HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-10/04/1960Southold Town Planning Board
-qDUTHOLD, L. I., N.Y.
PLANNING BOARD
M EMBERS
John Wickham, Chairman
Henry Molsa
Alfred ,~rebe
Archibald Young
"~,'il lia m U nl:elbach
SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD
October 4~ 1960
A regular meeting of the Southold T~wn Planning Board
was held 7':30 P.M.. Tuesday~ October 4~ 1960~ at ~_he To~n
Clerk Office, ~ain Road, Southold~ New York.
There were present: Messrs. Joh~ W±ckb~m. Chairman,
Henry Moj sa, Alfred Grebe, Archibald Young, and William
Unkelbacb.
Also present= Mr. Otto W. Van Tuyl, Consultant.
~. James A. Hewlett, representing Mr~ Wal~er~hl of
New Yo~k~ ap~are~ be~e ~e P~n~g ~ to d~c~ss ~e
a~ep~ce of ~e r~ ~ Section 1
On September 14 ~r. Ifnl corresponded with the Chairman
requesting ~bat an inspection be mad~ of the comp!~ted roads
and sections of roads within Section ix Orient, By--The--Sea.
orient Point since they are now ready to dedicate the roa~s
to the TowR'of Sout/%ol~. However. before preparing the nec~
essary instrument they wished to know whether or not the-Town
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would accept such dedication. The roads n~med wer~ Plum .Lane,
Parkview Lane, Three Waters Lane and Soun~vtew Road.
Upon receipt of the abovementioned letter a copy was forwarded
to the Superintendent of High~ays~ Harold Price, referring the
matter to him. His reply, dated September 28~ 1960, was that the
Town of Southold will not accept roads as Town highways on water
front property which do not terminate at the water. Upon inspection
of the roads, after the last rain, he found that all t~ins were
fall and running over and the Town is not .sat~ fled with the tk%sins
t~king care of the roads adequately.
Mr. Uhl sent a reply to Mr. Price~s l~tter on September 30th
to the Planning Board Chairman stating that he does not understand
one ~aragraph. He- was of the opinion the matter of a road terminating
at the water wo~td be resolved upon the filing of Section 2 Of
Orient--By-The, Sea which would provide for a road terminating at
the water and such a prelim~ry plat was approved by the Planning
Board on August 22.~ 1960. On the matter of the road basins over--
flowing, NLr, Uhl recalled that there had been unusually severe rain
storms with 4 inches of rain within 24. hours. However a few days
later he inspected the drains and found they were draining satis-
factorily and also ~_here had been no washouts or road repairs
necessary.
bit. Van ~Tuyl ,stated That he had spoken 'with Haruld Price and
~r. Price had ~dVi~ed that the constr~c~ion of the Toads in section
1 were very go~od ~nd if they ~ollowed t%~at //% SectiOn ~ ~t will be
~ry go~ How~ver~ he di~ ~ot ~ ~e ~ai~ Wo~ ~ ~ade~te.
~sre are two ~as~s~ o~ at ~ch si~e of ~e e~ce r~ to
Orient~by~~a Whi~ were s~ppossd to ~e ~re of ~e flow
so ~at' it w~I not go on ~ ~ State r~d.. ~. p~ice ~dicated
~ ~. ~m Tuyl ~at if he had so~ ~in~ of sta~t from ~e
~n s~t~d ~ ~ not su~ ~at ~e ~wn w411 ao~pt ~edicati~ ~of
~e r~ ~ ~c~on 1 wi~oUt an ir~lad agree~mt ~t ~e
It 4~ the opinion of the Planning Board that~ Mr. Uhl has three
alternatives which are as follows: (I~) ~lve a performance boned for
that section of road to the behach which lies in Section 2. (This
would have to hawe the approval of the Town At~Or~ey~) ~x(2.) Either
~.his fall or next spring construct that section of Soun~view Avenue
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in Section 2 which runs to the Sound and dedicate that part ho
the ToWn. (3.) File the map of Section 2 and at that time take
out a performance bond on some oft he highways. (~hat will also
require approval of the Town Attorney.)
The Board forwarded a letter to Mr. Uhl confirming
proceedings of the meeting and citing ~he three alternatives.
It was suggested that Mr. ~hl consider these alternatives and
ind/cate which looks most realistic to himat this timeand if
he will let the Planning Board know his decision we will be glad
to pursue it further withMr. Price and the Town Attorney who in
the last analysis have to passon all dedications. It was s~ated
to Mr. ~althat there is nothing fixed aboutthe Planning Boamd~s
ideas on the matter .and it is entirely possible there maybe some
other combination or method by~hich the TownBoardcanbe assu~ed
that access to the water would be guaranteed.
Mr. Hewlett next discussed with the Planning Board e_he matter
of the Edwin H. ~King property at Orient Point. Mr. Hewlett had
forwar~ed'a letter to the Planning Board dated September 30. 1960
requesting a brief .statement t~ regard to the reasons for the
Boater'S disapproval of the layout and aSking if a different layout
might be acceptable or commercial zoning is possible. Mr. Hewlett
said ther. e were several 'thoughts for the use of the property~ such
as a motel site. or property for houses, or dredging a safe canal
for the use of the property owaers at Orient--By~The--Sea~
Mr~ Hewlett was advised by the Board that after an investiga-
tion by the Planning Bo~ard'*s te~un it was ~elt this is a piece of
~pertywhich~ if someone ~ants to develop, either the ~ral
~overnment or'State Park CommisSion will immediately'.s~ep in and
say it-cannot be done. ~t certainly is not-a choice residential
location. It was suggested that Er. Hewlett get in touch with the-
federal g~vernment and State Park Commission before making any
further plans.
The P~annlng"Board received the original petition of~illiam
A. DaVis from the Town Board instructing the PlanningBoar~d to
prepare an official report defining the conditions d~ibed in
the ~e%~ition and determine the ,area so e~f~c~ed with,:.the ~comm~n--
daCRon of the B~ard. ~Lr. Davis requests a ~hange of ~one from "A"
Residential and AgricUltural District to"E" Multiple ~esidence
District on the following described property: Located at the
southwest corner of Fourth Street and~iain Street~ New Suffolk.
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New ~ork: Beginning at the, northeasterly corner of land of the
applicant on the southerly 1/ne of ~iain~ Street and westerly line
of Fourth Street, and running thence along the westerly line of
F~ur~h Street S~5°00~W. 151~97 feet to the northeasterly corner
of land now or formerly of Acker; thence N. 85°42~30"Wo 100.0
feet to ~-be southeasterly corner of land now o2 foz~erly of
Roac~e~ thence N.S°00~E. 152_03 ~ feet to. the southerly l~e of
Main Street; thence S.85°40~30'~E. i0O~0 feet along the so~rtherly
line of Main Street to the~ point or plac~ ~f beginning,
As his reason for ~q~eSting this change of zone ~Lr. Davis
states that the property is already ~-n use as a boarding house
with a two family cottage~ He woul~ like to change the property
as follows: leave the two family cottage as iS. ~et rid of
restaurant type kitchen and dining r~om~ Put in new bathrooms
an~d kit~henette unit~ to m~ke efficiency apartments with quarters
for my own family. The third floor is to be closed off at this
time which has beton used as a dormitory, They ~eel it is a fire
hazard and should not be used until fire escape or some other
arrangements can he~ made.
Mr. Young and Mr. ~nkelbach volunteered to investigate the
property and make a re~ort at the next meeting,
The ~larm~ug Board received an Infommation Bulletin from
the Conservation Department and State ~ouncil of P~rks of t~h~e
State of New York relative to the $75~000~000 Park and Recreation
Land Acquisition Bond Act. This bulletin was ordered filado
The Planning Board received a letter from the T~wn of
Riverhead Planning Board transmitting a copy ~f a resolution
passed hy them relative to the proposed Long Island Expressway
Extension,
Mr. ~alter ~uce~ Cutchog~e, NeW York~ appeare~ before .the
Planning ~oar~ ~d p~nted a ~p of pr~~ he ~es~es, ~o
~e a~a he is ~es~ ~
de~'lo~g at ~e present ~e is ~utl~ed ~ ~red ~d ~ted
Oc~ber 4~ 1960 on ~p by Otto W~ Van Tuyl a Son. ~ere w~l
~e a to%al of 9 lots~ two front~g on ~y A~ue. EaCh lot W~
eonta~ in ~xCess of.20~000 sq, ft. and a 50 ~t~ roa~, ~ ~
of ~y A~nue, '~ 50 ft. r~d already has ~o ~ats of eil
and ~ Lu~ a~ed he iotends ~ deVet~p it fur~er a~ ~i~te
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October 4~ 1960
After further discussion, on motion of Mr. ~oisa, seconded
Mr~ ~r~-~e~ and carried~ it
RESOLVED 'that ttie Planning BOard gi~e Walter Luce preliminary
appro~al of his plan containing n/ne lots located an t~e east side
of~ Bay AVenue, Cutchogue~ NeW York. Area marked in red on map
dated October 4, 1960 by Otto W. Van Tuyl & Son.
Vote of the BOard~ Ayes:-- bit. W~ Fir. Moisa~ Mr.
Grebe~ Mr. Young, and ~nkelbach.
the Planning Board received a letter from ~ Town Clerk
transmitting the original petition of ~he Jr- Order ~nited
American Me~hanics~ Mattituck Council 34~ ~a~tituck~ New York~
and inspecting the Planning Board. to prepare an official report
defining the conditions described in the petition and determine
~he area-so af£eeted with the reco~endation of the Board. This
petition re~uests a change of Zone from "A" Resident~ ~d A~ri--
~tural Distri=t to "B" Business DiStrict on certain real property
situated at Ma~tituck~ New York, and more p~ticularly beunded and
described as foli~ws:
Parcel I. Northerly by the hig~way~ easterly by the burying
grou'nd~ southerly by land formerly owned by the First~e%-hodist
Episcopal church o~E F~ttituc2~ westerly by land now o~ formerly
owned by Hazard ~ng fifty feet mo~e or less in front
and rear de~p~ and being the same premises .conVeyed
to The First Hetho~ist Episcopal Church of Mat~ituck by de~d
recorde~[i~ :th.e Office of, the Clerk of Suf~olk~ C~unty in Liber 78
of dee~ page 3.30 and also in Liber 456 of d~s~s at page 393.
P~rc~l /~. ~ort~erly by land formemly o~ned by tke
of ~a~i~uck 54 fee~ ~ ~e
~F 29~ 1897 and ~ordea ~ ~e Office ~of saidCo~ty ~le~
L~r 4S8 of ~e~ at page 239 ~n June 1, 1897 berg pa~ of ~e
s~ p~emises ~.nveyed to ~e Bro~kl~ ~um~ Society of
of Suffolk L~er 955 ~ ~eds page 560 on
day of-~t~r ~917 referred to ~ said de~d ~ Par=el t
~cel 2.
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The reason this chan~e of z~e from "A" Residential and
AgTicultural District to "B" ~usiness District is requested
is to use the premises as a summer theatre.
After further discussion. -on motion of ~. G~ebe.
seconded by Mr. Young. and carried~ it was
Pd~SOL~ED that t~e ~outhold Town Planning B~a~d recommend
to the Southold Town Board that this change of zoner rom "A"
~esid~ntial and Agricultural District to "B" Business District
be made on the aforementioned property. Survey for Mattituck
Council No. '34 Junior Order of United American Mec~ics~ Mattituck,
New York, Town of Southold. Suffolk County~ by ~Alden W. ~oung~ dated
~ecember 7~ 1953.
The planning Board believes that the- cultural value of such
a project would be of considerable ~lue to the- Town of So~thold~
and although there is not adequate parking~ at the same time. we
feel the streets are wider than normal and they accome<late the
members of the two churches without difficulty,
Vote of the Board= Ayes=- Mr. Wickham. Mr. Moisa. Mr.
~rebe. Mr. -foung~ and Mr. ~nkelbach.
The Planning Board received a letter from the Town Clerk
transn~tting ~- original petition of~ank Pumi!lo~ Cutchogue,
New York, asking for a change of zonefrom "A" Resiclentisl and
Agricultural District to "~" Business DiStrict on certain real
property situated at Mattituck. New-fork~ and more particularly
bounded and' describe~ aS follows:
Beginning on the boundary line d~viding said. Premises~ and
land of Skuro ~00 feet s~utherly from the mo~ument~ o~ the south-
erly. side of Main Road ma~ing the b~un~lry line between said
la=ds~ running thence southerly alonq said land of Skuro and
along lan~ ~ow or formerly of Abi~z 24~.,32 feet. t~ a~ monument
and l~nd .Of. She~ell~ running thence in an
along said land of Shewell 266.3 fe~t to a monu~t and land
of Biliunas; running thence in a n~r~herly direction along said
land of Shewell 75~0 feet to a munument and ~ ~f Jacks.on;
running thence westerly, along said land~ of Jackson 79.8 feet to
a northerly along said land ~ Jackson.
Beinenger. and other land of Pumillo ~85.9
less; running thence in a westerly direction 225.44 feet to the
point or place of beginning.
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In his petition bit. Pumillo stated that the southerly
part of his ~r~pperty which he is asking zoned "A" is an irregularly
shaped parcel with which he can do nothing under an "AK ReS~ntial
Zone. It is impossible to subdivide or put one residence ~.on due to
the nor~herly p~rt being zoned "B" and since it has no frontage on
any roadway. If permission is granted to rezone, to "B" Business it
is his int~ntion to erect an attractive motel which will not only
improve the location but be a needed asset to the village.
After a thorough discussion, on motion of Mr~ ~oisa~ seconded
by Fir. ~nkelbach, and carried~ it was
RESOLVED, that the Planning Board does n~t recommend the
change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural DiStrict
to "B" Business District as shown on map of property made for
Frank Pumillo at Mattituck, New York~ compiled from 'several
surveys july 28~ 1959 by'~tto W. Van Tuyi & SoD_
The Planning Board does not believe it is in the best
interest ~f the ;;T~wn ~f Sou'thol~d to have a motel in connection
wi-th a bar ~und grill. In addition~ this Would be out of
character with the existing immediate adjacent reside~tiai
area.
~o~e of the Board: Ayes=- 14r. Wickahm~ ~ir. Moisa~ ~ro
Grebe. ~r. ~oung~ and ~r. Unkelbach.
Each member of t~e Planning Board received a copy of minutes
s~bmltted ~y HOWar.d Terry. Building-!nspector~ of the meeting of
all highway superintendents, supez-~isors~ town p!annin~[ boardS~
Mr. H. L. Bishop~ Commissioner~ D.P.W. and all members of County
Planning Bomrd on Augu~c 22~ 1960, at the County Center~ RiVerhead.
The purpose of the abovementioned meeting was called by
County Executive H. Lee Dennison to consist higAway matters.
The, minutes of the meeting of September 6~ 1960~ on motion
of ~r~ Grebe~ se~o nded by Mr. Young~ and ~arried~ were approved
as submitted-
Vote of-~h~ Boar~d~ Ayes:-- Mr. Wick/~am. Mr. moisa~ Mr.
Grebe. Young~ and Mr. ~nkeIbach.
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Mr. Terl~f referred to the. Planning B oard~ for their
pe~asal, a copy of the "Detailed Proposal for the Preparation
of a Comprehensive Plaa for the Town of Southold," prepared by
Edwin S. wFoorhis & Sor~ Inc~, Consulting Engineers and City
Planners~ 243 Main S~reet, Huntington, dated September. 19~ 1960.
blt. Van Tuyl pres-ented to the Plann.ing Board the preliminary
plat .ofFordham Acres which r~ceivedpreliminary approval on
September 6, 1968. He stated t~at ~Lr. Raynor who owns the
property south of Fordham Acres would like to ~extend Gull Pond
Lane into his pzoperty to jointhe road to the .south known as
Anglers Road which extends to M~hanset Avenue to the south.
Raynor intends in the future to develop his property iRto lots.
The question posed ~y ~LT. Preston is whether the Planning
B~rd will req~aire the 100 ft. to the water to be de~icated to
the Town as it is shown on the preliminary plan of Forctham~Acres
if that loop road is est~ablished~ The Planning Board expressed
the opin/~n that they would not insist that they have the road
there- It was stressed however~ that Mr, van Tuyl a~vise
Preston that the Planning Board is going to insist that the roads.
be dedicated to the Town of Southold and advise that it he taken
up with the Town Board, but feel it would not be necessary for
the Planning Board's approval of the s~Ddiv~ion as such.
The next meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board will
be held 7:30 P~F~. Tuesday~ November 1~ 1960. at the Town Clerk
Office, F~ain R~ad~. Southol.d~ New York.
Meeting adjourned at
Respectfully submitted~
Judith T. Boken~ Secretary
~ohn Wickham, Chairman