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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-09/04/1973Southold Town Planning Board SOUTHOLD~ L. I., N. Y. 119'71 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS John Wlokham, Chairman Henry Me,sa Alfred Grebe Henry Raynor Frank Coyle MINUTES SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD September 4, 1973 A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was held at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, September 4, 1973, at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York. There were present: Messrs: John Wickham, Chairman; Henry Moisa, Vice Chairman; Henry Raynor; Frank S. Coyle; Alfred Grebe. Mr. Leo Kwasneski and Gary Olsen, Esq. appeared before the Board in regard to Sleepy Hollow Subdivision. Mr. Olsen said they would like to have it come up for a preliminary hearing. Mr. Wickham read letter received from Robert A. Villa, P.E., as follows: "We have checked our files regarding test hole data and test well results for Proposed Map of Sleepy Hollow. Our review indicates that Health Department standards can be met for all lots within this tract, and the map will be processed for approval just as soon as a complete submission is forwarded to this office". Mr. Wickham also read letter from Mr. Raymond C. Dean, Superintendent of Highways, as follows: "I have inspected the map and approve the layout of the proposed road(s) at SLEEPY HOLLOW, Southold, New York. A preliminary Profile was not included with the Prelimi nary Subdivision Plan." Mr. Raynor asked if they had any objection to a restriction on building below the 5 foot contour. Mr. Kwasneski said that will probably be in our Deed restrictions. We will make the restrictions as the Town requires. Wherever we can, we will go to the extremes on so many feet from the property line; and we would also go along with restrictions similar to what Yennecott has had. Southold Town Planning Board -2- September 4, 1973 Mr. Wickham said that Lot No. 11 is the one that has the shortest distance to the 5 foot contour, and this is just 110 feet.., you would still have 60 feet. Mr. Olsen asked if it would be alright if they put it in their covenants and restrictions. Mr. Raynor said that we don't want to box you into a position where you have to go to the Board of Appeals. We just wanted to know if you would go along with it. Mr. Kwasneski said the best description of where Sleepy Hollow is, is "off Main Bayview Road". Utilities are in close to the entrance. Mr. Olsen said the main entrance would be coming off Grissom Lane. Mr. Kwasneski and the Board studied the map and discussed a right of way. MrrrKwasneski said that it is included only as a right of way if necessary. Mr. Wickham said that the whole thing has to be covered in your bonding and you will not get a bond release unless you do it. Mr. Olsen said that if there are no other problems, we will submit it for a preliminary hearing. On motion of Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that the Planning Board set September 18, 1973, at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place of hearing for Sleepy Hollow Subdivision. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Raynor, Moisa, Coyle, Grebe, Wickham. Gary Olsen, Esq. came before the Board in regard to Robert Casola Minor Subdivision. The Board studied the map, and Mr. Moisa said "there's a meadow in here, we will want contours" Mr. Wickham stated that we want to tie it up airtight so it can't be resubdivided. Mr. Raynor suggested that Mr. 0~1~' get "contours". Gary Olsen, Esq. told the Board that Walter Luce asked him to come b~foze the Board as he, Mr. Luce, is not well. Ols~n said that we are talking about six lots. Mr. Moisa said that it involves a major subdivision. Mr. Raynor said that it probably would involve road construction both easu and west. (There was a discussion as to whether Mr. Luce wanted a major or minor subdivision). Mr. Coyle said that if they keep selling off these lots, they eliminate the chance of a major. Mr. Olsen said "let's assume that he wants to use thiS layout as a major subdivision"~ Mr. Wickham said that would be satisfactory with the Board. Mr. Olsen said he haS a 25 foot right of way, and Mr. Wickham replied that it has to be 50 feet. Mr. Otsen asked Southold Town Planning Board -3- September 4, 1973 if the Board would require park and playground area. Mr. Wic~ham responded that that would be no problem as he has plenty of low ground. Mr. Olsen asked if they shouTd make a new map. Mr. Wickham said "Let me suggest something different. Sooner or later this property to the north is going to be developed. If you ran it up this way (referring to map) and put two lots in here you would have a shorter distance, and you would still get your lots. Mr. Olsen asked if there would be problems with length and width. Mr. Raynor said (referring to map) that they could pick up 25 feet down there plus the other width. Mr. Wickham said that there are six lots and he can make seven lots. Mr. Olsen said that he would send it back to Van Tuyt but said there was a possibility that they might just want to make four lots. Mr~ Wickham said that we won't accept it because they have gone th&t route once on the same piece of property. Mr. Wickham sketched in an idea for Mr. Olsen and suggested that he see Van Tuyl. Mr. Edward J. Bage, P.E., was present at the meeting. Mr. Wickham read letter dated September 4, 1973, addressed to Mr. Raymond C. Dean, Superintendent of Highways, with copy to Southold Town Planning Board, as follows: "On September 1st in response to your request for me to inspect the grading of the road in Town Harbor Terrace, Southold, to ascertain that no water would drain from these roads onto Town Harbor Lane, I did perform this inspection and found a problem. The approved map for this subdivision shows no drainaqe and the developer~'s agent, Mr. Joseph Hoey, informed me that h~ must install Curbing as per instructions from the Town Board Highway Committee~ In order to prevent drainage, onto T own Harbor Lane under these conditions, Thomas Street would ~have to be graded to an elevation considerably lower than Town Harbor Lane. I brought this matter to.Mr. Hoey's attention and he agreed to prov~delthe following drainage: 2 ca, ch basins at entrance to Hoey Lane;~2 catch basins at entrance to Daly Lane; 1 catch basin at junction of Daly Lane and Thomas Street; 1 catch basin on Hoey Lane in front of lot 93. The test holes show sand and gravel from the - 1.0' elevation down; therefore, the above mentioned drainage should be adequate. On September 4th I met with Mr. Thomas Da!y and Mr. Irving ~atham at Town Harbor Terrace. Mr. Latham will proceed immediately with the installation of the catch basins because the installation of curbing will begin today." Southold Town Planning Board -4- September 4, 1973 Mr. Bage asked if the Board had any objections. Mr. Wickham replied that sometimes we are subject to the wishes of the Highway Committee and the Superintendent of Highways. Mr. Raynor asked if construction was beginning today; and Mr. Bage said that curbs are going in. They are going to use the curb- forming machine. Mr. Wickham said the real problem is getting this on the approved list, and it's up to the Town Board. If they say "yes", we will say "yes". Make sure that Ray Dean forwards a copy to the Town Highway Committee. They have to give their approval. It takes Town Board action to put it on the approved list. Richard Lark, Esq. came before the Board in regard to Vermaelin subdivision. He said that this is a sketch plan; I ~ave not made formal application. We need a variance and it involves subdivision of land. Mr~ Lark said he did not know whether to apply to the Board of Appeals or to the Planning Board to get approval subject to the Appeals Board. As you can see from the sketch plan there is a house and buildings on one of the proposed lots. There are very few places in ~hat area of Bay Avenue in~Mattituck that conform to the 150 foot road frontage. Mr. Wickham said that we can not give approval for undersized lots. Mr~ Raynor stated that the Board of Appeals denies until some agreement is made with the Planning Board. Mr. Lark said that they have practical difficulties with the proposed lot being more than. an acre. I think the Planning Board should be involved and that's why I submitted a sketch plan. Mr. Wickham said there is one reasonable way out of this and that's to put the road in here (referring to map), and to increase your frontage. You can p~t a ~pur road in from Bay Avenue. You don'~t have to put the road in very far, just far enoughkto get your frontage. Mr. Alden Young of YOung & Young said that this property was left to four people .and they want to split it. I thought~a variance could be obtained. Mr. Wickham said that they won't give you a variance on four lots. There is no reason why~ou could not get a variance on one lot. ~r~ Young said y®u could have a 50 foot right Of way but it would !~6t have to be Town Highway.. (Mr. Young and the Board discussed the map). Mr. Wickham said, referring to map, this garage should have side yard clearance. I~ you put in a spur road you.woUld have no problem with your ~a~ Another way to do it iS'to put it on a cluster basis. 40,~800 Sq. ft. would be approved immediately. You would have to go for a variance on the house with ~arage. The lot width is measured either at the building line or the setback line. Mr. Raynor said he understood that ~here is some interest on the part of the Town as to drainage area. There is going to be some question as to whether this is a natural water course. Mr. Young asked if he was suggesting that the Town would condemn Lot No. 4. Mr. Raynor said that it ?~ght be worth Counsel's time to investigate. Southold Town Planning Board -5- September 4, 1973 Mr. Wickham said that we would want to see contours on this, too. We just told a .chap that we would not allow anything lower than a 5 foot contour, 5 fe~et above sea level. Mr. Young said that the high'est in Riuerhead has been 8.9 above Sandy Hook. There was a further discussion on sea level, what the average has been in tides. Mr. Wickham asked what else you can do but use an assumed elevation. I am askinq you for information as we are in trouble right now in Orient. We don't have room for catch basins, the surveyor was way off. When you put on contours, what are they keyed to? Mr. Young said that most everywhere they are keyed to "assumed". Mr. Wickham said that when you get down to within 4 feet of water there are problems. Mr. Young said that he would insist that there be Health Department approval. It takes the burden off you. Mr. Wickham said "We want contours, and we have no alternative but to make the frontage 150 feet". Redraw the map and bring it in at our next meeting. Mr. Lark said "So, we would have to get a variance on that one lot. We would have tentative approval". Mr. Wickham said that the Planning BOard would write a letter to the Appeals Board~ Mr. Raynor said that he would recommend that they get a variance on Lot No. 4. Mr. Lark said they would want to keep it to one variance. The Board, Mr. Lark and Mr. Young discussed the map further. Mr. Raynor said "This is still a sketch plan; speak to the Superintendent of Highways because there is a drainage problem there" Richard Larkf Esq., and Mr. Alden Young, Young & Young, came before the Board in regard to Bruce Norris, for subdivi- sion "Momo Weta" Estates. Mr. Wickham read the letter of transferral from the Town Clerk; letter as follows from Mr. Howard Terry, Building Inspector: "Attached please find receipt for base fees (no 4% of bond fee) ~175, for application of Wickham & Lark, Attorneys, A/C Bruce Norris, f~r Subdivision "Momo Weta Estates", North and South of New Suffolk Avenue, Mattituck. A quick glance at the map shows all lots d~fi~ient on area and/or frontage. This Subdivision apparently ties in with a pending change of zone application for property on westerly sid~ of this Subdivision where they intend to put in condominiums". Mr. Lark said a change of zone application was made to the Town Board which they have referred to the Planning Board for their recommendation on Parcel 1 and Parcel 2. The reason for asking for Parcel 2 in the application to be zoned Light Multiple is to take care of what the' Town Attorney wants. A sewage treatment plant would be used. We are faced with a contour p~oblem, as to where to locate it. Exhibit No. 4 is protective covenants and restrictions which would be put on Parcel No. 2. Parcel No. 2 would only be utilized for use in residential and sewage treatment plant, and that's how that ties into the cluster subdivision plan which is being made to the Planning Board. Southold Town Planning Board -6- September 4, 1973 This portion, even though it's requested that the land zoning be changed, would be co~e~anted and would not be multiple use. It's ~ ' ' · accessory use for condominium area. Norris will still retain 15 acres in his estate which will remain as is. That explains the two parcels and the Town Attorney wanted them contiguous. Referring to the map, Mr. Lark said that this 10 acres is not being included for density; the density is on this area of 27.63 acres. It is proposed to have 123 units. On the subdivision application we have 24.5 acres. We did not figure in park and playground area. They are computed on what is left. The reason why the road bends is that Norris' property line extends out on a skew there, and this is the entranceway. This would not be on a filed map. This would be going back to his Estate.~ Referring to map, Mr. ~ark said this area would be park and playground on Maratooka. This is comprised of 21 lots. Mr.. Raynor asked if the nature area was going to be improved. Mr. Lark answered "No", it could be considered open space on the clustering. The reason why this was selected was that it would be a minimum of expense to hook it in. Mr. Raynor asked Mr. Lark to explain the criteria he used to establish major subdivision density. Mr. Lark said that although clustering allows you to have mo~e lo~s, Mr. Norris wanted the lots to be more substantial. A figure was settled on. Mr. Wickham said that the two maps don't jibe. Mr. Lark said that you can put "A" use in "M" zone with covenants. Mr. Young said that it includes the nature area and the planting area. Mr. Wickham pointed out that some of this m~jor sub= division is, in fact, on p~operty for which you are applying for an "M''~ zone. Mr. Lark replied that if the map gets filed as it is, there would only be six buildable lots on it. The main reason for this ~is that the sewage treatment plant has to be in the same use district, and the Town Attorney wants it contiguous, so this i.s the reason it's laid out in this fashion. Mr. Young said that each one has a garage. Mr~ Lark said that it's contemplated Ghat the roads would remain private; it has a two car garage concept, Tke units range from 982 sq. ft. to 1~620 sq. ftc, and it does not include the garage area. Essentially, three quarters of the units are single bedroom dwellings and the remaining are two bedroom. There would be four units under a common roof. There are 33 buildings, with 132 unitS. Mr. Wickham said that it would take some time for the Board to look the material over. Michael Weinstein, Esq. came before the Board on a Minor Subdivision. Mr. Weinstein said that he didn't have his survey yet but it's on North Bayview Avenue on the south side, with sligktly over 600 feet of frontage on North Bayview Avenue. Mr. Weinstein had sketches which he showed to the Board. The property is slightly under 7 acres, 6.9 acres, to yield four lots. Mr. Wickham said that the Board would want to see a survey Showing adjoining property owners. Basically, if you meet the requirements for a minor subdivision, 150 front foot and Southold Town Planning Board -7- September 4, 1973 40,000 sq. ft., you are alright unless it is the feeling of the Planning Board that there must be some provision for the development of the land behind. You might have to provide access. We would suggest you bring a map in. Mr. Alexander Fusaro, Arthur DeRosa and Vincent Curto came before the Board in regard to C.P.F. Land Corporation "Blue Horizons". Mr. Wickham read letter sent by Mr. Howard Terry, Building Inspector, to The St. Paul Companies, New York City Service Center, 160 ~Water Street, New York City Re: Bond 431BD 2809, as follows: "C.P.F. Land Corp. has abandoned Section I of Blue Horizons Subdivision. They are in the process of filing an entire new map. N~ bond has been set as of now. Kindly contact the Southold Town Planning Board regarding this matter". The Board discussed the Van Tuyl map of May 18, 1973. ~Mr.. Wickham said that we had discussed running the road~a little bit further to the east to get away from the low spot, and that has been done. we are going to need 12 copies of the map and 12 profiles. You have to have test holes dug. Mr. Fusaro stated that they want to get this filed as soon as we can. We have been paying for eight years on this small subdivision. How long will it take? Mr. Wickham sa~d that after the maps come to.us we have to send some maps to the County, to the Town Highway SUperintendent, and t~ the Town Engineer to ha~e him Pre,are a bond estimate. We have to have the director's and stockholders of the C.P.F. Corporation. We~have a letter from the Highway Superintendent dated March 23, 1972 but this is on an Older map. I suggest you have the Highway Superintendent send another letter on ~he new map. Mr. Raynor suggested tkat Wken they redraw they should label what sections they want to do. You only have to put a bond up for the sections you want to develop. You are going in now for the whole thing, so I would suggest you get a letter from the Board of Health covering the whole thing. When we get the maps, a letter from the Superintendent of Highways, and a report from the Department of Health, we will get back to you. In answer to a question about bonding, Mr. Wickham said that bonds are usually set about one third higher than the cost of doing it. Richard Cron, Esq. came before the Board with a map of property drawn by Van Tuyl ~for Joshua Fierer & Stanley Cohen. Mr. Raynor asked about the topography. Mr. Cron said it is pretty level. This is a Grigonis piece, lands of Antone and Estelle Grigonzs. Mr. Wickham said we require covenants and instruments saying that these lots will not be resubdivided. Aside from that I don't see any problem. Mr. Cron said he would supply the Board with maps. Southold Town Planning Board September 4, 1973 Richard Cron, Esq. brought in a preliminary map for subdivision of property for Albert E. Cinelli and Carl G. Hornwood at Orient. Mr. Cron said he did not represent these people at the time of the transaction and did not know how long they have owned it. Mr. Raynor suggested that Mr. Cron leave the maps and members of the Board would go to see the property. Mr. Wickham stated that the Board would want profiles of the roads. Richard Cron, Esq. and the Planning Board discussed the preliminary subdivision map for E. W. and H. W. Wilsberg to be known as Orient Point, Southold. Mr. Wickham said that the Planning Board is at a loss to know how Mr. Cron wishes to proceed. You gave us to understand that you might be presenting two applications for the same property, two alternative ones. We don't want to accept this or come to the point of official filing unless you are sure that this is the one that you want to do. There are some people who think that this would be a better layout for the end of Orient Point because the density would be so much lower. Mr~ Cron said it might be true from that point of view but he didn't think that there would be tremendous land use. If I thought there was a chance to do it the other way, then I would do it that way. Mr. Raynor suggested that the matter be held in abeyance. Mr. Wickham said that as the situation stands now, you are not officially applying. You will have to withdraw the first plan before we will work on the second. Mr. Cron said that if the Board takes a negative view and the County takes a negative view, I won't know what to do. I have two partners that I have to consult. It's a question of how much money it will cost to bring it to a final conclusion. I will get back to you soon. Mr. Philip Babcock came before the BOard in the matter of ~ Subdivision. Mr. Wickham read' letter received f~ ~dent of Highways dated ~ugust 31, 1973, appr. ~ Mr. Babcock's proposal of ha~ng the overflow of ware drain into the proposed Recreation area, south a sump that is to be erected. He also said that he would approve of the overflow of water off Case's Lane Extension, east of Lot 19, into a sump to be erected in the Recreation area. Mr. Wickham said that there was another thing tkat came up yesterday that I think I should ~apprise you of. In a subdivision when topsoil ms removed, or sand, or gravel, this requires a permit from the Town Board. This means that you should apply to the Southold Town Board for a permit to Southold Town Planning Board -9- September 4, 1973 remove topsoil from your subdivision which has received preliminary approval from the Town Planning Board. I have talked to Supervisor Martocchia about this, and there will be no problem. We should have told you. We have been told that it is the province of the To~ Board. We are planning to have our engineer check on the swale situation using the sections that Charles Barnett sent us. We feel this is for your protection as well as ours. There is no real problem but we don'!t want you, or he, or ourselves, to get too far off base. You may feel free to call in Mr. Barnett, or we will. Mr. Wickham said that we don't, as yet, have a letter from the Highway Committee. Mr. Babcock commented on the great amount of s~ale that comes in. Mr. Wickham said that we will have to ha~e clearance from the County Planning Commission. The next step is to officially apply for final approval to the Town Clerk and we will set a hearing. The County Planning Commission's review usually runs six weeks. They only meet once a mon~. Mr. Babcock asked why we did not do this when we went to the Environmental Agency. Mr. Wickham said that we did not perform all the steps so it has to be resubmitted. We can, perhaps; set a final hearing subject to approval of the County ~lanning Commission. Mr. Babcock said they have the opportunity of ~handling two or three contracts and~ have people wanting to see the place. We would not want to leave that ~and open (that would take us to November), it should b~ seeded. (There was a discussion regarding a contract which is out for Long Island~ Lighting as to whether they would hold the contract). Mr. Wickham, said that they don't have to wait for final approval to do any of the necessary things with the exception of selling the lots. We have already instructed our engineer to make a study and to prepare bond estimates. When we have his estimate, we will report to the Town Board what we think the bond should be. They have to approve the amount. We can hold the final hearing but the maps can not be signed until we receive word that the Town Board has received the bond. In the meantime you can do everything ~xcept sell lots. Mr. Babcock asked who he should write to at the Town Board can expect the engineer to be very much upset if any of the excavation exceeds the amount of what is shown on the proposed preliminary". Mr. Babcock said that the proposed part was purely guesswork and it might be a slightly different location. As it goes alonq it takes less material. Mr. Wickham referred to a conversation he had had with Mr. BarnStt regarding ponds. He said his understanding was that these were ponds which would be Southold Town Planning Board -10- September 4, 1973 created at a later date, specifically for drainage purposes. Mr. Babcock said that Mr. Barnett is suggesting that you cup a certain amount of land so the wa~er could run out and recharge; you would not have to disfigure the property. There is enough land and it's in addition to a pond that Russ proposed earlier. Mr. Wickham read the observations and suggestions contained in Mr. Charles Barnett's letter of July 31, 1973, as follows: "1. The proposal that Lot No. 10 be held for two years as a possible location for a recharge basin has some distinct drawbacks and should be reconsidered. Among other things it is a location which would disfigure the subdivision and it is not located so as to be a convenient collecting point for runoff water for most of the subdivision. 2. There are two potential recharge basin locations just east of lots 17 and 20. These sites appear to have adequate size to accomodate two pond recharge basins each having a surface area of 3/4 of an acre. Normally it would require about 1.5 acres of area for each such pond-recharge basin. In3the unlikely event that the recharged swales proposed are not fully satisfactory, the two mentioned pond-recharge basins sites could be designed to store up to a total of 5 acre feet of runoff water which I believe would be more than adequate to meet any future need. 3. I would further suggest that if the pond recharge basins are constructed that they be designed with gradual side slopes both above and below their water line, so that the ponds will not require fencing, and so that they will have the appearance and configuration of natural ponds. My recommendation is, therefore, that if land must be set aside for future runoff water storage capacity, that such storage be provided above the surface of two artificially created permanent ponds, each of about 3/4 of an acre. The ponds can be designed to provide successful fishing, serve aesthetic purposes, and provide ample emergency water storage if that should be needed. No chain-link fencing of these ponds should be necessary". Mr. Babcock referred to the map and said that he wanted to make clear for the record that' these ponds are future business "when and if", and are not the two ponds shown. I think he is thinking of an ex- tension of that; this design could be wrapped around that. Mr. Wickham said that it needs to go into the record. In other Words (referring to map) "This is going to be the location of the ponds that are being built now. I think you should be careful that they not exceed the size that is specified here, and that you are able to Slope th~m as Mr. Barnett suggested. We will accept his recom- mendation.'' Mr. Russell Case said that it will slope nicely. In the meantime in order to keep the salt water from coming in .... what we are taking out we are putting on a dike that is already there. It will be lower than it appears to be now. The ponds that he is talking about are the ones that are on that. Mr. Babcock said that he would get a permit. We have a pretty tight schedule. M~. Wickham said that the only thing you can't do is to sell lots until you get final approval. (There was a further discussion on bonding procedure). Mr. Wickham said that sometimes instead of doing business with a bonding company, the Town Board will accept a passbook on a savings account. Southold Town Planning Board -11- September 4, 1973 The Board discussed request for a change of zone on property of Albert W. Albertson. Mr. Wickham said that it was his understanding that they are asking for "C" zone on 2.71 acres and leaving out a 40 foot buffer strip next to Willow Point Subdivision. On motion by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board ~hall act on the mauter of a change of zone for Albert W. Albertson at another meeting. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Moisa, Raynor, Wickham, Coyle, Grebe. Mr. Wickham read letter dated August 17, 1973, addressed to Mr. John Wickham, Chairman, Southold Town Planning Board, which was received from Mr. Albert W. Richmond, Town Clerk, as follows: "The Southold Town Board has received notification from Gary Flanner Olsen, Esq. on behalf of Edward Gillis, requesting that his application for a change of zone be changed from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "B-l" General Business Zone, rather than "C" Industrial as indicated on the original application. You are instructed to prepare an official report defining the conditions described in the petition and determine the area so affected with the recommendation of your Board." On a motion of Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the amended application of Edward Gillis requesting a change of zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural District to "B-i" General Business Zone. The Chairman shall prepare an official report. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Moisa, Raynor, Grebe, Coyle, Wickham. In a discussion with Mr. Ed Bage and Mr. Lawrence Tuthill, Town Engineers, Mr. Wickham suggested that an engineer should be on hand to inspect Fairway Farms as they are moving out a lot of dirt. It's not the Planning Board's business to say who should do it but on the job inspection would be helpful. Mr. Wickham asked who handled bond estimates. Mr. Tuthill said that he did, and Mr. Bage said he does a lot of field work. Mr. Wickham said that he had talked to the Supervisor and told Southold Town Planning Board -12- September 4, 1973 him that he, Mr. Wickham, felt it was very important to 'have this on the job inspecti6n done. Mr. Bage said hE was perfectly amenable to doing inspections for the end product to comply with Town specifications but I don't think the Town should get involved with design for drainage. That should be the bailiwick of the Consulting Engineers office. Mr. Wickham said this was done by the Soil and Water Conservation DiStrict. Young and Young are engineers, and they are consultants. Mr. Bage asked who is responsible when the swales freeze up in the winter time. Mr. Wickham said this is a pilot project. We think it will work. It's Mr. Barnett's design. Young & Young is doing the engineering work for it. However, we need somebody to check to make sure that the swales go down to the sand and gravel. I am concerned with drainage and unless it's really cut down, those swales are not going to work. YOu will be given copies of Mr. Barnett's letters concerning swales. Larry ~Tuthill will do the bonding; Ed Bage will do the interim inspection. I think Ed Bage should be in touch with Mr. Barnett. Mr. Bage asked if he should do this on the Planning.Board's authority, and Mr. Wickham said "yes", that he had called the Supervisor today, and~Mr. Martocchia said that Mr. Bage could do it any way he wants to. Mr. Tuthill said it would be double the price to use asphalt, and that Ray Dean said he would go along with blacktop wi~h no curbs and gutters. The proposed budget for the fiscal year beginning January 1, 1974, was discussed and is as follows: EXPENDITURES: Stationery, postage and printing Advertising of legal notices Telephone Association of Towns Meeting - New York and Annual Planning Institute Office Equipment Transportation (Fishers Island Member) Car Expense @ 12¢ per mile Members Remuneration: Members* Chairman + $12,500 1,000 $ 500.00 1,50.0.00 250.00 500.00 120.00 1,200.00 250.00 13,500.00 $17,820.00 * Members will sign insurance waiver if required. REVENUES: Estimated Income (Based on 4% of Bonds - Expect one subdivision to yield $12,000 on 4% of Bonds) Dated: September 4, 1973 Respectfully submitted, John Wickham, Chairman $12,000.00 $12,000.00 Southold Town Planning Board -13- September 4, 1973 On motion by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was RESOLVED that the proposed budget for the fiscal year beginning January 1, I9~4, as p~epared above, be approved. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Moisa, Raynor, Coyle, Grebe, Wickham. On motio~n by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOL~ that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the change of lot li~e of Lots 9203 and 9204, Old Cove Road and Wunneweta on Nassau 'Point, Jane Widmayer, 333 West 57 Street, New York, N. Y. (owner). Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Moisa, Coyle, Raynor, Grebe, Wickham. On motion by Mr. Coyte, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that the next regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board will be held September 18, 1973, at 7:30 P.M., Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Raynor, Moisa, Coyle, Grebe, Wickham. The meeting was adjourned at 11:15 P.M. J~Yhn Wickham, Chairman Respectfully submitted, Marjorie McDermott, Secretary Southold Town Planning Board