Loading...
HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-11/23/1970Southold Town Planmng Board SOUTHOLD, L. I., N. Y. 11971 PLANNING BOARD M EM BERS John Wickham, Chal~'rnan Henry Meisa Alfred Greb~e Henry Ray,er Frank Coyle MINUTES SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD November 23, 1970 A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was held at 7:30 P.M., Monday, November 23, 1970, at the Town-Office, Main Road, Southold, New York. THERE WERE PRESENT: Messrs: John Wickham, Chairman; Henry Moisa, Vice-Chairman; Henry Raynor; Frank Coyle; Alfred Grebe. Also present: Lawrence Tuthill, Construction Engineer, Howard Terry, Building Inspector. Richard Cron, Esq. presented the Planning Board with final maps for "Leeward Acres", proposed subdivision to be located ~t Bayview, Southold, New York. The Chairman stated that all they have is prelim'inary approval, and he informed him that after a subsequent review by the Planning Board several problems have been disclosed. The park and playground area is large enough, but part of it is under water, the Board doesn't accept park Southold Town Plant g Board -2- November 23, 197~ and playground area which is under water. The Chairman stated the Board's opinion that some of the lots are too long and too narrow, and that this is not good planning. Also, the block along North Bayview Road is too long. The Chairman informed the developer, Mr. Torn, that he simply does not meet the requirements. Mr. Cron stated that when they submitted this map for preliminary approval it was unanimously granted, and he questioned why preliminary approval was granted if the map does not meet the requirements. The Chairman informed him that preliminary approval is primarily an approval of the road lay-out only. The Chairman told him that the map does not meet the requirements of the Planning Board and that the engineer knows our requirements and should have known better. Mr. Cron questioned again what the next step should have been after preliminary approval if not to prepare the final maps. The Chairman stated that the surveyor was in error by preparing these final maps because they do not meet the requirements. Mr. Born said that he felt that the park and playground area could be enlarged without creating too much of a problem. The Chairman agreed and also stated that a cross walk could be located on the North Bayview Rgad block with relatively few problems. The Chairman stated that they have met the Board of Health requirements and obtained their approval and with some minor adjustments they can meet the r~quirements of the Planning Board. The Chairman informed them that it will be discussed later in the evening and they can inquire at the office tomorrow of the exact requirements which must be met by them. Mr. Born questioned whether or not he could keep the same road lay-out because the roads have already been cut through. The Chairman told him that the roads could be kept basically the same. Mr. Cron questioned again the next step to be taken after preliminary approval is granted. The Chairman informed him again that preliminary approval is only an approval of the road lay-out and the park and playground area, The Chairman recalled that the Planning Board had gone out of their way to support their prior map which they sub- mitted by transmitting it to the Health Dept. with a letter of kecommendation stating that they should accept thismap. They in- formed them that the Planning Board engineer had mad~ extenuating studies of the drainage, 'etc. The Chairman stated t~at~he was per- sonally ~ery upset~when ~they ~ not accept their map. The~Cha~rman requested the de~eloper to give the Board another w~sk~ to go over the map and ~ry to make a ~t~%%~i~'n~on~ as to what the Board feels should be done. There W~ll be some requirement on North Bayview Road. Mr~ Cron .stated that in his opil Planning Board is at fault and that a burden should not be placed on the applicant to change the map too intensively. Henry Raynor asked Mr. Born's opinion of the lay-out of the map. Mr. Born stated that he felt that it was an extremely poor lay-out, but it was the only one that was economically feasible after the new Board of Health ruling f~r one acre lot. Southold Town Plann ~ Board -3- November 23, 1970 Mr. Born stated that he felt that the map which he had prepared for cluster development greatly excelled the present one. The Chairman asked Mr. Born to present the Board with a copy of the map which was prepared for cluster development. Mr. Born said that he would see that the Board received a copy. The Chairman asked Mr. Born if he would allow the Board to transmit this plan for cluster development to the Health Dept. for him, providing that it meets with the Planning Board's approval. Mr. Born said that he would. This matter to be discussed later in the evening. ~ary Olsen, Esq. presented the Planning Board with revised final maps for the subdivision of Martin Weglicki located at N/S Peconic Bay Blvd., Laurel, New York. The Chairman informed Mr. Olsen that the map meets all of the requirements as stated by the Planning Board at the public hearing, but that he has since spoken with the Town Board who suggested that the reserved sections in the ends of the c~ssroad be deeded to the lot owners. If the adjoining properties are ever developed the circle will have to be taken out of the road to facilitate road maintenance. The Board advised him to have the required amount of revised maps ready to present at the next meeting. Mr. Gottlieb Nickles appeared before the Planning Board in reference to minor subdivision of Ollie Overton (J.T. Overton Estate) located at N/S Soundview Avenue, E/S Horton Lane, and north and south side of Major's Path, Southold, New York. The Chairman advised Mr. Nickles that the Board has looked the map over and finds that lots 1 & 3 are too small. The Board suggested that he revise the lot lines of Lot %'s 2 & 4 to give the undersize lots more area. The map shows 5 lots~ The Chairman penciled in new lot lines by reducing the area of lot ~ 4 to add to the other lots. Mr. Nickles advised the Board that t0t $~'1 is under contract to be sold, so the lot lines of this lot will not be able to be changed. Henry Raynor suggested that the revised map show the names of all the surrounding property owners. The Board questiOned Mr. Nicktes as to whether or not the developer owns any other property in the area. Mr~ Nickles said that he does but it will not be developed for quite some time because of a boundary dispute with an adjoining property owner. The Chairman advised him that any future subdivision of land will require more than 20,000 sq. ft. of area in each lot. This matter to be taken up later in the evening, and Mr. Nickles will be notified tomorrow of their decision. Southold Town Plan~ ~g Board -4- -~ovember 23, 1970 David Horton & others appeared before the Planning Board in reference to their proposed subdivision to be known as "Peconic Homes, inc. at Mattituck." Larry Tuthill presented .the Planning Board with estimate for performance bond in the amount of $9,000. The developers stated that most of the rough~work has been completed (bond estimate was prepared accordingly.) David Horton presented the Board with maps showing drainage plans, stc. Discussion was had about drainage for the turn around at the south end of the road. Mr. Horton advised the Board that the Mattituck Fire Dept. has approached him to request a possible well site on the right- of-way at the south end of the property. The Chairman stated that the Planning Board would have no opposition tc this but they must know the e~act location of'where they propose to put it. If it is not located at the north end of the right-of-way then the right-of- way will have to be paved up to the well site. Recommendations for the drainage on the turn around at the south end of the road will be discussed by the Board later this evening. The Planning Board was presented with final maps for the proposed minor subdivision of Alfred E. Dart, property located at east side of Main Bayview Road, Southold, N.Y. Formal application, Fee, and letter of intent have been submitted by the applicant. On motion by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board table decision on the above matter until later in the evening. Vote of the Board: Ayes:Messrs:- Wickham, Moisa, Grebe, Coyle, Raynor. Request Mas received from Joseph P. Snellenb~r9, Esq. for authorization to prepare final maps for the subdivision of Andrew Dzenkowski. The Chairman read letter of apprOval from the Health Dept. dated October 24 1970, received by Mr. Snellenburg. On motion by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board table decision on the above matter until later in the evening. Vote of the Board: Ayes:-Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor, Coyle, Grebe. Southold Town Plan~ g Board -5- November 23, 1970 Lawrence Tuthill P.E. presented the Planning Board with re~sed estimate for performance bond in the amount of $3,600. for the completion of roads and other improvements in the subd&vision "Calves Neck", located at Southold, N.Y., owned by George Ahlers & another. On motion by Fir. Moisa seconded by Mr. Wickham 'it , , was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board table decision on the above matter until later in the evening. Vote of the Board:Ayes:-Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor, Coyle, Grebe. The Chairman read recommendation submitted by Larry Tuthill an reference to the drainage in "Sunset Knolls, Sec. II". This matter to be discussed later an the evening. In reference to "Bennett's Pond", subdivision located at Mattituck, Richard Lark, Esq. informed the Board that he had no knowledge of the variance obtained by the developer from the Board of Appeals for a reduction in setback on lot ~ 5. The developer Mr. John T. Reeves made the ~pplication and represented himself at the variance hearing. Richard Lark, Esq., ~uis F. Simeone, & Joseph T. Macari appeared before the Planning Board to request an ext~nBion of time on the preliminary maps ~f the subdivisions "Mattituck ~idge" and ~"Mattituck Hills."I Dick Lark informed the Board that he has spoken with the New York State Water Resources Commission and the Health Dept. who advised him that it will take several months to go through all the necessary hearings to obtain their approval. He advised the Board that the Health Dept. is requiring public water Only, not sewerage. At the last meeting the Planning Board suggestedthat the developers appear before them to discuss their plans for the water system/ The Chairman explained to them that the installation of the equipment for the water system will be cheap, it is the year after year main- tenence that will he,so costly. Mr. Macari stated that he realizes the cost of maintenence and operation and that it will present no problems. The Chairman stated that the Boar~r~ust be sure that they know what they are getting into before they grant an extension. Mr. Southold Town Plan~ lg Board -6- vem~r 23, 1970 Simeone stated that they realize that it would be impossible for an average businessman to operate such a project at a p~ofit, their intentions are to declare it as a tax loss. The Chairman informed them that the Board would like them to present figures on the projected cost of maintenance and operation. A question was raised on the size of the pipe to be used. Mr. Simeone stated that 6" pipe will be used on which fire hydrants can be hooked into. The Board advised Mr. Lark that if an extension was granted, the estimate for the performance bond will have to'be revised. On motion by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Wickham, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board table decision on the above matter until later in the evening. Vote of the Board: Ayes:-Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor, Coyle, Grebe. In reference to the proposed subdivision "Wheatfield Park" located at Griffing Street, Cutchogue, N.Y., Mr. Lark informed the Board th~ the owners Nicholas & Frank Mandaro have withdrawm their application because they were unable to secure a bond for the completion of the roads and other improvements. Dick Lark informed the Board that he has a client interested in developing the property for a senior citizens development with modular homes. This use would require a change of zone. The Chairman stated that the shape of the property will present problems and suggested that he look into the possible purchase of the adjoining property in order to widen the parcel. Howard Terry informed the Board that they are now receiving copies of reports of inspection on the construction of subdivision roads ~rom Chas. Abrahams, Construction Inspector. The Planning Board was informed that Robert Tanker, Town Attorney received a letter from the Glen Falls Insurance Comuany stating that they have in their possession a letter authorizing them to release Frank Zaleski of his obligation on the roads in "Deep Hole Creek Estates" It was suggested that the Town Attorney request them to send him a copy of this letter of authorization which they say they received. · ~ Southold Town Plan~ ~g Board -7- November 23, 1970 On motion by Mr. Grebe, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that the ~ext regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board be held at 7:30 P.M., Monday, December 14, 1970, at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York. Vote of the Board: Ayes:-Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor, Coyle, Grebe. The Board ~iscussed again the revised estimate for performance bond, as presented by Lawrence Tuthill, in the amount of $3,600, for the completion of roads and other improvements in the subdivision "Calves Neck", located at Southold, N.Y. owned by George Ahlers & another. The Board was advised that the bulkheading has commenced but has not yet been completed. On motion by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board table recommendation on the above matter until such time as the bulkheading is completed. Vote of the Board: Ayes:-Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor, Coyle, Grebe. On motion by Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board authorize Andrew Dzenkowski to have final maps made up and signed by the Health Dept. for his proposed subdivision located at E/S Rocky Point Road, East Marion, New York, as shown on revised preliminary map dated July 14, 1970, by Otto Van Tuyl. Vote of the Board: Ayes:-Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor, Coyle, Grebe. $outhold Town Planning Board -8- November 23, 1970 The preceding motion shall include authorization for a letter to be sent to ~oseph P. Snellenburg, Attorney a/c Andrew Dzenkowski, advising him as such. On motion by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant final approval to the minor subdivision of Alfred E. Dart0 property located at east side of Main Bayview Road, Southold, New York. The Chairman signed maps. Vote o~ the Boazd: Ayes:-Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor~ Coyle0 Grebe. The Board discussed again the proposed subdivision of David Horton & others, "'Peconic Homes, Inc. at Mattituck". It was decided that they be allowed to put in 2 leaching basins at the south end of the road on the turn-around at the s/W corner on the low spot and all°w them to run the surplus down the slope into the drainage ease- ment. Estimate for performance bond in the amount bf $90000. was discussed by the Board again° On motion by Mr. Grebe, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board recommend to the Southold Town Board~ a performance bond in the amount of $9~000., as prepared by Lawrence Tuthill, Construction Engineer, for the completion of roads and other improvements in the subdivision to be known as "Peconic Homes, Inc. at Mattituck"~ located at south side of Main Road, Mattituck~ New York, owned and developedby David Horton & others. Vote of the Board: Ayes:-Messrs: Wickham, Moisa~ Raynor0 Coyle, Grebe. On motion by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant final approval to the minor Subdivision of O~lie Overton (J.T. Overton Estate) property located at N/S Soundview Avenue~ E/S Horton Lanes and north and south side of Major's Path, Southold~ New York~ subject to present- ation of 3 copies of final map to be revised as penciled in by the Southold Town Planning Board -9- November 23, 1970 Chairman, and fee of $50.00. Vote of the Board: Ayes:-Messrs: Wickham, Moisa~ Raynor, Coyle, Grebe. On motion by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was RESOLVED that the Southotd Town Planning Board grant a one year extension of time on the preliminary maps of proposed subdivisions "Mattituck Ridge"~ located at N/S Bergen Avenue, Mattituck, .N.Y.,owned by Louis F. Simeone~ and "Mattituck Hills", located at N/S Bergen Avenue, Mattituck, N.Y.~ owned by Joseph T. Macari, subject to discussion with the Town Attorney as to whether or not such an extension would remain effective after the proposed amendments to the Zoning Ordinance are adopted, and if the Planning Board has thc right to grant such an extension. Vote of the Board: Ayes:-Messrs: Moisa, Coyle, Grebe. Opposed: Mr. Henry Raynor Chairman John Wickham abstained from voting. On motion by Mr. Grebes seconded by Mr.. Moisa~ it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board set the following requirements for the subdivision to be known as "Leeward Acres", located at S/S North Road to Bayview, & E/S Jacob's Lane, Southold~ New York: 1. The 100ft. turn-around at east end of "Leeward Drive" must be labeled as "reserved for possible future dedication to the Town of Southold, for a distance of 25ft. on each side, or full 100ft. by. 100ft. as shown on map. 2. Park & playground area must be enlarged to contain 3 acres of up land. 3. A walk-way must be established on the block along North Bayview Road between lots 10 & 11, and 35 & 36, to be 10ft. in width, paved 5 ft. 4. A drainage pond not be established at this time~ and the entire park and playground area be left in its natural state. 5. A 10ft. strip along the east side of Jacob's Lane to be reserved for possible future dedication to the Town of Southold. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Wickham~ Moisa, Coyle, Grebe. Southold Town Planning Board '10- November 23, 1970 Mr. Henry Raynor abstained from voting. On motion by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board authorize Howard Terrya Building Inspector to s~_~ a letter to the Suffolk County Sewer Agency inquiring whether or not they transmitted authority to the Health Dept. to pass on sewerage requirements for subdivisions in the Town ~f Southold. Vote of the Board~ Ayes:-Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor., Coylea Grebe. The Planning Board discussed the proposed amendments to the Zoning Ordinance as revised and corrected by the Town Attorney. On motion by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Boardrecommend to the Southold Town Board the adoption of the proposed amendments to the Zoning Ordinance (including control of yard sales) as revised and corrected by the Town Attorney. ~ote of the Board:Ayes:-Messrs: Wickham~ Moisa~ Raynor, Coyle, Grebe. The Planning Board was presented with the proposed new zoning map for their inspection and comments. On motion by'Mr. Coyle~ seconded by Mr. Grebe~ it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town-Planning Board recommend to the Southold Town Board the adoption of the proposed new zoning map as prepared on the 800ft. to the inch scale map. Vote of the Board: Ayes:-Messrs: Wickham0 Moisa0 RaynoraCoyle, Grebe. Southold Town Planning Board -11- November 23, 1970 The Planning Board was presented with the revised Master Plan Map for their inspection and comments. On motion by Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mro Raynor, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board recommend to the Southold Town Board the adoption of the revised~aster Plan Map as prepared on the 800ft. to the inch scale map. ~ Vote of the Board: Ayes:-Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor, Coyle~ Grebe. Howard Terry reported that the maps have been delivered to the Nassau-Suffolk Blueprint Company and will be available for the engineer to work on in about a week, and they should be ready for presentation to the Town Board in 2 or 3 weeks. The meeting was adjourned at 12:15P. M. ~u~n Wickham0 Chairman Respectfully submitted, eville ~ Secretary Southold Town Planning Board