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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-07/10/1972-SSouthold Town Planning Board SOUTHFILD, L. I., N. Y. 11971 PLANNING BOARD M E M BERS John Wickham, Chairman Henry Mo,isa Alfred Grebe Henry Raynor Frank Coyle MINUTES SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD July 10, 1972 A special meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was held at 9:00 A.M., Monday, July 10, 1972, at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York. There were present: Messrs: John Wickham, Chairman; Henry Moisa, Vice Chairman; Henry Raynor. Absent: Frank Coyle; Alfred Grebe. Also present: Howard Terry, Building Inspector. This special meeting was called to discuss Mattituck Shopping Center. Mr. Thomas J. Cassella, owner of Mattituck Shopping Center; Mr. Joseph Cefaletti, Superintend~n~ of Construction and Mr. Cassella's secretary attended the meeting. Southold Town Planning Board July 10, 1972 Mr. Wickham said according to the approved site plan the finished floor is about 2:1/2 feet below the specified finished floor level. Had you come back about six months ago and Said the architect made a mistake, we could have worked something out. At this late date you have no alternative but to meet the specifications. Mr. Cassella said that Mr. Yezzi went and lowered the ~levation and put up the steel without my knowledge and~when he eould not.pay me at the closing I had no alternative but to take it back. He lied to me and told me he had gotten permission from the Zoning Board to do it. Mr. Wickham said you we,nt to the County and got approval from them for a diffe,rent sanitary system. At a ~ater date you went to a p~umbing contractor and made UP a third plan, again in contradiction to the approved plan and again you did not tell us. Under the circumstances all we can say is me~t the requirements. We can't say anything different. I am sure you under- stand this. Legally we can't compromise. For the record, I have been a member of the Board of Direc,tors of a supermarket chain for 27 years. Mrs. Wickham and I own and lease a supermarket up s~tate. I know in: general what the cost is. I have had experience with it. I know you are in trouble and we don~'t know to get out of it. This thing is seriously complicated because the finished floor is so low you can't get pitchi~enough for the disposal structures and you don't have net drainage area. Regardless of what you do you are faced with some very real expensive problems~ Mr. Ca~ssella said the sanitary system was designed by Bob Jewell. Mr. Wickham said you never presented it to us~. Itthas absolub~ly no standing with us. You do not have,the net drainage or distance to water as shown on the approved map. Mr. Wickham asked if Mr, Cassella was awa~e there is water in the disPOsal strhcture~s right now. The~ s~te plan ca~ls for a 1/4~ inch pi~ch. Mr. Cassella said Mr. J~well said he could acceot 1/16 inch. Mr. Raynor Said that w~ld not pa~s State standards. Mr. Wickham sai~ you are not in trouble with the Coun~Y~¥~-Y~_~re in rouble w~th the Town of SOuthold. There are chan~es in the 'site plan. You had a gift of 25 feet through a variance through the Appeals Board. You brought~it back to the County and had it changed w~thou~ our permission. You are in trouble with your ~rchitect ~ezzi, You, don't have drainage. You have got to meet the specifications of the approved site plan. Southold Town Planning Board July 10, 1972 Mr. Cefaletti said that they were under the uhderstanding that a later plan had been submitted to the Town of Southold. Mr. Yezzi said he had the later site plan approved. Mr. Wickham said there will be no discussion with separate members of the Planning Board. This is going to be settled before the full Board or at least three members, and we are going to meet in a week. I think what you better do is get in touch with somebody yQu can trust to draw up some good plans and r~ise the finished floor elevations. This is what you have got to do. Mr. Cassella sal~ in order to raise ~the floor it would~ coSt o~ quarter million dollars. Mr. Wickham said the i~nly thing we can say is meet the requirements. You t~ied to cover,it up with the County ~Health Depart- ment. You can come ~n with a plan to meet the specifi- cations and raise the fin~hed floor_.r~you don't do that you!have got to put in $100,000 to ~200,00'0 worth of sewage and drainage systems. It isn't going to work. We will not pass yQur new p~an which we had never seen befor~ last week. This is the third time the thing has been Dhanged. You are going to have to put legs on the uprights and we will have to approve it. It is going to cost a lot of money, ~but it can be done. As far as I can see it we have no way of compromising. This is not Within our right. We can only say in a case like this, meet the~specifications. Mr. Cassella sa~d what you are telling me is almost impossible. Mr. Wickham said we are in a position where we can only say meet the requirements. If you start compromising then you are in a position whe~ you can sue the Town and say that you had to spend $100,000 to $200,000 under duress. We are going to say meet the specificationS, nothing less. Mr. Cassella said he would lose Grants, the theatre and Adam'~S Drugs. There is no~sense in the Town of Southo!d havih~ empty buildings, kll material:has been ordered. Mr. ~efaletti said Mr. CaSsella w~~ ~o the Board'~of Healthhto correct a situation someone else caused. He.assumed he was going through channels. Mr. C~ssella said he was not aware that Mr. Yezzi had not brought a copy of the Health DDpartment approved plan to the Town~ Southold Town Planning Board July 10, 1972 Mr. Wickham said this is not going to be settled now. We cannot tell you what you should do or what you can do a~d the only~thing we~can say is meet the specifi- cations. Now I would suggest that in the week before our next meeting on the 18th, and we will set aside an h~ur for your that you get your engineer to make an estimate and,make a~.least ~some sketches on Putting legs .on the steel. This is what I would suggest first. New, .if you want, you can also go to the Department of H~alth and tell them you would like to know ~bo~t how Much sanitary area (ringsi would be required if the distance is 20 feet to water instead of 22 feet~ which Our ~igures show it to be. Then you have the p~oblem of w~ter disposal. We are not discussing a compromise, but if we ever~do get to that point, it is going to be on the basis of a 4 inch rain instead of a 1 inch. We are~ qot going to stand for another shopping center like Rive~head whire they have 6 to 8 inches of water after ever~ rain. Mr~ Wickham said we are not compromising at a~l without the advise and suggestion of the Town Attorney because as far as I am concerned we have no authority to compromise at all. ~ , Molsa.stated that there is a 6~ grade l~stead of 3%. ~r. Wickham said the reserve area k~s to be ~andscaped~ How you are going to servece..tke sewage ~isp~sal systems with 10 feet.of d~t o~ the~ I do~'~t k~ow. I am talking about the 40 ~an~ingsla~d la~dscaPing. The~pr~ ~bout ~0 ifee~ ~side the reserve com~ ~losle ~ sta~ing within the ~ot Mr. ~ezZ~s fault. Mr. Cass~ ~esilg~ed ~hat s~s~em. Mr. Wicknam ar~ea with are not even is 11 site plan is your business. With this money involved ~his ~hi~g ~an a~a~s ge to ourt e ~lanni.ng Board is ~us~ being extr~el~ cautiouS~i . .is far .~ I am c0ncern~d~ there Will be no compro~ising'un!esls our town ~ttorney advises and~there would be no c.onditio~s. Mr. Raynor said we have talked this o~er with the. Town Board. We ame~not happy with this wkole thing a~d their opinion seems to jive with ours. Mee~t the specifica~io~s~ ~ Mr~ ~Cassella asked if the Town feels' ~e s.an. itary system as it is now will not work. Mr~ Wickham said that is co~ec~. You have two feet of water in the pool's and the elevations are not correct. Mr. Raynor said our engineer figures i~ ~ould work at about 40% capacity. Southold Town Planning Board July 10~ 1972 Mr. Wickham s&~d the calculations for distance to water is two feet less. The minute you talk about any change, we are going to say meet today's specifi- cations~ That is three or four times the number of pools you,.have now. Double it for two feet less to water and a four inch rain instead of two inch. I still think the simplest thing to do is to raise the finished floor. I suggest you have your engineer make up some sketches and present them at the next meeting on July 18th. Mr. Raynor asked if Mr. Davis was his present englneer~ Mr. Cassella said it was Alden Young. Mr. ~ickham asked what would be involved in jacking UP the whole thing and putting legs on it. Mr. Cefaletti said financially nothing is impossible. Putting legs on it you have to cart fill back; you would have to change all the elevations. The cost is fantastic. He said he did not believe there was any intention to down grade the town. Mr. Cassella took the job~back and based on Mr. Yezzi's work with ~the Town of Southold he believed him. All he wanted to do was improve the septic tank setup and drainage so he could eliminate ~he problems caused when the building was dropped. He was willing to spend the money. Mr. Wickham said the thing was redssigned which shows that you knew it would not work and didn't get our approval, we will do nothing without talking to our attorney and I suggest yQu look into the alternatives. We would ~ike you to c~me back and bring your Superintendent. Don't expect us to be easy, because we are not going to be. Mr. Casse~a said he wants to try to correct it. Mr. Wiokham said there was no point in continuing the discussion any more, Mr, Moisa said he thought all pertinent p~nts have been brought f~orth and the decision Of the last-meeting,. Mr. Casselta said Grants is losing mone~ in' RiVerhead and they Would be very happy to get out riq~t now !a~ if we lose~rants I d!on't know what we would do with a building of that size. It is going 'to be bene- ficial to the Town as they are ~oi~g to clos~e up the one in',Greenport. I have over $60,0010 ~orth of equipment ordered for Grants. Mr. Raynor said Mr. Cassella should get Mr, Yezzi for Tuesday's meeting. Mr. Cassella asked if it made-any difference which engineer he used. Mr. Raynor said it~made a decided difference to-him. Young has contracted with this Board. Mr. Cassella said Young has been working formhim. Mr. Wickham said if Mr. Cassella felt it wou~d be a hardship to get along without Alden Young then we can make o~h~r-arrangements. We can get Southold Town Planning Board July 10, 1972 somebody else. We will still use his maps and figures. We have to be careful not to have a conflict of interest. You can expect us to move very carefully and very slowly. Regardless one way or the other, it is going to cost you a lot more money. Mr. Casselta said he would be at the Planning Board meeting on July 18, 1972. The meeting was adjourned at 10:15 A.M. Respectfully submitted, Terri Lee Elak, Secretary Southold Town Planning Board John Wickham, Chairman