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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-10/05/1965Southold Town Planning Board SOUTHOLD, L, I., N. Y. PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS John T/ickhem Ch-eirmen Henry Moisa Alfred ~'rebe Archibeld Young T/illi~m Uni:elbach SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING' BOARD October 5, 1965 A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was held at 7:30 P.M.r, Tuesday, October 5, 1965, at the Town Office, Main Road, Southold, New York. There were present: Messrs: John Wi~kham~ Chaimman~ Henry Moisa, Archibald Young, Alfred Grebe. Absent: William Unkelbach Also present: Messrs: Howard Terry~. Building InspeCtor, Otto van~Tuyi~ Consultant; Lawrence Tuthill, proffessional Engineer. Lefferts P~ Edson~ Esq, t Mr. Stern and Mr. ~organ appeared before theBoard to, discuss the dedication of land/n connection with the subdivisions"Eastern Shores at Greenport~" Southold T~n Planning Board -2- October 5, 1965 FRANK S~: I present the map for dedication of the 200 feet, no more, or less. Our problem ~s being faced with regard to this area. ( pointing to map). This area is not ready for develgpment. That is the reason we have left on file with the Planning Board our letter of intent. In the meantime we feel that it will be a handicap to discuss a right of way. The Mayor of Greenport is agreeable to give right of way over this property here. Since this is difficult to discuss, we will give you 200 feet in the area. ( pointing to map). You will have immediate access across the-Sound Drive Territory. Eastern Shores has always beer willing to negociate. We have met-with the Planning Board and The Town Board. Our decision is 200 feet, no more or no less. THE'CHAIRMAN: We can play the same game. We have said that we will require at least 200 feet, and I am just laying this on the table for my opinion. This will fullfill our requirements, but his does not fullfill the Town Board's requirements. As far as dedication is concerned, access means nothing to the Planning Board at the present time. So that the right-of-way is of no particular'consequence at this time, and we could say very easily we will accept yourloffer. This will fullfill our requirements for-Section 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. We will require an instrument in writing, but you still have the hurdle. What you do with the roads we can't accept. That is the Town Board, that is their responsibility andpr'iv~lege. MR. STERN: I don't follow you about the roads. THE CHAIRMAN: Have you dedicated any of the roads yet? MR. STERN: Yes, the roads in Section I. THE CHAIRMAN: We have no authority to accept roads. We have the right to specify what will be required, and we can specify the park and p!ayground area, but his does not guarantee dedication. I see no great problem. If the Town Board continues to fe~l the way they do now, you will have to makelfurther arrangements with them for dedication. This'would make sence to me. If you don't~wish to go along with them, that is your privilege. Southold Town Rlanning Board -3- October 5, 1965 MR. STERN: The only thing I can say in regard to this, this will be put into the lawyers hands. Mr. Van Tuyl, and Mr. Edson will make all the arrangements. The revised map of Sound Drive will get the preliminary approval. If you wish to give us preliminary approval on the refined map at the same time the lawyers are working on this, you can fall back on this. It will all be done by the tim~ the map is up for final approval. I am now referring to Section IV. We made minor changes in this section and we feel that it is up to us to inform this Board so there will be no great surprises when we file for the final approval.. Because of the erosion problem we had to angle down the road. (The Board viewed the original map of Section IV, Eastern Shores, and Mr. Van Tuyl and Mr. Stern pointed out the changes.) MR. YOUNG: DOes this 50 foot road dead-end on the east line? Mr. Van Tuyl: Yes. MR. YOUNG: Is this with anticipation of carrying the road through ? MR. VAN TUYL: Yes. MR. STERN: Some adjustments need to be made because of the erosion. MR. VAN TUYL: At the Town Board discussion of this, there was some question if they would accept this with the 100 foot turnaround at this point. THE CHAIRMAN: We have discussed this, and I told Mr. Morgan the Town Board is in no mood at the present time to accept dedication of this road on the terms that you have outlined. They told me that they felt they should have at least 600 feet because you have six sections.° I told them that this was un- reasonable and they agreed. They feel that they should have 100 feet on the sound for each section of the subdivision. This is their requirement. MR. STERN: This is beautifuly beach we are giving you. Ail sand, no ro~ks and stones. This is the cream of our beachfront. SOUTHOLD Town Planning Board -4- October 5, 1965 THE CHAIRMAN: This I agree with. Nevertheless, the Town Supervisor stated that the would not accept this as presented. I haven't talked to him since. My feeling is, he is of no mood to accept this. You know that applications for dedication come V to us. In this case we have no alternative but to say this should not be accepted until they give 100 feet. You will fullfill our requirements. This is what we require. If the Town Board wants to take another 100 feet that tis their privilege. MR. STERN: I will not argue with this Board, but we have asked you to state your demands on Section I and Section II. We have a letter for 200 feet. We have agreed and lived up to our promise. That is the agreement. People have the right to change their minds. Eastern Shores stands ready at all times to cooperate. We have lived up to all our promises. We could just drop this whole thing. There are five members in this and in two years no one has drawn out anything. This has been an asset to the Town and the Town of Southold has received triple the amound of taxes on this land. We feel we are doing our part by dedicating what the Planning Board has asked for. The Town Board, when we were there approved it, and then the next day I find it isn't so. THE CHAIRMAN: Maybe I haven't made it clear. This fullfills our requirements. This is all that we will require. We too are g~ntie gentlemen and have moral obligations which we accept. The point I want to make clear is that the Town Board stands ready to require more shorefront. We are just talking about the Planning Board. You are willing to take care of the Town Board and dedicate when it comes time. May I say that you are a little short-sighted. The Town Board is ready to give you a statement in writing on a 300 foot deal that this fullfills all the requirements for all shorefront access in the subdivision , for all sections. We think this will be of value to you. LEFFERTS P. EDSON, ESQ.: This is in fullfillment of the Park and Playground area als0? THE CHAIRMAN: Yes, this makes sense. In looking at this sketch, there is something that has to be changed a little. The way this sketch is laid out, it comes to a point where the Greenport property meets the mean tide line. You can't have access over a point. MR. VAN TUYL: If they get a right-of-way fromthe Village over to th&s point (indicating place on map), they will give right-of-way when it is laid-out. Southold Town Planning Board -5- October 5, 1965 THE CHAIRMAN: At high water mark, no one from the Village could get to this point without ~resspassing. It would have to be an acre instead of 3/4 of an acre. You can,t give access over a point. (A lenghty discussion was held by all interested parties concerning the access.) MR. YOUNG: We have asked 100 feet of those developments that only have five or six hundred feet on the ~ater. It would seem to me that we should try to make each developer and development give the same amount of property in comparsion to how much property they have. Only BOO feet of shorefront, it would seem to me that we have been more than generous in this case. It was my understmnding ~hat we said at least 200 feet. We would accept at least 200 feet. The area that you have down in the po~d inSection II, that is something the public is not g~ing to be able to use. That is for the inhabinants. As far as the town is coneerned, in comparsion to what we have required of other subdivisions, we have been' generous. If the Town Board takes an opposite view, there is nothing we can do. THE CHAIRMAN: Would you like to look into the possibility of getting a guarantee from the Town Board, that if you give an additional 100 feet that tit would full,ill all the requirements for the whole establishment and for the aprk. LEFFERTS p. EDSON, ESQ.: It would save alot of trouble. (Mr. Stern and Mr. Morgan did not appear agreeable). THE CHAIRMAN: I have the authority to state that the 300 feet will fullfill all the requirements for all the sections of the subdivision. Planning Southold Town/Board -6-- October 5~ 1965 William Wickham~Esq, app~&aed before the Board with a preliminary map of "Vanston Park"~ part,of ~roperty ofMargaret V. Braatz& This subdivision would countain.16 lots all to be 20~O00square feet and up. There is a right-of-way which runs to Wunneweta Pond. This pond would be good for boating but not for bathing. However, there was some discrepency over the ownership of the right-of-way. The Chairman advised that he wanted the title cleared for the right-of-way. Then further steps may be taken on this subdivision. On motion by Mr. Moisa~ seconded by Mr. Grebe, it was RESOLVED that~the following annual estimate be submitted to the Southo~dTown Board for the fiscal year beginning January 1~ 1966: EXPENDITURES: Stationery~ postage, printing~ advertising legal notices~ etc. Telephone (Chairman) and Office Association of Towns Mtg. - New York OfficeEquipment Transportation (Fishers island Member) Car expenses $ $.10 a Members Remuneration: Chairman: $1050.05 Others: $ 950.00 $ 350.00 200.00 350.00 150.00 800.00 4850.00 $6800.00 REVENUES: EStimated income f~$m Subdivision aPPlications ~ 350,00 NOTE: Some provisions will need to ~e made for the~,~tt~Plan. Also provisions formaps should be made in the engineering budget. DATED: September 28~ 1965 Vote of the Board: Ayes:-Mr. Wickham~ Mr. Moisa, Mr. Czrebe, and Mr. Young. Southold Town Planning Board -7- October'5, 1965 No further action was taken, on the matter of Eastern Shores at Greenport. Mr,. Van Tuyl presented map of Harbor'Lights-Estates, Section II. It was determined that-Section II of this subdivision has been granted preliminary approval. If the applicant files the application and plat, the Planning Board will give tentative approval for this subdivision. However, the Plann/ngBoard will ask for'a park and playground area, and they will ask that the applicant commences work on the proposed private marina. On motion by Mr. Moisa, seconded by Mr. Grebe, it' was RESOLV~n that the minutes of the Southold Town-Planning Board dated September 1, 1965, be approved ms submitted. Vote of the Board: Ayes:~r. Wickham, Mr. Moisa, Mr. Grebe, and Mr. Young. No further~ action was taken on the application of Martin Nelson fora change of zone from~"A'' Residential and Agricultural district to "B~2" Business'District on property located south side North Road, Greenportt New York. The Planning Board received the follOWing statement fromantone Norklun: ".Pursuant to the Planning Board~srequest on'September 1st, 1965, I hereby state that in ~e Town Board changes the zone of the premises on Village'Lane, Orient, which I am pur, chasing from Mr. and Mrs.- Allen'A. Mickle, from residential to business,, I will' transfer any business tothat location and discontinue the non-conforming~ use of~mypremises located on Oyster'Ponds'Lane, Orient, N~Y. "Thank you foryour cooperation in this matter. "Very truly yours, /s/Antone Norklun." Southold Town Planning ~oard -8- October 5, 1965 On motion by Mr. Grebe, seconded by Mr. Young, it was RESOLVED: WHERF~_.~ the Planning 'Board has proposed amendments to the '!Rules and Regulations for th~ Subdivision of~Lan~,, and ~ the Planning Board, pursuant to due notice thereof held a hea~ing thereon, on the 1st day or,September, at-which time ail interested persons were given an opportunity to be heard~ NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the amendments proposed by the Planning Board forthe "Rules and Regulations for the Subdivision of Land",. be adopted. The Planning Board has received no real objections to these amendments although there were some comments made at-the public hearing. Vote of the Board: Ayes:-Mr. Wickham~ M_r. Moisa, Mr. Grebe, and Mr. Young. No further action was-taken on the application of;William J. Pollert, residing at Southold, New York, relative to a change of zone from "A" ~ Residential 'and-Aqricultural Districtto "B-2" Business DistriCt on certain real ~ropertysituated at Greenport New York. It was ordered that a letter be written to ~the Suffolk'County'Department of'Public'Works requesting maps of the future extension of'County Route 27A. The next meeting of ~he Southold Town~ Planning Board will be held at 7:30 P,M.'~ Tuesday, October 19~ 1965, atthe Town Office, ~in Road, Southold, New York. Meeting adjourned at ~0;30 P.M. ~HN WICKHAM, CHAIRMAN Respectfully submitted, Barbara C. Dittmann, Secretary