HomeMy WebLinkAbout02/13/1986 JUDITIt T. TERRY
TOWN CLERK
REGISTRAR OF VITAL STATISTICS
OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
Town Hall, 53095 Main Road
P.O. Box 728
Southold, New York 11971
TELEPHONE
(516) 765-1801
SOUTHOLD HAMLET MEETING
Proposed Updated Master Plan and Zoning Code Revisions
Southold Town Hall
7:30 P.M., Thursday, February 13, 1986
Present:
Also
Present:
Supervisor Francis J. Murphy
Councilman Paul Stoutenburgh
Councilwoman Jean W. Cochran
Councilman George L. Penny IV
Town Clerk Judith T. Terry
Town Attorney Robert W. Tasker
Planning Board Chairman Bennett Orlowski Jr.
Planning Board Member Richard Ward
Supervisor Murphy introduced the Town Board members, Town Attorney, and Town
Clerk. He then explained the history of the current proposed updated master plan
and zoning code revisions and the purpose of the hamlet meeting, whcih is to receive
public comment and suggestions to avoid any grave mistakes should the present
proposal be submitted to a public hearing for adoption.
Approximately 125 individuals attended this meeting, and the following comments and
objections were received:
DAVID STRONG, MarineLand, Mattituck: He is upset by the wording of the Marine
Recreation and Marine Business Districts. Boat and Motor Repair and Sales are
not included in the Marine Recreation District and should be without a special exception.
Boatyard should be permitted on those districts. Every marina will be a special
exception for theiruses or go out of business.
CHRISTOPHER KELLEY, Twomey, Latham, Shea & Kelley, on behalf of Henry Weismann
and Frank Blynn, residents of Tarpon Drive, Southold: Read a prepared statement
with reference to the concern of his clients for the proposed zoning for the Conkling
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Point area of Sothold and the proposed marine business site (Southport Development).
Mr. Kelley also submitted an "Analysis and Recommendation with reference to the
Proposed Town of Southold Master Plan Update as it ~applieS to the Conkling Point
Peninsula," dated February 5, 1986, prepared by Frederick H. Reuter, AICP,
Community Planning and Zoning Consultant. Mr. Kelley recommended that the update
eliminate water-enhanced uses and intensive commercial water-related uses with a view
to maintaining and enhancing the environment and preserving the Iow density, residential
character of the Conkling Point peninsula. If any water-enhanced uses are to be
permitted, they should be severely restricted with reference to their impact and a
clear accounting provided of the land area to be put to such use. He recommended
that a land use category be provided compatible with a restricted Resort Residential'
B District. (Mr. Kelley's remarks and the Reuter report is on file in the Hamlet
Meetings file. )
INGEBORG FLYNN, Tarpon Drive, Southold: Spoke about the economic impact of the
proposed master plan. Any change affects real estate values and a massive rezoning
in Southold Town would result in a massive reassessment of the Town, which would
have a tremendous detrimental affect on the Town economically, especially on the
elderly people residing in homes which have not been reassessed for many years.
The Master ~Plan is useless unless you have studied the affect of reassessment of
the Town.
ROGER BANCROFT, Greenport: Read a prepar~ed statement on behalf of the President
of the Peconic Bay Estates Property Owners Association, Inc. and the Association
Board of Directors. They oppose the proposed zoning of the area from Kerwin
Boulevard east past Pipes Neck Road to B1, a proposal which will include heavy
industry. They wish the area to retain its present Light Business designation.
Their immediate concern involves the North Fork Welding Co., considered by them
to be an eyesore. The area is adjacent to a large wetlands area, some of the most
precious and scarce land in the world. Tourism is Southold Town's largest industry
and a cluttered entrance to an increasingly beautiful village is illogical as well as
unnecessary. They believe Article 22 should be restored to the proposed code.
(Mr. Bancroft's written comments are on file in the Hamlet Meetings file.)
LOUISE EHLERS, Mattituck: Questioned accessory apartment law with respect to
her large, old 13 room house. She is being forced out. She must live in the
house and "only charge $600 a month". Her property is on the south side of New
Suffolk Avenue, east of the Tolendal Inn. The senior citizens need help.
JOHN WICKHAM, Cutchogue: Two years ago he stated to the Town Board he favored
two acre zoning, but there must be some trade-offs. There have been some trade-offs,
the Town has bought some development rights and is doing something with the agri-
cultural land. He is distressed that the proposed maps do not show where lands have
been protected, where the water table has been protected. Mr. Wickham reiterated
his'remarks made at the Cutchogue hamlet meeting with respect to one acre zoning
along the Sound and Bay-front, with a second tier of one acre lots with water view.
This proposal would provide a higher sale value for those properties, which would
increase the assessment for the Town. Two acre zoning in those areas is poor planning
and poor business for the Town. He spoke to Dr. Koppelman, Director of the Suffolk
County Department of Planning, and he agreed completely.
JEAN TIEDKE, Southold, member of the RPPW Workshop: Commended amendments
to Article I, but those added purposes of town development tend to be obscured by
a certain wordiness in the Code, and particularly by the extraordinary number of
special exceptions, duplications and near-duplications, and the incredible map. Mrs.
Tiedke read a prepared statement (on file in the Hamlet Meetings file) referring to
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Articles 5 and 6, Articles 11 and 12, Article 8, 13, 14. The RPPW Land Use Map,
dated August 1983, proposed certain'additions to recreation and open space in the
Town, there is no public recreation area on the latest map and existing public
recreation areas are notleven identified. Overlays of the map should have been
prepared indicating wetlands, marshes, high and Iow tidal zones, 100 year storm
tides, elevations and fresh ponds and marshes. Swimming pools should not be
permitted unless processed as a special exception, with pools near the shoreline
perhaps required to contain salt water and not fresh water. The plan should ban
dug canals, extensions of canals, or dredging to enlarge natural creeks such as the
long thin arms of Richmond Creek, a cause of excessive groundwater loss. Mrs.
Tiedke!s prepared statement contained a list of words for inclusion in the definitions.
ALBERT DINIZIO, Greenport: Owner of a service station at the northwest corner
of Route 48 and Wickham Avenue, Mattituck, where the zoning classification is'to
be changed from B1 to RO. He has been at that location for 19 years. This is his
only source of income in future retirement. He is opposed to the proposal which
would present a financial hardship on him and his family in years to come.
JOSEPH LIZEWSKI, Cutchogue: Opposed to the zoning of a parcel of property which
head zoned business four years ago and given permission through B1 zoning to build
a professional building and extend it into a small health club complex. According to
the proposed map this parcel is now to be R40, which means the property he now
has has lost tremendous value, and will decrease the possibility of selling it or
expanding it. He envisions many legal suits against the Town due to the change of
business property to other incompatable zones.
JOHN COSTELLO, Greenport: The proposed map should have been put in the news-
paper and explained to the people how it will affect them. His 48 acre parcel near
Greenport, which was recently zoned to "M" is now shown as one acre, adjoining a
hamlet density. Further east there is a hamlet density which doesn't attach to any
hamlet - Brecknock Hall. A better effort should be made to notify summer residents
and the businesses ~that want to expand. There are no areas provided for waterfront
business, North Fork Welding business which is a necessity to the Town and other
types of businesses which wish to relocate in order to expand.
BILL PENNY, owner of Tidy Car, corner of Youngs Avenue and North Road, Southold:
His present zoning is Business and the proposal is LB which would make his business
non-conforming. On the color-coded map there only appears to be about six parcels
of B1 land. He does not understand how the community can survive with only six
small parcels of business zoned property.
DOMINIC PRINCIPI: Owner of business property on Route 48, Mattituck, which is
proposed to be changed to R80. Has owned the property since 1964 and it going to
be devaluated. Feels this is unconstitutional.
AL PIETREWICZ, Cutchogue: Own 13 acres on northwest corner of Cox Lane and
Route 48, eight acres of which are zoned industrial; requested Board to change this
entire parcel to industrial.
STANLEY KRUPSKI: Owner of land northwest of the Landfill Area. Requested proposed
zone be changed from agricultural to light industry. Owner of land and a building at
Pauls Lane and the railroad in Peconic, presently zoned light business and would llke
it changed to light industry. Owner of a farm on the southerly side of the road
opposite the Landfill Area and would like it changed from agricultural to light industry.
Owner of land west of Duck Pond Road along the Sound where a road is proposed and
they are opposed to the road as it would cut through his property and ower the value.
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ALBERT LATSON, Southold: The zoning extends the Village Market south about
25 feet on to his land. The Village Market is commercial. His land south of that
is residential. Why has this boundary line been moved after all these years? He
lives on Town Creek and it is proposed that the boatyard at the head of Town Creek
is going to be changed to a motel area. Our creeks are very small and shallow and
we don't need a motel at the head of Town Creek.
JEANNE MARRINER, President, League of Women Voters, Town of $outhold; resident
of Mattituck: Read a prepared statement which is on file in the Hamlet Meetings file.
Reiterated the need for changing proposed Articles 11 and 12 and reinsertion of Article
22 and set standards for protecting the natural features of Southold Town. Reminded
the Board of the lack of publicity for the hamlet meetings. Reminded the elected and
appointed officials they are responsible to all voters and taxpayers in Southold Town,
not just a special few. The League believes it is most important they enact the proper
rules and regulations for the orderly growth and development, laws which are interpreted
in the most conservative and careful manner by all town officials. She reviewed responses
to the 1981 League questionnaire which asked: "How would you like the Town of Southold
to look in the year 20017"
HENRY P. SMITH, Southold: Protested the proposed zone change of his property
on the south side of Route 25 at Willow Hill, Southold. Presently Business, proposed
to be LB, as is the Chevron gas station, Hart Hardware and other business in the
immediate area. Requested return to Blo
ELLEN HUFE, Southold: Owner of business property at Route 48 - Future Marine
Products. Proposed to be changed from B1 to LB and the proposal is totally unjust
and unfair. The same problem exists with her property on the northeast corner of
Route 48 and Youngs Avenue. Mrs. Hufe read the permitted uses in a LB District.
Also most all of the businesses along the CR48 corridor would not be permitted in
the proposed LB District. This will economically destroy or hamper many of the local
businessmen, who have been providing jobs and/or services to the l~lorth Fork for
many, many years.
WANDA SENKO: Owner of a parcel of business property at the intersection of Route
25 and Ackerly Pond Road which is proposed to be changed to LB. Protested the
change.
DONALD GRIMM, Southold.' Is in contract for a parcel of property which is presently
Cl and is proposed to be changed to LIO opposite the Landfill. Requested Cl be
restored to that property. Heavy industrial should be in the area of the Landfill,
homes will not be built there.
VERA REGAN, Horton Lane, Southold: Requested clarification of an article in The
Suffolk Times with respect to a proposed industrial park on Horton Lane (Jim Gray
property on the northerly side of the railroad tracks, easterly side of Horton Lane).
The Board should be careful about approving industry without knowing what the
industrial use will be.
PATRICIA BAILEY, Cutchogue: Owner of property on Route 25 and Skunk Lane.
It was B1 and proposed to be LB. Has been paying taxes on the property for 20
years as B1 and protested the proposed change.
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JOHN NICKLES, East Main Road, Southold: Representing Louis Barnett whose property
is adjacent to LaGazelle and whose property has been business since the inception of
zoning and the proposal is to change the designation to RO. Protested on Mr. Barnett's
behalf. Asked if there is time to submit written objections to various problems? (Super-
visor Murphy advised there is sufficient time while the Board reviews--at least two to
three weeks.) Also represented Grace Lewis who owns property opposite Mr. Barnett
whoseproperty was rezoned business in 1962 and now designated RO. It is a diminish-
ment of the use of the property which also diminishes the value. Mr. Nickles (a former
Councilman) assured the audience the Town Board is earnest and the Planning Board is
earnest and a lot of effort has gone into the proposed plan. There are problems, but
although it sounds from the comments as if the Town is about to fall apart, quite the
contrary, the Town is going to be fine and the Boards will do their u~tmost to make
Southold Town the way it should be and has been and they are listening with open
minds to what is being said.
RUSSELL E. MANN, Main Road, Southold: The map indicates the area on the Main
Road, running from the American Legion south to Ackerly Pond Road, and across the
street from the Legion from the Universalist Church south to Hart Hardware--a thoroughly
developed area of residences and a few small business--would become R40 from the
present 2 acre zoning. Mr. Mann also spoke about multiple dwellings of 8 to 12 units
per acre, which will harm the already fragile water supply. Requested the Board to
reconsider the down zoning.
WILLIAM BEEBE, Cutchogue: Owner of a parcel of land in Cutchogue between Alvahs
Lane and Depot Lane which abutts one acre zoning on one end and Seacroft (HD) on
another. He requested his 30 acres be reclassified to one acre zoning. Cutchogue
needs some one acre lots.
FRED MORITT, Cutchogue: (Former Assemblyman, Senator, Judge) Article 7 is
repealed and new Article 7 is added in its place. After listening to the people speak
it is his opinion from B1 to RO is confiscatory and a crude violation and repugnant
to the State and Federal Constitution which states no property shall be taken without
due process. Section 100-70, Purpose, seems to be in conflict. No Town Board,
Planning Board, regulatory agency can in any way take away from any citizen any
portion of his property.
RICHARD WILTON, representing Greenport-Southold Chamber of Commerce: Read a
letter signed by Bobra Wetormore, President on behalf of the Board of Directors,
which states the proposed amendments and map are poorly drafted and in an un-
professional manner. It will negatively affect the economy. There are omissions,
inconsistencies and errors throughout.
HAROLD REESE, developer in the Town of Southold for the past 20 years: Owner of
a parcel of property of 50 acres on the south side of Route 25, east of Chapel Lane,
Greenport, which he purchased 20 years ago and which was zoned industrial, and
later rezoned to business. The proposed new zoning is LIO,; but the size of the lots
for such a district is 3 acres. Three acres is too much land, unrealistic, unaffordable
for the average businessman for an industrial-type project. Requested the Board to
reconsider the zoning and give consideration to small businesspeople.
JERRY GRALTON, Southold Floor Covering, North Road, Southold:
business there for 13 years and the proposal is to change it to LB.
B1 zoning designation.
Has been in
Requested
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DONALD SPATES, owner of Hart Hardware, south side Route 25, Southold: Fears
financial impact on himself by the zoning change from business to LB on his property.
Suggested more information be made to those who may be affected by zoning changes,
and committees formed to oversee diverse general areas of use and be responsible for
receiving public lobbying for those areas.
JOHN SKABRY, Henrys Lane, Peconic: Consideration should be given to the people
that work on the North Fork that are employed by people that own commercial and
business property. The grandfather clause will not grandfather a job. Protested
motel zoning (RR) in different scattered spots, including the one at the end of
Henrys Lane. Also concerned about the strip zone of R-80 between Peconic and
Mattituck along the Sound bluff. This will encourage the building of a new thorough-
fare along the Sound-front and will quickly encourage the development of that land,
causing heavy traffic on the roads that feed that area. The Town should do more to
encourage the farmland and open space. Does not see anything on the maps as far
as recreation for working class people, which he favors and recommends to the Board.
FRED SCHOENSTEIN, partner in North Fork Welding: Feels the new proposed building
on Route 25, east of Bay Shore Road, will improve the appearance of the property.
They provide services needed in the community to the public, as well as: Southold
Highway Department, Southold Town Police, Southold/Greenport/East Marion/Orient
Fire Departments, Plum Island, Eastern Long Island Hospital, local lumberyards,
dockbuilders, boatyards and Shelter Island ferries, contractors, excavators, as well
as a commercial fishing fleet. With their new building they will be able to perform
their services more efficiently and feel most people are in favor of their new building
because it will approve the appearance of the property and surroundings. They
wish to be zoned Light Industrial.
RUDOLPH BRUER, Attorney, Southold: He has studied the map and thinks the Town
Board is wrong with respect to the Limited Business zoning they propose on Route 25
and on Route 48 where they have not taken into consideration the existing uses and
buildings and properties that are there. To ignore what is there is wrong.
JEAN TIEDKE: She is going to send the Board some further items she wishes to
call to their attention, one of which is the north side of Route 48, Southold. She
feels this is an ideal place to develop another 500 acres on the north side of the
road as an industrial zone or light industry or business, near the Town where people
don't have to commute 20 miles to their jobs. Should get off of the strip-zoning for
business.
Supervisor Murphy thanked everyone for coming out and emphasized that the purpose
of the hamlet meetings is to receive input from the people to the Town Board. They
are interested in how they feel. They welcome further input. They have tried to
come up with a plan that is fair for everyone in the Town and provide for future
growth.
Meeting adjourned at 9:30 P.M.
Southold Town Clerk
LEAGUE OF
WOMEN VOTERS
OF RIVERHEAD/SOUTHOLD
$0UTHOLD MASTER ~LAN ING February ~ 198~
LEAGUE OF' WOMEN VOTERS OF' RIVERHEAD!SOUTHOLD
~ am ~eanne F~arriner, President o£ the League of Wor~n Voters.
I's like to thank ~he Southold Town Board for allowing the League to comment
on the ~ter plan and proposed zoning changes in Orient, Mattituok, Cut-
chog~-e, at the work session and again tonight.
The League hopes we ha~ pe~rsuaded the Board of the need for changing the
proposed Articles 11 and 12 which deal with our frag~ile water situation_
on the l~orth Fork, We also hope the Board will re-insert Article 22
and set s~a~ndards for proteotin9 the natural features of $outhold Town
that will enable all our town boards to interpret wisely when rendering
decisions involving these features.
Again we rem~nd you of ~he lack of publicity for the hamlet meet/n~s, and
urge that you send public service anaoun~ements to all the papers ~nd rad/o
stations in addition to the legal ~otioes, when you schedule ~he public
hearings on the Master Plan ~ld Zoning Law~ and ~ any f~ture meetings
that affect ~he entire Town.
The League would like to direct the next remarks to all Town Officials -
elected and appointed~
We realize you are under attack by developers and business eelf-interest.
But- weyou te
The League believes it is most impor~ant that you enact the
proper rules and r~gulations for the orderly growth and development of
this ~/qt~ place ~hat is S~tt~l~d Tow~.
Not only do we ask that y~l enact %he proper laws, but we also a~k that
all town. ~f~oi&ls en oux T~wn wiX1 ~t he das~xoyod.
The League believes it takes a special kin~ o~ ~s~on ~ a s~al k~d
of p~lio official ~ foresee ~e ~ut~ ~d ~ ~rk
~alit~ ~f life ~at ~ ~jority of Sou~ld ~
~d ~velo~, ~, bu2 no~ for ~ ~nefit o~ a few et ~ e~ense
of m~
~ 1981, tO ~lp ~ ~ B~ ~d ~e Piing
i.~.~ter Pl~l, ~e L~.ag~!u did a s~y ~ ~r~e wi~ ~iu~ & ~r
5ou~oi~ ~ ~k ~ ~ ye~ 20017 A ~ry high
outli:~.ec,~. ~%e ~ant~ ...... ~'~'i ne~=ds- of Sou~old To:~a% resi~onts for th~ future.
p~lished ~ ~e pa~rs. ~ a ~lder, i s~uid
nee6.s an(( %,~ts in brief~
historic si~s ~,~ ~c~ic view{.
3. Busines~ d~v~lop~t in ~as o[ agri~l~ure, co~r~al ~ish~ng,
light, non-~lluting indu~tr~ - d~v~lo~ ~o ~
4. I~ovati~ housing ~d affford~le ~usin~ wi~ o~n space con,pts.
natu~ tra~ls, beao~s ~ ~is
6. ~cycling =~d Lnnovativ~ w~te ma~age~ont
of local g~e~t ~ ~t ~r frenzy ~
pr~t ~d fu=~ plus for ~e ~ w~ f~2
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This was our Southold Town residents wish list in 1981. How are we doing
in 1986 and where will we be in 2,00177
There are many ways we can insure economic vitality and improve the aesthetiz5
of Southold Town without ~estroying its unique character. We can take tke
~astsr Plan~ and oux citizen wis~ list as a g~i~e~ enact proper protective
zoning laws~ intsrprel these laws wisely, set priorities and goals
object, yes for th~ next 15 years and go forward.
Or - we can turn our backs on the needs and wants of the majority of our
citizens and address ~he needs of a few selfish interests.
This is the challenge for Town Officials -and in fact, for all of us in~
Southold T~wn. We are at the crossroads. Which path shall we take?
STATRMENT FOR CUTCHOGUE MEETING ON ZONING 2/6/86
LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS OF RIVERHEAD/SOUTHOLD
I am Linda Fletcher of New Suffolk, speaking for the League of
Women Voters. At the m~etings in Mattituck and Orient last week, the
League applauded the Town Board for completing the Southold Town Master
Plan update. And we asked that the Plan be used as a guide by our Town
officials so that they keep uppermost in mind our unique, fragile natural
features when considering development in the hamlets of Southold Town.
The Master Plan is, a guide for zoning but it appears that Town official~
have not always followed the guide in thsir proposed changes for the
Zoning Code. We refer to a statement in the Master Plan that says "marinas
should he encouraged where they do not negatively impact on residential
neighborhoods or natural environments."
The League believes that the uses permitted in the proposed new amendments
11 and 12, including special exceptions and accessory uses, will nave
negative ~mpact on both residents and our fragile creek and coastal waters.
The League requests that proposed amendments 11 and 12 be deleted and new
amendments be developed as rapidly as posslble that are more in keeping
with sensitive waterfront areas. We suggest that you draw on the expertise
CO~t~£v~T,~
o£ the $o~thold Town~dv~sory Council and others to formulate these new
amendments that will permit uses of the waterfront to meet citizen needs
without threatening our fresh water supply and our creek and coastal waters.
To substantiate our request, we submit the following:
1) A quote from a speech by a Southold Town Official given at a League
forum in January/ 1983~ ~The National Water Resources Council states that
our region is one of the eleven most critical water problem areas in the
nation. .Salt water encroachment diminishes our groundwater supply .
Zoning controls and land use ordinances need revision to permit protection
of sensitive areas."
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2. A January, 198~ letter to a Town official from the Coastal Resources
specialist with the N.Y. Department of State expressed concern about the
protection of coastal resources and raised questions about the extent of
the Marine expansion on the North Fork, citing the proposed development
for Young~s boatyard in Southold as an example. He would undoubtedly
express the same concern about the proposed rezoning of New Suffolk to
Marine Business and resort recreation.
3. The present condition of the Village of Greenport's water syste T~
Suffolk County Health Department says that new development could subject
residents to serious, problems with water supply and indeed in providing
enough water for fire protection -~ and that could happen to New Suffolk,too
with over deVelopment~ and to other sensitive areas throughout the Town.
The League belieVes that we can prevent problems if our zoning laws are
carefully constructed and such is not the case with proposed Article 11
and 12.
To fully protect our ground water supply and our~natural resources, we
again ask tkat proposed Article 22 which, addressed the protection of our
natural features ~ and which was deleted - be returned to the new
zoning amendments.
May ! also reaffirm the League's offer to assist in holding informational
meetings for the public on the proposed zoning amendments. The League
believes our citizens have th~ right to know about what is being proposed
for ~ each hamle~ in our ToWn.~
Thank you fo~ allowing me to comment.
I ~m y Slb°m of ~at~Ltuak, 81Mmk~ag for tho League of ~omen Vo~ora
regarding the effect of the MaI~ PII~ ~.~d ~ ~ ~ontng law ~-
~tl on ~e ~et of ~~
Tho League applauds the oog~le~Lo~ of ~i8 Mao~or PLeA update. Tho Plan
is · well-def~nod blue print for orderly deealopuawt of the heniete in
Southold Township,
goad of the proposed amendments do not agree wL~h the purpose of the Master
Plan - TO PRBSHRVB AHD B~HA~CB OUR BC~I~IiXC BASB OF AGRICULTURE AHD
CO~J~ZAL FISHING AND THB__(~LZTY OF LZFB OM THR ~ORTH FORK.
~o believe that new regulations should oom~ly wl~b the intent of the MASTER
PLAN. Such is not the sase with the proposed seeing anendnauts dealing
with our fragile creeks and coastal waters. We f~ud ~he proposals for
waterfront usage in Marine Recreation sonod areas lo~a~od on creeks
ex~emoly detrimental ~o the quality of our fresh water supply and alas
to our coastal waters. WE STRONGLY OBJECT TO MARINA COMPLEXES SITED ON
CP~BKS THAT INCLUDE: resort hotels .or motels, wlm~ng pools, retail
stores, restaurant8, showers, bathrooms and laundromat facilities. Such
uses will result in overpumping of our water supply and lead to salt water
int~usion in the wells of the my all-~ear round and seasonal hms already
sited on the crooks creeks in close proxinity to the proposed marine
recreation zoning. ~hile we recognize the need for docking apa~es for
recreational boats, particularly for those residents who live inland, we
f~nd tho proposals for marine recreation zonings? be a complete "give-
away to developers at the expense of long-tiros ~esidents and taxpa~rs.
Through the years, by [~rmitting variances and special exceptions, Town
officl&ll have aLLowed expanlion of ~XI nat=o on ~ttituck Inlet ~ ~
~~ of ~a~ cro~. ~d now ~~lo ~ ~otion lush i~a~blo
usage on o~ ~re ~rag~le areas. W~e ~ot dis~s~ T~ ~a~
~ p~lie Input ~ore ~u enact ~y l~s ~t a~t ~ ~'o vaMrf~*
oppor~unity to St.
Th4 league also ureas ~ tJUSLusL41, Of ~ ~-t:Lole 22 ~ ~ son~g
~" ~ v~ ~le~, ~ ~e~s~, ~ ~G~ Of OUr na~aX
~eso~s ~s ~o~ud~ ~ v~L~e o~ ~ o~ ~ ~g C~. ~ ~nside~
~l ~ 's~t~ XnoXusX~ ~, ~ ~ XI ~ ~~ ~ ozde~Xy d~eXo~
~t ~ "w~t" ~n~g. ~ ~t ~t ~ f~g ~ ~lio of~Xoinlo
lie rooognise that muah effort mt 4Rte emending W sou/ag regulations.
Hoverer, w ~NX ~ of ~t effort w~ ~id~_ b --~
~u~ info~l Met~ga ~ ~t exam ~t ~ ~ p~
~~ot ~n mthgs. ~ o~tX~s ~ a EXght ~ M - ~ Xa~'s
X~ ~d ~z~ps ~uqh ~ X~aX ~Xa - ~t ~N p~ zon~g
~ ~ ~y t~payors who wXXX ~ affeo~ by ~e C~gll. HoXdXng
~ur Me.rigs du~ing ~%e ~k in ~e ~ddge of t~ wingz a~ d~s not
give oGz ~y seasonal tupa~rs a cA~oo to ~e~s~ vhat
nd ip~d of~ioial8 ~o pEo~s~nq fo~ the future of ~ Xorth Fo~k.
~y of our .~r rosiest, pl~ ~ live aX1 Meat ro~d here Xn ~e ~u~re
~d aa ~yers, ~ey should ~ giv~ ~aXdera~Xon.
~ld ~ il ~der a~Ok by de.lo.rs ~ business
~loll our ~ o~Jiolalo ~ac~ ~d ~rpre~ our ~les ~d re~la~ons
~ ~ ~n~a~ivo ~d oareful ~er - Sou~ld'l oh~ac~ al ~ ~ow
X~ ~ w~ i~ ~ ~ - will s~n ~ destroyed.
we reeogntse and l. aud tbs at~ ~ ~vI ~ iums ~o pzeaem
~ llhll(I o~: Jootoita ~ Of IJt~ll~Jllt lid JllltleL'1 fLlh~lg, lid
our QU&LX~r OF LZ~B. TM ~an md tho pmpooed mining ahangee mm vel.1-
de£inod bXumprtnU for tho ordmrZy &iw~osmt of IomthoXd Tovu.
The Loague uz~m ~ ~o~ ~t ~ ~i~ of tho ~m
aIndmmU to the $~ ~. ~ ~a~%az%ymt ~ ~ ~t ~
mAng prooemi,
Under ~o~e Z, sea,ion ~00-~0 - POIt-°OOB O~ I~ ~ ~
~der ~icle X, Seo~on 100-10, ~ ~ ~u ~ ~t al~ ~
foll~A~ ~tAons ~ o~n as
X. ~ p~on of ~e s~surfa~ ~ vaMr ou~ly ~ o~f~ va~
The League ooaoiders it vital ~o aired Section X00-ll by adding lUbdivilion
Ii pazamount tn ~eiolving tn~e~pEetatAoni and/or
ProMotion O£ NatuEal Fea~oI of the Torn.q ThAi new azttoXe vas
impoFt~nt and we would like ~he opportunity to I~ fi O~
fOr pFotm~cing our vatmr resouroef - both gzoundvator supply fid
ooutil wito:8 - vhln vt have had a ahanoe to review ArtAoXo XXXX.
are mow mvmXLmb~ for ozdomXy dml~mm4 and .~bo ~m~ of
SOUTHOLD HAMLET - TOWN CODE MEETING
Feb./~, 1986
The lengthy zoning code and th$ revised zoning map
for our Town. required a sustained effort that boggles the
mind! The amendments to Article I are commendable maximum
protection of residential and historic areas, enhancement of the
appearance of the Town - particularly its open and rural en-
vironment, protection of subsurface and surface waters,- and
protection and enhancement of the coastal environment. These
added purposes of town development, however, tend to be
obscured by a certain wordiness in the Code, and particularly
by. the extraordinary number of Special Exceptions, by some
duplications md near-duplications, and the incredible map.
!
Articles 5 and 8: Resort Residential~ A and B
There appear to be only l0 or 12 small areas which fall
into this zoning category, well scattered throughout the Town.
These two Articles could be cbmbined; better yet, grandfather
these small areas and delete both Articles.
Articles 11 and 12: Marine Recreation and Marine Business
To enhance and protect our coastal environment, the bays,
creeks and inland waterways must be ~iven very close attention
durinK thk planning for any and all uses. Article ll permits
the sale of fuel and oil in waterways and creeks but does
not indicate that the only logical location for such an enter-
prise is at or near the outer end of such waterways where
tidal action would help tokeep that waterway clean..
There is no mention of pump-out stations for transient
or moored boats.
The proposed variety of endeavors on inland waterways
and coastal areas suggests that a Miami-type of shoreline is
just over the horizon.
Both Article ll and Article 12 should be ~e=w~itten, keepin~
all the interests of all the residents in mind,including the
need for some open space On waterfronts and'public access to
waterways. Inland waterways are in need of very strict pro-
tection, as.the Mill Creek shellfish contamination suggests.
Article 8, Article 13, Article 14
Limited Business District - LB
Light Industrial Park/Planned Office Park - LI0
Light Industrial District - LI
Article ~ to permit limited business along highway
corridors could quickly get out of hand, if it indded is not
already a blight. RPP~ vigorously warned against strip zoning
along our corridors. Raymond and May, back in the early 1970's
gave a similar warning. The Town has permitted development
along Rte 48, r~rth of Southold hamle~ but has not required the
other half of the professional planners' recommendations - that
a service road be put in to prevent each and e~ery office or
commercial establishment having its owndriveway,
On the north side of Rte 48, two new commercial buildings
have been erected within the ~ast year. But the zoning for
most of the land north of that narrow business/commercial strip (LB)
is mostly A-C. If a strip to a depth of 500 feet - 800 feet -
were added, a light industrial/office park could be nicely
accommodated, near a highway, and near the hamlet but reducing
the possibility of blighting our highways with more strip de-
velopment, and appears to fit the purpose in Article I, sec. l0 G.
The distinction between a light industrial,planned office
par~and Article 14, light industrial park ~eems quite ari-
trary. Combining Articles~ 8,13 &14. iuto one might be beneficial.
Planned parks,as these two Articles suggest, can be a real
asset to our communities. Problems similar to Rte 48 in Southold
are already developing in Cutchogue along Rte 25 and will con-
tinue to increase without immediate steps to
kommercial and office use off the main road~.
l0 D on traffic applies.
create areas for
Article I, sec.
An ideal plaace to locate such planned business/industrial
parks might be at the outer circle of the concentric circular
planning for each hamletthat Alice Hussie suggested.
THE ZONING MAP
In the fall of 1981, the League of Women Voters' Survey
of Town residents asked what should be preserved or prgtected
in our Town's environment. In this multiple choice question
wetlands, woodlands, open space and scenic views were all con-
sidered as '~ery important' There was overwhelming support
for preserving what we have. (O. # VI)
That same survey asked how best to use the shoreline. Out
of 12 categories, the largest response was for nature preserves,
followed by parks & recreation, limited development in all
categories, access to fishing areas, and public beaches. Ranked
at the bottom were industry, multiple housing,business and com-
mercial development.~ (0. # XVI) ........
The RPPW Land Use Map, dated August 1983, proposed the
following additions to recreation and open space in the Town:
- The NIg corner fronting on Dam Pond and L.I.Sound -This is
Now zoned R-80 on the Proposed Zoning Map
- Pipes Cove, East side of Inlet - now zoned R-80
- Arshamomoque Pond, NW side now zoned R-80
- NE side of Great Hog Neck, near end - now zoned R-40
- East from County Park, Goldsmith's Inlet - now zoned R-80
- West side, Downs Creek - now zoned A-C
There is no new public reareation area on our latest zoning
map and existing public recreation areas are not even identified.
I understand that parks and recreation areas for public use do
not have to be considered in a zoning code. It would have been
helpful, mnethelsss, to have existing public and semi-public
recreation areas identified on the zoning map, which is really
a land use map, as the RPPW designation suggests. As it stands,
the zoning map puts great emphasis on commercial recreational
areas - marinas, motels, etc. - which cater to the summer popu-
lation. The permanent residents appear to be ignored,
bu~ if the use of road ends to get to beaches increases, the
Town will have increased problems confronting it. Parking will
be a problem, safety will be a problem, complaints from nearby
residents will be a problem. If road ends are sealed off,
complaints from the permanent residents will be a problem.
SPECIAL PROBLE~.
'Groumdwater protection is no doubt our number one concern.
Mad the zoning map been prepared with the aid of overlays,
have
a groundwater contour mapwould perhaps/changed the manner in
which zoning has been applied, as would a soils map.
Likewise, an overlay indicating wetlands, marshes, high
and low tidal zones, 100 year storm tides, elevations, and fresh ~
ponds and marshes, placed on top of a~oundwater overlay map,
would also provide the kind of refined detail which the
existing zoning map cannot indicate,and does not adequately
consider. Bluffs could be identified on the same overlay.
Swimming pools are generally allowed only with a special
exception. Considering the fact that swimming pools need not
only water but also chemicals for sanitary reasons,~o pool
should be permitted without being processed as a special
exception cleared by the Town Board or the Plannlng~ Board
in conjunction with the CAC. Perhaps pools near the shoreline
should be required to contain salt water, not fresh water.
The example of salt intrusion into an East Marion well.
owned by the Greenport Water Plant~, which resulted from a dug
canal nearby3should be enough to persuade you to include an
absolute ban on dug canals, extensions of canals, or
dredging to enlarge natural creeks such as the long thin
arm of Richmond Creek. Along with salt intrusion, an ex-
cessive amount of groundwater loss can also occur with digging
smd dredging in coastal areas.
POPULATION
My first reaction on reading the proposed zoning code
was that it was more suitable £or a Town o£ perhaps 100,0~0
permanent population. But there is no clue as to what the
Town is considering for a target population in the year
2001, for example. The Master Plan Update, May 1984, by
RPPW, states that we can expect about 25% more permanent
population by 1995 and an increase of 110% of that number
~n summer population. That is only 9 years away.
Based on a 20,000 population in 1985, my very casual
arithmetic indicates a permanent population~_o£ about 25 or
26 thousand and a total population in the summertime of
How much can our
52 to 54 thousand in 1995. And in 20017
limited end fragile aquifer support?
SOUTHOLD TOWN ZONING CODE
ART. I, Sec. 100-13 Definitions
The nes list of definitions is a vast improvement over
the earlier list. I recommend that the following list We con-
sidered, also. Many of these words appear in theAKoning Code
and the others will be encountered in dealings with the various
Town Boards and offices, and in RPPW documents.
Bluff
Coastal Zone
Coastal Zone Management
Common open space
~ontours
Creeks
Dunes
Erosion hazard areas
Escarpment
Estuary
Flood Plain
Insurance
Groundwater (see subsurface
water supply)
High water table
Historic District (Area)
Historic Landmark
Marsh, fresh water
Marsh, salt water
Recharge area
Recreation facility-public
Or semio, public
Salt intrusion
Scenic vistas
Setback.
Soil erosion
Soil permeability
Steep slope
Surface waters
(1)
Subsurface water supply
Tidal marsh
Tidal mstland
Transient
Vernal ponds
Waterfront
Water quality
Waterways
Water table.
Wetlands, fresh
Wetlands, salt
Woodlands
(1) No public recreation areas
are identified on zoning map.
* SURVEY FOR THE EA 2
. TOWN OF SOUTHOLD * II
SUFFOLK COUNTY, NEW YORK
DEAR RESIDENT OF SOUTHOLD TOWN:
* SPONSORED BY THE *
. LEAGUE. OF wOmEN VOTERS' .
OF RIVERHEAD-SOUTHOLD
How would you like the Town of Southold to look in the year 20017
That's only 20 years away! Where do we want to 9o? How are we to 9et
there?
The League of Women Voters has prepared this questionnaire to
help the Town of Southold in its effort to update the Town's master
Plan, which was adopted in 1971. Your responses will be tabulated
and turned over to the Southold Town 8card and to the Planning Board
for their consideration in revisin9 the master Plan which is a broad
picture of the future of a Town.
There are opportunities and problems ahead. As the Town grows,
many pressures will develop: Where should we put new homes or business
establishments? What do we think about our natural resources? What
can we do about the quality and quantity of our limited underground
water supply which relies totally on rainfall for recharge?
We believe that your responses will be of value to the Town
Board and Town Planning Board and we look forward to your replies.
The last question is set aside for your additional comment. Please
return the form, preaddressed and stamped for your convenience, by
October 30, if possible. Simply fold the form so our return address
shows, and tape it together. If you wish to remain anonymous, please
black out your name and address.
Thank you for your interest, your patience, and your cooperation.
October, 1981
Shirley L. Bachrach, President
L.W.V. of Riverhead-8outhcld
I. PI. EASE PROVIDE T]~ FOLLOWING INFOR~IATION:
1o Your local Post Office zip code
2o Your age and sex: Ao18-35 ~l B.36-60
3, Check whether: AoSeasonal resident
4°
Your occupation:
AoAgriculture related
B,Construction related
CoEducation
DoGeneral business
E.Government employee
F°Marine-related
business
G.Professional
HoReal Estate
I.Retired
J°If retired, check former
occupation also
K°Other
II. NOW YUCII DEVELOPMENT WOULD YOU REC0~END IN TI~ FOLLOWING AILEAS?
(Check Column A, B, C or D for each item)
A.Large B.Moderate CoLittle D°Don't know
1. A~riculture or related (1) 7~ (1) ¢Z (1)
business
2o Co.ercial fishing I~/~ (2) ~7- (~) ~0
S, Discos and nightclubs (3/ lO
5, Light industry
6, YiscelIaneous business ~ }7~
7, Motels, BoateZs~ ho~eZs ~ {7), 7
8. Other ~MN~r5
III. DO
YOU FAVOR A FARM PRESERVATION PROGRAM?
1o State agricultural districts
2. Suffolk County program
3. Town sponsored program
4. No program
5. Don't know
6. Other ~O~T~ - I~'
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IV. WH~T TYPE(S) OF HOUSING DO YOU REC0~END IN YOUR OWN C0MI~NITY ~ IN THE
TOWN OF SOUTHOLD? (~ultiple choice -check both columns)
A.Your Con.unity
18 Other
1. Condominiu~s
2. Convert larger homes to apartments
9. Mobile home parks
4. Mobile homes on standard lots
5, Modular housing
6, Rental housing
?. Senior Citizen housing
8, Single family houses
9. Some large apartment buildings
10. Some small apartment buildings
11. None of the above
12. Don't know
Vo SROULD THE TOWN OFFER SPECIAL TAX INCENTIVES TO ATTRACT APPROPRIATE
YEAR-ROUND BUSINESS AND LIGHT INDUSTRY?
A.Yes 7q
No-
B°Possibly .,.~ CoNo opinion /~ D.Don't know
VI. IS IT IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE OR PROTECT ANY OF THE FOLLOWING?
(Check Column A, B or C for each item)
VII. Wt~T
A.Very BoSomewhat C.No
important important opinion
1. Flood plain areas (1)//7
~. Historical sites (2)~--'~?' ~O (2)----~
3° Houses or buildings
of architectural
Open space
6. Wetlands
7. Woodlands (7) /~-
8. Other
KINDS OF PUBLIC RECREATION FACILITIES ARE NEEDED?
//q 1. Bicycle paths
7/2, Fishing
.~/ 3o Marinas
/~4. Nature trails
975 o Park-picnic-
playground
~ 6. Swimming pools
(~ltiple choice)
~' 7. Tennis courts
..$0 8° Town beaches
105 9. Use of school facilities
~10o None of the above
~11o Don't know
12, Other ~Ol~t~lEff~
ND hnsw S
VIII. SIt0ULD THE TOWN ESTABLISH A DEPARTMENT OF PARKS ~D RECREATION TO REPLACE
TIIE PRESENT PARK DISTRICT SYSTEM?
A.Yes ~'~ B.No 80
C.No opinion ~{ D.Don't know
IX. SHOULD TI~ TOWN ADOPT REGULATIONS TO REDUCE EROSION OF FAR~ TOPSOIL BY
ANY OF TIIE FOLLOWING MEASUI~S? (Multiple choice)
~ 1, Crop rotation
I~ 2. Greater use of cover crops
~'~ 3o Greenbelts as buffer zones to connect open spaces
~4. Plant hedgerows
~d 5. None of the above
~O~6. Don't know
07. Other methods Off NT5 ° 27
No A swe - 5
Xo WOULD YOU t~ WILLING TO SEPARATE GLASS, NEWSPAPERS ~ ~T~S ~0Y YOUR
0T~R T~II FOR ~CYCLING?
A.¥es /$Y D.No //
C°No opinion
D.Don't know
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XI. WHAT TRANSPORTATION SERVICES WOULD YOU USE IF 'rtt~ WERE CONVENIENTLY
SCIIEDULI~,n? (Multiple choice)
XII.
~71. Local light-plane airport
i· L.I.R.R. and bus
· Other bus service
_~4. None of the above
// 5o Don*t know
'' 6. Other ~I~T*'5- /~
IN GENERAL, WHAT LOCATION(S) WOULD YOU I~C0MMEND FOR T~ FOLLOWING
CONSTt~CTION? (Check Col~ A and B for each item)
A.New Business B.Light industry
(i) lll (i)
5)lOq
(6)
1. Adjacent to existing business
or industry
2. Along major highways
3, In shopping centers or small
industrial parks
4. Scattered around the Town
5. ~nere there would be least
environmental impact
6. Don't know
7, Other C0~1~ - /~
XlII. SHOULD CLUSTERING OF HOUSES 1~ ENCOURAGED TO PROTECT OPEN SPACE SUCH
AS W00DLAND~ IYATERFRONT AND FARYLAND?
A.Yes ~ B.No ~/J' C,No opinion /2., D.Don't know 7
XI¥, WHAT BEGULATIONS COULD BE ADOPTED TO REDUCE SIt0H.ELINE EROSION?
~D1.
il2.
3! 3o
IO74.
21 8o
Build bulkheads above high tidb line
Build bulkheads at high tide line
Construct jetties or groins
Locate buildings well back from bluffs or shoreline
Plant protective shrubs and dune grass
Replenish beaches with sand
Restrict use of beach vehicles
Don*t know
Other
IV. DO YOU THINK THAT TI~ TOWN SHOULD ENCOURAGE MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THE
LAYOUT OF ROADS, LOTS AND I~ILDINGS TO GAIN MAXIMUM SOLAR ENERGY BENEFITS?
A.¥es [~ B.No ~ C.No opinion 2~ D.Don't know /~
Co e r8 - 8 NSw e$-
XVI. ~IICtI OF THE FOLLOWING AKE NEEDED ALONG OUR SIIORELINE? (multiple choice)
12.2o
/t76.
~,7.
qo S.
Access to fishing areas
Business and conmercial
Marine related commercial
Electric generating plant
Multiple housing
Nature preserves
Industries
Parks and recreation
9o Private docks
10o Public beaches
.~11o Single family homes
12o Limited development in
all categories
13. None of the above
-'--~14o Don't know
15. Other CO~EH~ -
/2.
X~II. SHOULD TI~ PRESENT AGRICULTURAL-RESIDENTIAL ZONING CATEGORY BE SEPARATED
IHT0 AN AGRICULTURAL ZONE AND A RESIDENTIAL ZONE?
CoDon't care /2 D.Don't know
XVXXXo PLEASE ~a~mCX THE PROCEDUI~S YOU THINK W~JLD HELP TO PROTECT OUR
GROUNDWATFJt SUPPLY. (Multiple choice)
~1. Build recharge basins, dry.ells and cisterns
7~ 2, Improve irrigation practices
/03 3, Keep all saltwater wetlands intact
~-4, Large lot zoningl 2 or more acres
/3~ 5, t~aintain woodlands
lliMeter private wells
?, Plant groundcover to reduce lawn areas
Preserve freshwater ponds, lakes and woodlands
Protect watershed and drainage areas
Reduce water consumption
--~11, No opinion
12, Other ~)~P~T~ - 2~'
XIX, WHAT ADDITIONAL PROCEDURES MIGHT ALSO REDUCE POLLUTION IN OUR
GROUNDWATER SUPPLY? (~ultiple choice)
! 1, Build area-wide sewer systems
· Create small wa~er supply di~tricts
· Decrease fertihzer applications
· Modernize old septic systems
~o Routine cleaning of septic tanks and cesspools
~6· Severely restrict new development
/~-2~-~· Strict controls on pesticide types and usage
~78~ Upgrade and expand the Greenport sewage system
~ 9, Use organic and slow-release fertilizers
/~10, Don*t know
11o Other ~0~5 - 2~
XX. HOW MIGHT
~0~ (IN
A WATER SUPPLY FOR OUR TOWN BE OBTAINED IF THE YEASURES LISTED
QUESTIONS XVIII A~D XIX) ARE INSUFFICIENT? (~ultiple choice)
~/1. Build a major public water supply in the Town
70 2. Desalinate sea water or brackish water
~[ 3· Purchase public water supply from outside of the Town
__5 4, Recycle used water after treatment
· Don't know
6. Other ~NT-S ~ 2'2.
XXI. DO YOU THINK THAT ALL UNITS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD MEET TOGETHER MOBE
FREQUENTLY TO EXCIIANGE IDEAS RELATING TO PRESENT AND FUTURE PLANNING?
AoYes /~5-' BoNo // C·No opinion /~ D·Don't know /~
XXIIo YOUR ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON ~HAT YOU LIKE MOST ABOUT THE TOWN OF SOUTHOLD
AT PRESENT AND ON TOPICS RELATING TO THE FUTURE OF THE TOWN ARE WELC0~Eo
SURVE~SI~NSE BY CO~NITY
Mailed out * Received
F. Island 19 ~
Orient 55 16 29%
E.Marion ~O 7 17%
Greenport 187 - 1 30 16%
Southold 272 - 8 60 23%
Peconic 31- 2 14 ~8%
Cutchogue 159 - 6 33 21%
N. Suffolk 21 3 14%
Mattituck 230- 5 ~1 18%
Laurel 21 - ~ 2 23%
1035 ~ ,j
· TOWM-WIBE
Returned RESPONSE
by P.O. - 26 20.7%
1009
SUBMI'I~£ED BY THE SURVET CO~[I'rl'~.~:
L.W.V.R.S.
Shirley Bachrach
Frank Bear
Marie Johnson
Jean Tiedke
Lydia Tortora
December 2, 1981
Mt. Supervisor, Mr. QShA~npsrs~,Membens of the Commission,
?fiends of the Town of Southold:
I am Roger Bancroft, Fas~ President of the Peconic Bay
Estates Property Owners Association, Inc. Mr. Nicholas
Calrnes, President is in New York City because of the serious
illness of an immediate family member. He has asked me to
represent him and the Association Board of Directors.
We are here to appeal the present proposed zoning of the
area from Kerwin Blvd. east past Pipe's Neck Road, an area in-
cluded in our direct interest. The proposed change is to Bi, a
catchall letter which will include Heavy Industry. We want this
area to retain its present Light Business designation. This is our
general concern.
A specific and immediately involved concern involves the
North Fork Welding Co. This company was able to obtain a temporary
variance from Light Business to Light Industry. The following
statements refer to both general and specific concerns, not in-
cidentally we feel sincerely that a concerned incorporated asso-
ciation,representing some 120 families might well have been con-
sulted before such major changes were proposed.
is
/. By its very historicity this part of Rt. 25/ the gateway to
Greenport and the true East End, an erstwhile very beautiful
part of the world. Once this was uncluttered landscape neigh-
boring on Pipe's Creek and Cove, occupied by two school houses.
Due to past negligent zoning, the area just west of Kerwin Blvd.
has already been despoiled by a lumber company and a blacktop
factory. Th~s "grandfather clause" inevitability should not
be used as a justification for additional m~stakes. To the ~]%en~
possible this area sho~id be -preserved from any further depr6~tton.
2. No matter how disguised by fencing, projected buildings, etc.
a Welding Factory is an eyesore.
3. Mr. Fred Schoenstein, a partner, has admitted that his factory
should not be located where it is now, that it should be off the
main highway. Within the past few months, North Fork Welding Co.
has attempted to move, 1st to the former Ballan Ford Showroom and
then to a location in the former shipbuilding area. Rather than
· ~
acqumessng to a socalled inevitability perhaps the Planning Comm-
ittee could assist in relocation activities for such companies.
4. This area in recent times has been given a Light Business
designation. An exception, a temporary variance, for Light
Industry, was given to the North Fork Welding Co, allowing normal
welding within a two employee business.
blatantly and admittedly as an illegal,
employees, manufacturing floating docks,
The Company is operating now
heavy industry, with five
repairing heavy trucks
and trailers and the like. It is an illegal eyesore and our membership
wo~ld prefer that the owners find a new location.
5. Our Associatoon is strictly a residential area on Rt. 25.
There are 4 homes west and 2 homes east of this particular business.
There is considerable evidence that even the initial variance was
improper. One resident bought one of the old school houses and
fashioned it into a retirement home, this, when the area was Zoned
Light Business; now they are threatened with a Heavy Industry next
door.
6. Another COnsistent history of such happenings says.that
~ecrease-~
property value, as heavy industry moves in.
?. Rt. 25 is adjactent to a large wetlands area. some of
the most precious and scarce land in the world. It makes no sense
to have a heavy industrial compound impinge on this view. '
Studies of the Town of Southold have shown that Tourism is our
largest industry. A cluttered entrance to an increasingly
beautiful village is illogical as well as unnecessary. We too
believe that Article 22 should be restored to the Zoning Code.
It is our understanding that the Tov,~ of ~outho!d ?:ill
i~m~inently be ' ~ - '
lnvo=w~_~ in a ±a'~ult against the owners of the
property east of our Association area, on the north side o~ Rt.
25, east of the Lutheran Church. This is another, perhaps even
more flagrant violation of the Zoning law. We hope that our
appeal will be given similar attention.
The membership of the Peconic Bay Estates Property Owners
Association urge you most sincerely and most logically to assist
us in preserving what could and should be a most plctuesque
area of our town.
Mr. Supervisor,
Members of
the Board
My name is Christopher Kelley. I am a member of
the law firm Twomey, Latham, Shea & Kelley. I am here
on behalf of Henry weismann and Frank Flynn who live on
Tarpon Drive in Southold. My clients are deeply
concerned about the proposed zoning for the Conkling
Point area of Southold. In particular, the proposed
marine business site.
My clients have had an analysis of the proposed
zoning as it relates to the Conkling Point area prepared
by Frederick Reuter, an experienced land use planning
consultant. We submit copies of his analysis at this
time.
I must preface my remarks by stating that at the
time our analysis was prepared reference was made to the
Young's Marina site as being slated for Marine Business
which at that time included motels as a special
exception use. Since that time, that special exception
use has been deleted from the proposed code and
according to the Town planner's comments on the
Southport DEIS, the Planning Board has now recommended
Marine-Recreation for the site and the applicant has
agreed to comply with that district. Because of the
similarities between the old Marine Business and New
Marine Recreation zones, Mr. Reuter's analysis is still
totally on point.
As Mr. Reuter points out in his comments, the
master plan update background studies show that the
Conkling Point area is an environmentally sensitive
area. The area is characterized by soils with a high
water table and low permeability, with severe septic
fields and home-site limitations and with poor drainage
features. The area in general is also characterized by
low density residential and open space land uses. As
the Natural Resourse Inventory Map contained in the
background studies shows,
scheduled for the Young's
island with the embayment
the marine business site
Marina site is essentially an
to the west, freshwater
wetlands across Sage Boulevard to the north and a
canal-like inlet to the east. The Conkling Point
Peninsula also has title marshes in three locations
including on the embayment, perimeter beaches and in
forest areas. The importance of these title and
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freshwater wetlands is highlighted in the master plan
background studies on pages 10 & 11 of the Environmental
Inventory. At pages 19 & 20 of that inventory it is
reported that Conkling Point is considered a significant
wildlife habitat. Obviously, any intensive development
of the area could have a significant impact on the
quality of groundwater and on surface water quality in
the adjacent embayment. In addition significant
impacts on the fisheries resource of the embayment and
Southold Bay could
potential impacts
Penny on the DEIS
previously submitted to this
be expected. A discussion of these
is set forth in the comments of Larry
for the Southport Development project
Board.
As the Board knows, the project proposed for this
site is an extremely intensive combination of uses which
are not compatible with the sensitive marine environment
of the site nor with the existing or proposed zoning.
The applicant, Southport Development proposes to expand
the existing marina facility of 91 slips to encompass
121 boat slips and support improvements and to develop
the balance of the site into an approximate 82-unit
motel complex and restaurant facility seating 125
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persons. Our consultant's analysis of the proposed
zoning for this site can be summarized as follows.
Whether the old Marine Business Zone, which allowed
motels by special permit, or the new Marine Recreation
district is to be placed on the Young's Marina site, the
same problems are presented. An expansion of the
existing marina and the addition of a
large motel and restuarant are far in excess of what the
site can handle. Such a reccomendation runs counter to
many of the policies and goals set forth in the master
plan. The master plan states that the Marine Business
category "is generally used for properties that front on
the bays where there is extensive tidal flushing".
Clearly, that is not the case with this site. Although
the master plan specifically makes an exception and
allows this intensive marine use on the Conkling Point
site it does this under the presumption that such zoning
will help "in meeting future water related needs",
(Master Plan pages 12 and 13). However, a closer look
at the numbers indicates that the existing 91 slip
marina at Conkling Point represents very little more
than 1% of the 1800 slips now available in the Town, and
only a very major expansion could raise this percentage
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to a significant share. Such an increase would hardly
be compatible with the scale of the embayment or with
the surrounding environmentally sensitive, low density
residential area.
Likewise, the marine recreation use is designated
in the master plan for sites where "marine-related
water-dependent uses are encouraged at appropriate
locations on or near the coast and/or along creeks and
bays where they do not negatively impact on residential
neighborhoods or the natural environment". It is
submitted that either of these zones, with their wide
variety of commerical uses, are inappropriate for the
Conkling Point area given the surrounding low density
residential and open space character.
Given the sensitivity of the area, the limited
tidal flushing action of this embayment and the fact
that the entire surrounding area is shown in the master
plan as designated
open-space use, it
to force this type
these other less
the master plan,
for low density residential and
would be highly unusual and irregular
of commercial use in the midst of
intense uses. As shown by a review of
all but 10-15 acres of land on the
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Conkling Poing Peninsula are considered either for low
density residence or open space. In contrast, the
proposed Marine Recreation use for the site would allow
by special permit, an indeterminate motel density which
could amount to 11 units per acre.
Conceptually, and in light of the g~als and
purposes of the master plan, it would appear to be in
the Town's best interest to limit uses on waterfront
property to water dependent uses as opposed to water
enhanced uses where there exist such strong
environmental constraints as exist on this property
(i.e., wetlands, limited tidal flushing, poor drainage
surrounding low density residential and open space
areas). Marinas need to be near water, restaurants and
motels simply do not.
In lieu of removing all water enhanced uses from
the Young's Marina site, it is submitted that the Board
should seriously consider changing the zoning of the
Young's Marina site to either the Resort Residential A
or a limited Resort Residential B. If the parcel is
located in the proposed Resort Residential A district
the motel on the site would be limited to a density more
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in keeping with the area. In fact, the purposes stated
in §100-50 of the code regarding the Resort Residential
A district seem to more closely coincide with the nature
of the subject area than those purposes connected with
the Marine Business or Marine Recreation Districts use.
For the Resort Residential A district, the Code states
as its purpose:
The purpose of the Resort Residential A (RR-A)
District is to provide an opportunity for
waterfront resort development in what are
essentially low density residential areas at a
density and character consistent with surrounding
uses.
This district would allow a motel by Special exception
at a density of 1 unit per acre, more in keeping with
the character of the area. To allow the existing
commerical marina to continue in that zone, an
additional special exception use would have to be added
to the Code to allow a commercial marina facility.
Currently the Code only provides for a marina facility
for occupants, clients and guests of the hotel or motel.
Similarly, the restaurant use would be severely limited
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by the regulations for this
the character of this area.
district
in accordance with
As an alternative, a limited Resort Residential B
district might be appropriate for this area inasmuch as
a commerical marina is a specially permitted use in said
district. However, if this were allowed on this
site, we would submit that the density for the motel be
limited to 1-unit per acre as proposed for the Resort
Residence A district, inasmuch as the purposes of this
district include allowing development "consistent with
the density and character of surrounding lanes".
In closing I would just like to read you the
recommendation of Frederick Reuter regarding the
proposed zoning for the subject site.
He states, and I quote as follows:
Read from pages 14-15 of Reuter Report.
RKCO~KNDAT[OM
The proposed Marine Business area injected into the low
density residential Conkling Point peninsula area is not
compatible or appropriate. It sticks out like a "sore-thumbs in
· the context of the findings and planning goals, even though it is
relatively small a~d seems to confirm the much less intense
existing marina, pool and tennis club, and dwelling use.
Further, the Marine Business site proposed cannot produce a
significant benefit to the Town's economy, even if it were
intensively developed. The upland area available and the
embayment surface water area, which must be shared with other
abutling owners, simply do not have the capacity for enough
development, never mind the impact, to achieve such a significant
increase in the economy.
The proposed Marine Business development, if implemented
will have a negative impact on both the low density residential
neighborhood and on the natural environment. In conformance with
the findings of the Background Studies and the planning goals, it
may be noted that the Master Plan Update does not propose any
similarly situated Marine Business sites, even on larger
embayments and estuaries in low density residential
neighborhoods.
It is clear in the context of the Back, round Studies and the
planning goals, on which the proposed Ma~ter Plan Update is
based, that the Coukling Point peninsula is an environmentally
sensitive, low density residential neighborhood. Its future seems
to be assured as a result of current developments trends.
Further, in accordance with the Update's recommendation for
cluster development desirable open spaces are being preserved.
Despite this established low density,residential character,
the Master Plan Update could justify continuance of the existing
marina as set forth in its findings.
It is recommended that the Update eliminate water-enhanced
uses, and intensive commercial water-related marine uses with a
view to maintaining and enhancing the environment and'preserving
the low density, residential character of the Conkling Point
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peninsula. If any water-enhanced uses are to be permitt-ed, they
should be severely restricted with ~eference to their impact and
a clear accounting provided of the land area to be put to such
If we look to the purposes set forth for zoning districts in
the Proposed Zoning Regulations of April 1985,-the nearest
comparable purpose would be that for the Resort Residential A
District. However, it does not anticipate any commercial marina
use, as a result, a restricted Resort Residential B purpose would
seem to be the best recommendation to provide for the
continuation of the existing uses.
Therefore, it is recommended that a land use category be
provided compatible with a restricted Resort Residential B
District purpose with particular emphasis on consistency with the
density and character of surrounding land use and on preservation
enhancement of the environment. Further, it should be applicable
only to the exis[ing marina, pool and tennis club and dwelling
site.
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FRANCIS J. MURPHY
SUPERVISOR
-SOL
MAIN ROAD
$OUTHOLD, L.I., N.Y. 11971
TELEPHONE
(516) 765-1800
(516) 765-1939
SYNOPSIS OF PROPOSED
ZONING ORDINANCE
for
HAMLET MEETINGS
JANUARY & FEBRUARY,
1986
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List of new districts
A-C - Agricultural -Conservation District (Two acre minimum)
R-80 - Residential Low Density District (Two acre minimum)
R-40 - Residential Low Density District (One acre minimum)
R-120 - Residential Low Density District (Three acre minimum)
R-200 - Residential Low Density District (Five acre minimum)
Residentiali, Low Density District (Ten acre minimum)
I'
R-400 -
HD - Hamlet Density Residential District
RR - Resort Residential District
RO - Residential Office District
HB - Hamlet Business District
LB Limited Business District
B-1 General Business District
M-Rec - Marine Recreation District
MB - Marine Business District
LIO -
LI -
Light Industrial Park/Office Park District
Light Industrial District
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Purpose of each District
Agricultural-Conservation A-C District
Low Density Residential R-80~ ~-120~ R-200~ R-400 District~
Section 100-30. Purpose.
The purpose of the Agricultural-Conservation (A-C) District and the
Low Density Residential R-80, R-120, R-200 and R-400 Districts is to
reasonably control, and to the extent possible prevent, the unnecessary
loss of those currently open lands within the Town containing large
and contiguous areas of p~ime agricultural soils which are the basis
for a significant portion/of the Town's economy and those areas with
sensitive environmental features including aquifer recharge areas
and bluffs. In addition these areas provide the open rural environ-
ment so highly valued by year-round residents and those persons
who support the Town of Southold's recreation, resort and second
home economy. The economic , social and aesthetic benefits which
can be obtained for all citizens by limiting loss of such areas
are well documented, and have inspired a host of governmental programs
designed, with varying degrees of success, to achieve this result.
For its part, the Town is expending large sums of money to protect
existing farm acreage. At the same time, the Town has an obligation
to exercise its authority to reasonably regulate the subdivision
and development of this land to further the same purposes, while
honoring the legitimate interests of farmers and other farmland
owners.
Low Density Residential R-40 District
Section 100-30A. Purpose.
The purpose of the Low Density Residential R-40 District is to
provide areas for residential development where existing neighbor-
hood characteristics, water supply and environmental conditions
permit full development densities of approximately one dwelling
per acre and where open space and agricultural preservation are
not predominate objectives.
Hamlet Density Residential (HD) District
Section 100-40. Purpose
The purpose of the Hamlet Density (HD) Residential District is
to (1) permit a mix of housing types and level of residential
density appropriate to the areas in and around the major hamlet
centers, particularly Mattituck, Cutchogue, Southold, Orient and
the Village of Greenport and (2) to promote the provision of lower
cost housing in these hamlet and village areas, where provision
of utilities exists or may be possible and desirable and where
public facilities and commercial activities are available.
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Resort Residential (RR) District
Section 100-50. Purpose.
The purpose of the Resort Residential (RR) District is to provide
opportunity for waterfront resort development in what are essential
low density residential areas at a density and character consistent
with surrounding uses.
Residential Office (RO) District
Section 100-70. Purpose.
To provide a transition area between business areas and low density
residential development along major roads which will provide oppor-
tunity for limited nonresidential uses in essentially residential
areas.
Limited Business (LB) District
Section 100-80. Purpose.
The purpose of the Limited Business District (LB) is to provide
an opportunity to accomodate limited business activity along high-
way corridors, but in areas outside the hamlet central business
areas that is consistent with the rural and historic character
of surrounding areas and uses. Emphasis will be placed on review
of design features so that existing and future uses will not detract
from surrounding uses. The additional uses must generate low
amounts of traffic and be designed to protect the residential
and rural character of the area.
Hamlet Business (HB) District
Section 100-90. Purpose.
The purpose of the Hamlet Business (HB) District is to provide
for business development in the hamlet central business area,
including retail, office and service uses, public and semi-public
uses, as well as hotel and motel and multi-family residential
development that will support and enhance the retail development
and provide a focus for the hamlet area.
General Business (B-I) District
Section 100-100. Purpose.
The purpose of the General Business/Highway Business (B-i) District
is to provide for retail and wholesale commercial development
and limited office and industrial development outside of the hamlet
central business areas, generally along major highways. It is
designated to accomodate uses that benefit from large parcels
o~ land, and that may involve characteristics such as heavy trucking
and noise.
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Marine Recreation (M-Rec) District
Section 100-110. Purpose.
To permit and encourage water-related recreational uses on waterfront
properties that are located on inland waterways or creeks.
Marine Business (MB) District
Section 100-120. Purpose.
To provide a waterfront location for a range of water dependent
and water related uses which are those uses which require or benefit
from direct access to~ or location in marine or tidal waters.
Light Industrial Park/Planned Office Park (LIO) Distric~
Section 100-130. Purpose.
The purpose of the Light Industrial Park/Planned Office Park (LIO)
District is to provide opportunity for the location of business
and professional offices, research facilities, industrial uses
and similar activities in an open, campus-like setting in areas
which are not appropriate for commercial activity or low density
residential development. In this area such uses can be established
in an attractive environment and serve both as a means of preserving
the open qualities of an area and providing an area, adjacent
to hamlet areas where such uses can be appropriately developed
with suitable protection for ground and water surface waters.
All uses must conform to Suffolk County Health Department standards.
Light Industrial (LI) Distr~ct
Section 100-140. Purpose.
The purpose of the Light Office (LI) District is to provide an
opportunity for business and industrial uses on smaller lots than
would be appropriate for the LIO Light Industrial Park/Planned
Office Park District.
The pages to follow are copies of the Table entitled.
Summary of Permitted Uses
Accessory apartment lB existing one-family
delached dwelling
Agriculture (~ncluding accessory buildings)
? - P£P44ITTED
SE - SPECIAL EXCEFrlON [by Planning Board)
SE* - SPECIAL EXCEPTION (by Town Board)
A -ACCSSSOR¥
RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL
SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE
P P P P P P P P P P P p~
SE SE SE SE SE SE
A A A A A A A
SE P P
SE
P P
SE
P P
P P
SE SE SE SE
SE SE SE SE SE
SE P P
A A A A A A
P P
SE SE
P
A A
P
SE
SE SE
SE SE
,llding, electrical or plund31ng contractor's
l/ustness or yard
~lldi~lgs, structures and uses owned or operated
P P P P P P P P P P P P P
P P
A A
SE SE SE SE /- ~--~ SE SE
SE SE SE SE SE SE
P
SE SE SE SE SE SE
SE SE
SE SE SE SE
SE SE
SE SE
SE SE
A A A A A A A
SE
A A
P
SE
A A
SE SE
SE SE
SE
SE
SE
P P
pursuant to ~10~-31C
Gasoline service station, partial self service
SUMMARY OF pEP~IITTED USES BY ZONING DISTRICT
SE SE P
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
SE
SE
P P P P P P P P P P P
A A A A A A A A A A A
SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE
S£
SE
SE SE SE SE SE SE
SE* SE* SE* SE* SE* SE* SE*
SE
A
SE SE
SE SE SE SE
SE SE SE SE
P P
SE
SE SE P
A SE
SE SE
SE* SE*
SE SE
SE* SE* SE*
P P
SE
SE
A
SE SE
SE
SE SE
A A
P
P
SE* SE* SE* SE*
M~tor vehicle, mobile home sales room or ou[door
SE
SE SE SE
SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE
SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE
SE SE P P
P P P P P P P P P P
P P
SE SE SE SE SE Sg SE SE SE
SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE
A A A A A A A A A A
A A A A A A A A A A
A A A A A A A A A A
SE
SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE
A A
A A
A A
SE
SE
P
P
A A
SE SE
A A A
A
SE SE SE SE SE
Recreation facility, fully enclosed, co~ercia!
Recreation facility for use of employees
Repair garage
Repair shop for householdt business, or
personal appliances
Research design or development la~oratory
Restaurant, drive-in, curb service Or fast food
Restaurant (except drive-in)
SE
P P
SE SE SE
S£
P P
P P P P P P P P P P
A A
SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE
SE P P
A A A A A A A A A A A A A
SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE
SE SE
P. P
A
SE
A A A A
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A
SE* SE*
SE SE
SE SE SE SE SE SE P SE SE SE SE
SE SE SE SE SE SE SE
SE
SE SE SE SE SE SE SE SE
SE SE
SE
P
P
SE*
SE
SE
P
SE
P
A
SE SE
P P
SE
SE SE
SE SE
SE
P P