HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-03/14/1974Southold Town Planning Board
SOUTHOLD, L. I., N. Y. 11971
PLANNING BOARD
MEMBERS
John Wlckham, Chairman
Henry Molsa
Alfred Grebe
Henry Raynor
Frank Coyle
MINUTES
sOUrHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD
March 14~ 1974
A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was held at
7:30 p.m.~ Thursday~ March 14~ 1974~ at the Town Clerk'S Office~ Main
Road~ Southold, New York.
There were present: Messrs. John Wickham, Chairman; Henry Moisa~
Vice-Chairman; Henry Raynor; Alfred Grebe; Prank S. Coyle.
Southold Resins~ Inf. change of zone.
Irving Price, Esq. appeared.
Mr. Price: I have a unique problem. The subject of my asking for a
conference is the old Ellsworth Oyster plant at the foot of Sixth Street
in the Village of Greenport and the Town of Southold. Under the ordinance~
as I understand it~ both the Town part and the Village part under the
village ordinance is now zoned residential and up to the last amendment
it had been zoned industrial. Under the provisions of the Southold Town
Zoning Ordinance as presently constituted, I believe that we must ask for
a rezoning for light industrial. I represent the tenant under a recorded
lease and he has an option to purchase. His name is Van Taggart of
Sou/hold Resins~ Inc. He wishes to use the building to manufacture a
process he has patented to make portable plastic heaters.
Mr. Wickham: How long has it been lying idle?
Mr. Price: It has never lain idle. At some time in the past it ceased
to be used as an oyster plant.
Fir. Wickham: Was it industrial?
Mr. Price. No. A fellow named James Homan and Armando Cappa purchased
it with intentions to use it as a restaurant which they never did but in
the meantime it has been used for storage.
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Mr. Wickham: It is obvious that if it is the building I think it is, it
was specifically built for the oyster business and an industrial use.
Iftr. Price: It is zoned residential.
Mr. Wickham: We have made some mistakes. I am sure you know that. I am
surprised that both the Town and the Village should be in the same boat on
it.
Mr. Raynor: How many years has it lain idle?
Mr. Price: It has not been used as an oyster plant for about six years.
Mr. Wickham: It has been used all this time for some type of business use.
Mr. Raynor: Would you submit six more copies to us? I would like to go
down and look at it.
Mr. Price: I would like to outline my problem. Light industry is the
only use district where the contemplated use can be carried on.
Mr. Moisa: The bulk of it is in Greenport.
Mr. Raynor: Has the Village Board been contacted?
Mr. Price: No. If we apply for rezoning, it is referred to the Planning
Board and the Suffolk County Planning Board and, if the Town Board sees
fit to rezone it industrial, we have to apply to the Zoning Board of
Appeals and they will or will not grant us an exception depending on
whether the Planning Board has approved the site. When you come to the
sections on the Planning Board approving the site you find you first start
with a conference. The Village is the same but we do not have to apply
for a special exception if your change of zone is granted. I thought I
would start at the rear end.
Mr. Wickham: You do not have to supply a site plan if there is an existing
building~ etc. You are not changing the site plan. There is a simpler way
and this is to get approval of a non-conforming use.
Mr. Price: The only objection to that is these people intend to purchase
it at a purchase price of $175,000 and if they are in there under a non-
conforming use or a variance and have a fire and 50% is destroyed they
can't rebuild. The only proper p~ocedure in light of their, investment is
a rezone.
Mr. Raynor: How many square feet are in the bu~kheaded area and the boat
basin?
Mr. Price: I don't know. It is a large parcel.
Mr. Raynor: Usually, the surveyor indicates the acreage involved. Is
this going on now?
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Mr. Price: Yes, it is. It is my understanding that the landlord and the
tenant were not aware of the problem when they entered into the lease.
The lease provides that it be used and occupied for any lawful purpose and
they assumed that was lawful.
Mr. Wickham: It is a little under two acres and 7ou have to take out
some for the basin. With an existing use, there can be no problem as I see
it. This is not changing the use or the building. There has been a non~
conforming use all the time. It was zoned "C" as were all the oyster plants.
Mr. Raynor:
Mr. Price:
Mr. Raynor:
Mr. Price:
Are the adjacent properties built up?
It has been J~J Ellsworth oyster plant as long as I know.
Have you contacted any adjacent property holders concerning it?
No. If we have to go to them, maybe we are dead. That is the
trend of everything today to refuse people use of their property.
Mr. Wickham: There is no question of your position where there has been
a continuing use particularly where the boat basin is here and you are
asking for a "C,i" which is what we recommend for this type of thing. It
doesn't seem to me there will be a problem. Unless he is planning to
change the building, I would think the site plan is for new construction.
Mr. Raynor: Would you utilize the boat basin as it exists?
Mr. Price: He expects to rent slips in it as a marina. I would like to
read the following letter into the record.
March 5, 1974
Irving L. Price
238 Main Street
Greenport, New York 11944
Dear Irving:
With regard to any action you may be taking with the property
at the end of Sixth Street, I wish the following information to be
included with any papers you will present to various levels of
government involved in these proceedings:
"In compliance with the N. Y. State General Municipal
Law, g~icle 18 Sec. 803 (DJ§closure of Interest), I am
hereby submitting the following information with regard
to zone change variances or other actions for the Coppa
and Homan property at the end of Sixth Street, Greenport.
I, James F. Homan, am an employee of the Town of Southotd,
serving on the Southold Town Board.
There is no one else having any interest in this property
that is in the employ of any municipal government body."
Thank you.
Sincerel y,
/s/ James F. Homan
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Mr. Wickham: It would seem simple and straight forward and if you think
they should petition for the change of zone~ and I believe they could
under the circumstances, I would expect that this board would look favor-
ably on it and you would have no problem. The development of the water-
front is fully as important as the development of the highway frontage.
Mr. Price: This is a chance to get some light employment in the immediate
area and doesn't change the looks of anything. I would strongly stress
that.
Mr. Wickham: You petition the Town Board and they refer it to us and we
send it right on to the County and, in due course~ it comes back to the
Town.
Mr. Moisa: When it gets to the County they may hold it to act on both
together.
Mr. Price: That is not what the county charter says.
Mr. Raynor: Will you send us some maps with the 500 feet radius from the
property?
Mr. Price: Of course.
Mr. Wickham: One other thing you haven't mentioned, I think you will
have to face the DEC.
Mr. Price: There is no change.
Mr. Wickham: The County will say and has in the past, if this is on or
near the marine fringe we will not approve it unless you have clearance
from the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation.
Mr. Price: I wrote a letter which brought results before and I will send
them the same letter.
Mr. Wickham: Clearance from the DEC is not difficult to get.
William Schriever subdivision. Charles Cuddy, Esq. appeared.
There was discussion as to some changes made on the map.
Stanley Sledjeski minor subdivision. Richard Lark, Esq. appeared.
Mr. Lark: Pursuant to your letter of March 12, I got the necessary
covenants and restrictions~ one by Helen Sledjeski, and I have corrected
the error in the property description for the board. Here are the two
deeds which have been recorded. (in file)
Mr. Wickham read the covenants and restrictions signed by Helen Sledjeski.
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Mr. Lark: This is the description and they are both together so there
should be no problem. I would like to request a favorable reply.
Highland Road Corporation.
Richard Lark, Esq., Richard Mohring and Bart Jo
Piscitello appeared.
Mr. Lark: The Board wrote me a letter regarding the subdivision. I
brought with me here this evening both principles, Nit. Richard Mohring and
Mr. Piscitello. After I discussed it with the principles, they asked me
to go ahead and I had Mr. Young do Some further computations on the layout
and the topography of the surrounding land to assure myself before the
preliminary stage that the recharge basins would not adversely affect any
of the surrounding lands. I have an amended map here and I will have Mr.
Young explain the differences in a moment. The recharge basins are from a
topography point of view. (to the principles) The Planning Board was
interested in whether you will develop it yourselves.
Mr. Piscitello: We are primarily builders and we are running out of land
and we are looking to develop and build in Suffolk. We have had many
inquiries from brokers wanting to know if we would sell the land. We said
we were developing and building but if there were purchasers we would be
glad to send a map of the property but not to offer the property for sale
in its present condition. However, if there were interested people we would
venture sales in the future whenever we would get a filed map and we could
build for the people or sell several individual lots to create activity in
the area and create a subdivision which is compatible to the community. At
this time~ we intend to build and develop it.
Mr. Lark: Do you have any further questions on that particular aspect of
it? I went over it with them after you wrote me the letter. At this time
I would like to turn it over to Howard Young. He can explain the differences
from what I presented in late January. This is a refinement of it and the
main reason is to make sure the drainage areas would be compatible.
Mr. Young: We have taken the 500 feet outside from the U. S. Geodetic map.
At your request~ I have shown the building which I didn't show on the first
one. The other revision was in studying the road layout we came out with
an excess of acreage of what we needed and threw another lot in the back
which we would like to get your feeling on. I believe it mee~s the zoning
requirements.
Mr. Wickham: Not unless you have 100 foot highway frontage.
Mr. Raynor: Why did you cul-de-sac here?
Mr. Lark: As I understand it, he intends Ko develop this exclusively in
a grape vineyard. I don't know how many acres he will grow this year. I
think that will be the future because he has the financing. If there was
a death~ there would be a change but this is what I understand.
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Mr. Raynor: We still have to consider this.
Mr. Lark: Howard's argument is taken from the zoning code here.
Mr. Young: The reason we do not have the road is because the terrain is
high and we wanted to break them up into square parcels.
Mr. Wickham: We do not go for the flag lot because it defeats the
purpose of 150 foot frontage.
Mr. Lark: This road is not going to create the problem but can the
recharge areas be moved?
Mr. Young: That is no problem. The park and playground doesn't include
the recharge basin.
Mr. Raynor: Do you have enough park and playground if you get rid of the
area by the church?
Mr. Young: Yes. The developers would rather put in a cul-de-sac than
lose this lot.
Mr. Wickham: We have to go to the Highway Committee and the Highway
Superintendent on the cul,de-sac.
Mr. Lark presented the application: fee and twelve copies of the map.
Mr. Wickham: We always get in touch with schools, churches, etc. and we
would sooner or later get in touch with the church and ask what they think.
Would you be willing to give this to the church if they maintained it as
open space?
Mr. Piscitetlo: Yes: absolutely.
Mr. Wickham: I am not a trustee so I have no say. We could write and say
we understand the developers would be willing to convey it to you if you
would maintain it.
Mr. Piscitello: Your suggestion is well taken. It is of no use for a
park strip or a building spot or anything but possible use to the church.
Mr. Wickham: About eight or ten years ago they were looking to acquire
some but at thai-time they didn't know what they wanted to d6 with it.
We will write them a letter and say you are amenable.
Pebble Beach. Rudy Bruer, Esq.~ Lefferts Edson, Esq. and Mr. Donovan
appeared.
Mr. Raynor: We need data on subsoil.
Mr. Wickham: There can be no established vertical depth here. They have
to go down to sand. It has to go down to sand and gravel and it has to be
approved sand and gravel. You can't establish a depth and say it is going
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to be such and such. You cannot have even 5% of silt. Therefore, when
you excavate for the pipe you can't backfill with the material thai has
been excavated unless you excavate the swale first down to sand and put
your ditcher in and backfill.
Mr. Donovan: Even though we have Health Department approvaI, we agreed
we would dig test wells. Through the wooded areas we have the right of
ways pretty much cut out.' We will not know until we open up the entire
area just what we have in here. I think, from a practical standpoint,
we will watch as we go through.
Mr. Wi ckham: One of the things about this type of highway drainage is you
have to be very careful to take every step in the proper sequence because
a very small percentage of silt can spoil the complete effectiveness because
you can't silt it up.
Mr. Donovan: In the swale areas when we go down to the sand and put in the
utilities, then we will see what we have got.
Mr. Wickham: Our engineer will spend alot of time there saying this is the
way it has to be. We want it to work.
Mr. Donovan: If I remove and push to the side the overburden, I am sure
we are going to run into some portions where we are going to have to replace
some of the soil with sand.
Mir. Wickham: You have to be careful you don't strip it back because if
you do the silt will run back in. Talk with the engineer so you don't get
mess, ed up by having your swale silted up because this is what happens with
catch basins. This linear system of highway drainage can be ruined just
as quickly by silt as a catch basin and it poses a problem.
Mr. Donovan: WhatiI propose doing along the property line is make a berm
and shape this area so there is a retaining ledge here. Ail we are doing
is making an elongated sump area and we can assure you we are going to be
extremely careful and aware of the problems with it.
Mr. Wickham: We.have done one pilot project and What we do not want is to
ha~e this whole thing set down below the surrounding territory because
then again it gets more than its fair share of water.
Mr. Donovan: I can say you could run into that in any piece of land. Some
of the properties'will be above the grade and the berm is the thing that
should be the container. Otherwise you would have to go all the way through
and take all the vegetation off the property.
Mr, Wickham: You don't cut all the way.
Mr. Donovan: We have pretty much the cuts and fills indicated here. Here
you go from a cut to fill section.
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Mr. Wickham: This is the slope of the land outside the highway. In talking
with the Soil Conservation District some time ago, he felt that there were
a couple of areas where you ought to use conventional type drainage and I
had thought they were down by the Main Road.
Mr. Donovan: That would be news to me in the last go-round. The only thing
the State said to me they may or may not look as to whether we have to pave
the shoulders on the State Road for a passing lane particularly for someone
coming in making a left turn and they have not determined that because we
haven't been to the State with a final one. They do not want any water in
the road. There is a clump of trees here and it may be on taking some
dimensions we may kick this over a little bit. I don't want to take those
trees out. It may not be necessary. We are not sure of that. They set
back. If the trees are in here and since you have this room, why take the
trees out? The only thing was moving two plots to provide access for drainage.
We relocated two lots, 55 and 63.
Mr. Raynor: Have you had any conversation with the Highway Department?
Mr. Donovan: No, we have had none at all. We left all the plans here. We
didn't send any to anyone else. It is good permeable soil.
Nit. Donovan was directed to take a map to the Suffolk County Department of
Environmental Control.
Lucile Mosback - The Terrace. Rudy Bruer, Esq. appeared.
Mr. Bruer presented six copies of the map.
Mr. Bruer: We intend to make this four lots and go for a variance on
Lot #4. As my original agreement with the Zoning Board of Appeals Lot #2
would be covenanted never to be split up.
Inlet Bast. William Bsseks, Esq. and Dona~Denis appeared.
Mr. Esseks: On our preliminary approval there was no request for a park
and playground because of the proximity to a public park.
The following recommendations were given to Mr. Esseks and Mr. Denis.
At a meeting of the Superintendent of Highways~ the Town Engineer,
a member of the Town Highway Committee and Mr. Henry Raynor of the Southold
Town Planning Board~ the following recommendations on drainage were made re
the above proposed subdivision.
At the intersection of Inlet View East and Harborview Avenue install~
ations of catch and leaching basins at the southeast corner and southwest
corner connected by 18" pipe. 18" pipe will run from the southwest corner
to a catch basin at approximately the northwest corner of the subdivision.
18" corrugated pipe will run from this catch basin westerly for approximately
125 feet and will overflow from there.
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On the southerly line~ lot #10 is to be redesigned. Southwesterly corner
of the subdivision for a distance of approximately 60 feet to the north,
easterly to the road ending shown at beginning of turn around and southerly
60 feet back to the south line. This includes drainage easement shown on
map dated August 29~ 1973 plus approximately one-half of recharge basin
shown, The engineer proposes to utilize this area as a natural drainage
easement excluding the recharge basin. Lot #10 will encompass the unused
area in the recharge basin.
~xisting road ends will be drawn to north and turn around will be
installed approximately 100 feet north of turn around shown on map. 18"
piping will lead from new turn around to drainage easement. At approximately
75 feet southwest of new proposed turn around a dike will be created running
at right angles to the drainage easement. Two overflow pipes at different
vertical heights will be installed through said dike for a carrying distance
of approximately 75 feet. Lot #9 shown on subdivision will be utilized for
park and playground area.
.~August Acres. George Wetmore appeared.
The following letter l~kk~ dated March 8~ 1974 was read.
Gentlemen:
I have inspected the plans and profile of August Acres and recommend
the following recommendations:
1. Boring tests be made in the sump west of Lot #1 for any leaching.
2. A 50' right-of-way between Lots #14 and 15 for the town.
3. The Park and Playground area must specify for drainage use.
/s/ Raymond C. Dean
Superintendent of Highways
The following letter dated February 24, 1974 was read.
Dear Mr. Dean:
I have reviewed the above mentioned subdivision plan and make the
following recommendations and comments.
1. That the road between lot 33 and the park and playground be omitted.
This area is now a pond. In fact there are two ponds in the park and play~
ground one of which is large and covers half of lot 33. '
2. That since Southold Town has the deeds for the area between lot
90 and 93 of the adjacent subdivision, that roads be connected to this area
to eliminate an extremely long block.
3. That the island at the junction of Kerwin Boulevard and Bayshore
Road be enlarged.
4. That recharge basins be required. Also that test holes be made in
the proposed area for the close proximity of clay strata~ which preclude
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the percolation of water in a recharge basin.
/s/ Lawrence M. Tuthill, P.E.
Nit. Raynor: How come the original map didn't show the pond?
Mr. We/more: There was a pond there and for some reason or other they
didn't show it. Everything is correct now.
Greenfields. Gary Olsen, Bsq. appeared.
Mr. Olsen: The changes are made pursuant to your request.
next procedure?
What is the
Mr. Wickham: In view of the fact that you have met all the requirements,
the chances are we will approve it and send it up to the county, Wait until
you have heard from the Planning Board that we have heard from them.
Sleepy Hollow. Gary Olsen, Esq. appeared.
We are awaiting the county recommendation.
Oregon View. Gary Olsen, Esq. appeared.
We are awaiting the county recommendation.
James Dean minor subdivision. Gary Olsen, Esq. appeared.
Mr. Olsen: I have here an application and maps for the wooded piece just
west of Dean Drive containing four lots.
Mr. Wickham: The problem here is the elevation of land.
Mr. Raynor: Is this accurate?
Nit. Olsen: I will say the lines are accurate as far as the boundary line
agreement is. This was a general line for.meadow that was put on paper.
Mr. Van Tuyl did come down last summer and he felt this line was fairly
accurate as to where upland and lowland are located in relation to each
other. We tried to agree with a line that basically fits in with where they
meet. This is what we know we can get a clear title to. There is meadow
to the west of it. The meadow swings in on lot A and a little on lot B but
not much.
Mr. Raynor: This is not an actual survey.
Mr. Olsen: I can't tell you if it was based on field work years ago.
Mr. Wickham: We will want some profiles here to know what we are talking
about.
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Mr. Raynor: Where is the community wellpoint?
Mr. Olsen: The community wellpoint is on Dean Drive. It is not on this
piece. I thought the wellpoint was in here some place and Jim Dean had it
moved off to the road.
Mr. Wickham: We want elevations.
Mr. O!sen: I think you recommended this be included when he was doing it
but he didn't at that time because he tried a number of times to get the
boundary line dispute resolved and he couldn't.
Mr. Raynor: Has the Reeve and Smith Meadow been conveyed to the park
district?
Mr. Olsen: When Mr. Reeve died things became more cooperative. Now as far
as the estate is concerned, it looks like we can do something with this now.
Mr. Raynor: I wonder if there will be a water problem there.
Mr. Olsen: I don't think so. The wellpoint is probably off of "C".
Casola minor. Gary Olsen, Esq. appeared.
Mr. Wickham: I talked with Bob Villa and our problem is that the zoning
ordinance says buildable land. Subdivisions must be on buildable land and
Bob Tasker says you haven't delineated what buildable land must be and I
said aren't we entitled to any opinion on this and he said no, not until
you establish what is buildable and what is not buildable land. He said he
would suggest that we work with the county Board of Health and let them
tell us what is buildable land. This letter from the Suffolk County Board
of Health in the second paragraph Villa says test hol~ data also submitted
indicate that private wells and septic tank-leaching pool system can be
installed providing that some fill is provided to raise the grade where the
leaching pools will be installed. It continues your proposal, as per our
suggestion, that a covenant in the deed restricting first floor elevations
to be a minimum of seven feet above ground water should ensure sufficient
elevation to install a suitable sewage disposal system.
The following letter dated March 14, 1974 was received.
Gentlemen:
I have reviewed the plans, site and the correspondence of the above
mentioned subdivision and make the following comments and recommendations:
1. On March 4 and 5th measurements were taken from the test well near the
north property line and about 200' west of Orchard Street. The ground water
level'was 30" below the surface. This differs substantially from the 5'
recorded by Mr. Casola on his test well report.
2. The present elevations of the land is below that which is flooded during
abnormal storm tides.
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3. This area is protected from these floods by dikes south of King Street
on private property.
4. Mr. Born has shown a plan of proposed layout of wells and sanitary
system~ but failed to show elevations of structures. The land in the area
of the sanitary structures will have to be raised in some places 6' in order
to meet the requirements of the Health Department. With gentle slopes graded
from these areas, the land will not be left in its natural state as intended
by Mr. Born.
5. Because of the high level of the water table, foundation construction
must be given considerable study.
6. The town roads in this area adjacent to the subdivision are below the
safe grade for use in abnormal tides. Consideration by the town must be
given to thought of raising these roads, which were built to service the
farming area and not an all weather road for the safety of a populate~ area.
7. It is noted, that to protect the public from the problems of developing
low lands such as this, other towns have laws prohibiting subdividing of
such places.
8. Because the safety, welfare and protection of this subdivision from
abnormal storms cannot be controlled by the Town of Southold without great
expense of raising the road and buying the existing dikes or construction of
new dikes, I recommend that this subdivision be disapproved.
/s/ Lawrence M. Tuthill, P.E.
Mr. Wickham: This brings up an entirely different problem which I hadn't
foreseen but was brought to our attention. That is that the developer at
his own expense should assure safe travel to his development. In this
regard, many years ago when I was doing some diking, I applied to the Town
for permission to raise Grathwohl Road and did so at my own expense. I
think this is the sort of thing that must be faced by your developer because
I think many of us know Narrow River Road is not adequate access at times
of tidal storms.
Mr. ~oisa: The part of Orchard Street which abuts this property is no
higher. We made an inspection of the site and it almost seems to me that
those elevations do not seem quite true there. It doesn't seem right.
Mr. Olsen: I am submitting now a new minor subdivision which shows on paper
the informal ideas at the last meeting. The new minor conforms with the
area requirements and the frontage requirements except for number 4 which has
a 26.98 foot drive off of Orchard Street into lot number 4. This map bas
been approved by Robert Villa on ~arch 11~ 1974 and you will see that the
suggestion is that the westerly portion of the property comprising 4.385
acres is proposed to be donated either to the Town Natun~Preservation or the
Historical Society or a homeowners' association. This map has been signed
by the Health Department and I am also Submitting to the Planning Board a
copy of Mr. Vi 1 ' '
1 a s letter which you just read wherein he states that he
doesn't foresee that the overall ' · ~
sate would give ~undue environmental
problems. I am requesting that the Board grant approval of this minor
subdivision. You can also see on the southerly side of lot number 1 which is,
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I think~ the area that might have some natural interest. That area has
been delineated on the subdivision plan to remain in its natural state.
It is roughly forty feet wide.
Mr. Wickham: There seems to be at least three problems. Number one is
what are we going to do about the highways? I am sure you know that all
weather access to a subdivision is vitally important. Number two is there
seems to be a discrepancy between the water as shown in your test wells
as found by our engineer and we are going to have to check that up. And,
finally~ in talking with the Town Attorney it appears that the Planning
Board may require as a condition of signing the minor subdivision map that
you physically meet all the requirements of the County Board of Health
including the requirement that the finished floor elevation be seven feet.
It would seem to me it would put you to a very real hardship that you couldn't
get a final map until it was physically established.
Mr. Olsen: In Mr. Villa's letter of February 27th he states your proposal
as per our suggestion.
Mr. Wickham: We may say development approved subject to yp-ur physically
meeting these requirements.
3ir. Olsen: It would be an extreme hardship and an unnecessary burden as
long as people buying these lots know they must raise the elevations around
the pools and the elevations where the house is going to go to meet the
Health Department standards to get a building permit.
Mr. Wickham: We have said we think this property is too low and it has
been borne out.
Mr. Olsen: We have also discussed there are no minimum elevations. It is
your opinion as opposed to someone else's.
Mr. Wickham: We don't have to sign the map until you physically meet the
requirements of the County Board of Health.
Mr. Olsen: I would have to call the Town Attorney because I don't think
the Town can impose that burden. As long as the purchasers are aware it
will have to be raised in certain areas~ in those areas where the sanitary
system is and house located. The lots are certainly large enough to meet
daily living requirements.
Mr. Wickham: It has been the feeling of this Board that alot of this area
is too low and the building inspector says it can be legally filled. It
seems to me there might be some possible place for compromise where we say
if you will fill a certain percentage of each one of these lots and do it
in advance~ then you have met the physical requirements of the County Board
of Health and we will then sign the
Mr. Olsen: This is just your opinion now.
34r~. Wickham: As I see it, the attorney says the map doesn't have to be
signed until the developer meets the conditions physically of the County
Board of Health. You talk to him and we will discuss this a little bit
fur/hero My personal opinion is that I dislike intensely seeing a house
set on a hill in a low area with a very obvious hill nearby to cover the
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cesspool. If he is determined to build on this land, I am going to do all
I can to make sure it looks decent and is an asset to the community and not
a hazard to the people who buy the homes either healtbwise or accesswise or
anything else. In all sincerity and fairness, we have told you from the
first this is our opinion. We are going to use every legal handle to get
a fair break for the Town of Southold.
Mr. Moisa: About a year ago a party was interested in buying a piece of
property near the Bay and the builder had to make tests because the interested
party wanted proof and the Board of Health turned him down. I can't see
where they will approve a situation such as this where they turned one down
in similar circumstances. Something doesn't figure with me.
Mr. Olsen: All I know is wells have been dug with potable water with no
problem which meets the minimum Health Department requirements and the
Health Department has, in fact, signed this map. I will leave you one
copy signed by Robert Villa approving the subdivision.
Mr. Moisa: There is a well-driller driving a well up Orchard Street
1~000 feet and he has to drive that point down and have that water tested
every so often by the Board of Health. He is six feet two inches to water.
His first test shows he is way over in nitrate content and this land is
right adjoining and the water flows south so I don't know how this well
can read with the reading that I saw.
Mr. Olsen: The test was done before he took title to the property.
Mr. Wickham: I am not sympathetic to him. He is going to be required to
make the best deal as to the Town of Southold. This thing of access where
the dikes are on someone else's land, this is an important situation. I
would say a six foot contour graded in advance for all of these lots. If
we find two out of four that the water level is sharply different from the
elevations shown on this map then we are going to hold off for a time to
check them again. It is possible they might be six inches higher this time
of year. Then we come to the point of view of the highway and we have to
talk to the Superintendent of Highways.
It was decided to hold an Executive Meeting on March 18, 1974.
On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was
RESOLVED that the Sou/hold Town Planning Board set 7:30 p.m., Monday,
April 1, 1974 at the Town Office~ Main:Road, Southold, New York, for a public
hearing on the question of final approval of plat of property owned by Leo
Kwasneski, entitled "Sleepy Hollow", consisting of a parcel of land at
Southold, New York.
Vo~e of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Wickham, Moisa, Grebe, Raynor, Coyle.
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On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board approve the minor sub~
division map of S~nley ~.l.e~.Jes~i dated December 27, 1973 and revised January
31~ 1974 together with covenants and restrictions of property located at
Mattituck, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Wickham, Moisa, Grebe, Coyle, Raynor
On motion made by Mr. Moisa~ seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was
RESOLVED that the Southcld Town Planning Board approve the minor
subdivision map of Michael Weinstein dated October 4, 1973 and amended
November 14, 1973 t~ge~he~ wi{h"co~enants and restrictions thereon dated
February 27, 1974 of property located at "Bayview", Southold, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Wickham~ ~oisa, Coyle~ Raynor, Grebe
Mr. Raynor made a motion~ seconded by Mr. Grebe and carried to approve
the minutes of the meeting of February 20, 1974.
Mr. Coyle made a motion, seconded by Mr. Moisa and carried that the
meeting be adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,
Muriel Brush, Secretary
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