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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-02/01/1968Southold Town Planning Board E3OUTHOLD. L. I., N. Y. 1i~71I PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS John Wickham, Chairman Henry Mo]aa Alfred Grebe William Unkelbaoh Frank Ceyle SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANN//~G BOARD February 1, 1968 A regular meeting of theSouthold Town Pta%ning Board was held at 7:30;P.M., Thursday, February 1, 1S68, at'the Town Office, Maim Road,-Southold, New York. There were present: Messrs: John Wickham, HenryMoisa, Vice'Chairman;William Unkelbach, Alfred Grebe. Also present: Otto W. Van Tuyl, Consultant; Howard Terry, Building Inspector. Richard Lark, Esq., and Mr. Richard E. Young, were present to discuss the dedication of BeebeDri~e'Extension at~CUtchogue, and presented a preliminary layout ofthe property'involved. Chairman; Frank'~Coyle, The'Chairman stated the'Planning Board felt since the adjoining property owner has substantial acreage there should be provisions made for a 50 foot road to connect 'the two properties. Southold Town Planning Board -2- February 1, 1968 RICHARD LARK, ESQ.: I went over ~his__.e~_tensively with Mr. Young, the surveyor, and Mr.. '~u. ng, the partner .in this. As far as~ue layout of' thms,e~e~=~n this side of Beebe Drive Extension is in excess of 20,000 square feet. O~er here there is a restriction that when he .deeded the propertyh these lots would be a minimum' of one acre. This bounds on this parcel here. When Mr. Beebe and Mr.¥oung first started this thing they had no intention of subdivision and that was before the new subdivision law. They appled for~ access under Section 280A of the' State Law. When they bought it from Wilson Tuthill it was all one piece. They got approval of the road. They went~ to the Surveyor and Mr. Dean and came up with what they wanted to do. To give these people privacy it was recommended to build a cul-de-sac. - At first they wanted to put it~ square up against the property line. This is what they came up with, as it shows on the map. They~weren't aware that the new subdiv~ion regulatiOns would come in or that a cut-through would be required. You are recommending reserving a 50 foot strip to connect this property with the adjoining property, tf the road wasn't in there already ~here wouldn't be any problem. Now that the road is in there a connection would not look too nice. THE CHAIRMAN: If you leave a'cut-through at this point, this will change the angle of the road. This is no problem. A discussion was held on .the drop-off in~the property elevation, and how this would effect future development'of adjoining property. RICHARD E. YOUNG: Wherewould a road here go, and what good would it do? THE CPL~IRMAN: ~e don'tknow at this-point. We aredt about to say what the person that owns the adjoinin~ ~roperty will want to do. They only ~ing we have to do is make sure provisionris made for when this adjoining property is developed. The Marsh land and creek line were Pointed ~uton the map. ~ Some discussion was held on the feasibility of developing the marsh land. Southold Town Planning Board -3- February 1, 1968 RICHARD t~P~K, ESQ.: When they sell the propertyit would have to be made known that a road may go through here, that it won't be a dead end road, and this may effect the sale of the property. THE CHAIRMAN: We have to look into the future. RICHARD E. YOUNG: Are you allowing marsh land to be filled? THE CHAIRMAN: Under some circumstances we are recommending that land be filled. We have no objection to this highway as such. In order to sell lots you have got to file for a minor subdivision. When you file for the subdivision we will require that you make provisions for reservations for the ~ighway to connect to the adjoining property. RICHARD!~K,ESQ.':.What do you want on the map, Reserved for dedication to the-Town? THE CHAIRMAN: Designate it on the map as possible dedication to the town. RIC~IARD LARK, ESQ.: How do you want us to come in with the road? THE CPL%IRMAN: We don't care how you lay it out, as long as it's parrallel to the turn-around and 50 feet~over. I think that we could waive the park and playground requirement in view of the fact-that you are leaving this open. MR. I~kRK: That is fair, enough. Do you want these gentlemen to make an application for preliminary approval? THE CHAIRMAN: You hare to make application for approval of preliminary layout. RICHARD ~-, ESQ.: We have the applica~on filled out. The only thing we have to do is put the 50 foot road reservation on the map. THE C~L~IRF~:' Designate it as reserved for highway'pruposes. The letter to the Town Board can approve this subject to .the fifty feet-being reserved for the road. Southold Town Planning Board -4- February 1, 1968 Mr. Gendron and Mr. Olsen appeared before the Planning Board .in regard to the subdivision to be known as Vista Bluff. It was determined the fee for the subdivision had been paid. There was still a question of the grade of the road meeting the grade of the road in the adjoining subdivision, bit. Olsen stated they are willing to connect with the adjoining road, and that the difference in grade is about 10 inches. It was determined there should be no groat problem in connecting the two roads. On motion by Mr. Moisa, socondod by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set the next-regular~meeting at the Town-Office, Main Road, Soutkid, New York, as the time and place of hearing upon application of approval of the following plat: Plat of property owned by Rene Gendron, entitlod Vista Bluff, consisting of a parcol of'land of 8.1 acres, situated at Cutchogue, in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New 'fork, and bounded and described as follows: BEGINNING at a point on the ordinary highwater mark of'Long.Island Sound where said high water mark. is inter- sected by tho westerly line.of Duck Pond Road; from said point of beginning running along said westerly line of Duck Pond Road, S. 19° 17' 30" E.- 430.0 feet to a monument; thence along the northwesterly-line of said Duck Pond Road, two courses: (1)-S. 31° 27' 30" W.- 188.92 feet; thence (2) S. 33° 04' 00" W.- 432.94 feet to a monummnt and land of Glendale'Associates; thence~along said land of Glendale Associates, as shown on "Map of'Birch Hills", filed inthe Suffolk'County~Clerk's Office as map ~4908, N. 3'9° 00' W.- 727.0 feet to said high water mark of Long Island Sound; thence along said high water m~kk, N. 60° 42' 20" E.- 15~22 feet to land of Phoebe V~ncent, three courses: (1) S. 39° 00f E.- 255.0 feet; thence (2) N. 60° 42' 20" E.- 100.0 feet; thence (3) N. 39° 00' W.- 255.0 feet to said high water mark of Long Island Sound; thence along said highwater mark, N. 60° 42' 20" E.- 630.39 foetto the point of'beginning. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa Mr. UD3e~bach, Mr. Coyle, Mr. Grebe. Southold Town Planning Board -5- February 1,1~68 A letter was received from William B. May, Jr., regarding minor subdivision of property on Fishers Island,, ~vw~ ~.~.~onwed bM Mr. May. A discussion was held on the condition of~Winthor~p3Driv~. Mr. Grebe felt-this road could be left as is unitl such time as it was turned over to the Town of Southold. The Chairman felt'that the foundation and the sidewalk~should be removed from the bounds of the highway before approval be grated to i he subdivision. It-was reported that two highway Superintendents had rqquired the removal of'the slab from the highway. The Board looked at the new layout of the property submitted by Mr. ~ay. Supervisor Albertson was present at the meeting. He was briefed on the background of the property under discussion. The Chairman again insisted that.the foundation be removed from the highway, in view of the past experi~e with the property. Supervisor Albertson advised the Planning Board of the results of the hearing hled on the change of zone at'Kenny's Road, Southold. .~Theppiece of property on the corner, measuring approximately 100 feet by 150 feet hadbeen'sold for "B" Business Property prior tothe notice for a change of zone being advertised in the Official newsp~er. Supervisor Albertson stated that the Town Board'later met with the involved property owners and it was thought the best solution would be to have a "B-2" Business District on the corner and an "M" Zone for the rest of ~he property. This would be done on the Town Board's own motion, and they wanted the Planning Board to be aHare of why the change was b~g donsidered. The chairman advised the'Supervisor that theywould like to set some dates for meetings w~th the: Town Board to discuss some changes that need to be made. On such thing is possibly to up~g~ade the existing Zoning Ordinance, rather than-adopt a whole new Ordinance. This would also have to be discussed with Raymond & May Associates. It was briefly discussed setting up a conservation committee. The Planning Board and Supervisor Albertson, felt this was not needed at the present time. Supervisor Albertson reported that a traffic arterial was needed to take the traffic west out of Southold village. Two such streets are being considered by the Town Board. One would be from Traveler Street to Horton Avenue and another Southold Town Planning Board -6- February 1, 1968 from Mechanic Street to Wells Road. The~e would be provisions made for parking in the rear of the stores. This was ~iseussed by the~ Supervisor and the Planning Board. Supervisor'Albertson'reported that representatives from the HealthDepartment have meetwith the Town Board in regard to sewage disposal in subdivisions with over one. hundred lots. It was pointed out ~hat these sewers disposal systems could be maintained.by either the developer, the Town, or b~ County Sewer'Agency. The Supervisor advised this is not some- thing we have to be concer~dwith immediately, but is something to think about. The Planning Board again discussed the property of William B. May,-.Jr. The Chairman advised that he would telephone Mr. May and try to clear the problem of getting the foundation out of the highway. The Planning Board again took up the matter of Beebe Drive Extension, dedication of the highway to theTown of Southold, and the application for approval of preliminary layout of the subdivision. On motion by Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town'Planning Board recommend to the'Eouthold Town Boardthey accept dedication of Beebe Drive'Extension, at Cutchouge, as a Town highway, subje~ to the planningBoar~receiving a preliminary subdivision map Showingthe fifty leer'reserved for highway'pu~oses to connect this property with the adjoining property. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Unkelbach, I~r. Coyle, ~r. Grebe. Southold Town Planning Board February 1, 1968 The Planning Board took up thematter of the subdivision to be known as Gardiners Bay~Estates, Section III, at'East Marion. All the papers seemed to be in order and all the necessary stelps have been taken to set a date for a final hearing on this application. On motion by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board setthe next regularmeeting of the Board, at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and ptace of hearing upon application of approval of the fOllowing plat: Plat of property owned by Gardners Bay'Co., Inc., entitled Gardiners Bay Estabes, Section III, Consisting of a parcel of land of 9.78 acres, situated at'East Marion, in the Town of Southold, Suffolk~County, New York, and~bounded anddescribed as follows: BEGINNNING at a monument on the easterly line of a private road known as "Old'Orchard Lane", 912.48 feet south- erly along said easterly line from the Ma/n Road, Said point of beginn~ being the southwesterly corner of land of Macara; from said point of beginning running along said land of Marcara, N. 63° 29' 40" E.- 263.20 feet to land of Thieringer Estate; thence along said land of Thie~in~er'Estate, two courses: (1) S. 27° 36' 10" E.- 475.0 feet; thence (2) N. 89° 30' E.- 155.0 feet to the shore of Marion Lake, thence southeasterly~along said shore as measured by a tie-line, S. 64° 37' 30" E.- 84.38 feet to land of Thorp; thence along said land of Thorp, S. 32° 54' 40" W.- 170.0 feet to a pro- posed highway to be known as "north Lane"; thence along the northerly line of said North-Lane, N. 85° 31' 00" W.- 315.11. feet; thence across the southerly end of a proposed highway to be known as Old Orchard Lane", S. 62° 23' 50" W.- 50.0 feet; thence along the northwesterly line of a proposed highway 'to be known as "Dogwood Lane", six courses: (1) s®u.th- westerly on a curve to theleft, having a radius of ~00.0 feet, a distance lof 117.93 feet, as measured by a chord'bearing S, 45° 30' 40" W.- 117. 50 feet; thence (2) southwesterly on a curve to the right having a raduis of 400.0 feet, a distance Of'100.0 feet, as measured by a chord bearing S. 32° 00' W.- 99.72 feet; thence (3) southwesterly on a curve to the right Southold. Town Planni ng Board -8- February 1, 1968 having a radius of 400.0 feet, a distance ofil00.0 feet as measured by a Chord bearing S~ 56© 00' W.- 99.72 feet; thence (4) southwesterly on a curve to the left having a raduis of ~00.0 feet, a dist~ce of 100.0 feet as measured by a chord bearing S. 54© 00' W.- 99.72 feet; thence (5) southwesterly on a curve to the left having a raduis of 260.0 feet, a distance of 100..0 feet as measured by a chord bearing S. 33° 00' W.- 99.38 feet; thence (6) southwesterly on a curve to the right having a radius of 186.0 feet, a distance of t00.0 feet as measured by a chord bearing S. 46° 45' 40" W.- 98.81 feet to a monument and land or'Schneider; thence along said land of 2 o 00" Schneider, N. 6 51' W.- 269.30 feet; thence along land of Gardners Bay Company, Inc., two courses: (1) N. 50° 49' 40" E.~ 382.16 feet; m~ thence (2) N. 27° 36' 10" W.- 293.08 feet to land of'Dzenkowski; thence along said land, N~ 57° 33' 40" E.- 213.51 feet to the westerly line of said private road known as "Old. Orchard Lane"; thence along said westerly.line, N. 27° 21' 20" W.- 63.0 feet; thence across maid "Old Orhhard Lane", N. 63° 29' 40" E.- 24.0 feet to the point of beginning. Voeeof the Board: Ayes:- Mr. WickA~m, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Unkelbach, Mr. Coyle, Mr. Gmebe. The Planning Board received from the Town Board the original petition of Thomas and Florece Jurzcenia, Greenport, New York, relative to a change of zone from-"A"Residential and Agricultural District to "M" Multiple'Residence District on certain real prpperty, with the instructions to prepare and official report defining the conditions contained therein. This property is situated at Greenport, in the Town of Southold, County of Suffolk and State of New York, and more particularly bounded and described as follows: BEGINNING at a point on the easterly'side of'Silvermere Road Where the present "M" zone district line intersects the Easterly line of Silvermere Road; running thence N. 15° 21! 30" E. 250 feet more or less to the land of Long Island Railroad; running thence along the land of the Long Island ~Railroad on the arc of a radius of 2832 feet, 108.06 feet to a point on the southerly line of land of'Long Island Railroad; running thence along the southerly line of land of Aong Islan~ Railroad N. 84° 30' 10" E.- 848.33 feet to land of Toner; running thence along land of Toner S. 6© 20' 50" W.~ 896.18 feet to ordinary highwater mark of Pipes Cove; thence generally Southold Town Planning Board -9- February 1, 1968 westerly along ordinary high water markofPipes Cove tothe present "M" zone distzict line; running thence through land of Jurzenia along the present "M" zone district line N. 4° 28' 20" W. 500 feet'more or less to a point; running thence through land of Jurzenia along the present "M" zone district line S.' 85° 31' 40" W.- 600 feet-more or less to the point or place ofbeginning. On motion by Mr. Unkelbach, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board does not favorablyrecommend to the Southold Town Board the change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "M" MuLtiple Residnece District on the above described property. The property involved is 17 acres, and the Planning Board has never recommended an "M" District'of this size. The acreage involved is more acreage than needed for the intended use. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickahm, Mr. Moisa, Unke~lbach,-Mr. Grebe. Nay:-Mr.~..Coyle The Planning Boardreceived and read.'the following letter: "December 12, 1967~Mr. Alfred Grebe, Fishers Island, New York "Dear' Fred: "Here is a rough plan showing the property we .still own on the west end of the Island, outlined in red. "We would like to know from your Boardwhat our procedure should be in the event'a client wants to buy a~part~of any of these lots. Of course we prefer to sell them in one piece, but rarely can a local person afford a large area and most of our requests are for one acre, more or less. "At the East~End we own Block 21, lots 1 and 2 and although we don't want to break these up we would like to know the Board's feeling on these also. Southold Town Planning Board -10- February 1, 1968 "Will you please return the map of the-East~ End lots as this is the only one I have. "Thanks a lot. '"Sincerely Yours, FISHERS ISLAND UTILITY COMPANY, INC.~, /s/ Gordon, W. Gordon Ahman, Real Estate Department." The Planning Board viewed the sketches submitted with the letter. The Board also Viewed the tax map showing the pro- perty in question. It was a~reed that a letterbe w~itten to Fishers Island Utility~Company, advising them the following: 1) on'the parcels of land over. two acres they should submit a map, un~ss they are sold as one piece; 2) the parcel of land over seven acres will have to have a subdivision map; 3) The lots on the east end, Block 21, lots 1 and 2, could be sold as is, but any other division would have to be approved by the Planning Board. They were also advised that the tax map sho~s Orchard Avenue going through their plot $5 to Madison House Road, and thePtanning Board would like to know what they proposed to do about it. The following letter was received from Samule L. Grimes, Esq.: "January 19, 1968', "Town Plan~ing Board, Town of Southold, Southold, New York, "Map of Birch Hills "Gentlemen: "~tis my understanding that the Town Engineer and the Town~'Highway'Superintendent have inspected and approved the public improvements made to the premises covered bythe "Map of~BirchHills". Accordingly, it is hereby formally requested that your Board make the necessary request of the Town Board for release of the perfOrmance bond posted by Birch Hills with the Town. Southold Town Planning Board -11- February 1, 1968 "It has been a pleasure to work with the Planning Board on this map. My clier~and I have appreciated verymuch your patient assistance and cooperation. "Respectfully ~urs, /s/ Samuel L. Grimes." The Planning Board discussed the request made by Mr. Grimes. The Following letter was written to Mr. Grimes: Dear'Mr. ~imes: We are'in receipt of a letter from the Superintendent of Highways in which he states the condition of the highway in your development. It is not satisfactory in that it fails to meet the grade of the respective highway in the adjoining subdivision. He also has notified us that the same problem exists with the adjacent subdivisien, in that it fails to meet the grade of the highway in your subdivision. It is obvious to us there is no great problem, in view of the fact the highway in the adjoining ~ubdivision has not yet been surfaced. We have suggested to them that theymeet the grade of your highway and they have agreed, but this might mean that their machinery wQuld have to turn around on oyour highway. Obviously this work can not be concluded until after the winter weather is over. We will keep our eyes on this mat~er,/ The Planning Board set February 13, 1968, at the Town Office, MainRoad, Southold, New York, as the time and plaee for a special meeting to meet with Robert'S. Jonas, Soil Conservationist. A brief discussion was held on the possibility of requiringpermanentbonds for the lots reserved for recreational purposedin subdivisions. Southold Town Planning Board -12- February 1, 1968 On motion by Mr. Grebe, seconded by Mr. Unkelbach, it wa~ RESOLVED that the minutes of the Southold Town Planning Board dated January 16, 1968, be approved as sent out. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham, Mr. Moisa~ Mr. Unkelbach, Mr. Coyle, Mr. Grebe. The Planning Board took'up the matter of access for the people living on and around Laurel Lake. It was felt an access road needs robe made between Aldrich Lane and Sound Avenue. It was agreed to write a letter to the Town Board staing they want access in this area. The following letter was written to the Town Board: It is the opinion of the Planning Board that an access road should be made available to thepeople on and around Laurel Lake. The~Planning Board feels that access .is most suitable on the Sound Avenue sidelof the lake in view of the fact the railroad limits access from the south and the east. It is also our thought that sometime in the future some of the Town property adjacent %o the lake might be used for municipal water syatem, and at that time we would find access from the north invaluable. The Planning Board set 7:30 P.M.', Tuesday, February 27, 1968, ~t the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and pl'ace of the next regular meeting. The Planning Board again took.up the matter of Willliam B. May, Jr's property on Fishers Island. It was agreed that after Mr. May has talked with the Chairman on the telephone, if everything is satisfactory to the Chairman, this also could be set for a final hearing at the next regular meeting of the Board. Southold Town Planning Board -13- February 1, 1968 The property of William B. May, Jr. is described as follows: Plat of property owned by William B. May, Jr., entitled Minor Subdivision No. 1, consisting of a parcel of land of approximately 10 acres, situated at Fishers Island, in the Town of Southold,-Suffolk County, New York, and bounded and described as follows: TRACT NO. 1 - BEGINNING at a lag screw on the dividing linc'between Tract No. ~ and Tract No. 2, and land of the United Sta~es of America known as the~Communications Antenna Site, said point being at the northeasterly end of a right of way known as Reservoir Road, said point also being located 1295.04 feetnorth of a point which is 5693.40 feet west of a monument marking the United States Coast and Geodetic Survey TriangUlation Station "PROS" and thence running south 20° 44' East 363.20 feet to a monument at the northeasterly corner of land of the United States of America known as the ~atch Tower Site, abutting southwesterly on said Tract~No. 2 and land of Mrs. R.F. Phillipp; thence south 20° 03' East 50.0 feet abutting southwesterly on said Watch Tower Site; thence north 69© 57' East67.5Jfeet; thence northeasterly 117.10 feet'to a fence corner, these last two lines abutting southeasterly on land of said Philipp; thence along a fence North 32° 36' East 465.90 feet to a monument, abutting southeasterly on land of Wilmerding; thence along a fence North 35© 24' west 424 feet; thence along a fence North 46© 58' west 408 feet to the shore of Fishers Island Sound, these two lines abutting northeasterly on land of Barbara Pratt Wilmerding; thence following the meanders of Said shore line in a southwesterly direction about 492feet to said Communications Antenna'Site; thence south 50° 38" East about 95 feet to a cross on rock; thence south 50© 38' east 82.70 feet to a brass plate; thence southeast~ardly following the arc of a curve to the left whose radius is 137.10 feet a distance of 186.50 feet to a brass plate; thence south 65© 17' 10" east 14.99 feet; thence south 29° 46' west 31.34 feet to the lag screw at the point of beginning, these last five lines abutting southwesterly and northwesterly on said Communications Antenna Site. Southold Town Planning Board -14- Februaryl ,1968 TRACT NO. 2 - BEGINNING at a spike in the northerly line of'Winthrop Drive at the southeasterly corner-of land or'the UnitSd States designated as the "Fishers Island-Lifeboat Station Quarters Site," said point being 383.28 feetnorth of a point which is 5366.98 feet west of said "PROS" monument and ~hence running North 83° 59' east 53.72 feet abutting southerly on said road; thence north 46° 13' west 47.88 feet; thence north 59° 13' west 43.70 feet to a monument; thence north 59° 13' west 141.10 feet to a monument; thence north 46° 45~ west 69.13 feet; thence north 34° 52' west 66~10 feet; thence north 7° 51' west 97.38 feet; thence north 12° 10' east'190.27 feet; thence ncr thwardly on the arc of a curve to the left with a radius of 479.30 feet a distance of 97.35 feet; thence northeastwardly on the arc of a curve to the right having a radius of 157.50 feet a distance of 52.48 feet to the southwesterly line of Tract No.1; thence north 20° 44' west 74.17 feet to the lag screw at the point of beginning of tract No. 1; thence southwardly on the arc of a curve to the'left whose radius is 207.05 feet~ distance of 135.70 feet to a lag screw at a point on a curve to the right whose radius is 429.30 feet~and the direction of whose radius at that point is south 79° 15' 50" west; thence southwardly following the arc of said curve 82.90 feet to a brass plate marked'"C,'; thence south 12° 10' west 192.20 feet to an iron pipe; thence south 9° 12' east 125.50 feet; thence south 35° 47' east 76.01 feet; thence south 47° 55' east 86.29 feet; thence south 59° 13' east i77.06 feet to a spike; thence south 46° 13' east 34.0 feet to a spike; thence south 27° 38' east 1.72.70 feet to the point of beginning. The meeting was ad3ourned at i0:30 P.M. RespectfUlly submitted, Barba=a C.- Dittmann, Secretary Southold Town Planning Board JOHN WICKHAM, CHAIRMAN