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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-02/14/1978P ,D JOHN WICKHAM, Chairman FRANK S. COYLE HENRY E. RAYNOR, Jr. FREDERICK E. GORDON JAMES WALL Southold, N.Y. 11971 TELEPHONE 765- 1938 A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was held at 7:30 p.m., Tuesday, February l~, 1978 at the Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York. Present were: John Wickham, Chairman Henry E. Raynor, Jr., Vice-Chairman Frank S. Coyle Frederick E. Gordon Absent was: James Wall (inclement weather) Also present were: Arthur and Millicent Gossner, League of Women Voters Jean Tiedke, League of Women Voters Franklin Bear, North Fork Environmental Council Peter Campbell, Suffolk Times Edward Bage, Town Engineer (9:00 p.m.) 7:30 p.m. Public Hearing on the question of the approval of the minor subdivision of property of Frank Murphy. Mr. Raynor read the notice of hearing and presented proof of publication in the L. I. Traveler-Watchman. Mr. Wickham went over the checklist. Mr. Wickham: Everything seems to be in order. This requires no highways. It has two rights-of-way. Do the minutes show what conditions, if any, are imposed on Section II? Mr. Raynor: I thought it was discussed that number two should be brought in as a major subdivision. Mr. Wickham: I will ask for anyone that wishes to be heard in opposition to this subdivision at this time. Hearing none, I will ask for anyone that wishes to be heard in favor of it. Planning Board - -2- February 14, 1978 Mr. Raynor: About twenty to seven this evening, Mr. Murphy called and said he would not be available and his attorney was tied up in Riverhead. Mr. Wickham: Would the board think well of adjourning the hearing until some time when Mr. Murphy or his attorney can be present? Mr. Coyle: We assume that there has been some contact made with Catalano or the Cemetery Association. We have some record of that, don't we? There was discussion on this and it was recalled that the cemetery had indicated that they have no money for expansion. Mr. Raynor: We have the usual restriction about not dividing into more than four lots. Mr. Wickham: If there is no one that feels otherwise, I would like to adjourn the hearing and get in at least a statement by the developer or his attorney that Section II will not be developed except as a major subdivision. This has been our uniform practice and there is nothing in the file. Mr. Coyle: Can you make them do that? Mr. Wickham: Surely, it is an evasion of the major subdivision requirements. If there is no objection, I will adjourn the hearing until 7:30 p.m. on March 6, 1978. Peter Blank~ Jr. subdivision. Mr. Blank and Irving L. Price, Jr., Esq. appeared. Mr. Wickham read over the recommendations of the Soil and Water Conservation District in Riverhead. In Item 2a of the report it was indicated that the coarse textured subsoils and 4 to 5 feet deep throughout the area. Mr. Blank indicated that he had put in three test holes one showed l-l/2 feet deep, one was 2 feet and one 2-1/2 feet but there was no five feet. The test holes were done on lots l, l0 and 15. Mr. Price questioned the qualifications of Mr. Esser who had made the report. Mr. Wickham answered that he was the District Conservationist. The criteria prior to this which has been used was established by Charles Barnett, formerly of the Soil and Water Conservation District in Riverhead. Mr. Blank said he had spoken to Mr. Irving Latham and he has a differing opinion. Mr. Wickham said we have an inspector and he decides how deep it should be. Mr. Price asked, assuming this is the specification for swales, what is the developed supposed to do and Mr. Wickham said they should get the opinion of their excavator as to whether it is feasible or not. Mr. Price asked what is the next step and Mr. Wickham answered that normally it is presented to the Town Board to see if they will accept it because it has to go to the Town Highway Committee and Town Highway Superintendent. Mr. Price didn't think the developer was obligated to do anything on Orchard Street as it is part of the town highway system. Mr. Raynor said this is probably why the District Conservationist asked for one-foot contours. Mr. Wickham said the Planning Board ~ -3- February 14, 1978 one-foot contours are necessary to determine the total quantity of water generated by five inches of rainfall. He said the people at the Soil and Water Conservation District will not design the drainage system, they will establish the criteria that the developer's engineer will use to design the system. They will tell him how many lineal feet of drainage swale of what width will handle the quantity of water that their calculations show will be generated on the property. On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED to forward the map of the property of Peter Blank, Jr. to the Town Highway Committee for its consideration of swale drainage construction on the road in his subdivision as per the recommendation of the Soil and Water Conservation District. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon Upon receipt of additional maps, same will be forwarded to the Town Highway Committee (Councilman Homan and Justice Suter), and the Town Engineers (Edward Bage and Lawrence Tuthill), and the Supt. of Highways. Joanne Schwartz minor subdivision. William Price, Jr. appeared. Covenants are restrictions are requested for no further subdivision. Ingress and egress for lot #3 will be ~im~ed to the right-of-way. Statement should be placed on map indicating above. On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was RESOLVED to approve the sketch map of the minor subdivision of Joanne Schwartz as amended January 26, 1978, subject to the building setback line ending at approximately the ten foot contour on lot #1. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Gordon, Coyle William Pollert. Mr. Pollert wanted some advice on subdividing his property. Either he has to bring in a four-lot minor sub- division and restrict the large lot as to no further subdivision or he can bring in a five-lot major subdivision all of which will be on Pine Neck Road. Mr. Pollert will have maps prepared and present them to the Board. Sebastian's Cove. George Toumanoff appeared. There was a review of this subdivision. The area for use of lot owners should be shown as park and playground. Mr. Raynor questioned the use of Section 2 for multiple as being a drain on the natural resources, especially where the board will be considering filled property possibly. There was discussion on a second curb cut for the use of the ~ultiple if such is granted. Mr. Toumanoff said the density based on the slips would be less. Mr. Gordon wanted to inspect the property. Planning Board -4- ~ February l~, 1978 It should be specified that there will be access to the launching ramp from both Section i and Section 2. After the Board has had an opportunity to make a field trip, an appointment will be made for Mr. Toumanoff to again come before the board. William and Barbara Schriever. Mr. and Mrs. Schriever and Charles Cuddy, Esq., appeared. Mr. and Mrs. Schriever asked if they could set up a partnership and they were told that was one of the ways this could be handled. The open space should be noted on the map as park and recreation and open space. The landlocked pieces should be transferred out before final approval. They will be covenanted with the exception of the piece next to Moor-Jankowski. Mr. Schriever requested a meeting with the Town Highway Department and the Supt. of Highways regarding the sump on Tabor Road. This meeting will be arranged. Mr. Cuddy requested that the map be forwarded to the Town Board for its approval of the property on the east side of Tabor Road to be developed in the cluster concept. If this is approved by the Town Board, then the map should be sent to the Soil and Water Conservation District for its recommendations on drainage. On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was RESOLVED to refer to the Town Board for its action as to whether it can be developed in the cluster concept the property of Barbara Schriever on the east side of Tabor Road. This property will be incorporated with the property of William Schriever on the west side of Tabor Road. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was RESOLVED to refer to the Town Board for its action as to whether it can be developed in the cluster concept the property of John Simicich located on the easterly side of Mill Road, Mattituck, as per recommendation of the Planning Board. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was RESOLVED to grant final approval to the map of the subdivision os the Estate of Charles J. Simon and authorize the chairman to sign the map. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon Planning Board - -5- . February l~, 1978 Richard Young - Horton Farm Estates Mr. Raynor reported on a meeting attended by the Supt. of Highways, Lawrence Tuthill, Howard Young, Rich Young and himself. He first read the following letter under date of February ~, 1978 to the Planning Board. Gentlemen: A meeting was held in Ray Dean's office on February l, 1978, with Ray Dean, Larry Tuthill, Henry Raynor, Howard Young and myself. At this meeting it was requested that I write a letter to your board stating that I would use all of the excess fill accumulated in the development of Horton Farm Estates to fill the low areas in the southeast corner of the development. This was to include some topsoil to be placed on the parks and recreation area. This letter confirms my intention to do as stated above. /s/ Richard E. Young The following were the result of agreement reached at this meeting. (All recommendations and comments come from memorandum of Lawrence M. Tuthill dated December l, 1977.) 1. The volume of the recharge basin is sufficient if the elevation of the bottom of the recharge basin is raised to Elev. 3.0' and the top elevation is 7.0'. Instead it was decided that the elevation remain the same and the basin enlarged ten feet on either side. 2. It is noted that some large areas below the flood plain level. This was the reason for the letter from Richard Young above regarding the fill on the lower areas and park and playground area. Recommendations 1. That the catch basins be placed on each side of the road of Horton Farm Lane at Sta l:00 to decrease the amount of runoff onto Eugene Road and that there be at least two catch basins on each side of the road in the area of the recharge basin as a safety against the probability of one of the drains becoming clogged. It was decided that with the increased area in the recharge basin that this would not be necessary. 2. That provisions be made to drain the lots on the east side of Horton Farm Lane near the entrance. This they discussed and it would be tied in with the recharge area. There was discussion on recharge within the subdivision and drainage coming off Eugene's Road especially coming down from one of the other subdivisions so we can alleviate the problem that now exists by this double trap conduit. Planning Board ~ -6- February 14, 1978 On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was RESOLVED to recommend to the Southold Town Board the bond estimate of $10,000 as prepared by Lawrence M. Tuthill, P. E., for the roads and drainage in the subdivision known as "Heritage Harbor" owned by Riverside Homes, Inc. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon Centennial Manor. Luglio. The county recommendations were reviewed and it was agreed to go along with items i and 2. The Planning Board feels the roads are properly located and there is no need for change. The bond estimate in the amount of $195,000 as prepared by Lawrence M. Tuthill, P. E., will be discussed with Mr. Tuthill prior to recommendation to the Town Board. On motion made by Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Raynor, it was RESOLVED to recommend to the Southold Town Board the bond estimate of $66,000 as prepared by Lawrence M. Tuthill, P. E., for the roads and drainage in the subdivision known as "Woodbine Manor" owned by Mr. and Mrs. John Fellinger-Ihar. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon Long Pond Estates was discussed briefly and it was decided to arrange a meeting with Lawrence M. Tuthill regarding his recommendations on the final map and the comments of Roderick Van Tuyl, the engineer for the developer. On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was RESOLVED to fOrward the map of the property of "Country Club Estates" to the Town Highway Committee for its consideration of swale drainage construction on the roads in the subdivision. On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was RESOLVED to release for sale lot #30 along with the moving of a house located on lot #31 to lot #30 in the subdivision known as "Country Club Estates" as per request of the developer, Philip L. Babcock. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon Planning Board -7- February 14, 1978 Motion was made by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Raynor and carried to adjourn the meeting. Meeting adjourned at 10:35 p.m. Wickham, Chairman Respectfully submitted, Muriel Brush, ~cretary