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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-10/19/1972Southold Town Planning Board -C:;DUTHDLD~ L. I., N. Y. 11971 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERB John Wiokham, Chairman Henry Molsa Alfred Grebe Henry Raynor Frank Coyle MINUTES SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD October 19, 1972 A special meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was held at 7:30 p.m., Thursday, October 19, 1972, at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York. Present: John Wickh~m, Chairman; Henry Moisa, Vice Chairman; Henry Raynor; Frank Coyle. Absent: Alfred Grebe. Also present: Howard Terry, Building Inspector; Supervisor Albert Martocchia. Mr. Terry said that Mattituck Shopping Center, Inc., wants :%he Planning Board to give them a draft of w~at they require for the roof of the A&P building. A&P has a contract for a mansard roof. Mr. Wickham said that he Objected to this because he did not want the steep pitchof the mansard. What he proposes is a 12 inch pitch, but it could be put up more than that. It has been my feeling all along that it should look different than the stores next door. Mr. Raynor said Grants has a completely brick front. Mr. Terry presented Southold Town Planning Board page 2 October 19, 1972 sketches made by George Fisher. Mr. Raynor said he preferred Sketch ~2 made by Mr. Fisher. Mr. Wiekham said he talked to Joe Cippoletti and he already ordered the steel. Mr. Coyle said he agrees with Mr. Raynor that Sketch ~2 is the best; Mr. Moisa also liked this sketch. Mr. Raynor said the day we were up there and talked to Joe Cippoletti he said the mansard would be changed, but this is not what he submitted. Mr. Wickham said they originally submitted plans showing colonial and that is what they have Bo do. Joe Cippoletti said there would be no problem in changing the slspe of the roof to a more colonial type. Mr. Wickham said we agree that this Sketch #2 is close to what we want. Mr. Terry said he stopped all work on the front of the A&P store. Mr. Wickham said the real problem is the amount of pitch to the roof. As far as I am concerned 21 inches is too much. On motion of Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr, Raynor, it was RESOLVED that the design for the roof of the A&P Building in Mattituck Shopping Center as prepared by George Fisher and marked approved by the Chairman with a pitch of not less than 15 inches and not less than 21 feet 6 inches rafters is approved by the Planning Board. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Wickham, Coyle, Raynor, Moisa. The Chairman marked and initialed the plan of the wall section with.the changes in pitch for the roof of the A&P Building. The Board next discussed Orient-By-The-Sea at Orient, New York. Mr. Wickham said yesterday Mr.. Uhl and his attorney came out to see him and they went down to look at the subdivision. After exchanging letters back and forth they are prepared to put in one acre lots. After talking with Bob Tasker it appears that they will do better to file for an abandonment and refile for a Section III. In talking with Bob Tasker we discussed 3./4 acre lots. He said this poses a problem because there is no provision for doing anything with 3/4 acre lots. You would have to file for variances. They are prDpared to do the whole area in one acre lots and have a road through the center. Mr~ Martocchia asked if any lots are sold in Section III. Mr. Wickham said the big problem is he promised to put up a bond for construction of the roads and never did it. Mr. Martocchia asked if he can abandon part of the map if he sold some lots in Section II. Mr. Terry said he can abandon any part of the map that you agree to. Mr. Wickham said there is one lot in that Section that was ~ Southold Town Planning Board page 3 October 19, 1972 sold before the effective date. There is no reason you could not put the new section around this single lot. Mr. Wickham said the Planning Board will insist on having all of the Section in one acre lots with the exception of this one lo%. Mr. Martocchia said they will check into the single lot. Mr. Wickham asked Mr. Martocchia if he thought it reasonable for the Town Board to approve this new Section III and he said yes. On motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the Planning Board approve one acre lots in Orient~By-The-Sea Subdivision in the area west of Ryder Farm Lane and ~outh and west of Plum Island Lane. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs. Moisa, Coyle, Raynor. Mr. Wickham refrained from voting because Walter Uhl~s oldest son is married to his brother's daughter, who is also his wife's sister's daughter. Larry Tuthill appeared before the BO~rd~ Mr~ Martocchia said it s~ems ~ike the last couple placeSlthe drainage is not ~akingi~are of the waker. An example is Sunset Knolls; the roads broke up completely. M~. Tuthill sa~d the Town SpecifiCations call for catch basins and piping up to lea~hing~basins. This is not what is on Van Tuyl's drawings ~ t~ey are going by those ~rawings. M~. Martocchia said the s'ame owner of Sunset Knolls,. Mr. Sledjeski, is poles down and there was six i~ches to two. feet of water in the roads. Mr. Raynor said e~en if he melets what is drawn up to~e~ine~r~'s specifica~ionsland we ~have no alternative to reCommend that the Town lrel~ease the bond ~e don't have to recommend that the Town ta~e the~rOads over. Mr~ Tuthill said he assumed the subdividers were ~fo. llowing Tolwn specifications. Mr. Wickham said they have to meet Town Highway Specifications even~if it does net show on the map. Mr. TSrry also reported that some developers are also letting the roads and park and play ground go for tax sale. Southold Town Planning Board page 4 October 19, 1972 Mr..Tuthill reported that the bond estimate for Petty's Bight subdivision is to be left the same as the original dated January 17, 1972. Mr. Wickham said we were designing drainage a while back for a two inch rainfall and now we pushed it-up to about four inches. Mattituck Shopping Center is holding four inches. On motion of Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Moisa, it was RESOLVED that the Planning Board recommend to hhe Town Board a bond in the amount of $55,000, as per estimate of Lawrence Tuthill, P.E., dated January- 17, 1972, for Perry's Bight subdivision at Orient, N.Y. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs: Wickham, Moisa, Raynor, Coyle. Mr. Tuthill said the drainage for Petty's Bight is not shown adequate on the cross section map. A letter will be sent to Mr. Aurichio telling him that the drainage must conform to Town Specifications. Lawrence Tuthill gave his estimate for the bond for Land's End at Orient Point, in the amount of $100,000. Mr. Raynor asked Mr. Tuthill if this was adequate for a four inch rain fall in 24 hours and he said it was not; it is based on what is known as a ten year rain fall or two inches in 24 hours. On motion of Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the Southold~.Town Planning Board recommend to the Soutkold Town Board the bond inlthe amount of $100,000 as per estimate of Lawrence Tuthill, P.E., dated October 19, 1972, for Land's End subdivision at Orient Point, N.Y. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Messrs: Moisa, Coyle, Raynor, Wickham. Southold Town Planning Board page 5 October 19, 1972 Mr. Martocchia asked if the Board had considered the change of zone on the Town?Board's ~ motion for Mechanic Street, Southold. Mr~ Wickham said they had received the application, but have not discussed it yet. It is on the agenda for the regular meeting October 25th. Mr. Wickham also asked Mr. Martocchia if the Board would be.open to suggestion that we take less property and Mr. Martocchia said they would. Mr. Terry read the following letter from Bernard Kaplan dated October 13, 1972, with re~ard to Cleaves Point, Section III: "Dear Mr. Wickham: Enclosed please find copy of letter sent to Mr. Martocchia advising of the completion of the roads and requesting release of bond and exception of the subdivision from present zoning ordinance. Your cooperation in furthering of this matter will be appreciated. Very truly yours, DAWN ESTATES BERNARD KAPLAN" Letter to Mr. Martocchia: '!Dear Mr. Martocchia: Please be advised that we have completed the construction of Wiggins Lane and Dawn Road, Map of cleaves Point, ~Sec~ion 3 and hereby request that we be released from bond. We also request that the subdivision known as Cleaves Point, Section 3 be excepted from the lot area and lot width requirements of the present ordinance governing same. Very truly yours, DAWN ESTATES BERNARD KAPLAN" Southold Town Planning Board page 6 October 19, 1972 A letter will be sent to the Superintendent of Highways and Charles Abrahams to make final inspections and report to the Planning Board. Mr. Terry read a notice from Bache Bleeker regarding change of address to 210 East 86th Street, New York, N.Y. 10028 as of November 1, 1972. The Planning Board received a copy of a letter from Wickham & Lark, Esqs., a~dressed to Gary Flanner Olsen, Esq., dated October 10, 1972 with regard to Laurelwood Estates. The Planning Board received a copy of a letter from the Village of Greenport addressed to Valentine Ruch with regard to Shorecrest subdivision dated October 4, 1972 advising him that the water mains were approved. Mr~ ~N~c~.~eported that he had received a letter f~9~.~i~i~~'CountyDep~rtment of Planning in regard t~ii~op~! d~v~lopment of l~n.ds at Orient Point. Supervisor Mar~oC~h~aTso~read' this l~%ter. Mr. W~ckham~sazd that th~ P~h~gi B6ard has tried ~oi interest M&ss~. Wilsberg and Cr0~ in ~0me sort of a deal where they Would develop par~ of~it ahd part of it they would sell to the County or ~oW~. Now D~ckl Crom tells me he has reversed himself completely. ~They want to put up condominiums and set a very large portion of it aside with a scenic easement. I said the question is going to be how much multiple residences do you want and how much land would you give. He.did not have an answer-to that. Mr. Martocchia said he thought a motel, a Part3 golf course and a recreation place witch a pool, dance fl~or and small convention hall would be nice. Southold Town Planning Board page 7 October 19, 1972 The-meeting was adjourned at 9:15 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Terri Lee Elak, Secretary Southold Town Planning Board o~n Wickham, Chairma~