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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-10/03/1972Southold Town Pla Board srlUTHULD~ L. I,, N. Y, 11971 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS John Wiekham, Chalrma~ Henry M o,lsa Alfred Grebe Henry Raynor Frank Coyle MINUTES SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD October 3, 1972 A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was held at 7:30 P.M., Tuesday, October 3, 1972, at the Town OffiCe, Main Road, Southold, New York. There were present: Messrs. John Wickham, Chairman; Henry Moisa, Vice Chairman; Frank Coyle; Henry Raynor. Absent: Alfred Grebe Also present: Howard Terry, Building Inspector Bob Douglass appeared before the Board in reference to the proposed minor subdivision owned by N. Douglass Latham off. King Street, Orient, N.Y. Mr. Douglass stated that the Gun Club will take the piece of property at the end and make it a p~anent game preserve. He said he had spoken to SuperviSor Martocchia about it and was told that the Gun Club could take the property, it could be put under the Land Sa~e Program, or the Federal Government could take it. Mr. Latham is going to give the property to the Gun Club. Mr. Wickham said the minor subdivision still has to have four lots. It was suggested that lots Southold Town Planning Board page 2 October 3, 1972 #1, ~2, and ~3 be enlarged to make them approximately 60,000 square feet and make lot ~4 larger. Mr. Wickham also told him when he brings in the map for approval it has to be set UP with a perpetual easement on it. You are conveying it out to somebody else subject to hard and fast covenants that it will never have any building on it. Mr. Wickham asked what would happen to the land if the dikes are abandoned? Mr. Douglass said nothing; unless there was a hurricane. Mr. Wickham asked what this would do to the other diked areas. Mr. Douglass said there is nothing in the area that would be bothered. Mr. Moisa said it is high enough. Mr. Wickham said that is one of the things you have to consider when you give it to the Gun Club, but it would have to be subject to a perpetual easement. Mr. Wickham marked a copy of the proposed map-with the changes in the lot lines suggested and the restriction to bAeplaced on the property to be given to the Gun Club. The Chairman told Mr. Douglass the right of way would have to be 30 feet if you want a mortgage. Mr. Coyle asked if there was a good water supply and Mr. Douglas said he had dug test holes and there was no problem. Mr. Wickham said he would have to put the perpetual easement on the property before it is conveyed to the Gun Club. Mr. Douglass said he would have the map redrawn. The Planning Board discussed Orient-By-The-Sea at Orient and the pictures taken by members of the Board on September 28, 1972, were presented showing that no work had been done on the r®ads. These pictures were made a part of the record. Mr. Wickham said when he went down there on some of the roads you could not even see they were skinned. The Board discussed the proposed miner subdivision of Valentine Ruch. Mr. Wickham asked if the new proposed map dated 9/27/72 was acceptable to the Board. Mr. Raynor said it was not acceptable to him. As far as I am Southold Town Planning Board page 3 October 3, 1972 concerned lot ~1 is unbuildable and lot ~3 is part of somebody else's property. Mr. Wickham said he did not bring in the instrument asked for at the last meeting; I will entertain a motion that this be approved and that he be required to give a legal instrument in recordable form stating that lot #3 will not be built on. Motion was not made. Mr. Raynor made a motion that the subdivision be denied for the following reasons: (1) Lot ~3 does not contain 40,000 square feet; (2) Lot .~1 ~y good discretion is not buildabte. There was no second to this motion. Mr, Wickham said we will request a legal instrument in recordable form saying that lot ~3 will not be built on unless it becomes the property of Valerie Ruch. Mr. Raynor asked ~f the Planning Board can do anything if a subdivider complies with what the Town Engineer has told him and it turns out to be wrong. I am referring to Emma Enterprises and their attorney tells me they are getting ready to ask for a re~ease of the bond. I have had three people come and complain to me. If we can't do anything about it the Town ~a~ot take over the roads. The property gets flooded whenever it rains. Mr. Coyle said this should be brought to the attention of the Engineer. Mr. Raynor said he thought the Board should recommend approval of the r~lease of the bond but not recommend dedication of the roads. The Chairman read the following letter from Stephen Griffing in regard to the Petrucci property on Stillwater Avenue, CUtchogue, dated September 29, 1972. "Dear Mr. Wickham: In accordance with our conversation of Friday, the 29th of September, I enclose a copyyof survey made for Sadick and Schlussel purchasers from Angelo and Georgette Petrucci~ of property on the north side of Still Water Avenue. Southold Town Planning Board - 4 - October 3, 1972 Ail I wish to have from your board is a letter indicating that the dredged canal shown on the survey was constructed in compliance with the requirements set forth in your letter addressed to Angelo Petrucci under-date of May 16, 1967. For your further information, I enclose a zerox copy of the face page of the Contract indicating that there was three parcels of land conveyed to Sadic~ and Schlussel which did not include any conveyance of Reserved Plot "A". If this is not sufficient evidence for you or for.your meeting of October 3rd, I would be very pleased to come to your next meeting providing it does not fall between the 12th and 26th of October at which time I will be on the West Coast. Thank. you for your cooperation. very truly yours, Stephen F. Gr~ffing, Jr. Mr. Raynor said he never met the fourth requirement in our letter of May 16, 1967~. Mr~ Wic~ham said-the lots were not sold as shown on the minor subdivision and they were sold by metes and bounds. Mr. Terry said they were sold with the action o'f the Appeals Board.~ Mr~ Raynor said the ~Appeals Board did not include ail ithe property in the. original subdiv±sion. It should !haVe been included. A clause on the deed o~f May 19, 1R72, from Petrucci to Sadick and Schlussel states: "Sellers represent that Zoning Board of Appeals granted a Variance ion Parcel No. 1 abovementioned on April 11, 1968, copy of Board of Appeals Action is annexed hereto and made a part hereof" Mr. Wickham said all these people want is approval of the canal from us. He wants a statement from us that we have no objlection to the canal in front of their property. We have a question about t~e rights of way.: On motion of Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was RESOLVED that the. Southold Town Planning Board give approval of the canal in front of the property of. Richard L. Sadick and Murray Schlussel, said property ~described in three deeds from Angelo Petrucci and Georgette Petrucci $outhold Town Planning Board - 5 - October 3, 1972 and recorded in the office of the Suffolk County Clerk on June 30, 1972, in Liber 7207, pages 75, 77 and 79. This approval is for the canal in front of the described property only and not for any adjoining property. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Wickham, Raynor, Moisa and Coyle. Mr. Samuel Glickman, attorney for Constantine Pappas appeared before the Board. He said he represented Mr. Pappas, the owner of a piece of land in Orient which runs approximately from the end of the north road down to the ferry. Prior to the last amendment of-the zoning ordinance his property was zoned B-1 Business under the old zoning and under the new maps. Under the master plan maps it was continually zoned as B-1 and by adoption of the Town Board it was stated that it was B-1. In ma~ing the new zoning maps inadvertantly it was made part B-1 and part ~ I am asking the.Planning Board to make correction as it now stands to show the~property as all B-1. Mr. Terry said this is right. We made the first run on the zoning map and we penciled in the mistakes to be corrected and this is one of the things that did not get covered. The master plan shows it over to the east line but when they did the final map there was about 1/8 inch not covered. Mr. Tasker said it has to go through channelS to be corrected and it starts here with a letter from the Planning Board ~hat it was on the master plan and adopted by the Town Board. Mr. Wickham said we will need to present to the Tow~ Board our work sheets. On motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr7 Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the Planning Board send a letter to the Town Board that it h~s been called to our attention that the flnal zoning map is in'error in that it does not inClude all of the property of Constantine Pappas at Orient Point shown On all of the work .sheets of the Planning Board as well as the Master Plan Map and as approved by the Town Board. This should be corrected as soon as possible. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Moisa, Coyle, Raynor, Wickham. Southold Town Planning Board - 6 - October 3, 1972 The Board discussed Mattituck Shopping Center with Mr. Joe Cippoletti. Mr. Cassella could not attend the meeting because of another appointment. The plans for the A&P building that Mr. Cippoletti is working on are not the plans approved by the Planning Board. The building is being built with a mansard roof; the approved plans are for a cupola. Mr~ Cippoletti said when he called Mr. Terry a momth ago about a mansard around the rest of the building he assumed he had those same drawings. When I ca~ted today it was a big shock that Mr. Terry did not have these drawings. Mr~ Terry said this was a major deviation from the original approved plan. Mr. Wickham said he had ~ever seen this new drawing until this morning and you are susposed to be working from plans approved by the Town of Southold. We can only say that these are unauthorized. Mr. Terry said he thought they should stick to the colonial type of roof. Mr. Cippoletti said he didn't know how he could achieve this design without ripping off the whole roof, Mr. Wickham told him we are not so much concerned with the height. The thing we want is the~colonial type of architecture for the central motiff. I simply don't like the mansard or french provincial roof. When we discussed it when Mr. Cassella was here he said he wanted to do some of it with mansard and we felt that Grants did not make that much difference. Mr. Cippoletti said he would tell A&P that this is not acceptable and you want to ~tick to the colonial type roof. We will have to go over it with the steel men and see what we can do. I know that the roof is not structurally designed for that type of roof, I would have to get the plans you have and take them to our engineering department. Mr. Wickham said the Board will review the plans he brought in we will try to get copies of the plans we have for you. Mr. Cippoletti said he will stop all construction on the A&P roof but everything else I can continue with. Mr. Terry said he will try to get the other set of plans printed up for him. It,may take two or three days. Mr. Wickham said we don't hold anything against you or Mr. Cassella but weehave no faith in the architect you are working from. Mr. Cippoletti said all the plans now are b~ng done by John Jacobsen. When we leased the building to the A&P this is the design that the A~P came up with and it was incorporated~ at the time the lease was signed, Mr. Wickham said he did not-want to speak for the Board, bUt if the A&P is,completely sold on not wanting the cupola and if yQu could come up with a colonial design without the cupola that is attractive we would be open minded about it. Mr. Cippoletti said he would if A&P will accept it and inthe interim we will stop construction on the A&P building. Southold Town Planning Board October 3, 1972 On motion of Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was RESOLVED that the next regular meeting of the Planning Board will be held October 25, 1972, at 7:30 p.m. at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Coyle, Raynor, Wickham, Moisa. On motion of Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Molsa, it.was RESOLVED that the minutes of the Planning Board meeting of September 25, 1972, be approved. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Wickham, Moisa, Raynor, Coyle. The 'Chairman read the following letter from Bache Bleecker in reference to Willow Point Subdivision, dated September 29, 1972: Dear Mr. Wickham: I am in receipt of your letter of September 21 and can appreciate your concern in ~connection with the completion of the ~mprovements at the Willow Point subdivision. · he only remaining work envolves a slight widening of the paved section of the north side of Budd's Pond Road at lots nos. 6 through 9. This work was given out to the contractor, Paul Corrazini, last June and in spite of constant prodding on mk- part had not been completed as of the date of your letter. The subgrade for the widening has now~been prepared and Mr. Corazini has promised me that the final Southold Town Planning Board - 8 - October 3, 1972 stone and oiling will be completed this week. I regret very much for the delay in the comple- tion of this work and wish to a~sure the Board that I will make every effort to insure its completion at the earliest possible date. Yours very sincerely, Bache Bleecker A letter was received from.William Wickham, Esq., in reference to property of Mary Zeneski, Little Neck Road, Cutchogue, N.Y: Gentlemen: I enclose for your recollection a copy of the Minor Subdivision as approved by you on January 13, 1969. I am also enclosing a sketch showing 4-1/4 acres on which Mrs. Zeneski has received an offer. It is my understanding that the purchaser does not wish to subdivide further; that it is his plan only to ask for a building permit for one residence on the parcel. We would appreciate your advise on how this matter is to be handled by either your Board, or the Board of Appeals, for right of access. Very cordially yours, William Wickham Mr. Terry s~id sh~ wants to sell 4 1/4 acres to somebody WiCkham saying~that this matter be handled by the Appeals Board but that the Planning Board is writing to the Appeals Board telling them that it is only for one residence. Mrs. Zeneski still has approximately 30 acres and we are not prepared to see her sell it off one lot at a time; any further encroachment should be a major subdivision, sectioned out. So~hold Town Planning Board - 9 - October 3, 1973 Mr. Terry said Russell Case was in to see him- this afternoon about spliting up property and bringing in.four minor subdivisions~ ~e was ~Is.o talking about expanding the ~elf course. Mr. Wickham said he had talked to Bill Sterling about his proposed minor subdivision at Cutchogue. He is going to give the property to his son and daughter. There are four lots~with roughly 50,000 square feet each. On motion of Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Moisa, itwas RESOLVED that the minor subdivision for Peter C. and Eloys C. Sterling at Cutchogue, New York, be approved. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Wick~am, Moisa, Raynor, Coyle. The:Southold Town Planning Board received from the Southold Town Board a proposal on the Board's own motion for a change of zone from."A" Residential and Agricultural District to "B-i" General Business District certain real property situated at Southold, New York, together:with the instructions to prepare an official report defining the conditions contained therein. This property is situated in the Town of Southold, County Of Suffolk, New York, and more particularly b0und~d and described as follows: BEGINNING.at a point on the westerly line of Mechanic Street where' said line is intersected by t~he.line between Zone A and Zone B-l; from said point of beginning running southerly along said westerly line of Mechanic Street, 620 feet, more or less, to land of Rimmler; thence westerly along said land of Rimmler 463 feet, more or less, to Wells Avenue; thence along said Wells Avenue, two courses: Southold Town Planning Board - 10 - October 3, 1972 (!) Westerly 150 feet, more or less; thence (2) Northerly 471 feet, more or less, to said line between Zone A and Zone B-l; thence easterly along said line, 580 feet, more or less to the point of beginning. Containin~ 7 acres, more or less. On motion of Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED to table discussion on.the proposed change of zone o~ Mechanic Street and Wells Avenue, Southold, until the-next meeting on October 25,11972. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs2 Wickham, Raynor, Moisa, Coyle. An application for a proposed.minor subdivision at Gull Pond Road, Greenport, was received from Regens International Corp. Mr. Terry said the property has been filled and the Health Department would not let them build on it. The adjoining subdivision is Fordham Acres. A letter will be sent to Regens International Corp. telling them to have a licensed surveyor draw up a map showing adjacent property owners andaadvising them that the right of way from Gull Pond Road to the Beach ~s 50 feet with a 100 foot turnaround at the beach. Their map shows a 20 foot right of way with 85 feet turn around. The meeting was adjourned at 10:35 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Terri Lee Elak, Secretary Southold Town Planning Board n Wickham, Chairman