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Home My WebLink AboutPB-09/16/1968$ou hold Town Planning Board SOUTHOL[:). L. !., N. Y. 11971 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS John Wickham, Chairman Henry M o.isa Alfred Grebe William Unkelbach Frank Coyle MINUTES SOU%hold Town Planning Board Sep~mber 16~ 1968 A regulex meeting ~f ~he Southol~ Town Planning Board was held at 7=30 P. Me, September 16~ 1968= at ~he Tewn Qffice=~Main Road~ Southold~ New York~ There were present: Messrs: John Wickham~ Chairman; He~0c.~ Moisaa Vice Chairman; William Unkelbach~ =Alfred Grebe, Frank Also present: Howard Terry, Building Imspector; Otto W. Van Tuyi~ Consultant e PUBLIC ~BARING= Upon the question of approval of plat: Plat ~f pr~p~_xty ~by H.J.S. ~ & ~ve!~t Corp.~ ~een~rt~ consist~ ~ a p~cel ~ l~d 14.96 a~es ~re or less= situated at Gre~port~ ~T~ ~ ~uthold~ S~fo~Co~ty~ New Yorks ~d bo~ ~d descried ~foll~s: BEGINNING at a point om the southerly'line ef feet easterly along said southerly line from Westwoed Lane, said poin~ of beginning bein~ the n6rtheasterl¥ corner of lot S~oress Section 2; from said point of 1~~g ra~9'.~g ~ai~ southerly line of SoUnd Drive~ ~wocourses= (1) Ne 69~02~ 10" B~- 200,0 feet~ thence (~) N~ 74" 45~ 20" Be- ~65e74 feet to l~d of Burr; thence Southold Town Plannin~ard -2- ~eptember 16, 1968 along said ls/~d of Burr, four courses: (1) S, 15" 14' 40" E.--834,44 feet; thence (2) Se 20" 2~ 50" Be- ~Se75 f~t; .thee (S) N. 69e 0~' southerly l~e ~ H~es~ead Wa~; ~h~oe ~ong .s~d so~h~l~ l~e of HO~ste~ Way~ S. G9~ 02~ t0" W.. 378e57 feet~ ~henoe across s~ Ho~s~ Way ~d ~on9 lots.lO4 t~o~ 99 on ~p ~ ~ster~ Shores, Section 3~ N. 20" 57~. SO" W.- 9~.0 fee~ ~o the sou~eriF 1~ ~ I~et Pond Road~ ~t~e aoro~ said I~et Pond Road~ N. 4" 16' 20" W.- 52,Z0 fee~ t~e alon9 lo~ 98 ~n ~d ~p ~ Eas~ern'Shores~ Sec~i~ Z~ two ~ses: ~1) N, 20" 57~ 50" W.- I42,OZ fee~ ~oe (2) S, 72" St' ~" W.- 109,81 f~ ~hen=e alom~ lots 81-78 o~ said ~p ~ Bas~e~ ~ores, ~=~on Z, t~ oo~ses: (1) N. 16" 03' OO" ~87.36 fee~ ~oe (2) N. 20" 57'50" W.- ZY0 feet to the ~int ~ The Chairman read the 'affi~ts of publication of ~he legal no~ice of hearing~ and a letter from the Superintendm~t ef ~t%ghways~ ~ate~$ep~ember 9, 1968. ~. MOISA= Do you.have a letter from the Greenport Water District? LBP~BRTS P. BDSON:~BSQ,: All water lines are in. TH~ 'cHAIRMAN: Bverythi~g seems to be i~ order/ Is there at,tone present who wishes to speak in opposition to this subdivision known as EaStern Shores, Section V? (There ~as no responseS) THE CHAL~4AN: Anyone wish to be heard in favor of this subdivision? ~. EDS(~{: Mr. Sturm an~ I appear on behalf of the Corporation and ask for f~nal approval of this map, T~B CHAIRMAN: I th%nk the chair will close this part of the hearing and there is another matter that the Board would like 4o dis- cuss with you an~ d~eantt pertain to this hearing as such, It does pertain ~o the highway specifications for this subdivision, _The highway superin~n~ent is not happy with highways that do n~ meet the present highway specificatlons. 'The Plannin~Board has not had a ohan~e to meet with the highway superintendent.. All highways will have ~o meet present highway specifications. There may be some exception for subdivisions in process of being, apgrovea- On this one we would have to check back and see when prelim~ approval was ~. S~: I have spoken ~o Mr. Dean and he has appreved this one area in comple~ion, or any future area on theother side d~ae u~der your new specifioationso~ This was put in under Mr, Dean's approval~ THB CHAIRMAN: Le2 me tell you the position we are in= We don~t wan~ ~o ge~ caught between the developer, and the Town Board, and · he H~/~hway superintendent. So tba~ if we are goin~ to_ accept these them all. As far as I am concerned, I don~t wa~t to be in the position of the T~mrn Board say'~zn9 ~s is fine_and we approve another one a month later and they won't accept it, Southold Town Plann~YBoard -3-- ~eptember 16, 1968 A len~h~ c~sous~on was held on how ~,~y subdiv£sions wo~d ~ve to ~et ~e n~ ~g~ay s~c~ica~o~ ~d just h~ ~is ~o~d No action was taken o~ Eastern Shores Section V, at th~s time. ~r. Joseph Stern, Or, lent, appeared b~fore the PIa~ning Board for a preliminary discus_sion for a m/nor s~bdiu~sion, The right c~ way would be 3B feet wide and this would be maintained by an association in the future.' He was advised that the Planning Board requires 50 foot roads even in minor subdivisions, It was pointed out that the roads leading to this minor subdivision were only 33 feet, however the new minor subdivision should have 5~ foot roads in the e~ent they should ever want to dedicate to the Town of Scuthold. A lenghty discussion was held on the width of tberoads, in this subdivision. The Chairman stated they are most concern with making the roads 50 feet uride where it could connect in the future. The Planning Board advised Mr. Stern to have a map drawn showingthe suggested, changes and submit it to the Board, Mr. Oulnn appeared be~o~e ~e-Plauning Boszd ia reference to the Lowe property, ~w Suffolk, He wishes to break up the property, The interior lots need access. Ail lots have more than ~O~000 square feet, Mr. Quinn was advised to have a survey made sho$ittng what he wishes to do and submit it to the Planning Board with the required fees Mr. An~e Petrucci appeared, before the Planni~ Board with plan for' a subdivisin located on Sound Avenue, Southeld. Property coated near the old Labor Camp property on Sound Avenue. There is approximately 8 acres of l~-nd and the Subdivision plan showed 14 lots with a 100 foot tuxnazound, On motion by Mr. Unkelbach, seconded by Mr . Wic~ham, i~ was RESOLVED that tentative approval be given to the subdivision p lan of Angelo Pe~ruoci, for a subdivision iocatedon ~ Sound Avenue, Southold. Vote of the Board: Ayes.-- Mr. Wickham~ Mr. Moisa, Mr. Unk~baok, Mr. Grebe, Mr~ Cosu%e. A plan for a subdi~ s~ to ~ know~a as Jackson's L~_.ndin9 was submitted. This included approximately 17 1/2 acres. It was qnestioned as to whether or not lots 17 and 15 could be excluded from the subdivision and sol~ separately, There is a house and barn on these lots, It was determimed that the residence c cold be sold by me,es and bounds. description, There was also a question as to whe~aer cznot lot no, i could be excluded from the subdivi sion and sold separately, It was Southold Town Plann~, Board -4- ~eptember 16~ 1968 deter=~ined that this could not be done, The house co%~ld be excluded from the subdivision but that is ali, Access to the waterfront was discussed. It was pointed cut that you can not have a change in ~irectimn of. the ro~d without changing the name. Park and playground area was discussed= It was determined that one lot was not ~ark and playground area ~o take care of 27 1OtSe Some discussion was held-o~ the Duvall property lo~ated at Orient, and George Ahiers property in Southo!d for dredging. It was TJae opinion of the Chairman that a committee from the Planning B~ard should disc uss this proposition with ~r, Ahlers. Mr. John Wickham presented an application to dradge a fresh water drain on his diked property. This is to take care of the salt l~de~ s$orm waters that drain off onto his propertye He sta ted there has been some crop loss as a result of this salt. This d~ed~ing is for agricultural purposes and not subdivision. This would be :2 1/2 feet deep. It was ~ete~%ned that all man-made car~ls come underthe juris~[iction of the Plannin~ Board. On motion by Y~,, Grebe, seconded by ~r.~ke!bach, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town-Plannin9 Board accept the petition a~.d_approve for John' Wickh= to dredge and deepen fresh water dra~n to drain highway salt laden waters off the land as recommended by the Suffolk County Soil and Water Conservation in letter ~ated 3/8/68 and as submitted to the Southol~ Town Board of Trustees. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Mr. Moisa~ Mr, Grebe~ Hz, Unkelbach, Coyle. Mr. Wickham abstained from any participation in this action. A revised plan for Shorecrest was presented to the Board. The revised map was dated September 6= 1968, There was no objectic~.to the reVise~ plan. The highways mus~ be approved bF the Superintend~t of highways o On motion by M~. Grebe, seconded bF Mr. Coyle= it was RESOLVED that t~ntative appoval be ~i~en to the subdivision to be known as~Shorecrest~ owned ~nd developed by Valentine Ruch, located at So~thold, New York~ Vote of the Boar~: Ayes:- Mr. Wickham= Mr~ Mc[ sa, Mr. Unkelbach, Mr. Gr_ebe, Mr. Coyle~ Southold Town pl~n~i~FBoard -5- ~ptember 16, 1968 A :m~p ~or a z~nor subc~visio~ ~o = ~osep~ ~=~to ~s ~ ~ted Sept~er 3, 1968. ~ca~i~ ~ pro~rty is eas~ si~ Little Neck ~ad. There ~e fo~ lots ~ the pro~rty. Not ~1 ~e ~=000 s~re f~ ~ ~ motion b~ Mr. Moisa~ secoaded by ~. ~e~ i~ was ~LVED ~ pxelim{na~ approv~ be ~iv~ to the ~or s~bdivis~ ~p ~ Jose~ ~bato= ~p ~ted Sep~e~ S, I968. V0~e ~ ~he B~d: Ayes:5~ssrs:Wi~m.= Moisa, Grebe, C~Ie A subdivision plan for Mm~y Zeneski, Little Neck Road, Bast Cutchogue was presented. The lots shownwere not large enough. A le~gh%7 discussion w~s held on the revision ~f the plan presen~d. No fur~he~ac~ion was taken. On motimn by Hr. Co¥1e~ seconded by Hr. Grebe~ it was RESOLVED that the map of Frank Abrams be approved as submitted and dated..Au~ust 8, 1968. Vote of the Board: Awes: Hr. wioPJ~m, Hr. Moisa, Mr, Unkelbach, Mr. Grebe~ Hr. On motion by Fire Moisa, seconded by Hr, Unkelbach, it was RESOLVED that final approval be given to the minor subdivision map of_Ernest G, Radfor~, map dated August 7~ 1968, Vote cf the Board: Ayes:- M~-..WiaWham, Hr. Moisa~ Mr. Unklebach~ Mr. ~rebe~ M~. C~le. An application was received to dredge ~Dd bulkhead in Pipes Neck byWestburyBquipement Co. The Plan~ing Board disapproves the application. The Planning Boar~ is not prepared'to approve any man made canals or dredging, without very careful study and wi~hou~ recommendation from the soil a~%dwa%er conservationist. On motion b~ Mr. Grebe,-seconded by ~ir. Unkelbach, it was RESOLVED that the'minu~esaf the Southold-Town Plarming Board da~ed Aug~s~..12~ 1968~ be approved as s~bmitted, _ Southold ToYa~ Planni~aoard -6- [ September 16, 1988 The ~ollo~ing ie~ter was read: "August ~8, 1968, The Planning Boaxd, Town af Southold, Southotd, New YOrk. ,,Gentlemen: In regard to each facet of work on all subdivisions, the Building Inspector will have to be advised at least two daFs previously, in order that he maw contact ~ Tova~ Engineer ~ so he can be present at the staZt of each new phase of wozk, namely (1) after roggh 9radin~ is finished, (2) At the b~3i~Lng of first application of oil on road, (S) Befoz~e curbing is installed, (4) Before final coat is applied~ with Blue stone. "Very truly yours, /s/ RaYmond C. Dean, S~ptt of Highways" On motion by ~ Grebe, seconded by F~e Moisa~ and carried, the fellahin9 budget was adopted foz the fiscal year begir~ning January 1969: EXPENSES: Stationary, postage, printing Advertising legal ~otices Telephone - Chairman & Office Assooiati~ Of Towns M~g -N~Y. & Planning Assoc, Mtg, Office Equipment Transportation (F~I ~ member ) oar exp~nse ~ $.10 mile Members renumberation: Chairm~n others: 4 ~ 13~OeO0 (Plus raises as agreed upon bF the CSEA) 300,00 450,00 175, 00 120.00 900. O0 100.00 1500.00 SZO0,O0 $914-5,00 Revenue: Estimated income from Subdivision applications: $1600,00. October 14, 1968, at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold~ New York, The meetin9 was adjourmed at 11;20 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Barbara C. Ditt~a~n, Secretary , CHAIRMAN