HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-09/12/2011PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
MARTIN H. SIDOR
Chair
WILLIAM J. CREMERS
KENNETH L. EDWARDS
JAMES H. RICH III
DONALD J. WILCENSKI
PLANNING BOARD OFFICE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
MAILING ADDRESS:
P.O. Box 1179
Southold, NY 11971
OFFICE LOCATION:
Town Hall Annex
54375 State Route 25
(cot. Main Rd. & Youngs Ave.)
Southold, NY
Telephone: 631 765-1938
Fax: 631 765-3136
Present were:
PUBLIC MEETING MINUTES
Monday, September 12, 2011
6:00 p.m.
Martin H. Sidor, Chairperson
William J. Cremers, Member
Kenneth L. Edwards, Member
James H. Rich III, Member
Donald J. Wilcenski, Member
Heather Lanza, Planning Director
Mark Terry, Principal Planner
Brian Cummings, Planner
Alyxandra Sabatino, Planner
Carol Kalin, Secretary
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OCT 1 9 2011
Southokl Town Clerk
SETTING OF THE NEXT PLANNING BOARD MEETING
Martin Sidor: Good evening, and welcome to the Southold Town Planning Board's
regularly-scheduled monthly Public Meeting. Our first order of business is to set
Monday, October 17, 2011 at § p.m. at the Southold Town Hall, Main Road, Southold,
as the time and place for the next regular Planning Board Public Meeting.
Donald Wilcenski: So moved,
William Cremers: Second.
Martin Sidor: Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries.
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PUBLIC HEARINGS
6:00 p.m. - Colony Pond - This proposal is for a standard subdivision of a 13.54-acre
parcel into five lots where Lot 1 = 0.8 ac., Lot 2 = 7.7 acres, including a l-acre building
envelope and 6.8 acres of preserved Open Space, and Lots 3, 4, & 5 = 0.7 acres in the
R-80 Zoning District. The property is located on the s/s/o Colony Road, approximately
470' e/o Bayview Avenue in Southold. SCTM#1000-52-5-60.3
Martin Sidor: If anyone from the audience wishes to address the Planning Board
regarding this application, please step forward, state your name and address, and print
your name and address for the record.
Charles Cuddy, Esq.: Good evening. I represent the applicant. Gene Kinsella of
Colony Pond Associates is with me and so is Jeff Butler who is the civil engineer who
composed part of the plan. I just would like to go through very briefly what we have
been through. This is an application that's been before the Board for nearly five years.
We do have a negative declaration and SEQRA. We have a non-jurisdiction letter from
the DEC. We are now able to get public water, which is what held back the application
for several years. As you know, it's 13.54 acres. We have open space that's equal to
65% or more of the area. The drainage is all on site. We think it's an appropriate
subdivision. The adjoining area is significantly buffered. As I say, Mr. Butler is here to
answer questions, Mr. Kinsella, one of the owners, is here. I would like the Board to
give preliminary approval to this. I realize there are other people here who also want to
speak, so I'll sit down.
Martin Sidor: Thank you. Anyone else from the audience?
Steve Curry, 645 Bayview Avenue: This weekend I spoke to many of my neighbors.
We, the undersigned residents of Bayview Avenue, would like to present this petition to
the Board. We wish to make known our opposition to the proposal for the Colony Pond
standard subdivision. Our concerns are that the subdivision radically alters the nature
of our neighborhood and that the development of five large houses near the
Hashamomack Pond will endanger the pond itself.
1. In the subdivision proposal, it is planned that the proposed homes are
compatible with the other homes in the area. This is not the case. The homes
on Bayview Avenue are much smaller than the proposed homes. Many of the
Bayview Avenue homes are still seasonal use homes. Others, which are year-
round residences, are small structures. The largest homes on Bayview Avenue
are in the 2,000 sq. ft. range--smaller by over 40% than the proposed homes.
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(a.) Our primary concern is the quality of Hashamomack Pond. The pond lies
within Reach 6 of the Town of Southold Local Waterfront Revitalization Program.
It is the subject of much concern in the report. The proposed subdivision lies
within Area of Special Concern 23 in the LWRP. At the time the report was
written, the pond was consistently on the DEC water problem list and on its
priority water list. Since then, there has been some improvement in the water
quality of the pond. But no one can argue that the water quality issue has been
resolved. The pond remains a fragile resource which requires careful and
thoughtful management.
(b.) The LWRP points out that Hashamomack Pond is a major coastal fishery
and wildlife area and it is a primary shellfish area. (By the way, I have spoken
also to the bay men of Southold and they would oppose this proposal as well.)
The LWRP states on Page 15: "Any activity that would further degrade the water
quality of Hashamomack Pond would adversely affect the biological productivity
of the area." The water quality concerns are septic and road runoff. Some steps
have been taken to limit runoff, although this is still an issue. The septic issue is
most profound. None of the land around the pond has good drainage. There is
a layer of clay under the topsoil that prevents deep percolation and the LWRP
recognizes that there are already too many homes on the pond. "Protection of
the pond for its shellfish resource values may still require restriction of continued
intensification of existing development along the shorelines and within its
contributing watershed." (That's on Page 29.) Adding five large homes with five
large septic systems to the immediate watershed of the pond flies in the face of
the LWRP.
Forty of us have signed this petition and I would like to present that to the Board.
Martin Sidor: Thank you. Anyone else in the audience?
Patricia Moore, Esq., 51020 Main Road, Southold: I have been retained by Mr. & Mrs.
Yaxa regarding the five-lot subdivision of the property. My client opposes this plan, as it
has been submitted, for several reasons. I have highlighted those reasons in my letter.
1. The Yaxa property is a horse farm with stables for of boarding horses. The farm is a
recognized agricultural operation located in an agricultural district and warrants
protection from intrusion of residential development. The proposed subdivision map
places the homes in close proximity to the horses. The proposed subdivision lots will
adversely impact agricultural use and create potential conflict between the farm and the
residential use. The proposed lots and eventual homes will be disturbed by the normal
activities of the farm. The farm receives deliveries from 5 a.m. throughout the day into
the evening. The residences will be impacted by the normal operations of the horse
farm: commonly dust, noise and odors of the horse farm. Mr. Condon has proposed a
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revised design of the lots which places the vegetation of the open space adjacent to the
farm. The vegetation of the subdivision open space will attenuate the noise, dust and
odors as well as provide a visual barrier between the residences and the animals. The
proposed location of the lots clustered close to the road creates an unreasonable
density adjacent to the farm and contrary to the character of the properties along
Colony Road. Presently, Colony Road is developed on the south side of the road with
Mr. & Mrs. Yaxa's home and farm on 13 acres and on the north side of the road.
Dorothy Schneider has 54 wooded acres which is the land on the preservation list. The
proposed subdivision layout does not enhance the character of the neighborhood and
adversely impacts my client's property.
2. The preliminary subdivision map cannot be developed as proposed. The entrance
to the farm is exclusively for the use of the farm and may not be used by lot owners to
access the open space. Prior to the applicant's purchase of the property, Mr. & Mrs.
Yaxa had asserted a legal claim to the road. The road was established more than 40
years ago, and was used exclusively by Mr. & Mrs. Yaxa as the access to the house
and the farm. In 2001, the applicant's predecessor in title, Jeffrey and Dale Herrick,
were placed on notice by Herbert Hass, Esq., the Yaxa's attorney at the time, that they
maintained a prescriptive easement for the road. A survey was prepared which showed
the road located 50' into the applicant's property and was an encumbrance on the
applicant's title. I've attached a copy of that survey that was prepared on behalf of the
Herrick's at the time. The applicant purchased the property with this title encroachment.
In 2002, the applicant and Yaxa agreed that the road could be located at the applicant's
expense, provided the relocated road would continue to be for the exclusive use of the
farm. This subdivision map violates this understanding.
3. The Yaxa farm entrance and road must not be incorporated into the development of
the proposed lots. The proposed map has the road running along the four proposed
parcels. The subdivision layout, as it is proposed on the map, creates liability for each
eventual lot owner, the Yaxa farm, and each horse boarder who drives the road onto
the farm. This is an actively used road with activity from early in the morning
throughout the day and into the night. A lot line change between the two properties
would resolve the encroachment and maintain the use of the road as was contemplated
between Yaxa and the developer when the road was relocated. But we don't
necessarily care whether there is a lot line change. The road was established and
cannot be incorporated into their development.
4. The walking path which is proposed running along the north side of the larger lot,
interferes with the farming operation. The Yaxa farm boards thoroughbred horses who
are extremely sensitive and do not tolerate human activity. If the subdivision is to have
an access path, it should be located on the south side of the parcel away from the
horse corrals.
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5. The proposed access path along the north side of the large lot does not access the
water. Waterfront access for the Colony Road subdivision is blocked and has been
blocked for the last 40 years. Access to the wetlands and water must come from the
south of the property. The applicant purchased the property with this encroachment.
This subdivision map disregards the fact that the path cannot reach the water and will
misrepresent to potential buyers that there is access to the water. If the developer
wishes to provide an access to the water, the access must come from the south side of
the property and not intersect with the Yaxa's path.
The woods and open space of this subdivision should be used to keep the residences
away from the farm. The proposed layout of the lots clusters the parcels on the north
side of the parcel, close to the farm and the Yaxa home. The proposed lots should be
clustered on the south side of the property where the density is already established on
Bayview Avenue. The open space should be contiguous to the adjacent farm.
Finally, the proposed layout of the subdivision does not conform to the existing site
conditions and topography of the property. We asked John Condon, Professional
Engineer, to analyze the drainage conditions here on the site. Mr. Condon has
determined that this subdivision will exacerbate the flooding which is already a problem
on Colony Drive. The proposed lots are being developed in a Iow area which are
subject to flooding; these lots will require fill to be developed, which will result in further
exacerbation of the poor drainage conditions. The Condon's lot layout places the lots
out of harm's way and addresses the drainage of the area with a properly designed
catch basin. I have attached to my letter Mr. Condon's report, which I am going to ask
him to come up momentarily and highlight for you.
My client does not oppose subdivision of this parcel as long as the design of the
subdivision is done responsibly. The subdivision should respect their use and
enjoyment of their residence, the farm, and address the storm water drainage problems
in the Condon report.
If my client is forced to enforce their established rights and encumbrances, the
subdivision map will not comply with the yield requirements. The original road and area
of land north of the road as well as the encroachments at the south end of the property
would be excluded from buildable area calculation and reduce the maximum yield of the
subdivision, so five lots would not be possible.
We respectfully request that this preliminary map be denied and a new layout of the lots
be proposed which does not adversely affect the farm, acknowledges the exclusive use
of the farm road, and respects the Yaxa's access in the area of the wetlands.
Moreover, the preliminary map must address the flooding and drainage problems
highlighted by Mr. Condon. My client is ready to work cooperatively with the developer
to approve a subdivision which enhances the area, enjoyment of the open space,
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reduces the overall cost of the drainage systems and improve the value of the
properties.
I will ask Mr. Condon to come up and go over his report, and we ask you to please
consider the points that we've made. Thank you.
Donald Wilcenski: Pat, I have one question: how many horses do the Yaxa's typically
have on the farm?
Patricia Moore: Ten.
Donald Wilcenski: Thank you.
John Condon, Engineer: I was retained by the Yaxas to go to their property and the
neighboring property where the proposed subdivision is to be built. I made two site
visits on August 18 and September 8 to look at the existing conditions. Mr. Yaxa
provided some photos of some of the previous flooding that occurred back last March
2010. They are attached to my report along with a plan showing the approximate
location showing where the photos were taken. We found that the approximate area
tributary to the Iow area on Yaxa's property is about 17.4 acres. We calculated about
9.8 acres originating from where the proposed subdivision to the west. The original on
the subdivision plan we found that the drainage provided for 2" rainfall with a tributary
area of approximately 2.3 acres, which is much less than the 9.8 we calculated.
Currently, the proposed lots are clustered near Colony Road with three of the lots along
the Yaxa property line, which is near the Iow area. We recommend that the lots be--
Attachment A has a schematic layout of what we are looking for lots. The way the lot
played out--the grade is higher on the western side of the lots than it is along the Yaxa
property line. This will help reduco the lots would be at a higher elevation. It will be
easier to put in the sanitary systems--it will be a higher grade and reduce the need for
retaining walls. If the lots are placed along the Yaxa property line, the road coming in
around the highest point along Colony Road would result in steeper grades along that
property line and higher runoff coefficient from storm water coming off those lots onto
the Yaxa property. We came up with some recommendations: we recommend that the
recharge basin B be installed. It's Attachment C on our report. That would be placed
along the east side of the proposed subdivision road. We have it located right where
there's a natural swale that runs towards the Yaxa property, which would catch most of
the runoff from the subdivision. I showed two alternatives for the recharge basin.
Either for a 2" rainfall or a 6" rainfall. The capacities of 21,800 Cu. Ft. or 42,800 Cu. Ft.
We also recommend that they consider the storm water flowing from the adjacent
properties along Bayview Avenue. Thank you.
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Martin Sidor: Thank you. Is there anyone else in the audience who wishes to address
the Planning Board?
Irene Vanderschuyt, 975 Bayview Avenue, Southold: Good evening, Mr. Chair and
members of the Planning Board. My concerns for the proposed subdivision of the plat
known as Colony Pond are as follows: The Town of Southold has taken great
measures to preserve its land, so why isn't the land being developed as a typical R-80
zoning? When I asked this, I was told that the building could also be clustered if the
land could be developed according to R-80. However, this triangularly-shaped,
marginally buildable piece of property would be hard pressed to be able to build five R-
80 lots with a conventional road. If it were developed using a common driveway or
flagstaffing, emergency vehicles such as fire trucks and ambulances would have a
difficult time trying to serve the residents living there. This land also contains tidal
wetlands. Were these wetlands counted as part of the two-acre zoning requirement for
R-80 development and according to the DEC's Article 25, Tidal Wetlands, was a 300'
buffer subtracted from the proposed plot before conforming to R-80 zoning? Also, has
the DEC issued a permit regarding the existing easement or road which is shown to
extend to the wetlands and is proposed to be changed from a 10' road to a 4'
unimproved natural access path, which would serve the people of Colony Pond giving
access to a delicate, already overburdened Hashamomack Pond wetland which is
adjacent to the protected Peconic Land Trust. Lot #2 has a building envelope of one
acre which is not shown on the map. Does this mean in reality we are looking at six
buildable lots? That could not conform to the conventional R-80 unless Lot #6 were
built on the wetlands as waterfront property. Just a quick note--Lot #2 which equals
7.7 acres with a one-acre building envelope, so 6.7 acres, not 6.8 acres would be
preserved by Lot #2 as open space. Thank you.
Martin Sidor: Is there anyone else in the audience?
Jeffrey T. Butler, P.E.: Members of the Board, I just want to point out a few things
about the storm water design. It's been designed in accordance with the Town Code
and also in accordance with the August 2010 New York State Storm Water Design
Manual as administered and published by the DEC. We are not proposing any
elevated sanitary systems on this site. We have about 10-1/2' to ground water where
the test hole was taken on Lot #2. I believe that the flooding that Mr. Condon has
referred to in the pictures were from March 2010. Ithink we all can remember what
storm event we had in March 2010. We had some poor soils which allow standing
water to stay and not penetrate down into ground water. As I said, the design of the
storm water system for this site and the proposed roadway, houses and all permeable
surfaces, takes that into account and penetrates that if it exists where
these structures are going in to comply with both the Southold Town Code and the NYS
DEC's Storm Water Management Plan. I am here to answer any other questions you
might have.
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Martin Sidor: Thank you.
Charles Cuddy: If I may just have a moment of rejoinder, as I understand it, one group
would prefer that we have nothing there and the other group would prefer that they
redesign our subdivision. I think that the answer to those who would like nothing there,
I think that we've designed the subdivision that's appropriate to the area. I would note
that if there are 40 people that signed the petition, those people have septic systems
themselves. If any cause for alarm is raised, I think that's probably a good cause right
there, but we don't think we are adding any significant addition to a problem that they
rely on here. I think that our subdivision will be approved by the Health Department.
We are going to have public water, we are going to have septic systems that are
approved. In answer to Ms. Moore's discussion, I would point out to you that yes, there
was an agreement--and I will make it part of the record--between the Yaxas and the
Colony Pond Associates to use an area that is shown on the map just as it's shown. I
don't think it was to be used exclusively. We can discuss that and also discuss the 10'
easement that goes back further towards the wetlands area. But, as far as we are
concerned, we did design an appropriate subdivision, we think our engineer designed it
appropriately, we think that it is clustered properly and we ask that it be approved.
Again, I would like to end up with this March 14, 2002 letter which specifies what the
easement is for.
Martin Sidor: Anyone else in the audience wishing to address the Planning Board?
Any questions from the Planning Board? We have also had some correspondence.
Heather Lanza: There have been several letters and they will be made part of the
record as well--and will be considered.
Martin Sidor: What is your favor?
Donald Wilcenski: I make a motion we close the hearing.
William Cremers: Second.
Martin Sidor: Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries. Thank you.
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6:02 p.m. - Estate of Antone GriRonis - This proposal is for an 80/60 clustered
Conservation Subdivision on 21.5978 acres of land (SCTM#1000-55-1-5.1 and 1000-
55-2-8.5) into seven (7) lots where Lot 1 = 43,904 sq. ft., Lot 2 = 40,001 sq. ft., Lot 3 =
40,604 sq. ft., Lot 4 = 55,211 sq. ft. inclusive of a 13,364 sq. ft. r-o-w, Lot 5 = 7.33 acres
and is proposed to be preserved through a Sale of Development Rights to Suffolk
County; Lot 6 = 9.45 acres and is proposed to be preserved through a Sale of
Development Rights to Suffolk County; Lot 7 = 30,000 sq. ft. and will be dedicated to
the Town of Southold for drainage purposes. The properties are located on the west
and east sides of Young's Avenue, south of Old North Road in Southold. SCTM#1000-
55-1-5.1 & 55-2-8.5
Martin Sidor: Anyone in the audience who wishes to address the Planning Board
regarding this application, please step forward, state your name and address, and write
your name and address for the record.
Alison & Scott Latham, 1755 Old North Road: We just really kind of have a couple of
questions regarding the lots that are being sold to the County for development rights.
What the terms are of that--in the proposed Covenants and Restrictions on those lots
that are to be preserved we see that they cannot have any residential structures built.
Our question is: what can be built?
Scott Latham, 1755 Old North Road: It is our understanding that the Town bought it.
Farm land means one thing to the Town and Open Space might mean something
different to the County.
Martin Sidor: I believe they are pretty similar, but I think it's contractual between the
landowner and the County.
Alison Latham: OK. The other thing was just the dedication of Lot #7 I think it is to the
Town for drainage purposes. We would just like to express our desire that a true
proper sump be built, because right now and for many, many years now there has just
been a huge hole that is not fenced in that children can fall into~a small child could
drown when it's full. So we would really like to see a proper sump built there with
fencing and landscaping.
Martin Sidor: That would be the Town Engineer and I believe that is his intent. That is
definitely one of the advantages of this subdivision.
Scott Latham: We just want to make sure that--sometimes things get lost in the shuffle
here in Town. That sump is truly needed. The folks who live right across the street--on
a good rain like the March storm they were talking about in the last one--they were
underwater.
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Martin Sidor: I've driven back there many times. It's not that March storm that's
needed to flood that area. It's basically any rain over an inch or whatever.
Alison Latham: We have no opposition--just questions.
Martin Sidor: OK. Thank you.
Kenneth Edwards: I think your concerns are well taken. They are recorded in the
minutes.
Martin Sidor: Is there anyone else?
Robert Griqonisl Principal Contractor: As far as the questions from the Lathams, I will
check with Suffolk County, but I believe you can put up farm buildings--not residential
buildings. I think they limit it to one building for each property, but it has been five years
since we talked about it. I will contact them and ask them to give you something written
of how that works. As far as the sump area--that 30,000 sq. ft.--Jamie Richter, the
Town Engineer, has designed a shallow sump with a berm around the perimeter of it
and landscaped with some sort of trees and bushes so it flows into the landscape and
isn't noticeable. Mr. Richter probably has more details on that. I would talk to him to
get more details on that also. ~, ·
Martin Sidor: Does that answer?
Scott Latham: Our concern was not the intention of the Grigonis' and the Haymans.
We just want to make sure that all right, the Town has gotten this property that they
follow up by actually putting the sump in. That's all.
Kenneth Edwards: Was one of your concerns that the 50' be fenced?
Scott Latham: That is one of the concerns, but that it actually just gets done. Because
what the Town has done for the 12 years we've been there is--I don't know how it
started--whether they just took a loader down there and scooped it out one day to
alleviate a problem that occurred one time. But it's become a de facto sump that the
Town periodically comes in and scoops out the silt so that it will drain, but they never
put a fence around it. So, it was my argument that they have taken liability for this by
cleaning it, but they haven't put a fence around it and there's a lot of kids in the
neighborhood and they could get injured. I'm not concerned that Bob's not going to
give or sell it to them--I just want to make sure that the Town actually follows through
and puts it in.
Ken Edwards: I understand--you just want to see it completed and done right.
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Scott Latham: Yes. Right now it's just ground level and then it dips off. A car could
disappear in there. That's what we are concerned about.
Martin Sidor: I would also add whether it be the County or the Town--Heather, correct
me if I'm wrong--when you sell the development rights they may be somewhat different
but they are very, very similar.
Heather Lanza: Yes, they are very similar.
Martin Sidor: So that would not cause any kind of concern.
Roberl Gri.qonis: I'd like to say one other thing for Scott: I believe the Town is very
interested in proceeding with that sump because they have a lot of complaints of the
water in that area, so I think they are ready to move on it.
Martin Sidor: Thank you. Any other questions from the public? Hearing none ......
William Cremers: I make a motion we close the hearing.
James Rich: Second.
Martin Sidor: Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries. Thank you.
SET HEARINGS
Mellas and Smith - This proposed Lot Line Change will transfer 9,626 sq. ft. from
SCTM#1000-79-6-4.6 to SCTM#1000-79-6-29. Lot 29 will increase from 15,000 sq. ft.
to 24,626 sq. ft., and Lot 4.6 will decrease from 96,747 sq. ft. to 87,121 sq. ft. Lot 29 is
located in the R-40 Zoning District and Lot 4.6 is located in the A-C Zoning District. The
properties are located at 935 Jacobs Lane & 340 Colonial Road in Southold.
Kenneth Edwards: Mr. Chairman I will offer the following resolution:
WHEREAS, this proposal will transfer 9,626 sq. ft. from SCTM#1000-79-6-4.6 to
SCTM#1000-79-6-29. Lot 29 will increase from 15,000 sq. ft. to 24,626 sq. ft., and Lot
4.6 will decrease from 96,747 sq. ft. to 87,121 sq. ft. Lot 29 is located in the R-40
Zoning District and Lot 4.6 is located in the A-C Zoning District; be it therefore
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RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board sets Monday, October 17, 2011
at 6:00 p.m. for a public hearing regarding the map dated June 1,2011 prepared by
John C. Ehlers, Land Surveyor.
William Cremers: Second.
Martin Sidor: Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries.
G.W. Meade Farm ~ This site plan is for the proposed construction of a 5,200 sq.ft.
home barn connecting to a 14,400 sq. ft. indoor arena for the keeping/breeding/raising
and training of horses and a riding academy with 10 parking spaces. Also on the
property are a 1,140 sq. ft. single-family dwelling, a 1,965 sq. ft. frame barn and a 700
sq. ft. frame building. The property is located at 1375 Ackerly Pond Lane, 1,100'+ w/o
Lower Road and Ackerly Pond Lane, Southold. SCTM#1000-69-5-7.1
William Cremers: Mr. Chairman, I will offer the following:
WHEREAS, this proposal is for the construction of a 5,200 sq. ft. home barn connecting
to a 14,400 sq. ft. indoor arena for the keeping/breeding/raising and training of homes
and a riding academy with 10 parking spaces. Also on the property are a 1,140 sq. ft.
single-family dwelling, a 1,965 sq. ft. frame barn and a 700 sq. ft. frame building; be it
therefore,
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board sets Monday, October 17, 2011
at 6:02 p.m. for a public hearing regarding the map prepared by John T. Metzger,
Peconic Surveyors, P.C. dated May 31,2011 and last revised June 27,2011.
Donald Wilcenski: Second.
Martin Sidor: Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries.
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OTHER
DENIAL:
Sherwood House Vineyards - This site plan is for the proposed construction of two
patios, one of brick at 160 sq. ft. and the other a cedar deck at 490 sq. ft. for an outdoor
wine tasting area that will include a 4,453 sq. ft. gravel parking lot with a connecting
paved footpath. The property is located at 2600 Oregon Road, +/- 460' w/o Elijah's
Lane in Mattituck. SCTM#1000-100-4-5.3
James Rich: Mr. Vice Chairman, I will offer the following resolution:
WHEREAS, this site plan is for the proposed creation of an outdoor wine tasting area,
including the construction of two patios, one of brick at 160 sq. ft. and the other a cedar
deck at 490 sq. ft. and a 4,453 sq. ft. gravel parking lot with a connecting paved
footpath; and
WHEREAS, the applicant submitted an application for site plan review on April 15,
2011; and
WHEREAS, at their Work Session on May 9, 2011, the Planning Board accepted the
application for formal review; and
WHEREAS, on May 18, 2011, the Planning Board, pursuant to Southold Town Code
§280-131 C., distributed the application to the required agencies for their comments;
and
WHEREAS, this action is exempt from Suffolk County Planning Commission referral
pursuant to the inter-municipal agreement between the SCPC and the Town of
Southold which states: site plan applications proposing less than 5,000 square feet of
new or renovated floor area or less than 10,000 square feet of land disturbance should
not be subject to referral; and
WHEREAS, on June 3,2011, the applicant submitted revised maps as requested by
the Planning Board; and
WHEREAS, on June 27,2011, a Work Session was held where comments from referral
agencies and revised maps were discussed; and
WHEREAS, on June 29, 2011, the Planning Board sent a letter to the applicant
detailing the outstanding issues that remained to be resolved with the site plan; and
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WHEREAS, on July 11,2011, a public hearing on this application was held and closed
by the Planning Board; and
WHEREAS, on July 11,2011, the applicant submitted revised maps; and
WHEREAS, on July 25, 2011, a Work Session was held where the Planning Board
reviewed the revised plans submitted on July 11,2011 and determined that several
issues remained unresolved, including the following:
Parkinq: The Planning Board required 35 spaces to be provided, with as many
on site as possible (parking on Oregon Road at this location is not safe due to
the narrow pavement width and tractor and truck traffic from the busy agricultural
operations surrounding the area). The revised plan showed 18 spaces, with 35
"overflow parking spaces" provided, along with a lease, on the property across
the street. It was determined that accessory parking is not allowed in the A-C
Zone without the principal use being located on the same property, thus the
Planning Board found that the site plan was still short at least 17 spaces.
Agricultural Fueling or Filling Area: The Planning Board noted that there was a
nearby utility building that appeared to be either a fueling or chemical filling
station and requested the applicant to explain the activities, if any, that occurred
there as well as provide any necessary safety precautions to prevent their
patrons from interacting with any dangerous substances or being threatened with
potential explosions. The application is still lacking any explanation to satisfy this
request of the Planning Board.
Evergreen Buffer: The Planning Board was concerned with the health and
welfare of the occupants of the nearby residence. They required that an
evergreen buffer be installed between the parking lot and the property line to
mitigate noise and disturbance.
Pool Fence: The Planning Board expressed concern for the safety of patrons
near a pool with a fence that is decaying and does not meet the Town Code and
the Uniform Fire Prevention & Building Code for pool fences. With that in mind,
they require the applicant to bring the pool fence up to required standards and
obtain a Certificate of Occupancy prior to completing the review of this site plan
application. The applicant has not yet submitted the Certificate of Occupancy to
the Planning Board.
Violation of the Development Rights Easement: The Planning Board was made
aware that the applicant continued to operate their retail wine tasting area within
the Town's Development Rights Easement on the subject property, an activity
that the easement prohibits and that is a violation of the Town Code. In the
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alternative to denying the site plan application as permitted under §280-131(M),
the Planning Board required that they cease their operation in the easement
area prior to completing the review of this site plan application. The applicant
continues to operate in the easement area and to violate the Town Code; and
WHEREAS, on August 2,2011, the Planning Board issued a letter informing the
applicant that they would suspend review of the site plan application until existing code
violations were remedied. The letter also put the applicant on notice that the Planning
Board was reserving the right to deny the application pursuant to §280-131(M) of the
Town Code. The Planning Board allotted a thirty (30) day period to receive notification
from the applicant that the two code violations noted in numbers four and five above
were corrected; and
WHEREAS, on September 2, 2011, the allotted thirty (30) day period expired with no
remedy of the existing violations and no response to the Planning Board from the
applicant regarding the violations; therefore be it
RESOLVED, that the Southold Town Planning Board hereby denies the site plan
application entitled "Sherwood House Vineyards." This denial is without prejudice and
the record may be re-opened and an amended decision issued upon the applicant's
written request to the Planning Board and notification from the applicant that the
violations set forth herein have been remedied.
Kenneth Edwards: Second the motion.
Donald Wilcenski: All in favor?
Kenneth Edwards, William Cremers, James Rich, Donald Wilcenski: Ayes.
Donald Wilcenski: Motion carries.
Martin Sidor: For the record, I recused myself because they are a neighbor.
APPROVAL OF PLANNING BOARD MINUTES
Martin Sidor: Motion needed to approve the minutes of: August 8, 2011.
William Cremers: So moved.
Donald Wilcenski: Second.
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Martin Sidor: Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries. Does anyone on the Planning Board or staffwish to put
anything on the record? Hearing none, do I have a motion to adjourn?
Donald Wilcenski: So moved.
James Rich: Second.
Martin Sidor: Motion made and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor?
Ayes.
Martin Sidor: Motion carries. This meeting is closed.
There being no further business to come before the meeting, it was ADJOURNED at
6:40 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Linda Rand~ph, TranScribing Secretary
Martin H. Sidor, Chair
RECEIVED
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