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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-03/27/1978 P T( JOHN WICKHAM, Chairman FRANK S. COYLE HENRY E. RAYNOR, Jr. FREDERICK E. GORDON JAMES WALL Southold, N.Y. 11971 TELEPHONE 765 - 1938 A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was held on Monday, March 27, 1978 at 7:30 p.m. at the Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York. Present were: John Wickham, Chairman (8:30 - 10:45 p.m.) Henry E. Raynor, Jr., Vice-Chairman Frank S. Coyle Frederick E. Gordon Arthur and Millicent Gossner, League of Women Voters Jean Tiedke, League of Women Voters Franklin Bear, North Fork Environmental Council Troy Gustavson, The Suffolk Times Frances Wegner, L. I. Traveler-Watchman Absent: James Wall (inclement weather) 7:30 p.m. Public Hearing on the question of the approval of the preliminary map of subdivision known as "Peconic Bay Cove" located at Peconic, New York. Mr. Raynor read the notice of hearing and presented proofs of publication from the Suffolk Times and the L. I. Traveler-Watchman Mr. Raynor: Approval of the sketch plan was April, 1977. In the file there is no letter from the Superintendent of Highways because the proposed subdivision is situated so the property is abutting the Main State Road on the north and Indian Neck Lane on the east. A question has been raised as to the conditions pertain- ing to drainage and we have not as yet gotten a letter from the Superintendent of Highways about drainage. Secretary: You probably won't because he is concerned about up the road and not here. Mr. Raynor: Is there anyone that would like to speak in opposition to this subdivision? Planning Board - -2- March 27, 1978 Arthur Gossner: The water runs from there into Indian Neck Road and is eroding the field. Mr. Raynor: We will get an opinion from the Superintendent of Highways about the drainage in writing. Millicent Gossner: On what lot is the house? Mr. Raynor: I want to hear any objections. Mr. Gossner: I am not in objection to the subdivision but there is a water problem. Lady: What's he proposing to do? Mr. Raynor: Are you an adjacent property owner? Do you have an objection? Lady: I am down on Arrowhead Lane and was just curious. Mr. Raynor: Is there anyone with an objection? Hearing none, is there anyone who would like to speak in favor of this subdivision? Rudolph Bruer: I am the attorney for the developer. I think everything was said that could be said on my part at the sketch plan last April. For the record, I would like to repeat every- thing I said at that time. I think we have gone over this and made the comments and I think it should be granted as applied for. Mr. Raynor: I see one very minor technicality. There is a provision for a path; it should be labelled foot path. Is there anyone else that would like to speak in favor of this subdivision? Hearing none, I would ask for anyone that has some information that he or she feels the Board should have some knowledge of in regard to this subdivision. Mrs. Gossner: Lot #2 which is .9 acres, is that the lot that the existing house is on? Mr. Bruer: I really don't know what lot it is exactly on but the developers will take it down and it is not an existing situation, It is not being sold with a house. It was there when they bought it and as far as they are concerned, it is nothing. Mr. Coyle: It is part of the kitchen of the main house that was already moved away. It is an empty shell of a building. Mr. Bruer: It will be eventually taken off. Mr. Raynor: Is there anyone else that has anything to add some light. Mrs. Gossner: Have you got problems with the wells on that property? Mr. Bruer: They are trying to get good water. Planning Board ~ -3- March 27, 1978 Mrs. Gossner: That is what I mean. I notice Krieger has been in for the last two ro three months. I was just wondering if there was a water problem. Mr. Bruer: He is going to speak to me tomorrow. Mr. Raynor: Anything else? Fred? Sparky? Mr. Coyle: I feel lots 2, 3 and 4 that require this footpath it should be in the deed to these people and should be left open to the lot owners Mr. Bruer: It should be in the deed? Mr. Coyle: It should be in number 4's deed that it should be left open. I presume the park and playground is the right size. Mr. Bear: What's the footpath for? Mr. Coyle: For the children so they won't have to go on the road to get to the park and playground. Mr. Raynor: Lot #6 will need covenants and restrictions as to no further subdivision. Mr. Bruer: Right. Mrs. Gossner: Is the park and playground the correct amount? Mr. Raynor: It is a small parcel. Mr. Coyle: It is correct. Mr. Raynor: If there is no one further that wishes to be heard, I will adjourn this hearing. Paradise-by-the-Sound. Roger Rath and Howard Young appeared. Mr. Tuthill's latest recommendations were reviewed. Mr. Rath voiced his objection to Mr. Tuthill coming up with these afterthoughts four days after a meeting with the Supt. of Highways, Mr. Tuthill, Mr. Wickham and Mr. Young regarding the map. There was a drainage question and now Mr. Tuthill is raising new points where there is already preliminary approval. He said he had tried to comply with all the recommendations of the Board and Mr. Tuthill. It was suggested that this matter be discussed later in the evening when Mr. Wickham and Mr. Tuthill were present as none of the other members had been at the meeting in Mr. Dean's office. 8:00 p.m. Public Hearing on the question of the approval of the preliminary map of subdivision known as "Orient Hills" owned by the Wilsberg brothers and located at Orient. Ernest Wilsberg and Richard Cron, Esq. appeared. Mr. Raynor read the notice of hearing and presented proofs of publication from the Suffolk Times and the L. I. Traveler. Planning Board - -4- March 27, 1978 It was noted that there are no metes and bounds shown on the map along the Long Island Sound. Mr. Raynor: Would the secretary make a notation in the minutes that the legal description is complete. The metes and bounds as to distances are incomplete on the map that is presented. We will open the hearing to anyone present that would like to speak in opposition to the subdivision of "Orient Hills". Hearing none, I will ask if there is anyone present that would like to speak in favor of the subdivision "Orient Hills". Richard Cron: I am appearing for the applicant. With the full expectation that the applicant has been before this Board on a number of occasions relative to this subdivision and hopeful that the same does meet the rules and regulations of this Planning Board, I would like to move that the Board approve the subdivision and forward same to the county. Mr. Raynor: Is there anyone else present that would like to speak in favor of the subdivision "Orient Hills". Hearing none, at this time I would like to review with the developer and his attorney the report of the engineer. Have you people had a copy of the letter dated the l~th of March? Mr. Cron: I have just read it over. I would request that the findings of the Board pursuant to this hearing be given in writing to the applicant making specific mention of whether the Board is approving or following the recommendations of the town engineer as set forth in his letter of March 14th. The following are the recommendations of the engineer and the decision of the Planning Board on them. 1. That this submission be disapproved due to gross differences between contours on plan and elevations shown on profile in the northeast section. The map will be corrected to properly show the contours and elevations. 2. That either Southview Road be carried to the west property line or that a proper curve be provided at the intersection with Hill Place. If the road isn't carried to the line, there should be a correction of the curve. 3. That a 200 foot tangent be provided between the reverse curves on Hill Place. This will be corrected. 4. That underground piping of storm water be provided when gutter flow exceeds 1,000 feet. Provision should be made for another recharge basin or piping to the existing basin. Comments 1. It is noted that most vertical curves are computed from barabola formulas rather than a radius as show~ on the profile of Northwest Drive. The vertical curves will be recomputed to use the standard that Mr. Tuthill feels it should be. Planning Board - -5- ~- March 27, 1978 Mr. Raynor: Mr. Tuthill, do you have any other comments? Mr. Gordon? Is there anyone present here this evening that has any- thing that should be brought to the attention of the Board at this time. Mr. Bear: I would like to ask a question of another access. Mr. Raynor: It ties in with Browns Hills Road which is another access which is approved. It meets the criteria of the ordinance because it is an emergency access. Mrs. Gossner: Between lots 23 and 22, that l0 foot wide strip, is that for Florence Cummings? Mr. Raynor: That was discussed at considerable length in the earlier stages. Has anyone else any questions regarding this particular subdivision? Hearing none, I will deem this hearing closed. * * * Mr. Wickham arrived. 8:30 p.m. Public Hearing on the question of the approval of the final map of "Kouros Acres" owned by Olympia Kouros and located at New Suffolk. Edward Boyd, Esq. appeared. Mr. Raynor read the notice of hearing and presented proofs of publication from the Suffolk Times and the L. I. Traveler-Watchman. There was a difference in two measurements - 298.8~ on Xouros Road to Campbell and 172.07 to the point or place of beginning. Mr. Boyd said the difference is the radius that was put in at the request of the Planning Board. What was in the paper was the original legal description. Mr. Raynor: As this subdivision is on an existing town highway, there is no letter from the Supt. of Highways. It was sent to the Planning Commission on the 2~th of this month. I will ask if there is anyone present that would like to speak in opposition to this subdivision entitled "Kouros Acres" in New Suffolk. Hearing none, I will ask if there is anyone present this evening that would like to speak in favor. Mr. Boyd: I am representing the applicant, Mrs. Kouros. I believe that we have complied with all of the requests of this Board to draw the maps according to ~our wishes.~r I believe there remains nothing for us to do and, accordingly, I would move that the final map of "Kouros Acres" be approved by this Board at this time. Mr. Raynor: Is there anyone else that would like to speak in favor of this subdivision. Hearing none, is there anyone present this evening that would have some information in regard to this subdivision that should come before this board at this time. Mr. Coyle: He has complied with the rules about number 5 and that is all we requested. Mr. Wickham and Mr. Gordon had no comments. Planning Board - -6- - March 27, 1978 Mr. Raynor: There being no further business, I will declare this hearing adjourned. Paradise-by-the Sound. Roger Rath and Howard Young appeared. The recommendations of Lawrence M. Tuthill, P. E., were discussed. Recommendations 1. That an additional hydrant be placed at the end of road "D". 2. That there be a 1 inch service line from the water main to each lot. 3. That the spacing of the manholes be not more than 200 feet apart. Comments 1. That lots Nos. 44 and 45 do not have a width of 150 feet at the building line. 2. That the park and playground areas do not total 2.5 acres. 3. That there is only one entrance to this subdivision. The following are the determinations reached by the Board. 1. Request letter from the Village of Greenport. 2. Request letter from the Village of Greenport. 3. Mr. Raynor will check with the Supt. of Highways. Comments 1. and 2. are waived. Comment #3 Mr. Wickham will explore with the Town Attorney. 9:00 p.m. Public Hearing on the question of the approval of the map of minor subdivision of Joanne Schwartz. William Price, Jr., Esq., appeared. Mr. Raynor read the notice of hearing and presented proofs of publication from the Suffolk Times and the L. I. Traveler- Watchman. Mr. Raynor: As there is no highway construction and this is a minor subdivision, there is no letter in the file from the Supt. of Highways. We will first ask if there is anyone present this evening that would like to speak in opposition to the subdivision of Joanne Schwartz in East Marion. Hearing none, I will ask if there is anyone that would like to speak in favor. William Price, Jr.: I am appearing on behalf of Joanne Schwartz to answer any questions regarding this minor subdivision. Mr. Raynor: Is there anyone else present that would like to speak in favor of this proposed subdivision? Hearing none, I have in the file correspondence, notice of the legal hearing, the copy of the declaration. Everything seems to be in order. Planning Board ~- -7- March 27, 1978 Mr. Wickham: There should be in the minutes some reference to the fact that there is a setback line in lot #1 which indicates that any residential building must be to the south of that line. Like- wise, there should be some reference to the pie-shaped small piece to the south of the Main State Road that it is part of lot #3 and not to be built upon. Mr. Raynor: It is indicated on the map. Mr. Wickham: It should be part of the minutes, also. Mr. Coyle: It says walking right-of-way and looks like they don't expect automobiles. Mr. Price: That is right. I have a description of lot #2 that is going to be used and refers to the walkway. Mr. Coyle: Do you feel that lot #2 and #3 have sole ownership? Mr. Price: It is in common with lot #1. These people have beach rights to that section right to this point. Mr. Wickham: Would you send us a copy of that? Mr. Raynor: Fred, do you have anything? Mr. Gordon: No. Mr. Raynor: Is there anyone present that has any information that they would like to present before the Board. Hearing none, I will declare this hearing closed. Peter Blank subdivision. William Price, Jr., Esq., appeared. Mr. Wickham read the latest letter from Mr. Esser of the Soil and Water Conservation District. Mr. Price requested a copy. 01d Town Park - James Bitses. Mr. Bitses had presented a new map. On motion made by Mr. Raynor, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED that the proposed cluster development entitled "Old Town Park at Southold" be referred back to the Southold Town Board with the accompanying data of Van Tuyl for its consideration as a cluster location. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon Bayview Woods Corporation. Howard Young, P. E., appeared. Mr. Young is representing the developer and will furnish an affidavit of ownership. The Board will look at the property by the marsh. Planning Board - -8- March 27, 1978 On motion made by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED to set 7:30 p.m., Monday, April 17, 1978 at the Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place for a public hearing on the question of the approval of the preliminary map of subdivision known as "Cutchogue Joint Ventures~ Inc." Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon On motion made by Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Wickham, it was RESOLVED to set 8:00 p.m., Monday, April 17, 1978 at the Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place for a public hearing on the question of the approval of the final map of subdivision known as "Paradise-by-the-Sound". Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon Cauntry Club Estates. Mr. Raynor stated for the record that he is not in favor of the pipe going to the marsh because it might push the dike and go into the wetlands. He doesn't want the safeguard running off in the headlands of the creek. Mr. Tuthill was requested to recalculate on the sand drain. On motion made by Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED to grant approval to the sketch map of "Sebastian's Cove" said map dated January 18, 1978 and amended March la, 1978. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Raynor, Coyle, Gordon Abstain: Wickham A letter from George Toumanoff, the owner of the property, was read. Mr. Toumanoff requested permission to rough grade the road in order to open up the land for inspection by prospective buyers prior to submission and approval of the final map. The Planning Board voiced no objection to the rough grading of the road as this is Mr. Toumanoff's private property. This matter has not yet been before the town engineer, Supt. of Highways nor the County Planning Commission as to road location and design. Mr. Toumanoff also asked permission to enter into a contract of sale of lot #2, containing the existing farmhouse, prior to final approval of the plan, on the basis of the existing driveway, utilities and previous resident use of the property. This request will be explored with the town attorney for his opinion as to whether it is within the jurisdiction of the Planning Board to give this permission on an interior lot. Planning Board - -9- - March 27, 1978 On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Wickham, it was RESOLVED to grant approval to the map of the minor subdivision of property of Frank Murphy located at Laurel, New York, subject to covenants and restrictions being filed in the Suffolk County Clerk's Office as to no further subdivision and that Section 2 will only be brought in as a major subdivision if it is ever developed. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon On motion made by Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Wickham, it was RESOLVED to request a letter from the Supt. of Highways regarding the drainage in the subdivision known as "Peconic Bay Cove". Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon Mr. Wickham reported that he had discussed the flood plain elevation with the town attorney and Supervisor Martocchia and was told by them to go ahead and have Lawrence Tuthill, the town engineer, make a study using Planning Board and Engineering funds. It was also mentioned that Shelter Island and several other areas were barred from flood insurance. The Planning Board wants the town attorney contacted to find out what the reason is for this. On motion made by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board recommends that a study be made to determine the accuracy of the Preliminary Flood Plain map as presented to the Town of Southold by the flood insurance people and also the accuracy of the statements made in the test. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon Mrs. Tiedke reminded the Board of its invitation to a program sponsored by the League of Women Voters and the North Fork Environmental Council at which David New, on of the Cooperative Extension Service will speak on Coastal Zone Management. On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was RESOLVED to set 8:30 p.m., Monday, April 17, 1978 at the Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place for a public hearing on the question of the approval of the final map of the subdivision known as "Country Club Estates". Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon Planning Board - -10- - March 27, 1978 On motion made by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED to waive the requirement of fifty-foot roads built to town highway specifications for the subdivision known as ,Brionngloid-by-the-Sea" because these roads are less than 600 feet long and will serve only one lot and it seems unreasonable to ask that they be constructed to town specifications. Right- of-ways will be subject to the town engineer's specifications for improvements. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Coyle, Gordon Abstain: Haynor (Mr. Wickham left) On motion made by Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED to set 9:00 p.m., Monday, April 17, 1978 at the Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place for a public hearing on the question of the approval of the final map of the subdivision known as ,'Brionngloid-by-the-Sea". Vote of the Board: Ayes: Coyle, Gordon, Raynor On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was RESOLVED that the Southold Town Planning Board is willing to approve a revision of the site plan of Eastern Long Island Kampgrounds~ Inc. that would allow 53 (5,000) square foot sites ahd 71 (2,500) square foot sites subject to the action of the Southold Town Board. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Raynor, Gordon, Coyle Motion was made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Gordon and carried that the meeting be adjourned. Meeting was adjourned at ll:20 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Muriel--Brush, Secretary