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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-09/11/1972Southold Town Planning Board SdUTHfiLD, L, I., N. Y. 1'19'71 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS John Wlekham, Chairman Henry M o.lsa Alfred Grebe Henry Raynor Frank Coyle MINUTES SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD September 11, 1972 A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was held at 7:30 p.m., Monday, September 11, 1972, at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York. There were present: Messrs: John Wickham, Chairman; Henry Moisa, Vice Chairman; Henry Raynor; Alfred Grebe; Frank Coyle (9:00 p.m.) Also present: Howard Terry, Building Inspector. Mr. George Ahlers presented to the Board pictures of examples of the type~of construction proposed for the s0u~hOldi~ommons ~partment Project. The Chairman told Mr. Ahlers that the Town has no Architectural Review but the Board was interested in the construction. Mr. Alhers said he wanted their opinion and would bring in more examples. Mr. Ahlers said that the property adjacent to this project which is zoned C-1 has been offered'for sale to them. This property could be purchased for future expansion. Mr. Wickham said the Board would speak to the Town Board in regard to this. Southold Town Planning Board - 2 - September 11, 1972 Mr. Bob Douglass presented rough layouHs for two minor subdivisions and a ma~or subdivision owned by N. Douglass Latham located off King Street, Orient. The two minor subdivisions showed five lots and Mr. Wickham informed Mr. Douglass that the County~and State will no longer accept five lot minor subdivisions. Mr. Douglass said he would have these drawn up with four lots and present them along with the major subdivision for preliminary approval. Mr. Kroehler appeared before the Board in regard to Land's End Subdivision at Orient. He reported that the bond and fee have been paid for the conRection to the State Highway. He will get approval of the County Health Department. on motion of Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that the subdivision knows as Land's End at Orient, N.Y., be given preliminary approval. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Wickha~, Moisa, Raynor, Grebe. Mr. Valentine Ruch appeared in reference to his minor subdivision at Arshamomaque, N.Y. He presented a revised plot plan showing three lots. Two of these lots are 40,000 square feet and lot number 3 is 18,000 which is reserved for his use. Mr. Ruch said he has prospective buyers for lots 1 and 2. Mr. Ruch left a copy of the. map and Mr. Wickham said the Board would make a decision later in the evening. Joseph Saland appeared before the Board with a proposed subdivision of property owned by A.I. Smith, Inc., Stanley Smith and Thelma Weiman. This property is located on north side of Middle Road, Mattituck, N.Y. Mr, Saland said they want to make two lots of the piece fronting on Middle Road. Mr. Wickham said he did not think it would be a good idea to tie up their only access to Middle Road. Southold Town Planning Board - 3 September 11, 1972 It would compromise their f~ture possibilities by developing it this way. The Planning Board is susposed to look into the f~ture and see what is the best use and development of a certain parcel of property and we usually shy away from carving it up. Mr. Saland said the owners have no intention of making it into a subdivision. Mr. Wickham said we are not accepting a minor subdivision from people who set aside four lots if they are on contigiQus property. It has to be in separate ownership. We will not accept a minor subdivision where they reserve an area because this violates the principal of minor subdivis6ns. Mr. Raynor said if they want to they can develop it as a major subdivision in two sections. Mr. Saland said they are not developers; they don~t want to develop it as a major subdivision. Mr. Saland asked if the Board would give a decision. On motion of Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that the Planning Board deny the proposed minor subdivision of property owned by.A.I. Smith, Inc., Stanley Smith and Thelma Weiman, located at Mattituck, N.Y. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, RaynQr, Grebe. The Planning Board discussed the proposed subdivision for Donald A. Dennis at Mattituc~, N.Y., with Donald Dennis and William Esseks, Esq. Mr. Esseks presented a revised plot plan showing 15 lots and asked if the Board would waive the Park and Play Ground requirement because of the proximity of the Town Beach area. The Chairman advised him that the Board is now accepting cash payment in lieu of park and play gr~ndd. Mrs~Esseks asked how soon the road must be finished. Mr. Wickham told him he either has to bond for it or you have to have it inspected and approved before you file the map. The cost of a bond might be $10,000. Anything that is c~mpleted at the time that you apply for the bond for final approval can be subtracted from the bond. Mr. Esseks asked if they could put up savings account for bond and Mr. Terry told him he could. Mr. Raynor told him that the Town Superintendent of Highways requires sumps now. The Chairman told him he will have to prov!de a drainage area. Mr. Esseks asked how the Board arrives at the fee in lieu of park and playground. Mr~ Wickham said there is reason to believe that you might have a natural drainage area and park area combined; no fee, a natural wooded area. Mr. Esseks said preliminary maps would be drawn up for submission. The Board, Mr. Esseks and Mr. Dennis informally discussed condominiums in Southold Town. Southold Town Planning Board - 4 - September 11, 1972 Mr. Terry reporte~ that he has been to Fishers Island today and Mr. ~abohonski has not done any further work to date. The Board dis~ssed Mattituck Shopping Center with Mr. Cassella, Mr. Cippoletti, Mr. Liben, Mr. Cohen and Mr. Russo. The Chairman read letter from Mr. Liben dated ~ug~s~L28, 1972. Mr. ~hen said he wished to withdraw his letter dated August 21, 1972. Mr. Wickham stated there seem to be some more problems. The map is not satisfactory, therefore, our e±~ht point agreement from our point of view has ~ot been met and at this stage of the game we are simply saying we want assurances from you that these things will be met. Mr. Liben said we have attempted to meet the specifications provided in the agreement. I was at the site earlier today and I know Mr. Cassella has been trying to meet the specifications. You sent a letter that there were some minor modifications still to be done. Mr. Wickham said there is one other thing that has 'to be clearly ironed out. We have had one subsequent meeting with Mr~ Cassella and Mr. Cippoletti when they agreed %hat the alterations were impossible. We discovered the foundations were some 2000 square feet in excess of the approved site plan and it was brought out by Mr. Cassella and supported by Mr. ~ppoietti that they would not be able to make any changes without violating their lease agreement and as a result~we made some alternative sugge'stions which they agresd to and unfortunately Mr. Cohen was not alppraised of tkis and when ~e wrote to us he gave the impression to th~s Board that we made arbitrary and capricious demands when t~e shoe was completely on the other foot. We were trying to g~t. Mr, Cassella of~ the hook. We.want th~ best possible site~pian and best possible planting pla~ so he will have the best.lpossible shopping center. We have been leaning subdivision requirements say that any subdivision, and this is a subdivision, is responsible for the water that flows uphi~t from the area a distance of 200 feet and in view of~.the fact that ~is ground is lower than Factory Avenue it will require additional drainage structures at the entrance. Mr. Cassella said that the property was always lower than Factory Avenue. He asked what would be involved. Southold Town Planning Board - 5 - September 11, 1972 Mr. Wickham told him our engineer is not here, but in the order of two to four catch basins. You are susposed to get the water into the ground. Not to the extent of making any structures on the other side of the road but on your side of the road. Mr. Cassella saidl suppose we get this water and we piped it into our overflow system by putting in some additional pool's. We will put four in and we will pipe it into our ~system. Mr. Cippoletti stated that all pools are out of the buffer zone; we ran a sprinkling line in there and I asked about burying oil tanks in there. Mr. ~ickham said'this actually will have to be approved by ~he Town Superintendent of Highways. Mr. Cassella said that is no problem. Mr. Cippoletti said the Board of Health has been do~ and approved it. Mr. Wickham said at the meeting on July 26th we first disoussed the possibility of taking,off some of the steel - I am referring to the 2000 square feet overage - and as I have told you we could not findlany way to get back to the original approved site plan because of ~he building loan and permanent mortgage people and the lease with Grants. The minutes Of that meeting show that one of the conditions under which we were prepared to overlook the 2000 square feet of overage was that Mr. Cassella submit a detailed plan~g plan showing landscaping and plantings and in time enough for us to do something about it. This is a condition and~it becomes something which must be fulfilled before a C~. is issued. Mr. Cippoletti ~aid that is in the hands of John Jacobsen Associates now. Mr~ Wickham stated we want it clearly understeod so we don't come up to some point and time in the future when you say we are~holding you up. Mr. Liben said he did not know when it will be ready for planting but assuming it takes a sufficient period of time it will be some time in the winter, wo~td that hold up occupancy? Mr. Wickham said he assumed it would not. Mr. Wickham also.said the Board wants a letter from Mr. Liben stating that these conditions will be met. Mr. Cassella pointed out the areas on the site p!aD that will be planted. Mr. Raynor asked if we can get a copy of the plan for the store fronts. Mr. Liben sa~d he Will send a letter s~a~ing that landscaping is being prepared and we recognize it is our obligation to p~ck up water on Factory Avenue. They thanked the Board and left. Mr. Wickham reported that ~his morning he met with a man from the State Education Department. He has requested copies of our minutes~ copy of the original site plan approved 7/19/71, rgport of Young & Young., and the Agreement of 7/19/72 in reference to the Board's letter about Messimo F. Yezzi, Architect. Southold Town Planning Board - 6 - September 11, 1972 Vice Chairman Henry Moisa read the following letter dated September 5, 1972, from Reese Bros., Inc. in regard to Harbor Lights Subdivision: Gentlemen: In accordance with your request as to the status of the Sub Division Bond on Harbor Lights, we are unable at this time to supply you with much more information than was contained in our letter to you dated Feb. 2, 1972. We have contacted the Highway Dept. on at least three occasions, the last time abQ~t a month ago. At that time the Supt. of Highways, Mr. Raymond Dean, told us that we would be contacted in the near future by two members of the Town Board, for the purpose of making an inspection tour, and informing me as to what had to be done before the Town would officially take over the roads. However, as of this date no contact has been made. We would like to point out that at all times Mr. Dean has been most cooperative and sympathetic to our situation and we presume we will just have to wai~ until the members of the Town Board find the time to instruct us to what they want done. We sincerely hope that you can appreciate the awkward position in which we find ourselves. Yours truly~ Harold Reese The Board disucssed the matter and will send a letter to Raymond Dean and the Tow~ Highway Committee about it. Vice Chairman Henry Moisa read the following letter from John E. Hurley, Esq., in regard to Jacksnn's Landing dated August 25, 1972. Dear Mr. Terry: In reply to your telephone call of this date, I enclose a photocopy of a letter dated March 2, 1972, Southold Town Planning Board - 7 - September 11, 1972 wherein Mr. Raymond C. Dean recommended the release of the performance bond for Jackson's Landing. I would greatly appreciate your assistance in having this matter concluded. Very truly yours, John E. Hurley A letter from Raymond Dean dated August 25, 1972, recommending release of the bond was also received. On motion of Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was RESOLVED that the Planning Boar~ recommend to the Town Board release of the bond for Jackson's Landing Subdivision. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Coyle, Raynor, Grebe, Moisa, Wickham. A brochure was received from the Society For The Preservation of Long Island Antiquities. A letter was received from Robert A. Villa, P.E., Suffolk County Department of Health in regard to shbdivision for Frank Sti~lo, Orient, N.Y. The letter states that the Health Department will not accept this f~ve lot subdivision as a minor subdivision. A copy of this letter will be sent to David Gillispie. Employers Commercial Union Companies has asked for a report on Construction of roads and improvements mn Willow Point Subdivision. A letter is to be sent to Mr. Bache Bleeker advising him that this has been extended for the final time and we will have to have work done. Southold Town Planning Board September 11, 1972 On motion of Mr. Wickham, Seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was RESOLVED that final approval be given to subdivision of Ralph Tuthill and the Chairman is authorized to si~ the map. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Wickham, Raynor, Moisa, Coyle, Grebe. Mr. Terry said it has been found there is a~mistake on the Zoning Map in regard to property owned by Pappas at Orient Point on which the Jiffy Bite is located. This property is susposed to be B-1 zoned but this does not show on the m~p. The Board disucssed Orient Point Subdivision owned by~Wilsberg and Cron at some length. The Board has received notification from the Suffolk County Department of Planning~that the proposed minor subdivision of Valentine Ruch at Arshamom~que, will not be reviewed because of noncompliance with requirements for notic~ and maps. The Chairman read a letter to Mr. Ruch from ~obert A. Villa, P.E., Of the Suffolk County Health Department. The Board dis~ssed the proposed subdivision. Mr. Wickham said he will entertain a motion that we approve this map of two 40,000 square foot lots on the condition that the third lot on map dated September 11, 1972, by Van Tuyl & Son have no construction on it other than the boathouse and stairway shown and further provided.that there be deed restrictions upon this lot so that no dwelling shall be erected upon it. Mr. Grebe made the motion, Mr. Moil: seconded. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Grebe, Moisa, Wickham Naye: Coyle, Raynor Southold Town Planning Board - 8 - September 11, 1972 Mr. Wickham read a letter from Stephen Griffing with regard to the Petmucci property. A letter will be sent to Mr. Griffing stating that thePlanning Board will check into the mat~er and visit the property before the next Planning Board meeting on September 25th. A letter was received from Albert Richmond, Town Clerk requesting a detailed estimate of Revenue and Expenditures for the fiscal year 1973 by September 15, 1972. The Board will hold a special meeting on September 14, 1972 to discuss this budget. On motion of Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that the next ~egular meeting of the Planning Board will be held September 25, 1972, at 7:30 p.m. at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Wickham, Moisa, Raynor, Coyle, Grebe. The meeting was adjourned at 11:00 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Terri Lee Elak, Secretary Southold Town Planning Board Jo Wickham, Chairman