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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-08/07/1978P .D S JOHN WICKHAM, Chairman FRANK S. COYLE HENRY E. RAYNOR, Jr. FREDERICK E. GORDON JAMES WALL Southold, N.Y. 11971 TELEPHONE 765- 1938 A regular meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board was held at 7:30 p.m., Monday, August 7, 1978, at the Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York. Present were: John Wickham, Chairman Henry E. Raynor, Jr., Vice-Chairman Frank S. Coyle Frederick E. Gordon Franklin Bear, North Fork Environmental Council Millicent Gossner, League of Women Voters Peter Campbell, Suffolk Times Vice-Chairman Raynor opened the meeting at 7:30 p.m. Mr. Wickham arrived at 7:35 p.m. and requested that Mr. Raynor chair the remainder of the meeting. Serge Traube property. Helen Reiter appeared to discuss a possible subdivision of the property. She had outlined on a sketch map ten lots approximately 150 feet wide and comprising as much as three acres each. Mr. Raynor informed Mrs. Reiter that it will be required that a park and playground be included consisting of an area equal to at least five percent of the total acreage. A road for cross circulation will be required 1200 feet from the nearest intersection. It was also suggested that the owner of the property consider a cluster concept subdivision utilizing the lots on the existing road. Mrs. Reiter's main objection was the construction of a road to nowhere. Rene Gendron - Fischer Estate. A letter was read from Supt. of Highways Dean that the drain, pipe and ramp at the intersection of the subdivision with Soundview Avenue meet with his approval. Mr. Gendron said he had no trouble with all the rain recently. Mr. Wickham said he had not had an opportunity to visit the site but was more concerned with the spring in the road. Mr. Wickham will inspect the site. -2- Mr. Wickham made a motion, seconded by Mr. Coyle and carried to send the s~nd drain and final profiles in the matter of the subdivision "Country Club Estates" to the Suffolk County Planning Commission. On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was RESOLVED to gr~nt final approval to the map of the subdivision known as "Blue Horizons, Section One" and "Blue Horizons, Section Two" and authorize the chairman to sign the map. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon On motion made by Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Wickham, it was RESOLVED to recommend to the Southold Town Board bond estimate prepared by Lawrence M. Tuthill, P. E., in the amount of $3,500, reduced to $2,600 because of work accomplished, for the subdivision known as "Brionngloid-by-the-Sea". Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon Mr. Gordon made a motion, seconded by Mr. Wickham and oarried to approve the minutes of the regular meeting of July 17, 1978 and the special meeting of July 31, 1978. On motion made by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Coyle, it was RESOLVED to approve the sketch plan of C. Edmonds Allen (Folly Beach Limited) and Peter F. Kreh, map dated September 21,~76 and amended July 10, 1978. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon A description will be necessary around the perimeter of each of the minor subdivisions. It must cover i through 4 on the section of Mr. Allen including the right-of-way and A through D on the section of Mr. Kreh including the right-of-way. Spot elevations will be necessary for submission to the Suffolk County Planning Commission. Six maps must be submitted. Kampgrounds of America - Richard Wilton and Richard Lark, Esq., appeared. The following letter from the Building Inspector, George Fisher, under date of August 7, 1978 was read. Gentlemen: In reviewing the "Kampground Development Plan" with proposed 148 sites as revised July 21, 1978, submitted to me last Friday, August 4, 1978. This plan has no accurate measurements of the road width or of the individual sites. It appears from scaling, the proposed individual camp sites do have the required 2500 square feet of area as per Section 88-21A. A few sites on the inside curve of the road do not scale 50 feet for the required width as per Section 88-21D. Section 88-22 requires at least one two way road extending around the perimeter of the park. I question the one way loop in the southeast corner. Until I have more accurate measurements, I cannot give any definite comments. /s/ George H. Fisher Senior Building Inspector Mr. Wilton said he had the Greenport Hook and Ladder fire truck go through the site and there was no problem for emergency access. He said when you are physically measuring there are 50 foot fronts on all the sites. The lots on the perimeter would only be used in the summer. These sites should not be used 30 days prior to the opening and closing and the loop road should be closed in the southeastern part. Setback lines should be placed on lots indicated by the building inspector. Mr. Wickham requested that numbers be placed on the sites so they can be referred to. He would also like the pedestals located on the plan. The building inspector would also like to see the fence show~ on the map. Lawrence Kirk - change of zone application. Mr. Kirk and Richard Lark, Esq., appeared. The referring letter from the Town Clerk was read. Mr. Lark indicated there are four exhibits. One and Two are statutory. Number three is the existing state of facts. Fishermen's; Rest is B-1. There are two small dwellings and a garage in the rear of the subject property. Mr. Kirk is contract vendee to buy this parcel which is presently A-R. He wants it zoned the same as his existing property primarily to get some expanded parking area. The way the ingress and egress are presently leaves something to be desired. Initially, Mr. Kirk wanted to buy the vacant land for parking only. One building is presently worthless and the garage is not worth spending any money on. On investigation, the building to the east is sound structurally and worthwhile saving. Mr. Kirk is proposing to renovate that building to create a gift shop but the primary reason is to pick up more parking and better egress. Mr. Kirk intends to put in a buffer around the perimeter. Mr. Wickham asked that the following comments made by him be placed in the minutes. He wants the board to know and the minutes to show that some time ago there was a road proposed through here and he thinks it is a matter of record that the Cutchogue Fire Department wanted to put a road through here and at that time all the tentative arrangements were made and it went to a referendum and was defeated. It was to be a public road and for precisely the same p~rpose. Mr. Wickham also wanted the record to show that although the map shows in his name, it is in the partnership of Wickham Fruit Farm in which his son and wife are equal partners. There has been quite a bit of discussion between Mr. Kirk and himself aud the attorney about the whole possibility and at one time there was discussion about extending the business zone back another 100 feet taking property that the partnership owns and, perhaps, exchanging some on the highway which would give Mr. Kirk the full depth of his parking lot instead of half the depth of it. It is Mr. Wickham's feeling that this would still make more sense rather than having an L-shaped parking lot. Mr. Wickham said the Planning Board has usually required a buffer strip and a residentially-zoned buffer strip in many cases. He agrees with a need for a business zone for the western part of that parcel but rathe~ than change the zoning where the historic house is, it is perhaps the oldest in the Village of Cutchogue besides the Old House, that Mr. Kirk's ends could be gained just as well by maintaining that house for the purpose he wants it with a variance from the Board of Appeals. That way the Board of Appeals would keep control of it. Mr. Wickham would be happy to have a gift shop there as it would probably help his business but he is fearful if something happens to Mr. Kirk that a future owner might want to take Fishermen's Rest down and rebuild the entire length of the frontage. He concurs with what Mr. Kirk wants to do but, from his point of view, feels there is a better way to do it which wouldn't cost any more. Mr. Raynor pointed out that the board would have to act on this submission. Mr. Wickham said he wasn't basically opposed but other members of the Wickham Fruit Farm partnership would be because between Fishermen's and the 7-11 across the street the parking lot services the community rather well. There was further discussion regarding the parking reGuirements under the ordinance and that the area and number of parking slots weuld be sufficient for the restaurant and the gift shop. Mr. Raynor suggested the possibility of giving the old house to the Village Green. The board will make a field survey of the property and take action at the next meeting. Mr. Wickham left at 8:45 to make a field inspection of Mr. Gendron's property. William Schriever change of zone application. Mr. Schriever appeared. The referring letter from the Town Clerk was read. Mr. Schriever presented a letter from the Town Clerk containing the resolution denying the application for a change of zone to business for the adjacent property. Mr. Raynor did not feel it was pertinent because it was not the property involved in this applicatien. The reason Mr. Schriever is asking for this change of zone is because he wants to include this in his subdivision. The reason he didn't apply to upzone the rest is because he has a building on that property. He -5- is trying to upzone all that is not connected with the building. Mr. Coyle asked him what his reason was for wanting to upzone. Mr. Schriever answered that he didn't get the business zone for the rest of it. Mr. Raynor said this property was included in the base for his cluster subdivision. (Mr. Wickham returned at 9:05 p.m.) Mr. Schriever feels that if the adjacent property has to be residential, then he wants the rest to be residential. Mr. Coyle felt this property would be needed for stores to supply the people with food, and then Mr. Schriever would want a change back to business because that is what it was before. Mr. Schriever would really like his property that is zoned business to the north to be zoned industrial as he feels that would cause less commotion than a retail store. The Board will make a field survey of the property and make their decision in the 45 day time limit. Cutchogue Joint Ventures - Richard Cron, Esq., appeared. Mr. Cron presented prints for a revised layout of this subdivision. There was a question regarding the park and playground area. It looks like it includes the low meadow which is under water. Mr. Raynor asked Mr. Cron if the developers had considered clustering as the lots around the water could be utilized. Each member received a copy of the sketch. Sunset Bluffs Estates. Nina Stevens property. Richard Cron, Esq., appeared. Mr. Tuthill presented his comments to the board. Mr. Cron thought it was late to bring up providing stairs to the beach. He felt it was up to the people on the waterfront lots. There was a question about insufficiency of park and playground area. The beach is also a ~ and playground area but he felt there should be access to it Wickham). Manholes should be 200 feet apart. Final maps were presented. Mr. Cron is to receive a copy of Mr. Tuthill's recommendations aud comments. Soundwood Farm. Richard Cron, Esq., appeared. It was suggested that the developer put in a minor subdivision on the sound with a 25 foot road and put the rest in farmland acquisition. He thought they might consider a cluster to preserve the farmlmnd. Southold Gardens. Richard Babcock and Gary Olsen, Esq. appeared. The board requested 12 copies of the map showing the lowered sand drain. Mr. Wickham made a motion, seconded by Mr. Coyle and carried that if the map of Southold Gardens comes in in the near future identical in every other respect with our present map but with the bottom elevation of the sand drain at a ten foot elevation and if it meets with Mr. Tuthill's approval, that this be forwarded to the county with our resolution of approval. This is upon the approval of the chairman and vice-chairman and majority of the board. On motion made by Mr. Gordon, seconded by Mr. Wickham, it was RESOLVED to request that Mr. Lawrence M. Tuthill prepare a bond estimate for the roads and improvements in ~he subdivision known as "Southold Gardens". Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon On motion made by Mr. Coyle, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was RESOLVED to accept the length of the right-of-way to be 100 feet instead of 150 feet as the 50 feet can be picked up at the end of the right-of-way for the eastern road in the subdivision to be known as "Brionngloid-by-the-Sea". Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon It was agreed that recommendation be made that the grades be reduced toward the end of both roads to not more than 6% grade. On motion made by Mr. Wickham, seconded by Mr. Gordon, it was RESOLVED to set 7:30 p.m., Monday, August 28, 1978, at the Town Hall, Main Road, Southold, New York, as the time and place for a public hearing on the preliminary map of the subdivision to be known as "Sterling Forest" located at Southold, New York, and owned by Ronald and Edith Reese. Vote of the Board: Ayes: Wickham, Raynor, Coyle, Gordon Mr. Wickham reported that he had inspected the road in Mr. Gendron's subdivision and there is a spring in the road and steps will have to be taken to take care of that seep. There being no further business to come before the board, Mr. Coyle made a motion, seconded by Mr. Gordon and carried to adjourn the meeting. Meeting adjourned at 10:05 p.m. Respectfully submitted, MurieI--Brush, ,~Secretary ~ohn W~ckham, Chairman