HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-03/21/1972 PLANNING BOARD
MEMBERS
John Wickham, Chairman
Henry Molsa
Alfred Grebe
Henry Raynor
Frank Coyle
Southold Town Planning Board
SDLITHDLD~ L. I., N. Y. 119'71
MINUTES
........ BOAR~
Narch 21, 1972
A regular meeting 0~ the Scuthold Town Planni~g Boar~ was
held at 7:30 P.N., Tuesday, March 21, 1972, ai the Tow~Offiee
Main Street, Sou%hold, New York.
There were present: Messrs: John Wickham, Ohai~; Henry
Moisa, Vice-Cha~; He~ Ray~or; ~e~W Coyle; Alfred Grebe.
Also present: Howar~ Te~ Buiiding I~s~eeto~
VICE--CHAIR~LiN MOISA: It is7.3' 0 P.~., I will. new call this
meeting to order.
Vtee-Chairms~Noi~a read the legal ~o~ice of hearing as
follows:-
NOTICE IS H~EBY GIVi~ tha~purs~aat to Seetio~ 276 of the
Tow~ i~w, a public hear~g will be held by the Southold To~
Plan~ing Board a~ the Town Office, ~ai~ Road, Southold~ New York~
South01d Town Pl~g Board
~March 21, 197~
in said Town on the 21sS day of ~aroh 1972, at 7:BO o'clock
tl~e evening of s~id day, on the questiom of approval of the
fol 1 owing pla~:
lo Plat of property owned by Henry L. Fleet, entitle~
"Pequash Acres", consisti~g of ~ parcel of land of 6.161
acres, situated a~Cutcho~e, in the Town of Southold,
Suffolk County, New York, a~d boarded and described as
follows:
BEGINN~;G at a point on the easterly li~e of Fleet's
Neck Road~ at the southerly corner of l~d now or formerly
of G. Fiore, which point is al~o the westerly corner of
the premises herein described; ru~ming thence along the
said land of G. Fiore ~ud la~d of the Estate of H~d NorT~
~6 degrees 2~ minute~ O0 seconds Eas~, ~92.20 feet to the
westerly line of Track ~hence along the
s~id westerly line of Track South ~4 degrees 42
minutes ~0 seconds E~st ~9BoB6 feet~ ru~ing thence alon~g
land of Rynie~ and ~abel the followimg two courses:
South 4~ degrees ~2 minutes 40 seconds East 189.1~ feet
and (2) Somth 42 degree, s 2~ m~utes O0 seconds Eas~ $8,93
feet to the nortt~erly line of Stillwater Avenue; z~uing
thence along the said northerly line of Stillwa~.er Aven~e
South 50 degrees 55 ~hmutes l0 seconds West 20.12 feet to
land now or formerly of Primavera; ~ning thence along
the sai& l~d now or formerly of Pri~avera the ~ollowing
three courses ~nd distances: (1) North ~7 degrees 21
minutes ~0 seconds West 66.81 ~eet, (2) North ~5 degrees
37 minutes l0 seconds West 75,00 fee~ ~ud (~) South
degrees 19 ~utes 50 seconds Wes~ 328.00 feet to the
said easterly line of Fleet's Neck Ro~d; ru~-~uing thence
along the said easterly line of Fleet!s Neck Read the
following two courses and distances~ (1) North 50 degrees
16 minutes 30 seconds Wes~ 317.71 feet and (2) North' ~5
degrees 28 minutes 20 seconds West ~84.52 feet to the
point of BEGINNING. Containing 6 o 161 acre~.
The Vice-Chairms~ ~lso read the ~ffidavits attesting
its publication in T~he Long Island Traveler-M~tt~tuck
~.~d the Suffolk Weekly Times.
ViCE-o?DiIR~ANNOISA: have here ~a ~he fzle ~he
Certification ofApprov~ l~em the Health'Dept., dated
February 15, 1972. Being that there are no hi~hway~ to~
be construoted¥ we have nothing from the Supt. of Highways.
ViC~-CHA!~f~ MOISA: Is there anyone present who wishes
to spe~k in opposition to this subdivisio~
Mr. JOh~ Cain. and Mr. ~alter Fried, both of C~ehogue,
asked t~ inspee~ the map. No eppositiom was raised.
VICE-C~&IR~&AN NOiSA: Is there anyone present wh~ wishes
~o spe~ in favor of this subdivisio~
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RUDOLPH BREWER, ATTO~'ET: Yes. i am the attorney aotimg
for~. He~Flee~ I would like to repea~ just about every-
thing that I said at the prior meeting. And I hereby request
that approval be granted to this subdivision.
Upon inspecting the map, He~y Raynor observed that there
were no topographies shown on the map.
PETER HELENgKi, Cutcho~ae: If this subdivision is approved,
what lype of constr~ction will go on the lots?
VI CE-~r~LiI~IN:
~ .~ ~HEL~S~i:
VICE-0HAIRN~.N:
Are yea referring to the type of zoning?.
Yes.
It will be residential.
RB~0LPH B~ER, ATTORN~: It will have to eonform with the
requirements of the Zoning0r~i~_~ee.
PET~L~ HEL~:~SEi: Wil~ it be m~ltiple dwellings or apartments?
VICE-CHAIRIi~I: It will net be ~liple dwellings or apartments.
It will be one family dwellings only.
Discussion was held in reference to there being no.: topographies
on the map.
CHAI~LiN: In view of the fact that there are no highways to
be constr~.cted d~u this subdivision, I will make a motion that the
provision for topographies be waivered.
Om motion by ~. ~iekham, seconded by Nr. Ccyle, it was
RESOLV~ that the Southold To~aPlanRingBoard waiver the
requirement for topographies to be ~shown on the final maps of
the proposed ~abdivision to be k~own as ~Pequash Estates~,
property situated at Cutchogae, New York, owned by Henry L,
Fleet.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Nessrs: Wickh~_w% ~oisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
On motion by N~. Raynor, seconded by Nr. Wickham, it was
RESOLV~ that the Southold ~ow~Pl~uimg Board table
determination on the above described proposed subdivisiom
for f~ther deliberation of the Board.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: Nessrs: Wiokham, Noisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
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Irving ~. Price, Attorney and ~r. Walter Uhl appeared before
the Pl~.~ing Bo~rd i~ response to the Planning Bo~rd's letterer
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ebruary 8, 1972 regarding the subdivision"Orient-By-The-Sea,
Section".
The Chairman read the Ptar~ing Board's letter of February
8, 1972 to Nr0 Uhl.
THE CMAIP~: With reference to your letter of J~nu~ry
28, 1972, the informatio~ieh you state in this letter is
erroneous. We did not waiver the Derformance bond, we gave
you 90 days to post a perform~uce bond. We have learned a
lesson since that time, we don't approve a subdivisiom~nlems
the roads are completed or a performance bend is accepted by
the Town Board.
~e Ohairm~ read the Pl~uing Board's letter of October
5, 1961 ~e the Southe~d Tow~ Board advising them that final
approval was granted ,n the basis that if dedication of ~the
highways to the Tow~ of Southold i~ not completed within 90
days from this date, a performance bond will be required for
their comple~ion. ~he Chairman re~d letter of June 6~ 1961,
received fromm. Ukl's ~ttoZ~ey, George A. ~c~amm~, Jr.~
co~¢erning the amount of the performance ~end. The Chairm~
read the Planning Board's letter of J~ue 12~ 1961 to ~. Uhl
~o~cerning the location of the road to the Sound~ The 0hairman
read the Plamuing Bo~rd's letter of December 28, 1960 requesting
advice on the procedure ef performsnce bond~. The Ch~irm~m~
read letter of DeCember 9, 1960 received from ~oodhollew Prop.,
Ino George E. B~Shmann, concerning ~' ~ '~
.- the m~s~all~tmo~ of ~ecessary
roads ~d improvement~ud dates for completion of s~e. North
Sea Drive and Sou~dview Road are the only two ro~ds that have
been completed and dedicated to the Town. The Ch~irma~ read
the Plaguing Board'S letter of June 2~, 1961 to George A.
Jr., ~ttorney concerning the performs~ce bo~d. At the time of
the~heari~gin 196t~ the total perforce bond was set ~for
$$1,600.00, if North Sea Drive ~ud Soundview &venue were accepted
by the Tov~prio~ to the issuance of a perform~ee bond the
estimate for the total rema~ing work would be $23,$00.00. On
~arch 23, 1962 the Planning Board sent letter to George
~¢N~ Jr. advising him that a performance bond had not yet
been costed for the completion of the roads in "Orient-By-The-
Sea, ~ection2" in compliance with the Highway Specification.
THE CHaLICeS: Your first attorney was Frolich. As I
recall, he advised you that the Town could not require certain~
things ~u, e took it up with the Town Attorney who advised
us that we could. In view of what B~s happened~ it appears
t~t you have not been very cooperative.
~. UHL: I thimk wha~ you are referrinE to is the 100 ft.
going to the Soun&~ In regard to the performance bond. 'We
ha~ not received any correspondence from you since 1961-1962,
up u~tit the time that we received this letter from you several
months ago~ We have no objections to posting a perforce
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bond. We just were not aware that a performance bond was
required, our attorney did not advise us of this requirement°
T~E CHAiRmAN: Your bigges~ problem is the fact that this
is ne~ a~ approved subdivisioE, u~der the ~resent Zoning Ordinance.
ben the Zoning Ordinance was. amended ~here~ere about 6 or 8
subdivisions which were not included on the approved list because
of m~uy factors. One factor being that these roads were not
completed or bonded. You have a subdivisioH~ but notching has
been done. You did not somplete the required roads a~d improve-
ments ~d you did not submit a perforce bond for them. Also
you did not sell the necessary percentage of lots as required
or reeommemded by the Sk~ffolk County Health Dept. They say that
the Tow~ is ~llowed to,review ~ subdivisiem if a cer~m.~ number
of lots rema~ unsold. You did no~ meet the~sT~zd~ds which were
rose-mended to us by the County. The require~ perform~.~¢e bond
has not bee~posted ~ud we have instructed the Building Inspector
not to issue a~y building peri, ts on lots in this sectio~ of your
subdivision.
~HE OHAiRNAN: ~e h~ve asked you to come down here, ~r. Ohl,
because this is not an open and closed case. This is not an approved
subdivisio~ On the other ha~d, some of these 'roads were constructed
and dedicated amd there is no reason that this p~r~ of the subdivisioE
ea~ot be accepted. However, the rem~inimg section that is not
finished is another story. ~e m~ght reoommemt to the Town Bo~rd that
the p~rt of the subdivisio~on the dedicated highways be accepted,
but this is ~s f~r as we cam go. This mea~s that yo~ will not only
have to meet the 40,000 sq. ft. requirement, but also the h~ghway
specifications.
~E. UHL: I don't ~ntend to increase the lots to 40,000
ft. I never received copies of ~y correspondence with the Tow~
from~y'lawyer a~d I was not aware that a performance B~nd was
required.
iRVING~I~. PRIOE, JR.~ ATTOP~IB~: I am an attorney at law
with offices at 232 N~in Street, Greenport~ N.Y. ~. Uhl~ is
appearing ~ere tonight in response to two letters written by
Mr. Jo2mWiek~am, ~irman of the Southold To~ Pl~-~g
Beerd ~ted J~ l~, 1972 ~d Peb~ 8~ 1972. A re~omse
to the firs~ letter w~s sent by ~r. ~l o~ d~e of Jan~a~ 28,
1972. ~e~b~jeet~tter~ as sho~by these le~ters~ is a
s~teme~ B~Nr. '~i~ to the effee~ t~ if~. ~-dees
mo~ appear at the Pl~g Be~d meet~ o~Peb~ 7, 1972
ae~mem.~ o~d be e~en ~o n~lify the sub~sio~: ~e ~p to
approved subdivis±o~. As to the 1971 Zoning O~ce of the
Town of Southold wherever, certain subdivisio~lots amd m~ps were
excepted from the provisions· of the 1971 monmn~ * ~ ~ 0rdin~uce, we
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~l of the mpproved subdivisiom m~ps, but specifically to tkat
of' Marion I~anor which was filed before the Town had a~y Zoning
0rdin~uce_at all. This s~bdivisio~, was grouted ~pprov~ from
the Town Board, and i~ther exoeoted from the 1971 Zoning
Ordin~oe~ and it never complied~with .any Zoning Ordinance im~
the Town of Southold. I call attentio~ to the faa~ that the
map of ~'0rient-By-The-Sea, See. II was approved by the Southold
Tow~ Pl~uning Bo~rd on October 3~ 196t. As te the fae~ that no
performance bo~d has been posted, we regretfully s~hmit that the
correspondence from the Planning Board to the former attormey
was not received by the applicant. ~e czll attention to the
letter writte~ to the ~nairm~ by ~r. Bus~arnm asking that
cer~a~ requirements be waivered because they were going to
farm the l~d. This letter was never ~mswered by the Planning
Board. Also, from ~he letters read, no amount for a performance
bond was ever set. There w~s a letter which contained an esti~m~te
by the ~ow~ E~g~-~eer and suggestion that a proposal be submitted,
but nothing was ever done on this matter.- I~stly, some of these
roads have been const~cted and dedicated, and the remainder of'
them are under contract to be completed.
THE' OHAI~: Although correspondence was with the attorney,
George A. Ne~nn, Jr., on date of'October 5, 1961, a copy of this
letter was sent to ~. ~alter Uhl.
The Chairmm~ read letter of October 5, 1961 which stated
that the Seuthold Town Pla~g Board had passed ~ resolutiom
zt their meet~ug on October ~, 1961 granting approval to ~'0rient-
By-The-Sea, Sec. II" on the basis that if dedication of the
highways to the To~ of Southold is not ~Completed within 90 days
from October 3, 1961, a performauce bond for their
will be required.
T~ CHAIP~: From our point of view, we brought to your
attention the fact that approval was ~bjeot to the posting of
a performs~ce bond.
~R. PRICE: The lots were not sold anyway, if the roads
had been completed at tha~ time~ they would not have beck, accepted
for dedicatio~by~the Town because they did not have the required
amount of ~ssesse~ v~lua%ion.
same date of Septem~ber 24, ~97t (shortly after the posting of
the notice of hearing for '-t~he ~e~dmen~s to theZZoning Ordinance)
So~thold?
NH, UHL: Yes, I do.
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T~M C~L6IP~D2~: You realize that your problem'lies with the
Town Board, not the Planning Board? The Planning Board h~s no
authority to alter or waiver ~.uy of the requirements of approval~
~IR. L~HL: B~t the Planning Board se~ the requirements.
H~Y RATNOR: The standards were Jointly set by the Town Board
and the Pla~i~g Board.
~q. PRICE: ~Vhen you have one subdivisio~map in theTo~a~
of Southold tha~ never complied wi~hany Zoning Ordinance, and
them you take ~his subdivisiomm~p ~nich was ~oprovedunder the
Zoning 0rdinanoe in 1961 SA~d except it from the present Zoning
0rdin~ce, I say this is discriminatory. I know'~'that the s~b-
divisio~ map of M~rion ~ianor was not approved under any Zoning
Ordinance because I filed the m~p a~d there were no specifications.
~RY RAYNOR: Do you feel very strongly that the $0,000
sq. ft. requiremen~ would entail substantial hardship?
PRICE: Yes, I do.
H~RYP~_~NOR: 0nwhat basis?
~Lq. PRICE: It would be a fina~cia~hardship. This is an
investment, it would mean less lots.
PJ3~TR¥ ~YNOR: ~r. 5%1, most of these lots in Section II
were laid out i~ 20,000 sq. ft., do you feel that it would be
a hardship if ~ou went to $0,000 sq. ft.?
~. UML: Yes, I do. I feel that it wo~]d be a tremendous
hardship.
~IRYRAYNOR: ~5~a~ is your feeling about the highway
specifications?
~. Dq~L: I have contracts for the eompleti0m of the
highways. I don t t~k the new wmde.roads are as~nmce
loSking as the n~rrow roads, i~y contra?t~ were all iu
ac¢°rd~ce with ~is filed m~p. I amwilling to gO along
with the wide roads and hi~kway specifications wi~ o~
excep~fon, which is the curbing. I feel that curbimg is
H3~R¥ RATNOR: Hove you ever considered forming a small
water district i~ this area?
MR. UHL; Have you any idea of what that involves?
HENRY ~IYNOR: Are any of the prope~y owners in ~hiS area
involve~ in your co~oration?
~. UHL: Several of them are.
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~. NOISA: Have you talked to any of the people living
in this subdivisio~ as to whet they think of the develooment
as a whole?
~. ~: They are living there, they must like it.
¥~. COYLE: }~ost of these lots in SeCtion~I have no houses.
How msny houses are there?
~. B/IL: There is a total of 35 houses, about 100 lots have
been sold.
H~RY I%~OR: ~ould you care to answer why all of these
deeds were filed on the same dante?
~k%~. UHL: No,. I don't care to answer that.
OHAIP~L%N: As I stated previously, the Planning Board e~m
only recommend to the Tov~ Board. We cannot compromise or change
anything.
~. PRICE: ~e were informed by the Town Board that this
would be considered after the Ordinance was passed. Why were
we called here tonight?
THE 65L&~: We didm'% think that you realized that this
is not an approved subdivisiom.
PRICE: V~hat ~vas this letter of February 8, 1972 for?
T~LE CHAL~: To notify you t/~at you cannot ~uy lots.
But we are selling lots,
THE OF~IRSt~M: You ~4ght be selling them, b~t you cannot
get any-building permits or certificates of oocupaaoy on them.
HA%~RY RAYN~R: I suggest that a motion be made that a letter
be sent to the Southold T°wn Board inquiring the status of Wood-
hollow Properties, Inc. application in regard to thei~ SUbdivision
Sec. ii" being reeonsidered for approval under
~he present Zoning Ordinmaoe.
~motion by Nr. Rayaor, seconde~ by ~r. Coyte, it was
RESOLVED that the Southold To~nPls.nninE Board send ~letter
See. II" being reconsidered for approval under
the present ZOning Ordinance.
Vote of the Board:
~.yes; ~essrs: ~mckham, Eoisa, Raynor,
Ooyle, Grebe.
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Howard Terry advised Th~ Planning Board that he had received
an inquiry in regard to the width-of the ri to
be improved in the minor subdivisio~ of David L.- , located
off north side of Nain (State) Road, East Marion, New Ytrk. The
entire width of this right-of-way is 30 feet. New York State Law
requires-that at least 15 ft. be improved for passage of emergency
vehicles. However, being that this right-of-way is in a ~.nor
subdivision, it is up to the Planning Board to set the ~nimmm
width for improvement. Nr. ~oisa suggested that a minim~m width
of 20 ft. should be paved.
On motion byE tr. Wickh~.m, seconded by ~r. Coyle, it was
I~SOL~ED that the Southold Town Ptanning Board hereby
approves 20 ft. (of the 30 ft. width) of the~righ~-of-way to
be paved in the m~nor subdivisionof David L. Gillispie,
located offN/S ~in (State) Road, East ~arion, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes;- ~essrs: ~ickham, ~oisa, Raynor,
Coyte, Grebe.
The Planning Board was presented with reused final maps
for the ~roposed minor subdivision of Tendler~'~others, property
located ~t E/S Ninth ittreet and~S/S Brown Street, Greenport, New
York. Upon inspecting this map, the~Planning Board found that
the revision had been made in accordance wi~h that-a~ required
by the Board a~ their last meeting held on~N~rch 7, 1972.
Authorization for the Chairman to sign ~he reprised final
maps of this .m~n~or subdivision, upon receipt of such revised
maids showing lot # I without the map of Greenpcrt Driving Park
printed ou it~ had been~gr~nted by the Planning Beard at the
meeti~.g held on ~arch 7, 1972.
The revised m~_s (being in accordance with the above
requirement) were signed by the Chairman.
Attorney~ advised the that
the Droper~y was in
There was an agreement
in the deeds in regard~to ginal right-of-way
for a new ri stated that the
are nowhaving some With ~he Sledjeski's in regard
right-of-way~
q~estioned if a deter~nation has been received
from the ~~ffolk County Planuing 0o~ssion on this subdivision~
in regard to the ~esign of the intersection ef Petty's Drive and
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Bight Road~ The Pla~.ing~Board advised him that determination
~s ~ot yet been received.
Richard Principi a~d Arthur Derosa of thee Co P. F. I~nd
the Pla~ing Board with a re~ised~
of their Horizons,'Sec. I~, property located
off N/S ~ddle Road (CR 27), Peconic, N.Y. The revised-map
showed th~ development of this D~oper~y from the north side
of CR 27 northerly to ~.I. Seward. The revised map ~howed a
total of ~9 lots, no lot to eo~tai~ less the~ ~0,~000 sql.
of area. ~r. Principi questioned why the~lots on the w~ter-
fron~ must contain ~0,000 sq. ft. of area. The Chairman
vised him that the Pla~ing Board requires ~ 100 ft. reserva-
tion on the water for ~ghway purposes ~nd alme one subdivisio~
lot to be set ~side for park ~d playground are~ for each 50
subdivisio~ lots oontained in the s~bdivision.. The Planning
Board requires that ail highways in proposed subdivisions
meet the To~ SDeeifications for dedieationo The ~aairman
advised them that a request for waiveringmust be presented
to the Southold ToTM Board° The Planning Beard has ~o authority
to waiver any requirements~ ~he Planning Board advised them
to have res% holes and test wells do--eon the proper~y amd send
the map to the Health Depto for approval.
On motion by Er. ~ickh~m, seconded by ~r. Noisa, it was
RESOZVED that the Southold Tow~Planning Board gr~mt.
ten,tire approve~l to the revised prelim~aary map of the
p~oposed subdivision ~Blue Horizoms", property loeated a~
~S ~ddle Ro~d ~(CR ~7)~ Pe0onio, New York, a~mhown on
~p by Otto Van ~yl, da~ed February 28, 1972), property
located at N/S ~iddle Road ~(ORZ2T), Pe¢onic~ New'York,
owned and developed by C. P. F. I~nd Corporatiomo
Vote of~the Board: Ayes: Nessrs:- Wickh~m, Noisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
~les.Raffee, ~Attorney appeared before the~
te the Dropese~ ~u~division
nort~ s~de o~Euge~e~.~ RO~, ~tehog~e,
New 'York. Ar. R~ffee said that ~r.i ~ean'totd them~that he
wO~d ~ot requi~ them to have another ~ece~-road, but he
~derst~d~ tha~. ~an h~s s~ce met with the Plug
Board ~d he will r~re them ~o have ~nother Acoeas ro~d.
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The Ohairmau advised him that the seeond~a0eess road should be
Sedated between lots 14 & 15 ~.~d 21 & 22; i~ed~ately east of
the little house out~ide the subdivision. Howard Terry advised
· he Plaguing Board that ~alt Silleek is i~terested in developing
the property to the ~orih, The Plan~i~g Board advise&Nr. Raffee
that there mms~ be 100 f~. ~arn-arounds at the ends of all roads,
to be labeled as "Reserved for Possible i~a~t~re Dedication
Town Of Southold for Highway Purposes°" The Chairman advised
N~. Raffee that the Supt. of Highways does noi approve of round
cul-de-sacs. ~ap to be revised by the engineer and presented at
future meeting.
Ben. js~:~n Orlowski & Sen appeared before the Pt~.~ing
Board to inquire the present zoning on his propert~ located
at south side of Na~ Read, ~tchog~e, ~.¥. The Chairmau
informed him that this property is zoned ~i" Residential
~d Agricultural. ~. 0rlowski presented a preli~iuary
sket~ for proposedbusiness zoning to a depth of ~50 ft.
~.~d lay-out for subdivision on property ~O the south.
Henry Raynor questioned if this subdivision plan could'be
tied in with Chet 0rlowsk~'s property to the east.- ~r.
0rlowski thought %hat this would be possible. The Chairman
advised ~fr. Orlowski that the Planning Boar~ would require
co~ectiug roads to all adjoining properties. This property
is adjacent to the Braun Oyster Co. which is zoned as ~'C~
Light I~dustrial. The Chairman informed ~ir. Orlowski that
he must submit an application for a change to the Southold
Town,oar&.
The final of the ~'
prop.er~ Orient, ~
Ne~ YOrk ~gwal~)
The~ map areas:
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the the
property. Preliminary approval was
~e Plauni~g Board.meetin~ held on December 20, 1971
the ~e of 0.~.' RingWald~ This mae has been granted approval
by the Health Dept. o~ date of Ear~ 16, 1972 audmaps were
signed by Herbert W. Da~i~s. As adw£sed by the Town Attorney,
~me Planning Board will require that the applicamts sub~t a
"Covenant & Restriction", to read am follows: "~hat the premises
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or any part thereof sh~ll no~ be further Subdivided." Subject
Covenant & Restriction to be in the proper form for recording
in the office of the Suffolk County Clerk, smd fee for recording
to be collected by the Pls~ing Board. This covenant & restric-
tion must also be printed on the f~mal maps. Two (2) copies of
~ormal application a~d applioatio~ fee of $50.00 yet ~o be sub-
mitred by applicants.
On motion by Bir. Wickbam, seconded by ~&r. Grebe~ it was
~SO~V~T~ that the Southold To~m Pla~ui~g Board grant final
approval to the proposed m~uor subdivision of Linda Gorowitz &
Judith Barnet~ on property located off north side of ~iain (State)
Road. Orient, New York, subject to receipt of the followiRg items:
1. "Coven~.~ & Restriction", to read as follows: "That the
premises or any part thereof shall not be further subdivide~.~
To be submitted in the proper form for recording in the office
of the Suffolk County'Olerk, and fee for recording to be collected
by the Pla~ingBoard. The covenant ~.~d restriction ~st also be
printed on the final maps.
Two (2) copies ~?f formal application.
Application fee of fifty dollars ($50.00)
~. The statement that "All lots must be Sold according to
lot lines as shown on this map.~ must also be printed oR the final
This motion shall include authorization for the Chaix-~n to '
sign the final maps upon fulfillment of above listed requirements.
'Vote of~the BOard: Ayes: Messrs: - Wickham, moisa, Radnor,
COyle, Grebe.
James thePl~.a.n~,i~g Boar~ wi~h apre~i~ry
Dian ~Or ,$ of Lzt%le Neek Proper~es (~i~o~
- ~ed ~t west. ~ide of ~it~le Nec~-~oad,
Cutcho~e, N..Y, ,d map (labeled:as Plum # t)~ed'a
to~al Of i~ lots from ~,000 sq. ft, to 55,000 sq. ft.
of a~a, with propOsed 50 ft. ~oad located between lots ~,~,5 and
6,~,5'~ The westerly en~ of this proposed :'cad mho ~ a roUnd cul-
de,.sa~..:~:TheChairman informe~iro Reeve that the' ~erintenden~
of Highways does not like rottud cul-de-sacs, h~ p ~ers them to
be squared off. ~Lr. Reeve also presentedPl~ # 2 for the proposed
subdivision of this property. After inspection of this alternative
plan, the Planning Board was of the opinion that it was inferior
to Plan # 1. The Plmnning Board advised Mr. Reeve that there are
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plans for the widening of ~ittle Neek Road and suggested that he
reserve ~ feet for pessible furore dedication te the Town of
Southold for highway p~s~poseSo This m~ to be forwarded to the
Superintendent for his eomme~at~s~ad reoe,~endations.
On motion by~. Ray~or, seconded by Er. Coyle~ it was
RESOL~ED that the Southold Town Planning Board grant final
approval to the prooosed subdD~ision to Be known as '~Pequash
Estates~, located a~ E/S Flee~'s Ne,-Read and~V/S Track Avenue,
Cutehogue, New York, owned by Henry L. Fleet.
Vote o£~the Board: Ayes. ~essrso ~ickha~, ~oisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
The Cha~wJ~die~ated ~he following letter to be sent te
the SoUthold TownBoard a~d the Southold Town Board of Appeals
~mreference to ~Orient-By-The-Sea, See~ II":
Gentlemen:
The condition ~der which the abe~e mentioned subdivision was
approved was t~t either the roads were to be ¢onstr~cte~and
dedieated, or Bonde~ within 90 days after the ~te of the public
hearing zt which final approval was granted. ~ith ~he exceptio~
of two roads, these conditions have never bee~ fulfilled.
Up until ~he ti~e of the posting of the notice of the amen~en?$
had not
a~d dea~-
eared, the eens~rme~ion of the roads has eommenced at less tha~
¢00 ft. per year. It has taken eleven (ll) years to eonstr~c~
~,870 ft. of highway.
A study of the ~axma~s will show that at the ~ime of the ~osti~g
of ~he notice o~ the he~ring for the amendments to the Zoning
please find photostat of Tax~p showi~g same.
I~ aceordauee, we have i~strueted the ~ot to
issue any b~il~d~g permits i~ this area of , and we
respeet~lally suggest that the Bomrd of Appeals not grant a~y
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variances, including approval of access, in view of the fact
~hat this would obviously be s~terfuge.
Very s~cerely,
~chu Wiokb~m, Chairmau
Southold To~vn Planning Board
The Southold ~own Plam_w~ng Board ret
petition of Cutchogue, Ne~
of zone and Agricul~
Light Industrial District to ~" I~ultiple
certain property located at ~/S Young's A
as received from the Southold Town Board
tions to prepare an official report defim
rammed therein.
mewed agar_in the original
together with the instruc-
~g the conditions con-
This proper~y m. iS ~ituated at Southold, in the Town of
Southold, County ~f Suffolks, New York, and more particularly
bounded amd described as follows:
Wes~ l~2,gO feet ~o a point; rOmning thence So~th I3 degrees
23 ~'~te~ l0 ~eeom~ds ~ast 100.0~ feet along l~dnow or
fo.~rmerly of.!~er.~nd la~d now or formerly of A~eret~:to a
~o~; ~~ then~ along l~d no~ or fo~e~ of
~he ~otlow~g two(~) o~ses ~d ~st~oe~: (I) Sou~h 73
seconds East 389.17 fset and (3) South l7 degrees 21 minutes
l0 secondS~s~ 9~.21 feet to a point and land now or formerly
of ~ong lslan~ Railroad; rur~uing thence ~long laud now or
formerly of Lom~ Island Railroad South 70 degrees 30 m~utes
30 secp~ds. Wes~ 53~.~0 feet ~o a po~.i~an~ lan~ now.~r fpr~erly
of Graz~an, ~lng ~nence among saiG ±as~ men~ionea ±anmnow
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or formerly of Gratt~u North 17 degrees 43 miuutes 30 seconds
V~est 636.24 feet to aDp~i~t and land now or formerly o~~
Wi~kowski; r~uing thence along said last mentioned l~nd now
ll.80 feet sad (2) North 12 degrees 29 minutes 30 seconds West
537.84 feet to laad now or ~formerly of Charnews; running thence
along said last mentioned land now or formerly of Charnews North
70 degrees 05 m~utes O0 seconds Eas~ 484.72 feet and North 76
degrees 22 minutes 20 seconds ~st 567.10 fee% to the point or
place of BEGINNING~
· he Pluming Board discussed this proposed 9has'%ge of zone
at some length. Howard Terry called te the Boara's attention
the possibility of an error in the application. He thought
tha~. D~. Z~hlers shouted be applying for ~n ~'N-l" district
because they plan some of the buildings for more th~u $ u~its.
The ~'~" district restricts a maximum of 4 units per building.
I~. ~blers was contacted by telephone and advised of the pre-
ceding finding . ~r. ~J~lers stated that this is ~u error, he
stated that he would come into the office in the morning to
~mend his application to read "~-l" ~l~ltiple Residence District.
On motion by,ir. Coyle, seconded byN~r. Raynor, it was
RESOLV~ that the Southold To~vnPlanr~ingBo~r& recommend
favorably to the Southold Town Board the ch~ge of Zo~eofrom
"A" Residential a~d Agricultural District and "C~' Ligh~
industrial District to "~-l" ~ultiple Residence District o~
the above described property.
~ne property adjoins exist~mg industrial proper~y. It is
isolated from single fsmuily residence ~evelopm~nt~ The propert~
is accessible ~o the village. There is public water supply an~ ~
sewage treatmen~ plant is included in the project. ~he project
meets the requir~ents ofthe Zoning 0rd~nance, and there is a
need for more apartments ~ the vicinity of Southold Vial-age.
Vote of'the Board: Ayes: ~essrs: ~ickham, ~oisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
The Pts.~uing Board informally discussed the proposed
~oplioation to be submitted to the SoutholdTown Bo~rd by
Gordon'& Lucy J.'Ai~_ns~, Nadeline & Ce~-al Avenues~ Fishers
Island, New York, forehange of zone from "A~' Residen%~ial
an~ Agricultu_~al District to "C-1~' General Industrial District
on property situated at N/E corner of Naaeline Avenue and
Central Avenue, Fishers Isl~ud, New York. Nn~. Grebe stated
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that he is of the opimion that the "O-l" General Industrial
district would be a proper zoning for this property.
The Ple~ming Board was presented with preliminary map,
~wo copies of formal application, a~d fee of $30 for the
proposed minor subdivision of Joh~ P. G~il~ar&on property
located at Belle Hill Avenue, Fishers Isl~ud, New York° The
Chairman stated that we must h~ve a statement from ~r. G~illard
to the effect that mono of these lots will b~ ~her subdivided.
Letter to be sent to ~r. Ge~llard advising him of the required
s~atemen~ to be submitted by him a~d also requesting him to
forward three (3) copies ~£' final m~p with meets m~d bound~
description for each of the three lots by Oh~udler & Plamer.
On motion by ~&r. Grebe, seconded by ~7~. Wickham, it was
RESOBVED that the Southold Town Pla~uing Board gra~
to the proposed minor subdivision of
John P. property located at Belle Hill Ave~e,
Fishers Island, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes: ~essrs:- ~ickh~m, ~oisz, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
The following de~erm~atior~ were received from the
Suffolk County Pl~un.tng Co~issiom on the proposed ~mend-
ments to the Zoning Ordinance (on Town Bo~d's own motion)
Parcel I - pre~tses @ New Suffo~, "A~' to "O~' - considered
to be &matter for local determination
-Parcel I~ - S/W intersection of Wain Road & Aokerly Pomd ~A"toB-1~
L~ne, Southold - considered to be a m~tter £or local determination.
Parcel III~- S/E oor~er ordain Ro~d a~d ~ells Avenue, Sou~hold -
disapproved.
Item # IV. Article XV, Section 1501 of the Zoning Ordinance -
considered to be emitter for local determination.
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Received oop~ of notice of extension of approval by the
Health Dept. on the subdivision ~Town Harbor~Terraee". Regard-
less of t~s extension from the Heallh Depto~ this subdivision
m~st meet the requirements o£ the present Zoning Ordinance~ as
this ~ubdivision is not included on the approved list of sub-
divisions in the amended Zoning Ordinance.
Letter received from Gary Olsen, Attorney requesting an
extension of the performance bond on the subdivision ~I~urel-
wood Estates~. The Plaz~zing Board instructed that a letter be
sent to ~ir. Olsen requesting him to appear at the Planning
Board meeting to be held o~April 3rd to discuss this matter.
Received General Form Statues Tnquiry from the bo~ding
comp.~.~y on ~?~illow Point~' subdivision - to be completed and
returned. ~
Letter received from Cotey T. Bro~vn, ~st Narion, objecting
to the variance application of Peter T. Neyland o~property @
Gardi~e~s Bay Estates, East ~arion~ N.Y. Subject letter placed
on file.
Corre~p. ondence reeeived from the N.Y.S. Dept.'of Transoortation
i~ refereno~ to review' of site plan,,etc, on s~te highways] together
wzth requestfor meeting wi~ the Planning Beard. The .Planning:
Board i~structed tha~ a letter be sen~ inviting them ~o a~tend our
executive meeting to be held o~ April 18~ho
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Received cop~ of"The New York-New Jersey Netropotitan Area~'
Development G,~de, to be placed on file for Plarn~ing Board reference.
H~nry Ra~or submitted the followiug report of his f~.ndings
on the proposed "A~nexation to Greenport Village~':
~_c%ual Impact
iS~e primary criteria for a~exation of property is that the
parties involved sko~l~ derive benefit that is in the overall
public interest. The proposed annexation~of acres on ~apel
I~ae & acres on~ County Route 27 is not in-~ bes~ public
interes~.~-The outli~e presented does no~ hold ~ clear block like
pattern of con~i property ~exatie~. It is more similar to
· he of ~ oo!itical district. The village, ~ pro-
posing 2~exatio~ to ~ae-West, lea~es hundreds of acres to the
east and eon~igio~s ~o present village boundaries out. Whywasn't
thOUght given to those persons and properties that the village.-is
geing aroun&, is this in the public i~terest? ~h~t then is the
reason?
How much research was given to the impact to be felt-by the
taxpayers ~n school district l0 when those proposed properties
are anuex, d? Is the village willing to compensate the town's
taxpayers for this-~dditional burden?
How m~ch consideration w~s given to the problems t~t will
arise from law e~forcement when there maybe a dispute over what
jurisdictio~ town policem~n would have in going through village
enforeeme~ ~rri$Ory to ~ge~ to an area under town proteetion?~
This may a~so cause complications for village enforcement officers
when the reverse is tr~eo
~o~r~se~r~ed the town and county plam~ui~g boards ~d
commisslon~ to' ask questions en s~y pt~s that m~yhave bee~
~well does thins piec'e meml em~exa~ion fi~
in~o th,
de~i~n,
by ~he ~i!!age ~hat must already go to the ~own-~ s~pply w~ter
for %ts Population. is this inmthe best PUblic in~erest for all
part~es?
We feel very strongly that this propose& annexatio~ is
c~mpletely against the ~blic~s~ It is possibly ~ violation
of the ~unicip~ Law.
~eE~neys - Se0~702 ~he~tw~governing bodies involved in
am~exation oma'% reach~ agreeme~,~the decision is ~de by the
courts. If agreement i~ not reached, this is ~ avenue open ~e
both town& village.
S~. 705~eari~ng board shal% ~-isten to~ test~mon~ on
annexation. _his ~oes not have ~o be in writi~g as stated in
the paper.
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E-3. Remaining territory m~s~ be reconiraote~ for public
services and remainder of township forced to take burden of the
~p~loned tow~ lndeb~e~uess falling tO the prooosed a~exations.
4. In the East-Wes~ Fire ~stric~ the to~n and village
have a oontraot-~al agreement for fire protection. The village
supplies protection to this area. Removal of this proper~ywill
cause a new contract to be negm~iated, leaving a higher t~x rate
for individua~ tax payers in the fire protection district because
of the cost being spread among remaining property holders. Annex-
atio~ should not be considered until this orotectiomfor proper~y
owners in this district has been worked ou~t.
Sec. 708-1 ~he law sta~es that properly annexed must bear
the liabilities aud bonded ~mdebted~ess of their per, ion of property
in relationship to the tow~ liabilities and bonded imdeb~ed_uess.
SUch debts will fall o~ the vitla~e that is an~eximg this property,
once the amount is agreed to by both ~own and village. This ~-
deb~edness will include bomdS, sapital notes and other capital
improvements with a maturiiy ~ mor~ ihan three years.
Sec. 711~&.l Both boards must give au order specifically
consenting to annexation.
Sec. 712 - 2 Determination on annexation is for ove~m.~ public
interes~ ~bcuses on annexing municipality and detriments to remain-
ing gover~emt ~i~s.
Prooosed~icipal aunexation is not in o~erall public interest
where benefit desired was expansion room for m~cipalityupon~which
area carved out would a~d a~uexed area would he adversely affected~
City of ~echauicw~31e Vs Town Board of Hal~moem 1969.
~bis in essence seem~ what. the Village of Greenport is trying
to do.
On motion by,ir. ~Ioisa, seconded by ~Ir. Coyle, it was
RESOL~ED that an executive meeting of the S~thotd. Town
P!a~uing Board be held at 7:~0 P.~., Monday, ~arch 27, 1972
at the Town Office, ~ain Street, Southold, New York.
Vote of the Board: Ayes:- PJessrs: ~ickham, Noisa, Raynor~
Coyle, Grebe.
On motion by~r. Wiokham, seconded bye. Raynor, it was
RESOLVED that the next regalar meeting o~the Southold
Tov~aPlauning Board be held at 7:~0 P.~., Eenday, ~ipril 3, 1972
the To~rnOffice, Main Street, Southold, New York.
Vote ef the Board: Ayes:- Eessrs: ~ickham, ~oisa, Raynor,
Coyle, Grebe.
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l~e meeting was adjourned At ll:O0 PjA.
wi~mm,' d~irma~
Respectfully submitt~ed,
, Secretary
Southold Town Planning Board