HomeMy WebLinkAbout10/04/1984 RECEIVED
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Southold, N.Y. 11971
(516) 765-1938
The Planning Board, Town Board and Zoning Board of Appeals
held a work session at October 4, 1984 at 7:30 p.m. at the
Southold Town Hall to review the proposed preliminary Master
Plan.
Present were:
Planning Board Chairman Bennett Orlowski, Jr.
Planning BoardMember William F. MUllen, Jr.
Planning Board Member G. Ritchie Latham, Jr.
Planning Board Member James Wall
Planning Board Member Richard Ward
Zoning Board of Appeals Chairman Gerard Goehringer
Member Serge Doyan
Member Charles Grigonis
Member Robert Douglas
David Emilita, Town Planner
Supervisor Francis J. Murphy
Councilman Joseph Townsend
Councilman Paul Stoutenburgh
Councilman James A. Schondebare
Councilwoman Jean W. Cochran
Stu Turner and Paula Gilbert from RPPW ,consultants
Supervisor Murphy opened the meeting with introductions. The Planning
Board Chairman explained that the Planning Board was finishing up
phase two of the Master Plan update. Then the Town Board could
move into phase three, which would include implementing the land
use proposals with zoning and holding public hearings on the change
of zones.
Density- The PlanningBoard recommended that the current two-acre
zoning remain in the Town, with the execption of Orient which would
contain 5 acres south of the Main Road due to the availability
of water. 'Fishers Island would have two-acre zoning on the west
end and 3 acre zoning on the east end. The Chairman stated that
the white area on the map designated as agricultural would remain
2 acrezoning, but would be open ~clustering, and there would be
mandated clustering along the bluff. The Chairman said that the
Board was recommending clustering down to ~ acre lots in order to
preserve even more open space, and to create smaller, affordable
lots in the Town. The Planning Board recommended ten-acre zoning
on Robins Island. The Chairman also pointed out that the Board
recommended keeping areas which are predominatly one-acre as one-
acre, with the exception of the Bayview area, so the Board of~Appeals
not faced with the burden of acting on numerous applications for
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variances for insufficient area due to the fact that the
surrounding lots are also one-acre. And, the Town would'not be
tagged exclusionary if this provision for small lots is made.
Hamlet Density- T he Planning Board recommened this density
in the hamlets of Mattituck, Cutchogue, Southold and Orient.
East Marion was omitted since the Board felt that this area
was currentyl very dense around the hamlet. The Density would
be 4 units per acre with public water and sewar and 2 units
per acre without. It was noted that this density was not
plotted on tee map, since ~is would be plotted by the Town
Board, if petitioned. The map does show the currenty M
zones inthe Town.
Residential Resort A- This would include low density seasonal
dwellings, ie. motels.
Proposed Sound ViewAvenue Extension- Councilman St0utenbourgh
requested that this proposed road be located close to the Sound
in order to obtain scenic overlooks. He requested that consideration
be given to the vistas that the Town can create. Mr. Orlowski
stated 'that the Planning Board is currently reviewing subdivision
plan in this area and are requesting a paper road for possible
future dedication to the Town of southold for this proposed road.
Residential Resort B- Stu Turner, from the consultant firm, explained
that this would include the same uses as Residential Resort A at
a higher density. The density would be that of the current M zone.
REsidential Office- The Board recommended that this zone be
a transition between business and residential in the hamlet.
This would permit business in large residential structures in
order to preserve them.
Hamlet Commercial- Mr. Turner explained that this zone would be
similiar to the current B and B1 zone.
General Commercial-The Chairman expained that this zone would
include uses that would be placed at locateons outside the hamlet,
for example, nurseries, wineries, and auto-oriented businesses.
Supervisor Murphy questioned if any existing or ~pecial zones
would be eliminated and Mr. Orlowski stated that the Planning
Board did not recommend eliminating any existing business zones.
Councilman Townsend expressed concern with eiisting business zoned
parcels that are vacant and may be in a poor location. Mr. turner
stated that the current buisness zones could be left in place woth
no proposed, expansion, and ~cus the proposed business zones in the
hamlets. Mr. Turner stated that there could be alot of legal
consequences in re-zoning or eliminating an existing business zone,
especially ~f the-owner has some vested interest in the property.
Mr. Ward stated that there was very little B zone in the Town that
was not developed. Mr. Turner stated that the only zone changed
was an M zone in Mattituck which is now strictly residential.
There was also discussion introduced by Mr. Goehringer, Chairman
of the Board of Appeals, regarding the wineries ~d the bed and
breakfast proposals. It was noted that there would have to ~
a seperate study on this type of business, which is expanding
throughout the Town.
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Marine Recreation- The Planning Board's recommendation for this
zone w~s for strictly marina and sporting area, as well as, existing
marinas. A restaurant could be an acessory use, however, there
could be no ship building or fish processing. The Town Board
questioned the Plock property and whether this should be zoned
marine commercial. It was noted that this was once an educational
use at one time. The Town Board did not feel this was a good site
for fish processing.
Marine Commercial- The property of ¥oung's Marina would be proposed
for Marine Commercial, as well as, the Sage Property.
Multiple zone- There would be no proposed M zones except what is
existing. The other aspect of this zone, as recommended by the Planning
Board, would be a floating M zone. The Town Board could be
petitioned for an M zone for affordable housing and then the
Town Board could consider the M zone and the location, etc. The
Housing Committee could also work with the Town Board regarding
this when a petition is presented.
Landfill Site- Industrial Zono- It : was noted that the proposed zoning
shifts the commercial zone slightly from what is existing. The Proposed
zoning indicates what is existing and what is built on. This zon'e
would be for an industrial use, a type that would be light and
non-pollutant. It was recommended by the Planning Board that the
affordable housing for youth go along with the industrial zone
in order to provide jobs. The Chairman stated, however, that
he did not wish to hold up the master plan for the housing
problem; as he felt that should be addressed in a seperate study
by a committee.
Orient hamlet- Councilman Townsend questioned why the area of Orient,
south of the Main Road, was set for five - acre zoning. He noted
that there is a water problem there, however, there are other sensitive
areas of Town that are proposed for a higher density. He also questioned
why it is omitted from the agricultural preservation zone, since there
are currently farms in the area, and some have already sold development
rights to the County Farmland Program. Mr. Ward noted that the
agricultural preservation district is really mandatory duster lng, which
couldn't be done in Orient due to the sensitive water problem. The
Planning Board Chairman noted that the Board has already aproved a
subdivision in this area with 6-10 acre lots, so it can be done.
It was noted that there is no airport~on the mad for ~ ia
The site selection for a proposed Town air~or~ ~- - -he. mgste~ ~ n.
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being prepared by a firm for the Town Board.
There was discussion on the proposed one-acre zoning in the Town.
The Planning Board Chairman explained that this is needed due to the
fact.that if no provision is made for housing by creating smaller
lots, thc plan could be called exclusionary and coulded be voided.
The Town Board felt that it might create a domino effect and more
and more acreage in the Town would be one-acre.
There was discussion with existing business zones.. The Town Board
expressed concern with existing vacant land that is currently zoned
business and wether it would be appropriate to change the zone,
if the parcel is not located in a spot that is favorable to business.
It was noted that this could involve the Town in litigation, therefor~
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it must be well researched. Mr. Turner stated that there are
approximately a dozen undeveloped business parcels in the Town.
It was recommended that the Town Attorney be 'contacted in order
to discuss the legal aspect of changing zones and the possiblity
of litigation. The formation of an Architectural Review Board
Was discussed, and it was noted that Mr. Ward was working on this
proposal. There was also discussion regaling the Planning Board's
proposal for one-zcre zoning $. of the Main Road. Stu Turner
explained that rather than having two-acre zoning in the middle
Of an area that currently has smaller lots and having lot owners
apply to the Board of Appeals, it was recommended to re-zone
those areas to one-acre zoning. By defining those areas of
one-acre, then all the lots could be conforming, to the area.
It was discussed that the basis of thw zoning must be realized,
whether it be Water conservation, traffic, or character of the
Town. There was discussion that the whole Town should remain
two-acre, with the relief being the Board of Appeals since
it was thought that be zoning some areas one-acre, a domino
theory would resuIt. The Planning'Board Chairman, however,
stressed that the plan must provide smaller lots so that
the Town is not tagged exclusionary. It was agreed, however,
that the area of Bayview would contain two-acre zoning due to
the severe drinking water problem. The idea of taking water
from under farms and transferring it to areas of Town which
need more potable water was discussed, David Emilita stated
that there is a state regulation which regulates this, and
added that the approvals of the Department of Environmental
Conservation, Department of Health, Town BOard and Public
refrendum would be needed prior to any action. He also said
that the State Environmental Quality Review Act would
have to be conducted on such a project. Mr. Mullen stated that
he worked on a report for the Town regarding condominiums, and
was now doing a report on affordable housing with private
en~rprise, which he hoped to submit to the Town Bard within
the next month. He explained that he is currently looking
into the aspects of modular homes, and felt that this might
be a good way to handle the housing. Supervisor Murphy announced
that at the next Town Board there would a resolution authorizing
a housing committee of twelve members.
Being no further discussion, the meeting adjourned at 9:30 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Diane M. Schultze, Secretary
Southold Town Planning Board