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Home My WebLink AboutPB-11/17/1959Southold Town Planning Board SOUTHOLD, L. I., N. Y. PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS John ~(/ickham, Chairman Henry Mois. AlFred Grebe Archibald Young William Unkelbach MINUTES $outhold To-wn Pla~ming Board November 17, 19~9 A regular meetJ_ug of the $outhold To~ Plannir~Boemd - Tu~sday~ November 17~ 19~9~ at the was held 7.30 P,M~ Town Clerk Office,Main Road~ ~outhold, .New Yo.rk. There %~r~ present: Messrs. John Wickham~ Chairma~u~ H~nr ~ y Moisa, Alfred G~ebe~ Archibald ~-o~ug, and Unkelbach. Also'present: Messrs. Howard M. Terry~ Building Inspector~ and Otto Vmu Tuyl~Cons-alting Engineer. M~. F. Rogers Ketcb~m, Halesite~ New York~ accomoenied _~h~,r h',~zs attor~e_ y Wi!~_iam ~i~ _ ~ Mattituck~ Ne~ York,-ap~e~ed_.. before the Plying Board relative to ~. KetchUPs applz- cation fgr a ch~e of zone from ."~"' Residential and Agric~t~a! to t'B" B~siness DiStrict on'certaih: re~ property situated at t~ Road~ Mattituck~ New York~ ~d bo~ed ~d described as follows: ~gi~in~ at a ~oint on the '~est side of Mattituck Creek about 1200' .~outh o~ ~ll Road, ru~iD~ thence ~ong the Northerly side of property ~o~m as P~p of Shore Acres (~p_~l) on the fo~o~zn~ ~ co~ses ~d ~st~ce~ ~o~ ~6.ZO*~ ~ 89°Z0~ZO~f ~o~ ~Z,aO~ ~ 280~O*ZO~r~¢ ~o~ 6Z.3~~ ~ 82°36~0"W, ~o~ 2G.~9~ ¢o a ~o~ea¢~ ¢~e~ee-aZoa~ ¢~e Southotd To~n Planing Board ~2- Novemoe_ 173 !9~9 fo~? co~ses 8~d distances: N 6°12~0~'W for 235~80~-~ N I~° 26 ~ ~O~W ~ ~ ~ ~o~ 1~2.215 N O°l~O0"E for 357~ N i3°~9~0~'W for 6~82~ to a po~t~ thence along the Easterly side ,f property ox Jozeph Leo[Gr~de on the f011o'~ng fo~ courses and dis~ t~c~s: S 81°32~20~ for ~7~N 17DOl~O0:~ for ~73.I9~, N 28u00:20~W for j2.75~ N 8~°~.0" W~for ~0.08~ to a~mon~ent~ th~oe along the Easterly side of proDerty of M~ice Galbert N 1°~7~20,W for 139~27~ t0 a monument on the ~o~h side of ~ll Road~ thence ~o~g the ~SoUther~y side of l~ll Road the following three co~ses ~d distances: N 73og2~30~E for 39.22~ S 82°01~ 10"E for 138.~6~ ~ ~u23~O0~E for 77.6~~ to a point on the ~ South side of M~ll Boad~ thence ~o~ the Westerly and Southerly sides of the present ~'B" Business Zone the following two c0~ses ~. dist~ces~ S !~°O0~00"E about ~00~ S 8~°O0~'~E a~ut !~0~ to the ~est side of Mattituck Creeks thence Southerly ~ong said C~.ee:~ about !000 ~to the point or pl~ce o~ o g~ng~ ~s sho~ on map of Otto ~ V~ T~l & Son dated Decem~r 6~ !9~7. ~is parcel contains approx~ately 16~37 acres. 0n May 263 19~9 }~. Bruce MacDonald had appeared before the Pl~%uin¢ Board on behalf of this applicant and stated that the proposal was to develop the water frcnt as a boat yard with motel units and cottages on the bluff~ At the time the Board advised Mr o MacDonald that they felt the entire parcel was too 18~ge to be completely ~oned ~'B~ Business a.~d. would be only williog to consider that portion which would be used as the boat yard itself. Mr. Ketcham stated to the Board that at that time M~ P~cDonaid and two other partners were about to lease the property from him. However3 this did not work Out for Mr. ~LacDonald and the two other %udividuais and the matter was dropped. At this time M~o Eetcham has er~gaged M_~. Edward Z~-neski to clear the area along the water this winter so that it will be much more presentable than it is no%4 and he hopes to rent t~e property for a co~merciai ve~mt~e by S.orin~. He does not feel it co%id b~ developed residentialiy,- The Board a~reed with Mr. Ketcham on this po%u~, It was suggested to M~' ~etcham and Y~. ~ickham[that the Board felt 200 ft. back from the begim~uing of the b~uk and along the ~roperty in a reasonably straight l~ne would be the solution~ If in the future there were plans for a motel something could be ~rked out at that time~ The Usual business district thorough the To~m is 200 ft~ on the street or water fron't3 however~ tl~at is not a hard and fast rule~ M~ Van Tuy! s ~e. ped forward d briefly sketched out a str~.p above the ban~ w~mch mmght be the area zonea B . After c~nsid~rable disc"assion l~ WiC~ attorney for M~. ~etch~ aav~seu they ~o~d have ~_ accurate ~ "~ of p~eparee ~d then the property desired to be changed to '~B~ ~ ~ emend the application to that ~ea. ~outhold To~ Planning Board ~3~ November !?~ t9~9 the Plamming Board received aletter from Superintendent of Highways Harold Price relative to Seawood Acres~ Mr~ Price stated that he does not see how t~is proposed highway emu be built unless there is a 70 ftc right~of-way~ namely two 20 ft~ roads each side with lO ft~ sidewalk area and l0 ft. center ~and reserved for trees, ~ this time the P!arn~ing Board had nothing fz~ther from P~. Kapp relative to the letter forwarded to him October 28th advising him of the above ~ecision ~tb~ Superintendent of Highways. The minutes of the meeting of October 27~ 1959~ on motion of M~. Yo~_g~ seconded by Mr. Grebe~ and carried~ were approved as corrected~ The Plamning Board received a letter from the Suffolk County ~!~aning Board dated November 4¢ !9~9 transmitting a resolution passed at their meeting on October 29~ 19~9, The resolution stated that a co--tree consisting of Messrs, Otto W. Van Tuyl~ M, Scudder Griffing~ and Charles P~ McFadden had made a st~mdy of the property on Fishers islan~ presently owned by $outho!d To~n and a£ter considerable study and personal inspec~ tion by the committee the S~ffolk County P!ann~ug Beard recommends that the site by retained in its present status of public o~er- ship by the To~n of 8outhold £or the use~ enjoyment and development by said Town of Southo!do On motion o~ ~. Unkelbach~ seconded by M~, Moisa and earried~ it ~was ~OLI~ED that a letter be forwarded to the Fishers Island Civic Association advising of the resolution passed by the S~ffolk County Pl~uim~ Board and stating that in view of the fact the Plar~aing Beard has recommended to the Totem Boardof Southold in times past that a park district might be set up to operate the area~ but such plsm. has not received favorable consideration~ it would seem that a solution might be for o~mership o~ this property to remain with the Tomm of 8gu~ho!d b~t operati0nunder co~ract or agreementlm!ght ~ by the.F~s~ers !s~and Civic AssOciation or some other agency, it Was po~u~ea out the public beach involves the respensibil±ty~for a life g-mard ormiife g~ards both as to maintaining the services and paying for'it and d~ ell probability the Town wo~ld expect the oneratin~ a~encv to carry publicliability. The'letter further S~at~:d t~atothe[PT~aning~Boardwou3-d be willing to reeommend such ~n arrangement to the Town Board' if the Civic Association felt it were feasible and they or some other responsible agency would be Willing to ~mdertake it~ It was further suggested that before final decisions are reached on t~is matter the Town Attorney should be called in to make su~e the arrangements are in order. A letter was also forwarded to the Southold To~m Board transmitting a copy of the Suffolk C omnty Plannimg Board:s Eouthold Town P~a~ug Board -~ November i7~ i9~9 resolution and advising we are pursuing this matter further ~¢~th the people of the Fishers Island Civic Association and will make our recoramendation based on our findings at a later date ~ The Chairman advised the members of the P~anning Board of the death of I~r. Job~U M. MuddemSm_ and read the letter he ha5. ±nstructed the secretary to write to M~s~ Muddeman extend- ing the ~pathy and ~uderstanding of the Pismning Board of 8outho!d To~m. The P!~un~ng Board received a letter from the ~foik Co~mty ~am~ing Board forwarding a copy of reg~ations of the 8~folk Co~aty Department of Health pertaining to Criteria for the Determination of Adequate Satisfactory Water Supply Facilities in Realty ~ubdivis'ionS~ Also received by the Board x~om the Health Department ~ere new tentative reg~ations on ~dividual water supply systems~ dated October 22~ t9~9, of the abovementioned data was ordered filed for ready reference in the furze. A letter was received from the Southold' To~,~ Clerk trans- mitting the petition of Janet DavSd,,Pe~onig~.New ~r~lative + ~o~ ~ ~u~ from ~A" Re&iaential ~d ~_gric~t~a~ proper~y ~:to "~B ~ .... Bus~Vmness~- ~'- '~Dmst~ ~'~ct~ . certain- _ rea~_ ~o~erty~ _ ~ ~ situated, at New~York~ ~ud more particu~ly bonded a~d ae~r~bed as Northerl~ by the North Road~ Easteriy by uarroii avenue~ ~ouvne~m~ by l~ ~ormerly of Josiah C. Case now of Hairston and Westerly psmtly by l~.d now of ~Alex~dra Wolosik and partly by land formerly of T~ner. Map of !~d of J~et David at Peconic ~y Otto W. V~ T~l & Son dated November 2~ 19~9. It was the determ~ation O~ the Board that a team of members wo,~d investigate tlae property ~d make their report at the ne~t meeting of the Planning Bo~d. The Pl~um~g Bqard ~so received pet~m0~ 9~ ~Fe~° Nau~l~s DriVe~' Ma~tituck~ ~ew York~ ~om zae :=o~ 0ler~ [~4'~,~te~ :to,~reOar~ ~ official report defining ~he _~ ..... ~' ~~ ~ +~= ~t~lon a~d 8eterm~ne the ~ea is for a Change c~ zone~ fr~ n°n-con~orming and Agric~t~ District to "C~ ~ustrial District~ certamn ~ oro~ertv siEuated at Mattituck I~et ~m more pa~tmc~r~y property of D~W~f approxLmatelY ~7 ft. $ ~en on trna ~oUt~ ~ ~d of Fe~ore~ Aycardi and Naugles Drive ~ppro~imately- ~ - ' -' ~ ~ ' : ~wa~ and !~d of P. ~ ~ t~e West b ~ rmght~o ~0 ft~ then on m Y o ~ .... ..... ~ ~ ~ ~ to'Mat~tuck Ir~et~ Vignes a dist~ce ox approx~a%e~ ~0 ~f ~M ~ ~ r~u~g ~ong Mattituck I~et approxmmave-~.~ J~ ~. ~'~ Southoid To~ P!a~uing Board ~- November 17~ i9Y9 l~d owned by Jean Fenmore at Mattituckby Otto W. Van Tuyl & Son dated October 17 19~8o ~o~e Board decided that a team of members should investigate the property and m~ke a report at the next Planning Board meet~ ing~ aud also a letter should be forwarded to ~. Thomas DeWu~f? 36~37 Union Street~ ~±ushing~ New York advising of the request for a chauge of zone from non-conforming "A~ ~ud Agricult~ral to "C" Industrial by Jean Fan, ore whose property is adjacent to }~, De~r~lf~s prooerty~ and stating that the NaugIes property on the other s~de has already been rezoned to :~B~ Business Ristrict, The letter goes on to say that the Plar~uing Board feels it is poor policy to have a residenti~! area sandwiched between "B~ Business and ~C~' Industrial zones and ~e would like to k~ow M~ DeI~ulf~s reaction to the application of M~ ~ Fenmore and f~mrth~r if he would be inclined to having the Totem Board~ on its o~n motion~ rezone the entire area~ including his~ ~C" Industriai District~ Mr~ V~z~ Tuyl presented to the Board the preliminary map of Subdivision of l~adowPoint Properties~ inc~ at Bay~iew~ $ou~oid~ New York. it v~as requested that the Planning Board give ~ure- liminary approval to this map so that the owners may go ahead and have the land cleared ~md roads pushed through~ On motion of Mr~ Grebe~ seconded by ~ Young~ and carried~ it was RESOL~ that the ?lar~g Board grant preliminary approval subject to ~Ieadow Point Properties~ Inc~ filing a map in the County Clerk's office in accordance ~_th filing regulations~ showing grade and roads~ etc~ The next meeting of the-Southold To~nPlanning Board will. be held TUesday~December l~ 19~9~ 7:30 P,M,~ at the To~m Clerk 0ffice~M~inRoad~ Southold~ New York, M~. ~'~ickhs~ presented to the Board a copy of a report from the Suffolk Co~uty Planning Board and the ~Officiai Highws~y Map.~ The ,~0ffiei~ Highway Map~ was amoptea by ~he ~ard of SuperviSors_bM resolution on APr~ 27~ I9~6 ~ud the report is a request to the Co~ty Attorney asking for clarification on the status of the '~0fficial Higkway ~p" -~ider~ Section ll~ of the Higb~way Law a~ ~he ~'0fficial ~ap'~ ~der section 239k of Co~ ~y Attorney the G~ner~ M~icipal La~ ~-~e report of ~e ~ ~1~ ~ is also ~uclosed %~th the letter from the Su~fo~ cowry Pl~uing ~ard,, ~ter ex~nining the map ~was ordered filed for r~ac~y re~erenc in the fut~e~ ~@. Grebe brought before the Board the Fort H, G~ Wright Post Map ~dstated that there is tentativa pl~u to zone this property~ The Pl~. is to zone the aviation field section up to a geodetic marker on the south side of ~histler Avenue as ~outho!d ~own Pinning Board ~6~ November 17~ l~l ~B~ Business District. From there southerly to Block Island $o~uud~ the line intended to clear the rurr~ay on the west and existing buildings on the east~ this area lmuo-~m as Psm~ade Gro'~ds ~ with exis tLug buildings: structures ~' roadways ~ etc. easterly a!0~ Southerly side Of W~istler Avenue to a point approximately !0 ft. west of the theatre buiiding~r~3mning thence southerly approximately parallel to the v~esteriy line of said ~ea to Block Isla~ud Sound to be ~'A~ Residential and Agricultural District. The balance of the property easterly from said point on Whsterly side of theatre and sc~therly side of Whistler Avenue and bounded on the ~enera!ly southeasterly direction by South Beach Road to Block Island 8o~r=d~ this area with existing buitdings~ roads~ etc.~ to be zoned ~B~ Business District. M~. Grebe stated that the Race PoJ~ut Association had a meeting scheduled in New York City oh November 18th to decide how they wou2d like tlme portion they p~rchsed from the government on the n~rth side of 'W~ist!~r Avenue to be zoned~ At the next meeting of the Pla~ing Board~ when the decision of the Race Point Association is ~o~ the Pls~uing Board will ms2<e their recommendation to the Southold To~r~ Board. The Piap~ing Board received a letter and map from A. Construction Co.~ Fishers Islar~d~ New York relative to their plan to pure,.ese the remaini~ug lots on a tract of land as '~me Peninsula at Fishers Islsaud~ Ne~ York. They wished to know what their resoonsibiiity ~o~!d be to the present (other than Fishers Island Estates) in regard to the !ores what their status would be a~ad would they be considered a~ a developer of property and be responsible For uti!ities~ A letter was order~ Proprietor~ ~. C. ConStl his questiOns~ he will pavmng~ of roads, as long condition with a t l~ast ~m ~orwarded to ~. ~ber~ Cn=pi=skm~ · uction Co.~ stating that in ~uSwer to ~ot be respSnsible for utilities and as they are maintained in a passable1 i8 ft. cleared. We do consider him a developer a-~.d he Will h~ve to comply with Southold Town'Build- ~ug Zone requirements ~ichca~i'for buzldmng lots o~ ~2~pO0 sq. ft. per Io~ with at least 100 ft. frontage on an approved access~ This is believed :~o b~ the Pl~uning BOard's interpretation ~f Mr. Chaplaski~s questions amd it %~s suggested he ~onsult ith an attorneY-before any definite ~ecision to purchase and ~rther develop this property is reached~ Meeting adjourned at !0:~ P~M. Respect~ mily submitted~ ~~~.~~ ~ · ~. ~ ~'~'~' Judith T~ Boken~ ~ecretary A~hiba~ddN. ~O~m~,~ A~i~g~ Chairman