spp.).
§ 275-3. Findings; purpose; jurisdiction; setbacks.
of Southold.
(1)
Jurisdiction: The following areas are subject to protection under Chapter 275 of the Code
Any freshwater wetland, tidal wetland, beach, bluff, dune, flat, marsh,
swamp, wet meadow, bog, or vernal pool;
(2) Any creek, estuary, stream, pond, canal, or lake;
(3) Land under water;
(4) Land subject to tidal action;
(5) Land within 100 feet of the areas listed above;
(6) All Town waters.
D. Setbacks.
(1) The following minimum setbacks apply to any and all operations proposed on
residential property within the jurisdiction of the Board of Trustees:
(b) Bluff!inc. Top of bluff.
[4] Swimming pool and related structures: !00 50 feet.
§ 275-4. Exceptions.
The provisions of this chapter shall not require a permit for the following:
(3) The ordinary and usual operations relative to a bona fide.preexisting commercial
agriculture ~... or ............. horticultural operation landward of the wetland
boundary.
(5) The ordinary and usual maintenance or repair on a permitted structure (of the
same dimensions) of a functional building, dock, pier, wharf, jetty, groin, dike,
dam or other water-control device or c.....
structure,
The demolition, removal, repair and/or upgrading of existing residential fuel
tanks, fuel lines, fuel dispensers, installation or burial of a residential propane
tank, including necessary site work, and provided that such activity will not have
an undue adverse impact on the wetlands and tidal waters of the Town. within
(9)
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(10) Installation of new or replacement windows, roof shingles, solar panels, siding,
doors, and second story additions only if additions are within the existin~
footprint and are made to an upland, permitted structure, dcrmcrg and_g!~:~ng on
(11 ) The relocation of an existing septic system from within Trustee jurisdiction to
outside Trustee jurisdiction.
(12) Flagpoles specifically used for that purpose, with a base not greater than 4 feet by
4 feet.
(13) Operations landward of a public road whereby the public road is located between
the waterbody that is the source of Trustee jurisdiction and the operations.
(11)(14) Notwithstanding the above listed exceptions, operations within a designated
nondisturbance buffer are prohibited.
§ 275-5 Permit procedures.
Administrative permit.
(1) The administrative permit review process is intended to provide for expedited
review for projects that are deemed consistent with the Board's policy regarding
protection of wetland resources. If the proposed operations meet with all the
current setback requirements as defined by §275-3 and do not pose a threat to the
overall function and condition of wetlands or adjacent buffer areas, applicants
may request an administrative permit review. This review does not relieve the
applicant of providing all the application requirements (§275-6) or obtaining
permits from other jurisdictions, including, but not limited to, New York State
Department of Environmental Conservation and United States Army Corp of
Engineers. Under the administrative review process, each application will be
reviewed by at least one member of the Board and approved by the majority. See
§275-8H for details of approval.
(2) The following operations will be considered for administrative review, in
accordance with the standards set forth in §275-11:
(d) Remodeling or renovation ~ of a permitted structure,
provided that such activity will not have an undue adverse impact on the
wetlands and tidal waters of the Town.
(t~)(~) Construction or installation of drainage structures for the retention of
runoff; provided that such structures incorporate the maximum feasible
setback from wetlands and provided that such activity will not have an
undue adverse impact on the wetlands and tidal waters of the Town.
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(3)
(3)(h) The construction of a permitted bulkhead as per §275-11, which is to
replace an existing functional bulkhead, subject to the following:
¢)(i) Minor changes to existing, valid Trustee permits. The Trustees reserve the
right to determine whether the changes qualify for administrative review.
(4)(i) Minor restoration or alterations of landscaping.
(-m)(k) Decks.
(-~)(1) Minor alterations to existing permitted shoreline structures including
stairs, bulkheads and docks.
Dredging work necessitated by the accumulation of silt from runoff or
other circumstances not the result of activity by or on behalf of the owner
of the property.
An application for proposed aquaculture activity that includes surface
mounting gear in an area greater than five square yards.
Deer fences if located a minimum of 25 feet landward of the
wetland boundary line or bulkhead line, whichever designated line is most
landward. Under no circumstances are deer fences permitted in a non
(:p)(m)
(q)l~
(o)
disturbance area.
Any such activities shall may require the addition of a nonturf buffer area net tc
~ as defined in §275-2.
§ 275-6. Application.
Contents of application. A permit may be issued upon the written, verified application of
the person proposing to perform operations on wetlands. Three copies of the complete
application, including all written descriptions, pictures and surveys, shall be submitted to
the C4e~ Office of the Trustees. Such application shall contain the following
information:
(2) At the discretion of the Trustees, a schedule for the proposed activities with a
completion date.
(8) Such application shall be accompanied by a survey and topographical
map, created no more than ~ five years prior to the date of
application, with contours at two-foot intervals, showing all wetlands
within a two-hundred-foot radius of the area from which the removal or in
which the deposit of materials is proposed, or in which structures are to be
erected, certified by a registered land surveyor or registered professional
engineer, licensed bythe State of New York. Such survey and
topographical map shall show the soundings of the area in which
operations are proposed to be conducted. The horizontal control of said
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(14)
survey shall be based on an approved local coordinate system. The
vertical control for elevations shall be based on the United States Coast
and Geodetic Survey datum.
Drainage upgrade. At the discretion of the Board, nonadministrative applications
may require submittal of a drainage upgrade plan. This plan must indicate how all
existing and proposed on-site drainage from a two-inch rainfall is retained within
the subject parcel landward of the wetland boundary. Retention can include but is
not limited to infiltration or impoundment. All drainage plans shall show the
calculations used to develop the plan. At the discretion of the Board said plans
may require certification from a licensed engineer. Applicants may have
additional requirements to meet compliance with Chapter 236.
§ 275-7. Fees.
Every non-administrative application for a Trustees wetlands permit filed with the
C4er& Office of the Trustees shall be accompanied by a filing fee of $250 which
includes the first site visit, no portion of which shall be refundable. The fee for an
administrative permit shall be $50. $100. For s~:c~:res activities that have been
previously built without a permit, the fee will be doubled. If a preapplication site
visit is requested, the fee shall be $50, which may be applied to an application fee
for a wetlands permit made within six months of the site visit and which
application involves activities that were the subject of the site visit.
Dock and float fee. Every application for a new dock or float shall include a fee
equal tc $3 per :quart fcct fcr re~dcntia! and ccmmcrcial a~ocks to be set by the
Town Board. Commercial docks are any structures that are rented, leased or
otherwise used to generate income, including, but not limited to, those structures
located on properties zoned M1 and M2.
§ 275-8. Processing of application.
Presubmission conference. Applicants are encouraged to schedule a voluntary
presubmission site visit to discuss the proposed operations with the Board. Discussions
in the field are purely advisory and nonbinding, but this meeting is intended to facilitate
communication between the applicant and the Board. There will be a fee of $50 for this
conference which may be applied to an application fee for a wetlands permit made within
six months of the site visit and which application involves structures that were the subject
of the site visit.
Investigation and coordination. Upon receipt of the application, the ...... Office of the
Trustees shall maintain the original in the file and forward one copy thereof to each of the
following as necessary: the Conservation Advisory Council, LWRP Coordinator,
Stormwater Management Officer, vih6m-appmpfia~, om~-opy-to the Planning
Department and oi3e-eotyy-to the Zoning Board ~a ........ .^ ~,~ 4~a ..,~ ,u~ ^m~
v.~r'u~,,,~ ,r~.~.,~o~o. The Conservation Advisory Council shall review said application and
the effect, if any, on the wetlands and tidal waters of the Town that may result from the
proposed operations and shall, within 20 days of receipt of the same, forward its written
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report of findings and recommendations with respect to such application to the Trustees.
If the Conservation Advisory Council shall recommend that such application be
disapproved, the reasons for such disapproval shall be set forth in such report. If no
response xs received wlthxn 20 days, ~,~ -er .................. a ...........................
Afi','igoD' C¢,unci! rc:,iew, the review by the Conservation Advisory Council shall be
deemed waived.
§ 275-10. Contents ofpermit.
D.C~ The conditions imposed by the Trustees on the issuance of the permit.
~.D~ The specific location of the areas to be affected by the operations of the permittee.
t~..E_.A statement that "The validity of this permit is or may be subject to the approval of other
governmental or municipal authorities. The Town accepts no responsibility in applying
for or obtaining such approval. In the event that such approval is necessary, the holder of
this permit shall not commence operations hereunder until such approval has been
obtained in writing. The failure to obtain such other approval when required shall subject
this permit to immediate revocation by the Clerk upon receipt by the Clerk of written
notice from such other governmental or municipal authorities of its refusal or
disapproval." Acceptance of the permit is acceptance of this condition.
G:F~. A statement that "The permittee does, by the acceptance of this permit, assume all
responsibility for operations undertaken pursuant to this permit, and shall take all
precautions for the prevention of injuries to persons and property resulting from such
operations. By such acceptance, the permittee also agrees to indemnify and save
harmless the Town and its officers, agents and employees from any and all claims arising
from operations under this permit and any and all acts or omissions of the applicant, his
agents and employees." Acceptance of the permit is acceptance of this condition.
A statement that "The permittee and the owner and occupants of the premises upon which
the operations authorized by this perm)t are being conducted do, by the acceptance of this
permit, give consent to the Town and its officers, employees and agents to enter upon the
premises where such operations are being conducted to make such inspections to
'determine whether said operations are being conducted in conformity with the permit
and, if necessary, to conduct said operations according to the performance guarantee
(§275-9E).
A statement that "The permittee is required' to notify the Trustees in writing one week
prior to initiation of any and all operations."
~.I~ A statement that "The permittee is required to notify the Trustees in writing upon
completion of operations such that the site can be inspected for issuance of a certificate of
compliance (§ 275-13)."
K-:J_. A statement that "The permittee is required to provide evidence that a copy of this
Trustee permit has been recorded with the Suffolk County Clerk's Office as a notice
covenant and deed restriction to the deed of the subject parcel. Such evidence shall be
provided within 90 calendar days of issuance of this permit."
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A statement that "The permittee is required to conspicuously post the permit and have the
supporting Trustees' stamped plans available for immediate inspection at the work site at
the commencement of work until which time the project is completed.
§ 275-11. Construction and operation standards.
General. The following standards are required for all operations within the jurisdiction of
the Trustees:
(1) Drainage upgrade. Applicants for a permit for any form of construction may be
required to upgrade the site's drainage system such that all surface water
generated from impervious surfaces shall be kept onsite through infiltration or
retention. Applicants proposing grading or filling operations will be required to
submit a drainage plan for the entire site at the discretion of the Trustees and
must, in any event, comply with the requirements of Chapter 236. See also §275-
6A(14) for requirements.
(3) New and remodeled homes. New and remodeled homes cannot be situated or
modified such that they project closer to the wetland boundary than the mean
seaward projection of homes in the general vicinity and ~- ....
........ on either side of
the subject lot.
(4) Fences.
(_a) Trustees reserve the right to permit erection of a split-rail fence where the
applicant has shown that there is a need to protect his/her private property.
,,vetta~.
(b) Temporary or seasonal snow fences may be permitted upon a showing of
need for erosion control at the Trustee's discretion. Suck
(c) Fences on a beach shall be perpendicular to the waterline and not closer
than -1-0 20 feet to ....... the apparent high water mark.
(d) Only one posted sign per 100 linear feet of fence is allowed on a split-rail
fence. Posted signs shall be no larger than 12 inches by 12 inches square.
Any fence, barricade or impediment to pedestrian traffic on the beach or
wetland area in violation of the provisions of this chapter shall be removed
upon written notice to the owner of the premises upon which such fence,
barricade or impediment is located sent by certified or registered mail.
Such fence, barricade or impediment shall be removed by the owner
within 30 days of the date of the notice. Upon failure to comply with such
notice, the Building Inspector, the Office of Code Enforcement, Cede
...................... or Bay Constable may remove or cause the removal
of the illegal structure.
(_e) If any fence, barricade or impediment is determined by the Building
Inspector, the Office of Code Enforcement .................... Officer or
Bay Constable to create a hazard to the health, safety or welfare of the
public, such structure may be removed and disposed of by the Town
without prior notice to the owner. Upon removal by the Town, all costs
and expenses incurred by the Town for the removal of such fence,
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barricade or impediment shall be the responsibility of the owner. The
Town may pursue any and all remedies available at law to recover any
unpaid costs associated with removal, including filing a statement with the
Town Assessors, identifying the property in connection with which such
expenses were incurred and the owner thereof as shown on the latest
assessment roll of the Town. The Assessors, in preparation of the next
assessment roll, shall assess such amount upon such property. Such
amount shall be included in the levy against such property, shall constitute
a lien and shall be collected and enforced in the same manner, by the same
proceedings, at the same time and under the same penalty as is provided
by law for the collection and enforcement of real property taxes in the
Town of Southold.
(6) EL°c&s-and Platforms ~T^ ~ ..... ~n~c .... u~n be ~;~a ........
(a) Platforms associated with stairs may not be larger than 32 square feet.
(b) Platforms may not exceed 200 square feet and must be landward of the top
of bluff.
Shoreline structures.
(1) Bulkheads, retaining walls, revetments and gabions.
(--d-)(c) All bulkhead construction and renovation work requires the establishment
of a permanent nonturf buffer as defined by {}275-2.
(~(d) Retaining walls are not permitted unless excessive erosion can be
demonstrated.
(4)~q) In order to prevent the release of metals and other contaminants into the
wetlands and waters of Southold, the use of lumber pre-treated with any
preservative, including but not limited to chromated copper arsenate (also
known as "CCA"), penta products, Alkaline Copper Quat (ACQ), or
homemade wood preservatives is prohibited for use in sheathing and
decking on structures in the wetlands as well as on any part ora structure
in low tidal flow wetland areas as determined by the Trustees. Any use of
creosote is prohibited. Preservatives of any type, including but not limited
to those listed above, cannot be applied to any bulkheads, retaining walls
or revetments after installation. Encapsulated pilings or native
nonchemically treated (untreated) lumber only should be used in sensitive
areas.
(g)ij~ The use of tropical hardwoods is not permitted unless it is certified by the
Forest Stewardship Council or similar organization.
(-~).(g) New bulkheads in creeks and bays are prohibited, unless the operation
involves construction of a low-sill bulkhead or connects to adjoining
functional bulkheads.
(4)(h) Machine excavation is prohibited in tidal and freshwater wetland areas
unless specifically authorized by permit.
(-k-)(i) No discharge pipes are allowed out of or over bulkheads unless permitted
by the Trustees.
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(j) Individual residential stairs are prohibited on bluffs in the Coastal Erosion
Hazard Area if the property is part of an association that maintains a
common stairway within a reasonable distance.
CO(k) Lighting: Any and all lights associated with bulkheads, retaining walls,
stairs or poles in Trustee jurisdiction must be directed on the subject
structure and not out into the adjacent wetland, waterway or property.
Lights shall not be on unless the waterfront is in active use.
(m)q~ Backfilling: Only clean sand can be used for backfilling in eroded and
excavated areas as well as behind new and repaired bulkheads. Garbage,
asphalt, and C&D materials are strictly forbidden for use as backfill
behind bulkheads.
C. In water.
(1)
(2)
Jetties and groins; general rules.
(g) All applicants for jetties and groins extending across the foreshore shall be
required to give and maintain a public passing way, o~he-uptamt on the
landward end of the jetty or groin as necessary, not less than ~r~ve-four feet
in width, to enable persons to pass and repass over said structure by steps
or a ramp allowing pedestrian passage.
~7q[61 Except for structures used for water-dependent uses, there shall be no
permanent structure located on or above the docks, ramps and floats.
[~d[7] Any application for a dock to be constructed at the end of a right-of-way
or commonly held land requires the written consent of all parties having
an interest in the right-of-way, regardless of how property interests in the
upland parcel may be divided among the owner(s), lessee(s), occupant(s),
easement holder(s), or any other person(s) or entity(ies) with a legal or
beneficial interest in any existing or proposed docking facility.
[x~f8] All applicants for docks, including catwalks and ramps, extending across
the foreshore shall be required to give and maintain a public passing way
on the landward end of the dock, not !egg tkmn .~;'e fcct in w~dth, to enable
persons to pass and repass around said dock or by steps or a ramp allowing
pedestrian passage.
[ 10]~ Preexisting nonpermitted and/or nonconforming structures cannot be
replaced in kind without full review and approval by the Trustees.
[11][10[Personal watercraft or "jet ski" floats cannot be added to any float,
stairway, or dock without a Trustee permit. Floats may not
cumulatively exceed 120 square feet.
[12][11]Lighting: Any and all lights associated with docks, floats or poles must
be directed on the subject structure and not out into the adjacent wetland,
Docks.
[6]
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(b)
waterway or property. Lights shall not be on unless the dock is in active
use.
[13][12]Utilities and Water: If power and/or water are to be installed on a dock,
plans for the installation must be provided to the Trustees at the time of
application, installation of such amenities on an existing permitted dock
requires obtaining a permit amendment from the Trustees.
Dock locations and lengths.
[3][d] No floating docks, floats, dock c
omponents, ~ ........... or boats
shall be stored on tidal wetlands, other intertidal areas or
freshwater wetlands between April 1 and December 1 of each
calendar year. No duck blinds may be stored on tidal wetlands,
other intertidal areas or freshwater wetlands at any time.
§ 275-14. Transferability.
A valid Trustees' permit ~ may be transferred to another applicant
.approval of the Trustees upon a determination of the Trustees that the structure in its current stat,.
conforms to the terms and conditions of the permit as issued, o~t ,^~ ~, .... c~_~.~ .....
............. v ..... vv ............................. s. The fee for transferring said permit shall
be $50.
IlL SEVERABILITY
If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section, or part of this Local Law shall be adjudged by any
court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the judgment shall not affect the validity of this law
as a whole or any part thereof other than the part so decided to be unconstitutional or invalid.
IV. EFFECTIVE DATE
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State as provided
by law.
'/Vote Re~ord - Reaolution RES-2012-493
[3 Adopted
[] Adopted as Amended :
Yes/Aye No/Nay Abstain Absent
[] Defeated ~ -
12] Tabled William Ruland [] [] [] []
~ Withdrawn Chr/stopher Talbot [] [] [] []
[] Supervisor's Appt Jill Doherty [] [] [] []
[] Tax Receiver's Appt ~ --~ ~
[] Rescinded Albert Krupski Jr. [] [] [] []
[] Town Clerk's Appt Louisa P. Evans [] [] [] []
[] Supt Hgwys Appt Scott Russell [] [] [] []
1~ No Action ~
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VI. Public Hearings
Motion To: Motion to recess to Public Hearing
RESOLVED that this meeting of the Southold Town Board be and hereby is declared
Recessed in order to hold a public hearing.
RESULT: ADOPTED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Louisa P. Evans, Justice
SECONDER: Albert Krupski Jr., Councilman
AYES: Ruland, Talbot, Doherty, Krupski Jr., Evans, Russell
PH 6/5 7:32 PM LL/Waterfowl & Gull & Pet Waste
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, there has been presented to the
Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, on the 10th day of April,
2012, a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 83~
Animals~ in connection with Waterfowl and Gull Feeding and Pet Waste" and
NOTICE IS HEREBY FURTHER GIVEN that the Town Board of the Town of Southold will
hold a public hearing on the aforesaid Local Law at the Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road,
Southold, New York, on the 5th day of June, 2012 at 7:32 p.m. at which time all interested
persons will be given an opportunity to be heard.
The proposed Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 83~
Animals~ in connection with Waterfowl and Gull Feeding and Pet Waste" reads as follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. 2012
A Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 83~ Animals~ in
connection with Waterfowl and Gull Feeding and Pet Waste".
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
I. Purpose.
It is the intent of this Article to protect the health, safety and welfare of the community
and to assist the Town of Southold and its wildlife by prohibiting the feeding of migratory,
nonmigratory, or resident waterfowl and gulls within publicly owned land or waterways of the
Town of Southold. The feeding of waterfoWl and gulls increases the potential for damage to
lands; can cause water quality problems, beach closures, and contamination of shellfish growing
areas; and increases the potential for the spread of disease to residents. In addition, it is the
intent of this Article to protect the welfare of the waterfowl and gulls themselves, since wildlife
studies have shown that the feeding of waterfowl and gulls can interrupt their normal migration
patterns, cause nutritional problems, and promote the spread of serious waterfowl and gulls'
diseases such as avian influenza, avian cholera, plague and botulism. This Article also expands
the scope of the Pooper Scooper Program to include a prohibition of leaving domestic pet waste
on any public property with a goal of further reducing non-point source pollutants and bacteria
levels in stormwater runoffentering waters of the Town.
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II. Chapter 83 of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows:
§83-6.
E.
Prohibited activities.
ARTICLE IV
Waterfowl and Gull Feeding and Domestic Pet Waste
§83-17. Definitions.
Unless otherwise expressly stated, the following terms shall, for the purpose of this Chaptci,
have the meanings as herein defined. Any word or term not noted below shall be used with a
meaning as defined in Webster's Third International Dictionary of the English Language,
unabridged (or latest edition).
DOMESTIC PET (ANIMAL) - Any animal that has been bred or raised to live in or about
habitation of humans and is dependent on people for food and shelter. Domestic pets include,
but are not limited to, dogs, cats, horses, swine, donkeys, and goats.
FEED or FEEDING - To place, deposit, scatter, or distribute in a location accessible to
waterfowl or gulls any type of food, including but not limited to corn, wheat or other grains,
bread, popcorn, scraps, or any substance liable to be eaten by the waterfowl or gulls.
PERSON - An individual, association, firm, syndicate, company, trust, corporation, department.
bureau or agency or any other entity recognized by law as the subject of rights and duties.
PUBLICLY OWNED PROPERTY - Any land which is owned, maintained, leased or managed
by the Town of Southold for any purpose whatsoever, including but not limited to, parks,
preserves, beaches and marinas.
WATERFOWL- Those species of birds commonly knownas ............ swans, geese, and ducks
and any other waterfowl falling under the jurisdiction of the United States Fish and Wildlifi,
Service, and are either migratory, nonmigratory, or resident fowl.
WATERWAYS - A general term referring to lakes, ponds, streams, creeks, stormwater basins,
and harbors.
~.83-18. Prohibitions.
A. Waterfowl and Gull Feeding:
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It shall be unlawful for any person to:
1. Feed or provide food for any waterfowl or gulls on publicly owned lands or
waterways within the Town of Southold at any time of year.
2. Create any condition which results in a congregation of waterfowl or gulls on
Town property which:
(a) results in an accumulation of waterfowl or gull feces or droppings;
(b) results in damage to flora, fauna or property;
(c) results in a threat or nuisance to the public health, safety or welfare~
(d) results in a threat to the health, safety or welfare of said waterfowl or
gulls.
B. Domestic Pet Waste:
It shall be unlawful for any person, owning, harboring, keeping, or in charge of any
domestic pet in the Town of Southold to permit or allow such domestic pet to soil, defile, or
defecate on any common thoroughfare, sidewalk, passageway roadway, highway, street, beach.
park, preserve or any other public or Town-owned property; or any place where people
congregate or walk; or on any private property without the permission of the owner of said
property. It shall be a violation of this Section unless all feces are immediately removed by said
person in a sanitary manner and then sealed and deposited in a garbage container. Any feces
disposed of in street storm collection systems is prohibited.
§83-19. Enforcement.
The provisions of this Article shall be administered and enforced by the Zoning Inspector and/or
Southold Town Police/Bay Constables who have the power to issue appearance tickets;
provided, however, that for the first year after the effective date of this law, such personnel shall
only issue warnings for violations of this law.
§83-20. Penalties for offenses.
Any person committing an offense against any provisions of this Article shall, upon conviction
thereof, be guilty of a violation punishable by a fine not exceeding $250.00.
§83-21. Statutory Authori ,ty.
In accordance with Section 10 of the Municipal Home Rule Law of the State of New York, the
Town Board of the Town of Southold has the authority to enact local laws and amend local laws
and for the purpose of promoting the health, sfifety or general welfare of the Town of Southold
and for the protection and enhancement of its physical environment.
III. SEVERABILITY
If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section, or part of this Local Law shall be adjudged by any
court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the judgment shall not affect the validity of this law
as a whole or any part thereof other than the part so decided to be unconstitutional or invalid.
IV. EFFECTIVE DATE
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State as provided
by law.
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I have a notice from the LWRP coordinator Mark Terry, 'The proposed local law has been
reviewed to Chapter 268, Waterfront Consistency Review of the Town Code and the LWRP
policy standards. Based upon the information provided to this department, as well as the records
available to me, it is my recommendation that the proposed action is consistent with LWRP
policy standards and therefore is consistent with the LWRP.' A letter from the Suffolk County
Planning Department saying that this is a matter for local determination and that it was posted in
the Suftblk Times on May 24, 2012 and it was posted on the Town Clerk's bulletin board on
April 12, 2012. And that is all I have.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Would anybody like to address the Town Board on this particular
local law? (No response) See, that's the one I thought you were all here for. No one wants to
comment on the pooper scooper law.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: This is actually an important law, too, because it expands our
existing pooper scooper law and because of the MS 4 program we are trying to open up more
creeks to shellfishing and to keep existing creeks that are open, open to shellfishing. And this
will go a long way towards the state recognizing our efforts to keep this type of animal waste out
of the creeks. So it is actually an important law for water quality.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Let me just also quickly mention for those who are using the town's
dog park, this law pertains to you. we are having a problem, you will probably read about it in
the local papers in the next few days, if you are using the dog park, you must pick up after your
dog. We simply don't have the resources to do it for you.
RESULT: CLOSED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Louisa P. Evans, Justice
SECONDER: Albert Krupski Jr., Councilman
AYES: Ruland, Talbot, Doherty, Krupski Jr., Evans, Russell
PH 5/22/12 ~ 4:32 PM LL/Special Events
History:
05/22/12 Town Board ADJOURNED
RESULT: CLOSED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Louisa P. Evans, Justice
SECONDER: Albert Krupski Jr., Councilman
AYES:
Next: 06/05/12
Ruland, Talbot, Doherty, Krupski Jr., Evans, Russell
PH 6/5/12 ~ 7:34 PM LL/Village Lane Parking
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN, there has been presented to the
Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, on the 8th day of May, 2012,
a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 260~ Vehicles and
Traffic~ in connection with Parking Restrictions and Traffic and Pedestrian Safety o.
Village Lane and King Street in the hamlet of Orient" and
NOTICE IS HEREBY FURTHER GIVEN that the Town Board of the Town of Southold will
hold a public hearing on the aforesaid Local Law at Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road,
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Southold, New York, on the 5th day of June, 2012, at 7:34 p.m. at which time all interested
persons will be given an opportunity to be heard.
The proposed Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 260~
Vehicles and Traffic~ in connection with Parking Restrictions and Traffic and Pedestrian
Safet~ on Villaoe Lane and KinK Street in the hamlet of Orient" reads as follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. 2012
A Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 260~ Vehicleg
and Traffic~ in connection with Parking Restrictions and Traffic and Pedestrian Safe .W on
Village Lane and KinK Street in the hamlet of Orient".
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
Purpose.
The purpose of this local law is to improve safety for pedestrians and vehicles, as well as
dealing with impacts to the public's health, safety and welfare resulting from vehicle
parking and standing on Village Lane and King Street in the hamlet of Orient.
II.
Chapter 260 of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows:
{}260-8. Parking prohibited at all times.
The parking of vehicles is hereby prohibited at all times in any of the following locations
and at any other location where signage indicates "no parking":
Name of Street Side
Village Lane West
Location
At Orient, between a point 50 feet
north of the northerly curbline of
Orchard Street and a p~int 675 feet
scu~her!y tkercof extending to the
terminus of Village Lane at
the intersection with King Street
Name of Street Side Location
King Street South At Orient, from the southeasterly
comer of the intersection of King
Street and Village Lane to the
southwesterly comer of the
intersection of King Street and Willow
Terrace Lane
III. SEVERABILITY
If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section, or part of this Local Law shall be adjudged by any
court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the judgment shall not affect the validity of this law
as a whole or any part thereof other than the part so decided to be unconstitutional or invalid.
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IV. EFFECTIVE DATE
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State as provided
by law.
It has been posted in the Suffolk Times on May 24, 2012 and posted on the Town Clerk's
bulletin board on May 16, 2012. We have a letter from Andrew Freleng, Chief Planner for the
County saying 'Pursuant to requirements of sections A 14-14 through A 14-25 of the Suffolk
County Administrative Code, the above reference application which has been to the Suffolk
County Planning Commission is considered to be a matter for local determination as there is no
apparent significant county wide or inter-community impact. A decision of local determination
should not be construed as either an approval or disapproval.' This letter was dated August 1,
2011 'Dear Town Board members, The Board of fire commissioners of the Orient Fire District
respectfully requests the Southold Town Board consider and act to prohibit parking in an area of
Orient Village as follows: We request 'no parking' on the south side of Village Lane fi.om the
Orient Yacht Club to King Street and continuing 100 feet on King Street to the area of Willow
Terrace Lane. This request is due to the narrow road/populated area, for the safety of the
residents, citizens and responding emergency personnel. Currently there is 'no parking'
prohibited on Village Lane from Orchard Street to the yacht club on the west side. Our request
would continue the parking regulation on that side of Village Lane to the area on King Street as
mentioned. Your consideration and action on this matter of safety is appreciated. If any further
information is needed, please contact a board member or the chief of the department.
Respectfully submitted, Claude Kumjian District Administrator.' I have a letter fi.om Venetia
Hands, of the Orient Association. 'Dear Scott, I received a note from John Henry pointing out
that several of the houses on the lower part of Village Lane have very little parking room. A
couple don't have drive or garage and certainly no room for a guest or visitor. I do think the fire
department and town should consider how these residents are going to park and access their own
homes if the ban is extended down the lane. Because they can't park on the other side of the
street, can they? You can pretty much see how tight the situation is by looking at Google earth.
I realize this comes after Ruth Ann, I and others said it seemed okay so long as only one side.
But we weren't looking at this part of the puzzle. I won't be able to attend the hearing on June 5
but I'll see ifa couple of others fi.om Orient Association can. And maybe I can reach out to the
fire department and ask them to take a close look beforehand. Venetia.' A letter from Clare Air,
'The proposal to modify the parking regulations on lower Village Lane and King Street in Orient
is unnecessary as vehicles, including emergency ones, have sufficient room to transit with the
current rules in effect. Further, there is no issue of pedestrian safety as pedestrians use the
sidewalk and/or greenway and the flow of vehicles on the street is light and slow moving so they
have ample opportunity to cross the street safely. The proposed modification would be a severe
hardship on property owners in the area who don't have on-site parking and therefore, park on
the street. We are in that category as the owners of a 4 unit vacation accommodation that we
have operated for 19 years and which has been in existence for upward of 80 years as an original
part of the bay house complex. There are approximately 20-25 times throughout the entire year
when there is dense parking on the effected areas of Village Lane and King Street and they are of
short 2-4 hours duration. These occur when there is an event at the yacht club, historical society,
Poquatuck hall or Poquatuck park. During these times, informal verge parking is the norm
southward from beyond the bay house driveway on the east side of the street and southward from
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beyond bayside cottage on the west side of the street, where the curbs end, thereby leaving room
for adequate traffic flow. Because there would be a serious hardship imposed on the residents of
lower Village Lane and King Street with this change, the necessity of the proposal should be
more closely studied and alternatives aired before a decision is made. Fixing one problem by
creating another is not a solution. Thank you.' And we can go to the discussion.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Who would like to go first on addressing the Town Board on this
particular local law?
GLYNNIS BERRY: Glynnis Berry, Peconic green growth. Actually parking on streets is
actually a traffic calming device. And it actually slows traffic so it is safer for pedestrians. It
also blocks cars from hitting pedestrians, so you know, parked cars can actually help safety and
maybe just if there is a problem with the turning radius, just limit a certain distance so that radius
can be accommodated by any emergency vehicle.
JOHN HENRY: Good evening. I am John Henry and I am the owner of two properties on the
south side of Village Lane in Orient. One of them at 2360 and the other at 2440. and I just want
to amplify a bit on what you have already heard but I strongly urge you to reconsider the
proposed rule eliminating parking on the south side of Village Lane and the portion extending
from Orient wharf to King Street where my two properties are. I just want to point out that
prohibiting parking on the west side of Village Lane as is now the case, makes sense. Every
house on the west side in that stretch of upper Village Lane extending from the wharf to Orchard
Street, has a driveway. On the other hand, in lower Village Lane, no fewer than 5 houses in a
row have no driveways, so that the residents have no place to park except on the street. But on
the other side of Village Lane in that same portion, every house has a driveway and it does seem,
I, it hasn't been explained to my satisfaction that there really is a problem of fire trucks getting
through when cars are parked on both sides. Indeed, every Memorial Day celebration, the trucks
manage to get through. It seems to be in a way, a solution in search of a problem but
nonetheless, if one side of the street has to be banned from parking, it should be on the north side
and not on the south side. Thank you.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: Excuse me, could you tell me why there are a lot of residents that
don't have driveways?
MR. HENRY: I think the houses are so close together, there simply isn't space. Some of them
are just small beach cottages and I think one of the owners can address that.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: Maybe someone can, you have to take the mic though. Thank you.
ERICA KLEINE: My name is Erica Kleine and I own one of those properties, it is 2300 Village
Lane. And I have no garage, I have no driveway. It is a summer cottage, I have lived there for
12 years. I have never seen, with an exception of a couple of hours on Thursday evenings when
there are events at the yacht club, maybe 2 hours over a stretch of maybe 8 weeks, there is, you
wouldn't even say congestion but there are you know, there are quite a few cars parked. Even
Memorial Day weekend, there are almost no cars around and as John pointed out, we have
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photos of cars parked on both sides of the road and the fire trucks passed with no problem during
Mcmaorial Day parade. So if they can do it then, I am not really sure why we need any change. I
have no place to park, I mean, I have to park on the street and I would prefer to park in front of
my house than have to drive around looking for parking.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: Thank you.
RICHARD GILLOOLY: Hi, my name is Richard Gillooly. I have two cottages at 222 Old
Village Lane and just to reiterate what my neighbors and friends have said, this is a solution in
search of a problem, we have lived in peace, I have been there for over 40 years and I don't
understand why all of a sudden I am going to be impacted by this regulation that basically
makes no parking in front of two of my cottages. I could go on but you get the drift.
DON ROSE: I am Don Rose, my cottage is at 145 King Street. There are four houses on, at the
comer from Village Lane and King Street to Willow Terrace and I have not mn into any
condition where there has been congested parking along that portion of King Street. My cottage
is being renovated and at times there have been 10 tracks, I am happy to say, 10 trucks working
at the same time at my cottage. But that is going to end the end of June, so I don't understand
why there should be no parking on the street in that small area of town.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Sir, your house is on the north side of that? Or, would it be the
north or west side of King Street? As you make the left on King, you are on the left hand side?
MR. ROSE: That is correct. Make a left on King, I am on the left side.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: You have room for parking on your property though, right?
MR. ROSE: Yeah, I have a driveway.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: So it wouldn't essentially affect you?
MR. ROSE: It would affect guests coming for dinner.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Who else would like to address the Town Board?
MARGARET MINICHINI: Good evening, I am Margaret Minichini, we also have a cottage in
the area, at the comer where the yacht club is. I think that one of the things to take into
consideration that has been mentioned is that there are businesses in terms of the rental cottages
there that are, that have been there for all of these years that don't have any proper parking for
the guests in those cottages to be there, so that you are really sort of impacting the business of
rentals that goes on in that area because about half of those cottages that are along there are
actual rental properties. So I think it has an impact on not just on residents living in the area but
it has an impact on the owners for the businesses in terms of the rentals that they do there as
well.
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ANDY RUROEDE: Andy Ruroede, I am chairman of the Board of Fire Commissioners of the
Orient fire department. The road is narrow, yes, sometimes you can get through. All you need is
one car to stop, the road is done. We can't get through.
UNIDENTIFIED: Inaudible.
MR. RUROEDE: Because some people do that. If we are coming with a fire track in one
direction and somebody is coming in the other direction ....
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Can I just, for the interest of, you are free to speak as many times as
you like but we will let everybody speak and then everybody else can speak.
MR. RUROEDE: I don't want to see anybody get hurt by this. I wish there was, if there is some
other solution, I would love to see it. I just, like I said, you could have one car coming in the
other direction and then the fire track, cars on both sides of the road, it is not going to work.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Andy, can I ask, the speaker before you suggested it was almost a
segmented no parking. The no parking is on the west side as you come down, to shift that over
to the east side, would that be a solution?
MR. RUROEDE: Just as long as we get parking on one side, I think it would solve the problem.
I am not worried too much about which side but it is just should be the point that you have got
the car on each side of the road and one car is coming down the road, we are just not going to get
through.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Okay.
MR. RUROEDE: That's what our point is.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you.
TIM FROST: My name is Tim Frost, my wife spoke before. We have two properties on Village
Lane, one at 2163 and one at 2198. in terms of the alternatives that had been considered, if there
were to be any change, it would appear to me, it would seem to me that the decision should be
considered of moving the no parking to the, what would be the east side of Village Lane. And
the primary reason for that is if you are driving around that comer and you are looking forward
for oncoming traffic, you are going to be looking on the inside of the arc of the radius to the turn.
So that you would be, if there were no parking there, as you made the turn, you would be able to
see whether cars were coming in that direction. I think it is just a consideration you should
make. If there is going to be a change, that it does make sense that the parking, that the no
parking requirement move to the other side of the street. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Who else would like to address the Town Board? Linton?
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LINTON DUELL: I am a member of the Orient fire district, I am a commissioner and what Mr.
Frost just said actually does have some merit. His property is the one that can be the most
impacted by the change in parking because he has a curve in front of his rental properties, it
would be very difficult to get over that or to make any changes. The next couple of properties
are owned by Dick Gillooly and they do park off the road, on the grass in front of a picket fence.
So that could be or could not be something, the problem, to continue further on the road, you get
to John Henry's two properties or excuse me, Erica Kleine. She has room for about one or two
cars off the street right in fi'ont of her property but it is difficult. Then you get a little bit further
and you have John Henry's property. He has a garage plus two spaces in front of the garage for
parking on that side and then he has property to the side, further along the road which is vacant
but which is decorated and landscaped. So there would be parking there. As to which side you
want to have it, that is really immaterial, except for the people who are on the other side that all
ora sudden going to have parking on their property versus the folks on the other side. Of course,
Dick Gillooly has property on both sides and takes up parking on Fletcher or what the other
name of that street is. So, there is ample parking in certain areas for some of these homeowners
and others, it is a hardship. So how you decide whether which side or the other, Mr. Frost's idea
about limiting parking on the east side of the turn, that would Work if it was from the bay house
continuing to King Street. Our whole purpose here is to make sure we have access, a parade on
Memorial Day is one thing, when you are driving a vehicle at about 1 or 2 miles an hour. It is
another thing when you are racing on an emergency call or a fire call, which would be even more
difficult because of the size of our trucks. So those are the things that have to be taken into
consideration. How you want to do it is probably up to you and maybe a planner that has a better
idea of how to facilitate this but it is a concern of ours and we would like to see parking on one
side or the other, especially from the bay house going south on King Street and to the (inaudible)
area on King Street. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Who else would like to address the Board on this particular issue?
ELLEN MCNEILLY: Hi, my name is Ellen McNeilly and i live in Orient and I wanted to speak
in support of some of my neighbors although I don't have property on that particular stretch of
land. Sorry?
TOWN CLERK NEVILLE: Can you pull the mic down? They can't hear you.
MS. MCNEILLY: I said I wanted to speak in support of some of my neighbors who have
expressed concern about the parking regulation. In support of Tim's suggestion about the arc on
the right hand side of it. it's been, I got some information the other day that there are basically
80 emergency calls per year a year to the fire department, 80 % of which are emergency services
that require the ambulance and not the trucks. Therefore, there are roughly 10 tim calls per year
in the entire town of Orient. So the comment was made that it was kind of a solution in search of
a problem, this may have some beating on this issue relative to what's happened, what is in fact
the pattern of calls in the area. So I think that really should be looked at more in terms of what
actually has happened, does happen and whether or not the fire department can in fact stop traffic
when it is answering a call or if there is, because that very often happens in Greenport, I have
seen whenever there is a call or in East Marion whenever there is a call, boom, traffic is stopped,
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cars are moved out of the way, people can't get through. Same thing happened with that fire on
Willow Terrace. Traffic was stopped in the areas that were leading up to it for all the trucks that
were coming from the different towns. So I think that this is a bit of an overkill situation, in my
opinion.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Who else would like to address the Town Board on this particular
issue?
UNIDENTIFIED: What is the procedure? How does this get resolved?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Well, that is something that the Town Board will put on the table
fight now. We are six individual mmnbers here, I will go first, since I am talking. I have to be
honest, I have no reason to doubt the fire department and the commissioners when they say that
there is a problem that needs to be resolved. I am intent on helping them resolve it. at the same
time, I have heard some good suggestions tonight. Mr. Henry had actually emailed me a good
suggestion just the other day. what I would like to see, my personal goal, would be to table this
and sit down with the community, sit down with the fire district officials and see if we can come
up with some reasonable compromise that addresses both concerns. That is my personal view.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: After, I looked at it on Saturday because, you know, you drive
down there and you don't even notice the names of the, (inaudible) Street, so I had to go and
look at it. Took the map and to see where the problem or where I thought there was a problem
and I agree with the Supervisor, I was waiting for the public hearing to get input, to get more
information and I certainly would like to take another look at it, after what I have heard tonight.
UNIDENTIFIED: Inaudible.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: She won't be able to hear when we transcribe the minutes. We need
you to use the microphone so the people who transcribe the minutes can ....
UNIDENTIFIED: I just wondered if there is any precedent for giving stickers so the residents
could at least park in front of their homes, the people that don't have driveways?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Usually in other cases, when we try to solve parking problems, it is
generally the abuse of the beaches. People are going to beaches and they don't have the stickers,
so they park in front of, so we extend those parking by sticker only out, the problem is here is it
is the presence of the vehicle, whether there is a sticker on it or not that is presenting the
problem, that is presenting the challenge. But again, I have heard some good suggestions, I
think these are suggestions that can be resolved with a little bit of dialogue. And also with
Linton's excruciating detail of that Village Lane, I want to hire him per diem in the Assessor's
office.
JUSTICE EVANS: I think we should defeat it and come back with a new law. I do support the
fire department, particularly on that curve, I have driven down there many times and to have
parking on both sides of the street there could be really dicey with a big truck coming along and
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there may only be 80 incidents a year but all it takes is one where a fire truck or the ambulance
cant get there. So I think some kind of compromise may have to be made and maybe the
residents and the fire department can get together and figure out exactly where the no parking
should be, that gives people access to parking that don't have driveways but also gives the fire
department the room to maneuver down there.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Would we need to defeat this? I mean, that would be a substantial
change.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Bring it back to the Transportation Commission, have them look at
it a little more intently?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Okay, the rest of the Board?
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: .I agree with Louisa, I think it is going to have to change so
much that we might as well defeat it and I think it is important that the people that live on the
street help develop the plan.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Okay. Can I invite some of the members of the fire department to
sit down with mc~nbers of the Transportation Commission and go over an alternative plan that
would satisfy all parties? M~mbers in the community, yes.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: The Transportation Commission meeting, the next one coming up
it's on Monday at 10:00 AM. Here, down in the conference room.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We will try to set up a separate meeting in the evening, so that
people can make it. I am sure there are a few members there that would be willing to, you know,
we don't need to have the whole commission, just a few reps from that commission along with
reps from the fire department and the community to work out some reasonable solution. So we
will set that up as an evening meeting, if that would work better for everybody. Okay? Would
anybody else like to comment? (No response)
RESULT: CLOSED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Louisa P. Evans, Justice
SECONDER: Albert Kmpski Jr., Councilman
AYES: Ruland, Talbot, Doherty, Krupski Jr., Evans, Russell
PH 6/5/12 ~ 7:36 PM LL/275 Amendments
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN there has been presented to the
Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, on the 8th day of May, 2012,
a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 275~ Wetlands
and Shoreline" now, therefore, be it
NOTICE IS HEREBY FURTHER GIVEN that the Town Board of the Town of Southold will
hold a public hearing on the aforesaid Local Law at Southold Town Hall, 53095 Main Road,
Southold, New York, on the 5th day of June, 2012 at 7:36 p.m. at which time all interested
persons will be given an opportunity to be heard.
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The proposed Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 275~
Wetlands and Shoreline" reads as follows:
LOCAL LAW NO. 2012
A Local Law entitled, "A Local Law in relation to Amendments to Chapter 275~ Wetland~
and Shoreline".
BE IT ENACTED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows:
I. Purpose.
In order to continue to protect the natural state of the shorelines and wetlands within the Town of
Southold, while balancing the rights of property owners, it is the purpose of these amendments to
simplify the permit process, codify and clarify existing policies and conform certain regulations
to environmentally accepted practice.
II. Chapter 275 of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows:
§ 275-2. Definitions; word usage.
....................... ~ ~, ..... k:rein. Unless otherwise expressly stated, the following term~
shall, for the purpose of this Chapter, have the meanings as herein defined. Any word or term
not noted below shall be used with a meaning as defined in Webster's Third International
Dictionary of the English Language, unabridged (or latest edition).
................ : .......... , ............. m. living aquatic organisms.
.... ~> ........~, ~ ........................... j. Body of water within the
boundaries of the Town of Southold excluding the Long Island Sound and those defined under
Creeks.
BEACH -- The zone of unconsolidated earth that extends landward from the mean low water
line to the seaward toe ora dune or bluff, or whichever is most seaward. Where no dune or bluff
exists landward ora beach, the landward limit of a beach is 100 feet landward from the place
where there is a marked change in material or physiographic form or from the line of permanent
vegetation, whichever is most seaward. Shorelands subject to seasonal or frequent overwash or
inundation are considered to be beaches.
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BOAT/VESSEL -- Any floating object capable of carrying people as a means of transportation
in water, including an airplane capable of landing on water as well as any floating structure not
otherwise considered to be part of a dock structure as defined herein, with or without means of
propulsion, that can be moored independently or can be secured by any means to a piling, dock,
bulkhead, groin, or other fixed device located above or below mean high water. This definition
excludes floating docks and swim platforms.
CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS -- All sites previously nominated by the Town of
Southold and/or Suffolk County and designated by the New York Department of State as Critical
Environmental Areas worthy of protection including but not limited to: Cutchogue Harbor
Wetlands, Hallock's Bay, Dam Pond, Downs Creek, Orient Creek, West Creek, Richmond Creek
and Beach, Brush's Creek, Cedar Beach Creek, Corey Creek, Deep Hole Creek, Goldsmiths
Inlet, Halls Creek, Goose Creek, Little Creek, Mill Creek and Pipes Cove Creek.
FLOAT -- See Boat/Vessel
FUNCTIONAL -- Any structure that has essentially retained its purpose and use w/Lin tko 24
.......... v ........ ~ .... ^ .... * ........*""' .... ' d by th
..~- ....................... ::suu, as determine e Board of Trustees.
GROIN -- A man-made barrier typically perpendicular to the shoreline used to change the
natural littoral drift, prevent erosion, maintain/n!c.t ~-' ......
.......... , or protect an area from wave
energy. ~
JETTY A man made bamer v-.v ............
....... lBO used
a'"" i i beah le ti p osi d i i i 1
..... , ma nta n c e va on, revent er on, an ma nta n n et entr~ces.,
LOW-PROFILE JETTIES -- The definition of a low-profile jetty is site specific, but typically is
a structure no higher than 18 inches tc ?, inche: above existing soil or sediment grade on the
down-drift side and shall not extend seaward of apparent low water.
MATERIAL -- Soil, sand, stone, gravel, clay, bog, peat, mud, wood or any other material,
including liquids, organic or inorganic.
MEAN HIGH WATER (MHW) -- The average of all the high water heights observed over the
most previous~k~ eighteen and a half year period.
MEAN LOW WATER (MLW) -- The average of all the low water heights observed over the
most previous~ eighteen and half year period.
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MOORING -- Anchoring for greater than Z~4 48 hours other than in designated anchorage areas
as established by a governmental agency.
NONDISTURBANCE BUFFER -- A vegetated area, a m/n/ma:., cf29 feet wide or as
designated by the Board of Trustees, immediately landward of the wetland boundary, shoreline
structure, or other line designated by the Trustees where no operations, maintenance, placement
of signs or other activities may take place, except that man-made debris may be removed from
such area by hand without the permission of the Board of Trustees.
NONTURF BUFFER -- A designated area where turf grass, pesticides and fertilizers are not
permitted. Any pervious material allowing for percolation of surface runoff into the soil is
allowed. Examples include: nature! native vegetation, wood chips, mulch, gravel, and sand.
Decks may be allowed if they are level or pitched away from the water, are pervious to
precipitation and are constructed of materials other than treated lumber. Any and all runoff
generated by such structures must be allowed to percolate into the ground directly below the
OPERATIONS
(1) The removal of material from wetlands or any other:dsc activity within Trustee
jurisdiction.
(2) The d~cs!t er d~scharge zfmater~al The placement, repair or removal of structures,
including, but not limited to, boats, floating docks, floats, dock components, duck blinds
on wetlands or otherwise within Trustee jurisdiction.
(3) The deposit or discharge of material on any area that results in the transport of said
materials into wetlands or otherwise within Trustee jurisdiction.
(4) The erection, construction, alteration, repair or enlargement of any building, dock, pier,
wharf, bulkhead, jetty, groin, or any system or other structure, temporary or permanent,
on wetlands, or otherwise within Trustee jurisdiction.
(5) Removing or otherwise affecting the growth of plants in wetlands or otherwise within
Trustee jurisdiction.
ORDINARY AND USUAL MAINTENANCE -- Actions on a permitted, functional structure
which do not involve more than 75% of the entire structure which are required to preserve in a
condition or state of equivalent quality to that which was approved or required by permit.
PIER -- A fixed structure to secure vessels, unloading or loading persons or property or
providing access to the water. ~
SEASONAL STRUCTURES--- Structures that may not be installed prior to April 1 of each
calendar year and must be removed by December I of each calendar year.
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SILT BOOM -- A structure deployed within the water column that is designed to prevent
passage of suspended sediments and contaminants from spreading from the immediate project
area to surrounding waters .... v~--/ .......... , ........... ~^~-~ ~*~ .......... ,~ ,~- .... ;~, ....
SOUND -- Includes the following: Long Island Sound, Fishers Island Sound and Block Island
Sound.
TOWN WATERS -- All the waters within the boundaries of the Town of Southold
WETLANDS (TIDAL)
(2) All banks, bogs, meadows, flats, an~ tidal marsh and beaches subject to such tides and
upon which grows or may grow some or any of the following: smooth cordgrass (Spartina
altemiflora), salt hay grass (Spartina patens), black grass (Juncus gerardii), saltworts (Salicornia
spp.), sea lavender (Limoneum spp.), marsh elder (Iva frutescens), groundsel (Baccharis
halimfolia), marshmallow (Hibiscus spp.).
WHARF $c,c "Fief."
§ 275-3. Findings; purpose; jurisdiction; setbacks.
of Southold.
(1)
Jurisdiction: The following areas are subject to protection under Chapter 275 of the Code
(2)
(3)
(4)
(6)
Any freshwater wetland, tidal wetland, beach, bluff, dune, flat, marsh, swamp,
wet meadow, bog, or vernal pool;
Any creek, estuary, stream, pond, canal, or lake;
Land under water;
Land subject to tidal action;
Land within 100 feet of the areas listed above;
All Town waters.
Setbacks.
(1) The following minimum setbacks apply to any and all operations proposed on
residential property within the jurisdiction of the Board of Trustees:
(b) Bluff!inc. Top of bluff.
[4] Swimming pool and related structures: 100 5__.Q0 feet.
§ 275-4. Exceptions.
The provisions of this chapter shall not require a permit for the following:
(3) The ordinary and usual operations relative to a bona fide.preexisting commercial
agriculture and or kcXicu!V,:'rc horticultural operation landward of the wetland
boundary.
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(5) The ordinary and usual maintenance or repair on a permitted structure (of the
same dimensions) of a functional building, dock, pier, wharf, jetty, groin, dike,
dam or other water-control device or structure, for which stn:ct~e a wetland
per:r_it kaz bezn is~ucd hy the Town.
(9) The demolition, removal, repair and/or upgrading of existing residential fuel
tanks, fuel lines, fuel dispensers, installation or burial of a residential propane
tank, including necessary site work, and provided that such activity will not have
an undue adverse impact on the wetlands and tidal waters of the Town. within
(10) Installation of new or replacement windows, roof shingles, solar panels, siding,
doors, and second story additions only if additions are within the existing
footprint and are made to an upland, permitted structure. ~ff~r~e, gzmdi~h~
(11) The relocation of an existing septic system from within Trustee iurisdiction to
outside Trustee jurisdiction.
(12) Flagpoles specifically used for that purpose, with a base not greater than 4 feet by
4 feet.
(13) Operations landward of a public road whereby the public road is located between
the waterbody that is the source of Trustee jurisdiction and the operations.
(11 )(14) Notwithstanding the above listed exceptions, operations within a designated
nondisturbance buffer are prohibited.
§ 275-5 Permit procedures.
Administrative permit.
(1) The administrative permit review process is intended to provide for expedited
review for projects that are deemed consistent with the Board's policy regarding
protection of wetland resources. If the proposed operations meet with all the
current setback requirements as defined by §275-3 and do not pose a threat to the
overall function and condition of wetlands or adjacent buffer areas, applicants
may request an administrative permit review. This review does not relieve the
applicant of providing all the application requirements (§275-6) or obtaining
permits from other jurisdictions, including, but not limited to, New York State
Department of Environmental Conservation and United States Army Corp of
Engineers. Under the administrative review process, each application will be
reviewed by at least one member of the Board and approved by the maiority. See
§275-8H for details of approval.
(2) The following operations will be considered for administrative review, in
accordance with the standards set forth in §275-11:
(d) Remodeling ff renovation ~ of a permitted structure,
provided that such activity will not have an undue adverse impact on the
wetlands and tidal waters of the Town.
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(3)
(~(m)
(o)
J J ,
Construction or installation of drainage structures for the retention of
runoff, provided that such structures incorporate the maximum feasible
setback from wetlands and provided that such activity will not have an
undue adverse impact on the wetlands and tidal waters of the Town.
The construction of a permitted bulkhead as per §275-11, which is to
replace an existing functional bulkhead, subject to the following:
Minor changes to existing, valid Trustee permits. The Trustees reserve the
right to determine whether the changes qualify for administrative review.
Minor restoration or alterations of landscaping.
Decks.
Minor alterations to existing permitted shoreline structures including
stairs, bulkheads and docks.
· . Dredging work necessitated by the accumulation of silt from runoff or
other circumstances not the result of activity by or on behalf of the owner
of the property.
An application for proposed aquaculture activity that includes surface
mounting gear in an area greater than five square yards.
Deer fences if located a minimum of 25 feet landward of the
wetland boundary line or bulkhead line, whichever designated line is most
landward. Under no circumstances are deer fences permitted in a non-
disturbance area.
Any such ' · · ~.nn
act~wt~es ...... ma,/require the addition ora nonturf buffer area net tc
' as defined in §275-2.
§ 275-6. Application.
Contents of application. A permit may be issued upon the written, verified application of
the person proposing to perform operations on wetlands. Three copies of the complete
application, including all written descriptions, pictures and surveys, shall be submitted to
the C-ter& Office of the Trustees. Such application shall contain the following
information:
(2) At the discretion of the Trustees, a schedule for the proposed activities with a
completion date.
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(8)
(14)
Such application shall be accompanied by a survey and topographical map,
created no more than ~ five years prior to the date of application, with
contours at two-foot intervals, showing all wetlands within a two-hundred-foot
radius of the area from which the removal or in which the deposit of materials is
proposed, or in which structures are to be erected, certified by a registered land
surveyor or registered professional engineer, licensed by the State of New York.
Such survey and topographical map shall show the soundings of the area in which
operations are proposed to be conducted. The horizontal control of said survey
shall be based on an approved local coordinate system. The vertical control for
elevations shall be based on the United States Coast and Geodetic Survey datum.
Drainage upgrade. At the discretion of the Board, nonadministrative applications
may require submittal of a drainage upgrade plan. This plan must indicate how all
existing and proposed on-site drainage from a two-inch rainfall is retained within
the subject parcel landward of the wetland boundary. Retention can include but is
not limited to infiltration or impoundment. All drainage plans shall show the
calculations used to develop the plan. At the discretion of the Board said plans
may require certification from a licensed engineer. Applicants may have
additional requirements to meet compliance with Chapter 236.
§ 275-7. Fees.
Every non-administrative application for a Trustees wetlands permit filed with the~-l~d~
Office of the Trustees shall be accompanied by a filing fee of $250 which includes the
first site visit, no portion of which shall be refundable. The fee for an administrative
permit shall be $50. $100. For .......... activities that have been prewously built
without a permit, the fee will be doubled. Ifa preapplication site visit is requested, the
fee shall be $50, which may be applied to an application fee for a wetlands permit made
within six months of the site visit and which application involves activities that were the
subject of the site visit.
Dock and float fee. Every application for a new dock or float shall include a fee-equal-to
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Commercial docks are any structures that are rented, leased or otherwise used to generate
income, including, but not limited to, those structures located on properties zoned M1 and
M2.
§ 275-8. Processing of application.
Presubmission conference. Applicants are encouraged to schedule a voluntary
presuhmission site visit to discuss the proposed operations with the Board. Discussions
in the field are purely advisory and nonbinding, but this meeting is intended to facilitate
communication between the applicant and the Board. There will be a fee of $50 for this
conference which may be applied to an application fee for a wetlands permit made within
six months of the site visit and which application involves structures that were the subiect
of the site visit.
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Investigation and coordination. Upon receipt of the application, the Cqefle-Office of the
Trustees shall maintain the original in the file and forward one copy thereof to each of the
following as necessary: the Conservation Advisory Council, LWRP Coordinator,
Stormwater Management Officer, ~, cne e:~y tc the Planning
Department and mae-eopsqo the Zoning Board ~'~ ........
· ~,^v*~'~,.~,~ ~v_.**~.~ ~ ~.o~,,o. The Conservation Advisory Council shall review said application and
the effect, if any, on the wetlands and tidal waters of the Town that may result from the
proposed operations and shall, within 20 days of receipt of the same, forward its written
report of findings and recommendations with respect to such application to the Trustees.
If the Conservation Advisory Council shall recommend that such application be
disapproved, the reasons for such disapproval shall be set forth in such report. If no
esp i i d ithi 20 day *~' .... ~-*~^-
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~ .~..: .... c, ..... :~ .... : .... the review by the Conservation Advisory Council shall be
dec. ned waived.
§ 275-10. Contents of permit.
t~.C.__:. The conditions imposed by the Trustees on the issuance of the permit.
~..D~ The specific location of the areas to be affected by the operations of the permittee.
hE_. A statement that "The validity of this permit is or may be subject to the approval of other
governmental or municipal authorities. The Town accepts no responsibility in applying
for or obtaining such approval. In the event that such approval is necessary, the holder of
this permit shall not commence operations hereunder until such approval has been
obtained in writing. The failure to obtain such other approval when required shall subject
this permit to immediate revocation by the Clerk upon receipt by the Clerk of written
notice from such other governmental or municipal authorities of its refusal or
disapproval." Acceptance of the permit is acceptance of this condition.
G:.F_. A statement that "The permittee does, by the acceptance of this permit, assume all
responsibility for operations undertaken pursuant to this permit, and shall take all
precautions for the prevention of injuries to persons and property resulting from such
operations. By such acceptance, the permittee also agrees to indemnify and save
harmless the Town and its officers, agents and employees fi'om any and all claims arising
from operations under this permit and any and all acts or omissions of the applicant, his
agents and employees." Acceptance of the permit is acceptance of this condition.
rS.G_:. A statement that "The permittee and the owner and occupants of the premises upon which
the operations authorized by this permit are being conducted do, by the acceptance of this
permit, give consent to the Town and its officers, employees and agents to enter upon the
premises where such operations are being conducted to make such inspections to
determine whether said operations are being conducted in conformity with the permit
and, if necessary, to conduct said operations according to the performance guarantee
(§275-9E).
A statement that "The permittee is required to notify the Trustees in writing one week
prior to initiation of any and all operations."
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4:.I_. A statement that "The permittee is required to notify the Trustees in writing upon
completion of operations such that the site can be inspected for issuance ora certificate of
compliance (§ 275-13)."
K~.J_. A statement that "The permittee is required to provide evidence that a copy of this
Trustee permit has been recorded with the Suffolk County Clerk's Office as a notice
covenant and deed restriction to the deed of the subject parcel. Such evidence shall be
provided within 90 calendar days of issuance of this permit."
L-:.K~.A statement that "The permittee is required to conspicuously post the permit and have the
supporting Trustees' stamped plans available for immediate inspection at the work site at
the commencement of work until which time the project is completed.
§ 275-11. Construction and operation standards.
General. The following standards are required for all operations within the jurisdiction of
the Trustees:
(1) Drainage upgrade. Applicants for a permit for any form of construction may be
required to upgrade the site's drainage system such that all surface water
generated from impervious surfaces shall be kept onsite through infiltration or
retention. Applicants proposing grading or filling operations will be required to
submit a drainage plan for the entire site at the discretion of the Trustees and
must, in any event, comply with the requirements of Chapter 236. See also §275-
6A(14) for requirements.
(3) New and remodeled homes. New and remodeled homes cannot be situated or
modified such that they project closer to the wetland boundary than the mean
seaward projection of homes in the general vicinity and homes on either side of
the subject lot.
(4) Fences.
(a) Trustees reserve the right to permit erection of a split-rail fence where the
applicant has shown that there is a need to protect his/her private property.
,,vethae.4s.
(b) Temporary or seasonal snow fences may be permitted upon a showing of
need for erosion control at the Trustee's discretion.
(c) Fences on a beach shall be perpendicular to the waterline and not closer
than -14) 2._Q0 feet to MHW the apparent high water mark.
(_d) Only one posted sign per 100 linear feet of fence is allowed on a split-rail
fence. Posted signs shall be no larger than 12 inches by 12 inches square.
Any fence, barricade or impediment to pedestrian traffic on the beach or
wetland area in violation of the provisions of this chapter shall be removed
upon written notice to the owner of the premises upon which such fence,
barricade or impediment is located sent by certified or registered mail.
Such fence, barricade or impediment shall be removed by the owner
within 30 days of the date of the notice. Upon failure to comply with such
notice, the Building Inspector, the Office of Code Enforcement, Ccdc
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~ or Bay Constable may remove or cause the removal
of the illegal structure.
(e) If any fence, barricade or impediment is determined by the Building
Inspector, the Office of Code Enforcement,Cede ~ or
Bay Constable to create a hazard to the health, safety or welfare of the
public, such structure may be removed and disposed of by the Town
without prior notice to the owner. Upon removal by the Town, all costs
and expenses incurred by the Town for the removal of such fence,
barricade or impediment shall be the responsibility of the owner. The
Town may pursue any and all remedies available at law to recover any
unpaid costs associated with removal, including filing a statement with the
Town Assessors, identifying the property in connection with which such
expenses were incurred and the owner thereof as shown on the latest
assessment roll of the Town. The Assessors, in preparation of the next
assessment roll, shall assess such amount upon such property. Such
amount shall be included in the levy against such property, shall constitute
a lien and shall be collected and enforced in the same manner, by the same
proceedings, at the same time and under the same penalty as is provided
by law for the collection and enforcement of real property taxes in the
Town of Southold.
(6) ~ Platforms x~ a~ .... Flatfz..'u..s ~,~n ~.~ -~:,+~a ........ u~,.cr~
(a) Platforms associated with stairs may not be larger than 32 square feet.
(b) Platforms ma,/not exceed 200 square feet and must be landward of the top
of bluff.
Shoreline structures.
(1) Bulkheads, retaining walls, revetments and gabions.
(4)(c) All bulkhead construction and renovation work requires the establishment
of a permanent nonturf buffer as defined by §275-2.
(e)~) Retaining walls are not permitted unless excessive erosion can be
demonstrated.
O)(e) In order to prevent the release of metals and other contaminants into the
· wetlands and waters of Southold, the use of lumber pre-treated with any
preservative, including but not limited to chromated copper arsenate (also
known as "CCA"), penta products, Alkaline Copper Quat (ACQ), or
homemade wood preservatives is prohibited for use in sheathing and
decking on structures in the wetlands as well as on any part of a structure
in low tidal flow wetland areas as determined by the Trustees. Any use of
creosote is prohibited. Preservatives of any type, including but not limited
to those listed above, cannot be applied to any bulkheads, retaining walls
or revetments after installation. Encapsulated pilings or native
nonchemically treated (untreated) lumber only should be used in sensitive
areas.
(-gq(f) The use of tropical hardwoods is not permitted unless it is certified by the
Forest Stewardship Council or similar organization.
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In water.
(1)
(2)
New bulkheads in creeks and bays are prohibited, unless the operation
involves construction of a low-sill bulkhead or connects to adjoining
functional bulkheads.
Machine excavation is prohibited in tidal and freshwater wetland areas
unless specifically authorized by permit.
No discharge pipes are allowed out of or over bulkheads unless permitted
by the Trustees.
Individual residential stairs are prohibited on bluffs in the Coastal Erosion
Hazard Area if the property is part of an association that maintains a
common stairway within a reasonable distance.
Lighting: Any and all lights associated with bulkheads, retaining walls,
stairs or poles in Trustee jurisdiction must be directed on the subject
structure and not out into the adjacent wetland, waterway or property.
Lights shall not be on unless the waterfront is in active use.
Backfilling: Only clean sand can be used for backfilling in eroded and
excavated areas as well as behind new and repaired bulkheads. Garbage,
asphalt, and C&D materials are strictly forbidden for use as backfill
behind bulkheads.
Jetties and groins; general rules.
(g) All applicants for jetties and groins extending across the foreshore shall be
required to give and maintain a public passing way, on4he-uptm~ on the
landward end of the jetty or groin as necessary, not less than five four feet
in width, to enable persons to pass and repass over said structure by steps
or a ramp allowing pedestrian passage.
Docks.
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[7][6] Except for structures used for water-dependent uses, there shall be no
permanent structure located on or above the docks, ramps and floats.
[g][7] Any application for a dock to be constructed at the end ora right-of-way
or commonly held land requires the written consent of all parties having
an interest in the right-of-way, regardless of how property interests in the
upland parcel may be divided among the owner(s), lessee(s), occupant(s),
easement holder(s), or any other person(s) or entity(ies) with a legal or
beneficial interest in any existing or proposed docking facility.
All applicants for docks, including catwalks and ramps, extending across
the foreshore shall be required to give and maintain a public passing way
~,,,* 1~ C~*: ....~,4~u to enable
on the landward end of the dock,. .......
persons to pass and repass around said dock or by steps or a ramp allowing
pedestrian passage.
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(b)
[ ! 9][~1 Preexisting nonpermitted and/or nonconforming structures cannot be
replaced in kind without full review and approval by the Trustees.
[11][ 10]Personal watercraft or "jet ski" floats cannot be added to any float,
stairway, or dock without a Trustee permit. Floats may not cumulatively
exceed 120 square feet.
[12][11]Lighting: Any and all lights associated with docks, floats or poles must
be directed on the subject structure and not out into the adjacent wetland,
waterway or property. Lights shall not be on unless the dock is in active
use.
[13][12]Utilities and Water: If power and/or water are to be installed on a dock,
plans for the installation must be provided to the Trustees at the time of
application, installation of such amenities on an existing permitted dock
requires obtaining a permit amendment from the Trustees.
Dock locations arid lengths.
[3][d] No floating docks, floats, dock components, ~uck ~l~na: or boats shall be
stored on tidal wetlands, other intertidal areas or freshwater wetlands
between April 1 and December 1 of each calendar 'fear. No duck blinds
may be stored on tidal wetlands, other intertidal areas or freshwater
wetlands at any time.
§ 275-14. Transferability.
A valid Trustees' permit: .....a ......... ·
...... v .......~crcto may be transferred to another applicant by
approval of the Trustees upon a-determination of the Trustees that the structure in its current state
conforms to the terms and conditions of the permit as issued ....... ~ ....... "
· .,~,~.., ,~,~ -.~ .......... ~ ~ .... ; ..... r~.~ ~r~,~,~ The fee for transferring said permit shall
be $50.
III. SEVERABILITY
If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section, or part of this Local Law shall be adjudged by any
court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid, the judgment shall not affect the validity of this law
as a whole or any part thereof other than the part so decided to be unconstitutional or invalid.
IV. EFFECTIVE DATE
This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State as provided
by law.
I have a notice that it was posted in the Suffolk Times on May 24, 2012 and it was posted on the
Town Clerk's bulletin board on May 16, 2012. I have a letter from the MS 4 Compliance
Committee. 'The MS 4 Compliance Committee has reviewed the proposed amendments to
Chapter 275 and recommends the following changes: Section 275-3 D 1 b, swimming pools and
related structures: 50 feet should be conditioned upon an applicant showing a) stability of the
bluff b) non-chlorinated pool treatment and c) pool drained to drywell. Othmwvise the setback to
the bluff should be greater to mitigate impacts to surface waters. 2. Generally it should be noted
that while section 275-4 lists exceptions for the requirement of a Trustees permit, chapter 236
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review may be required. 3. Section 275-6 A 2 states that the Trustees, in their discretion, may
require a schedule for the proposed activities with a completion date. This provision should be
modified as follows: At the discretion of the Trustees, a schedule for the proposed activities with
a completion date. For proposals that require approval under chapter 236, the schedule for the
proposed activities must be approved by the Stormwater Management Officer, as well a the
Trustees. 4 Section 275-6 A 8 should mad as follows: such application shall be accompanied
by a survey and topographical map, created no more than five years prior to the date of
application (unless an updated survey and topographical map is required to conduct a chapter
236 review) 5. Section 275-6 A 14 should read as follows: Drainage upgrade: AT the
discretion of the Board, non-administrative applications may require submittal of a drainage
upgrade plan. All drainage upgrades shall comply with chapter 236, if applicable. In instances
where chapter 236 does apply, the Board of Trustees may require the submittal of a drainage
upgrade plan that contains more stringent requirements than set forth in chapter 236. 6. Section
275-6 A 14 delete the final sentence, 'applicants may have additional requirements to meet
compliance with chapter 236.' 7. Section 275-11 A 1 should read as follows: Drainage
upgrade. Applicants for a permit for any form of construction may be required to upgrade the
site's drainage system such that all surface generated from impervious surfaces shall be kept on
site through infiltration or retention. All proposed drainage systems shall comply with chapter
236, if applicable. Applicants proposing grading or filling operations will be required to submit
a drainage plan for the entire site at the discretion of the Trustees. The Trustees may require the
drainage system that exceeds that which is required in chapter 236. 8. Section 275-11 A 3 the
term 'general vicinity' is vague and should be eliminated or properly defined to give clarity. For
example, does the general vicinity include properties across the wetland or waterbody? This is
from Jamie Richter and/or John Sepenoski.' And then from the Planning Board chairman,
Donald Wilcenski 'Thank you for the opportunity to provide comments on the proposed local
law in relation to amendments to chapter 275, wetlands and shorelines' amendments to the town
code referenced above. The Planning Board has reviewed the proposed amendments and
supports the changes.' A letter from Andrew Fmleng, chief planner for Suffolk County, stating
that this is a matter of local determination with no county wide or inter-community impact, a
decision of local determination shall not be construed as either an approval or disapproval. And
I think that is enough.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Alright. Who would like to be the first to address the Town Board?
I am going to go with John Betsch first. Mr. Meinke, I will go to you next.
JOHN BETSCH: Good evening, for the record, I am John Betsch and in the issue of
transparency, I am chairman of Southold VOICE. I understand and appreciate the town code is a
living document and changes are necessary but I do have a couple of concerns with these
changes. Two in particular. The first one are open ended definitions, in several places
particularly one, the first one was define functional (inaudible) and it says it is now based on the
discretion of the Trustees. There are no parameters set there at all, it is carte blanche to the
Trustees. Now it could be good, it could be bad. It could be based on the whim of the Board on
a particular night or it could be differences of opinion on which Trustee is reviewing it. Same
thing applies on non-disturbance buffer, the thread continues. Again, there is no definition or
parameter stated, it just says as designated by the Board of Trustees. It could be, again, it could
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be a foot, one foot, two foot, ten foot, twenty foot. We need some type of parameter, some range
(inaudible). The intention may be good but it is a little too open ended as far as I am concerned.
Secondly, of late there has been much discussion regarding nitrogen loading, and there has been
much emphasis on people who live in some non determined proximity to water bodies. My
concern is that rules, laws and exceptions be fair and equitable to everybody and not single out a
particular group. 275-4 (inaudible) talks about and states that the ordinary and usual operations
relative to bona fide pre-existing commercial or horticultural operation landward or wetland
boundary. I recognize the significance of agricultural lands, the towns farmland provide an
important economic value to the town, the north fork, the county and the state and I know
although the majority of agricultural area lies outside of coastal areas, there are farms that adjoin
wetland boundaries. Built into the code are some exceptions of things that farms do not need
permits for even though they fall into Trustees jurisdiction. The exception allows farms to do
whatever they need to do up to the wetland boundary, this would include fertilizing. This is
neither fair nor equitable. Homeowners are required to put in a 5 to 20 foot buffer on every
application to prevent fertilizer runoff from getting into wetlands. But farmers, who are the
largest users of fertilizers and pesticides are exempt. I understand the New York State Ag and
Market laws but there is no reason why farms should also not have to have reasonable buffers
and should be required to keep their runoff on their property. This is something that needs to be
seriously considered as the town moves fom, ard and also tries to address compliance with MS 4
requirements. I believe that if this was discussed with the major farmers of the town, that they
would support and agree with this. I am sensitive to the need to reduce nitrogen loading so I
understand that non turf buffers are necessary in many areas in waterfront but I think fair and
equitable and consistent application of rules are necessary and this is something that should be
considered (inaudible). Two points. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you.
HOWARD MEINKE: Hi, my name is Howard Meinke, I am from Peconic Bay Boulevard,
Mattituck. I just want to comment that on the very first page of the Trustee document, there is a
paragraph that summarizes the purpose of the Trustees. I want to comment on the paragraph. In
the purpose it states to protect the natural state of the shoreline and wetlands and then a few
sentences later, to conform certain regulations to environmentally accepted practice. This
paragraph needs some more very important detail, current science has come to absolute
agreement on some important facts. Degradation of the groundwater and surface water is a
serious and worsening problem, nitrates are the largest polluter, septic waste contributes the
lions share of nitrates. Sound front, bay front, creek front, marsh front pollution has the most
immediate impact on our estuary. All current septic systems and most sewage treatment plants
add to the polluting nitrate load. There are other pollutants but nitrates are far and away the
biggest, with a known source and a known mitigation. We know how to drastically cut nitrate
pollution, starting right now. Nitrate eliminating septic systems are a known and available
technology approved by the Suffolk County Health Department. These facts must be part of the
Trustees document. The Trustees are Southold's first line of defense and must conform to ever
changing, scientifically proven environmental regulations. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you.
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KEVIN MCALLISTER: Thank you, Mr. Supervisor. My name is Kevin McAllister, I am your
baykeeper and have been since 1998. I want to publicly thank the Board and particularly the
Supervisor, you have been very gracious over the years to acquiesce my requests to come before
the Board work sessions to bring issues forward and you have always returned my phone calls,
so I am very grateful for that. my background is in marine sciences and coastal zone
management, which is certainly pertinent to your consideration tonight. I wanted, as a preamble,
drive home one fact and that is sea level rise. We are dealing with it, we can debate the causes
you know, is it greenhouse gases, is it natural phenomenon but you know, these bays are
expanding, I' see the evidence throughout the east end, throughout Long Island. And I think
anybody that spends time in the bush will agree with this fact. So with that said, there are two
factors to protecting the integrity of these systems, that is water quality and habitat health. So
these transitional zones from transition from water to the uplands is so important that we
maintain the integrity of these systems to ensure again, health and productivity of the systems. A
couple of observations I made on the proposal, in particular I guess I was looking at the relaxed
setbacks and I know as an example it was pools that were indicated. Another area within the
document indicated actually placement of new structures relative to adjoining properties. We
could have 1950's homes that were placed out there, small ranches, and instead of having the
concept and I am going to speak in principles tonight, instead of having the concept that we need
to actually retreat and start to ensure the integrity of these transitional zones, you are
perpetuating rebuilding you know, to a given line. That will all lead again, we are now placing
structure and in case of homes and you have heard Howard speak and you have heard me speak
numerous times about certainly nutrient pollution from septic systems in proximity and to the
gentleman that spoke earlier, this is absolutely an entire watershed issue, it is not waterfront
properties. This line goes considerably further back relative to travel times and again water
quality issues. But again, I think you are perpetuating or almost allowing the continued
development within these zones when in fact with sea level rise, we should be reacting and more
into a retreat mode. And really implementing practices or you know strategies that are going to,
again, protect the integrity of the transition as I described. What I think this leads to and this is a
big concern and quite frankly, I am going to be very candid with you, you have heard me speak
over the 14 years, I have serious concerns about shoreline hardening, you know, bulkheads,
revetments, geo tubes, rock debris revetments, the list goes on. Ultimately when we place these
structures out there, there is going to be a propensity to try to protect these structures under wave
attacks and erosional trends. And the next step is some form of shoreline hardening. Case in
point, and this town quite frankly has its fair share of hardening structures. We can call it sill
bulkheads, revetments, in some cases geo tubes, groins, jetties, the list goes on, you knowi these
are problematic and ultimately at the, I guess the effort to protect that shoreline for the integrity
of protecting structures, we are in turn losing shorelines for public access and the public use and
the public trust doctrine. And that is so important in this town, the right of passage and re-
passage. It is so important and again, I think we have to start instilling into our thinking that this,~
you know, have some vision to this that we are projecting out 50 years and not really making
decisions in isolation relative to one application that becomes before, say the Board of Trustees.
That in fact you are looking at shorelines in the larger sense extended reaches as to what needs to
be done again, to protect the integrity of these shorelines for public use. Fences going to the line
of shoreline access and I know it is ambiguous so there is nothing really necessarily to be teased
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out of this but I do hope that our Trustees will be diligent to ensure that these fences that are
being proposed and being erected and I heard deer fences but then also split rail fences, are these
going to be placed shore parallel where all of a sudden it is a visual that no, you cannot access
the low tide line because there are bulkheads or for that matter, let's say a natural shoreline,
again that is public access that needs to be protected. I think it is, again, so important that the
concepts and the principles of coastal zone management be applied in this document. I would
strongly recommend that you step back, take a hard look at it and really ensure that again, the
goals that you are seeking here will be achievable and again, in the greater public interests. And
I want to say and I will address the Board but speak to some of the folks, I don't pit waterfront
property owners against anybody else. We are all neighbors, this is all a community. We are
blessed with just incredible water resources before us but again, we have to be very thoughtful
about coastal zone management and again, to Howards comments about waste water for
instance. This extends far from the edge of the shoreline. This is literally the entirety of your
town that you have to be thinking about. But again, relative to this document, I just ask that you
take a very keen eye to the word smithing of it and ensure that again, this is crafted for entirety
of public benefit and ultimately we are not inadvertently allowing unnecessary development asad
I guess stabilization where we are all going to lose. So thank you for considering my comments.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: And just to answer, Kevin, really, we didn't just get this this
morning at the work session, we have been working on this for over two years and there are
things in here that I don't agree with, there are things in here that other Board members don't
agree with, so this is a work in progress. I can't imagine we are going to vote on this tonight. I
wanted to get some public input on this so we could see which way we are going. There is a lot
of it that is good here, that simplifies the code, that makes it easier to do things that they
shouldn't be regulated on doing. Putting solar panels on homes, things like that. on the other
hand, there are some things in here that I think go too far but we will get into all of that.
JOHN CLEARY: John Cleary, I live in Mattituck. And I agree with everything that has been
said. In particular, I am concerned about the Mattituck jetty, it is just what you indicated before,
that the Mattituck jetty is really doing a disservice to the people of Southold, in that it robs the
whole eastem portion, east of the Mattituck jetty, of the natural flow of sand and fill. That is an
unfortunate thing. But in regards to a conversation that I had before with Mr. Talbot at a town
meeting, he wanted to know about what happens to that fill that the jetty forces back on the west
side. Well, the United States Supreme Court in a case in California in 1982, said that that fill
remains the property of the United States. The property of the United States and no local judge
can take it away from the people of the United States. Now, in regard to the same-thing, I would
like to get this in because it is all part and part of the concept that you are dealing with, we all
have navigable waters, the United States, the Long Island Sound is navigable water. Mean high
tide mark, there is no problem with that, it takes 19 years, that comes to 13,000 measurements.
Two tides a day. in addition to the tide lines, some notation should be made at the height of the
beach. The height of the beach is very important because it reflects on another Supreme Court
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decision in the surf rider foundation in Florida. It says any time the height of the beach is
radically impacted, it is avulsion and cannot be owned by any individual. Cannot. It remains
public property. Now, I did hand out some stuff that the Army Corps of Engineers called the
mean high tide mark. The mean high tide mark is up to the grass. Barring anything else that said
the mean high tide mark. There is a survey that was used in a court case, it is not a mean high
tide mark, there is no mean high tide mark in Mattituck other than the original 1949 map. This
map is only a map of a seaweed line of October 2006. Seaweed line. Some people have been
quoting this as a high tide mark. The survey says absolutely not, he didn't do anything to survey
or collect any data at all. I will discuss that (inaudible). Thank you.
GLYNNIS BERRY: Glynnis Berry, Peconic Greengrowth. I would just like to ask the Board if
they would consider tabling this until after you have looked at the issues comprehensively in
your plan. Because I think you will find that you can map most of these conditions so it will be
fair, you can understand them more fully. For instance, bulkheading should be zoned. You
should know which areas you may want to allow it and which areas that you definitely don't
want to allow it, so that you will know where you allow them to gradually disappear and where
you do expect to rebuild them or even put them in. it needs a kind of holistic look with clear
policy and clear goals that define all those actions that follow after it and you know, you are in
the middle of developing these chapters, so why not wait and let that inform this in a holistic
way. And also, for instance, the discussion on septic and nitrates is extremely important and it is
actually the failure of septic that makes areas unlivable and where you have to abandon them. So
it is actually one of the critical factors in deciding whether somebody can stay in their property
or not. And so looking at those issues, there are many solutions and those need to be considered
as well so people understand and work together on this issue.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: Thank you.
PATRICIA MOORE: Good evening, Patficia Moore, in going through this legislation, I just
have a few comments. In listening in on code committee, I think that the goal here as was
discussed also in the presentation, was to try to simplify and clarify. But I am going to point out
some things that I think create some problems and may not be doing what you are intending. To
begin with, operations. Operations definition now has expanded to the point where it says any
activity within Trustee jurisdiction. If you look at operations paragraph 1, essentially anything
you do now within that 100 feet setback could be deemed to require a permit from the Trustees.
I think we need to scope that down and understand what is truly something that needs a permit
and what activity is permissible. In addition, when you are in, again in operations, there is
specifically now repairing a structure or any system again is considered an operation. Ordinary
and usual maintenance, again, another definition. It has been recognized throughout that that
there are lots of structures in particular, initially docks because docks were what the Trustees
were regulating for many, many years. It started with the Town Board, then the Trustees and so
on. Those structures, there are permits of those Structures that go pretty far back, however, what
I have been hearing now is that a dwelling, a house, that might have a CO that happens to be
inside the jurisdiction of the Trustees, that 100 foot, somehow or another needs a permit,
meanwhile it has a certificate of occupancy and it has been in existence there for the whole
period of time. There seems to be a disconnect there on, on once we now require any activity to
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take place or repairs or whatever only on permitted structures and the definition of permitted
now is what you guys have defined now as a permit from the Trustees rather than permitted like
in the verb allowed, now requires that permit before you can do anything and I was, this also
comes up and it is apparent in the exceptions. Again, the reason for the exceptions is to make it
clear when it is you need a Trustees permit and when do you not need to go in for a Trustees
permit. And what I thought through code committee paragraph 10 you dealt with installations of
new or replaccnnent windows, roof shingles, solar panels, siding, doors and second story
additions only if additions are within the existing footprints and are made to un upland, again,
permitted structure. You are now required, any house built prior to I believe 2004 when this 275
definition of permitted came into existence, you have now made every house in Southold built
prior to 2004 not be able to have any repairs to it even though that the intention here under
exceptions was precisely that because you have added that word permitted. So I would ask you
to please look at the code carefully, you, I think generically that permitted structure has been
thrown in but it needs to be really thought through because there are structures that have been,
docks that have been out in the water since the 1800's, early 1900's and the code now says you
can't even fix it and that was never the intent but that is where it is going under this legislation.
Again, throughout the code, that permitted word seems to wreck havoc and seems to undo what I
believe was the intention. A question I had and I didn't understand why it was removed, cutting
of common reed to 12 inches, paragraph...
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: Administrative review?
MS. MOORE: Yes, it is permit procedures, it is listed, 2 I, yes, it is out and I don't understand
why.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: That was a request from the Trustees to take it out of the
administrative permit.
MS. MOORE: And where is it?
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: You don't need a permit, you should need to go to the DEC.
MS. MOORE: Ah, well, good. Well, then it should be in the exempt because by taking it out of
that, it leaves it unclear and nobody knows, does it need a permit or doesn't need a permit. If it
is as clear as that, just put it on exempt.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Well, it is not always as clear as that because sometimes you
have other protective species within the phragmites, so it is something the Trustees need to
review but not necessarily give a permit for.
MS. MOORE: So how does one, I guess that needs clarification because if I have a client that
calls me and says do I need a permit to cut phragmites, I am going to say I know the DEC wants
a permit because of that issue, they don't want to give people carte blanche, they figure you
don't know what you are doing and therefore someone has to watch over you. The Trustees
similarly may want to look at it but let's make it clear. Not having it here leaves it unclear.
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COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: That's one of the things I wanted to leave in because cutting of
phragmites, is rarely its just a monoculture of phragmites that you could cut through a foot down,
you really should have Trustees come out, administrative permit that it is under now is a $50
permit, only one Trustee has to look at it.
MS. MOORE: No, it is not a big deal.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: Then you could receive the proper guidance.
MS. MOORE: Right. I don't disagree with you on that one.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: They can say you don't need a permit, go right ahead or you do
need a permit and you can do this and this or you also have to go to the DEC. So I don't, I think
that is a better way to handle it.
MS. MOORE: That is fine. I don't disagree with you on that one. Finally, on the fee structure
for activities that have been previously built without a permit, there is definitely inconsistency
there. Also now it seems again, that could be just about anything that is preexisting and again,
homes that obviously did not have permits, I know what the intention is here but the Trustees
have been very, very aggressive in sending code enforcement out and there has been a lot of
justice court activity and you are getting punished twice now. You are getting punished once
through the justice court process that you are getting fined and now you come back to the
Trustees and you are getting double, you know, the double application fees. So decide, you
know, it would make more sense to many-of these cases that go to code violations are innocent,
you know, again, reading the code that you and I could read it and really would not make any
sense to most people. And again, it is becoming a double whammy, you are being punished
twice. Those are my comments, oh, my last comment is on your shoreline structures, this really
made no sense to me, individual residential stairs are prohibited on bluffs in the coastal erosion
hazard area if the property is part of an association that maintains a common stairway within a
reasonable distance. I thought from code committee meetings that it was decided that is too
difficult, a lot of subdivisions that have been in existence and they may have a common access
but the subdivisions, the one access may be thousands of feet away from properties, 90 percent
of the other properties, of the homes in the subdivision, have access stairs and the last ones that
are coming in now suddenly have to follow the new guidelines, it is very unfair. It was at least
discussed during code committee that new subdivisions are being looked at with common access,
with covenants that tell people listen, you are not going to be able to put in your own staircase.
That doesn't exist in all of the subdivisions, the older subdivisions. So that paragraph, really one
doesn't make sense as a policy and then two, coastal erosion hazard area, that is the entire area
including as you go around to East Marion. So and in particular under the coastal erosion hazard
law, beach stairs are permissible, are specifically allowed. So there is inconsistency there. I
would ask you to look at that.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Yes, we went back and forth with that and I thought before
even code committee and I thought we ended up not taking it out but going to recommend for
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new subdivisions to have that.
MS. MOORE: That's what I heard the conversation being and I understood, I was like, alright,
that makes sense because at least new subdivisions would be aware, people buying in will
understand what the rules are but you know, Pebble Beach is a good example. I had one where
somebody was asking for beach stairs, I actually had to have the surveyor measure out, it was
200 feet out to the road ....
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Yes, I remember that one.
MS. MOORE: Yes, you remember that one. It came to about 1,000 feet where, you know, these
people have homes that are right there on the Sound and they can't get to their beach. There's,
really that doesn't work. That's again, penalizing people for no good reason even the coastal
erosion law allows access to the beach. It actually makes more sense to have properly built
staircases to give access to the beach than to have them finding ways and following the trails that
the deer have left because you haven't been able to train the deer, so, let's keep at it.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: We are working on that.
MS. MOORE: I know. Thank you very much.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you. Mr. Epidy?
JOHN EPIDY: My name is John Epidy and I live on 1090 Ruth Road, Mattituck. I am a
resident for 46 years there, raised my family. I am here to address the Board and mostly that
lady on the end because she was the president of the Trustees when a permit was given for a
fence to go up on Inlet Drive. Now, I would like to ask her was it legal and who did she get the
legal and who did she get the legal advice from?
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Was what legal, sir?
MR. EPIDY: For the fence to go up on the beach, on the public beach and going all the way
down towards the water.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Well, I think this is not the venue for that question.
MR. EPIDY: Why not?
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: We are here to address the change to chapter 275, I will be
glad to discuss again...
MR. EPIDY: No, I would like a discussion in front of the public with you.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Not during this public hearing.
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SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Let me just get back to, the issue is 275, the proposed amendments
to 275. if there are other issues when we are closed with the public hearing, then we have the
open microphone opportunity, when you can raise any issue under the sun.
MR. EPIDY: Alright, so I am out of order.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We are going to keep everything strictly to the 275.
MR. EPIDY: So what do I have to do, Scott? Stick around?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Yes.
MR. EPIDY: Don't go away.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Who else would like to.'? Gwynn?
GWYNN SCHROEDER: Hi, Gwynn Schroeder, Cutchogue. I know it is not about 275 but
congratulations on naming Ann Murray to the Land Preservation Committee, she will serve the
town well. I am hoping and I am glad to hear that you are not going to vote on this tonight and
that you are going to table it. I think parts of this legislation are quite aggressive, I think when
the town did a moratorium and rewrote chapter 275, they really took their time, they got a lot of
public input and good legislation came out of it. and I agree with Glynnis, you are right in the
middle of your comprehensive plan process. I believe the natural resources chapter is due out in
August and you should wait until that time to sort of get input and see w here that all goes and a
couple of things specifically, when you talk about solar panels, I think you have to distinguish
between roof mounted and ground mounted panels because there is a difference if that comes to
pass. And I just want to refer also to a memo from your CAC and they were talking about the
Long Island Sound shoreline and they were really calling for a comprehensive plan and I am
quoting their memo, they say we see spot repairs as ineffectual and only temporary and with
outcomes that shift destructive energies to adjoining area properties with greater, more damaging
vehemence. And they were frustrated by sort of, you know, reviewing permits without a
shoreline comprehensive plan. I think we need it for both and just as an aside, I was at a family
gathering over the weekend and had I been on the beach when this happened I would have
corrected the property owner but they kind of shooed our family off what was not their property,
it is public access, it is all bulkheaded and it is narrow but it is public access and I think even
something small as taking identifying numbers off a dock is a disservice to the public because if
you are walking on a beach and you can't either go over or under the dock, it is kind of hard to
determine which house it is, if you are on the shoreline. So these little things, they may be easier
for the property owner but it may not be best for the community as a whole. And I just ask you
to consider, (inaudible) and the community when you make these decisions.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: You raised some good points. Let me just quickly speak to the issue,
the reason we no longer required numbering of the docks was because we have GPS capabilities
now. The bay constable would have no problem ascertaining who the owner of that property and
who that dock is at this point. It was one of those things that was required and never really
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enforced over the years. With new technology we no longer saw it as valid but you raise a good
point.
MS. SCHROEDER: I understand that but ....
UNIDENTIFIED: Inaudible.
MS. SCHROEDER: And if ! am person that is just walking along the beach, I may not know to
call the bay constable or who to, you know, it just makes it difficult for the average Southold
person that is walking on the beach. And I think that the point that Pat brought up about
common staircases, yeah, we did things in the past because we did them now we maybe know
better and so we shouldn't do them anymore and that's my point. Thanks.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Okay, thanks. Who would like to go next? Lillian.
LILLIAN BALL: Lillian Ball, Southold. I think many people have said really important things
and I think the bottom line, I agree with Glynnis as well, that this is a comprehensive plan issue
and the natural resources chapter is being worked on as we speak. There are a number of things,
I haven't had a chance to go through it all but there are a number of things that I can just point
out right now that I think are important issues and I would like to make a, make my voice heard
in the record. With the permits, the administrative permits, I really think it is a very good
opportunity to inspire people to do the right thing rather than doing the wrong thing. If you
make it easier to do the right thing it is more likely that it will happen. And rather than forcing
everybody to go through numerous loops, administrative loops, so I think it is extremely
important that the content of this particular #5, permit procedures item administrative permits is
extremely tight. Number 2 D, remodeling or renovation of permanent structure does not seem at
all clear to me. What is the remodeling or renovation that will not have an undo adverse impact
on the wetlands, it is very vague, it needs to be clearer. I agree with A1 and also with Pat that
phragmites might be a perfect thing for administrative permits, it is very rare for phragmites to
be existing in an area all alone, even though mono cultures do occur, most phragmites situations
that I have ever seen have spartina or button bush, (inaudible) or hibiscus (inaudible) or purple
loosestrife or a variety of other kinds of things included in them, so it is not for the general
public to say oh, there is a couple of phragmites then that means I don't need a permit. I have
explained many times what was explained to me when I first came to Southold by A1 Krupski so
well that in fact, phragmites are wetland delineators and if you don't identify them and make
sure that people are aware what is going on, they can be removed by people who just think they
need more lawn. Instead of having them perform the buffer zone and wetland delineation that
they really do indicate, especially in New York State. So I would say that the seed bank is also
an issue in a phragmites situation, in my particular case, when you remove the phragmites on
Great Pond, all sorts of things have come back. You give them half a chance and all of the
native things that are in the seed bank can come back. So there are a lot of issues here that I
think need clarification. I also have a problem with 2 I, minor changes to existing valid Trustee
permits, what is minor? We have to have a lot more specifics here. There are certainly
circumstances in this town where people have applied for applications to the Trustees for
additions to their home or maybe a very simple looking deck and in fact end up tearing down the
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entire structure and rebuilding entirely. And in my experience, that has happened enough times
in my recent memory to say that that really warrants an extra look over. Then in defining
purpose jurisdiction and setbacks, 275-3 I guess that is D-l, setbacks. I am in favor of
maintaining 100 foot setback for all new structures. Swimming pools, houses, beach cabanas,
whatever. 100 feet back is nothing, in our area where there is groundwater as high as 1 foot. I
mean, any kind of building in an area near the wetlands I think you should really maintain the
Trustees jurisdiction at any cost. Because of sea level rise and many of the other groundwater
issues that we are discussing tonight. And then the final thing that I wanted to make a comment
on is the non-turf buffer. I believe very strongly that the non-turf buffer should be applied to
both residential and commercial properties, 5 to 20 feet is not very much and it is barely enough
to prevent any kind of run-off coming out of construction or fertilized areas, pesticides, etc. I
would really encourage you to look very closely at that because the MS4 requirements are quite
clear that everybody, all properties should be keeping their run-off on their actual lot. So this is a
really crucial item and one that I think really needs to be examined very closely. So thank you
very much and I will read the rest of it, when you come back after tabling it.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I just certainly hope the community appreciates how hard we
worked to bring the community together, we brought property rights advocates like Southold
VOICE together with environmental advocates like Lillian Ball and Gwynn Schroeder to talk in
one voice. Unfortunately, they are saying hey nitwits, take another shot at this law. Who else
would like to address this particular law?
LOUISE HARRISON: Good evening, Supervisor and members of the Town Board. My name
is Louise Harrison, conservation and natural areas planning. And I am actually a new resident to
the Town of Southold. I live at 175 Diamond Lane. But I am not new to the topic of wetlands
protection. Most of my career has been involved in that. I worked in the New York State DEC
back in the 1980's and was in charge of all the fresh water wetlands in Suffolk and Nassau
county in terms of permit review, enforcement and mitigation. As well as some mapping. And I
also worked with the New York State Department of State in the coastal program and was
heavily involved in the Long Island Sound coastal management program. I am very familiar
with your local waterfront revitalization program as well, .although I did not work on that
personally. I recently was a biologist for the US Fish and Wildlife service on the Long Island
Sound program and my major topic areas were habitat restoration, stewardship including land
acquisitions, endangered species and invasive species. I have worked for New York State parks,
I was executive director of Friends of the Bay in Oyster Bay and was heavily involved in
wetlands protection there as well. So I just wanted to introduce myself to you, I plan on being in
Southold for a while and I hopefully forever. I love it here. I am really encouraged by what I
heard tonight by such an involved community that you have. Many of the comments are
excellent. I would like to echo everything I heard fi.om Kevin McAllister, I agree with almost
everything I heard fi.om Ms. Moore, I am not sure I got it all, I didn't quite hear it all. Lillian
Ball's comments were excellent and I don't know the names of everyone else I heard but you
received many, many cogent remarks tonight and I hope you will take them all into
consideration. And just fi.om listening tonight, I hear that you are working on your
comprehensive plan and that a natural resources chapter is coming out soon, so I would agree
that you'll want your new wetlands revisions to this code to be in conformance with that and
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your MS 4 program planning, you do need to keep in mind sea level rise and adaptation to that as
you go forward. So the idea of buffers and setbacks is critically important as you think of that. it
is a good time to look back at your local waterfront revitalization program and make sure that
your new code is in conformance with all the work that went into that and your coastal erosion
hazard area legislation. I don't want to get into too many details tonight because I only had a
chance to look at this revision in a cursory way but something I didn't hear anybody mention
quite yet, I do want to support everybody who said not to weaken your setbacks. I think I said
that already however. It is about the docks and other appurtenances being allowed to be up on a
marsh during certain times of the year, I am trying to find it, it is on the last page under dock
locations and lengths. It says no floating docks, floats, dock components or boats shall be stored
on tidal wetlands or other intertidal wetlands between April 1 and December 1 of each calendar
year. I think I may understand why that was placed in there because people are thinking about
the wetland vegetation having a growing season, perhaps that was the reason?
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: Yes, it is.
MS. HARRISON: Okay. Well, there is also an erosion season and when you have ice and
nor'easters you can have, you have a grinding and a movement of heavy objects like docks and
other things that can be left up on a marsh and you can have a tremendous amount of erosion and
destruction of a marsh if these things are allowed during other times of the year, especially
during storm season. So that is something to consider.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: That is why in 2004 we put that in there. What is not underlined is
current, that they can't be stored there at all. Alright, the proposed change is to allow them to be
stored...
MS. HARRISON: It does seem like to be stored now.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: No.
MS. HARRISON: Okay.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: The proposed change...
MS. HARRISON: Maybe...
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: Is to allow them to be stored.
MS. HARRISON: Is to allow them to be stored. And I am suggesting they not be allowed to be
stored on the other times of the year because it can be destructive. Okay. I am not going to go
into anymore detail on this except I don't think you ought to lessen your setbacks at all and there
is that swimming pool and related structures 50 feet from a bluff, I disagree with that entirely.
That should be maximum setback. Thank you very much for your time this evening.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: Thank you.
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SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Who else would like to address the Town Board?
BOB GHOSIO: I am Bob Ghosio, I am from Greenport and I am vice president of the Board of
Trustees. Speaking for the Board of Trustees, I think is or at least getting comments fi.om us at
this juncture I think is kind of appropriate since we are talking about the code that the Trustees
generally use in making our decisions. I am pleased to see so many people came out, I am kind
of excited that out of the three public hearings tonight ours was the most interesting and had the
most participation from the community. It does, it serves a couple of purposes and one of them
is it kind of justifies the existence of the Trustees and proves the importance of what we do. And
I appreciate everybody taking time from whatever they would normally do on a Wednesday
night to be here for this. I just want to make it clear, one of the things that I have heard here
tonight, some of the comments I heard are please take your time, the Board please take your time
in reviewing this, don't come to any quick decisions on it and I would agree with those
comments. I just want to point out that while Al rightfully said that the Board had been working
on this for a couple of years, this was a process that began with the Trustees back in 2007. in
fact, it originally began with Peg Dickerson. Peg was still on the Board when we started the
process so this is an accumulation of about 5 years so far. Why I appreciate and would expect us
to take the time that is required to make sure that we are doing the right thing and be somewhat
comprehensive in the changes that we make and make sure we are doing the right thing, I would
hate to see it drag out another 5 years. And that is just a concern I have, I bring it forward to
you. I know that we wanted to have this process moved along because right after this we have to
deal with coastal erosion law which is 111. there are changes we have been working on, again,
Peggy was on, she was responsible for starting the 275 revisions, I was in charge of starting the
111 and we were trying to coordinate it all at the same time so that when we brought the changes
to the Board and to the public, that we would have a really comprehensive discussion and
decisions would be made. Some of the concerns we have, in particular some of the things I have
heard tonight, I just want to take a moment to address at least from our perspective. The pools
on the top of the bluff and t he setback issues, I think in general we understand the need for the
setbacks and I don't think that this is going to be, whether or not we change the setback for pools
from the top of a bluff from 100 feet to 50 feet isn't going to make or break the changes in this
law as I see it anyway but to explain why that came up, it was a practical issue. We were coming
across so many properties that were on the Sound side particularly that were within the bluff
area, that were in the bluff areas where 100 feet was not practical whatsoever and in fact, when
we were making some decisions, there was no way of meeting it. so we were giving basically a
variance on a setback anyway, which is within the rights of the Trustees Board. So that was
more or less a practical issue. If we want to keep the setbacks there, the procedure and the
process would remain the same and everything would come, you know, it would be on a per
applicant application basis and whatever we would decide would be decided. But I would prefer
to be transparent about it. I don't want to have a code that says 100 feet and then we go ahead
and allow something at 50 feet anyway because the practicality is that's the only place it could
go. Well, not necessarily, there are those exceptions where you would allow where there is no
reason not to. Without getting into specifics ....
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: Actually, as far as the pools go, a lot of the pools that are put in
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that scenario replace lawns so they sort of, there is really no environmental degradation there
because you are replacing a lawn with a pool.
MR. GHOSIO: And that is my point.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: So it is not being fertilized, it is not being treated with anything...
MR. GHOSIO: No, no because one of the things and anybody who has been to any of the
hearings know that one of the things that we arrive at almost every time, is that I want it to be a
non-chlorinated pool. Either be a salt pool or something along those lines and we always, always
insist on drywells. So it not that this is just a blanket kind of thing. It is practical issue. Again,
the Board at your discretion, I don't think it makes or breaks the process at all. It is not going to
be something that we are really going to want to go around and around on but I wanted to
explain the reasoning, so people explained where that came from. I just want to point out that
one of the changes in here that we thought was important was the moving the fences from 10 feet
from mean high water to 20 feet and the reason for that was the very issue that somebody, I
forgot who it was who brought it up, was the definition of mean high water mark. That is a very
difficult definition to work with. We, all the research that we did indicated 18 ½ or 19 year lunar
cycle involving, you know, trying to figure out what a mean high tide mark is. Well, when the
Trustees go out and we look at things or fences or anything where we have to deal with mean
high water marks, really the only thing we have to work with when we go out to the site is the
rack line, the apparent high water line which is a more practical thing for us to use when we go
out on inspections. But that is not necessarily the right way of doing it. so at least by moving it
back from the 10 feet to the 20 feet, it gave us a little more leeway to assure that the public
doctrine is enforced and that no matter what happens we are able to assure the public access to
the beaches is proper. So that is where that number came from. Again, the phragmites issue,
again, that was just a case, again, it is not an issue that is going to make or break the changes.
We can certainly take that out altogether. Again, that was a practical thing or you know, how
we, a lot of folks are going out and getting two permits to do the same thing. DEC is giving the
permits for it, they are making notations on their permits, we are going out and looking at it too.
It didn't seem to make a whole lot of sense to us, since it was already being done by the DEC but
by all means, if the Board would like the Trustees to continue making those inspections, we
would be glad to do it. I think the only other thing that I would bring up at least from the
Trustees perspective, is the exemption that somebody brought up. I think John Betsch brought it
up and I believe Lillian may have addressed it a little bit is the exemption for the farmers for the
agricultural, modified agricultural, concerns in town. We would agree that the Ag Markets law
is an important law, we also would agree that agriculture in our town is a number one priority but
it does seem a bit unfair that we would just give a blanket exception when everybody else in
town has to have some kind of a buffer. I would only, even if we were to give it, specify a five
foot or a ten foot but allowing an exception all the way up to the wetland line may not be the
thing we really want to do as a town when we have so many other people who have to have a
five foot non-turf buffer. That is just, you know, the Trustees are all pretty much on board with
that notion, we would like to see at least something there.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: A lot of towns have tried to regulate agriculture out of their town
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and it is a result, what will result in that is instead of some of your food from China and Brazil,
you will get all of your food from China and Brazil.
MR. GHOSIO: Oh, believe me, there is no intention here of trying to regulate farmers out of
business, believe me but the ....
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: That's not what I am heating.
MR. GHOSIO: Not from me. I mean, the lobstermen and the fishermen in town, they have
regulations they have to adhere to also and certainly I would think that if we are going to ask
everybody else to have five foot non-turf buffers on their properties, I don't see that as being a
real, at least I would hope it wouldn't be a problem for the farmers either. And you know, I
think that is the way that most of the, if not all of the Town Trustees feel. Aside from that, I
think that we have a lot to be proud of here in Southold, I think that when you take a look at
some of the coastal towns along the eastern seaboard particularly in Florida and the high tourist
areas, when you look at aerial shots of what they look like, what their shoreline looks like and
then you looked at an aerial shot of what Southold Town looks like, we have an awful lot to be
proud of here. I think that as a Board, traditionally and as Trustees historically, while there is
room for improvement, we have done a good job overall. And I think this is just another step in
keeping that work going for us. That was it. I just wanted to make some comments. Thank you
for taking the time.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Mr. Cleary, before I go to you, I would just like to see if there is
anybody who hasn't spoken yet that would like to speak, to please feel free to come up. And
then I will go to round 2 right after.
DAN DURETT: Dan Durett, 505 Wiggins Street, Greenport. And I will thank the (inaudible)
because I left the Greenport Jr/Sr high school spring concert to come here and hear the public
comments and I will tell you the harmony at the high school was much better than the harmony
here. If you will allow me that privilege. I think our youth are perhaps teaching us at this very
moment or they should be finished by now, what harmony really means. I think many comments
have been made and they are very distinct, very succinct in their direction. I think again the
comment has been made that the Board is very fortunate to have this kind of public input. Two
things however, I wasn't going to say anything until the whole point about mean high tide and
the whole public trust doctrine that needs adherence to and some clarification and then also, the
point about the pools and the exceptions that are in the pools allowed here for from 100 feet to
50 feet and there has been this ongoing history it seems, I would just like to read a comment, the
name will remain anonymous if I may for right now, it says 'We had to go to court where the old
town code did not cover pools as structures like homes, garages. So the property owners won
round one, the town appealed and argued that that has always been intent and practice and they
won and changed the code so that pools were structures and under town determination. Now,
today, to separate pools again can tip the scales the other way and say if pools at 50 feet, why not
homes?' I read that portion there because you know, again I have only been here for 7 years but
them is something in the history whether it is coastal zone management or land use management
that there has been exceptions and I am concerned about the exceptions. ! will close just by
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asking each person both in the public and on the Board, to take a look at Fritz Helings, he was
Democratic senator from South Carolina, he was very influential in terms of the coastal zone
management. Much of his work that he did in the 80's and 90's was directed towards the
conclusion that you just stated that Southold does has a lot to be proud of. And I see winces
when I mention looking outside of Southold and I think sound science is sound science
regardless of where it comes from and I think that is the driving fome and as always, I will end
with my usual refrain is what are we leaving for the youth? What is left 5 years from now and
10 years from now and that is the purpose of my remarks. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Anyone else who hasn't spoken yet? Mr. Cleary had his hand up
first and then I will go to you but if there is anyone else that hasn't spoken yet, I would rather
give someone a chance, let me give everyone a chance to speak the first time, then we will go for
round two. Dave?
DAVE BERGEN: Thank you very much. Dave Bergen from Cutchogue and also a Trustee.
And without wasting time, I want to echo, a lot of the comments that have been made tonight
have been excellent and very useful. This process has been going on for years, this process,
when I refer to this process, the amendments to 275 as well as amendments to 111 and other
codes that the Trustees work with. And there is no intention of trying to force this through
tonight, if it takes mom time, it takes more time. That is a good thing. There is just one thing
that I do want to echo, a couple of people about and that is the ag exemption. Now, I first want
to say, I am not against agriculture, I am not against aquaculture. Agriculture is extremely
important to our local economy and not just our local economy or state economy or national
economy and the well being of the people here in the United States. That being said, when 236
came through, the stormwater runoff code, the Trustees recommended that the ag exemption be
taken out and the code committee put it back in. and the Town Board approved it and I know
this Town Board has been working with a situation on Mill Road in Mattituck, where because
the ag exemption is there, there is runoff from a farm that is going into the Mattituck Inlet and is
degraded the quality of the water in Mattituck Inlet. There's other areas in town where the same
thing has happened. So now the Trustees put in here, into our proposed changes, that the
commercial and agricultural activities had to come in for a simple administrative permit for
activities within 25 feet of the wetlands. Code committee took that out. So the Trustees are
trying to support the importance of the buffer that needs to be created between upland areas and
our valuable wetlands. And I really hope that there is serious consideration given to that, to
putting that back in, what the Trustees have recommended. Not prohibiting but at least having,
requiring commercial and ag to come in to the Trustees for a simple permit for activities within
25 feet of the wetlands. Science, everybody here agrees, that the use of fertilizers, pesticides, in
some cases herbicides, right down to the waters edge is not beneficial for our water. You have
heard Kevin McAllister and others talk about nitrogen loads into the waters. Certainly with
fertilizers you are going to have nitrogen loads into the water and all I am asking is please work
with us and try to address that exemption because we tried it in 236, it was taken out and the
town is now dealing with a lot of problems because of that. Let's avoid that issue here with
pesticides and fertilizers. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I am going to go to you, Mr. Meinke. I just want to address that
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issue, the farmland exemption. The ag districts law speaks to the issue with regard to application
of fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides, they are all heavily regulated right now already, by other
jurisdictions. Earlier you had mentioned, the issue of phragmites is already being reviewed by a
jurisdiction, the DEC. from a practical standpoint, you are right but so is the application of
pesticides, fertilizers, herbicides it is a heavily regulated industry already without having to add
the Trustees to that. But ag districts and markets law ties our hands as to what we can apply to
bona fide ag operations and what we can't, that's the issue we have to deal with. We have to
deal with jurisdictions just like Trustees can't extend permission beyond what the DEC does.
We can't extend regulation beyond what ag and markets lets us. And you see those challenges in
every aspect every day.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: You know regarding the agricultural pieces and the one you
referenced there, Dave, those two farm, well, that one and the one on New Suffolk Avenue
where it floods Deep Hole creek extensively, those farmers actually were working with the town.
They changed crops, they changed the way their furrows were going to try to alleviate some of it,
so I think the farmers are aware that it is an issue and the one over on East Mill, they have been
working with us to try to address it as well but they also are not within 25 feet of the wetlands. It
goes down hill on the streets, but the 25 feet of the wetlands wouldn't address those particular
farms but they have been working with us to try to correct it. so they are aware it is a problem as
well.
MR. MEINKE: Thank you, Scott. I just wanted to reiterate about the degradation of our
groundwater and surface water by nitrate. This is very, very important. The Peconic Bay
estuary program is the 28th estuary program, it is an important one. Our estuaries are the
nurseries for all the marine life and goes out into the ocean and it goes all around the world and
marine life is the food for an awful lot of disadvantaged people and we are losing marine life and
the oceans are losing it, so the estuary is exceedingly important. Now, we are putting a nitrogen
loading that is increasing and it is slowly destroying the estuary and we will have to do
something. So this isn't particularly a discussion I am sorry against the Trustees but it is just that
this is an important issue, it is a Southold Town issue, we are going to have to look at it, it isn't
going to be easy because we are degrading the groundwater and the surface water right the way
we live right now. As we add development, we are going to make it worse. As septic systems
get older, we are going to make it worse. How we do this, there will be a financial problem
which you guys are all going to have to worry about but it does have to be solved and we are a
progressive operation out here in Southold Town, tourism and the clarity of the waters and our
marine business, it all depends on keeping the estuary pure. We should make that a priority and
it isn't going to be easy, it is going to be hard work for everybody but we should keep it up front
because it is exceedingly important and it is very easy to sit back and just let the stuff ooze into
the water, you don't see it, you don't smell it, not for quite a while yet but it is doing it, so we all
got to pay attention to it and get behind it and contribute to the solution. And I think it is
exceedingly important and I would like to see us get on it and start national discussions right
now. Thank you.
MR. CLEARY: Just a quick question again. John Cleary again. Same picture, I don't know if
you can get a good picture of it, this is a random one that I had. This is the Mattituck inlet area.
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I will pass that out. But regarding rack lines, I had some pictures that I lost one between home
and here, but last week there was a whole bunch of rack lines along the beach and yesterday
morning there were none and two feet of the beach was missing. That is why you need a mean
high tide mark of 17 years. That is the random one and you can see all the rack lines. Sunday
night came, they were all gone.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you. We are still on 275. What we will do is when we are
wrapped up with 275, we will go to the regular comment period.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: Jill has comments and I have comments also.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Okay. Please go ahead.
MS. HARRISON: Thanks. Just to follow up on the setback discussions. Some very fine
additional comments were made since I last spoke. But I am very concerned about the concept
of reliving a setback requirement because it is something we always do anyway with variances.
That is just not a good reason. If you have to go through a variance procedure, one would think
that in doing so, you are evaluating a real need and making someone prove the real need and
providing an opportunity to the land owner to understand what some of the concerns are and why
the setbacks are in place and what can be at risk. And when you put something very valuable
closer to a bluff, like a swimming pool, you are putting your investment at a risk because bluffs
don't stand still, as we all know they erode. And that is what leads to shoreline hardening
requests later. So if we want to leave our shorelines natural and avoid the need for hardening
structures to protect peoples financial investments, we try to keep their financial investments as
far back from the bluff as possible and I think it should remain as a requirement for a variance if
100 feet is not enough. Thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you. Would anybody else like to comment on chapter 275
proposed amendments?
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: I just kind of wanted to reiterate what Bob was saying. I was
on the Board of Trnstees for 5 years and this was not something that Trustees decided to change
the code and go into a room and brainstorm. These are issues that constantly came up to the
Board on a monthly basis while we are working on the application. And they would come up and
we would go, okay, we will work around it and these are the things that constantly came up and
became issues and we started making a list and we would discuss it and we would try to work
with it and this is how we came to propose these changes. And it is something that has been a
work in progress for years and right now they have another list that they are working with and
that they will, you know, propose to change. The Trustees are working with the Planning Board
on the natural resource component of the chapter, it is something that as the town evolves, the
code has to evolve and it is not just for 275, it is for all our codes. So it is not something that the
Trustees have looked at lightly, it is something, it is numerous discussions, numerous public
work sessions we have had before it even came to the Town Board. Numerous code committee
meetings. I just wanted to touch on the setback. It is a practical reason why we are coming back
with that because a lot of the properties in Southold Town that exist that have houses on them
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since the early 1900's, the properties are not 100 feet, they are, you know, so, it's, they might
only have 50 feet of lawn so if they come in and they want to repair their cottage, we try to do
the maximum setback as we can. Of course, the more property, the larger the setback the
Trustees feel. So those are some of the reasoning's behind the issues that came before us and the
changes we proposed, the Trustees proposed to the Town Board. And it is something that we
worked many different departments, we did research and I think that this is a great group here, I
am pleased that everybody came out to give their comments and I am looking forward to
working with this more so we can tighten it up and integrate some of these comments in here.
It's, this is a code not for the Trustees, it is a code for the people of Southold Town and the
people should be involved in developing the code. So it is good that everybody has come out
and we need to continue to work on it, obviously, with all of the comments tonight and hopefully
we will continue to work on it and come to some resolution and there will be further changes,
even if we make some of these changes now, in the future with the natural resources chapter,
there will be more changes. So I think it is good that everybody came out and we are discussing
it now.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: Just to go back even further, in 2000 when the Nature
Conservancy came up with a meeting group, a work group of all east end towns and we met once
a year for a couple of years and discussed all of our common issues on the waterfront, the
Trustees and the natural resource departments of the east end towns. And as a result of that, the
Trustees started rewriting the town code which was woefully inadequate in 2004. Took us over a
year, meeting almost every week and this is basically what we came up with. Since then, like Jill
said, the practical reality set in of administering the code and a lot of changes, not a lot of
changes but there were some adjustments that needed to be made, not only to make it easier for
the town but easier for the people because you have to live on the water and you have to fix your
home and repair it or build a new home and live there. And you have to do it if, if you are the
government agency and you are going to have jurisdiction, you have to do it in a way that is fair
and timely. So I would like to comment on some of the specific codes just to put that in the
record. I do agree with what Pat said about the permitted structure. Originally we put it in
because you should be able to fix, make any repair on a permanent structure whether it is age or
from storm event or without any action by any town agency but I don't think anyone looked at a
house that was pre-existing the code and that is a good point. We were really referencing
bulkheads, docks, groins, things like that. as far as the setback goes, generally I found that in 20
years with the Trustees, swimming pools to be pretty environmentally neutral. I think we should
add non-chlorinated pool to that because usually they are replacing a turfed area. A lot of the
comments that Chris read earlier came from the MS 4 committee in town. The MS 4 is a state
mandated program about drainage in the town. It helps us with surface water quality and a lot of
those comments are going to be worked into the code as far as drainage review at the Trustee
level. The Trustees already do a very good job as far as the drainage review but it should remain
clear in the application that even if the Trustees don't require something drainage wise, that
another section of another town code does and that is important. 275-10, contents of permit C,
we had put in originally a schedule of when operations would be conducted, there was an effort
to take that out. I am still on the fence about that, I don't think that is too onerous, I think they
could put the operation will be conducted as soon as the permit is issued and that would be the
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schedule or for a larger project, the Trustees had some concems about what the schedule of
events would be, I think then they could require a more severe time table. 275-11 A 4 b, there
was a change put in here temporary or seasonal snow fences may be permitted upon showing a
need for erosion control at the Trustees discretion, I am not convinced that is a good idea. I
don't like the idea of snow fences on the beach, we went through this about 10 years ago about
fences on the beach, generally it is not a good idea, even if they are clearly on private property
they can become debris in the water in a storm event, they can also cause erosion in a storm
event. 275-11 B g, new bulkheads in bays or creeks are prohibited unless the operation involves
construction of a low sill bulkhead. There was interest in adding 'or connects adjoining
functional bulkheads.' I never saw in the creeks or the bay where that appropriate because you
are hardening the shoreline in a creek or a bay and I will still be against adding that. in the
section with docks, 275-11 C 2 under docks, there was interest in having all floats and docks
have the appropriate permit number permanently affixed, to have that removed. I don't
understand why that is so difficult to have the permit number put on a dock for identification. I
think that should stay in. and that was it. I think the Trustees put a lot of work into it and I
applaud their efforts because the majority of the changes are really going to make it a lot easier
for everyone and thanks for the work.
COUNCILMAN RULAND: Scott, may I? I guess I am going to address my comments mostly
to Bob Ghosio because he and I have spoken previously about some things but I sensed in your
voice a small amount of disappointment in that, I think your words were 'I hope this doesn't
languish forever' My only observation is and it is very similar to the last one I made at the last
meeting is this is part of the process. Whatever is brought forth and there were other things
brought forth previously that had to do with parking and pet waste and things previous to that but
until you hear from the people and every idea or comment that they have, you really don't know
whether what you are proposing is sound or whether it needs work like Albert was saying or Jill
was saying. Because lots of times, I know the comment was made this morning by Scott about
the set of neutral eyes, someone who is not involved in the process, looking and reading
something and coming up with you know, what does this mean, how is it interpreted and
sometimes when you are on the inside and you are trying to focus on something that you believe
is right, you are not looking at it exactly as other people would especially the people that may be
affected by it, so the process I believe is alive and well. We received a lot of written comment
prior to this to digest as well, certainly as was stated before, it would be imprudent to try and
enact something like as proposed tonight with as much comment as we had received previous to
the meeting plus tonight because there are many things to contemplate and I know the town
attorney has been feverishly taking notes down there because I can see him writing and as it
should be, there is no other way to say it other than in the end just like the parking problem, we
are going to come to a consensus on this issue that is going to be workable and then we are going
to move on as Jill says because the only thing that we know that is constant is change. It is all
the time, things are changing. Mr. Durett talked about that and it will go on and truly, he is right
again in that what will we leave the next generation or the next generation after that. hopefully
we leave them that prudent people with prudent minds sat down around the table or in a forum
and came up with ideas that made this place a better place for them in the 50 years that hence
was mentioned.
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SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Okay, if there is no other comment on 275, I will get a motion to
close?
RESULT: CLOSED [UNANIMOUSI
MOVER: Albert Krupski Jr., Councilman
SECONDER: Louisa P. Evans, Justice
AYES: Ruland, Talbot, Doherty, Krupski Jr., Evans, Russell
Closing Comments
Supervisor Russell
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: And now what I will do is invite anybody that wants to address the
Town Board on any issue to come before the Town Board and speak? Mr. Cleary?
John Cleary
JOHN CLEARY: How am you? Long night tonight. John Cleary again and this goes back to
an old question I had on that fence on Mattituck beach. The, not who owns what property or
anything just the legality of the fence itself. When I first came to the Board in October, early
October 2010, I said the fence goes 40 feet into the water. And Mr. Krupski said I thought that
was addressed before, didn't anyone do anything about it? well, that rang a little bell in my head
so I said, you better find out what you are talking about. So the next day I went over to see Mr.
Robert Scott over in the Assessor's office. I said, where is the property line on that? he
explained to me that the people out there had a court decision, that they extended their property
line to mean high tide mark. And he gave me a copy of the survey, not a copy of the survey, a
copy of who did it, I have the same copy but it was by Joseph Ingegno, his phone number is 631
727-2090, I call that number. I left that door and before I got to my car, I spoke to Nathan
Kerwin who bought the business. Nathan Kerwin said he did the survey, he did this survey for
Christine Rivera. And I said where did you get the information to form a mean high tide mark?
He said the survey has absolutely nothing to do with the mean high tide mark and that is not a
mark on it. Where did you get that line? He said, I used the weed line of one day. The weed
line of one day. okay? Now I went to the Trustees and I said there is no record of a mean high
tide mark that far down and Ms. Doherty said to me, we do things the way we want to do it in
Southold. That is her quote.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: I did not say that.
MR. CLEARY: There are four people here that heard that.
UNIDENTIFIED: Inaudible.
MR. CLEARY: Now ....
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: You will have your chance at the microphone.
MR. CLEARY: Now, Mr. King, Mr. James King said the judge, referring to Elizabeth Hazlet
Emerson, gave underwater land of the State of New York to these residents. That is what he
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said, I didn't say that. these witnesses will say the same thing. You are outnumbered here
tonight.
UNIDENTIFIED: Inaudible.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I will end this meeting now if we are not going to maintain decorum.
MR. CLEARY: I followed the court, I went to the court where Ms. Rivera charged Mr. Calabro
with walking on his sand and Ms. Rivera said consistently they have property to the mean high
tide mark, knowing full well that they only, the only mean high tide mark they had was the
original one in the 1949 survey. Now, I asked Ms. Doherty several times to give me the survey
of any mean high tide mark that is required in the permit that she issued, permit says she can put
a fence up to the mean high tide mark. I never got a mean high tide mark from Ms. Doherty. So
I FOIL'd the request for a mean high tide mark and the Ms. Hulse, the Assistant Town Attorney
said there wasn't any. The only thing they had for the mean high tide mark was the 1949 survey.
So, when I went to see Mr. James King who happened to be at the meeting in January when I
said there is no thing, this is in doubt, I went to him and I have a copy, I sent you a note, and I
said I would like you to re-evaluate the permit because Ms. Hulse has been unable to find any
mean high tide mark other than the 1949 survey. Now, Mr. King told me I am not going to do
anything and if you don't like what I am doing, sue me. That is what Mr. King told me. Now,
the point is, there is no, if you can find one, show me a mean high tide mark. Show me a mean
high tide mark that is in compliance with the federal court cases that I cited, that is fine. Now,
keep in mind that this survey of Nathan Kerwin, you might have seen some of his surveys, had to
do with that rock and stuff. Mr. Nathan Kerwin was brought into court to testify at Mr.
Calabro's trial and Mr. Nathan Kerwin said there is no difference between the apparent high fide
mark on this survey which he said to me is a weed line, and a mean high tide mark. This is what
the surveyor said. So I would be very suspicious of anything that that surveyor says and does as
far as anything goes. Now, I had some pictures, now I misplaced them on the way in, there is an
oddity with that, with the property line, the fence line goes all the way north in the direction and
then makes an 8 or 10 foot jog to the right and then goes down to the water. Now, when I talked
to Mr. Nathan Kerwin on the survey, I asked him why that fence went off at an angle giving Mrs.
Rivera another 17 feet of beach front, valued 'in excess of $100,000. Mr. Nathan Kerwin said
Ms. Rivera wanted to keep her fence line straight. All this land that is to the east, she only
challenged (inaudible). So therefore, the question is, did Judge Emerson in this court decision
award over $100,000 shorefront property to Ms. Rivera for cosmetic reasons? That would be a
newer area in court as far as I can see, cosmetic reasons giving you another 17 feet of waterfront.
Now, I had asked Mr. Finnegan and he sent a letter to Mr. Spota last October requesting an
investigation into this survey. Now Mr. Spota's office, this is the survey and it was 2006
because that is the date on it from the apparent high tide mark, October 2006, Mr. Spota writes
back to Mr. Finnegan, you got that letter, oh, I thoroughly examined the map of 2003 and found
nothing wrong with it. well, I would like you to re-contact Mr. Spota and find out how a weed
line was used in a court of law and given, not to the Town Board you said no one in the town, no
attorney under another FOIL request, nobody was notified by the court of any decision.
However, there is a signature on the change in property of not an employee of the town but a
consultant and the town knows nothing about it. I would like Mr. Spota to investigate that, too.
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How a consultant gets a hold of a form and changes the property (inaudible) and what legality?
Give me a mean high tide mark on that one, too. And the interesting thing about the court
decision is, is it identifies this document because it is a copy from the court, identifies this
document as a mean high tide mark. How in the world did Judge Emerson ever get the idea
when Mr. Kerwin stated to me, anybody can see that it is not a mean high tide mark. There is
not a mention on it at all. The second thing in the court decision that is unique is that it refers to
the people of only, always having said that there property line is the high tide mark when their
deeds say the mean high tide mark of the 1949 survey, that is wrong. The third thing is with the
court decision is she said it won't affect anyone else. Well, there is three lots down in that strip
of beach that weren't mentioned in any of the court applications. Therefore, that is wrong. So in
actuality, Judge Emerson is in violation of her own court order. I would like Mr. Spota to check
that out, too. Thank you. Mr. Finnegan, will you take care of this?
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: Sir, I am not going to contact the district attorney and ask
him to investigate the town, no I won't, we have had this discussion about 10 times previously
and we, I told you, we sent the letter. The town is not a party to this dispute, okay? There is
nothing this Town Board can do to set aside Judge Emerson's order...
MR. CLEARY: Oh, I don't want it set aside, I want it clarified.
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: I can't tell you what it says, you can hire an attorney to
have that done, okay?. But this Town Board cannot speak to what Judge Emerson thought when
she cut that order.
MR. CLEARY:~ I don't want to speak about that, either.
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: Well, that is what you just asked, several times in a row.
MR. CLEARY: Well, I called Judge Emerson, wait a minute now ....
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: It is not relevant to ....
MR. CLEARY: Stop trying to obfuscate something. You know, get to the facts here. The facts
are, there are no documents saying ....
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: The facts are the Judge made a decision on this and the Town of
Southold has nothing to do with it. We can't change her decision.
MR. CLEARY: Okay, then find out why this Jack Sherwood...
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: You had your opportunity to discuss it, it is not for you to direct the
Town Attorney, it is for this Town Board to direct the Town Attorney. We will take all of your
recommendations, email them to me.
MR. CLEARY: I did.
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SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: In the meantime, I would like Mr. Epidy to get an opportunity to
speak.
MR. CLEARY: Okay, thank you.
John Epidy
MR. EPIDY: Well, I was here once before and I am back again and I hope I am in the fight
position to be able to talk. Now, all this talk and all this talk about what these beautiful people
were talking about and taking care of our town of Southold, out of a clear blue sky, here comes a
fence. Access to the beach. Access to the beach. Here comes a fence that has been approved by
who else but the Trustees. You were the president Jill, when you approved for that lady to have
a fence put up and going towards the water. I understand she had a tea party down there and she
had all you guys down there and you discussed it at one time, according to that big, thick file of
hers which I have home. Your file.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: We do inspections and we do go to each site.
MR. EPIDY: Inspections. I am not excited, I just want to know how this woman was permitted
a permit on a public beach, to put that fence up.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: The permit was to put a fence on her private property and she
applied for it, the whole entire Board reviewed it, we went down there several times, we reduced
the scope of what she was asking for ....
MR. EPIDY: It isn't her private property.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: You are asking me a question and I am trying to answer ....
MR. EPIDY: I want everyone to hear this. You are saying that that's private property? Are you
saying that?
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Mr. Epidy ....
MR. EPIDY: I am saying that, not on a public beach, it cannot be. Impossible.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Mr. Epidy, we reviewed the documents that were submitted
in this application and the Board gave her a permit based on the application that was submitted.
MR. EPIDY: Did you put it through the legal? Lori Hulse and this man here, Mr. Finnigan?
Your legal attorney.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Yes, we reviewed it thoroughly over a couple of months and
we went out to the site many times and we did our research ....
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MR. EPIDY: No, no. i asked you if you went through your attorneys to get the legal right as to
whether you should permit that on a public beach? That is all I am asking you now. Did you or
didn't you go to Loft Hulse and did you or didn't you go ....
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: Excuse me, excuse me sir.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: It is not permitted on public property.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Let's maintain decorum, please. I just want us to maintain decorum.
MR. EPIDY: Let me tell you something, Scott. Let me tell you guys something. I go by one
document, you know, I am going to change this around a little bit. I am a retired New York City
fireman and before that I was a Korean War veteran. This is my country, they gave me a
doctrine and I believe in it. and I believe in our country, now, by the life of me, if you know how
to read comprehensive reading, this document covers everything. Everything, everything. Why
people try to get around it is over and beyond me because it is for everyone, the public. Not for
individuals but for the public. Now, what does this doctrine tell you and what does it say? You
know what it says? We have a right to a public beach and how do you find out whether it is a
public beach or not? It is not hard, not hard at all. Anybody can do it. I walk on the beach, I
look to my left, I look to my right. What do I see on my left? I see something that zig zags, just
like the water out there. Zig zags. And I look and I look at that zig zag and I said, you know,
that is the terrain of the land. And just below these dunes and just below the vegetation, all ora
sudden it becomes sand which is the (inaudible) footprints in the sand. Now anyone can see that
it's sand and that's vegetation. DEC handles the vegetation. Who handles the sand? Public
access to the beach, turn to the left, turn to the right. How do educated Trustees like you people
all of a sudden make this different? It is no different. We are talking about the fore and the
shores. If you stay below the grassline and regardless of where the water is, that is your
foreshores. The doctrine tells you. the foreshores belong to the public. It is right here. Did you
read the book? Have you ever read this whole thing?
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Yes, I have.
MR. EPIDY: Have you?
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Yes.
MR. EPIDY: Tell me, I will ask you a question now. Let's say she owns the land ....
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: Can you speak into the microphone?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We want this for public record and ....
MR. EPIDY: I want it in the public record.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Then we need you in the microphone.
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MR. EPIDY: Let's just say she owns the land. What does she do with it? what rights has she
got? I asked you, you read this? What rights has she got?
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: She can apply for anything she wants, just like you can on
your property and it is up to the Board to review and make sure it fits ....
MR. EPIDY: She owns the beach. You tell me. Let's say she does, under the doctrine,
ownership of beach property, page 83 of the doctrine, you said you read the doctrine now, you
did tell me that, right? You know the doctrine.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: I don't know it by heart.
MR. EPIDY: Underwater lands, the foreshores of the public trust. The legal geography of New
York's beaches, tide lands and the lands underwater is defined by the public trust doctrine and
the court cases that interpreted applications. _Under the public trust doctrine, the foreshore and
underwater lands are held in trust by the state of local governments for the benefit of the public.
The public trust doctrine is the basis for the public's right to swim, fish, walk the shoreline.
When the tide is in, we may use the water covering the foreshores for boating, bathing, fishing
and other lawful purposes and when the tide is out, he may pass and re-pass over the foreshores
as a means of access to reach the water for the same purposes allowed in the reclining thereof.
Now, okay, this is the one. Page 84 on whether she owns the land or not. In addition to colonial
charters and titles conveying lands to the town, submerged lands have also been conveyed by the
state, town and private owners for commercial purposes and to develop (inaudible). Yet with
few exceptions, the ownership of most lands underwater or formerly underwater land that are
vested with a public trust is in three forms. Number one, state ownership. Number two, local
government ownership and number three, private ownership either by grant from the state or the
town, in most instances where publicity owned underwater land have been conveyed into private
ownership, the public trust doctrine remains intact. So even if she owns the land, they are under
the land and the doctrine says for the people.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Yes, I agree.
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: Excuse me, sir...
MR. EPIDY: If you read the doctrine and you know what it is all about, those things should
have been taken care of by you guys. That is your responsibility to me as a taxpayer. You are
taking my beach away from me. You are permitting him to put a fence all the way down to the
water? And into the water, we have pictures of into the water. We just won a case in court and
if you want to go further into this thing, this doctrine will show you case courts. Over and over
and over again, this bas been put on trial in the court and the public has always won. That is why
I asked you if you read this document and evidently, you haven't.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Okay.
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COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Mr. Epidy, just as an example of that, you have got water coming
over that fence area, right? If you had water come up over someone's house, does that make it
public property as well?
MR. EPIDY: Impossible to build it on public property. It would never be granted.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Well, you have seen pictures of water over people's houses.
MR. EPIDY: Yeah, and you know where I saw it? Westhampton Beach. Inaudible.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Inaudible.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: I don't think we ....
MR. EPIDY: Inaudible.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: You don't have to yell though.
MR. EPIDY: You know, you're right. You're right. But you have to forgive me. I am me and
you are you. you can talk at a moderate tone but for some reason, I am a damn fireman that is
hollering and screaming in the firehouse. Forgive me. Would you please forgive me?
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: I do. But we never yelled on the farm.
MR. EPIDY: But let's not get away from this. Are we following the doctrine?
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: I think there is a misinterpretation because some areas and some
properties, residential properties could have 400 feet that they own before they hit the water,
right?
MR. EPIDY: No, not if it is beach property.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Really?
MR. EPIDY: Yeah. Not if it is beach property. That is what they are telling you here.
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: Sir, sir. Let me tell you, excuse me ....
MR. EPIDY: You can go out and get 5 acres of land, okay, and let me tell you, Westhampton
Beach. Westhampton Beach, okay?. I have got a buddy of mine, (inaudible), that is his last
name. He owns the Westchester bank. He just built a $5,000,000. home on Dune Road. I
happen to be pretty friendly with the guy, you go over to this house over there, you have
everything. Elevators, this, that. here comes the dunes. Does he own them? Does he control
them? How far does his property go?
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COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Actually, we all own those dunes over there because the people, the
taxpayers of this country paid for that area to be rebuilt.
MR. EPIDY: No, no. Listen to me.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Created the village (inaudible)
MR. EPIDY: No, no. you are talking the village which is all the way west. I am going east on
Dune Road.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: And look at their surveys. They own right down to the water on
their surveys, fight?
MR. EPIDY: Listen to me, in the village ....
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: You were a fireman and I have seen a little bit more than you have,
sir.
MR. EPIDY: You are an inspector, they should know better.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: And I do know better, I know obviously better than you in this
instance.
MR. EPIDY: You go west, there is the village of Westhampton Beach ....
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: You are missing your point here.
MR. EPIDY: The point is this.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: You are missing your point.
MR. EPIDY: The point is this.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: You lost it.
MR. EPIDY: No, no. West, if you go over the bridge and you go west on Dune Road, where do
you go? You go to Cupsogue, there is a village out there that got destroyed, there was a breach.
That's what you are talking about.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Yeah, okay.
MR. EPIDY: You are not talking about going east, (inaudible)
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Let's talk about Southold Town here.
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MR. EPIDY: Huh?
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Let's talk about Southold Town and forget Westhampton.
MR. EPIDY: Yeah, well, why not? Why not talk about that? it is the same, there is no
difference there. And there the terrain zig zags in and out ....
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: I will agree to disagree with you on this case.
MR. EPIDY: How do you determine where your foreshores are?
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: You are misunderstanding what the doctrine says, just for
the record. The public trust doctrine and the rights that emanate out of the doctrine start at the
beach area that is seaward of the high water mark, okay?
MR. EPIDY: Right.
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: Right, of the high water mark, people, just by virtue of the
fact that there is sand on land does not make it public land. People have the right, they can own
beach land. They can...
MR. EPIDY: I am not saying (inaudible) but the doctrine says the doctrine remains intact
(inaudible).
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: I don't really know what you are trying, what you want this
Town Board to do but you ....
MR. EPIDY: I want to get rid of that fence.
· -TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: Okay. Well, this is not the proper forum to challenge the
installation of the fence, okay? A permit was issued by the Trustees, okay? Councilwoman
Doherty is no longer a member of the Board of Trustees.
MR. EPIDY: Who?
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: Excuse me, can I...I think if you want to challenge it, you
have the right to challenge it in a court of law, okay? Our town code permits the Trustees to
consider an application for the installation of a fence 10 feet landward of the high water mark.
Which is exactly what was done in this instance. If you, obviously you don't believe that the
documentation upon which that application was granted is accurate, you have the right to have
that ....
MR. EPIDY: I have a right to sue you.
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: Okay.
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MR. EPIDY: Right? I have a right to sue the town.
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: You have the right to do what you feel is necessary.
(Inaudible)
MR. EPIDY: You are an attorney, I have a right to sue the town.
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: You certainly do.
MR. EPIDY: Okay. I will bring you to court.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Okay.
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: Okay. You certainly do.
MR. EPIDY: A right to sue the town. And we will see if the permit was legal or not.
TOWN ATTORNEY FINNEGAN: That is fine sir.
MR. EPIDY: Inaudible.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: That is what was being proposed with, chapter 275 there were a lot
of amendments that we were considering tonight as part of the local law that would have set back
the fences not just 10 feet but a full 20 feet, to again~ try to address some of the challenges that
these fences create, we were trying to ensure more public trust access not less but it was part of
the whole package which is why we have to table it.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: You know how you talked about the rack line and how it moves,
everyone looks at that beach. Some beaches are flat, some beaches are steep and everyone's
interpretation of the high tide line is different, right? So if the Trustees go out there and they
look at the high tide line and it is here, today, and then someone else goes out and looks at it and
maybe they think that's the high tide line, right, and then legally you have to look at a 18 ½ year
period to determine the real high tide line. So when we originally redid the code, we said in
order to avoid that confusion, you can't put any fence closer than 10 feet to the high tide line
because that gives you some leeway of not putting it over the actual high tide line, alright? So
this code attempts to put it back further, 20 feet further just to give you a little more leeway for
the public, to keep the public's right. Okay?
Unidentified man
INAUDIBLE: Captain Kidd Estates, also. I have an old property map, I guess I got it from the
town here or whatever and from her comer, it says so many feet is her property. Well, if you
measure that from where that marker is supposed to be on that turn, she is way past that 208 feet
or whatever the heck it is.
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SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Let me just clarify, she went to court under the premise of what was
the intent of the original map which had deeded those properties to the mean high water mark.
She got a judge to agree with her, I have to be candid, I met, I told you and Mr. Cleary and Mr.
Epidy many times, I disagree with the judge here, I really do but I have no legal authority to do
anything about her decision. She had awarded the ownership of what she determined to be
accreted land to the owners along that area and the office of real property services re-mapped all
those properties.
UNIDENTIFIED: But there is a real measurement there.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Yes, from the 1949. Yes, I aware of that, I dealt with that map as an
assessor.
UNIDENTIFIED: And now, not only hers but all the properties to the west down there have that
same measurement.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: And the office of real property services re-mapped those properties
based on the judges decision. Again, I agree with....no, she awarded it based on the map that
was ....
UNIDENTIFIED: Inaudible comments.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: That was presented. You know, you are disagreeing with someone
who is a sympathetic ear and the Town Board has a sympathetic ear but the judges decision is
what rules the day, the town doesn't have any authority to change a judges decision. I wish we
did but we don't. That is for higher authorities not for the town, we are not a party to that action.
UNIDENTIFIED: So, let's say, can I say pay off somebody and they are a judge, oh, okay,
that's okay then.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: That is not what I am saying. That is not what I am saying.
UNIDENTIFIED: Boy, this is some freedom then.
John Epidy
MR. EPIDY: Inaudible. You appeal the decision.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: We have no right to appeal.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We have no standing. The State Department of State could, we
certainly have reached out and asked them...
MR. EPIDY: Inaudible. And have it overturned.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Mr. Epidy, we were no party to that suit.
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SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We have asked that of the New York State Department of State
which should be enforcing the public trust doctrine. The attorney general at that time, who is
now our governor who chose to...
MR. EPIDY: There is no law about you can't appeal. Appeal it, That is the legal way.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: But we weren't a party to the original action, so we have no...
MR. EPIDY: You can appeal it and it can be overtumed. Because you bring it to the judge's
attention, that map, I have got that map at home.
UNIDENTIFIED: I want to say a word, please. I read the permit, the DEC and so on and so
forth, one thing that was clear and at a meeting of our association which Ms. Rivera was there
before the trial, I said, okay, you got a permit, you put the fence up. Until it is overturned,
nobody can do anything about it but the permit said clearly that for any reason any part of that
fence is covered by water~ that section of the fence must come down. Well, that didn't happen.
So even the things that you put down that have to happen, don't happen.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: Well, see, you just...
UNIDENTIFIED: It said for any reason.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: You should bring that to the Trustees.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: That's what you have to do. Forget the judge that is indifferent to
Southold, okay, you go to the Trustees, they are the ones that issued the permit and appeal to
them that the fence shouldn't be there. They are the ones who issued the fence, they are the ones
who can revoke the permit.
UNIDENTIFIED: Okay. Alright, if the fence is legal or illegal, I am not discussing that...
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Inaudible
UNIDENTIFIED: Who issued the permit?
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: The Board of Trustees.
UNIDENTIFIED: Okay, in that permit that you issued, you said clearly that if the water hits the
fence for any reason, storm or not, and I saw the three sections covered. I live there across the
street, I walk down there all the time. Okay?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Bring those issues to the Trustees.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: She wants me to remove one section and if the water is still
up there, you need to go back to the Trustees ....
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UNIDENTIFIED: Why don't you do it?
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: You have to bring it to the Trustees. Bring it to the Board of
Trustees, the Southold Board of Trustees. Bring all that information to their office.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: And ifI remember correctly, the permit is on a yearly basis.
UNIDENTIFIED: Mr. Russell, we did that. I had pictures, I showed it to them. Under water.
Three sections. They didn't come down. So, thank you.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Would anybody else like to address the Town Board on any issue?
MR. EPIDY: Inaudible comments from audience....brought the property values still down, not
bad that they have come down but what you guys did has brought the value of that area down
because you can't tell people that you can go there and make a left hand turn and use the beach.
Keep that in mind, guys. Mr. Finnegan, appeal it and you will win.
Dan Durret
DAN DURETT: Hi, Dan Durett.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: I am beginning to miss the special events legislation. The good old
days.
MR. DURETT: Let me first congratulate the Town Board, the last two or three Town Board
meetings they really showed a lot of public participation, so you are doing something right
obviously. This is in the scheme of things, just very small, there was an item in the agenda,
surplus property, a vehicle that there was not a bid on and is going to be disposed of. I was
interested in what happens to that vehicle at this point, the reason I am asking is, if it is going to
be sold or given away as junk, why not take some consideration of donating it to a non-profit or
putting it up for a raffle or giving it to one of the high schools, I know Greenport has the
automotive.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We would gladly offer that to me, to be perfectly candid, they are
very well used vehicles.
MR. DURETT: Okay.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: And generally by the time they are already out to bid, they have
already been cannibalized for parts to keep the other vehicles in the fleet running, so usually
when we get no bids, we sell it for, right now we are getting about $205 per ton of metal and that
is usually, but you know, any agent or any jurisdiction that is interested, by all means. I just
don't think there is left to it to be of any value to any of those organizations.
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MR. DURETT: Okay. Final comment for me tonight is, again, I alluded to it earlier, having the
Board come to one of the high schools, obviously I say Greenport and have some meetings, I
think is a way of bringing government right into the homes in a sense.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Excellent idea. we are in the process now of setting up more mobile
Town Board meetings like we have done in the past, moving them from community to
community to get greater participation.
MR. DURETT: Come to Greenport, it is a great village.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: It sure is. Would anybody else, yes?
George Lamoga, Mattrituck
GEORGE LOMAGA: George Lomaga, my first comment, you guys, I have to really give you
credit to sit there, it is a little tough. John is hard to work with, I am president of the association,
he has got good points and he has got bad points. And he is loud.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: Is this how the Captain Kidd association meetings are?
MR. LOMAGA: Well, he doesn't come very much. So I am very lucky. A couple of things to
notice. I am not sure about the word apparent high water mark. It has to be hard. We were
talking out in the hall, 18.6 years, it is ridiculous to try and get a mark. Maybe sometimes, you
know, you guys are tabling this and maybe what we need to do is me and my association and
with you guys, you might want to chose a day, any day, pull a day out of a hat and put a stick in
the ground over here and say, you know, December 13, this is the high water mark and this is
(inaudible) maybe it might be the best way because we are never, I don't see us ever agreeing
what the mean high water mark is going to be, I don't Ellis agreeing where the reed line is going
to be but (inaudible). It is not an easy thing to do and that's the problem.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: The Trustees talked about htat and I think Bob came up with
the idea of let's do a date in the spring, like the spring high tide say April 1 of every year ....
MR. LOMAGA: That may be excellent.
COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: Go down and decide what the high tide mark is for that year.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: Yes, but if the wind is blowing east that day it is going to be high,
if it is blowing north west it is going to be lower so ....
MR. LOMAGA: Or you could do it for three years on that date. (inaudible) and by the way,
tonight I will swear I will go down there and two sections of the fence will be in water tonight.
We don't have a severe wind tonight, we have Venus going in front of the sun today, I finally
saw it down there today. Thank god I saw the transit of Venus, that made me happy, but the
fence is going to be in the water tonight I really think. If you want I will go down and get a
picture to show you guys.
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COUNCILWOMAN DOHERTY: And bring it to the Trustees.
MR. LOMAGA: Thank you very much, have a good night.
UNIDENTIFIED: Now about that dog waste, I just happened to get a new camera right after
Christmas, I was taking pictures at the end of Sound Beach, that little end where it comes and a
woman pulls up in a Volvo and let's her dog out and there is a big sign, well, little sign that says
no dogs allowed. And I said, ma'am, don't you see the sign and she said, I own that property all
the way over there and that sign is illegal. I said really, you put your dog on the other side of
your property. Then she got all huffy and she said ifI ever catch you on that side of the water, I
mean on that side of the, my land goes to wherever Connecticut or, now she says there is no
authority for anybody to put up a sign no dogs allowed.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: That road end is town owned, right to the mean high water mark
wherever that might be.
UNIDENTIFIED: She let those dogs out and they went to the east ....
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: If it went to the east that would have been park district property
wouldn't it?
UNIDENTIFIED: Well, there is a house right there too.
COUNCILMAN TALBOT: He is talking about the third beach, furthest from the west.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Okay.
UNIDENTIFIED: That is the last beach at the end of Sound but it says no dogs allowed but
there is no Town of Southold law or Suffolk County law or state law or anything...
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: There will be. We had an MS 4 meeting yesterday morning and
there is going to be, because of the new MS 4 regulations, the state is requiring us to have a pet
waste program and that is going to include having signs at every public area saying that you
can't, what you can and cannot do with your dog and if in fact, you do have a dog there you
have to clean up and remove it.
UNIDENTIFIED: I said that to her.
COUNCILMAN KRUPSKI: Because all that pet waste is causing shellfish closures and you can
either have pets going to the bathroom in wetlands or you can clam in clean water. Those are
your options.
UNIDENTIFIED: Your dog is pooping there, do you have a bag? She said yeah, it is in the car.
I said, yeah but, you are not going to, then I just left because I said I didn't want to start arguing
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with her anymore too but she owns the hill and she has a house I guess on Central Drive. That's
where her house is.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Not to create more civil war in your community but we will try to
prosecute if you take photographic evidence. We are working with the communities now...
UNIDENTIFIED: Terrific. I should have taken pictures.
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: We are working with community groups now that are working with
us because we know it is very difficult for us to enforce the pooper scooper law, we have
community groups that are willing to take photographs. As long as they are willing to testify in
court as to the authenticity of that photograph, we will try prosecuting.
UNIDENTIFIED: Thank you.
Supervisor Russell
SUPERVISOR RUSSELL: Thank you. Anybody else? Anybody? (No response)
Motion To: Adjourn Town Board Meeting
RESOLVED that this meeting of the Southold Town Board be and hereby is declared adjourned
at 10:33 P.M.
RESULT: DEFEATED [UNANIMOUS]
MOVER: Louisa P. Evans, Justice
SECONDER: Albert Kmpski Jr., Councilman
AYES:
EliT~th A. Neville
Southold Town Clerk
Ruland, Talbot, Doherty, Krupski Jr., Evans, Russell