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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-10/04/1973Southold Town Planning Board SOUTHOLD, L. I., N. Y. 11971 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS John Wickham, Chairman Henry Mo,Isa Alfred.. Grebe Henry Raynor Frank Coyle MINUTES SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD October 4, 1973 A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was held at 7:30 P.M., Thursday, October 4, 1973, at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York. There were present: Messrs: Henry Moisa, Vice Chairman; Henry Raynor, Frank Coyle, Alfred Grebe. Absent: John Wickham, Chairman. Also present: Mrs. Lorraine Terry; Mrs. Jean Tiedke; Mrs. Ronnie Wacker, Suffolk Times. MR~ HENRY MOISA, Vice Chairman: I will call the hearing to order for preliminary approval of map of property known as ~ebbie Beach Realty Subdivision located at East Marion, New York. Mr. Henry Raynor read the legal notice of hearing, as follows: NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that puksuant to Section 276 of the Town Law, public hearings will be held by the South0td Town Planning Board at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York, in said Town on the 4th day of October, 1973, at 7:30 o'clock in the evening of said daY, on the question of the preliminary approval of the following plat: Southold Town Planning Board -2- October 4, 1973 Plat of property owned by Pebble Beach Realty, Inc., entitled Pebble Beach R~alty Subdivision, consisting of a parcel of land situated at East Marion, in the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York, and bounded and described as follows: BEGINNING at a point on the northerly side of Main (State) Road adjoining the southeast corner of land of Rutkowski Estate; running thence northerly along the several lands of Rutkowski Estate, Village of Greenport, F.F. King the following courses and distances: (1) North 16° 25' 30" West 272.05 feet; (2) North 16° 40' 30" West 447.07 feet; (3) North 16° 23' 20" West 127.'47 feet; (4) North 15° 28' West 102.95 feet; (5) North 15° 29' 30" West 310.56 feet; (6) North 16° 16' West 260.73 feet; (7) North 16° 29' 20" West 295.93 feet; {8) North 16° 31' 30" ~st 266.33 feet; (9) North 16° 29' 10" West 167.12 feet; (i0) Sou~h .69° 47' 10" West 542.88 feet; (!1) North 21° 46' 00" west 692.~45 feet; (12) South 66° 28' 10" West 604.90feet; (13) North 23° 22' 40" West 1365 feet to the Long Island Sound; thence noztheasterly along the highwater mark of the Long Island Solund the following courses and distances: (1) North 38° 10' 40' EiaSt 406.74 feet; (2) North 52° 02' 40" East 317.06 feet; (3) Nort~ 590136' 00" East~34.78 feet; (4) North 38° 09' 30" East 623.16 feiet; (5) North 32° 44' 10" East 499.30 feet; (6) North 26° 50' 20" E~st 697.59 feet to land of Birten; thence southerly along sai!d ladd the following courses and distances: (1) South 15° 18' 10" East 300.0 feet; (2) South 13° 54' 10" East 816.76 feet; (3) South 13° 31' 30" East 436.67 feet; (4) So~uth 13° 26' 40" East.557.97 feet; (5) S-uth 12° 41~ 40" East 314.36 feet; (6) South 13° 40' 10" East 446.72 feet; (7) South 11° 47~ East 126.63 feet; (8) South 13° 00' 20" East 132.76 feet; (9) South 13o 01' 50" East 505.25 feet; (10) South 13° 56' 20" East 200.0 feet; (11) South 15° 39' 30" East 200.09 feet; (12) South 13° 36' 40" East 262.01 feet; (13) South 13° 56' 20" East 285.00 feet; (14) SoUth 12° 37' 40" East 153.04 feet; (15) South 15° 10'~East 213.04 feet; (16) South 16° 14' East 90.07 feet; (17) 2 " S-uth 16° 35' 0 East 239.60 feet; (18) South 72° 25' 10" West 144.42 feet; i(19) South 19° 47' 10" East 370.39 feet to the northerly side of Main Road, thence westerly along the northerly side of ~min ~Road the following courses and distances: (1) South 56° 13' 40".West 255.0 feet; (2) South 58° 06' 10" West 339.0 feet; (3) on a curve bearing to the right having a radius of 812 feet a distance of 120.86 feet to the southeast corner of land of Rutkowski Estate the point or place of BEGINNING. Mr. Raynor also read the affidavits of publiCation in the Long Island Traveler-Mattituck Watchman and the Suffolk~Times. Mr~ Raynor read letter received from Raymond C. Dean, Superintendent of Highways, as follows: Southold Town Planning Board -3- October 4, 1973 "I have inspected the plot plan and lot sketch layout of Pebble Beach Realty Subdivision, East Marion, New York, and approve of the road ends." Mr. Raynor also read letter received from the Suffolk County Department of Planning dated August 13, 1973, as follows: "Re: Preliminary Map of Pebble Beach Realty, East Marion Dear Mr. Wickham: In accordance with your request the staff of the department has considered the above captioned proposed subdivision. As brought out in the meeting with you and other members of the town planning board and the representatives of the developer, the following points require serious consideration. 1. Final arrangement of the storm water drainage system; particularly at the state highway. 2. Reconsideration of lot line arrangement in certain areas. 3. Providing continuity to the reserved (buffer) areas. 4. Certain road intersections will require redesign. 5. The alignment of the road parallel to the shoreline should be restudied and tied into the property lines at each end. 6. No storm water should be permitted to flow over the edge of the bluff and down its face. 7. Careful control of clearing and grading on shorefront~ lots should be exercised. RestriCtions should be placed upon lot owners of shore- front lo~s to prevent them from destroying the vegetation on the face of the bluff and from creating a multitide of paths and trails down the face of the bluff. 9. The setback from the bluff appears satisfactory. The staff feels that the proposed use of the cluster concept for this tract is commendable and will do much to preserve the amenities of the town as well as preserving open space for use of the future residents of the tract. Southold Town Planning Board -4- October 4, 1973 Of course you realize that the comments of staff given above and at the meeting are only advisory and in no way do they constitute a review. When this map is in the final stage of preparation, it should be referred to the Suffolk County Planning Commission for review pursuant to Section 1333 of the County Charter. Very truly yours, Lee E. Koppelman Director of Planning By Charles G. Lind Subdivision Review Section" MR. HENRY MOISA, Vice Ckairman: We will now open the hearing to anyone who wishes to speak in opposition to this subdivision. MRS. JEAN TIEDKE: What about questions, when are they heard? Where and what type of sewer treatment would it be? RUDOLPH BRUER, ESQ.: There will be a cesspool. This is based on a cluster concept. What you have here is that approximately 50% of the property is left over; meadows, buffer areas, beach area, bluff line. MRS. LORRAINE TERRY: What is the setback from the top of the bluff? MR. BRUER: 100 feet. MRS. TERRY: I think you answered me the last time we were here that 40 acres are presently being farmed and 50 acres are being left in open space. MR. BRUER: The map shows 72.76 acres of open space. It woul be a little more than that. This map is being subm many meetings with this Board, the County Planning Board, and many County officials, and is in conformity with the present cluster ordinance. This is a preliminary hearing. MR. RAYNOR: We have not as yet received word back from the County. MR. MOISA: Do you have test wells? Southold Town Planning Board -5- October 4, 1973 MR. BRUER: I believe it was felt that we had enough material for a preliminary hearing. MR. MOISA: tested. MR. BRUER: MR. MOISA: is concerned. MRS. TERRY: Water? MR. BRUER: We try to get developers to get the water It will be Greenport Water. There won't be any problems as far as water Does this property directly adjoin Greenport Yes. MRS. TIEDKE: I am curious as to why more of your open space is wooded land. This is a park for residents; it's not to be dedicated to the Town nor will the roads be dedicated to the Town. MR. RAYNOR: That is the option of the developer. LEFFERTS EDSON, ESQ.: It's not a part of this hearing. MR. ROBERT DeMARIA: I think what she is concerned with is the nature of the organization to maintain the roads and open space. LEFFERTS EDSON, ESQ.: It's spelled out in the Ordinance. MR. DeMARIA: Yes, it is spelled out in the Ordinance but I think we would be curious to know, in this project, what arrangements are being made. MR. BRUER: The Ordinance is specific as to what must be done in the case of private property. MR~ RAYNOR: If you are concerned with open space being kept open, the subdividor has agreed to declare and restrict covenants in perpetuity. MR. BRUER: If the concern is about maintenance of open space, whether or not that land would be included or released so it can be further divided~ the developer is responsible for developing, the mechanics for following up, and if he is not within the law, the Town has to turn him down. MR. MOISA: This will be brought up before a final hearing. It will be discussed before the Planning Board gives its final approval. Southold Town Planning Board -6- October 4, 1973 MRS. JEAN TIEDTKE: It is also possible at some future date that the Ordinance might be deck,red illegal. MR. BRUER: You are going beyond the Hcope of the hearing. MR. RAYNOR: If one section of our Ordinance is considered null and voi~, it does not declare the rest of the Ordinance illegal. MR. DeMARIA: I understand that there is a fairly extensive Countywide water study being made and I wonder whether any decision is going to be delayed until the County water study is made. It is being made because the area may become over- developed. It seems to me it might be premature to make a major decision before the study is completed. MR. RAYNOR: This plan of an overall study is a considerable length of time away. There is the question of legality as to how long you may hold something like this in abeyance. MRS. TIEDTKE: At one time there was some discussion about erosion. MR. RAYNOR: we had a special meeting with the Suffolk County Department of Planning on this, and a report from the Soil and Water Conservation District. MR. MOISA: I believe this has to be sent to the State Environmental Council in Stony Brook. Any parcel of land within 300 feet of any wetland has to have their approval. MRS. TIEDTKE: This park area, for your association, that's where the natural break in the bluff is. How big is that park area? MR. JOSEPH DONOVAN: It's somewhat a little over two acres; it!s closer to three. MRS. TIEDTKE: They are approximately half acre lots then. MR. DeMARIA: If the formula is correct, we take a total parcel and subtract 20% for roads. You have to subtract 33 acres from 166 and if you divide that by two, if some of them are larger then some of them have to be smaller. MR. RAYNOR: On the formula we have worked on, you would base it on 100 acres of property. MR. MOISA: Are there any more questions? I believe this has been gone over for a good long time. Southold Town Planning Board -7- October 4, 1973 MRS. TERRY: This County water study that is in process, it still on the drawing boards or have they started? MR. RAYNOR: They have started research but it is still a very tangible thing. MRS. TIEDTKE: Does the Town have its own water study? MR. RAYNOR: We have two very workable studies. MRS. TIEDTKE: Ail we have is east of Mattituck because the next water starts west and goes west. MRS. TERRY: It doesn't matter whether you are following it from and going to. MR. HENRY MOISA, Vice Chairman: We will now ask if anyone present wishes to speak in favor of this subdivision. RUDOLPH BRUER, ESQ.: I would like to speak in beowulf of the Pebble Beach Realty subdivision. Let me say very briefly that this map has been submitted after many conferences and meetings with various agents of the County. It's in accordance with many of the suggestions of many of the agencies of the County, and we think it is in accordance with the Ordinance and should be granted preliminary approval at this time. I thinkkit has been done with great thought. MR. DeMARIA: I would like to ask a question. Are there ways in which you think a project of this sort would be detrimental to this community? MR. BRUER: I don't think it is a germane question. I thinkkit is a very well thought out plan; it is in accordance with the Ordinance. MRS. TIEDTKE: The public is entitled to something too. MR. BRUER: It~is a brand new Ordinance with the public in mind and this conforms to it. MRS. TIEDTKE: What is your thought about the period of time in which it would be done? Would it be done in sections? MR. BRUER: It will not be done in a particular period of time. MR. OTTO. UHL: Are people going to buy a lot and build their own homes? MR. BRUER: Yes. Southold Town Planning Board -8- October 4, 1973 MR. HENRY MOISA, Vice Chairman: Does anyone else wish to speak? Hearing no answer, I will declare the hearing on Pebble Beach Realty Subdivision closed. MR. HENRY MOISA, Vice Chairman: I will call the meeting to order on the hearing for preliminary approval of map of property known as East Hill - Section I. Mr. Henry Raynor read the legal notice of hearing as follows: Plat of Property owned by John Pontino, entitled East Hill - Section I, consisting of a parcel of land situate, lying and being at Peconic, in the Town of Southold, County of~uffolk, and State of New York, bounded and described as follows: point on the of Indian Neck Lane where it ects with the line of Leslie's Road; runn~ng along the said line of Indian Neck Lane direction a of 1127.00 feet to land [y of Anton Kull in a southwesterly direction a 'distance of 420.01 feet; run~!ing thence along other land of John.Pontino on a course at right~ angles to the said southerly line of ~eslie!s Road a distan~ce of 170.00 feet; runnlng stiill along the said other land of John Pontino in a irection and para~lleli to the ~aid southerly line of LeS~ distance of 50%~010i f~et; running thence still along s~id ~ther land of John Pon%i~o in a northWesterly direction and lat rlight angles to the said! southerly line of Leslie's Roadia dils~ance 6f 365.00 feet t~ the said southerly line of Leslie's ~oad; running thenCe nor~keasterly along the said southerly line of Leslie's Road a dilstance of 985.00 feet to the point'~f intersection with the westerly line of Indian Neck Lane at the point or place of BEGINNING. ~uring the reading of the above legal notice an amendment was made correcting the distance of 1.127.00 fee~t to land now or ~fo'rmerty of knton Kui1 to read "827~00 feet" to land now or formerly of Anton Kull. Mr. Henry Raynor also read the proofs of publication in the Long Island Traveter-Mattituck Watchman and the Suffolk Times. Southold Town Planning Board -9- October 4, 1973 Mr. Raynor read letter received from the Superintendent of Highways, dated June 26, 1973, as follows: "I have inspected the Preliminary Subdivision Plan Map of John Pontino and disapprove. There is no drainage provlslon and a Preliminary Profile was not included." MR. RAYNOR: He disapproves of drainage provisions and a preliminary profile is not in his office. RUDOLPH BRUER, ESQ.: has nothing to do with it. that time. With respect to Section I it really There was no Section I and II at MR. HENRY MOISA: There will have to be a submission on Section I. MR. BRUER: At the time of the final hearing we will have Health Department approval stamped on the map. I understand that I will need a stamp from the Board of Health, and the approval Df the Superintendent of Highways. I Will be glad to make a copy of the Health Department report. MR. HENRY MOISA, Vice Chairman: Is there anyone present who wishes to speak against this proposed subdivision? (There was no response.) MR. MOISA: Is~there anyone who wishes to speak in favor of this proposed subdivision? MR. BRUER: I believe the purpose of preliminal approval is to have a map submitted in accordance with the Ordinance. I will submit the Health Department test tomorrow and in accordance with the talk we had at the last me~ting, we will number SeCtion II - 8, 9, 10, 11, etc. and there will be no further subdivision. We will submit a map to the Superin- tendent of Highways for his rec~m%mendations. MR. HENRY MOISA, Vice Chairman: I will now declare this hearing closed. Southold Town Planning Board -~0- October 4, 1973 Mr. Donald A. Denis, Mr. Alden ~oung, and William W. Esseks, Esq. came before the board in regard to Inlet East Estates at Mattituck. Mr~ Yo R. Barnett, District Conservationi of comments. In this particular c of Highways referred it to Charles the map, Mr? Young said there was over the recharge area and here is it. There is a revision. Mr. Ray is asking for a 24" riser. Mr. Yo drops down through a pipe in case have followed along with Mr. Barne last thing was sod area. This was was incorporated on this map. Mr. a map to the Superintendent of Hiq Esseks asked if the Board could se Mr. Coyle said that we~outd have preliminary hearing. Mr. Raynor s the initiative and said that they lng said that Mr. Charles ~t~, had sent a couple ~s.e the Superintendent Barnett. Referring to L ~rass area that came the way we had to change Lo~ said that Mr. Barnett lng said that the water olf large Storms. We ~t's suggestions. The ~evised; everything Esseks said that he sent w~ys the same day. Mr. up a preliminary hearing. 11 the papers in for a ~ggested that they take ire going to have to go through Stony Brook. Mr. Young asked why they should go through Stony Brook as they are not backing into wetlands. Mr. Raynor said that any subdivision within 3Q0 feet of wetlands Should be reviewed by this body. Mr. Ess~ks said that as soon as the Planning Board gets word from hr. Dean, the Superintendent o H~ghways, I hope that you w~ll ~ut us down for a public hearing. When could it be? Mr. Raynor said it would probably be close to a month. Mr. Esseks s~id that Mr. Dean has had the Plan for three or four weeks. Mr. Raynor said that if Mr. ~ean is happy with it, there iS no reason Why we can't go for a hearing. Mr. Raynor said that the Planning Board would need 12 copies of map showin~ proposed new drainage. Mr~ Moisa said that the Board has ~o have 12 copies~ the latest submission. Mr. Esseks said that he had sent 12 copies of everything. Mr. RaYnor said that We need details of drainage and profiles. Messrs: Richard Lark, Esq., C Young came before the Board in reg. Moma We~a subdivision. Mr. Lark applications before the Board; on~ subdivision, and the other is for change of zone. It was thought th. should be put in as opposed to jus zone. So, the residential subdivi lartes Price, and Alden ~rd~to~Bruce Norris ~aid there are two relates to cluster recommendation of ~t botk applications asking for multiple ~ion would be put on the balance of the property and the multiple would be on the 27 acre piece, plus the 10 acre piece which we have set aside for sewage. Basically, the|discussion tonight, will center around approval of change of zone and for tentative approval of the subdivision plat. Southold Town Planning Board -11- October 4, 1973 Mr. Raynor asked for an overall view of the Norris holdings. Mr. Lark, referring to map, pointed out New Suffolk Avenue and Maratooka Lake and said that east of the property is Mattituck Airport which is partially zoned Industrial although the airport, itself, is still "A" Residential. Where the hatch marks are is the bigger portion, 27 acres, that we are requesting be changed to "M" zoning and that is where the units you see here will be built. In regard to the 10 acre piece hooked to it, the Town Attorney has interpreted that since we have to put in a sewer treatment plant, it really is an accessory to multiple zone, and not residential zone. That explains this piece being proposed as "M" down here because 5 acres are being set aside for sewage. The balance is for residential subdivision. Mr. Norris willl retain approxi= mately 15 acres where he now has his housing complex which is a swimming pool, tennis courts, land other amenities. He is also retaining about 15 feet on the front of that. Are there any questions so far as to where it is and what is intended? 10.9 acres and 27.6 acres is the total acreage of multiple. It will work out to 132 units which is in conformity with the Zoning Ordinance. That figures out to a density of 4.6 units that is based only on the 27.6 acres. It would be less if you figured the 10 acre piece. On the residential subdivision which is exclusive of 5 acres for~s~wage, it computes out %0~214.5~aCre~. We used a formula t© co~ out with 21 units. Th~% fi~r~s out on an acreage basis .85 less than one uni~'p~r a~reli The 5 acres f~r ~wag~ ~as not computed in this ~ii~!th~i 4..i~. we would no~t~be asking for multiple except sa~s it is an accessory use for this.~ ~% would~ even d~ive the'dsnsityl.doWnilower ifyo~ >~added~e'.~ ac~eSi W~ did not beca Se in1%he cluster concept bothnth~ilp0rtio~s h~re will be~z ! . This will be a fil~d~ ~ap'and! it's ~eomputed to g , not by choice but by ~he legality of the sewage treatment section. We had a choics to make so 132 units was selected. It was n ed in the original study but the BOard of Health wants set aside for nothing but Sewage treatment~ After cons ' 'th Mr. NorriS we find i~ does provide an additional for his estate. Although 5 acres will be set aside !Y the center will be used for sewage. The res~ will be planters and drainage area. ~r. Young said that when you add the 100 feet from the beds and the 100 feet where the beds would be, you come up with 5 acres. Mr. Raynor aSked if there would be any question as to that 100 feet. Mr, Young said that 100 feet will be residential. Southold Town Planning Board -12- October 4, 1973 Referring to the map, Mr. Lark said that the little jog on the land on proposed "M" zone is where the proposed water site will go. Mr. Tasker wanted the zoning to be multiple. We carried that down. There will be a common entrance for "A" and "M". That explains why the line is drawn that way as you see it. The "M" zone, itself, is presented here witk the plans that you have and this was laid out with topography in mind, and it does conform to existing zoning. I also have a sketch plan of what the multiple units will look like. In the lower portion is the elevation and in the upper portion is the basic floor plan layout. Mr. Price has talked to the architect more than I have. To avoid monotony the cluster is inter- changeable. Mr. Raynor noted that the inner court has a wall. Mr. Price said that this is a low wall like an inner Court wall. It's a Japanese type garden. This is an Oregon architect, and they do have a lot of things tike that out there. Mr. Lark said the architect has the square footage labelled A through D. "A" has 982 sq. ftc; "B" has 1,458 sq. ft.; "C" has 1,007 sq. ft.; and "D" has 1,620 sq. ft. "D" has an extra bedroom. Two car garages are contemplated and that's another 1,400 sq. ft. In the condominiums they will be buying air space wkich will be living space and also a court yard. He.has not computed that in. He kept it separate. Mr~ Lefkowitz wants it separate. The air space you are buying would run from 1500 sq. ft~ to 2300 sq. ft. He did not show the garage in the living area. It will be a combination of concrete and wood. That is what they contemplate building there. He can vary these units to get different front facades. Mr. Young said you Will not have that straight barracks type look. In the central portion of the condominiums they contemplate to make club house, recreation, and pool. There is no access to the Bay. There is no right of waytto the Bay. This is a contained type situation. because that I have e~ tioh i~ thec depression forma- tin ~8. Mr. Raynor said that in regard to situation ~ou are running into. quite a area. Mr~ Young s~id this is going to be filled. Mr. Lark said that what Mr. Raynor is referring to is the: general flow from the street to the BaY but in this area there is~a pocket. Mr. Young repeated that it has to be filled. This drainage area is large enough based on formulas of 5" rainfall. If you want 6" we can arrange that. Southold Town Planning Board -13- October 4, 1973 Mr. Lark said that since there is a common roof li~e, one of the things they are contemplating is dry wells. It also allows for a private road concept because the drainage problem won't be as great if we can drain the roads and the driveways. (Referring to map) We have reserved this corner piece here for an additional building for maintenance, storage of lawn mowers, etc. There is some room here to construct a recharge basin. Mr. Lark pointed out on the map other locations for recharge basins. The pipe for overflow has not been determined yet. When they start matching everything up for floor plans, it will be done. Mr. Moisa said that the road committee will give final approval. Actually you are aSking for a Change of zone now. Mr~ Raynor said that we are still going to look for a turn, around. Mr. Lark said that with the granting of a change of zone, there would be filed with the Town Attorney a declaration of covenants; and the other thing will be the construction of one family detached dwellings so there will be covenants on here that we can't put on multiple units. The only reason we are asking is as accessory use. We came to the conclusion we would leave 5 acres out of all computations, 4.6 is less, I am using 5 acres for the cluster concept. Mr. Ranor said that as he looks at the~map he finds that ~he~!haVe relocated this road. Mr. Price said that out except for what we have to do ~o mak~ a.drive. Mr. at t~e i~terSection, he feels Mr. Price said that it just has a hedge. Mr. Lark said that Mr. ~NOrris. wanted %o retain tkat entranceway. MFs. Jeah Tiedtk~e looked at the maP and~asked if ~%his road be Mr. Raynor said yes, Wi 's property. Mr. Lar~ said the upper out. He said that Road is impassable. We have no control ~t going into the property line so we moved back and will reserve the additional. This could be widened .out in~o a 50 foot road at a later date. Some day, if this property is ever developed, it would just require widening. We don't intend to do it at the present time. There has been a dispute as to what people to the south have a right of way. Some have rights and some have not. Southold Town Planning Board -14- October 4, 1973 Mr. Lark said that they also have a sketch plan that Mr. Young has prepared for the proposed cluster. · he property runs right up to Marratooka~ Rather than put the homes on there, it is contemplated that this Mill be considered part of the park and playground area. ~ou have to do something with land so this will be a filed map and we have computed this into park and playground. (~eferring to map) There is a planting area here, park and playground; and here there are three areas. Rather t~an make it into a lot, we did this. Mr. Norris wants t~ keep that entranceway that he has. It will also b~eak this up quite a bit and still allow space for the l~t here. Mr Raynor asked if they would be.willing to ~ie this up i~ perpetuity. Mr. Lark said "~es". This Will not go'with the condominiums; it's strictly a residential subdivision. Mrs. Tiedtke commented that there won't be anything ~eft for the public around here. Mr. Lark said that this is privately held now; the people who li~e on this lake want to keep it pri~ate. It will j~st be left the way it is. Mr. Lark said that Mr. Norris, ~r. Price and ~r. Young decided on an average of about 30,000~sq. ft. per lot with water and sewage. This will also particlipate in the sewage system and the water system~ Mr. Raynor stated that those lots will have to be c~venanted that there may be no further s~division. M~. Price said that they did not want to .split up the oild house ~md-the old barns. We are going to leave them. Mr. Moisa ~iaid that we will ask for a leg~i instrument. Mr. Lark s~iid that the reason why they wer~ stuck was that they wanted~ to leave the house and the barns. The buildings a~e quite ~ia~ge. We would agree that thei~e should be no subdivision~ in the future. That's the i~tent. Mr. NOrris f~lt quite s~rong about leaving them because that is the e~trance to his! place. Mr. Moisa asked iif there were any other quest!ions and said that the Planning Board would give it consider~ation later on. Mr. Lark said he would appreciate a speedy c~siderati~n. The details have to be worked in; the recharg~e area will have to be worked out and the road area Wilt'~ve to be laid out. Mr that i~ ~ould be advisable to have Mr. )ean l'ook at the proposal. Mr~.~Y~ung said that they just wanted to kno~ if the BoaSd.liked the concept and if it WOuld,'be possible to do.it. Mrl. Lark said that the way the contour lays out, it is feasible to make a 50 foot road. We can't do that until we get sketch plan approval from you. This is strictly a sketch plan. At a preliminary hearing you would have Mr. Dean's recommendation. At this time, Mr. Dean doesn't have enough detail because he doesn't have a profile. Southold Town Planning Board -15- October 4, 1973 ~ ~ ?~y Mr. ~l~_~e appeared before the Planning Board with a map of a minor subdivision at Cutchogue. The Board decided that they would need time for further review. Mr. Henry Moisa read letter received from Mr. R. W. Gi%lispie, Jr., Chairman of the Board of Appeals, dated July 24, 1973, as follows: "Evelyn Swisky, Bayview Road, Southold, New York, appeared before the Board of Appeals at 9:00 P.M., July 19, 1973, requesting a variance for permission to divide property with less than required area and frontage, and for approval of access on property located on the north side of Bayview Road, Southold. Mrs. Swisky owns approximately 2~1/2 acres which includes the portion of property on which her residence is located. The remainder of the property runs back to a creek which has been dredged. Mrs. Swisky's application requested that she be permitted to make three lots of the frontage on this creek with an access road from Bayview Road along her west property line. We advised Mrs. Swisky that she would not be permitted to create or sell lots consisting of less than 40,000 sq. ft. HoWever, if the Planning Board is willing to create two lots to the rear of Mrs. Swisky's residence property, the Board of Appeals would grant a variance on the remainder of the property, consisting of approximately 28,000 sq. ft., on which her residence is located. The Board of Appeals feels it would be reasonable to grant.a variance on Mrs. Swisky's residence lot, permitting this lot to be approximately 28,000 sq. ft., as it is larger than the adjoining lot to the east. We suggested to Mrs. Swisky that she refer this matter, to the Planning Board, and have postponed our decision un~il we have your recommendations." Mr~ Henry Moisa said that the Planning Board had looked at this property and felt it was a reasonable request. Southold Town Planning Board -16- October 4, 1973 On motion by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the Planning Board grant two lots on the rear of the property of Evelyn Swisky, facing the creek. Vote of the Board: Coyle, Grebe. Ayes:- Messrs: Raynor, Moisa, A letter was received from Mr. Raymond C. Dean dated October 1, 1973, Re: Woodhollow Properties- Orient by the Sea, as follows: "The Southold Town Highway Committee and myself have agreed to the area set aside for a recharge basin, instead of our suggestion of lot ~64 as recommended in our letter of August 8, 1973." The Secretary will send a copy of the above letter to Mr. William E. deBruin, Jr., Froelich & Mahony, Mineola, New York, counsel for Woodhollow Properties. On motion by Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the next meeting of the Planning Board will be held on October 24, 1973, at 7:30 P.M., Main Road, Southotd, New York. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Moisa, Coyle, Raynor, Grebe. A letter dated October 9, 1973 Was received from Gary Olsen~ Esq. requesting an informal discussion of the proposals of Leisure Greens, Inc. The Board suggested that he Could come before the Board aG their next meeting. Two letters dated October 1, 1973, were received from Mr. Charles Barnett, District Conservationist; one in regard to Greenfields at Southold; and one in regard to John Fellinger-~har. Southold Town Planning Board -17- October 4, 1973 On motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Coy!e, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the minutes of August 28, 1973, September 4, 1973, and September 18, 1973. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Raynor, Coyle, Moisa, Grebe. on motion by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant preliminary approval to Pebble Beach Realty Subdivision located at East Marion, Town of Southold. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Moisa, Raynor, Grebe, Coyle. On motion by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planninq Board grant preliminary approval to the John Pontino subdivision, East Hill, Section I, at Peconic, Town of Southold. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Moisa, Raynor, Grebe, Coyle. The Southold Town Planning Board received from the Southold T0wn. Board the original tition of Brl A. Norris, District on certain real in.the Town of Southold prepare a report defining · ty tuated at Mattituck, th the instructions to ie conditions contained therein. This property is situated at Mattituck, in the Town of Southold, County of Suffolk, New York, and more particularly bounded and described as follows: SQuthold Town Planning Board -18- October 4, 1973 BEGINNING at a point formed by the intersection of the southerly line of New Suffolk Avenue with the division line between the lands of George Brooks and of Bruce Norris and running thence from said point of beginning N. 77° 02' 20" E. along the southerly line of New Suffolk Avenue 78.44 feet; thence southwesterly, southerly, westerly, and again southerly through the land of Bruce Norris the following courses and distances: (1) On a curve to the left with a radius of 36.15 feet for a distance of 43.75 feet; (2) S. 7° 42' 00" W. 218.10 feet; (3) S. 7° 30' 20" W. 349.92 feet; (4) N. 82° 29' 40" W. 50.00 feet; (5) S. 7° 30' 20" W. 845.96 feet; (6) S. 7° 31' 10" E. 423.00 feet to the northeast corner of the land of Frank J. Murphy, (the point of beginning of parcel no. two hereinafter dewcribed); thence N. 86°~47' 40" West along the lands of Frank J. Murphy and of Laurence P. Reeve 809..45 feet to the easterly line of Reeve Avenue, also known as Camp Mineola ROAD; thence northerly along the easterly lihe of Reeve AVenue the following courses and distances: (1) N. 7° 07' 00 E. 667.65 feet; (2) N. 7° 32' 00" E. 519.57 feet; (3) N. 16° 07' 00" E. 550.85 feet to the southwest corner of the land of Vera Cichanowicz; thence easterly and northerly along the lands of Vera Cichanowicz, of Alice Dove, of Alberta Reeve and of George Brooks the following courses and distances: (1) S. 76° 27' 30" E. 312.78 feet; (2) S, 77° 45' 30" E. 91.78 feet; (3) S. 77° 53' 20" E. 96.70 feet; (4) S. 73° 38' 30" E. 121.88 feet; (5) N. 7° 42' 00" E. 224.34 feet to the point or place of beginning, containing an area of 27.683 acres. PARCEL NO. ~ - BEGINNING at the northeast corner of the land 0f Frank J. Murphy and running thence from~said point of beginning northerly, easterly, southerly and westerlY ~hrough the land of Bruce Norris the following courses and distances (1) N. 7° 31' 10" W~ 183.56 feet; (2) N. 82Q 28' 50" E. 450.89 feet; (3) S. 0° 47' 40" W. 106.56 feet; (4) S. 7" 01' 50" E. 994.46 feet; (5) S. 82Q 27~ 50" W. 426.73 feet to a point in the easterly line of the land of Thornton E. Smith; thence N. 7° 32' 10" W. along the lands of T~ornton E. Smith, of Matilda S. Haberman, Appolonia KirChgessner, of Joseph Peters, and of Frank J. Murphy 916.44 feet to the point or place of beginning containing an area of 10.915 acres. The Planning Board discussed this change of zone. On motion by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board recommend this changeoof zone from "A" Residential and Agricultural Southold Town Planning Board -19- October 4, 1973 District to "M" Light Multiple Residence District on Parcels One and Two. It is the opinion of the Southold Town Planning Board that this proposed change of zone should be approved because it is in compliance with the Town Development Plan. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Moisa, Coyle, Raynor, Grebe. On motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was RESOLVED that the Planning Board accept the sketch plan of the Norris cluster development and approve the ~ plan of Momo Weta Estates. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Moisa, Raynor, Coyle, Grebe. On motion by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was RESOLVED that the Planning Board send the A. W. Albertson change of zone request to the New York State Conservation Commission for study and a report. Vote of the Board: Ayes:- Messrs: Moisa, Raynor, Coyle, Grebe. Mr. Howard Terry, Building InspectOr, sent a message to the Planning Board with regard to the developers of Laurel Country Estates granting verbal bea-ch rights. ThePl~nning Board asked the Secretary to refer all material relating to this matter to Mr. Robert Tasker, Town Attorney. Southold Town Planning Board -20- October 4, 1973 In an informa~ discussion, Mr. Henry Moisa said that a neighbor had called him with reference to curbing. SHe owns a piece of property that goes into Petty's Bite and there is no curb cut. None of the lots have a curb cut because it isn't known where people are going to put their garages. I told her she would have to chop it out or get in touch with the Highway Committee. Mr. Grebe said that one of the houses down at the Fort - a brick house- is owned by a man who wants to sell half of it. Mr. Moisa said their attorneys would have to figure that one out. Mr. Raynor said that he will have to try to get a variance. Mr. Grebe said that it was an Army house, a two family house. Mr. Moisa said that he didn't think anyone could stop a person from buying into a condomin- ium. Mr. Grebe said that the ownership is in one name and they want to sell half. Mrs. Tiedtke said that this is done in many cities. The meeting was adjourned at 10:15 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Marjori~ McDermott, Secretary Southold Town Planning Board ~I6hn Wickham, Chairman