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HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB-06/19/2001SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD JUNE 19, 2001 Work Session: Present: Supervisor Jean W. Cochran, Justice Louisa P. Evans, Councilman William D. Moore, Councilman Brian G. Murphy, Councilman John M. Romanelli, Councilman Craig A. Richter, Town Clerk Elizabeth A. Neville, Town Attorney Gregory F. Yakaboski. 9:00 a.m. Ad Hoc Housing Committee presentation - Supervisor Cochran spoke about the Ad Hoc Housing Committee that she formed nine months ago with the goal of providing concepts for affordable housing to the young and old. Supervisor Cochran introduced the members of her committee as follows: David Saland, Richard Israel, and Joseph McCarthy. William Cremers, Planning Board member; Craig Turner, Planner; and Michael Verity, Building Inspector and William F. Mullen also sat in on the committee, as well as the Town Board members from time to time. Richard Israel acted as the spokesman for the committee. He explained that today he will focus more on the general concepts. The projects that they are working on are not yet quite ready for a presentation. A meeting was set-up with the developers and other people who have worked on this type of project through out the state. One of the problems that they came up with is that most of them said "you give me 14 units to the acre and two stories, and we will give you as much affordable housing as you want." However, the committee didn't think that this would mesh into the flavor of Southold Town. We have never done any apartment buildings in Southold Town. We have to find a way to create apartments for all young people and seniors who want to remain living in their own hamlets. Affordable houses with accessory apartments in new construction would accomplish this. The owner occupied landlord would make sure that their tenant is a good quiet person. Every year the owner would be required to submit a letter showing who is in their accessory apartment. The income from that apartment will help support the mortgage that is going to be necessary to get into that affordable housing. The other way is to start utilizing the second and third stories of existing houses and buildings near the downtown areas to put people close to transportation. In the past we were kind of limited as to where affordable houses went. Ten years ago the availability of public water was not what it is today. The concept is to look at Southold as a whole and see if we can create several good projects. Right now they have 3-4 projects that they want to consider. Ideally, affordable housing should be located near the hamlets, not out in the farm fields. There are four possible projects one for Mattituck, Cutchogue, Southold, and Greenport that would create about 50 apartments within existing homes and 50 affordable housing units for families .In Mattituck, developer George Weiser is proposing a project off Factory Avenue next to the railroad track easement close to the shopping center. The site contains 7.4 acres and public water and gas is already available there. The property is currently zoned R-80 Low Density Residential. Mr. Weiser plans to ask for Hamlet Density and hopes to fit 12 homes on the site. He plans to have the Long Island Housing Partnership available as the administrative arm in order to bring in SUNY MAE and other perks. In Cutchogue, developer Joseph Manzi is proposing a 4.4 acre site off New Suffolk Road and Case's Lane. He plans to construct 6 houses on the main 3 acre site and two affordable apartment units on the 1.4 acre site, a total of 8 homes which would include between 4 to 6 accessory apartments in a "New England" style. In Southold, Richard Israel proposes to build 18 affordable homes with some accessory apartments on the Charnews farm parcel between Horton's Lane and Young's Avenue on half acre parcels. He said that he plans to do this without any grants or subsidies. In Greenport, developer John Hurtado is proposing 7 affordable homes on a 5.7 acre parcel at the intersection of North Road and Sound Avenue. Two would front on Sound Avenue and five on the cul-de-sac on Sutton Place on one third acre parcels. All of the proposed projects would necessitate a change of zone to hamlet density. 10:15 a.m. - James McMahon, Executive Administrator gave the Town Board an update on Mattituck Inlet and Goldsmith's Inlet. Mr. McMahon advised that he just received an agreement in 6/19/2001 2 yesterday's mail to extend the NYS DOS agreement to 2002 for the $90,000. for the modeling of Goldsmith's Inlet. He will be working with Steve Ridler on this. Mr. McMahon said that in his last conversation with Steve Ridler and Barry Pendergast they indicated that there is some flexibility in how the money could be spent. Town Attorney Yakaboski stated that there is no flexibility in moving it to any other area, other than Goldsmith's Inlet. Congressman Grucci recently received funding for the Mattituck Inlet area. Mr. McMahon said that there are both short and long term solutions being proposed. The only long term solution is a sand by-pass system. The short term solution of piling sand up on the beach is cost prohibitive. The estimated cost of dredging is $10.00 per cubic yard. There is no money in the Town budget for that to happen. The position that the Department of State has taken is that this is a Federal channel and the erosion that has taken place is the result of the placement of the jetty and the long term call will be by the Department of Army Engineers in the 111 Study. Supervisor Cochran asked the Town Board for their thoughts on it. Councilman Brian Murphy asked if there is any schedule for the federal dredging in Mattituck? Mr. McMahon asked Mr. & Mrs. McGreevey who were present if they knew anything about it? Ron McGreevey said that he thinks that it is supposed to be this year. Mr. McMahon said that with the piping plovers nesting, he doesn't think it will take place until after September. It is a ten year cycle for maintenance dredging. Unless, they find out there is a problem, then they will come and dredge sooner. Supervisor Cochran asked Mr. McMahon who the man was on the beach that she saw there? Mr. McMahon said that thought he was with the Army Corps of Engineers on the 111 Study and he was probably surveying to record the pre-conditions before their dredging. Doris McGreevey asked about the EPF funds. Mr. McMahon said that the Clean Air/Clean Water Bond Act Funds are available for these types of projects. This is one of those projects that they know exactly what the solution is. The only way that the DOS contact people said it could be fixed is with a sand/clay pass system. There is money there to do it, at least the initial work for it. Supervisor Cochran said that the next step is the 111 Study. She asked how long it will take to complete this study. Mr. McGreevey said that they are estimating 2-3 years, possibly 5 years. Doris McGreevey said that out of the $260,000. that has been applied for in funding, only $40,000. has been received so far. They reported that a lot of boats are bottoming out at low tide in that area. Unfortunately, most of them go unreported. It would be helpful to gain funding if these incidents were reported. Perhaps when the dredge comes from the federal agency to do the 20 yards, something could be worked out that they do a little more. The Mattituck Inlet contingency stated that they are looking to Southold Town and Supervisor Jean Cochran for her leadership and support with regard to solving these issues and gaining funding. 10:47 a.m. - The Town Board reviewed IV. For Discussion items as follows: IV. 1. Five Acre Zoning. The Town Board examined the draft of the proposed law presented to them by Town Attorney Gregory Yakaboski. He explained the special exceptions that have been drafted to grandfather lots that have been set-off by farmers who have sold development rights on the bulk of their property. There was a discussion on special exceptions on certain other subdivision applications. Some of the special exception uses would be deleted from the agricultural zone. Some would still be allowed with approval from the Board of Appeals. Mandatory clustering was also discussed. All of the Town Board members were not in agreement with the clustering concept. Melissa Spiro, Land Preservation Department explained that there must be a way to except some of these conditions to developers offering lower density in exchange for larger lot sizes. The proposal as presented was a draft only and will be reviewed and changed many times before any laws are actually written. On motion by Justice Louisa Evans, seconded by Councilman Brian Murphy, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby enters into Executive Session at 11:57 a.m. for the purpose of discussing contracts and property acquisition. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes, Councilman Richter, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was declared duly adopted. On motion by Councilman Brian Murphy, seconded by Councilman John Romanelli, it was RESOLVED that the town Board of the Town of Southold hereby exits from this Executive Session at 12:25 p.m. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was declared duly adopted. 12:25 p.m the Town Board recessed for lunch at this time. 1:45 p.m. The Town Board continued to review IV. For Discussion items - IV. 2. Whitaker House. Councilman Craig Richter reported on his meeting with the Ad Hoc Committee on the Whitaker House. There was a consensus of this committee and the Town Board members who were in attendance that the house could be saved. However, no plans will be made until an engineers report 6/19/2001 3 is obtained. The Town Board placed Resolution no. 468 on the agenda to engage the services of Cronin and Cronin, Engineers, LLP with regard to the Whitaker House. Funds in the amount of $2,000. for this service to come out of the Buildings & Grounds budget line. James Grathwohl, Chairman of this committee mentioned that he would like to see the house preserved with fund raising monies from the community. IV. 3 Appointments to the Fishers Island Harbor Committee. The Town Board placed Resolution no's. 469 & 470 on the agenda for these appointments. IV. 4. Soundings. Chief Cochran advised that Bay Constable Kent McCarthy offered to do the soundings for the Trustees. 2:09 p.m. The Town Board reviewed the resolutions to be voted upon at the regular 4:30 p.m. meeting. On motion by Justice Louisa Evans, seconded by Councilman John Romanelli, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby enters into Executive Session at 2:12 p.m. for the purpose of discussing personnel - particular persons, contracts, & litigation. On motion by Councilman Richter, seconded by Justice Louisa Evans, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby exits from this executive session at 3:42 p.m. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was declared duly adopted. This work session ended at 3:42 p.m. 6/19/2001 4 GENERAL MEETING JUNE19,2001 4:30 P.M. A Regular Meeting of the Southold Town Board was held on June 19, 2001, at the Southold Town Hall, Southold, New York. Supervisor Cochran opened the meeting at 4:30 P.M. with the Pledge of Allegiance led by Town Clerk Neville. Present: Supervisor Jean W. Cochran Justice Louisa P. Evans Councilman William D. Moore Councilman John M. Romanelli Councilman Brian G. Murphy Councilman Craig A. Richter Town Clerk Elizabeth A. Neville Town Attorney Gregory A. Yakaboski SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: May I have a motion to approve the audit of the bills of June 19th, 20017 Moved by Councilman Richter, seconded by Justice Evans, it was RESOLVED that the following bills be and here are ordered paid: General Fund Whole Town bills in the amount of $251,959.03; General Fund Part Town bills in the amount of $14,319.38; Highway Fund Whole Town bills in the amount of $38,370.77; Highway Fund Part Town bills in the amount of $33,618.30; Capital Projects Account bills in the amount of $35,617.71; Scenic Byways Corridor Capital bills in the amount of $8,250.00; Landfill Cap & Closure bills in the amount of $116.66; Employee Health Benefit Plan bills in the amount of $6,731.65; Fishers Island Ferry District bills in the amount of $36,323.82; Refuse and Garbage District bills in the amount of $36,323.82; Refuse & Garbage District bills in the amount of $211,519.88; Southold Wastewater District bills in the amount of $13,721.28; Fishers Island Sewer District bills in the amount of $1,800.82; Southold Agency & Trust bills in the amount of $4,001.94; Fishers Island Ferry District bills in the amount of $134.35. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: A motion to approve the minutes of June 5th, 2001 Board meeting. Moved by Councilman Richter, seconded by Justice Evans, it was RESOLVED that the minutes of the June 5, 2001 Town Board meeting be and hereby are approved. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: On this next one setting the next Board meeting for July 3rd, we never did finish making a determination there, but yes, stay with on the third? You will be able to over to the official one at least on the Tuesday? I am talking about July 3rd. COUNCILMAN ROMANELLI: Yes, I will be at the evening meeting. Yes, I will be. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: I think it is important that the entire Board is here. It is fine then. May I have a motion to approve the next regular Town Board meeting for Tuesday, July 3rd, 2001 at 7:00 P.M.? Moved by Councilman Richter, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was RESOLVED that the next meeting of the Southold Town Board will be held at 7:00 P.M., Tuesday, July 3, 2001 at the Southold Town Hall, Southold, New York. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Okay. We got our meeting dates out, because it is little confusing because on the Monday of this next Board meeting, which is scheduled on Tuesday we have to go to 6/19/2001 5 Fishers Island for a hearing, and it is something that affects the island so we have to go over there to have our hearing. At this point I have some special presentations, which is always fun to do. When we have the presentation of the Tree Committee Arbor Day Contest, when the school had been notified and they thought we had notified the children, and so, we gave these awards, by golly, two little faces were missing, which we felt badly, so we asked them to come in today, and one is Councilman Murphy's granddaughter. Caitlin was a runner up. Ryan, how are you? You were the first place winner, Ryan McIntire. We apologize that you got lost in the shuffle last time, and you were the first place winner. Do you want to join me? Congratulations. Anyone here from the Anti Bias Task Force? Give us a little background and tell us what it is all? Moved by Supervisor Cochran, seconded by the Entire Town Board, WHEREAS; the Southold Town Anti-Bias Task Force, created to promote diversity, unity and understanding among the residents of our Town, wishes to give special recognition to those whose efforts have contributed importantly to the fulfillment of its mission of overcoming bias and prejudice of any kind; and W H E R E A S: through creation of a Citizen of the Year Award, the Anti-Bias Task Force hopes to encourage individuals and organizations throughout the Town of Southold to strive to undertake even stronger efforts to make Southold a truly bias-free community; and W H E R E A S: ANNE SMITH, Principal of Cutchogue East Elementary School, models and lives for her staff and students. She has made a commitment to creating a community awareness of the contributions of all peoples through respect and celebration of diversity and concern for the dignity and decency for all; now, therefore, be it R E S O L V E D: that the Town Board of the Town of Southold on the recommendation of the Task Force hereby applauds and congratulates ANNE SMITH for being the recipient of the Anti-Bias Task Force Citizen of the Year 2001. D A T E D: June 19, 2001 Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. Moved by Supervisor Cochran, seconded by The Entire Town Board Whereas; the Southold Town Anti-Bias Task Force, created to promote diversity, unity and understanding among the residents of our Town, wishes to give special recognition to those whose efforts have contributed importantly to the fulfillment of its mission of overcoming bias and prejudice of any kind; and W H E R E A S; through creation of a Citizen of the Year Award, the Anti-Bias Task Force hopes to encourage individuals and organizations throughout the Town of Southold to strive to undertake even stronger efforts to make Southold a truly bias-free community; and W H E R E A S; through his writings, activities and actions MATTHEW CHINGOS has demonstrated an exemplary understanding of the harmony, unity and compassion necessary to stamp out the scourge of prejudice wherever it may exist and, in doing so has set a worthy example for all of us to follow; now, therefore, be it R E S O L V E D; that the Town Board of the Town of Southold on the recommendation of the Task Force hereby applauds and congratulates MATTHEW CHINGOS for being the recipient of the Anti- Bias Task Force Citizen of the Year 2001. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. I. REPORTS. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: As you know every Board meeting every two weeks the Town Board receives written reports from the different committees, and/or departments, and they are listed on your agenda. They are public information. They are available in the Town Clerk's Office. If there is anything here that you are interested in, and would like to know more about, please, feel free to come in and see Mrs. Neville, and she will be very pleased to help you out. 1. Southold 2. Southold 3. Southold 4. Southold 5. Southold 6. Southold 7. Southold 8. Southold 9. Southold Town Budget Report for month ended April 30, 2001. Town Justice Bruer Monthly Report for May 2001. Town Justice Evans Monthly Report for May 2001. Town Justice Price Monthly Report for May 2001. Animal Shelter Monthly Report for April 2001. Animal Shelter Monthly Report for May 2001. Town's Program for the Disabled for May 2001 Events. Town Trustee's Monthly Report for May 2001. Town Budget Report for month ending May 31,2001. 6/19/2001 6 10. Southold Town Police Department Detective Division/JAB Reports for April and May 2001. II. PUBLIC NOTICES. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Public notices, we have a John Casillo to dredge with ten year maintenance and construct a bulkhead, and that is Shelter Island Sound in Greenport, US Corp of Engineers. If you would like to make comment it has to be in by June 29, 2001. New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Notice of Complete Application Suffolk County Water Authority utilizing two existing wells on Depot Lane in Cutchogue. Written comments by July 13, 2001. U.S. Army Corp of Engineers, NY District request of James Harrington to construct an elevated walkway leading to a mooring dock in James Creek, Great Peconic Bay, Town of Southold. Comments by July 9, 2001. 1. U.S. Army Corp of Engineers, NY District, Request of John J. Casillo to dredge with ten years maintenance and construct a bulkhead extension in Fordham Canal, Shelter Island Sound, Greenport, Town of Southold. Written comments by June 29, 2001. 2. New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Notice of Complete Application of Suffolk County Water Authority to utilize two existing wells at Depot Lane, Cutchogue, Town of Southold. Written comments by July 13, 2001. 3. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, NY District, Request of James Harrington to construct an elevated walkway leading to a mooring dock in James Creek, Great Peconic Bay, Town of Southold. Comments by July 9, 2001. III. COMMUNICATIONS. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: We had a letter from Peggy Murphy, who is responsible for concerts we have on the Green every year. She does a nice job with her committee. It is all volunteers, and she sent a copy of the schedule, so we can copy all the Board members, and she is hoping that we all turn out, and enjoy the concerts through the summer on the Green on Wednesday nights. Also, a letter from William Higgins in relation to Goldsmith's Inlet. As you may or may not be aware the Town Board discussed this, this morning, and had an update on both Goldsmith's Inlet, and Mattituck Breakwater. 1. Peggy Murphy, Summer Showcase Coordinator in regard to schedule of concerts. 2. William Higgins in regard to Goldsmith's Inlet. IV. PUBLIC HEARINGS. 1. 5:00 P.M., on the fee title acquisition Aurichio, SCTM #1000-56-5-16. 2. 5:02 P.M., on a proposed "Local Law in Relation to adding a Stop Sign at Greenwood Road, Fishers Island, New York". 3. 5:04 P.M., on a proposed "Local Law in Relation to adding a Stop Sign on Winthrop Drive, Fishers Island, New York". 4. 5:06 P.M., on a proposed "Local Law in Relation to adding a Stop Sign on Trumball Drive, Fishers Island, New York". V. RESOLUTIONS. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: As you know the Town Board has a policy that you may address the Town Board in relation to any of the resolutions that are on the agenda. We will take that input at this time before we do the passing of the resolutions. If you would like to speak to the Town Board on any other Town business at the end of the meeting we have a segment that permits you to share whatever you would like to with the Board in relation to Town business. So, at this time is there anyone that would like to address the Town Board in relation to any of the resolution on the agenda? Anyone like to address the Town Board? (No response.) If not, we will continue on in the passage of our work resolutions. #441 Moved by Councilman Richter, seconded by Councilman Romanelli, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints the following individuals to be employed by the Fishers Island Ferry District as part-time deckhands at a rate of $8.00 per hour, effective June 21, 2001: Justin Opalenski Daniel Rodriguez Benjamin E. Spitz 6/19/2001 7 Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, #442 Moved by Councilman Romanelli, seconded by Justice Evans, it was RESOLVED that Michael Fiora's status be chan~ed from a part-time deckhand to full-time deckhand with the Fishers Island Ferry District~ to fill the vacancy created when Sean O'Meara left, at a rate of $10.50 per hour effective June 21, 2001. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #443 Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Richter, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby sets the following wages for the following part-time Fishers Island Ferry District employees effective June 21,2001: BURDICK, Benjamin $ 8.40 CHANSKI, Mark 8.40 CLARKE, Shane 8.80 DAVIS, Kyle 8.66 DIXON, Deborah 9.00 EASTER, Brenton 9.71 EASTER, Eric 8.66 GALLAGHER, Kevin 8.66 GELMAN, Michael 9.66 GORRA, Kyle 8.25 GROTE, David 12.48 GURAL, John 13.69 HENDERSON III, William 13.69 HENSON, Eugene 20.76 KOPIJ, Henry 13.69 LYNCH, Matthew 8.25 McG1NLEY, Brendon 8.66 MORGAN, John 8.66 NIEDOJADLO, Richard 9.07 OPALENSKI, Michael 8.40 PIACENZA, John 13.69 RIZZO, Thomas 8.40 ROTH, Carl 8.40 RUSSO, Stephen 8.66 SAWYER, Joshua 8.66 SCOTT, Bonnie 8.40 SEARLE, Jack 9.45 SMITH III, F. Russell 8.40 STANFORD, John 13.65 STEPANEK, Charles 10.54 STEPANEK, Evelyn 10.54 VEITCH, Geoffrey 8.25 WALKER, Jon-Michael 8.66 Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #444 Moved by Councilman Romanelli, seconded by Justice Evans, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby recognizes the following individuals for their individual performance of duty by having rates of pay set as follow effective June 21,2001. Jesse MARSHALL George PEABODY Nina SCHMID Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: $13.85 per hour 12.80 per hour 15.00 per hour. Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. 6/19/2001 8 #445 Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Richter, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the Solid Waste Management District 2000 budget as follows: To: SR.9901.9.000.100 Transfers to Capital Fund From: SR.9710.6.100.100 Serial Bond Principal Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. $144,276.96 $144,276.96 Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, #446 Moved by Councilman Richter, seconded by Justice Evans, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts the resignation of John F. Troyam Jr. part-time gatekeeper at the Southold Town Solid Waste District~ effective immediately. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #447 Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Romanelli, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby approves the extension of the subdivision performance bond for the completion of roads and drainage improvements in the subdivision known as Summit Estates~ Section I at East Marion for a six-month period of time to expire on December 7~ 2001. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: We are holding #448. #449 Moved by Councilman Romanelli, seconded by Councilman Richter, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints Jason Burden as a part-time Guard (Gatekeeper) at the Town's Solid Waste District at the rate of $9.50 per hour, effective June 20, 2001. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #45O Moved by Councilman Romanelli, seconded by Justice Evans, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes the establishment of the following Capital Proiect in the 2001 Capital Budget: Capital Project Name: Survey Transit Financing Method: Transfer from General Fund Whole Town Budget: Revenues: H. 5031.28 Interfund Transfers Appropriations: H. 1440.2.100.100 Engineering Capital Outlay Survey Transit Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. $1,435.00 $1,435.00 Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, #451 Moved by Councilman Richter, seconded by Justice Evans, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoint the following 2001 seasonal summer staff for the period June 2 - September 14~ 2001 as follows: STILLWATER LIFEGUARDS David Allen (1 st year) ............................................. $10.29/hour 6/19/2001 9 Dan Bladykas (1 st year) ........................................... $10.29/hour Deirdre Cannell (2nd year) ....................................... $10.54/hour Ryan Claire (4th year) ............................................. $11.04/hour Kerry Daly (2nd year) ............................................. $10.54/hour Joyce Dumas (5th year) ........................................... $11.29/hour Robert Harper (2nd year) .......................................... $10.54/hour Marie Kayton (8th year) ........................................... $11.54/hour Jonathon Kraemer (1 st year) ...................................... $10.29/hour Jennifer MacDonald (4th year) ................................... $11.04/hour Kelly MacDonald (1 st year) ...................................... $10.29/hour Tim MacDonald (1 st year) ........................................ $10.29/hour Kathryn Magill (4th year) ......................................... $11.04/hour Kevin Magill (2nd year) .......................................... $10.54/hour Melissa Malkush (2nd year) ...................................... $10.54/hour Lauren Markowski (4th year) .................................... $11.04/hour Peter McKee (2nd year) ........................................... $10.54/hour Marybeth Quane (4th year) ....................................... $11.04/hour Alison Raynor (1 st year) .......................................... $10.29/hour Brenna Shields (1 st year) .......................................... $10.29/hour Andrew Stritzl (1 st year) .......................................... $10.29/hour Caty Tillman (2nd year) ........................................... $10.54/hour Arnold Vollmoeller (2nd year) ................................... $10.54/hour Jennifer Whyard (2nd year) ....................................... $10.54/hour BEACH ATTENDANTS Jordan Doroski (2nd year) ......................................... $7.94/hour Jesse Grant (1 st year) .............................................. $7.79/hour Peter Gunderson (2nd year) ....................................... $7.94/hour Amanda Jester (2nd year) ......................................... $7.94/hour Jeanniemarie Jimenez (1 st year) ................................. $7.79/hour Alexandria Lawson (1 st year) ..................................... $7.79/hour RECREATION SPECIALISTS (WATER SAFETY INSTRUCTORS) Kristina Amato (2nd year) ......................................... $14.29/hour Marie Kayton (4th year) .......................................... $14.29/hour BEACH MANAGERS Erin McDuffee (1 st year) .......................................... $11.54/hour Arthur Quintana (13th year) ....................................... $13.54/hour RECREATION AIDES (PLAYGROUND INSTRUCTORS) Kerri Erdmann (1st year) .......................................... $9.54/hour Danielle Maisano (2nd year) ...................................... $9.54/hour BEACH MANAGER (LIFEGUARD TRAINER) Kim Deppoliti (Sth year) .......................................... $13.54/hour Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #452 Moved by Councilman Romanelli, seconded by Justice Evans, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the General Fund 2001 budget as follows: To: Revenues: A.3089.70 State Aid $1,392.17 Appropriations: A. 1355.4.600.200 Board of Assessors Meetings & Seminars Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. $1,392.17 Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, #453 Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Richter, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the General Fund Whole Town 2001 budget as follows: To: 6/19/2001 10 Revenues: A.2705.40 Gifts & Donations $3,940.00 Appropriations: A. 1620.2.500.900 Buildings & Grounds, Equipment $3,940.00 Flagpoles Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #454 Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Richter, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby grants the following change of title for Keith P. Tirabassi~ a Highway Department employee stationed on Fishers Island~ from full-time Laborer to full-time Automotive Mechanic II at a starting salary of $14.9750 per hour, effective June 21,2001, as recommended by Superintendent of Highways Raymond L. Jacobs. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #455 Moved by Councilman Richter, seconded by Justice Evans, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs Supervisor Jean W. Cochran to execute an agreement with the following individuals for the summer 2001 recreation programs, all in accordance with the approval of the town attorney. Jim Baglivi (youth open gym) ........................... $25/hour Sal Campo (youth open gym) ............................ $25/hour Eugenia Cherouski (folk dancing) ....................... $20/hour Shirley Darling (tennis) ................................... $25/class Lucy Damron (Spanish) .................................. $20/hour Martha Eagle (Aerobics) ................................. $30/hour Lauren Egan (Adult CPR) .............................. $40/person (Pediatric CPR) .......................... $45/person East End Insurance Services (Defensive Driving) .... $30/person Rose Gatto (cooking) ..................................... $20/hour Frank Gatto (cooking) .................................... $1 O/class Carol Giordano (Baton) ................................... $20/class David Haurus (golf) ....................................... $38/person Kevin Leavay (youth open gym) ........................ $25/hour Hidden Lake Farms (Horseback Riding) ............... $175/person Rosemary Martilotta (yoga) .............................. $50/class Tom McGunnigle (golf) .................................. $45/person Sally Napoli (youth open gym) .......................... $25/hour Theresa Pressler (youth program) ....................... $20/hour Virginia Ross (horseback) ................................ $215/person Peter Salerno (youth open gym) ........................ $25/hour Daniel Slatkin (violin) .................................... $20/hour Steve Smith (youth open gym) .......................... $25/hour Yola Van Huele (ballroom dancing) .................... $25/hour Chris Vedder (golf) ....................................... $38/person Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #456 Moved by Councilman Richter, seconded by Justice Evans, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints Laura Pauter to the full-time position of Building Permits Examiner in the Building Department at a yearly salary of $32,908.52, effective July 5, 2001. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #457 Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Romanelli, it was 6/19/2001 11 RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby requests that the New York State Department of Transportation conduct a traffic survey on Alvah's Lane, between Route 25 and Route 48, in Cutchogue, New York for the purpose of lowering the speed limit from the currently posted 40 MPH to 30 MPH Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #458 Moved by Councilman Romanelli, seconded by Justice Evans, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby modifies the Solid Waste District 2001 Budget as follows: To: Licenses & Permits $ 500.00 Maintenance/Facilities & Grounds $ 5,000.00 Security/Alarm Systems $ 3,500.00 Filing & Storage Equipment $ 600.00 SR. 8160.4.600.700 SR. 8160.4.100.800 SR. 8160.4.400.900 SR. 8160.2.200.300 From: SR. 8160.4.400.825 SR. 8160.4.400.810 SR. 8160.2.100.200 Vote of the Town Glass Removal C & D Removal Desks Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. $ 500.00 $8,500.00 $ 600.00 Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, #459 Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Romanelli, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby agrees and is committed to use "Town Revenue Sharing Partnership for Affordable Homes/Starter Homes Initiative Funds"~ forwarded to the County of Suffolk as a result of the settlement reached between the County and LIPA, solely and exclusively to create affordable housing opportunities for the citizens of Southold Town and the Town of Southold hereby affirms that the Southold Town's HOME Program for First Time Homebuyers is consistent with the procedures and requirements of the Suffolk County Affordable Housing Opportunities Program. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #46O Moved by Councilman Romanelli, seconded by Justice Evans, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs Supervisor Jean W. Cochran to execute a contract with H2M Group for the procurement of engineering services for the development of a DEC-permitted yard waste composting facility, all in accordance with the review and approval of the Town Attorney. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #461 Moved by Councilman Romanelli, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Southold wishes to acquire the attached list of parcels from the County of Suffolk for municipal purposes; now therefore be it RESOLVED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold that this action be classified as an Unlisted Action pursuant to the SEQRA Rules and Regulations, 6NYCRR 617.1 et. Seq.; be it further RESOLVED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold that the Town of Southold is the only involved agency pursuant to SEQRA Rules and Regulations; be it further RESOLVED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold that the Short Environmental Form prepared for this project is accepted and attached hereto; be it further RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby finds no significant impact on the environment and declares a negative declaration pursuant to SEQRA Rules and Regulations for this action. COUNCILMAN ROMANELLI: These are a lot of road ends, mostly road ends, park and playgrounds that the County uses for different things, and they are giving them to the Town. 6/19/2001 12 Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, #462 Moved by Councilman Richter, seconded by Councilman Romanelli, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby agrees to accept the following parcels from the County of Suffolk, for municipal purposes: Municipal Purpose Park/Open Space Road System Park/Open Space Road System Park/Open Space Tax Map Parcel 1000-56-1-2.15 1000-56-1-2.34 1000-59-4-5.9 1000-59-4-7 1000-70-13-20.34 1000-74-1-44.11 1000-79-3-30 1000-79-7-41 1000-84-1-6.18 1000-95-4-18.41 1000-100-3-10.16 1000-100-3-15.14 1000-102-8-35 1000-107-2-3.15 1000-113-14-11 Vote of the Town Board: Park/Open Space Park/Open Space Park/Open Space Park/Open Space Park/Open Space Park/Open Space Park/Open Space Park/Open Space Park/Open Space Park/Open Space Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, #463 Moved by Councilman Romanelli, seconded by Councilman Richter, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby accepts the resignation of Harriet Upton from her position as weekend assistant cook at the Southold Town Human Resource Center. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #464 Moved by Councilman Richter, seconded by Justice Evans, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes and directs Town Clerk Elizabeth Neville to advertise for the position of a weekend assistant cook for 10 hours per week at a rate of $12.41 per hour. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #465 Moved by Councilman Romanelli, seconded by Councilman Richter, it was WHEREAS the Fishers Island Ferry District of the Town of Southold is proposing to rebuild and expand the Fishers Island Ferry District Terminal located in New London, Connecticut; and WHEREAS all the Fishers Island Ferry District has completed an extensive permitting process in support of the terminal expansion project, and WHEREAS all permits requisite to initiation of the project have been received including, but not necessarily limited to U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, National Marine Fisheries (under COFE), State of Connecticut Department of Environmental Protection, and the city of New London, Connecticut Planning & Zoning/CAM/FEMA; and WHEREAS because said project is located in a political subdivision other than New York, it is concluded that the existing permits meet or exceed SEQRA requirements; now, therefore, be it RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold declares this to be an Unlisted Action under the SEQRA Rules and Regulations, 6 NYCRR 617.1 et. seq.; be it further RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold is lead agency and there are no other involved agencies for SEQRA purposes pursuant to 6 NYCRR 617.6 et. seq.; be it further RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold, upon completion and review of the Short Environmental Assessment Form and attachments prepared for this project and attached hereto, makes a determination of significance for this proiect to be that there will be no significant adverse 6/19/2001 13 impact on the environment and thereby issues a negative declaration pursuant to the SEQRA rules and regulations. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #466 Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Romanelli, it was A regular meeting of the Town Board of the Town of Southold, in the County of Suffolk, New York, held at the Town Hall, 53095 Main Road, Southold, in said Town, on the 19th day of June, 2001. PRESENT: Hon. Jean W. Cochran, Supervisor Louisa P. Evans, Justice William D. Moore, Councilperson John M. Romanelli, Councilperson Brian G. Murphy, Councilperson Craig A. Richter, Councilperson In the Matter of the The construction of a new and expanded ferry terminal for the Fishers Island Ferry District ORDER CALLING PUBLIC HEAR1NG TO BE HELD ON July 9, 2001 WHEREAS, the Board of Commissioners of the Fishers Island Ferry District (the "Board" and the "Ferry District", respectively), in the Town of Southold (the "Town"), Suffolk County, New York, pursuant to the resolution adopted and subscribed by each of the members of the Board on June 19, 2001 and, together with the petition in due form, duly submitted to the Town Board (the "Town Board" ) of the Town (certified copies of such resolution and petition are attached hereto and made a part hereof), has requested the Town Board to call a public hearing to hear all persons interested in the subject thereof, being the construction of a new and expanded ferry terminal on the land heretofore acquired and now owned by the District, being the site of the existing ferry terminal in the City of New London, Connecticut, including bulkheading, placement of fill installation of utilities, concrete vaults for two underground storage tanks for fuel and waste oil, a perimeter drainage system, parking areas for vehicles, a wider easement for ingress and egress and the necessary facilities and appurtenances thereto, the resulting terminal area, including said building to be approximately double the size of the existing terminal all as more fully described in the "Preliminary Engineering Report", dated May 31, 2001, prepared by Docko, Inc., licensed engineers, on file in the office of the District and the office of the Town Clerk of the Town, as well as original furnishings, equipment, machinery and apparatus required for the purposes for which such building and terminal are to be used (herein called the "Project") , the estimated maximum cost thereof being $8,000,000, including the amount of $1,250,000 from the T21 Program of the United States in addition to the amount heretofore approved, $3,000,000 expected to be received from the United States Department of Transportation, $3,000,000 expected to be received from the FHWA and the aggregate amount of $2,000,000 expected to be received from the State of New York and to finance the balance of such cost by the issuance of Town obligations in the amount of not to exceed $4,800,000 at anyone time pursuant to the Local Finance Law, and that to pay the principal of and interest on such obligations as the same shall become due and payable, a sum sufficient therefor shall be levied and collected from the several lots and parcels of land within the District, in the same manner and at the same time as other Town charges; and WHEREAS, the Town Board has proceeded with all procedures requisite to ensuring that the project will have no adverse impact upon the environment and permits for construction of the Project have been applied for and obtained from all known necessary agencies, including the Connecticut Department of Environmental protection, the U.S. Army Corps. of Engineers and said City of New London and copies of such, permits are available for inspection in the office of the Secretary of said Board of commissioners, and in the office of the Town Clerk of Southold. WHEREAS, the Town Board in the role of Lead Agency, has undertaken the requisite proceedings pursuant to the New York State Environmental Quality Review Act ("SEQRA"} and has determined that the Project is an Unlisted Action thereunder having no adverse impact upon the environment and, further, has determined to issue a Negative Declaration and file same with the Town Clerk. 6/19/2001 14 NOW THEREFORE, IT IS ORDERED that a public hearing be held by the Town Board on the 9th day of July 2001, at 1:00 o'clock P.M. (Prevailing Time), at the Fishers Island Fire House, Fishers Island, in the Town, to consider the Project and to finance the cost thereof as hereinabove described and to levy upon and collect from the several lots and parcels of land within the Ferry District, a sum sufficient to pay the principal of and interest on such obligations as the same shall become due and payable, in the same manner and at the same time as other Town charges; and ALL PERSONS desiring to be heard concerning the subject matter of the above referenced public hearing will be given an opportunity to be heard at the time and place aforesaid; AND, IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Town Clerk is hereby authorized and directed to cause a copy of Notice of Public Hearing in substantially the form prescribed in Exhibit "A" attached hereto and made a part hereof, (i) to be published once in "THE SUFFOLK TIMES", a newspaper published in Mattituck, having a general circulation within the Town of Southold, (ii) to be posted the sign board of the Town and in five conspicuous public places within the District, and, (iii) to be mailed by first class mail to each owner of real property in the District subject to the assessment, levy and collection of amounts equal to the principal of and interest on such obligations when cue and payable, such publication, such posting and such mailing to occur not less than ten (10) nor more than twenty (20) days prior to such public hearing. '['OWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF SOEJTHOLD an x,V. Cochran Supervisor Justice Councilperson Members of tt~e Town Board of tim "Fow~ of' Southold, New York Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, #467 Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Romanelli, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby authorizes Supervisor Jean W. Cochran to sign a proiect amendment for the Southold Erosion Mitigation Proiect, (Contract #CO06157) extending this project to March 31, 2002. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #468 Moved by Councilman Richter, seconded by Justice Evans, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby engages in the services of Cronin and Condon Consulting Engineers~ LLP for the purpose of obtaining an engineering report on the Whitaker house at a cost of $2,000.00. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #469 6/19/2001 15 Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Romanelli, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby appoints the following individuals to fill the following vacancies on the Fishers Island Harbor Committee: VACANCY APPOINTEE Mike Posey, West Harbor Property Owner Bill Stengel, Hay Harbor Property Owners Association Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. CREATED BY Scudder Sinclair TER3/I May 2002 Barry Hall May 2004 Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, #47O Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Richter, it was RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby reappoints the following people to the Fishers Island Harbor Committee for a term of an additional five (5) years effective May 15, 2001: Steve Malinowski Fishers Island Fire Department & Aquaculture Tom Johnson Hay Harbor Club Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: We have a hearing scheduled on fee title acquisition of Aurichio. #471 Moved by Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Richter, WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Southold wishes to purchase the property owned by Andrew Aurichio, comprising approximately 1.3 acres located on the North side of Main Road, Southold, identified as SCTM# 1000-56-4-16, at the price of $60,000.00 (sixty thousand dollars), pursuant to the provisions of Chapter 59 and/or Chapter 6 of the Code of the Town of Southold. The exact area of the purchase is subject to a survey acceptable to the Land Preservation Committee prior to the contract closing; now therefore be it RESOLVED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold that this action be classified as an Unlisted Action pursuant to the SEQRA Rules and Regulations, 6NYCRR 617.1 et. Seq.; be it further RESOLVED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold that the Town of Southold is the only involved agency pursuant to SEQRA Rules and Regulations; be it further RESOLVED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold that the Short Environmental Form prepared for this project is accepted and attached hereto; be it further RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby finds no significant impact on the environment and declares a negative declaration pursuant to SEQRA Rules and Regulations for this action. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #472 Moved by Councilman Murphy, seconded by Justice Evans, WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on the question of the purchase of a certain parcel of property owned by Andrew Aurichio on the 19th day of June 2001, pursuant to the provisions of Chapter 59 (Open Space Preservation) and/or Chapter 6 (Community Preservation Fund) of the Town Code, at which time all interested parties were given the opportunity to be heard; and WHEREAS, the subject property is adjacent to property that was acquired by the Town in December 2000, and the acquisition of the subject property allows for direct road frontage from Main Road to the Town's property, in addition to allowing for the potential for limited parking for access to the site; and WHEREAS, the Town Board deems it in the public interest that the Town of Southold purchase the property, now therefore be it RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby elects to purchase the property owned by Andrew Aurichio, comprising approximately 1.3 acres located on the North side of Main Road, Southold, identified as SCTM# 1000-56-4-16, at the price of $60,000.00 (sixty thousand dollars), pursuant to the provisions of Chapter 59 and/or Chapter 6 of the Code of the Town of Southold. The property is adjacent to land acquired by the Town in December 2000. The exact area of 6/19/2001 16 the purchase is subject to a survey acceptable to the Land Preservation Committee prior to the contract closing. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #473 Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Romanelli, WHEREAS there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York on the 5th day of June, 2001, a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in Relation to adding a Stop sign on Greenwood Road heading in a southerly direction at the intersection of Whistler Avenue on Fishers Island", AND WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on June 19th, 2001, at which time all interested persons were heard. RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby enacts "Local Law in Relation to adding a stop sign at Greenwood Road, Fishers Island, New York", which reads as follows: BE IT ENACTED, by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows: I. Chapter 92, Section 92-30 (Vehicles & Traffic) of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows: Stop Sign on Direction At Inter- Hamlet Of Travel section with Greenwood Road South Whistler Avenue Fishers Island II. Severability. If any section or subsection, paragraph, clause, phrase or provision of this law shall be judged invalid or held unconstitutional by any court of competent jurisdiction, any judgment made thereby shall not affect the validity of this law as a whole or any part thereof other than the part or provision so adjudged to be invalid or unconstitutional. This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State. Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, III. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #474 Moved by Councilman Romanelli, seconded by Justice Evans, WHEREAS there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York on the 5th day of June, 2001, a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in Relation to Adding a Stop sign on Winthrop Drive heading in a westerly direction at the intersection of Trumball Drive on Fishers Island", and WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on June 19th, 2001, at which time all interested persons were given an opportunity to be heard. RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby enacts "Local Law in Relation to adding a stop sign on Winthrop Drive heading in a westerly direction at the intersection of Trumball Drive on Fishers Island, New York", which reads as follows: BE IT ENACTED, by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows: I. Chapter 92, Section 92-30 (Vehicles & Traffic) of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows: Stop Sign on Direction At Inter- Hamlet Of Travel section with Winthrop Drive West Trumball Drive Fishers Island II. Severability. If an section or subsection, paragraph, clause, phrase or provision of this law shall be judge invalid or held unconstitutional by any court of competent jurisdiction, any judgment made thereby shall not affect the validity of this law as a whole or any part thereof other than the part or provision so adjudged to be invalid or unconstitutional. III. This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #475 Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Romanelli, WHEREAS there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York on the 5th day of June, 2001, a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in Relation to 6/19/2001 17 Adding a Stop sign on Trumball Drive heading in a northerly direction at the intersection of Tyler Lane on Fishers Island", and WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on June 19th, 2001, at which time all interested persons were heard. RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby enacts "Local Law in Relation to adding a stop sign on Trumball Drive heading in a northerly direction at the intersection of Tyler Lane on Fishers Island, New York", which reads as follows: BE IT ENACTED, by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows: III. Chapter 92, Section 92-30 (Vehicles & Traffic) of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows: Stop Sign on Direction At Inter- Hamlet Of Travel section with Trumball Drive North Tyler Lane Fishers Island IV. Severability. If an section or subsection, paragraph, clause, phrase or provision of this law shall be judge invalid or held unconstitutional by any court of competent jurisdiction, any judgment made thereby shall not affect the validity of this law as a whole or any part thereof other than the part or provision so adjudged to be invalid or unconstitutional. This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State. Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, III. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #476 Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Moore, it was RESOLVED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold that the Supervisor is authorized to execute the attached agreement between the Town and the CSEA, Inc. Local 1000, AFSCME, AFL-CIO, Southold Unit 8785 ("CSEA") dated June 19, 2001. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. Moved by Councilman Richter, seconded by Justice Evans, it was RESOLVED that this Town Board meeting be and hereby is adjourned at 5:00 P.M. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. Meeting reconvened at 5:20 P.M. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: We will go back to the resolutions with #471. #471 Moved by Councilman Murphy, seconded by Councilman Richter, it was WHEREAS, the Town Board of the Town of Southold wishes to purchase the property owned by Andrew Aurichio, comprising approximately 1.3 acres located on the North side of Main Road, Southold, identified as SCTM# 1000-56-4-16, at the price of $60,000.00 (sixty thousand dollars), pursuant to the provisions of Chapter 59 and/or Chapter 6 of the Code of the Town of Southold. The exact area of the purchase is subject to a survey acceptable to the Land Preservation Committee prior to the contract closing; now therefore be it RESOLVED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold that this action be classified as an Unlisted Action pursuant to the SEQRA Rules and Regulations, 6NYCRR 617.1 et. Seq.; be it further RESOLVED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold that the Town of Southold is the only involved agency pursuant to SEQRA Rules and Regulations; be it further RESOLVED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold that the Short Environmental Form prepared for this project is accepted and attached hereto; be it further RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby finds no significant impact on the environment and declares a negative declaration pursuant to SEQRA Rules and Regulations for this action. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #472 6/19/2001 18 Moved by Councilman Murphy, seconded by Justice Evans, it was WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on the question of the purchase of a certain parcel of property owned by Andrew Aurichio on the 19th day of June 2001, pursuant to the provisions of Chapter 59 (Open Space Preservation) and/or Chapter 6 (Community Preservation Fund) of the Town Code, at which time all interested parties were given the opportunity to be heard; and WHEREAS, the subject property is adjacent to property that was acquired by the Town in December 2000, and the acquisition of the subject property allows for direct road frontage from Main Road to the Town's property, in addition to allowing for the potential for limited parking for access to the site; and WHEREAS, the Town Board deems it in the public interest that the Town of Southold purchase the property, now therefore be it RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby elects to purchase the property owned by Andrew Aurichio, comprising approximately 1.3 acres located on the North side of Main Road, Southold, identified as SCTM# 1000-56-4-16, at the price of $60,000.00 (sixty thousand dollars), pursuant to the provisions of Chapter 59 and/or Chapter 6 of the Code of the Town of Southold. The property is adjacent to land acquired by the Town in December 2000. The exact area of the purchase is subject to a survey acceptable to the Land Preservation Committee prior to the contract closing. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #473 Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Romanelli, it was WHEREAS there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York on the 5th day of June, 2001, a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in Relation to adding a Stop sign on Greenwood Road heading in a southerly direction at the intersection of Whistler Avenue on Fishers Island", AND WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on June 19th, 2001, at which time all interested persons were heard. RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby enacts "Local Law in Relation to adding a stop sign at Greenwood Road, Fishers Island, New York", which reads as follows: BE IT ENACTED, by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows: III. Chapter 92, Section 92-30 (Vehicles & Traffic) of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows: Stop Sign on Direction At Inter- Hamlet Of Travel section with Greenwood Road South Whistler Avenue Fishers Island IV. Severability. If any section or subsection, paragraph, clause, phrase or provision of this law shall be judged invalid or held unconstitutional by any court of competent jurisdiction, any judgment made thereby shall not affect the validity of this law as a whole or any part thereof other than the part or provision so adjudged to be invalid or unconstitutional. III. This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #474 Moved by Councilman Romanelli, seconded by Justice Evans, it was WHEREAS there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York on the 5th day of June, 2001, a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in Relation to Adding a Stop sign on Winthrop Drive heading in a westerly direction at the intersection of Trumball Drive on Fishers Island", and WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on June 19th, 2001, at which time all interested persons were given an opportunity to be heard. RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby enacts "Local Law in Relation to adding a stop sign on Winthrop Drive heading in a westerly direction at the intersection of Trumball Drive on Fishers Island, New York", which reads as follows: BE IT ENACTED, by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows: V. Chapter 92, Section 92-30 (Vehicles & Traffic) of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows: Stop Sign on Direction At Inter- Hamlet Of Travel section with Winthrop Drive West Trumball Drive Fishers Island 6/19/2001 19 VI. Severability. If an section or subsection, paragraph, clause, phrase or provision of this law shall be judge invalid or held unconstitutional by any court of competent jurisdiction, any judgment made thereby shall not affect the validity of this law as a whole or any part thereof other than the part or provision so adjudged to be invalid or unconstitutional. II. This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #475 Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Romanelli, it was WHEREAS there has been presented to the Town Board of the Town of Southold, Suffolk County, New York on the 5th day of June, 2001, a Local Law entitled "A Local Law in Relation to Adding a Stop sign on Trumball Drive heading in a northerly direction at the intersection of Tyler Lane on Fishers Island", and WHEREAS the Town Board of the Town of Southold held a public hearing on June 19th, 2001, at which time all interested persons were heard. RESOLVED that the Town Board of the Town of Southold hereby enacts "Local Law in Relation to adding a stop sign on Trumball Drive heading in a northerly direction at the intersection of Tyler Lane on Fishers Island, New York", which reads as follows: BE IT ENACTED, by the Town Board of the Town of Southold as follows: VII. Chapter 92, Section 92-30 (Vehicles & Traffic) of the Code of the Town of Southold is hereby amended as follows: Stop Sign on Direction At Inter- Hamlet Of Travel section with Trumball Drive North Tyler Lane Fishers Island VIII. Severability. If an section or subsection, paragraph, clause, phrase or provision of this law shall be judge invalid or held unconstitutional by any court of competent jurisdiction, any judgment made thereby shall not affect the validity of this law as a whole or any part thereof other than the part or provision so adjudged to be invalid or unconstitutional. III. This Local Law shall take effect immediately upon filing with the Secretary of State. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. #476 Moved by Justice Evans, seconded by Councilman Moore, it was RESOLVED by the Town Board of the Town of Southold that the Supervisor is authorized to execute the attached agreement between the Town and the CSEA, Inc. Local 1000, AFSCME, AFL-CIO, Southold Unit 8785 ("CSEA") dated June 19, 2001. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: That is the end of our prepared resolutions. I would just like to share with you at this point that we have finally been successful in getting a government channel. A government program is not intermixed with public access. The government channel has been moved to channel 88, and it is affective Monday, June 18th. They will be airing Town Board meetings either Thursday or Friday between one and five, and they will be adding Southold Talk at 9:00 P.M. the same day. We are hopefully that in the future we will even be able to convince the New York State Legislature that they should televise so we can see what is going on in our State capital. That is the only announcement I have to make at this time. We have a Town policy that at this time we will take any Town business that you would like to share with us. Anyone like to address the Town Board? I saw a hand over here. PEG KAEL1N: My name is Peg Kaelin from Cutchogue. This is in regard to the five-acre zoning. My husband and I were born in Southold Town, and we hope to end our days here as well. I know that everyone in this room loves Southold Town. I know that. Still we also know that we have to share it to keep our economy going. This has been true since the time my great-grandmother, Mary Mahoney, was a farmer's wife up on Oregon Road in Cutchogue, and she first opened her home to boarders in July and August, and they loved walking up those back roads to the Sound, and enjoying the beach, and of course, the Mahoneys enjoyed their company and the revenue which helped them to keep things going for their families. My concern with the 8000 acres that is being talked about back and forth (tape change) There will be clustering, but if someone has fifty lots he wishes to develop, and says he would 6/19/2001 20 do ten lots in building lots there is still that potential, and my concern is at that time that the price of those lots will be something that only people who are very well off, wealthy people, would come out and want to live in this beautiful area we are living in, and they would be buying them up quickly. I don't believe that any young people or retirees from the town itself will really be able to afford them, and I believe that we really have a desperate need for housing for both young people and retirees. The reason we need, I think, the housing for young people is because they are the new teachers, the nurses, volunteer fire/rescue departments, and if we do not act quickly I think we will be unable to attract young teachers unless we raise their beginning salaries much higher, and subsequently that will make school district taxes go up for all of us. We may experience a shortage of nurses, or pay much higher salaries, and as far as the fire/rescue service I think we can see in five or six years that we would be paying for that service, because all of us is because the young people cannot afford to buy a home here. Housing for seniors, this is interesting to me, because I am hoping in ten or fifteen years to retire. My husband and I would love to be here, and we are looking at as living is going on the continuing rise in property values will climb accordingly at one point. Naturally our assessment will have to be up because, I mean as my neighbor decides to sell his home we know that the Board of Assessors must reassess at the time of sale, and if he is paying twice as much as I am he is not going to be too happy. Probably come down for a Grievance Day. The bottom line is that even though our property value that we have right will increase our concern is that it will be no consolation to be able to sell it for twice as much if we still can not stay in Southold Town, and that is where I would like to see the senior housing. I would just like to voice a couple of needs I believe maybe should be addressed before there is any further action is taken with the five acres. The first on being with 2% Transfer Tax Fund that we have been hearing a lot about and people are projecting, I really don't know how much is in there. Anywhere from $6,000,000 to $8,000,000 is mentioned in the paper. Why if there is any farmland involved in the 8,000 acres that we are talking about, why if there is any farmland involved in the 8,000 acres that we are talking about, why those development rights would not be purchased, you know, immediately? That way the open space is there for every generation to come, and also does not require the Town to really, you know, farmland does not require services, right? But, the homeowner would, because he is entitled, as we are, to police protection and road maintenance, and so forth. I would ask, too, that perhaps the Planning Board could review this whole acreage thing, and possibly could determine where affordable housing or senior housing could be placed implementing perhaps some small zoning changes, which would allow for accessory apartments. I also realize, too, from the papers and so forth that the Board is very concerned about the length of time things would take to accomplish any of these, even that I have requested perhaps to be looked into. Could the Board then actually create a moratorium so that at this point no subdivisions could be put forth on that 8,000-acre of pieces at this point? Maybe a designated time span, three months, six months, whatever. Finally really I was pleased to see, and thought it was an excellent idea, and I think Mr. Meinke was here in the audience, but in a recent issue of the Suffolk Times he wrote a piece concerning this issue, and one of the things he suggested was an open space summit. I thought was an excellent idea that the North Fork Environmental Council, the Long Island Farm Bureau, the Planning Board members, Town Board, and designees from other appropriate organizations could work together, and in quotes here from his article, inject balance and produce a workable and fair program, end of quotes, of preservation of Southold Town. At the same time I would like to see that affordable housing and senior citizen communities possibly be a part of that, if that would ever come to being. I believe a summit might help meet the needs of all the people of Southold, and at the same time do for preservation of our open space. I hope that every Southolder would win. If anyone is in agreement with maybe what I am requesting here of the Town I would just ask that they raise their hand. I thank you for your time. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Anyone else like to address the Town Board? Mr. Meinke? HOWARD ME1NKE: Thank you, Jean and members of the Board. Just a few comments about the five-acre zoning from the NFEC prospective. Very simply over the last few years we have looked west from where we are, and we have looked south over to the South Fork from where we are, and it is our impression that we see people that didn't take action, they lived with the rules of the game that they had for years, and we think they lost the game. So, we think it is important that Southold does something, and we were gratified with the announcement of the five-acre plan. Now, we support the five-acre plan in so far as it goes because just for an example, 8,000 acres out there was mentioned. If you were to say that over a span of time 5,000 acres would be developed under the two-acre plan you would have 2,500 houses, and 2,500 open acres. Not particularly appetizing for farming, but it would be open acres. If you go to the five-acre plan you get a 1,000 houses, and 4,000 open acres. This is fewer houses, fewer people, less traffic on the roads. It does more to preserve our water supply, lower taxes. So, we think from that point of view the five-acre zoning, as an initial statement is good. However, we think it could be improved upon, and it should be improved upon, and it should be improved upon. We think that when you get done doing this you have lost track of what all the studies have said about certain parts of the town where the soil is good and prime agriculture exists, maintaining that in agriculture. Other parts of the town that possibly are adjacent to hamlets that could accept expansion. 6/19/2001 21 So, we really think that planning function has to be built in, that you not only do the five-acre development, but you plan on where you can allow development of the full five-acre potential, where you can grant people increase in density if they have a project that is worthy, where your prime agricultural land and you should not develop, and you move things around. I mean this is the kind of planning that we think government should do, and we are critical of this government because we don't think you are doing it. Now, at this particular point we have heard a lot of flack from various people, and the farmers say they have finance problem, that this is going to destroy the potential of finance. We have suggested a plan for that, but obviously there is a difference of opinion. We think this is critical. I mean, no matter how we look at this farming doesn't exist in a vacuum, farming exists because people want to farm, and we have to do what we can do to make Southold Town live up to the best it can be without going out of our way to kick the farmers in the slats. The farmers also say that the change to five-acres will destroy them. Now, I don't know whether that is possible. I kind of don't think it is, but I guess we should hear out why they feel this is the case. In a letter in the paper recently one of the farmers said, hey, we already are doing much better than five-acre density. We are developing past history at about ten acre density, so why do we have to go to five-acres? Well, I explained up front why I thought five-acres was good, but does the five-acre plan hinder these conservation subdivisions and things like that? I don't see why it should, but maybe I am missing something, and people worry about gentrification. The people that don't study the thing closely say, five-acre lots, they are going to be twice as expensive as one-acre lots, and where are people going to live? Peg Kaelin just said that, and I think there is something to that argument, and I think while we do this if we don't do land use planning, and consider what our zoning is, and make it possible to have smaller lots, some apartments, some two-families. The potential for things like that to meet whatever the market need turns out to be, I think we are derelict in our duty. Now, with these uncertainties in mind we again suggest that the stakeholders get together, the farmers, and the finance people, the NFEC, the Town, who is putting this whole thing together, the Land Trust, and whoever out there has a reason to be at the meeting. We still think that is important where we are not suggesting that the Town backtrack from what they are doing, but we are suggesting that the more we can hear what people say, and extract the good from it, and convince them that some of their other fears are unfounded, the less contentious it will be, and the more productive it will be. Certainly all those tractors that were so patient out there all afternoon deserve a hearing, too. Thank you. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Thank you, Howard. Anyone else like to address the Town Board? I will take Mr. VanBourgondien, and then I will take you, sir. BOB VANBOURGONDIEN: Bob VanBourgondien. I want to kind of echo some of Howard's thoughts. This five-acre zoning, or lessening of building rights on a piece of property is too important an issue to rush into. I am sure there needs to be many modifications to the original plan. If it is three months, six months, or twelve months done the road, let's take our time, let's talk, let's get it done right. We need to have dialogue. We would ask the Town Board to slow down, to look at the fact. The farmers want open dialogue, and feel that a panel that includes the Southold Town Board members, Peconic Land Trust, Long Island Farm Bureau, Southold Town Planning Department, Town Planner, who I under we have lost a Town Planner, which is unfortunate, the North Fork Environmental Council, and the Southold Town Ag Advisory Committee. We should all work together for a common goal. Thank you. ADAM KAEL1N: My name is Adam Kaelin. I have lived in Cutchogue all my life. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Town Council. As I have stated I have lived in the town my entire life. My family has a long history of serving this community. I, myself, has been a member of the Cutchogue Fire Department for six years, and an officer there for four. My grandmother was a schoolteacher in Southold. My grandfather was a charter member of the Cutchogue Fire Department, was instrumental in the Cutchogue Historical Society, and the creation of the Village Green. My father is a 32 year member of the Cutchogue Fire Department, and served two years as it's chief. He is currently a secretary of the fire department, and the Cutchogue-New Suffolk Park District. My mother has worked for the Cutchogue Free Library for twelve years. Both my parents have lived in Southold Town for their entire lives, raising seven children here. I wish to raise my children here also, however with the current price of housing on the North Fork it will be very hard to do. I feel that with the passage of this five-acre zoning it will be impossible. I wonder if the young people of the town have been given any consideration by the Board. Creation of five-acre zoning and its removal of thousands of acres of currently available land will only increase the price of the remaining lots and housing. Every week I read the wedding and engagement announcements in the Suffolk Times. I can tell you that the vast majority of the people under 35 years of age are not planning to live here. I believe that this is because they can not afford it. The Town Board continues to ignore the young residents of the town, who love this town just as much as everyone else. I wonder where the future teachers, firemen, and Town employees themselves will come from. Not more the six months ago the Suffolk Times ran a future article on the already declining membership in our local fire departments. As the cost of 6/19/2001 22 homeownership in Southold increases, the membership in these fine organizations will continue to decline, or the younger members of the community who do not stay will be forced to work longer hours to make their mortgage payments, and will no longer have the time to volunteer. This could eventually lead to the need to pay firemen and ambulance personnel to respond to our emergencies. This would of course greatly increase the tax burden on all the residents of Southold. This trend is highlighted by the 2000 Census, Southold Town has the lowest percentage of people age 25 to 34, and 35 to 44 in all of Suffolk County. These people are graduating from college and not returning to Southold, because they can not afford to. These people are typically the blue collar workers of the town, the very locals the town is trying to save of being driven away by the cost of living. Your apparent refusal to address the issue of affordable housing further exemplifies your disregard for the young families of the town. If you are planning on addressing this issue after the passing of five-acre zoning ! am curious to know where you will be able to fit even a few small affordable houses south of Route 25, or are you limiting your ability to build these homes by restricting the available land north of Route 25. ! will point out that this will not be leaving much room for badly needed senior housing either. ! would now ask you to listen to all the residents of this town, and reconsider your stand on five acre zoning. ! personally have not spoken to a single member of the community who is in favor of this zoning change. The farmers, whose way of life you claim to be trying to protect are against it. Nobody in Southold wants rampant development, however, we all believe there is a better way to preserve the community. The voters have continually supported bonds and 2% Transfer Tax to allow you to buy development rights and land to preserve. Why do you need to take this money, and make this zoning change, also? ! am a Republican and ! assure you that ! have voted in every election since ! turned eighteen. ! have watched the current Town Board ignore the youth and young families of Southold for six years. The Democratic candidate for Supervisor has already made it clear that he will listen to all of the residents of Southold. ! will give a chance to keep me as a supporter of the Republican Party, but you must listen to me and majority of the citizens of Southold and reject this five-acre zoning. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Thank you. COUNCILMAN RICHTER: Jean, I would like to speak just for a second. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Under the cover of affordable housing, is that where you are going? COUNCILMAN RICHTER: That was part of it, but I need to just say, and I will let you do that. That is fine. What you just said is very true. ! have two sons and both of them have moved from the area, but there are a couple of reasons other than the five-acre zoning, or the proposed upzoning that we are talking about, that has done this. That in itself is not caused the situation for our young people to not to be able to afford. The American dream has always been to own your home, and ! truly believe that on the North Fork we have lost some of that ability to do that. ! live in Eastern Shores in Greenport just off of 48, and a half acre piece of property ! have my home. The piece right next to me, which is a corner lot is going for $100,000. ! am also a builder. ! see the cost prices of the homes in the area. The economy, the situation that we are in, is not being caused by this Town Board, and the lack of respect for our young people. ! care very seriously as this Board cares very seriously about the young people and the old people alike, to be able to afford out here, to be able to live here, and let our families stay here, and so forth. ! think we are being forced out be economic reasons beyond the control, beyond the control of local government. There is only so much land. It is extremely valuable. The developers are here from the west end. Jean is going to talk a second, ! am sure, on affordable housing, because you said we have not done anything in that respect. ! will let her talk to you about that in a second. What we need to do is make sure that we are on the same page. We are not here to hurt anybody. We are not here to crucify anyone. We are here to keep a quality of life, something that ! think we are all in favor of. All of us are in favor of that. There may be differences on opinion on how we reach that goal. Seeing the North Fork, and seeing the developers that are here, it is a very scary thing to me. To start to read the reports on the aquifer and the source of our water, the 187 miles of waterfront that the Town of Southold has, to keep all these things. Al, you know that with the Trustees, to keep our creeks and bays clean. We need to be very cautious, but we need to take bold steps. Now, are we doing the right thing? ! think we are, but ! think there are a lot of issues. Melissa, ! am going to ask you a question here. Two percent money, ! believe, is $3,000,000 in the balance. We just heard six to eight million a second ago. This $3,000,000 that we have now. Someone else just mention $6,000,000 to $8,000,000. MELISSA SPIRO: I think they were talking about all of the funds. COUNCILMAN RICHTER: Okay, the 2% money is coming, but is not something that we have the availability to go out and buy all the development rights right now. JUSTICE EVANS: They are not being offered. We would love to buy them. 6/19/2001 23 COUNCILMAN RICHTER: That is the other part of it. We were talking about buying development right. We don't have people knocking down on our door to buy them. ! believe part of that could be addressed maybe with the appraisals on the property not being high enough for people to come forward, and sell us the development rights. You know we are listening to you, and ! know some of you are not going to believe me when ! say that, but this Board does have discussion on trying to figure out the best situation for the Town of Southold. Jean, do you want to talk about the affordable housing, because you put a lot of time into that? SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: I would like to share with you to date the Affordable Housing Committee, and ! hate that term, affordable housing. For lack of a better word we seem to continue to say affordable housing. The Housing Committee this morning presented this morning from nine until ten the report. We started working about nine months ago, and ! brought some people together, who ! felt would have ability to look at housing in the Town of Southold fairly and honestly. It is one of the best committees ! have ever had to work with. We discussed everything imaginable. We discussed rentals. We discussed accessory apartments. We discussed recycling apartments over businesses. We discussed senior housing. We discussed housing for young people, and it went on and on and on. This group, they reviewed material from all over the place. Anything ! could get my hands on, other communities and how they have done affordable housing, and so on, and so forth. We have an Affordable Housing Law, which was put into place when ! served as a Town Board member, golly, seventeen or eighteen years ago. The Law itself is not the best. So, we discussed having the Town Board on their own motion, which they can do, rezone particles if we come up with any, to provide affordable housing. We took tours. We went up to Riverhead. We went up to look at Riverhead Landing. We went up to Founders Village on Youngs Avenue. We went to look at different projects to see what we felt would fit in the Town of Southold. We wanted something that was part of the streetscape, and we have an average streetscape here. It is not just all Colonial. It is a mixture. One place you will have a Saltbox. The next place you will have a Ranch, so Southold has always been known to be little mixes of different kinds of housing. What they presented today, and this all being done by private enterprise, are four projects. We have one in the Village of Greenport. It is outside the Village but it is where you come out of Greenport. We have one in the Town of Southold. We have one in the community of Cutchogue, and we have one in Mattituck, and these are all small projects, maybe twenty units thereabouts. Some of the units are going to be two family, owner occupied with a rental. You will be able to develop your equity on the ownership side, but we are looking at controlling the rent side. This also in a sense would assure a young individual that is not making as much money as some of the others to use that rental income as part of being able to afford. You know kids as they go through this process and ! have been involved in it, ! was Chairman of the Affordable Housing Committee eighteen years ago, and here ! am back to that point. We realize the problem. We realize we have a problem, and this Board has discussed it in relation to our work force, not just blue collar, but our work force in general. We have restaurants that have closed at noon because they can not hire that initial salary or person to come and work for that money. We had to up our price this year on lifeguards. We can't open beaches unless we pay lifeguards a decent rate. So, it is all a part of not only that type wage can't afford it, or medium wage, but there are younger people that are really on the bottom of the scale, so perhaps the two family will help them. We are not quite sure, but we have gone through this, there is one definitely that if you are familiar with the affordable housing project up on Boisseau Avenue, High Point, take a ride through. This was joint. This was half affordable and half market price, and it worked beautifully. It was the first affordable housing project in the Town of Southold, and ! like it, and promoted it with the Town Board at that time, because it was different but it made sense. It made sense to balance the neighborhood, but yet over here if you go across from Dave DeFriest, and go in where all the yellow houses are it is a lovely, lovely, thing. What we found through the years, and maybe this has to be a ten-year cycle, but what we found was all the young kids that took these two places never moved. Our feeling was that in seven years, you develop your equity, and you sell, and you move to a bigger house. They didn't. Those kids are still in the houses. They have added on. They have garages. They have put in swimming pools. They have finished off their upstairs. ! mean they have helped develop their own equity in addition to being helped to get start. We also have two of the builders. As ! said, this is going to be private enterprise. How the Board will help, the Board will have to change the zone to HD. There will be covenants and restrictions on that legislation, because we want it to be the same. In order to qualify for a home you have to work and live in the Town of Southold. The second is work and/or live in the Town of Southold. The third is other, and we have never gotten to the other. So, these are places where ! can name the kids, one is a plumber, another is an electrician, one works with cement. They are all our young people that needed a little support, and a leg up, and they were able to get it. The Town also will take part, not only from the change of zone direction, but also in relation to grants. We are able to get $25,000 in State grants, and $15,000 between the County and the funding for the Down Home Program. You are going to be hearing more. The press was here this morning. They will be covering all of this. It will be in the papers. We are very aware of young people in our community, and we are very aware of their needs. So, ! just wanted to fill you in on what the Town Board is doing in relation to affordable housing. Yes? 6/19/2001 24 PEG KAEL1N: Jean, can I ask how many units total? SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: I am going to say somewhere around fifty. PEG KAEL1N: Is that houses and apartments? SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: What do you mean? Will be two family, one will owner occupied. PEG KAEL1N: Would that be one or two units? COUNCILMAN ROMANELLI: The number we just gave you was counted as one. That is not including the rental on those units. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Not all projects are the same, because we wanted to keep it private enterprise, and so each builder has his own concept of what he would like to build, and I would like to add the committee is going to, at their request, they would like to continue to function because they see other things in relation to housing. As I said, it is kind of a ten year cycle because the kids never moved out, so we are going to try to look for ways that we can perhaps alleviate that problem a little bit, and also already it has come to our notice is we have two builders, two of the builders that are building these units, that have small pieces that they would like to do for rentals for seniors, because you will find the same thing with seniors. When they approach me they say, Jean, I want to stay my community with my churches, my shopping, my library, so if we can do a small one in each hamlet for every and any we should be able to do for seniors if we can get one again in each of the hamlets. What they were conscious of, and doing not one large project, but four small ones, was the schools. We did not want to add to the school enrollment. I mean Mattituck just added on, Cutchogue, and we have just added on here in Southold, and so that has always been one of our concerns. Where if we are doing it for young people, what are we doing to those school districts? So, that was another. We love the concept of four small ones, and we will be working in that direction for senior housing also. REED JARVIS: My name is Reed Jarvis, and I am from Cutchogue. Good evening, everybody. It is nice to hear that there is some success stories, and as a town person I like the success stories. I like to see more of it. I think one of our concerns, I work for a vineyard on Long Island, on the North Fork, and I think that the general consensus is that we are so very close on so many points. If there are ten points we are right there on eight of them, and we know that you are sincere in trying to do the right thing for Southold Town. There is no question of that. The problem with the five-acre zoning is that a few things appear. The fairness issue arises, and there is an appearance of being closed to the farmers, and to dialogue, and those some real important issues. Obviously this is a complicated issue, and it is necessary to be able to explore all of the options. It really deserves to slow it down just a little bit, and give a little time, and explore. What are the options? What are the alternatives? I think the farm community in general has really opened it's eyes up to what is going on, and I think they are really willing now to step up, and make some form of a commitment. They have been very good. You know, the history of farmers as stewards, as good stewards, is tremendous. They protected this land when no one else was interested in protecting it. So, they should be something that is slighted. Farmers are a great part of America. They are a dwindling population. You know, nobody wants to see over development on the North Fork. We are all together on that, you know. What we have to do, is we have to find a way how we can all make it work, how we can all live here, have some development, because some development is going to be necessary, but preserve the important pieces of land, and make it so that we protect the farmers' equity. We have talked about that there is not a lot of applications coming across the Farmland Preservation Committee right now. You know I think that can change. I think some of it is the way the land is appraised, and that certainly can be addressed, but we don't want to alienate the farmers, who are the people that are trying to be partners with us in this. You know? So, just a perception of closed, or the perception of not having a dialogue, or the perception that we are not really welcome is a negative. It is not a good thing. We need to get the egos behind us. We need to get together, and one of the overwhelming things that the farmer wants right now is to be included into the solution, and not just put to the side, and say, listen we will make the decisions for you. You are just a small child. You really don't understand what is going on. That is not a good way to handle these people. Farmers that are surviving nowadays are very good businessmen. They are very insightful. I don't think there is any question about their integrity. A lot of the farmers are just preserving the land just in the sense that they are still in business. So, I would just like to see a little more openness, a little more open forum. I would like to see a little more time. I think that is the only thing I personally want is just to see a little more time to really explore the issues, and then if five- acre is the answer after we have looked at all these other issues, and we have brought in the farmers, and we have brought in the homeowners, and we have brought in Southold Town people, and then if we decide five-acre zoning is the way to go, then so be it. We will all be in favor of it, but we are a 6/19/2001 25 little fearful, and you know we are always fearful of closed government, and that is a big, big problem with it. You know, we are perceiving, we really don't know what you are going to do. So, to get off my soapbox and to say thank you for your time, and I only ask one thing, and that is that you just give us a little time, and include us in the solution. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Reed, if I may, I would like to respond in relation to not being a part. I believe we had an input meeting. That was the first step to bring everyone in to give input in their thoughts. This was all taken, and today for the first time the Town Board has a draft. Okay? Now, this draft is going to be sent to the Planning Board, Land Preservation Committee, Ag Committee, and the Farmer Bureau for their input. There will have to be a timeframe on this, but this is where it will go. It will be put in the mail tomorrow morning. Also, I have extra copies in my office of the legislation. Just keep in mind it is a draft, and we are looking for the final input, and then we can finalize the legislation. Just a point of information. TOWN ATTORNEY YAKABOSKI: Jean, may I please just add one thing about the draft? Reed, just if anybody gets the draft in their hands, or I have already given it to a couple of the folks from the press. I have other copies. It is a draft. With respect to the grandfather language at the very end, that was a rough draft. Since that was drafter Melissa and I have spoken, and we will be redrafting some of that language. What we are trying to achieve, or what the Board is directing to achieve to date with the grandfather language is folks take a parcel where there was a twenty acre parcel in a typical land preservation deal, and it was a two-acre reserve piece. It was a subdivision reserved out. If that reserve parcel met all the bulk schedule requirements that would be grandfathered until somebody came along one day and subdivide that, because the person involved the community, and had sold development rights on the eighteen acres. On that same example, if a person had kept more than two acres, say six acres, again with the thought in mind of having created three extra lots, again meeting all the bulk schedules of the two acre, plus all the other requirements, that is also proposed as being grandfathered. If a parcel is in contract with a similar situation I just described, but not yet done deal, if the legislation went through, that those would grandfathered. These are situations that the language was trying to catch. I don't think the initial drafting caught it. Initially we were going to try to do something listing all the parcels that would be exempt, it turned out to be a little bit burdensome with the record. In addition, one thing that is out there, somebody who might have subdivided a two acre parcel already. Sidor is a good example, where they created some parcels over there. Somebody created a two acre parcel, and say it did go to five acre, just what we are talking about, that would become a pre-existing non-conforming lot, but if you look at the pre-existing non-conforming lot bulk schedule that is identical what it is today. So, you don't lose anything there. COUNCILMAN ROMANELLI: I just want to tell you it is a draft. REED JARVIS: I understand that. I also would like to reiterate that I didn't say that I was a member of the Farmland Preservation Committee, but last night meeting, you know, I came in there, and I was all excited. I really just wanted to say that this whole thing is lost a little momentum over the last few months with the concern over the five-acre zoning, but in my heart, and I want to convey this to you with all sincerity, that honestly think that the time is really right to be more proactive. I think we need as committee we need to hear that from you guys. We are all working very hard, but I can always squeeze out a little bit more, and you see now we have a really good relationship going where we have got the farmer in here, we have got the faces, the names. They know who we are. We know who they are. If we could just buy some time, just buy a little bit of time. I honestly think that the Land Preservation Committee could really do what was intended to do for the first time, and not buy pieces that are just random pieces that come across the table, but focus on the core, Oregon Road, North Road, all the pieces that we know we want to get, and all the farmers are aware of it now. We got a group right here. The message is out, and we will have credibility. There is monies available. Let's spend all the money, but the land, and then if we need to go to five-acre zoning then go to five acre zoning. COUNCILMAN RICHTER: I would like to just say, you know, the comments that you just made I appreciate. They were very good comments. They were very solid and sincere comments, and I think that sometimes people get suspect of government, and I do see that. We have been very open amongst our discussions. I know that I have a folder that goes three or four inches. I have read all the concerns. I keep reading the letters and the material that I get. I mean it is not something that I don't think any of us up here just say, you know, we really don't need their input. We definitely need the input. We are getting it. I mean I am getting it constantly. So, we are getting input with that. But, your comments were very received. REED JARVIS: The farmers really want to be part of the solution. 6/19/2001 26 COUNCILMAN RICHTER: I understand. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Mr. Cooper? DOUG COOPER: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Doug Cooper of Mattituck. Reed made some good points. I disagree with him to the extent that he wants a little more time, a little more openness. I would like a lot more time, and a lot more openness. The perception of this Board, our perception on many of our parts is that you are making decisions behind closed doors with very little input. You actually listened to us once, but that is not the problem. That is not the solution. Bring us in. Involve us with working out the answers, with working out the solutions. You are not. You take a little bit of input. You let us spout off some steam, which is good, but then let us sit down together with all the other groups, and work out some alternatives, work out a good plan, that can suit all our needs. The other things is that you are talking about the purchase of development rights not proceeding very fast. They are not coming fast enough. Most of the farmland is in the Ag District in this town. Is that correct? A large majority of the farmland, why is it in the Ag District? It is in the Ag District because it wants to be preserved, because the owners want to preserve it, because that serves a valuable purpose to us. It is land that is not going to be developed overnight. I have this impression that you feel that the property is going to be developed overnight. That is not the case. I know a number of us, who maybe no matter what the development rights price was are not ready to sell at this time. We don't need the money now. We want to leave it for when we retire. I can tell you in my case, that when I do retire I would definitely, definitely, definitely, look at selling the development rights first before I did anything else. I would not like to see the property developed. I believe a lot of us, probably the vast majority of us, feel that way, and for many of us it does not serve economically to take that money now. Maybe we are young. It is better for capital gains, or whatever the case may be to hold off. It is not that need. I have this perception that you feel the wolves are at the door, and that is not the case for many of us. Thank you. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Thank you, Mr. Cooper. Mr. Mudd, and then Mr. Krupski. STEVE MUDD: Supervisor Cochran, and members of the Board, there are a couple of things I would like to address. One is to get back on that affordable housing thing. First of all, this Board, the previous Board, and the Boards that started that affordable housing project ought to be commended. It is a tough project. You can never be heroes to everybody. You will never be able to fit the needs of all the requirements that need affordable housing. Jean, you made a comment in regards to that affordable housing about part of your planning for affordable housing is the presumption that eventually people are going to move on. They are going to go to something better. I have been in this town for 47 years. I don't recall Jean Cochran moving in the 47 years I have been here. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: I think you misunderstood me. I said when I served on the committee years ago with the Town Board, Frank Murphy was supervisor. I was Chairman of the committee, and we felt that when we did it that the kids would start in a starter house, which was the affordable, and then move on as they developed their equity, and got kids to a larger house. They have never done that. So, your affordable housing and the projects that the Town has done has not stayed affordable. There was never that turnover. That is what I was saying. STEVE MUDD: Well, I think that pattern should be considered to be a constant in your future planning for affordable housing. People are not going to move on. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: We realize that. STEVE MUDD: People expand, remodel, etc., number one. Number two on affordable housing, again, all the Boards that started this and continue this trek are to be commended, because it is a tough project. I would like to recommend some policing if there is such a terminology on affordable housing. I know personally of one person that owns two affordable houses, that applications were put through their children or what have you, and those persons own those houses, and continue to rent it out. I am sure that some of you sitting on that Board that is privy to that. I am not naming names. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: No, we are fully aware of that, and that is why if you take note I said that the committee feels that we should review the Affordable Housing Law, and that is why we are going to do these projects under a change of zone, which is Hamlet Density with covenants and restrictions. STEVE MUDD: Because with the total of sixty in Southold Town if we lose two that is very high percentage. That is two that I know of, and I am sure there is a privy to more than that. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: No, there is only one. He owns two houses. 6/19/2001 27 STEVE MUDD: Okay, I stand corrected. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: He had two children. STEVE MUDD: I appreciate the time and the ears to talk about today and tomorrow, in regards to this five acre zoning thing. I kind of would like to talk about yesterday, and the days before that, and I have support some comments that were made here this evening in regard to closed government, and Jean, there you go again. Either you are having heartburn, or you are having difficulty with my statement on closed government. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Evidently I am. This government is open. STEVE MUDD: I dispute that immensely, and let me continue, please. I sit on an Ag Advisory Committee for this town. I am an accordant by this Board. I have had numerous comments with several Board members. Much to my surprise one Board member wasn't even privy to the fact that there was an Ag Advisory Committee. Number one. Number two, Jean, please. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: I can't help it. Dave, I... Steve. STEVE MUDD: Stephen, this is Steven Mudd. Thank you. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Let's relax. Okay? If we can't talk. STEVE MUDD: Please, control your facial, Jean. Please, Jean... Thank you. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: You are welcome. Anyone else like to address the Town Board? Al? AL KRUPSKI: Al Krupski. I hope the Town Board members saw the amount of people outside the Town Hall today. I didn't see any Town Board members actually come outside. Did anyone come outside? Did you speak to anyone? SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: No, but I was out there. I thought it was the American way. I thought it was great, truly. AL KRUPSKI: Did you see how the town proposal is going to affect not just a bunch of farmers here. It is going to affect different generations of people who have lived and worked in this community, and made agriculture a tradition to their families. A specific question to the Town Board in relation to the draft five-acre zoning law, is there is a timetable that the Town Board has to set up meetings of the parties that were mentioned, specifically the Ag Advisory Committee, Peconic Land Trust, North Fork Environmental Council, and then the Long Island Farm Bureau (tape change) where the public make comment to the Town Board, or will it be a work session where all these people will sit down as partners and work on a plan to lower density in Southold Town? SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Al, as you know through the process of developing legislation there has to be a public hearing that goes with it. So, down the road will be a public hearing. At this point we would like to get the information we received this morning in it's first form, a draft, out to the different, as I said, Planning, Land Preservation, Ag, Farm Bureau, and have them respond with their thoughts, and then we will continue from there. So, it is difficult to say exactly what the timetable is at this point. AL KRUPSKI: I just wondered if you were going to say June 24th there is going to be meeting of the interested parties at Town Hall, so that we can work on a solution for Southold Town. No, is that correct? COUNCILMAN MOORE: We didn't set a timetable. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: We haven't set a timetable yet. AL KRUPSKI: I was curious. What is the next step then? I know you have the draft. You sent it out, and then what happens? COUNCILMAN ROMANELLI: Gather it all together. Hopefully have community meetings with the people that we sent it out to, gather information, and hopefully sit down as a group, as a community, and come up with a solution. The draft we have is good, once everyone reads it. Maybe not. I believe that is what we attempting to do here. 6/19/2001 28 AL KRUPSKI: That would be productive, and that is what the people gathered outside Town Hall, that is what that was all about to have everyone who is interested, and everyone who is involved, and everyone who is affected by that draft, to be part of the solution, and not to be excluded from something that is really going to dramatically affect their lives. COUNCILMAN MOORE: Let me just make one observation. I think that somehow there is a perception that when, and maybe times it is, you do a stop light, or a traffic light, or a stop sign, public hearing, no comment, and you get the law on the books. We had a great pubic hearing in regard to the Historic Preservation, and you can have a thousand and one community meeting ahead of time. At some point you have to put something in writing, and the purpose of the public hearing process is to draw in and get information and input. That we did in the Historic Preservation. We have got our hands full of all kinds of comments, all kinds of substance of information there. So, ! don't think we should pooh, pooh, or belittle the existing legal process that works. We have this thing out for comment now to get more input before we have to go spend the money on a public notice, and put the legals in there. But, don't underestimate the significance of the actual formal public hearing like we had tonight., AL KRUPSKI: No, no, ! am not by any means. We have twenty to thirty public hearings every month in the Board of Trustees, and that is when after you gather the facts you make the decisions, but a lot of those decisions, not decisions but a lot of the fact gathering takes place before the public hearing in the field with people who are actually involved, and that is what the farming community is concerned about. Thank you. DENISE HUDSON: ! am Denise Hudson from Cutchogue, and Jean, you said that you thought it was great to see all those farmers out there, and everything, and it was great, and actually ! was really proud of them, because it was really hard to get farmers all together to do anything together. They are a very independent lot, and they are a group that it is rare to have all of them stand up together for one thing. The very fact that all those farmers were out there together today, standing up saying, we really have a problem here, and the fact that it wasn't just the older farmers that were out there. It was the older farmers. It was the middle farmers. It is the younger farmers. It is the kids, and like A1 was saying, it is tradition, and it is multi-generational, and when you are sitting here as a group, and you are thinking about the five acre zoning, and we all know that is going to make the affordable housing issue even more difficult. It is already hard on these farming families. It is very hard for myself and for my husband right now, and to sit there, and to say, Jean, with all respect here, with listening to what you are saying about the affordable housing, and ! hear how hard you guys have looked at it, and thought about it, from a farmer's prospective it is totally unappealing. If you are sitting here, and you are saying you want to be in support of agriculture, and moving forward with that, then you want those other generations to come along, and you want them to want to farm, and in fact if they are looking at not being able live right around their farm, or right around the community, in my situation, you know you have got a farmhouse on the farm, one farmhouse, and then you have got the other family members who need to be able to live in the community. If they are going to live in an affordable housing complex, and they are working for the kind of wages that farmers are very happy to work for, because it is trade-off of life style, and they are no longer having that trade-off, that life style that they need to have to continue to do what they are doing isn't there, they are not going to want your affordable housing. They have got to be able to live in the community and part of that community, and that means being able to live near the farm on the farm right around the farm, not over here somewhere. They are not going to want that. ! wouldn't want that, and ! don't believe that those kids coming along are going to want that either. That is going to be one of the quickest ways to end farming out here on the North Fork, because they are not going to want to work under the conditions that you are going to be asking them to. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Thank you. COUNCILMAN RICHTER: Can ! just say something on that, because ! appreciate your comments what you are saying? But, ! think that is already out of our hands by the economics and the desire, and the price of the land right now. DENISE HUDSON: ! don't think so at all. Right now, my husband and ! are doing just fine in working with that. We are living in a beautiful old home. It is a 1798 home. We are able to work on the farm every day, and run a bed and breakfast on the farm, and that allows us to do that. ! think the people who want to be in this community, and who want to work in agriculture are going to go about finding the ways to do that as long as you don't make the burden too high for them. 6/19/2001 29 COUNCILMAN RICHTER: I don't disagree with you, and that is a good statement that you just made, but when I look at the medium priced house in Suffolk County, or in Southold, and it is well in access of $200,000, that is a lot of money. That is a lot of money for anyone to afford. DENISE HUDSON: It is a lot of money for us to afford. COUNCILMAN RICHTER: Especially a working class. Nobody wants to see the trade parade. We don't see that coming from the west end out here. We want to see a well balanced community. I mean that is definitely what we want to see. Those issues, like I said before, I think the typical own your own home the American dream, I think it is changing. Pitiful, I hate to see it, but I think that is changing. We know it is changing. When you have that money coming out of New York City, when you are an hour and a half drive from ten or fifteen million people in all different directions, and you have got that kind of money, and the desirability to live her, the land values are going to go up. DENISE HUDSON: That is for people who have done a job that they can walk away from at the end of the day. They can go kayaking. They can travel. They can do other things. I have got the home, and my enjoyment in life must come back from that, or I have no desire to live here. COUNCILMAN RICHTER: I have often said, and I am a builder by trade, if another house is not built in Southold Town I would be a happy man, and I am a builder, but my quality of life means more to me, to be able to go clamming or crabbing. That's more important to me. I will always find a way to make a living. TOM WICKHAM: My name is Tom Wickham. I am an eleventh generation farmer from Cutchogue and I want to address the Board regarding their five-acre upzoning proposal. At the outset I want to disclose that my family and I have no applications before the Board that subdividing and developing our farm is the last thing we want to do. On the contrary we have tried to consolidate holdings for farming, and that we are in discussions with Suffolk County regarding the sale of another parcel, the development rights to another parcel. I just had discussions with them last week, and the comment that the head of the real estate section of Suffolk County said, well, you better move quickly, because we are rapidly running out of funds. When Suffolk County runs out of funds the Town of Southold will run out of funds for that program. First, I want to point out that you do not have a sound basis for making a decision to upzone to five acres. You do not have a sound planning basis for that decision. Despite promises of enacting a master plan the Town does not have one. The best you can point to is a 1983 comprehensive plan for the town that warns about increase growth. I can not believe that this Board would base a planning decision of this magnitude that a report that is almost twenty years out of date. But you do have a much more relevant and recent report to base your decision on. It's called the Southold Town Farm and Farmland Preservation Plan, and it was adopted unanimously by your Board as recently as 1998. Since Board members may have forgotten what is in that report I want to remind you. A, to do nothing that would reduce equity in farmland is a primary point of that report, and B, to look for positive inducements such as farmland preservation program to keep farmers in the business of farming. Upzoning of farmland was never recommended in that report. Second, I want to address the issue of equity. The branch manager of the First Pioneer Farm Credit when he addressed the public information meeting held in this room about six weeks ago, a meeting that by the way only half the Board members bothered to show up for. He pointed out that based on his data of farm sales an upzoning of five acres would clearly result in a significant lose of equity, equity in the land. We can speculate whether or not the land would eventually regain full value. It might, but the damage in my view would be done. What damage? Farmers will face great difficulty in raising capital now, when they need it to convert to more efficient businesses and new crops. Mortgages will be more costly and more difficult to obtain. I want to pass on a personal comment that came from a bank manager who met with me in my annual financial transactions with the bank, and he was with a farm production credit bank. As he went out the door he said, Tom, I am advising all of my clients to quickly file a subdivision plan before their towns, and I noticed as I listened tonight to your Town Attorney explaining the bill, the legislation that you are sending out to various people for comment. It basically is promoting subdivision, and promoting grandfathering, and rewarding people who are quickly subdividing their property. Well, Board members, I want to tell you I am not going to play that game, and the farmers in this town, who have held on to their land all these years, who have not subdivided it, they are the people who have kept the town and the community the way it is. I am not going to play that game, and I think the Board rather than focusing on ways to expedite development, and change it, and turn it, should focus on ways to provide farmers with inducement not to develop their property. But, the most serious damage that I see from the five acre zoning would be to the town, not to individual farmers, because it will stop the sale of development rights probably in it's tracks. Why? Because the value of agricultural easements will be so small, either for charitable gift purposes, or for outright sale of development rights, the farmers will not interested. Enacting five acre zoning is very likely to mean the end of the Farmland Preservation Program as we know it. Fourth, I have to point out 6/19/2001 30 that five acre zoning will terminate farming and farmland much faster than current zoning. We all know there has been a gradual incremental lose of farmland. Going from two to five acre zoning will accelerate the loss of farmland in this town. Even Mr. Meinke in his comment to the newspaper pointed out that five acre zoning will expedite the lose of farmland. ! wish the Town Board and the Supervisor when they make comments promoting their five acre zoning will refrain from the claim that they are preserving farmland. It will be lost faster than ever with five acre zoning. They may be preserving open space. They may be making other goals and objectives that are valuable for the town. It will definitely not preserve farmland. Assuming that the demand for new home sites is the same in either case, five acre zoning will consume two and a half times more land. The Board apparently believes that cluster will somehow save the day, but the Town Code does not support that view. The Code says, that reserved open space and clustered subdivisions will be owned by homeowner's associations, or by the Town, or by some unspecified arrangements approved by the Planning Board. ! don't know of one instance where farmers and homeowners associations, or the Town for that matter, could get together for land to be farmed. That is the reserved area in clustered subdivisions. The Planning Board can and has on some occasions permitted the sale of reserved areas to farmers. That could help, but there is nothing that ! have seen in your five acre upzoning proposal to promote that option. We can only assume that the bulk of subdivisions will convert active working farms to open space. Open space, deer pastures, open space with shrubs and trees, and that kind of thing. Fifth, ! want to remind the Board what has happened on the South Fork. Easthampton has taken an approach similar to what you are proposing, and within roughly fifteen years virtually all farming in that town is finished. There is a hardly a farm left in Easthampton, and it wasn't many years ago when there were a number of them. Easthampton has a very good environmental reputation. They have done lots of things to preserve open space, and they have lost the bulk of their farming. Even successful nurseries in Easthampton are actively moving their field operations elsewhere including to this town. Southampton on the other hand, is engaged in a real dialogue between landowners, local officials, and other interested parties to craft planning measures that will maintain farmland. Among other things the Southampton Town Board has engaged the services of Pat Given, an appraiser used extensively by this Town in doing appraisals for the Farmland Preservation Program, and they have asked him to advise the Board on the effect of an upzoning, and his analysis, this is for Southampton now, based on farm parcels that have been sold recently showed a significant lose of equity when the upzoning resulted in reserved open space increasing from fifty to sixty-five percent of the parcels. ! think, would this happen here? Why not find out. Get some qualified well regarded person that you would engage to get answers to some of these questions before just doing it, and finally ! would like to comment on a personal nature. Farmers have looked after the land in this town for centuries. They have generally preserved it over the generations. If they had not done so we would not be here today talking about it. Farmers operating farms and farmland are all critical to the Town's future. To press ahead with this proposal, which will clearly hasten the loss of that farm environment is not in the Town's interest. Then some more personal comments. ! am amazed, ! am really amazed that not one person on the Board, even those ! do business with, and with those whom ! have worked closely with in the past, have had the gumption to seriously sit down with me, or any other farmers to discuss this proposal. It is as if the Board has it's marching orders, and is going to enact the proposal no matter the facts. That is the impression we have. The tradition in this town has long been to have a series of meetings with affected groups before enacting significant changes in zoning. We have had only one superficial public information were the Board essentially tried to press it's views on us. Half of the Board didn't even bother to show up, and there was no interest in learning what we, who own the farmland believe should be done. The town's preservation advisors, the Peconic Land Trust, does not support this move. Why spend the money on them if you don't listen to them? The Town's own Agricultural Advisory Committee strongly and unanimously objects to it yet you wouldn't even allow them to address the Board during your work session discussing that this morning. Why have that committee? If you are not prepared to have it engage with the Board in taking up the serious matter of this kind. In conclusion the future of farming in this town is not just tied up with profitability, which is very thin. It is not tied up with weather, sunlight, and rain. It is really tied up with the generational succession from one generation to the next, and let me tell you what it is that really interferes with that succession. It is called risk. Risk that they don't quite know what the town has in store. Risk that someone is going to pull the rug out from under us after we are well established, or trying to get established, risk that we are not going to be able to finance our operations next year because the banks are going to want more collateral, collateral that we don't have. Risk, think about risk in your business. Think about risk in your lives. That is kind of rest that growers face every day, and then think about what you as Board members can do to reduce the risk for farms and farmers, who want to continue farming the way they have done for generations. Thank you. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Anyone else like to address the Town Board? ERIC KEIL: Hello. My name is Eric Keil. ! am a Mattituck resident, and some of the Board members know me personally. My family owns a farm in Peconic and a farm in Mattituck. Many of the people 6/19/2001 31 who have spoken tonight have addressed a great many of the issues that concern me as well, but there is one aspect, and that is the clustering that troubles me greatly. The farm that we own in Peconic, some of you may be aware of it. It is very picturesque. It has been photographed many times in the Suffolk Times. It is about 350 feet wide. It is nearly a mile long. It is thirty-one acres. The Town has expressed its view very often that one of the things that they really want to do is to preserve scenic vistas, which is an admirable desire. It is a great goal. This is such a beautiful place to live, and ! like that, too. The concept of clustering, almost every parcel from Mattituck to Southold is very similar to our farm, particularly in the Cutchogue and Peconic area. Would these clusters take place close to the road where the services could most cheaply be provided? That would destroy the scenic vista. Perhaps the cluster should be moved to the back of the property where, you know, no one would have to look at them. The vista would be unobstructed. This would create development costs. It would be extremely high, and on top of that it would place the developments over the watershed area, that everybody seems to want to protect. ! really don't think there is any way to cluster these properties. ! really feel that the only way to adequately preserve them, and to preserve farming in this area is to purchase the development rights. ! really do not see clustering working in this area at all, and there are places where clustering works quite well. Peconic Land Trust has had several very successful projects where they have been able to carve out several extremely valuable lots, you know, on creeks, with great vistas, and rolling landscape, but the best agricultural soil farms are really inappropriate for clustering. That ! think is a major flaw with the five acre zoning proposal. It does not address that. Clustering is a great idea if it works, but for these twenty and thirty acre farms that are long and skinny, that go from the Main Road to the railroad tracks, or from the North Road to Oregon Road, or from Oregon Road to the Sound. ! just don't see clustering working on them. Other people have covered most of the other things ! wanted to say. COUNCILMAN ROMANELLI: The only thing I want to say on your comment is the problems exist on two acre or five acre, no matter what the zone is, the clustering, the road. ERIC KEIL: All that is true. That is why I am saying, buy the development rights, but what other people have said about damaging the development rights purchase program. ! agree with that, and that is the basis for what ! am talking about. ! think if the Town decides that the way to preserve open space, forget the issue of farmland, but the way to preserve open space is to decrease the density. ! think that if that is the decision that is made that the focus on development right purchase is going to lose, and ! don't think that many people are going to participate. In closing my family has owned that farm for thirty years. We have no plans to develop it. My family universally agrees that they don't want to see it developed. ! haven't talked to a farmer yet who says, ! want to develop my farmland. Farmers are not land speculators. We don't buy farmland to speculate that the price may go up, so that we can sell it for housing lots, and earn money. We buy farmland because it is an asset of our business. It is the basis of our business, and that is the reason why we buy farmland, and that is why we are in it. That is all ! wanted to say. Thank you very much. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Anyone else like to address the Town Board? ED HARBES: Hello, Board members. My name is Ed Harbes. We have a farm in Mattituck. ! would just like to mention that in any important legal transaction most parties would like to secure legal counsel, some sort of professional counsel, to make sure that their interests are well represented in the transaction. In this particular situation the proposed five-acre ordinance, ! believe the farming community do not believe at this time the have a representative in the planning process, that is on their corner representing their best interests, and that is scary, and that is frightening to landowners that fear that their long-term assets may be in some jeopardy, some known, and some perhaps even at this point unknown. So, do you think it is an unreasonable request for the farming community to ask for some sort of representative of the farm community involving in the planning process? SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: No. That is why we just got the legislation this morning. ! have pile on the floor here in case anyone wants one when they leave. We just received this, this morning, and that is why it is going out to these different departments and farm bureaus, so they can review it. None of us, except the Board really knows what is in this yet, except the press. We gave copies out this morning also. So, some of it you may like. We don't know yet. ED HARBES: But, we are under the impression that this is imminent legislation, and at this point we haven't even been involved in the planning process. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: You will have the time to read it, and digest it, and get back to us with your input. 6/19/2001 32 ED HARBES: But, I think I represent the farmers here in saying that has been one of the major concerns up to this point, that we haven't been included in the planning process thus far, and seems that legislation seems to be imminent from what we have heard. Thank you. TOWN ATTORNEY YAKABOSKI: Mr. Harbes? Just so you are aware, I am not sure what imminent means to you, but just so you know from a legal process, this would have to be done by Local Law. Just a quick review of the process. You would have to have a draft in substantially final form to the Town Board, and then as a resolution setting a public hearing. In addition at the same time there would be a resolution, which we refer out to the Town Planning Board and the Suffolk County Planning Commission. We have to do that per law. They have up to 30 days to respond. The public hearing usually will be set at the 3 1st day, 32nd day, somewhere in there, and then you hold a public hearing. Maybe there will be SEQRA involved, SEQRA Review involved, and that is what would have happen. There is no final form of legislation. Again, it depends on definition of imminent. I realize that. I just want to give a quick overview of what the process would be to actually bring it through to a local law. ED HARBES: This has been publicized in the paper as something that is on a fast track. Have you not read that? TOWN ATTORNEY YAKABOSKI: I have read something like that, but I really wanted to address what. That why I actually asked to address you, and to address the concern, and that is how a local law is done, and what is said to being done, and what is actually being done, there is nothing. There are no resolutions on. You can see that in of the records for setting public hearings, referrals to Planning Board, referrals out to Suffolk County Planning Commission. Actually what is really going on is a lot of fact gathering, public information hearing. I know some of the Board member actually met with the Ag Advisory Committee. Letters have gone out, and people have met recently with the farmers. I know also that the letters had gone out early to the Ag Advisory Committee, to Land Preservation Committee, to the Planning Board, asking for input. I see Mr. VanBourgondein shaking his head, but I know he did receive that letter. We received input from him. That kind of process has been going on. It is a big fact gathering process going on. To put it in prospective of the whole spectrum of what would have to happen. The actual legal process has not started. ED HARBES: Okay. We just enjoy having representative part of the process. Thank you. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: I am going to take Mr. Nickles, and then I am going to take anyone that hasn't spoken yet I will take, and then I will go back, Doug, to people for the second time. JOHN NICKLES: John Nickles with Southold Business Alliance. I really don't have anything to say as the head of the Business Alliance, but I do have some concerns. It seems to me that, I think that the stakeholders feel left out of the situation because there hasn't been a series of meetings after that first initial meeting that occurred prior to drafting legislation. I think that if it is possible to continue this fact gathering process before starting to work on this law. I think you would make a lot of people happy, or happier. That is my only comment. Thanks. COUNCILMAN RICHTER: John, that was a good statement that you just made. I was just talking to John a second ago, and we were going to talk five acre zoning today, and brought some of the information that I had out of one of my folders at my desk back in my office on five acre zoning, and this folder contains all kind of correspondence that we are getting. We are using that material to make a decision, to make a draft of the five-acre upzoning. I think now is the time for the dialogue. Here again, I think that people are somewhat skeptical, but this is now the time for this to come out, and then get the comments back again. As Supervisor Cochran said it is going to go out to the different committees, and that is where it should be. Thank you. SOPHIA GREENFIELD: Sophia Greenfield. I will just add something. I had a personal experience recently where I was looking at a piece of property at what I called a reasonable price. It became public that this five acre zoning was imminent, and when my contract fell through on this particular property, and adjacent one owned by the same property owner was offered, I saw it in the newspaper, for approximately 30% or 40% increase in value. Okay? So, that is how it impacts an individual. Suddenly land value became or is explosive. Also when we talk about five acre zoning as a protection for farming what we fail to realize is that once we cluster housing, and we have say a two acre parcel, maybe four or five of them with forty acres around them, thirty acres around them, those parcels will become pricey enough that maybe they are three or four hundred thousand. The one that busy this three or four hundred thousand parcel you are going to be putting another three or four hundred thousand dollar into that house, and I assure you they don't want to see a tractor in the morning. They don't want to see the farm workers. They don't want to hear the noise from the tractors. They don't have the spray, so essentially what we are doing here is gentrifying rather than an aid to farming. Thank you. 6/19/2001 33 SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Anyone that has not yet addressed the Board that would like to be heard? No one? Mr. Cooper? DOUG COOPER: ! would just like to echo what Mr. Harbes said. It seems confusing to many of us that you would come up with a draft with very little input or planning from the people that it is going to affect. This can be the NFEC. It could be the farming community. It can be the residents who live here. A number of years ago the Mattituck-Cutchogue District needed to add on. The teachers knew this. The school board knew this. The administration knew this. In their budget they put in for a new addition to the school. It was soundly voted down with good cause. It was voted down because it did not involve the public, did not let the public know why this was needed. ! am on the School Board. A couple of years ago we knew we had to add on, and we involved the whole public, everyone that was involved, the parents, the business, senior citizens. We worked together. We worked up a plan. We did not go them, and say, this is what we have, now let's adjust it to fit your needs. We brought them in and, said, what do we need? ! think, many of us think, that you are putting the cart ahead of the horse. You now have a draft, but where did it come from? It came from perhaps your wishes or your ideas, but it not come from those directly involved. We are asking you to bring us in. Let's work out a plan that can work for us, and we can do this. Thank you. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Anyone else? ED HARBES: ! just want to reiterate. We have an intra-structure all ready in place for preservation of farmland. Let's get the green light from you guys. Let's get out there. Let's get our pep talk to our committee members, and let us get out there and do what we can do to preserve farmland. We have got some money. We have got some people with farmland. We are in the same room. We can take it out in the hallway. You know, things can happen here in a very positive way, but let the committee of Farmland Preservation Committee also become part of it. Give us the green light, and we will go with it. SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Thank you. Mr. Nickles? John, did you want to say something again? JOHN NICKLES: Just in response to Mr. Richter. ! have no idea what the written comments are, and ! don't think anybody in this room unless they wrote one of those letters know what the written comments are. ! know the written word is powerful, but so is the spoken word, and ! think we are looking for more of the spoken word here. COUNCILMAN RICHTER: That could very possibly be. ! know this folder ! brought because we were going to discuss it today is sitting on here with comments from a lot of people, from Joe Gergelo, and from people sitting out in the audience here. ! mean we are taking into account the comments that are coming in. ! mean we got them here. We are reading them. JOHN NICKLES: Is there anything that prevents you from having more meeting prior to drafting a law? COUNCILMAN RICHTER: ! am not going to speak everyone. ! am sure this is not it, though. This is by far not it. This is a draft of the legislation of something that we see as a need. JOHN NICKLES: So, there should be more meetings prior to a public hearing? SUPERVISOR COCHRAN: Anyone else like to address the Town Board? (No response.) Otherwise ! will entertain a motion to adjourn. ! have copies of the draft, so, if anyone would like one at this point, and they will be going to committees that ! mentioned tomorrow. Moved by Councilman Richter, seconded by Councilman Murphy, it was RESOLVED that this Town Board meeting be and hereby is adjourned at 6:45 P.M. Vote of the Town Board: Ayes: Councilman Richter, Councilman Murphy, Councilman Romanelli, Councilman Moore, Justice Evans, Supervisor Cochran. This resolution was duly ADOPTED. Elizabeth A. Neville Southold Town Clerk