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Southold, N.Y. 11971
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PLANNING BOARD MINUTES
The Planning Board held a joint meeting with the Town Board
to discuss the revised master plan at Southold Town Hall,
Main Road, Southold on April 30, 1985 at 3:00 p.m.
Present were:
Planning Board Chairman Bennett Orlowski, Jr.
Planning Board Member G. Ritchie La,ham, Jr.
Planning Board Member William Mullen, Jr.
Planning Board Member Kenneth Edwards
Planning Board Member Richard G. Ward
Town Planner David Emilita
Supervisor Francis J. Murphy
Councilman Joseph Townsend
Councilman Paul Stoutenbourgh
Councilman Jean Cochran
Councilman/Justice Ray Edwards
Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker
Consultants Paula Gilbert and Stu Turner (RPPW)
Councilman Jay Schondebare was absent
The Planning Board presented to the Town Board the Master Plan
map which they wished to be adopted. The Chairman reviewed the
Master Plan Memorandum which summarizes all the changes. He
noted that this is the Planning Board's recommendation tothe
Town Board based upon the work of the consultants, and input
of the public. The chairman reviewed the new districts of
the proposed zoning districts. The Chairman explained that
during the Master Plan process the Planning Board has accomplished
as many goals as.possible along the way, and many items which
were of concern were addressed. One of the items was density
and this was cut with the adoption of two-acre zoning in May
1983. Most recently the Town Board has cut the density on the
existing M zones. The density question has been addressed.
The new propsed zoning districts are as follows:
Agircultural Conservation - this is the basic tW°2acre zone,
however, the Planning Board can mandate clustering to preserve
the farmland. Also, this highlights areas where priorty should
be given to preservation of farmland.
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Low Density Residential District (R-80) -These areas are mostly
South of the Main Road and they are large areas and open and
some are not good for agriculture and have water problems.
R-40 District - This is a one-acre residential zone. When the
Town changed from one acre to two acre zoning, it was noted
that some parts of Town could revert back to one acre. This
proposed district is in higher density areas, where there may
be some 3 or 5 acre lots which are surrounded by smaller lots.
Therefore, anyone subdividing these lots would be able to create
one acre lots. In this way, the Town is not being exclusionary.
Lot Density Residential R-120,R-200,and R-400 District - The R-120
includes all the East end of Fishers Island which is basically
the FIDCO land. The Planning Board adopted a FIDCO Map which
makes provisions for 3 acre lots. The R-200 District is
5 acre zoning for residential lots. This zone is South of
th Main Road in Orient, where there are severe water problems.
By going to 5 acres, the density is cut and the water problem
is somewhat alleviated. The R-400 zone is 10-acre zoning for
residential lots and this is for Robins Island. Robins Island
is a 400 acre island and it was felt that 10 acre zoning would
help preserve the land.
Hamlet Density Residential - The District will be used to
replace the existing "M" zone, and it can include various
types of residential uses, may be applied by the Town Board
upon petition only if certain criteria are satsified, particularly
provision of utilities an dproximity to hamlet centers. A
major objective of the zone and a criteria to be considered
in its application, is the provisionofmoderate cost housing.
The Chairman stated that this is the main goal of the Planing
Board. It was realized that this is the biggest problem in the
Town; as a result of all the studies conducted the major concern
is where people can afford to buy homes, especially young people
just out of college. The Chairman stated that there are currently
some proposals pending which address this at 4 units per acre.
It was also noted that although the recommended density was
four units per acre, the Board would consider increasing this
for a developer who would guarantee affordable housing.
Resort Residential District - This is new and basically the same
as the R-80 zone except that it permits low density resort,
seasonal and motel and hotel development particularly in water-
from areas consistent with the surrounding low density and
agricultural development. This can work with a clustering
type concept up on the Sound where we know that is where the
value is and it can leave more open space.
Resolrt Residential B District - This allows recreational marinas
and a higher density of residential development. This district
is intended basically for more intensively developed waterfront
areas, but does not include businesses. This proposed zone
would help the tourism trade becasue there is a limited hotel/
mot~! availability here.
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Residential Office District - This is a proposed new district
that permits professional and limited business offices in areas
that are a transition between the hamlet centers, outlying business
areas and lowdensity residential areas. Residential density
is basically one acre. In the zone, offices for doctors and
lawyers and professionals would be permitted.
Limited Business District - This is a new district and is intended
to allow very limited business activity (antique shops, wineries,
bed and breakfast, professional offices: that are appropriate
for limited outlying and low density areas. The primary prupose
of this district is to accommodate areas currently zoned for
business, but which in accordance with the Master Plan policy
are not intended to expand or be intensively developed. To do
so would create strip development and inappropriate uses in
agricultural and low density areas. It was recommended that
the zone be to limit the current B zone and keep it more in
conformance with the surrounding area. The Chairman noted
that there are undeveloped business parcels that exist and
nothing would be taken away. The Chairman pointed out that
the Board felt that the map was fair in this respect since
they did not wish this to have a negative economic impact on the
Town.
Hamlet Business District - This district is a modified version
of the present B light business zone and allows an array of business,
office, and speciality and residential uses at higher densities
(if utilities are available) in the hamlet centers. The Chairman
noted that the basic hamlet centers are in Mattituck, Cutchogue,
Southold, with a very small area in East Marion and Orient,
and Fishes Island. The Chairman explained that the uses
would include speciality and retail shopes which would be
conforming to the existing businesses.
General Commercial District This district is essentially the
present B-1 District and is intended for auto-oriented uses,
commerical uses that are more land-extensive and not as dependent
on pedestrian traffic, and commercial uses that are not
necessrily appropriate in a hamlet center. This district is applied
along major roads (basically Route 25) near the hamlets and near
the Village of Greenport.
Marine Recreation District - This in one of two special marine
districts proposed. This district is intended to encourage and
accommodate recreation-oriented marine activities in selected
waterfront locations. Motels would only be permitted by special
exception if part of a water-related development. The improtant
priority is maintaining and expanding access tothe water whether
it is prublic or generally available as a public commercial use.
This theme is also evident in the Marine Business (MB) District.
Marine Business District This is similar to the Marine Recreation
district except that it can accommodate more intensive marine
businesses such as boatyards, commercial fishing stations and
free-standing restuarants, as well as residential development
which is secondary to an dpart of a wter-related or marine
oriented use. ·
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Light Industrial Park/Office Park (LIO)and Light Industrial (LI)
Both of these are similar to the existing "C" light industrial
category. The primary distinction between the two propsed
districts is the intensity of use. The former requires larger
parcels and low coverage and is intended for industrial areas away
from the more congested hamlet areas. The Chairman clarified
that the Board was not recommending any business uses which
would pollutants. Also, many uses permitted in the General
Industrial District (c-l) area proposed to be eliminated.
The Chairman stated that the above zoning catagories are the
Planning Board's recommendation to the Town Board.
Other Changes
Special Exceptions - The draft reflects a proposed shift of
responsibility for special exceptions from the Zoning Board
of Appeals to the Planning Board. Special Exceptions generally
involve plannind decisions in that they are concerned with
land use relationships. The ZBA can focus on appeals, variances,
and matter of interpretation. The Chairman indicated that
he had discussion with the ZBA Chairman and it was felt that
this would take some workload off the Board of Appeals.
Airport - This is left in the Industrial District requiring
a 100 acre minimum site and is limited to a Basic Utility
- Stage II airport. The Chairman noted that there are no
parcels of 100 acres which are in the this zoning catagory,
therefore, it would be up to the Town Board to grant a special
exception for this use.
Shoppinq Center - As a specific use this is not included,
however, the uses that go into a shopping center are included
in the HB and B-1 districts and there is nothing specified
to prevent a shopping center. In fact, when compared to a
strip of individual stores, a shopping center is preferable
in terms of being able to limit curb cuts, achieve better
desing, etc. However, unless an incentive is provided such
as increased coverage or decreased parking or a disincentive
is included for conventional development such as requiring
very large lots, there is little reason to distinguish shopping
center as a specific use,except possibly to permit joint use
of parking, thus allowing more landscaped space.
Marine Usies in Busines Districts Since we now have proposed
a specific marine district, uses such as marinas and fishing
stations are eliminated from business districts which as a
rule will not be located on the water.
Bed and Breakfast - The Chairman explained that this use was
discussed at the Code Committee meetings. This use is proposed
in the Limited Business District applicable to structures
existing prior tothe date that zoning was in effect. They
would also be permitted in those districts that allow hotels
and motels. The ordinance could be further revised to apply
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to houses that area atleast 50 years old. This would serve
to limit its applicability and assist in preserving older
houses. The Chairman stated that the Planning Board felt
this concept was a good idea, howver, some proposals were
for more than just a bed and breakfast. It was felt that
this would limit the uses and would be mostly for tourist.
The Chairman stated that there has been considerable research
done for this type of zoning and is beneficial to preserve
the older homes on the farms.
Signs and Protection of Natural Features and Landscaping
Issues for Further Discussion:
Roadside Farmstands - The revised ordinance includes the basic
provisions of the present ordinance with some reorganization
and a limitation on products to be sold to only those grown
on the premises. The Chairman stated that this topic was
also discussed by the Code Committee at numerous meetings.
Accessory Apartments - Suggested provision for accessory apartments
as a special exception use is included in all residential
districts, with rigorous restrictions. These include owner-occupancy
of the structure, applicability to existing structures (cut
off date currently recommended to be 4/9/57). This date could
be changed to one closer to the present, such as January 1,
1984, which would still prevent the construction of new two-family
homes on smaller lots. An earlier date could be used to limit
establishment of apartments and preserve older houses.
Two-Family Houses - The current policy of allowing two-family
homes as a special exception on parcels double the size of
single family minimum is retained. However, two-family homes
would be permitted on smaller lots if water and/or sewer is
available is some districts, e.g., the Hamlet Density Residential
District, but always at twice the land area required for a
single-family house in that district. The Chairman stated
that this is one way to address the housing shortage in the
Town.
Moderate Cost/Lower Cost Housing - This is partially addressed
in (a) provision.for accessory apartments and (b) increasted
density (to four units) in Hamlet Density. It may be very
appropriate to go beyond these zoning measures to provide
housing for older and younger residents of the Town who have
incomes below Southold's median income level. E.G., local
housing and/or building codes should be chedked to determine
if modular housing can be approved since this isa potential
source of moderately priced housing. Perhaps in some cases
incentives could be used such as reduced dwelling unit size
or higher density than four units per acre.
Trailers-Mobile Homes/Mobile Home Parks This is a complex
issue, In its definition of a dwelling unit, however, the ~
Tow~-specifically excludes house trailer. Therefore, a house
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trailer cannot be put on a lot as a house. This draft does
ot include a specific change, except that in cases of natural
emergencies or construction of a building, a trailer could
be located on a site by permit of the Town Board. Tourist
camp and recreation vehicle parks are allowed byspecial exceptions
of the Town Board under Chapter 88 of the Town Code. These
house trailers are allowed in certian areas for seasonal or
recreation use. These provisions are referenced in the zonig
ordinances.
Limiting Conversions of Hotel or Motel Units A sectin in
the supplementary regulations limits conversions of hotel
units to condominium and cooperative units to location in
residential districts. There is some desire to be more restrictive,
i.e., limiting conversion in residential districts as well,
but there is also some question about whether this could
be enforced if dwelling unit livable area and density requirements
were met. The Chairman stated that this is a problem in the
Town because there are hotel conversions and there is nothing
that can be done about it.
Wineries - The draft zoning ordinance has maintained the
provision that wineries could sell wine produced from grapes
grown on the premises and added the provision that grapes
also could be grown within the Town. Wineries would be allowed
in the agricultural conservation and Low Denisty R-40, R-80,
R-120 and R-200 and R-400 Districts, as well as the Resort
Residenital A, Limited Business and General Business Districts.
The Chairman stated that the Planning Board was in favor of
the Proposed Master Plan and Ordinance and thanked the consultants
for the work they had done. The Chairman also stated that
the Planning Board was intending to adopt the land use plan
for their benefit when reviewing applications. The Chairman
stated that any changes in the zoning map and ordinance are
now up to the Town Board, however, the Planing Board was not
proposing any additional changes for the Land Use Plan.
Planning Board member William F. Mullen reported on the
work he had done regarding affordable housing. He stated
that he was currently preparing memo and report which he
would submit to the Town Board. Mr. Mullen had been reviewing
modular homes and felt that that would be a way to provide
affodable housing in the Town He projected that with
modular homes, a house could be constructed for between $60,000
andS65,000. Mr. Mullen stated that while these figures may
be low the average income in the Town is $20,000 and under.
Mr. Mullen proposed having the Town assist people in financing.
He also suggested that the Town acquire some land for people
to buy.
Planning Board Member G. Ritchie Latham stated that he was
in favor of the zoning map proposed and noted that most people
resent being told what they can and can not do with their
land, however, he wanted to see the Town be able to have some
control over the development.
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Planning Board Member Richard G Ward commented on the
hamlet density zoning in the Town. He re-iterated that
the zoning was increasing from 4 and 6 units to an acre to
2 and 4 units to an acre depending on the availability of
water and sewer. He stated that the heavy density could be
around the hamlet centers for affordable housing projects,
if petitioned.
Planning Board member Ken Edwards requested that the Supervisor
and Planning Board Chairman attend the next Fishers Island
Civic Association Meeting to present to the Fishers Island
Residents.
Bennett Orlowski, the Planning Board Chairman stated that
the Board was working on a procedure booklet and recommended
that everyone review the propoed zoning in order to become
familiar with it. He also stated that the Board and Highway
Department was working on new Highway Specifications to update
the current one. He explained that they were proposing that
money be in the budget for updating the plan every year. The
master plan is not set in stone, it is constantly changing
year to year and should be continually reviewed to make sure
that it is adequate for the Town.
Stu Turner, of Raymond, Parish, Pine and Weiner stated that
this was a great accomplishment for the Town. He felt that
there was a consensus of what was wanted in the Town as far
as growth and the goals of the community. He explained that
the next step was the conducting of public hearings for public
input.
David Emilita, Town Planner stated that the Town had a long
way and he felt that the Town could learn from the South
Fork and the expreience they have had for increased development.
At this time the floor was open for questions and discussions
from the Town Board:
Councilman Joseph Townsend commented that he felt that there
were some existing Business zones which were undeveloped
and not in appropriate areas. Richard Ward noted that
most parcels, although still vacant, had been before the
Planing Board for site plan approvals. He suggested that
these areas be zoned for Light Business. Councilman
referred to three areas in the Town which he felt would
be appropriate for light business Zones, those being:
Dalchet property, Breacknock property and the property across
the street from Porkey's restaurant. Councilman also gave
input regarding affordable housing and noted that in some
parts of the Country it is mandatory for businesses to provide
low cost housing for their employees. Mr. Mullen stated that
he had some committments from businesses in theTown who needed
housing for employees.
There were no further comments from the Town board, the members
and the Supervisor thanked the Planning Board for their input
and work. The meeting adjourned at 4:17 p.m.
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Respectfully submitted,
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~lane M. Schultze, Secretary
Southold Town Planning Board