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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB-11/20/1972-SSouthold Town Planning Board SrlUTHOLD~ L, I., N. Y. 11971 PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS John Wlckham, Chairman Henry Molsa Alfred Grebe Henry Raynor Frank Coyle MINUTES- SOUTHOLD TOWN PLANNING BOARD SOUTHOLD TOWN BOARD November 20, 1972 There was a Special Meeting of the Southold Town Planning Board with the Southold Town Board on November 20, 1972, at 7:30 p.m., at the Supervisor's Office, 16 South Street, Greenport, New York. There were present: Messrs: John Wickham, Chairman; Henry Moisa, Vice Chairman; Henry Raynor; Frank Coyle - Planning Board. Supervisor Albert Martocchia; Councilman James Homan; Councilman James Rich; Justice Louis M. Demarest; Justice Martin Suter - Town Board. Also present: Howard Terry, Building Inspector. Mr the proposed plot plan for ~ebble at ~ast Marion : with road profiles and sketCh of surrounding The Secretary read the folloWing letter from Pebble Beach Realty: "PEBBLE~B~A~tT REALTY, INC. subdivision at East Marion, the owners of the.subject property and its engineers and planning firm, Francisoo and Jacobus, Southold Town Planning Board Southo~d Town Board November 20, 1972 present herewith the following items for the Town's review: Site Plan at a scale of 1" = 100' showing lots, roads, greenbelt easements, wooded areas and contours. 2. Profile showing contours near the bluff line and contours at the proposed E-W road. Building Zone Map at a scale of 1" ~ 300' sh~w- ing proposed tie-in of E-W property road to adjacent road system. The purpose of presenting this information is to substantiate the cul-de-sac concept along the bluff line as being very desirable. The following points are notable in considering this concept~ An E-W road along the bluff line such as Aquaview Avenue is too close to the bluff for a main shore road. The enclosed profiles showing contours illustrate that the terrain is too irregular near the bluffs for a road on this property. The proposed E-W road shown on this Building Zone Map indicates a reasonable tie-in to Sound Drive on the West and to Stratmors Road on the East with an alternate tie-in to Southern Boulevard. Aqua- view Avenue is much too close to the Sound for a main E-W road. The Site Plan shows a heavily wooded area along t~e Sound which the proposed E-W road practically avoids, thus preserving the woods. The Site Plan shows greenbelt easements at the backs of lots on the cul-de-sacsroads which fully utilize the wooded areas giving more lot owners access to the bluffs. Without cul-de-sacs this concept would be impossible. e We have enlarged the cul-de-sac from 100' to 120' diameter incorporating .an i~land to facilitate ease of maintenance and snow removal. Southold Town Planning Board SOuthold Town Board November 20, 1972 Today cul-de-sacs are considered advantages to land planning since they eliminate thru traffic such as would be generated by "U" streets. Cul-de,sacs provide safe pedestrian areas and have become more desirable for home sites as documented by Real Estate Boards throughout the country. We~respectfully ask the Town's consideration for the use of the cul-de-sac concept along the Sound as a viable concept in land planning which makes for better use of shore front properties and which works well within the Town's Master Plan. Francisco & Jacobus November 17, 1972" Mr. Te~y also presented a sketch suggested by the Soil and Water Conservation Department for the roads and drainage. The proposed plot plan shows the cul-de-sacs enlarged ~o 120 feet in diameter with a 20 foot diameter center island. Mr. Wickham s~ated that the Planning Board has told them ~h~ ilo~ along ~he bluff will have to be set back more. When thi~ ~la~ing .Board suggested tieing the ~ut-de-sacs together ~hey argued it would increalse the traffic flow. Mr. Mar~o~ch[a i~quired .about ownership of~ the beach and Mr. wickh~m told him it will belong ~o the properlty owners along the bluff. Mr. Wickhaml also stated that the Plan~ing ~oard encourage~ developers who use imag!ination in planniMgl such as theigreenbelting. Mr. Demariest said he d~d~noi{ think the greenbelting was a good idea. Mr. Rayno,r said they would be easements and the property owner on each side would ~ake care of i%. Mr. Wickham said there could be a restriction that a property owner's association will be formed but to make sure that it will be done ils beyond our~control. Mr~ Demarest suggesited having on'~yone house per acre with ~luste~ing and leave'the rest for green areas. 230 lots Would double the population of East Marion. Mr~ W~ckham said in the true clustering concept you would not have to use a sewage plant· There was discussion about the wellfield of the Greenpor~tWater District. Mr. Wickham said he did not think clustering was the Southold Town Planning Board Southold Town Board November 20, 1972 answer in this location. If they want to abandon the wellfield it would be an ideal location. If people meet the requirements of the Town of Southold the Planning Board has no alternative, but to s~ yes. Mr~ Demarest said he thought the Planning Board can say no to the whole thing. A moratorium could be declared on all building. Mr. Terry said you can't declare a moratorium unless you have a ~et time to change the Ordinance. Mr. Martocchia siid it was the Town Board's decision to have only one area of M-1 Zoning adjacent to Greenport, in Southold and Mattituck. Mr. Wickham said as far as the Planning Board is concerned we can say wait until themultiple residences approved are built and full. If they come in with one acre zoning there is not ~-~ch that we can do. We can say even with sewer and water we feel it is too close to the wellfietd. We are going to tell them we want average 3/4 acre lots. Some of the Sound lots are goin~ to be acre anyway,. We are going to suggest that this be developed by sections and not more than one section in a five year period. Mr. Wickham asked if the H%ghway Committee thought it was better to have "U" streets instead of cul-de=sacs. There was discussion about the streets and the easements and it was decided to make two "U" streets at the bluff. Mr. Raynor said the Planning Board has also told them the greenbelting should be substantially wider. The Town Board and Planning Board next discussed the proposed roads and sketch by the Soil & Water Conservation District. The elevation of the roads ~s above the average grade of the surrounding lots. Mr. Demarest suggested doing a~ay with~half acre zoning and haVe clustering as an alternative. Mr. Wickham said he strongly recommended one acre bUt there is nothing to prevent somebody lik~ Levitt comin~ in and I am not sure one acre and clustering will do it. Mr. Demarest said one of the most important things in the Town is the amount of open space. He sai~ he did not see the need for 260 homes like this in East Marion. Southold Town Planning Board Southold Town Board November 20, 1972 Mr. Martocchia said they could be made to have one acre lots and still use a sewage treatment plant. Mr~ Demarest s~id they shouldn't use all the land. Mrw~Wickham said the Town can maintain existing agriculture with a population of 35,000. If we decrease agricultural use we can increase residential. When the Zoning Ordinance is amended it should state that we want to-preserve agriculture in the Town of.Southold not for the farmer but for the consumers on the Eastern seaboard. This is the first town in the State-in value of food producing. Water is only one of our needs. The Town has to realize that it does supply food to the whole Eastern seaboard and it should be stated in our Preamble. Mr. Wickham said the Planning Board will make a policy statement the first of the year that it is not willing to accept sovereignty of the County over the wetlands of the Town of Southold and as a matter of policy will vote unanimously on all wetlands applications. We are officially agreeing to out vote the County in every case. Mr. Demarest said the Planning Board should say no applications are going to be turned over to the County. The Town Board and Planning Board next discussed the foll0~ing proposed amendments to the Highway Specifications: 1. Add drawing for private driveway construction - property line to curb. page,!, item 4 - Clarify distance back from high water ma~k for 100' width as opposed to dead-end turnaround on upland; possible space to launch boat through guard rail. 3. Page 2, item 7 - clarify clearing 50' wide right of way property line to property line. Southold Town Planning Board Southold Town Board November 20, 1972 Se e 10. 11. 12. 14. 15. 16. Page 2, items 8 & 9 - clarify removal of topsoil and unsuitable material and bring in bankrun etc. before grading = 20% gravel all places. Page 2, item 11 - a. specify 18" galvanized corrugated pipe. b. Make this section and drawing same 12' radius. Page 2, item 12 - 7th!line = 1/2 gal. MC-250 - 13th line = 10 ton and roller Page 2, item 13 - 6' shoulder should be level. Page 2, item 13a Cleanouts on 18" line maximum 150'~ intervals and easements 20' wide. Page 2, item 14 - Increase assessment value to $100,000 in building per mile. Page 2 & 3, item 15 - Last line ~ Boxes at not more than 150' intervals. Page 3, item 16 - Second line add new sentence "As per drawing 9SD-721" after six ihches thick. Page 3, item 17 - b. change vertical to 1" ¢ 5' - e. add access to drainage structures to be shown on maps and profiles. Page 3, item 17. II C - add "and access to same" " " .... . III para. 6 change 1" to 5' vertical. Add Section requiring curbing on existing public roads where subdividing Add Section requiring 50' wide private roads. Add Section requiring drainage on exising roads where subdividing. Subdivision lots=should be sown with some type of cover before installation of catch basiRs~ Southcld Town Planning Board Southold Town Board November 20, 1972 There will be a Special Meeting of the Town Board and Planning Board December 4, 1972, at 7:30 p.m., at the Supervisor~s Office, ~6 South Street, Greenport, N.Y. The meeting was adjourned at 11:00 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Terri Lee Elak, Secretary Southold Town Planning Board