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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-08/05/1974 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS John Wlckham, Chairman Henry Moisa Alfred Grebe Henry Raynor Frank Coyle Southold Town Planning Board .=:;nUTHnLD~ L. I., N. Y. 119'71 M I N U T E S Southold Town Plaguing Board August 5, 1974 A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was held at 7:30 p.m., Monday, August 5, 1974, at the Town Clerk's Office, Main Road, Southold, New York. There were present Messrs. John Wickham, Chair an, Henry Raynor, Alfred Grebe and Frank Coyleo Absent was Henry Moisa. Soundview Acres at Orient. Richard Cron, Esq. appeared. Mr. Raynor read the notice of hearing. NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that pursuant to Section 276 of the Town Law, public hearing will be held by the Southold Town Planning Board at the Town Clerk's Office, Main Road, Southold, New York, in said Town on the 5th day of August, 1974, at 7:30 o'clock in the evening of said day on the question of the preliminary approval of the following plat: Plateof property owned by Albert E. Cinelli and Carl G. Hornwood, entitled "Soundview Acres at Orient" consisting of a parcel of land situated at Orient, Town of Southold, County of Suffolk and State of New York, bounded and described as follows: ' BEGINNING at a point on the easterly l$~e of 01d Main Road, 410.72 feet northerly along said easterly line from the curved northeasterly line of the Main (State) Road; fr'_o~_~said point of beginning ruling along said easterly line_gl Old Med~u~ Road, North 8° 31' 40" West 204.50 feet; thence North ~o 32' 50"¥e~t__125.08 feet roland formerly of Rose, now of N. Pappas; thence along -~aid last mentioned land, North 5° 44' 10" West 1172.83 feet to a monument and land of Morris; thence along said land of Morris, the following two courses and distances: (1) South 59° 10' 90" East 302.0 feet to a monument; thence (2).North 7° 4t' 30" West Planning Board ~ -2- August 5, 1974 399.00 feet to the ordinary high water mark of Long Island Sound; running thence along the ordinary high water mark of Long Island Sound, North 82° 50' East 62.94 feet to land of Orient Realty Corp.; running thence along said laud of Orient Realty Corp., South 13° 12' 10" East 1848.98 feet; running thence along land of R. Tuthill Estate, South 87° 22' 20" West 473.29 feet to the point or place of beginning. Any person desiring to be heard on the above matter should appear at the time and place above specified. Dated: July 17, 1974. BY ORDER OF THE SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD: JOHN WICXHAM, CHAIRMAN Proof of publication was presented from the Long Island Traveler - Mattituck Watchman and the Suffolk Weekly Times. The following letter was received, dated July 22, 1974 from the Highway Department. Gentlemen: The Highway Committee and I approve of the layout of the road[s). We recommend a recharge basin at the south end as more adequate drainage is needed. /s/ Raymond C. Dean Superintendent of Highways Mr. Wickham: It is customary for this board to ask to hear from anyone who wishes to speak in opposition to this subdivision. Eean Tiedke, League of Women Voters: I am asking this question for Loraine Terry who could not be here. Why the rush for this preliminary hearing? Mr. Wickham: We are right up to the deadline. Mrs. Tiedke made comments about the unimaginative layout and the roads. Mr. Wickham: The Planning Board aud particularly Henry.Moisa has gone over this Parcel and feels there is not alot of choice. Mr. Raynor: You have the best road scheme layout. Mr. Cron: It is not that big to get excited about. Mr. WiCkham: The lots are square which is preferable. Planning Board -3- August 5, 1974 Ms. Tiedke: (referring to Ms. Terry) She feels Orient is wall- to-wall developments already. This is a situation where what is going to happen to the Pappas property? M~. Wickham: Ms. Tiedke: Mr. Wickham: We have a subdivision map already. Why can't it be done on an overall basis? It is as far as highways are concerned. Mr. Coyle: Soundview Road is already in this particular piece of property, the other development connects with this. Mr. Wickham: The land slopes down in a way that has a magnificent view. With these where the lots are 190 feet wide there is going to be alot of space for the homes. I think it is going to be beautiful. Ms. Tiedke: There is no open space left. Mr. Wickham: I am not sure this is a location where ~ would want open space. It wouldn't be meaningful for agriculture. Mr. Raynor: p~yground. Ms. Tiedke: to the east? Mr. Wickham: The same thing. area has a magnificent view. but the whole thing. The prime property has been given up for park and My point is what is going to happen to the property The land slopes so that all this It isn't just the waterfront homes Ms. Tiedke: These houses are going to face the street, right? Mr. Wickham: Sure, but in Fairway Farms houses are put basically on 200 foot lots. Put a 75 foot house on it and there is a great deal of space between so the people across the street can have a good view. This is good planning. Ms. Tiedke: If you have a house here and here, this is suburbia. Mr. Cron: Now, really, if you were talking about 130 lots I could see you saying it. Ms. Tiedke: Couldn't there be a way it could be considered one area in terms of planning? Mr. Wickham: The point is there is a very real question of whether or not the asthetic interests of the people of the Town are better served by that sort of thing or by this where they are putting houses which take up only about one-third of the frontage. To me the spaciousness is something that is very ~ttractive. Mr. Cron: Merely because one lays out a subdivision doesn't mean in a year it will be all built up. People buy lots and hold on to them. Planning Board -4- ~ August 5, 1974 Mr. Coyle: What you are saying is if this guy gets it the other guys can't. That's not right. Mr. Wickham: The Planning Board feels strongly that the business of having roughly squared lots and a great deal of frontage is of prime importance on water-view subdivisions such as this. We have a difference of opinion but the Planning Board is convinced that this is good planning. Ms. Tiedke: I would guess if the property east and west were planned as a muir they would have the roads going the other way. Mr. Wickham: Ms. Tiedke: Mr. Wickham: Ms. Tiedke: We have two roads. The road will come along here eventually, right? Yes, it will all connect up. Is there any possibility ever of considering this development and that development aside from the roads? Mr. Wickham: Only by cranking it into the rules and regulations for the subdivision of laud. We can't be arbitrary. Mr. Cron: I think you have to treat each one as it comes in. When the next fellow comes in you are governed by what's here. Mr. Wickham: Is there anyone who wishes to speak in favor of this subdivision? Mr. Cron: I would hope we have met the rules and regulations and complied with the desires of the Planning Board and hope the Planning Board will grant approval. We have one problem that I wasn't aware of. (referring to Highway Dept. request for recharge basin.) It is a shame but I suppose there is nothing I can do about it. I haven't discussed it withMr. Dean. Mr. Wickham: I would say that this is less than 500 feet from the highway so it will have to be submitted to the county. If there is no one else who wishes to be heard, I will declare the hearing closed. Werner Adel~.Jr. minor. Richard Cron, Esq. appeared. ~. Cron said these are 3-1/2 to 4 acres each and they would covenant that they would not be further subdivided. Mr. Cron presented six copies of the map together with application in duplicate and fee. He was directed to send tentative covenants and restrictions to the Board. Planning Board ~, -5- - August 5, 1974 Augustus Garelle minor. Mr. Wickham told Mr. Garelle that the planning board cannot approve lots which do not conform to the zoning standards. 150 foot frontage and 40,000 square foot area is required. A minor sub- division can only contain four lots. A major subdivision will require roads be put in. The alternative is to go for a minor subdivision with oversize lots. One lot can be sold out as an occasional sale. He was advised to consult with his attorney. Otto Uhl. Mr. Uhl attempted to explain the two sketches he had made up for the Board and the letters he had sent explaining his reasoning. Mr. Wickham explained to Mr. Uhl that the Board was allowed no latitude in the ordinance which says there has to be 150 feet at the building line. Possibility of curving the road to get the extra width was discussed. Also discussed was possible 100 foot setbacks from the bank. Clifford Manning minor subdivision. The secretary was directed to write Mr. Terry, the attorney, secure a written statement about the old rights-of-way. to On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was RESOLVED that public hearing be held on August 26, 1974 on the minor subdivision of Mrs. Charles Mosback located at East Marion, New York. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Wickham, Coyle, Grebe and Raynor. On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the developer of the subdivision named"Syloret" located at Cutchogue, New York construct the recharge basin and the road in compliance with the directive of the Southold Town Superintendent of Highways. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Wickham, Coyle, Grebe and Raynor. Motion was made by Mr. Coyle, seconded byMr. Raynor and carried to approve the minutes of the meeting of July 22, 1974. Planning Board ~ -6- ~_ August 5, 1974 On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was RESOLVED that a public hearing be held on August 26, 1974 on the final map of property located at Orient, New York, and known as "Orient-by-the-Sea, Section III". Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Grebe, Coyle and Raynor. DeVoe subdivision. George Stankevich, Esq. appeared and Mr. DeVoe. Mr. DeVoe does not want any more than eight lots in this sub- division and wants to devote over five acres in the back of the property to agriculture. There was discussion about putting this area in a perpetual easement for permanent open space. This way it would be taxed as agricultural land. Mr. Wickb~m told Mr. Stankevich that the Board would want maps with two foot contours because of the lowness of the land. The Board asked to see a sample of the deed restrictions and suggested Mr. Stankevich talk to the Town Attorney about the use assessment. The Board went into executive session for a meeting with Charles Barnett of the U. S. Soil Conservation Service. There was discussion on the swale concept of highway construction and drainage. There was also discussion on water management, drainage and erosion control in subdivisions. Motion was made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Raynor and carr~d that the meeting be adjourned. Meeting was adjourned at 10:30 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Muriel Brush, Secretary ~John Wickham, Chairman